- Jason's been talking with Mar,
someone he met on a hookup app.
- He makes me feel like I'm wanted.
- But you've sending money to this person.
- Do you see these red flags?
[line disconnects]
- [gasps]
It was a girl!
- This is crazy.
- Deep breath, Jason. Deep breath.
- I'm so nervous.
[computer chimes]
- Get the [BLEEP] out of here.
[dramatic musical sting]
[upbeat rock music]
- ♪ Keep crushing it up ♪
♪ Gimme, gimme the bust ♪
[computer chimes]
- What's up, girl?
- Oh, this is your "Dancing with the Stars" stretch?
- No, this is my standard back stretch.
[moans]
- Hold, hold, and breathe.
Deep stretch.
- Kamie, you have a nice voice.
You could do, like, guided meditation.
- Should I?
Push back into downward-facing dog.
- Yeah. That's nice.
- Think about all the good things in your life.
[laughter]
- All right.
Let's see what we got cooking up in the old email here.
This is from Marcella.
- ♪ Lay it on me, I'm listening ♪
- "Hey Nev and Kamie,
I'm writing in hopes that you can help my brother, Jason."
- ♪ Say what you want ♪
- "He's 32 years old and lives in [bleep], California.
"And he's being catfished.
"For the last two months,
"he's been talking to someone he met on a hookup app.
"At first, it seemed like harmless fun,
"but now I'm worried.
"They've never talked on the phone,
"never video chatted,
and Jason has been stood up twice."
- Mm.
- ♪ Some folks really don't listen much ♪
- "But here's the kicker.
"I found out that Jason has been sending money
"to this person.
"Jason is putting up with all of this
"because he recently went through a bad breakup.
"I think he's putting all of his hopes
"into this new relationship.
But I'm afraid Jason is going to get hurt again."
Forget hurt. He's getting scammed.
- ♪ Sell it to me, sell it to me ♪
- "Jason is a pastor
"and always wants to see the best in people.
"But I know it's gonna land him
"with another broken heart.
Please help, Marcella."
- Bless his heart.
- So we got a real problem here
because we got a pastor
rebounding from a bad breakup,
and obviously
some major red flags here.
So let's text Marcella
and see if she can jump in.
Oh, okay. She got my text.
She hearted it.
"Come in our Zoom."
[computer chimes]
Oh.
- Oh, my God. both: Hey.
- What's up? - Hi, Nev.
- Marcella. - Hi, Kamie.
- Hi.
- This just seems so unreal.
- Do you also live in California?
- No, I live in Dayton, Ohio.
- Oh, okay.
So did you guys grow up in Ohio?
- Yeah, we both grew up in Ohio.
Jason--I call him my brother,
but he's actually my best friend.
We met in college.
- Oh, okay.
- We talk every day, all day.
- Did you guys ever hook up?
- [laughing] No, no.
Strictly platonic. He's my best friend.
And he likes guys, so...
- Wow.
So he's a progressive pastor.
I love this.
- I just foolishly assumed it was a girl.
- He's gay.
He just loves light-skinned, pretty boys.
- Oh, God.
- [laughs]
- Hell, has he been openly gay as long as you've known him?
- Yeah.
- Okay, so Jason met this guy on an app.
Do you know which app it was? - Jack'd.
- Oh, my God. I know about Jack'd.
- What's this guy's name? Do you know?
- Yeah. His name is Mar.
He lives in Vegas. - Got it.
- And why do you think he's fake?
- He only texts Jason.
When he asks to Facetime him, he won't Facetime him.
He always have an excuse.
When he went to Vegas, you know,
he didn't meet up with him.
So now it just has me thinking, like,
he's probably catfishing him.
- But you said that Jason has been
sending him a lot of money.
What's that about? - He has.
He has sent him probably over $500.
- Wow. - For what?
- Exactly.
What are you sending him money for?
Jason is very gullible.
- You mentioned in the email
that Jason recently had a bad breakup.
- Yeah, he just got out of a bad marriage.
- Oh, wow. How long was he married?
- Two, three years. - Oh, wow.
- So you do think Jason
would be accepting of our help?
- I mentioned you guys to him before.
I said, you know, "This sounds pretty shady.
I'm gonna email 'Catfish' about this."
- [laughs]
- What's the best way for us to get in touch with Jason?
- I could text him.
- Yeah, and invite him to join our Zoom.
- Yep, I just texted him.
- Okay. Great.
