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- Three years ago,
Courtney met Chris,
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who lived in Turkey, online.
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- Oh, I'm in love with him.
- Have you sent gifts?
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- I've sent
maybe around a grand.
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- Courtney.
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- She only has one picture
where he shows his face.
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Why is this guy
cloaking his identity,
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not just from her,
but from everyone?
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- Oh, my God, I have a message.
- I can hear you.
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- What is happening?
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[dramatic musical sting]
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- All right,
so let's text our girl.
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It's time to get to work.
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- Hey, guys,
welcome back to my channel.
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We're gonna make some coffee.
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Watch out, Ayesha Curry.
I'm coming for you.
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[punchy music]
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We're gonna put
some more oat milk inside.
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Little razzle dazzle.
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♪ ♪
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Some vanilla creamer.
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Bloop.
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♪ ♪
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[computer chimes]
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- Hello.
- Are you finally ready?
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Jeez.
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- I'm always ready.
- Sure you are.
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All right, here we go.
An email from Courtney.
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[soft dramatic music]
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"Dear Nev and Kamie,
my name is Courtney.
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"I'm 22, and I work
as a home health aide in Ohio.
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"And, well, I guess
I might be getting catfished.
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Three years ago,
I met Chris online."
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♪ ♪
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"I would never have guessed
this guy who lived in Turkey
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"would turn out
to be the love of my life,
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but that's exactly
what happened."
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- If Courtney can get a trip
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to Turkey out of this,
she should take it.
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- "Chris is an artist,
he's smart,
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"and he has
the best taste in music,
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"anime, and video games,
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but our relationship
hasn't exactly been smooth."
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♪ ♪
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"We've broken up
and gotten back together
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"so many times
that I can't even keep track,
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"but we started up again
this past November,
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"and it's more serious
this time.
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"I thought that would mean
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"Chris would start
video chatting
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"with me,
but nothing has changed.
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- ♪ It's never enough,
never enough ♪
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♪ Never enough,
ooh, doesn't... ♪
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- "I try not to let myself
think about the fact
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"that Chris could be a catfish,
but I've seen your show.
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"If Chris is a catfish,
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"I'm not sure
what that will mean for us,
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"but I can't just keep
hoping for the best.
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"It's time for me to find out
who Chris really is.
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I hope you can help me.
Courtney."
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- ♪ Love, love, love ♪
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♪ What do I got
to do to get some love? ♪
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♪ ♪
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- Wow.
- Three years.
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Let's text our girl Courtney.
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Hey, Courtney.
It's Nev.
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We just read your email
and wanna help.
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- I don't want
to get false hope
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that Chris is real,
but he could be real.
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He could just be hesitant
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about the long-distance
relationship, right?
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- It's not impossible.
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- Maybe he just
doesn't like FaceTiming.
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I don't know.
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- The good news is,
her eyes are open enough
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to know that something's up.
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[computer chimes]
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Oh, hi.
- Hey.
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- Hi, guys.
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- Are you freaked out?
- Mm-hmm.
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- [laughs]
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Is it Nev?
Be honest.
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- I mean, I've always wanted
to meet him,
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just--I didn't--not like this.
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- [chuckles]
Well, I'm flattered.
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And it's nice to meet you.
Where are you in Ohio?
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- I'm in Canton.
- You're a home health aide.
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What does that mean?
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- I take care of people
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in their homes that
are developmentally disabled.
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- Wow.
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It's a very selfless job.
Good for you.
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- Yeah.
- Thank you.
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- Anyway, tell us about Chris.
How did you guys meet?
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What is going on?
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Well, I love telling this story
because it's very strange.
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We met on Facebook
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but through roleplay.
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- Ooh, fun, okay.
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- I was on my roleplay account,
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and the person
that my character was with
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sent Chris's character
to try and kill my character,
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and it didn't happen.
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I ended up telling him
that I had feelings for him.
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[soft dramatic music]
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And we ended up
in a relationship.
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- Wow, all right.
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So when you met Chris,
it was as his character.
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- Yes.
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- Eventually, he sent me
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a cosplay picture of himself.
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That was the only
actual picture
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I've seen with his face in it.
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And the other picture I have,
he's wearing a mask.
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- Well, wait a second.
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You have now been friends with
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his Facebook account, right?
- Yeah.
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- Does he have more photos
of himself on there?
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- No, it's mostly just his art.
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- In three years, you've only
seen two pictures of him?
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- Mm-hmm.
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- You don't even really know
what he looks like.
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- I know.
- Oh, my God.
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- Can you show us
the one picture
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you've seen of him?
- I sure can.
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He said it was
a werewolf cosplay.
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- What are you talking about?
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There's nothing
werewolf about that.
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He's not even in a costume.
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- [chuckles]
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- Did you want to see the mask?
- Sure, yeah.
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- That's a mask.
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- So, Courtney,
do you really think
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Chris is the guy
in that one picture?
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- I don't know.
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I would like it to be him
because it is
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a very attractive person
that he showed me.
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- Sure.
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- What do you know
about him personally?
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- He lives in Izmit, Turkey,
with his mom.
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He, to my knowledge,
is jobless.
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He's an artist.
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He does portraits,
anime characters,
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stuff like that.
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- How old is Chris?
- 22.
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- Oh, so he's the same age.
What do you like about him?
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- He's got amazing music taste.
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90% of the bands
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I listen to now
is because of him.
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Same with
the animes that we watch.
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I didn't get into anime
until he introduced me.
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Anything that I'm interested in
now is because of him--
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90% of
my personality basically.
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- What?
- Wow.
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- He's in
a completely different country,
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has a whole different set
of interests,
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and, like, that's really cool,
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but what is it about him
that attracts you?
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- It's really hard
to explain that.
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I'd say it's just
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how he makes me feel.
- I get it.
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The connection that you have
is very meaningful.
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- Do you guys only talk
via Facebook?
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- We eventually went
to WhatsApp.
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- You talk on the phone?
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- I've only spoken to him
on the phone once.
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- What was the vibe?
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- It felt like he didn't want
to be on the phone.
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- Mm.
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- It sounded like he would
rather be doing something else.
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It just didn't last long.
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- Was it, like,
a distinct male voice?
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- To me, yeah, it sounded male.
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- And did he have an accent?
- Yes.
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I've tried
asking for more calls,
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and he said no.
It's really disappointing.
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- How can Chris justify
not video chatting you
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over the last three years?
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- He's just always busy,
and he's given me excuses
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like his laptop's too old
and the time difference.
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- How do you know
he's even in Turkey?
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- I believe he is.
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He's shown me Turkish movies,
shows, music.
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Did you know that black roses
naturally grow there?
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- Oh, I didn't know that.
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You've really dove headfirst
into the culture.
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- The horticulture.
- [chuckles]
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Yeah, ever since I found out
that he's from Turkey,
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I love Turkey.
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A lot of times,
I would talk about
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wanting to go to Turkey
to see him.
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So just the idea of, like,
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planning that is something
that makes me happy,
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but I don't want to go
if he's not real.
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- Right.
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- Have you sent him gifts
or anything like that?
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- Back in 2018,
I sent him an Odin bust.
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[upbeat music]
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- Wait.
- It's a mini statue.
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- And did he ever say
he got this--the bust?
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- Oh, yeah,
he sent me a picture of it.
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- Oh.
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- So then--okay,
so then it confirms
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that he is, in fact, in Turkey.
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- Promising.
- Wow, okay, interesting.
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- And he sent me a gift.
That very hoodie right there.
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- Is it a special hoodie?
- It's his.
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- Oh, he sent you his hoodie.
- He sent you his hoodie.
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- Yes, back in 2018.
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- And it came from Turkey?
- Yes.
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- No money exchanges
between the two of you?
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- I have sent money
to his friend.
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- Why did you send money
to his friend?
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- So that she
could give it to him.
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- How much?
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- Over the course
of three years,
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I've sent maybe around a grand.
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- Courtney...
- [chuckles]
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- That's a lot of money.
- Yeah.
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- Courtney,
you see how this sounds?
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- [chuckles]
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- Who is his friend?
Who is this girl?
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- It's Ece.
- And do you ever talk to her?
