1 00:00:03,104 --> 00:00:04,403 - She's beautiful. 2 00:00:04,472 --> 00:00:06,672 She is the first girl that I ever crushed on. 3 00:00:06,741 --> 00:00:09,475 But Paula is very off-the-map sometimes, 4 00:00:09,543 --> 00:00:11,610 so much, she wouldn't be on social media at all. 5 00:00:11,679 --> 00:00:12,878 - Something ain't right. 6 00:00:12,947 --> 00:00:14,246 - Let's do an image search. 7 00:00:14,315 --> 00:00:15,347 - There's no way that she doesn't have 8 00:00:15,416 --> 00:00:17,683 an Instagram somewhere. [gasps] 9 00:00:17,752 --> 00:00:20,152 What if Paula pops in here? What if it is Paula? 10 00:00:20,221 --> 00:00:22,388 [chiming] Oh! 11 00:00:22,456 --> 00:00:24,590 - I don't know what the hell is going on. 12 00:00:26,961 --> 00:00:31,263 - ♪ Hello, is it you I'm seeing? ♪ 13 00:00:31,332 --> 00:00:33,032 - All right, there he is. 14 00:00:33,100 --> 00:00:35,701 Dustin. We've got John and John. 15 00:00:35,770 --> 00:00:40,973 We're in the soon-to-be new "Catfish" HQ. 16 00:00:41,042 --> 00:00:44,643 Cases of COVID are going down, vaccinations are going up. 17 00:00:44,712 --> 00:00:47,513 That means Kamie and I can finally be back together. 18 00:00:47,581 --> 00:00:52,217 - Here at the office. About to go in. 19 00:00:52,286 --> 00:00:55,287 Oh, damn, it's huge in here. 20 00:00:55,356 --> 00:00:56,588 But where's the [bleep]? 21 00:00:56,657 --> 00:00:58,424 - All right, so it's not quite ready, 22 00:00:58,492 --> 00:01:00,993 but the raw space has a lot of potential. 23 00:01:01,062 --> 00:01:04,329 - I agree, but it does look like we got robbed. 24 00:01:04,398 --> 00:01:05,597 - I gotta show you the best part. 25 00:01:05,666 --> 00:01:07,399 - Oh. 26 00:01:07,468 --> 00:01:08,767 - Isn't this great? 27 00:01:08,836 --> 00:01:09,968 - This is the most sunshine 28 00:01:10,037 --> 00:01:12,004 I think I've felt all quarantine. 29 00:01:12,073 --> 00:01:14,039 - All right, we've got work to do. 30 00:01:14,108 --> 00:01:16,442 - Wow. - Right? This is great. 31 00:01:16,510 --> 00:01:19,311 - The throne. - Good to be back. 32 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:23,048 - So let's dive on in. We do have an email here. 33 00:01:23,117 --> 00:01:24,616 "Hey, my name is Aaliyah. 34 00:01:24,685 --> 00:01:27,686 I'm 23 and recently moved from California to Tennessee. 35 00:01:27,755 --> 00:01:31,890 Four years ago, I met Paula online and we just vibed. 36 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,859 - ♪ You say all the right things ♪ 37 00:01:33,928 --> 00:01:37,229 - Paula lived in Seattle, but her work as a model 38 00:01:37,298 --> 00:01:39,731 was constantly bringing her to Los Angeles, 39 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,267 which wasn't far from where I lived. 40 00:01:42,336 --> 00:01:44,436 We quickly started talking about meeting up 41 00:01:44,505 --> 00:01:47,072 and I was looking forward to it. 42 00:01:47,141 --> 00:01:48,674 As the months passed, 43 00:01:48,742 --> 00:01:52,845 I realized that I was starting to develop feelings for Paula. 44 00:01:52,913 --> 00:01:55,514 I've never been attracted to a woman before. 45 00:01:56,984 --> 00:01:59,151 And our relationship heated up. 46 00:02:00,788 --> 00:02:03,055 Paula and I loved hyping each other up. 47 00:02:03,124 --> 00:02:05,524 I could be myself with no pressure. 48 00:02:05,593 --> 00:02:08,527 But while we always said we were going to meet up, 49 00:02:08,596 --> 00:02:12,865 Paula never called me whenever she got to L.A." 50 00:02:12,933 --> 00:02:15,601 Paula no call-a. 51 00:02:15,669 --> 00:02:16,735 - Holla. 52 00:02:16,804 --> 00:02:18,637 - ♪ Setting fire to the roses ♪ 53 00:02:18,706 --> 00:02:21,607 - "About a year ago, Paula disappeared. 54 00:02:21,675 --> 00:02:23,442 - ♪ Playing with your emotions ♪ 55 00:02:23,511 --> 00:02:26,044 - Then her phone number stopped working. 56 00:02:26,113 --> 00:02:28,814 This wasn't unusual for her. 57 00:02:28,883 --> 00:02:32,518 Sometimes she just shut everything down." 58 00:02:32,586 --> 00:02:34,486 [slow-motion speech] 59 00:02:34,555 --> 00:02:36,488 - Are you reading a children's book, to me? 60 00:02:36,557 --> 00:02:38,090 - I do read a lot of children's books. 61 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:39,892 - That's what you've been doing all quarantine. 62 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,394 - Yeah. This time, a month passed, 63 00:02:42,463 --> 00:02:43,795 and then another. 64 00:02:43,864 --> 00:02:46,632 I tried to find her, but she'd fully ghosted. 65 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:48,300 - ♪ Ignoring all the warnings ♪ 66 00:02:48,369 --> 00:02:50,169 - She was really gone. 67 00:02:50,237 --> 00:02:51,837 But a few weeks ago, 68 00:02:51,906 --> 00:02:56,842 I got a message from someone claiming to be Paula. 69 00:02:56,911 --> 00:02:58,877 But before I pick up where we left off, 70 00:02:58,946 --> 00:03:00,946 I need more information. 71 00:03:01,015 --> 00:03:03,215 There is something going on and it's time for me 72 00:03:03,284 --> 00:03:06,318 to find out what it is. Aaliyah." 73 00:03:06,387 --> 00:03:08,420 - ♪ I'm just a tease ♪ 74 00:03:10,224 --> 00:03:14,793 - Wow. All right, well, let's send Aaliyah a text. 75 00:03:14,862 --> 00:03:16,828 - "Hey, Aaliyah. It's Nev and Kamie. 76 00:03:16,897 --> 00:03:19,598 We just read your email and wanna help." 77 00:03:19,667 --> 00:03:21,266 - Send. - Paula has literally 78 00:03:21,335 --> 00:03:23,669 ripped a page out of the catfisher's handbook. 79 00:03:23,737 --> 00:03:25,671 She's a model. - I know. 80 00:03:25,739 --> 00:03:27,472 She travels for work a lot. 81 00:03:27,541 --> 00:03:29,041 - She ghosts, she's gone. 82 00:03:29,109 --> 00:03:30,542 - Disappears, come back. 83 00:03:30,611 --> 00:03:32,077 - Something ain't right. 84 00:03:32,146 --> 00:03:34,046 - Oh, wait, she wrote back. "Okay, I can join now." 85 00:03:34,114 --> 00:03:35,347 [chimes] 86 00:03:35,416 --> 00:03:37,950 - Hi. - Yes. Hi. 87 00:03:38,018 --> 00:03:39,351 - Hey. - Hi. 88 00:03:39,420 --> 00:03:41,386 - I just wanna know, when you were born, 89 00:03:41,455 --> 00:03:44,456 how your parents had the foreshadowing to know 90 00:03:44,525 --> 00:03:49,027 that you would grow up to look kind of like Aaliyah. 91 00:03:49,096 --> 00:03:50,462 - A lot of people say that. 92 00:03:50,531 --> 00:03:52,731 I think that, just, they were really big fans, 93 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,133 so it just kinda all went together. 94 00:03:55,202 --> 00:03:56,401 - They're smart. 95 00:03:56,470 --> 00:03:58,036 - So tell us a little bit more about you. 96 00:03:58,105 --> 00:03:59,671 What do you do in Tennessee? 97 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:01,840 - I'm currently a car salesman, 98 00:04:01,909 --> 00:04:04,142 but I'm getting ready to go back to school. 99 00:04:04,211 --> 00:04:05,410 - Cool. 100 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:06,778 - Okay, what's going on with Paula? 101 00:04:06,847 --> 00:04:08,814 - Yeah, this story is very interesting to us. 102 00:04:08,882 --> 00:04:11,750 - So I met Paula, like, almost four years ago. 103 00:04:11,819 --> 00:04:14,353 We had randomly started following each other. 104 00:04:14,421 --> 00:04:16,221 Eventually, we started DMing and then, 105 00:04:16,290 --> 00:04:19,157 from there, went to texting and then phone calls. 106 00:04:19,226 --> 00:04:20,726 - Tell us more about Paula. 107 00:04:20,794 --> 00:04:23,629 - Paula's about my age. She's beautiful. 108 00:04:23,697 --> 00:04:26,665 When I met her she was doing modelling. 109 00:04:26,734 --> 00:04:28,700 - And where does she live now? - I'm not really sure. 110 00:04:28,769 --> 00:04:31,503 I just know she doesn't live in Seattle anymore. 111 00:04:31,572 --> 00:04:34,506 - So you and Paula were vibing, as you say, 112 00:04:34,575 --> 00:04:37,409 but you said it took a while before it got romantic. 113 00:04:37,478 --> 00:04:39,845 When did you start feeling attracted to her? 114 00:04:39,913 --> 00:04:44,049 - It just kinda slowly progressed into flirting 115 00:04:44,118 --> 00:04:45,317 with each other, I guess. 116 00:04:45,386 --> 00:04:47,352 Then we started acknowledging 117 00:04:47,421 --> 00:04:48,987 that we were attracted to each other. 118 00:04:49,056 --> 00:04:50,322 - Before Paula, 119 00:04:50,391 --> 00:04:52,991 were you ever attracted to girls or was she the first? 120 00:04:53,060 --> 00:04:55,527 - I think I might have already been attracted to girls. 121 00:04:55,596 --> 00:04:58,597 I just didn't acknowledge it until Paula. 122 00:04:58,666 --> 00:05:00,132 She is kinda, like, the first girl 123 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,701 that I ever, like, crushed on. 124 00:05:02,770 --> 00:05:04,369 That's something me and her have spoke about. 125 00:05:04,438 --> 00:05:06,772 We've never dated a female before. 126 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:08,507 We've only ever dated guys. 127 00:05:08,575 --> 00:05:11,009 When I met Paula, I was in a relationship. 128 00:05:11,078 --> 00:05:13,378 Me and her related on boy problems, too, 129 00:05:13,447 --> 00:05:14,746 from time to time. 130 00:05:14,815 --> 00:05:16,748 - And then you guys started kinda flirting. 131 00:05:16,817 --> 00:05:18,684 - Mm-hmm. - What does that mean? 132 00:05:18,752 --> 00:05:22,454 Like, were you guys sending pics? Were you-- 133 00:05:22,523 --> 00:05:25,157 - Yes, it got to that point sometimes. 