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- Jason's been talking
with Mar,
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someone he met
on a hookup app.
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- He makes me feel
like I'm wanted.
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- But you've sending money
to this person.
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- Do you see these red flags?
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[line disconnects]
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- [gasps]
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It was a girl!
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- This is crazy.
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- Deep breath, Jason.
Deep breath.
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- I'm so nervous.
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[computer chimes]
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- Get the [BLEEP]
out of here.
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[dramatic musical sting]
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[upbeat rock music]
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- ♪ Keep crushing it up ♪
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♪ Gimme, gimme the bust ♪
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[computer chimes]
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- What's up, girl?
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- Oh, this is your "Dancing
with the Stars" stretch?
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- No, this is
my standard back stretch.
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[moans]
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- Hold, hold, and breathe.
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Deep stretch.
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- Kamie, you have a nice voice.
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You could do, like,
guided meditation.
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- Should I?
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Push back
into downward-facing dog.
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- Yeah.
That's nice.
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- Think about all
the good things in your life.
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[laughter]
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- All right.
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Let's see what we got cooking
up in the old email here.
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This is from Marcella.
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- ♪ Lay it on me,
I'm listening ♪
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- "Hey Nev and Kamie,
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I'm writing in hopes that you
can help my brother, Jason."
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- ♪ Say what you want ♪
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- "He's 32 years old and lives
in [bleep], California.
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"And he's being catfished.
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"For the last two months,
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"he's been talking to someone
he met on a hookup app.
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"At first, it seemed
like harmless fun,
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"but now I'm worried.
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"They've never talked
on the phone,
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"never video chatted,
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and Jason has been
stood up twice."
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- Mm.
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- ♪ Some folks really
don't listen much ♪
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- "But here's the kicker.
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"I found out that Jason
has been sending money
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"to this person.
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"Jason is putting up
with all of this
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"because he recently went
through a bad breakup.
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"I think he's putting
all of his hopes
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"into this new relationship.
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But I'm afraid Jason
is going to get hurt again."
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Forget hurt.
He's getting scammed.
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- ♪ Sell it to me,
sell it to me ♪
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- "Jason is a pastor
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"and always wants to see
the best in people.
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"But I know
it's gonna land him
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"with another broken heart.
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Please help, Marcella."
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- Bless his heart.
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- So we got
a real problem here
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because we got a pastor
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rebounding
from a bad breakup,
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and obviously
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some major red flags here.
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So let's text Marcella
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and see if she can jump in.
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Oh, okay.
She got my text.
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She hearted it.
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"Come in our Zoom."
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[computer chimes]
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Oh.
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- Oh, my God.
both: Hey.
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- What's up?
- Hi, Nev.
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- Marcella.
- Hi, Kamie.
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- Hi.
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- This just seems so unreal.
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- Do you also live
in California?
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- No, I live
in Dayton, Ohio.
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- Oh, okay.
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So did you guys grow up
in Ohio?
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- Yeah, we both grew up
in Ohio.
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Jason--I call him my brother,
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but he's actually
my best friend.
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We met in college.
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- Oh, okay.
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- We talk every day, all day.
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- Did you guys ever hook up?
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- [laughing]
No, no.
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Strictly platonic.
He's my best friend.
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And he likes guys, so...
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- Wow.
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So he's a progressive pastor.
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I love this.
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- I just foolishly assumed
it was a girl.
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- He's gay.
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He just loves light-skinned,
pretty boys.
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- Oh, God.
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- [laughs]
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- Hell, has he been openly gay
as long as you've known him?
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- Yeah.
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- Okay, so Jason met this guy
on an app.
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Do you know which app it was?
- Jack'd.
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- Oh, my God.
I know about Jack'd.
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- What's this guy's name?
Do you know?
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- Yeah.
His name is Mar.
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He lives in Vegas.
- Got it.
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- And why do you think
he's fake?
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- He only texts Jason.
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When he asks to Facetime him,
he won't Facetime him.
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He always have an excuse.
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When he went to Vegas,
you know,
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he didn't meet up with him.
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So now it just
has me thinking, like,
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he's probably catfishing him.
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- But you said
that Jason has been
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sending him a lot of money.
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What's that about?
- He has.
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He has sent him
probably over $500.
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- Wow.
- For what?
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- Exactly.
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What are you
sending him money for?
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Jason is very gullible.
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- You mentioned in the email
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that Jason recently had
a bad breakup.
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- Yeah, he just got
out of a bad marriage.
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- Oh, wow.
How long was he married?
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- Two, three years.
- Oh, wow.
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- So you do think Jason
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would be accepting
of our help?
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- I mentioned you guys
to him before.
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I said, you know,
"This sounds pretty shady.
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I'm gonna email 'Catfish'
about this."
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- [laughs]
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- What's the best way for us
to get in touch with Jason?
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- I could text him.
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- Yeah, and invite him
to join our Zoom.
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- Yep, I just texted him.
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- Okay.
Great.
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- Well.
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- Hope he isn't gonna be
upset with me.
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[laughter]
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- I hope not.
[computer chimes]
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- Oh.
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- Hello, Jason.
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- Kamie and Nev,
how you guys doing?
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- We're doing well.
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You know, I got the call
from Jesus,
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and he told me
that you need help.
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[laughing]
- Oh, Lord.
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[laughter]
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- So you're a pastor, right?
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- Yeah.
I am a pastor.
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- I'm assuming that your church
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is open-minded and accepting
of homosexuality?
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- Um, yes and no.
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Um, you know,
we have older members
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who are confound on, you know,
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homosexuality is a sin
and you'll go to hell.
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But, I mean...
- Mm.
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- I'm not concerned
because we have
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younger members
that are, like,
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it really doesn't matter
what your walk of life is
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as long as you, you know,
come to Christ.
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- I'm a Christian too.
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And love is not a sin.
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So it doesn't matter
who it is that you love.
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That's--there's nothing
wrong with that.
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- You know, you right.
[chuckles]
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- So this guy you're
talking to, Mar...
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- Yes.
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- I think we need to kind of
just get into the specifics.
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Marcella, you already know
all this,
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but we wanna hear it
from him.
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Thank you for getting
our attention.
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- Absolutely.
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Good luck, Jason!
- [laughing]
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- I hope you get all, you know,
the answers you're looking for.
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- All right, sister.
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- Bye, Marcella.
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Aww.
She loves you.
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- She does.
She does.
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- So you're 32 now, right?
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- Right.
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- When did you get married?
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- I got married
three years ago.
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But after a while,
there was no love there.
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I felt more like
a sugar daddy.
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We're separated.
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We're going
through the divorce process.
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- Aww.
Jason, I'm sorry.
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- I'm genuine.
I'm looking for real love,
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and it just wasn't there.
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- How long before you met Mar?
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- A week after.
- Wow.
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- Wow.
Okay.
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- So tell us about Mar
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and kind of how you got
to where you are with him.
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- I know that he lives
in Las Vegas.
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He's a security guard
on the Strip.
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He's 21 years old.
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- 21?
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- [laughs]
Yeah.
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I...
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I like younger guys.
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I think that's my downfall,
like, light-skin and young.
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I'm just like, oh, my God.
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- No, no, no!
- [laughs]
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- Oh, man.
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- But Jack'd is, like,
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a location-based app, right?
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How did you guys match
in the first place?
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- I was in Las Vegas
on vacation.
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My last day there,
I was bored,
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so I'm like,
"Let's see who's around."
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Bam, his profile showed
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that he was two miles
away from me.
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So I hit him up.
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I'm like, "Well, you know,
I'm here in Vegas.
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Do you wanna, you know,
hang out?"
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He was like,
"I can't hang out tonight
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'cause I have to go to work."
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Which--that's understandable,
you know?
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You hit someone up
last minute.
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- That makes sense,
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but then you went back
to California,
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and you guys started talking.
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What happened?
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- The conversation is there.
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Just to wake up in the morning
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and have someone text you
"Good morning"
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makes you feel good.
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He makes me feel
like I'm wanted.
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He texts me
"I'm going to work."
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If his day is slow,
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we'll have
a little conversation.
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But sometimes,
I am kind of afraid
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to text back when he's at work
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because he always wants me
to get him an Uber.
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- What?
- [laughs]
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- You mean, like, to go
to or home from work?
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- Yeah.
- What?
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- Wait, you actually call
the Uber in your app?
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- No, so I send him money.
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[hip-hop music]
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- Mm.
- Jason.
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- Me personally, I don't think
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he's doing anything
malicious with it
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because he always says
he's gonna pay me back.
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- Has he?
- No.
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He hasn't paid me back.
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I sent over, like, $500.
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- How are you sending him
the money?
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- So I'm sending him the money
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through his friend's Cash App.
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00:08:20,267 --> 00:08:23,268
- His friend's Cash App?
262
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♪ ♪
263
00:08:25,005 --> 00:08:26,104
Jason!
264
00:08:26,206 --> 00:08:29,074
- Well, he told me that
his Cash App got blocked.
265
00:08:29,176 --> 00:08:31,409
- Who's his friend?
- Her name is Amber.
266
00:08:31,512 --> 00:08:34,045
♪ ♪
267
00:08:34,147 --> 00:08:35,514
I tried to look her up,
268
00:08:35,616 --> 00:08:38,083
but I couldn't find
anything on her.
269
00:08:38,185 --> 00:08:39,284
- And hold on.
270
00:08:39,386 --> 00:08:41,386
And you haven't talked
on the phone to Mar
271
00:08:41,488 --> 00:08:43,355
in all of these months?
272
00:08:43,457 --> 00:08:44,589
- No, I haven't.
No.
273
00:08:44,691 --> 00:08:46,691
Not at all.
Just text messages.
274
00:08:46,793 --> 00:08:48,760
- Have you tried to get
on a phone call with him?
275
00:08:48,862 --> 00:08:50,095
- I tried calling his phone.
276
00:08:50,197 --> 00:08:51,763
You know, it rang,
and rang, and rang.
277
00:08:51,865 --> 00:08:53,465
And then it went
to voice mail.
278
00:08:53,567 --> 00:08:55,600
So I'm thinking
maybe he's at work
279
00:08:55,702 --> 00:08:57,068
or maybe he's busy.
280
00:08:57,170 --> 00:08:58,203
[tense music]
281
00:08:58,305 --> 00:08:59,204
- And what about social media?
282
00:08:59,306 --> 00:09:01,239
Does Mar have an Instagram
or a Snapchat?
