1 00:00:01,235 --> 00:00:02,901 - Jason's been talking with Mar, 2 00:00:03,004 --> 00:00:04,236 someone he met on a hookup app. 3 00:00:04,338 --> 00:00:06,405 - He makes me feel like I'm wanted. 4 00:00:06,507 --> 00:00:09,108 - But you've sending money to this person. 5 00:00:09,210 --> 00:00:11,410 - Do you see these red flags? 6 00:00:12,913 --> 00:00:14,046 [line disconnects] 7 00:00:14,148 --> 00:00:15,214 - [gasps] 8 00:00:15,316 --> 00:00:16,915 It was a girl! 9 00:00:17,018 --> 00:00:18,283 - This is crazy. 10 00:00:18,386 --> 00:00:20,019 - Deep breath, Jason. Deep breath. 11 00:00:20,121 --> 00:00:21,520 - I'm so nervous. 12 00:00:21,622 --> 00:00:22,388 [computer chimes] 13 00:00:22,490 --> 00:00:24,723 - Get the [BLEEP] out of here. 14 00:00:24,825 --> 00:00:27,559 [dramatic musical sting] 15 00:00:27,661 --> 00:00:28,694 [upbeat rock music] 16 00:00:28,796 --> 00:00:31,864 - ♪ Keep crushing it up ♪ 17 00:00:31,966 --> 00:00:33,165 ♪ Gimme, gimme the bust ♪ 18 00:00:33,267 --> 00:00:34,466 [computer chimes] 19 00:00:34,568 --> 00:00:36,068 - What's up, girl? 20 00:00:36,170 --> 00:00:39,338 - Oh, this is your "Dancing with the Stars" stretch? 21 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,840 - No, this is my standard back stretch. 22 00:00:41,942 --> 00:00:43,142 [moans] 23 00:00:43,244 --> 00:00:44,877 - Hold, hold, and breathe. 24 00:00:44,979 --> 00:00:46,178 Deep stretch. 25 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,479 - Kamie, you have a nice voice. 26 00:00:47,581 --> 00:00:49,815 You could do, like, guided meditation. 27 00:00:49,917 --> 00:00:51,116 - Should I? 28 00:00:51,218 --> 00:00:54,186 Push back into downward-facing dog. 29 00:00:54,288 --> 00:00:55,487 - Yeah. That's nice. 30 00:00:55,589 --> 00:00:57,956 - Think about all the good things in your life. 31 00:00:58,059 --> 00:00:59,558 [laughter] 32 00:00:59,660 --> 00:01:00,959 - All right. 33 00:01:01,062 --> 00:01:04,229 Let's see what we got cooking up in the old email here. 34 00:01:04,331 --> 00:01:06,198 This is from Marcella. 35 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:08,634 - ♪ Lay it on me, I'm listening ♪ 36 00:01:08,736 --> 00:01:10,269 - "Hey Nev and Kamie, 37 00:01:10,371 --> 00:01:13,305 I'm writing in hopes that you can help my brother, Jason." 38 00:01:13,407 --> 00:01:14,840 - ♪ Say what you want ♪ 39 00:01:14,942 --> 00:01:18,310 - "He's 32 years old and lives in [bleep], California. 40 00:01:18,412 --> 00:01:20,345 "And he's being catfished. 41 00:01:20,448 --> 00:01:22,314 "For the last two months, 42 00:01:22,416 --> 00:01:24,450 "he's been talking to someone he met on a hookup app. 43 00:01:24,552 --> 00:01:26,885 "At first, it seemed like harmless fun, 44 00:01:26,987 --> 00:01:28,120 "but now I'm worried. 45 00:01:28,222 --> 00:01:30,089 "They've never talked on the phone, 46 00:01:30,191 --> 00:01:31,990 "never video chatted, 47 00:01:32,093 --> 00:01:35,327 and Jason has been stood up twice." 48 00:01:35,429 --> 00:01:36,662 - Mm. 49 00:01:36,764 --> 00:01:38,430 - ♪ Some folks really don't listen much ♪ 50 00:01:38,532 --> 00:01:40,332 - "But here's the kicker. 51 00:01:40,434 --> 00:01:43,902 "I found out that Jason has been sending money 52 00:01:44,004 --> 00:01:46,939 "to this person. 53 00:01:47,041 --> 00:01:48,740 "Jason is putting up with all of this 54 00:01:48,843 --> 00:01:51,944 "because he recently went through a bad breakup. 55 00:01:52,046 --> 00:01:54,213 "I think he's putting all of his hopes 56 00:01:54,315 --> 00:01:56,315 "into this new relationship. 57 00:01:56,417 --> 00:01:59,384 But I'm afraid Jason is going to get hurt again." 58 00:01:59,487 --> 00:02:01,120 Forget hurt. He's getting scammed. 59 00:02:01,222 --> 00:02:03,922 - ♪ Sell it to me, sell it to me ♪ 60 00:02:04,024 --> 00:02:05,224 - "Jason is a pastor 61 00:02:05,326 --> 00:02:07,426 "and always wants to see the best in people. 62 00:02:07,528 --> 00:02:09,361 "But I know it's gonna land him 63 00:02:09,463 --> 00:02:11,330 "with another broken heart. 64 00:02:11,432 --> 00:02:13,632 Please help, Marcella." 65 00:02:15,136 --> 00:02:16,301 - Bless his heart. 66 00:02:16,403 --> 00:02:17,369 - So we got a real problem here 67 00:02:17,471 --> 00:02:19,338 because we got a pastor 68 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,573 rebounding from a bad breakup, 69 00:02:21,675 --> 00:02:23,175 and obviously 70 00:02:23,277 --> 00:02:25,177 some major red flags here. 71 00:02:25,279 --> 00:02:27,479 So let's text Marcella 72 00:02:27,581 --> 00:02:29,882 and see if she can jump in. 73 00:02:31,418 --> 00:02:32,584 Oh, okay. She got my text. 74 00:02:32,686 --> 00:02:33,685 She hearted it. 75 00:02:33,787 --> 00:02:36,388 "Come in our Zoom." 76 00:02:36,490 --> 00:02:37,523 [computer chimes] 77 00:02:37,625 --> 00:02:38,524 Oh. 78 00:02:38,626 --> 00:02:41,226 - Oh, my God. both: Hey. 79 00:02:41,328 --> 00:02:42,427 - What's up? - Hi, Nev. 80 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:43,996 - Marcella. - Hi, Kamie. 81 00:02:44,098 --> 00:02:45,297 - Hi. 82 00:02:45,399 --> 00:02:47,399 - This just seems so unreal. 83 00:02:47,501 --> 00:02:49,134 - Do you also live in California? 84 00:02:49,236 --> 00:02:50,869 - No, I live in Dayton, Ohio. 85 00:02:50,971 --> 00:02:52,004 - Oh, okay. 86 00:02:52,106 --> 00:02:54,039 So did you guys grow up in Ohio? 87 00:02:54,141 --> 00:02:55,440 - Yeah, we both grew up in Ohio. 88 00:02:55,543 --> 00:02:56,942 Jason--I call him my brother, 89 00:02:57,044 --> 00:02:57,976 but he's actually my best friend. 90 00:02:58,078 --> 00:02:59,211 We met in college. 91 00:02:59,313 --> 00:03:00,412 - Oh, okay. 92 00:03:00,514 --> 00:03:03,282 - We talk every day, all day. 93 00:03:03,384 --> 00:03:05,317 - Did you guys ever hook up? 94 00:03:05,419 --> 00:03:07,352 - [laughing] No, no. 95 00:03:07,454 --> 00:03:09,855 Strictly platonic. He's my best friend. 96 00:03:09,957 --> 00:03:11,857 And he likes guys, so... 97 00:03:11,959 --> 00:03:13,158 - Wow. 98 00:03:13,260 --> 00:03:14,826 So he's a progressive pastor. 99 00:03:14,929 --> 00:03:16,094 I love this. 100 00:03:16,197 --> 00:03:19,198 - I just foolishly assumed it was a girl. 101 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:20,566 - He's gay. 102 00:03:20,668 --> 00:03:24,002 He just loves light-skinned, pretty boys. 103 00:03:24,104 --> 00:03:25,604 - Oh, God. 104 00:03:25,706 --> 00:03:26,972 - [laughs] 105 00:03:27,074 --> 00:03:29,675 - Hell, has he been openly gay as long as you've known him? 106 00:03:29,777 --> 00:03:30,776 - Yeah. 107 00:03:30,878 --> 00:03:34,746 - Okay, so Jason met this guy on an app. 108 00:03:34,848 --> 00:03:37,149 Do you know which app it was? - Jack'd. 109 00:03:37,251 --> 00:03:38,817 - Oh, my God. I know about Jack'd. 110 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:40,786 - What's this guy's name? Do you know? 111 00:03:40,888 --> 00:03:42,120 - Yeah. His name is Mar. 112 00:03:42,223 --> 00:03:44,189 He lives in Vegas. - Got it. 113 00:03:44,291 --> 00:03:46,024 - And why do you think he's fake? 114 00:03:46,126 --> 00:03:47,626 - He only texts Jason. 115 00:03:47,728 --> 00:03:50,429 When he asks to Facetime him, he won't Facetime him. 116 00:03:50,531 --> 00:03:52,097 He always have an excuse. 117 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:53,432 When he went to Vegas, you know, 118 00:03:53,534 --> 00:03:55,200 he didn't meet up with him. 119 00:03:55,302 --> 00:03:57,069 So now it just has me thinking, like, 120 00:03:57,171 --> 00:03:58,503 he's probably catfishing him. 121 00:03:58,606 --> 00:03:59,838 - But you said that Jason has been 122 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:01,106 sending him a lot of money. 123 00:04:01,208 --> 00:04:02,374 What's that about? - He has. 124 00:04:02,476 --> 00:04:04,409 He has sent him probably over $500. 125 00:04:04,511 --> 00:04:06,011 - Wow. - For what? 126 00:04:06,113 --> 00:04:07,179 - Exactly. 127 00:04:07,281 --> 00:04:08,447 What are you sending him money for? 128 00:04:08,549 --> 00:04:10,349 Jason is very gullible. 129 00:04:10,451 --> 00:04:11,683 - You mentioned in the email 130 00:04:11,785 --> 00:04:13,685 that Jason recently had a bad breakup. 131 00:04:13,787 --> 00:04:16,321 - Yeah, he just got out of a bad marriage. 132 00:04:16,423 --> 00:04:18,123 - Oh, wow. How long was he married? 133 00:04:18,225 --> 00:04:20,459 - Two, three years. - Oh, wow. 134 00:04:20,561 --> 00:04:21,994 - So you do think Jason 135 00:04:22,096 --> 00:04:24,730 would be accepting of our help? 136 00:04:24,832 --> 00:04:26,832 - I mentioned you guys to him before. 137 00:04:26,934 --> 00:04:28,867 I said, you know, "This sounds pretty shady. 138 00:04:28,969 --> 00:04:30,736 I'm gonna email 'Catfish' about this." 139 00:04:30,838 --> 00:04:32,104 - [laughs] 140 00:04:32,206 --> 00:04:33,505 - What's the best way for us to get in touch with Jason? 141 00:04:33,607 --> 00:04:34,706 - I could text him. 142 00:04:34,808 --> 00:04:36,608 - Yeah, and invite him to join our Zoom. 143 00:04:36,710 --> 00:04:38,076 - Yep, I just texted him. 144 00:04:38,178 --> 00:04:39,177 - Okay. Great. 145 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:40,412 - Well. 146 00:04:40,514 --> 00:04:42,748 - Hope he isn't gonna be upset with me. 147 00:04:42,850 --> 00:04:44,549 [laughter] 148 00:04:44,652 --> 00:04:45,817 - I hope not. [computer chimes] 149 00:04:45,919 --> 00:04:47,019 - Oh. 150 00:04:47,121 --> 00:04:50,389 - Hello, Jason. 151 00:04:50,491 --> 00:04:52,457 - Kamie and Nev, how you guys doing? 152 00:04:52,559 --> 00:04:53,759 - We're doing well. 153 00:04:53,861 --> 00:04:56,828 You know, I got the call from Jesus, 154 00:04:56,930 --> 00:04:59,331 and he told me that you need help. 155 00:04:59,433 --> 00:05:00,932 [laughing] - Oh, Lord. 156 00:05:01,035 --> 00:05:02,200 [laughter] 157 00:05:02,303 --> 00:05:03,535 - So you're a pastor, right? 