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- Hey, everyone.
Nev here.
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As you can see,
I am back at home,
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and we're filming
remotely again.
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We were back in the office,
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and we did an episode
in person with Kamie,
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and it was so great.
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- ♪ Keep on, keep on ♪
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♪ Keep on, keep on movin' ♪
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- But we're not allowed to hug!
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We can, like, foot bump.
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[cork pops]
- Hey!
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We're officially
in each other's bubbles.
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- Now I have a barrier
if I want to punch you.
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- But unfortunately, there was
a spike in COVID cases,
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and in an effort to keep
everyone safe and healthy,
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we're going back
to remote episodes.
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But that doesn't mean
we can't have some fun.
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So let's get Kamie,
and let's catch some catfish.
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[dramatic musical sting]
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[birds chirping]
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- ♪ Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh ♪
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♪ Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh ♪
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- All right.
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Let's see what Kamie is doing.
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- ♪ Are you ready? ♪
- ♪ Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh ♪
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- ♪ Are you ready? ♪
- ♪ Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh ♪
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- ♪ Are you ready? ♪
- ♪ Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh ♪
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- ♪ Are you ready for it? ♪
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- Oh!
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- I feel like we should be
wearing pajamas right now
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since it's nighttime.
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- Uh...
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full pajamas.
- [gasps]
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Cozy vibes.
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We're on the night shift.
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- Cozy AF.
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There's so many catfish
out there,
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we're working round the clock.
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- I feel like Santa's elves.
- Exactly.
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All right, we got work to do.
Let's just jump into it.
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All right, here we g--
oh, we got an email.
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"Help me shed some light
on this relationship."
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You ready for this?
- No.
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- "Hi, Nev and Kamie.
My name is Tam.
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"I live in Houston, Texas.
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I'm 27, and I live
with my older sister, Tay."
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Tam and Tay.
- Aww.
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- "I'm writing
because she's convinced
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I'm being catfished."
- Oh.
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- "And I recently
started to think
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she might be right."
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[upbeat electronic music]
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"I met a woman named Jamena
about two years ago
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in August of 2018
on Plenty of Fish."
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"I was living in Prairie View,
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"and she was 45 minutes away
in Houston.
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"We connected immediately
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"and ended up being together
for six months.
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"During that time,
I tried to meet up with her,
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but she would always ghost me."
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"I couldn't get past that,
so I ended things."
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Smart!
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"Jamena was furious
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"and blocked me on everything.
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"I wanted to move on,
but no matter what I did,
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"I couldn't forget her.
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"A little while ago,
I begged my sister
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to message Jamena for me."
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"All my accounts were blocked,
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"so this was the only way
I could contact her.
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"Tay finally agreed,
and when she reached out,
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Jamena said we could talk."
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"Things seemed
to be going well until...
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"I recently got an anonymous
text message from someone
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"claiming to be
Jamena's girlfriend.
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"She said I needed
to back off from Jamena,
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or she'd beat me up."
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- [gasps]
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- "I thought Jamena
was the love of my life,
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"but now, I don't know
what to believe.
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"I need serious help.
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Thank you, Tam."
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Wow, let's get
a little bit more information.
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"Hey, Tam.
It's Nev.
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"Just read your email.
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Oh, boy.
We gotta talk."
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- If you get a text
from someone saying,
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"Stop talking to so-and-so
or I'm gonna beat your ass,"
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I think it's safe to say
you should stop talking to them
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so they don't come
beat your ass.
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- At the very least, it means,
"That's not your girlfriend
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if she's [bleep]
talking to me."
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[computer chimes]
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Hey!
- Hey!
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- Hey.
- What's up, Tam?
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- Hey, what's up?
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- Damn, Tam!
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Got that chain,
you got the baby hairs on.
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- [chuckles]
- Got the lashes.
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- I feel like that's all you
that's popping.
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- Oh, thank you.
Oh, you're talking
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to me or Kamie?
- No, not you.
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- I was--both of y'all popping.
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Both of y'all popping.
- [laughs]
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- The only thing
that's popping about me
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is the fact that I'm a pop.
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I'm a dad.
That's about it.
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- [chuckles]
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- Well, obviously,
we got your email,
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and we're not really sure
what to make of all of it.
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Can you just kind of take us
back to the beginning?
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- Okay, I had just got out
of a six-year relationship.
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- Whoa.
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- I was living
in a small college town
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named Prairie View.
It was boring.
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So all my friends was like,
you know,
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"Try to start dating again,"
so I got on POF,
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and I just happened
to run across her profile.
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I thought she was cute,
and I just did
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the little "hey there" thing.
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Yeah.
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And she wrote me back,
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and we was just talking
and whatever,
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and then she got me her number.
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But when she first
gave me her number,
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she was kind of mean.
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'Cause at the time,
my phone was,
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like, messed up completely,
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so I was actually texting her
from the Text Free app,
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and she was coming at me
out of pocket, like,
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"Why you texting me
off this fake stuff?
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I don't do the fake stuff."
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- She thought
you were a catfish.
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- Yeah, and she was like,
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"Uh, we must FaceTime."
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- So did you FaceTime?
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[suspenseful music]
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- She did used to try
to FaceTime me.
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[phone rings]
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But I didn't used to answer.
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- Oh, my God!
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- I was just--I was so nervous.
She obvious--
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- Tam, you sound like
the catfish right now.
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Honestly.
- [laughs]
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- "I was so nervous,
I didn't know what to say."
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- "I had that Text Free app,
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and I didn't wanna
answer FaceTime..."
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- Did your car break down?
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- No, I eventually tried
to FaceTime her,
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but she didn't answer.
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- Interesting.
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Well, what do you know
about Jamena?
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- She said she was
a registered nurse,
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and she said she did
real estate on the side,
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and she said she had two kids.
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She told me about her sister,
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and she told me
she had a brother.
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- Were you able to see
any of them on social media?
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- No.
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I did ask her about, like,
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social media,
but she was saying, like,
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"Oh, me and my best friend
were doing, like,
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"this social media cleanse
where we're not
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getting on our social media,"
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and at that time,
it was cool with me
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because when we talked
on the phone,
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we ended up just, like,
instantly clicking.
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Like, we ended up
falling asleep on the phone
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from the first day.
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Literally, we used to say
we was on the phone
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eight hours, ten hours.
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I could talk to her
about anything.
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We was just there
for each other.
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- ♪ It is a time
of stillness ♪
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- So we were instantly, like,
became soulmates, like...
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- Mm...
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- And I feel like
she helped me too
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with, like, my sexuality.
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Even though my ex was a girl,
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we didn't even hold hands
in public.
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That's not something that
I was just very open, like...
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but with Jamena, I always
used to tell her, like,
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"I feel safe in your energy."
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So that was really what
attracted me to her.
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Like, I felt like
I could be myself.
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- Right.
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- Were you saying "I love you"
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and stuff like that?
- Yeah.
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I don't know who said it fir--
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no, I said it first.
I ain't gonna lie.
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I really miss it.
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- ♪ And nothing ends ♪
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- So things with Jamena
were going really well,
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and you guys were very close,
so after a while,
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you must have felt like
it was time to meet up, right?
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I mean,
'cause you don't even live
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that far away from each other.
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- Yeah, I tried to meet her
more than a few times.
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The first time, she was like,
"Okay, I'm on my way."
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I sent her my location
and everything,
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and then all of the sudden,
I ain't heard from her.
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And I was calling her,
and she said
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she had gotten
into a car accident.
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[chuckles]
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- Tam.
- I know.
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And that's when my sister
was like,
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"Catfish, catfish."
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And then one time,
she really embarrassed me,
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and I felt like that was
kinda, like, the last straw.
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It was about to be
PV homecoming.
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That was, like, gonna be
my first year as an alumni.
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So me and my sister,
we was coming to Houston,
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and we was planning on
trying to see
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what hotels was available,
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but Jamena was like,
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"Why y'all don't just stay
at my house?
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Y'all can stay at my house."
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So she texts me her address,
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and when we get there,
she was like,
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"Okay, I fixin'
to open up the gate,"
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and then
I ain't heard from her.
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- And then just nothing?
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- Yeah.
- Wow.
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- And then my sister was like,
"Well, let's just go."
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So then Jamena, she tried
to flip it on me and be like,
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"You wasn't outside,
you was playing,
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"you was lying,
you was trying to be sneaky.
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You was not outside.
I've been calling you."
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- That's insane.
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- So after that,
I was so embarrassed,
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I just stopped talking to her.
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But I used to always
think about her, like...
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[solemn music]
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We connected
on a deeper level.
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We could talk to each other,
like,
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about everything
under the sun,
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and I really miss that.
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I used to try to find her
for a while,
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but she had me blocked still.
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So that's when I gave it
to my sister, and I was like,
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"Text this and see if it work."
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And she texted it,
and that's when she was like,
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"My sister wanna talk to you.
She say she miss you."
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She was like, "All right,
you can tell her to text me,"
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and then we just started
talking on the phone,
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and it was just like old time.
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Every day, we texted each other
and talked to each other,
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and I really enjoyed that
'cause that's what I missed.
249
00:08:48,529 --> 00:08:49,628
- Wow.
250
00:08:49,696 --> 00:08:50,829
So can we see
what she looks like?
251
00:08:50,898 --> 00:08:52,297
- Yeah.
252
00:08:52,366 --> 00:08:53,598
Okay.
253
00:08:53,667 --> 00:08:54,833
- Well, she's cute.
254
00:08:54,902 --> 00:08:57,002
- Yeah.
- Yeah, she is cute.
255
00:08:57,070 --> 00:08:58,603
- Same girl.
256
00:08:58,672 --> 00:09:00,205
- Can we see some
of the messages between you,
257
00:09:00,274 --> 00:09:02,440
just to get a sense of what
the conversations are like?
258
00:09:02,509 --> 00:09:03,842
- [sighs]
I--
259
00:09:03,911 --> 00:09:05,844
we talked a lot, so...
- Wow!
260
00:09:05,913 --> 00:09:08,446
- Yeah, this is a lot of...