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- I don't.
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- Does her Cash App profile
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have a photo?
Could you pull it up for us?
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- I used to have it,
but then it disappeared.
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- So she just wiped her page.
- Completely.
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It doesn't exist anymore.
I've tried looking for it.
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- Hmm.
- Oh, Courtney.
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So after all this shadiness,
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you still
have strong feelings?
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How do you feel about him?
- Oh, I'm in love with him.
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He is actually
my longest relationship.
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- Really?
- Yes, we were engaged once.
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- When was that?
- 2018.
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- What is that?
- He sent me that picture.
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- So he sent you
an anime picture
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of a guy proposing.
- Yes.
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- So that was the engagement?
- Yes.
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And I went, "Yes."
And he went, "That was easy."
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[chuckles]
- Wow.
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- [laughs]
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- I mean, look,
he sounds really cool, okay?
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He's into cool stuff.
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He's an artist,
and he lives in Turkey.
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But come on,
the guy can video chat,
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and he's had excuses not to
for the last three years.
252
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There has to be
a reason for that.
253
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That, coupled with the fact
254
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that he's only ever sent you
one photo
255
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and you only had
one weird phone call,
256
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suggests to me that there's
a very, very good likelihood
257
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he's not the guy in that photo.
258
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- I'm ready to get answers.
- Mm-hmm.
259
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- I have to find out
if it's actually him or not.
260
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I just want it to be real.
261
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- All right, so look,
send us anything you've got.
262
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Let us do a little research,
263
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and we'll see
if we can figure something out.
264
00:10:00,834 --> 00:10:02,233
- Thank you, guys.
265
00:10:02,302 --> 00:10:05,804
- Oh, boy.
What do you think?
266
00:10:05,872 --> 00:10:08,306
- My biggest concern
is that Chris
267
00:10:08,375 --> 00:10:10,075
doesn't really care
about her that much.
268
00:10:10,143 --> 00:10:11,576
- Seems like he's a scammer
269
00:10:11,645 --> 00:10:14,245
or at least he's hiding
something really big.
270
00:10:14,314 --> 00:10:19,284
But it concerns me
that Courtney is so invested
271
00:10:19,353 --> 00:10:22,554
that she's literally
changing her favorite things
272
00:10:22,623 --> 00:10:23,955
to be his favorite things.
273
00:10:24,024 --> 00:10:26,758
Her personality has now become
274
00:10:26,827 --> 00:10:29,561
the things
that are his favorite things,
275
00:10:29,630 --> 00:10:32,597
and that is
a slippery [bleep] slope.
276
00:10:32,666 --> 00:10:34,366
[dramatic music]
277
00:10:36,103 --> 00:10:37,469
[computer chimes]
278
00:10:37,537 --> 00:10:40,872
- Something's going on here.
We need to help Courtney.
279
00:10:40,941 --> 00:10:43,808
Some classic catfish red flags
with Chris.
280
00:10:43,877 --> 00:10:45,877
- Mm-hmm.
- Won't video chat.
281
00:10:45,946 --> 00:10:48,513
Only talked on the phone once.
282
00:10:48,582 --> 00:10:50,582
Normally, I would say
that he says he lives in Turkey
283
00:10:50,651 --> 00:10:52,817
is one of them, but that
actually seems to be true.
284
00:10:52,886 --> 00:10:54,152
- I think that part is real.
285
00:10:54,221 --> 00:10:56,254
- He either
directly asked for
286
00:10:56,323 --> 00:10:58,957
or hinted towards
her sending him money,
287
00:10:59,026 --> 00:11:00,859
which she has done,
but, of course,
288
00:11:00,927 --> 00:11:03,228
he doesn't have
his own Cash App
289
00:11:03,296 --> 00:11:05,463
or Venmo or wire transfer.
290
00:11:05,532 --> 00:11:07,732
She has to send the money
to his friend.
291
00:11:07,801 --> 00:11:09,768
- Always got to send the money
to the friend.
292
00:11:09,836 --> 00:11:11,102
- Just shady.
293
00:11:11,171 --> 00:11:13,138
- My biggest concern is that,
294
00:11:13,206 --> 00:11:15,674
whether it's a guy
or a girl behind this,
295
00:11:15,742 --> 00:11:18,877
their feelings do not match
Courtney's feelings.
296
00:11:18,945 --> 00:11:21,513
Like, he sent her a meme
of an engagement,
297
00:11:21,581 --> 00:11:23,948
and she took that
as a real life engagement.
298
00:11:24,017 --> 00:11:25,717
- I know.
299
00:11:25,786 --> 00:11:26,918
- She needs to be
kind of, like,
300
00:11:26,987 --> 00:11:28,019
brought down
to Earth a little bit
301
00:11:28,088 --> 00:11:30,955
because it's just not giving
302
00:11:31,024 --> 00:11:32,891
what it's supposed
to have been gave.
303
00:11:32,959 --> 00:11:33,958
- All right, well,
let's do some research.
304
00:11:34,027 --> 00:11:35,727
Let's see if we got
an email here.
305
00:11:35,796 --> 00:11:37,729
All right,
here's what I've got for you.
306
00:11:37,798 --> 00:11:39,497
His name is Chris [bleep].
307
00:11:39,566 --> 00:11:42,233
He's 22 and lives in Izmit,
Turkey, with his family.
308
00:11:42,302 --> 00:11:45,136
Here's his phone number,
his personal Facebook page.
309
00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:47,539
The girl I sent money to
is named Ece.
310
00:11:47,607 --> 00:11:50,942
All I on her
is just her name.
311
00:11:51,011 --> 00:11:52,944
And then the two pictures.
- Okay.
312
00:11:53,013 --> 00:11:54,646
- So let's go
to his Facebook page.
313
00:11:54,715 --> 00:11:56,014
All right, so here
314
00:11:56,083 --> 00:11:58,650
it's Christoffer [bleep]
or Narperist,
315
00:11:58,719 --> 00:12:00,852
which seems to be,
like, the name he uses--
316
00:12:00,921 --> 00:12:03,388
a sad artist.
- One post.
317
00:12:03,457 --> 00:12:05,056
Or is his page locked up?
318
00:12:05,125 --> 00:12:07,092
- I don't know.
Here's his art.
319
00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,061
[soft dramatic music]
320
00:12:10,130 --> 00:12:11,996
Pretty good artist.
321
00:12:12,065 --> 00:12:15,500
♪ ♪
322
00:12:16,636 --> 00:12:18,903
He has another page
for his art.
323
00:12:18,972 --> 00:12:20,905
The Narperist.
324
00:12:20,974 --> 00:12:22,107
Courtney never mentioned
he had
325
00:12:22,175 --> 00:12:25,110
an art page on Facebook.
326
00:12:25,178 --> 00:12:26,544
Oh, and here's
his phone number,
327
00:12:26,613 --> 00:12:30,115
which is the same
as the number she gave us.
328
00:12:30,183 --> 00:12:31,616
Here's an Instagram.
329
00:12:31,685 --> 00:12:34,219
She didn't mention that,
but all this stuff
330
00:12:34,287 --> 00:12:38,890
is all kind of available
to see on his artist account.
331
00:12:38,959 --> 00:12:41,059
He's got a story.
Okay.
332
00:12:41,128 --> 00:12:42,327
I mean,
there's a subtitle there
333
00:12:42,395 --> 00:12:44,629
that looks to be Turkish.
- Yeah.
334
00:12:44,698 --> 00:12:46,064
♪ ♪
335
00:12:46,133 --> 00:12:48,199
He has a TikTok.
336
00:12:48,268 --> 00:12:52,036
I'll look it up.
Found it.
337
00:12:52,105 --> 00:12:55,807
It says artist,
he, him, age 22.
338
00:12:55,876 --> 00:12:57,542
- But there's no videos,
obviously, right?
339
00:12:57,611 --> 00:12:58,643
- There's videos.
340
00:12:58,712 --> 00:13:00,411
♪ ♪
341
00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:01,913
Him drawing.
342
00:13:01,982 --> 00:13:03,915
- But is it just his hand?
- Yeah.