158 00:05:03,637 --> 00:05:05,437 - Yeah. I am a pastor. 159 00:05:05,539 --> 00:05:07,706 - I'm assuming that your church 160 00:05:07,808 --> 00:05:10,442 is open-minded and accepting of homosexuality? 161 00:05:10,544 --> 00:05:13,578 - Um, yes and no. 162 00:05:13,681 --> 00:05:15,547 Um, you know, we have older members 163 00:05:15,649 --> 00:05:16,915 who are confound on, you know, 164 00:05:17,017 --> 00:05:19,518 homosexuality is a sin and you'll go to hell. 165 00:05:19,620 --> 00:05:20,752 But, I mean... - Mm. 166 00:05:20,854 --> 00:05:22,554 - I'm not concerned because we have 167 00:05:22,656 --> 00:05:24,456 younger members that are, like, 168 00:05:24,558 --> 00:05:26,792 it really doesn't matter what your walk of life is 169 00:05:26,894 --> 00:05:28,460 as long as you, you know, come to Christ. 170 00:05:28,562 --> 00:05:30,829 - I'm a Christian too. 171 00:05:30,931 --> 00:05:31,997 And love is not a sin. 172 00:05:32,099 --> 00:05:34,633 So it doesn't matter who it is that you love. 173 00:05:34,735 --> 00:05:36,401 That's--there's nothing wrong with that. 174 00:05:36,503 --> 00:05:38,470 - You know, you right. [chuckles] 175 00:05:38,572 --> 00:05:40,739 - So this guy you're talking to, Mar... 176 00:05:40,841 --> 00:05:42,207 - Yes. 177 00:05:42,309 --> 00:05:43,642 - I think we need to kind of just get into the specifics. 178 00:05:43,744 --> 00:05:45,210 Marcella, you already know all this, 179 00:05:45,312 --> 00:05:46,511 but we wanna hear it from him. 180 00:05:46,613 --> 00:05:48,046 Thank you for getting our attention. 181 00:05:48,148 --> 00:05:49,214 - Absolutely. 182 00:05:49,316 --> 00:05:51,116 Good luck, Jason! - [laughing] 183 00:05:51,218 --> 00:05:53,285 - I hope you get all, you know, the answers you're looking for. 184 00:05:53,387 --> 00:05:54,419 - All right, sister. 185 00:05:54,521 --> 00:05:57,222 - Bye, Marcella. 186 00:05:57,324 --> 00:05:59,224 Aww. She loves you. 187 00:05:59,326 --> 00:06:00,258 - She does. She does. 188 00:06:00,361 --> 00:06:02,794 - So you're 32 now, right? 189 00:06:02,896 --> 00:06:03,962 - Right. 190 00:06:04,064 --> 00:06:05,530 - When did you get married? 191 00:06:05,632 --> 00:06:07,833 - I got married three years ago. 192 00:06:07,935 --> 00:06:10,302 But after a while, there was no love there. 193 00:06:10,404 --> 00:06:12,337 I felt more like a sugar daddy. 194 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:13,572 We're separated. 195 00:06:13,674 --> 00:06:15,374 We're going through the divorce process. 196 00:06:15,476 --> 00:06:17,709 - Aww. Jason, I'm sorry. 197 00:06:17,811 --> 00:06:20,045 - I'm genuine. I'm looking for real love, 198 00:06:20,147 --> 00:06:21,213 and it just wasn't there. 199 00:06:21,315 --> 00:06:23,315 - How long before you met Mar? 200 00:06:23,417 --> 00:06:24,783 - A week after. - Wow. 201 00:06:24,885 --> 00:06:26,485 - Wow. Okay. 202 00:06:26,587 --> 00:06:28,019 - So tell us about Mar 203 00:06:28,122 --> 00:06:29,988 and kind of how you got to where you are with him. 204 00:06:30,090 --> 00:06:31,790 - I know that he lives in Las Vegas. 205 00:06:31,892 --> 00:06:33,325 He's a security guard on the Strip. 206 00:06:33,427 --> 00:06:34,960 He's 21 years old. 207 00:06:35,062 --> 00:06:36,027 - 21? 208 00:06:36,130 --> 00:06:37,062 - [laughs] Yeah. 209 00:06:37,164 --> 00:06:38,196 I... 210 00:06:38,298 --> 00:06:40,699 I like younger guys. 211 00:06:40,801 --> 00:06:43,268 I think that's my downfall, like, light-skin and young. 212 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:44,336 I'm just like, oh, my God. 213 00:06:44,438 --> 00:06:46,872 - No, no, no! - [laughs] 214 00:06:46,974 --> 00:06:47,973 - Oh, man. 215 00:06:48,075 --> 00:06:49,007 - But Jack'd is, like, 216 00:06:49,109 --> 00:06:50,942 a location-based app, right? 217 00:06:51,044 --> 00:06:52,911 How did you guys match in the first place? 218 00:06:53,013 --> 00:06:54,546 - I was in Las Vegas on vacation. 219 00:06:54,648 --> 00:06:57,115 My last day there, I was bored, 220 00:06:57,217 --> 00:06:59,117 so I'm like, "Let's see who's around." 221 00:06:59,219 --> 00:07:00,819 Bam, his profile showed 222 00:07:00,921 --> 00:07:02,487 that he was two miles away from me. 223 00:07:02,589 --> 00:07:04,022 So I hit him up. 224 00:07:04,124 --> 00:07:05,690 I'm like, "Well, you know, I'm here in Vegas. 225 00:07:05,793 --> 00:07:08,126 Do you wanna, you know, hang out?" 226 00:07:08,228 --> 00:07:09,694 He was like, "I can't hang out tonight 227 00:07:09,797 --> 00:07:11,296 'cause I have to go to work." 228 00:07:11,398 --> 00:07:12,731 Which--that's understandable, you know? 229 00:07:12,833 --> 00:07:14,065 You hit someone up last minute. 230 00:07:14,168 --> 00:07:15,267 - That makes sense, 231 00:07:15,369 --> 00:07:17,235 but then you went back to California, 232 00:07:17,337 --> 00:07:19,004 and you guys started talking. 233 00:07:19,106 --> 00:07:20,272 What happened? 234 00:07:20,374 --> 00:07:21,706 - The conversation is there. 235 00:07:21,809 --> 00:07:23,041 Just to wake up in the morning 236 00:07:23,143 --> 00:07:26,378 and have someone text you "Good morning" 237 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:27,712 makes you feel good. 238 00:07:27,815 --> 00:07:30,415 He makes me feel like I'm wanted. 239 00:07:30,517 --> 00:07:33,418 He texts me "I'm going to work." 240 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,287 If his day is slow, 241 00:07:35,389 --> 00:07:37,522 we'll have a little conversation. 242 00:07:37,624 --> 00:07:40,692 But sometimes, I am kind of afraid 243 00:07:40,794 --> 00:07:42,627 to text back when he's at work 244 00:07:42,729 --> 00:07:46,131 because he always wants me to get him an Uber. 245 00:07:46,233 --> 00:07:48,533 - What? - [laughs] 246 00:07:48,635 --> 00:07:51,636 - You mean, like, to go to or home from work? 247 00:07:51,738 --> 00:07:53,071 - Yeah. - What? 248 00:07:53,173 --> 00:07:56,575 - Wait, you actually call the Uber in your app? 249 00:07:56,677 --> 00:08:00,345 - No, so I send him money. 250 00:08:00,447 --> 00:08:01,513 [hip-hop music] 251 00:08:01,615 --> 00:08:04,316 - Mm. - Jason. 252 00:08:04,418 --> 00:08:05,484 - Me personally, I don't think 253 00:08:05,586 --> 00:08:07,252 he's doing anything malicious with it 254 00:08:07,354 --> 00:08:09,120 because he always says he's gonna pay me back. 255 00:08:09,223 --> 00:08:10,622 - Has he? - No. 256 00:08:10,724 --> 00:08:11,590 He hasn't paid me back. 257 00:08:11,692 --> 00:08:13,592 I sent over, like, $500. 258 00:08:13,694 --> 00:08:15,727 - How are you sending him the money? 259 00:08:15,829 --> 00:08:17,329 - So I'm sending him the money 260 00:08:17,431 --> 00:08:20,165 through his friend's Cash App. 261 00:08:20,267 --> 00:08:23,268 - His friend's Cash App? 262 00:08:23,370 --> 00:08:24,903 ♪ ♪ 263 00:08:25,005 --> 00:08:26,104 Jason! 264 00:08:26,206 --> 00:08:29,074 - Well, he told me that his Cash App got blocked. 265 00:08:29,176 --> 00:08:31,409 - Who's his friend? - Her name is Amber. 266 00:08:31,512 --> 00:08:34,045 ♪ ♪ 267 00:08:34,147 --> 00:08:35,514 I tried to look her up, 268 00:08:35,616 --> 00:08:38,083 but I couldn't find anything on her. 269 00:08:38,185 --> 00:08:39,284 - And hold on. 270 00:08:39,386 --> 00:08:41,386 And you haven't talked on the phone to Mar 271 00:08:41,488 --> 00:08:43,355 in all of these months? 272 00:08:43,457 --> 00:08:44,589 - No, I haven't. No. 273 00:08:44,691 --> 00:08:46,691 Not at all. Just text messages. 274 00:08:46,793 --> 00:08:48,760 - Have you tried to get on a phone call with him? 275 00:08:48,862 --> 00:08:50,095 - I tried calling his phone. 276 00:08:50,197 --> 00:08:51,763 You know, it rang, and rang, and rang. 277 00:08:51,865 --> 00:08:53,465 And then it went to voice mail. 278 00:08:53,567 --> 00:08:55,600 So I'm thinking maybe he's at work 279 00:08:55,702 --> 00:08:57,068 or maybe he's busy. 280 00:08:57,170 --> 00:08:58,203 [tense music] 281 00:08:58,305 --> 00:08:59,204 - And what about social media? 282 00:08:59,306 --> 00:09:01,239 Does Mar have an Instagram or a Snapchat? 283 00:09:01,341 --> 00:09:03,642 - I tried to add him on those social media sites, 284 00:09:03,744 --> 00:09:05,744 but I couldn't find him personally. 285 00:09:05,846 --> 00:09:08,179 - And did you guys ever make plans to meet up? 286 00:09:08,282 --> 00:09:10,615 - We had planned something for him to come out here. 287 00:09:10,717 --> 00:09:12,717 I bought him a Greyhound ticket. 288 00:09:12,819 --> 00:09:14,753 I sat out there for almost two hours 289 00:09:14,855 --> 00:09:16,488 waiting on his bus. 290 00:09:16,590 --> 00:09:19,090 And he never came. 291 00:09:19,192 --> 00:09:20,625 So I called the phone, 292 00:09:20,727 --> 00:09:22,761 and a female picked up. 293 00:09:22,863 --> 00:09:24,229 And I'm like, 294 00:09:24,331 --> 00:09:25,430 "Who is this?" 295 00:09:25,532 --> 00:09:27,666 And she was like, "Who is this?" 296 00:09:27,768 --> 00:09:29,134 And then the phone hung up. 297 00:09:29,236 --> 00:09:30,569 [dramatic music] 298 00:09:30,671 --> 00:09:32,070 [laughter] 299 00:09:32,172 --> 00:09:33,705 - Jason! 300 00:09:33,807 --> 00:09:34,906 Jason! - Oh, my God, yes. 301 00:09:35,008 --> 00:09:37,342 - Do you see these red flags? 302 00:09:37,444 --> 00:09:39,444 - Yeah, I'm not gullible. I know. 303 00:09:39,546 --> 00:09:41,513 - There's no way. 304 00:09:41,615 --> 00:09:42,948 - Jason, you're a smart guy. 305 00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:44,716 What is it about this guy, Mar, 306 00:09:44,818 --> 00:09:47,319 that's so meaningful to you? 307 00:09:47,421 --> 00:09:50,021 - It's just like, you know, I have so much trust in him. 308 00:09:50,123 --> 00:09:51,957 - But where does that trust come from? 309 00:09:52,059 --> 00:09:54,059 How did he earn so much trust from you? 310 00:09:54,161 --> 00:09:57,329 - Okay, so I've always held this secret 311 00:09:57,431 --> 00:09:58,530 for 11 years. 312 00:09:58,632 --> 00:10:00,799 Um, I am HIV positive. 