- Well.
- Hope he isn't gonna be upset with me.
[laughter]
- I hope not. [computer chimes]
- Oh.
- Hello, Jason.
- Kamie and Nev, how you guys doing?
- We're doing well.
You know, I got the call from Jesus,
and he told me that you need help.
[laughing] - Oh, Lord.
[laughter]
- So you're a pastor, right?
- Yeah. I am a pastor.
- I'm assuming that your church
is open-minded and accepting of homosexuality?
- Um, yes and no.
Um, you know, we have older members
who are confound on, you know,
homosexuality is a sin and you'll go to hell.
But, I mean... - Mm.
- I'm not concerned because we have
younger members that are, like,
it really doesn't matter what your walk of life is
as long as you, you know, come to Christ.
- I'm a Christian too.
And love is not a sin.
So it doesn't matter who it is that you love.
That's--there's nothing wrong with that.
- You know, you right. [chuckles]
- So this guy you're talking to, Mar...
- Yes.
- I think we need to kind of just get into the specifics.
Marcella, you already know all this,
but we wanna hear it from him.
Thank you for getting our attention.
- Absolutely.
Good luck, Jason! - [laughing]
- I hope you get all, you know, the answers you're looking for.
- All right, sister.
- Bye, Marcella.
Aww. She loves you.
- She does. She does.
- So you're 32 now, right?
- Right.
- When did you get married?
- I got married three years ago.
But after a while, there was no love there.
I felt more like a sugar daddy.
We're separated.
We're going through the divorce process.
- Aww. Jason, I'm sorry.
- I'm genuine. I'm looking for real love,
and it just wasn't there.
- How long before you met Mar?
- A week after. - Wow.
Okay.
- So tell us about Mar
and kind of how you got to where you are with him.
- I know that he lives in Las Vegas.
He's a security guard on the Strip.
He's 21 years old.
- 21?
- [laughs] Yeah.
I...
I like younger guys.
I think that's my downfall, like, light-skin and young.
I'm just like, oh, my God.
- No, no, no! - [laughs]
- Oh, man.
- But Jack'd is, like,
a location-based app, right?
How did you guys match in the first place?
- I was in Las Vegas on vacation.
My last day there, I was bored,
so I'm like, "Let's see who's around."
Bam, his profile showed
that he was two miles away from me.
So I hit him up.
I'm like, "Well, you know, I'm here in Vegas.
Do you wanna, you know, hang out?"
He was like, "I can't hang out tonight
'cause I have to go to work."
Which--that's understandable, you know?
You hit someone up last minute.
- That makes sense,
but then you went back to California,
and you guys started talking.
What happened?
- The conversation is there.
Just to wake up in the morning
and have someone text you "Good morning"
makes you feel good.
He makes me feel like I'm wanted.
He texts me "I'm going to work."
If his day is slow,
we'll have a little conversation.
But sometimes, I am kind of afraid
to text back when he's at work
because he always wants me to get him an Uber.
- What? - [laughs]
- You mean, like, to go to or home from work?
- Yeah. - What?
- Wait, you actually call the Uber in your app?
- No, so I send him money.
[hip-hop music]
- Mm. - Jason.
- Me personally, I don't think
he's doing anything malicious with it
because he always says he's gonna pay me back.
- Has he? - No.
He hasn't paid me back.
I sent over, like, $500.
- How are you sending him the money?
- So I'm sending him the money
through his friend's Cash App.
- His friend's Cash App?
♪ ♪
Jason!
- Well, he told me that his Cash App got blocked.
- Who's his friend? - Her name is Amber.
♪ ♪
I tried to look her up,
but I couldn't find anything on her.
- And hold on.
And you haven't talked on the phone to Mar
in all of these months?
- No, I haven't. No.
Not at all. Just text messages.
- Have you tried to get on a phone call with him?
- I tried calling his phone.
You know, it rang, and rang, and rang.
And then it went to voice mail.
So I'm thinking maybe he's at work
or maybe he's busy.
[tense music]
- And what about social media?
Does Mar have an Instagram or a Snapchat?
- I tried to add him on those social media sites,
but I couldn't find him personally.
- And did you guys ever make plans to meet up?
- We had planned something for him to come out here.
I bought him a Greyhound ticket.
I sat out there for almost two hours
waiting on his bus.
And he never came.
So I called the phone,
and a female picked up.
And I'm like,
"Who is this?"
And she was like, "Who is this?"