343
00:13:03,984 --> 00:13:05,784
- All these
social media profiles,
344
00:13:05,852 --> 00:13:08,520
and there still aren't
any more pictures of him.
345
00:13:08,588 --> 00:13:10,855
It's all just
the same art stuff.
346
00:13:10,924 --> 00:13:12,123
So that doesn't help.
347
00:13:12,192 --> 00:13:13,525
Now let's do
a quick image search
348
00:13:13,593 --> 00:13:16,227
of that one picture
where he shows his face
349
00:13:16,296 --> 00:13:17,829
just in case
something comes up.
350
00:13:17,898 --> 00:13:19,230
♪ ♪
351
00:13:19,299 --> 00:13:20,331
No.
352
00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:21,833
And then here's
the mask picture.
353
00:13:21,902 --> 00:13:22,967
♪ ♪
354
00:13:23,036 --> 00:13:24,702
No.
355
00:13:24,771 --> 00:13:26,838
What else do we have here?
We have his phone number.
356
00:13:26,907 --> 00:13:29,641
I don't think we can run
international phone numbers.
357
00:13:29,709 --> 00:13:31,476
There's nothing else to search.
358
00:13:31,545 --> 00:13:33,478
- Well, what about
searching for Ece,
359
00:13:33,547 --> 00:13:36,414
the friend that Courtney
has been sending the money to
360
00:13:36,483 --> 00:13:37,982
on Christoffer's friend list?
361
00:13:38,051 --> 00:13:39,017
- Okay.
362
00:13:39,085 --> 00:13:40,919
♪ ♪
363
00:13:40,987 --> 00:13:43,988
Negative.
Maybe on his Instagram.
364
00:13:44,057 --> 00:13:46,324
♪ ♪
365
00:13:46,393 --> 00:13:47,492
Ece!
366
00:13:47,561 --> 00:13:49,427
- [gasps]
Aha!
367
00:13:49,496 --> 00:13:51,996
- Who is this?
Could this be our girl?
368
00:13:52,065 --> 00:13:53,965
♪ ♪
369
00:13:54,034 --> 00:13:56,301
Well, she's into
video games and gaming.
370
00:13:56,369 --> 00:13:57,635
- Mm.
371
00:13:57,704 --> 00:13:58,870
- I just want to see
if there's any
372
00:13:58,939 --> 00:14:00,338
of her with Christoffer.
373
00:14:00,407 --> 00:14:02,207
- Yeah, aren't they supposed
to be, like, best friends?
374
00:14:02,275 --> 00:14:05,410
- Yeah, there are no pictures
of them together.
375
00:14:05,478 --> 00:14:07,278
All right, well,
let's message her.
376
00:14:07,347 --> 00:14:09,013
- What if Chris is Ece?
377
00:14:09,082 --> 00:14:10,849
- She definitely seems to have
some of the same hobbies.
378
00:14:10,917 --> 00:14:12,417
- Yeah.
379
00:14:12,485 --> 00:14:14,552
- What if Ece's trying
to explore her sexuality?
380
00:14:14,621 --> 00:14:16,254
I mean,
it might be a tough thing
381
00:14:16,323 --> 00:14:18,056
to do in the Turkish culture.
- Right.
382
00:14:18,124 --> 00:14:19,891
- Think about this:
you cannot find a picture
383
00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,125
of him on the Internet.
384
00:14:21,194 --> 00:14:24,229
Why is this guy
cloaking his identity,
385
00:14:24,297 --> 00:14:25,797
not just from her,
but from everyone?
386
00:14:25,866 --> 00:14:28,233
- Well, how about the fact that
they finally get on the phone
387
00:14:28,301 --> 00:14:30,034
once over the course
of three years,
388
00:14:30,103 --> 00:14:31,736
and she admits that he sounded
389
00:14:31,805 --> 00:14:34,405
like he would rather
be somewhere else?
390
00:14:34,474 --> 00:14:37,175
- Well, to me, that sounds
like it was not him.
391
00:14:37,244 --> 00:14:41,012
He got somebody
to be his voice for 30 minutes.
392
00:14:41,081 --> 00:14:42,747
- Or she got somebody.
- Right.
393
00:14:42,816 --> 00:14:43,882
I think it's her.
394
00:14:43,950 --> 00:14:45,884
Ece is in love with Courtney
395
00:14:45,952 --> 00:14:48,319
but too afraid to admit it.
396
00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,655
- Courtney could be in
for a big disappointment.
397
00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:53,625
- All right, let's get
Courtney on the horn
398
00:14:53,693 --> 00:14:54,859
for an update
on what we found.
399
00:14:54,928 --> 00:14:55,860
- If it's this this girl Ece
400
00:14:55,929 --> 00:14:57,462
that she paid the $1,000 to,
401
00:14:57,530 --> 00:14:59,864
this could turn ugly
really fast.
402
00:14:59,933 --> 00:15:01,366
[computer chimes]
403
00:15:01,434 --> 00:15:04,569
- Hey, what's up, Courtney?
Who you got there?
404
00:15:04,638 --> 00:15:07,805
- Oh, I have a unicorn.
- Is that your therapy animal?
405
00:15:07,874 --> 00:15:10,208
- Mm-hmm.
- Cute.
406
00:15:10,277 --> 00:15:12,243
- All right, well, look,
we did some research.
407
00:15:12,312 --> 00:15:13,478
We're trying to see
what we can find.
408
00:15:13,546 --> 00:15:14,946
So let me share
my screen with you
409
00:15:15,015 --> 00:15:16,748
so you can see what we found.
410
00:15:16,816 --> 00:15:19,350
As you already knew,
he has his Facebook page,
411
00:15:19,419 --> 00:15:23,154
his personal one
and his art one.
412
00:15:23,223 --> 00:15:25,223
- Oh.
- Does that surprise you?
413
00:15:25,292 --> 00:15:27,158
- I just didn't know.
414
00:15:27,227 --> 00:15:29,227
- Well, on that page,
his phone number
415
00:15:29,296 --> 00:15:30,962
is the same that you have.
416
00:15:31,031 --> 00:15:33,431
He's got a TikTok.
Did you know he has a TikTok?
417
00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:34,666
- No.
418
00:15:34,734 --> 00:15:37,035
- And the big thing we found
on his art page
419
00:15:37,103 --> 00:15:38,803
is a link to his Instagram.
420
00:15:38,872 --> 00:15:40,605
Did you know
he has an Instagram?
421
00:15:40,674 --> 00:15:42,373
- I did not.
422
00:15:42,442 --> 00:15:44,208
- The weird thing is, all
of his social media accounts
423
00:15:44,277 --> 00:15:45,677
have the same content.
424
00:15:45,745 --> 00:15:47,679
They're all basically
his work as an artist,
425
00:15:47,747 --> 00:15:50,682
but none of them
have any photos of him.
426
00:15:50,750 --> 00:15:52,550
Whoever he is,
he's doing a very good job
427
00:15:52,619 --> 00:15:55,753
of keeping
his identity a secret.
428
00:15:55,822 --> 00:15:57,555
♪ ♪
429
00:15:57,624 --> 00:16:00,658
The fact that you even have
a photo of him is remarkable
430
00:16:00,727 --> 00:16:02,627
because there's no photos
of him
431
00:16:02,696 --> 00:16:05,330
on any of his many
social media profiles.
432
00:16:05,398 --> 00:16:07,165
But at the same time,
he's got his phone number
433
00:16:07,233 --> 00:16:08,499
and his email,
434
00:16:08,568 --> 00:16:10,068
and you can contact him
very easily
435
00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:11,502
if you want
to commission artwork,
436
00:16:11,571 --> 00:16:14,472
so he's not against
putting himself out there.
437
00:16:14,541 --> 00:16:18,042
He just doesn't want anyone
to know what he looks like.
438
00:16:18,111 --> 00:16:19,410
- Hmm.
439
00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:21,145
- And so then we were trying
to find out
440
00:16:21,214 --> 00:16:22,580
who this Ece girl is,
441
00:16:22,649 --> 00:16:24,515
the person you sent
the money to.
442
00:16:24,584 --> 00:16:26,417
So we went back
to his Instagram.
443
00:16:26,486 --> 00:16:28,686
We went to see
who he was following.