134 00:05:25,225 --> 00:05:26,692 - Ooh. - Ooh. 135 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,062 - A little Savage Fenty moment. 136 00:05:30,130 --> 00:05:31,296 - So wait a second. 137 00:05:31,365 --> 00:05:33,999 So you guys sent some sexy selfies? 138 00:05:34,068 --> 00:05:35,033 - Mm-hmm. 139 00:05:35,102 --> 00:05:39,371 - And what were the conversations? 140 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:40,706 - Um, some of the conversations 141 00:05:40,774 --> 00:05:43,075 were just a little too explicit for TV. 142 00:05:43,143 --> 00:05:45,510 I'm just, like, a really private person, 143 00:05:45,579 --> 00:05:46,878 so I don't really... 144 00:05:46,947 --> 00:05:49,915 - Boo. We've been in quarantine. 145 00:05:49,983 --> 00:05:52,351 - It went down in the DM. I mean, all right. 146 00:05:52,419 --> 00:05:55,554 - From time to time, yeah. It went in that direction. 147 00:05:55,622 --> 00:05:57,222 - And you did also talk on the phone? 148 00:05:57,291 --> 00:05:58,690 - Yeah, we did. 149 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:00,892 - And then eventually you said she disappeared. 150 00:06:00,961 --> 00:06:03,962 - Yeah. Paula is very off-the-map sometimes. 151 00:06:04,031 --> 00:06:05,997 Some months she would be on social media 152 00:06:06,066 --> 00:06:07,099 and then, for a while, 153 00:06:07,167 --> 00:06:08,867 she wouldn't be on social media at all, 154 00:06:08,936 --> 00:06:09,968 but we would still be talking on the phone 155 00:06:10,037 --> 00:06:11,503 and stuff like that. - Oh, okay. 156 00:06:11,572 --> 00:06:14,706 - But there would be occasions where her number would change. 157 00:06:14,775 --> 00:06:16,441 - Why was her number changing? 158 00:06:16,510 --> 00:06:18,043 - Honestly, I think there's certain people 159 00:06:18,112 --> 00:06:20,445 she just doesn't like to be able to contact her, 160 00:06:20,514 --> 00:06:21,847 so she'll just be over it and be like, 161 00:06:21,915 --> 00:06:23,849 "Forget it, I'ma just change my number." 162 00:06:23,917 --> 00:06:26,151 - But through all that, you kept up your relationship 163 00:06:26,220 --> 00:06:28,420 until, one day, she disappeared from you as well. 164 00:06:28,489 --> 00:06:29,855 - Yeah. 165 00:06:29,923 --> 00:06:31,523 - Did you text her and be like, "Hey, what's up?" 166 00:06:31,592 --> 00:06:32,891 or, "What's going on?" 167 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,426 and, like, she just stopped responding? 168 00:06:34,495 --> 00:06:36,128 - Mm-hmm. 169 00:06:36,196 --> 00:06:38,930 - I was hurt. And then when I texted her, 170 00:06:38,999 --> 00:06:40,966 the messages started turning green and I was like, 171 00:06:41,034 --> 00:06:43,135 "Oh, okay. She changed her phone number again." 172 00:06:43,203 --> 00:06:45,871 - I'm sure that must have been tough for you. 173 00:06:45,939 --> 00:06:49,007 - Yeah. 174 00:06:49,076 --> 00:06:50,809 - So then, a year later, 175 00:06:50,878 --> 00:06:53,078 she just sort of magically reappeared out of nowhere. 176 00:06:53,147 --> 00:06:54,746 - Yeah. 177 00:06:54,815 --> 00:06:57,416 I got a message from this random account, 178 00:06:57,484 --> 00:06:59,484 saying like, "Oh, this is Paula." 179 00:06:59,553 --> 00:07:01,653 - Does the new account have her name 180 00:07:01,722 --> 00:07:03,021 and, like, a picture of her? 181 00:07:03,090 --> 00:07:03,989 - No. 182 00:07:04,057 --> 00:07:06,258 - So there is no picture. No name? 183 00:07:06,326 --> 00:07:07,459 - No. 184 00:07:07,528 --> 00:07:08,927 - That's creepy as [bleep], 185 00:07:08,996 --> 00:07:10,529 because that might not be Paula, right? 186 00:07:10,597 --> 00:07:12,164 - I think she just made the account 187 00:07:12,232 --> 00:07:13,765 so she could hit me up 188 00:07:13,834 --> 00:07:15,500 'cause I don't think she had my phone number either. 189 00:07:15,569 --> 00:07:18,804 But I know she's really Paula because we have a mutual friend 190 00:07:18,872 --> 00:07:20,672 that I reached out to, 191 00:07:20,741 --> 00:07:22,207 just because I was a little bit skeptical 192 00:07:22,276 --> 00:07:24,042 and I was like, "Do you think this is her?" 193 00:07:24,111 --> 00:07:27,179 and he was like, "Here, just take her phone number." 194 00:07:27,247 --> 00:07:29,848 And, you know, I texted her and she was like, 195 00:07:29,917 --> 00:07:32,417 "Yeah, it's me." I was like, "Okay." 196 00:07:32,486 --> 00:07:33,919 - Wait a second. 197 00:07:33,987 --> 00:07:36,354 You have a mutual friend from the internet? 198 00:07:36,423 --> 00:07:38,457 - Yeah. His name is Jordan. 199 00:07:38,525 --> 00:07:40,492 He's somebody we met in a group chat. 200 00:07:40,561 --> 00:07:41,827 We both kinda just built, 201 00:07:41,895 --> 00:07:44,729 like, a internet friendship with him as well. 202 00:07:44,798 --> 00:07:46,531 - Why would Jordan have her new number 203 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,133 but you didn't have her new number? 204 00:07:48,202 --> 00:07:51,002 - Yeah. I was hurt really, really bad. 205 00:07:51,071 --> 00:07:54,739 - My eyebrows are raised. - Yeah. 206 00:07:54,808 --> 00:07:56,374 - I know it's been a year. 207 00:07:56,443 --> 00:07:59,010 You don't still have your old text messages with her, do you? 208 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:00,212 - Yeah. 209 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,013 - So can we see those, and also her, I guess? 210 00:08:02,082 --> 00:08:03,548 Do you have any photos, like, saved of her? 211 00:08:03,617 --> 00:08:05,517 - Yeah. 212 00:08:05,586 --> 00:08:07,452 - Okay, she's very pretty. 213 00:08:07,521 --> 00:08:09,855 - "Doseofpaulaa," that was her old page? 214 00:08:09,923 --> 00:08:11,189 - Yeah. 215 00:08:11,258 --> 00:08:13,992 - I mean, yeah, she's a beautiful girl. 216 00:08:14,061 --> 00:08:17,462 - And then these are just some of our conversations. 217 00:08:17,531 --> 00:08:21,633 - You guys talk a lot. - Wow. 218 00:08:21,702 --> 00:08:24,135 - Some stuff from 2019. 219 00:08:24,204 --> 00:08:26,304 - "Baby. I miss you. Hope all has been well." 220 00:08:26,373 --> 00:08:27,472 "Aw, I miss you too, baby." 221 00:08:27,541 --> 00:08:29,274 - "Love me some you." 222 00:08:29,343 --> 00:08:30,976 - "My girlfriend for life. 223 00:08:31,044 --> 00:08:34,613 If you ever decide on the other side, I'm still here. 224 00:08:34,681 --> 00:08:38,283 - Ooh. 225 00:08:38,352 --> 00:08:40,385 Spicy. - Yeah. 226 00:08:40,454 --> 00:08:43,755 - There's a lot of "I miss you, I love you, I care about you." 227 00:08:43,824 --> 00:08:45,423 - Those messages, coupled with the fact 228 00:08:45,492 --> 00:08:48,093 that you also sent sexy selfies, 229 00:08:48,161 --> 00:08:51,630 suggests, I think, to us, like, you guys had something real. 230 00:08:51,698 --> 00:08:53,265 - Mm-hmm. 231 00:08:53,333 --> 00:08:55,133 - But why would someone ghost out of a good thing 232 00:08:55,202 --> 00:08:56,434 unless they're hiding something? 233 00:08:56,503 --> 00:08:57,903 - Can you show us the new account, 234 00:08:57,971 --> 00:08:59,871 the one that just reached out to you? 235 00:08:59,940 --> 00:09:02,707 - This is the random account. 236 00:09:02,776 --> 00:09:05,210 - They chose that name. Weird. 237 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:07,812 - "Hey, girl, it's Paula. I have a question." 238 00:09:07,881 --> 00:09:10,081 - Then she just says, "Hi, love, what's your number?" 239 00:09:10,150 --> 00:09:11,983 What? - After a year of nothing-- 240 00:09:12,052 --> 00:09:14,452 - "Bitch, [bleep] you," that's what I would say. 241 00:09:14,521 --> 00:09:17,522 - Well, look, you're obviously a smart, young woman, 242 00:09:17,591 --> 00:09:19,324 but there's a lot of red flags. 243 00:09:19,393 --> 00:09:22,527 How are you still believing that she might be real? 244 00:09:22,596 --> 00:09:24,029 - Mm-hmm. 245 00:09:24,097 --> 00:09:27,098 - I think she is who she says she is, for sure. 246 00:09:27,167 --> 00:09:29,367 Our relationship really meant something to me. 247 00:09:29,436 --> 00:09:32,304 Me and Paula got real close. And I don't feel like 248 00:09:32,372 --> 00:09:35,574 I'm a person who can get catfished, if that makes sense. 249 00:09:35,642 --> 00:09:38,410 - Girl. - To be optimistic. 250 00:09:40,581 --> 00:09:41,980 - Well, we don't know. 251 00:09:42,049 --> 00:09:44,449 - Obviously you do need to know who this person is, 252 00:09:44,518 --> 00:09:48,019 because there's this very real connection that you guys made, 253 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:50,522 and if there's something that she's been hiding from you-- 254 00:09:50,591 --> 00:09:53,024 - Yeah. It will be nice to know. 255 00:09:53,093 --> 00:09:55,393 - Yeah. All right. We have her name. 256 00:09:55,462 --> 00:09:57,629 You've got Jordan, the friend who, I guess, 257 00:09:57,698 --> 00:09:58,997 is still in touch with her, 258 00:09:59,066 --> 00:10:00,865 so we could talk to him potentially, right? 259 00:10:00,934 --> 00:10:02,233 - Well, I can tell you 260 00:10:02,302 --> 00:10:04,603 I have already spoke to him a couple times, 261 00:10:04,671 --> 00:10:08,239 and he's just not comfortable with being put out there. 262 00:10:08,308 --> 00:10:11,142 - Okay. - We're gonna figure this out. 263 00:10:11,211 --> 00:10:13,078 Whatever you can send us, we're gonna get to work. 264 00:10:13,146 --> 00:10:14,312 - Okay. 265 00:10:14,381 --> 00:10:16,281 - All right, bye, Aaliyah. - Bye. 266 00:10:16,350 --> 00:10:17,649 - Bye. 267 00:10:17,718 --> 00:10:20,952 - There's a lot of weird external factors 268 00:10:21,021 --> 00:10:23,855 that make the whole thing seem super sus. 269 00:10:23,924 --> 00:10:25,090 - And why doesn't Jordan want to be involved? 