283
00:09:01,341 --> 00:09:03,642
- I tried to add him
on those social media sites,
284
00:09:03,744 --> 00:09:05,744
but I couldn't
find him personally.
285
00:09:05,846 --> 00:09:08,179
- And did you guys ever
make plans to meet up?
286
00:09:08,282 --> 00:09:10,615
- We had planned something
for him to come out here.
287
00:09:10,717 --> 00:09:12,717
I bought him
a Greyhound ticket.
288
00:09:12,819 --> 00:09:14,753
I sat out there
for almost two hours
289
00:09:14,855 --> 00:09:16,488
waiting on his bus.
290
00:09:16,590 --> 00:09:19,090
And he never came.
291
00:09:19,192 --> 00:09:20,625
So I called the phone,
292
00:09:20,727 --> 00:09:22,761
and a female picked up.
293
00:09:22,863 --> 00:09:24,229
And I'm like,
294
00:09:24,331 --> 00:09:25,430
"Who is this?"
295
00:09:25,532 --> 00:09:27,666
And she was like,
"Who is this?"
296
00:09:27,768 --> 00:09:29,134
And then the phone hung up.
297
00:09:29,236 --> 00:09:30,569
[dramatic music]
298
00:09:30,671 --> 00:09:32,070
[laughter]
299
00:09:32,172 --> 00:09:33,705
- Jason!
300
00:09:33,807 --> 00:09:34,906
Jason!
- Oh, my God, yes.
301
00:09:35,008 --> 00:09:37,342
- Do you see these red flags?
302
00:09:37,444 --> 00:09:39,444
- Yeah, I'm not gullible.
I know.
303
00:09:39,546 --> 00:09:41,513
- There's no way.
304
00:09:41,615 --> 00:09:42,948
- Jason, you're a smart guy.
305
00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:44,716
What is it about this guy, Mar,
306
00:09:44,818 --> 00:09:47,319
that's so meaningful to you?
307
00:09:47,421 --> 00:09:50,021
- It's just like, you know,
I have so much trust in him.
308
00:09:50,123 --> 00:09:51,957
- But where does
that trust come from?
309
00:09:52,059 --> 00:09:54,059
How did he earn
so much trust from you?
310
00:09:54,161 --> 00:09:57,329
- Okay, so I've always
held this secret
311
00:09:57,431 --> 00:09:58,530
for 11 years.
312
00:09:58,632 --> 00:10:00,799
Um, I am HIV positive.
313
00:10:00,901 --> 00:10:02,500
So...
- Wow.
314
00:10:02,603 --> 00:10:05,103
- When I told him
I'm HIV positive,
315
00:10:05,205 --> 00:10:07,739
you know, you can
either accept it or not.
316
00:10:07,841 --> 00:10:08,807
He texted back, like,
317
00:10:08,909 --> 00:10:10,041
"Oh, yeah.
That's fine."
318
00:10:10,143 --> 00:10:11,676
And he said that
he would take PREP.
319
00:10:11,778 --> 00:10:13,612
[soft music]
320
00:10:13,714 --> 00:10:15,847
Which--that really
meant something to me
321
00:10:15,949 --> 00:10:18,917
'cause with someone living
with HIV for 11 years,
322
00:10:19,019 --> 00:10:20,819
there's still
a stereotype there.
323
00:10:20,921 --> 00:10:22,921
So when you have someone
324
00:10:23,023 --> 00:10:25,490
who is willing to take PREP,
325
00:10:25,592 --> 00:10:27,659
that really just
did something to me.
326
00:10:27,761 --> 00:10:29,294
Mar was the first person
I ever told
327
00:10:29,396 --> 00:10:32,297
that I was HIV positive
in three years.
328
00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:33,665
- Wow.
329
00:10:33,767 --> 00:10:37,202
- So I just accepted
everything that was going on
330
00:10:37,304 --> 00:10:40,672
in hopes of "We're gonna
build a future together."
331
00:10:40,774 --> 00:10:43,742
I just hope that something good
comes out of this.
332
00:10:43,844 --> 00:10:46,077
I'm praying it will.
333
00:10:46,179 --> 00:10:47,012
- [sighs]
334
00:10:47,114 --> 00:10:48,346
Well, do you have
pictures of Mar?
335
00:10:48,448 --> 00:10:50,115
- I only have two photos.
336
00:10:50,217 --> 00:10:51,783
[laughs]
337
00:10:51,885 --> 00:10:53,585
- Can we see the photos?
338
00:10:53,687 --> 00:10:55,086
- Yeah.
Sure.
339
00:10:55,188 --> 00:10:57,055
[tense music]
340
00:10:57,157 --> 00:10:58,923
- Uh-huh...
341
00:10:59,026 --> 00:11:00,825
- This is a picture
he sent you?
342
00:11:00,927 --> 00:11:03,028
- No, actually, I took that
picture off of his profile.
343
00:11:03,130 --> 00:11:05,664
- So this was on Jack'd?
- Yes.
344
00:11:05,766 --> 00:11:08,566
- So he never texted you
actual photos?
345
00:11:08,669 --> 00:11:09,701
- There was one.
Let me see.
346
00:11:09,803 --> 00:11:11,269
♪ ♪
347
00:11:11,371 --> 00:11:12,570
- Okay.
348
00:11:12,673 --> 00:11:14,272
- So he has sent you
this one photo?
349
00:11:14,374 --> 00:11:15,674
- Yeah.
350
00:11:15,776 --> 00:11:17,275
- The fact that
he can't even send you
351
00:11:17,377 --> 00:11:19,944
other pictures of him
is weird.
352
00:11:20,047 --> 00:11:21,846
- Yeah.
353
00:11:21,948 --> 00:11:23,314
- I'm just trying to think
is there any chance
354
00:11:23,417 --> 00:11:25,884
that it could be your
ex-husband messing with you?
355
00:11:25,986 --> 00:11:27,485
- I don't know.
I don't think it's him.
356
00:11:27,587 --> 00:11:29,921
- What if we find out Jason
357
00:11:30,023 --> 00:11:31,790
isn't the guy in the pictures?
358
00:11:31,892 --> 00:11:34,693
- It's gonna just destroy me.
359
00:11:34,795 --> 00:11:36,528
I can't have my heart
broken again.
360
00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:38,563
I just need to know.
361
00:11:38,665 --> 00:11:40,999
- So why don't you let us
do some research?
362
00:11:41,101 --> 00:11:42,500
Send us the info
you have for Mar.
363
00:11:42,602 --> 00:11:43,868
- Okay.
364
00:11:43,970 --> 00:11:45,770
- We'll talk to you real soon.
All right, Jason?
365
00:11:45,872 --> 00:11:47,605
- All righty.
Thank you so much.
366
00:11:47,708 --> 00:11:48,773
- All right.
- Okay, Jason.
367
00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:51,076
- Later.
- Hang in there.
368
00:11:51,178 --> 00:11:53,244
- Oh, hell no.
369
00:11:53,346 --> 00:11:55,246
You could not write
370
00:11:55,348 --> 00:11:58,917
a more absurdly obvious
catfish scenario.
371
00:11:59,019 --> 00:12:00,351
- [sighs]
I know.
372
00:12:00,454 --> 00:12:03,221
But Jason is a really nice guy,
and he deserves love.
373
00:12:03,323 --> 00:12:05,390
- No one deserves
to be treated like this.
374
00:12:05,492 --> 00:12:06,758
This is crazy.
375
00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:08,626
- Whether it's his ex-husband
messing with him
376
00:12:08,729 --> 00:12:11,563
or anybody else
taking advantage of him,
377
00:12:11,665 --> 00:12:12,864
it's not gonna be good.
378
00:12:14,167 --> 00:12:15,266
[upbeat music]
379
00:12:15,368 --> 00:12:16,234
[computer chimes]
380
00:12:16,336 --> 00:12:19,037
- Buenas tardes.
381
00:12:19,139 --> 00:12:20,305
- All right.
382
00:12:20,407 --> 00:12:23,141
We definitely have
our hands full
383
00:12:23,243 --> 00:12:24,442
with this one, okay?
384
00:12:24,544 --> 00:12:27,378
Jason's boyfriend, "Mar"--
385
00:12:27,481 --> 00:12:29,347
they've been talking now
a couple months.
386
00:12:29,449 --> 00:12:30,582
They obviously
haven't video chatted.
387
00:12:30,684 --> 00:12:32,383
They haven't talked
on the phone.
388
00:12:32,486 --> 00:12:33,585
Most importantly,
389
00:12:33,687 --> 00:12:36,688
Mar asks for money
all the time
390
00:12:36,790 --> 00:12:40,558
but uses a Cash App
for his friend, who's a woman
391
00:12:40,660 --> 00:12:42,460
named Amber.
- Mm-hmm.
392
00:12:42,562 --> 00:12:44,996
- And when Jason called,
393
00:12:45,098 --> 00:12:46,698
a woman answered the phone.
394
00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,633
And of course, Mar said
he was gonna come visit,
395
00:12:48,735 --> 00:12:50,468
and Jason paid
for a bus ticket.
396
00:12:50,570 --> 00:12:52,337
That didn't happen.
397
00:12:52,439 --> 00:12:54,639
So, I mean, this whole thing
is just a mess.
398
00:12:54,741 --> 00:12:56,207
- A mess.
399
00:12:56,309 --> 00:12:57,275
- All right.
So, hey, hey.
400
00:12:57,377 --> 00:12:58,476
Here's an email from Jason.
401
00:12:58,578 --> 00:12:59,978
"Hey, Nev and Kamie.
Thanks for your help.
402
00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,946
His name is Mar."
403
00:13:02,048 --> 00:13:04,182
Doesn't even know
his last name.
404
00:13:04,284 --> 00:13:05,316
We've got a phone number.
405
00:13:05,418 --> 00:13:06,317
And then,
"The Cash App I've been
406
00:13:06,419 --> 00:13:07,919
"sending money to is...
407
00:13:08,021 --> 00:13:11,656
$amberbunny[bleep]."
408
00:13:11,758 --> 00:13:13,091
And then images.
409
00:13:13,193 --> 00:13:15,059
All right, well,
let's do an image search.
410
00:13:15,162 --> 00:13:16,561
Let's search this one.
411
00:13:16,663 --> 00:13:18,263
- The one from his profile.
- Right.
412
00:13:18,365 --> 00:13:19,664
So let's actually start
with that one.
413
00:13:19,766 --> 00:13:21,266
♪ ♪
414
00:13:21,368 --> 00:13:22,934
Doesn't look like there's
any hit with this.