444
00:16:28,755 --> 00:16:31,122
We ended up seeing Ece.
445
00:16:31,191 --> 00:16:33,958
Yeah, that's--that's her.
446
00:16:34,027 --> 00:16:36,594
So nothing really with Chris,
447
00:16:36,663 --> 00:16:38,196
and they're
supposed to be close.
448
00:16:38,264 --> 00:16:40,832
- Hmm.
- We reached out to her.
449
00:16:42,135 --> 00:16:44,302
- Have you ever talked to her
through social media?.
450
00:16:44,371 --> 00:16:46,504
- No, not that I can remember.
451
00:16:46,573 --> 00:16:50,174
- So you've never communicated
with her one on one at all?
452
00:16:50,243 --> 00:16:51,509
- No, I can't.
453
00:16:51,578 --> 00:16:53,478
He said
she doesn't speak English.
454
00:16:53,546 --> 00:16:57,482
- Interesting.
- So what if Chris is Ece?
455
00:16:57,550 --> 00:16:59,951
- That could explain
not talking on the phone.
456
00:17:00,020 --> 00:17:01,652
- Right.
457
00:17:01,721 --> 00:17:03,287
- She definitely seems to have
some of the same hobbies.
458
00:17:03,356 --> 00:17:05,656
She's into video games
and gaming.
459
00:17:05,725 --> 00:17:07,692
♪ ♪
460
00:17:07,761 --> 00:17:09,560
- How would you feel
about that?
461
00:17:09,629 --> 00:17:11,229
♪ ♪
462
00:17:11,297 --> 00:17:12,897
- I honestly don't know.
463
00:17:12,966 --> 00:17:14,866
♪ ♪
464
00:17:14,934 --> 00:17:17,168
That's not a deal breaker.
465
00:17:17,237 --> 00:17:19,170
- Ooh.
- Oh.
466
00:17:19,239 --> 00:17:20,671
- Okay, that's good.
467
00:17:20,740 --> 00:17:22,173
- [chuckles]
468
00:17:22,242 --> 00:17:23,741
- Now you have
a little crush on her.
469
00:17:23,810 --> 00:17:25,243
- I just think
she's really pretty.
470
00:17:25,311 --> 00:17:26,577
- She is really pretty.
471
00:17:26,646 --> 00:17:28,212
I mean, if this is
who you're talking to--
472
00:17:28,281 --> 00:17:29,914
- I wouldn't be upset.
473
00:17:29,983 --> 00:17:32,817
- And obviously, you guys had
a strong connection for years.
474
00:17:32,886 --> 00:17:35,319
- Have you dated girls also?
- Yes.
475
00:17:35,388 --> 00:17:37,488
- Would you say that you
identify as bisexual?
476
00:17:37,557 --> 00:17:40,358
- Yes.
- Does Chris know that?
477
00:17:40,427 --> 00:17:41,993
- We have not
talked about that, no.
478
00:17:42,062 --> 00:17:43,394
- Well, that's interesting.
479
00:17:43,463 --> 00:17:45,229
So maybe if it is Ece
you've been talking to,
480
00:17:45,298 --> 00:17:47,665
she was afraid to come clean
because she didn't think
481
00:17:47,734 --> 00:17:50,301
you'd be comfortable
dating a girl.
482
00:17:50,370 --> 00:17:51,702
So I don't know what to do.
483
00:17:51,771 --> 00:17:54,639
I think, at this point,
we're kind of out of options
484
00:17:54,707 --> 00:17:56,374
except to reach out
to Christoffer.
485
00:17:56,443 --> 00:17:58,476
So what it's gonna,
I think, come down to is,
486
00:17:58,545 --> 00:18:01,512
you're gonna need
to be prepared to give him
487
00:18:01,581 --> 00:18:04,449
or her an ultimatum and say,
488
00:18:04,517 --> 00:18:07,118
"Hey, if we're gonna keep being
in a relationship,
489
00:18:07,187 --> 00:18:09,787
"I need to talk to you.
I need to know who you are.
490
00:18:09,856 --> 00:18:14,158
And if not, are you prepared to
stop being in a relationship?"
491
00:18:14,227 --> 00:18:16,127
- I don't know.
492
00:18:16,196 --> 00:18:21,365
♪ ♪
493
00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:23,634
I'm sorry.
I'm probably about to cry.
494
00:18:23,703 --> 00:18:27,572
- You just--you need to do
what's best for you.
495
00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,373
- You're kind of
losing yourself
496
00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:31,242
to morph
into the interests of Chris.
497
00:18:31,311 --> 00:18:33,578
I just wish that it felt like
498
00:18:33,646 --> 00:18:35,713
he was making
as much of an effort for you.
499
00:18:35,782 --> 00:18:36,848
- Yeah.
500
00:18:36,916 --> 00:18:38,382
- This has been three years
of your life.
501
00:18:38,451 --> 00:18:40,118
It's okay to be emotional
about that.
502
00:18:40,186 --> 00:18:42,353
It's okay to be emotional about
the fact that you're giving,
503
00:18:42,422 --> 00:18:45,723
giving, giving to someone
and having to accept
504
00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:47,525
whatever they give you
in return,
505
00:18:47,594 --> 00:18:49,193
even though
you know deep down inside,
506
00:18:49,262 --> 00:18:52,430
it's not enough.
- Yeah.
507
00:18:52,499 --> 00:18:54,832
- You deserve to get
what you want.
508
00:18:54,901 --> 00:18:56,634
So I think
we should message him
509
00:18:56,703 --> 00:18:58,870
and just say,
"Hey, we're helping Courtney.
510
00:18:58,938 --> 00:19:01,205
"I know you guys haven't been
able to video chat in the past,
511
00:19:01,274 --> 00:19:03,975
"but I think
now's the perfect time."
512
00:19:04,043 --> 00:19:05,076
And see what he says.
513
00:19:05,145 --> 00:19:06,777
- Okay.
514
00:19:06,846 --> 00:19:07,845
- "Hey, Christoffer.
515
00:19:07,914 --> 00:19:09,447
"This is Nev from
the MTV show 'Catfish.'
516
00:19:09,516 --> 00:19:10,581
"We're helping
your girlfriend Courtney,
517
00:19:10,650 --> 00:19:12,416
"hoping to help you guys
connect via Zoom
518
00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:13,951
"and finally meet face-to-face.
519
00:19:14,020 --> 00:19:15,653
Looking forward to hearing
back from you."
520
00:19:15,722 --> 00:19:17,522
How's that?
- Sounds good.
521
00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:19,690
- Sent.
Okay, cool.
522
00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:21,726
♪ ♪
523
00:19:21,794 --> 00:19:23,561
All right,
so now let's see what happens.
524
00:19:23,630 --> 00:19:24,729
- How do you feel?
525
00:19:24,797 --> 00:19:26,764
How are your anxiety levels
right now?
526
00:19:26,833 --> 00:19:29,500
- They're peaking.
- Mm-hmm.
527
00:19:29,569 --> 00:19:30,935
- It's the middle
of the night there.
528
00:19:31,004 --> 00:19:32,336
I don't know
if he stays up late or not,
529
00:19:32,405 --> 00:19:34,805
but let's assume he's sleeping.
530
00:19:34,874 --> 00:19:36,407
Fingers crossed,
in the morning,
531
00:19:36,476 --> 00:19:38,109
he gets the message,
and we wake up
532
00:19:38,178 --> 00:19:39,610
to a message
from him saying,
533
00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:41,913
"I'm available
whenever you want."
534
00:19:41,981 --> 00:19:44,682
- I mean, I'm really nervous
either way.
535
00:19:44,751 --> 00:19:48,753
- Courtney, you deserve more,
so let's get that for you.
536
00:19:48,821 --> 00:19:51,522
- Thanks, guys.
- All right, Courtney.
537
00:19:51,591 --> 00:19:53,024
Talk to you tomorrow.
538
00:19:53,092 --> 00:19:54,992
- All right.
Talk to you guys tomorrow.
539
00:19:55,061 --> 00:19:56,460
- Bye.