313 00:10:00,901 --> 00:10:02,500 So... - Wow. 314 00:10:02,603 --> 00:10:05,103 - When I told him I'm HIV positive, 315 00:10:05,205 --> 00:10:07,739 you know, you can either accept it or not. 316 00:10:07,841 --> 00:10:08,807 He texted back, like, 317 00:10:08,909 --> 00:10:10,041 "Oh, yeah. That's fine." 318 00:10:10,143 --> 00:10:11,676 And he said that he would take PREP. 319 00:10:11,778 --> 00:10:13,612 [soft music] 320 00:10:13,714 --> 00:10:15,847 Which--that really meant something to me 321 00:10:15,949 --> 00:10:18,917 'cause with someone living with HIV for 11 years, 322 00:10:19,019 --> 00:10:20,819 there's still a stereotype there. 323 00:10:20,921 --> 00:10:22,921 So when you have someone 324 00:10:23,023 --> 00:10:25,490 who is willing to take PREP, 325 00:10:25,592 --> 00:10:27,659 that really just did something to me. 326 00:10:27,761 --> 00:10:29,294 Mar was the first person I ever told 327 00:10:29,396 --> 00:10:32,297 that I was HIV positive in three years. 328 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:33,665 - Wow. 329 00:10:33,767 --> 00:10:37,202 - So I just accepted everything that was going on 330 00:10:37,304 --> 00:10:40,672 in hopes of "We're gonna build a future together." 331 00:10:40,774 --> 00:10:43,742 I just hope that something good comes out of this. 332 00:10:43,844 --> 00:10:46,077 I'm praying it will. 333 00:10:46,179 --> 00:10:47,012 - [sighs] 334 00:10:47,114 --> 00:10:48,346 Well, do you have pictures of Mar? 335 00:10:48,448 --> 00:10:50,115 - I only have two photos. 336 00:10:50,217 --> 00:10:51,783 [laughs] 337 00:10:51,885 --> 00:10:53,585 - Can we see the photos? 338 00:10:53,687 --> 00:10:55,086 - Yeah. Sure. 339 00:10:55,188 --> 00:10:57,055 [tense music] 340 00:10:57,157 --> 00:10:58,923 - Uh-huh... 341 00:10:59,026 --> 00:11:00,825 - This is a picture he sent you? 342 00:11:00,927 --> 00:11:03,028 - No, actually, I took that picture off of his profile. 343 00:11:03,130 --> 00:11:05,664 - So this was on Jack'd? - Yes. 344 00:11:05,766 --> 00:11:08,566 - So he never texted you actual photos? 345 00:11:08,669 --> 00:11:09,701 - There was one. Let me see. 346 00:11:09,803 --> 00:11:11,269 ♪ ♪ 347 00:11:11,371 --> 00:11:12,570 - Okay. 348 00:11:12,673 --> 00:11:14,272 - So he has sent you this one photo? 349 00:11:14,374 --> 00:11:15,674 - Yeah. 350 00:11:15,776 --> 00:11:17,275 - The fact that he can't even send you 351 00:11:17,377 --> 00:11:19,944 other pictures of him is weird. 352 00:11:20,047 --> 00:11:21,846 - Yeah. 353 00:11:21,948 --> 00:11:23,314 - I'm just trying to think is there any chance 354 00:11:23,417 --> 00:11:25,884 that it could be your ex-husband messing with you? 355 00:11:25,986 --> 00:11:27,485 - I don't know. I don't think it's him. 356 00:11:27,587 --> 00:11:29,921 - What if we find out Jason 357 00:11:30,023 --> 00:11:31,790 isn't the guy in the pictures? 358 00:11:31,892 --> 00:11:34,693 - It's gonna just destroy me. 359 00:11:34,795 --> 00:11:36,528 I can't have my heart broken again. 360 00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:38,563 I just need to know. 361 00:11:38,665 --> 00:11:40,999 - So why don't you let us do some research? 362 00:11:41,101 --> 00:11:42,500 Send us the info you have for Mar. 363 00:11:42,602 --> 00:11:43,868 - Okay. 364 00:11:43,970 --> 00:11:45,770 - We'll talk to you real soon. All right, Jason? 365 00:11:45,872 --> 00:11:47,605 - All righty. Thank you so much. 366 00:11:47,708 --> 00:11:48,773 - All right. - Okay, Jason. 367 00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:51,076 - Later. - Hang in there. 368 00:11:51,178 --> 00:11:53,244 - Oh, hell no. 369 00:11:53,346 --> 00:11:55,246 You could not write 370 00:11:55,348 --> 00:11:58,917 a more absurdly obvious catfish scenario. 371 00:11:59,019 --> 00:12:00,351 - [sighs] I know. 372 00:12:00,454 --> 00:12:03,221 But Jason is a really nice guy, and he deserves love. 373 00:12:03,323 --> 00:12:05,390 - No one deserves to be treated like this. 374 00:12:05,492 --> 00:12:06,758 This is crazy. 375 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:08,626 - Whether it's his ex-husband messing with him 376 00:12:08,729 --> 00:12:11,563 or anybody else taking advantage of him, 377 00:12:11,665 --> 00:12:12,864 it's not gonna be good. 378 00:12:14,167 --> 00:12:15,266 [upbeat music] 379 00:12:15,368 --> 00:12:16,234 [computer chimes] 380 00:12:16,336 --> 00:12:19,037 - Buenas tardes. 381 00:12:19,139 --> 00:12:20,305 - All right. 382 00:12:20,407 --> 00:12:23,141 We definitely have our hands full 383 00:12:23,243 --> 00:12:24,442 with this one, okay? 384 00:12:24,544 --> 00:12:27,378 Jason's boyfriend, "Mar"-- 385 00:12:27,481 --> 00:12:29,347 they've been talking now a couple months. 386 00:12:29,449 --> 00:12:30,582 They obviously haven't video chatted. 387 00:12:30,684 --> 00:12:32,383 They haven't talked on the phone. 388 00:12:32,486 --> 00:12:33,585 Most importantly, 389 00:12:33,687 --> 00:12:36,688 Mar asks for money all the time 390 00:12:36,790 --> 00:12:40,558 but uses a Cash App for his friend, who's a woman 391 00:12:40,660 --> 00:12:42,460 named Amber. - Mm-hmm. 392 00:12:42,562 --> 00:12:44,996 - And when Jason called, 393 00:12:45,098 --> 00:12:46,698 a woman answered the phone. 394 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,633 And of course, Mar said he was gonna come visit, 395 00:12:48,735 --> 00:12:50,468 and Jason paid for a bus ticket. 396 00:12:50,570 --> 00:12:52,337 That didn't happen. 397 00:12:52,439 --> 00:12:54,639 So, I mean, this whole thing is just a mess. 398 00:12:54,741 --> 00:12:56,207 - A mess. 399 00:12:56,309 --> 00:12:57,275 - All right. So, hey, hey. 400 00:12:57,377 --> 00:12:58,476 Here's an email from Jason. 401 00:12:58,578 --> 00:12:59,978 "Hey, Nev and Kamie. Thanks for your help. 402 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,946 His name is Mar." 403 00:13:02,048 --> 00:13:04,182 Doesn't even know his last name. 404 00:13:04,284 --> 00:13:05,316 We've got a phone number. 405 00:13:05,418 --> 00:13:06,317 And then, "The Cash App I've been 406 00:13:06,419 --> 00:13:07,919 "sending money to is... 407 00:13:08,021 --> 00:13:11,656 $amberbunny[bleep]." 408 00:13:11,758 --> 00:13:13,091 And then images. 409 00:13:13,193 --> 00:13:15,059 All right, well, let's do an image search. 410 00:13:15,162 --> 00:13:16,561 Let's search this one. 411 00:13:16,663 --> 00:13:18,263 - The one from his profile. - Right. 412 00:13:18,365 --> 00:13:19,664 So let's actually start with that one. 413 00:13:19,766 --> 00:13:21,266 ♪ ♪ 414 00:13:21,368 --> 00:13:22,934 Doesn't look like there's any hit with this. 415 00:13:23,036 --> 00:13:24,169 No hit there. 416 00:13:24,271 --> 00:13:25,737 Let's do the one in the mirror. 417 00:13:25,839 --> 00:13:28,640 ♪ ♪ 418 00:13:28,742 --> 00:13:31,442 No. - No. 419 00:13:31,545 --> 00:13:32,911 - Hold on. The only other thing 420 00:13:33,013 --> 00:13:34,579 I think we should do quickly 421 00:13:34,681 --> 00:13:36,681 is search this Cash App username. 422 00:13:36,783 --> 00:13:38,149 - Hm. 423 00:13:38,251 --> 00:13:40,151 - Let's take out the money sign. 424 00:13:40,253 --> 00:13:43,354 What about just "amber bunny [bleep]?" 425 00:13:43,456 --> 00:13:46,024 ♪ ♪ 426 00:13:46,126 --> 00:13:47,392 No results. 427 00:13:47,494 --> 00:13:48,993 - [whispers] Weird. 428 00:13:49,095 --> 00:13:50,195 - Do you have Cash App? 429 00:13:50,297 --> 00:13:51,663 - Mm-hmm. 430 00:13:51,765 --> 00:13:53,998 - Can you look her up on your app and see what happens? 431 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:55,500 - A picture comes up. 432 00:13:55,602 --> 00:13:58,002 - Oh, wait. Hold on. 433 00:13:58,104 --> 00:14:00,338 There we go. Huh. 434 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,307 - Uh-huh! 435 00:14:02,409 --> 00:14:04,709 What if I send you a screenshot 436 00:14:04,811 --> 00:14:06,611 of that Cash App picture and we run it? 437 00:14:06,713 --> 00:14:07,545 - Sure. 438 00:14:07,647 --> 00:14:09,214 Okay. Got it. 439 00:14:09,316 --> 00:14:12,217 [tense music] 440 00:14:12,319 --> 00:14:14,118 [grunts] 441 00:14:14,221 --> 00:14:15,720 ♪ ♪ 442 00:14:15,822 --> 00:14:17,956 No. 443 00:14:18,058 --> 00:14:19,090 All right. Phone search. 444 00:14:19,192 --> 00:14:23,461 ♪ ♪ 445 00:14:23,563 --> 00:14:24,762 - Ah. - Oh, here we go. 446 00:14:24,865 --> 00:14:25,964 Las Vegas. 447 00:14:26,066 --> 00:14:27,332 Potential owner... 448 00:14:27,434 --> 00:14:29,534 Eric D. [bleep] Jr. 449 00:14:29,636 --> 00:14:31,769 Well, that's promising. 450 00:14:31,872 --> 00:14:33,404 - Yeah. 451 00:14:33,506 --> 00:14:35,273 - And it looks like it's an actual cell phone, 452 00:14:35,375 --> 00:14:38,009 and not just some weird text app number. 453 00:14:38,111 --> 00:14:39,410 - But look at the age. 454 00:14:39,512 --> 00:14:40,478 [dramatic musical sting] 455 00:14:40,580 --> 00:14:42,180 - Ooh. 50. 456 00:14:42,282 --> 00:14:43,982 Well, that could be his dad. 457 00:14:44,084 --> 00:14:47,318 That would make sense if he's supposed to be 21. 458 00:14:47,420 --> 00:14:48,386 Relatives. 459 00:14:48,488 --> 00:14:50,421 Mary--oh! 460 00:14:50,523 --> 00:14:52,357 - Mary. - Mar. 461 00:14:52,459 --> 00:14:53,458 [dramatic musical sting] 462 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,128 - Mary has Mar in it. 463 00:14:57,230 --> 00:15:00,498 - I'm not ready to obviously make too much out of these yet 464 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,233 aside from the fact that... - Mm-hmm. 465 00:15:02,335 --> 00:15:03,968 - There's clearly some connection 466 00:15:04,070 --> 00:15:06,604 with the phone number that Jason has for Mar 467 00:15:06,706 --> 00:15:09,173 and this Eric [bleep] Jr. 468 00:15:09,276 --> 00:15:11,609 Why don't we go on Facebook 469 00:15:11,711 --> 00:15:15,179 and search Eric [bleep] Jr? 470 00:15:15,282 --> 00:15:16,915 Let's do city. 471 00:15:17,017 --> 00:15:19,384 Las Vegas. 