- Yeah.
261
00:09:08,515 --> 00:09:09,915
- I'm gonna read you
this text message
262
00:09:09,983 --> 00:09:12,484
that I feel like
was very sweet.
263
00:09:12,553 --> 00:09:14,719
Okay, this--this is long.
- Oh, wow.
264
00:09:14,788 --> 00:09:17,522
- All right, so she said,
"So I love you...
265
00:09:17,591 --> 00:09:19,558
"because you're super cool,
funny, outgoing,
266
00:09:19,626 --> 00:09:20,992
"talkative like me,
but I feel like
267
00:09:21,061 --> 00:09:22,928
"I can tell you
any and everything.
268
00:09:22,996 --> 00:09:25,363
"You have such a beautiful soul
inside and out.
269
00:09:25,432 --> 00:09:26,998
"Your personality
is super dope.
270
00:09:27,067 --> 00:09:28,266
"I love you
because I can always
271
00:09:28,335 --> 00:09:29,267
"count on you no matter what.
272
00:09:29,336 --> 00:09:30,802
"I know I act like a bitch,
273
00:09:30,871 --> 00:09:32,504
"but, Tam, I love you for real,
274
00:09:32,573 --> 00:09:34,439
"and I never want you
out of my life.
275
00:09:34,508 --> 00:09:35,373
"I think this is
the true meaning
276
00:09:35,442 --> 00:09:36,541
"of lifetime partners.
277
00:09:36,610 --> 00:09:39,411
You are my better half."
Oh, wow.
278
00:09:39,479 --> 00:09:40,812
- [sighs]
279
00:09:40,881 --> 00:09:43,214
- I mean, that's, like,
one of the more sincere,
280
00:09:43,283 --> 00:09:45,750
meaningful messages
I think I've ever read.
281
00:09:45,819 --> 00:09:48,053
- You guys are
really into each other.
282
00:09:49,022 --> 00:09:50,322
- Makes me feel bad.
about the messagesh.
283
00:09:50,390 --> 00:09:53,224
I send my wife.
I gotta step up my game.
284
00:09:53,293 --> 00:09:55,493
I mean, have you ever talked
to someone like this before?
285
00:09:55,562 --> 00:09:58,296
- No, I never felt like that.
Ever.
286
00:09:58,365 --> 00:10:01,499
- This is the person that
you feel the most safe with.
287
00:10:01,568 --> 00:10:04,336
Are you willing to risk that?
288
00:10:04,404 --> 00:10:05,804
- I feel like...
289
00:10:05,872 --> 00:10:07,739
I need to know, 'cause...
290
00:10:07,808 --> 00:10:09,874
if not, then I'm just
wasting my time.
291
00:10:09,943 --> 00:10:11,242
- Mm-hmm.
292
00:10:11,311 --> 00:10:12,777
- So we need to do
some research, obviously.
293
00:10:12,846 --> 00:10:14,579
Send us any other things
that you've got,
294
00:10:14,648 --> 00:10:16,314
and first thing in the morning,
we'll jump in,
295
00:10:16,383 --> 00:10:17,449
and we'll see what we can find.
296
00:10:17,517 --> 00:10:18,650
- All right, then, good luck.
297
00:10:18,719 --> 00:10:20,151
- All right, Tam.
We'll talk tomorrow.
298
00:10:20,220 --> 00:10:21,119
- Right.
- All right, bye.
299
00:10:21,188 --> 00:10:22,520
- Bye.
300
00:10:22,589 --> 00:10:24,723
Man.
- Wow.
301
00:10:24,791 --> 00:10:27,492
- She is head-over-heels
for this girl
302
00:10:27,561 --> 00:10:30,295
and I am emotionally invested.
303
00:10:30,364 --> 00:10:31,730
- I know.
304
00:10:31,798 --> 00:10:34,032
I just don't get--
'cause Jamena seems so great,
305
00:10:34,101 --> 00:10:37,402
but then why did she also
get so shady and stand Tam up?
306
00:10:37,471 --> 00:10:39,971
- After reading those messages,
I feel like this could be
307
00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,307
the making of
a beautiful love story.
308
00:10:42,376 --> 00:10:44,242
I need this to be real!
309
00:10:44,311 --> 00:10:45,710
This has to end well.
310
00:10:47,881 --> 00:10:50,048
- "Y'all ready for this?"
311
00:10:50,117 --> 00:10:52,050
[computer chimes]
- Behold.
312
00:10:52,119 --> 00:10:54,686
The most glorious
breakfast sandwich.
313
00:10:54,755 --> 00:10:56,021
- Whoa...
314
00:10:56,089 --> 00:10:57,689
- If you were here,
I have a whole other half
315
00:10:57,758 --> 00:10:58,757
you could've had.
316
00:10:58,825 --> 00:10:59,758
- If you're not gonna eat that,
317
00:10:59,826 --> 00:11:01,092
send that over to me, okay?
318
00:11:01,161 --> 00:11:02,861
'Cause if we can't be together,
319
00:11:02,929 --> 00:11:05,397
at least let's share
a sandwich remotely.
320
00:11:05,465 --> 00:11:06,931
- That's really nice.
- And you know what?
321
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,299
I'll send something
over to you.
322
00:11:08,368 --> 00:11:09,367
What about this?
323
00:11:10,303 --> 00:11:12,704
Willy Wonka-style
Itchocolate bar.ant
324
00:11:12,773 --> 00:11:14,005
- Oh, that does look like
it came
325
00:11:14,074 --> 00:11:15,874
from Willy Wonka's
chocolate factory.
326
00:11:15,942 --> 00:11:16,908
- I'm gonna go put this--
- I'm so excited.
327
00:11:16,977 --> 00:11:17,909
- For you. Okay.
- Okay.
328
00:11:17,978 --> 00:11:19,277
- Setting it outside,
329
00:11:19,346 --> 00:11:22,113
and I did not touch
this half of the sandwich.
330
00:11:22,182 --> 00:11:24,582
- I'm gonna leave it here
to get picked up.
331
00:11:24,651 --> 00:11:26,317
Right there.
332
00:11:27,087 --> 00:11:30,422
Your chocolate
is awaiting its courier.
333
00:11:30,490 --> 00:11:36,161
- Sandwich is cozy, confident,
and ready for devouring.
334
00:11:36,229 --> 00:11:39,030
- All right,
so Tam met Jamena on POF
335
00:11:39,099 --> 00:11:41,700
a little over two years ago.
336
00:11:41,768 --> 00:11:43,501
They fell in love hard.
337
00:11:43,570 --> 00:11:45,203
There was
obviously some red flags.
338
00:11:45,272 --> 00:11:48,940
Eventually, they broke it off
because Tam had enough.
339
00:11:49,009 --> 00:11:51,176
So then they stopped talking
for, like, almost a year.
340
00:11:51,244 --> 00:11:53,878
But Tam can't stop thinking
about her.
341
00:11:53,947 --> 00:11:56,815
Long story short,
they are talking again,
342
00:11:56,883 --> 00:11:59,284
and when I say,
"I don't think I've ever seen
343
00:11:59,352 --> 00:12:03,488
this level of emotional
connection in messages,"
344
00:12:03,557 --> 00:12:04,856
I--ever.
345
00:12:04,925 --> 00:12:07,959
- So, like, I remember
writing things like that
346
00:12:08,028 --> 00:12:09,694
to my middle school crush.
[laughs]
347
00:12:09,763 --> 00:12:10,862
But, like, that's, like,
348
00:12:10,931 --> 00:12:12,931
the last time I remember...
- Right.
349
00:12:12,999 --> 00:12:16,067
- Really pouring my heart out.
Oh, my God.
350
00:12:16,136 --> 00:12:18,436
- We gotta figure out
if this Jamena girl...
351
00:12:18,505 --> 00:12:20,739
Jamena's business.
352
00:12:20,807 --> 00:12:22,974
Anyway, we do have
an email from Tam.
353
00:12:23,043 --> 00:12:24,375
She says, "I'm gonna be honest.
354
00:12:24,444 --> 00:12:27,378
"I've been so nervous
since we finished talking,
355
00:12:27,447 --> 00:12:29,748
"and I really hope
Jamena is real.
356
00:12:29,816 --> 00:12:31,216
"Here's the stuff I have
about her.
357
00:12:31,284 --> 00:12:33,852
"I don't remember
what her POF user name was.
358
00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,387
"Her phone number
is a 404 number.
359
00:12:36,456 --> 00:12:39,991
"Jamena is a nurse in Houston,
and she has two kids.
360
00:12:40,060 --> 00:12:42,594
"I found a Facebook page,
but it's from 2011.
361
00:12:42,662 --> 00:12:44,362
"The URL is Jamena Smith.
362
00:12:44,431 --> 00:12:46,931
"The number for the girl
that texted me
363
00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,901
saying I needed to back off
is a 314."
364
00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:51,669
- Oh, right,
we never asked her about that.
365
00:12:51,738 --> 00:12:53,071
We need to look up that number.
366
00:12:53,140 --> 00:12:55,206
- Yeah, I mean,
we got some real stuff here.
367
00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:57,675
"I'm sending some pictures
of Jamena.
368
00:12:57,744 --> 00:13:00,311
If you need something that
I forgot, just let me know."
369
00:13:00,380 --> 00:13:03,214
- I mean, I feel like there's
quite a bit to go off of.
370
00:13:03,283 --> 00:13:04,983
- I kinda want to start
with an image search.
371
00:13:05,051 --> 00:13:06,651
All right, so let's see
if this picture...
372
00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,920
searching...we got nothing.
373
00:13:08,989 --> 00:13:10,388
Here's another one.
374
00:13:10,457 --> 00:13:12,991
But no, no hit on that.
375
00:13:13,059 --> 00:13:15,693
No. Oh, okay.
So nothing on the images.
376
00:13:15,762 --> 00:13:16,928
- Should we just search
the name?
377
00:13:16,997 --> 00:13:18,897
- All right,
so here's Facebook.
