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- She's beautiful.
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She is the first girl
that I ever crushed on.
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But Paula is very off-the-map
sometimes,
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so much, she wouldn't be
on social media at all.
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- Something ain't right.
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- Let's do an image search.
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- There's no way
that she doesn't have
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an Instagram somewhere.
[gasps]
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What if Paula pops in here?
What if it is Paula?
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[chiming]
Oh!
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- I don't know what the hell
is going on.
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- ♪ Hello,
is it you I'm seeing? ♪
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- All right, there he is.
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Dustin.
We've got John and John.
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We're in the soon-to-be
new "Catfish" HQ.
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Cases of COVID are going down,
vaccinations are going up.
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That means Kamie and I
can finally be back together.
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- Here at the office.
About to go in.
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Oh, damn, it's huge in here.
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But where's the [bleep]?
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- All right,
so it's not quite ready,
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but the raw space
has a lot of potential.
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- I agree, but it does look
like we got robbed.
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- I gotta show you
the best part.
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- Oh.
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- Isn't this great?
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- This is the most sunshine
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I think I've felt
all quarantine.
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- All right,
we've got work to do.
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- Wow.
- Right? This is great.
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- The throne.
- Good to be back.
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- So let's dive on in.
We do have an email here.
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"Hey, my name is Aaliyah.
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I'm 23 and recently moved
from California to Tennessee.
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Four years ago, I met
Paula online and we just vibed.
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- ♪ You say all the
right things ♪
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- Paula lived in Seattle,
but her work as a model
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was constantly bringing her
to Los Angeles,
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which wasn't far from
where I lived.
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We quickly started
talking about meeting up
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and I was looking
forward to it.
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As the months passed,
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I realized that I was starting
to develop feelings for Paula.
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I've never been attracted
to a woman before.
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And our relationship heated up.
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Paula and I loved
hyping each other up.
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I could be myself
with no pressure.
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But while we always said
we were going to meet up,
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Paula never called me
whenever she got to L.A."
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Paula no call-a.
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- Holla.
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- ♪ Setting fire
to the roses ♪
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- "About a year ago,
Paula disappeared.
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- ♪ Playing with
your emotions ♪
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- Then her phone number
stopped working.
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This wasn't unusual for her.
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Sometimes she just
shut everything down."
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[slow-motion speech]
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- Are you reading
a children's book, to me?
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- I do read
a lot of children's books.
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- That's what you've been doing
all quarantine.
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- Yeah.
This time, a month passed,
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and then another.
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I tried to find her,
but she'd fully ghosted.
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- ♪ Ignoring
all the warnings ♪
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- She was really gone.
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But a few weeks ago,
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I got a message from someone
claiming to be Paula.
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But before I pick up
where we left off,
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I need more information.
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There is something going on
and it's time for me
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to find out what it is.
Aaliyah."
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- ♪ I'm just a tease ♪
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- Wow. All right, well,
let's send Aaliyah a text.
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- "Hey, Aaliyah.
It's Nev and Kamie.
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We just read your email
and wanna help."
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- Send.
- Paula has literally
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ripped a page out of
the catfisher's handbook.
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She's a model.
- I know.
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She travels for work a lot.
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- She ghosts, she's gone.
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- Disappears, come back.
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- Something ain't right.
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- Oh, wait, she wrote back.
"Okay, I can join now."
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[chimes]
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- Hi.
- Yes. Hi.
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- Hey.
- Hi.
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- I just wanna know,
when you were born,
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how your parents had
the foreshadowing to know
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that you would grow up
to look kind of like Aaliyah.
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- A lot of people say that.
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I think that, just,
they were really big fans,
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so it just kinda
all went together.
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- They're smart.
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- So tell us a little bit
more about you.
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What do you do in Tennessee?
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- I'm currently a car salesman,
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but I'm getting ready
to go back to school.
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- Cool.
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- Okay, what's going on
with Paula?
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- Yeah, this story
is very interesting to us.
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- So I met Paula, like,
almost four years ago.
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We had randomly started
following each other.
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Eventually, we started DMing
and then,
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from there, went to texting
and then phone calls.
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- Tell us more about Paula.
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- Paula's about my age.
She's beautiful.
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When I met her
she was doing modelling.
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- And where does she live now?
- I'm not really sure.
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I just know she doesn't live
in Seattle anymore.
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- So you and Paula were vibing,
as you say,
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but you said it took a while
before it got romantic.
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When did you start feeling
attracted to her?
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- It just kinda slowly
progressed into flirting
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with each other, I guess.
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Then we started acknowledging
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that we were attracted
to each other.
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- Before Paula,
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were you ever attracted
to girls or was she the first?
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- I think I might have already
been attracted to girls.
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I just didn't acknowledge it
until Paula.
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She is kinda, like,
the first girl
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that I ever, like, crushed on.
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That's something me
and her have spoke about.
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We've never dated
a female before.
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We've only ever dated guys.
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When I met Paula,
I was in a relationship.
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Me and her related
on boy problems, too,
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from time to time.
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- And then you guys
started kinda flirting.
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- Mm-hmm.
- What does that mean?
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Like, were you guys
sending pics? Were you--
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- Yes, it got to that point
sometimes.
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- Ooh.
- Ooh.
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- A little Savage Fenty moment.
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- So wait a second.
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So you guys sent
some sexy selfies?
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- Mm-hmm.
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- And what were
the conversations?
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- Um, some of the conversations
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were just a little too explicit
for TV.
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I'm just, like,
a really private person,
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so I don't really...
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- Boo.
We've been in quarantine.
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- It went down in the DM.
I mean, all right.
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- From time to time, yeah.
It went in that direction.
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- And you did also talk
on the phone?
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- Yeah, we did.
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- And then eventually you said
she disappeared.
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- Yeah. Paula is
very off-the-map sometimes.
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Some months she would be
on social media
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and then, for a while,
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she wouldn't be
on social media at all,
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but we would still
be talking on the phone
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and stuff like that.
- Oh, okay.
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- But there would be occasions
where her number would change.
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- Why was her number changing?
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- Honestly, I think
there's certain people
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she just doesn't like
to be able to contact her,
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so she'll just be over it
and be like,
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"Forget it,
I'ma just change my number."
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- But through all that,
you kept up your relationship
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until, one day, she disappeared
from you as well.
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- Yeah.
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- Did you text her and be like,
"Hey, what's up?"
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or, "What's going on?"
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and, like,
she just stopped responding?
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- Mm-hmm.
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- I was hurt.
And then when I texted her,
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the messages started
turning green and I was like,
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"Oh, okay. She changed
her phone number again."
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- I'm sure that must have been
tough for you.
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- Yeah.
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- So then, a year later,
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she just sort of magically
reappeared out of nowhere.
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- Yeah.
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I got a message
from this random account,
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saying like,
"Oh, this is Paula."
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- Does the new account
have her name
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and, like, a picture of her?
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- No.
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- So there is no picture.
No name?
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- No.
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- That's creepy as [bleep],
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because that might
not be Paula, right?
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- I think she just made
the account
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so she could hit me up
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'cause I don't think she had
my phone number either.
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But I know she's really Paula
because we have a mutual friend
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that I reached out to,
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just because I was
a little bit skeptical
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and I was like,
"Do you think this is her?"
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and he was like, "Here,
just take her phone number."
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And, you know, I texted her
and she was like,
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"Yeah, it's me."
I was like, "Okay."
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- Wait a second.
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You have a mutual friend
from the internet?
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- Yeah. His name is Jordan.
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He's somebody we met
in a group chat.
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We both kinda just built,
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like, a internet friendship
with him as well.
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- Why would Jordan have her
new number
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but you didn't have
her new number?
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- Yeah.
I was hurt really, really bad.
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- My eyebrows are raised.
- Yeah.
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- I know it's been a year.
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You don't still have your old
text messages with her, do you?
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- Yeah.
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- So can we see those,
and also her, I guess?
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Do you have any photos, like,
saved of her?
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- Yeah.
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- Okay, she's very pretty.
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- "Doseofpaulaa,"
that was her old page?
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- Yeah.
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- I mean, yeah,
she's a beautiful girl.
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- And then these are just
some of our conversations.
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- You guys talk a lot.
- Wow.
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- Some stuff from 2019.
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- "Baby. I miss you.
Hope all has been well."
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"Aw, I miss you too, baby."
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- "Love me some you."
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- "My girlfriend for life.
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If you ever decide on
the other side, I'm still here.
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- Ooh.
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Spicy.
- Yeah.
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- There's a lot of "I miss you,
I love you, I care about you."
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- Those messages,
coupled with the fact
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that you also sent
sexy selfies,
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suggests, I think, to us, like,
you guys had something real.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- But why would someone ghost
out of a good thing
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unless they're
hiding something?
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- Can you show us
the new account,
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the one that just
reached out to you?
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- This is the random account.
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- They chose that name. Weird.
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- "Hey, girl, it's Paula.
I have a question."
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- Then she just says,
"Hi, love, what's your number?"
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What?
- After a year of nothing--
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- "Bitch, [bleep] you,"
that's what I would say.
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- Well, look, you're obviously
a smart, young woman,
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but there's a lot of red flags.
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How are you still believing
that she might be real?
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- Mm-hmm.
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- I think she is who she says
she is, for sure.
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Our relationship
really meant something to me.
247
00:09:29,436 --> 00:09:32,304
Me and Paula got real close.
And I don't feel like
248
00:09:32,372 --> 00:09:35,574
I'm a person who can get
catfished, if that makes sense.
