1 00:00:00,901 --> 00:00:02,034 - Michael has been talking 2 00:00:02,103 --> 00:00:03,502 to this guy, Dustin, for three years. 3 00:00:03,571 --> 00:00:06,205 He's been stood up by Dustin five times. 4 00:00:06,273 --> 00:00:08,173 - Michael. - If you have been lying, 5 00:00:08,242 --> 00:00:09,908 I am onto you. - He's married. 6 00:00:09,977 --> 00:00:11,877 - What's uglier than infidelity 7 00:00:11,946 --> 00:00:13,412 and a possible divorce? 8 00:00:13,481 --> 00:00:14,780 - We have an address. 9 00:00:14,849 --> 00:00:16,715 That's right in, like, part of downtown. 10 00:00:16,784 --> 00:00:18,684 - Say no more. I'll go check it out. 11 00:00:18,753 --> 00:00:21,353 - Turn right on Hope, which is coming up any moment. 12 00:00:21,422 --> 00:00:24,089 Ooh, that is a warehouse. 13 00:00:24,158 --> 00:00:25,124 What? 14 00:00:25,192 --> 00:00:26,358 - Uh-oh. 15 00:00:29,597 --> 00:00:32,531 [upbeat music] 16 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,467 - Kamie. 17 00:00:35,536 --> 00:00:37,736 Wassup? 18 00:00:38,706 --> 00:00:40,606 - Hello. - Hey. 19 00:00:40,674 --> 00:00:42,908 - I need to get my lip liner. - You don't need it. 20 00:00:42,977 --> 00:00:45,344 - Yes, I do. How are the kids? 21 00:00:45,413 --> 00:00:47,679 - Beau is fully potty trained. 22 00:00:47,748 --> 00:00:48,881 - [gasps] 23 00:00:48,949 --> 00:00:50,182 - We didn't even need to train him. 24 00:00:50,251 --> 00:00:52,151 - Yay! - We just took the diapers away 25 00:00:52,219 --> 00:00:55,154 and then just magically, uses the toilet now. 26 00:00:55,222 --> 00:00:56,455 - He's a grown-ass man. 27 00:00:56,524 --> 00:00:58,557 [laughs] - It's crazy. 28 00:00:58,626 --> 00:01:00,292 - All right. - She's ready. 29 00:01:00,361 --> 00:01:02,594 Let's check out what we got. 30 00:01:02,663 --> 00:01:08,133 Oh, we got an email. The sender is Just Michael. 31 00:01:08,202 --> 00:01:13,272 - And the subject is: Love of my life or a stalker? - Well, th 32 00:01:13,340 --> 00:01:15,474 - If you have to ask, probably the latter. 33 00:01:15,543 --> 00:01:16,642 - [laughs] 34 00:01:16,710 --> 00:01:19,778 Hello, King Nev and Queen Kamie. 35 00:01:19,847 --> 00:01:21,747 - This is how I want to be addressed. 36 00:01:21,816 --> 00:01:23,982 - Finally. - [laughs] 37 00:01:24,051 --> 00:01:26,819 - My name is Michael. I'm originally from Texas, 38 00:01:26,887 --> 00:01:28,921 but I currently reside in Las Vegas. 39 00:01:28,989 --> 00:01:32,057 Back in 2017, I was contacted by a guy named Dustin, 40 00:01:32,126 --> 00:01:35,360 who randomly messaged me from a number I didn't know. 41 00:01:35,429 --> 00:01:38,063 He claims that we had spoken previously, 42 00:01:38,132 --> 00:01:40,933 but I have no recollection of ever having spoken to him. 43 00:01:41,001 --> 00:01:44,169 Either way, he was super sexy and a zaddy. 44 00:01:44,238 --> 00:01:47,473 We hit it off and we planned a date, 45 00:01:47,541 --> 00:01:50,342 but Dustin went ghost. 46 00:01:50,411 --> 00:01:53,045 - ♪ 'Cause we are modern lovers ♪ 47 00:01:53,114 --> 00:01:54,980 ♪ Hanging on each other ♪ 48 00:01:55,049 --> 00:01:57,950 - Since then I've been stood up by Dustin... 49 00:01:59,487 --> 00:02:02,221 - What? - Five times. 50 00:02:02,289 --> 00:02:03,989 - So why are we even still talking about this? 51 00:02:04,058 --> 00:02:09,061 - I've tried to ghost him, but he keeps popping back up. 52 00:02:09,130 --> 00:02:11,997 I still really like him a lot and I want him to be the one, 53 00:02:12,066 --> 00:02:16,235 but I am worried this guy is a catfish. 54 00:02:16,303 --> 00:02:19,004 He told me he doesn't have social media, 55 00:02:19,073 --> 00:02:22,641 but I did some digging and I found a page. 56 00:02:22,710 --> 00:02:24,209 He might be hiding something. 57 00:02:24,278 --> 00:02:25,978 ♪ ♪ 58 00:02:26,046 --> 00:02:29,281 I want to finally meet Dustin and date him for real, 59 00:02:29,350 --> 00:02:32,084 but I'm afraid something really weird might be going on. 60 00:02:32,153 --> 00:02:36,455 Dustin could be the love of my life or a total stalker. 61 00:02:36,524 --> 00:02:39,291 Help! - ♪ This is modern love ♪ 62 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,961 - Thanks, Texas Prince, Michael. 63 00:02:43,030 --> 00:02:46,165 Wow. They met three years ago. 64 00:02:46,233 --> 00:02:47,833 - But he's ghosted him five times 65 00:02:47,902 --> 00:02:50,502 so that cancels out the three years. 66 00:02:50,571 --> 00:02:51,904 - We gotta talk to Michael. 67 00:02:51,972 --> 00:02:57,342 Hey, Michael, it's King Nev and Queen Kamie. 68 00:02:57,411 --> 00:02:59,478 He wrote back. Hello, king and queen. 69 00:02:59,547 --> 00:03:01,013 Oh, my God, seriously? 70 00:03:01,081 --> 00:03:02,214 - Yaas. 71 00:03:02,283 --> 00:03:04,416 - Come Zoom with us 72 00:03:04,485 --> 00:03:09,021 and spill all the tea. 73 00:03:09,089 --> 00:03:10,055 - [gasps] 74 00:03:10,124 --> 00:03:11,423 - Hello. 75 00:03:11,492 --> 00:03:13,125 - Oh! - Michael. 76 00:03:13,194 --> 00:03:15,027 - Hey. 77 00:03:15,095 --> 00:03:18,430 - I have something special I would love to show you. 78 00:03:18,499 --> 00:03:19,631 - Oh. - Yes. 79 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:21,200 - Oh, yeah. 80 00:03:21,268 --> 00:03:24,636 - So this is for you both, my king and queen. 81 00:03:24,705 --> 00:03:26,939 - I'm putting it on. - Perfect. 82 00:03:27,007 --> 00:03:29,107 - I'm modeling it over my bun. 83 00:03:29,176 --> 00:03:31,076 - Yes, you're doing great. 84 00:03:31,145 --> 00:03:32,744 - How are things in Las Vegas? 85 00:03:32,813 --> 00:03:34,680 - People are trying to be as safe as possible. 86 00:03:34,748 --> 00:03:38,717 The strip does not look like the strip you both might know. 87 00:03:38,786 --> 00:03:39,818 - And what do you do in Las Vegas? 88 00:03:39,887 --> 00:03:42,087 - So I'm a special events manager. 89 00:03:42,156 --> 00:03:45,624 - I know for you to be an event planner 90 00:03:45,693 --> 00:03:49,127 means that you get [bleep] done. 91 00:03:49,196 --> 00:03:51,330 So for you to not be able 92 00:03:51,398 --> 00:03:55,000 to sort of make that first date happen, is crazy. 93 00:03:55,069 --> 00:03:57,336 - Mm-hmm. - It was odd because 94 00:03:57,404 --> 00:03:58,670 when we first met, 95 00:03:58,739 --> 00:04:00,372 he messages me from a number 96 00:04:00,441 --> 00:04:02,908 that I did not recognize at all. 97 00:04:02,977 --> 00:04:05,811 - So you just randomly get a text message. 98 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:08,280 - Yes. Someone had my phone number. 99 00:04:08,349 --> 00:04:10,882 - If someone was looking up an event coordinator in Las Vegas, 100 00:04:10,951 --> 00:04:12,150 would they find your website 101 00:04:12,219 --> 00:04:13,819 and would it have your phone number on it? 102 00:04:13,887 --> 00:04:15,687 - For sure. My number has been listed publicly. 103 00:04:15,756 --> 00:04:18,090 So initially getting that message, I was like, 104 00:04:18,158 --> 00:04:19,524 "I am not too sure who you are." 105 00:04:19,593 --> 00:04:21,960 And he was like, "We talked a while back 106 00:04:22,029 --> 00:04:23,862 "and I was going through my phone 107 00:04:23,931 --> 00:04:25,430 "and I came across your number 108 00:04:25,499 --> 00:04:27,432 and I remembered how cute you were." 109 00:04:27,501 --> 00:04:28,634 So for me, I'm thinking, 110 00:04:28,702 --> 00:04:31,403 "Okay, well, he remembers what I look like." 111 00:04:31,472 --> 00:04:33,105 - You mean because you are cute. 112 00:04:33,173 --> 00:04:35,974 So for him to say "you're so cute," you're like, 113 00:04:36,043 --> 00:04:37,309 "Oh, he must know what I look like." 114 00:04:37,378 --> 00:04:39,044 - He's talking about me. He's talking about me. 115 00:04:39,113 --> 00:04:41,446 - Maybe he's got the right Michael. 116 00:04:41,515 --> 00:04:44,950 - So the first text message you got, this was back in 2017. 117 00:04:45,019 --> 00:04:47,352 - Correct. I'm single, and at that point, 118 00:04:47,421 --> 00:04:49,554 Dustin messages me the photos of him. 119 00:04:49,623 --> 00:04:52,624 - You said he was fine. - He is. He is. 120 00:04:52,693 --> 00:04:55,427 And he was pretty charming. 121 00:04:55,496 --> 00:04:58,030 He also told me he was a lawyer in Los Angeles. 122 00:04:58,098 --> 00:05:00,432 He's professional, seems like he has his own, 123 00:05:00,501 --> 00:05:03,468 and he wants a family, so we bonded over that. 124 00:05:03,537 --> 00:05:06,204 I thought the conversation was just so easy, 125 00:05:06,273 --> 00:05:07,806 and he spoke to me about 126 00:05:07,875 --> 00:05:11,243 how his ex cheated on him in their own home. 127 00:05:11,312 --> 00:05:12,978 And so we kind of bonded over that as well 128 00:05:13,047 --> 00:05:15,347 because I've been in relationships in the past 129 00:05:15,416 --> 00:05:17,149 where I personally as well was cheated on. 130 00:05:17,217 --> 00:05:19,618 And so things like that, we bonded over. 131 00:05:19,687 --> 00:05:21,353 Like, there was just so many things I felt were compatible. 