378
00:13:18,965 --> 00:13:20,799
Jamena Smith.
379
00:13:20,867 --> 00:13:23,101
- The first one says
"RN, I am a nurse."
380
00:13:23,170 --> 00:13:24,469
- What?
You're right.
381
00:13:24,538 --> 00:13:26,371
[suspenseful music]
382
00:13:26,439 --> 00:13:27,939
- Doesn't that kinda
look like her?
383
00:13:28,008 --> 00:13:29,507
- I don't think so.
384
00:13:29,576 --> 00:13:31,142
Let's see.
385
00:13:31,211 --> 00:13:33,812
- Yeah! Look at the tattoo!
The tattoo on the wrist!
386
00:13:34,848 --> 00:13:35,980
- What the [bleep]?
387
00:13:36,049 --> 00:13:37,749
This is her?
- Yeah!
388
00:13:37,818 --> 00:13:39,250
- You're right!
She has the tattoo.
389
00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:40,585
I don't know--
how did you just--
390
00:13:40,654 --> 00:13:42,587
- Is this the Facebook
that Tam was talking about?
391
00:13:42,656 --> 00:13:44,155
- No...it's not.
392
00:13:44,224 --> 00:13:46,491
Let's just see the page
that she sent us.
393
00:13:48,028 --> 00:13:50,028
This is a different Facebook.
394
00:13:50,096 --> 00:13:53,531
Kamie, did we just find
her new Facebook page?
395
00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,200
Oh, but this is old.
396
00:13:55,268 --> 00:13:58,236
This photo was from 2011. Huh.
397
00:13:58,305 --> 00:14:00,972
So I guess she just had
two Facebooks.
398
00:14:01,041 --> 00:14:03,007
- Should we just
run the numbers?
399
00:14:03,076 --> 00:14:04,142
- Here we go.
400
00:14:04,211 --> 00:14:06,511
Searching Jamena's
phone number.
401
00:14:07,414 --> 00:14:09,581
Daniel Wolf?
- Daniel Wolf?
402
00:14:09,649 --> 00:14:10,782
- That's...pretty weird.
403
00:14:10,851 --> 00:14:12,584
- Tam's definitely not
talking to a guy.
404
00:14:12,652 --> 00:14:14,619
She would know that
after hours and hours
405
00:14:14,688 --> 00:14:15,954
of phone conversations.
406
00:14:16,022 --> 00:14:18,423
- Maybe this is a previous
owner of the phone.
407
00:14:18,491 --> 00:14:21,926
- What about the number
that texted Tam
408
00:14:21,995 --> 00:14:23,127
telling her to back off?
409
00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:25,063
- Let's do that.
Now let's see.
410
00:14:25,131 --> 00:14:26,798
Phone search...
411
00:14:26,867 --> 00:14:30,235
♪ ♪
412
00:14:30,303 --> 00:14:33,605
Dreah Taylor.
Wow.
413
00:14:33,673 --> 00:14:36,307
There's no age info, though.
414
00:14:36,376 --> 00:14:38,610
Hold on, let's search that name
on Facebook.
415
00:14:38,678 --> 00:14:41,145
[keyboard clacking]
416
00:14:41,214 --> 00:14:42,947
Okay. Dreah Taylor.
417
00:14:43,016 --> 00:14:45,817
- Maybe we could find
if she's friends
418
00:14:45,886 --> 00:14:48,319
with one of
the Jamena Smith pages.
419
00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,755
Then that can determine
whether or not she knows her?
420
00:14:50,824 --> 00:14:53,191
- Right, if this girl texted
on behalf of Jamena,
421
00:14:53,260 --> 00:14:55,293
then she should be friends
with Jamena, right?
422
00:14:55,362 --> 00:14:57,328
No Jamena Smith.
423
00:14:57,397 --> 00:15:00,565
But there is a Jamena [bleep].
424
00:15:00,634 --> 00:15:02,634
Okay.
Who is this?
425
00:15:02,702 --> 00:15:04,869
She's got two daughters.
426
00:15:04,938 --> 00:15:07,105
And look under her name...
427
00:15:07,173 --> 00:15:09,107
there's even, like,
a little hospital emoji.
428
00:15:09,175 --> 00:15:10,808
She--isn't she supposed
to be a nurse?
429
00:15:10,877 --> 00:15:12,810
- Let's go through
her pictures.
430
00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:15,046
You see that at the top.
431
00:15:15,115 --> 00:15:16,347
That looks like
she's definitely
432
00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:18,616
in a medical facility.
- Oh, yeah, for sure.
433
00:15:18,685 --> 00:15:20,985
In her scrubs again.
434
00:15:21,054 --> 00:15:22,587
So could this be her?
435
00:15:22,656 --> 00:15:25,056
It's a Jamena,
does have two daughters,
436
00:15:25,125 --> 00:15:27,091
and works at a hospital.
437
00:15:28,962 --> 00:15:30,662
- She's single.
438
00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:33,498
- It's definitely possible
that this could be our girl,
439
00:15:33,566 --> 00:15:35,633
just with
a different last name.
440
00:15:35,702 --> 00:15:38,069
Well, I think
we gotta message Dreah.
441
00:15:38,138 --> 00:15:40,939
Maybe she can give us
some info.
442
00:15:41,007 --> 00:15:45,009
"We are hoping
you could help us."
443
00:15:45,078 --> 00:15:46,411
All right, I sent it.
444
00:15:46,479 --> 00:15:48,746
- Did we do a Google search
for Jamena Smith?
445
00:15:48,815 --> 00:15:49,781
- No.
446
00:15:49,849 --> 00:15:51,683
Jamena Smith.
447
00:15:53,486 --> 00:15:54,719
Plenty of Fish.
- "Plenty of Fish review:
448
00:15:54,788 --> 00:15:56,788
impersonation to file report"!
449
00:15:56,856 --> 00:15:57,989
- Whoa.
450
00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:01,392
- Oh...no...
- Whoa. Wait a second.
451
00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:03,127
"Okay, someone by the name
of Jamena Smith
452
00:16:03,196 --> 00:16:04,262
"keeps contacting
different women
453
00:16:04,331 --> 00:16:05,863
"using my pictures.
She won't stop.
454
00:16:05,932 --> 00:16:07,899
It's a fake account."
455
00:16:07,968 --> 00:16:09,567
Whoa...
456
00:16:09,636 --> 00:16:11,502
- No...
457
00:16:11,571 --> 00:16:12,937
- The person
who made that complaint,
458
00:16:13,006 --> 00:16:16,274
dontplay[bleep],
let's look that up.
459
00:16:16,343 --> 00:16:18,209
So here's Plenty of Fish.
460
00:16:18,278 --> 00:16:20,111
We can search by user name.
461
00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:23,314
Dontplay[bleep].
462
00:16:24,384 --> 00:16:25,583
Dang.
463
00:16:25,652 --> 00:16:27,285
All right, so this is
obviously not great.
464
00:16:27,354 --> 00:16:29,420
It suggests that someone
465
00:16:29,489 --> 00:16:32,223
tried to report
the Plenty of Fish profile.
466
00:16:32,292 --> 00:16:34,292
Now I think we gotta
talk to Tam,
467
00:16:34,361 --> 00:16:36,260
take her through this,
see if any of this makes sense
468
00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:37,829
or rings any bells.
469
00:16:37,897 --> 00:16:40,231
- None of this is good news.
470
00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:44,135
I usually take the side
of "everyone is bull[bleep],"
471
00:16:44,204 --> 00:16:47,271
but this genuinely felt
real to me.
472
00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:49,640
Until I saw that
complaint website
473
00:16:49,709 --> 00:16:52,176
from Plenty of Fish,
I was still on Team Jamena;
474
00:16:52,245 --> 00:16:53,478
I had my T-shirt,
475
00:16:53,546 --> 00:16:55,146
and now I feel like
I have to burn it.
476
00:16:55,215 --> 00:16:57,582
That...really...
477
00:16:57,650 --> 00:16:58,583
made my heart sink.
478
00:16:58,651 --> 00:17:00,018
That's, like,
the worst possible thing
479
00:17:00,086 --> 00:17:01,219
that you can find.
480
00:17:01,287 --> 00:17:03,621
- It's not looking good.
481
00:17:05,325 --> 00:17:06,858
- I just received word that
482
00:17:06,926 --> 00:17:08,860
my chocolate bar
and your sandwich
483
00:17:08,928 --> 00:17:10,395
have been delivered.
- Oh!
484
00:17:10,463 --> 00:17:11,896
- I think
it's outside your door.
485
00:17:11,965 --> 00:17:13,731
- Allow me.
- And mine as well.
486
00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,433
- The only good news
of the day.
487
00:17:15,502 --> 00:17:16,467
- Yeah!
488
00:17:16,536 --> 00:17:18,903
- Here it comes.
489
00:17:18,972 --> 00:17:19,737
[upbeat music]
490
00:17:19,806 --> 00:17:21,305
Why does it feel so light?
491
00:17:21,374 --> 00:17:22,840
Feels very light.
492
00:17:22,909 --> 00:17:24,809
- Light?
493
00:17:24,878 --> 00:17:26,110
Sandwich is good.
494
00:17:28,615 --> 00:17:31,482
- You ass[bleep]!
495
00:17:31,551 --> 00:17:33,718
No!
- [laughing]
496
00:17:33,787 --> 00:17:35,753
- [laughing]
Oh, my God.
497
00:17:35,822 --> 00:17:37,722
- Mmm...
- Oh, I hate you.
498
00:17:37,791 --> 00:17:39,590
Oh, I hate you so much.
499
00:17:39,659 --> 00:17:41,192
- You got snack-fished.
500
00:17:41,261 --> 00:17:42,593
Boom!
501
00:17:42,662 --> 00:17:44,062
All right,
enough fun and games.
502
00:17:44,130 --> 00:17:46,130
We gotta get Tam in here
and talk to her
503
00:17:46,199 --> 00:17:47,432
and tell her what we found.
