- We got Tyler and Stefany.
"We met on Pornhub."
- Hoo! Spicy. - Wow, that's a first.
- So you're a porn star?
- Daddy got what he's got, you know?
We have, like, genuine, actual conversations.
It's not physical.
I love her. I really do.
- Oh! - [gasps]
"Married."
It says "married."
What the [bleep] is going on?
- "It's time you know the truth."
- What truth? - Here she comes.
[computer chimes] Oh.
[dramatic musical sting]
[upbeat music]
♪ ♪
All right.
Ooooh...oh!
Let's do this.
Hello, Kamie.
[computer chimes] - Hi.
- Should we get to work here?
- Ready.
Let's see. What do we got? - Whoo!
- Oh. - What's up?
- Hey, Ariel.
- Ariel.
- Have you met my brother?
- No, but you're the reason... - Not officially.
- Why I'm employed.
[laughter]
- You're amazing at what you do.
- Oh, thank you.
- So for those of you who don't know,
this is my brother Ariel.
Along with his friend Henry, they are the guys who
made the documentary "Catfish" about me
and whose office I am currently borrowing.
We were so young.
- [laughs] Yeah, I didn't know what I was stepping into.
I really just came to have lunch, but...
- Okay, well... - Let's read an email.
- Join us.
- All right, so here we go.
- "Hey, Nev and Kamie, my name is Tyler.
"I live in Massachusetts, and the girl I'm in love with,
"Stefany, lives in Florida.
"We've been talking for the last two years.
We met on Pornhub."
- Hoo! - Wow, that's a first.
I didn't even know you could meet on Pornhub.
- In the comments maybe? - In the comments?
- I wonder what category it was.
- Can't wait to find out.
- [laughs]
- ♪ It's been a couple years ♪
♪ Since I've been a little wasted ♪
- The next sentence is very funny.
"I wasn't exactly looking for a relationship."
- Yeah, obviously.
- "We exchanged phone numbers quickly
and began to talk every night."
♪ ♪
"It's hard for me to open up
"because of some bad breaks in my past."
So I'm very cautious."
- ♪ Could we slow down? ♪
♪ I just want you to be honest with me ♪
"But Stefany has given me hope."
- ♪ It gets so loud ♪
- "She's thoughtful, sexy,
"and my favorite thing about her
is that she's genuine."
- ♪ I'll wait at your door ♪
♪ All night on your porch ♪
- "She's everything to me.
And I'm ready to spend my life with her."
- ♪ I just want you to be honest with me ♪
- "But things have been a little fishy.
"We've never videochatted or met up.
"And I promise it's not from me not trying.
"But Stefany always has some excuse.
"I've tried to visit her in Florida,
"but her parents are always having to get surgeries,"
so she's always busy taking care of them."
This is, like, checking every box.
- Please hold.
- Where are you going?
- I just need to make sure I have them,
because clearly we need them.
- [laughs]
"So that's why I'm writing you.
"I want to make sure she's not a catfish,
"because I want to move forward with her,
"but I need to know that I can trust her.
"All of my hopes are with her
"and the strong connection we have.
"I hope I'm wrong to doubt her.
Tyler."
♪ ♪
I'm gonna text Tyler.
"Hey, Tyler.
"We want to help.
Jump in the zoom."
- How do you meet someone on Pornhub?
Is she supposed to be a porn star?
- Honestly, could Tyler be a porn star
and she's, like, a fan?
- Yeah, that's true.
- [laughs]
- All right, you should go eat lunch.
I'll let you know when we've talked to Tyler
and what he says.
"Catfish" O.G. out.
- Yes, period. - See you later, man.
- But can we talk about this crazy [bleep] story?
There's so many flags on the play.
Both of her parents are having multiple surgeries?
What the [bleep] is going on?
[computer chimes] - Oh.
- Ooh, Tyler. - Hey, Kamie, Nev.
- Hi. - What's up, buddy?
Where in Massachusetts are you?
- I'm in Marlborough.
- What do you do?
- I worked at a coffee shop, and, of course, you know,
all this COVID crap,
they've been shutting down things.
So I started making some porn.
- Ooh.
- You started making porn, amateur porn.
- Yeah, yes, and it's not amateur anymore, but yes.
- So you're a porn star?
- I'm--I'm not this huge porn star, obviously.