415
00:13:23,036 --> 00:13:24,169
No hit there.
416
00:13:24,271 --> 00:13:25,737
Let's do the one
in the mirror.
417
00:13:25,839 --> 00:13:28,640
♪ ♪
418
00:13:28,742 --> 00:13:31,442
No.
- No.
419
00:13:31,545 --> 00:13:32,911
- Hold on.
The only other thing
420
00:13:33,013 --> 00:13:34,579
I think we should do quickly
421
00:13:34,681 --> 00:13:36,681
is search
this Cash App username.
422
00:13:36,783 --> 00:13:38,149
- Hm.
423
00:13:38,251 --> 00:13:40,151
- Let's take out
the money sign.
424
00:13:40,253 --> 00:13:43,354
What about just
"amber bunny [bleep]?"
425
00:13:43,456 --> 00:13:46,024
♪ ♪
426
00:13:46,126 --> 00:13:47,392
No results.
427
00:13:47,494 --> 00:13:48,993
- [whispers]
Weird.
428
00:13:49,095 --> 00:13:50,195
- Do you have Cash App?
429
00:13:50,297 --> 00:13:51,663
- Mm-hmm.
430
00:13:51,765 --> 00:13:53,998
- Can you look her up on your
app and see what happens?
431
00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:55,500
- A picture comes up.
432
00:13:55,602 --> 00:13:58,002
- Oh, wait.
Hold on.
433
00:13:58,104 --> 00:14:00,338
There we go.
Huh.
434
00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,307
- Uh-huh!
435
00:14:02,409 --> 00:14:04,709
What if I send you a screenshot
436
00:14:04,811 --> 00:14:06,611
of that Cash App picture
and we run it?
437
00:14:06,713 --> 00:14:07,545
- Sure.
438
00:14:07,647 --> 00:14:09,214
Okay.
Got it.
439
00:14:09,316 --> 00:14:12,217
[tense music]
440
00:14:12,319 --> 00:14:14,118
[grunts]
441
00:14:14,221 --> 00:14:15,720
♪ ♪
442
00:14:15,822 --> 00:14:17,956
No.
443
00:14:18,058 --> 00:14:19,090
All right.
Phone search.
444
00:14:19,192 --> 00:14:23,461
♪ ♪
445
00:14:23,563 --> 00:14:24,762
- Ah.
- Oh, here we go.
446
00:14:24,865 --> 00:14:25,964
Las Vegas.
447
00:14:26,066 --> 00:14:27,332
Potential owner...
448
00:14:27,434 --> 00:14:29,534
Eric D. [bleep] Jr.
449
00:14:29,636 --> 00:14:31,769
Well, that's promising.
450
00:14:31,872 --> 00:14:33,404
- Yeah.
451
00:14:33,506 --> 00:14:35,273
- And it looks like
it's an actual cell phone,
452
00:14:35,375 --> 00:14:38,009
and not just some
weird text app number.
453
00:14:38,111 --> 00:14:39,410
- But look at the age.
454
00:14:39,512 --> 00:14:40,478
[dramatic musical sting]
455
00:14:40,580 --> 00:14:42,180
- Ooh.
50.
456
00:14:42,282 --> 00:14:43,982
Well, that could be
his dad.
457
00:14:44,084 --> 00:14:47,318
That would make sense
if he's supposed to be 21.
458
00:14:47,420 --> 00:14:48,386
Relatives.
459
00:14:48,488 --> 00:14:50,421
Mary--oh!
460
00:14:50,523 --> 00:14:52,357
- Mary.
- Mar.
461
00:14:52,459 --> 00:14:53,458
[dramatic musical sting]
462
00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,128
- Mary has Mar in it.
463
00:14:57,230 --> 00:15:00,498
- I'm not ready to obviously
make too much out of these yet
464
00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,233
aside from the fact that...
- Mm-hmm.
465
00:15:02,335 --> 00:15:03,968
- There's clearly
some connection
466
00:15:04,070 --> 00:15:06,604
with the phone number
that Jason has for Mar
467
00:15:06,706 --> 00:15:09,173
and this Eric [bleep] Jr.
468
00:15:09,276 --> 00:15:11,609
Why don't we go on Facebook
469
00:15:11,711 --> 00:15:15,179
and search Eric [bleep] Jr?
470
00:15:15,282 --> 00:15:16,915
Let's do city.
471
00:15:17,017 --> 00:15:19,384
Las Vegas.
472
00:15:19,486 --> 00:15:21,085
[tense music building]
473
00:15:21,187 --> 00:15:24,722
Oh.
Eric D. [bleep] Jr!
474
00:15:24,824 --> 00:15:27,759
- That's him.
- Whoa.
475
00:15:27,861 --> 00:15:29,360
- Oh, boy.
476
00:15:29,462 --> 00:15:30,728
- Look--it says right here.
477
00:15:30,830 --> 00:15:33,731
"Support local cops
and security guards."
478
00:15:33,833 --> 00:15:36,668
Mar said that he worked
security on the strip.
479
00:15:36,770 --> 00:15:39,437
Could this just be the guy?
480
00:15:39,539 --> 00:15:41,139
- Look.
He's married.
481
00:15:41,241 --> 00:15:42,707
Has a family.
482
00:15:42,809 --> 00:15:46,577
Could be a middle-aged guy
with a secret online life.
483
00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,546
If I had to stop investigating
right now,
484
00:15:48,648 --> 00:15:50,448
I would say there's a lot
of reason to believe
485
00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:51,883
it could be this guy.
486
00:15:51,985 --> 00:15:55,553
- The chance of Mar
actually just being
487
00:15:55,655 --> 00:15:57,789
an older guy who wants
to experiment
488
00:15:57,891 --> 00:16:01,359
with his sexuality
on a gay dating app--
489
00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:04,295
it doesn't explain the Ubers
and all that other [bleep].
490
00:16:04,397 --> 00:16:06,931
Like, why is Mar
asking Jason for money?
491
00:16:07,033 --> 00:16:08,967
- It's definitely weird.
492
00:16:09,069 --> 00:16:10,568
- That's super weird.
493
00:16:10,670 --> 00:16:13,137
- Here are the possibilities,
right?
494
00:16:13,239 --> 00:16:16,007
There's always the possibility
that it is in fact, Mar,
495
00:16:16,109 --> 00:16:17,809
the guy in the pictures.
496
00:16:17,911 --> 00:16:19,310
I can't completely
rule that out,
497
00:16:19,412 --> 00:16:22,480
but I could say with a lot of
confidence that's not the case.
498
00:16:22,582 --> 00:16:25,083
Then obviously,
it could be this guy,
499
00:16:25,185 --> 00:16:27,018
Eric [bleep] Jr.
500
00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,621
whose name is associated
directly to the phone number.
501
00:16:30,724 --> 00:16:32,991
Eric also has a relative
named Mary,
502
00:16:33,093 --> 00:16:36,594
which might be
the connection to Mar.
503
00:16:36,696 --> 00:16:38,596
So there's a chance
it could be Mary.
504
00:16:38,698 --> 00:16:40,398
[dramatic musical sting]
505
00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:42,700
- And obviously,
this Amber person.
506
00:16:42,802 --> 00:16:44,002
We don't even know
who that is,
507
00:16:44,104 --> 00:16:44,869
if that is a person.
508
00:16:44,971 --> 00:16:46,671
- The only other thing is
509
00:16:46,773 --> 00:16:48,573
Jason's ex-husband...
- [gasps]
510
00:16:48,675 --> 00:16:50,141
- Messing with him.
511
00:16:50,243 --> 00:16:53,211
Maybe he's broke and knows
that Jason is generous
512
00:16:53,313 --> 00:16:56,114
and giving and can be easily
taken advantage of.
513
00:16:56,216 --> 00:16:58,516
- We should've gotten
more information about this ex.
514
00:16:58,618 --> 00:17:01,652
- Still just so many questions
that we don't have answers for,
515
00:17:01,755 --> 00:17:03,688
and it still
doesn't make any sense.
516
00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:05,857
All those little lies
suggest to me
517
00:17:05,959 --> 00:17:08,493
that everything is a lie.
518
00:17:08,595 --> 00:17:10,328
[dramatic music]
519
00:17:11,731 --> 00:17:12,864
- So look.
520
00:17:12,966 --> 00:17:14,799
Let's bring Jason back
into the Zoom.
521
00:17:14,901 --> 00:17:16,467
[funky music]
522
00:17:16,569 --> 00:17:18,002
Let's see.
523
00:17:18,104 --> 00:17:22,774
♪ ♪
524
00:17:22,876 --> 00:17:23,975
[computer chimes]
525
00:17:24,077 --> 00:17:25,576
- Hello.
- There he is.
526
00:17:25,678 --> 00:17:27,945
Any changes, feelings, updates?
527
00:17:28,048 --> 00:17:30,581
- Just waiting to see
what comes to all of this.
528
00:17:30,683 --> 00:17:31,749
- Yeah.
529
00:17:31,851 --> 00:17:33,985
So we'll show you
what we did.
530
00:17:34,087 --> 00:17:35,787
But it just sort
of raises more questions,
531
00:17:35,889 --> 00:17:37,989
but we'll go through it.
- Okay.
532
00:17:38,091 --> 00:17:39,924
- When we ran
the phone number,
533
00:17:40,026 --> 00:17:43,494
it came back as an actual
cell phone in Las Vegas
534
00:17:43,596 --> 00:17:45,329
with an owner
535
00:17:45,432 --> 00:17:47,532
named Eric [bleep] Jr.
536
00:17:47,634 --> 00:17:48,699
- Hm.
537
00:17:48,802 --> 00:17:50,001
- Interestingly, though,
538
00:17:50,103 --> 00:17:51,736
in the relatives down here,
539
00:17:51,838 --> 00:17:54,505
there is someone named Mary.
540
00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:56,374
Now it might just be a stretch
541
00:17:56,476 --> 00:17:59,343
to say that Mary and Mar...
542
00:17:59,446 --> 00:18:01,846
you know, obviously share
three of four letters.
543
00:18:01,948 --> 00:18:04,682
Because you haven't talked
to Mar on the phone,
544
00:18:04,784 --> 00:18:07,118
there is a chance
that it could be a woman.
545
00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:08,453
- Right.
546
00:18:08,555 --> 00:18:10,788
- Those names don't mean
anything to you, do they?
547
00:18:10,890 --> 00:18:12,190
- No.