270 00:10:25,158 --> 00:10:27,359 - Right. - He's a suspect, 271 00:10:27,427 --> 00:10:30,862 but I also feel like there could just be a girl out there 272 00:10:30,931 --> 00:10:32,831 who wanted to explore with her sexuality, 273 00:10:32,899 --> 00:10:34,332 and really thought that Aaliyah's beautiful, 274 00:10:34,401 --> 00:10:36,468 because she is, and decided to hit her up. 275 00:10:36,536 --> 00:10:38,236 - But she disappears and changed her number 276 00:10:38,305 --> 00:10:40,372 a bunch of times. Something's going on with her, 277 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,540 out of the ordinary, and I'm worried 278 00:10:42,609 --> 00:10:45,944 that Aaliyah's first girl crush might crush her. 279 00:10:46,713 --> 00:10:48,747 [rock music] 280 00:10:48,815 --> 00:10:51,650 - So Aaliyah and Paula are both 23 years old, 281 00:10:51,718 --> 00:10:53,284 have now known each other for four years, 282 00:10:53,353 --> 00:10:57,756 went from being Instagram buds to borderline girlfriends-- 283 00:10:57,824 --> 00:10:59,124 - They were girlfriends. 284 00:10:59,192 --> 00:11:00,425 - I mean they were close. 285 00:11:00,494 --> 00:11:03,194 Talked on the phone, sent each other naked pictures. 286 00:11:03,263 --> 00:11:05,563 - This is like Aaliyah's first experience with a girl... 287 00:11:05,632 --> 00:11:07,298 - Right. - And maybe Paula's. 288 00:11:07,367 --> 00:11:08,500 - Maybe even--yeah. 289 00:11:08,568 --> 00:11:10,568 - That is meaningful. - Yeah. 290 00:11:10,637 --> 00:11:14,572 But Paula disappeared a year ago. 291 00:11:14,641 --> 00:11:17,909 Now, out of nowhere, shows back up 292 00:11:17,978 --> 00:11:20,145 and wants to pick things right back up. 293 00:11:20,213 --> 00:11:24,149 So before Aaliyah gets any further into this, 294 00:11:24,217 --> 00:11:28,319 gotta figure out who Paula is, and we gotta do it now. 295 00:11:28,388 --> 00:11:30,889 - Yes. 296 00:11:30,957 --> 00:11:33,358 - Let's see if she sent us that email, and she did. 297 00:11:33,427 --> 00:11:34,726 Here you go. 298 00:11:34,795 --> 00:11:36,294 "Hey, guys. Here's all the info I have. 299 00:11:36,363 --> 00:11:40,131 Paula Guerrero is 22 and lived in Seattle. 300 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,267 I think she might be living in Los Angeles now. 301 00:11:42,335 --> 00:11:44,035 The Instagram account she messaged me 302 00:11:44,104 --> 00:11:47,839 from a few weeks ago is "randomaccount." 303 00:11:47,908 --> 00:11:50,041 Her phone number is 206--" 304 00:11:50,110 --> 00:11:53,078 I'm not familiar with that. She's got the phone number of 305 00:11:53,146 --> 00:11:55,180 when they first started talking, which is also 206. 306 00:11:55,248 --> 00:11:56,147 - Mm-hmm. 307 00:11:56,216 --> 00:11:57,582 - "Good luck with your searching. 308 00:11:57,651 --> 00:11:58,950 I hope to hear from you soon." 309 00:11:59,019 --> 00:12:00,485 All right, let's do an image search 310 00:12:00,554 --> 00:12:01,820 for the two pictures that we have. 311 00:12:01,888 --> 00:12:04,055 - I mean, the girl is really cute. 312 00:12:04,124 --> 00:12:06,257 Like, there's no way that that girl doesn't have an Instagram 313 00:12:06,326 --> 00:12:08,493 somewhere with a following. 314 00:12:08,562 --> 00:12:10,495 - You would think. 315 00:12:10,564 --> 00:12:13,531 All right, here's the first one. 316 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,533 Okay, so first picture, nothing. 317 00:12:15,602 --> 00:12:20,338 Let's just do the second picture 'cause it's all we got. 318 00:12:20,407 --> 00:12:21,906 Nothing. 319 00:12:21,975 --> 00:12:23,975 Let's go to the Instagram page Aaliyah got a message from 320 00:12:24,044 --> 00:12:26,277 and see if there's anything there. 321 00:12:27,514 --> 00:12:30,582 So she's following Aaliyah. 322 00:12:30,650 --> 00:12:32,784 I want to see if she's following Jordan, 323 00:12:32,853 --> 00:12:35,053 the mutual internet friend... 324 00:12:35,122 --> 00:12:36,755 - Mm-hmm. 325 00:12:36,823 --> 00:12:39,657 - Who just happened to also have Paula's new number. 326 00:12:42,295 --> 00:12:43,962 Here's a Jordan. 327 00:12:44,030 --> 00:12:47,766 Let's see if Jordan is also following Aaliyah on Instagram. 328 00:12:49,903 --> 00:12:52,437 There he is. This could be Jordan. 329 00:12:52,506 --> 00:12:53,605 There's a connection there. 330 00:12:53,673 --> 00:12:55,340 There's something going on with Jordan. 331 00:12:55,408 --> 00:12:57,542 - He's involved, for sure. 332 00:12:57,611 --> 00:12:59,544 Technically, if we reached out to him, 333 00:12:59,613 --> 00:13:03,148 she didn't put us in contact. We just stumbled upon him. 334 00:13:03,216 --> 00:13:04,415 - Yeah, I mean, look, if we could just-- 335 00:13:04,484 --> 00:13:06,117 If he doesn't want to do it, he'll say no. 336 00:13:06,186 --> 00:13:07,385 - It's not our fault we found him. 337 00:13:07,454 --> 00:13:08,920 - Yeah. 338 00:13:08,989 --> 00:13:10,522 - We're just really [bleep] good at what we do. 339 00:13:10,590 --> 00:13:12,357 - Right. That's true. 340 00:13:12,425 --> 00:13:14,559 "Hey, Jordan. It's Nev from the TV show 'Catfish.' 341 00:13:14,628 --> 00:13:15,827 We're making an episode now 342 00:13:15,896 --> 00:13:17,629 and wanted to ask you a quick question." 343 00:13:17,697 --> 00:13:20,298 All right, sent. 344 00:13:20,367 --> 00:13:22,867 All right, let's run the phone numbers. 345 00:13:27,174 --> 00:13:30,775 All right, the old number comes back with nothing. 346 00:13:30,844 --> 00:13:33,178 Let's see about this new number. 347 00:13:34,548 --> 00:13:37,482 Oh. Oh, okay. Here we go. 348 00:13:37,551 --> 00:13:40,118 - Karina [bleep]. Wow. 349 00:13:40,187 --> 00:13:42,520 - Interesting. So that's something. 350 00:13:42,589 --> 00:13:44,055 - Oh, she's from Seattle. - Yes. 351 00:13:44,124 --> 00:13:47,592 And this is a new number. I mean, less than a year. 352 00:13:47,661 --> 00:13:48,893 - So who is Karina? 353 00:13:48,962 --> 00:13:51,596 - Shall we look up Karina [bleep]? 354 00:13:51,665 --> 00:13:54,232 I mean, Karina [bleep]. 355 00:13:56,436 --> 00:13:59,103 All right. Here's one that lives in New York. 356 00:14:00,473 --> 00:14:03,474 Surprisingly there are a lot of people with that name. 357 00:14:03,543 --> 00:14:08,346 But let's do the search and let's do the city, Seattle. 358 00:14:09,883 --> 00:14:14,752 Nothing. So who is Karina [bleep]? 359 00:14:14,821 --> 00:14:19,290 All right, well, look. I mean, we can always just call Paula. 360 00:14:19,359 --> 00:14:21,392 If she answers-- - Which she won't do. 361 00:14:21,461 --> 00:14:23,528 - Well, let's have a plan because I don't want 362 00:14:23,597 --> 00:14:25,096 to get that awkward moment as the phone's ringing 363 00:14:25,165 --> 00:14:26,431 where I go like, "What do I say?" 364 00:14:26,499 --> 00:14:28,800 - That's your fault. You just get trigger-happy. 365 00:14:28,869 --> 00:14:30,101 I don't know. 366 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:31,636 - I think the best policy is just honesty. 367 00:14:31,705 --> 00:14:33,271 "Hey, Paula, it's so nice to talk to you." 368 00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:35,039 - I don't think you should say "Paula." 369 00:14:35,108 --> 00:14:36,708 I think you should say you're calling for Karina. 370 00:14:36,776 --> 00:14:38,643 - Oh. 371 00:14:38,712 --> 00:14:41,312 Oh. And see what she says. 372 00:14:43,884 --> 00:14:47,151 [line ringing] 373 00:14:48,288 --> 00:14:49,787 - Hello. - Yes. 374 00:14:49,856 --> 00:14:51,756 Hi, I'm looking for Karina. 375 00:14:51,825 --> 00:14:54,759 - Um, who is this? 376 00:14:56,663 --> 00:14:57,996 - Hung up. - God damn it, Nev! 377 00:14:58,064 --> 00:14:59,264 - Well, that's not a no. 378 00:14:59,332 --> 00:15:00,765 - What? - What am I supposed to say? 379 00:15:00,834 --> 00:15:02,066 - No! 380 00:15:02,135 --> 00:15:03,201 - I can't give it away at that point. 381 00:15:03,270 --> 00:15:04,869 - You can't hang up the phone! 382 00:15:04,938 --> 00:15:06,237 You're supposed to come up with something. 383 00:15:06,306 --> 00:15:08,139 - I wasn't-- - Jesus Christ. 384 00:15:08,208 --> 00:15:10,308 - I wasn't prepared to come up with a whole [bleep] character. 385 00:15:10,377 --> 00:15:12,076 - Hey. - You should just call back. 386 00:15:12,145 --> 00:15:13,378 I'd be curious to see if she answers and say like, 387 00:15:13,446 --> 00:15:15,780 "My partner's an idiot." 388 00:15:15,849 --> 00:15:18,283 [line ringing] 389 00:15:18,351 --> 00:15:20,218 - Hello. 390 00:15:20,287 --> 00:15:24,188 - Hi. Okay, I don't know-- I don't know who this is. 391 00:15:24,257 --> 00:15:27,759 My name is Kamie. We're from the show "Catfish" on MTV. 392 00:15:27,827 --> 00:15:28,960 I'm not sure if you've seen it. 393 00:15:29,029 --> 00:15:31,796 - What the heck? - Yes. 394 00:15:31,865 --> 00:15:33,798 - So, I mean, I-- [end call tone beeping] 395 00:15:33,867 --> 00:15:35,366 - Oh. - Oh. 396 00:15:35,435 --> 00:15:36,634 I-- 397 00:15:36,703 --> 00:15:40,738 ♪ ♪ 398 00:15:40,807 --> 00:15:44,108 Well, why would she hang up? If "Catfish" is calling me 399 00:15:44,177 --> 00:15:47,145 and I know I'm innocent, I'm gonna be like, "Oh." 400 00:15:47,213 --> 00:15:49,180 - Right. Let's just send a text, 401 00:15:49,249 --> 00:15:52,317 and let's just explain the deal. 402 00:15:52,385 --> 00:15:54,652 "Hey. This is Nev..." - "And Kamie." 