But Daddy--Daddy got what he's got, you know?
- So you're telling me now that your primary source
of income now is porn.
- Yes, yes.
- Wow. - Good for you.
You have to use your God-given talents.
- How often do you upload videos?
- And so I've been trying to do it every two weeks.
And don't do it with, like, the same girl.
- How does that work?
Do you have to go out and find women
who want to make porn with you?
- Right, and that's not the easiest thing to do,
of course, you know, like, people think,
"Oh, you're some creep.
You're some weirdo."
- How do you even find someone to, like, hit them up?
- Pornhub. - Oh.
- Yes.
- And so you saw her, and you're like, "Oh, she's cute."
- Yeah, and I messaged her.
We started talking and everything like that.
Of course, she's from Florida, so it didn't really lead
to anything of us making actual contact with each other.
But we would just actually just start talking.
- Was she also making and uploading porn?
- She did have a couple of videos.
- You saw what she looked like.
You saw her in a porn video.
- I didn't see her face....
- Mm. - But her body seemed to match
of what her pictures were.
- But Stefany's profile,
is there, like, a profile picture
that you can put up?
- Yes, she did have pictures of her face, yes.
- Interesting, but at the same time
her face wasn't in her videos.
- No, so a lot of girls, they don't want to, like,
the neighbor next door to know like,
"Oh, yeah, I just shot a porn video," you know,
so you always, like, keep their face out.
- What do you know about her?
Give us a sort of bio on Stefany.
- I know she has two parents that are sick.
And she says she lives a little away from Tampa.
- Are you guys the same age?
- She's 35. I'm 26.
- Oh, wow, okay, so she's a little older.
- Oh, yeah, that's fine.
- So has she been married?
Has she--does she have kids?
- Yeah, no, she has no kids as far as I'm concerned.
She's not married as far as I'm concerned.
None of those.
- What is it about Stefany?
What do you guys chat about?
- We have, like, genuine, actual conversations.
It's not physical, but it's us talking
and knowing each other.
I love her. I really do.
We talk on the phone basically almost every night.
- Wow. - If I'm upset, she's there.
I'll talk to her, and she'll-- she'll talk with me.
It's that genuine connection, and I [bleep] love that.
Like...I...
I haven't had that in so long.
I have a hard time connecting with people,
any type of, like, relationship or anything like that.
- You said that you've had some bad breaks in your past.
Is that relationship stuff?
- Yes. - What happened?
- Um, I was in a relationship with, um,
this girl for maybe, like, three years.
And it's, like, out of nowhere out of the blue
she just hits me up and says, like, oh, it's over.
And I tried hurting myself.
Thank God I'm good now.
- Well, I'm glad you made it through that.
- Yeah, it was really hard. It was really hard.
- So since then you haven't really had, like,
a serious relationship?
- The last year is just--no.
- And then two years ago you met Stefany.
- Stefany.
- Do you guys talk about being in a relationship in real life?
- Yeah, so we've talked about that, of course.
And I feel like we already have a relationship.
- But you've never videochatted.
- And that's why I'm hitting you guys up.
- Well, so yeah, what's the deal with that?
Because obviously she's using technology.
I mean, she's uploading videos.
How can she explain not FaceTiming?
- So she has, like, an Android, right?
And I have an iPhone.
I've mentioned, I was like, "Oh, do you have Facebook?"
"No."
"Do you want to download Snapchat?"
"No."
Every single time, there was an excuse
And he has been nerve-racking.
Here's the thing, so I tried to meet up with her before.
And it's, her father's sick or her mother's sick.
Every time it's somebody's sick.
- Right.
- I've been doing this for two years with her.
Just tell me.
Show me anything.
- Yeah, it's been two years.
- Yeah, it scares the heck out of me.
What if it's not her?
That why I got in contact with you guys.
- Do you have pictures that we can see?
- Yeah. - Oh, here we go.
Oh, hello. - Oh.
- So tig ol' bitties.
- Her bottom.
- I'm good.
- [laughs] - Scroll.
- Okay. - Okay.
- So but here she is normal looking very nice.
- Yeah, you know what I mean?
- Yeah, she looks like a normal girl.
But obviously there's something that keeps getting in the way.
- Always.
- Send us the pictures, her name, her phone number.
- Pornhub username.
- So recently she deleted her account.