Not at all.
548
00:18:12,292 --> 00:18:13,458
- Here's what's
really interesting.
549
00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,595
When we searched for Eric
[bleep] Jr. on Facebook,
550
00:18:17,697 --> 00:18:19,730
we got a hit
551
00:18:19,833 --> 00:18:22,667
for a guy,
Eric [bleep] Jr.
552
00:18:22,769 --> 00:18:24,702
And he looks
about the same age
553
00:18:24,804 --> 00:18:26,304
as the guy
in the phone search results.
554
00:18:26,406 --> 00:18:27,472
- Oh, wow.
555
00:18:27,574 --> 00:18:30,608
- So this has to be
the guy who's connected
556
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:32,243
to the phone number.
557
00:18:32,345 --> 00:18:33,811
- Wow.
558
00:18:33,913 --> 00:18:36,013
- It's unusual that
when we run a phone number,
559
00:18:36,116 --> 00:18:38,816
we get a consistent match
to a name
560
00:18:38,918 --> 00:18:40,685
and we find the Facebook page
561
00:18:40,787 --> 00:18:42,353
for that person in that city.
562
00:18:42,455 --> 00:18:44,822
If we were going
by the technical evidence
563
00:18:44,924 --> 00:18:45,957
that we've been able to get,
564
00:18:46,059 --> 00:18:48,025
I would say this
is your guy.
565
00:18:48,128 --> 00:18:49,861
- God, I hope not.
566
00:18:49,963 --> 00:18:52,597
- I'm assuming this guy
is not your type.
567
00:18:52,699 --> 00:18:54,398
- Yeah, no, definitely not.
568
00:18:54,501 --> 00:18:56,567
- And look.
He's a big cop supporter.
569
00:18:56,669 --> 00:18:59,137
"Support local cops
and security guards."
570
00:18:59,239 --> 00:19:00,605
You said Mar is
a security guard.
571
00:19:00,707 --> 00:19:02,006
- Ugh.
572
00:19:02,108 --> 00:19:04,075
- This guy is married
and has a family.
573
00:19:04,177 --> 00:19:06,544
- Maybe he's on the DL.
574
00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:08,846
He doesn't wanna compromise
his family life,
575
00:19:08,948 --> 00:19:11,182
so he made this fake profile
on Jack'd
576
00:19:11,284 --> 00:19:13,084
and has been talking
to younger guys.
577
00:19:13,186 --> 00:19:15,453
It's a possibility.
578
00:19:15,555 --> 00:19:17,255
- I--oh, my God.
579
00:19:17,357 --> 00:19:19,690
I'm just...
580
00:19:19,792 --> 00:19:21,559
Ugh.
This is stressful.
581
00:19:21,661 --> 00:19:23,361
- Some other things we tried.
582
00:19:23,463 --> 00:19:24,795
We searched
for amberbunny[bleep]
583
00:19:24,898 --> 00:19:26,197
different ways,
584
00:19:26,299 --> 00:19:28,099
with the money sign,
with spaces.
585
00:19:28,201 --> 00:19:29,567
- Mm-hmm.
- And we couldn't find
586
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:30,902
anything that felt like a hit.
587
00:19:31,004 --> 00:19:32,236
And we did a search
for the photo
588
00:19:32,338 --> 00:19:34,138
to see if maybe that was
someone that we could find.
589
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,873
And we didn't get
any hits there either.
590
00:19:35,975 --> 00:19:38,809
So all we've really got
is this connection
591
00:19:38,912 --> 00:19:40,845
to Eric [bleep] Jr.
592
00:19:40,947 --> 00:19:41,946
[dramatic musical sting]
593
00:19:42,048 --> 00:19:45,183
But we usually consider
594
00:19:45,285 --> 00:19:49,654
that it's possible
an ex could be involved.
595
00:19:49,756 --> 00:19:51,622
♪ ♪
596
00:19:51,724 --> 00:19:52,857
So this was soon after you
597
00:19:52,959 --> 00:19:54,525
and your husband separated,
right?
598
00:19:54,627 --> 00:19:56,427
- A week after.
- Whoa.
599
00:19:56,529 --> 00:19:58,996
Did he know you
were going to Vegas?
600
00:19:59,098 --> 00:20:01,098
- Yeah, he knew
I was going to Las Vegas.
601
00:20:01,201 --> 00:20:04,735
- You know, maybe he feels
like there's still more life
602
00:20:04,837 --> 00:20:06,170
in your relationship.
603
00:20:06,272 --> 00:20:07,972
Could he have potentially
been doing this
604
00:20:08,074 --> 00:20:09,440
to kind of get you back?
605
00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:12,843
- What was the final straw
for the relationship?
606
00:20:12,946 --> 00:20:15,313
- When I had bought
my second car,
607
00:20:15,415 --> 00:20:18,916
um, I let him use it,
and he just never returned.
608
00:20:19,018 --> 00:20:20,184
[dramatic music]
609
00:20:20,286 --> 00:20:22,587
- He bounced?
- Yeah.
610
00:20:22,689 --> 00:20:24,155
- What?
611
00:20:24,257 --> 00:20:27,058
- He stole your car.
- Yeah.
612
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,760
And unfortunately, they said
because it's my husband,
613
00:20:29,862 --> 00:20:31,529
it's not considered theft.
614
00:20:31,631 --> 00:20:32,697
- What?
615
00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:35,366
- And he tried to call me
616
00:20:35,468 --> 00:20:37,835
a week and a half ago,
but I didn't pick up.
617
00:20:37,937 --> 00:20:39,470
- I mean, we know
he's messed with you.
618
00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:42,573
Maybe he's doing this
to get more money from you.
619
00:20:42,675 --> 00:20:43,908
I don't know.
620
00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:46,110
- He never had a job
when we were together.
621
00:20:46,212 --> 00:20:48,179
I mean, like I said, he called
a week and a half ago.
622
00:20:48,281 --> 00:20:50,715
And the only time he calls
623
00:20:50,817 --> 00:20:52,583
is for money.
624
00:20:52,685 --> 00:20:54,652
- I wouldn't put it past him
625
00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:57,221
to potentially be doing this.
626
00:20:57,323 --> 00:20:59,223
- If he were to have made
this profile,
627
00:20:59,325 --> 00:21:03,127
he would've known how
to cater the interests
628
00:21:03,229 --> 00:21:04,795
to something
that you might like.
629
00:21:04,897 --> 00:21:07,465
- I mean, my--I--ugh.
630
00:21:07,567 --> 00:21:09,267
I'm kind of tongue-tied
right now.
631
00:21:09,369 --> 00:21:13,004
- Now between Eric
and your ex-husband,
632
00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:16,474
I'd have to lean
towards your ex-husband
633
00:21:16,576 --> 00:21:18,676
if I had to make a decision
right now
634
00:21:18,778 --> 00:21:20,211
based on what you've told us.
635
00:21:20,313 --> 00:21:23,648
But, like,
that's where we're at.
636
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:26,384
- What are the chances
that maybe this is just
637
00:21:26,486 --> 00:21:30,021
a girl that makes
these fake profiles
638
00:21:30,123 --> 00:21:31,722
on random dating apps?
639
00:21:31,824 --> 00:21:34,025
And it doesn't
who it's targeting
640
00:21:34,127 --> 00:21:36,761
but scams through Jack'd
and other apps.
641
00:21:36,863 --> 00:21:39,597
For you, she's using
the name Amber on Cash App.
642
00:21:39,699 --> 00:21:41,332
I mean, could that be Mary?
643
00:21:41,434 --> 00:21:44,402
Or Amber?
- Who knows?
644
00:21:44,504 --> 00:21:46,671
- This is crazy.
645
00:21:46,773 --> 00:21:47,938
[sighs]
646
00:21:48,041 --> 00:21:49,173
- ♪ I gotta stop pretending ♪
647
00:21:49,275 --> 00:21:50,675
♪ People wouldn't
let me down ♪
648
00:21:50,777 --> 00:21:52,043
[EST's "Fresh Out of Love"]
649
00:21:52,145 --> 00:21:54,111
- What human being gets up
in the morning and says,
650
00:21:54,213 --> 00:21:56,414
"Oh, let me mess with
somebody's heart and emotions?"
651
00:21:56,516 --> 00:21:59,183
And it's not sitting right
with my stomach.
652
00:21:59,285 --> 00:22:00,985
I mean...
[sighs]
653
00:22:01,087 --> 00:22:04,755
- ♪ I wasn't really looking
when I saw the warning signs ♪
654
00:22:04,857 --> 00:22:07,058
- I thought that, you know,
we would get, you know,
655
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,627
to a point to where, you know,
at least something
656
00:22:09,729 --> 00:22:13,164
was pointing towards, you know,
this is actually Mar.
657
00:22:13,266 --> 00:22:16,000
But it seems like
it's pointing somewhere else.
658
00:22:16,102 --> 00:22:17,401
- ♪ Because I'm... ♪
659
00:22:17,503 --> 00:22:19,136
- Someone's trying
to hide something.
660
00:22:19,238 --> 00:22:22,073
- ♪ Fresh out of love ♪
661
00:22:22,175 --> 00:22:24,108
♪ I'm all used up ♪
662
00:22:24,210 --> 00:22:25,443
♪ Don't have enough ♪
663
00:22:25,545 --> 00:22:28,279
♪ I'm fresh out of love ♪
664
00:22:29,415 --> 00:22:30,614
- This is crazy.
665
00:22:30,717 --> 00:22:32,283
[sighs]
666
00:22:32,385 --> 00:22:33,784
- I mean, look.
Jason.
667
00:22:33,886 --> 00:22:34,952
When we talked to you earlier,
668
00:22:35,054 --> 00:22:36,954
you were very hopeful
669
00:22:37,056 --> 00:22:39,990
that this guy, Mar,
was who he said he was.
670
00:22:40,093 --> 00:22:41,792
How do you feel
about Mar now?
671
00:22:41,894 --> 00:22:43,127
- I'm still hopeful.
672
00:22:43,229 --> 00:22:45,262
I mean, I'm getting
a little worried
673
00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:47,164
'cause it seems like things
aren't pointing
674
00:22:47,266 --> 00:22:49,767
to this actual person.
675
00:22:49,869 --> 00:22:51,001
But I still love him.
676
00:22:51,104 --> 00:22:53,504
You know,
regardless of the facts.
677
00:22:53,606 --> 00:22:55,506
- I think it's time
678
00:22:55,608 --> 00:22:57,074
to hit up Mar.