And then the phone hung up.
[dramatic music]
[laughter]
- Jason!
Jason! - Oh, my God, yes.
- Do you see these red flags?
- Yeah, I'm not gullible. I know.
- There's no way.
- Jason, you're a smart guy.
What is it about this guy, Mar,
that's so meaningful to you?
- It's just like, you know, I have so much trust in him.
- But where does that trust come from?
How did he earn so much trust from you?
- Okay, so I've always held this secret
for 11 years.
Um, I am HIV positive.
So... - Wow.
- When I told him I'm HIV positive,
you know, you can either accept it or not.
He texted back, like,
"Oh, yeah. That's fine."
And he said that he would take PREP.
[soft music]
Which--that really meant something to me
'cause with someone living with HIV for 11 years,
there's still a stereotype there.
So when you have someone
who is willing to take PREP,
that really just did something to me.
Mar was the first person I ever told
that I was HIV positive in three years.
- Wow.
- So I just accepted everything that was going on
in hopes of "We're gonna build a future together."
I just hope that something good comes out of this.
I'm praying it will.
- [sighs]
Well, do you have pictures of Mar?
- I only have two photos.
[laughs]
- Can we see the photos?
- Yeah. Sure.
[tense music]
- Uh-huh...
- This is a picture he sent you?
- No, actually, I took that picture off of his profile.
- So this was on Jack'd? - Yes.
- So he never texted you actual photos?
- There was one. Let me see.
♪ ♪
- Okay.
- So he has sent you this one photo?
- Yeah.
- The fact that he can't even send you
other pictures of him is weird.
- Yeah.
- I'm just trying to think is there any chance
that it could be your ex-husband messing with you?
- I don't know. I don't think it's him.
- What if we find out Jason
isn't the guy in the pictures?
- It's gonna just destroy me.
I can't have my heart broken again.
I just need to know.
- So why don't you let us do some research?
Send us the info you have for Mar.
- Okay.
- We'll talk to you real soon. All right, Jason?
- All righty. Thank you so much.
- All right. - Okay, Jason.
- Later. - Hang in there.
- Oh, hell no.
You could not write
a more absurdly obvious catfish scenario.
- [sighs] I know.
But Jason is a really nice guy, and he deserves love.
- No one deserves to be treated like this.
This is crazy.
- Whether it's his ex-husband messing with him
or anybody else taking advantage of him,
it's not gonna be good.
[upbeat music]
[computer chimes]
- Buenas tardes.
- All right.
We definitely have our hands full
with this one, okay?
Jason's boyfriend, "Mar"--
they've been talking now a couple months.
They obviously haven't video chatted.
They haven't talked on the phone.
Most importantly,
Mar asks for money all the time
but uses a Cash App for his friend, who's a woman
named Amber. - Mm-hmm.
- And when Jason called,
a woman answered the phone.
And of course, Mar said he was gonna come visit,
and Jason paid for a bus ticket.
That didn't happen.
So, I mean, this whole thing is just a mess.
- A mess.
- All right. So, hey, hey.
Here's an email from Jason.
"Hey, Nev and Kamie. Thanks for your help.
His name is Mar."
Doesn't even know his last name.
We've got a phone number.
And then, "The Cash App I've been
"sending money to is...
$amberbunny[bleep]."
And then images.
All right, well, let's do an image search.
Let's search this one.
- The one from his profile. - Right.
So let's actually start with that one.
♪ ♪
Doesn't look like there's any hit with this.
No hit there.
Let's do the one in the mirror.
♪ ♪
No. - No.
- Hold on. The only other thing
I think we should do quickly
is search this Cash App username.
- Hm.
- Let's take out the money sign.
What about just "amber bunny [bleep]?"
♪ ♪
No results.
- [whispers] Weird.
- Do you have Cash App?
- Mm-hmm.
- Can you look her up on your app and see what happens?
- A picture comes up.
- Oh, wait. Hold on.
There we go. Huh.
- Uh-huh!
What if I send you a screenshot
of that Cash App picture and we run it?
- Sure.
Okay. Got it.
[tense music]
[grunts]
♪ ♪
No.
All right. Phone search.
♪ ♪
- Ah. - Oh, here we go.
Las Vegas.
Potential owner...
Eric D. [bleep] Jr.
Well, that's promising.
- Yeah.
- And it looks like it's an actual cell phone,
and not just some weird text app number.
- But look at the age.
