1 00:00:00,835 --> 00:00:01,934 - Hey, everyone. Nev here. 2 00:00:02,003 --> 00:00:04,403 As you can see, I am back at home, 3 00:00:04,472 --> 00:00:05,871 and we're filming remotely again. 4 00:00:05,940 --> 00:00:07,206 We were back in the office, 5 00:00:07,274 --> 00:00:09,008 and we did an episode in person with Kamie, 6 00:00:09,076 --> 00:00:10,042 and it was so great. 7 00:00:10,111 --> 00:00:11,477 - ♪ Keep on, keep on ♪ 8 00:00:11,545 --> 00:00:13,245 ♪ Keep on, keep on movin' ♪ 9 00:00:13,314 --> 00:00:15,014 - But we're not allowed to hug! 10 00:00:15,082 --> 00:00:16,682 We can, like, foot bump. 11 00:00:16,751 --> 00:00:18,250 [cork pops] - Hey! 12 00:00:18,319 --> 00:00:20,352 We're officially in each other's bubbles. 13 00:00:20,421 --> 00:00:22,221 - Now I have a barrier if I want to punch you. 14 00:00:22,289 --> 00:00:25,190 - But unfortunately, there was a spike in COVID cases, 15 00:00:25,259 --> 00:00:27,393 and in an effort to keep everyone safe and healthy, 16 00:00:27,461 --> 00:00:29,428 we're going back to remote episodes. 17 00:00:29,497 --> 00:00:30,729 But that doesn't mean we can't have some fun. 18 00:00:30,798 --> 00:00:32,998 So let's get Kamie, and let's catch some catfish. 19 00:00:33,067 --> 00:00:35,834 [dramatic musical sting] 20 00:00:35,903 --> 00:00:37,069 [birds chirping] 21 00:00:37,138 --> 00:00:39,972 - ♪ Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh ♪ 22 00:00:40,041 --> 00:00:42,007 ♪ Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh ♪ 23 00:00:42,076 --> 00:00:43,075 - All right. 24 00:00:43,144 --> 00:00:44,877 Let's see what Kamie is doing. 25 00:00:44,945 --> 00:00:48,547 - ♪ Are you ready? ♪ - ♪ Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh ♪ 26 00:00:48,616 --> 00:00:50,949 - ♪ Are you ready? ♪ - ♪ Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh ♪ 27 00:00:51,018 --> 00:00:54,219 - ♪ Are you ready? ♪ - ♪ Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh ♪ 28 00:00:54,288 --> 00:00:55,721 - ♪ Are you ready for it? ♪ 29 00:00:55,790 --> 00:00:57,156 - Oh! 30 00:00:57,224 --> 00:00:58,957 - I feel like we should be wearing pajamas right now 31 00:00:59,026 --> 00:00:59,925 since it's nighttime. 32 00:00:59,994 --> 00:01:01,894 - Uh... 33 00:01:01,962 --> 00:01:03,629 full pajamas. - [gasps] 34 00:01:03,697 --> 00:01:05,030 Cozy vibes. 35 00:01:05,099 --> 00:01:06,331 We're on the night shift. 36 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,933 - Cozy AF. 37 00:01:08,002 --> 00:01:09,301 There's so many catfish out there, 38 00:01:09,370 --> 00:01:11,103 we're working round the clock. 39 00:01:11,172 --> 00:01:13,572 - I feel like Santa's elves. - Exactly. 40 00:01:13,641 --> 00:01:16,175 All right, we got work to do. Let's just jump into it. 41 00:01:16,243 --> 00:01:17,643 All right, here we g-- oh, we got an email. 42 00:01:17,711 --> 00:01:21,046 "Help me shed some light on this relationship." 43 00:01:21,115 --> 00:01:23,315 You ready for this? - No. 44 00:01:23,384 --> 00:01:25,417 - "Hi, Nev and Kamie. My name is Tam. 45 00:01:25,486 --> 00:01:27,686 "I live in Houston, Texas. 46 00:01:27,755 --> 00:01:31,356 I'm 27, and I live with my older sister, Tay." 47 00:01:31,425 --> 00:01:33,425 Tam and Tay. - Aww. 48 00:01:33,494 --> 00:01:35,527 - "I'm writing because she's convinced 49 00:01:35,596 --> 00:01:37,563 I'm being catfished." - Oh. 50 00:01:37,631 --> 00:01:39,198 - "And I recently started to think 51 00:01:39,266 --> 00:01:41,100 she might be right." 52 00:01:41,168 --> 00:01:43,502 [upbeat electronic music] 53 00:01:43,571 --> 00:01:47,005 "I met a woman named Jamena about two years ago 54 00:01:47,074 --> 00:01:50,642 in August of 2018 on Plenty of Fish." 55 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,446 "I was living in Prairie View, 56 00:01:54,515 --> 00:01:56,815 "and she was 45 minutes away in Houston. 57 00:01:56,884 --> 00:01:58,550 "We connected immediately 58 00:01:58,619 --> 00:02:01,386 "and ended up being together for six months. 59 00:02:01,455 --> 00:02:04,189 "During that time, I tried to meet up with her, 60 00:02:04,258 --> 00:02:06,758 but she would always ghost me." 61 00:02:10,931 --> 00:02:13,765 "I couldn't get past that, so I ended things." 62 00:02:13,834 --> 00:02:14,800 Smart! 63 00:02:14,869 --> 00:02:16,768 "Jamena was furious 64 00:02:16,837 --> 00:02:18,837 "and blocked me on everything. 65 00:02:18,906 --> 00:02:21,273 "I wanted to move on, but no matter what I did, 66 00:02:21,342 --> 00:02:23,208 "I couldn't forget her. 67 00:02:23,277 --> 00:02:25,511 "A little while ago, I begged my sister 68 00:02:25,579 --> 00:02:28,046 to message Jamena for me." 69 00:02:30,851 --> 00:02:32,384 "All my accounts were blocked, 70 00:02:32,453 --> 00:02:34,686 "so this was the only way I could contact her. 71 00:02:34,755 --> 00:02:37,322 "Tay finally agreed, and when she reached out, 72 00:02:37,391 --> 00:02:39,558 Jamena said we could talk." 73 00:02:43,130 --> 00:02:45,731 "Things seemed to be going well until... 74 00:02:45,799 --> 00:02:49,034 "I recently got an anonymous text message from someone 75 00:02:49,103 --> 00:02:51,770 "claiming to be Jamena's girlfriend. 76 00:02:51,839 --> 00:02:55,774 "She said I needed to back off from Jamena, 77 00:02:55,843 --> 00:02:57,442 or she'd beat me up." 78 00:02:57,511 --> 00:02:58,677 - [gasps] 79 00:02:58,746 --> 00:03:01,747 - "I thought Jamena was the love of my life, 80 00:03:01,815 --> 00:03:04,716 "but now, I don't know what to believe. 81 00:03:04,785 --> 00:03:06,952 "I need serious help. 82 00:03:07,021 --> 00:03:08,720 Thank you, Tam." 83 00:03:10,391 --> 00:03:13,091 Wow, let's get a little bit more information. 84 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,127 "Hey, Tam. It's Nev. 85 00:03:15,196 --> 00:03:17,496 "Just read your email. 86 00:03:17,565 --> 00:03:20,232 Oh, boy. We gotta talk." 87 00:03:22,236 --> 00:03:24,303 - If you get a text from someone saying, 88 00:03:24,371 --> 00:03:27,072 "Stop talking to so-and-so or I'm gonna beat your ass," 89 00:03:27,141 --> 00:03:29,975 I think it's safe to say you should stop talking to them 90 00:03:30,044 --> 00:03:31,543 so they don't come beat your ass. 91 00:03:31,612 --> 00:03:34,980 - At the very least, it means, "That's not your girlfriend 92 00:03:35,049 --> 00:03:37,182 if she's [bleep] talking to me." 93 00:03:37,251 --> 00:03:38,217 [computer chimes] 94 00:03:38,285 --> 00:03:39,518 Hey! - Hey! 95 00:03:39,587 --> 00:03:40,953 - Hey. - What's up, Tam? 96 00:03:41,021 --> 00:03:41,954 - Hey, what's up? 97 00:03:42,022 --> 00:03:43,255 - Damn, Tam! 98 00:03:43,324 --> 00:03:45,624 Got that chain, you got the baby hairs on. 99 00:03:45,693 --> 00:03:47,192 - [chuckles] - Got the lashes. 100 00:03:47,261 --> 00:03:50,128 - I feel like that's all you that's popping. 101 00:03:50,197 --> 00:03:51,263 - Oh, thank you. Oh, you're talking 102 00:03:51,332 --> 00:03:53,198 to me or Kamie? - No, not you. 103 00:03:53,267 --> 00:03:55,000 - I was--both of y'all popping. 104 00:03:55,069 --> 00:03:56,235 Both of y'all popping. - [laughs] 105 00:03:56,303 --> 00:03:57,869 - The only thing that's popping about me 106 00:03:57,938 --> 00:03:58,937 is the fact that I'm a pop. 107 00:03:59,006 --> 00:04:00,172 I'm a dad. That's about it. 108 00:04:00,241 --> 00:04:01,373 - [chuckles] 109 00:04:01,442 --> 00:04:02,874 - Well, obviously, we got your email, 110 00:04:02,943 --> 00:04:04,910 and we're not really sure what to make of all of it. 111 00:04:04,979 --> 00:04:07,546 Can you just kind of take us back to the beginning? 112 00:04:07,615 --> 00:04:11,216 - Okay, I had just got out of a six-year relationship. 113 00:04:11,285 --> 00:04:12,517 - Whoa. 114 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:14,253 - I was living in a small college town 115 00:04:14,321 --> 00:04:15,821 named Prairie View. It was boring. 116 00:04:15,889 --> 00:04:17,889 So all my friends was like, you know, 117 00:04:17,958 --> 00:04:20,859 "Try to start dating again," so I got on POF, 118 00:04:20,928 --> 00:04:23,595 and I just happened to run across her profile. 119 00:04:23,664 --> 00:04:25,330 I thought she was cute, and I just did 120 00:04:25,399 --> 00:04:27,065 the little "hey there" thing. 121 00:04:27,134 --> 00:04:28,267 Yeah. 122 00:04:28,335 --> 00:04:29,801 And she wrote me back, 123 00:04:29,870 --> 00:04:31,870 and we was just talking and whatever, 124 00:04:31,939 --> 00:04:33,872 and then she got me her number. 125 00:04:33,941 --> 00:04:35,807 But when she first gave me her number, 126 00:04:35,876 --> 00:04:37,175 she was kind of mean. 127 00:04:38,879 --> 00:04:40,412 'Cause at the time, my phone was, 128 00:04:40,481 --> 00:04:41,913 like, messed up completely, 129 00:04:41,982 --> 00:04:44,483 so I was actually texting her from the Text Free app, 130 00:04:44,551 --> 00:04:46,985 and she was coming at me out of pocket, like, 131 00:04:47,054 --> 00:04:48,920 "Why you texting me off this fake stuff? 132 00:04:48,989 --> 00:04:50,389 I don't do the fake stuff." 133 00:04:50,457 --> 00:04:51,490 - She thought you were a catfish. 134 00:04:51,558 --> 00:04:53,091 - Yeah, and she was like, 135 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,061 "Uh, we must FaceTime." 136 00:04:56,130 --> 00:04:57,429 - So did you FaceTime? 137 00:04:57,498 --> 00:04:58,830 [suspenseful music] 138 00:04:58,899 --> 00:05:00,332 - She did used to try to FaceTime me. 139 00:05:00,401 --> 00:05:02,601 [phone rings] 140 00:05:02,670 --> 00:05:04,670 But I didn't used to answer. 