403 00:15:54,721 --> 00:15:57,388 - "And Kamie, from 'Catfish.' 404 00:15:57,457 --> 00:16:00,058 We would love to talk 405 00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:03,361 about a relationship we're investigating right now." 406 00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:04,929 - Perfect. 407 00:16:04,998 --> 00:16:06,931 - So let's see if she responds to our text. 408 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,466 Let's see if Jordan gets back to us, 409 00:16:08,535 --> 00:16:10,301 and hopefully in the morning we'll have some new information 410 00:16:10,370 --> 00:16:13,171 before we go back to Aaliyah and give her the update. 411 00:16:13,239 --> 00:16:16,607 The good news is, the number that Aaliyah has for Paula... 412 00:16:16,676 --> 00:16:17,775 - Mm-hmm. 413 00:16:17,844 --> 00:16:19,410 - Was answered by a woman. - Mm-hmm. 414 00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:23,181 - So any possibility that it was Jordan, 415 00:16:23,249 --> 00:16:24,782 unless, of course, Jordan happens 416 00:16:24,851 --> 00:16:26,217 to be sitting with Paula right now 417 00:16:26,286 --> 00:16:28,519 and, like, "here--" I don't think so. 418 00:16:28,588 --> 00:16:31,823 I don't necessarily think that her name is Paula. 419 00:16:31,891 --> 00:16:33,458 It could be Karina, which is why maybe 420 00:16:33,526 --> 00:16:35,226 she didn't say yes or no, but, like... 421 00:16:35,295 --> 00:16:36,561 - Mm-hmm. 422 00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:37,862 - She's not wrong to be like, "Who's calling?" 423 00:16:37,931 --> 00:16:39,964 - Yeah, but she's using that phone number 424 00:16:40,033 --> 00:16:41,499 to talk to people that she is catfishing. 425 00:16:41,568 --> 00:16:43,101 - Right. That's true. 426 00:16:43,169 --> 00:16:44,335 - And we don't know how many people she's talking to. 427 00:16:44,404 --> 00:16:45,837 - Well, that might be her phone number 428 00:16:45,905 --> 00:16:46,771 that's just for her catfishing too. 429 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,306 - True. 430 00:16:48,375 --> 00:16:49,841 - But there's definitely something weird about Paula. 431 00:16:49,909 --> 00:16:51,576 - If her name's even Paula. 432 00:16:51,644 --> 00:16:53,611 We don't even know who we're hunting now. 433 00:16:54,881 --> 00:16:58,049 - Good morning. 434 00:16:58,118 --> 00:17:00,051 Clink, clink, cheers. 435 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,854 - So I haven't heard anything back from Paula or Jordan 436 00:17:02,922 --> 00:17:04,455 since we reached out to them yesterday. 437 00:17:04,524 --> 00:17:06,591 Let's just see if anything even came back. 438 00:17:06,659 --> 00:17:07,725 - Oh, God. - No. 439 00:17:07,794 --> 00:17:09,727 Okay, so no response from Paula. 440 00:17:09,796 --> 00:17:11,562 And... 441 00:17:11,631 --> 00:17:14,999 we have a response from Jordan--no. 442 00:17:15,068 --> 00:17:16,267 - Jordan didn't get back to us, 443 00:17:16,336 --> 00:17:17,702 but maybe he got back to Aaliyah, 444 00:17:17,771 --> 00:17:19,237 and probably cussed her out. 445 00:17:19,305 --> 00:17:22,407 - I'll text Aaliyah. "Jump back in the Zoom." 446 00:17:22,475 --> 00:17:24,208 - [imitates chime] 447 00:17:24,277 --> 00:17:25,743 Bing-boo. 448 00:17:25,812 --> 00:17:27,512 [chiming] 449 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:29,981 - Hey, girl. - Hi. 450 00:17:30,050 --> 00:17:32,183 - Any update? Have you heard anything? 451 00:17:32,252 --> 00:17:33,451 - No. 452 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,486 - Well, we're gonna fill you in on everything. 453 00:17:35,555 --> 00:17:37,288 - Let's just go through what we did yesterday, 454 00:17:37,357 --> 00:17:39,090 so you're up to speed with where we're at. 455 00:17:39,159 --> 00:17:40,391 - Okay. 456 00:17:40,460 --> 00:17:42,193 - So you had her new Instagram account, obviously, 457 00:17:42,262 --> 00:17:43,795 which is what we're looking at here, 458 00:17:43,863 --> 00:17:46,764 which has very, well, nothing really on it. 459 00:17:46,833 --> 00:17:48,499 Even though you said 460 00:17:48,568 --> 00:17:51,069 that Jordan would prefer to stay out of this... 461 00:17:51,137 --> 00:17:52,270 - Mm-hmm. 462 00:17:52,338 --> 00:17:54,238 - We were curious if we could at least find out 463 00:17:54,307 --> 00:17:56,374 who this guy is and do a little research about him. 464 00:17:56,443 --> 00:17:57,575 - Mm-hmm. 465 00:17:57,644 --> 00:17:59,677 - And we looked to see who is following Paula. 466 00:17:59,746 --> 00:18:03,714 We saw there was someone named Jordan. 467 00:18:03,783 --> 00:18:06,617 - Yeah, that's my friend Jordan. 468 00:18:06,686 --> 00:18:08,119 - And we just thought maybe, 469 00:18:08,188 --> 00:18:09,654 even though he said he didn't wanna talk, 470 00:18:09,722 --> 00:18:13,024 maybe he would want to talk, so we sent him a message. 471 00:18:13,093 --> 00:18:14,192 "Love to talk to you." 472 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:16,260 And we still haven't heard from him. 473 00:18:16,329 --> 00:18:18,162 So then we ran the phone numbers. 474 00:18:18,231 --> 00:18:20,031 The old one didn't come up with any information 475 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:21,466 that we could find, 476 00:18:21,534 --> 00:18:27,004 but the new phone number shows a Karina [bleep]. 477 00:18:27,073 --> 00:18:29,707 We're just curious if you knew anyone named Karina. 478 00:18:29,776 --> 00:18:31,209 - No. 479 00:18:31,277 --> 00:18:32,610 - Okay, well, we had-- You know, we wanted to show it 480 00:18:32,679 --> 00:18:36,514 to you just in case it jogged your memory. 481 00:18:36,583 --> 00:18:38,483 So we think it's pretty likely you're talking 482 00:18:38,551 --> 00:18:41,385 to a girl named Karina. Not Paula. 483 00:18:41,454 --> 00:18:45,356 - Aaliyah, you're so chill. I can't, I can't understand. 484 00:18:47,727 --> 00:18:50,128 - I'm always chillin'. Sorry. 485 00:18:51,231 --> 00:18:53,064 - So we did some Facebook searching. 486 00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:54,699 There are a lot of Karina [bleep]. 487 00:18:54,767 --> 00:18:56,167 Like, it could be-- 488 00:18:56,236 --> 00:18:57,935 It could mean everything, it could be nothing. 489 00:18:58,004 --> 00:18:59,470 It doesn't help us a lot. 490 00:18:59,539 --> 00:19:01,038 - Yeah. 491 00:19:01,107 --> 00:19:02,874 - At this point we were like, "Okay, well, 492 00:19:02,942 --> 00:19:05,009 there's always a chance that the person 493 00:19:05,078 --> 00:19:07,145 you're talking to isn't Paula, 494 00:19:07,213 --> 00:19:08,746 and those aren't pictures of her. 495 00:19:08,815 --> 00:19:10,214 - Mm-hmm. 496 00:19:10,283 --> 00:19:12,450 - And maybe the real person's name is Karina. 497 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:13,718 We just kind of didn't 498 00:19:13,786 --> 00:19:17,221 find anything that felt like a promising lead. 499 00:19:17,290 --> 00:19:19,056 So at that point, we made a decision. 500 00:19:19,125 --> 00:19:22,393 We were like, "Okay, look, let's call Paula. 501 00:19:22,462 --> 00:19:26,130 So I called and I said, "Hey, I'm looking for Karina," 502 00:19:26,199 --> 00:19:28,232 just to see what she would say. 503 00:19:28,301 --> 00:19:29,267 - Okay. 504 00:19:29,335 --> 00:19:31,469 - And she was like, "Who is this?" 505 00:19:31,538 --> 00:19:34,071 And I kinda just froze and I think I just hung up. 506 00:19:34,140 --> 00:19:35,940 - Yes. - Right. 507 00:19:36,009 --> 00:19:37,408 And then I thought Kamie should call-- 508 00:19:37,477 --> 00:19:38,509 - I called back. 509 00:19:38,578 --> 00:19:39,877 - And so Kamie called and she was like, 510 00:19:39,946 --> 00:19:41,879 "Hey, here's what's up." And at that point... 511 00:19:41,948 --> 00:19:43,548 - She was like, "What the heck?" 512 00:19:43,616 --> 00:19:45,716 and she hung up the phone. 513 00:19:45,785 --> 00:19:47,451 - Oh. 514 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,687 - What's crazy to me is that you haven't heard from her. 515 00:19:49,756 --> 00:19:51,022 - No. - We didn't mention you. 516 00:19:51,090 --> 00:19:53,391 We'd never said "Aaliyah" intentionally. 517 00:19:53,459 --> 00:19:55,660 - No, we didn't. On purpose because we figured, 518 00:19:55,728 --> 00:19:57,929 who knows how many people that she's talking to? 519 00:19:57,997 --> 00:19:59,964 But we ended up messaging her again. 520 00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:02,900 - We texted her and just said, "Hey, I'm sorry about that. 521 00:20:02,969 --> 00:20:04,468 We'd love to talk to you about a relationship 522 00:20:04,537 --> 00:20:07,205 we're investigating right now." But she never responded. 523 00:20:07,273 --> 00:20:09,407 So the ball is in her court. 524 00:20:09,475 --> 00:20:10,508 - Okay. 525 00:20:10,577 --> 00:20:12,310 - She knows that we're on to her. 526 00:20:12,378 --> 00:20:14,045 - We gotta figure out what we wanna do. 527 00:20:14,113 --> 00:20:17,281 - Yeah. - Wait, we got a text? 528 00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:18,783 - Yes. - Who is this? 529 00:20:18,851 --> 00:20:20,818 - "Hi, Nev. I heard you were trying to find Paula. 530 00:20:20,887 --> 00:20:22,220 I have some information 531 00:20:22,288 --> 00:20:25,022 that I think is important for you to hear." 532 00:20:25,091 --> 00:20:29,293 - Who is that? Who even has this number? 