132 00:05:21,422 --> 00:05:22,554 Great person, 133 00:05:22,623 --> 00:05:24,089 funny, good-looking, all these things-- 134 00:05:24,158 --> 00:05:26,792 things that I'm looking for in a life partner. 135 00:05:26,860 --> 00:05:30,228 I didn't get any red flags 136 00:05:30,297 --> 00:05:31,496 based off of what he was saying to me. 137 00:05:31,565 --> 00:05:33,432 - So what was the first red flag? 138 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:37,135 - [sighs] So the first red flag for me... 139 00:05:37,204 --> 00:05:38,637 I was in Los Angeles, 140 00:05:38,706 --> 00:05:41,073 but Dustin decided that he would like to go on a date. 141 00:05:41,141 --> 00:05:42,407 He wanted to meet up. 142 00:05:42,476 --> 00:05:44,876 He says, "My roommate is out for the night. 143 00:05:44,945 --> 00:05:46,311 "So I wanted to know 144 00:05:46,380 --> 00:05:48,213 "if maybe you wanted to come over to my house. 145 00:05:48,282 --> 00:05:49,881 Here's my address." But when he gave me the address 146 00:05:49,950 --> 00:05:51,683 there wasn't an apartment number listed. 147 00:05:51,752 --> 00:05:54,486 It was just here's the address. I then said to him, 148 00:05:54,555 --> 00:05:56,154 "Let me know when you're ready." 149 00:05:56,223 --> 00:05:58,323 No response. And then I messaged him again. 150 00:05:58,392 --> 00:06:01,226 "What's going on?" No response. 151 00:06:01,295 --> 00:06:05,397 After, like, two hours, I just was like, I'm good. 152 00:06:05,466 --> 00:06:08,200 Early the next afternoon, he responds back and he says 153 00:06:08,268 --> 00:06:09,668 that he was in the shower 154 00:06:09,737 --> 00:06:10,969 and when he got out of the shower, 155 00:06:11,038 --> 00:06:12,204 he dropped his phone 156 00:06:12,272 --> 00:06:14,339 and, like, his phone had broke in 157 00:06:14,408 --> 00:06:16,208 and he wasn't able to respond. 158 00:06:16,276 --> 00:06:17,676 He was like, "I thought you were gonna come over. 159 00:06:17,745 --> 00:06:19,778 I don't know what happened." And I'm thinking, 160 00:06:19,847 --> 00:06:23,482 "How was I gonna come over when you weren't responding? 161 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:25,951 and I don't know your apartment?" Like-- 162 00:06:26,019 --> 00:06:27,419 - Throw pebbles at every window. 163 00:06:27,488 --> 00:06:30,322 - Right, because of everything else prior, 164 00:06:30,391 --> 00:06:32,557 and I felt that he had been genuine, 165 00:06:32,626 --> 00:06:35,260 I let that go, but after this incident, 166 00:06:35,329 --> 00:06:36,928 he would communicate with me 167 00:06:36,997 --> 00:06:39,231 from other phone numbers. 168 00:06:39,299 --> 00:06:40,732 - Michael. - Here's the thing. 169 00:06:40,801 --> 00:06:43,502 I would go back to that initial number of messaging him, 170 00:06:43,570 --> 00:06:45,570 and then he would respond on that too. 171 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:46,905 - Hm. 172 00:06:46,974 --> 00:06:48,807 - I'm thinking if he's a lawyer and if he does business, 173 00:06:48,876 --> 00:06:50,242 maybe he has work phones. 174 00:06:50,310 --> 00:06:52,444 - Obviously, this is all via text message initially. 175 00:06:52,513 --> 00:06:56,214 How if in any way did the relationship evolve? 176 00:06:56,283 --> 00:06:57,716 - I've only ever texted with Dustin. 177 00:06:57,785 --> 00:06:58,950 - In three years? 178 00:06:59,019 --> 00:07:00,886 - I know. - Wow. 179 00:07:00,954 --> 00:07:02,587 - I know I should know better. 180 00:07:02,656 --> 00:07:04,256 - Well-- - Yes. 181 00:07:04,324 --> 00:07:07,125 - Give it to me. I deserve it. - [laughs] 182 00:07:07,194 --> 00:07:08,627 - I have to take responsibility. 183 00:07:08,695 --> 00:07:12,731 When I did attempt to push for a video chat, 184 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,568 or getting on a phone, he wouldn't respond. 185 00:07:16,637 --> 00:07:18,970 Like, it was just always something odd. 186 00:07:19,039 --> 00:07:20,672 - Do you even know his last name? 187 00:07:20,741 --> 00:07:24,476 - The last name that he gave me was Shaker. 188 00:07:24,545 --> 00:07:26,278 - So where are you guys at now? 189 00:07:26,346 --> 00:07:27,846 You say you've ghosted him. 190 00:07:27,915 --> 00:07:31,416 - Yeah, but recently he reaches out again 191 00:07:31,485 --> 00:07:33,485 to see if we can rekindle and restart. 192 00:07:33,554 --> 00:07:36,455 - Ugh! - And it's a new number. 193 00:07:36,523 --> 00:07:39,558 - In your email to us you said, "Is he a stalker?" 194 00:07:39,626 --> 00:07:44,696 - This has been years of you continuously reaching out 195 00:07:44,765 --> 00:07:47,365 after I've stopped responding to you. 196 00:07:47,434 --> 00:07:49,167 You're hitting me up from different numbers. 197 00:07:49,236 --> 00:07:50,902 That's why I say stalker 'cause this is a little crazy. 198 00:07:50,971 --> 00:07:52,237 - Right. 199 00:07:52,306 --> 00:07:54,139 - He then told me he was going to Hawaii 200 00:07:54,208 --> 00:07:56,274 because he needed to get out of LA. 201 00:07:56,343 --> 00:07:58,877 That's where he's supposed to be at right now, 202 00:07:58,946 --> 00:08:00,645 but I did some more sleuthing. 203 00:08:00,714 --> 00:08:02,981 When we first had spoken years ago, 204 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:04,282 he told me he did not have social media 205 00:08:04,351 --> 00:08:06,184 but I did reverse Google image search... 206 00:08:06,253 --> 00:08:08,620 - Thatta boy. - Finally. 207 00:08:08,689 --> 00:08:11,356 - I found him on Instagram with his name spelled 208 00:08:11,425 --> 00:08:13,558 instead of D-U-S-T-I-N, 209 00:08:13,627 --> 00:08:15,093 it was like, D-U... [bleep] 210 00:08:15,162 --> 00:08:17,329 The number ten. His profile is private, 211 00:08:17,397 --> 00:08:20,632 but he says he's the father to three cats. 212 00:08:20,701 --> 00:08:23,034 Each of the cats have an Instagram page. 213 00:08:23,103 --> 00:08:24,402 - All right, hold on. Hold on. 214 00:08:24,471 --> 00:08:27,906 I'm about to bring it up. I found it. 215 00:08:27,975 --> 00:08:29,474 - That's him. - Oh, this is him? 216 00:08:29,543 --> 00:08:32,344 Okay. - Very cute. 217 00:08:32,412 --> 00:08:35,780 - He owns all of these cats. - These are his cats? 218 00:08:36,450 --> 00:08:39,684 Whoa, wait. These are like, famous cat accounts. 219 00:08:39,753 --> 00:08:40,919 - What? 220 00:08:40,988 --> 00:08:43,388 - They have hundreds of thousands of followers. 221 00:08:43,457 --> 00:08:45,290 - This cat is cute. - Very cute cat. 222 00:08:45,359 --> 00:08:48,059 - Cute cat. - Oh, wait, here, look. 223 00:08:49,096 --> 00:08:51,429 - That's him. Is he tagged? 224 00:08:51,498 --> 00:08:52,797 - Yes. 225 00:08:52,866 --> 00:08:55,433 - Yeah. - Can we go to Winona the cat? 226 00:08:55,502 --> 00:08:57,802 This is crazy. Scrolling below. 227 00:08:59,339 --> 00:09:02,207 - That's a different gentleman who's in many other photos. 228 00:09:02,276 --> 00:09:06,311 You click on that gentleman's name, third photo-- 229 00:09:06,380 --> 00:09:07,712 - Wait a minute. 230 00:09:07,781 --> 00:09:09,748 - Wait a second. - [gasps] 231 00:09:09,816 --> 00:09:12,951 - So they're married. - They are married. 232 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:14,953 - Dustin is fully wed. 233 00:09:15,022 --> 00:09:17,289 - Dustin is married. 234 00:09:17,357 --> 00:09:20,559 - And this was like, this year. - This year. 235 00:09:20,627 --> 00:09:21,793 - Whoa. 236 00:09:21,862 --> 00:09:25,830 - And I found this after I reached out to you. 237 00:09:25,899 --> 00:09:27,532 - I'm gagged. 238 00:09:27,601 --> 00:09:30,468 - I'm embarrassed to even think about the fact 239 00:09:30,537 --> 00:09:32,404 that I've been involving myself 240 00:09:32,472 --> 00:09:34,839 with an engaged or married person. 241 00:09:34,908 --> 00:09:37,409 - Did you confront him? - I added him 242 00:09:37,477 --> 00:09:38,643 and I'm waiting to see 243 00:09:38,712 --> 00:09:41,012 if he actually accepts me as a friend. 244 00:09:41,081 --> 00:09:42,681 - Ooh! - So at this point, 245 00:09:42,749 --> 00:09:44,583 if you have been lying, 246 00:09:44,651 --> 00:09:47,886 you now will see that I am on to you. 247 00:09:47,955 --> 00:09:49,621 - Ooh! 248 00:09:49,690 --> 00:09:51,923 - This is just way too much at this point. 249 00:09:51,992 --> 00:09:53,792 I'm tired of waiting. 250 00:09:53,860 --> 00:09:55,827 Why would you reach out to me to say, 251 00:09:55,896 --> 00:09:57,128 "Oh, I'm going to Hawaii"? 252 00:09:57,197 --> 00:10:00,599 - He's on his honeymoon. - On my "honeymoon." 