249
00:09:35,642 --> 00:09:38,410
- Girl.
- To be optimistic.
250
00:09:40,581 --> 00:09:41,980
- Well, we don't know.
251
00:09:42,049 --> 00:09:44,449
- Obviously you do need to know
who this person is,
252
00:09:44,518 --> 00:09:48,019
because there's this very real
connection that you guys made,
253
00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:50,522
and if there's something that
she's been hiding from you--
254
00:09:50,591 --> 00:09:53,024
- Yeah.
It will be nice to know.
255
00:09:53,093 --> 00:09:55,393
- Yeah. All right.
We have her name.
256
00:09:55,462 --> 00:09:57,629
You've got Jordan,
the friend who, I guess,
257
00:09:57,698 --> 00:09:58,997
is still in touch with her,
258
00:09:59,066 --> 00:10:00,865
so we could talk to him
potentially, right?
259
00:10:00,934 --> 00:10:02,233
- Well, I can tell you
260
00:10:02,302 --> 00:10:04,603
I have already spoke to him
a couple times,
261
00:10:04,671 --> 00:10:08,239
and he's just not comfortable
with being put out there.
262
00:10:08,308 --> 00:10:11,142
- Okay.
- We're gonna figure this out.
263
00:10:11,211 --> 00:10:13,078
Whatever you can send us,
we're gonna get to work.
264
00:10:13,146 --> 00:10:14,312
- Okay.
265
00:10:14,381 --> 00:10:16,281
- All right, bye, Aaliyah.
- Bye.
266
00:10:16,350 --> 00:10:17,649
- Bye.
267
00:10:17,718 --> 00:10:20,952
- There's a lot of weird
external factors
268
00:10:21,021 --> 00:10:23,855
that make the whole thing
seem super sus.
269
00:10:23,924 --> 00:10:25,090
- And why doesn't Jordan
want to be involved?
270
00:10:25,158 --> 00:10:27,359
- Right.
- He's a suspect,
271
00:10:27,427 --> 00:10:30,862
but I also feel like there
could just be a girl out there
272
00:10:30,931 --> 00:10:32,831
who wanted to explore
with her sexuality,
273
00:10:32,899 --> 00:10:34,332
and really thought
that Aaliyah's beautiful,
274
00:10:34,401 --> 00:10:36,468
because she is,
and decided to hit her up.
275
00:10:36,536 --> 00:10:38,236
- But she disappears
and changed her number
276
00:10:38,305 --> 00:10:40,372
a bunch of times.
Something's going on with her,
277
00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,540
out of the ordinary,
and I'm worried
278
00:10:42,609 --> 00:10:45,944
that Aaliyah's first girl
crush might crush her.
279
00:10:46,713 --> 00:10:48,747
[rock music]
280
00:10:48,815 --> 00:10:51,650
- So Aaliyah and Paula are both
23 years old,
281
00:10:51,718 --> 00:10:53,284
have now known each other
for four years,
282
00:10:53,353 --> 00:10:57,756
went from being Instagram buds
to borderline girlfriends--
283
00:10:57,824 --> 00:10:59,124
- They were girlfriends.
284
00:10:59,192 --> 00:11:00,425
- I mean they were close.
285
00:11:00,494 --> 00:11:03,194
Talked on the phone,
sent each other naked pictures.
286
00:11:03,263 --> 00:11:05,563
- This is like Aaliyah's
first experience with a girl...
287
00:11:05,632 --> 00:11:07,298
- Right.
- And maybe Paula's.
288
00:11:07,367 --> 00:11:08,500
- Maybe even--yeah.
289
00:11:08,568 --> 00:11:10,568
- That is meaningful.
- Yeah.
290
00:11:10,637 --> 00:11:14,572
But Paula disappeared
a year ago.
291
00:11:14,641 --> 00:11:17,909
Now, out of nowhere,
shows back up
292
00:11:17,978 --> 00:11:20,145
and wants to pick things
right back up.
293
00:11:20,213 --> 00:11:24,149
So before Aaliyah gets
any further into this,
294
00:11:24,217 --> 00:11:28,319
gotta figure out who Paula is,
and we gotta do it now.
295
00:11:28,388 --> 00:11:30,889
- Yes.
296
00:11:30,957 --> 00:11:33,358
- Let's see if she sent us
that email, and she did.
297
00:11:33,427 --> 00:11:34,726
Here you go.
298
00:11:34,795 --> 00:11:36,294
"Hey, guys.
Here's all the info I have.
299
00:11:36,363 --> 00:11:40,131
Paula Guerrero is 22
and lived in Seattle.
300
00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,267
I think she might be
living in Los Angeles now.
301
00:11:42,335 --> 00:11:44,035
The Instagram account
she messaged me
302
00:11:44,104 --> 00:11:47,839
from a few weeks ago
is "randomaccount."
303
00:11:47,908 --> 00:11:50,041
Her phone number is 206--"
304
00:11:50,110 --> 00:11:53,078
I'm not familiar with that.
She's got the phone number of
305
00:11:53,146 --> 00:11:55,180
when they first started
talking, which is also 206.
306
00:11:55,248 --> 00:11:56,147
- Mm-hmm.
307
00:11:56,216 --> 00:11:57,582
- "Good luck
with your searching.
308
00:11:57,651 --> 00:11:58,950
I hope to hear from you soon."
309
00:11:59,019 --> 00:12:00,485
All right,
let's do an image search
310
00:12:00,554 --> 00:12:01,820
for the two pictures
that we have.
311
00:12:01,888 --> 00:12:04,055
- I mean,
the girl is really cute.
312
00:12:04,124 --> 00:12:06,257
Like, there's no way that that
girl doesn't have an Instagram
313
00:12:06,326 --> 00:12:08,493
somewhere with a following.
314
00:12:08,562 --> 00:12:10,495
- You would think.
315
00:12:10,564 --> 00:12:13,531
All right,
here's the first one.
316
00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,533
Okay, so first picture,
nothing.
317
00:12:15,602 --> 00:12:20,338
Let's just do the second
picture 'cause it's all we got.
318
00:12:20,407 --> 00:12:21,906
Nothing.
319
00:12:21,975 --> 00:12:23,975
Let's go to the Instagram page
Aaliyah got a message from
320
00:12:24,044 --> 00:12:26,277
and see if
there's anything there.
321
00:12:27,514 --> 00:12:30,582
So she's following Aaliyah.
322
00:12:30,650 --> 00:12:32,784
I want to see
if she's following Jordan,
323
00:12:32,853 --> 00:12:35,053
the mutual internet friend...
324
00:12:35,122 --> 00:12:36,755
- Mm-hmm.
325
00:12:36,823 --> 00:12:39,657
- Who just happened to also
have Paula's new number.
326
00:12:42,295 --> 00:12:43,962
Here's a Jordan.
327
00:12:44,030 --> 00:12:47,766
Let's see if Jordan is also
following Aaliyah on Instagram.
328
00:12:49,903 --> 00:12:52,437
There he is.
This could be Jordan.
329
00:12:52,506 --> 00:12:53,605
There's a connection there.
330
00:12:53,673 --> 00:12:55,340
There's something going on
with Jordan.
331
00:12:55,408 --> 00:12:57,542
- He's involved, for sure.
332
00:12:57,611 --> 00:12:59,544
Technically,
if we reached out to him,
333
00:12:59,613 --> 00:13:03,148
she didn't put us in contact.
We just stumbled upon him.
334
00:13:03,216 --> 00:13:04,415
- Yeah, I mean, look,
if we could just--
335
00:13:04,484 --> 00:13:06,117
If he doesn't want to do it,
he'll say no.
336
00:13:06,186 --> 00:13:07,385
- It's not our fault
we found him.
337
00:13:07,454 --> 00:13:08,920
- Yeah.
338
00:13:08,989 --> 00:13:10,522
- We're just really
[bleep] good at what we do.
339
00:13:10,590 --> 00:13:12,357
- Right. That's true.
340
00:13:12,425 --> 00:13:14,559
"Hey, Jordan. It's Nev from
the TV show 'Catfish.'
341
00:13:14,628 --> 00:13:15,827
We're making an episode now
342
00:13:15,896 --> 00:13:17,629
and wanted to ask you
a quick question."
343
00:13:17,697 --> 00:13:20,298
All right, sent.
344
00:13:20,367 --> 00:13:22,867
All right,
let's run the phone numbers.
345
00:13:27,174 --> 00:13:30,775
All right, the old number
comes back with nothing.
346
00:13:30,844 --> 00:13:33,178
Let's see about
this new number.
347
00:13:34,548 --> 00:13:37,482
Oh. Oh, okay.
Here we go.
348
00:13:37,551 --> 00:13:40,118
- Karina [bleep]. Wow.
349
00:13:40,187 --> 00:13:42,520
- Interesting.
So that's something.
350
00:13:42,589 --> 00:13:44,055
- Oh, she's from Seattle.
- Yes.
351
00:13:44,124 --> 00:13:47,592
And this is a new number.
I mean, less than a year.
352
00:13:47,661 --> 00:13:48,893
- So who is Karina?
353
00:13:48,962 --> 00:13:51,596
- Shall we look up
Karina [bleep]?
354
00:13:51,665 --> 00:13:54,232
I mean, Karina [bleep].
355
00:13:56,436 --> 00:13:59,103
All right. Here's one
that lives in New York.
356
00:14:00,473 --> 00:14:03,474
Surprisingly there are
a lot of people with that name.
357
00:14:03,543 --> 00:14:08,346
But let's do the search
and let's do the city, Seattle.