141 00:05:05,806 --> 00:05:07,472 - Oh, my God! 142 00:05:07,541 --> 00:05:09,908 - I was just--I was so nervous. She obvious-- 143 00:05:09,977 --> 00:05:12,110 - Tam, you sound like the catfish right now. 144 00:05:12,179 --> 00:05:13,512 Honestly. - [laughs] 145 00:05:13,580 --> 00:05:15,614 - "I was so nervous, I didn't know what to say." 146 00:05:15,683 --> 00:05:17,449 - "I had that Text Free app, 147 00:05:17,518 --> 00:05:18,984 and I didn't wanna answer FaceTime..." 148 00:05:19,053 --> 00:05:20,652 - Did your car break down? 149 00:05:20,721 --> 00:05:24,389 - No, I eventually tried to FaceTime her, 150 00:05:24,458 --> 00:05:25,957 but she didn't answer. 151 00:05:26,026 --> 00:05:27,259 - Interesting. 152 00:05:27,328 --> 00:05:28,960 Well, what do you know about Jamena? 153 00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:32,297 - She said she was a registered nurse, 154 00:05:32,366 --> 00:05:35,701 and she said she did real estate on the side, 155 00:05:35,769 --> 00:05:37,235 and she said she had two kids. 156 00:05:37,304 --> 00:05:39,204 She told me about her sister, 157 00:05:39,273 --> 00:05:41,073 and she told me she had a brother. 158 00:05:41,141 --> 00:05:44,109 - Were you able to see any of them on social media? 159 00:05:44,178 --> 00:05:45,177 - No. 160 00:05:45,245 --> 00:05:46,645 I did ask her about, like, 161 00:05:46,714 --> 00:05:48,747 social media, but she was saying, like, 162 00:05:48,816 --> 00:05:51,383 "Oh, me and my best friend were doing, like, 163 00:05:51,452 --> 00:05:52,617 "this social media cleanse where we're not 164 00:05:52,686 --> 00:05:54,619 getting on our social media," 165 00:05:54,688 --> 00:05:56,822 and at that time, it was cool with me 166 00:05:56,890 --> 00:05:58,890 because when we talked on the phone, 167 00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:01,259 we ended up just, like, instantly clicking. 168 00:06:01,328 --> 00:06:03,295 Like, we ended up falling asleep on the phone 169 00:06:03,364 --> 00:06:04,763 from the first day. 170 00:06:04,832 --> 00:06:06,465 Literally, we used to say we was on the phone 171 00:06:06,533 --> 00:06:08,367 eight hours, ten hours. 172 00:06:08,435 --> 00:06:10,102 I could talk to her about anything. 173 00:06:10,170 --> 00:06:11,970 We was just there for each other. 174 00:06:12,039 --> 00:06:16,942 - ♪ It is a time of stillness ♪ 175 00:06:17,010 --> 00:06:19,911 - So we were instantly, like, became soulmates, like... 176 00:06:19,980 --> 00:06:20,846 - Mm... 177 00:06:20,914 --> 00:06:22,447 - And I feel like she helped me too 178 00:06:22,516 --> 00:06:24,649 with, like, my sexuality. 179 00:06:24,718 --> 00:06:26,818 Even though my ex was a girl, 180 00:06:26,887 --> 00:06:29,821 we didn't even hold hands in public. 181 00:06:29,890 --> 00:06:32,557 That's not something that I was just very open, like... 182 00:06:32,626 --> 00:06:34,793 but with Jamena, I always used to tell her, like, 183 00:06:34,862 --> 00:06:36,595 "I feel safe in your energy." 184 00:06:36,663 --> 00:06:39,464 So that was really what attracted me to her. 185 00:06:39,533 --> 00:06:41,166 Like, I felt like I could be myself. 186 00:06:41,235 --> 00:06:42,334 - Right. 187 00:06:42,403 --> 00:06:43,402 - Were you saying "I love you" 188 00:06:43,470 --> 00:06:44,669 and stuff like that? - Yeah. 189 00:06:44,738 --> 00:06:45,871 I don't know who said it fir-- 190 00:06:45,939 --> 00:06:47,806 no, I said it first. I ain't gonna lie. 191 00:06:47,875 --> 00:06:48,707 I really miss it. 192 00:06:48,776 --> 00:06:54,780 - ♪ And nothing ends ♪ 193 00:06:54,848 --> 00:06:56,982 - So things with Jamena were going really well, 194 00:06:57,050 --> 00:07:00,051 and you guys were very close, so after a while, 195 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,487 you must have felt like it was time to meet up, right? 196 00:07:02,556 --> 00:07:03,488 I mean, 'cause you don't even live 197 00:07:03,557 --> 00:07:04,890 that far away from each other. 198 00:07:04,958 --> 00:07:07,159 - Yeah, I tried to meet her more than a few times. 199 00:07:07,227 --> 00:07:09,861 The first time, she was like, "Okay, I'm on my way." 200 00:07:09,930 --> 00:07:11,963 I sent her my location and everything, 201 00:07:12,032 --> 00:07:13,832 and then all of the sudden, I ain't heard from her. 202 00:07:13,901 --> 00:07:15,801 And I was calling her, and she said 203 00:07:15,869 --> 00:07:19,104 she had gotten into a car accident. 204 00:07:19,173 --> 00:07:20,372 [chuckles] 205 00:07:20,441 --> 00:07:21,606 - Tam. - I know. 206 00:07:21,675 --> 00:07:23,008 And that's when my sister was like, 207 00:07:23,076 --> 00:07:24,676 "Catfish, catfish." 208 00:07:24,745 --> 00:07:27,579 And then one time, she really embarrassed me, 209 00:07:27,648 --> 00:07:29,581 and I felt like that was kinda, like, the last straw. 210 00:07:30,584 --> 00:07:32,484 It was about to be PV homecoming. 211 00:07:32,553 --> 00:07:35,720 That was, like, gonna be my first year as an alumni. 212 00:07:35,789 --> 00:07:37,589 So me and my sister, we was coming to Houston, 213 00:07:37,658 --> 00:07:39,324 and we was planning on trying to see 214 00:07:39,393 --> 00:07:40,525 what hotels was available, 215 00:07:40,594 --> 00:07:42,394 but Jamena was like, 216 00:07:42,463 --> 00:07:44,396 "Why y'all don't just stay at my house? 217 00:07:44,465 --> 00:07:45,530 Y'all can stay at my house." 218 00:07:45,599 --> 00:07:47,866 So she texts me her address, 219 00:07:47,935 --> 00:07:50,402 and when we get there, she was like, 220 00:07:50,471 --> 00:07:51,903 "Okay, I fixin' to open up the gate," 221 00:07:51,972 --> 00:07:53,905 and then I ain't heard from her. 222 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:55,040 - And then just nothing? 223 00:07:55,108 --> 00:07:56,708 - Yeah. - Wow. 224 00:07:56,777 --> 00:07:58,043 - And then my sister was like, "Well, let's just go." 225 00:07:58,111 --> 00:08:01,546 So then Jamena, she tried to flip it on me and be like, 226 00:08:01,615 --> 00:08:02,981 "You wasn't outside, you was playing, 227 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:04,916 "you was lying, you was trying to be sneaky. 228 00:08:04,985 --> 00:08:07,085 You was not outside. I've been calling you." 229 00:08:07,154 --> 00:08:08,286 - That's insane. 230 00:08:08,355 --> 00:08:10,388 - So after that, I was so embarrassed, 231 00:08:10,457 --> 00:08:13,024 I just stopped talking to her. 232 00:08:13,093 --> 00:08:15,327 But I used to always think about her, like... 233 00:08:15,395 --> 00:08:16,528 [solemn music] 234 00:08:16,597 --> 00:08:18,396 We connected on a deeper level. 235 00:08:18,465 --> 00:08:19,731 We could talk to each other, like, 236 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,600 about everything under the sun, 237 00:08:21,668 --> 00:08:23,768 and I really miss that. 238 00:08:23,837 --> 00:08:25,837 I used to try to find her for a while, 239 00:08:25,906 --> 00:08:28,173 but she had me blocked still. 240 00:08:28,242 --> 00:08:30,742 So that's when I gave it to my sister, and I was like, 241 00:08:30,811 --> 00:08:32,711 "Text this and see if it work." 242 00:08:32,779 --> 00:08:34,813 And she texted it, and that's when she was like, 243 00:08:34,882 --> 00:08:37,282 "My sister wanna talk to you. She say she miss you." 244 00:08:37,351 --> 00:08:39,618 She was like, "All right, you can tell her to text me," 245 00:08:39,686 --> 00:08:41,720 and then we just started talking on the phone, 246 00:08:41,788 --> 00:08:43,154 and it was just like old time. 247 00:08:43,223 --> 00:08:45,891 Every day, we texted each other and talked to each other, 248 00:08:45,959 --> 00:08:48,460 and I really enjoyed that 'cause that's what I missed. 249 00:08:48,529 --> 00:08:49,628 - Wow. 250 00:08:49,696 --> 00:08:50,829 So can we see what she looks like? 251 00:08:50,898 --> 00:08:52,297 - Yeah. 252 00:08:52,366 --> 00:08:53,598 Okay. 253 00:08:53,667 --> 00:08:54,833 - Well, she's cute. 254 00:08:54,902 --> 00:08:57,002 - Yeah. - Yeah, she is cute. 255 00:08:57,070 --> 00:08:58,603 - Same girl. 256 00:08:58,672 --> 00:09:00,205 - Can we see some of the messages between you, 257 00:09:00,274 --> 00:09:02,440 just to get a sense of what the conversations are like? 258 00:09:02,509 --> 00:09:03,842 - [sighs] I-- 259 00:09:03,911 --> 00:09:05,844 we talked a lot, so... - Wow! 260 00:09:05,913 --> 00:09:08,446 - Yeah, this is a lot of... - Yeah. 261 00:09:08,515 --> 00:09:09,915 - I'm gonna read you this text message 262 00:09:09,983 --> 00:09:12,484 that I feel like was very sweet. 263 00:09:12,553 --> 00:09:14,719 Okay, this--this is long. - Oh, wow. 264 00:09:14,788 --> 00:09:17,522 - All right, so she said, "So I love you... 265 00:09:17,591 --> 00:09:19,558 "because you're super cool, funny, outgoing, 266 00:09:19,626 --> 00:09:20,992 "talkative like me, but I feel like 267 00:09:21,061 --> 00:09:22,928 "I can tell you any and everything. 268 00:09:22,996 --> 00:09:25,363 "You have such a beautiful soul inside and out. 269 00:09:25,432 --> 00:09:26,998 "Your personality is super dope. 270 00:09:27,067 --> 00:09:28,266 "I love you because I can always 271 00:09:28,335 --> 00:09:29,267 "count on you no matter what. 272 00:09:29,336 --> 00:09:30,802 "I know I act like a bitch, 273 00:09:30,871 --> 00:09:32,504 "but, Tam, I love you for real, 274 00:09:32,573 --> 00:09:34,439 "and I never want you out of my life. 275 00:09:34,508 --> 00:09:35,373 "I think this is the true meaning 276 00:09:35,442 --> 00:09:36,541 "of lifetime partners. 277 00:09:36,610 --> 00:09:39,411 You are my better half." Oh, wow. 278 00:09:39,479 --> 00:09:40,812 - [sighs] 279 00:09:40,881 --> 00:09:43,214 - I mean, that's, like, one of the more sincere, 280 00:09:43,283 --> 00:09:45,750 meaningful messages I think I've ever read. 281 00:09:45,819 --> 00:09:48,053 - You guys are really into each other. 282 00:09:49,022 --> 00:09:50,322 - Makes me feel bad. about the messagesh. 