253 00:10:00,667 --> 00:10:04,436 - Yeah, so like, this is just so much. 254 00:10:04,504 --> 00:10:09,307 - We could message the page you found and ask him? 255 00:10:09,376 --> 00:10:10,842 - Will that even confirm it? 256 00:10:10,911 --> 00:10:13,912 Because if the real Dustin is the guy in the profiles 257 00:10:13,981 --> 00:10:16,247 and he's potentially cheating, is he gonna be like, 258 00:10:16,316 --> 00:10:18,817 "Yep, that was me, caught red-handed," 259 00:10:18,885 --> 00:10:20,785 or is he gonna [bleep] lie about it? 260 00:10:20,854 --> 00:10:21,886 - Whew. 261 00:10:21,955 --> 00:10:24,889 - If your two options are that it is Dustin, 262 00:10:24,958 --> 00:10:26,825 he's just been hiding his relationship 263 00:10:26,893 --> 00:10:28,393 and now husband from you, 264 00:10:28,462 --> 00:10:32,330 or it's someone else who actually might be single, 265 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:34,132 which would you rather it be? 266 00:10:34,201 --> 00:10:36,835 - I think that I would-- - You want it to be him. 267 00:10:36,903 --> 00:10:39,204 - I want it to be Dustin. - All right. 268 00:10:39,272 --> 00:10:41,406 - I thought that he was really trying to develop 269 00:10:41,475 --> 00:10:43,708 something serious with me-- 270 00:10:43,777 --> 00:10:45,043 you know, hopefully being married, 271 00:10:45,112 --> 00:10:46,945 having a little family one day. 272 00:10:47,014 --> 00:10:50,982 Just thought there was possibly an option of exploring that. 273 00:10:51,051 --> 00:10:52,584 - Yeah. 274 00:10:52,653 --> 00:10:56,788 - But at this point, I have questions and I want answers. 275 00:10:56,857 --> 00:10:59,991 - Let us--let us see what we can find out. 276 00:11:00,060 --> 00:11:02,427 I appreciate it and hope to talk with you again soon. 277 00:11:02,496 --> 00:11:04,863 - Later. - Bye. 278 00:11:04,931 --> 00:11:06,665 - What do you think? 279 00:11:06,733 --> 00:11:10,301 - I think we're in some [bleep]. 280 00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:12,237 Michael has feelings for Dustin. 281 00:11:12,305 --> 00:11:14,606 It's not good to find out any information, 282 00:11:14,675 --> 00:11:16,541 let alone the fact that this person is married 283 00:11:16,610 --> 00:11:18,576 and probably on a romantic vacation. 284 00:11:18,645 --> 00:11:20,245 - Ugh. - Either way, 285 00:11:20,313 --> 00:11:22,547 this does not end positively, period. 286 00:11:22,616 --> 00:11:24,949 There's no way that this is going to end well 287 00:11:25,018 --> 00:11:26,184 for both parties. 288 00:11:26,253 --> 00:11:27,886 Somebody is getting [bleep]. 289 00:11:31,491 --> 00:11:34,092 - ♪ Whoa, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 290 00:11:34,161 --> 00:11:37,696 ♪ Whoa, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 291 00:11:37,764 --> 00:11:41,266 - I see you've got your investigation goggles on. 292 00:11:41,334 --> 00:11:42,634 - They're my blue light glasses. 293 00:11:42,703 --> 00:11:44,436 If we're gonna keep doing this [bleep], 294 00:11:44,504 --> 00:11:47,605 I gotta protect my corneas or the iris or whatever it is. 295 00:11:47,674 --> 00:11:49,074 - They look good though, I have to say. 296 00:11:49,142 --> 00:11:50,608 - Thanks. 297 00:11:50,677 --> 00:11:52,577 - All right, let's see. Where do we start with this? 298 00:11:52,646 --> 00:11:54,879 So okay, so Michael's been talking to this guy Dustin. 299 00:11:54,948 --> 00:11:58,717 It's been over three years. It looks very catfishy. 300 00:11:58,785 --> 00:12:00,351 Michael got sent a photo of Dustin 301 00:12:00,420 --> 00:12:01,720 that he image searched, 302 00:12:01,788 --> 00:12:05,323 which actually came back with a hit to a profile. 303 00:12:05,392 --> 00:12:07,726 The guy is the same in the picture on the page 304 00:12:07,794 --> 00:12:09,794 as he is in the picture that he sent. 305 00:12:09,863 --> 00:12:12,430 So two very distinct possibilities. 306 00:12:12,499 --> 00:12:16,401 One, that Michael is talking to a guy 307 00:12:16,470 --> 00:12:18,436 who is in a relationship and now married, 308 00:12:18,505 --> 00:12:21,239 or that it's not that guy 309 00:12:21,308 --> 00:12:23,308 and that someone's catfishing Michael 310 00:12:23,376 --> 00:12:26,277 with a real guy and name 311 00:12:26,346 --> 00:12:27,946 and it's just someone entirely different. 312 00:12:28,014 --> 00:12:30,815 - Which sucks because then that could be someone's new marriage 313 00:12:30,884 --> 00:12:32,717 that could get broken up 314 00:12:32,786 --> 00:12:35,954 because of some bull[bleep] somebody else is concocting. 315 00:12:36,022 --> 00:12:37,422 - Right. 316 00:12:37,491 --> 00:12:39,791 Okay, so let's--let's see what we got here. 317 00:12:39,860 --> 00:12:43,094 - Thanks for your help, guys. You truly are royalty. 318 00:12:43,163 --> 00:12:44,496 Here's everything I know on Dustin. 319 00:12:44,564 --> 00:12:45,730 His name is Dustin Shaker, 320 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:48,399 and he's a lawyer in Los Angeles. 321 00:12:48,468 --> 00:12:50,201 He's got two of his phone numbers, 322 00:12:50,270 --> 00:12:52,470 Both are 424, which is Los Angeles 323 00:12:52,539 --> 00:12:58,176 and then an address which is 414 West 12th street. 324 00:12:58,245 --> 00:12:59,778 - That's downtown. - And then he said, 325 00:12:59,846 --> 00:13:01,446 "I've attached the pictures here that he has sent me. 326 00:13:01,515 --> 00:13:04,048 Good luck. I hope you have good news." 327 00:13:04,117 --> 00:13:06,351 What should we start with? 328 00:13:06,419 --> 00:13:07,585 - I mean, he ran the picture. 329 00:13:07,654 --> 00:13:09,587 That's how he found the Instagram. 330 00:13:09,656 --> 00:13:12,223 - Yeah. I think we should run the phone numbers. 331 00:13:12,292 --> 00:13:15,827 Let's do a phone look-up here. 332 00:13:15,896 --> 00:13:16,828 Nothing. 333 00:13:16,897 --> 00:13:18,129 - How many other ones did he send? 334 00:13:18,198 --> 00:13:19,330 - Just one other one, 335 00:13:19,399 --> 00:13:21,432 which is the most recent number. 336 00:13:21,501 --> 00:13:23,501 So let's try that. Okay, again, nothing. 337 00:13:23,570 --> 00:13:24,536 - Damn. 338 00:13:24,604 --> 00:13:26,671 - Yeah, I guess it's interesting 339 00:13:26,740 --> 00:13:29,874 Dustin gave Michael an actual address... 340 00:13:31,178 --> 00:13:32,944 So I feel like let's just see where that is 341 00:13:33,013 --> 00:13:35,280 because we don't often have an address. 342 00:13:35,348 --> 00:13:37,415 Usually doesn't happen that it's in Los Angeles. 343 00:13:37,484 --> 00:13:39,818 - Right, and downtown's not far from me. 344 00:13:39,886 --> 00:13:41,586 [pensive music] 345 00:13:41,655 --> 00:13:43,388 - Wow, I can't tell anything 346 00:13:43,456 --> 00:13:45,290 from the street view though, so-- 347 00:13:45,358 --> 00:13:47,125 - I'm basically there. I can pop up. 348 00:13:47,194 --> 00:13:48,026 - You might as well pop over there. 349 00:13:48,094 --> 00:13:49,360 - I'm down. 350 00:13:49,429 --> 00:13:50,895 - Whether or not that is an actual address 351 00:13:50,964 --> 00:13:53,198 where someone could live is important. 352 00:13:53,266 --> 00:13:54,966 - Mm-hmm. - Since you're so close, 353 00:13:55,035 --> 00:13:57,335 we might as well just sort of check that box. 354 00:13:57,404 --> 00:14:00,271 - Say no more. I'll go check it out. 355 00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:02,907 Biggie, let's roll. 356 00:14:02,976 --> 00:14:07,378 - All right, let me know once you're settled. 357 00:14:07,447 --> 00:14:08,880 - It's sunny out here. 358 00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:11,482 I haven't been outside in-- 359 00:14:11,551 --> 00:14:14,619 God, 48 hours at least. 360 00:14:14,688 --> 00:14:16,855 - But what else can we do while you're driving? 361 00:14:16,923 --> 00:14:21,059 I'm just gonna do a Google search for Dustin Shaker. 362 00:14:21,127 --> 00:14:22,594 Oh, that's weird. 363 00:14:22,662 --> 00:14:25,897 There's like no one named Dustin Shaker at all. 364 00:14:25,966 --> 00:14:27,632 Isn't that wild? 365 00:14:27,701 --> 00:14:29,234 - It's weird. - Yeah, right? 366 00:14:29,302 --> 00:14:31,469 - Kay, I'm passing Figueroa. 367 00:14:31,538 --> 00:14:35,373 - Oh, you're close now, so just turn right on Hope, 368 00:14:35,442 --> 00:14:36,841 which is, like, coming up any moment. 369 00:14:36,910 --> 00:14:39,010 - We're at a stop sign. - Right now. Go slow. 370 00:14:39,079 --> 00:14:41,312 - There's a man outside with a cute Frenchie. 371 00:14:41,381 --> 00:14:42,580 - [chuckles] 372 00:14:42,649 --> 00:14:44,482 - Is it 414? That's what he said? 373 00:14:44,551 --> 00:14:46,251 - That's what he sent us. Yeah. 374 00:14:46,319 --> 00:14:48,253 - I'm gonna get out and look around. 375 00:14:48,321 --> 00:14:50,488 - All right, so walk around. 376 00:14:50,557 --> 00:14:52,390 See if you can find whether or not that's residential. 377 00:14:52,459 --> 00:14:53,591 - Pitched. - All right. 378 00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:54,959 So while you're walking around, 379 00:14:55,028 --> 00:14:58,663 let me search Dustin's Instagram handle 380 00:14:58,732 --> 00:15:02,467 and just see if it's connected to any other social media. 381 00:15:03,536 --> 00:15:05,036 - Okay. - Wait, what's this? 382 00:15:05,105 --> 00:15:08,973 I've got a hit here on the dus10 handle. 383 00:15:09,042 --> 00:15:11,776 It says it found some potential owners, 384 00:15:11,845 --> 00:15:16,581 one of which is named D [bleep] or Dustin [bleep]. 