679
00:22:57,176 --> 00:22:58,242
[tense music]
680
00:22:58,344 --> 00:23:00,911
But are you ready
for that, Jason?
681
00:23:01,013 --> 00:23:03,147
- Yeah.
Definitely.
682
00:23:03,249 --> 00:23:04,248
- We should call...
- [gasps]
683
00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:05,583
- From a number
they don't have.
684
00:23:05,685 --> 00:23:06,984
- Okay.
685
00:23:07,086 --> 00:23:09,220
- Let's give it a shot,
see what happens.
686
00:23:09,322 --> 00:23:11,021
- Okay.
- What are you gonna say?
687
00:23:11,124 --> 00:23:12,490
- What do I--I don't know.
What do I say?
688
00:23:12,592 --> 00:23:13,624
"I'm looking for Mar?"
689
00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:14,959
- No.
Say somebody else.
690
00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:16,160
- Yeah, but then
if they're just like,
691
00:23:16,262 --> 00:23:17,495
"Sorry, wrong number,"
then what do I do?
692
00:23:17,597 --> 00:23:19,764
- Be like, "Hey, I just got
a call from this number.
693
00:23:19,866 --> 00:23:21,065
Who is this?"
694
00:23:21,167 --> 00:23:22,867
- Well, here goes nothing.
695
00:23:22,969 --> 00:23:25,236
[line trilling]
696
00:23:25,338 --> 00:23:26,704
[whispers]
Can you guys hear it?
697
00:23:26,806 --> 00:23:28,572
[ominous music]
698
00:23:28,674 --> 00:23:30,040
[rustling over phone]
699
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:34,545
♪ ♪
700
00:23:34,647 --> 00:23:35,413
- Hey.
701
00:23:35,515 --> 00:23:36,881
I just got a call
from this number.
702
00:23:36,983 --> 00:23:39,183
I'm just calling you back.
703
00:23:39,285 --> 00:23:40,551
[line disconnects]
704
00:23:40,653 --> 00:23:42,887
Oh.
- [gasps]
705
00:23:42,989 --> 00:23:45,689
It was a girl!
706
00:23:45,792 --> 00:23:46,957
- Wow.
707
00:23:47,059 --> 00:23:48,025
- Was that
the same female voice
708
00:23:48,127 --> 00:23:49,693
that answered the first time?
709
00:23:49,796 --> 00:23:50,928
- That's the same voice.
710
00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:52,329
- Interesting.
711
00:23:52,432 --> 00:23:53,798
Should I try back
and see what happens?
712
00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:55,533
- [sighs]
713
00:23:55,635 --> 00:23:57,134
- And just explain it?
- Yeah.
714
00:23:57,236 --> 00:23:58,636
- I won't be shady this time.
715
00:23:58,738 --> 00:24:01,071
[line trilling]
716
00:24:01,174 --> 00:24:04,275
[tense music]
717
00:24:06,579 --> 00:24:09,113
- Hey, sorry about that.
I think I was confused.
718
00:24:09,215 --> 00:24:12,216
Um, I was looking for Mar,
719
00:24:12,318 --> 00:24:14,785
but maybe I have
the wrong number.
720
00:24:16,189 --> 00:24:17,721
- My name is Nev.
721
00:24:17,824 --> 00:24:20,991
I'm a friend of Jason.
722
00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:24,628
I'm actually the host
of the show "Catfish."
723
00:24:24,730 --> 00:24:26,697
♪ ♪
724
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:27,631
[line disconnects]
725
00:24:27,733 --> 00:24:29,700
Oh.
- Oh, my God.
726
00:24:29,802 --> 00:24:31,836
[dramatic music]
727
00:24:31,938 --> 00:24:33,471
- I should just text her.
- Yeah.
728
00:24:33,573 --> 00:24:36,307
- All right.
- Say, "The jig is up, shorty."
729
00:24:36,409 --> 00:24:38,075
- This is just crazy.
730
00:24:38,177 --> 00:24:39,944
- "So like I was saying,
my name is Nev,
731
00:24:40,046 --> 00:24:41,245
"and I'm the host
of the show 'Catfish.'
732
00:24:41,347 --> 00:24:42,513
"I'm trying to help
a guy named Jason
733
00:24:42,615 --> 00:24:44,281
"get in touch
with his friend, Mar.
734
00:24:44,383 --> 00:24:46,650
"It seems that you are the
person Jason has been texting
735
00:24:46,752 --> 00:24:49,220
and are obviously not
who he thinks you are."
736
00:24:49,322 --> 00:24:50,821
All right.
So I'm gonna send this.
737
00:24:50,923 --> 00:24:52,089
- Okay.
738
00:24:52,191 --> 00:24:53,691
- And let's just see
what happens.
739
00:24:53,793 --> 00:24:55,359
- This is crazy.
740
00:24:55,461 --> 00:24:57,828
- So that message was read
just now.
741
00:24:57,930 --> 00:24:59,029
- Okay.
742
00:24:59,131 --> 00:25:00,664
- I mean, it's hard
to understand
743
00:25:00,766 --> 00:25:03,234
why the phone number
you've been texting
744
00:25:03,336 --> 00:25:04,568
would be in the hands
of a woman,
745
00:25:04,670 --> 00:25:06,070
not just the one time
you called,
746
00:25:06,172 --> 00:25:07,037
but now another time.
747
00:25:07,139 --> 00:25:08,572
- Right.
748
00:25:08,674 --> 00:25:09,773
- Although the phone
is registered to Eric,
749
00:25:09,876 --> 00:25:12,209
a woman named Mary
is listed as a relative.
750
00:25:12,311 --> 00:25:14,411
It could be a family plan.
Mary, Mar.
751
00:25:14,514 --> 00:25:15,813
- It's just not adding up.
752
00:25:15,915 --> 00:25:17,448
- And for her to answer
with such confidence,
753
00:25:17,550 --> 00:25:20,084
I think obviously the phone
belongs to a woman.
754
00:25:20,186 --> 00:25:21,585
- But why go through
all this trouble?
755
00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:22,920
That's what I don't
understand, like--
756
00:25:23,022 --> 00:25:24,388
[sighs]
757
00:25:24,490 --> 00:25:27,691
- I feel like we're past
the point of being optimistic.
758
00:25:27,793 --> 00:25:30,094
And now it's time
to turn our sights
759
00:25:30,196 --> 00:25:32,429
into being stern.
760
00:25:32,532 --> 00:25:33,564
- Yeah.
761
00:25:33,666 --> 00:25:35,599
- I think today has
obviously been a lot,
762
00:25:35,701 --> 00:25:38,269
and we should pick back up
on it tomorrow
763
00:25:38,371 --> 00:25:40,971
with fresh eyes
and, like, a fresh mind.
764
00:25:41,073 --> 00:25:43,541
But I want for you
to really think about
765
00:25:43,643 --> 00:25:44,808
what it is that
you're planning
766
00:25:44,911 --> 00:25:46,710
on saying
to this person, because...
767
00:25:46,812 --> 00:25:47,845
- Okay.
768
00:25:47,947 --> 00:25:49,113
- The likelihood
of this ending up
769
00:25:49,215 --> 00:25:50,714
the way that you want it to--
770
00:25:50,816 --> 00:25:51,949
it's not feeling good.
771
00:25:52,051 --> 00:25:53,484
- Yeah.
772
00:25:53,586 --> 00:25:54,852
- Let's give whoever this is
773
00:25:54,954 --> 00:25:56,353
a chance to think about it too
774
00:25:56,455 --> 00:25:58,756
and check back in
in the morning.
775
00:25:58,858 --> 00:26:00,024
- Okay.
Awesome.
776
00:26:00,126 --> 00:26:01,325
- All right.
Good night, Jason.
777
00:26:01,427 --> 00:26:02,660
- All righty.
Good night, guys.
778
00:26:02,762 --> 00:26:04,495
- Good night.
779
00:26:04,597 --> 00:26:05,930
Poor thing.
780
00:26:06,032 --> 00:26:08,032
He's been through enough.
- Yeah.
781
00:26:08,134 --> 00:26:10,634
Hopefully, we can get
some answers for him soon.
782
00:26:10,736 --> 00:26:12,670
I'll let you know
if I hear anything
783
00:26:12,772 --> 00:26:15,105
from Mystery "Mar."
784
00:26:15,207 --> 00:26:16,173
- "Mystery Mary."
785
00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:17,374
- Yeah.
- All right.
786
00:26:17,476 --> 00:26:19,343
- Okay, bye.
- Byeee.
787
00:26:19,445 --> 00:26:20,878
[line disconnects]
788
00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:22,246
[insects chirping]
789
00:26:22,348 --> 00:26:24,415
- I still love him.
790
00:26:24,517 --> 00:26:25,916
I will always love him.
791
00:26:26,018 --> 00:26:27,651
You know...
792
00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:31,722
But I just wanna--
I just need answers, you know?
793
00:26:31,824 --> 00:26:33,123
I really hope it's him.
794
00:26:33,225 --> 00:26:35,025
I'd be heartbroken,
like I said,
795
00:26:35,127 --> 00:26:37,294
if it doesn't go
the way I want it to go.
796
00:26:37,396 --> 00:26:38,929
All right.
Thank you.
797
00:26:39,031 --> 00:26:40,698
[tense music]
798
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,899
[computer chimes]
799
00:26:42,001 --> 00:26:42,967
[computer chimes]
800
00:26:43,069 --> 00:26:45,269
- Hey.
801
00:26:45,371 --> 00:26:47,738
I got big news.
- What's the tea?
802
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,839
- Check this out.
803
00:26:48,941 --> 00:26:51,775
I just got a text from Mar.
804
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:55,879
[dramatic music]
805
00:26:55,982 --> 00:26:58,816
"I may have [bleep] up,
but so did he."
806
00:26:58,918 --> 00:27:00,584
♪ ♪
807
00:27:00,686 --> 00:27:01,919
- It's the ex.
808
00:27:02,021 --> 00:27:03,988
- It's the ex!
- It's the ex.
809
00:27:04,090 --> 00:27:05,222
- "Whoa.
810
00:27:05,324 --> 00:27:08,459
"Wasn't expecting that.
811
00:27:08,561 --> 00:27:12,429
Can you be
a bit more specific?"
812
00:27:12,531 --> 00:27:14,164
- But this is the same number
813
00:27:14,266 --> 00:27:15,432
of the woman
who answered the phone,
814
00:27:15,534 --> 00:27:16,967
so it can't be the ex.