I believe she had some verification issues.
- Is that because now in order to upload content on Pornhub
you have to have, like, a verified account?
- Yes.
- All right, well, we've got our work cut out for us.
We're gonna help.
- Thank you. Thank you so much.
- Talk soon. - All right, thank you, guys.
- Bye. - Okay, buh-bye.
[computer chimes] - Whew.
- Part of me feels like there's as much of a chance
that it is actually her as that there isn't,
It wasn't like she was trolling looking for guys to catfish.
- I think that it is her in the photos,
but something else is going on.
And she cannot let Tyler in on that.
- Right. What is she hiding?
- ♪ I've waited here all summer long ♪
♪ For you my love to come back home ♪
- Hey.
- All right, so what do we got here?
We got Tyler. He's 26.
He's uploading porn and looking for women
to want to make videos with him
and sees this girl Stefany.
They start chatting, and they fall in love.
The problem is, Stefany is a little shady.
She doesn't want to FaceTime.
Every time Tyler makes a plan to go down to visit her
in Florida she says that one of her parents is sick.
- He's, like, very much emotionally invested.
You can tell that he's, like... - Oh, yeah.
- Sick to his stomach even thinking about her
not being real.
- Maybe there's something big about her life
that he doesn't know that she's intentionally
been keeping from him.
So we've got to figure it out.
So let's see, we've got an email.
Okay, good. He sent us an email.
"Hey, guys, thanks for helping me.
"Here's what I know about Stefany.
Uncommon spelling.
S-T-E-F-A-N-Y.
"Her last name is Dunngar."
Unusual in a good way.
I mean, if there is someone named Stefany Dunngar,
we should be able to find her.
"She's lives in Largo, Florida.
"Her phone number...
"She doesn't have a Pornhub anymore,
But I remember her username on there was ny angel [bleep]."
And he sent her pictures.
All right, let me download these pictures.
All right, what should we start with, image search?
Let's do this one.
Nothing.
Here's another one.
Anything there? No.
Okay, oh, here's the boob pic,
which I doubt will show up, but...
- Are we searching those?
- Jesus Christ. - Oh, wait a second.
Wait a second. - What? What?
This--look at this.
- [gasps]
- The boob pic. - Oh.
- Whoa, a lot of hits.
- "[bleep] naked at a redneck party."
- All right, I'm clicking this.
- [laughs]
- Here it is.
- How do the titties come back out of everything?
- So this was from September of 2014.
- So this is old, then.
- Hold on. Let me just search this butt pic too,
'cause I wonder if that will show up.
Look, they're all showing up. This is ridiculous.
I mean, this--we've never had this many hits on pictures.
These are not, like, some girl sending him
cute pics of her butt.
Like, clearly whoever he's talking to
is getting these pictures off the internet.
- Or just posting them on the internet.
- That would be so weird if you're talking
to a woman, and you think she's your girlfriend.
And you're like, "Send me a pic,"
and she's like, "Okay," and then she just sends you
a pic that she's uploaded on the internet
that showed up on a ton of sites.
Like, no.
He thinks those are pictures that she's taking
I think we can officially and scall it.o him.
The "sexy photos" that Stefany has sent to Tyler are not her.
Now, we don't know if the face pics are her.
Because those didn't come back anywhere.
Let's go to Pornhub and see if we can find her.
Here we go.
- She said she deleted her [bleep],
but who knows? - Here we go.
"ny angel [bleep]." - Lord have mercy.
[funky music]
- Nothing.
Well, she told Tyler the truth about something.
She did close her account.
So let's run the number, the old phone number,
and see if we get anything there.
Ooh--oh! - [gasps]
- Oh, my God. Wait a second.
On Spokeo the number comes back to Lea Dunngar, Florida.
- Related to Stefany Dunngar.
- Oh, my God, Stefany with an F-A-N-Y.
- Oh, [bleep].
- I can't believe it.
So wait a second. - Oh, [bleep].
- So if it's a family plan,
at least she's not lying about her name.
- So I'm assuming that this is Stefany's mom.
- So let's look up.
So we want to look up Lea or Stefany.
I mean, let's just look up Stefany.
I mean, that's what she says her name is.
All right, well, there are some Stefanys.
All right, so there's no one on Facebook who spells their name
exactly like her.
Let's do Lea Dunngar.
No.