504
00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:48,766
- And that's even
more depressing
505
00:17:48,835 --> 00:17:51,936
than not getting my chocolate.
506
00:17:52,005 --> 00:17:53,438
- All right, well,
doesn't look
507
00:17:53,506 --> 00:17:57,208
like we have any proof
that Jamena is real.
508
00:17:57,277 --> 00:18:00,144
We have a couple things
that suggest she might not be.
509
00:18:00,213 --> 00:18:02,547
But we definitely don't have
what we wanted,
510
00:18:02,615 --> 00:18:05,216
which is
a beautiful love story.
511
00:18:05,285 --> 00:18:06,484
Yet.
512
00:18:06,553 --> 00:18:08,753
- We haven't found
the real Jamena
513
00:18:08,822 --> 00:18:10,988
in the pictures,
so there still is a chance,
514
00:18:11,057 --> 00:18:13,825
but it's just--
it's not looking good.
515
00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:16,394
It breaks my heart.
Tam's gonna be so disappointed.
516
00:18:16,463 --> 00:18:17,662
- Wait a second.
517
00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:21,032
She texted back and said
she's coming now.
518
00:18:22,135 --> 00:18:23,134
Whoa!
519
00:18:23,203 --> 00:18:24,335
- Hey!
- Hey.
520
00:18:24,404 --> 00:18:26,337
- Oh, wow.
521
00:18:26,406 --> 00:18:29,140
- Hey.
- A little hair switch.
522
00:18:30,376 --> 00:18:32,110
- How you feeling, Tam?
What's going on with you?
523
00:18:32,178 --> 00:18:33,478
- I'm nervous.
524
00:18:33,546 --> 00:18:35,580
Like, very nervous.
525
00:18:35,648 --> 00:18:37,181
I wanna know what y'all found.
526
00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:39,450
My mind all over the place,
to be honest.
527
00:18:39,519 --> 00:18:41,953
- Have you talked
to Jamena today?
528
00:18:42,021 --> 00:18:44,522
- Not today, but I talked
to her last night.
529
00:18:44,591 --> 00:18:45,923
We fell asleep on the phone.
530
00:18:45,992 --> 00:18:47,992
We was on the phone
for, like, six hours.
531
00:18:48,061 --> 00:18:49,927
- Wow, jeez.
532
00:18:49,996 --> 00:18:52,230
All right, well, look.
We found a couple things,
533
00:18:52,298 --> 00:18:55,133
maybe some of which
will make sense to you,
534
00:18:55,201 --> 00:18:56,801
but we wanna show you
what we found
535
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:58,402
so that we can figure out
what the next step should be.
536
00:18:58,471 --> 00:18:59,637
- Okay.
537
00:18:59,706 --> 00:19:01,672
- I'll share my screen
with you guys.
538
00:19:01,741 --> 00:19:03,074
All right,
so the first thing we did was,
539
00:19:03,143 --> 00:19:05,676
on Facebook, we did a search
for Jamena Smith.
540
00:19:05,745 --> 00:19:08,379
And the first profile
that came up here is this.
541
00:19:08,448 --> 00:19:11,582
This is not the same Facebook
page that you had found.
542
00:19:11,651 --> 00:19:13,351
This is different.
543
00:19:13,419 --> 00:19:15,019
You saw this one,
and this one seems
544
00:19:15,088 --> 00:19:16,487
to have very,
very little on it.
545
00:19:16,556 --> 00:19:19,457
The one that we found
at least has a little bit more.
546
00:19:19,526 --> 00:19:21,792
But it's definitely
the same girl.
547
00:19:21,861 --> 00:19:24,095
You can tell by the tattoo
on her arm.
548
00:19:25,298 --> 00:19:28,466
It looks like both pages
were last used in 2011.
549
00:19:28,535 --> 00:19:29,767
- Mm-hmm.
550
00:19:29,836 --> 00:19:31,235
- The one that we found,
this page was made,
551
00:19:31,304 --> 00:19:33,137
it was filled out,
some pictures were put up,
552
00:19:33,206 --> 00:19:36,507
and then it looks like it sat
and hasn't been used since.
553
00:19:36,576 --> 00:19:40,044
Says that she lived in Illinois
and that she's from Atlanta.
554
00:19:40,113 --> 00:19:41,546
- She told me she was
from Atlanta,
555
00:19:41,614 --> 00:19:44,148
but she never said nothing
about Illinois.
556
00:19:44,217 --> 00:19:46,017
- But it also says that
she was a registered nurse.
557
00:19:46,085 --> 00:19:49,820
So this looks like an account
that certainly was hers,
558
00:19:49,889 --> 00:19:52,623
but why so few friends?
Why so few posts?
559
00:19:52,692 --> 00:19:54,058
Why did they stop using it?
560
00:19:54,127 --> 00:19:55,560
And a lot of questions
this brings up.
561
00:19:55,628 --> 00:19:56,928
- Mm-kay.
562
00:19:56,996 --> 00:19:58,963
- But at the same time,
it also kind of confirms
563
00:19:59,032 --> 00:20:00,798
that maybe she is Jamena Smith.
564
00:20:00,867 --> 00:20:01,899
That's what she says
her name is,
565
00:20:01,968 --> 00:20:03,067
and these are pictures of her.
566
00:20:03,136 --> 00:20:05,102
So in a way,
it's also a good thing.
567
00:20:05,171 --> 00:20:07,338
The next thing we did,
we searched the number
568
00:20:07,407 --> 00:20:08,773
that you had for Jamena.
569
00:20:08,841 --> 00:20:10,541
The current phone number,
on one site,
570
00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:12,877
came back registered
to Daniel Wolf.
571
00:20:12,946 --> 00:20:15,179
Wasn't sure if that name
rang any bells for you.
572
00:20:15,248 --> 00:20:16,781
- No, I ain't never even
heard of that.
573
00:20:16,849 --> 00:20:18,583
- Sometimes the phone search
picks up people
574
00:20:18,651 --> 00:20:19,984
who maybe
had the number before.
575
00:20:20,053 --> 00:20:22,653
It doesn't really
necessarily mean anything
576
00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:23,988
one way or the other.
577
00:20:24,057 --> 00:20:26,224
So then we searched the number
578
00:20:26,292 --> 00:20:28,192
that sent you
the threatening text
579
00:20:28,261 --> 00:20:30,061
and came up with this.
580
00:20:30,129 --> 00:20:31,896
Dreah Taylor.
581
00:20:31,965 --> 00:20:34,065
Have you ever seen that name?
- Nuh-uh.
582
00:20:34,133 --> 00:20:36,434
- So we then went and looked
at Dreah's page,
583
00:20:36,502 --> 00:20:37,935
and I sent her this message.
584
00:20:38,004 --> 00:20:39,270
As you can see, I just said,
"Hey, I'm Nev
585
00:20:39,339 --> 00:20:41,405
"from the show 'Catfish,'
hoping you can help us.
586
00:20:41,474 --> 00:20:44,475
Call me," and I haven't
heard anything from her.
587
00:20:44,544 --> 00:20:46,010
More importantly, though,
588
00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:49,146
we searched Jamena
in Dreah's friends list...
589
00:20:49,215 --> 00:20:51,249
If this girl texted
on behalf of Jamena,
590
00:20:51,317 --> 00:20:53,651
then she should be friends
with Jamena.
591
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,753
It did come back with a hit,
592
00:20:55,822 --> 00:20:58,789
but this woman's name
is Jamena [bleep].
593
00:20:58,858 --> 00:21:01,792
She's got two daughters,
which also matches
594
00:21:01,861 --> 00:21:03,628
with what Jamena told you,
right?
595
00:21:03,696 --> 00:21:05,029
- Yeah.
- If you look
596
00:21:05,098 --> 00:21:07,865
in her little bio here,
it's got some emojis,
597
00:21:07,934 --> 00:21:09,967
one of which is a hospital.
598
00:21:10,036 --> 00:21:12,436
And there are photos of her
in her scrubs,
599
00:21:12,505 --> 00:21:15,273
which matches with her
potentially being a nurse.
600
00:21:15,341 --> 00:21:17,842
So this could be
who you're talking to.
601
00:21:17,910 --> 00:21:19,844
- That kinda creeping me out,
low-key,
602
00:21:19,912 --> 00:21:22,613
'cause the two kids
and the hospital,
603
00:21:22,682 --> 00:21:25,283
and the name...it's crazy.
604
00:21:25,351 --> 00:21:27,118
- Some things make sense,
a lot doesn't,
605
00:21:27,186 --> 00:21:29,620
and so we're not sure
what it all means.
606
00:21:29,689 --> 00:21:32,390
So after that,
we just did a basic search
607
00:21:32,458 --> 00:21:34,692
for Jamena Smith.
608
00:21:34,761 --> 00:21:37,128
And when we did that,
we got one hit.
609
00:21:37,196 --> 00:21:40,164
And it says, "Someone
by the name of Jamena Smith
610
00:21:40,233 --> 00:21:41,432
"keeps contacting
different women
611
00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:42,667
"using my pictures.
612
00:21:42,735 --> 00:21:44,869
She won't stop.
It's a fake account."
613
00:21:48,641 --> 00:21:50,808
[gentle acoustic guitar]
614
00:21:50,877 --> 00:21:54,779
- This is just making me
wanna just throw up.
615
00:21:54,847 --> 00:21:59,517
- ♪ Well, I'm so sorry ♪
616
00:21:59,585 --> 00:22:02,720
♪ That I wasted my time ♪
617
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:05,489
- It's just weird, but...
618
00:22:05,558 --> 00:22:09,193
I don't know.
It is what it is at this point.
619
00:22:09,262 --> 00:22:11,162
- All right, well, look,
right now, we're waiting
620
00:22:11,230 --> 00:22:13,230
to see if Dreah
gets back to us.
621
00:22:13,299 --> 00:22:14,732
But if we don't hear back
from Dreah,
622
00:22:14,801 --> 00:22:16,334
then the only thing left to do
623
00:22:16,402 --> 00:22:18,869
is just reach out directly
to Jamena.