385 00:15:16,650 --> 00:15:17,715 - So that could be his real last name. 386 00:15:17,784 --> 00:15:20,184 - That could be his real last name. 387 00:15:20,253 --> 00:15:23,321 - You said 413? - 414. 388 00:15:23,390 --> 00:15:26,724 - 414. What? 389 00:15:26,793 --> 00:15:28,626 - Technically it would be on the other side of the street 390 00:15:28,695 --> 00:15:30,929 'cause evens are on one side. Odds are on the other. 391 00:15:30,997 --> 00:15:36,000 - Whoa, that is a warehouse for lease. 392 00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:38,336 - Wow, that's crazy. 393 00:15:38,405 --> 00:15:40,972 So it feels like that address was bogus. 394 00:15:46,012 --> 00:15:47,245 - Right. 395 00:15:47,314 --> 00:15:48,713 All right, so that answers that question, I guess. 396 00:15:48,782 --> 00:15:49,914 - Right. 397 00:15:49,983 --> 00:15:52,850 - Now, we've got this new Dustin [bleep]. 398 00:15:53,687 --> 00:15:55,753 Whoa, wait a second. 399 00:15:55,822 --> 00:15:58,890 I just did a Facebook search for Dustin [bleep] 400 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:01,859 and what do you know? Our guy. 401 00:16:01,928 --> 00:16:04,929 So that's his real name, is Dustin [bleep]. 402 00:16:04,998 --> 00:16:06,764 - Shut up. - And it's a Facebook page 403 00:16:06,833 --> 00:16:08,599 and the background image is a picture of him 404 00:16:08,668 --> 00:16:12,704 and some guy, I assume his husband. 405 00:16:12,772 --> 00:16:14,973 It says he lives in West Hollywood, California. 406 00:16:15,041 --> 00:16:16,240 - Ooh. - I mean, this is him. 407 00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:17,608 This is his Facebook page. 408 00:16:17,677 --> 00:16:19,377 Wait, here's the picture from his wedding. 409 00:16:19,446 --> 00:16:21,479 - Well, we just don't know if that is 410 00:16:21,548 --> 00:16:22,981 who Michael is actually talking to. 411 00:16:24,317 --> 00:16:26,451 All right, well, then I'm just gonna send him a message. 412 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:28,019 All right, hey, Dustin. 413 00:16:28,088 --> 00:16:29,454 - Make it easy. 414 00:16:29,522 --> 00:16:31,990 - This is a--yeah, this is a touchy subject. 415 00:16:32,058 --> 00:16:35,560 'Cause if this isn't the guy, and his husband sees this-- 416 00:16:35,628 --> 00:16:36,861 - Well, yeah, that's what I was gonna say. 417 00:16:36,930 --> 00:16:41,699 I feel like we have to have a very delicate approach 418 00:16:41,768 --> 00:16:44,068 because we could be blowing up his spot. 419 00:16:44,137 --> 00:16:47,405 - Right. Working on an episode and would love to chat. 420 00:16:47,474 --> 00:16:50,308 Just keep it really simple. - Yeah. 421 00:16:50,377 --> 00:16:53,611 - Give me a call when you can. 422 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,446 All right, message sent. 423 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:57,882 - I mean, if it is that Dustin, 424 00:16:57,951 --> 00:16:59,584 he's probably not gonna respond to us the same way 425 00:16:59,652 --> 00:17:02,720 he's probably not gonna respond to Michael anymore. 426 00:17:02,789 --> 00:17:04,789 [phone dings] - Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 427 00:17:04,858 --> 00:17:06,124 I just got a response. 428 00:17:06,192 --> 00:17:08,259 He said not sure what you wanna talk about. 429 00:17:08,328 --> 00:17:10,695 I'm a happily married man. 430 00:17:10,764 --> 00:17:13,064 - We never said anything about your marriage. 431 00:17:13,133 --> 00:17:15,600 - Yeah, right? What's that about? 432 00:17:15,668 --> 00:17:17,402 - We did not bring that up. You did. 433 00:17:17,470 --> 00:17:18,503 - Super shady. 434 00:17:18,571 --> 00:17:20,671 - You did. Yeah, exactly. 435 00:17:20,740 --> 00:17:23,207 - I'm happily married too. 436 00:17:23,276 --> 00:17:28,613 I'll send you the Zoom link and I can explain then. 437 00:17:28,681 --> 00:17:29,981 - [chuckles] 438 00:17:30,050 --> 00:17:31,883 - Dustin may have just tipped his hand. 439 00:17:31,951 --> 00:17:34,285 Who texts that unless they're a cheater? 440 00:17:34,354 --> 00:17:36,020 This has to be our guy. 441 00:17:38,725 --> 00:17:39,757 - She's back. 442 00:17:39,826 --> 00:17:41,492 - I have returned from my journey. 443 00:17:41,561 --> 00:17:44,262 - Since we last spoke, Dustin responded. 444 00:17:44,330 --> 00:17:47,465 He said sounds good, smiley face, to let's talk. 445 00:17:47,534 --> 00:17:50,134 - Why would he immediately say "I'm happily married"? 446 00:17:50,203 --> 00:17:51,402 That's so weird. 447 00:17:51,471 --> 00:17:53,071 - I'm very suspicious right now. 448 00:17:53,139 --> 00:17:54,338 - What are we gonna ask him? 449 00:17:54,407 --> 00:17:56,174 - Maybe we should have Michael there. 450 00:17:56,242 --> 00:17:57,875 I'm really thinking this could be the guy. 451 00:17:57,944 --> 00:18:00,344 And if Michael's there, he can ask whatever questions 452 00:18:00,413 --> 00:18:01,979 he needs to ask to sort of 453 00:18:02,048 --> 00:18:04,115 get into the specifics of their relationship. 454 00:18:04,184 --> 00:18:06,451 You know, based on what the response he gets from-- 455 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:07,952 from Dustin is, it'll be very clear to him like, 456 00:18:08,021 --> 00:18:11,789 "Oh, no, this is obviously not who I've been talking to." 457 00:18:11,858 --> 00:18:14,358 - Right. - So let me text Michael. 458 00:18:14,427 --> 00:18:18,196 Hey, Michael. Come back in the Zoom. 459 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:22,166 - We're back. - Hey. 460 00:18:22,235 --> 00:18:23,334 - Ooh, hello. 461 00:18:23,403 --> 00:18:25,970 - You have missed quite the afternoon. 462 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:28,473 - [sighs] - So we did some work. 463 00:18:28,541 --> 00:18:32,276 We have something we definitely need you to see. 464 00:18:32,345 --> 00:18:34,112 - [sighs] - I'll walk you through. 465 00:18:34,180 --> 00:18:36,948 I'll share my--my screen here. 466 00:18:37,016 --> 00:18:39,584 Okay, we ran his phone numbers, 467 00:18:39,652 --> 00:18:42,720 and both of them came back with essentially nothing. 468 00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:45,289 So the only other thing we had was the address, 469 00:18:45,358 --> 00:18:47,558 and so Kamie hit the streets. 470 00:18:47,627 --> 00:18:49,894 - So basically when I got down there, 471 00:18:49,963 --> 00:18:53,197 that address, it's for lease. It's, like, a big warehouse 472 00:18:53,266 --> 00:18:56,534 and there's nothing going on in there. 473 00:18:56,603 --> 00:18:57,869 - Wow. Okay. 474 00:18:57,937 --> 00:19:00,605 - But to give you a bull[bleep] address 475 00:19:00,673 --> 00:19:05,910 is just more evidence that he could be a bull[bleep]. 476 00:19:05,979 --> 00:19:07,178 - [sighs] 477 00:19:07,247 --> 00:19:09,447 - How are you feeling about all this? 478 00:19:09,516 --> 00:19:13,618 - Yeah, right off the bat, I'm shocked. 479 00:19:13,686 --> 00:19:16,821 I'm anxious to kind of figure out what else is there 480 00:19:16,890 --> 00:19:20,057 that obviously I don't know and I've been lied to about. 481 00:19:20,126 --> 00:19:21,792 So it sucks. 482 00:19:21,861 --> 00:19:23,427 - Yeah. 483 00:19:23,496 --> 00:19:28,499 So we did a search for the dus10 username... 484 00:19:28,568 --> 00:19:30,735 - Mm-hmm. - And it came back with a hit. 485 00:19:30,803 --> 00:19:34,405 The owner of that handle is someone named D [bleep]. 486 00:19:34,474 --> 00:19:36,707 Potentially Dustin [bleep]. 487 00:19:36,776 --> 00:19:38,843 Now, obviously he told you his name was Dustin Shaker. 488 00:19:38,912 --> 00:19:40,545 - Correct. 489 00:19:40,613 --> 00:19:42,914 - I did a search for Dustin [bleep] and look what I found: 490 00:19:42,982 --> 00:19:46,484 a Facebook page for someone named Dustin [bleep]. 491 00:19:46,553 --> 00:19:49,654 - Wow, that's definitely him. 492 00:19:49,722 --> 00:19:51,522 - But if we keep scrolling, we actually see 493 00:19:51,591 --> 00:19:54,892 that the wedding photos-- and there are others. 494 00:19:54,961 --> 00:19:57,028 - Like, looking at this, 495 00:19:57,096 --> 00:19:59,830 I don't see anything that you've shown me 496 00:19:59,899 --> 00:20:02,366 that matches with what he's told me to be correct. 497 00:20:02,435 --> 00:20:04,569 - Right. - If this is his life, 498 00:20:04,637 --> 00:20:09,106 this explains why he was so up and down, off and on. 499 00:20:09,175 --> 00:20:11,576 This is embarrassing. It's insulting. 500 00:20:11,644 --> 00:20:13,477 It's so wrong on so many levels. 501 00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:14,745 - So we want to message him. 502 00:20:14,814 --> 00:20:16,514 We didn't wanna obviously start any [bleep] 503 00:20:16,583 --> 00:20:18,649 'cause we don't know what's going down here. 504 00:20:18,718 --> 00:20:19,850 So I just said, "Hey, Dustin." - Right. 505 00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:21,219 - "Working on an episode of 'Catfish,' 506 00:20:21,287 --> 00:20:22,687 and would love to chat. Give me a call." 507 00:20:22,755 --> 00:20:24,455 And he said, "Not sure what you want to talk about. 