[dramatic musical sting]
- Ooh. 50.
Well, that could be his dad.
That would make sense if he's supposed to be 21.
Relatives.
Mary--oh!
- Mary. - Mar.
[dramatic musical sting]
- Mary has Mar in it.
- I'm not ready to obviously make too much out of these yet
aside from the fact that... - Mm-hmm.
- There's clearly some connection
with the phone number that Jason has for Mar
and this Eric [bleep] Jr.
Why don't we go on Facebook
and search Eric [bleep] Jr?
Let's do city.
Las Vegas.
[tense music building]
Oh. Eric D. [bleep] Jr!
- That's him. - Whoa.
- Oh, boy.
- Look--it says right here.
"Support local cops and security guards."
Mar said that he worked security on the strip.
Could this just be the guy?
- Look. He's married.
Has a family.
Could be a middle-aged guy with a secret online life.
If I had to stop investigating right now,
I would say there's a lot of reason to believe
it could be this guy.
- The chance of Mar actually just being
an older guy who wants to experiment
with his sexuality on a gay dating app--
it doesn't explain the Ubers and all that other [bleep].
Like, why is Mar asking Jason for money?
- It's definitely weird.
- That's super weird.
- Here are the possibilities, right?
There's always the possibility that it is in fact, Mar,
the guy in the pictures.
I can't completely rule that out,
but I could say with a lot of confidence that's not the case.
Then obviously, it could be this guy,
Eric [bleep] Jr.
whose name is associated directly to the phone number.
Eric also has a relative named Mary,
which might be the connection to Mar.
So there's a chance it could be Mary.
[dramatic musical sting]
- And obviously, this Amber person.
We don't even know who that is,
if that is a person.
- The only other thing is
Jason's ex-husband... - [gasps]
- Messing with him.
Maybe he's broke and knows that Jason is generous
and giving and can be easily taken advantage of.
- We should've gotten more information about this ex.
- Still just so many questions that we don't have answers for,
and it still doesn't make any sense.
All those little lies suggest to me
that everything is a lie.
[dramatic music]
- So look.
Let's bring Jason back into the Zoom.
[funky music]
Let's see.
♪ ♪
[computer chimes]
- Hello. - There he is.
Any changes, feelings, updates?
- Just waiting to see what comes to all of this.
- Yeah.
So we'll show you what we did.
But it just sort of raises more questions,
but we'll go through it. - Okay.
- When we ran the phone number,
it came back as an actual cell phone in Las Vegas
with an owner
named Eric [bleep] Jr.
- Hm.
- Interestingly, though,
in the relatives down here,
there is someone named Mary.
Now it might just be a stretch
to say that Mary and Mar...
you know, obviously share three of four letters.
Because you haven't talked to Mar on the phone,
there is a chance that it could be a woman.
- Right.
- Those names don't mean anything to you, do they?
- No. Not at all.
- Here's what's really interesting.
When we searched for Eric [bleep] Jr. on Facebook,
we got a hit
for a guy, Eric [bleep] Jr.
And he looks about the same age
as the guy in the phone search results.
- Oh, wow.
- So this has to be the guy who's connected
to the phone number.
- Wow.
- It's unusual that when we run a phone number,
we get a consistent match to a name
and we find the Facebook page
for that person in that city.
If we were going by the technical evidence
that we've been able to get,
I would say this is your guy.
- God, I hope not.
- I'm assuming this guy is not your type.
- Yeah, no, definitely not.
- And look. He's a big cop supporter.
"Support local cops and security guards."
You said Mar is a security guard.
- Ugh.
- This guy is married and has a family.
- Maybe he's on the DL.
He doesn't wanna compromise his family life,
so he made this fake profile on Jack'd
and has been talking to younger guys.
It's a possibility.
- I--oh, my God.
I'm just...
Ugh. This is stressful.
- Some other things we tried.
We searched for amberbunny[bleep]
different ways,
with the money sign, with spaces.
- Mm-hmm. - And we couldn't find
anything that felt like a hit.
And we did a search for the photo
to see if maybe that was someone that we could find.
And we didn't get any hits there either.
So all we've really got is this connection
to Eric [bleep] Jr.
[dramatic musical sting]
But we usually consider
that it's possible an ex could be involved.
♪ ♪
So this was soon after you
and your husband separated, right?
- A week after. - Whoa.
Did he know you were going to Vegas?
- Yeah, he knew I was going to Las Vegas.