283 00:09:50,390 --> 00:09:53,224 I send my wife. I gotta step up my game. 284 00:09:53,293 --> 00:09:55,493 I mean, have you ever talked to someone like this before? 285 00:09:55,562 --> 00:09:58,296 - No, I never felt like that. Ever. 286 00:09:58,365 --> 00:10:01,499 - This is the person that you feel the most safe with. 287 00:10:01,568 --> 00:10:04,336 Are you willing to risk that? 288 00:10:04,404 --> 00:10:05,804 - I feel like... 289 00:10:05,872 --> 00:10:07,739 I need to know, 'cause... 290 00:10:07,808 --> 00:10:09,874 if not, then I'm just wasting my time. 291 00:10:09,943 --> 00:10:11,242 - Mm-hmm. 292 00:10:11,311 --> 00:10:12,777 - So we need to do some research, obviously. 293 00:10:12,846 --> 00:10:14,579 Send us any other things that you've got, 294 00:10:14,648 --> 00:10:16,314 and first thing in the morning, we'll jump in, 295 00:10:16,383 --> 00:10:17,449 and we'll see what we can find. 296 00:10:17,517 --> 00:10:18,650 - All right, then, good luck. 297 00:10:18,719 --> 00:10:20,151 - All right, Tam. We'll talk tomorrow. 298 00:10:20,220 --> 00:10:21,119 - Right. - All right, bye. 299 00:10:21,188 --> 00:10:22,520 - Bye. 300 00:10:22,589 --> 00:10:24,723 Man. - Wow. 301 00:10:24,791 --> 00:10:27,492 - She is head-over-heels for this girl 302 00:10:27,561 --> 00:10:30,295 and I am emotionally invested. 303 00:10:30,364 --> 00:10:31,730 - I know. 304 00:10:31,798 --> 00:10:34,032 I just don't get-- 'cause Jamena seems so great, 305 00:10:34,101 --> 00:10:37,402 but then why did she also get so shady and stand Tam up? 306 00:10:37,471 --> 00:10:39,971 - After reading those messages, I feel like this could be 307 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,307 the making of a beautiful love story. 308 00:10:42,376 --> 00:10:44,242 I need this to be real! 309 00:10:44,311 --> 00:10:45,710 This has to end well. 310 00:10:47,881 --> 00:10:50,048 - "Y'all ready for this?" 311 00:10:50,117 --> 00:10:52,050 [computer chimes] - Behold. 312 00:10:52,119 --> 00:10:54,686 The most glorious breakfast sandwich. 313 00:10:54,755 --> 00:10:56,021 - Whoa... 314 00:10:56,089 --> 00:10:57,689 - If you were here, I have a whole other half 315 00:10:57,758 --> 00:10:58,757 you could've had. 316 00:10:58,825 --> 00:10:59,758 - If you're not gonna eat that, 317 00:10:59,826 --> 00:11:01,092 send that over to me, okay? 318 00:11:01,161 --> 00:11:02,861 'Cause if we can't be together, 319 00:11:02,929 --> 00:11:05,397 at least let's share a sandwich remotely. 320 00:11:05,465 --> 00:11:06,931 - That's really nice. - And you know what? 321 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,299 I'll send something over to you. 322 00:11:08,368 --> 00:11:09,367 What about this? 323 00:11:10,303 --> 00:11:12,704 Willy Wonka-style Itchocolate bar.ant 324 00:11:12,773 --> 00:11:14,005 - Oh, that does look like it came 325 00:11:14,074 --> 00:11:15,874 from Willy Wonka's chocolate factory. 326 00:11:15,942 --> 00:11:16,908 - I'm gonna go put this-- - I'm so excited. 327 00:11:16,977 --> 00:11:17,909 - For you. Okay. - Okay. 328 00:11:17,978 --> 00:11:19,277 - Setting it outside, 329 00:11:19,346 --> 00:11:22,113 and I did not touch this half of the sandwich. 330 00:11:22,182 --> 00:11:24,582 - I'm gonna leave it here to get picked up. 331 00:11:24,651 --> 00:11:26,317 Right there. 332 00:11:27,087 --> 00:11:30,422 Your chocolate is awaiting its courier. 333 00:11:30,490 --> 00:11:36,161 - Sandwich is cozy, confident, and ready for devouring. 334 00:11:36,229 --> 00:11:39,030 - All right, so Tam met Jamena on POF 335 00:11:39,099 --> 00:11:41,700 a little over two years ago. 336 00:11:41,768 --> 00:11:43,501 They fell in love hard. 337 00:11:43,570 --> 00:11:45,203 There was obviously some red flags. 338 00:11:45,272 --> 00:11:48,940 Eventually, they broke it off because Tam had enough. 339 00:11:49,009 --> 00:11:51,176 So then they stopped talking for, like, almost a year. 340 00:11:51,244 --> 00:11:53,878 But Tam can't stop thinking about her. 341 00:11:53,947 --> 00:11:56,815 Long story short, they are talking again, 342 00:11:56,883 --> 00:11:59,284 and when I say, "I don't think I've ever seen 343 00:11:59,352 --> 00:12:03,488 this level of emotional connection in messages," 344 00:12:03,557 --> 00:12:04,856 I--ever. 345 00:12:04,925 --> 00:12:07,959 - So, like, I remember writing things like that 346 00:12:08,028 --> 00:12:09,694 to my middle school crush. [laughs] 347 00:12:09,763 --> 00:12:10,862 But, like, that's, like, 348 00:12:10,931 --> 00:12:12,931 the last time I remember... - Right. 349 00:12:12,999 --> 00:12:16,067 - Really pouring my heart out. Oh, my God. 350 00:12:16,136 --> 00:12:18,436 - We gotta figure out if this Jamena girl... 351 00:12:18,505 --> 00:12:20,739 Jamena's business. 352 00:12:20,807 --> 00:12:22,974 Anyway, we do have an email from Tam. 353 00:12:23,043 --> 00:12:24,375 She says, "I'm gonna be honest. 354 00:12:24,444 --> 00:12:27,378 "I've been so nervous since we finished talking, 355 00:12:27,447 --> 00:12:29,748 "and I really hope Jamena is real. 356 00:12:29,816 --> 00:12:31,216 "Here's the stuff I have about her. 357 00:12:31,284 --> 00:12:33,852 "I don't remember what her POF user name was. 358 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,387 "Her phone number is a 404 number. 359 00:12:36,456 --> 00:12:39,991 "Jamena is a nurse in Houston, and she has two kids. 360 00:12:40,060 --> 00:12:42,594 "I found a Facebook page, but it's from 2011. 361 00:12:42,662 --> 00:12:44,362 "The URL is Jamena Smith. 362 00:12:44,431 --> 00:12:46,931 "The number for the girl that texted me 363 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,901 saying I needed to back off is a 314." 364 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:51,669 - Oh, right, we never asked her about that. 365 00:12:51,738 --> 00:12:53,071 We need to look up that number. 366 00:12:53,140 --> 00:12:55,206 - Yeah, I mean, we got some real stuff here. 367 00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:57,675 "I'm sending some pictures of Jamena. 368 00:12:57,744 --> 00:13:00,311 If you need something that I forgot, just let me know." 369 00:13:00,380 --> 00:13:03,214 - I mean, I feel like there's quite a bit to go off of. 370 00:13:03,283 --> 00:13:04,983 - I kinda want to start with an image search. 371 00:13:05,051 --> 00:13:06,651 All right, so let's see if this picture... 372 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,920 searching...we got nothing. 373 00:13:08,989 --> 00:13:10,388 Here's another one. 374 00:13:10,457 --> 00:13:12,991 But no, no hit on that. 375 00:13:13,059 --> 00:13:15,693 No. Oh, okay. So nothing on the images. 376 00:13:15,762 --> 00:13:16,928 - Should we just search the name? 377 00:13:16,997 --> 00:13:18,897 - All right, so here's Facebook. 378 00:13:18,965 --> 00:13:20,799 Jamena Smith. 379 00:13:20,867 --> 00:13:23,101 - The first one says "RN, I am a nurse." 380 00:13:23,170 --> 00:13:24,469 - What? You're right. 381 00:13:24,538 --> 00:13:26,371 [suspenseful music] 382 00:13:26,439 --> 00:13:27,939 - Doesn't that kinda look like her? 383 00:13:28,008 --> 00:13:29,507 - I don't think so. 384 00:13:29,576 --> 00:13:31,142 Let's see. 385 00:13:31,211 --> 00:13:33,812 - Yeah! Look at the tattoo! The tattoo on the wrist! 386 00:13:34,848 --> 00:13:35,980 - What the [bleep]? 387 00:13:36,049 --> 00:13:37,749 This is her? - Yeah! 388 00:13:37,818 --> 00:13:39,250 - You're right! She has the tattoo. 389 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:40,585 I don't know-- how did you just-- 390 00:13:40,654 --> 00:13:42,587 - Is this the Facebook that Tam was talking about? 391 00:13:42,656 --> 00:13:44,155 - No...it's not. 392 00:13:44,224 --> 00:13:46,491 Let's just see the page that she sent us. 393 00:13:48,028 --> 00:13:50,028 This is a different Facebook. 394 00:13:50,096 --> 00:13:53,531 Kamie, did we just find her new Facebook page? 395 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,200 Oh, but this is old. 396 00:13:55,268 --> 00:13:58,236 This photo was from 2011. Huh. 397 00:13:58,305 --> 00:14:00,972 So I guess she just had two Facebooks. 398 00:14:01,041 --> 00:14:03,007 - Should we just run the numbers? 399 00:14:03,076 --> 00:14:04,142 - Here we go. 400 00:14:04,211 --> 00:14:06,511 Searching Jamena's phone number. 401 00:14:07,414 --> 00:14:09,581 Daniel Wolf? - Daniel Wolf? 402 00:14:09,649 --> 00:14:10,782 - That's...pretty weird. 403 00:14:10,851 --> 00:14:12,584 - Tam's definitely not talking to a guy. 404 00:14:12,652 --> 00:14:14,619 She would know that after hours and hours 405 00:14:14,688 --> 00:14:15,954 of phone conversations. 406 00:14:16,022 --> 00:14:18,423 - Maybe this is a previous owner of the phone. 407 00:14:18,491 --> 00:14:21,926 - What about the number that texted Tam 408 00:14:21,995 --> 00:14:23,127 telling her to back off? 409 00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:25,063 - Let's do that. Now let's see. 410 00:14:25,131 --> 00:14:26,798 Phone search... 411 00:14:26,867 --> 00:14:30,235 ♪ ♪ 412 00:14:30,303 --> 00:14:33,605 Dreah Taylor. Wow. 413 00:14:33,673 --> 00:14:36,307 There's no age info, though. 414 00:14:36,376 --> 00:14:38,610 Hold on, let's search that name on Facebook. 415 00:14:38,678 --> 00:14:41,145 [keyboard clacking] 416 00:14:41,214 --> 00:14:42,947 Okay. Dreah Taylor. 417 00:14:43,016 --> 00:14:45,817 - Maybe we could find if she's friends 418 00:14:45,886 --> 00:14:48,319 with one of the Jamena Smith pages. 419 00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,755 Then that can determine whether or not she knows her? 420 00:14:50,824 --> 00:14:53,191 - Right, if this girl texted on behalf of Jamena, 421 00:14:53,260 --> 00:14:55,293 then she should be friends with Jamena, right? 