358
00:14:09,883 --> 00:14:14,752
Nothing.
So who is Karina [bleep]?
359
00:14:14,821 --> 00:14:19,290
All right, well, look. I mean,
we can always just call Paula.
360
00:14:19,359 --> 00:14:21,392
If she answers--
- Which she won't do.
361
00:14:21,461 --> 00:14:23,528
- Well, let's have a plan
because I don't want
362
00:14:23,597 --> 00:14:25,096
to get that awkward moment
as the phone's ringing
363
00:14:25,165 --> 00:14:26,431
where I go like,
"What do I say?"
364
00:14:26,499 --> 00:14:28,800
- That's your fault.
You just get trigger-happy.
365
00:14:28,869 --> 00:14:30,101
I don't know.
366
00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:31,636
- I think the best policy
is just honesty.
367
00:14:31,705 --> 00:14:33,271
"Hey, Paula, it's so nice
to talk to you."
368
00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:35,039
- I don't think
you should say "Paula."
369
00:14:35,108 --> 00:14:36,708
I think you should say
you're calling for Karina.
370
00:14:36,776 --> 00:14:38,643
- Oh.
371
00:14:38,712 --> 00:14:41,312
Oh.
And see what she says.
372
00:14:43,884 --> 00:14:47,151
[line ringing]
373
00:14:48,288 --> 00:14:49,787
- Hello.
- Yes.
374
00:14:49,856 --> 00:14:51,756
Hi, I'm looking for Karina.
375
00:14:51,825 --> 00:14:54,759
- Um, who is this?
376
00:14:56,663 --> 00:14:57,996
- Hung up.
- God damn it, Nev!
377
00:14:58,064 --> 00:14:59,264
- Well, that's not a no.
378
00:14:59,332 --> 00:15:00,765
- What?
- What am I supposed to say?
379
00:15:00,834 --> 00:15:02,066
- No!
380
00:15:02,135 --> 00:15:03,201
- I can't give it away
at that point.
381
00:15:03,270 --> 00:15:04,869
- You can't hang up the phone!
382
00:15:04,938 --> 00:15:06,237
You're supposed to come up
with something.
383
00:15:06,306 --> 00:15:08,139
- I wasn't--
- Jesus Christ.
384
00:15:08,208 --> 00:15:10,308
- I wasn't prepared to come up
with a whole [bleep] character.
385
00:15:10,377 --> 00:15:12,076
- Hey.
- You should just call back.
386
00:15:12,145 --> 00:15:13,378
I'd be curious to see
if she answers and say like,
387
00:15:13,446 --> 00:15:15,780
"My partner's an idiot."
388
00:15:15,849 --> 00:15:18,283
[line ringing]
389
00:15:18,351 --> 00:15:20,218
- Hello.
390
00:15:20,287 --> 00:15:24,188
- Hi. Okay, I don't know--
I don't know who this is.
391
00:15:24,257 --> 00:15:27,759
My name is Kamie. We're from
the show "Catfish" on MTV.
392
00:15:27,827 --> 00:15:28,960
I'm not sure if you've seen it.
393
00:15:29,029 --> 00:15:31,796
- What the heck?
- Yes.
394
00:15:31,865 --> 00:15:33,798
- So, I mean, I--
[end call tone beeping]
395
00:15:33,867 --> 00:15:35,366
- Oh.
- Oh.
396
00:15:35,435 --> 00:15:36,634
I--
397
00:15:36,703 --> 00:15:40,738
♪ ♪
398
00:15:40,807 --> 00:15:44,108
Well, why would she hang up?
If "Catfish" is calling me
399
00:15:44,177 --> 00:15:47,145
and I know I'm innocent,
I'm gonna be like, "Oh."
400
00:15:47,213 --> 00:15:49,180
- Right.
Let's just send a text,
401
00:15:49,249 --> 00:15:52,317
and let's just explain
the deal.
402
00:15:52,385 --> 00:15:54,652
"Hey. This is Nev..."
- "And Kamie."
403
00:15:54,721 --> 00:15:57,388
- "And Kamie, from 'Catfish.'
404
00:15:57,457 --> 00:16:00,058
We would love to talk
405
00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:03,361
about a relationship
we're investigating right now."
406
00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:04,929
- Perfect.
407
00:16:04,998 --> 00:16:06,931
- So let's see
if she responds to our text.
408
00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,466
Let's see if Jordan
gets back to us,
409
00:16:08,535 --> 00:16:10,301
and hopefully in the morning
we'll have some new information
410
00:16:10,370 --> 00:16:13,171
before we go back to Aaliyah
and give her the update.
411
00:16:13,239 --> 00:16:16,607
The good news is, the number
that Aaliyah has for Paula...
412
00:16:16,676 --> 00:16:17,775
- Mm-hmm.
413
00:16:17,844 --> 00:16:19,410
- Was answered by a woman.
- Mm-hmm.
414
00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:23,181
- So any possibility that
it was Jordan,
415
00:16:23,249 --> 00:16:24,782
unless, of course,
Jordan happens
416
00:16:24,851 --> 00:16:26,217
to be sitting with Paula
right now
417
00:16:26,286 --> 00:16:28,519
and, like, "here--"
I don't think so.
418
00:16:28,588 --> 00:16:31,823
I don't necessarily think
that her name is Paula.
419
00:16:31,891 --> 00:16:33,458
It could be Karina,
which is why maybe
420
00:16:33,526 --> 00:16:35,226
she didn't say yes or no,
but, like...
421
00:16:35,295 --> 00:16:36,561
- Mm-hmm.
422
00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:37,862
- She's not wrong to be like,
"Who's calling?"
423
00:16:37,931 --> 00:16:39,964
- Yeah, but she's using
that phone number
424
00:16:40,033 --> 00:16:41,499
to talk to people
that she is catfishing.
425
00:16:41,568 --> 00:16:43,101
- Right. That's true.
426
00:16:43,169 --> 00:16:44,335
- And we don't know how
many people she's talking to.
427
00:16:44,404 --> 00:16:45,837
- Well, that might be
her phone number
428
00:16:45,905 --> 00:16:46,771
that's just
for her catfishing too.
429
00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,306
- True.
430
00:16:48,375 --> 00:16:49,841
- But there's definitely
something weird about Paula.
431
00:16:49,909 --> 00:16:51,576
- If her name's even Paula.
432
00:16:51,644 --> 00:16:53,611
We don't even know
who we're hunting now.
433
00:16:54,881 --> 00:16:58,049
- Good morning.
434
00:16:58,118 --> 00:17:00,051
Clink, clink, cheers.
435
00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,854
- So I haven't heard anything
back from Paula or Jordan
436
00:17:02,922 --> 00:17:04,455
since we reached out
to them yesterday.
437
00:17:04,524 --> 00:17:06,591
Let's just see
if anything even came back.
438
00:17:06,659 --> 00:17:07,725
- Oh, God.
- No.
439
00:17:07,794 --> 00:17:09,727
Okay, so no response
from Paula.
440
00:17:09,796 --> 00:17:11,562
And...
441
00:17:11,631 --> 00:17:14,999
we have a response
from Jordan--no.
442
00:17:15,068 --> 00:17:16,267
- Jordan didn't get back to us,
443
00:17:16,336 --> 00:17:17,702
but maybe he got back
to Aaliyah,
444
00:17:17,771 --> 00:17:19,237
and probably cussed her out.
445
00:17:19,305 --> 00:17:22,407
- I'll text Aaliyah.
"Jump back in the Zoom."
446
00:17:22,475 --> 00:17:24,208
- [imitates chime]
447
00:17:24,277 --> 00:17:25,743
Bing-boo.
448
00:17:25,812 --> 00:17:27,512
[chiming]
449
00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:29,981
- Hey, girl.
- Hi.
450
00:17:30,050 --> 00:17:32,183
- Any update?
Have you heard anything?
451
00:17:32,252 --> 00:17:33,451
- No.
452
00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,486
- Well, we're gonna fill
you in on everything.
453
00:17:35,555 --> 00:17:37,288
- Let's just go through
what we did yesterday,
454
00:17:37,357 --> 00:17:39,090
so you're up to speed
with where we're at.
455
00:17:39,159 --> 00:17:40,391
- Okay.
456
00:17:40,460 --> 00:17:42,193
- So you had her new
Instagram account, obviously,
457
00:17:42,262 --> 00:17:43,795
which is what
we're looking at here,
458
00:17:43,863 --> 00:17:46,764
which has very,
well, nothing really on it.
459
00:17:46,833 --> 00:17:48,499
Even though you said
460
00:17:48,568 --> 00:17:51,069
that Jordan would prefer
to stay out of this...
461
00:17:51,137 --> 00:17:52,270
- Mm-hmm.
462
00:17:52,338 --> 00:17:54,238
- We were curious if we could
at least find out
463
00:17:54,307 --> 00:17:56,374
who this guy is and do
a little research about him.
464
00:17:56,443 --> 00:17:57,575
- Mm-hmm.
465
00:17:57,644 --> 00:17:59,677
- And we looked to see
who is following Paula.
466
00:17:59,746 --> 00:18:03,714
We saw there was someone
named Jordan.
467
00:18:03,783 --> 00:18:06,617
- Yeah,
that's my friend Jordan.
468
00:18:06,686 --> 00:18:08,119
- And we just thought maybe,
469
00:18:08,188 --> 00:18:09,654
even though he said
he didn't wanna talk,
470
00:18:09,722 --> 00:18:13,024
maybe he would want to talk,
so we sent him a message.
471
00:18:13,093 --> 00:18:14,192
"Love to talk to you."