533 00:20:29,362 --> 00:20:31,062 - But how did they know we're trying to find Paula? 534 00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:34,498 We never said Paula's name to Karina yesterday. 535 00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:35,800 Let's look up the number. 536 00:20:35,868 --> 00:20:37,134 - Yeah, let's look up the number. 537 00:20:37,203 --> 00:20:41,439 - It's getting interesting. 538 00:20:41,507 --> 00:20:43,174 - "Lanna?" 539 00:20:43,243 --> 00:20:44,442 - Lanna Hooper. 540 00:20:44,510 --> 00:20:46,677 - Do you know a Lanna? - No. 541 00:20:46,746 --> 00:20:47,745 - Who is that? 542 00:20:47,814 --> 00:20:49,847 - It says Seattle. 543 00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:51,649 - Let's do a little Facebook search. 544 00:20:51,718 --> 00:20:53,951 - "Lanna Hooper." 545 00:20:55,054 --> 00:20:57,088 - Here's Seattle, Washington. 546 00:20:58,358 --> 00:21:00,858 - This person doesn't look familiar to you, right? 547 00:21:00,927 --> 00:21:03,194 - Mm-mm. - Wait, who's that? 548 00:21:03,263 --> 00:21:07,698 - That's Paula. - [gasps] 549 00:21:07,767 --> 00:21:09,834 Lanna is her mom, maybe? 550 00:21:09,902 --> 00:21:11,369 - Boom. 551 00:21:11,437 --> 00:21:13,971 - It could be her mom or her aunt or a cousin 552 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,840 but definitely a family member. 553 00:21:15,908 --> 00:21:17,174 "I love my family." 554 00:21:17,243 --> 00:21:18,376 - This is the girl in the pictures. 555 00:21:18,444 --> 00:21:19,810 That's definitely her, right? 556 00:21:19,879 --> 00:21:21,245 - That's definitely Paula. 557 00:21:21,314 --> 00:21:22,713 - And that looks like Lanna next to her. 558 00:21:22,782 --> 00:21:23,948 - Maybe. 559 00:21:24,017 --> 00:21:25,283 - We should just respond to this person. 560 00:21:25,351 --> 00:21:28,953 Maybe the text we got just came from her. 561 00:21:29,022 --> 00:21:33,724 "Hey. Yes, we are looking for Paula." 562 00:21:33,793 --> 00:21:38,729 - "Can you jump into Zoom?" - "Can you come in a Zoom?" 563 00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:41,599 - What the hell is going on? I don't know. 564 00:21:41,668 --> 00:21:45,269 - Someone, obviously connected to the girl in the pictures, 565 00:21:45,338 --> 00:21:47,138 found out we were investigating. 566 00:21:47,206 --> 00:21:48,406 - She said, "Yeah, that's fine." 567 00:21:48,474 --> 00:21:49,807 Or they said. - Oh, my God. 568 00:21:49,876 --> 00:21:51,342 - 'Cause no shade, Aaliyah, 569 00:21:51,411 --> 00:21:53,844 I did not think that this was ever gonna come back 570 00:21:53,913 --> 00:21:55,246 to that girl in the pictures. 571 00:21:55,315 --> 00:21:57,181 I thought that she was out of this completely, 572 00:21:57,250 --> 00:21:59,850 but now she's fully back in. 573 00:21:59,919 --> 00:22:01,819 - I don't think she's a catfish. 574 00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:03,788 - But what if Paula is real? 575 00:22:03,856 --> 00:22:06,490 - I'ma keep saying she's real. I think she's real. 576 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:10,328 - What if Paula pops in here? What if it is Paula? 577 00:22:10,396 --> 00:22:11,696 - Okay, they're gonna join. 578 00:22:11,764 --> 00:22:13,798 Oh, boy, well, we're about to find out. 579 00:22:13,866 --> 00:22:15,232 [dramatic music] 580 00:22:15,301 --> 00:22:16,500 [chimes] - Oh. 581 00:22:16,569 --> 00:22:18,002 - Oh! 582 00:22:19,872 --> 00:22:21,405 - What if Paula pops in here? What if it is Paula? 583 00:22:21,474 --> 00:22:23,307 - Well, we're about to find out. 584 00:22:23,376 --> 00:22:26,711 [dramatic music] 585 00:22:26,779 --> 00:22:27,745 [chimes] 586 00:22:27,814 --> 00:22:30,581 - Oh! 587 00:22:30,650 --> 00:22:33,784 - Hi, boo. - Hi. 588 00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:35,186 - Hey. 589 00:22:35,254 --> 00:22:37,321 - Hi. - Hello. 590 00:22:37,390 --> 00:22:39,390 - I told y'all she was real. 591 00:22:39,459 --> 00:22:41,125 [laughs] 592 00:22:41,194 --> 00:22:44,995 - I'm not Paula. 593 00:22:45,064 --> 00:22:46,464 - You're not Paula? 594 00:22:46,532 --> 00:22:47,832 - No. 595 00:22:49,635 --> 00:22:52,069 - Okay, we're very confused. 596 00:22:52,138 --> 00:22:55,172 Can--What do--Please explain. 597 00:22:55,241 --> 00:22:57,241 - My name's Nayonni. 598 00:22:57,310 --> 00:22:59,210 I am the girl in the pictures. 599 00:22:59,278 --> 00:23:00,778 However, I am not Paula. 600 00:23:00,847 --> 00:23:03,681 I'm not the one who's been running the accounts. 601 00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:05,883 Paula actually reached out to me 602 00:23:05,952 --> 00:23:07,752 and told me you guys reached out to her, 603 00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:09,620 and she got a little frantic. 604 00:23:09,689 --> 00:23:12,923 She asked if I would come and share the story 605 00:23:12,992 --> 00:23:15,493 as to how we all got here. And-- 606 00:23:15,561 --> 00:23:16,794 - Wait. Okay, so hold on. 607 00:23:16,863 --> 00:23:21,632 So after we spoke to Paula yesterday, 608 00:23:21,701 --> 00:23:23,667 she reached out to you. 609 00:23:23,736 --> 00:23:26,904 Did you know that there was a fake account of you? 610 00:23:26,973 --> 00:23:28,038 - Yes. 611 00:23:28,107 --> 00:23:29,440 - Wait. What? 612 00:23:29,509 --> 00:23:32,643 - So basically, in 2016, 613 00:23:32,712 --> 00:23:35,679 somebody reached out to me through DM, 614 00:23:35,748 --> 00:23:38,749 informing me that there were several fake accounts, 615 00:23:38,818 --> 00:23:40,951 depicting me to be somebody that I'm not. 616 00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:42,653 - Okay. 617 00:23:42,722 --> 00:23:45,756 - I couldn't see them myself due to me being blocked, 618 00:23:45,825 --> 00:23:47,625 and these people who reached out to me 619 00:23:47,693 --> 00:23:48,893 were friends of the girl 620 00:23:48,961 --> 00:23:51,929 who was catfishing with the pictures. 621 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:55,933 They gave me a phone number to reach out to, 622 00:23:56,002 --> 00:23:57,802 and I confronted her about what was going on, 623 00:23:57,870 --> 00:24:01,439 and I asked her to take the accounts down. 624 00:24:01,507 --> 00:24:03,374 I asked her why she was doing it, 625 00:24:03,443 --> 00:24:08,279 and basically she was going through a lot in her life, 626 00:24:08,347 --> 00:24:12,149 and this was her outlet to feel like she was somebody. 627 00:24:12,218 --> 00:24:14,652 - And what--is her name actually Paula? 628 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,756 - No. - What is her name? 629 00:24:18,825 --> 00:24:21,225 - What the hell is going on? 630 00:24:21,294 --> 00:24:23,093 - Her name is Rayven. 631 00:24:23,162 --> 00:24:25,162 - Rayven? - Yes. 632 00:24:25,231 --> 00:24:26,464 - And did you assume, 633 00:24:26,532 --> 00:24:28,365 after that conversation, that she would stop? 634 00:24:28,434 --> 00:24:34,104 - Yeah. I really felt like I got through to her that time. 635 00:24:34,173 --> 00:24:38,108 However, it's been seven years that this has been going on. 636 00:24:38,177 --> 00:24:39,910 - Seven years? 637 00:24:39,979 --> 00:24:43,848 - Yeah, since I was 14. I'm 22 now. 638 00:24:43,916 --> 00:24:46,350 Every time an account would come up, 639 00:24:46,419 --> 00:24:48,752 I found a method to contact Instagram 640 00:24:48,821 --> 00:24:51,222 and give them my ID, and they would just take it down, 641 00:24:51,290 --> 00:24:52,857 but it would be down. 642 00:24:52,925 --> 00:24:56,727 And then, obviously, a new one would just pop right back up. 643 00:24:56,796 --> 00:25:00,331 - Aaliyah has been talking to who she thought was you 644 00:25:00,399 --> 00:25:02,533 for four years now, 645 00:25:02,602 --> 00:25:06,470 and, you know, it started off 646 00:25:06,539 --> 00:25:09,139 to be just a friendship 647 00:25:09,208 --> 00:25:12,910 and then turned more on a romantic level. 648 00:25:12,979 --> 00:25:16,514 - And here we are on "Catfish." 649 00:25:18,050 --> 00:25:19,950 - Wait, let's just clear something up, so-- 650 00:25:20,019 --> 00:25:21,585 All right, so wait a second. 651 00:25:21,654 --> 00:25:24,088 Okay, so, look, she should be the one doing this. Not you. 652 00:25:24,156 --> 00:25:25,189 - Right. 653 00:25:25,258 --> 00:25:26,757 - It's so unfair of her to not only do 654 00:25:26,826 --> 00:25:29,727 what she's been doing to you but then to ask you to-- 655 00:25:29,795 --> 00:25:31,562 - To come forth and speak for her. 656 00:25:31,631 --> 00:25:34,064 - Right. - Right. I wanna see Rayven. 657 00:25:34,133 --> 00:25:36,700 - I'd be willing to reach out to her and see what she says. 658 00:25:36,769 --> 00:25:38,135 - Call her, text her, whatever. 659 00:25:38,204 --> 00:25:40,070 Explain that we're eager to talk to her 660 00:25:40,139 --> 00:25:42,973 and give her an opportunity to sort of explain herself and... 661 00:25:44,176 --> 00:25:45,743 - And then you could send her the Zoom link. 662 00:25:45,811 --> 00:25:48,178 - Okay. - I don't know. 663 00:25:48,247 --> 00:25:50,814 I don't know what the hell is going on right now. 664 00:25:50,883 --> 00:25:52,016 - All right. - Talk later. 665 00:25:52,084 --> 00:25:53,317 - Thanks, Nayonni. We'll see you soon. 666 00:25:53,386 --> 00:25:54,885 - Later. 667 00:25:57,056 --> 00:25:58,856 - Girl. 668 00:25:58,925 --> 00:26:01,258 - What the hell is going on? 669 00:26:01,327 --> 00:26:03,294 I don't know. I don't do this. 670 00:26:03,362 --> 00:26:06,330 - So you really don't Nayonni is telling the truth? 