624
00:22:18,938 --> 00:22:23,174
♪ ♪
625
00:22:25,211 --> 00:22:26,744
- I just feel like...
626
00:22:26,813 --> 00:22:27,845
a waste of time.
627
00:22:27,914 --> 00:22:29,547
A straight waste of time.
628
00:22:29,615 --> 00:22:31,449
[somber music]
629
00:22:31,517 --> 00:22:33,117
- All right, well, look, Tam,
we gotta figure out
630
00:22:33,186 --> 00:22:36,153
what we wanna do know
because obviously,
631
00:22:36,222 --> 00:22:39,623
the last piece of the puzzle
is figuring out
632
00:22:39,692 --> 00:22:41,892
who Jamena is,
633
00:22:41,961 --> 00:22:43,861
and maybe even
more importantly,
634
00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:46,297
finding out how she actually
feels about you.
635
00:22:46,366 --> 00:22:48,999
We're waiting to see
if Dreah gets back to us,
636
00:22:49,068 --> 00:22:50,568
but if we don't hear back
from Dreah,
637
00:22:50,636 --> 00:22:52,002
then the only thing left to do
638
00:22:52,071 --> 00:22:54,205
is just reach out directly
to Jamena
639
00:22:54,273 --> 00:22:56,240
and give her an opportunity
to explain herself.
640
00:22:56,309 --> 00:22:57,508
- Mm.
641
00:22:57,577 --> 00:22:58,709
- I feel like if I sent her
a message that said,
642
00:22:58,778 --> 00:23:01,011
"Hey, Tam reached out.
She wanted to meet you.
643
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,279
We've done some research.
644
00:23:02,348 --> 00:23:04,081
We know that you haven't
been totally honest."
645
00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:06,016
And just tell her,
"Look, you've got one chance
646
00:23:06,085 --> 00:23:08,419
"to try and explain this
to Tam,
647
00:23:08,488 --> 00:23:11,088
"and if you don't
take this opportunity,
648
00:23:11,157 --> 00:23:12,990
you're never gonna
hear from her again."
649
00:23:13,059 --> 00:23:14,325
- I don't even know
if you should give her,
650
00:23:14,394 --> 00:23:16,360
like, an easy way out
'cause she'll choose it.
651
00:23:16,429 --> 00:23:18,796
She's not gonna
hold herself accountable.
652
00:23:18,865 --> 00:23:19,864
I think you should
just be like,
653
00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:23,601
"This is Nev,
and we got Tam here.
654
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:24,769
Get on."
Like...
655
00:23:24,837 --> 00:23:28,606
- "I'm reaching out
on behalf of Tam
656
00:23:28,674 --> 00:23:34,245
in an effort to help her
finally meet you."
657
00:23:34,313 --> 00:23:36,981
- I don't think you should
even give her a inch.
658
00:23:37,049 --> 00:23:39,717
Like, just get in Zoom, like...
- All right.
659
00:23:39,786 --> 00:23:41,285
Says, "Hey, Jamena, this is Nev
from the show 'Catfish.'
660
00:23:41,354 --> 00:23:42,920
"I'm reaching out
on behalf of Tam
661
00:23:42,989 --> 00:23:44,221
"in an effort to help her
finally meet you.
662
00:23:44,290 --> 00:23:46,590
We are in a Zoom now.
Join."
663
00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:48,592
All right,
I'm sending her the link now.
664
00:23:48,661 --> 00:23:49,593
[tense music]
665
00:23:49,662 --> 00:23:51,529
All right,
it says it's delivered.
666
00:23:51,597 --> 00:23:53,330
- This better work, Tam.
667
00:23:53,399 --> 00:23:55,933
I mean, do you have anything
in mind that you're gonna say?
668
00:23:56,002 --> 00:23:57,034
[message notification dings]
669
00:23:57,103 --> 00:23:58,702
- Oh, oh!
Hold on, hold on.
670
00:23:58,771 --> 00:23:59,870
Sorry.
She wrote back.
671
00:23:59,939 --> 00:24:01,338
She said,
"Why are you messaging me?
672
00:24:01,407 --> 00:24:03,240
What do we have to talk about?"
673
00:24:03,309 --> 00:24:07,611
Okay, so I'm gonna say, "Well,
I'm messaging you because...
674
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,714
"Tam asked for my help.
675
00:24:10,783 --> 00:24:12,850
"She's an amazing woman,
676
00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:17,388
and I don't want
to see her get hurt."
677
00:24:18,558 --> 00:24:21,192
Is that okay?
- I think that's good.
678
00:24:21,260 --> 00:24:22,526
- I'm just gonna start
a conversation with her,
679
00:24:22,595 --> 00:24:25,095
to see if I can get her
talking a little.
680
00:24:25,164 --> 00:24:26,263
[message notification dings]
Oh, whoa, whoa.
681
00:24:26,332 --> 00:24:27,598
She just sent a long message.
Hold on.
682
00:24:27,667 --> 00:24:30,234
"Tam never told me she thought
I was a catfish.
683
00:24:30,303 --> 00:24:31,769
"We've been talking
a really long time,
684
00:24:31,838 --> 00:24:35,306
"even had a break up, and she
never expressed those feelings,
685
00:24:35,374 --> 00:24:37,808
"so I'm bit thrown off guard
by this and shocked.
686
00:24:37,877 --> 00:24:40,644
I have to think about this.
I need some time."
687
00:24:42,114 --> 00:24:44,181
"I'll get back to you
in an hour."
688
00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:45,950
- Fine.
- "Okay, fine.
689
00:24:46,018 --> 00:24:49,019
Let's talk in an hour."
690
00:24:49,088 --> 00:24:50,654
- I feel like she playin' me.
691
00:24:50,723 --> 00:24:52,056
I don't like that.
692
00:24:52,124 --> 00:24:53,524
- All right, well,
let's take a break,
693
00:24:53,593 --> 00:24:55,960
and we'll get back
in a little bit.
694
00:24:56,028 --> 00:24:59,763
[dramatic music]
695
00:24:59,832 --> 00:25:00,965
♪ ♪
696
00:25:01,033 --> 00:25:03,067
- [sighs] Hey.
- Well, here we are.
697
00:25:03,135 --> 00:25:05,269
Waiting for Jamena.
I mean, it's like...
698
00:25:05,338 --> 00:25:06,570
This is what she does, right?
699
00:25:06,639 --> 00:25:08,305
She says she'll meet you,
and then you show up,
700
00:25:08,374 --> 00:25:09,740
and she doesn't.
- Mm-hmm.
701
00:25:09,809 --> 00:25:11,075
- If she needs to be coddled
702
00:25:11,143 --> 00:25:14,879
and handled with kid gloves
right now, fine.
703
00:25:14,947 --> 00:25:16,747
All right, so I said, "Well,
if you pass up this moment,
704
00:25:16,816 --> 00:25:18,115
"you will have to live
with that decision
705
00:25:18,184 --> 00:25:19,850
for the rest of your life."
706
00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:25,122
♪ ♪
707
00:25:25,191 --> 00:25:27,024
I mean, we're still waiting.
708
00:25:27,093 --> 00:25:28,526
It's been over an hour now.
709
00:25:28,594 --> 00:25:35,533
♪ ♪
710
00:25:43,175 --> 00:25:44,074
- It's been a while.
711
00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:45,175
I've, like...
712
00:25:45,244 --> 00:25:47,111
gotten really comfortable.
713
00:25:48,714 --> 00:25:50,180
It's been over an hour.
714
00:25:50,249 --> 00:25:51,916
- Girl, at this point...
715
00:25:51,984 --> 00:25:54,251
- If this is
how it ends, with...
716
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,021
Jamena just not showing up,
717
00:25:57,089 --> 00:25:58,289
are you gonna be
okay with that?
718
00:25:58,357 --> 00:25:59,790
- I just feel like
it's still weird
719
00:25:59,859 --> 00:26:01,759
'cause I don't even know
who I'm talking to.
720
00:26:01,827 --> 00:26:03,360
It's weird.
[message notification dings]
721
00:26:03,429 --> 00:26:04,795
- Wait, she just
texted me back.
722
00:26:04,864 --> 00:26:06,163
- Ah!
- She said...
723
00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:07,197
"I'm really sorry.
724
00:26:07,266 --> 00:26:08,365
"Today is a horrible day,
725
00:26:08,434 --> 00:26:10,100
"and I just can't
do this right now,
726
00:26:10,169 --> 00:26:12,770
and I would like
to be left alone for now."
727
00:26:12,838 --> 00:26:15,005
- Oh!
- She's typing.
728
00:26:15,074 --> 00:26:16,440
"I don't want
to have to do this,
729
00:26:16,509 --> 00:26:18,742
"but if you guys
keep pushing...
730
00:26:18,811 --> 00:26:20,678
I will block the number."
731
00:26:20,746 --> 00:26:23,180
- Okay.
- Okay.
732
00:26:23,249 --> 00:26:24,748
[tense music]
733
00:26:24,817 --> 00:26:25,849
- At this point...
734
00:26:25,918 --> 00:26:27,418
- Just leave it, Nev.
735
00:26:31,057 --> 00:26:35,593
- "The victim here, and nobody
feels sorry for you."
736
00:26:35,661 --> 00:26:36,627
- Oh, no, n--
737
00:26:38,497 --> 00:26:41,832
No, no, no.
- "Bye."
738
00:26:44,670 --> 00:26:46,837
- No...
739
00:26:49,675 --> 00:26:53,210
She blocked you.
740
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:54,845
- Sorry, Tam.
741
00:26:54,914 --> 00:26:58,082
I know that's not how any of us
wanted this to end, but, uh...
742
00:26:58,150 --> 00:26:59,350
- This is what she does.
743
00:26:59,418 --> 00:27:00,884
This is what she does.
744
00:27:00,953 --> 00:27:03,053
Why should we be any different?
745
00:27:03,122 --> 00:27:04,288
- I still don't even know
746
00:27:04,357 --> 00:27:07,057
who I was talking to,
but it's...