472
00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:16,260
And we still haven't
heard from him.
473
00:18:16,329 --> 00:18:18,162
So then we ran
the phone numbers.
474
00:18:18,231 --> 00:18:20,031
The old one didn't come up
with any information
475
00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:21,466
that we could find,
476
00:18:21,534 --> 00:18:27,004
but the new phone number shows
a Karina [bleep].
477
00:18:27,073 --> 00:18:29,707
We're just curious if you knew
anyone named Karina.
478
00:18:29,776 --> 00:18:31,209
- No.
479
00:18:31,277 --> 00:18:32,610
- Okay, well, we had--
You know, we wanted to show it
480
00:18:32,679 --> 00:18:36,514
to you just in case
it jogged your memory.
481
00:18:36,583 --> 00:18:38,483
So we think it's pretty
likely you're talking
482
00:18:38,551 --> 00:18:41,385
to a girl named Karina.
Not Paula.
483
00:18:41,454 --> 00:18:45,356
- Aaliyah, you're so chill.
I can't, I can't understand.
484
00:18:47,727 --> 00:18:50,128
- I'm always chillin'. Sorry.
485
00:18:51,231 --> 00:18:53,064
- So we did some Facebook
searching.
486
00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:54,699
There are a lot
of Karina [bleep].
487
00:18:54,767 --> 00:18:56,167
Like, it could be--
488
00:18:56,236 --> 00:18:57,935
It could mean everything,
it could be nothing.
489
00:18:58,004 --> 00:18:59,470
It doesn't help us a lot.
490
00:18:59,539 --> 00:19:01,038
- Yeah.
491
00:19:01,107 --> 00:19:02,874
- At this point we were like,
"Okay, well,
492
00:19:02,942 --> 00:19:05,009
there's always a chance
that the person
493
00:19:05,078 --> 00:19:07,145
you're talking to isn't Paula,
494
00:19:07,213 --> 00:19:08,746
and those aren't pictures
of her.
495
00:19:08,815 --> 00:19:10,214
- Mm-hmm.
496
00:19:10,283 --> 00:19:12,450
- And maybe the real person's
name is Karina.
497
00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:13,718
We just kind of didn't
498
00:19:13,786 --> 00:19:17,221
find anything that felt
like a promising lead.
499
00:19:17,290 --> 00:19:19,056
So at that point,
we made a decision.
500
00:19:19,125 --> 00:19:22,393
We were like,
"Okay, look, let's call Paula.
501
00:19:22,462 --> 00:19:26,130
So I called and I said,
"Hey, I'm looking for Karina,"
502
00:19:26,199 --> 00:19:28,232
just to see what she would say.
503
00:19:28,301 --> 00:19:29,267
- Okay.
504
00:19:29,335 --> 00:19:31,469
- And she was like,
"Who is this?"
505
00:19:31,538 --> 00:19:34,071
And I kinda just froze
and I think I just hung up.
506
00:19:34,140 --> 00:19:35,940
- Yes.
- Right.
507
00:19:36,009 --> 00:19:37,408
And then I thought
Kamie should call--
508
00:19:37,477 --> 00:19:38,509
- I called back.
509
00:19:38,578 --> 00:19:39,877
- And so Kamie called
and she was like,
510
00:19:39,946 --> 00:19:41,879
"Hey, here's what's up."
And at that point...
511
00:19:41,948 --> 00:19:43,548
- She was like,
"What the heck?"
512
00:19:43,616 --> 00:19:45,716
and she hung up the phone.
513
00:19:45,785 --> 00:19:47,451
- Oh.
514
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,687
- What's crazy to me is that
you haven't heard from her.
515
00:19:49,756 --> 00:19:51,022
- No.
- We didn't mention you.
516
00:19:51,090 --> 00:19:53,391
We'd never said "Aaliyah"
intentionally.
517
00:19:53,459 --> 00:19:55,660
- No, we didn't.
On purpose because we figured,
518
00:19:55,728 --> 00:19:57,929
who knows how many people
that she's talking to?
519
00:19:57,997 --> 00:19:59,964
But we ended up
messaging her again.
520
00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:02,900
- We texted her and just said,
"Hey, I'm sorry about that.
521
00:20:02,969 --> 00:20:04,468
We'd love to talk to you
about a relationship
522
00:20:04,537 --> 00:20:07,205
we're investigating right now."
But she never responded.
523
00:20:07,273 --> 00:20:09,407
So the ball is in her court.
524
00:20:09,475 --> 00:20:10,508
- Okay.
525
00:20:10,577 --> 00:20:12,310
- She knows
that we're on to her.
526
00:20:12,378 --> 00:20:14,045
- We gotta figure out
what we wanna do.
527
00:20:14,113 --> 00:20:17,281
- Yeah.
- Wait, we got a text?
528
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:18,783
- Yes.
- Who is this?
529
00:20:18,851 --> 00:20:20,818
- "Hi, Nev. I heard
you were trying to find Paula.
530
00:20:20,887 --> 00:20:22,220
I have some information
531
00:20:22,288 --> 00:20:25,022
that I think is important
for you to hear."
532
00:20:25,091 --> 00:20:29,293
- Who is that?
Who even has this number?
533
00:20:29,362 --> 00:20:31,062
- But how did they know
we're trying to find Paula?
534
00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:34,498
We never said Paula's name
to Karina yesterday.
535
00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:35,800
Let's look up the number.
536
00:20:35,868 --> 00:20:37,134
- Yeah, let's look up
the number.
537
00:20:37,203 --> 00:20:41,439
- It's getting interesting.
538
00:20:41,507 --> 00:20:43,174
- "Lanna?"
539
00:20:43,243 --> 00:20:44,442
- Lanna Hooper.
540
00:20:44,510 --> 00:20:46,677
- Do you know a Lanna?
- No.
541
00:20:46,746 --> 00:20:47,745
- Who is that?
542
00:20:47,814 --> 00:20:49,847
- It says Seattle.
543
00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:51,649
- Let's do a little
Facebook search.
544
00:20:51,718 --> 00:20:53,951
- "Lanna Hooper."
545
00:20:55,054 --> 00:20:57,088
- Here's Seattle, Washington.
546
00:20:58,358 --> 00:21:00,858
- This person doesn't look
familiar to you, right?
547
00:21:00,927 --> 00:21:03,194
- Mm-mm.
- Wait, who's that?
548
00:21:03,263 --> 00:21:07,698
- That's Paula.
- [gasps]
549
00:21:07,767 --> 00:21:09,834
Lanna is her mom, maybe?
550
00:21:09,902 --> 00:21:11,369
- Boom.
551
00:21:11,437 --> 00:21:13,971
- It could be her mom
or her aunt or a cousin
552
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,840
but definitely a family member.
553
00:21:15,908 --> 00:21:17,174
"I love my family."
554
00:21:17,243 --> 00:21:18,376
- This is the girl
in the pictures.
555
00:21:18,444 --> 00:21:19,810
That's definitely her, right?
556
00:21:19,879 --> 00:21:21,245
- That's definitely Paula.
557
00:21:21,314 --> 00:21:22,713
- And that looks like Lanna
next to her.
558
00:21:22,782 --> 00:21:23,948
- Maybe.
559
00:21:24,017 --> 00:21:25,283
- We should just respond
to this person.
560
00:21:25,351 --> 00:21:28,953
Maybe the text
we got just came from her.
561
00:21:29,022 --> 00:21:33,724
"Hey.
Yes, we are looking for Paula."
562
00:21:33,793 --> 00:21:38,729
- "Can you jump into Zoom?"
- "Can you come in a Zoom?"
563
00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:41,599
- What the hell is going on?
I don't know.
564
00:21:41,668 --> 00:21:45,269
- Someone, obviously connected
to the girl in the pictures,
565
00:21:45,338 --> 00:21:47,138
found out
we were investigating.
566
00:21:47,206 --> 00:21:48,406
- She said,
"Yeah, that's fine."
567
00:21:48,474 --> 00:21:49,807
Or they said.
- Oh, my God.
568
00:21:49,876 --> 00:21:51,342
- 'Cause no shade, Aaliyah,
569
00:21:51,411 --> 00:21:53,844
I did not think that this was
ever gonna come back
570
00:21:53,913 --> 00:21:55,246
to that girl in the pictures.
571
00:21:55,315 --> 00:21:57,181
I thought that she was
out of this completely,
572
00:21:57,250 --> 00:21:59,850
but now she's fully back in.
573
00:21:59,919 --> 00:22:01,819
- I don't think
she's a catfish.
574
00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:03,788
- But what if Paula is real?
575
00:22:03,856 --> 00:22:06,490
- I'ma keep saying she's real.
I think she's real.
576
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:10,328
- What if Paula pops in here?
What if it is Paula?
577
00:22:10,396 --> 00:22:11,696
- Okay, they're gonna join.
578
00:22:11,764 --> 00:22:13,798
Oh, boy, well,
we're about to find out.
579
00:22:13,866 --> 00:22:15,232
[dramatic music]
580
00:22:15,301 --> 00:22:16,500
[chimes]
- Oh.
581
00:22:16,569 --> 00:22:18,002
- Oh!
582
00:22:19,872 --> 00:22:21,405
- What if Paula pops in here?
What if it is Paula?
583
00:22:21,474 --> 00:22:23,307
- Well,
we're about to find out.
584
00:22:23,376 --> 00:22:26,711
[dramatic music]
585
00:22:26,779 --> 00:22:27,745
[chimes]
586
00:22:27,814 --> 00:22:30,581
- Oh!
