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- Michael is a reality TV star
who's fallen in love
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with Julia,
a girl he met online.
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- We talked about our future,
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how many kids
she wants to have.
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But this is
a very tough situation.
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because he said
that she's a virgin.
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- [gasps]
- Wait a second.
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52 mutual friends? Wow.
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- That would be reality stars.
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- So she's a fangirl.
There has to be a catch.
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- What the hell's going on?
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- Feel like I'm gonna have
a heart attack.
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[chiming]
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- ♪ I'll make 'em say yeah ♪
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♪ ♪
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- This morning,
my four-legged son
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decided to create destruction
and havoc in my home.
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Why? Why'd you do that?
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- ♪ I'll make 'em say yeah ♪
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- Are you sorry?
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No? Okay.
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- ♪ I'll make 'em say yeah ♪
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- Hey, Beauty Queen.
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- You got texts.
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Finally, Nev addresses me
as I should be addressed.
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- "Finally some respect."
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[laughs]
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[chiming]
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- Oh.
- There she is.
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- Hell--wow!
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Oh, my God.
Some color in your world.
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- I guess that's true. I don't
really ever wear color, so--
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- "Dancing with the Stars" is
turning you into a new person.
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- All right, let's dive
into a new Catfish case.
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- I'm ready.
- All right.
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Here is our email.
This is from Russell.
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"Hey, Nev and Kamie.
My name is Russell.
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"Several months ago.
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"A girl named Julia
reached out to me.
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"She was flirty for a while.
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"But it never went anywhere.
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"And I never thought much of
it, until recently,
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"when my friend Michael told me
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he had fallen hard
for a girl he met online."
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- ♪ They say the past
is the past ♪
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"Then I realized
it was the same Julia."
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- Ooh.
- ♪ Oh, I believe ♪
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- "Michael has been talking to
her for four months.
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- ♪ I believe, I believe,
I believe ♪
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- "And she only wants to text.
No video calls.
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"But Michael is ready to uproot
his life to be with her
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and even give her a kid."
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- ♪ I believe in this ♪
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- "I don't trust her.
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"And Michael and I have
a shared experience
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that makes us vulnerable
to online advances."
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- Hm.
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"I don't want to see
my friend get played.
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"And I need you guys to knock
some sense into Michael
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"and see this girl
for who she potentially is:
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"a catfish and a liar.
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All the best. Russell."
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Wow.
- So, Russell was catfished
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by Julia.
- Presumably.
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- Possibly.
- Right.
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These two friends have both
interacted with the same girl.
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Russell's convinced
she's a catfish,
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but now Michael's on the hook
and doesn't want to hear it.
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- Hm, and what's this weird
vulnerability?
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- So we gotta call Russell
and get a little bit more info.
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Let me text him.
- I wanna know
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what this thing is.
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What is the secret?
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- What is this--
is this secret?
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He said, "Hey Nev. Thanks,
yeah hope y'all
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can help my boy."
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- Oh yeah, he didn't say
where he's from.
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- Did not say where he's from.
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But we'll find
out soon enough.
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- But he said "y'all."
[computer chimes]
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Ah!
- Oh.
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- Hi!
- Wait, "The Russell--"
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What
What does that shirt say?
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- "The Russell Hantz Show."
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It's a YouTube podcast.
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And I was on a few reality
TV events.
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- Oh?
- Yeah. One being "Survivor."
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- [gasps] Did you survive?
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- I was a three-time
contestant,
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two-time fan favorite.
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- Wow.
- That's insane.
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- And Michael was on
reality TV too.
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- I knew there was
something up.
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And I was like,
what could it be?
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But this is it.
- Yeah. Well, he was, like,
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a fan favorite
on "Big Brother."
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- Oh, my God.
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- I met Michael
doing reality TV events.
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And I've been friends with him
for about ten years now.
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- Where do you guys both live?
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- Well, I live in Houston.
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- Oh, okay.
- He's all over the place.
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Right now, he's here.
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- Oh, this is so cool.
Okay, so what's the tea?
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So you met this
Julia person first.
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- Yes. She messaged me,
and I talked to her,
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but it wasn't
anything romantic.