508 00:20:24,524 --> 00:20:26,924 I'm a happily married man," 509 00:20:26,993 --> 00:20:29,393 which considering what I said to him, 510 00:20:29,462 --> 00:20:31,395 sounds like a sketchy-ass response. 511 00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:34,098 - So if he gets on here and he acts funny, 512 00:20:34,167 --> 00:20:35,533 then we know it's him. 513 00:20:35,602 --> 00:20:37,401 [phone blips] - Whoa, wait a second. 514 00:20:37,470 --> 00:20:38,936 He actually just wrote and said, "I'm ready." 515 00:20:39,005 --> 00:20:40,338 - Whew. - So we were gonna say, 516 00:20:40,406 --> 00:20:41,973 if you're okay with it, 517 00:20:42,041 --> 00:20:45,209 can we bring him into the Zoom, and we can all talk to him. 518 00:20:45,278 --> 00:20:47,678 - Okay. - I'm gonna send him the link. 519 00:20:48,881 --> 00:20:52,250 - And then let's just see if he joins.. 520 00:20:52,318 --> 00:20:54,585 - Are you nervous? 521 00:20:54,654 --> 00:20:56,721 - I'm a bit anxious honestly... - Right. 522 00:20:56,789 --> 00:21:00,524 - Considering I haven't been able to get this man 523 00:21:00,593 --> 00:21:04,595 on a call or video in years. 524 00:21:05,398 --> 00:21:07,632 [tense music] 525 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:10,101 - Oh. - Hey, what's up, man? 526 00:21:10,169 --> 00:21:11,435 - How's it going? 527 00:21:11,504 --> 00:21:13,170 - Hey. - Good, how are you? 528 00:21:13,239 --> 00:21:16,440 - I'm good, I'm good. How are you guys? 529 00:21:16,509 --> 00:21:17,608 - Good. 530 00:21:17,677 --> 00:21:22,280 - So as you know, I'm Nev, this is Kamie, 531 00:21:22,348 --> 00:21:23,914 and we're here with our friend Michael. 532 00:21:23,983 --> 00:21:25,483 - Hi. 533 00:21:25,551 --> 00:21:27,251 - And we're making an episode of "Catfish" right now. 534 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,853 You're familiar with the show? 535 00:21:28,921 --> 00:21:31,289 - Yeah, correct, I am. - Okay, great. 536 00:21:31,357 --> 00:21:34,992 So basically Michael's been talking to a guy now 537 00:21:35,061 --> 00:21:36,694 for three years 538 00:21:36,763 --> 00:21:39,697 who says his name is Dustin and has sent pictures of you. 539 00:21:39,766 --> 00:21:41,065 - Okay. 540 00:21:41,134 --> 00:21:43,968 - And we're trying to figure out if that is you. 541 00:21:44,037 --> 00:21:46,304 Obviously, we understand this is a sensitive situation 542 00:21:46,372 --> 00:21:48,973 because you're married and we don't-- 543 00:21:49,042 --> 00:21:50,374 we don't wanna accuse you 544 00:21:50,443 --> 00:21:53,611 of being in an extramarital affair with Michael. 545 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,214 So we're just trying to clear this up. 546 00:21:57,283 --> 00:21:58,849 - Well, it's definitely not me. 547 00:21:58,918 --> 00:22:01,752 I mean, I've never met Michael before. 548 00:22:03,289 --> 00:22:05,956 - [sighs] 549 00:22:06,025 --> 00:22:10,094 - This Dustin person said that they were 32. 550 00:22:10,163 --> 00:22:13,064 They were a lawyer, lived in downtown Los Angeles. 551 00:22:13,132 --> 00:22:15,366 I mean, I do live in Los Angeles. 552 00:22:15,435 --> 00:22:16,801 I'm not an attorney. 553 00:22:16,869 --> 00:22:20,171 I'm kind of curious who's been using my pictures 554 00:22:20,239 --> 00:22:21,605 and talking to you for three years. 555 00:22:21,674 --> 00:22:23,407 I mean, that's crazy to me. 556 00:22:23,476 --> 00:22:26,210 - Well, I mean, we'd like to find out who it is 557 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:29,313 so that we can get you to block them. 558 00:22:29,382 --> 00:22:31,215 - I mean, yes. - Right. 559 00:22:31,284 --> 00:22:33,184 - Yes, absolutely. - Yeah, I mean, 560 00:22:33,252 --> 00:22:36,087 I'm really sorry this happened to you, 561 00:22:36,155 --> 00:22:39,590 and I hope you find out who's been doing this. 562 00:22:39,659 --> 00:22:42,693 I hope you get some answers and some clarity out of this. 563 00:22:42,762 --> 00:22:44,228 - Thank you. I appreciate that, 564 00:22:44,297 --> 00:22:47,898 and sorry about the involvement. 565 00:22:47,967 --> 00:22:50,601 - All right, Dustin. Thanks, man. Have a good night. 566 00:22:50,670 --> 00:22:51,969 Appreciate it. - Thank you. 567 00:22:52,038 --> 00:22:53,137 - Thanks, Dustin. - Thank you. 568 00:22:53,206 --> 00:22:55,473 - Bye. both: Bye. 569 00:22:55,541 --> 00:22:58,042 - [sighs] My gosh. 570 00:22:58,111 --> 00:23:02,012 To go out of your way to do this to someone else 571 00:23:02,081 --> 00:23:04,782 who's happy in a relationship is terrible. 572 00:23:04,851 --> 00:23:06,283 - Right. - This is not okay. 573 00:23:06,352 --> 00:23:08,219 - You know, this person targeted you. 574 00:23:08,287 --> 00:23:09,587 You didn't just accidentally 575 00:23:09,655 --> 00:23:11,222 both swipe right on a dating app. 576 00:23:11,290 --> 00:23:15,526 Someone wanted to lie to you. 577 00:23:15,595 --> 00:23:18,529 - It feels malicious. It feels wrong. 578 00:23:18,598 --> 00:23:20,731 The biggest question lingering for me-- 579 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:21,899 why me? 580 00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:25,836 - How did "Dustin" get Michael's number? 581 00:23:27,373 --> 00:23:30,674 - It feels like it has to be someone from Michael's past. 582 00:23:30,743 --> 00:23:33,644 I think we're all on the same page 583 00:23:33,713 --> 00:23:36,080 that we'd like to try and talk to this person. 584 00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:38,282 - Yes. - So I'm gonna suggest 585 00:23:38,351 --> 00:23:41,352 that we just send a text message. 586 00:23:41,421 --> 00:23:43,220 Would you say his newest number? 587 00:23:43,289 --> 00:23:45,089 - I would say the newest one. 588 00:23:45,158 --> 00:23:47,391 - Hey, "Dustin." 589 00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:49,126 - In quotes. 590 00:23:49,195 --> 00:23:50,728 - This is Nev from "Catfish," and we're helping Michael 591 00:23:50,797 --> 00:23:52,530 find out the truth about who you are. 592 00:23:52,598 --> 00:23:54,031 We already know that you're not the guy in the pictures. 593 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:55,533 As you can imagine, 594 00:23:55,601 --> 00:23:56,967 Michael was shocked and upset to learn all this, 595 00:23:57,036 --> 00:23:58,202 but still open to hearing your side of the story 596 00:23:58,271 --> 00:23:59,603 and letting you explain yourself. 597 00:23:59,672 --> 00:24:01,705 Thanks. Nev. 598 00:24:01,774 --> 00:24:03,774 Okay. Send it. 599 00:24:03,843 --> 00:24:05,543 All right, well, 600 00:24:05,611 --> 00:24:06,911 ball's in his court, so-- 601 00:24:06,979 --> 00:24:09,246 [phone dings] I--whoa, wait a second. 602 00:24:10,783 --> 00:24:13,484 He said, "How does this work? 603 00:24:13,553 --> 00:24:16,353 Would we meet in person?" 604 00:24:16,422 --> 00:24:20,357 No, we would meet on Zoom. 605 00:24:20,426 --> 00:24:23,761 Are you available now? 606 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:27,965 Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. I want--I want to meet him, 607 00:24:28,034 --> 00:24:30,768 but I'm not sure it's worth it right now. 608 00:24:30,837 --> 00:24:33,571 After all this time, I wanna meet Michael in person 609 00:24:33,639 --> 00:24:35,773 and somewhere public. - What? 610 00:24:35,842 --> 00:24:38,976 I'm not meeting--no. 611 00:24:39,045 --> 00:24:42,813 I'm good meeting whomever this is in person. 612 00:24:46,285 --> 00:24:49,253 - Mm-hmm. - This is so weird. 613 00:24:49,322 --> 00:24:50,654 - Oh. - He said, "Um, okay. 614 00:24:50,723 --> 00:24:52,022 I'll think about it." 615 00:24:52,091 --> 00:24:53,991 - Okay, great. 616 00:24:54,060 --> 00:24:56,360 - Mull that over, sweetheart. 617 00:24:56,429 --> 00:24:58,395 - Let's let "Dustin" figure this out 618 00:24:58,464 --> 00:24:59,997 and hopefully come to the decision 619 00:25:00,066 --> 00:25:01,732 that he does wanna talk to us. 620 00:25:01,801 --> 00:25:03,734 - Okay, sounds good. Thank you both. 621 00:25:03,803 --> 00:25:05,769 - Sorry, I know this was a rough day. 622 00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:07,872 - Of course. Yeah. 623 00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:09,139 - We'll talk to you in the morning. 624 00:25:09,208 --> 00:25:10,508 - Yeah, see you in the morning. Bye. Thank you. 625 00:25:10,576 --> 00:25:13,177 - All right, Michael. Good night. 626 00:25:13,246 --> 00:25:15,379 - I half expected it to obviously 627 00:25:15,448 --> 00:25:16,947 not be the real Dustin, 628 00:25:17,016 --> 00:25:20,851 but to now have absolutely no idea who he's talking to 629 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,287 is not a situation I like to be in, 630 00:25:23,356 --> 00:25:24,955 but we don't have a choice. 631 00:25:25,024 --> 00:25:28,559 We just got to wait and see who pops up on that Zoom. 632 00:25:28,628 --> 00:25:31,695 - I'm scared. Terrified, actually. 