472 00:15:19,486 --> 00:15:21,085 [tense music building] 473 00:15:21,187 --> 00:15:24,722 Oh. Eric D. [bleep] Jr! 474 00:15:24,824 --> 00:15:27,759 - That's him. - Whoa. 475 00:15:27,861 --> 00:15:29,360 - Oh, boy. 476 00:15:29,462 --> 00:15:30,728 - Look--it says right here. 477 00:15:30,830 --> 00:15:33,731 "Support local cops and security guards." 478 00:15:33,833 --> 00:15:36,668 Mar said that he worked security on the strip. 479 00:15:36,770 --> 00:15:39,437 Could this just be the guy? 480 00:15:39,539 --> 00:15:41,139 - Look. He's married. 481 00:15:41,241 --> 00:15:42,707 Has a family. 482 00:15:42,809 --> 00:15:46,577 Could be a middle-aged guy with a secret online life. 483 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,546 If I had to stop investigating right now, 484 00:15:48,648 --> 00:15:50,448 I would say there's a lot of reason to believe 485 00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:51,883 it could be this guy. 486 00:15:51,985 --> 00:15:55,553 - The chance of Mar actually just being 487 00:15:55,655 --> 00:15:57,789 an older guy who wants to experiment 488 00:15:57,891 --> 00:16:01,359 with his sexuality on a gay dating app-- 489 00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:04,295 it doesn't explain the Ubers and all that other [bleep]. 490 00:16:04,397 --> 00:16:06,931 Like, why is Mar asking Jason for money? 491 00:16:07,033 --> 00:16:08,967 - It's definitely weird. 492 00:16:09,069 --> 00:16:10,568 - That's super weird. 493 00:16:10,670 --> 00:16:13,137 - Here are the possibilities, right? 494 00:16:13,239 --> 00:16:16,007 There's always the possibility that it is in fact, Mar, 495 00:16:16,109 --> 00:16:17,809 the guy in the pictures. 496 00:16:17,911 --> 00:16:19,310 I can't completely rule that out, 497 00:16:19,412 --> 00:16:22,480 but I could say with a lot of confidence that's not the case. 498 00:16:22,582 --> 00:16:25,083 Then obviously, it could be this guy, 499 00:16:25,185 --> 00:16:27,018 Eric [bleep] Jr. 500 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,621 whose name is associated directly to the phone number. 501 00:16:30,724 --> 00:16:32,991 Eric also has a relative named Mary, 502 00:16:33,093 --> 00:16:36,594 which might be the connection to Mar. 503 00:16:36,696 --> 00:16:38,596 So there's a chance it could be Mary. 504 00:16:38,698 --> 00:16:40,398 [dramatic musical sting] 505 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:42,700 - And obviously, this Amber person. 506 00:16:42,802 --> 00:16:44,002 We don't even know who that is, 507 00:16:44,104 --> 00:16:44,869 if that is a person. 508 00:16:44,971 --> 00:16:46,671 - The only other thing is 509 00:16:46,773 --> 00:16:48,573 Jason's ex-husband... - [gasps] 510 00:16:48,675 --> 00:16:50,141 - Messing with him. 511 00:16:50,243 --> 00:16:53,211 Maybe he's broke and knows that Jason is generous 512 00:16:53,313 --> 00:16:56,114 and giving and can be easily taken advantage of. 513 00:16:56,216 --> 00:16:58,516 - We should've gotten more information about this ex. 514 00:16:58,618 --> 00:17:01,652 - Still just so many questions that we don't have answers for, 515 00:17:01,755 --> 00:17:03,688 and it still doesn't make any sense. 516 00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:05,857 All those little lies suggest to me 517 00:17:05,959 --> 00:17:08,493 that everything is a lie. 518 00:17:08,595 --> 00:17:10,328 [dramatic music] 519 00:17:11,731 --> 00:17:12,864 - So look. 520 00:17:12,966 --> 00:17:14,799 Let's bring Jason back into the Zoom. 521 00:17:14,901 --> 00:17:16,467 [funky music] 522 00:17:16,569 --> 00:17:18,002 Let's see. 523 00:17:18,104 --> 00:17:22,774 ♪ ♪ 524 00:17:22,876 --> 00:17:23,975 [computer chimes] 525 00:17:24,077 --> 00:17:25,576 - Hello. - There he is. 526 00:17:25,678 --> 00:17:27,945 Any changes, feelings, updates? 527 00:17:28,048 --> 00:17:30,581 - Just waiting to see what comes to all of this. 528 00:17:30,683 --> 00:17:31,749 - Yeah. 529 00:17:31,851 --> 00:17:33,985 So we'll show you what we did. 530 00:17:34,087 --> 00:17:35,787 But it just sort of raises more questions, 531 00:17:35,889 --> 00:17:37,989 but we'll go through it. - Okay. 532 00:17:38,091 --> 00:17:39,924 - When we ran the phone number, 533 00:17:40,026 --> 00:17:43,494 it came back as an actual cell phone in Las Vegas 534 00:17:43,596 --> 00:17:45,329 with an owner 535 00:17:45,432 --> 00:17:47,532 named Eric [bleep] Jr. 536 00:17:47,634 --> 00:17:48,699 - Hm. 537 00:17:48,802 --> 00:17:50,001 - Interestingly, though, 538 00:17:50,103 --> 00:17:51,736 in the relatives down here, 539 00:17:51,838 --> 00:17:54,505 there is someone named Mary. 540 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:56,374 Now it might just be a stretch 541 00:17:56,476 --> 00:17:59,343 to say that Mary and Mar... 542 00:17:59,446 --> 00:18:01,846 you know, obviously share three of four letters. 543 00:18:01,948 --> 00:18:04,682 Because you haven't talked to Mar on the phone, 544 00:18:04,784 --> 00:18:07,118 there is a chance that it could be a woman. 545 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:08,453 - Right. 546 00:18:08,555 --> 00:18:10,788 - Those names don't mean anything to you, do they? 547 00:18:10,890 --> 00:18:12,190 - No. Not at all. 548 00:18:12,292 --> 00:18:13,458 - Here's what's really interesting. 549 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,595 When we searched for Eric [bleep] Jr. on Facebook, 550 00:18:17,697 --> 00:18:19,730 we got a hit 551 00:18:19,833 --> 00:18:22,667 for a guy, Eric [bleep] Jr. 552 00:18:22,769 --> 00:18:24,702 And he looks about the same age 553 00:18:24,804 --> 00:18:26,304 as the guy in the phone search results. 554 00:18:26,406 --> 00:18:27,472 - Oh, wow. 555 00:18:27,574 --> 00:18:30,608 - So this has to be the guy who's connected 556 00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:32,243 to the phone number. 557 00:18:32,345 --> 00:18:33,811 - Wow. 558 00:18:33,913 --> 00:18:36,013 - It's unusual that when we run a phone number, 559 00:18:36,116 --> 00:18:38,816 we get a consistent match to a name 560 00:18:38,918 --> 00:18:40,685 and we find the Facebook page 561 00:18:40,787 --> 00:18:42,353 for that person in that city. 562 00:18:42,455 --> 00:18:44,822 If we were going by the technical evidence 563 00:18:44,924 --> 00:18:45,957 that we've been able to get, 564 00:18:46,059 --> 00:18:48,025 I would say this is your guy. 565 00:18:48,128 --> 00:18:49,861 - God, I hope not. 566 00:18:49,963 --> 00:18:52,597 - I'm assuming this guy is not your type. 567 00:18:52,699 --> 00:18:54,398 - Yeah, no, definitely not. 568 00:18:54,501 --> 00:18:56,567 - And look. He's a big cop supporter. 569 00:18:56,669 --> 00:18:59,137 "Support local cops and security guards." 570 00:18:59,239 --> 00:19:00,605 You said Mar is a security guard. 571 00:19:00,707 --> 00:19:02,006 - Ugh. 572 00:19:02,108 --> 00:19:04,075 - This guy is married and has a family. 573 00:19:04,177 --> 00:19:06,544 - Maybe he's on the DL. 574 00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:08,846 He doesn't wanna compromise his family life, 575 00:19:08,948 --> 00:19:11,182 so he made this fake profile on Jack'd 576 00:19:11,284 --> 00:19:13,084 and has been talking to younger guys. 577 00:19:13,186 --> 00:19:15,453 It's a possibility. 578 00:19:15,555 --> 00:19:17,255 - I--oh, my God. 579 00:19:17,357 --> 00:19:19,690 I'm just... 580 00:19:19,792 --> 00:19:21,559 Ugh. This is stressful. 581 00:19:21,661 --> 00:19:23,361 - Some other things we tried. 582 00:19:23,463 --> 00:19:24,795 We searched for amberbunny[bleep] 583 00:19:24,898 --> 00:19:26,197 different ways, 584 00:19:26,299 --> 00:19:28,099 with the money sign, with spaces. 585 00:19:28,201 --> 00:19:29,567 - Mm-hmm. - And we couldn't find 586 00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:30,902 anything that felt like a hit. 587 00:19:31,004 --> 00:19:32,236 And we did a search for the photo 588 00:19:32,338 --> 00:19:34,138 to see if maybe that was someone that we could find. 589 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,873 And we didn't get any hits there either. 590 00:19:35,975 --> 00:19:38,809 So all we've really got is this connection 591 00:19:38,912 --> 00:19:40,845 to Eric [bleep] Jr. 592 00:19:40,947 --> 00:19:41,946 [dramatic musical sting] 593 00:19:42,048 --> 00:19:45,183 But we usually consider 594 00:19:45,285 --> 00:19:49,654 that it's possible an ex could be involved. 595 00:19:49,756 --> 00:19:51,622 ♪ ♪ 596 00:19:51,724 --> 00:19:52,857 So this was soon after you 597 00:19:52,959 --> 00:19:54,525 and your husband separated, right? 598 00:19:54,627 --> 00:19:56,427 - A week after. - Whoa. 599 00:19:56,529 --> 00:19:58,996 Did he know you were going to Vegas? 600 00:19:59,098 --> 00:20:01,098 - Yeah, he knew I was going to Las Vegas. 601 00:20:01,201 --> 00:20:04,735 - You know, maybe he feels like there's still more life 602 00:20:04,837 --> 00:20:06,170 in your relationship. 603 00:20:06,272 --> 00:20:07,972 Could he have potentially been doing this 604 00:20:08,074 --> 00:20:09,440 to kind of get you back? 605 00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:12,843 - What was the final straw for the relationship? 606 00:20:12,946 --> 00:20:15,313 - When I had bought my second car, 607 00:20:15,415 --> 00:20:18,916 um, I let him use it, and he just never returned. 608 00:20:19,018 --> 00:20:20,184 [dramatic music] 609 00:20:20,286 --> 00:20:22,587 - He bounced? - Yeah. 610 00:20:22,689 --> 00:20:24,155 - What? 611 00:20:24,257 --> 00:20:27,058 - He stole your car. - Yeah. 612 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,760 And unfortunately, they said because it's my husband, 613 00:20:29,862 --> 00:20:31,529 it's not considered theft. 