587
00:22:30,650 --> 00:22:33,784
- Hi, boo.
- Hi.
588
00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:35,186
- Hey.
589
00:22:35,254 --> 00:22:37,321
- Hi.
- Hello.
590
00:22:37,390 --> 00:22:39,390
- I told y'all she was real.
591
00:22:39,459 --> 00:22:41,125
[laughs]
592
00:22:41,194 --> 00:22:44,995
- I'm not Paula.
593
00:22:45,064 --> 00:22:46,464
- You're not Paula?
594
00:22:46,532 --> 00:22:47,832
- No.
595
00:22:49,635 --> 00:22:52,069
- Okay, we're very confused.
596
00:22:52,138 --> 00:22:55,172
Can--What do--Please explain.
597
00:22:55,241 --> 00:22:57,241
- My name's Nayonni.
598
00:22:57,310 --> 00:22:59,210
I am the girl in the pictures.
599
00:22:59,278 --> 00:23:00,778
However, I am not Paula.
600
00:23:00,847 --> 00:23:03,681
I'm not the one who's been
running the accounts.
601
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:05,883
Paula actually
reached out to me
602
00:23:05,952 --> 00:23:07,752
and told me you guys
reached out to her,
603
00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:09,620
and she got a little frantic.
604
00:23:09,689 --> 00:23:12,923
She asked if I would come
and share the story
605
00:23:12,992 --> 00:23:15,493
as to how we all got here.
And--
606
00:23:15,561 --> 00:23:16,794
- Wait. Okay, so hold on.
607
00:23:16,863 --> 00:23:21,632
So after we spoke
to Paula yesterday,
608
00:23:21,701 --> 00:23:23,667
she reached out to you.
609
00:23:23,736 --> 00:23:26,904
Did you know that there was
a fake account of you?
610
00:23:26,973 --> 00:23:28,038
- Yes.
611
00:23:28,107 --> 00:23:29,440
- Wait. What?
612
00:23:29,509 --> 00:23:32,643
- So basically, in 2016,
613
00:23:32,712 --> 00:23:35,679
somebody reached out
to me through DM,
614
00:23:35,748 --> 00:23:38,749
informing me that there were
several fake accounts,
615
00:23:38,818 --> 00:23:40,951
depicting me to be somebody
that I'm not.
616
00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:42,653
- Okay.
617
00:23:42,722 --> 00:23:45,756
- I couldn't see them myself
due to me being blocked,
618
00:23:45,825 --> 00:23:47,625
and these people
who reached out to me
619
00:23:47,693 --> 00:23:48,893
were friends of the girl
620
00:23:48,961 --> 00:23:51,929
who was catfishing
with the pictures.
621
00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:55,933
They gave me a phone number
to reach out to,
622
00:23:56,002 --> 00:23:57,802
and I confronted her
about what was going on,
623
00:23:57,870 --> 00:24:01,439
and I asked her
to take the accounts down.
624
00:24:01,507 --> 00:24:03,374
I asked her
why she was doing it,
625
00:24:03,443 --> 00:24:08,279
and basically she was going
through a lot in her life,
626
00:24:08,347 --> 00:24:12,149
and this was her outlet
to feel like she was somebody.
627
00:24:12,218 --> 00:24:14,652
- And what--is her name
actually Paula?
628
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,756
- No.
- What is her name?
629
00:24:18,825 --> 00:24:21,225
- What the hell is going on?
630
00:24:21,294 --> 00:24:23,093
- Her name is Rayven.
631
00:24:23,162 --> 00:24:25,162
- Rayven?
- Yes.
632
00:24:25,231 --> 00:24:26,464
- And did you assume,
633
00:24:26,532 --> 00:24:28,365
after that conversation,
that she would stop?
634
00:24:28,434 --> 00:24:34,104
- Yeah. I really felt like
I got through to her that time.
635
00:24:34,173 --> 00:24:38,108
However, it's been seven years
that this has been going on.
636
00:24:38,177 --> 00:24:39,910
- Seven years?
637
00:24:39,979 --> 00:24:43,848
- Yeah, since I was 14.
I'm 22 now.
638
00:24:43,916 --> 00:24:46,350
Every time an account
would come up,
639
00:24:46,419 --> 00:24:48,752
I found a method
to contact Instagram
640
00:24:48,821 --> 00:24:51,222
and give them my ID, and they
would just take it down,
641
00:24:51,290 --> 00:24:52,857
but it would be down.
642
00:24:52,925 --> 00:24:56,727
And then, obviously, a new one
would just pop right back up.
643
00:24:56,796 --> 00:25:00,331
- Aaliyah has been talking to
who she thought was you
644
00:25:00,399 --> 00:25:02,533
for four years now,
645
00:25:02,602 --> 00:25:06,470
and, you know, it started off
646
00:25:06,539 --> 00:25:09,139
to be just a friendship
647
00:25:09,208 --> 00:25:12,910
and then turned more
on a romantic level.
648
00:25:12,979 --> 00:25:16,514
- And here we are on "Catfish."
649
00:25:18,050 --> 00:25:19,950
- Wait, let's just clear
something up, so--
650
00:25:20,019 --> 00:25:21,585
All right, so wait a second.
651
00:25:21,654 --> 00:25:24,088
Okay, so, look, she should be
the one doing this. Not you.
652
00:25:24,156 --> 00:25:25,189
- Right.
653
00:25:25,258 --> 00:25:26,757
- It's so unfair of her
to not only do
654
00:25:26,826 --> 00:25:29,727
what she's been doing to you
but then to ask you to--
655
00:25:29,795 --> 00:25:31,562
- To come forth
and speak for her.
656
00:25:31,631 --> 00:25:34,064
- Right.
- Right. I wanna see Rayven.
657
00:25:34,133 --> 00:25:36,700
- I'd be willing to reach out
to her and see what she says.
658
00:25:36,769 --> 00:25:38,135
- Call her, text her, whatever.
659
00:25:38,204 --> 00:25:40,070
Explain that we're eager
to talk to her
660
00:25:40,139 --> 00:25:42,973
and give her an opportunity to
sort of explain herself and...
661
00:25:44,176 --> 00:25:45,743
- And then you could send her
the Zoom link.
662
00:25:45,811 --> 00:25:48,178
- Okay.
- I don't know.
663
00:25:48,247 --> 00:25:50,814
I don't know what the hell
is going on right now.
664
00:25:50,883 --> 00:25:52,016
- All right.
- Talk later.
665
00:25:52,084 --> 00:25:53,317
- Thanks, Nayonni.
We'll see you soon.
666
00:25:53,386 --> 00:25:54,885
- Later.
667
00:25:57,056 --> 00:25:58,856
- Girl.
668
00:25:58,925 --> 00:26:01,258
- What the hell is going on?
669
00:26:01,327 --> 00:26:03,294
I don't know. I don't do this.
670
00:26:03,362 --> 00:26:06,330
- So you really don't Nayonni
is telling the truth?
671
00:26:06,399 --> 00:26:07,498
Why do you think that?
672
00:26:07,567 --> 00:26:08,899
- But I just feel like,
673
00:26:08,968 --> 00:26:11,068
this isn't how
this was supposed to go.
674
00:26:11,137 --> 00:26:14,705
- What do you mean this was not
how it was supposed to go?
675
00:26:14,774 --> 00:26:16,840
- I don't know
what's happening right now.
676
00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:18,909
- Well, look, either way,
I still think it's important
677
00:26:18,978 --> 00:26:21,312
that we do talk to Rayven,
678
00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:23,647
if there even is a Rayven.
679
00:26:23,716 --> 00:26:25,749
[chimes]
- Nayonni just texted us.
680
00:26:25,818 --> 00:26:27,618
- She has spoken to Rayven.
681
00:26:27,687 --> 00:26:30,487
"Does the Zoom link
you sent still work?"
682
00:26:30,556 --> 00:26:31,922
- "Yes, it does.
683
00:26:31,991 --> 00:26:34,792
We are in the Zoom now,
so join anytime."
684
00:26:34,860 --> 00:26:37,161
- Okay, so Nayonni is sending
the Zoom link to Rayven.
685
00:26:37,229 --> 00:26:39,463
She could pop in at any minute.
Get ready.
686
00:26:39,532 --> 00:26:42,666
- At this point, I don't even
know what's going on.
687
00:26:42,735 --> 00:26:45,202
All of this is weird.
688
00:26:45,271 --> 00:26:48,772
I'm just weirded out
right now, so--
689
00:26:48,841 --> 00:26:51,809
[dramatic music]
690
00:26:51,877 --> 00:26:55,145
♪ ♪
691
00:26:55,214 --> 00:26:57,247
[chimes]
692
00:26:57,316 --> 00:27:00,017
♪ ♪
693
00:27:00,086 --> 00:27:02,820
- Are you Rayven?
- Hi, yeah.
694
00:27:02,888 --> 00:27:04,154
- Hi, Rayven.
- Hi.
695
00:27:04,223 --> 00:27:07,091
- How you doing?
- I'm good, how are you?
696
00:27:07,159 --> 00:27:11,261
- Good. We're all kind of just
catching up
697
00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:13,230
and finding a lot
of new information
698
00:27:13,299 --> 00:27:14,865
and just wanted
to give you a chance
699
00:27:14,934 --> 00:27:17,935
to kind of introduce yourself
and then tell the story
700
00:27:18,004 --> 00:27:20,638
however you feel
best reflects the truth.
701
00:27:20,706 --> 00:27:25,242
- Okay. My name is Rayven.