422 00:14:55,362 --> 00:14:57,328 No Jamena Smith. 423 00:14:57,397 --> 00:15:00,565 But there is a Jamena [bleep]. 424 00:15:00,634 --> 00:15:02,634 Okay. Who is this? 425 00:15:02,702 --> 00:15:04,869 She's got two daughters. 426 00:15:04,938 --> 00:15:07,105 And look under her name... 427 00:15:07,173 --> 00:15:09,107 there's even, like, a little hospital emoji. 428 00:15:09,175 --> 00:15:10,808 She--isn't she supposed to be a nurse? 429 00:15:10,877 --> 00:15:12,810 - Let's go through her pictures. 430 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:15,046 You see that at the top. 431 00:15:15,115 --> 00:15:16,347 That looks like she's definitely 432 00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:18,616 in a medical facility. - Oh, yeah, for sure. 433 00:15:18,685 --> 00:15:20,985 In her scrubs again. 434 00:15:21,054 --> 00:15:22,587 So could this be her? 435 00:15:22,656 --> 00:15:25,056 It's a Jamena, does have two daughters, 436 00:15:25,125 --> 00:15:27,091 and works at a hospital. 437 00:15:28,962 --> 00:15:30,662 - She's single. 438 00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:33,498 - It's definitely possible that this could be our girl, 439 00:15:33,566 --> 00:15:35,633 just with a different last name. 440 00:15:35,702 --> 00:15:38,069 Well, I think we gotta message Dreah. 441 00:15:38,138 --> 00:15:40,939 Maybe she can give us some info. 442 00:15:41,007 --> 00:15:45,009 "We are hoping you could help us." 443 00:15:45,078 --> 00:15:46,411 All right, I sent it. 444 00:15:46,479 --> 00:15:48,746 - Did we do a Google search for Jamena Smith? 445 00:15:48,815 --> 00:15:49,781 - No. 446 00:15:49,849 --> 00:15:51,683 Jamena Smith. 447 00:15:53,486 --> 00:15:54,719 Plenty of Fish. - "Plenty of Fish review: 448 00:15:54,788 --> 00:15:56,788 impersonation to file report"! 449 00:15:56,856 --> 00:15:57,989 - Whoa. 450 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:01,392 - Oh...no... - Whoa. Wait a second. 451 00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:03,127 "Okay, someone by the name of Jamena Smith 452 00:16:03,196 --> 00:16:04,262 "keeps contacting different women 453 00:16:04,331 --> 00:16:05,863 "using my pictures. She won't stop. 454 00:16:05,932 --> 00:16:07,899 It's a fake account." 455 00:16:07,968 --> 00:16:09,567 Whoa... 456 00:16:09,636 --> 00:16:11,502 - No... 457 00:16:11,571 --> 00:16:12,937 - The person who made that complaint, 458 00:16:13,006 --> 00:16:16,274 dontplay[bleep], let's look that up. 459 00:16:16,343 --> 00:16:18,209 So here's Plenty of Fish. 460 00:16:18,278 --> 00:16:20,111 We can search by user name. 461 00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:23,314 Dontplay[bleep]. 462 00:16:24,384 --> 00:16:25,583 Dang. 463 00:16:25,652 --> 00:16:27,285 All right, so this is obviously not great. 464 00:16:27,354 --> 00:16:29,420 It suggests that someone 465 00:16:29,489 --> 00:16:32,223 tried to report the Plenty of Fish profile. 466 00:16:32,292 --> 00:16:34,292 Now I think we gotta talk to Tam, 467 00:16:34,361 --> 00:16:36,260 take her through this, see if any of this makes sense 468 00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:37,829 or rings any bells. 469 00:16:37,897 --> 00:16:40,231 - None of this is good news. 470 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:44,135 I usually take the side of "everyone is bull[bleep]," 471 00:16:44,204 --> 00:16:47,271 but this genuinely felt real to me. 472 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:49,640 Until I saw that complaint website 473 00:16:49,709 --> 00:16:52,176 from Plenty of Fish, I was still on Team Jamena; 474 00:16:52,245 --> 00:16:53,478 I had my T-shirt, 475 00:16:53,546 --> 00:16:55,146 and now I feel like I have to burn it. 476 00:16:55,215 --> 00:16:57,582 That...really... 477 00:16:57,650 --> 00:16:58,583 made my heart sink. 478 00:16:58,651 --> 00:17:00,018 That's, like, the worst possible thing 479 00:17:00,086 --> 00:17:01,219 that you can find. 480 00:17:01,287 --> 00:17:03,621 - It's not looking good. 481 00:17:05,325 --> 00:17:06,858 - I just received word that 482 00:17:06,926 --> 00:17:08,860 my chocolate bar and your sandwich 483 00:17:08,928 --> 00:17:10,395 have been delivered. - Oh! 484 00:17:10,463 --> 00:17:11,896 - I think it's outside your door. 485 00:17:11,965 --> 00:17:13,731 - Allow me. - And mine as well. 486 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,433 - The only good news of the day. 487 00:17:15,502 --> 00:17:16,467 - Yeah! 488 00:17:16,536 --> 00:17:18,903 - Here it comes. 489 00:17:18,972 --> 00:17:19,737 [upbeat music] 490 00:17:19,806 --> 00:17:21,305 Why does it feel so light? 491 00:17:21,374 --> 00:17:22,840 Feels very light. 492 00:17:22,909 --> 00:17:24,809 - Light? 493 00:17:24,878 --> 00:17:26,110 Sandwich is good. 494 00:17:28,615 --> 00:17:31,482 - You ass[bleep]! 495 00:17:31,551 --> 00:17:33,718 No! - [laughing] 496 00:17:33,787 --> 00:17:35,753 - [laughing] Oh, my God. 497 00:17:35,822 --> 00:17:37,722 - Mmm... - Oh, I hate you. 498 00:17:37,791 --> 00:17:39,590 Oh, I hate you so much. 499 00:17:39,659 --> 00:17:41,192 - You got snack-fished. 500 00:17:41,261 --> 00:17:42,593 Boom! 501 00:17:42,662 --> 00:17:44,062 All right, enough fun and games. 502 00:17:44,130 --> 00:17:46,130 We gotta get Tam in here and talk to her 503 00:17:46,199 --> 00:17:47,432 and tell her what we found. 504 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:48,766 - And that's even more depressing 505 00:17:48,835 --> 00:17:51,936 than not getting my chocolate. 506 00:17:52,005 --> 00:17:53,438 - All right, well, doesn't look 507 00:17:53,506 --> 00:17:57,208 like we have any proof that Jamena is real. 508 00:17:57,277 --> 00:18:00,144 We have a couple things that suggest she might not be. 509 00:18:00,213 --> 00:18:02,547 But we definitely don't have what we wanted, 510 00:18:02,615 --> 00:18:05,216 which is a beautiful love story. 511 00:18:05,285 --> 00:18:06,484 Yet. 512 00:18:06,553 --> 00:18:08,753 - We haven't found the real Jamena 513 00:18:08,822 --> 00:18:10,988 in the pictures, so there still is a chance, 514 00:18:11,057 --> 00:18:13,825 but it's just-- it's not looking good. 515 00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:16,394 It breaks my heart. Tam's gonna be so disappointed. 516 00:18:16,463 --> 00:18:17,662 - Wait a second. 517 00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:21,032 She texted back and said she's coming now. 518 00:18:22,135 --> 00:18:23,134 Whoa! 519 00:18:23,203 --> 00:18:24,335 - Hey! - Hey. 520 00:18:24,404 --> 00:18:26,337 - Oh, wow. 521 00:18:26,406 --> 00:18:29,140 - Hey. - A little hair switch. 522 00:18:30,376 --> 00:18:32,110 - How you feeling, Tam? What's going on with you? 523 00:18:32,178 --> 00:18:33,478 - I'm nervous. 524 00:18:33,546 --> 00:18:35,580 Like, very nervous. 525 00:18:35,648 --> 00:18:37,181 I wanna know what y'all found. 526 00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:39,450 My mind all over the place, to be honest. 527 00:18:39,519 --> 00:18:41,953 - Have you talked to Jamena today? 528 00:18:42,021 --> 00:18:44,522 - Not today, but I talked to her last night. 529 00:18:44,591 --> 00:18:45,923 We fell asleep on the phone. 530 00:18:45,992 --> 00:18:47,992 We was on the phone for, like, six hours. 531 00:18:48,061 --> 00:18:49,927 - Wow, jeez. 532 00:18:49,996 --> 00:18:52,230 All right, well, look. We found a couple things, 533 00:18:52,298 --> 00:18:55,133 maybe some of which will make sense to you, 534 00:18:55,201 --> 00:18:56,801 but we wanna show you what we found 535 00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:58,402 so that we can figure out what the next step should be. 536 00:18:58,471 --> 00:18:59,637 - Okay. 537 00:18:59,706 --> 00:19:01,672 - I'll share my screen with you guys. 538 00:19:01,741 --> 00:19:03,074 All right, so the first thing we did was, 539 00:19:03,143 --> 00:19:05,676 on Facebook, we did a search for Jamena Smith. 540 00:19:05,745 --> 00:19:08,379 And the first profile that came up here is this. 541 00:19:08,448 --> 00:19:11,582 This is not the same Facebook page that you had found. 542 00:19:11,651 --> 00:19:13,351 This is different. 543 00:19:13,419 --> 00:19:15,019 You saw this one, and this one seems 544 00:19:15,088 --> 00:19:16,487 to have very, very little on it. 545 00:19:16,556 --> 00:19:19,457 The one that we found at least has a little bit more. 546 00:19:19,526 --> 00:19:21,792 But it's definitely the same girl. 547 00:19:21,861 --> 00:19:24,095 You can tell by the tattoo on her arm. 548 00:19:25,298 --> 00:19:28,466 It looks like both pages were last used in 2011. 549 00:19:28,535 --> 00:19:29,767 - Mm-hmm. 550 00:19:29,836 --> 00:19:31,235 - The one that we found, this page was made, 551 00:19:31,304 --> 00:19:33,137 it was filled out, some pictures were put up, 552 00:19:33,206 --> 00:19:36,507 and then it looks like it sat and hasn't been used since. 553 00:19:36,576 --> 00:19:40,044 Says that she lived in Illinois and that she's from Atlanta. 554 00:19:40,113 --> 00:19:41,546 - She told me she was from Atlanta, 555 00:19:41,614 --> 00:19:44,148 but she never said nothing about Illinois. 556 00:19:44,217 --> 00:19:46,017 - But it also says that she was a registered nurse. 557 00:19:46,085 --> 00:19:49,820 So this looks like an account that certainly was hers, 558 00:19:49,889 --> 00:19:52,623 but why so few friends? Why so few posts? 559 00:19:52,692 --> 00:19:54,058 Why did they stop using it? 560 00:19:54,127 --> 00:19:55,560 And a lot of questions this brings up. 561 00:19:55,628 --> 00:19:56,928 - Mm-kay. 562 00:19:56,996 --> 00:19:58,963 - But at the same time, it also kind of confirms 563 00:19:59,032 --> 00:20:00,798 that maybe she is Jamena Smith. 