614 00:20:31,631 --> 00:20:32,697 - What? 615 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:35,366 - And he tried to call me 616 00:20:35,468 --> 00:20:37,835 a week and a half ago, but I didn't pick up. 617 00:20:37,937 --> 00:20:39,470 - I mean, we know he's messed with you. 618 00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:42,573 Maybe he's doing this to get more money from you. 619 00:20:42,675 --> 00:20:43,908 I don't know. 620 00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:46,110 - He never had a job when we were together. 621 00:20:46,212 --> 00:20:48,179 I mean, like I said, he called a week and a half ago. 622 00:20:48,281 --> 00:20:50,715 And the only time he calls 623 00:20:50,817 --> 00:20:52,583 is for money. 624 00:20:52,685 --> 00:20:54,652 - I wouldn't put it past him 625 00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:57,221 to potentially be doing this. 626 00:20:57,323 --> 00:20:59,223 - If he were to have made this profile, 627 00:20:59,325 --> 00:21:03,127 he would've known how to cater the interests 628 00:21:03,229 --> 00:21:04,795 to something that you might like. 629 00:21:04,897 --> 00:21:07,465 - I mean, my--I--ugh. 630 00:21:07,567 --> 00:21:09,267 I'm kind of tongue-tied right now. 631 00:21:09,369 --> 00:21:13,004 - Now between Eric and your ex-husband, 632 00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:16,474 I'd have to lean towards your ex-husband 633 00:21:16,576 --> 00:21:18,676 if I had to make a decision right now 634 00:21:18,778 --> 00:21:20,211 based on what you've told us. 635 00:21:20,313 --> 00:21:23,648 But, like, that's where we're at. 636 00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:26,384 - What are the chances that maybe this is just 637 00:21:26,486 --> 00:21:30,021 a girl that makes these fake profiles 638 00:21:30,123 --> 00:21:31,722 on random dating apps? 639 00:21:31,824 --> 00:21:34,025 And it doesn't who it's targeting 640 00:21:34,127 --> 00:21:36,761 but scams through Jack'd and other apps. 641 00:21:36,863 --> 00:21:39,597 For you, she's using the name Amber on Cash App. 642 00:21:39,699 --> 00:21:41,332 I mean, could that be Mary? 643 00:21:41,434 --> 00:21:44,402 Or Amber? - Who knows? 644 00:21:44,504 --> 00:21:46,671 - This is crazy. 645 00:21:46,773 --> 00:21:47,938 [sighs] 646 00:21:48,041 --> 00:21:49,173 - ♪ I gotta stop pretending ♪ 647 00:21:49,275 --> 00:21:50,675 ♪ People wouldn't let me down ♪ 648 00:21:50,777 --> 00:21:52,043 [EST's "Fresh Out of Love"] 649 00:21:52,145 --> 00:21:54,111 - What human being gets up in the morning and says, 650 00:21:54,213 --> 00:21:56,414 "Oh, let me mess with somebody's heart and emotions?" 651 00:21:56,516 --> 00:21:59,183 And it's not sitting right with my stomach. 652 00:21:59,285 --> 00:22:00,985 I mean... [sighs] 653 00:22:01,087 --> 00:22:04,755 - ♪ I wasn't really looking when I saw the warning signs ♪ 654 00:22:04,857 --> 00:22:07,058 - I thought that, you know, we would get, you know, 655 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,627 to a point to where, you know, at least something 656 00:22:09,729 --> 00:22:13,164 was pointing towards, you know, this is actually Mar. 657 00:22:13,266 --> 00:22:16,000 But it seems like it's pointing somewhere else. 658 00:22:16,102 --> 00:22:17,401 - ♪ Because I'm... ♪ 659 00:22:17,503 --> 00:22:19,136 - Someone's trying to hide something. 660 00:22:19,238 --> 00:22:22,073 - ♪ Fresh out of love ♪ 661 00:22:22,175 --> 00:22:24,108 ♪ I'm all used up ♪ 662 00:22:24,210 --> 00:22:25,443 ♪ Don't have enough ♪ 663 00:22:25,545 --> 00:22:28,279 ♪ I'm fresh out of love ♪ 664 00:22:29,415 --> 00:22:30,614 - This is crazy. 665 00:22:30,717 --> 00:22:32,283 [sighs] 666 00:22:32,385 --> 00:22:33,784 - I mean, look. Jason. 667 00:22:33,886 --> 00:22:34,952 When we talked to you earlier, 668 00:22:35,054 --> 00:22:36,954 you were very hopeful 669 00:22:37,056 --> 00:22:39,990 that this guy, Mar, was who he said he was. 670 00:22:40,093 --> 00:22:41,792 How do you feel about Mar now? 671 00:22:41,894 --> 00:22:43,127 - I'm still hopeful. 672 00:22:43,229 --> 00:22:45,262 I mean, I'm getting a little worried 673 00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:47,164 'cause it seems like things aren't pointing 674 00:22:47,266 --> 00:22:49,767 to this actual person. 675 00:22:49,869 --> 00:22:51,001 But I still love him. 676 00:22:51,104 --> 00:22:53,504 You know, regardless of the facts. 677 00:22:53,606 --> 00:22:55,506 - I think it's time 678 00:22:55,608 --> 00:22:57,074 to hit up Mar. 679 00:22:57,176 --> 00:22:58,242 [tense music] 680 00:22:58,344 --> 00:23:00,911 But are you ready for that, Jason? 681 00:23:01,013 --> 00:23:03,147 - Yeah. Definitely. 682 00:23:03,249 --> 00:23:04,248 - We should call... - [gasps] 683 00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:05,583 - From a number they don't have. 684 00:23:05,685 --> 00:23:06,984 - Okay. 685 00:23:07,086 --> 00:23:09,220 - Let's give it a shot, see what happens. 686 00:23:09,322 --> 00:23:11,021 - Okay. - What are you gonna say? 687 00:23:11,124 --> 00:23:12,490 - What do I--I don't know. What do I say? 688 00:23:12,592 --> 00:23:13,624 "I'm looking for Mar?" 689 00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:14,959 - No. Say somebody else. 690 00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:16,160 - Yeah, but then if they're just like, 691 00:23:16,262 --> 00:23:17,495 "Sorry, wrong number," then what do I do? 692 00:23:17,597 --> 00:23:19,764 - Be like, "Hey, I just got a call from this number. 693 00:23:19,866 --> 00:23:21,065 Who is this?" 694 00:23:21,167 --> 00:23:22,867 - Well, here goes nothing. 695 00:23:22,969 --> 00:23:25,236 [line trilling] 696 00:23:25,338 --> 00:23:26,704 [whispers] Can you guys hear it? 697 00:23:26,806 --> 00:23:28,572 [ominous music] 698 00:23:28,674 --> 00:23:30,040 [rustling over phone] 699 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:34,545 ♪ ♪ 700 00:23:34,647 --> 00:23:35,413 - Hey. 701 00:23:35,515 --> 00:23:36,881 I just got a call from this number. 702 00:23:36,983 --> 00:23:39,183 I'm just calling you back. 703 00:23:39,285 --> 00:23:40,551 [line disconnects] 704 00:23:40,653 --> 00:23:42,887 Oh. - [gasps] 705 00:23:42,989 --> 00:23:45,689 It was a girl! 706 00:23:45,792 --> 00:23:46,957 - Wow. 707 00:23:47,059 --> 00:23:48,025 - Was that the same female voice 708 00:23:48,127 --> 00:23:49,693 that answered the first time? 709 00:23:49,796 --> 00:23:50,928 - That's the same voice. 710 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:52,329 - Interesting. 711 00:23:52,432 --> 00:23:53,798 Should I try back and see what happens? 712 00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:55,533 - [sighs] 713 00:23:55,635 --> 00:23:57,134 - And just explain it? - Yeah. 714 00:23:57,236 --> 00:23:58,636 - I won't be shady this time. 715 00:23:58,738 --> 00:24:01,071 [line trilling] 716 00:24:01,174 --> 00:24:04,275 [tense music] 717 00:24:06,579 --> 00:24:09,113 - Hey, sorry about that. I think I was confused. 718 00:24:09,215 --> 00:24:12,216 Um, I was looking for Mar, 719 00:24:12,318 --> 00:24:14,785 but maybe I have the wrong number. 720 00:24:16,189 --> 00:24:17,721 - My name is Nev. 721 00:24:17,824 --> 00:24:20,991 I'm a friend of Jason. 722 00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:24,628 I'm actually the host of the show "Catfish." 723 00:24:24,730 --> 00:24:26,697 ♪ ♪ 724 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:27,631 [line disconnects] 725 00:24:27,733 --> 00:24:29,700 Oh. - Oh, my God. 726 00:24:29,802 --> 00:24:31,836 [dramatic music] 727 00:24:31,938 --> 00:24:33,471 - I should just text her. - Yeah. 728 00:24:33,573 --> 00:24:36,307 - All right. - Say, "The jig is up, shorty." 729 00:24:36,409 --> 00:24:38,075 - This is just crazy. 730 00:24:38,177 --> 00:24:39,944 - "So like I was saying, my name is Nev, 731 00:24:40,046 --> 00:24:41,245 "and I'm the host of the show 'Catfish.' 732 00:24:41,347 --> 00:24:42,513 "I'm trying to help a guy named Jason 733 00:24:42,615 --> 00:24:44,281 "get in touch with his friend, Mar. 734 00:24:44,383 --> 00:24:46,650 "It seems that you are the person Jason has been texting 735 00:24:46,752 --> 00:24:49,220 and are obviously not who he thinks you are." 736 00:24:49,322 --> 00:24:50,821 All right. So I'm gonna send this. 737 00:24:50,923 --> 00:24:52,089 - Okay. 738 00:24:52,191 --> 00:24:53,691 - And let's just see what happens. 739 00:24:53,793 --> 00:24:55,359 - This is crazy. 740 00:24:55,461 --> 00:24:57,828 - So that message was read just now. 741 00:24:57,930 --> 00:24:59,029 - Okay. 742 00:24:59,131 --> 00:25:00,664 - I mean, it's hard to understand 743 00:25:00,766 --> 00:25:03,234 why the phone number you've been texting 744 00:25:03,336 --> 00:25:04,568 would be in the hands of a woman, 745 00:25:04,670 --> 00:25:06,070 not just the one time you called, 746 00:25:06,172 --> 00:25:07,037 but now another time. 747 00:25:07,139 --> 00:25:08,572 - Right. 748 00:25:08,674 --> 00:25:09,773 - Although the phone is registered to Eric, 749 00:25:09,876 --> 00:25:12,209 a woman named Mary is listed as a relative. 750 00:25:12,311 --> 00:25:14,411 It could be a family plan. Mary, Mar. 751 00:25:14,514 --> 00:25:15,813 - It's just not adding up. 752 00:25:15,915 --> 00:25:17,448 - And for her to answer with such confidence, 753 00:25:17,550 --> 00:25:20,084 I think obviously the phone belongs to a woman. 754 00:25:20,186 --> 00:25:21,585 - But why go through all this trouble? 755 00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:22,920 That's what I don't understand, like-- 756 00:25:23,022 --> 00:25:24,388 [sighs] 757 00:25:24,490 --> 00:25:27,691 - I feel like we're past the point of being optimistic. 758 00:25:27,793 --> 00:25:30,094 And now it's time to turn our sights 759 00:25:30,196 --> 00:25:32,429 into being stern. 760 00:25:32,532 --> 00:25:33,564 - Yeah. 761 00:25:33,666 --> 00:25:35,599 - I think today has obviously been a lot, 762 00:25:35,701 --> 00:25:38,269 and we should pick back up on it tomorrow 763 00:25:38,371 --> 00:25:40,971 with fresh eyes and, like, a fresh mind. 764 00:25:41,073 --> 00:25:43,541 But I want for you to really think about 765 00:25:43,643 --> 00:25:44,808 what it is that you're planning 766 00:25:44,911 --> 00:25:46,710 on saying to this person, because... 