- What about a Google search for her name?
- All right, let's see.
No.
Lea Dunngar.
What's this? Oh, look.
There's a voter registration result for Lea Dunngar.
She's got a voter record.
Oh, here it says she's listed at 63.
- Okay. - So that would make
more sense. - Yeah, Stefany Dunngar.
You see it under "Relatives"?
- Stefany Dunngar.
- Search it.
- There she is, 35.
Just like she said.
- Click it. Click it.
"Married."
It says "married."
Oh, boy. - Bingo.
- Oh, boy.
- Girl.
Ay-yi-yi.
- Now, maybe she's divorced, but do you think she--
in two years she might have mentioned that, right?
- Right.
- But it looks like her name is Stefany Dunngar,
and she is 35, and she does live
in the Tampa area, which is all great.
I mean, shocking but positive.
- If I were to place my $1 bet right now,
I would say Stefany Dunngar is the girl in the photos,
but she is married.
- There's something going on here,
and Tyler's, like, not well-suited
for heartbreak and disappointment.
- No. I don't know if it's better to pull the Band-Aid off
now or later.
It's not looking good.
- All right, so it looks like her name is Stefany Dunngar,
and she is 35, and she does live in the Tampa area.
- But there's a possibility that Stefany
could still be married,
which would be the worst-case scenario.
But then how was she on the phone with him for hours
if she has a husband? - That's true.
Let's text Tyler.
"We've got some info..."
- Ay-yi-yi-yi.
- "Jump back in the zoom."
All right, he's coming in the zoom.
- Okay. - He's coming in.
[computer chimes]
- Welcome back. - What's up?
- Hey, how's everything?
- How are you feeling about all this since,
you know, we talked earlier?
- Really nerve-racking, you know?
I'm just waiting to see what you guys find out.
- [sighs] - Well, we've got
some very interesting information for you.
We started just searching all the photos that you sent us...
- Yeah. - Of Stefany.
And the first three were just pictures of her,
you know, normal sort of everyday,
and there were no hits.
And then we searched the picture of her breasts,
and that was our first hit.
And as you can see if you scroll down,
it shows up on a bunch of different sites.
It was posted apparently on 2014.
So if that is a pictures of Stefany
it's at least six years old,
and if it is actually her, it's something that she
must have shared or perhaps someone else shared of her.
But it's on the internet.
Were you under the impression that that was sort of
a just-now type of photo?
- Yeah. - It could be her.
- Right.
- I just think that would be weird
for her to have sent you a photo
that she's shared online...
- Something forever ago. - Six years ago. Like...
- Yep. - Just kind of weird.
So it suggests that maybe that's not her.
And maybe she found that picture online.
So we searched this one next,
the picture of her butt.
And that one also came back
with hits on a bunch of websites.
[tense music]
So think it's safe to say that the pictures she's sending you
that are sexy aren't her.
- Yeah.
I mean, it does look that way, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I know exactly what you're saying.
I mean, it was from years ago, like...
- Right. - This is all blowing my mind
- Right now; excuse me. - Right
- I mean, look, there's also the possibility
that she's careful.
Now, even though you met her on Pornhub,
her videos didn't show her face,
and so maybe even talking to you she just wants to be
extra careful, and so she doesn't want to take
any chances and send pictures of her actual body.
I could see that argument being made.
It doesn't change the fact that she is lying to you.
- Wow.
- Well, because I'm assuming that when she's sending you
these pictures you're commenting back to her
about how you feel about what she's sending you.
- Yeah, and so, like, I'm like, "Oh, wow, that's sexy,"
and, like, "Oh, that's hot."
But you're saying, like, exactly, it's years ago,
and so even if it is her,
I don't know, it's just not all adding up.
And I'm not liking this at all.
I'm not liking this.
- Well, this is where we kind of get to some good news, okay?
So next thing we wanted to do
is search her phone number, right?
So we did a search for the phone number.
And it came back to Lea Dunngar.
But then we scrolled down to her relatives,
and we found Stefany Dunngar.
- Yay, thank God.
- So then we did another search for Lea Dunngar.
And we found a voter registration website
in Florida.
We then were like, "Oh, let's search 'Stefany,'"
and we did "Stefanys," and we found
that she is also registered.
Stefany Dunngar. - Yay, 35.
- This was shockingly good.
And this a pretty official website.