564 00:20:00,867 --> 00:20:01,899 That's what she says her name is, 565 00:20:01,968 --> 00:20:03,067 and these are pictures of her. 566 00:20:03,136 --> 00:20:05,102 So in a way, it's also a good thing. 567 00:20:05,171 --> 00:20:07,338 The next thing we did, we searched the number 568 00:20:07,407 --> 00:20:08,773 that you had for Jamena. 569 00:20:08,841 --> 00:20:10,541 The current phone number, on one site, 570 00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:12,877 came back registered to Daniel Wolf. 571 00:20:12,946 --> 00:20:15,179 Wasn't sure if that name rang any bells for you. 572 00:20:15,248 --> 00:20:16,781 - No, I ain't never even heard of that. 573 00:20:16,849 --> 00:20:18,583 - Sometimes the phone search picks up people 574 00:20:18,651 --> 00:20:19,984 who maybe had the number before. 575 00:20:20,053 --> 00:20:22,653 It doesn't really necessarily mean anything 576 00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:23,988 one way or the other. 577 00:20:24,057 --> 00:20:26,224 So then we searched the number 578 00:20:26,292 --> 00:20:28,192 that sent you the threatening text 579 00:20:28,261 --> 00:20:30,061 and came up with this. 580 00:20:30,129 --> 00:20:31,896 Dreah Taylor. 581 00:20:31,965 --> 00:20:34,065 Have you ever seen that name? - Nuh-uh. 582 00:20:34,133 --> 00:20:36,434 - So we then went and looked at Dreah's page, 583 00:20:36,502 --> 00:20:37,935 and I sent her this message. 584 00:20:38,004 --> 00:20:39,270 As you can see, I just said, "Hey, I'm Nev 585 00:20:39,339 --> 00:20:41,405 "from the show 'Catfish,' hoping you can help us. 586 00:20:41,474 --> 00:20:44,475 Call me," and I haven't heard anything from her. 587 00:20:44,544 --> 00:20:46,010 More importantly, though, 588 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:49,146 we searched Jamena in Dreah's friends list... 589 00:20:49,215 --> 00:20:51,249 If this girl texted on behalf of Jamena, 590 00:20:51,317 --> 00:20:53,651 then she should be friends with Jamena. 591 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,753 It did come back with a hit, 592 00:20:55,822 --> 00:20:58,789 but this woman's name is Jamena [bleep]. 593 00:20:58,858 --> 00:21:01,792 She's got two daughters, which also matches 594 00:21:01,861 --> 00:21:03,628 with what Jamena told you, right? 595 00:21:03,696 --> 00:21:05,029 - Yeah. - If you look 596 00:21:05,098 --> 00:21:07,865 in her little bio here, it's got some emojis, 597 00:21:07,934 --> 00:21:09,967 one of which is a hospital. 598 00:21:10,036 --> 00:21:12,436 And there are photos of her in her scrubs, 599 00:21:12,505 --> 00:21:15,273 which matches with her potentially being a nurse. 600 00:21:15,341 --> 00:21:17,842 So this could be who you're talking to. 601 00:21:17,910 --> 00:21:19,844 - That kinda creeping me out, low-key, 602 00:21:19,912 --> 00:21:22,613 'cause the two kids and the hospital, 603 00:21:22,682 --> 00:21:25,283 and the name...it's crazy. 604 00:21:25,351 --> 00:21:27,118 - Some things make sense, a lot doesn't, 605 00:21:27,186 --> 00:21:29,620 and so we're not sure what it all means. 606 00:21:29,689 --> 00:21:32,390 So after that, we just did a basic search 607 00:21:32,458 --> 00:21:34,692 for Jamena Smith. 608 00:21:34,761 --> 00:21:37,128 And when we did that, we got one hit. 609 00:21:37,196 --> 00:21:40,164 And it says, "Someone by the name of Jamena Smith 610 00:21:40,233 --> 00:21:41,432 "keeps contacting different women 611 00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:42,667 "using my pictures. 612 00:21:42,735 --> 00:21:44,869 She won't stop. It's a fake account." 613 00:21:48,641 --> 00:21:50,808 [gentle acoustic guitar] 614 00:21:50,877 --> 00:21:54,779 - This is just making me wanna just throw up. 615 00:21:54,847 --> 00:21:59,517 - ♪ Well, I'm so sorry ♪ 616 00:21:59,585 --> 00:22:02,720 ♪ That I wasted my time ♪ 617 00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:05,489 - It's just weird, but... 618 00:22:05,558 --> 00:22:09,193 I don't know. It is what it is at this point. 619 00:22:09,262 --> 00:22:11,162 - All right, well, look, right now, we're waiting 620 00:22:11,230 --> 00:22:13,230 to see if Dreah gets back to us. 621 00:22:13,299 --> 00:22:14,732 But if we don't hear back from Dreah, 622 00:22:14,801 --> 00:22:16,334 then the only thing left to do 623 00:22:16,402 --> 00:22:18,869 is just reach out directly to Jamena. 624 00:22:18,938 --> 00:22:23,174 ♪ ♪ 625 00:22:25,211 --> 00:22:26,744 - I just feel like... 626 00:22:26,813 --> 00:22:27,845 a waste of time. 627 00:22:27,914 --> 00:22:29,547 A straight waste of time. 628 00:22:29,615 --> 00:22:31,449 [somber music] 629 00:22:31,517 --> 00:22:33,117 - All right, well, look, Tam, we gotta figure out 630 00:22:33,186 --> 00:22:36,153 what we wanna do know because obviously, 631 00:22:36,222 --> 00:22:39,623 the last piece of the puzzle is figuring out 632 00:22:39,692 --> 00:22:41,892 who Jamena is, 633 00:22:41,961 --> 00:22:43,861 and maybe even more importantly, 634 00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:46,297 finding out how she actually feels about you. 635 00:22:46,366 --> 00:22:48,999 We're waiting to see if Dreah gets back to us, 636 00:22:49,068 --> 00:22:50,568 but if we don't hear back from Dreah, 637 00:22:50,636 --> 00:22:52,002 then the only thing left to do 638 00:22:52,071 --> 00:22:54,205 is just reach out directly to Jamena 639 00:22:54,273 --> 00:22:56,240 and give her an opportunity to explain herself. 640 00:22:56,309 --> 00:22:57,508 - Mm. 641 00:22:57,577 --> 00:22:58,709 - I feel like if I sent her a message that said, 642 00:22:58,778 --> 00:23:01,011 "Hey, Tam reached out. She wanted to meet you. 643 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,279 We've done some research. 644 00:23:02,348 --> 00:23:04,081 We know that you haven't been totally honest." 645 00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:06,016 And just tell her, "Look, you've got one chance 646 00:23:06,085 --> 00:23:08,419 "to try and explain this to Tam, 647 00:23:08,488 --> 00:23:11,088 "and if you don't take this opportunity, 648 00:23:11,157 --> 00:23:12,990 you're never gonna hear from her again." 649 00:23:13,059 --> 00:23:14,325 - I don't even know if you should give her, 650 00:23:14,394 --> 00:23:16,360 like, an easy way out 'cause she'll choose it. 651 00:23:16,429 --> 00:23:18,796 She's not gonna hold herself accountable. 652 00:23:18,865 --> 00:23:19,864 I think you should just be like, 653 00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:23,601 "This is Nev, and we got Tam here. 654 00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:24,769 Get on." Like... 655 00:23:24,837 --> 00:23:28,606 - "I'm reaching out on behalf of Tam 656 00:23:28,674 --> 00:23:34,245 in an effort to help her finally meet you." 657 00:23:34,313 --> 00:23:36,981 - I don't think you should even give her a inch. 658 00:23:37,049 --> 00:23:39,717 Like, just get in Zoom, like... - All right. 659 00:23:39,786 --> 00:23:41,285 Says, "Hey, Jamena, this is Nev from the show 'Catfish.' 660 00:23:41,354 --> 00:23:42,920 "I'm reaching out on behalf of Tam 661 00:23:42,989 --> 00:23:44,221 "in an effort to help her finally meet you. 662 00:23:44,290 --> 00:23:46,590 We are in a Zoom now. Join." 663 00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:48,592 All right, I'm sending her the link now. 664 00:23:48,661 --> 00:23:49,593 [tense music] 665 00:23:49,662 --> 00:23:51,529 All right, it says it's delivered. 666 00:23:51,597 --> 00:23:53,330 - This better work, Tam. 667 00:23:53,399 --> 00:23:55,933 I mean, do you have anything in mind that you're gonna say? 668 00:23:56,002 --> 00:23:57,034 [message notification dings] 669 00:23:57,103 --> 00:23:58,702 - Oh, oh! Hold on, hold on. 670 00:23:58,771 --> 00:23:59,870 Sorry. She wrote back. 671 00:23:59,939 --> 00:24:01,338 She said, "Why are you messaging me? 672 00:24:01,407 --> 00:24:03,240 What do we have to talk about?" 673 00:24:03,309 --> 00:24:07,611 Okay, so I'm gonna say, "Well, I'm messaging you because... 674 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,714 "Tam asked for my help. 675 00:24:10,783 --> 00:24:12,850 "She's an amazing woman, 676 00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:17,388 and I don't want to see her get hurt." 677 00:24:18,558 --> 00:24:21,192 Is that okay? - I think that's good. 678 00:24:21,260 --> 00:24:22,526 - I'm just gonna start a conversation with her, 679 00:24:22,595 --> 00:24:25,095 to see if I can get her talking a little. 680 00:24:25,164 --> 00:24:26,263 [message notification dings] Oh, whoa, whoa. 681 00:24:26,332 --> 00:24:27,598 She just sent a long message. Hold on. 682 00:24:27,667 --> 00:24:30,234 "Tam never told me she thought I was a catfish. 683 00:24:30,303 --> 00:24:31,769 "We've been talking a really long time, 684 00:24:31,838 --> 00:24:35,306 "even had a break up, and she never expressed those feelings, 685 00:24:35,374 --> 00:24:37,808 "so I'm bit thrown off guard by this and shocked. 686 00:24:37,877 --> 00:24:40,644 I have to think about this. I need some time." 687 00:24:42,114 --> 00:24:44,181 "I'll get back to you in an hour." 688 00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:45,950 - Fine. - "Okay, fine. 689 00:24:46,018 --> 00:24:49,019 Let's talk in an hour." 690 00:24:49,088 --> 00:24:50,654 - I feel like she playin' me. 691 00:24:50,723 --> 00:24:52,056 I don't like that. 692 00:24:52,124 --> 00:24:53,524 - All right, well, let's take a break, 693 00:24:53,593 --> 00:24:55,960 and we'll get back in a little bit. 694 00:24:56,028 --> 00:24:59,763 [dramatic music] 695 00:24:59,832 --> 00:25:00,965 ♪ ♪ 696 00:25:01,033 --> 00:25:03,067 - [sighs] Hey. - Well, here we are. 697 00:25:03,135 --> 00:25:05,269 Waiting for Jamena. I mean, it's like... 698 00:25:05,338 --> 00:25:06,570 This is what she does, right? 