- You know, maybe he feels like there's still more life
in your relationship.
Could he have potentially been doing this
to kind of get you back?
- What was the final straw for the relationship?
- When I had bought my second car,
um, I let him use it, and he just never returned.
[dramatic music]
- He bounced? - Yeah.
- What?
- He stole your car. - Yeah.
And unfortunately, they said because it's my husband,
it's not considered theft.
- What?
- And he tried to call me
a week and a half ago, but I didn't pick up.
- I mean, we know he's messed with you.
Maybe he's doing this to get more money from you.
I don't know.
- He never had a job when we were together.
I mean, like I said, he called a week and a half ago.
And the only time he calls
is for money.
- I wouldn't put it past him
to potentially be doing this.
- If he were to have made this profile,
he would've known how to cater the interests
to something that you might like.
- I mean, my--I--ugh.
I'm kind of tongue-tied right now.
- Now between Eric and your ex-husband,
I'd have to lean towards your ex-husband
if I had to make a decision right now
based on what you've told us.
But, like, that's where we're at.
- What are the chances that maybe this is just
a girl that makes these fake profiles
on random dating apps?
And it doesn't who it's targeting
but scams through Jack'd and other apps.
For you, she's using the name Amber on Cash App.
I mean, could that be Mary?
Or Amber? - Who knows?
- This is crazy.
[sighs]
- ♪ I gotta stop pretending ♪
♪ People wouldn't let me down ♪
[EST's "Fresh Out of Love"]
- What human being gets up in the morning and says,
"Oh, let me mess with somebody's heart and emotions?"
And it's not sitting right with my stomach.
I mean... [sighs]
- ♪ I wasn't really looking when I saw the warning signs ♪
- I thought that, you know, we would get, you know,
to a point to where, you know, at least something
was pointing towards, you know, this is actually Mar.
But it seems like it's pointing somewhere else.
- ♪ Because I'm... ♪
- Someone's trying to hide something.
- ♪ Fresh out of love ♪
♪ I'm all used up ♪
♪ Don't have enough ♪
♪ I'm fresh out of love ♪
- This is crazy.
[sighs]
- I mean, look. Jason.
When we talked to you earlier,
you were very hopeful
that this guy, Mar, was who he said he was.
How do you feel about Mar now?
- I'm still hopeful.
I mean, I'm getting a little worried
'cause it seems like things aren't pointing
to this actual person.
But I still love him.
You know, regardless of the facts.
- I think it's time
to hit up Mar.
[tense music]
But are you ready for that, Jason?
- Yeah. Definitely.
- We should call... - [gasps]
- From a number they don't have.
- Okay.
- Let's give it a shot, see what happens.
- Okay. - What are you gonna say?
- What do I--I don't know. What do I say?
"I'm looking for Mar?"
- No. Say somebody else.
- Yeah, but then if they're just like,
"Sorry, wrong number," then what do I do?
- Be like, "Hey, I just got a call from this number.
Who is this?"
- Well, here goes nothing.
[line trilling]
[whispers] Can you guys hear it?
[ominous music]
[rustling over phone]
♪ ♪
- Hey.
I just got a call from this number.
I'm just calling you back.
[line disconnects]
Oh. - [gasps]
It was a girl!
- Wow.
- Was that the same female voice
that answered the first time?
- That's the same voice.
- Interesting.
Should I try back and see what happens?
- [sighs]
- And just explain it? - Yeah.
- I won't be shady this time.
[line trilling]
[tense music]
- Hey, sorry about that. I think I was confused.
Um, I was looking for Mar,
but maybe I have the wrong number.
- My name is Nev.
I'm a friend of Jason.
I'm actually the host of the show "Catfish."
♪ ♪
[line disconnects]
Oh. - Oh, my God.
[dramatic music]
- I should just text her. - Yeah.
- All right. - Say, "The jig is up, shorty."
- This is just crazy.
- "So like I was saying, my name is Nev,
"and I'm the host of the show 'Catfish.'
"I'm trying to help a guy named Jason
"get in touch with his friend, Mar.
"It seems that you are the person Jason has been texting
and are obviously not who he thinks you are."
All right. So I'm gonna send this.
- Okay.
- And let's just see what happens.
- This is crazy.
- So that message was read just now.
- Okay.
- I mean, it's hard to understand
why the phone number you've been texting
would be in the hands of a woman,
not just the one time you called,
but now another time.
- Right.