747
00:27:07,126 --> 00:27:08,258
Cool, I guess.
748
00:27:08,327 --> 00:27:11,862
- ♪ Shouldn't this place ♪
749
00:27:11,931 --> 00:27:14,064
♪ Feel like home? ♪
750
00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:15,566
- You deserve closure.
751
00:27:15,635 --> 00:27:18,702
Like, you deserve to be able
to move on with your life
752
00:27:18,771 --> 00:27:22,172
and have answers to everything
that you want answers to.
753
00:27:22,241 --> 00:27:23,707
You deserve that.
754
00:27:23,776 --> 00:27:25,042
[somber music]
755
00:27:25,111 --> 00:27:27,011
- Thank you, guys.
756
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:28,812
I know y'all tried.
757
00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:32,049
- We tried.
758
00:27:32,118 --> 00:27:33,250
- Bye.
759
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:34,652
- All right, bye, Tam.
760
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,053
- All right, bye.
761
00:27:36,122 --> 00:27:38,288
- I feel awful.
762
00:27:38,357 --> 00:27:39,723
- Such a bummer, you know?
763
00:27:39,792 --> 00:27:43,293
- ♪ Shouldn't this place ♪
764
00:27:43,362 --> 00:27:48,499
♪ Feel like home? ♪
765
00:27:49,435 --> 00:27:50,401
[message notification dings]
766
00:27:50,469 --> 00:27:53,671
- Oh, just got a text
767
00:27:53,739 --> 00:27:55,039
on the show phone.
768
00:27:55,107 --> 00:27:58,375
[suspenseful music]
769
00:27:58,444 --> 00:28:01,111
Remember that episode
that we just filmed?
770
00:28:01,180 --> 00:28:02,980
They just texted.
771
00:28:03,049 --> 00:28:05,215
"Hey, Nev.
This is Jamena.
772
00:28:05,284 --> 00:28:06,717
"I wasn't able to talk
the other day,
773
00:28:06,786 --> 00:28:08,752
"but I can talk now.
774
00:28:08,821 --> 00:28:11,722
"Is there any way
we can Zoom today?
775
00:28:11,791 --> 00:28:13,157
I will definitely
show up today."
776
00:28:13,225 --> 00:28:15,225
- "Definitely show up."
777
00:28:15,294 --> 00:28:16,593
I'll believe it when I see it.
778
00:28:16,662 --> 00:28:17,861
- We'll see.
779
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:19,163
Ooh, I better tell Kamie.
780
00:28:19,231 --> 00:28:20,798
All right.
781
00:28:20,866 --> 00:28:22,332
Text Kamie.
782
00:28:22,401 --> 00:28:25,469
"Just got a text from Jamena.
783
00:28:26,639 --> 00:28:32,109
She says she wants
to Zoom now."
784
00:28:32,178 --> 00:28:33,744
- Hey!
785
00:28:33,813 --> 00:28:35,012
What is happening?
786
00:28:35,081 --> 00:28:36,180
- Well, let's get Tam.
787
00:28:36,248 --> 00:28:38,549
Let me get Tam on here.
Tam!
788
00:28:38,617 --> 00:28:40,250
"Jamena just texted me.
789
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:42,453
Looks like today
might be the day."
790
00:28:42,521 --> 00:28:44,354
- Don't get her hopes up.
791
00:28:44,423 --> 00:28:46,890
- "Come back in the Zoom!"
792
00:28:46,959 --> 00:28:48,859
Tam and this girl...
793
00:28:48,928 --> 00:28:51,462
have on-and-off two years
been talking, but, like,
794
00:28:51,530 --> 00:28:53,530
they are tight.
795
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:55,466
She's jumping on now.
796
00:28:55,534 --> 00:28:56,967
Oh!
- Ah!
797
00:28:57,036 --> 00:28:58,535
- Oh!
- Tam!
798
00:28:58,604 --> 00:28:59,970
- What's up, y'all?
799
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,673
- Tam, this is my wife, Laura.
800
00:29:02,742 --> 00:29:03,741
- Hey, Laura.
801
00:29:03,809 --> 00:29:04,842
- Hi, how are you?
802
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:06,443
- Hey.
I'm good.
803
00:29:06,512 --> 00:29:08,445
- We filled her in a little bit
on your situation.
804
00:29:08,514 --> 00:29:10,781
- Yeah, it's crazy.
805
00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:12,549
- It's a [bleep] situation,
Tam.
806
00:29:12,618 --> 00:29:14,918
- I di--listen.
Listen.
807
00:29:14,987 --> 00:29:17,221
I don't know
what's gonna happen today.
808
00:29:17,289 --> 00:29:19,056
I'm not getting my hopes up.
809
00:29:19,125 --> 00:29:20,557
I don't know how you feel.
810
00:29:20,626 --> 00:29:22,259
- Yeah, I'm not getting
my hopes up, neither.
811
00:29:22,328 --> 00:29:23,527
- Well, let's see
if she shows up.
812
00:29:23,596 --> 00:29:24,561
I'm gonna text her now.
813
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:26,096
- All right,
I'm gonna let you guys
814
00:29:26,165 --> 00:29:27,464
wait it out.
Good luck!
815
00:29:27,533 --> 00:29:29,399
- Nice to meet you.
816
00:29:29,468 --> 00:29:31,268
- All right.
- Man.
817
00:29:31,337 --> 00:29:33,670
- So y'all think
she gonna really show?
818
00:29:33,739 --> 00:29:35,172
- We'll see.
- No.
819
00:29:35,241 --> 00:29:36,774
The thing is,
though, Tam, like,
820
00:29:36,842 --> 00:29:40,244
you did have a really amazing
connection with her,
821
00:29:40,312 --> 00:29:42,579
and I would love
for that to continue.
822
00:29:42,648 --> 00:29:44,982
I just don't want her
dicking you around.
823
00:29:45,050 --> 00:29:46,116
- Oh, she said, "Okay,"
824
00:29:46,185 --> 00:29:48,418
so fingers crossed
she shows up...
825
00:29:48,487 --> 00:29:50,220
which should be any moment now.
826
00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:51,555
- Here we go!
827
00:29:51,624 --> 00:29:52,956
[computer chimes]
- Oh!
828
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,225
- Oh, she said, "Okay,"
829
00:29:55,294 --> 00:29:57,161
so fingers crossed
she shows up,
830
00:29:57,229 --> 00:29:58,929
which should be any moment now.
831
00:29:58,998 --> 00:30:00,264
- Here we go!
832
00:30:00,332 --> 00:30:02,199
[computer chimes]
- Oh!
833
00:30:02,268 --> 00:30:03,333
Oh--oh!
834
00:30:03,402 --> 00:30:05,702
- Hi.
- Oh! Hello!
835
00:30:05,771 --> 00:30:07,070
- Oh.
836
00:30:07,139 --> 00:30:08,672
- Jamena, is that--
that's your name?
837
00:30:08,741 --> 00:30:10,107
- Correct.
Yes.
838
00:30:10,176 --> 00:30:11,308
- Hi.
- You know, you can't--
839
00:30:11,377 --> 00:30:13,510
you can't get coronavirus
through computers,
840
00:30:13,579 --> 00:30:15,112
so if you wanna
take your mask off,
841
00:30:15,181 --> 00:30:17,381
you're welcome to.
- Well--I'm not.
842
00:30:18,651 --> 00:30:21,251
Well, I'm very pleased that
you chose to join us today.
843
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,720
Obviously, you know Tam.
844
00:30:23,789 --> 00:30:25,255
- Correct.
845
00:30:25,324 --> 00:30:26,857
- I'm Kamie.
- This is Kamie.
846
00:30:26,926 --> 00:30:28,392
- Hi, Kamie.
847
00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:30,427
- So the first thing
that comes to mind for me is,
848
00:30:30,496 --> 00:30:32,896
can you just tell us
a little bit about yourself?
849
00:30:32,965 --> 00:30:34,431
- So what would
you like to know?
850
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:36,834
- Well, you've been pretty hard
to get ahold of,
851
00:30:36,902 --> 00:30:38,101
so we do have some questions.
852
00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:39,269
[tense music]
853
00:30:39,338 --> 00:30:40,904
- Is your real name "Jamena"?
854
00:30:40,973 --> 00:30:42,573
- No...
- Okay.
855
00:30:42,641 --> 00:30:44,341
- But I go by--
I go by Mena.
856
00:30:44,410 --> 00:30:46,410
- And, Mena, where do you live?
857
00:30:46,478 --> 00:30:49,546
- I'm in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
- Oh, okay.
858
00:30:49,615 --> 00:30:52,115
- Um...I do nursing work.
859
00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:54,484
Um...what else you like
to know?
860
00:30:56,522 --> 00:30:58,255
- What--what was stopping you
861
00:30:58,324 --> 00:31:00,157
from talking to us
the other day?
862
00:31:00,226 --> 00:31:01,725
- I just had a lot going on
863
00:31:01,794 --> 00:31:04,928
that I don't wanna
discuss right now.
864
00:31:04,997 --> 00:31:07,598
- A lot going on.
Well, you're here now.
865
00:31:07,666 --> 00:31:09,299
So when did this all start?
866
00:31:09,368 --> 00:31:11,335
When did you create
your fake profile?
867
00:31:13,572 --> 00:31:15,239
- Ten years ago?
868
00:31:15,307 --> 00:31:17,307
- Yeah.
- Wow, that's a long time.
869
00:31:17,376 --> 00:31:18,508
Okay, so I'm sure then
870
00:31:18,577 --> 00:31:20,410
you've talked
to a lot of women.
871
00:31:20,479 --> 00:31:21,545
- Mm-hmm.
872
00:31:21,614 --> 00:31:22,913
- Okay, and have you
talked to them
873
00:31:22,982 --> 00:31:26,350
for as long and as intensely
as you did with Tam?
874
00:31:26,418 --> 00:31:28,318
- No, it'd probably been, like,
a month...