767 00:25:46,812 --> 00:25:47,845 - Okay. 768 00:25:47,947 --> 00:25:49,113 - The likelihood of this ending up 769 00:25:49,215 --> 00:25:50,714 the way that you want it to-- 770 00:25:50,816 --> 00:25:51,949 it's not feeling good. 771 00:25:52,051 --> 00:25:53,484 - Yeah. 772 00:25:53,586 --> 00:25:54,852 - Let's give whoever this is 773 00:25:54,954 --> 00:25:56,353 a chance to think about it too 774 00:25:56,455 --> 00:25:58,756 and check back in in the morning. 775 00:25:58,858 --> 00:26:00,024 - Okay. Awesome. 776 00:26:00,126 --> 00:26:01,325 - All right. Good night, Jason. 777 00:26:01,427 --> 00:26:02,660 - All righty. Good night, guys. 778 00:26:02,762 --> 00:26:04,495 - Good night. 779 00:26:04,597 --> 00:26:05,930 Poor thing. 780 00:26:06,032 --> 00:26:08,032 He's been through enough. - Yeah. 781 00:26:08,134 --> 00:26:10,634 Hopefully, we can get some answers for him soon. 782 00:26:10,736 --> 00:26:12,670 I'll let you know if I hear anything 783 00:26:12,772 --> 00:26:15,105 from Mystery "Mar." 784 00:26:15,207 --> 00:26:16,173 - "Mystery Mary." 785 00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:17,374 - Yeah. - All right. 786 00:26:17,476 --> 00:26:19,343 - Okay, bye. - Byeee. 787 00:26:19,445 --> 00:26:20,878 [line disconnects] 788 00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:22,246 [insects chirping] 789 00:26:22,348 --> 00:26:24,415 - I still love him. 790 00:26:24,517 --> 00:26:25,916 I will always love him. 791 00:26:26,018 --> 00:26:27,651 You know... 792 00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:31,722 But I just wanna-- I just need answers, you know? 793 00:26:31,824 --> 00:26:33,123 I really hope it's him. 794 00:26:33,225 --> 00:26:35,025 I'd be heartbroken, like I said, 795 00:26:35,127 --> 00:26:37,294 if it doesn't go the way I want it to go. 796 00:26:37,396 --> 00:26:38,929 All right. Thank you. 797 00:26:39,031 --> 00:26:40,698 [tense music] 798 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,899 [computer chimes] 799 00:26:42,001 --> 00:26:42,967 [computer chimes] 800 00:26:43,069 --> 00:26:45,269 - Hey. 801 00:26:45,371 --> 00:26:47,738 I got big news. - What's the tea? 802 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,839 - Check this out. 803 00:26:48,941 --> 00:26:51,775 I just got a text from Mar. 804 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:55,879 [dramatic music] 805 00:26:55,982 --> 00:26:58,816 "I may have [bleep] up, but so did he." 806 00:26:58,918 --> 00:27:00,584 ♪ ♪ 807 00:27:00,686 --> 00:27:01,919 - It's the ex. 808 00:27:02,021 --> 00:27:03,988 - It's the ex! - It's the ex. 809 00:27:04,090 --> 00:27:05,222 - "Whoa. 810 00:27:05,324 --> 00:27:08,459 "Wasn't expecting that. 811 00:27:08,561 --> 00:27:12,429 Can you be a bit more specific?" 812 00:27:12,531 --> 00:27:14,164 - But this is the same number 813 00:27:14,266 --> 00:27:15,432 of the woman who answered the phone, 814 00:27:15,534 --> 00:27:16,967 so it can't be the ex. 815 00:27:17,069 --> 00:27:19,203 What girl has he [bleep] up with? 816 00:27:19,305 --> 00:27:20,371 - Well, that's why now at this point, 817 00:27:20,473 --> 00:27:22,773 I'm always so tempted to just assume 818 00:27:22,875 --> 00:27:24,541 everyone's lying. 819 00:27:24,644 --> 00:27:28,145 Even though Jason's story seemed so sad 820 00:27:28,247 --> 00:27:30,514 and he's like this poor little puppy dog 821 00:27:30,616 --> 00:27:31,982 who just wants to be loved, 822 00:27:32,084 --> 00:27:33,550 is he? 823 00:27:33,653 --> 00:27:35,853 Is Jason completely innocent here? 824 00:27:35,955 --> 00:27:37,421 - I'ma let you handle this. 825 00:27:37,523 --> 00:27:38,422 - Let me text him. 826 00:27:38,524 --> 00:27:39,990 - I'ma mind my business. 827 00:27:40,092 --> 00:27:41,091 [dramatic music] 828 00:27:41,193 --> 00:27:42,292 - "Morning." 829 00:27:42,395 --> 00:27:43,861 - "We need to talk." 830 00:27:43,963 --> 00:27:45,329 - "We gotta talk." 831 00:27:45,431 --> 00:27:47,164 [keys clacking] 832 00:27:47,266 --> 00:27:48,766 - [sighs] 833 00:27:48,868 --> 00:27:51,368 He better not be lying to us either. 834 00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:52,670 [computer chimes] Oh. 835 00:27:52,772 --> 00:27:53,671 - Hi. 836 00:27:53,773 --> 00:27:55,706 - Good morning. How'd you sleep? 837 00:27:55,808 --> 00:27:56,640 - [sighs] 838 00:27:56,742 --> 00:27:58,442 I tossed and turned all night. 839 00:27:58,544 --> 00:28:01,178 Just having this conflict on my mind, 840 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,348 I mean, I'm just stressed. 841 00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:06,250 ♪ ♪ 842 00:28:06,352 --> 00:28:07,484 - Oh, well listen. 843 00:28:07,586 --> 00:28:10,721 We got a text back from "Mar" this morning. 844 00:28:10,823 --> 00:28:12,222 - Okay. 845 00:28:12,324 --> 00:28:15,059 - And the text said, 846 00:28:15,161 --> 00:28:18,796 "If you want to know who the catfish is... 847 00:28:18,898 --> 00:28:20,831 "Ask Jason. 848 00:28:20,933 --> 00:28:22,866 "I may have [bleep] up, 849 00:28:22,968 --> 00:28:24,735 but so did he." 850 00:28:24,837 --> 00:28:27,738 [dramatic music] 851 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,374 ♪ ♪ 852 00:28:30,476 --> 00:28:32,743 - Um... 853 00:28:32,845 --> 00:28:35,979 I mean... 854 00:28:36,082 --> 00:28:39,216 [sighs] 855 00:28:39,318 --> 00:28:41,351 I don't know. 856 00:28:41,454 --> 00:28:44,288 I mean, I just don't know, to be honest. 857 00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:45,723 - Okay. 858 00:28:45,825 --> 00:28:48,058 It just feels like we're not getting the whole story. 859 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,394 I'm not sure what else we can do to help 860 00:28:50,496 --> 00:28:52,896 if you don't unlock whatever 861 00:28:52,998 --> 00:28:55,132 missing piece of this puzzle we need. 862 00:28:55,234 --> 00:28:56,567 [dramatic music] 863 00:28:58,037 --> 00:28:59,737 - We got a text back from "Mar." 864 00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:02,606 "I may have [bleep] up, but so did he." 865 00:29:02,708 --> 00:29:05,375 Jason, is there something you're not telling us? 866 00:29:05,478 --> 00:29:07,778 It just feels like we're not getting the whole story. 867 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,781 [dramatic music] 868 00:29:10,883 --> 00:29:13,550 ♪ ♪ 869 00:29:13,652 --> 00:29:15,786 - Um... 870 00:29:15,888 --> 00:29:17,154 I mean... 871 00:29:17,256 --> 00:29:19,156 ♪ ♪ 872 00:29:19,258 --> 00:29:21,258 [sighs] 873 00:29:23,395 --> 00:29:25,329 I don't know. 874 00:29:25,431 --> 00:29:28,799 Did I harm someone and not even realize it? 875 00:29:28,901 --> 00:29:30,801 And--and--and, you know, 876 00:29:30,903 --> 00:29:31,969 I don't know. 877 00:29:32,071 --> 00:29:35,839 - Mar seems to be a woman 878 00:29:35,941 --> 00:29:39,009 with whom you've had some sort of history. 879 00:29:39,111 --> 00:29:40,711 - Have you dated girls in the past? 880 00:29:40,813 --> 00:29:41,879 ♪ ♪ 881 00:29:41,981 --> 00:29:44,114 - Um, one. 882 00:29:44,216 --> 00:29:45,449 [suspenseful music] 883 00:29:45,551 --> 00:29:46,483 - When was that? 884 00:29:46,585 --> 00:29:48,685 - Um... 885 00:29:48,788 --> 00:29:50,487 ♪ ♪ 886 00:29:50,589 --> 00:29:52,189 Like, a year ago. 887 00:29:52,291 --> 00:29:53,457 - Wait, but hold on a second. 888 00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:55,692 You were married. You had an affair? 889 00:29:55,795 --> 00:29:57,628 - Oh. - With a woman? 890 00:29:57,730 --> 00:29:59,163 - [stuttering] 891 00:29:59,265 --> 00:30:00,364 No. 892 00:30:00,466 --> 00:30:03,267 I don't know. I wouldn't call it an affair. 893 00:30:03,369 --> 00:30:04,868 ♪ ♪ 894 00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:07,137 I mean, there was no sexual intimacy. 895 00:30:07,239 --> 00:30:08,405 I mean, yeah, we kissed. 896 00:30:08,507 --> 00:30:10,808 But, I mean, I don't look at that as sexual. 897 00:30:10,910 --> 00:30:13,043 - What? - I mean... 898 00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:14,878 it never went that far. 899 00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:16,613 - But Jason, did this woman think 900 00:30:16,715 --> 00:30:19,449 she was in a romantic relationship with you? 901 00:30:19,552 --> 00:30:21,385 - I don't--I don't know. 902 00:30:21,487 --> 00:30:23,654 - Did he know that you were married to a man? 903 00:30:23,756 --> 00:30:25,155 - No. 904 00:30:25,257 --> 00:30:27,724 - Jason, when we asked you, 905 00:30:27,827 --> 00:30:30,861 "Could this be someone that you know or from the past?" 906 00:30:30,963 --> 00:30:33,197 like, you didn't mention that you had 907 00:30:33,299 --> 00:30:35,632 some sort of a romantic engagement 908 00:30:35,734 --> 00:30:38,268 with this woman while you were married, 909 00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:40,137 which would not only potentially give 910 00:30:40,239 --> 00:30:42,806 your ex-husband a reason to be upset with you, 911 00:30:42,908 --> 00:30:44,775 but also this woman. 912 00:30:44,877 --> 00:30:47,277 - I don't know. 913 00:30:47,379 --> 00:30:49,146 - Hopefully, her name was not Mary. 914 00:30:49,248 --> 00:30:51,014 - Uh, no, Her name was [bleep]. 915 00:30:51,116 --> 00:30:52,382 - Are you in touch with her anymore? 916 00:30:52,484 --> 00:30:53,383 - No. 917 00:30:53,485 --> 00:30:55,118 - Did she ask for money for anything? 918 00:30:55,221 --> 00:30:56,253 - I mean, yeah. She asked for money, 919 00:30:56,355 --> 00:30:58,522 you know, for, you know, uh, 920 00:30:58,624 --> 00:31:01,391 personal things and, you know, I gave it to her. 921 00:31:01,493 --> 00:31:04,361 - When you called Mar and a woman picked up, 922 00:31:04,463 --> 00:31:06,330 could that be the same person? 