- Although the phone is registered to Eric,
a woman named Mary is listed as a relative.
It could be a family plan. Mary, Mar.
- It's just not adding up.
- And for her to answer with such confidence,
I think obviously the phone belongs to a woman.
- But why go through all this trouble?
That's what I don't understand, like--
[sighs]
- I feel like we're past the point of being optimistic.
And now it's time to turn our sights
into being stern.
- Yeah.
- I think today has obviously been a lot,
and we should pick back up on it tomorrow
with fresh eyes and, like, a fresh mind.
But I want for you to really think about
what it is that you're planning
on saying to this person, because...
- Okay.
- The likelihood of this ending up
the way that you want it to--
it's not feeling good.
- Yeah.
- Let's give whoever this is
a chance to think about it too
and check back in in the morning.
- Okay. Awesome.
- All right. Good night, Jason.
- All righty. Good night, guys.
- Good night.
Poor thing.
He's been through enough. - Yeah.
Hopefully, we can get some answers for him soon.
I'll let you know if I hear anything
from Mystery "Mar."
- "Mystery Mary."
- Yeah. - All right.
- Okay, bye. - Byeee.
[line disconnects]
[insects chirping]
- I still love him.
I will always love him.
You know...
But I just wanna-- I just need answers, you know?
I really hope it's him.
I'd be heartbroken, like I said,
if it doesn't go the way I want it to go.
All right. Thank you.
[tense music]
[computer chimes]
- Hey.
I got big news. - What's the tea?
- Check this out.
I just got a text from Mar.
[dramatic music]
"I may have [bleep] up, but so did he."
♪ ♪
- It's the ex.
- It's the ex! - It's the ex.
- "Whoa.
"Wasn't expecting that.
Can you be a bit more specific?"
- But this is the same number
of the woman who answered the phone,
so it can't be the ex.
What girl has he [bleep] up with?
- Well, that's why now at this point,
I'm always so tempted to just assume
everyone's lying.
Even though Jason's story seemed so sad
and he's like this poor little puppy dog
who just wants to be loved,
is he?
Is Jason completely innocent here?
- I'ma let you handle this.
- Let me text him.
- I'ma mind my business.
[dramatic music]
- "Morning."
- "We need to talk."
- "We gotta talk."
[keys clacking]
- [sighs]
He better not be lying to us either.
[computer chimes] Oh.
- Hi.
- Good morning. How'd you sleep?
- [sighs]
I tossed and turned all night.
Just having this conflict on my mind,
I mean, I'm just stressed.
♪ ♪
- Oh, well listen.
We got a text back from "Mar" this morning.
- Okay.
- And the text said,
"If you want to know who the catfish is...
"Ask Jason.
"I may have [bleep] up,
but so did he."
[dramatic music]
♪ ♪
- Um...
I mean...
[sighs]
I don't know.
I mean, I just don't know, to be honest.
- Okay.
It just feels like we're not getting the whole story.
I'm not sure what else we can do to help
if you don't unlock whatever
missing piece of this puzzle we need.
[dramatic music]
- We got a text back from "Mar."
"I may have [bleep] up, but so did he."
Jason, is there something you're not telling us?
It just feels like we're not getting the whole story.
[dramatic music]
♪ ♪
- Um...
I mean...
♪ ♪
[sighs]
I don't know.
Did I harm someone and not even realize it?
And--and--and, you know,
I don't know.
- Mar seems to be a woman
with whom you've had some sort of history.
- Have you dated girls in the past?
♪ ♪
- Um, one.
[suspenseful music]
- When was that?
- Um...
♪ ♪
Like, a year ago.
- Wait, but hold on a second.
You were married. You had an affair?
- Oh. - With a woman?
- [stuttering]
No.
I don't know. I wouldn't call it an affair.
♪ ♪
I mean, there was no sexual intimacy.
I mean, yeah, we kissed.
But, I mean, I don't look at that as sexual.
- What? - I mean...
it never went that far.
- But Jason, did this woman think
she was in a romantic relationship with you?
- I don't--I don't know.
- Did he know that you were married to a man?
- No.
- Jason, when we asked you,
"Could this be someone that you know or from the past?"
like, you didn't mention that you had
some sort of a romantic engagement
with this woman while you were married,
which would not only potentially give
your ex-husband a reason to be upset with you,
but also this woman.
- I don't know.
- Hopefully, her name was not Mary.