I mean, her name... - Yes.
- Her age, where she-- the same city
that she says she lives in, like, crazy.
- Oh, yeah, oh, okay.
Yes, yay, okay.
I mean, this is sounding good.
It--like, better now, yeah.
- But here's the thing we found that you might not like.
- Oh, gosh.
- When we clicked on that,
look what it says.
- "Married."
- Yes.
- What's--son of a gun.
[laughs]
Ohh.
Wow.
I just don't even know what to think.
I'm speechless.
- For me I feel personally my gut instinct is telling me
that the pictures of the face of the girl that you know
to be Stefany is her.
But there is something in her personal life
that she is not sharing with you,
and maybe it is that she is married.
- ♪ My girl my girl ♪
♪ Ain't life a scream? ♪
- Something's up.
I have no idea what it is.
I--I want it to be her in the pictures.
And want there to be an explanation for all this,
but I can't come up with one right now, and,
like, I can't help but think that the truth
at the end of this may not be what you want.
- ♪ Into your eyes ♪
♪ Oh you crucify me ♪
- With everything you guys have been telling me,
I--I don't think so as well.
Like, I have no idea what to expect anymore.
♪ ♪
- ♪ My girl my girl ♪
♪ Help me understand ♪
- I mean, obviously nothing could happen
if she's married.
You guys have my head spinning.
- ♪ Your naked soul ♪
- Well, like, who am I talking to?
- ♪ Your naked soul ♪
- Clearly the relationship you have with Stefany is real,
and it appears that she is also real.
- Yeah.
- But one of two things is happening.
She's either not the girl in the pictures she sent you.
Or she could be the girl in the pictures,
but she's married
or has something in her life that she
doesn't want you to know about,
and that's why she's keeping you...
- In the dark.
- In Massachusetts, because if you come down there,
it would complicate things and be a problem.
- [sighs]
It's just--wow.
Everything you showed me, just wow.
[sighs]
- Well, what do you want to do at this point?
- I want to know who she is.
I really want to know now more than ever.
I want to know, is this who I'm talking to
in these pictures for years and years?
I want to know what-- what's going on?
- Right.
Because she has no social media,
and we can't find anything,
the only thing really for us to do at this point
is just reach out to her.
- Yeah. - With your permission,
I think we should call Stefany and see what she says.
- I've exhausted every other option.
- I don't know what else I could do.
- Right. All right.
Should I do it?
- Yeah.
[line trilling]
[tense music]
- Let me text her. "Hey, Stefany.
"This is Nev from 'Catfish.'
"We're trying to help you and Tyler finally 'meet up,'
and we're hoping to speak with you."
- So we'll see if she responds.
[phone dings] - Oh, wait a second.
- Oh, man.
- "I want to meet Tyler,
but I cannot videochat on my phone."
- We know that.
She don't have a smartphone,
but she got access to Pornhub?
From where, her phone, the computer?
- You know what?
I've got a crazy idea that might make
this videochat happen.
This is a first. We've never done this before.
But, "We can overnight a phone to you."
- [gasps]
- I--I don't even know, like these feelings.
My heart's in my stomach.
[phone chimes]
- Oh, she said--whoa.
"Okay." And she sent an address,
but it's in Texas.
- Okay, no.
We're not sending her a [bleep] phone.
She can [bleep] off.
"I thought you were in Tampa."
[phone chimes]
- Is she out of her mind?
- Oh, she's visiting a friend right now in Texas,
and you know that?
- She said her friend was coming to her.
But I never said I knew she was going to Texas.
- What address is that?
- Search it. Search it.
- No name, but it's a house.
Let's just hope that she gets the phone.
If it is her and she's visiting her friend
or she's been in Texas this whole time, I don't know,
she says she want but to talk to youis,
and that the only reason she hasn't is because
she hasn't had the right technology,
so let's give her the technology
and see what happens.
- I mean, I'm ready.
- Get some rest.
Try to clear your head a little bit.
- We'll see what happens tomorrow.
- I'm gonna sleep on this.
I'll talk to you guys tomorrow.
- All right.
- Good night, Tyler. - Good night.
[computer chimes] I don't know.
What do you think? - Uh...
- I mean, look, I feel like sending a phone
is our best option.
And yeah, okay, obviously we might lose a phone.