699 00:25:06,639 --> 00:25:08,305 She says she'll meet you, and then you show up, 700 00:25:08,374 --> 00:25:09,740 and she doesn't. - Mm-hmm. 701 00:25:09,809 --> 00:25:11,075 - If she needs to be coddled 702 00:25:11,143 --> 00:25:14,879 and handled with kid gloves right now, fine. 703 00:25:14,947 --> 00:25:16,747 All right, so I said, "Well, if you pass up this moment, 704 00:25:16,816 --> 00:25:18,115 "you will have to live with that decision 705 00:25:18,184 --> 00:25:19,850 for the rest of your life." 706 00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:25,122 ♪ ♪ 707 00:25:25,191 --> 00:25:27,024 I mean, we're still waiting. 708 00:25:27,093 --> 00:25:28,526 It's been over an hour now. 709 00:25:28,594 --> 00:25:35,533 ♪ ♪ 710 00:25:43,175 --> 00:25:44,074 - It's been a while. 711 00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:45,175 I've, like... 712 00:25:45,244 --> 00:25:47,111 gotten really comfortable. 713 00:25:48,714 --> 00:25:50,180 It's been over an hour. 714 00:25:50,249 --> 00:25:51,916 - Girl, at this point... 715 00:25:51,984 --> 00:25:54,251 - If this is how it ends, with... 716 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,021 Jamena just not showing up, 717 00:25:57,089 --> 00:25:58,289 are you gonna be okay with that? 718 00:25:58,357 --> 00:25:59,790 - I just feel like it's still weird 719 00:25:59,859 --> 00:26:01,759 'cause I don't even know who I'm talking to. 720 00:26:01,827 --> 00:26:03,360 It's weird. [message notification dings] 721 00:26:03,429 --> 00:26:04,795 - Wait, she just texted me back. 722 00:26:04,864 --> 00:26:06,163 - Ah! - She said... 723 00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:07,197 "I'm really sorry. 724 00:26:07,266 --> 00:26:08,365 "Today is a horrible day, 725 00:26:08,434 --> 00:26:10,100 "and I just can't do this right now, 726 00:26:10,169 --> 00:26:12,770 and I would like to be left alone for now." 727 00:26:12,838 --> 00:26:15,005 - Oh! - She's typing. 728 00:26:15,074 --> 00:26:16,440 "I don't want to have to do this, 729 00:26:16,509 --> 00:26:18,742 "but if you guys keep pushing... 730 00:26:18,811 --> 00:26:20,678 I will block the number." 731 00:26:20,746 --> 00:26:23,180 - Okay. - Okay. 732 00:26:23,249 --> 00:26:24,748 [tense music] 733 00:26:24,817 --> 00:26:25,849 - At this point... 734 00:26:25,918 --> 00:26:27,418 - Just leave it, Nev. 735 00:26:31,057 --> 00:26:35,593 - "The victim here, and nobody feels sorry for you." 736 00:26:35,661 --> 00:26:36,627 - Oh, no, n-- 737 00:26:38,497 --> 00:26:41,832 No, no, no. - "Bye." 738 00:26:44,670 --> 00:26:46,837 - No... 739 00:26:49,675 --> 00:26:53,210 She blocked you. 740 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:54,845 - Sorry, Tam. 741 00:26:54,914 --> 00:26:58,082 I know that's not how any of us wanted this to end, but, uh... 742 00:26:58,150 --> 00:26:59,350 - This is what she does. 743 00:26:59,418 --> 00:27:00,884 This is what she does. 744 00:27:00,953 --> 00:27:03,053 Why should we be any different? 745 00:27:03,122 --> 00:27:04,288 - I still don't even know 746 00:27:04,357 --> 00:27:07,057 who I was talking to, but it's... 747 00:27:07,126 --> 00:27:08,258 Cool, I guess. 748 00:27:08,327 --> 00:27:11,862 - ♪ Shouldn't this place ♪ 749 00:27:11,931 --> 00:27:14,064 ♪ Feel like home? ♪ 750 00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:15,566 - You deserve closure. 751 00:27:15,635 --> 00:27:18,702 Like, you deserve to be able to move on with your life 752 00:27:18,771 --> 00:27:22,172 and have answers to everything that you want answers to. 753 00:27:22,241 --> 00:27:23,707 You deserve that. 754 00:27:23,776 --> 00:27:25,042 [somber music] 755 00:27:25,111 --> 00:27:27,011 - Thank you, guys. 756 00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:28,812 I know y'all tried. 757 00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:32,049 - We tried. 758 00:27:32,118 --> 00:27:33,250 - Bye. 759 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:34,652 - All right, bye, Tam. 760 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,053 - All right, bye. 761 00:27:36,122 --> 00:27:38,288 - I feel awful. 762 00:27:38,357 --> 00:27:39,723 - Such a bummer, you know? 763 00:27:39,792 --> 00:27:43,293 - ♪ Shouldn't this place ♪ 764 00:27:43,362 --> 00:27:48,499 ♪ Feel like home? ♪ 765 00:27:49,435 --> 00:27:50,401 [message notification dings] 766 00:27:50,469 --> 00:27:53,671 - Oh, just got a text 767 00:27:53,739 --> 00:27:55,039 on the show phone. 768 00:27:55,107 --> 00:27:58,375 [suspenseful music] 769 00:27:58,444 --> 00:28:01,111 Remember that episode that we just filmed? 770 00:28:01,180 --> 00:28:02,980 They just texted. 771 00:28:03,049 --> 00:28:05,215 "Hey, Nev. This is Jamena. 772 00:28:05,284 --> 00:28:06,717 "I wasn't able to talk the other day, 773 00:28:06,786 --> 00:28:08,752 "but I can talk now. 774 00:28:08,821 --> 00:28:11,722 "Is there any way we can Zoom today? 775 00:28:11,791 --> 00:28:13,157 I will definitely show up today." 776 00:28:13,225 --> 00:28:15,225 - "Definitely show up." 777 00:28:15,294 --> 00:28:16,593 I'll believe it when I see it. 778 00:28:16,662 --> 00:28:17,861 - We'll see. 779 00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:19,163 Ooh, I better tell Kamie. 780 00:28:19,231 --> 00:28:20,798 All right. 781 00:28:20,866 --> 00:28:22,332 Text Kamie. 782 00:28:22,401 --> 00:28:25,469 "Just got a text from Jamena. 783 00:28:26,639 --> 00:28:32,109 She says she wants to Zoom now." 784 00:28:32,178 --> 00:28:33,744 - Hey! 785 00:28:33,813 --> 00:28:35,012 What is happening? 786 00:28:35,081 --> 00:28:36,180 - Well, let's get Tam. 787 00:28:36,248 --> 00:28:38,549 Let me get Tam on here. Tam! 788 00:28:38,617 --> 00:28:40,250 "Jamena just texted me. 789 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:42,453 Looks like today might be the day." 790 00:28:42,521 --> 00:28:44,354 - Don't get her hopes up. 791 00:28:44,423 --> 00:28:46,890 - "Come back in the Zoom!" 792 00:28:46,959 --> 00:28:48,859 Tam and this girl... 793 00:28:48,928 --> 00:28:51,462 have on-and-off two years been talking, but, like, 794 00:28:51,530 --> 00:28:53,530 they are tight. 795 00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:55,466 She's jumping on now. 796 00:28:55,534 --> 00:28:56,967 Oh! - Ah! 797 00:28:57,036 --> 00:28:58,535 - Oh! - Tam! 798 00:28:58,604 --> 00:28:59,970 - What's up, y'all? 799 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,673 - Tam, this is my wife, Laura. 800 00:29:02,742 --> 00:29:03,741 - Hey, Laura. 801 00:29:03,809 --> 00:29:04,842 - Hi, how are you? 802 00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:06,443 - Hey. I'm good. 803 00:29:06,512 --> 00:29:08,445 - We filled her in a little bit on your situation. 804 00:29:08,514 --> 00:29:10,781 - Yeah, it's crazy. 805 00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:12,549 - It's a [bleep] situation, Tam. 806 00:29:12,618 --> 00:29:14,918 - I di--listen. Listen. 807 00:29:14,987 --> 00:29:17,221 I don't know what's gonna happen today. 808 00:29:17,289 --> 00:29:19,056 I'm not getting my hopes up. 809 00:29:19,125 --> 00:29:20,557 I don't know how you feel. 810 00:29:20,626 --> 00:29:22,259 - Yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up, neither. 811 00:29:22,328 --> 00:29:23,527 - Well, let's see if she shows up. 812 00:29:23,596 --> 00:29:24,561 I'm gonna text her now. 813 00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:26,096 - All right, I'm gonna let you guys 814 00:29:26,165 --> 00:29:27,464 wait it out. Good luck! 815 00:29:27,533 --> 00:29:29,399 - Nice to meet you. 816 00:29:29,468 --> 00:29:31,268 - All right. - Man. 817 00:29:31,337 --> 00:29:33,670 - So y'all think she gonna really show? 818 00:29:33,739 --> 00:29:35,172 - We'll see. - No. 819 00:29:35,241 --> 00:29:36,774 The thing is, though, Tam, like, 820 00:29:36,842 --> 00:29:40,244 you did have a really amazing connection with her, 821 00:29:40,312 --> 00:29:42,579 and I would love for that to continue. 822 00:29:42,648 --> 00:29:44,982 I just don't want her dicking you around. 823 00:29:45,050 --> 00:29:46,116 - Oh, she said, "Okay," 824 00:29:46,185 --> 00:29:48,418 so fingers crossed she shows up... 825 00:29:48,487 --> 00:29:50,220 which should be any moment now. 826 00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:51,555 - Here we go! 827 00:29:51,624 --> 00:29:52,956 [computer chimes] - Oh! 828 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,225 - Oh, she said, "Okay," 829 00:29:55,294 --> 00:29:57,161 so fingers crossed she shows up, 830 00:29:57,229 --> 00:29:58,929 which should be any moment now. 831 00:29:58,998 --> 00:30:00,264 - Here we go! 832 00:30:00,332 --> 00:30:02,199 [computer chimes] - Oh! 833 00:30:02,268 --> 00:30:03,333 Oh--oh! 834 00:30:03,402 --> 00:30:05,702 - Hi. - Oh! Hello! 835 00:30:05,771 --> 00:30:07,070 - Oh. 836 00:30:07,139 --> 00:30:08,672 - Jamena, is that-- that's your name? 837 00:30:08,741 --> 00:30:10,107 - Correct. Yes. 838 00:30:10,176 --> 00:30:11,308 - Hi. - You know, you can't-- 839 00:30:11,377 --> 00:30:13,510 you can't get coronavirus through computers, 840 00:30:13,579 --> 00:30:15,112 so if you wanna take your mask off, 841 00:30:15,181 --> 00:30:17,381 you're welcome to. - Well--I'm not. 842 00:30:18,651 --> 00:30:21,251 Well, I'm very pleased that you chose to join us today. 843 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,720 Obviously, you know Tam. 844 00:30:23,789 --> 00:30:25,255 - Correct. 845 00:30:25,324 --> 00:30:26,857 - I'm Kamie. - This is Kamie. 