- Uh, no, Her name was [bleep].
- Are you in touch with her anymore?
- No.
- Did she ask for money for anything?
- I mean, yeah. She asked for money,
you know, for, you know, uh,
personal things and, you know, I gave it to her.
- When you called Mar and a woman picked up,
could that be the same person?
- I mean, you could be right.
It might be her.
I don't think it's my ex-husband.
- It could be both of them.
Who knows who it is, but like,
clearly, this person, whatever they have to say,
it might not be good.
- [sighs]
I just don't know what I did to hurt whoever it is
to even go to this point,
to even be sitting here talking to you guys.
You know?
I need to know who this person is.
- Even if it means airing out
some of your own dirty laundry?
[tense music]
- Yeah.
- Oh.
I'm ready to find out if you are.
- Our text message from this morning
has gone unread.
- I think we should call.
- Yeah.
- All right. I'm gonna try it.
[line trilling]
- You have reached the voicemail box of 7--
- All right.
I'll follow up with a text.
I'm being nice because I wanna obviously
encourage them to respond.
- Butter 'em up. Butter 'em up.
- Okay. Oh, check it out.
"Okay, how do we do this?"
♪ ♪
I said, "Can you join a Zoom with me and Kamie?"
- [sighs] This is crazy.
- Oh, they're writing. Oh, God.
Oh.- Jason there?
It's time for him to know the truth."
[yelps]
- Wow, okay. - Wow.
- Okay, well,
they've decided, Jason.
- Here we go.
- Deep breath, Jason. Deep breath.
[dramatic music]
- I'm so nervous.
I feel like I'm gonna throw up.
It's just the wait, like, come on.
Pop in so I can see who you are.
- If it is Mar, I'm gonna fall out of my chair.
There is no way.
- Oh, my God.
♪ ♪
[computer chimes]
[suspenseful music]
- Deep breath, Jason. Deep breath.
- I'm so nervous.
I feel like I'm gonna throw up.
[computer chimes]
[dramatic music]
- What? What's tea?
- Oh!
- God. - What?
- Oh, my God. That's crazy.
- Get the [bleep] out of here.
- [laughing]
Ugh! - I mean...
Do I have to, like, clean my computer screen?
Am I seeing this right?
- I can't.
- Hello. Uh, I'm not sure what to say.
We're all a little dumbfounded here.
- Are you serious?
- Mar, is that your name?
- No. My name is actually Omar.
Omar. - Oh, that makes sense.
Okay. I see that now.
- Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I'm 21. I live in Vegas.
- And has it been you the whole time?
- Yeah, it's been me this whole time.
[tense music]
- Who was the woman that answered the phone?
- It was my roommate.
- Is there a reason that you had her answer or just...
- When it's numbers that I don't know,
I just have other people answer.
- I mean, that's a little shady.
Are you hiding from someone?
Why have you been so mysterious this whole time?
- I just didn't want him to know who I am,
like, my name and everything.
[tense music]
That's the reason why I was having him
Cash App my friend instead of me.
- But what would be so bad about him knowing your name?
I don't get it.
- I didn't want him to, like,
think that I was really, like,
wanting to really, really be with him,
and I didn't wanna be with him.
- What?
- But why would you text me
and tell me that you love me
and you wanna get married?
Like, I mean, why would you do that?
- Because you kept sending money,
so why not?
And you had never expected me to Facetime you
or none of that, so, you know?
It was easy money.
He's pretty much, you know, my sugar daddy.
- Sugar daddy?
I wish I could come through the screen right now.
Sugar daddy. That's funny.
- I can own up to it.
I used him for his money.
And, you know, it's a pandemic.
You know, he was a good target.
And I feel like he's stupid.
Like, come on now. What other way I could say it?
Like, he's really stupid.
[keys clacking aggressively]
And that's no tea, no shade.
Like, there's no tea.
- But you led-- but you led me on.
You led me on, I mean.
- Do you have a job?
- I work on the Strip.
- So what did you do with all this money that I sent you?
- Um, you know, bought me expensive stuff, shoes.
Honestly, I told you I needed an Uber,
but I didn't need an Uber.
I got a whole car.
[tense music]
- I live paycheck for paycheck.
Half the money I was giving you was from bills
because I thought that you
were in trouble, you needed help.
I mean, you led me on.
The texts in the morning.
And, you know, me telling you, you know,
my deep, darkest secrets, and I thought we had something.
[dramatic music]
This is just ridiculous.