But if on the off chance she does use it
to talk to us, it will be worth it.
- You sound like every hopeful ever
that has sent a [bleep] phone
or some money for a bus ticket.
Like, "Yeah, you know, worst-case scenario
"they use my money to go do something else.
It's the thought that counts."
No. - Right, well...
- I'm not with it. - It's a risk I'm willing
to take.
- Okay, it's coming out of your check.
- Sure. - [laughs]
- But hopefully it works, she--she talks to us tomorrow,
and Tyler finally finds out
who this woman is.
- Good night.
[computer chimes]
- I'm feeling really scared right now.
I don't know what to expect.
I have no idea what to expect.
I just really hope I can finally get
to the bottom of this and figure this out.
[gentle music]
[phone ringing]
- Tyler?
- I haven't looked at the phone.
I actually just got-- I just got to the office.
- Give me a minute to think about it,
and then I'll call you back.
- All right.
- Well, that was unexpected.
Wasn't ready for that, but okay.
[computer chimes]
There she is.
So Tyler FaceTimed me.
So I guess texted him and basically said,
"Hey, I got the phone,"
"and I want to Facetime with you.
"I just don't want to do it today on the show.
Can we do it tomorrow not on the show?"
- No, because the phone expires.
The phone will dissipate like "Avengers: Endgame."
- Anyway, Tyler's freaked.
He wasn't sure what to say to her.
I told him just to wait
and I would get back to him soon.
So let me text him.
[computer chimes]
both: Oh. - Here he comes.
- Hello.
How are you doing?
- Extremely nervous honestly.
- I just don't believe that she'll FaceTime you tomorrow.
- Right. I'm on the same boat as that as well, you know.
Like, I've been doing this for two years with her.
- Right. - We've been talking,
and then it just, "Oh, no. Let's do it tomorrow."
And it's, like, what? - Mm-hmm.
I'm sure it's disappointing to see that over the course
of two years she's had excuses as to why she can't even
just show her face to you.
And now she doesn't have an excuse of...
- Right. - "Oh, I don't have
a smartphone; I can't videochat."
She has it in her hands, and she's still trying to delay it.
- Yeah, like, I still have all these feelings,
I don't see these feelings going away anytime soon.
And then but it's, like, what are you hiding?
- Right. Maybe if you're willing
to actually tell her that today is her last chance,
and then if she doesn't videochat with you today
you're not gonna talk to her anymore.
- Okay.
I should just put the foot down really and just, you know,
I need to give her that ultimatum.
- Let's do it. - Yeah.
- And just say, like, "Look,
"I'm not putting myself through this anymore.
"This isn't fair to me.
You agreed to do this, so let's do it."
- Okay.
- "I don't think this is fair.
"If you don't want to do this today, that's your choice.
"But I can't wait any longer."
Nice. Send away.
- Okay, here goes nothing.
[phone chimes]
Whew.
- [clapping]
- Ohh. - Good job.
- Ay-yi-yi.
- I mean, she says that she's "with a friend in Texas,"
but what if she's at her husband's house
and that's why she can't videochat?
[computer chimes] - Heboth: Oh.ows?
- Hey. Holy [bleep].
- "I'm honestly not scared, Tyler.
"I know you love me no matter what.
"If you really want to do this on the show,
"I'll do it for you.
It's time you know the truth."
- The truth. What does that mean?
- What truth?
What are you talking about, what truth?
- Yeah, I mean, who knows?
I feel like we've got her right now.
She says she wants to do it.
You should respond and say, "Great," like...
- Pop in. Send the link.
[tense music]
[phone chimes]
- Ohh. [chuckles]
- Now we just wait.
And hopefully she'll join.
- Is she married, and does she have kids?
I mean, I'm just really nervous.
[computer chimes]
- Oh.
- Is she married, and does she have kids?
I mean, I'm just really nervous.
[computer chimes]
- Hello.
- Hi.
- Hello.
- You're Stefany.
- Yes, ma'am.
- Nice to meet you. I'm Kamie.
- Nice to meet you too.
[tense music]
- I don't know what to say.
I mean, it's obviously not you in the pictures.
- No.
♪ ♪
- So, Stefany,
you sent Tyler a bunch of photos
of another woman.
- Yes.
- Where did you get these pictures from?
- Facebook.
- Do you know who this woman is?
- No.