846 00:30:26,926 --> 00:30:28,392 - Hi, Kamie. 847 00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:30,427 - So the first thing that comes to mind for me is, 848 00:30:30,496 --> 00:30:32,896 can you just tell us a little bit about yourself? 849 00:30:32,965 --> 00:30:34,431 - So what would you like to know? 850 00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:36,834 - Well, you've been pretty hard to get ahold of, 851 00:30:36,902 --> 00:30:38,101 so we do have some questions. 852 00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:39,269 [tense music] 853 00:30:39,338 --> 00:30:40,904 - Is your real name "Jamena"? 854 00:30:40,973 --> 00:30:42,573 - No... - Okay. 855 00:30:42,641 --> 00:30:44,341 - But I go by-- I go by Mena. 856 00:30:44,410 --> 00:30:46,410 - And, Mena, where do you live? 857 00:30:46,478 --> 00:30:49,546 - I'm in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. - Oh, okay. 858 00:30:49,615 --> 00:30:52,115 - Um...I do nursing work. 859 00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:54,484 Um...what else you like to know? 860 00:30:56,522 --> 00:30:58,255 - What--what was stopping you 861 00:30:58,324 --> 00:31:00,157 from talking to us the other day? 862 00:31:00,226 --> 00:31:01,725 - I just had a lot going on 863 00:31:01,794 --> 00:31:04,928 that I don't wanna discuss right now. 864 00:31:04,997 --> 00:31:07,598 - A lot going on. Well, you're here now. 865 00:31:07,666 --> 00:31:09,299 So when did this all start? 866 00:31:09,368 --> 00:31:11,335 When did you create your fake profile? 867 00:31:13,572 --> 00:31:15,239 - Ten years ago? 868 00:31:15,307 --> 00:31:17,307 - Yeah. - Wow, that's a long time. 869 00:31:17,376 --> 00:31:18,508 Okay, so I'm sure then 870 00:31:18,577 --> 00:31:20,410 you've talked to a lot of women. 871 00:31:20,479 --> 00:31:21,545 - Mm-hmm. 872 00:31:21,614 --> 00:31:22,913 - Okay, and have you talked to them 873 00:31:22,982 --> 00:31:26,350 for as long and as intensely as you did with Tam? 874 00:31:26,418 --> 00:31:28,318 - No, it'd probably been, like, a month... 875 00:31:33,792 --> 00:31:36,059 - But again, you had initially been the one 876 00:31:36,128 --> 00:31:37,928 to say, like, "If you can't FaceTime, forget it." 877 00:31:37,997 --> 00:31:38,962 and then-- - Yeah. 878 00:31:39,031 --> 00:31:40,364 - You were the one who FaceTimed her. 879 00:31:40,432 --> 00:31:42,599 What would you have done if she had answered? 880 00:31:42,668 --> 00:31:43,800 - So... 881 00:31:50,676 --> 00:31:52,976 - Wha-- - You just block the person. 882 00:31:53,045 --> 00:31:54,811 - Oh. - You block the person. 883 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,949 And so when you call them, they won't be able to pick up. 884 00:31:59,018 --> 00:32:00,784 - Wow. 885 00:32:03,255 --> 00:32:06,823 [tense music] 886 00:32:06,892 --> 00:32:11,295 - So, Mena, do you consider that to be manipulating people? 887 00:32:11,363 --> 00:32:13,530 - It may be manipulation. 888 00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:17,534 - So do you feel like you manipulated Tam? 889 00:32:17,603 --> 00:32:20,337 - I'm not sure. I don't think so. 890 00:32:20,406 --> 00:32:22,973 - 'Cause you did the same kind of thing to her. 891 00:32:23,042 --> 00:32:26,410 - So I guess--well, I guess that is a form of manipulation, 892 00:32:26,478 --> 00:32:29,146 so I guess that's what it is. I don't... 893 00:32:29,214 --> 00:32:32,282 wanna...whatever. 894 00:32:32,351 --> 00:32:33,317 - Man, see, I don't know. 895 00:32:33,385 --> 00:32:35,752 I just feel... 896 00:32:35,821 --> 00:32:37,120 played. 897 00:32:37,189 --> 00:32:38,622 - Well... 898 00:32:38,691 --> 00:32:40,490 - See, I'm trying to understand why you would either 899 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:44,027 create a fake profile, or be sort of nervous to, 900 00:32:44,096 --> 00:32:46,229 or--or avoid-- 901 00:32:46,298 --> 00:32:48,398 - It was just something that I did, like, 902 00:32:48,467 --> 00:32:50,534 not even being serious about it. 903 00:32:50,602 --> 00:32:52,636 Like, it was just something-- I was bored, 904 00:32:52,705 --> 00:32:54,638 and I did it, not even being really serious. 905 00:32:54,707 --> 00:32:56,940 Wasn't even taking the whole profile serious. 906 00:32:57,009 --> 00:32:58,108 [somber music] 907 00:32:58,177 --> 00:32:59,676 - Just based on what Tam told us, 908 00:32:59,745 --> 00:33:01,445 the relationship you guys have had 909 00:33:01,513 --> 00:33:02,512 and the connection that you've had 910 00:33:02,581 --> 00:33:05,949 seems to have been very meaningful. 911 00:33:06,018 --> 00:33:07,017 - Mm-hmm. 912 00:33:07,086 --> 00:33:08,852 - And I just can't tell... 913 00:33:08,921 --> 00:33:12,189 where you're at with your feelings towards her. 914 00:33:12,257 --> 00:33:14,458 What do you feel like you and Tam are? 915 00:33:14,526 --> 00:33:17,194 - Just, like, a really good friendship. 916 00:33:17,262 --> 00:33:18,595 Like, a really good friendship. 917 00:33:18,664 --> 00:33:21,631 Somebody to talk to. Like, we vibe like that. 918 00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:23,400 Like, I really look at her like that. 919 00:33:23,469 --> 00:33:25,802 - Well, we saw a lot of the messages 920 00:33:25,871 --> 00:33:27,637 that you guys have shared back and forth, 921 00:33:27,706 --> 00:33:29,606 and it doesn't just seem like something 922 00:33:29,675 --> 00:33:31,608 that you send to your girlfriends. 923 00:33:31,677 --> 00:33:32,843 Like, it sounds like something 924 00:33:32,911 --> 00:33:34,945 you would send to your girlfriend. 925 00:33:35,014 --> 00:33:36,680 - It was bigger. It was deeper. 926 00:33:36,749 --> 00:33:39,449 And I feel like you kinda took advantage of me a little bit. 927 00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:41,885 'Cause I was really broken. 928 00:33:41,954 --> 00:33:45,589 And I feel like... you don't understand that. 929 00:33:45,657 --> 00:33:47,424 - Okay, so I guess it is... 930 00:33:47,493 --> 00:33:50,227 I-I have feelings. I do, I do. 931 00:33:50,295 --> 00:33:51,895 It is a--it is. 932 00:33:51,964 --> 00:33:53,630 I guess it's me just trying to say this 933 00:33:53,699 --> 00:33:57,100 to protect my own self, but I do have feelings. 934 00:33:57,169 --> 00:34:00,704 ♪ ♪ 935 00:34:00,773 --> 00:34:03,840 - I feel like everything is a lie. 936 00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:06,043 You're telling me to link up with you places, 937 00:34:06,111 --> 00:34:07,377 and you knew you wasn't coming. 938 00:34:07,446 --> 00:34:10,447 That's just--I still feel like that's [bleep] up. 939 00:34:10,516 --> 00:34:13,050 I'm really embarrassed. 940 00:34:13,118 --> 00:34:15,452 I feel like you embarrassed me. 941 00:34:15,521 --> 00:34:18,455 - I'm just worried that you don't truly care about Tam. 942 00:34:18,524 --> 00:34:20,657 I mean, are you in another relationship? 943 00:34:20,726 --> 00:34:23,060 Who texted Tam those threatening messages? 944 00:34:23,128 --> 00:34:26,696 Someone named Dreah. 945 00:34:26,765 --> 00:34:29,599 - Oh, Dreah. Okay, she's a friend. 946 00:34:29,668 --> 00:34:31,535 - So she's your friend? 947 00:34:31,603 --> 00:34:34,204 And you had her send some smoke Tam's way for no reason? 948 00:34:34,273 --> 00:34:36,339 If she's someone that you really care about, 949 00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:38,141 like, why have her threaten her? 950 00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:39,309 Why? 951 00:34:39,378 --> 00:34:40,377 - Because I just wanted it 952 00:34:40,446 --> 00:34:41,645 to end at that point. 953 00:34:41,713 --> 00:34:43,013 Like, I just wanted it for-- 954 00:34:43,082 --> 00:34:45,182 at that point, I just wanted it to be over with. 955 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:46,683 Just to end. 956 00:34:49,688 --> 00:34:51,488 - That's pretty [bleep] up. 957 00:34:51,557 --> 00:34:53,423 - I did that all, and I apologize. 958 00:34:53,492 --> 00:34:56,359 I truly am sorry. Like, I was wrong. 959 00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:58,862 I really, really messed up something great. 960 00:34:58,931 --> 00:35:01,798 I don't want to get emotional; I don't wanna cry. 961 00:35:01,867 --> 00:35:04,401 So I'm actually, like, holding stuff back... 962 00:35:06,338 --> 00:35:08,405 - Mm. 963 00:35:08,474 --> 00:35:12,642 - I've never was able to be so open with a person. 964 00:35:12,711 --> 00:35:15,579 I really wish that we could move forward and move on, 965 00:35:15,647 --> 00:35:17,747 and like I've told you, I love you. 966 00:35:19,084 --> 00:35:21,351 - Mm... 967 00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:23,420 Kamie, can me and you talk? 968 00:35:23,489 --> 00:35:24,488 Real quick? 969 00:35:24,556 --> 00:35:25,956 - Yeah. - Okay. 970 00:35:26,024 --> 00:35:27,190 All right, we'll see you guys in a minute. 971 00:35:27,259 --> 00:35:29,192 - See you in a second. Okay. 972 00:35:29,261 --> 00:35:30,427 - Hey. 973 00:35:30,496 --> 00:35:31,862 - Girl, you're being so quiet. 974 00:35:31,930 --> 00:35:33,597 You've gotta tell her how you feel. 975 00:35:33,665 --> 00:35:35,932 - Right now, I'm just like, numb. 976 00:35:36,001 --> 00:35:37,934 To be honest. 977 00:35:38,003 --> 00:35:40,770 I'm, like, very, very numb. 978 00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:45,075 I don't know what's real and what's fake. 979 00:35:45,144 --> 00:35:46,910 Mm...I don't know. 980 00:35:46,979 --> 00:35:48,912 - What's up? Because I'm a little confused. 