540
00:19:56,529 --> 00:19:58,262
- I mean, Courtney
is holding it together,
541
00:19:58,331 --> 00:20:00,298
but she is very emotional,
542
00:20:00,366 --> 00:20:03,267
and this is the longest
relationship she's been in.
543
00:20:03,336 --> 00:20:07,338
If this doesn't go well and we
find out that this person
544
00:20:07,407 --> 00:20:09,006
has just sort of
been playing with her
545
00:20:09,075 --> 00:20:10,441
and using her for money,
546
00:20:10,510 --> 00:20:13,277
that is gonna be
very, very bad.
547
00:20:13,346 --> 00:20:15,580
[dramatic music]
548
00:20:15,648 --> 00:20:16,614
[phone chimes]
549
00:20:16,683 --> 00:20:19,417
- Oh, my God.
Okay.
550
00:20:19,485 --> 00:20:22,220
I have a DM from Courtney.
551
00:20:22,288 --> 00:20:23,688
"Sorry to bother you right now.
552
00:20:23,756 --> 00:20:25,623
"Chris messaged me,
and he said
553
00:20:25,692 --> 00:20:26,924
"that he wouldn't video chat
554
00:20:26,993 --> 00:20:28,759
without talking
to you guys first."
555
00:20:28,828 --> 00:20:32,330
Okay, that's not a problem.
556
00:20:32,398 --> 00:20:34,632
I know it's late Nev's time,
557
00:20:34,701 --> 00:20:37,602
but I'm happy to talk to him.
558
00:20:37,670 --> 00:20:39,003
Like, whatever it takes
559
00:20:39,072 --> 00:20:42,607
to get him to show up tomorrow
is fine by me.
560
00:20:42,675 --> 00:20:44,575
If we have to do
a little coercing...
561
00:20:44,644 --> 00:20:46,944
[sighs]
Fine.
562
00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:49,013
[phone chimes]
563
00:20:49,082 --> 00:20:50,248
Ooh, I got something.
I got something.
564
00:20:50,316 --> 00:20:51,549
I got something.
Okay.
565
00:20:51,618 --> 00:20:54,118
"I was told to message you?"
Question mark.
566
00:20:54,187 --> 00:20:57,855
Guess I just keep it friendly.
What the [bleep] do I say?
567
00:20:57,924 --> 00:21:03,060
"Hey, my name is Kamie.
I host the show with Nev."
568
00:21:03,129 --> 00:21:04,762
♪ ♪
569
00:21:04,831 --> 00:21:09,400
"Courtney told me
you got our message
570
00:21:09,469 --> 00:21:14,005
and wanted to chat,"
smiley face.
571
00:21:15,308 --> 00:21:17,408
He said, "Yeah.
I don't know about the show
572
00:21:17,477 --> 00:21:20,011
and don't want to know."
Hmm.
573
00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:23,681
How would you feel
about jumping on Zoom
574
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:27,852
with us tomorrow
and keeping your camera off?
575
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,955
Once you're comfortable,
you could turn it on.
576
00:21:31,024 --> 00:21:32,857
♪ ♪
577
00:21:32,925 --> 00:21:35,026
He said, "Ha. No.
Stop pushing it."
578
00:21:35,094 --> 00:21:35,993
What?
579
00:21:36,062 --> 00:21:39,497
Not pushing,
just making convo.
580
00:21:39,565 --> 00:21:40,831
♪ ♪
581
00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:43,501
"You're pushing.
I don't like you very much."
582
00:21:43,569 --> 00:21:45,936
What the hell?
583
00:21:46,005 --> 00:21:48,506
This guy is just full
of [bleep] and making excuses.
584
00:21:48,574 --> 00:21:51,609
But Courtney would be there.
She's really cool, by the way.
585
00:21:51,678 --> 00:21:53,944
And she's very into you.
586
00:21:55,148 --> 00:21:57,782
"I'm not doing the show.
Don't contact me again.
587
00:21:57,850 --> 00:21:59,383
Good night."
[bleep].
588
00:21:59,452 --> 00:22:00,851
I think I just [bleep] this up.
589
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,020
♪ ♪
590
00:22:05,925 --> 00:22:07,358
- All right, let's see.
What do we got?
591
00:22:07,427 --> 00:22:10,027
Oh, whoa.
Wait a second.
592
00:22:10,096 --> 00:22:12,163
Yesterday night, "Hey, Nev,
I just tried calling you.
593
00:22:12,231 --> 00:22:13,898
"If you could get a hold of me
whenever you're able to,
594
00:22:13,966 --> 00:22:16,801
I'd really appreciate it.
It's important."
595
00:22:16,869 --> 00:22:18,569
And then Kamie.
Oh, boy.
596
00:22:18,638 --> 00:22:21,772
Some drama seems to have
transpired overnight.
597
00:22:21,841 --> 00:22:23,441
[dramatic music]
598
00:22:23,509 --> 00:22:24,742
[computer chimes]
599
00:22:24,811 --> 00:22:26,110
What did I miss?
600
00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:27,945
- The tea is piping hot
this morning.
601
00:22:28,014 --> 00:22:29,180
- What?
602
00:22:29,248 --> 00:22:31,182
- So last night,
I had a DM from Courtney...
603
00:22:31,250 --> 00:22:32,483
- Mm-hmm.
604
00:22:32,552 --> 00:22:35,686
- Basically saying Chris says
that he doesn't want
605
00:22:35,755 --> 00:22:38,723
to talk to us
because he doesn't know us,
606
00:22:38,791 --> 00:22:40,224
and he doesn't want to talk
to any strangers.
607
00:22:40,293 --> 00:22:41,292
- Sure.
608
00:22:41,361 --> 00:22:42,893
- And Chris was asking
609
00:22:42,962 --> 00:22:46,030
if he could talk to you or I
610
00:22:46,099 --> 00:22:47,965
because he just wants
to be comfortable.
611
00:22:48,034 --> 00:22:49,867
But I just told her like,
"Yeah, for sure.
612
00:22:49,936 --> 00:22:52,303
Have him message me."
So he does.
613
00:22:52,372 --> 00:22:55,039
- Oh!
Okay, wait.
614
00:22:55,108 --> 00:22:58,909
Let's get Courtney in the Zoom
so you can fill us both in.
615
00:22:58,978 --> 00:23:02,012
So you and Chris
have now been texting.
616
00:23:02,081 --> 00:23:03,314
- Mm-hmm.
617
00:23:03,383 --> 00:23:04,315
[computer chimes]
618
00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:05,282
Oh.
- Hi.
619
00:23:05,351 --> 00:23:06,317
- Hey.
- Hey.
620
00:23:06,386 --> 00:23:07,585
- What's up, guys?
621
00:23:07,653 --> 00:23:09,387
- There is a lot
going on right now.
622
00:23:09,455 --> 00:23:12,656
- I'm just getting filled in
on last night's events.
623
00:23:12,725 --> 00:23:13,924
- So Chris and I,
624
00:23:13,993 --> 00:23:15,960
we had a conversation,
and I said,
625
00:23:16,028 --> 00:23:18,329
"Hi, my name is Kamie.
I host the show with Nev.
626
00:23:18,398 --> 00:23:20,131
"How would you feel
about jumping on Zoom
627
00:23:20,199 --> 00:23:23,033
with us tomorrow and keeping
your camera off to start?"
628
00:23:23,102 --> 00:23:24,802
And he said, "Ha. No.
629
00:23:24,871 --> 00:23:27,838
Stop pushing it.
I don't like you very much."
630
00:23:27,907 --> 00:23:30,174
And then he said,
"I'm not doing the show.
631
00:23:30,243 --> 00:23:32,276
Don't contact me again.
Good night."
632
00:23:33,346 --> 00:23:34,545
- Whoa.
633
00:23:34,614 --> 00:23:36,914
- I didn't know what to do
at this point.
634
00:23:36,983 --> 00:23:39,617
But then, I'm in the bed,
about to fall asleep,
635
00:23:39,685 --> 00:23:42,052
and lo and behold, I get a DM.
636
00:23:42,121 --> 00:23:44,054
He says, "I was told
to message you to talk
637
00:23:44,123 --> 00:23:45,156
"a bit to get comfortable.
638
00:23:45,224 --> 00:23:47,124
I don't want to talk
about the show."