815
00:27:17,069 --> 00:27:19,203
What girl has he
[bleep] up with?
816
00:27:19,305 --> 00:27:20,371
- Well, that's why now
at this point,
817
00:27:20,473 --> 00:27:22,773
I'm always so tempted
to just assume
818
00:27:22,875 --> 00:27:24,541
everyone's lying.
819
00:27:24,644 --> 00:27:28,145
Even though Jason's story
seemed so sad
820
00:27:28,247 --> 00:27:30,514
and he's like
this poor little puppy dog
821
00:27:30,616 --> 00:27:31,982
who just wants to be loved,
822
00:27:32,084 --> 00:27:33,550
is he?
823
00:27:33,653 --> 00:27:35,853
Is Jason
completely innocent here?
824
00:27:35,955 --> 00:27:37,421
- I'ma let you handle this.
825
00:27:37,523 --> 00:27:38,422
- Let me text him.
826
00:27:38,524 --> 00:27:39,990
- I'ma mind my business.
827
00:27:40,092 --> 00:27:41,091
[dramatic music]
828
00:27:41,193 --> 00:27:42,292
- "Morning."
829
00:27:42,395 --> 00:27:43,861
- "We need to talk."
830
00:27:43,963 --> 00:27:45,329
- "We gotta talk."
831
00:27:45,431 --> 00:27:47,164
[keys clacking]
832
00:27:47,266 --> 00:27:48,766
- [sighs]
833
00:27:48,868 --> 00:27:51,368
He better not be lying
to us either.
834
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:52,670
[computer chimes]
Oh.
835
00:27:52,772 --> 00:27:53,671
- Hi.
836
00:27:53,773 --> 00:27:55,706
- Good morning.
How'd you sleep?
837
00:27:55,808 --> 00:27:56,640
- [sighs]
838
00:27:56,742 --> 00:27:58,442
I tossed and turned all night.
839
00:27:58,544 --> 00:28:01,178
Just having this conflict
on my mind,
840
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,348
I mean, I'm just stressed.
841
00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:06,250
♪ ♪
842
00:28:06,352 --> 00:28:07,484
- Oh, well listen.
843
00:28:07,586 --> 00:28:10,721
We got a text back
from "Mar" this morning.
844
00:28:10,823 --> 00:28:12,222
- Okay.
845
00:28:12,324 --> 00:28:15,059
- And the text said,
846
00:28:15,161 --> 00:28:18,796
"If you want to know
who the catfish is...
847
00:28:18,898 --> 00:28:20,831
"Ask Jason.
848
00:28:20,933 --> 00:28:22,866
"I may have [bleep] up,
849
00:28:22,968 --> 00:28:24,735
but so did he."
850
00:28:24,837 --> 00:28:27,738
[dramatic music]
851
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,374
♪ ♪
852
00:28:30,476 --> 00:28:32,743
- Um...
853
00:28:32,845 --> 00:28:35,979
I mean...
854
00:28:36,082 --> 00:28:39,216
[sighs]
855
00:28:39,318 --> 00:28:41,351
I don't know.
856
00:28:41,454 --> 00:28:44,288
I mean, I just don't know,
to be honest.
857
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:45,723
- Okay.
858
00:28:45,825 --> 00:28:48,058
It just feels like we're not
getting the whole story.
859
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,394
I'm not sure what else
we can do to help
860
00:28:50,496 --> 00:28:52,896
if you don't unlock whatever
861
00:28:52,998 --> 00:28:55,132
missing piece
of this puzzle we need.
862
00:28:55,234 --> 00:28:56,567
[dramatic music]
863
00:28:58,037 --> 00:28:59,737
- We got a text back
from "Mar."
864
00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:02,606
"I may have [bleep] up,
but so did he."
865
00:29:02,708 --> 00:29:05,375
Jason, is there something
you're not telling us?
866
00:29:05,478 --> 00:29:07,778
It just feels like we're not
getting the whole story.
867
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,781
[dramatic music]
868
00:29:10,883 --> 00:29:13,550
♪ ♪
869
00:29:13,652 --> 00:29:15,786
- Um...
870
00:29:15,888 --> 00:29:17,154
I mean...
871
00:29:17,256 --> 00:29:19,156
♪ ♪
872
00:29:19,258 --> 00:29:21,258
[sighs]
873
00:29:23,395 --> 00:29:25,329
I don't know.
874
00:29:25,431 --> 00:29:28,799
Did I harm someone
and not even realize it?
875
00:29:28,901 --> 00:29:30,801
And--and--and, you know,
876
00:29:30,903 --> 00:29:31,969
I don't know.
877
00:29:32,071 --> 00:29:35,839
- Mar seems to be a woman
878
00:29:35,941 --> 00:29:39,009
with whom you've had
some sort of history.
879
00:29:39,111 --> 00:29:40,711
- Have you dated girls
in the past?
880
00:29:40,813 --> 00:29:41,879
♪ ♪
881
00:29:41,981 --> 00:29:44,114
- Um, one.
882
00:29:44,216 --> 00:29:45,449
[suspenseful music]
883
00:29:45,551 --> 00:29:46,483
- When was that?
884
00:29:46,585 --> 00:29:48,685
- Um...
885
00:29:48,788 --> 00:29:50,487
♪ ♪
886
00:29:50,589 --> 00:29:52,189
Like, a year ago.
887
00:29:52,291 --> 00:29:53,457
- Wait, but hold on a second.
888
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:55,692
You were married.
You had an affair?
889
00:29:55,795 --> 00:29:57,628
- Oh.
- With a woman?
890
00:29:57,730 --> 00:29:59,163
- [stuttering]
891
00:29:59,265 --> 00:30:00,364
No.
892
00:30:00,466 --> 00:30:03,267
I don't know.
I wouldn't call it an affair.
893
00:30:03,369 --> 00:30:04,868
♪ ♪
894
00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:07,137
I mean, there was
no sexual intimacy.
895
00:30:07,239 --> 00:30:08,405
I mean, yeah, we kissed.
896
00:30:08,507 --> 00:30:10,808
But, I mean, I don't look
at that as sexual.
897
00:30:10,910 --> 00:30:13,043
- What?
- I mean...
898
00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:14,878
it never went that far.
899
00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:16,613
- But Jason,
did this woman think
900
00:30:16,715 --> 00:30:19,449
she was in a romantic
relationship with you?
901
00:30:19,552 --> 00:30:21,385
- I don't--I don't know.
902
00:30:21,487 --> 00:30:23,654
- Did he know that
you were married to a man?
903
00:30:23,756 --> 00:30:25,155
- No.
904
00:30:25,257 --> 00:30:27,724
- Jason, when we asked you,
905
00:30:27,827 --> 00:30:30,861
"Could this be someone that
you know or from the past?"
906
00:30:30,963 --> 00:30:33,197
like, you didn't mention
that you had
907
00:30:33,299 --> 00:30:35,632
some sort
of a romantic engagement
908
00:30:35,734 --> 00:30:38,268
with this woman
while you were married,
909
00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:40,137
which would not
only potentially give
910
00:30:40,239 --> 00:30:42,806
your ex-husband a reason
to be upset with you,
911
00:30:42,908 --> 00:30:44,775
but also this woman.
912
00:30:44,877 --> 00:30:47,277
- I don't know.
913
00:30:47,379 --> 00:30:49,146
- Hopefully, her name
was not Mary.
914
00:30:49,248 --> 00:30:51,014
- Uh, no,
Her name was [bleep].
915
00:30:51,116 --> 00:30:52,382
- Are you in touch
with her anymore?
916
00:30:52,484 --> 00:30:53,383
- No.
917
00:30:53,485 --> 00:30:55,118
- Did she ask for money
for anything?
918
00:30:55,221 --> 00:30:56,253
- I mean, yeah.
She asked for money,
919
00:30:56,355 --> 00:30:58,522
you know, for, you know, uh,
920
00:30:58,624 --> 00:31:01,391
personal things and, you know,
I gave it to her.
921
00:31:01,493 --> 00:31:04,361
- When you called Mar
and a woman picked up,
922
00:31:04,463 --> 00:31:06,330
could that be the same person?
923
00:31:06,432 --> 00:31:08,532
- I mean, you could be right.
924
00:31:08,634 --> 00:31:10,400
It might be her.
925
00:31:10,502 --> 00:31:12,336
I don't think
it's my ex-husband.
926
00:31:12,438 --> 00:31:14,104
- It could be both of them.
927
00:31:14,206 --> 00:31:16,540
Who knows who it is, but like,
928
00:31:16,642 --> 00:31:19,676
clearly, this person,
whatever they have to say,
929
00:31:19,778 --> 00:31:21,578
it might not be good.
930
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,213
- [sighs]
931
00:31:23,315 --> 00:31:26,350
I just don't know what I did
to hurt whoever it is
932
00:31:26,452 --> 00:31:27,951
to even go to this point,
933
00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:29,686
to even be sitting here
talking to you guys.
934
00:31:29,788 --> 00:31:31,989
You know?
935
00:31:32,091 --> 00:31:34,358
I need to know
who this person is.
936
00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:37,027
- Even if it means airing out
937
00:31:37,129 --> 00:31:39,763
some of your own dirty laundry?
938
00:31:39,865 --> 00:31:41,465
[tense music]
939
00:31:41,567 --> 00:31:43,267
- Yeah.
940
00:31:43,369 --> 00:31:44,268
- Oh.
941
00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:45,469
I'm ready to find out
if you are.
942
00:31:45,571 --> 00:31:47,905
- Our text message
from this morning
943
00:31:48,007 --> 00:31:49,206
has gone unread.
944
00:31:49,308 --> 00:31:50,841
- I think we should call.
945
00:31:50,943 --> 00:31:52,175
- Yeah.
946
00:31:52,278 --> 00:31:53,076
- All right.
I'm gonna try it.
947
00:31:53,178 --> 00:31:58,048
[line trilling]
948
00:31:58,150 --> 00:32:00,851
- You have reached
the voicemail box of 7--
949
00:32:00,953 --> 00:32:02,185
- All right.
950
00:32:02,288 --> 00:32:05,055
I'll follow up with a text.
951
00:32:05,157 --> 00:32:07,724
I'm being nice
because I wanna obviously
952
00:32:07,826 --> 00:32:09,793
encourage them to respond.
953
00:32:09,895 --> 00:32:11,895
- Butter 'em up.
Butter 'em up.
954
00:32:11,997 --> 00:32:13,864
- Okay.