633 00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:37,201 [upbeat music] 634 00:25:37,270 --> 00:25:41,839 - Ready to figure out who this "Dustin" really is. 635 00:25:41,908 --> 00:25:45,476 Oh, wow, I have a text from Michael. 636 00:25:45,545 --> 00:25:47,678 Checking in with Kamie. [line trilling] 637 00:25:47,747 --> 00:25:49,380 - What is happening? 638 00:25:49,448 --> 00:25:50,948 - I got a text from Michael this morning 639 00:25:51,017 --> 00:25:54,485 just that recently saying, "Need to talk, stat." 640 00:25:54,554 --> 00:25:55,753 - I'm ready. 641 00:25:55,821 --> 00:25:56,921 I'm grabbing my coffee. - All right. 642 00:25:56,989 --> 00:25:59,156 I'll meet you over in the Zoom in a minute. 643 00:25:59,225 --> 00:26:00,758 - All right. - All right, bye. 644 00:26:00,826 --> 00:26:04,562 ♪ ♪ 645 00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:06,297 - I'm here. - All right. 646 00:26:06,365 --> 00:26:08,198 Are we ready to bring in Michael? 647 00:26:08,267 --> 00:26:12,403 - Yes. - Okay, we are ready. 648 00:26:12,471 --> 00:26:14,438 Oh, there he is. 649 00:26:15,474 --> 00:26:17,975 - Michael. - Hello! 650 00:26:18,044 --> 00:26:19,376 - Hey, what's up? 651 00:26:19,445 --> 00:26:20,678 What's going on? - You're scaring me. 652 00:26:20,746 --> 00:26:25,316 - I just received a weird text message from a number 653 00:26:25,384 --> 00:26:27,384 that I don't recognize of course. 654 00:26:27,453 --> 00:26:31,255 "Please don't meet Dustin. It's not good." 655 00:26:31,324 --> 00:26:33,324 [dramatic music] 656 00:26:33,392 --> 00:26:35,326 - Well, we figured that. - It feels, like, 657 00:26:35,394 --> 00:26:39,697 he thought about it and he's trying to chicken out. 658 00:26:39,765 --> 00:26:41,732 - Yeah. No, for sure that actually could be an option. 659 00:26:41,801 --> 00:26:43,667 If he's trying to back out of now meeting. 660 00:26:43,736 --> 00:26:45,569 - It would either have to be someone very, very close 661 00:26:45,638 --> 00:26:48,439 to Dustin or him. 662 00:26:48,507 --> 00:26:52,810 - Do we feel like we can completely 1,000% 663 00:26:52,878 --> 00:26:57,348 without a shadow of a doubt eliminate the real Dustin? 664 00:26:57,416 --> 00:26:58,882 - [sighs] 665 00:26:58,951 --> 00:27:00,618 - I mean, no. Of course not. - Okay. 666 00:27:00,686 --> 00:27:03,554 - I think you should respond, "Would love to know more. 667 00:27:03,623 --> 00:27:06,156 "Can you chat? 668 00:27:06,225 --> 00:27:07,791 - Okay, send. 669 00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:09,693 - I guess, meanwhile, I could text Dustin-- 670 00:27:09,762 --> 00:27:11,595 the Dustin you've been talking to. 671 00:27:11,664 --> 00:27:13,631 - Sure. - Just check in, right? 672 00:27:13,699 --> 00:27:15,599 Hey, Dustin. 673 00:27:15,668 --> 00:27:19,169 We are ready to speak with you now. 674 00:27:19,238 --> 00:27:21,672 Here is our Zoom. 675 00:27:21,741 --> 00:27:23,874 - Okay, I got a response back. - Oh, oh. 676 00:27:23,943 --> 00:27:26,810 - They say, "Please don't try to meet him 677 00:27:26,879 --> 00:27:29,279 "when he reaches back to you. 678 00:27:29,348 --> 00:27:30,948 "It will be really ugly. 679 00:27:31,017 --> 00:27:33,017 "I can't get into the middle of it, 680 00:27:33,085 --> 00:27:36,353 but it's not going to be good for anyone," 681 00:27:36,422 --> 00:27:38,455 dot, dot, dot. 682 00:27:38,524 --> 00:27:40,724 - What do they mean it can get ugly? 683 00:27:40,793 --> 00:27:43,861 Maybe he is the guy in the pictures, 684 00:27:43,929 --> 00:27:47,031 and maybe that's what could get ugly. 685 00:27:47,099 --> 00:27:50,267 - Oh, my God. - What's uglier than infidelity 686 00:27:50,336 --> 00:27:52,002 and a possible divorce? 687 00:27:52,071 --> 00:27:54,071 [phone dings] - Oh, wait a second. 688 00:27:54,140 --> 00:27:55,606 Whoa. - Is there a message? 689 00:27:55,675 --> 00:27:58,308 - Whoa, Dustin just texted "Okay, I'll do it." 690 00:27:58,377 --> 00:28:01,345 I mean, so I guess we're just standing by now. 691 00:28:01,414 --> 00:28:04,615 - What if it's the real guy? What if it's the real guy? 692 00:28:05,785 --> 00:28:07,985 - [sighs] - Then what? 693 00:28:08,054 --> 00:28:09,820 I have anxiety. 694 00:28:09,889 --> 00:28:13,524 - I'm getting so anxious right now. 695 00:28:13,592 --> 00:28:14,558 - All right, I'm just saying, great. 696 00:28:14,627 --> 00:28:15,893 We're ready for you. 697 00:28:15,961 --> 00:28:17,227 - Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God. 698 00:28:17,296 --> 00:28:23,567 ♪ ♪ 699 00:28:25,304 --> 00:28:26,170 - Dustin just texted, 700 00:28:26,238 --> 00:28:27,271 "Okay, I'll do it." 701 00:28:27,339 --> 00:28:29,106 - I'm getting so anxious right now. 702 00:28:29,175 --> 00:28:32,409 [dramatic music] 703 00:28:32,478 --> 00:28:34,178 - Boom. 704 00:28:34,246 --> 00:28:35,279 - Uh-oh. 705 00:28:35,347 --> 00:28:36,647 - Feels like you guys know each other. 706 00:28:36,716 --> 00:28:40,017 - Are you serious? Yeah, I know who this is. 707 00:28:40,086 --> 00:28:42,052 - I'm Michael's ex-boyfriend. 708 00:28:42,121 --> 00:28:44,755 - [laughs] Wow. 709 00:28:44,824 --> 00:28:47,324 - We were dating the whole time 710 00:28:47,393 --> 00:28:49,660 that he was talking to Dustin. 711 00:28:49,729 --> 00:28:53,063 - We were not exclusive the whole time, Bradley. 712 00:28:53,132 --> 00:28:56,867 - That's why I created Dustin, Michael, 713 00:28:56,936 --> 00:28:59,236 is to test you. 714 00:28:59,305 --> 00:29:01,638 We had just signed a lease in our apartment 715 00:29:01,707 --> 00:29:05,809 just a month before. You were never around. 716 00:29:05,878 --> 00:29:07,945 You weren't talking to me. You won't answer calls. 717 00:29:08,013 --> 00:29:10,114 I had a gut feeling the whole time, 718 00:29:10,182 --> 00:29:14,618 so I created Dustin to test you. 719 00:29:14,687 --> 00:29:17,321 - Bradley, you and I, yes, 720 00:29:17,389 --> 00:29:19,957 did sign a lease to move in together. 721 00:29:20,025 --> 00:29:22,192 We moved in as roommates. 722 00:29:22,261 --> 00:29:24,361 - Who cheated? You did. - I found out--I found out-- 723 00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:26,864 I did not cheat. - Oh, okay. 724 00:29:26,932 --> 00:29:30,601 You didn't cheat on me with Dustin. 725 00:29:30,669 --> 00:29:32,136 - No, no, no, no, no. 726 00:29:32,204 --> 00:29:34,271 - After we officially ended things, 727 00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:36,974 you agreed as well that you wanted to be friends 728 00:29:37,042 --> 00:29:38,509 and see how that worked out. 729 00:29:38,577 --> 00:29:40,444 - No, I never said that. - You wanted to be--you said-- 730 00:29:40,513 --> 00:29:41,979 - Don't put words in my mouth. - You also said-- 731 00:29:42,047 --> 00:29:44,948 - Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not the bad guy here. 732 00:29:45,017 --> 00:29:46,884 - Yes, you are. 733 00:29:46,952 --> 00:29:49,353 You created a profile 734 00:29:49,421 --> 00:29:52,956 lying to continue to keep tabs on me 735 00:29:53,025 --> 00:29:54,491 after you and I were not involved. 736 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,093 - Yeah. - We were not exclusive. 737 00:29:56,162 --> 00:29:59,496 - Michael, I loved you. 738 00:29:59,565 --> 00:30:01,632 ♪ ♪ 739 00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:04,234 Why do you think I got an apartment with you? 740 00:30:04,303 --> 00:30:07,204 I thought you were the one. 741 00:30:07,273 --> 00:30:09,840 - Oh, my gosh. - I had already picked out 742 00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:12,509 a ring for you and everything. 743 00:30:12,578 --> 00:30:14,711 ♪ ♪ 744 00:30:14,780 --> 00:30:18,615 - You did not love me. You're such a liar. 745 00:30:18,684 --> 00:30:21,251 - Hold on. Let's take a quick time-out. 746 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,289 Obviously, you guys have a lot of feelings. 747 00:30:25,357 --> 00:30:27,424 Let me just understand this. 748 00:30:27,493 --> 00:30:33,197 So, Bradley, when--when did you and Michael start dating? 749 00:30:33,265 --> 00:30:35,499 - July of 2016. 750 00:30:35,568 --> 00:30:38,235 - How did you guys meet? - How did we meet, Bradley? 751 00:30:38,304 --> 00:30:40,604 - We met online in San Diego. - We met on Grindr. 752 00:30:40,673 --> 00:30:43,006 We met on Grindr. Be specific. 753 00:30:43,075 --> 00:30:44,775 - I saw him on Grindr, I messaged, 754 00:30:44,844 --> 00:30:47,678 and two weeks later he came to LA to see me in person. 755 00:30:47,746 --> 00:30:50,514 - Got it. Then you guys decided to share an apartment. 756 00:30:50,583 --> 00:30:52,049 Was that in Los Angeles or in Las Vegas? 757 00:30:52,117 --> 00:30:53,283 - Los Angeles. - Los Angeles. 758 00:30:53,352 --> 00:30:55,352 I built my life in Vegas, 759 00:30:55,421 --> 00:30:57,654 but I was willing to split my time in LA. 760 00:30:57,723 --> 00:31:00,457 - Got it. So you'd been dating for few months. 761 00:31:00,526 --> 00:31:03,627 - Not exclusively, and not on the entire time, 762 00:31:03,696 --> 00:31:04,795 even at that point. 