- Okay, you also uploaded videos.
Were those videos someone else?
- Someone else.
- But your name is Stefany.
- Yes, sir.
- You are 35.
- Yes, sir.
- Have you ever been or are you married?
- No, never.
Never been married.
- Got it. Okay.
And why are you in Texas again?
- I'm helping out my friend right now.
- Okay, so you do live in Florida.
- Yes, I do live in Florida.
- So some of the times that Tyler had inquired
about coming to visit you, you said you couldn't,
'cause your parents were sick, or was that all true?
- Yeah. Yes, yes, very true.
- Seems to me you're talking to us on a laptop.
- Yes.
- You said you didn't have a way to talk to us,
which is why we sent you a phone.
Why lie about that?
- 'Cause I was scared.
- Okay.
- Where's the phone?
- The phone is in my purse.
- Now you've got a free phone.
Are you sending it back?
- Yeah, I'll send it back.
- Well, and there were ways you could have videochatted...
- Yes. - With Tyler, right.
- Yes. - Right, so that wasn't true.
- Everything that I've ever told him,
everything I've ever told him is 100% the truth.
I have never lied to him about anything.
He knows everything.
And I never would lie to him ever.
- Except about the computer and the phone.
- About the pictures, yes, and the computer.
- And the pictures.
- Yes.
- I just--I just wish you could have told me the truth,
like, years ago.
It's just like...
- Why even make a Pornhub account?
What was the point?
- It started out 'cause I just wanted to watch videos.
And I just talked to a couple of guys here and there.
- So were you looking for some kind of
particular interaction with people?
- Yeah, they were saying that I was pretty,
and they liked my butt.
- I'm sure that felt good to hear.
- It did. It did.
'Cause I haven't heard it in a very, very, very, very,
very long time.
- Did you also feel...
- Bad. - Weird about that? Yeah.
'Cause it wasn't you.
- Yeah, I felt bad.
I always felt bad.
- So, Stefany, do you talk to other guys,
or have you talked to other guys?
- I stopped as soon as me and him started talking.
I've never, ever wanted to hurt him ever.
I love him with all my heart.
[gentle music]
- Then why did you feel like you had to lie to me for,
like, two years?
- I...
never thought
that I would find somebody on Pornhub
that I would have such a strong connection with.
I went to tell you a lot of times,
a lot of times
that I wasn't the girl in the pictures.
But then there's that--
that little thought in the back of your head.
"You're not pretty enough. You're not skinny enough.
"You're not good enough.
You're never gonna find somebody who loves you."
And then you start to second-guess yourself,
and you just back out.
- I would think that out of all of the platforms
that there are to meet people
Pornhub is a place that has something
for literally everyone.
I know that for a fact that they have content
for women that look all different kinds of ways.
- Yeah. - So why not put yourself
out there as yourself?
- 'Cause I've been told so many times I'm not pretty,
you know, so it's like, "Okay, if I'm not pretty,
then what do I do?"
- So sounds like your feels for Tyler
are real.
s.
I love him.
He makes me smile.
♪ ♪
I get butterflies when we talk.
'Cause Tyler helped me get out of a very dark place I was in.
I got hurt a lot, a lot.
And a couple of my ex-boyfriends hit me.
So that made me feel like I wasn't good.
And then I had a lot of death in my family.
So it was just, like, one thing after another
after another after another after another.
And I just went down this dark place.
And I thought about suicide.
- Yeah, we've--we've talked about that before
with each other, and, like, I love--
I love our conversations with each other,
and you felt them so much as well.
- Yeah.
- But you also know that you're the only woman
that he's trusted in a really, really long time...
- Yeah, I know that. - And that his last experience
with trusting a girlfriend,
someone that he loves,
ended really, really badly for him.
- Yeah, I know.
- You had to have known that this would break his heart...
- I did. - To think that you were
lying to him about anything.
Whether or not he chooses to forgive you or not,
you had to have known that this moment for him
would be bad.
- Hard. Yeah, I knew.
- Tyler, Stefany is obviously putting her feelings
out there, but I don't really think it's clear
where your head or heart is at right now.
I guess, is there hope of making this work?
[tense music]
♪ ♪
- Tyler, Stefany is obviously putting her feelings
out there.
Is there hope of making this work?
[tense music]
- [inhales and exhales]
I'm just really shaky right now.