Oh, check it out.
955
00:32:13,966 --> 00:32:16,833
"Okay, how do we do this?"
956
00:32:16,936 --> 00:32:18,368
♪ ♪
957
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:20,971
I said, "Can you join a Zoom
with me and Kamie?"
958
00:32:21,073 --> 00:32:22,873
- [sighs]
This is crazy.
959
00:32:22,975 --> 00:32:24,174
- Oh, they're writing.
Oh, God.
960
00:32:24,276 --> 00:32:25,509
Oh.- Jason there?
961
00:32:25,611 --> 00:32:28,278
It's time for him
to know the truth."
962
00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:29,146
[yelps]
963
00:32:29,248 --> 00:32:31,915
- Wow, okay.
- Wow.
964
00:32:32,017 --> 00:32:33,784
- Okay, well,
965
00:32:33,886 --> 00:32:35,485
they've decided, Jason.
966
00:32:35,587 --> 00:32:36,954
- Here we go.
967
00:32:37,056 --> 00:32:38,889
- Deep breath, Jason.
Deep breath.
968
00:32:38,991 --> 00:32:40,023
[dramatic music]
969
00:32:40,125 --> 00:32:42,092
- I'm so nervous.
970
00:32:42,194 --> 00:32:44,194
I feel like I'm gonna throw up.
971
00:32:44,296 --> 00:32:45,896
It's just the wait, like,
come on.
972
00:32:45,998 --> 00:32:49,466
Pop in so I can see
who you are.
973
00:32:49,568 --> 00:32:51,568
- If it is Mar, I'm gonna fall
out of my chair.
974
00:32:51,670 --> 00:32:52,869
There is no way.
975
00:32:52,972 --> 00:32:55,872
- Oh, my God.
976
00:32:55,975 --> 00:32:57,007
♪ ♪
977
00:32:57,109 --> 00:32:58,208
[computer chimes]
978
00:32:59,445 --> 00:33:00,978
[suspenseful music]
979
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,447
- Deep breath, Jason.
Deep breath.
980
00:33:03,549 --> 00:33:05,983
- I'm so nervous.
981
00:33:06,085 --> 00:33:07,818
I feel like I'm gonna throw up.
982
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,686
[computer chimes]
983
00:33:09,788 --> 00:33:12,222
[dramatic music]
984
00:33:12,324 --> 00:33:14,257
- What?
What's tea?
985
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,828
- Oh!
986
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:18,795
- God.
- What?
987
00:33:18,897 --> 00:33:20,497
- Oh, my God.
That's crazy.
988
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:22,699
- Get the [bleep] out of here.
989
00:33:22,801 --> 00:33:25,002
- [laughing]
990
00:33:25,104 --> 00:33:26,803
Ugh!
- I mean...
991
00:33:26,905 --> 00:33:29,373
Do I have to, like,
clean my computer screen?
992
00:33:29,475 --> 00:33:31,942
Am I seeing this right?
993
00:33:32,044 --> 00:33:33,443
- I can't.
994
00:33:33,545 --> 00:33:35,345
- Hello.
Uh, I'm not sure what to say.
995
00:33:35,447 --> 00:33:36,913
We're all
a little dumbfounded here.
996
00:33:37,016 --> 00:33:38,949
- Are you serious?
997
00:33:39,051 --> 00:33:41,451
- Mar, is that your name?
998
00:33:41,553 --> 00:33:43,754
- No.
My name is actually Omar.
999
00:33:43,856 --> 00:33:45,122
Omar.
- Oh, that makes sense.
1000
00:33:45,224 --> 00:33:46,957
Okay.
I see that now.
1001
00:33:47,059 --> 00:33:48,425
- Mm-hmm.
1002
00:33:48,527 --> 00:33:51,495
Yeah, I'm 21.
I live in Vegas.
1003
00:33:51,597 --> 00:33:53,263
- And has it been you
the whole time?
1004
00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:55,732
- Yeah, it's been me
this whole time.
1005
00:33:55,834 --> 00:33:57,634
[tense music]
1006
00:33:57,736 --> 00:33:59,202
- Who was the woman
that answered the phone?
1007
00:33:59,304 --> 00:34:00,670
- It was my roommate.
1008
00:34:00,773 --> 00:34:03,507
- Is there a reason that you
had her answer or just...
1009
00:34:03,609 --> 00:34:05,275
- When it's numbers
that I don't know,
1010
00:34:05,377 --> 00:34:06,610
I just have
other people answer.
1011
00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:09,646
- I mean, that's
a little shady.
1012
00:34:09,748 --> 00:34:11,481
Are you hiding from someone?
1013
00:34:11,583 --> 00:34:14,951
Why have you been so mysterious
this whole time?
1014
00:34:15,054 --> 00:34:18,021
- I just didn't want him
to know who I am,
1015
00:34:18,123 --> 00:34:20,323
like, my name and everything.
1016
00:34:20,426 --> 00:34:21,858
[tense music]
1017
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,693
That's the reason why
I was having him
1018
00:34:23,796 --> 00:34:25,929
Cash App my friend
instead of me.
1019
00:34:26,031 --> 00:34:28,498
- But what would be so bad
about him knowing your name?
1020
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,033
I don't get it.
1021
00:34:30,135 --> 00:34:32,335
- I didn't want him to, like,
1022
00:34:32,438 --> 00:34:34,371
think that I was really, like,
1023
00:34:34,473 --> 00:34:36,106
wanting to really,
really be with him,
1024
00:34:36,208 --> 00:34:38,008
and I didn't wanna be with him.
1025
00:34:38,110 --> 00:34:39,142
- What?
1026
00:34:39,244 --> 00:34:41,178
- But why would you text me
1027
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,547
and tell me that you love me
1028
00:34:43,649 --> 00:34:44,781
and you wanna get married?
1029
00:34:44,883 --> 00:34:47,451
Like, I mean,
why would you do that?
1030
00:34:47,553 --> 00:34:49,319
- Because you kept
sending money,
1031
00:34:49,421 --> 00:34:50,754
so why not?
1032
00:34:50,856 --> 00:34:52,756
And you had never expected
me to Facetime you
1033
00:34:52,858 --> 00:34:55,092
or none of that, so, you know?
1034
00:34:55,194 --> 00:34:57,094
It was easy money.
1035
00:34:57,196 --> 00:34:59,496
He's pretty much, you know,
my sugar daddy.
1036
00:34:59,598 --> 00:35:00,864
- Sugar daddy?
1037
00:35:00,966 --> 00:35:02,466
I wish I could come
through the screen right now.
1038
00:35:02,568 --> 00:35:04,234
Sugar daddy.
That's funny.
1039
00:35:04,336 --> 00:35:05,368
- I can own up to it.
1040
00:35:05,471 --> 00:35:06,770
I used him for his money.
1041
00:35:06,872 --> 00:35:08,872
And, you know, it's a pandemic.
1042
00:35:08,974 --> 00:35:10,574
You know,
he was a good target.
1043
00:35:10,676 --> 00:35:13,143
And I feel like he's stupid.
1044
00:35:13,245 --> 00:35:16,246
Like, come on now.
What other way I could say it?
1045
00:35:16,348 --> 00:35:17,547
Like, he's really stupid.
1046
00:35:17,649 --> 00:35:19,683
[keys clacking aggressively]
1047
00:35:19,785 --> 00:35:21,518
And that's no tea, no shade.
1048
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:22,719
Like, there's no tea.
1049
00:35:22,821 --> 00:35:24,054
- But you led--
but you led me on.
1050
00:35:24,156 --> 00:35:26,490
You led me on, I mean.
1051
00:35:26,592 --> 00:35:27,924
- Do you have a job?
1052
00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:29,292
- I work on the Strip.
1053
00:35:29,394 --> 00:35:31,895
- So what did you do with all
this money that I sent you?
1054
00:35:31,997 --> 00:35:36,099
- Um, you know, bought me
expensive stuff, shoes.
1055
00:35:36,201 --> 00:35:38,502
Honestly, I told you
I needed an Uber,
1056
00:35:38,604 --> 00:35:39,603
but I didn't need an Uber.
1057
00:35:39,705 --> 00:35:41,071
I got a whole car.
1058
00:35:41,173 --> 00:35:43,373
[tense music]
1059
00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:44,975
- I live paycheck for paycheck.
1060
00:35:45,077 --> 00:35:47,377
Half the money I was giving you
was from bills
1061
00:35:47,479 --> 00:35:48,845
because I thought that you
1062
00:35:48,947 --> 00:35:51,014
were in trouble,
you needed help.
1063
00:35:51,116 --> 00:35:52,215
I mean, you led me on.
1064
00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:54,050
The texts in the morning.
1065
00:35:54,153 --> 00:35:56,153
And, you know,
me telling you, you know,
1066
00:35:56,255 --> 00:35:58,255
my deep, darkest secrets,
and I thought we had something.
1067
00:35:58,357 --> 00:35:59,956
[dramatic music]
1068
00:36:00,058 --> 00:36:01,458
This is just ridiculous.
1069
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,859
♪ ♪
1070
00:36:02,961 --> 00:36:04,761
- You said
in your text message to me
1071
00:36:04,863 --> 00:36:06,897
that "I [bleep] up,
but so did he."
1072
00:36:06,999 --> 00:36:09,666
What exactly did you mean,
"so did he?"
1073
00:36:09,768 --> 00:36:11,668
- Honestly, you're the catfish.
1074
00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:13,537
[dramatic musical sting]
1075
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:14,671
- What do you mean?
1076
00:36:14,773 --> 00:36:17,140
- This is not who he is
1077
00:36:17,242 --> 00:36:19,309
in the pictures on Jack'd.
1078
00:36:19,411 --> 00:36:20,644
That's not him.
1079
00:36:20,746 --> 00:36:23,280
It was the younger version
of him.
1080
00:36:23,382 --> 00:36:24,814
- You're saying
that Jason used
1081
00:36:24,917 --> 00:36:26,883
pictures of him
when he was younger...
1082
00:36:26,985 --> 00:36:28,919
- Yes, yes.
- On his profile.
1083
00:36:29,021 --> 00:36:30,020
- Yes.
1084
00:36:30,122 --> 00:36:32,022
- That picture wasn't
even that old.
1085
00:36:32,124 --> 00:36:33,790
I took that picture,
like, two years ago.
1086
00:36:33,892 --> 00:36:35,158
- Well, that don't look--
that don't--
1087
00:36:35,260 --> 00:36:36,726
that don't look like you, boo.