671 00:26:06,399 --> 00:26:07,498 Why do you think that? 672 00:26:07,567 --> 00:26:08,899 - But I just feel like, 673 00:26:08,968 --> 00:26:11,068 this isn't how this was supposed to go. 674 00:26:11,137 --> 00:26:14,705 - What do you mean this was not how it was supposed to go? 675 00:26:14,774 --> 00:26:16,840 - I don't know what's happening right now. 676 00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:18,909 - Well, look, either way, I still think it's important 677 00:26:18,978 --> 00:26:21,312 that we do talk to Rayven, 678 00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:23,647 if there even is a Rayven. 679 00:26:23,716 --> 00:26:25,749 [chimes] - Nayonni just texted us. 680 00:26:25,818 --> 00:26:27,618 - She has spoken to Rayven. 681 00:26:27,687 --> 00:26:30,487 "Does the Zoom link you sent still work?" 682 00:26:30,556 --> 00:26:31,922 - "Yes, it does. 683 00:26:31,991 --> 00:26:34,792 We are in the Zoom now, so join anytime." 684 00:26:34,860 --> 00:26:37,161 - Okay, so Nayonni is sending the Zoom link to Rayven. 685 00:26:37,229 --> 00:26:39,463 She could pop in at any minute. Get ready. 686 00:26:39,532 --> 00:26:42,666 - At this point, I don't even know what's going on. 687 00:26:42,735 --> 00:26:45,202 All of this is weird. 688 00:26:45,271 --> 00:26:48,772 I'm just weirded out right now, so-- 689 00:26:48,841 --> 00:26:51,809 [dramatic music] 690 00:26:51,877 --> 00:26:55,145 ♪ ♪ 691 00:26:55,214 --> 00:26:57,247 [chimes] 692 00:26:57,316 --> 00:27:00,017 ♪ ♪ 693 00:27:00,086 --> 00:27:02,820 - Are you Rayven? - Hi, yeah. 694 00:27:02,888 --> 00:27:04,154 - Hi, Rayven. - Hi. 695 00:27:04,223 --> 00:27:07,091 - How you doing? - I'm good, how are you? 696 00:27:07,159 --> 00:27:11,261 - Good. We're all kind of just catching up 697 00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:13,230 and finding a lot of new information 698 00:27:13,299 --> 00:27:14,865 and just wanted to give you a chance 699 00:27:14,934 --> 00:27:17,935 to kind of introduce yourself and then tell the story 700 00:27:18,004 --> 00:27:20,638 however you feel best reflects the truth. 701 00:27:20,706 --> 00:27:25,242 - Okay. My name is Rayven. I'm from Seattle, 702 00:27:25,311 --> 00:27:29,146 which is how I originally came across Nayonni's pictures. 703 00:27:29,215 --> 00:27:32,182 There was multiple accounts. A lot of them got deleted. 704 00:27:32,251 --> 00:27:33,884 The most people that I've talked to, like, 705 00:27:33,953 --> 00:27:37,021 on the accounts would be Paula. 706 00:27:37,089 --> 00:27:39,890 - And how many people were you talking to? 707 00:27:39,959 --> 00:27:42,059 - I was talking to a lot of people, 708 00:27:42,128 --> 00:27:45,329 like, 800 people, altogether. 709 00:27:45,398 --> 00:27:48,966 - What? 710 00:27:49,035 --> 00:27:53,370 - I'm kinda confused right now 'cause-- 711 00:27:53,439 --> 00:27:55,439 Yeah, I'm confused. 712 00:27:55,508 --> 00:27:59,710 - I started to see that, when I was someone else, 713 00:27:59,779 --> 00:28:04,048 I was getting more attention than I was as me. 714 00:28:04,116 --> 00:28:08,385 And so I started to go with that. 715 00:28:08,454 --> 00:28:10,287 I know that this sounds crazy, 716 00:28:10,356 --> 00:28:14,324 but, like, it was literally like an addiction. 717 00:28:16,295 --> 00:28:20,364 Sometimes what I would do is create mutual friends 718 00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:23,333 so that people would think that it was a real account, 719 00:28:23,402 --> 00:28:25,736 this person knew people in real life. 720 00:28:25,805 --> 00:28:29,840 I was behind the Jordan account 721 00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:32,376 that Aaliyah had reached out to. 722 00:28:34,947 --> 00:28:36,914 First of all, I'm sorry. I really did like you. 723 00:28:36,982 --> 00:28:38,649 I think that you're a really good person. 724 00:28:38,718 --> 00:28:42,586 I've always thought that you were a very beautiful person. 725 00:28:42,655 --> 00:28:44,288 All I want to do is come clean 726 00:28:44,356 --> 00:28:45,723 and come forward with the truth. 727 00:28:45,791 --> 00:28:46,990 - Yeah. 728 00:28:47,059 --> 00:28:48,726 - And I think that you deserve that. 729 00:28:48,794 --> 00:28:49,960 - Go ahead if you have something 730 00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:51,428 you want to say, Aaliyah. 731 00:28:51,497 --> 00:28:53,630 - Well, I just wanted to talk to y'all two 732 00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:55,499 without her present. 733 00:28:55,568 --> 00:28:58,235 - Like, just us? - Yeah. 734 00:28:58,304 --> 00:29:01,138 - Sure. I mean, if that's okay with you, Rayven? 735 00:29:01,207 --> 00:29:03,240 - Aaliyah, we'll check in with you for a minute. 736 00:29:03,309 --> 00:29:05,142 Rayven, we'll bring you back on, 737 00:29:05,211 --> 00:29:07,444 and we can finish the conversation. 738 00:29:07,513 --> 00:29:08,879 - Okay, sounds good. 739 00:29:08,948 --> 00:29:10,647 - Okay. So I just-- 740 00:29:10,716 --> 00:29:13,617 I only want to talk to two right now real quick, 741 00:29:13,686 --> 00:29:16,353 so we can get some stuff out the way. 742 00:29:16,422 --> 00:29:19,990 This girl is sitting here, continuing to lie. 743 00:29:20,059 --> 00:29:21,492 Everything I've told you guys is the truth about me 744 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,394 and Paula's relationship. We've never Facetimed. 745 00:29:24,463 --> 00:29:26,430 We have been talking for that period of time. 746 00:29:26,499 --> 00:29:27,898 Everything is real. 747 00:29:27,967 --> 00:29:32,736 But the reason why I'm so blown out of the water and confused, 748 00:29:32,805 --> 00:29:36,740 the reason I did believe Paula was the girl in the pictures 749 00:29:36,809 --> 00:29:39,510 is because Paula, she hit me up. 750 00:29:39,578 --> 00:29:42,479 She still had me convinced she was a real person. 751 00:29:42,548 --> 00:29:43,847 She was like, 752 00:29:43,916 --> 00:29:45,449 "Let's meet on this TV show." 753 00:29:45,518 --> 00:29:46,450 - What? 754 00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:48,252 - It was gonna be like a I see you, 755 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,754 you see me, it's a happy ending type episode. 756 00:29:50,823 --> 00:29:52,422 - Whoa. 757 00:29:52,491 --> 00:29:54,992 - That's why it's weird now, and it's scaring me. 758 00:29:56,796 --> 00:29:57,928 - Basically, everything I've told you guys 759 00:29:57,997 --> 00:29:58,796 is the truth about me and Paula's relationship. 760 00:29:58,864 --> 00:30:00,197 We've never Facetimed. 761 00:30:00,266 --> 00:30:01,999 We have been talking for that period of time. 762 00:30:02,067 --> 00:30:05,169 Everything is real. But Paula, she hit me up. 763 00:30:05,237 --> 00:30:07,571 It was like, "Let's meet on this TV show." 764 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,673 It was gonna be like a I see you, 765 00:30:09,742 --> 00:30:12,142 you see me, it's a happy ending type episode. 766 00:30:12,211 --> 00:30:13,811 - Whoa. 767 00:30:13,879 --> 00:30:17,548 - That's why it's weird now, and it's scaring me. 768 00:30:17,616 --> 00:30:20,617 I was down because I really believed 769 00:30:20,686 --> 00:30:21,985 Paula was a real person. 770 00:30:22,054 --> 00:30:23,921 That's why, when she popped up on the screen, 771 00:30:23,989 --> 00:30:26,857 I really thought that she just changed our whole story 772 00:30:26,926 --> 00:30:28,492 and was going her own direction with it, 773 00:30:28,561 --> 00:30:29,760 and it was making me mad. 774 00:30:29,829 --> 00:30:31,829 - When Nayonni came on? - Yes. 775 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,367 - Wait, did you--but did you already know who Rayven was? 776 00:30:37,436 --> 00:30:38,936 - No. 777 00:30:39,004 --> 00:30:40,070 - She thought she was meeting Paula, genuinely. 778 00:30:40,139 --> 00:30:42,739 - Paula. - That's why she was so sure. 779 00:30:42,808 --> 00:30:44,541 - Yeah. - Because Paula told her. 780 00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:46,310 Like, "It's gonna be a good-- 781 00:30:46,378 --> 00:30:47,744 It's gonna be a happy ending, so it doesn't really matter..." 782 00:30:47,813 --> 00:30:49,012 - Oh, my God. - "But it will be good." 783 00:30:49,081 --> 00:30:54,284 - So Rayven, in a unbelievably selfish 784 00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:58,088 and, also, additionally, like, deceptive move... 785 00:30:58,157 --> 00:30:59,456 - Twisted. 786 00:30:59,525 --> 00:31:00,924 - Convinced you to write in, 787 00:31:00,993 --> 00:31:03,760 and tricks you into coming on the show 788 00:31:03,829 --> 00:31:05,229 by telling you that it was just really her 789 00:31:05,297 --> 00:31:07,064 and that you guys were gonna have a happy ending. 790 00:31:07,132 --> 00:31:08,432 - Yeah. 791 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:10,334 - So she came up with this whole plan and you said yes 792 00:31:10,402 --> 00:31:12,436 because you thought it was really just Paula. 793 00:31:12,504 --> 00:31:15,305 But actually the girl in the pictures was Nayonni. 794 00:31:17,977 --> 00:31:19,109 Wow. 795 00:31:19,178 --> 00:31:20,677 - She had me convinced she was a real person 796 00:31:20,746 --> 00:31:22,179 when we were doing this. 797 00:31:22,248 --> 00:31:23,247 - Wow. 798 00:31:23,315 --> 00:31:27,684 - So I genuinely assumed that she was real. 799 00:31:27,753 --> 00:31:30,087 That's why this is all weirding me out. 800 00:31:30,155 --> 00:31:32,189 Like, when the real Paula... 