I'm from Seattle,
702
00:27:25,311 --> 00:27:29,146
which is how I originally
came across Nayonni's pictures.
703
00:27:29,215 --> 00:27:32,182
There was multiple accounts.
A lot of them got deleted.
704
00:27:32,251 --> 00:27:33,884
The most people
that I've talked to, like,
705
00:27:33,953 --> 00:27:37,021
on the accounts would be Paula.
706
00:27:37,089 --> 00:27:39,890
- And how many people
were you talking to?
707
00:27:39,959 --> 00:27:42,059
- I was talking to a lot of
people,
708
00:27:42,128 --> 00:27:45,329
like, 800 people, altogether.
709
00:27:45,398 --> 00:27:48,966
- What?
710
00:27:49,035 --> 00:27:53,370
- I'm kinda confused
right now 'cause--
711
00:27:53,439 --> 00:27:55,439
Yeah, I'm confused.
712
00:27:55,508 --> 00:27:59,710
- I started to see that,
when I was someone else,
713
00:27:59,779 --> 00:28:04,048
I was getting more attention
than I was as me.
714
00:28:04,116 --> 00:28:08,385
And so I started
to go with that.
715
00:28:08,454 --> 00:28:10,287
I know that this sounds crazy,
716
00:28:10,356 --> 00:28:14,324
but, like, it was literally
like an addiction.
717
00:28:16,295 --> 00:28:20,364
Sometimes what I would do
is create mutual friends
718
00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:23,333
so that people would think
that it was a real account,
719
00:28:23,402 --> 00:28:25,736
this person knew people
in real life.
720
00:28:25,805 --> 00:28:29,840
I was behind the Jordan account
721
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:32,376
that Aaliyah had
reached out to.
722
00:28:34,947 --> 00:28:36,914
First of all, I'm sorry.
I really did like you.
723
00:28:36,982 --> 00:28:38,649
I think that you're
a really good person.
724
00:28:38,718 --> 00:28:42,586
I've always thought that you
were a very beautiful person.
725
00:28:42,655 --> 00:28:44,288
All I want to do is come clean
726
00:28:44,356 --> 00:28:45,723
and come forward
with the truth.
727
00:28:45,791 --> 00:28:46,990
- Yeah.
728
00:28:47,059 --> 00:28:48,726
- And I think
that you deserve that.
729
00:28:48,794 --> 00:28:49,960
- Go ahead if you have
something
730
00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:51,428
you want to say, Aaliyah.
731
00:28:51,497 --> 00:28:53,630
- Well, I just wanted to talk
to y'all two
732
00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:55,499
without her present.
733
00:28:55,568 --> 00:28:58,235
- Like, just us?
- Yeah.
734
00:28:58,304 --> 00:29:01,138
- Sure. I mean, if that's okay
with you, Rayven?
735
00:29:01,207 --> 00:29:03,240
- Aaliyah, we'll check in
with you for a minute.
736
00:29:03,309 --> 00:29:05,142
Rayven,
we'll bring you back on,
737
00:29:05,211 --> 00:29:07,444
and we can finish
the conversation.
738
00:29:07,513 --> 00:29:08,879
- Okay, sounds good.
739
00:29:08,948 --> 00:29:10,647
- Okay. So I just--
740
00:29:10,716 --> 00:29:13,617
I only want to talk to two
right now real quick,
741
00:29:13,686 --> 00:29:16,353
so we can get some stuff
out the way.
742
00:29:16,422 --> 00:29:19,990
This girl is sitting here,
continuing to lie.
743
00:29:20,059 --> 00:29:21,492
Everything I've told you guys
is the truth about me
744
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,394
and Paula's relationship.
We've never Facetimed.
745
00:29:24,463 --> 00:29:26,430
We have been talking
for that period of time.
746
00:29:26,499 --> 00:29:27,898
Everything is real.
747
00:29:27,967 --> 00:29:32,736
But the reason why I'm so blown
out of the water and confused,
748
00:29:32,805 --> 00:29:36,740
the reason I did believe Paula
was the girl in the pictures
749
00:29:36,809 --> 00:29:39,510
is because Paula,
she hit me up.
750
00:29:39,578 --> 00:29:42,479
She still had me convinced
she was a real person.
751
00:29:42,548 --> 00:29:43,847
She was like,
752
00:29:43,916 --> 00:29:45,449
"Let's meet on this TV show."
753
00:29:45,518 --> 00:29:46,450
- What?
754
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:48,252
- It was gonna be like
a I see you,
755
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,754
you see me, it's a happy
ending type episode.
756
00:29:50,823 --> 00:29:52,422
- Whoa.
757
00:29:52,491 --> 00:29:54,992
- That's why it's weird now,
and it's scaring me.
758
00:29:56,796 --> 00:29:57,928
- Basically,
everything I've told you guys
759
00:29:57,997 --> 00:29:58,796
is the truth about me and
Paula's relationship.
760
00:29:58,864 --> 00:30:00,197
We've never Facetimed.
761
00:30:00,266 --> 00:30:01,999
We have been talking
for that period of time.
762
00:30:02,067 --> 00:30:05,169
Everything is real.
But Paula, she hit me up.
763
00:30:05,237 --> 00:30:07,571
It was like,
"Let's meet on this TV show."
764
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,673
It was gonna be like
a I see you,
765
00:30:09,742 --> 00:30:12,142
you see me, it's a happy
ending type episode.
766
00:30:12,211 --> 00:30:13,811
- Whoa.
767
00:30:13,879 --> 00:30:17,548
- That's why it's weird now,
and it's scaring me.
768
00:30:17,616 --> 00:30:20,617
I was down because
I really believed
769
00:30:20,686 --> 00:30:21,985
Paula was a real person.
770
00:30:22,054 --> 00:30:23,921
That's why, when she popped up
on the screen,
771
00:30:23,989 --> 00:30:26,857
I really thought that she
just changed our whole story
772
00:30:26,926 --> 00:30:28,492
and was going her own direction
with it,
773
00:30:28,561 --> 00:30:29,760
and it was making me mad.
774
00:30:29,829 --> 00:30:31,829
- When Nayonni came on?
- Yes.
775
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,367
- Wait, did you--but did you
already know who Rayven was?
776
00:30:37,436 --> 00:30:38,936
- No.
777
00:30:39,004 --> 00:30:40,070
- She thought she was
meeting Paula, genuinely.
778
00:30:40,139 --> 00:30:42,739
- Paula.
- That's why she was so sure.
779
00:30:42,808 --> 00:30:44,541
- Yeah.
- Because Paula told her.
780
00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:46,310
Like, "It's gonna be a good--
781
00:30:46,378 --> 00:30:47,744
It's gonna be a happy ending,
so it doesn't really matter..."
782
00:30:47,813 --> 00:30:49,012
- Oh, my God.
- "But it will be good."
783
00:30:49,081 --> 00:30:54,284
- So Rayven,
in a unbelievably selfish
784
00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:58,088
and, also, additionally,
like, deceptive move...
785
00:30:58,157 --> 00:30:59,456
- Twisted.
786
00:30:59,525 --> 00:31:00,924
- Convinced you to write in,
787
00:31:00,993 --> 00:31:03,760
and tricks you
into coming on the show
788
00:31:03,829 --> 00:31:05,229
by telling you
that it was just really her
789
00:31:05,297 --> 00:31:07,064
and that you guys
were gonna have a happy ending.
790
00:31:07,132 --> 00:31:08,432
- Yeah.
791
00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:10,334
- So she came up with this
whole plan and you said yes
792
00:31:10,402 --> 00:31:12,436
because you thought
it was really just Paula.
793
00:31:12,504 --> 00:31:15,305
But actually the girl
in the pictures was Nayonni.
794
00:31:17,977 --> 00:31:19,109
Wow.
795
00:31:19,178 --> 00:31:20,677
- She had me convinced
she was a real person
796
00:31:20,746 --> 00:31:22,179
when we were doing this.
797
00:31:22,248 --> 00:31:23,247
- Wow.
798
00:31:23,315 --> 00:31:27,684
- So I genuinely assumed
that she was real.
799
00:31:27,753 --> 00:31:30,087
That's why this is
all weirding me out.
800
00:31:30,155 --> 00:31:32,189
Like, when the real Paula...
801
00:31:32,258 --> 00:31:33,590
- Right, Nayonni.
802
00:31:33,659 --> 00:31:36,493
- Came on the screen,
that's why I was thrown off
803
00:31:36,562 --> 00:31:38,128
because I thought that
804
00:31:38,197 --> 00:31:42,132
she was coming up with a whole
other storyline by herself.
805
00:31:42,201 --> 00:31:43,667
- When she said, I'm not Paula,
806
00:31:43,736 --> 00:31:45,469
and you're like,
"What the [bleep]."
807
00:31:45,537 --> 00:31:48,438
- Yes, it threw me off
'cause I'm like, "That's--"
808
00:31:48,507 --> 00:31:50,073
But they sound just alike.
809
00:31:50,142 --> 00:31:51,275
- Yeah.
- Her and this girl.
810
00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:53,043
- Yeah, they do sound
very similar.
811
00:31:53,112 --> 00:31:55,879
- I guess that's how girls
talk in Washington.
812
00:31:55,948 --> 00:31:57,147
I don't know.
813
00:31:57,216 --> 00:31:59,383
- But now that
you've heard Rayven,
814
00:31:59,451 --> 00:32:00,951
you're sure that was
815
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:02,552
the voice you've been
talking to this whole time?
816
00:32:02,621 --> 00:32:04,187
- Yeah. That's definitely her.