♪ ♪
- You said in your text message to me
that "I [bleep] up, but so did he."
What exactly did you mean, "so did he?"
- Honestly, you're the catfish.
[dramatic musical sting]
- What do you mean?
- This is not who he is
in the pictures on Jack'd.
That's not him.
It was the younger version of him.
- You're saying that Jason used
pictures of him when he was younger...
- Yes, yes. - On his profile.
- Yes.
- That picture wasn't even that old.
I took that picture, like, two years ago.
- Well, that don't look-- that don't--
that don't look like you, boo.
- Show us the picture.
- This is the picture. - And, like, he kept--
and by that--by that-- by that time,
he was already, you know--
- [bleep] this excuse, Omar.
It doesn't look that different.
- For you to try and say that
because you feel like the picture he used
was a misrepresentation of him
which somehow gives you permission
to take advantage of him,
that's just bull[bleep].
- Look how he look. Like, do you...
He's not cute. Come on.
- He's a handsome man,
and he's a kind person. - No, he's not!
No, he's not. He's not.
- What's really not cute is the way that you are behaving.
- Not only that, he told me that he had HIV.
♪ ♪
- Are you criticizing him for being open about his status?
- Like, come on now. Like, that's--
- What benefits you out of degrading Jason
as a gay man who's a part of that community?
And you know what the stigma is like.
That's so disappointing.
I have sisters that are 13 years old,
and they have more dignity and class than
what you are demonstrating right here, right now.
- Jason has taken a huge chance
in opening up about that, not just with you,
but on the show with lots of people.
That's something that he's
gotta live with and struggle with,
and we should be nothing but supportive of.
- I feel like I could trust you, Mar.
I don't open up. Not at all.
But I felt like I could open up to you.
You don't have no morals or no standards.
You're a scam artist.
- You can't put it all on me
because at the end of the day, you kept sending money
even after you felt like something was strange.
- But that's such bull[bleep].
He acted out of generosity
and love and hopefulness,
and you acted out of greed and selfishness.
And so there is shame on you,
but not on Jason.
- Do I feel sorry?
Um, no. - I bet you don't.
- I don't. - It figures.
- You can get your money back.
I'll send you your money back.
- Can you do it now?
- Yeah.
- Okay. Let's see it.
- I'ma send it to him after the show.
♪ ♪
- Yeah. Okay.
- Is this all, like--
did you come on here to put on this act
or 'cause I just--
- No, this is really-- - I don't feel--
- No, this is really me in real life.
- You're genuinely a [bleep] human being?
Is that just who you are?
- Calm it down with me, okay?
What--any other questions? - [laughing]
- Thank you. You're dismissed.
- [laughing] - You're dismissed.
- You can't dismiss me.
You don't have the qualifications.
You do not have the jurisdiction.
- You can't just "dismiss" someone
because you don't like what they have to say.
♪ ♪
- Keep being you,
and allow everyone, the world,
to see exactly who you are.
And let them hopefully stay far away from you.
- Okay, you done?
- That's all I have to say.
- [exhales]
I don't even wanna see his face anymore, to be honest.
- And I don't wanna see yours either.
- I think we've had enough.
Bye. - Bye.
[chimes]
- Jason, I would like to apologize
for the way that he was trying
to degrade you.
You are a good person.
And there's nothing wrong-- - You're a good looking guy.
- Yeah! - Thanks.
- What the [bleep] he's talking about.
- [laughs]
- And somebody will accept you for who you are,
exactly how you are, and there is nothing to be ashamed of.
- Stop dating guys on the Internet
that won't date you in real life.
- Okay. - Okay?
- [laughs] - Period.
- You're absolutely right.
We'll see how life goes.
- All right, Jason.
- God bless you all. Thank you.
- God bless.
[laughs] [chimes]
What a sweetheart.
- All right, Kamie. Good work.
But, uh, you are now officially dismissed.
- [bleep] off.
[laughter]
- ♪ We fight the good fight ♪
♪ There's no need to waste it anymore ♪
♪ Ignore, ignore ♪
♪ The things you don't adore ♪
♪ We fight the good fight ♪
[lively bass music]
- Will meets this cosplay girl named Cherry from Thailand.
- I've already applied for my passport.
I'm ready to roll, man.
- That was sketchy. - That was weird, right?
- It could be a hustle. Could be anything.
[computer chimes] - Oh!
- Uh, hello?
- God.