639
00:23:47,193 --> 00:23:48,359
So I'm like, "Okay, cool.
640
00:23:48,428 --> 00:23:49,493
Let's talk
about something else."
641
00:23:49,562 --> 00:23:51,262
And let me just say,
642
00:23:51,330 --> 00:23:52,930
it's an interesting ride.
643
00:23:52,999 --> 00:23:56,767
Let me scroll
all the way to the top.
644
00:23:56,836 --> 00:23:58,803
- Oh, my God.
Are you kidding me?
645
00:23:58,871 --> 00:24:00,271
- I said, "Let's talk
about something else.
646
00:24:00,339 --> 00:24:02,706
I hear you're into anime.
I know a few good ones."
647
00:24:02,775 --> 00:24:04,909
I lied.
I don't know a few good ones.
648
00:24:04,977 --> 00:24:07,745
He said, "Yeah, anime,
games, books, nerd stuff."
649
00:24:07,814 --> 00:24:09,079
Games, I know.
650
00:24:09,148 --> 00:24:10,514
We start talking
about different games.
651
00:24:10,583 --> 00:24:12,116
We start talking
about consoles.
652
00:24:12,185 --> 00:24:14,485
Like, clearly, we get
into a full-ass convo.
653
00:24:14,554 --> 00:24:18,122
And that was when we started
having a little vibe.
654
00:24:18,191 --> 00:24:20,424
When it seemed like
we had gotten somewhere
655
00:24:20,493 --> 00:24:22,693
and I was like,
"It was good talking to you."
656
00:24:22,762 --> 00:24:25,396
And he was like, "Oh, okay.
Well, I'll talk to you later."
657
00:24:25,465 --> 00:24:29,200
And then this morning,
he messages me, "Eh, hi."
658
00:24:29,268 --> 00:24:33,771
So now I don't know
how to segue into this
659
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,275
because whether I'm talking to
Ece or Chris or someone else,
660
00:24:38,344 --> 00:24:40,010
when it comes to getting them
on a Zoom,
661
00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:44,548
clearly, any mention of it
is like, "No."
662
00:24:44,617 --> 00:24:47,084
- Whenever I go about talking
about important things
663
00:24:47,153 --> 00:24:48,085
with him,
664
00:24:48,154 --> 00:24:50,287
I kind of, like,
ease it onto him.
665
00:24:50,356 --> 00:24:51,755
- Courtney, no offense,
666
00:24:51,824 --> 00:24:54,391
but, like, the gentle tactics
you've been using
667
00:24:54,460 --> 00:24:55,893
might have been effective
668
00:24:55,962 --> 00:24:58,028
in slowly
making him more comfortable,
669
00:24:58,097 --> 00:25:00,097
but certainly hasn't
been enough to get him
670
00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:01,832
to actually show his face yet.
671
00:25:01,901 --> 00:25:03,000
So at some point,
we have to say,
672
00:25:03,069 --> 00:25:04,435
"Hey, so today is the day.
673
00:25:04,504 --> 00:25:05,936
"If you're not gonna do it,
then fine,
674
00:25:06,005 --> 00:25:08,439
but if you are,
it has to be, like, now."
675
00:25:08,508 --> 00:25:09,907
- Okay, let me try this.
676
00:25:09,976 --> 00:25:14,011
Real talk--
let's talk about Courtney,
677
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,482
because that's no game.
That's real life.
678
00:25:18,551 --> 00:25:19,717
- Nice.
679
00:25:19,785 --> 00:25:21,886
[phone chimes]
680
00:25:21,954 --> 00:25:23,621
- "Okay."
That's good.
681
00:25:23,689 --> 00:25:25,022
That's a positive reaction
682
00:25:25,091 --> 00:25:27,358
to talking about
the reality of his life.
683
00:25:27,426 --> 00:25:30,461
- I said, "I obviously know
how she feels about you.
684
00:25:30,530 --> 00:25:33,831
How do you feel about her?"
- Oh, okay.
685
00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:36,867
[dramatic music]
686
00:25:36,936 --> 00:25:39,103
- He said,
"I like her a lot and all."
687
00:25:39,171 --> 00:25:41,472
- Aw.
- "I'm just not really sure
688
00:25:41,541 --> 00:25:43,073
if I love, though."
689
00:25:43,142 --> 00:25:45,910
- He's not very open
on the whole emotional stuff.
690
00:25:45,978 --> 00:25:47,244
- "But don't get me wrong,
691
00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:49,647
"it isn't just her,
it's in general.
692
00:25:49,715 --> 00:25:52,049
"I don't think I'm capable
of the feeling.
693
00:25:52,118 --> 00:25:54,118
But I do like her
a lot, I guess."
694
00:25:54,387 --> 00:25:55,719
- I don't know what
to say to that.
695
00:25:55,788 --> 00:25:57,221
- Could this just be
696
00:25:57,290 --> 00:25:59,456
Ece not being comfortable
with her sexuality?
697
00:25:59,525 --> 00:26:00,691
That's what it sounds
like to me.
698
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:01,759
[phone chimes]
699
00:26:01,827 --> 00:26:04,061
"I'm not gonna be on camera."
700
00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:07,398
"Courtney is open-minded,
701
00:26:07,466 --> 00:26:11,135
"even if you're not
the guy in the picture.
702
00:26:11,203 --> 00:26:15,906
Courtney's camera is on,
and she looks really pretty."
703
00:26:16,576 --> 00:26:18,242
- You're so sweet.
704
00:26:18,311 --> 00:26:20,344
- Listen,
we got to lure him in.
705
00:26:22,114 --> 00:26:24,848
Said, "Sure she does."
- Aw.
706
00:26:24,917 --> 00:26:26,317
- Okay, send me the link.
707
00:26:26,385 --> 00:26:28,886
Send me the link, Nev.
We're in a sweet spot.
708
00:26:28,955 --> 00:26:30,921
- All right, sent.
- Copy, paste.
709
00:26:30,990 --> 00:26:32,056
Sent to Chris.
710
00:26:32,124 --> 00:26:33,791
Ha!
711
00:26:33,859 --> 00:26:36,026
♪ ♪
712
00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:38,162
- They said, "Okay."
- They said, "Okay."
713
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:40,397
- Let's see if
they follow through.
714
00:26:40,466 --> 00:26:41,632
- Are you okay?
715
00:26:41,701 --> 00:26:44,401
- My anxiety is kind of up.
716
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:47,371
♪ ♪
717
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,773
[computer chimes]
718
00:26:49,842 --> 00:26:52,176
- [synthesized voice] Hi.
719
00:26:52,244 --> 00:26:55,846
- Hello?
Can you hear us?
720
00:26:55,915 --> 00:26:57,348
If you can hear us,
maybe you could--
721
00:26:57,416 --> 00:26:59,516
- Oh.
722
00:26:59,585 --> 00:27:02,319
There he is.
- Yes, I can hear you.
723
00:27:02,622 --> 00:27:04,321
I can hear everything.
724
00:27:05,091 --> 00:27:06,490
- What is happening?
725
00:27:07,426 --> 00:27:08,359
[uneasy music]
726
00:27:08,427 --> 00:27:10,127
[bright chime]
- Oh.
727
00:27:12,031 --> 00:27:14,665
- [synthesized voice] Hi.
728
00:27:14,734 --> 00:27:18,102
- Hello?
Can you hear us?
729
00:27:18,170 --> 00:27:19,870
If you can hear us,
maybe you could--
730
00:27:19,939 --> 00:27:23,507
- Oh.
There he is.
731
00:27:23,576 --> 00:27:24,908
- Hi.
732
00:27:24,977 --> 00:27:29,947
Yes, I can hear you.
I can hear everything.
733
00:27:33,386 --> 00:27:37,454
Sorry for being off camera.
I'm not talking.
734
00:27:37,523 --> 00:27:39,289
I am not comfortable.
735
00:27:39,358 --> 00:27:41,859
- Okay.
Well, hello.
736
00:27:41,927 --> 00:27:46,296
I'm Kamie,
Nev, and Courtney.
737
00:27:46,365 --> 00:27:50,634
- Hi.
- Hi, Courtney.