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I didn't think anything of it.
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And then Mike was like,
"Oh, I met this girl."
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And he shows me
a picture of her,
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and as soon as he shows me
a picture,
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I recognized her immediately.
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- The same girl.
- Yes.
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And I believe her
to be a catfish.
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Because she don't even
talk to him on the phone.
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And she no only follow me,
I called a couple of my friends
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that's in "Survivor"--
she's following both of them.
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All reality stars.
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- So she's a fangirl.
- That's what I'm thinking.
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I like Mike. He's a good guy.
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But he's dealing with a lot
right now in his life.
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And I hope it's real.
I just know it's not.
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But he thinks she's real.
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- Yeah.
- I mean.
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- If have you called Michael
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and said, "Hey, it's Russell.
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I reached out to 'Catfish.'
They want to help,"
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do you think that would be
a good way
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to kind of break the news
to him and get him involved?
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- He's so invested in her
right now, emotionally.
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So I think he would do it.
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- Tell him to get in the Zoom.
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'Cause we need to talk.
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- Hey, man. What's happening?
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- I got a little surprise
for you.
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You know how
we talked about Julia?
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I'm kind of on a Zoom call
with "Catfish" right now.
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- [laughs]
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- They wanna talk to you.
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- [laughs]
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- We're gonna go ahead
and put you in on a Zoom.
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We'll go from there.
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- Bye. Bye, man.
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- All right,
you put his number
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in the email, right?
- Yeah.
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♪ ♪
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- All right, sent.
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- If anybody's gonna break
Michael's heart...
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- [laughs]
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[computer chimes]
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- Hey. There he is.
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- Hey, Michael.
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- What's up, Mike?
- Oh, my goodness.
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- What's happening, brother?
- Michael, obviously,
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Russell reached out
'cause you're his friend,
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and he understands
that you're in a situation
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where you might need
some assistance.
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So listen, Michael,
before we jump in with you,
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I just want to give
Russell a chance to say goodbye
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so that we can kind of start
focusing on the Julia thing.
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- Yeah. I just wanted to say,
you know, I did this
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'cause I care about you.
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I just want you to find out
what's real
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so you can go forward with
your life with positive things
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instead of things we just don't
know anything about.
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- Right. And I appreciate that.
- All right.
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Russell, thank you.
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- Love you, brother.
- All right, man. Thank you.
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- Bye, Russell.
- Bye, bye.
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- Wow. So hopefully,
we prove him wrong.
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- Well--
- Well, look, to be fair,
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Russell doesn't necessarily
know definitively
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that Julia is not real.
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He just has a hunch.
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Before we get into all that,
though,
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I just want to find out
a little bit more at you.
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- Well, I'm 39 years old,
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and I've got three
beautiful children.
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I'm currently married.
But--I know, I know.
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But I'm going through
a divorce.
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She broke up with me
through a text message
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and said that I'm done.
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Yeah, 2020 started with--
in January,
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my mother passed away,
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which was my best friend.
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And then COVID hit.
And then the split up.
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And then now Julia. And so
Julia escaped that--yes.
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You know, like,
wanting to live again.
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- Right.
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- Where does Julia say
that she lives?
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- She says she lives
in South Carolina.
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Myrtle Beach. Because of
my mother passing away,
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I left the town
that we were living in
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and I'm going cross-country.
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you know, Myrtle Beach
is an option,
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which is crazy that I would
even think about that. But--
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- Wait, so you're trying
to move closer to be near her?
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You're, like, all-in. Wow.
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- So tell us how
the relationship started.
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- So, in July,
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basically two weeks after
my separation with my wife,
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I get a message
and add from Julia,
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asking me questions
about the show,
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because she's a huge fan.
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And here we are now.
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We've been talking about three
and a half months.
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We talked about our future,
things like that,
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how many kids
she wants to have.
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She wants four.
I've already raised three.
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I'm like,
"Well, let's start with one."
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- Aw--
What? Wait. Okay.
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So you guys started
talking about
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three and a half months ago,
and you guys have already
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talked about having kids,
moving in--
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- Because I do believe
she's real.
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- I mean, it's a lot.