763 00:31:04,864 --> 00:31:06,563 - That's lies, but okay. 764 00:31:06,632 --> 00:31:10,667 - I had no intention to be in LA the entire time. 765 00:31:10,736 --> 00:31:13,737 - It sounds like for Bradley, this was, like, 766 00:31:13,806 --> 00:31:15,806 the next step in your relationship, 767 00:31:17,042 --> 00:31:20,177 it sounds like it was more out of convenience. 768 00:31:20,246 --> 00:31:21,511 - It was convenient. 769 00:31:21,580 --> 00:31:24,214 I wasn't in love with him. - That's not true. 770 00:31:24,283 --> 00:31:27,951 You asked me for a ring every other day. 771 00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:29,453 - For fun! 772 00:31:29,521 --> 00:31:31,221 There's nothing wrong with talking about the future. 773 00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:32,923 - It's just fun to get engaged. 774 00:31:32,992 --> 00:31:35,158 Got you. Okay. 775 00:31:35,227 --> 00:31:37,794 - Did I have the ring? 776 00:31:37,863 --> 00:31:40,464 - Obviously, there's room for interpretation 777 00:31:40,532 --> 00:31:41,932 as to where things are going, 778 00:31:42,001 --> 00:31:44,968 but at some point, Bradley, you became suspicious 779 00:31:45,037 --> 00:31:49,373 that Michael wasn't exclusively dating you. 780 00:31:49,441 --> 00:31:51,375 - It was about a month and a half 781 00:31:51,443 --> 00:31:53,677 into us living together. 782 00:31:53,746 --> 00:31:56,980 - Bradley, when you and Michael signed this lease, 783 00:31:57,049 --> 00:31:58,615 were you under the impression 784 00:31:58,684 --> 00:32:02,152 that you guys were going to be together in a relationship? 785 00:32:02,221 --> 00:32:04,788 - A billion percent. 786 00:32:04,857 --> 00:32:06,390 Boom, all of a sudden, 787 00:32:06,458 --> 00:32:08,525 he's just not coming as much anymore. 788 00:32:08,594 --> 00:32:09,893 He always has something to do. 789 00:32:09,962 --> 00:32:13,130 Something--so I decided, you know, to create Dustin. 790 00:32:13,198 --> 00:32:14,798 - Right. - It was just a test to see 791 00:32:14,867 --> 00:32:17,801 because I wanted to know where it was going 792 00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:20,404 because what Michael was saying and what Michael's actions, 793 00:32:20,472 --> 00:32:21,939 they didn't meet up. 794 00:32:22,007 --> 00:32:24,574 When I asked you where you were going, obviously, 795 00:32:24,643 --> 00:32:26,510 I knew you were going to meet Dustin 796 00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:28,745 when I set up the date as Dustin. 797 00:32:28,814 --> 00:32:30,414 But you lied up and down and said, 798 00:32:30,482 --> 00:32:32,015 "Oh, you're just going to meet your lawyer. 799 00:32:32,084 --> 00:32:34,184 You're just going out for a dinner and everything." 800 00:32:34,253 --> 00:32:36,353 You lied constantly about everything-- 801 00:32:36,422 --> 00:32:38,221 about who you were meeting, what you were doing, 802 00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:39,623 who you were hanging out with. 803 00:32:39,692 --> 00:32:42,292 - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 804 00:32:42,361 --> 00:32:46,596 Michael, is this all true? 805 00:32:46,665 --> 00:32:48,865 - Yes. 806 00:32:48,934 --> 00:32:52,502 I'm not denying that you and I had a relationship. 807 00:32:52,571 --> 00:32:55,472 We were on at one point, and after when we were off, 808 00:32:55,541 --> 00:32:58,241 we also were off for long periods of time... 809 00:32:58,310 --> 00:33:00,344 - While you were living together? 810 00:33:00,412 --> 00:33:01,845 - Even while we were living together. 811 00:33:01,914 --> 00:33:05,816 - We became off and on from this situation. 812 00:33:05,884 --> 00:33:09,286 Mentally, after I learned that he was just available 813 00:33:09,355 --> 00:33:10,754 to talk to other guys, 814 00:33:10,823 --> 00:33:13,590 exchange nude photos, meet out on dates. 815 00:33:13,659 --> 00:33:15,892 - I didn't send him photos. 816 00:33:15,961 --> 00:33:18,996 I didn't send him photos. - After I learned all of that, 817 00:33:19,064 --> 00:33:20,530 I was gone. I was done. 818 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:23,400 - Shortly after you sent that text as Dustin, 819 00:33:23,469 --> 00:33:25,268 how come you didn't just bring that up 820 00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:26,770 and confront him about it and say, 821 00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:29,639 "Look, clearly, we're not on the same page here. 822 00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:32,542 "I texted you as Dustin. You were willing to talk to me. 823 00:33:32,611 --> 00:33:35,379 Let's figure this out." Why didn't it all end there? 824 00:33:35,447 --> 00:33:37,414 Why keep talking to him as Dustin 825 00:33:37,483 --> 00:33:38,815 'cause I understand you--you would stop, 826 00:33:38,884 --> 00:33:41,418 but then he would come back with a new number. 827 00:33:41,487 --> 00:33:43,987 Why continue to engage with him 828 00:33:44,056 --> 00:33:47,557 when the relationship appears to have been over? 829 00:33:47,626 --> 00:33:49,693 Earlier today, Michael got a text message 830 00:33:49,762 --> 00:33:53,430 from an unknown number, telling him not to meet you. 831 00:33:53,499 --> 00:33:55,632 Was that you looking for an easy out, 832 00:33:55,701 --> 00:33:57,801 trying to avoid meeting up? 833 00:33:57,870 --> 00:34:01,505 - Yes, but at the end of the day, 834 00:34:01,573 --> 00:34:05,409 continuing on as Dustin with him was just-- 835 00:34:05,477 --> 00:34:07,811 - Terrible. - Oh, terrible? 836 00:34:08,947 --> 00:34:10,714 married and has a-- has a relationship. 837 00:34:10,783 --> 00:34:12,949 - I don't know this guy. - That's not okay. 838 00:34:13,018 --> 00:34:14,785 That's not okay! That's the point I'm making. 839 00:34:14,853 --> 00:34:17,320 - What's not okay is we were in a relationship 840 00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:18,722 and you cheated on me. 841 00:34:18,791 --> 00:34:21,725 - We were not. I did not cheat on you. 842 00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:29,099 - When was the last time that Michael and Bradley hooked up? 843 00:34:29,168 --> 00:34:33,570 ♪ ♪ 844 00:34:35,574 --> 00:34:41,144 - When was the last time that Michael and Bradley hooked up? 845 00:34:41,213 --> 00:34:43,113 - A few weeks ago. 846 00:34:43,182 --> 00:34:45,182 - What? - Hoo. 847 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:48,552 - Wow, are you gonna call the "Maury Show" or should I? 848 00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:50,654 - I didn't know he was Dustin. 849 00:34:50,722 --> 00:34:53,590 - If there's all this animosity going on, 850 00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:55,125 how are we hooking up? 851 00:34:56,562 --> 00:34:59,062 - If I'm such a bad person, why are you still pursuing me 852 00:34:59,131 --> 00:35:01,164 and why in some weird twisted way do you still love me? 853 00:35:01,233 --> 00:35:02,699 - I'm not pursuing you at this point. 854 00:35:02,768 --> 00:35:03,834 - I said, "were" you. 855 00:35:03,902 --> 00:35:05,902 - I haven't been for quite some time. 856 00:35:05,971 --> 00:35:07,404 - Okay. 857 00:35:07,473 --> 00:35:11,007 - You reached out to him as Dustin just a few weeks ago. 858 00:35:11,076 --> 00:35:12,843 - I've seen you recently where you're saying you wanted 859 00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:14,444 to have a sexual relationship, 860 00:35:14,513 --> 00:35:17,013 and that you're not opposed to dating me in the future. 861 00:35:17,082 --> 00:35:18,915 - I never-- - Yes, you did, Bradley. 862 00:35:18,984 --> 00:35:20,250 - No. - You are a liar. 863 00:35:20,319 --> 00:35:22,719 Clearly this shows you are a--yes, you did. 864 00:35:22,788 --> 00:35:23,987 Yes, you did. - These times that you're-- 865 00:35:24,056 --> 00:35:25,355 we have not talked about this now. 866 00:35:25,424 --> 00:35:26,823 We did talk about this previously. 867 00:35:26,892 --> 00:35:28,391 - Oh, my God. - I have an idea. 868 00:35:28,460 --> 00:35:30,360 Why don't we take a quick break? 869 00:35:30,429 --> 00:35:32,863 Everyone just sort of collect themselves. 870 00:35:32,931 --> 00:35:34,264 Michael, are you okay 871 00:35:34,333 --> 00:35:36,500 if we talk to Bradley alone for a minute? 872 00:35:36,568 --> 00:35:37,501 - Cool. 873 00:35:37,569 --> 00:35:39,336 - Thank you. 874 00:35:39,404 --> 00:35:40,604 - Hello, Bradley. - Hey. 875 00:35:40,672 --> 00:35:42,038 - Hello. 876 00:35:42,107 --> 00:35:43,173 - How's it going? 877 00:35:43,242 --> 00:35:45,308 - I'm slightly frustrated 878 00:35:45,377 --> 00:35:47,210 apparently that Michael thought that we weren't 879 00:35:47,279 --> 00:35:49,379 in this committed relationship together. 880 00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:51,681 So caught me off guard to learn. 