817
00:32:04,256 --> 00:32:05,756
This is why
I'm telling you this.
818
00:32:05,824 --> 00:32:07,958
- Right, right.
- Because it's weird now.
819
00:32:08,027 --> 00:32:09,726
- She's definitely not coming
on the show
820
00:32:09,795 --> 00:32:11,395
to tell you the truth
and come clean
821
00:32:11,463 --> 00:32:12,796
and, like, do the right thing.
822
00:32:12,865 --> 00:32:14,631
She lied to you to get you
and her on the show.
823
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:16,199
- Yeah.
824
00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:20,103
- And then she lied to us
and you right now on the show
825
00:32:20,172 --> 00:32:22,372
while she's supposed
to be changing her life
826
00:32:22,441 --> 00:32:25,442
and making good decisions to,
like, be a better person.
827
00:32:25,511 --> 00:32:27,911
- Like, I'm really, really bad.
828
00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:29,746
Like, this was not
supposed to happen.
829
00:32:29,815 --> 00:32:31,949
- And she [bleep] made it seem
like
830
00:32:32,017 --> 00:32:33,650
you were actually coming on
to finally meet her...
831
00:32:33,719 --> 00:32:35,185
- Right.
832
00:32:35,254 --> 00:32:36,954
- Which is what you've been
wanting this whole time.
833
00:32:37,022 --> 00:32:39,990
That is [bleep] crazy.
834
00:32:40,059 --> 00:32:41,258
- This is how I really am,
835
00:32:41,327 --> 00:32:43,827
so she has me
looking dumb on TV,
836
00:32:43,896 --> 00:32:46,229
and it's messing
with my anxiety right now.
837
00:32:46,298 --> 00:32:48,732
Like, I'm really not feeling
this at all.
838
00:32:48,801 --> 00:32:51,001
Like, it's weird.
839
00:32:51,070 --> 00:32:54,271
- The thing that obviously
bothers me is we take
840
00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:57,007
this job very seriously.
We're trying to help people,
841
00:32:57,076 --> 00:33:00,143
and it's just not okay
what you did either, Aaliyah.
842
00:33:00,212 --> 00:33:04,047
I mean, it's messed up on your
end that you lied to us,
843
00:33:04,116 --> 00:33:06,583
not giving us all
the information to help you.
844
00:33:06,652 --> 00:33:07,751
It's pretty messed up.
845
00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:09,786
- No, I do wanna
apologize though.
846
00:33:09,855 --> 00:33:11,188
When the plan was told to me,
847
00:33:11,256 --> 00:33:12,956
it was something super-simple,
quick,
848
00:33:13,025 --> 00:33:15,292
and it wasn't really
a lie on my end, so I was like,
849
00:33:15,361 --> 00:33:17,627
"Okay, that's fine."
Because she was Paula, like,
850
00:33:17,696 --> 00:33:20,797
she was still acting like Paula
this whole time with me.
851
00:33:20,866 --> 00:33:22,399
- She [bleep].
She catfished you.
852
00:33:22,468 --> 00:33:24,701
She [bleep] played you out.
That's what she did.
853
00:33:24,770 --> 00:33:26,103
- Yeah.
854
00:33:26,171 --> 00:33:27,437
- And though it's messed up
what you did,
855
00:33:27,506 --> 00:33:29,639
you genuinely believed
that you were gonna be able
856
00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:33,043
to finally meet this person,
by any means necessary.
857
00:33:33,112 --> 00:33:36,179
And although, it's not
something that we encourage,
858
00:33:36,248 --> 00:33:37,214
I understand it.
859
00:33:37,282 --> 00:33:38,915
- Right.
- But she is a manipulator.
860
00:33:38,984 --> 00:33:41,084
She's been doing this
since she was a teenager.
861
00:33:41,153 --> 00:33:43,687
- The worst part is, like,
she even thought
862
00:33:43,756 --> 00:33:45,989
that she could play you
like that,
863
00:33:46,058 --> 00:33:48,225
play the show,
and then get Nayonni...
864
00:33:48,293 --> 00:33:49,526
- Mm-hmm.
865
00:33:49,595 --> 00:33:50,594
- The girl she's been
playing the longest...
866
00:33:50,662 --> 00:33:51,862
- Mm-hmm.
867
00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:53,497
- To do her dirty work...
- Mm-hmm.
868
00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:56,566
- And tell her story,
so she wouldn't even have to.
869
00:33:56,635 --> 00:33:58,335
Obviously, we need
She coto call out Rayven. back.
870
00:33:58,404 --> 00:33:59,636
- Obviously.
871
00:33:59,705 --> 00:34:01,204
- 'Cause I'm not gonna let her
get away with...
872
00:34:01,273 --> 00:34:03,240
- I wanna be messy about it.
- Taking both--
873
00:34:03,308 --> 00:34:05,142
I mean, forget what
she's done to you now.
874
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:07,344
It's personal.
I mean, now she's playing us
875
00:34:07,413 --> 00:34:10,447
and I'm not about
to let that happen on my show.
876
00:34:10,516 --> 00:34:12,549
So I think we should
bring her back in.
877
00:34:15,354 --> 00:34:20,090
And we'll just confront her
and then say our goodbyes.
878
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:21,691
Here she comes.
879
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,261
- But who wants to start?
- Me.
880
00:34:26,698 --> 00:34:28,465
- Okay, we're all back.
881
00:34:28,534 --> 00:34:31,401
- Aaliyah, the floor is yours.
882
00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:33,703
- Okay.
883
00:34:33,772 --> 00:34:38,875
So I blew up our spot,
so we are exposed.
884
00:34:38,944 --> 00:34:43,013
I told them me and you have
spoke behind the scenes.
885
00:34:43,082 --> 00:34:46,016
I wouldn't have done this had
I known that you were not gonna
886
00:34:46,085 --> 00:34:49,920
end up being the person
you swore you were.
887
00:34:49,988 --> 00:34:52,022
You almost got the other girl
cussed out
888
00:34:52,091 --> 00:34:54,791
because I thought
that she was Paula coming up
889
00:34:54,860 --> 00:34:57,494
with a new plan out of nowhere
and not telling me.
890
00:34:57,563 --> 00:34:59,162
So she was about
to get cussed out,
891
00:34:59,231 --> 00:35:00,664
but then I had to think
about it, like,
892
00:35:00,732 --> 00:35:02,599
"Maybe that's
really not Paula."
893
00:35:02,668 --> 00:35:04,501
I'm weirded out by all this.
894
00:35:04,570 --> 00:35:07,170
Still kinda disappointed
in myself that I even thought
895
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,705
that this was a good idea to do
896
00:35:08,774 --> 00:35:10,941
'cause now I'm on TV,
looking stupid.
897
00:35:11,009 --> 00:35:13,777
So I'm trying to, like,
just keep my composure
898
00:35:13,846 --> 00:35:15,412
'cause we're on TV.
899
00:35:15,481 --> 00:35:17,714
I don't want to say something
I can't take back.
900
00:35:17,783 --> 00:35:19,483
But after three
and a half years of mine,
901
00:35:19,551 --> 00:35:21,384
you're not gonna get
a friendship from me.
902
00:35:21,453 --> 00:35:26,223
I'ma just say that now.
So that's it.
903
00:35:26,291 --> 00:35:28,358
- Okay. I understand.
904
00:35:28,427 --> 00:35:30,861
If I was put in your position,
I'd be the same way.
905
00:35:30,929 --> 00:35:33,196
I'm not trying
to embarrass anybody.
906
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:37,501
- But I'm not trying to,
and nor was that my intention.
907
00:35:37,569 --> 00:35:41,371
- You were deceiving Aaliyah
behind the scenes into thinking
908
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,241
that she was actually
going to meet the real Paula.
909
00:35:44,309 --> 00:35:46,910
That is how you were able
to get here
910
00:35:46,979 --> 00:35:49,713
to this point right now
and get on our show.
911
00:35:49,781 --> 00:35:51,448
And why even want
to get on the show?
912
00:35:51,517 --> 00:35:54,351
- So I'm coming up here now
to set the record straight
913
00:35:54,419 --> 00:35:55,719
and to come clean.
914
00:35:55,787 --> 00:35:57,921
I'm sure a lot of people
are gonna see this.
915
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:59,890
I'm sure a lot of people
are gonna know of
916
00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:01,558
the real person
behind the pictures,
917
00:36:01,627 --> 00:36:03,093
and that's why I'm here.
918
00:36:03,162 --> 00:36:04,794
- But you didn't need
to do this to come clean.
919
00:36:04,863 --> 00:36:07,430
You could've just stopped lying
and told people the truth.
920
00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:10,066
- Well, I didn't have any more
of my accounts.
921
00:36:10,135 --> 00:36:12,102
I'm sure as, you know,
you may know, like,
922
00:36:12,171 --> 00:36:14,971
my accounts have been deleted
by Instagram.
923
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,873
So I didn't have the chance
because I was gonna go on
924
00:36:16,942 --> 00:36:20,177
Instagram Live
with Nayonni at one point,
925
00:36:20,245 --> 00:36:23,046
and tell everybody that Paula
was not a real person.
926
00:36:23,115 --> 00:36:24,848
- But I don't believe that
for a second.
927
00:36:24,917 --> 00:36:26,616
- But I could've easily--
- No.
928
00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:28,018
You would have kept doing that.
929
00:36:28,086 --> 00:36:29,686
You would've kept using
the accounts
930
00:36:29,755 --> 00:36:31,121
if they hadn't been shut down.