801 00:31:32,258 --> 00:31:33,590 - Right, Nayonni. 802 00:31:33,659 --> 00:31:36,493 - Came on the screen, that's why I was thrown off 803 00:31:36,562 --> 00:31:38,128 because I thought that 804 00:31:38,197 --> 00:31:42,132 she was coming up with a whole other storyline by herself. 805 00:31:42,201 --> 00:31:43,667 - When she said, I'm not Paula, 806 00:31:43,736 --> 00:31:45,469 and you're like, "What the [bleep]." 807 00:31:45,537 --> 00:31:48,438 - Yes, it threw me off 'cause I'm like, "That's--" 808 00:31:48,507 --> 00:31:50,073 But they sound just alike. 809 00:31:50,142 --> 00:31:51,275 - Yeah. - Her and this girl. 810 00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:53,043 - Yeah, they do sound very similar. 811 00:31:53,112 --> 00:31:55,879 - I guess that's how girls talk in Washington. 812 00:31:55,948 --> 00:31:57,147 I don't know. 813 00:31:57,216 --> 00:31:59,383 - But now that you've heard Rayven, 814 00:31:59,451 --> 00:32:00,951 you're sure that was 815 00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:02,552 the voice you've been talking to this whole time? 816 00:32:02,621 --> 00:32:04,187 - Yeah. That's definitely her. 817 00:32:04,256 --> 00:32:05,756 This is why I'm telling you this. 818 00:32:05,824 --> 00:32:07,958 - Right, right. - Because it's weird now. 819 00:32:08,027 --> 00:32:09,726 - She's definitely not coming on the show 820 00:32:09,795 --> 00:32:11,395 to tell you the truth and come clean 821 00:32:11,463 --> 00:32:12,796 and, like, do the right thing. 822 00:32:12,865 --> 00:32:14,631 She lied to you to get you and her on the show. 823 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:16,199 - Yeah. 824 00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:20,103 - And then she lied to us and you right now on the show 825 00:32:20,172 --> 00:32:22,372 while she's supposed to be changing her life 826 00:32:22,441 --> 00:32:25,442 and making good decisions to, like, be a better person. 827 00:32:25,511 --> 00:32:27,911 - Like, I'm really, really bad. 828 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:29,746 Like, this was not supposed to happen. 829 00:32:29,815 --> 00:32:31,949 - And she [bleep] made it seem like 830 00:32:32,017 --> 00:32:33,650 you were actually coming on to finally meet her... 831 00:32:33,719 --> 00:32:35,185 - Right. 832 00:32:35,254 --> 00:32:36,954 - Which is what you've been wanting this whole time. 833 00:32:37,022 --> 00:32:39,990 That is [bleep] crazy. 834 00:32:40,059 --> 00:32:41,258 - This is how I really am, 835 00:32:41,327 --> 00:32:43,827 so she has me looking dumb on TV, 836 00:32:43,896 --> 00:32:46,229 and it's messing with my anxiety right now. 837 00:32:46,298 --> 00:32:48,732 Like, I'm really not feeling this at all. 838 00:32:48,801 --> 00:32:51,001 Like, it's weird. 839 00:32:51,070 --> 00:32:54,271 - The thing that obviously bothers me is we take 840 00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:57,007 this job very seriously. We're trying to help people, 841 00:32:57,076 --> 00:33:00,143 and it's just not okay what you did either, Aaliyah. 842 00:33:00,212 --> 00:33:04,047 I mean, it's messed up on your end that you lied to us, 843 00:33:04,116 --> 00:33:06,583 not giving us all the information to help you. 844 00:33:06,652 --> 00:33:07,751 It's pretty messed up. 845 00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:09,786 - No, I do wanna apologize though. 846 00:33:09,855 --> 00:33:11,188 When the plan was told to me, 847 00:33:11,256 --> 00:33:12,956 it was something super-simple, quick, 848 00:33:13,025 --> 00:33:15,292 and it wasn't really a lie on my end, so I was like, 849 00:33:15,361 --> 00:33:17,627 "Okay, that's fine." Because she was Paula, like, 850 00:33:17,696 --> 00:33:20,797 she was still acting like Paula this whole time with me. 851 00:33:20,866 --> 00:33:22,399 - She [bleep]. She catfished you. 852 00:33:22,468 --> 00:33:24,701 She [bleep] played you out. That's what she did. 853 00:33:24,770 --> 00:33:26,103 - Yeah. 854 00:33:26,171 --> 00:33:27,437 - And though it's messed up what you did, 855 00:33:27,506 --> 00:33:29,639 you genuinely believed that you were gonna be able 856 00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:33,043 to finally meet this person, by any means necessary. 857 00:33:33,112 --> 00:33:36,179 And although, it's not something that we encourage, 858 00:33:36,248 --> 00:33:37,214 I understand it. 859 00:33:37,282 --> 00:33:38,915 - Right. - But she is a manipulator. 860 00:33:38,984 --> 00:33:41,084 She's been doing this since she was a teenager. 861 00:33:41,153 --> 00:33:43,687 - The worst part is, like, she even thought 862 00:33:43,756 --> 00:33:45,989 that she could play you like that, 863 00:33:46,058 --> 00:33:48,225 play the show, and then get Nayonni... 864 00:33:48,293 --> 00:33:49,526 - Mm-hmm. 865 00:33:49,595 --> 00:33:50,594 - The girl she's been playing the longest... 866 00:33:50,662 --> 00:33:51,862 - Mm-hmm. 867 00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:53,497 - To do her dirty work... - Mm-hmm. 868 00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:56,566 - And tell her story, so she wouldn't even have to. 869 00:33:56,635 --> 00:33:58,335 Obviously, we need She coto call out Rayven. back. 870 00:33:58,404 --> 00:33:59,636 - Obviously. 871 00:33:59,705 --> 00:34:01,204 - 'Cause I'm not gonna let her get away with... 872 00:34:01,273 --> 00:34:03,240 - I wanna be messy about it. - Taking both-- 873 00:34:03,308 --> 00:34:05,142 I mean, forget what she's done to you now. 874 00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:07,344 It's personal. I mean, now she's playing us 875 00:34:07,413 --> 00:34:10,447 and I'm not about to let that happen on my show. 876 00:34:10,516 --> 00:34:12,549 So I think we should bring her back in. 877 00:34:15,354 --> 00:34:20,090 And we'll just confront her and then say our goodbyes. 878 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:21,691 Here she comes. 879 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,261 - But who wants to start? - Me. 880 00:34:26,698 --> 00:34:28,465 - Okay, we're all back. 881 00:34:28,534 --> 00:34:31,401 - Aaliyah, the floor is yours. 882 00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:33,703 - Okay. 883 00:34:33,772 --> 00:34:38,875 So I blew up our spot, so we are exposed. 884 00:34:38,944 --> 00:34:43,013 I told them me and you have spoke behind the scenes. 885 00:34:43,082 --> 00:34:46,016 I wouldn't have done this had I known that you were not gonna 886 00:34:46,085 --> 00:34:49,920 end up being the person you swore you were. 887 00:34:49,988 --> 00:34:52,022 You almost got the other girl cussed out 888 00:34:52,091 --> 00:34:54,791 because I thought that she was Paula coming up 889 00:34:54,860 --> 00:34:57,494 with a new plan out of nowhere and not telling me. 890 00:34:57,563 --> 00:34:59,162 So she was about to get cussed out, 891 00:34:59,231 --> 00:35:00,664 but then I had to think about it, like, 892 00:35:00,732 --> 00:35:02,599 "Maybe that's really not Paula." 893 00:35:02,668 --> 00:35:04,501 I'm weirded out by all this. 894 00:35:04,570 --> 00:35:07,170 Still kinda disappointed in myself that I even thought 895 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,705 that this was a good idea to do 896 00:35:08,774 --> 00:35:10,941 'cause now I'm on TV, looking stupid. 897 00:35:11,009 --> 00:35:13,777 So I'm trying to, like, just keep my composure 898 00:35:13,846 --> 00:35:15,412 'cause we're on TV. 899 00:35:15,481 --> 00:35:17,714 I don't want to say something I can't take back. 900 00:35:17,783 --> 00:35:19,483 But after three and a half years of mine, 901 00:35:19,551 --> 00:35:21,384 you're not gonna get a friendship from me. 902 00:35:21,453 --> 00:35:26,223 I'ma just say that now. So that's it. 903 00:35:26,291 --> 00:35:28,358 - Okay. I understand. 904 00:35:28,427 --> 00:35:30,861 If I was put in your position, I'd be the same way. 905 00:35:30,929 --> 00:35:33,196 I'm not trying to embarrass anybody. 906 00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:37,501 - But I'm not trying to, and nor was that my intention. 907 00:35:37,569 --> 00:35:41,371 - You were deceiving Aaliyah behind the scenes into thinking 908 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,241 that she was actually going to meet the real Paula. 909 00:35:44,309 --> 00:35:46,910 That is how you were able to get here 910 00:35:46,979 --> 00:35:49,713 to this point right now and get on our show. 911 00:35:49,781 --> 00:35:51,448 And why even want to get on the show? 912 00:35:51,517 --> 00:35:54,351 - So I'm coming up here now to set the record straight 913 00:35:54,419 --> 00:35:55,719 and to come clean. 914 00:35:55,787 --> 00:35:57,921 I'm sure a lot of people are gonna see this. 915 00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:59,890 I'm sure a lot of people are gonna know of 916 00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:01,558 the real person behind the pictures, 917 00:36:01,627 --> 00:36:03,093 and that's why I'm here. 918 00:36:03,162 --> 00:36:04,794 - But you didn't need to do this to come clean. 919 00:36:04,863 --> 00:36:07,430 You could've just stopped lying and told people the truth. 920 00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:10,066 - Well, I didn't have any more of my accounts. 