875
00:31:33,792 --> 00:31:36,059
- But again, you had initially
been the one
876
00:31:36,128 --> 00:31:37,928
to say, like, "If you
can't FaceTime, forget it."
877
00:31:37,997 --> 00:31:38,962
and then--
- Yeah.
878
00:31:39,031 --> 00:31:40,364
- You were the one
who FaceTimed her.
879
00:31:40,432 --> 00:31:42,599
What would you have done
if she had answered?
880
00:31:42,668 --> 00:31:43,800
- So...
881
00:31:50,676 --> 00:31:52,976
- Wha--
- You just block the person.
882
00:31:53,045 --> 00:31:54,811
- Oh.
- You block the person.
883
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,949
And so when you call them,
they won't be able to pick up.
884
00:31:59,018 --> 00:32:00,784
- Wow.
885
00:32:03,255 --> 00:32:06,823
[tense music]
886
00:32:06,892 --> 00:32:11,295
- So, Mena, do you consider
that to be manipulating people?
887
00:32:11,363 --> 00:32:13,530
- It may be manipulation.
888
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:17,534
- So do you feel like
you manipulated Tam?
889
00:32:17,603 --> 00:32:20,337
- I'm not sure.
I don't think so.
890
00:32:20,406 --> 00:32:22,973
- 'Cause you did
the same kind of thing to her.
891
00:32:23,042 --> 00:32:26,410
- So I guess--well, I guess
that is a form of manipulation,
892
00:32:26,478 --> 00:32:29,146
so I guess that's what it is.
I don't...
893
00:32:29,214 --> 00:32:32,282
wanna...whatever.
894
00:32:32,351 --> 00:32:33,317
- Man, see, I don't know.
895
00:32:33,385 --> 00:32:35,752
I just feel...
896
00:32:35,821 --> 00:32:37,120
played.
897
00:32:37,189 --> 00:32:38,622
- Well...
898
00:32:38,691 --> 00:32:40,490
- See, I'm trying to understand
why you would either
899
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:44,027
create a fake profile,
or be sort of nervous to,
900
00:32:44,096 --> 00:32:46,229
or--or avoid--
901
00:32:46,298 --> 00:32:48,398
- It was just something
that I did, like,
902
00:32:48,467 --> 00:32:50,534
not even being serious
about it.
903
00:32:50,602 --> 00:32:52,636
Like, it was just something--
I was bored,
904
00:32:52,705 --> 00:32:54,638
and I did it,
not even being really serious.
905
00:32:54,707 --> 00:32:56,940
Wasn't even taking
the whole profile serious.
906
00:32:57,009 --> 00:32:58,108
[somber music]
907
00:32:58,177 --> 00:32:59,676
- Just based
on what Tam told us,
908
00:32:59,745 --> 00:33:01,445
the relationship
you guys have had
909
00:33:01,513 --> 00:33:02,512
and the connection
that you've had
910
00:33:02,581 --> 00:33:05,949
seems to have been
very meaningful.
911
00:33:06,018 --> 00:33:07,017
- Mm-hmm.
912
00:33:07,086 --> 00:33:08,852
- And I just can't tell...
913
00:33:08,921 --> 00:33:12,189
where you're at
with your feelings towards her.
914
00:33:12,257 --> 00:33:14,458
What do you feel
like you and Tam are?
915
00:33:14,526 --> 00:33:17,194
- Just, like,
a really good friendship.
916
00:33:17,262 --> 00:33:18,595
Like, a really good friendship.
917
00:33:18,664 --> 00:33:21,631
Somebody to talk to.
Like, we vibe like that.
918
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:23,400
Like, I really look at her
like that.
919
00:33:23,469 --> 00:33:25,802
- Well, we saw a lot
of the messages
920
00:33:25,871 --> 00:33:27,637
that you guys
have shared back and forth,
921
00:33:27,706 --> 00:33:29,606
and it doesn't just
seem like something
922
00:33:29,675 --> 00:33:31,608
that you send
to your girlfriends.
923
00:33:31,677 --> 00:33:32,843
Like, it sounds like something
924
00:33:32,911 --> 00:33:34,945
you would send
to your girlfriend.
925
00:33:35,014 --> 00:33:36,680
- It was bigger.
It was deeper.
926
00:33:36,749 --> 00:33:39,449
And I feel like you kinda took
advantage of me a little bit.
927
00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:41,885
'Cause I was really broken.
928
00:33:41,954 --> 00:33:45,589
And I feel like...
you don't understand that.
929
00:33:45,657 --> 00:33:47,424
- Okay, so I guess it is...
930
00:33:47,493 --> 00:33:50,227
I-I have feelings.
I do, I do.
931
00:33:50,295 --> 00:33:51,895
It is a--it is.
932
00:33:51,964 --> 00:33:53,630
I guess it's me
just trying to say this
933
00:33:53,699 --> 00:33:57,100
to protect my own self,
but I do have feelings.
934
00:33:57,169 --> 00:34:00,704
♪ ♪
935
00:34:00,773 --> 00:34:03,840
- I feel like
everything is a lie.
936
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:06,043
You're telling me
to link up with you places,
937
00:34:06,111 --> 00:34:07,377
and you knew you wasn't coming.
938
00:34:07,446 --> 00:34:10,447
That's just--I still feel
like that's [bleep] up.
939
00:34:10,516 --> 00:34:13,050
I'm really embarrassed.
940
00:34:13,118 --> 00:34:15,452
I feel like you embarrassed me.
941
00:34:15,521 --> 00:34:18,455
- I'm just worried that
you don't truly care about Tam.
942
00:34:18,524 --> 00:34:20,657
I mean, are you
in another relationship?
943
00:34:20,726 --> 00:34:23,060
Who texted Tam
those threatening messages?
944
00:34:23,128 --> 00:34:26,696
Someone named Dreah.
945
00:34:26,765 --> 00:34:29,599
- Oh, Dreah.
Okay, she's a friend.
946
00:34:29,668 --> 00:34:31,535
- So she's your friend?
947
00:34:31,603 --> 00:34:34,204
And you had her send some smoke
Tam's way for no reason?
948
00:34:34,273 --> 00:34:36,339
If she's someone
that you really care about,
949
00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:38,141
like, why have her
threaten her?
950
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:39,309
Why?
951
00:34:39,378 --> 00:34:40,377
- Because I just wanted it
952
00:34:40,446 --> 00:34:41,645
to end at that point.
953
00:34:41,713 --> 00:34:43,013
Like, I just wanted it for--
954
00:34:43,082 --> 00:34:45,182
at that point, I just wanted it
to be over with.
955
00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:46,683
Just to end.
956
00:34:49,688 --> 00:34:51,488
- That's pretty [bleep] up.
957
00:34:51,557 --> 00:34:53,423
- I did that all,
and I apologize.
958
00:34:53,492 --> 00:34:56,359
I truly am sorry.
Like, I was wrong.
959
00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:58,862
I really, really messed up
something great.
960
00:34:58,931 --> 00:35:01,798
I don't want to get emotional;
I don't wanna cry.
961
00:35:01,867 --> 00:35:04,401
So I'm actually, like,
holding stuff back...
962
00:35:06,338 --> 00:35:08,405
- Mm.
963
00:35:08,474 --> 00:35:12,642
- I've never was able to be
so open with a person.
964
00:35:12,711 --> 00:35:15,579
I really wish that we could
move forward and move on,
965
00:35:15,647 --> 00:35:17,747
and like I've told you,
I love you.
966
00:35:19,084 --> 00:35:21,351
- Mm...
967
00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:23,420
Kamie, can me and you talk?
968
00:35:23,489 --> 00:35:24,488
Real quick?
969
00:35:24,556 --> 00:35:25,956
- Yeah.
- Okay.
970
00:35:26,024 --> 00:35:27,190
All right, we'll see you guys
in a minute.
971
00:35:27,259 --> 00:35:29,192
- See you in a second.
Okay.
972
00:35:29,261 --> 00:35:30,427
- Hey.
973
00:35:30,496 --> 00:35:31,862
- Girl, you're being so quiet.
974
00:35:31,930 --> 00:35:33,597
You've gotta tell her
how you feel.
975
00:35:33,665 --> 00:35:35,932
- Right now,
I'm just like, numb.
976
00:35:36,001 --> 00:35:37,934
To be honest.
977
00:35:38,003 --> 00:35:40,770
I'm, like, very, very numb.
978
00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:45,075
I don't know what's real
and what's fake.
979
00:35:45,144 --> 00:35:46,910
Mm...I don't know.
980
00:35:46,979 --> 00:35:48,912
- What's up?
Because I'm a little confused.
981
00:35:48,981 --> 00:35:50,614
Because even though
you're saying
982
00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:52,249
all the right things now,
983
00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:54,050
based on the actions
of the past,
984
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:56,319
it just didn't feel like
you cared that much,
985
00:35:56,388 --> 00:35:57,287
so I'm not sure if--
986
00:35:57,356 --> 00:35:59,189
- Yes, I care!
987
00:35:59,258 --> 00:36:01,892
I really do.
I really care.
988
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,927
- I don't think
she was even bad-looking.
989
00:36:03,996 --> 00:36:05,028
- No.
990
00:36:05,097 --> 00:36:07,264
You can tell by her attitude
991
00:36:07,332 --> 00:36:08,632
something else is going on.
992
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:11,001
She's just not willing
to say what it is.
993
00:36:12,304 --> 00:36:14,371
I guess, like, when you
have feelings for a person,
994
00:36:14,439 --> 00:36:16,306
kind of, it's just, like, hard.
995
00:36:16,375 --> 00:36:18,475
- Yeah, it doesn't
just go away.
996
00:36:18,544 --> 00:36:19,643
And like, even the fact that
997
00:36:19,711 --> 00:36:22,212
she looks like
an attractive woman,
998
00:36:22,281 --> 00:36:24,514
and everything is the same,
999
00:36:24,583 --> 00:36:28,985
it's hard not to imagine
what could possibly be.
1000
00:36:29,054 --> 00:36:31,922
But at the same time,
keep in mind that this woman
1001
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:35,125
has been manipulating you
this entire time.