931
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:33,190
You got called multiple times
by Nayonni...
932
00:36:33,258 --> 00:36:34,324
- Right.
933
00:36:34,393 --> 00:36:36,059
- Asking you to stop.
And you didn't.
934
00:36:36,128 --> 00:36:37,928
And the only reason
you may have slowed down
935
00:36:37,996 --> 00:36:40,964
was because Instagram did,
thankfully, do their job
936
00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:42,465
and take down
the multiple accounts
937
00:36:42,534 --> 00:36:43,934
that you've continued to make.
938
00:36:44,002 --> 00:36:45,502
One would get shut down,
you'd make a new one.
939
00:36:45,571 --> 00:36:47,804
So don't tell me the only
reason you decided to stop
940
00:36:47,873 --> 00:36:49,839
was because you couldn't get
on your account
941
00:36:49,908 --> 00:36:51,274
and do a Facebook Live.
942
00:36:51,343 --> 00:36:54,177
- I didn't think that this was
the only way to stop.
943
00:36:54,246 --> 00:36:55,779
You're kind of attacking me
in a way,
944
00:36:55,847 --> 00:36:57,247
and I don't like that.
945
00:36:57,316 --> 00:37:00,083
I've tried to stop
and it's not easy for me.
946
00:37:00,152 --> 00:37:01,952
I understand that I've hurt
a lot of people.
947
00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:04,421
I understand that.
948
00:37:04,489 --> 00:37:07,190
I was young, I'm still young,
and I'm still learning.
949
00:37:07,259 --> 00:37:09,459
You don't know what I struggle
with every day.
950
00:37:09,528 --> 00:37:10,961
Yes, I'm a [bleep] up person.
951
00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:13,096
Yes, I've done [bleeped] up
things to people.
952
00:37:13,165 --> 00:37:15,966
And I've had a lot of [bleep]
up things done to me too.
953
00:37:16,034 --> 00:37:18,501
So, like, don't attack me.
Like, don't do that.
954
00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:20,337
- I don't think that
it's an attack.
955
00:37:20,405 --> 00:37:23,506
What I think is happening
is it's hard to hear somebody,
956
00:37:23,575 --> 00:37:24,708
plain and simple,
957
00:37:24,776 --> 00:37:26,309
tell you exactly
what the [bleep] it is
958
00:37:26,378 --> 00:37:28,178
that has been going on
and what you have been doing,
959
00:37:28,247 --> 00:37:30,413
because sometimes
when you're in it,
960
00:37:30,482 --> 00:37:32,482
it's hard to see the reality
of the situation.
961
00:37:32,551 --> 00:37:33,950
- Exactly.
962
00:37:34,019 --> 00:37:35,352
- No one is negating
what you've been through.
963
00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:37,754
Nayonni told us
you've been through a lot,
964
00:37:37,823 --> 00:37:39,456
and everyone understands that.
965
00:37:39,524 --> 00:37:42,559
And I think it would be even
more easy to empathize with you
966
00:37:42,628 --> 00:37:45,962
if we did not know
the behind-the-scenes.
967
00:37:46,031 --> 00:37:48,698
That is where things
take a turn for us.
968
00:37:48,767 --> 00:37:50,033
Our job is to help people,
969
00:37:50,102 --> 00:37:51,701
but when you are behind
the scenes
970
00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:57,207
actively and maliciously trying
to make some [bleep] pop,
971
00:37:57,276 --> 00:37:58,575
we have to call you out
on that.
972
00:37:58,644 --> 00:38:01,578
- Right.
973
00:38:01,647 --> 00:38:03,046
- This is, like,
a real addiction
974
00:38:03,115 --> 00:38:04,748
and a real issue for me.
975
00:38:04,816 --> 00:38:08,084
So the way that I might've
went about it to come--
976
00:38:08,153 --> 00:38:09,719
To be on here
and to come on here
977
00:38:09,788 --> 00:38:11,955
might have been, like,
[bleep] up.
978
00:38:12,024 --> 00:38:13,590
But I'm still here.
979
00:38:13,659 --> 00:38:15,659
We want for you to be able
to put these pages behind you
980
00:38:15,727 --> 00:38:17,827
and move forward,
but in order to move forward,
981
00:38:17,896 --> 00:38:22,198
we have to acknowledge
how we even got to this point.
982
00:38:22,267 --> 00:38:25,602
- I think that this was wrong,
you know, as far as, like,
983
00:38:25,671 --> 00:38:29,539
you know, me keeping
in contact with Aaliyah
984
00:38:29,608 --> 00:38:32,542
and, you know, portraying that
I'm still this person,
985
00:38:32,611 --> 00:38:34,878
but in all honesty,
I did like Aaliyah.
986
00:38:34,946 --> 00:38:36,346
Like, there was a connection
from me.
987
00:38:36,415 --> 00:38:38,715
Like, it's not like
that was fake.
988
00:38:38,784 --> 00:38:40,050
I'm sorry that I put you
989
00:38:40,118 --> 00:38:41,651
in this position
in the first place.
990
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:43,753
I think that I could've
told you in a different way,
991
00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:45,221
most definitely,
992
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:46,823
rather than leading you
to believe something else.
993
00:38:46,892 --> 00:38:50,427
That was a dick move,
and I'm really sorry for that.
994
00:38:50,495 --> 00:38:52,462
And I'm really sorry
for everything.
995
00:38:52,531 --> 00:38:54,297
You shared a lot of personal
information with me
996
00:38:54,366 --> 00:38:58,435
not only in your life,
but your body,
997
00:38:58,503 --> 00:39:02,172
and that's not okay
to do to anybody.
998
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,009
- The nude pictures
that you got from Aaliyah,
999
00:39:06,078 --> 00:39:08,945
where are those pictures now?
1000
00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:10,513
- As the accounts got deleted,
1001
00:39:10,582 --> 00:39:13,450
those pictures also got deleted
with the accounts.
1002
00:39:13,518 --> 00:39:17,087
And, yeah, I'm really sorry
for that.
1003
00:39:17,155 --> 00:39:20,056
Nobody deserves that.
1004
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:28,264
- It's not that I don't accept
your apology or nothing.
1005
00:39:28,333 --> 00:39:31,468
I'm just, like, I'm kinda ready
for all of this to be over.
1006
00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:35,038
- So that's the big question.
Is this all over?
1007
00:39:35,107 --> 00:39:38,675
Are you ready to say
1008
00:39:38,744 --> 00:39:40,977
you won't use fake profiles,
1009
00:39:41,046 --> 00:39:44,781
you won't speak to anyone,
and just be you?
1010
00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:49,252
- I would say that I'm done
with the fake accounts.
1011
00:39:49,321 --> 00:39:52,655
I'm sorry, Aaliyah,
for everything that I've done.
1012
00:39:52,724 --> 00:39:55,825
- ♪ Should be locked
behind bars ♪
1013
00:39:55,894 --> 00:40:01,264
- We wish you the best and hope
that this is the end.
1014
00:40:01,333 --> 00:40:02,499
- Yeah.
1015
00:40:02,567 --> 00:40:04,167
- It's been way too long,
I think we all agree,
1016
00:40:04,236 --> 00:40:05,668
so I'm glad this is over.
1017
00:40:05,737 --> 00:40:06,936
- Bye, guys.
1018
00:40:07,005 --> 00:40:08,071
- Good luck with everything.
1019
00:40:08,140 --> 00:40:09,172
- Bye, thank you for coming.
1020
00:40:09,241 --> 00:40:10,673
- Thank you for having me.
1021
00:40:10,742 --> 00:40:13,042
- All right, well, look.
She's out of your life.
1022
00:40:13,111 --> 00:40:15,345
- Yeah, this is a weird day.
1023
00:40:15,414 --> 00:40:18,448
- Sorry for the craziness,
but you also provided some.
1024
00:40:18,517 --> 00:40:21,351
- Yeah. Don't dig yourself
a hole like that in the future.
1025
00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:23,186
- Yeah, 'cause this
was way too much.
1026
00:40:23,255 --> 00:40:24,821
This was extra.
1027
00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:26,756
- All right, all right.
It was great meeting you.
1028
00:40:26,825 --> 00:40:29,359
- It was nice meeting you guys.
- Bye, Aaliyah.
1029
00:40:29,428 --> 00:40:31,628
- Goodbye, guys.
- Bye.
1030
00:40:34,699 --> 00:40:40,537
- ♪ Funny how danger
keeps me coming ♪
1031
00:40:40,605 --> 00:40:44,274
♪ Funny how I crash
but keep on longing ♪
1032
00:40:44,342 --> 00:40:47,277
♪ Can I grow up? ♪
1033
00:40:47,345 --> 00:40:49,345
♪ Can I grow up? ♪
1034
00:40:52,517 --> 00:40:53,950
- For two years, Naiji
has been talking to Ciana,
1035
00:40:54,019 --> 00:40:55,585
who may not even be real.
1036
00:40:55,654 --> 00:40:57,320
- She just really, like,
bring out this vibe,
1037
00:40:57,389 --> 00:40:59,022
like that you wanna
be around her.
1038
00:40:59,090 --> 00:41:01,157
- Let's look up
the phone number.
1039
00:41:01,226 --> 00:41:03,293
Wow. Zero.
- That's suspicious.
1040
00:41:03,361 --> 00:41:06,062
- I feel like I'm getting like
used or played,
1041
00:41:06,131 --> 00:41:07,697
and I hate that feeling.
[chimes]
1042
00:41:07,766 --> 00:41:10,033
- Oh.
- Oh, [bleep].