981 00:35:48,981 --> 00:35:50,614 Because even though you're saying 982 00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:52,249 all the right things now, 983 00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:54,050 based on the actions of the past, 984 00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:56,319 it just didn't feel like you cared that much, 985 00:35:56,388 --> 00:35:57,287 so I'm not sure if-- 986 00:35:57,356 --> 00:35:59,189 - Yes, I care! 987 00:35:59,258 --> 00:36:01,892 I really do. I really care. 988 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,927 - I don't think she was even bad-looking. 989 00:36:03,996 --> 00:36:05,028 - No. 990 00:36:05,097 --> 00:36:07,264 You can tell by her attitude 991 00:36:07,332 --> 00:36:08,632 something else is going on. 992 00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:11,001 She's just not willing to say what it is. 993 00:36:12,304 --> 00:36:14,371 I guess, like, when you have feelings for a person, 994 00:36:14,439 --> 00:36:16,306 kind of, it's just, like, hard. 995 00:36:16,375 --> 00:36:18,475 - Yeah, it doesn't just go away. 996 00:36:18,544 --> 00:36:19,643 And like, even the fact that 997 00:36:19,711 --> 00:36:22,212 she looks like an attractive woman, 998 00:36:22,281 --> 00:36:24,514 and everything is the same, 999 00:36:24,583 --> 00:36:28,985 it's hard not to imagine what could possibly be. 1000 00:36:29,054 --> 00:36:31,922 But at the same time, keep in mind that this woman 1001 00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:35,125 has been manipulating you this entire time. 1002 00:36:35,194 --> 00:36:36,526 - Yeah. 1003 00:36:36,595 --> 00:36:39,196 - But I just wanna know from you 1004 00:36:39,264 --> 00:36:41,464 where you stand currently, knowing what you know, 1005 00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:43,633 because I'm gonna have your back 1006 00:36:43,702 --> 00:36:45,402 whichever way it is that you wanna go. 1007 00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:47,370 So if you think that you wanna, like, 1008 00:36:47,439 --> 00:36:49,306 maintain something with this person, 1009 00:36:49,374 --> 00:36:51,875 then I will go that route, 1010 00:36:51,944 --> 00:36:53,977 but if you think that this is it, 1011 00:36:54,046 --> 00:36:55,812 and you wanna just tell her how you feel about everything 1012 00:36:55,881 --> 00:36:59,115 and move on with your life, I'm here. 1013 00:36:59,184 --> 00:37:00,684 - [sighs] 1014 00:37:02,521 --> 00:37:03,486 - So let's see if we can get them 1015 00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:05,355 back into the Zoom. - Okay. 1016 00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:08,592 Why don't you guys jump back into the Zoom?" 1017 00:37:10,095 --> 00:37:11,294 [computer chimes] 1018 00:37:11,363 --> 00:37:12,896 Oh, there's-- okay, there's Kamie. 1019 00:37:12,965 --> 00:37:14,664 Okay. All right, we're all back. 1020 00:37:14,733 --> 00:37:18,235 Why don't you guys talk without us for a minute? 1021 00:37:18,303 --> 00:37:20,070 Because I feel like maybe it'll be easier 1022 00:37:20,138 --> 00:37:22,038 for you guys to talk if it's just you two. 1023 00:37:22,107 --> 00:37:23,273 Is that cool? 1024 00:37:23,342 --> 00:37:24,407 Would you guys be okay with that? 1025 00:37:24,476 --> 00:37:26,142 - Yeah. - Okay, mm-hmm. 1026 00:37:26,211 --> 00:37:28,645 [suspenseful music] 1027 00:37:28,714 --> 00:37:30,981 - I still feel like you took advantage of me. 1028 00:37:32,317 --> 00:37:35,452 - Okay, why can't you look up? 1029 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,687 Look up, girl, like-- [laughs] 1030 00:37:37,756 --> 00:37:39,689 why you can't--okay, look up. 1031 00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:41,491 Now, what was you saying? 1032 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,126 - I feel like you playing mind games. 1033 00:37:43,195 --> 00:37:45,195 Like, you used to block me. You just-- 1034 00:37:45,264 --> 00:37:47,163 - But you know why I blo-- 1035 00:37:47,232 --> 00:37:48,865 - Like, we'd be talking, and then you block me. 1036 00:37:48,934 --> 00:37:51,201 I used to be like, "What the [bleep] is going on?" 1037 00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:53,903 - Don't say like I blocked you just because. 1038 00:37:53,972 --> 00:37:55,238 - You're just so defensive, 1039 00:37:55,307 --> 00:37:57,340 but I'm telling you what it-- - I'm not. 1040 00:37:57,409 --> 00:37:58,775 I'm not defensive. - You're just so defensive. 1041 00:37:58,844 --> 00:38:00,477 Yes, you are. 1042 00:38:00,545 --> 00:38:03,580 I just feel like I really came into the situation 1043 00:38:03,649 --> 00:38:08,918 so vulnerable and so me and so true, 1044 00:38:08,987 --> 00:38:11,621 so this [bleep] just kinda... 1045 00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:12,989 it hurts. 1046 00:38:13,058 --> 00:38:14,257 I used to tell you every day, like, 1047 00:38:14,326 --> 00:38:15,859 "Okay, well, we can be friends. 1048 00:38:15,927 --> 00:38:20,196 If you not the girl, I'm cool. Like, we can be friends." 1049 00:38:20,265 --> 00:38:22,532 So I don't understand why you just never was like, 1050 00:38:22,601 --> 00:38:24,000 "Damn, okay." 1051 00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:25,902 - You know, I didn't want to lo-- 1052 00:38:25,971 --> 00:38:27,937 I didn't want to lose you, girl. 1053 00:38:28,006 --> 00:38:30,006 ♪ ♪ 1054 00:38:30,075 --> 00:38:31,408 Tam... 1055 00:38:31,476 --> 00:38:34,210 you need to let that [bleep] go. 1056 00:38:34,279 --> 00:38:36,680 - I guess you got it all figured out. 1057 00:38:36,748 --> 00:38:37,747 - So what you wanna do? 1058 00:38:37,816 --> 00:38:39,449 - For as far as dating 1059 00:38:39,518 --> 00:38:42,552 and all this [bleep], I just need to chill on that... 1060 00:38:46,758 --> 00:38:49,059 You got anything else you wanna say? 1061 00:38:49,127 --> 00:38:51,628 - Yeah, I love you. 1062 00:38:54,433 --> 00:38:56,599 Okay? 1063 00:39:00,038 --> 00:39:02,539 So you ain't gonna say it back? 1064 00:39:05,577 --> 00:39:07,744 So you really just gonna sit up here 1065 00:39:07,813 --> 00:39:10,146 and not even say nothing back? 1066 00:39:10,215 --> 00:39:13,416 - I feel like I've said everything I can say. 1067 00:39:13,485 --> 00:39:14,584 - Okay. All right. 1068 00:39:14,653 --> 00:39:15,752 - I'm fixin' to get off of here. 1069 00:39:15,821 --> 00:39:17,854 - Go ahead. [chuckles] 1070 00:39:17,923 --> 00:39:19,422 [line trilling] 1071 00:39:19,491 --> 00:39:22,392 - ♪ What height is the ceiling this time? ♪ 1072 00:39:23,895 --> 00:39:25,261 - Hey, Nev. 1073 00:39:27,332 --> 00:39:28,665 - Yeah, that's cool. 1074 00:39:29,468 --> 00:39:30,633 - Bye. 1075 00:39:30,702 --> 00:39:32,001 [somber music] 1076 00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:34,904 - ♪ My eyes are open so wide ♪ 1077 00:39:34,973 --> 00:39:36,373 ♪ ♪ 1078 00:39:36,441 --> 00:39:38,641 ♪ Prove that it's more than I think ♪ 1079 00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:39,776 - Hey. - Hey. 1080 00:39:39,845 --> 00:39:40,844 - Hey, everybody. 1081 00:39:40,912 --> 00:39:42,379 - Do you feel like you... 1082 00:39:42,447 --> 00:39:45,515 came to some kind of conclusion? 1083 00:39:45,584 --> 00:39:48,551 - She want everything to just be back how it was, 1084 00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:50,353 and it can't ever be like that. 1085 00:39:50,422 --> 00:39:52,655 - Mena, I don't know if you feel like you're... 1086 00:39:52,724 --> 00:39:53,890 finally ready to stop doing this. 1087 00:39:53,959 --> 00:39:55,258 - Yeah, yeah. - I know it's been ten years. 1088 00:39:55,327 --> 00:39:56,459 - I'm over it. 1089 00:39:56,528 --> 00:39:58,294 - Okay, well, I hope that's true. 1090 00:39:58,363 --> 00:39:59,996 I think you understand that not a lot of good 1091 00:40:00,065 --> 00:40:01,431 really comes out of this, 1092 00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:03,166 for you or anyone. - No. 1093 00:40:03,235 --> 00:40:05,468 I totally understand. 1094 00:40:05,537 --> 00:40:08,438 - All right, well, then I think we'll say goodbye. 1095 00:40:08,507 --> 00:40:10,974 - All right. Bye. 1096 00:40:11,042 --> 00:40:12,709 - Bye. 1097 00:40:15,547 --> 00:40:17,680 - Well, I'm very proud of you 1098 00:40:17,749 --> 00:40:19,983 for how you stood up for yourself. 1099 00:40:20,051 --> 00:40:21,618 - Thank you. - Look. 1100 00:40:21,686 --> 00:40:23,686 You're amazing, Tam. All right, we love you. 1101 00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:26,089 - I appreciate y'all. Y'all was amazing. 1102 00:40:26,158 --> 00:40:27,056 - Aww... - Thanks, Tam. 1103 00:40:27,125 --> 00:40:28,258 - Thank you, Tam. 1104 00:40:28,326 --> 00:40:29,793 - Bye-bye. - Bye. 1105 00:40:29,861 --> 00:40:33,229 [singer vocalizing] 1106 00:40:33,298 --> 00:40:34,297 ♪ ♪ 1107 00:40:34,366 --> 00:40:41,237 - ♪ I'll go where I am led ♪ 1108 00:40:41,306 --> 00:40:48,478 ♪ ♪ 1109 00:40:48,947 --> 00:40:51,448 ♪ Who will I love in the end? ♪ 1110 00:40:51,516 --> 00:40:53,183 [upbeat techno music] 1111 00:40:53,251 --> 00:40:54,484 - Ten years ago, Paul met Caitea. 1112 00:40:54,553 --> 00:40:55,919 They planned to move in together. 1113 00:40:55,987 --> 00:40:58,788 But on the day of the move, she stood him up. 1114 00:40:58,857 --> 00:41:00,790 - Ten years later, and I'm still thinking about her. 1115 00:41:00,859 --> 00:41:03,226 - He's not over Caitea. He's not over her. 1116 00:41:03,295 --> 00:41:05,228 - Whoa! "Caitea [bleep] is a catfish." 1117 00:41:05,297 --> 00:41:06,796 - [gasps] [cell phone chimes] 1118 00:41:06,865 --> 00:41:08,565 - Caitea just texted me "What's the Zoom link?" 1119 00:41:08,633 --> 00:41:10,266 - Oh, [bleep]. - I'm literally shaking. 1120 00:41:10,335 --> 00:41:11,534 [Zoom bell chimes]