881 00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:54,017 - Yeah. - There's just a part of me 882 00:35:54,086 --> 00:35:58,288 that feels like you're still in love with Michael 883 00:35:58,357 --> 00:36:02,325 and wanted to be connected in some kind of way. 884 00:36:02,394 --> 00:36:03,960 Even though you feel like he's been a dick, 885 00:36:04,029 --> 00:36:06,029 he's lied to you, and whatever else, 886 00:36:06,098 --> 00:36:09,232 you're still actively catfishing him years later. 887 00:36:09,301 --> 00:36:12,702 Is there a part of you that is still in love with Michael? 888 00:36:12,771 --> 00:36:14,771 - In a twisted kind of way, 889 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,509 I can kind of say... 890 00:36:19,578 --> 00:36:21,578 yes. 891 00:36:21,647 --> 00:36:22,646 When your heart's still involved, 892 00:36:22,714 --> 00:36:24,948 you can't just drop feelings like that. 893 00:36:25,017 --> 00:36:27,017 You know, I did love Michael. 894 00:36:27,085 --> 00:36:29,519 Like I said, we were moving into the next step 895 00:36:29,588 --> 00:36:31,388 of our relationship, the next phase, 896 00:36:31,456 --> 00:36:34,991 and then all of a sudden, that got broken to me, 897 00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:37,594 but it wasn't broken to me by Michael. 898 00:36:37,663 --> 00:36:41,198 It was broken to me via Dustin, and I never ended up 899 00:36:41,266 --> 00:36:44,100 getting closure from the whole situation 900 00:36:44,169 --> 00:36:46,236 because I never even got told from Michael 901 00:36:46,305 --> 00:36:50,840 that we clearly weren't in a committed relationship. 902 00:36:50,909 --> 00:36:53,043 I mean, we had a really good time together. 903 00:36:53,111 --> 00:36:54,978 I always joke he wanted me to buy him a truck. 904 00:36:55,047 --> 00:36:56,279 He wanted me to buy him a ring. 905 00:36:56,348 --> 00:37:01,218 So I seriously considered getting a ring. 906 00:37:01,286 --> 00:37:03,153 He's like trying to slap me in the face now 907 00:37:03,222 --> 00:37:06,556 and say this whatever I had in my head was just in my head, 908 00:37:06,625 --> 00:37:08,959 that it didn't even really exist. 909 00:37:09,027 --> 00:37:13,163 - It's hurtful to have someone make it feel like they were 910 00:37:13,232 --> 00:37:16,333 never on the same page with you the entire time. 911 00:37:16,401 --> 00:37:20,804 - I really felt like Michael was the one. 912 00:37:20,872 --> 00:37:23,206 It really hurts because I believe 913 00:37:23,275 --> 00:37:27,244 that Michael was gonna be my--my other half. 914 00:37:27,312 --> 00:37:29,212 - Where do you want things to go from here? 915 00:37:29,281 --> 00:37:31,281 - It's broken and at this point, 916 00:37:31,350 --> 00:37:33,583 I just wanna--I just want to separate fully. 917 00:37:33,652 --> 00:37:35,218 - Yeah. - Well, then that means 918 00:37:35,287 --> 00:37:38,121 you can't keep reaching out to him with fake phone numbers 919 00:37:38,190 --> 00:37:40,523 and you definitely can't keep hooking up. 920 00:37:40,592 --> 00:37:42,459 - Right. - Yes, 100%. 921 00:37:42,527 --> 00:37:45,962 In my defense, I prefer more, you know, comfortability sex. 922 00:37:46,031 --> 00:37:48,665 So obviously, I'm comfortable with him. 923 00:37:48,734 --> 00:37:50,033 - Well, the [bleep] you know is always better 924 00:37:50,102 --> 00:37:51,234 than the [bleep] you don't know. 925 00:37:51,303 --> 00:37:52,902 - Okay. - That's much scarier. 926 00:37:52,971 --> 00:37:54,237 - All right, well, look, 927 00:37:54,306 --> 00:37:55,872 let us talk to Michael for a minute, 928 00:37:55,941 --> 00:37:59,142 then we'll all come back together and finish this up. 929 00:37:59,211 --> 00:38:02,045 - Okay, sounds good. - I love Bradley. 930 00:38:02,114 --> 00:38:05,081 I feel bad 'cause I really feel like they could have something 931 00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:07,751 if they didn't have such a [bleep] history. 932 00:38:07,819 --> 00:38:11,888 - Some people are just better off going their separate ways. 933 00:38:15,193 --> 00:38:16,593 - Hello. 934 00:38:16,662 --> 00:38:19,629 - All right, give us the scoop. What are we missing here? 935 00:38:19,698 --> 00:38:23,400 - I have never denied having had a relationship with him. 936 00:38:23,468 --> 00:38:27,437 Him and I were not exclusive the entire time we knew 937 00:38:27,506 --> 00:38:29,572 each other and the entire time we've known each other. 938 00:38:29,641 --> 00:38:32,909 - Well, that's--do you feel like there is a version of this 939 00:38:32,978 --> 00:38:36,146 where you may have given Bradley 940 00:38:36,214 --> 00:38:39,416 the impression that you were in a relationship? 941 00:38:39,484 --> 00:38:42,719 - If it's not exclusive and you don't say we're together 942 00:38:42,788 --> 00:38:44,120 and you don't make that commitment, 943 00:38:44,189 --> 00:38:45,455 then you're free to do what you want to do. 944 00:38:45,524 --> 00:38:47,624 - It just feels like there's been a lot of distrust 945 00:38:47,693 --> 00:38:51,061 and a lot of mixed signals and a lot of miscommunication. 946 00:38:51,129 --> 00:38:52,529 - Right, and for any number of reasons, 947 00:38:52,597 --> 00:38:54,731 the relationship with you and Bradley didn't work out. 948 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,966 - Correct. 949 00:38:57,035 --> 00:39:00,003 - Obviously, this is upsetting for many reasons. 950 00:39:00,072 --> 00:39:02,539 So let's talk about moving on. 951 00:39:02,607 --> 00:39:05,175 - I personally don't see how there could ever be a resolve 952 00:39:05,243 --> 00:39:06,776 or being able to move forward. 953 00:39:06,845 --> 00:39:08,345 I just want this to be done and over. 954 00:39:08,413 --> 00:39:09,646 - Great. 955 00:39:09,715 --> 00:39:11,548 So I think we should all get back in this room together 956 00:39:11,616 --> 00:39:15,251 and you guys can release each other from this relationship. 957 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,220 All right, I'm gonna get him back in. 958 00:39:19,558 --> 00:39:21,257 All right. Hey, Bradley. 959 00:39:21,326 --> 00:39:23,226 - Hey. - Can you both acknowledge 960 00:39:23,295 --> 00:39:26,529 that at any given point in knowing each other, 961 00:39:26,598 --> 00:39:31,000 you shared love for one another in some kind of capacity, 962 00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:33,937 but now that moment has passed? 963 00:39:34,005 --> 00:39:35,605 - 1 million percent. - Correct. 964 00:39:35,674 --> 00:39:39,542 - But now--now it's just time to be done with this [bleep]. 965 00:39:39,611 --> 00:39:42,445 It's probably not gonna get better, so... 966 00:39:43,582 --> 00:39:48,718 - The thing that we can do now is just move on. 967 00:39:48,787 --> 00:39:50,086 - I completely agree 968 00:39:50,155 --> 00:39:52,422 with those-- those statements absolutely. 969 00:39:52,491 --> 00:39:56,993 - Is there's any--any final thoughts or feelings 970 00:39:57,062 --> 00:39:58,962 that you want to express to each other now... 971 00:39:59,030 --> 00:40:02,565 - I've said my piece. I wish you the best. 972 00:40:02,634 --> 00:40:05,335 I hope you don't contact me any forward. 973 00:40:05,404 --> 00:40:06,569 You broke my heart. 974 00:40:06,638 --> 00:40:09,272 I want nothing to do with you ever again. 975 00:40:09,341 --> 00:40:11,374 - Are you done? - Go ahead. 976 00:40:11,443 --> 00:40:14,577 - Bradley, I don't wish you ill. 977 00:40:14,646 --> 00:40:17,213 I don't wish you well. I don't wish you anything, 978 00:40:17,282 --> 00:40:20,483 and we won't be seeing or speaking to each other 979 00:40:20,552 --> 00:40:22,085 ever again from this point moving forward. 980 00:40:22,154 --> 00:40:24,587 - All right, well, very rarely 981 00:40:24,656 --> 00:40:27,023 if ever does anything good come of catfishing, 982 00:40:27,092 --> 00:40:29,426 so I just want it to sorta leave it at that. 983 00:40:29,494 --> 00:40:31,995 Be well and stay safe and healthy. 984 00:40:32,063 --> 00:40:34,364 - Same to you both. Thank you. - Good luck, guys. 985 00:40:34,433 --> 00:40:35,899 - Bye, Kamie Queen. - Thank you. 986 00:40:35,967 --> 00:40:37,767 - Bye, guys. 987 00:40:37,836 --> 00:40:40,904 - ♪ Look what you've put me through ♪ 988 00:40:40,972 --> 00:40:43,673 ♪ I'm walking on wires lately ♪ 989 00:40:43,742 --> 00:40:45,508 ♪ I'm keeping my balance ♪ 990 00:40:45,577 --> 00:40:49,245 ♪ But I don't think we can fix this ♪ 991 00:40:49,314 --> 00:40:52,682 ♪ I won't get to ambitious, no ♪ 992 00:40:52,751 --> 00:40:55,018 ♪ ♪ 993 00:40:56,822 --> 00:40:57,687 - My name is Jeremiah. 994 00:40:57,756 --> 00:40:59,823 I've been talking to Linda. 995 00:40:59,891 --> 00:41:02,058 Her charm was spellbinding. 996 00:41:02,127 --> 00:41:03,860 - Ooh! - I think that she's a gift. 997 00:41:03,929 --> 00:41:05,328 I do. - You know what we can search? 998 00:41:05,397 --> 00:41:08,031 Cash App. Username is fakeheer. 999 00:41:08,099 --> 00:41:09,399 - Fakeheer? 1000 00:41:09,468 --> 00:41:12,335 We can look up the house that she's at. 1001 00:41:13,271 --> 00:41:15,371 - What the hell? - Oh, [bleep].