921 00:36:10,135 --> 00:36:12,102 I'm sure as, you know, you may know, like, 922 00:36:12,171 --> 00:36:14,971 my accounts have been deleted by Instagram. 923 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,873 So I didn't have the chance because I was gonna go on 924 00:36:16,942 --> 00:36:20,177 Instagram Live with Nayonni at one point, 925 00:36:20,245 --> 00:36:23,046 and tell everybody that Paula was not a real person. 926 00:36:23,115 --> 00:36:24,848 - But I don't believe that for a second. 927 00:36:24,917 --> 00:36:26,616 - But I could've easily-- - No. 928 00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:28,018 You would have kept doing that. 929 00:36:28,086 --> 00:36:29,686 You would've kept using the accounts 930 00:36:29,755 --> 00:36:31,121 if they hadn't been shut down. 931 00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:33,190 You got called multiple times by Nayonni... 932 00:36:33,258 --> 00:36:34,324 - Right. 933 00:36:34,393 --> 00:36:36,059 - Asking you to stop. And you didn't. 934 00:36:36,128 --> 00:36:37,928 And the only reason you may have slowed down 935 00:36:37,996 --> 00:36:40,964 was because Instagram did, thankfully, do their job 936 00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:42,465 and take down the multiple accounts 937 00:36:42,534 --> 00:36:43,934 that you've continued to make. 938 00:36:44,002 --> 00:36:45,502 One would get shut down, you'd make a new one. 939 00:36:45,571 --> 00:36:47,804 So don't tell me the only reason you decided to stop 940 00:36:47,873 --> 00:36:49,839 was because you couldn't get on your account 941 00:36:49,908 --> 00:36:51,274 and do a Facebook Live. 942 00:36:51,343 --> 00:36:54,177 - I didn't think that this was the only way to stop. 943 00:36:54,246 --> 00:36:55,779 You're kind of attacking me in a way, 944 00:36:55,847 --> 00:36:57,247 and I don't like that. 945 00:36:57,316 --> 00:37:00,083 I've tried to stop and it's not easy for me. 946 00:37:00,152 --> 00:37:01,952 I understand that I've hurt a lot of people. 947 00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:04,421 I understand that. 948 00:37:04,489 --> 00:37:07,190 I was young, I'm still young, and I'm still learning. 949 00:37:07,259 --> 00:37:09,459 You don't know what I struggle with every day. 950 00:37:09,528 --> 00:37:10,961 Yes, I'm a [bleep] up person. 951 00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:13,096 Yes, I've done [bleeped] up things to people. 952 00:37:13,165 --> 00:37:15,966 And I've had a lot of [bleep] up things done to me too. 953 00:37:16,034 --> 00:37:18,501 So, like, don't attack me. Like, don't do that. 954 00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:20,337 - I don't think that it's an attack. 955 00:37:20,405 --> 00:37:23,506 What I think is happening is it's hard to hear somebody, 956 00:37:23,575 --> 00:37:24,708 plain and simple, 957 00:37:24,776 --> 00:37:26,309 tell you exactly what the [bleep] it is 958 00:37:26,378 --> 00:37:28,178 that has been going on and what you have been doing, 959 00:37:28,247 --> 00:37:30,413 because sometimes when you're in it, 960 00:37:30,482 --> 00:37:32,482 it's hard to see the reality of the situation. 961 00:37:32,551 --> 00:37:33,950 - Exactly. 962 00:37:34,019 --> 00:37:35,352 - No one is negating what you've been through. 963 00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:37,754 Nayonni told us you've been through a lot, 964 00:37:37,823 --> 00:37:39,456 and everyone understands that. 965 00:37:39,524 --> 00:37:42,559 And I think it would be even more easy to empathize with you 966 00:37:42,628 --> 00:37:45,962 if we did not know the behind-the-scenes. 967 00:37:46,031 --> 00:37:48,698 That is where things take a turn for us. 968 00:37:48,767 --> 00:37:50,033 Our job is to help people, 969 00:37:50,102 --> 00:37:51,701 but when you are behind the scenes 970 00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:57,207 actively and maliciously trying to make some [bleep] pop, 971 00:37:57,276 --> 00:37:58,575 we have to call you out on that. 972 00:37:58,644 --> 00:38:01,578 - Right. 973 00:38:01,647 --> 00:38:03,046 - This is, like, a real addiction 974 00:38:03,115 --> 00:38:04,748 and a real issue for me. 975 00:38:04,816 --> 00:38:08,084 So the way that I might've went about it to come-- 976 00:38:08,153 --> 00:38:09,719 To be on here and to come on here 977 00:38:09,788 --> 00:38:11,955 might have been, like, [bleep] up. 978 00:38:12,024 --> 00:38:13,590 But I'm still here. 979 00:38:13,659 --> 00:38:15,659 We want for you to be able to put these pages behind you 980 00:38:15,727 --> 00:38:17,827 and move forward, but in order to move forward, 981 00:38:17,896 --> 00:38:22,198 we have to acknowledge how we even got to this point. 982 00:38:22,267 --> 00:38:25,602 - I think that this was wrong, you know, as far as, like, 983 00:38:25,671 --> 00:38:29,539 you know, me keeping in contact with Aaliyah 984 00:38:29,608 --> 00:38:32,542 and, you know, portraying that I'm still this person, 985 00:38:32,611 --> 00:38:34,878 but in all honesty, I did like Aaliyah. 986 00:38:34,946 --> 00:38:36,346 Like, there was a connection from me. 987 00:38:36,415 --> 00:38:38,715 Like, it's not like that was fake. 988 00:38:38,784 --> 00:38:40,050 I'm sorry that I put you 989 00:38:40,118 --> 00:38:41,651 in this position in the first place. 990 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:43,753 I think that I could've told you in a different way, 991 00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:45,221 most definitely, 992 00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:46,823 rather than leading you to believe something else. 993 00:38:46,892 --> 00:38:50,427 That was a dick move, and I'm really sorry for that. 994 00:38:50,495 --> 00:38:52,462 And I'm really sorry for everything. 995 00:38:52,531 --> 00:38:54,297 You shared a lot of personal information with me 996 00:38:54,366 --> 00:38:58,435 not only in your life, but your body, 997 00:38:58,503 --> 00:39:02,172 and that's not okay to do to anybody. 998 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,009 - The nude pictures that you got from Aaliyah, 999 00:39:06,078 --> 00:39:08,945 where are those pictures now? 1000 00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:10,513 - As the accounts got deleted, 1001 00:39:10,582 --> 00:39:13,450 those pictures also got deleted with the accounts. 1002 00:39:13,518 --> 00:39:17,087 And, yeah, I'm really sorry for that. 1003 00:39:17,155 --> 00:39:20,056 Nobody deserves that. 1004 00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:28,264 - It's not that I don't accept your apology or nothing. 1005 00:39:28,333 --> 00:39:31,468 I'm just, like, I'm kinda ready for all of this to be over. 1006 00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:35,038 - So that's the big question. Is this all over? 1007 00:39:35,107 --> 00:39:38,675 Are you ready to say 1008 00:39:38,744 --> 00:39:40,977 you won't use fake profiles, 1009 00:39:41,046 --> 00:39:44,781 you won't speak to anyone, and just be you? 1010 00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:49,252 - I would say that I'm done with the fake accounts. 1011 00:39:49,321 --> 00:39:52,655 I'm sorry, Aaliyah, for everything that I've done. 1012 00:39:52,724 --> 00:39:55,825 - ♪ Should be locked behind bars ♪ 1013 00:39:55,894 --> 00:40:01,264 - We wish you the best and hope that this is the end. 1014 00:40:01,333 --> 00:40:02,499 - Yeah. 1015 00:40:02,567 --> 00:40:04,167 - It's been way too long, I think we all agree, 1016 00:40:04,236 --> 00:40:05,668 so I'm glad this is over. 1017 00:40:05,737 --> 00:40:06,936 - Bye, guys. 1018 00:40:07,005 --> 00:40:08,071 - Good luck with everything. 1019 00:40:08,140 --> 00:40:09,172 - Bye, thank you for coming. 1020 00:40:09,241 --> 00:40:10,673 - Thank you for having me. 1021 00:40:10,742 --> 00:40:13,042 - All right, well, look. She's out of your life. 1022 00:40:13,111 --> 00:40:15,345 - Yeah, this is a weird day. 1023 00:40:15,414 --> 00:40:18,448 - Sorry for the craziness, but you also provided some. 1024 00:40:18,517 --> 00:40:21,351 - Yeah. Don't dig yourself a hole like that in the future. 1025 00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:23,186 - Yeah, 'cause this was way too much. 1026 00:40:23,255 --> 00:40:24,821 This was extra. 1027 00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:26,756 - All right, all right. It was great meeting you. 1028 00:40:26,825 --> 00:40:29,359 - It was nice meeting you guys. - Bye, Aaliyah. 1029 00:40:29,428 --> 00:40:31,628 - Goodbye, guys. - Bye. 1030 00:40:34,699 --> 00:40:40,537 - ♪ Funny how danger keeps me coming ♪ 1031 00:40:40,605 --> 00:40:44,274 ♪ Funny how I crash but keep on longing ♪ 1032 00:40:44,342 --> 00:40:47,277 ♪ Can I grow up? ♪ 1033 00:40:47,345 --> 00:40:49,345 ♪ Can I grow up? ♪ 1034 00:40:52,517 --> 00:40:53,950 - For two years, Naiji has been talking to Ciana, 1035 00:40:54,019 --> 00:40:55,585 who may not even be real. 1036 00:40:55,654 --> 00:40:57,320 - She just really, like, bring out this vibe, 1037 00:40:57,389 --> 00:40:59,022 like that you wanna be around her. 1038 00:40:59,090 --> 00:41:01,157 - Let's look up the phone number. 1039 00:41:01,226 --> 00:41:03,293 Wow. Zero. - That's suspicious. 1040 00:41:03,361 --> 00:41:06,062 - I feel like I'm getting like used or played, 1041 00:41:06,131 --> 00:41:07,697 and I hate that feeling. [chimes] 1042 00:41:07,766 --> 00:41:10,033 - Oh. - Oh, [bleep].