1088
00:36:36,828 --> 00:36:38,128
- Show us the picture.
1089
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:39,596
- This is the picture.
- And, like, he kept--
1090
00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:41,765
and by that--by that--
by that time,
1091
00:36:41,867 --> 00:36:44,367
he was already, you know--
1092
00:36:44,469 --> 00:36:45,835
- [bleep] this excuse, Omar.
1093
00:36:45,938 --> 00:36:48,338
It doesn't look
that different.
1094
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,906
- For you to try and say that
1095
00:36:50,008 --> 00:36:52,209
because you feel like
the picture he used
1096
00:36:52,311 --> 00:36:54,010
was a misrepresentation of him
1097
00:36:54,112 --> 00:36:55,779
which somehow
gives you permission
1098
00:36:55,881 --> 00:36:58,048
to take advantage of him,
1099
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:59,015
that's just bull[bleep].
1100
00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:01,384
- Look how he look.
Like, do you...
1101
00:37:01,486 --> 00:37:03,620
He's not cute.
Come on.
1102
00:37:03,722 --> 00:37:04,955
- He's a handsome man,
1103
00:37:05,057 --> 00:37:06,523
and he's a kind person.
- No, he's not!
1104
00:37:06,625 --> 00:37:08,124
No, he's not.
He's not.
1105
00:37:08,227 --> 00:37:10,660
- What's really not cute is
the way that you are behaving.
1106
00:37:10,762 --> 00:37:14,030
- Not only that,
he told me that he had HIV.
1107
00:37:14,132 --> 00:37:16,266
♪ ♪
1108
00:37:16,368 --> 00:37:19,970
- Are you criticizing him for
being open about his status?
1109
00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:22,505
- Like, come on now.
Like, that's--
1110
00:37:22,608 --> 00:37:25,208
- What benefits you
out of degrading Jason
1111
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:29,145
as a gay man who's a part
of that community?
1112
00:37:29,248 --> 00:37:31,448
And you know what
the stigma is like.
1113
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:33,316
That's so disappointing.
1114
00:37:33,418 --> 00:37:35,919
I have sisters
that are 13 years old,
1115
00:37:36,021 --> 00:37:38,788
and they have
more dignity and class than
1116
00:37:38,890 --> 00:37:41,291
what you are demonstrating
right here, right now.
1117
00:37:41,393 --> 00:37:44,561
- Jason has taken
a huge chance
1118
00:37:44,663 --> 00:37:46,863
in opening up about that,
not just with you,
1119
00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:49,332
but on the show
with lots of people.
1120
00:37:49,434 --> 00:37:50,967
That's something that he's
1121
00:37:51,069 --> 00:37:52,535
gotta live with
and struggle with,
1122
00:37:52,638 --> 00:37:55,405
and we should be nothing
but supportive of.
1123
00:37:55,507 --> 00:37:57,407
- I feel like
I could trust you, Mar.
1124
00:37:57,509 --> 00:37:59,809
I don't open up.
Not at all.
1125
00:37:59,911 --> 00:38:01,111
But I felt like
I could open up to you.
1126
00:38:01,213 --> 00:38:04,114
You don't have no morals
or no standards.
1127
00:38:04,216 --> 00:38:05,582
You're a scam artist.
1128
00:38:05,684 --> 00:38:07,350
- You can't put it all on me
1129
00:38:07,452 --> 00:38:09,919
because at the end of the day,
you kept sending money
1130
00:38:10,022 --> 00:38:12,589
even after you felt
like something was strange.
1131
00:38:12,691 --> 00:38:14,224
- But that's such bull[bleep].
1132
00:38:14,326 --> 00:38:16,459
He acted out of generosity
1133
00:38:16,561 --> 00:38:19,696
and love and hopefulness,
1134
00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:23,266
and you acted out of greed
and selfishness.
1135
00:38:23,368 --> 00:38:25,635
And so there is shame on you,
1136
00:38:25,737 --> 00:38:28,305
but not on Jason.
1137
00:38:28,407 --> 00:38:30,407
- Do I feel sorry?
1138
00:38:30,509 --> 00:38:31,541
Um, no.
- I bet you don't.
1139
00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:33,410
- I don't.
- It figures.
1140
00:38:33,512 --> 00:38:34,678
- You can get your money back.
1141
00:38:34,780 --> 00:38:36,246
I'll send you your money back.
1142
00:38:36,348 --> 00:38:37,914
- Can you do it now?
1143
00:38:38,016 --> 00:38:38,915
- Yeah.
1144
00:38:39,017 --> 00:38:40,984
- Okay.
Let's see it.
1145
00:38:41,086 --> 00:38:42,886
- I'ma send it to him
after the show.
1146
00:38:42,988 --> 00:38:44,387
♪ ♪
1147
00:38:44,489 --> 00:38:45,655
- Yeah.
Okay.
1148
00:38:45,757 --> 00:38:47,557
- Is this all, like--
1149
00:38:47,659 --> 00:38:49,292
did you come on here
to put on this act
1150
00:38:49,394 --> 00:38:50,593
or 'cause I just--
1151
00:38:50,696 --> 00:38:52,495
- No, this is really--
- I don't feel--
1152
00:38:52,597 --> 00:38:54,130
- No, this is really me
in real life.
1153
00:38:54,232 --> 00:38:56,266
- You're genuinely
a [bleep] human being?
1154
00:38:56,368 --> 00:38:57,701
Is that just who you are?
1155
00:38:57,803 --> 00:38:59,269
- Calm it down with me, okay?
1156
00:38:59,371 --> 00:39:02,639
What--any other questions?
- [laughing]
1157
00:39:02,741 --> 00:39:03,907
- Thank you.
You're dismissed.
1158
00:39:04,009 --> 00:39:05,442
- [laughing]
- You're dismissed.
1159
00:39:05,544 --> 00:39:06,943
- You can't dismiss me.
1160
00:39:07,045 --> 00:39:08,945
You don't have
the qualifications.
1161
00:39:09,047 --> 00:39:10,780
You do not have
the jurisdiction.
1162
00:39:10,882 --> 00:39:13,083
- You can't just
"dismiss" someone
1163
00:39:13,185 --> 00:39:15,085
because you don't like
what they have to say.
1164
00:39:15,187 --> 00:39:16,419
♪ ♪
1165
00:39:16,521 --> 00:39:17,921
- Keep being you,
1166
00:39:18,023 --> 00:39:19,889
and allow everyone, the world,
1167
00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:21,791
to see exactly who you are.
1168
00:39:21,893 --> 00:39:24,728
And let them hopefully stay
far away from you.
1169
00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:26,062
- Okay, you done?
1170
00:39:26,164 --> 00:39:28,164
- That's all I have to say.
1171
00:39:28,266 --> 00:39:29,466
- [exhales]
1172
00:39:29,568 --> 00:39:32,235
I don't even wanna see his face
anymore, to be honest.
1173
00:39:32,337 --> 00:39:33,970
- And I don't wanna
see yours either.
1174
00:39:34,072 --> 00:39:36,139
- I think we've had enough.
1175
00:39:36,241 --> 00:39:38,441
Bye.
- Bye.
1176
00:39:38,543 --> 00:39:40,076
[chimes]
1177
00:39:40,178 --> 00:39:43,546
- Jason, I would like
to apologize
1178
00:39:43,648 --> 00:39:46,750
for the way that he was trying
1179
00:39:46,852 --> 00:39:48,651
to degrade you.
1180
00:39:48,754 --> 00:39:50,186
You are a good person.
1181
00:39:50,288 --> 00:39:52,355
And there's nothing wrong--
- You're a good looking guy.
1182
00:39:52,457 --> 00:39:53,623
- Yeah!
- Thanks.
1183
00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:54,557
- What the [bleep]
he's talking about.
1184
00:39:54,659 --> 00:39:55,859
- [laughs]
1185
00:39:55,961 --> 00:39:58,695
- And somebody will accept you
for who you are,
1186
00:39:58,797 --> 00:40:01,731
exactly how you are, and there
is nothing to be ashamed of.
1187
00:40:01,833 --> 00:40:04,200
- Stop dating guys
on the Internet
1188
00:40:04,302 --> 00:40:06,603
that won't date you
in real life.
1189
00:40:06,705 --> 00:40:07,804
- Okay.
- Okay?
1190
00:40:07,906 --> 00:40:08,905
- [laughs]
- Period.
1191
00:40:09,007 --> 00:40:10,273
- You're absolutely right.
1192
00:40:10,375 --> 00:40:11,808
We'll see how life goes.
1193
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:13,410
- All right, Jason.
1194
00:40:13,512 --> 00:40:15,245
- God bless you all.
Thank you.
1195
00:40:15,347 --> 00:40:16,646
- God bless.
1196
00:40:16,748 --> 00:40:18,415
[laughs]
[chimes]
1197
00:40:18,517 --> 00:40:20,083
What a sweetheart.
1198
00:40:20,185 --> 00:40:22,819
- All right, Kamie.
Good work.
1199
00:40:22,921 --> 00:40:26,656
But, uh, you are now
officially dismissed.
1200
00:40:26,758 --> 00:40:28,224
- [bleep] off.
1201
00:40:28,326 --> 00:40:29,659
[laughter]
1202
00:40:29,761 --> 00:40:32,429
- ♪ We fight the good fight ♪
1203
00:40:32,531 --> 00:40:35,965
♪ There's no need
to waste it anymore ♪
1204
00:40:36,067 --> 00:40:39,002
♪ Ignore, ignore ♪
1205
00:40:39,104 --> 00:40:42,739
♪ The things you don't adore ♪
1206
00:40:42,841 --> 00:40:45,442
♪ We fight the good fight ♪
1207
00:40:54,386 --> 00:40:56,152
[lively bass music]
1208
00:40:56,254 --> 00:40:58,721
- Will meets this cosplay girl
named Cherry from Thailand.
1209
00:40:58,824 --> 00:41:00,457
- I've already applied
for my passport.
1210
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:01,558
I'm ready to roll, man.
1211
00:41:05,096 --> 00:41:07,363
- That was sketchy.
- That was weird, right?
1212
00:41:07,466 --> 00:41:09,365
- It could be a hustle.
Could be anything.
1213
00:41:09,468 --> 00:41:11,134
[computer chimes]
- Oh!
1214
00:41:11,236 --> 00:41:13,369
- Uh, hello?
1215
00:41:13,472 --> 00:41:14,404
- God.