923 00:31:06,432 --> 00:31:08,532 - I mean, you could be right. 924 00:31:08,634 --> 00:31:10,400 It might be her. 925 00:31:10,502 --> 00:31:12,336 I don't think it's my ex-husband. 926 00:31:12,438 --> 00:31:14,104 - It could be both of them. 927 00:31:14,206 --> 00:31:16,540 Who knows who it is, but like, 928 00:31:16,642 --> 00:31:19,676 clearly, this person, whatever they have to say, 929 00:31:19,778 --> 00:31:21,578 it might not be good. 930 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,213 - [sighs] 931 00:31:23,315 --> 00:31:26,350 I just don't know what I did to hurt whoever it is 932 00:31:26,452 --> 00:31:27,951 to even go to this point, 933 00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:29,686 to even be sitting here talking to you guys. 934 00:31:29,788 --> 00:31:31,989 You know? 935 00:31:32,091 --> 00:31:34,358 I need to know who this person is. 936 00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:37,027 - Even if it means airing out 937 00:31:37,129 --> 00:31:39,763 some of your own dirty laundry? 938 00:31:39,865 --> 00:31:41,465 [tense music] 939 00:31:41,567 --> 00:31:43,267 - Yeah. 940 00:31:43,369 --> 00:31:44,268 - Oh. 941 00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:45,469 I'm ready to find out if you are. 942 00:31:45,571 --> 00:31:47,905 - Our text message from this morning 943 00:31:48,007 --> 00:31:49,206 has gone unread. 944 00:31:49,308 --> 00:31:50,841 - I think we should call. 945 00:31:50,943 --> 00:31:52,175 - Yeah. 946 00:31:52,278 --> 00:31:53,076 - All right. I'm gonna try it. 947 00:31:53,178 --> 00:31:58,048 [line trilling] 948 00:31:58,150 --> 00:32:00,851 - You have reached the voicemail box of 7-- 949 00:32:00,953 --> 00:32:02,185 - All right. 950 00:32:02,288 --> 00:32:05,055 I'll follow up with a text. 951 00:32:05,157 --> 00:32:07,724 I'm being nice because I wanna obviously 952 00:32:07,826 --> 00:32:09,793 encourage them to respond. 953 00:32:09,895 --> 00:32:11,895 - Butter 'em up. Butter 'em up. 954 00:32:11,997 --> 00:32:13,864 - Okay. Oh, check it out. 955 00:32:13,966 --> 00:32:16,833 "Okay, how do we do this?" 956 00:32:16,936 --> 00:32:18,368 ♪ ♪ 957 00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:20,971 I said, "Can you join a Zoom with me and Kamie?" 958 00:32:21,073 --> 00:32:22,873 - [sighs] This is crazy. 959 00:32:22,975 --> 00:32:24,174 - Oh, they're writing. Oh, God. 960 00:32:24,276 --> 00:32:25,509 Oh.- Jason there? 961 00:32:25,611 --> 00:32:28,278 It's time for him to know the truth." 962 00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:29,146 [yelps] 963 00:32:29,248 --> 00:32:31,915 - Wow, okay. - Wow. 964 00:32:32,017 --> 00:32:33,784 - Okay, well, 965 00:32:33,886 --> 00:32:35,485 they've decided, Jason. 966 00:32:35,587 --> 00:32:36,954 - Here we go. 967 00:32:37,056 --> 00:32:38,889 - Deep breath, Jason. Deep breath. 968 00:32:38,991 --> 00:32:40,023 [dramatic music] 969 00:32:40,125 --> 00:32:42,092 - I'm so nervous. 970 00:32:42,194 --> 00:32:44,194 I feel like I'm gonna throw up. 971 00:32:44,296 --> 00:32:45,896 It's just the wait, like, come on. 972 00:32:45,998 --> 00:32:49,466 Pop in so I can see who you are. 973 00:32:49,568 --> 00:32:51,568 - If it is Mar, I'm gonna fall out of my chair. 974 00:32:51,670 --> 00:32:52,869 There is no way. 975 00:32:52,972 --> 00:32:55,872 - Oh, my God. 976 00:32:55,975 --> 00:32:57,007 ♪ ♪ 977 00:32:57,109 --> 00:32:58,208 [computer chimes] 978 00:32:59,445 --> 00:33:00,978 [suspenseful music] 979 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,447 - Deep breath, Jason. Deep breath. 980 00:33:03,549 --> 00:33:05,983 - I'm so nervous. 981 00:33:06,085 --> 00:33:07,818 I feel like I'm gonna throw up. 982 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,686 [computer chimes] 983 00:33:09,788 --> 00:33:12,222 [dramatic music] 984 00:33:12,324 --> 00:33:14,257 - What? What's tea? 985 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,828 - Oh! 986 00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:18,795 - God. - What? 987 00:33:18,897 --> 00:33:20,497 - Oh, my God. That's crazy. 988 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:22,699 - Get the [bleep] out of here. 989 00:33:22,801 --> 00:33:25,002 - [laughing] 990 00:33:25,104 --> 00:33:26,803 Ugh! - I mean... 991 00:33:26,905 --> 00:33:29,373 Do I have to, like, clean my computer screen? 992 00:33:29,475 --> 00:33:31,942 Am I seeing this right? 993 00:33:32,044 --> 00:33:33,443 - I can't. 994 00:33:33,545 --> 00:33:35,345 - Hello. Uh, I'm not sure what to say. 995 00:33:35,447 --> 00:33:36,913 We're all a little dumbfounded here. 996 00:33:37,016 --> 00:33:38,949 - Are you serious? 997 00:33:39,051 --> 00:33:41,451 - Mar, is that your name? 998 00:33:41,553 --> 00:33:43,754 - No. My name is actually Omar. 999 00:33:43,856 --> 00:33:45,122 Omar. - Oh, that makes sense. 1000 00:33:45,224 --> 00:33:46,957 Okay. I see that now. 1001 00:33:47,059 --> 00:33:48,425 - Mm-hmm. 1002 00:33:48,527 --> 00:33:51,495 Yeah, I'm 21. I live in Vegas. 1003 00:33:51,597 --> 00:33:53,263 - And has it been you the whole time? 1004 00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:55,732 - Yeah, it's been me this whole time. 1005 00:33:55,834 --> 00:33:57,634 [tense music] 1006 00:33:57,736 --> 00:33:59,202 - Who was the woman that answered the phone? 1007 00:33:59,304 --> 00:34:00,670 - It was my roommate. 1008 00:34:00,773 --> 00:34:03,507 - Is there a reason that you had her answer or just... 1009 00:34:03,609 --> 00:34:05,275 - When it's numbers that I don't know, 1010 00:34:05,377 --> 00:34:06,610 I just have other people answer. 1011 00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:09,646 - I mean, that's a little shady. 1012 00:34:09,748 --> 00:34:11,481 Are you hiding from someone? 1013 00:34:11,583 --> 00:34:14,951 Why have you been so mysterious this whole time? 1014 00:34:15,054 --> 00:34:18,021 - I just didn't want him to know who I am, 1015 00:34:18,123 --> 00:34:20,323 like, my name and everything. 1016 00:34:20,426 --> 00:34:21,858 [tense music] 1017 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,693 That's the reason why I was having him 1018 00:34:23,796 --> 00:34:25,929 Cash App my friend instead of me. 1019 00:34:26,031 --> 00:34:28,498 - But what would be so bad about him knowing your name? 1020 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,033 I don't get it. 1021 00:34:30,135 --> 00:34:32,335 - I didn't want him to, like, 1022 00:34:32,438 --> 00:34:34,371 think that I was really, like, 1023 00:34:34,473 --> 00:34:36,106 wanting to really, really be with him, 1024 00:34:36,208 --> 00:34:38,008 and I didn't wanna be with him. 1025 00:34:38,110 --> 00:34:39,142 - What? 1026 00:34:39,244 --> 00:34:41,178 - But why would you text me 1027 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,547 and tell me that you love me 1028 00:34:43,649 --> 00:34:44,781 and you wanna get married? 1029 00:34:44,883 --> 00:34:47,451 Like, I mean, why would you do that? 1030 00:34:47,553 --> 00:34:49,319 - Because you kept sending money, 1031 00:34:49,421 --> 00:34:50,754 so why not? 1032 00:34:50,856 --> 00:34:52,756 And you had never expected me to Facetime you 1033 00:34:52,858 --> 00:34:55,092 or none of that, so, you know? 1034 00:34:55,194 --> 00:34:57,094 It was easy money. 1035 00:34:57,196 --> 00:34:59,496 He's pretty much, you know, my sugar daddy. 1036 00:34:59,598 --> 00:35:00,864 - Sugar daddy? 1037 00:35:00,966 --> 00:35:02,466 I wish I could come through the screen right now. 1038 00:35:02,568 --> 00:35:04,234 Sugar daddy. That's funny. 1039 00:35:04,336 --> 00:35:05,368 - I can own up to it. 1040 00:35:05,471 --> 00:35:06,770 I used him for his money. 1041 00:35:06,872 --> 00:35:08,872 And, you know, it's a pandemic. 1042 00:35:08,974 --> 00:35:10,574 You know, he was a good target. 1043 00:35:10,676 --> 00:35:13,143 And I feel like he's stupid. 1044 00:35:13,245 --> 00:35:16,246 Like, come on now. What other way I could say it? 1045 00:35:16,348 --> 00:35:17,547 Like, he's really stupid. 1046 00:35:17,649 --> 00:35:19,683 [keys clacking aggressively] 1047 00:35:19,785 --> 00:35:21,518 And that's no tea, no shade. 1048 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:22,719 Like, there's no tea. 1049 00:35:22,821 --> 00:35:24,054 - But you led-- but you led me on. 1050 00:35:24,156 --> 00:35:26,490 You led me on, I mean. 1051 00:35:26,592 --> 00:35:27,924 - Do you have a job? 1052 00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:29,292 - I work on the Strip. 1053 00:35:29,394 --> 00:35:31,895 - So what did you do with all this money that I sent you? 1054 00:35:31,997 --> 00:35:36,099 - Um, you know, bought me expensive stuff, shoes. 1055 00:35:36,201 --> 00:35:38,502 Honestly, I told you I needed an Uber, 1056 00:35:38,604 --> 00:35:39,603 but I didn't need an Uber. 1057 00:35:39,705 --> 00:35:41,071 I got a whole car. 1058 00:35:41,173 --> 00:35:43,373 [tense music] 1059 00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:44,975 - I live paycheck for paycheck. 1060 00:35:45,077 --> 00:35:47,377 Half the money I was giving you was from bills 1061 00:35:47,479 --> 00:35:48,845 because I thought that you 1062 00:35:48,947 --> 00:35:51,014 were in trouble, you needed help. 1063 00:35:51,116 --> 00:35:52,215 I mean, you led me on. 1064 00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:54,050 The texts in the morning. 1065 00:35:54,153 --> 00:35:56,153 And, you know, me telling you, you know, 1066 00:35:56,255 --> 00:35:58,255 my deep, darkest secrets, and I thought we had something. 1067 00:35:58,357 --> 00:35:59,956 [dramatic music] 1068 00:36:00,058 --> 00:36:01,458 This is just ridiculous. 1069 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,859 ♪ ♪ 1070 00:36:02,961 --> 00:36:04,761 - You said in your text message to me 1071 00:36:04,863 --> 00:36:06,897 that "I [bleep] up, but so did he." 1072 00:36:06,999 --> 00:36:09,666 What exactly did you mean, "so did he?" 1073 00:36:09,768 --> 00:36:11,668 - Honestly, you're the catfish. 