738
00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:57,741
- Please just talk
739
00:27:57,810 --> 00:28:01,311
without, like, robot sound.
740
00:28:02,248 --> 00:28:04,248
- I don't like my voice.
741
00:28:05,518 --> 00:28:08,118
- You have to say something,
eventually.
742
00:28:09,288 --> 00:28:11,422
- This is the voice
I'm comfortable with.
743
00:28:12,525 --> 00:28:14,892
- Ece, if that's you,
it's okay.
744
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,326
We're all open-minded here.
745
00:28:16,395 --> 00:28:18,195
And Courtney
is okay with that.
746
00:28:18,264 --> 00:28:20,097
- I am not an imposter.
747
00:28:20,166 --> 00:28:23,934
I am not Ece.
I am Chris.
748
00:28:33,713 --> 00:28:35,746
- Now that you're talking,
749
00:28:35,815 --> 00:28:37,047
your voice is great.
750
00:28:43,255 --> 00:28:44,521
- So, Chris,
751
00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:47,658
so you are in Turkey
right now, right?
752
00:28:48,427 --> 00:28:51,161
- Yeah.
- And are you also 22?
753
00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:53,630
Right, that's how old
I think you said you were.
754
00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:55,733
- Yeah.
755
00:28:56,368 --> 00:28:58,702
- Courtney,
why don't you explain to Chris
756
00:28:58,771 --> 00:29:01,472
why this is even happening?
757
00:29:02,007 --> 00:29:05,042
- Well, long story short,
this is what Kamie and Nev do.
758
00:29:05,111 --> 00:29:07,544
They help people
meet each other.
759
00:29:07,947 --> 00:29:09,213
They make it easier.
760
00:29:14,954 --> 00:29:18,655
- You've been asked for a call
for three years, though.
761
00:29:29,635 --> 00:29:31,668
- Well, listen,
even talking to us
762
00:29:31,737 --> 00:29:33,270
is a big step for you.
763
00:29:33,339 --> 00:29:34,872
It was just as much
of a big step for Courtney
764
00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:37,541
after, you know, three years
of you guys talking.
765
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:41,178
It's been a long time.
And all she's wanted is,
766
00:29:41,247 --> 00:29:43,614
like, literally
this moment right now.
767
00:29:44,617 --> 00:29:46,283
- Yeah.
768
00:29:46,352 --> 00:29:52,523
The thing is, I don't like
my voice and the way I look
769
00:29:52,591 --> 00:29:59,229
'cause, even though I'm a guy,
I have a condition,
770
00:29:59,298 --> 00:30:01,632
basically
a hormonal imbalance,
771
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:07,137
which is why I sound, like,
softer than a normal guy would.
772
00:30:07,206 --> 00:30:11,141
And I have more,
like, softer features.
773
00:30:11,944 --> 00:30:16,780
So that's one of the reasons
why I didn't even want to call,
774
00:30:16,849 --> 00:30:18,248
'cause even my friends
775
00:30:18,317 --> 00:30:23,387
sometimes, like,
pick on me for this thing.
776
00:30:23,455 --> 00:30:24,955
- Yeah.
777
00:30:25,024 --> 00:30:28,091
But you know that Courtney
is not one of those people.
778
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,995
- Courtney is understanding
and loving.
779
00:30:32,064 --> 00:30:33,964
- It's been, like, so long
that even
780
00:30:34,033 --> 00:30:38,135
if I were comfortable enough
to share myself with her,
781
00:30:38,204 --> 00:30:41,672
it would be just kind
of awkward for me.
782
00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:43,540
- Also, what do you think?
Do you just see her
783
00:30:43,609 --> 00:30:46,143
as like a cool friend
that you talk about stuff
784
00:30:46,212 --> 00:30:48,645
that you guys
both like together with?
785
00:30:49,315 --> 00:30:51,415
- Obviously, she's more
than a friend.
786
00:30:52,785 --> 00:30:54,585
- Hmm.
787
00:30:54,653 --> 00:30:59,189
- Chris, I think,
despite your insecurities,
788
00:30:59,258 --> 00:31:02,125
you already know
that you're a likable person,
789
00:31:02,628 --> 00:31:04,494
even if you may
not like yourself.
790
00:31:04,563 --> 00:31:07,998
But you and I both know
what you have to do right now.
791
00:31:08,367 --> 00:31:11,768
It's time to come on screen
to let Courtney see you.
792
00:31:13,272 --> 00:31:17,674
- I know this was gonna come.
- Please.
793
00:31:21,046 --> 00:31:22,880
- Okay.
794
00:31:22,948 --> 00:31:25,782
[suspenseful music]
795
00:31:25,851 --> 00:31:30,087
Hold on.
796
00:31:30,155 --> 00:31:31,622
No, no.
It's good.
797
00:31:39,565 --> 00:31:42,232
- You already know
that you're a likable person,
798
00:31:42,301 --> 00:31:44,167
even
if you may not like yourself.
799
00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:48,872
But it's time to come on screen
to let Courtney see you.
800
00:31:52,511 --> 00:31:54,011
- Please.
801
00:31:55,381 --> 00:31:58,315
[suspenseful music]
802
00:32:01,687 --> 00:32:03,787
No, no.
It's good.
803
00:32:11,597 --> 00:32:13,096
[quiet dramatic music]
804
00:32:13,165 --> 00:32:16,967
- Yay!
- There you are.
805
00:32:18,370 --> 00:32:20,837
So the picture you sent her,
that was you?
806
00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:27,144
- Well, Courtney,
looking at Chris,
807
00:32:27,212 --> 00:32:29,746
I'm going to bet
that you like what you see.
808
00:32:29,815 --> 00:32:32,416
- Yeah.
I'm so happy.
809
00:32:34,753 --> 00:32:36,753
I see nothing
but perfection right here.
810
00:32:36,822 --> 00:32:40,857
So--you're so perfect.
811
00:32:42,861 --> 00:32:44,328
- I mean, how does
that feel, Chris?
812
00:32:44,396 --> 00:32:46,596
Like, this is the girl
who you've been talking to
813
00:32:46,665 --> 00:32:49,566
for a long-ass time,
and you guys are really cool.
814
00:32:49,635 --> 00:32:53,770
And she doesn't care
about any of the things
815
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,173
that you're
the most insecure about.
816
00:32:56,241 --> 00:33:00,210
Like, she doesn't give
a [bleep] about hormones.
817
00:33:12,424 --> 00:33:13,924
- I know.
818
00:33:13,993 --> 00:33:15,892
- It's okay to be nervous.
819
00:33:18,864 --> 00:33:21,999
- Chris, the question
that I have now is,
820
00:33:22,067 --> 00:33:24,468
you know, normally someone
in your situation,
821
00:33:24,536 --> 00:33:28,005
who is very private
with their identity,
822
00:33:28,073 --> 00:33:29,940
we would assume
that you weren't the person
823
00:33:30,009 --> 00:33:31,108
in that picture.
824
00:33:31,176 --> 00:33:33,377
Since that was a picture
of you,
825
00:33:33,445 --> 00:33:35,078
why then didn't you
at least feel comfortable
826
00:33:35,147 --> 00:33:36,613
sending other photos?
827
00:33:36,682 --> 00:33:39,016
That way, at least
you could control the pictures
828
00:33:39,084 --> 00:33:40,650
that she sees of you
that you like,
829
00:33:40,719 --> 00:33:41,918
that you feel good about.
830
00:33:47,393 --> 00:33:49,559
- Have you always felt
like that?
831
00:33:52,031 --> 00:33:53,830
- Have you had a relationship,
832
00:33:53,899 --> 00:33:57,434
a girlfriend,
in person in Turkey?
833
00:33:59,038 --> 00:34:01,505
So would it be fair to say
that physical intimacy
834
00:34:01,573 --> 00:34:05,175
is not something
you're super experienced with?
835
00:34:05,911 --> 00:34:07,811
- Yeah.
836
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,246
- I asked because
I know Courtney
837
00:34:09,314 --> 00:34:11,548
is probably ready to get
on a plane tomorrow.
838
00:34:11,617 --> 00:34:13,350
Are you nervous about that?