1002
00:36:35,194 --> 00:36:36,526
- Yeah.
1003
00:36:36,595 --> 00:36:39,196
- But I just wanna know
from you
1004
00:36:39,264 --> 00:36:41,464
where you stand currently,
knowing what you know,
1005
00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:43,633
because I'm gonna
have your back
1006
00:36:43,702 --> 00:36:45,402
whichever way it is
that you wanna go.
1007
00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:47,370
So if you think
that you wanna, like,
1008
00:36:47,439 --> 00:36:49,306
maintain something
with this person,
1009
00:36:49,374 --> 00:36:51,875
then I will go that route,
1010
00:36:51,944 --> 00:36:53,977
but if you think
that this is it,
1011
00:36:54,046 --> 00:36:55,812
and you wanna just tell her
how you feel about everything
1012
00:36:55,881 --> 00:36:59,115
and move on with your life,
I'm here.
1013
00:36:59,184 --> 00:37:00,684
- [sighs]
1014
00:37:02,521 --> 00:37:03,486
- So let's see
if we can get them
1015
00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:05,355
back into the Zoom.
- Okay.
1016
00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:08,592
Why don't you guys jump back
into the Zoom?"
1017
00:37:10,095 --> 00:37:11,294
[computer chimes]
1018
00:37:11,363 --> 00:37:12,896
Oh, there's--
okay, there's Kamie.
1019
00:37:12,965 --> 00:37:14,664
Okay.
All right, we're all back.
1020
00:37:14,733 --> 00:37:18,235
Why don't you guys talk
without us for a minute?
1021
00:37:18,303 --> 00:37:20,070
Because I feel like maybe
it'll be easier
1022
00:37:20,138 --> 00:37:22,038
for you guys to talk
if it's just you two.
1023
00:37:22,107 --> 00:37:23,273
Is that cool?
1024
00:37:23,342 --> 00:37:24,407
Would you guys be
okay with that?
1025
00:37:24,476 --> 00:37:26,142
- Yeah.
- Okay, mm-hmm.
1026
00:37:26,211 --> 00:37:28,645
[suspenseful music]
1027
00:37:28,714 --> 00:37:30,981
- I still feel like
you took advantage of me.
1028
00:37:32,317 --> 00:37:35,452
- Okay, why can't you look up?
1029
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,687
Look up, girl, like--
[laughs]
1030
00:37:37,756 --> 00:37:39,689
why you can't--okay, look up.
1031
00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:41,491
Now, what was you saying?
1032
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,126
- I feel like
you playing mind games.
1033
00:37:43,195 --> 00:37:45,195
Like, you used to block me.
You just--
1034
00:37:45,264 --> 00:37:47,163
- But you know why I blo--
1035
00:37:47,232 --> 00:37:48,865
- Like, we'd be talking,
and then you block me.
1036
00:37:48,934 --> 00:37:51,201
I used to be like,
"What the [bleep] is going on?"
1037
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:53,903
- Don't say like I blocked you
just because.
1038
00:37:53,972 --> 00:37:55,238
- You're just so defensive,
1039
00:37:55,307 --> 00:37:57,340
but I'm telling you what it--
- I'm not.
1040
00:37:57,409 --> 00:37:58,775
I'm not defensive.
- You're just so defensive.
1041
00:37:58,844 --> 00:38:00,477
Yes, you are.
1042
00:38:00,545 --> 00:38:03,580
I just feel like I really came
into the situation
1043
00:38:03,649 --> 00:38:08,918
so vulnerable and so me
and so true,
1044
00:38:08,987 --> 00:38:11,621
so this [bleep] just kinda...
1045
00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:12,989
it hurts.
1046
00:38:13,058 --> 00:38:14,257
I used to tell you every day,
like,
1047
00:38:14,326 --> 00:38:15,859
"Okay, well, we can be friends.
1048
00:38:15,927 --> 00:38:20,196
If you not the girl, I'm cool.
Like, we can be friends."
1049
00:38:20,265 --> 00:38:22,532
So I don't understand why
you just never was like,
1050
00:38:22,601 --> 00:38:24,000
"Damn, okay."
1051
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:25,902
- You know,
I didn't want to lo--
1052
00:38:25,971 --> 00:38:27,937
I didn't want
to lose you, girl.
1053
00:38:28,006 --> 00:38:30,006
♪ ♪
1054
00:38:30,075 --> 00:38:31,408
Tam...
1055
00:38:31,476 --> 00:38:34,210
you need
to let that [bleep] go.
1056
00:38:34,279 --> 00:38:36,680
- I guess you got it
all figured out.
1057
00:38:36,748 --> 00:38:37,747
- So what you wanna do?
1058
00:38:37,816 --> 00:38:39,449
- For as far as dating
1059
00:38:39,518 --> 00:38:42,552
and all this [bleep],
I just need to chill on that...
1060
00:38:46,758 --> 00:38:49,059
You got anything else
you wanna say?
1061
00:38:49,127 --> 00:38:51,628
- Yeah, I love you.
1062
00:38:54,433 --> 00:38:56,599
Okay?
1063
00:39:00,038 --> 00:39:02,539
So you ain't gonna say it back?
1064
00:39:05,577 --> 00:39:07,744
So you really just gonna
sit up here
1065
00:39:07,813 --> 00:39:10,146
and not even say nothing back?
1066
00:39:10,215 --> 00:39:13,416
- I feel like I've said
everything I can say.
1067
00:39:13,485 --> 00:39:14,584
- Okay.
All right.
1068
00:39:14,653 --> 00:39:15,752
- I'm fixin'
to get off of here.
1069
00:39:15,821 --> 00:39:17,854
- Go ahead.
[chuckles]
1070
00:39:17,923 --> 00:39:19,422
[line trilling]
1071
00:39:19,491 --> 00:39:22,392
- ♪ What height is the ceiling
this time? ♪
1072
00:39:23,895 --> 00:39:25,261
- Hey, Nev.
1073
00:39:27,332 --> 00:39:28,665
- Yeah, that's cool.
1074
00:39:29,468 --> 00:39:30,633
- Bye.
1075
00:39:30,702 --> 00:39:32,001
[somber music]
1076
00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:34,904
- ♪ My eyes are open so wide ♪
1077
00:39:34,973 --> 00:39:36,373
♪ ♪
1078
00:39:36,441 --> 00:39:38,641
♪ Prove that it's more
than I think ♪
1079
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:39,776
- Hey.
- Hey.
1080
00:39:39,845 --> 00:39:40,844
- Hey, everybody.
1081
00:39:40,912 --> 00:39:42,379
- Do you feel like you...
1082
00:39:42,447 --> 00:39:45,515
came to some kind
of conclusion?
1083
00:39:45,584 --> 00:39:48,551
- She want everything
to just be back how it was,
1084
00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:50,353
and it can't ever be like that.
1085
00:39:50,422 --> 00:39:52,655
- Mena, I don't know
if you feel like you're...
1086
00:39:52,724 --> 00:39:53,890
finally ready
to stop doing this.
1087
00:39:53,959 --> 00:39:55,258
- Yeah, yeah.
- I know it's been ten years.
1088
00:39:55,327 --> 00:39:56,459
- I'm over it.
1089
00:39:56,528 --> 00:39:58,294
- Okay, well, I hope
that's true.
1090
00:39:58,363 --> 00:39:59,996
I think you understand that
not a lot of good
1091
00:40:00,065 --> 00:40:01,431
really comes out of this,
1092
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:03,166
for you or anyone.
- No.
1093
00:40:03,235 --> 00:40:05,468
I totally understand.
1094
00:40:05,537 --> 00:40:08,438
- All right, well,
then I think we'll say goodbye.
1095
00:40:08,507 --> 00:40:10,974
- All right.
Bye.
1096
00:40:11,042 --> 00:40:12,709
- Bye.
1097
00:40:15,547 --> 00:40:17,680
- Well, I'm very proud of you
1098
00:40:17,749 --> 00:40:19,983
for how you stood up
for yourself.
1099
00:40:20,051 --> 00:40:21,618
- Thank you.
- Look.
1100
00:40:21,686 --> 00:40:23,686
You're amazing, Tam.
All right, we love you.
1101
00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:26,089
- I appreciate y'all.
Y'all was amazing.
1102
00:40:26,158 --> 00:40:27,056
- Aww...
- Thanks, Tam.
1103
00:40:27,125 --> 00:40:28,258
- Thank you, Tam.
1104
00:40:28,326 --> 00:40:29,793
- Bye-bye.
- Bye.
1105
00:40:29,861 --> 00:40:33,229
[singer vocalizing]
1106
00:40:33,298 --> 00:40:34,297
♪ ♪
1107
00:40:34,366 --> 00:40:41,237
- ♪ I'll go where I am led ♪
1108
00:40:41,306 --> 00:40:48,478
♪ ♪
1109
00:40:48,947 --> 00:40:51,448
♪ Who will I love
in the end? ♪
1110
00:40:51,516 --> 00:40:53,183
[upbeat techno music]
1111
00:40:53,251 --> 00:40:54,484
- Ten years ago,
Paul met Caitea.
1112
00:40:54,553 --> 00:40:55,919
They planned
to move in together.
1113
00:40:55,987 --> 00:40:58,788
But on the day of the move,
she stood him up.
1114
00:40:58,857 --> 00:41:00,790
- Ten years later, and I'm
still thinking about her.
1115
00:41:00,859 --> 00:41:03,226
- He's not over Caitea.
He's not over her.
1116
00:41:03,295 --> 00:41:05,228
- Whoa!
"Caitea [bleep] is a catfish."
1117
00:41:05,297 --> 00:41:06,796
- [gasps]
[cell phone chimes]
1118
00:41:06,865 --> 00:41:08,565
- Caitea just texted me
"What's the Zoom link?"
1119
00:41:08,633 --> 00:41:10,266
- Oh, [bleep].
- I'm literally shaking.
1120
00:41:10,335 --> 00:41:11,534
[Zoom bell chimes]