1074 00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:13,537 [dramatic musical sting] 1075 00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:14,671 - What do you mean? 1076 00:36:14,773 --> 00:36:17,140 - This is not who he is 1077 00:36:17,242 --> 00:36:19,309 in the pictures on Jack'd. 1078 00:36:19,411 --> 00:36:20,644 That's not him. 1079 00:36:20,746 --> 00:36:23,280 It was the younger version of him. 1080 00:36:23,382 --> 00:36:24,814 - You're saying that Jason used 1081 00:36:24,917 --> 00:36:26,883 pictures of him when he was younger... 1082 00:36:26,985 --> 00:36:28,919 - Yes, yes. - On his profile. 1083 00:36:29,021 --> 00:36:30,020 - Yes. 1084 00:36:30,122 --> 00:36:32,022 - That picture wasn't even that old. 1085 00:36:32,124 --> 00:36:33,790 I took that picture, like, two years ago. 1086 00:36:33,892 --> 00:36:35,158 - Well, that don't look-- that don't-- 1087 00:36:35,260 --> 00:36:36,726 that don't look like you, boo. 1088 00:36:36,828 --> 00:36:38,128 - Show us the picture. 1089 00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:39,596 - This is the picture. - And, like, he kept-- 1090 00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:41,765 and by that--by that-- by that time, 1091 00:36:41,867 --> 00:36:44,367 he was already, you know-- 1092 00:36:44,469 --> 00:36:45,835 - [bleep] this excuse, Omar. 1093 00:36:45,938 --> 00:36:48,338 It doesn't look that different. 1094 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,906 - For you to try and say that 1095 00:36:50,008 --> 00:36:52,209 because you feel like the picture he used 1096 00:36:52,311 --> 00:36:54,010 was a misrepresentation of him 1097 00:36:54,112 --> 00:36:55,779 which somehow gives you permission 1098 00:36:55,881 --> 00:36:58,048 to take advantage of him, 1099 00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:59,015 that's just bull[bleep]. 1100 00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:01,384 - Look how he look. Like, do you... 1101 00:37:01,486 --> 00:37:03,620 He's not cute. Come on. 1102 00:37:03,722 --> 00:37:04,955 - He's a handsome man, 1103 00:37:05,057 --> 00:37:06,523 and he's a kind person. - No, he's not! 1104 00:37:06,625 --> 00:37:08,124 No, he's not. He's not. 1105 00:37:08,227 --> 00:37:10,660 - What's really not cute is the way that you are behaving. 1106 00:37:10,762 --> 00:37:14,030 - Not only that, he told me that he had HIV. 1107 00:37:14,132 --> 00:37:16,266 ♪ ♪ 1108 00:37:16,368 --> 00:37:19,970 - Are you criticizing him for being open about his status? 1109 00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:22,505 - Like, come on now. Like, that's-- 1110 00:37:22,608 --> 00:37:25,208 - What benefits you out of degrading Jason 1111 00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:29,145 as a gay man who's a part of that community? 1112 00:37:29,248 --> 00:37:31,448 And you know what the stigma is like. 1113 00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:33,316 That's so disappointing. 1114 00:37:33,418 --> 00:37:35,919 I have sisters that are 13 years old, 1115 00:37:36,021 --> 00:37:38,788 and they have more dignity and class than 1116 00:37:38,890 --> 00:37:41,291 what you are demonstrating right here, right now. 1117 00:37:41,393 --> 00:37:44,561 - Jason has taken a huge chance 1118 00:37:44,663 --> 00:37:46,863 in opening up about that, not just with you, 1119 00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:49,332 but on the show with lots of people. 1120 00:37:49,434 --> 00:37:50,967 That's something that he's 1121 00:37:51,069 --> 00:37:52,535 gotta live with and struggle with, 1122 00:37:52,638 --> 00:37:55,405 and we should be nothing but supportive of. 1123 00:37:55,507 --> 00:37:57,407 - I feel like I could trust you, Mar. 1124 00:37:57,509 --> 00:37:59,809 I don't open up. Not at all. 1125 00:37:59,911 --> 00:38:01,111 But I felt like I could open up to you. 1126 00:38:01,213 --> 00:38:04,114 You don't have no morals or no standards. 1127 00:38:04,216 --> 00:38:05,582 You're a scam artist. 1128 00:38:05,684 --> 00:38:07,350 - You can't put it all on me 1129 00:38:07,452 --> 00:38:09,919 because at the end of the day, you kept sending money 1130 00:38:10,022 --> 00:38:12,589 even after you felt like something was strange. 1131 00:38:12,691 --> 00:38:14,224 - But that's such bull[bleep]. 1132 00:38:14,326 --> 00:38:16,459 He acted out of generosity 1133 00:38:16,561 --> 00:38:19,696 and love and hopefulness, 1134 00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:23,266 and you acted out of greed and selfishness. 1135 00:38:23,368 --> 00:38:25,635 And so there is shame on you, 1136 00:38:25,737 --> 00:38:28,305 but not on Jason. 1137 00:38:28,407 --> 00:38:30,407 - Do I feel sorry? 1138 00:38:30,509 --> 00:38:31,541 Um, no. - I bet you don't. 1139 00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:33,410 - I don't. - It figures. 1140 00:38:33,512 --> 00:38:34,678 - You can get your money back. 1141 00:38:34,780 --> 00:38:36,246 I'll send you your money back. 1142 00:38:36,348 --> 00:38:37,914 - Can you do it now? 1143 00:38:38,016 --> 00:38:38,915 - Yeah. 1144 00:38:39,017 --> 00:38:40,984 - Okay. Let's see it. 1145 00:38:41,086 --> 00:38:42,886 - I'ma send it to him after the show. 1146 00:38:42,988 --> 00:38:44,387 ♪ ♪ 1147 00:38:44,489 --> 00:38:45,655 - Yeah. Okay. 1148 00:38:45,757 --> 00:38:47,557 - Is this all, like-- 1149 00:38:47,659 --> 00:38:49,292 did you come on here to put on this act 1150 00:38:49,394 --> 00:38:50,593 or 'cause I just-- 1151 00:38:50,696 --> 00:38:52,495 - No, this is really-- - I don't feel-- 1152 00:38:52,597 --> 00:38:54,130 - No, this is really me in real life. 1153 00:38:54,232 --> 00:38:56,266 - You're genuinely a [bleep] human being? 1154 00:38:56,368 --> 00:38:57,701 Is that just who you are? 1155 00:38:57,803 --> 00:38:59,269 - Calm it down with me, okay? 1156 00:38:59,371 --> 00:39:02,639 What--any other questions? - [laughing] 1157 00:39:02,741 --> 00:39:03,907 - Thank you. You're dismissed. 1158 00:39:04,009 --> 00:39:05,442 - [laughing] - You're dismissed. 1159 00:39:05,544 --> 00:39:06,943 - You can't dismiss me. 1160 00:39:07,045 --> 00:39:08,945 You don't have the qualifications. 1161 00:39:09,047 --> 00:39:10,780 You do not have the jurisdiction. 1162 00:39:10,882 --> 00:39:13,083 - You can't just "dismiss" someone 1163 00:39:13,185 --> 00:39:15,085 because you don't like what they have to say. 1164 00:39:15,187 --> 00:39:16,419 ♪ ♪ 1165 00:39:16,521 --> 00:39:17,921 - Keep being you, 1166 00:39:18,023 --> 00:39:19,889 and allow everyone, the world, 1167 00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:21,791 to see exactly who you are. 1168 00:39:21,893 --> 00:39:24,728 And let them hopefully stay far away from you. 1169 00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:26,062 - Okay, you done? 1170 00:39:26,164 --> 00:39:28,164 - That's all I have to say. 1171 00:39:28,266 --> 00:39:29,466 - [exhales] 1172 00:39:29,568 --> 00:39:32,235 I don't even wanna see his face anymore, to be honest. 1173 00:39:32,337 --> 00:39:33,970 - And I don't wanna see yours either. 1174 00:39:34,072 --> 00:39:36,139 - I think we've had enough. 1175 00:39:36,241 --> 00:39:38,441 Bye. - Bye. 1176 00:39:38,543 --> 00:39:40,076 [chimes] 1177 00:39:40,178 --> 00:39:43,546 - Jason, I would like to apologize 1178 00:39:43,648 --> 00:39:46,750 for the way that he was trying 1179 00:39:46,852 --> 00:39:48,651 to degrade you. 1180 00:39:48,754 --> 00:39:50,186 You are a good person. 1181 00:39:50,288 --> 00:39:52,355 And there's nothing wrong-- - You're a good looking guy. 1182 00:39:52,457 --> 00:39:53,623 - Yeah! - Thanks. 1183 00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:54,557 - What the [bleep] he's talking about. 1184 00:39:54,659 --> 00:39:55,859 - [laughs] 1185 00:39:55,961 --> 00:39:58,695 - And somebody will accept you for who you are, 1186 00:39:58,797 --> 00:40:01,731 exactly how you are, and there is nothing to be ashamed of. 1187 00:40:01,833 --> 00:40:04,200 - Stop dating guys on the Internet 1188 00:40:04,302 --> 00:40:06,603 that won't date you in real life. 1189 00:40:06,705 --> 00:40:07,804 - Okay. - Okay? 1190 00:40:07,906 --> 00:40:08,905 - [laughs] - Period. 1191 00:40:09,007 --> 00:40:10,273 - You're absolutely right. 1192 00:40:10,375 --> 00:40:11,808 We'll see how life goes. 1193 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:13,410 - All right, Jason. 1194 00:40:13,512 --> 00:40:15,245 - God bless you all. Thank you. 1195 00:40:15,347 --> 00:40:16,646 - God bless. 1196 00:40:16,748 --> 00:40:18,415 [laughs] [chimes] 1197 00:40:18,517 --> 00:40:20,083 What a sweetheart. 1198 00:40:20,185 --> 00:40:22,819 - All right, Kamie. Good work. 1199 00:40:22,921 --> 00:40:26,656 But, uh, you are now officially dismissed. 1200 00:40:26,758 --> 00:40:28,224 - [bleep] off. 1201 00:40:28,326 --> 00:40:29,659 [laughter] 1202 00:40:29,761 --> 00:40:32,429 - ♪ We fight the good fight ♪ 1203 00:40:32,531 --> 00:40:35,965 ♪ There's no need to waste it anymore ♪ 1204 00:40:36,067 --> 00:40:39,002 ♪ Ignore, ignore ♪ 1205 00:40:39,104 --> 00:40:42,739 ♪ The things you don't adore ♪ 1206 00:40:42,841 --> 00:40:45,442 ♪ We fight the good fight ♪ 1207 00:40:54,386 --> 00:40:56,152 [lively bass music] 1208 00:40:56,254 --> 00:40:58,721 - Will meets this cosplay girl named Cherry from Thailand. 1209 00:40:58,824 --> 00:41:00,457 - I've already applied for my passport. 1210 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:01,558 I'm ready to roll, man. 1211 00:41:05,096 --> 00:41:07,363 - That was sketchy. - That was weird, right? 1212 00:41:07,466 --> 00:41:09,365 - It could be a hustle. Could be anything. 1213 00:41:09,468 --> 00:41:11,134 [computer chimes] - Oh! 1214 00:41:11,236 --> 00:41:13,369 - Uh, hello? 1215 00:41:13,472 --> 00:41:14,404 - God.