I really need a break.
♪ ♪
[computer chimes]
- All right, look, Stefany, hang out for a minute.
Let's take a quick break so that we can regroup.
We'll get Tyler quickly back,
and we'll bring you back in, and we'll--
we'll sort of figure out how this chapter ends.
- Yeah. - All right, we'll speak to you
in a minute.
[tense music]
[computer chimes]
- [sighs] Hey, guys.
- You were pretty quiet, but I know you have thoughts.
- 'Cause it's [bleep] up that she just lied to me
the whole time. - Right.
- It's really [bleep] up.
And--and this is why I don't trust people.
This is why I am-- this is who--
that's why I am who I am.
- Well, outside of the lies, do you still feel
as attracted to Stefany as you did before?
[gentle music]
♪ ♪
- What's really [bleep] with me is just the lies.
I've always told you I don't care, like,
what you look like.
It's not about your damn looks.
Like, I can't stress that enough.
But it's, like, why the [bleep] are you lying
for two [bleep] years, and then I'm just over here
and just sitting in the dark,
and then I have to go through all these hoops
just to finally see you when... - Right.
- You've just been lying about even your goddamn phone?
- Right. - It's just things are tough.
Things are really tough right now.
I love talking to her.
I love that.
I love that connection we do have.
- Do you still like the idea of
being in a relationship with her?
- It's--that's something I just need to think about.
I just feel stupid if I keep talking to her, you know?
I don't know, and I feel like
I'd be such a [bleep] fool to be like,
"Oh, you lied to me for two years.
You know, it's fine, you know."
- Every relationship people have highs and lows
with the way that they feel about themselves
and their self-confidence, but it's been two years
of you validating this person,
and they still could not be completely honest with you.
- Yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying too.
- We'll bring her back in, and we'll let her know
how it's gonna be.
- Okay.
[tense music]
[computer chimes]
- Hey.
- Hello.
- So, I mean, you know I don't care about, like, looks.
You know that. - I know.
- I really love talking to you.
Like, every--I mean, every--you know,
we basically talk, like, every single night.
And I love it.
You know, I've--me and you can talk about anything.
We talk about the craziest goddamn [bleep] in the world.
And I always feel so open with you.
- You know, I would never-- I never lied to you.
And what's been going on is,
you lied to me for two years.
- Yeah. - I just feel unappreciated
really, and I'd feel stupid if we,
like, continued to keep talking.
I need time to think.
You know with everything that I've been through,
and it's--I don't know.
It just doesn't seem fair to me.
- I know, and I'm sorry, truly.
I know what I did was effed up,
totally effed up.
As much as I've worked on the physical,
I've been trying to lose weight.
- Good for you.
- I know I still need to work on the psychological.
And I will give you as much space as you need
for as long as you need.
- Okay.
- He might not come back.
- I know, and that's my fault.
And I'll-- I'll keep trying.
I will, 'cause I love him.
♪ ♪
He is the best thing that's ever happened to me--
everything good to me,
and now this is my price that I have to pay.
♪ ♪
And I understand that, and I'm--I'm okay.
Like, I'll be okay.
- [sighs]
- Well, then I think, you know,
now this is a good place just to leave it.
Tyler, are you okay?
- Yeah.
- All right, well, then I think we'll say goodbye.
- Okay.
- All right, Stefany, thank you.
Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you guys too.
- And good luck on your continued journey...
- Thank you. - And hopeful path
toward happiness.
- Good luck, - All right, take--take care.
- Thank you. - All right, guys.
I'll see ya.
- Thanks, Tyler. - Ciao.
- Later, buddy. - Good luck.
- Thank you. - Bye.
[computer chimes]
- [sighs] Well...
- I hope that when we talk to him again
they're still talking.
- I kind of do too.
- All right. - Another "Catfish" case
closed.
- Boom.
[Tom Bromley's "This Empty Heart"]
- ♪ If I wake up here next to you ♪
♪ ♪
♪ Is it only worth it if it hurts? ♪
♪ ♪
- Three years ago, Courtney met Chris,
who lived in Turkey, online.
- Oh, I'm in love with him.
- Have you sent gifts?
- I've sent around a grand.
- Courtney.
- Why is this guy cloaking his identity
not just from her but from everyone?
- Oh, my God.
- I can hear you.
- What is happening?