839
00:34:13,886 --> 00:34:15,285
- Kind of.
840
00:34:26,598 --> 00:34:29,900
- You know, you say that,
but I'm looking at Courtney,
841
00:34:29,968 --> 00:34:32,836
and it's--it's not adding up.
842
00:34:32,905 --> 00:34:34,671
- I only have two hands.
843
00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:37,174
I'm pointing at myself
with all ten fingers.
844
00:34:37,709 --> 00:34:40,944
- I'm just saying
I think that, for once,
845
00:34:41,013 --> 00:34:43,480
you could maybe
give yourself permission
846
00:34:43,549 --> 00:34:47,884
to not think
that someone doesn't like you,
847
00:34:47,953 --> 00:34:49,619
because she does.
848
00:34:49,688 --> 00:34:51,555
And you keep trying
to tell her she doesn't.
849
00:34:51,623 --> 00:34:52,923
And she keeps trying
to tell you
850
00:34:52,991 --> 00:34:54,324
that she does, so...
851
00:34:56,462 --> 00:34:57,861
- Hey, Chris, who is Ece?
852
00:35:03,469 --> 00:35:05,802
- Because Courtney mentioned
that she would send money
853
00:35:05,871 --> 00:35:07,804
and
that it would get sent to Ece.
854
00:35:08,507 --> 00:35:10,674
- Yeah.
- Why didn't you just have
855
00:35:10,742 --> 00:35:12,042
Courtney send money to you?
856
00:35:22,154 --> 00:35:24,054
- But you did give Courtney
some address.
857
00:35:26,792 --> 00:35:29,226
- So what was the money for?
858
00:35:56,622 --> 00:36:02,492
- Well, I think that they just
don't understand you.
859
00:36:03,362 --> 00:36:05,629
But I know someone
who does understand you.
860
00:36:08,333 --> 00:36:09,733
I do want for us to be able
861
00:36:09,801 --> 00:36:14,738
to give you guys an opportunity
to talk without us.
862
00:36:15,207 --> 00:36:17,174
- Yeah.
- Okay.
863
00:36:17,476 --> 00:36:19,276
- Okay, cool.
864
00:36:22,414 --> 00:36:24,080
- Hi.
865
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,560
- [sighs]
866
00:36:36,628 --> 00:36:37,961
- I'm....
867
00:36:47,172 --> 00:36:49,306
[pensive music]
868
00:36:49,374 --> 00:36:51,308
- All is forgiven now.
869
00:36:53,111 --> 00:36:55,579
So I wanted
to know something, though.
870
00:36:57,049 --> 00:37:00,717
- Yeah.
- You brought up
871
00:37:00,786 --> 00:37:05,455
the hormone imbalance.
Why were you afraid to tell me?
872
00:37:22,074 --> 00:37:24,174
- You can trust me
with anything.
873
00:37:26,378 --> 00:37:28,311
- I know.
874
00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:34,784
- So does this mean that
we'll be able to talk more,
875
00:37:34,853 --> 00:37:38,054
like on phone, video chat?
876
00:37:40,692 --> 00:37:43,193
- All right, yay.
877
00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:02,646
- Yeah.
878
00:38:07,486 --> 00:38:08,652
- Yeah.
879
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:09,819
- Well...
880
00:38:15,994 --> 00:38:17,794
- I'd like that.
881
00:38:17,863 --> 00:38:20,830
Would you be able to take me
to go pick some black roses?
882
00:38:20,899 --> 00:38:22,032
- Yeah.
883
00:38:30,142 --> 00:38:31,508
- Yep.
884
00:38:31,576 --> 00:38:34,611
I knew about it
'cause I looked it up.
885
00:38:37,482 --> 00:38:39,082
- That sounds really nice.
886
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:47,023
I'm just so excited.
[computer chimes]
887
00:38:47,092 --> 00:38:48,892
Hi, Kamie.
- Oh, hi.
888
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,460
[computer chimes]
889
00:38:50,529 --> 00:38:53,129
- Clearly, you guys were into
some kind of conversation.
890
00:38:53,198 --> 00:38:55,532
[Chris chuckles]
891
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,300
- All right, so how was it
for you guys just now?
892
00:38:57,369 --> 00:38:59,202
Did it feel good to chat
and hang out?
893
00:38:59,271 --> 00:39:01,571
- It felt really great,
actually.
894
00:39:06,345 --> 00:39:08,144
- Wow.
Very cool.
895
00:39:08,213 --> 00:39:09,813
- That's amazing.
896
00:39:09,881 --> 00:39:12,148
You know,
this is a good start.
897
00:39:12,217 --> 00:39:14,584
And I'm very proud
of both of you
898
00:39:14,653 --> 00:39:17,887
for coming on here and doing
what needed to be done.
899
00:39:17,956 --> 00:39:20,023
- Thanks.
900
00:39:20,092 --> 00:39:22,792
- It is refreshing to see
901
00:39:22,861 --> 00:39:25,895
that you guys
can now talk to each other.
902
00:39:26,198 --> 00:39:27,864
Chris, I think,
903
00:39:27,933 --> 00:39:31,101
despite your insecurities,
you have a lot going for you.
904
00:39:31,169 --> 00:39:33,670
And Courtney sees that.
We see that.
905
00:39:34,072 --> 00:39:35,872
So hopefully, this experience
can be the beginning
906
00:39:35,941 --> 00:39:37,207
of just starting to feel
907
00:39:37,275 --> 00:39:38,408
a little bit better
about yourself
908
00:39:38,477 --> 00:39:39,876
and a little bit
more confident.
909
00:39:39,945 --> 00:39:42,412
And I am excited for the two
of you to continue talking,
910
00:39:42,481 --> 00:39:43,947
and, hopefully, a trip
to Turkey
911
00:39:44,015 --> 00:39:45,382
will be on the horizon
912
00:39:45,450 --> 00:39:49,119
and you will finally meet
in real life someday soon.
913
00:39:49,187 --> 00:39:50,520
- Yeah.
914
00:39:50,589 --> 00:39:52,555
- That's the goal.
- All right.
915
00:39:52,624 --> 00:39:55,058
Great meeting you.
And talk to you soon, Chris.
916
00:39:55,127 --> 00:39:56,993
- Bye.
917
00:39:57,062 --> 00:39:58,895
Thank you.
- Good luck.
918
00:39:58,964 --> 00:40:02,732
- What do you think, Courtney?
919
00:40:02,801 --> 00:40:04,901
- I'm so happy.
920
00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:10,039
I had to suppress all of this.
Like, but finally!
921
00:40:10,942 --> 00:40:13,777
- Always know that you deserve
everything that you want.
922
00:40:13,845 --> 00:40:17,080
It will come from somebody.
It could be him.
923
00:40:17,149 --> 00:40:18,915
It could not be him.
And that's okay.
924
00:40:18,984 --> 00:40:20,283
- Either way, don't take
925
00:40:20,352 --> 00:40:22,719
anything less
than what you deserve.
926
00:40:22,788 --> 00:40:23,887
- Thank you.
927
00:40:23,955 --> 00:40:25,355
- Good luck.
928
00:40:25,424 --> 00:40:27,524
- Thank you.
Yeah, good luck, Courtney.
929
00:40:27,592 --> 00:40:34,497
- ♪ Can you blame
my human nature ♪
930
00:40:34,566 --> 00:40:39,502
♪ My human nature ♪
931
00:40:39,571 --> 00:40:45,375
♪ My human nature ♪
932
00:40:51,383 --> 00:40:52,582
- This person has been
on your show before.
933
00:40:52,651 --> 00:40:55,351
- You're talking to someone
who was on "Catfish"
934
00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:56,820
as the catfish.
935
00:40:56,888 --> 00:40:58,321
- Yes.
- What?!
936
00:40:58,390 --> 00:41:00,557
- Wow. This goes back
the last seven years.
937
00:41:00,625 --> 00:41:02,025
- People are coming for you.
938
00:41:02,093 --> 00:41:03,893
- It's time to get to
the bottom of who's doing this.
939
00:41:03,962 --> 00:41:06,296
- It could literally be anyone.
940
00:41:07,632 --> 00:41:09,399
- Hey.
- So you're the one.