- Wait. So, hold on a second.
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So, keep going. So, what else
do you know about her?
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- She's 28 years old.
We're Christians--both of us.
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She loves kids.
So we have that in common.
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She said that she wanted
to become a nun,
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and she then decided
she wanted to have kids,
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and she's kind of changed
her perspective in life.
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And so I kind of see
the story being legit,
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especially being
she's a virgin.
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And--yes.
And so, like,
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I've really handled this
relationship very differently
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than
I probably would with most.
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- Is it her religious beliefs?
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Seems like it's something
that's important to her.
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- Right. And I respect that.
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- Does she post about religion
a lot on her Facebook?
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- Oh, absolutely.
- And does she have
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any other social media,
other than the Facebook page?
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- All I know about
is the Facebook.
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- You're so sure
that she's real,
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but your buddy Russell
has some legitimate concerns,
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like, she won't even get
on the phone with you, right?
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- I've only been able to get
her on the phone call one time,
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and it was a very soft voice.
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And we have not had
another conversation.
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And then every time I've said,
"Hey, let's do video chat
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or something like that,"
there's an excuse.
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Just, "I'm at work"
or "I'm exhausted."
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- I want to see what
this girl looks like.
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- Yeah, do you know how to
share your screen?
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- Absolutely.
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- Oh, who's that?
248
00:10:15,516 --> 00:10:16,783
- That's Julia.
249
00:10:16,850 --> 00:10:21,455
- [gasps] You have her
as your wallpaper?
250
00:10:21,522 --> 00:10:24,391
- I do.
- Oh, my God.
251
00:10:24,458 --> 00:10:28,662
- All right, Julia Crews. Okay.
Wow, 52 mutual friends? Wow.
252
00:10:28,729 --> 00:10:31,064
- That's a lot.
- Yep. Reality stars.
253
00:10:31,131 --> 00:10:33,033
- But doesn't it concern you
254
00:10:33,100 --> 00:10:34,668
that she's friends
with so many
255
00:10:34,735 --> 00:10:36,670
other reality TV contestants?
256
00:10:36,737 --> 00:10:38,505
- I'm not worried about that,
257
00:10:38,572 --> 00:10:40,908
because I know
she's a huge fan.
258
00:10:40,974 --> 00:10:43,177
I don't know. I mean,
I could be blind, too.
259
00:10:43,243 --> 00:10:45,479
- Okay. Just scroll
through some pics.
260
00:10:45,546 --> 00:10:47,681
So, you got this.
Beautiful.
261
00:10:47,748 --> 00:10:51,084
- She seems like a sweetheart.
- She is.
262
00:10:51,151 --> 00:10:52,819
- Cute.
- She's very cute.
263
00:10:52,886 --> 00:10:53,887
- She's cute.
264
00:10:53,954 --> 00:10:55,789
God--Jesus first.
- Absolutely.
265
00:10:55,856 --> 00:10:57,457
- Cross on the shirt.
266
00:10:57,524 --> 00:10:59,459
- Well, this girl's cute,
if it's who you're talking to.
267
00:10:59,526 --> 00:11:00,861
- She's beautifully, y'all.
268
00:11:00,928 --> 00:11:03,363
I mean, she's gotta be real.
269
00:11:03,430 --> 00:11:05,732
- I mean, look, there's
a chance Julia is real
270
00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:07,134
and her name is Julia,
271
00:11:07,201 --> 00:11:09,469
but she's just not the girl
in the pictures.
272
00:11:09,536 --> 00:11:11,071
- Right.
- So, I guess,
273
00:11:11,071 --> 00:11:13,073
what are your deal-breakers
in this situation?
274
00:11:13,073 --> 00:11:14,842
If Julia's not the girl
275
00:11:14,908 --> 00:11:17,711
that you know in the pictures,
would that matter?
276
00:11:17,778 --> 00:11:19,646
- You know, I don't think
it would matter.
277
00:11:19,713 --> 00:11:23,083
- What if it was your ex-wife
just trying to mess with you?
278
00:11:23,150 --> 00:11:25,085
- I had that same thought, too.
The fact that you met Julia
279
00:11:25,118 --> 00:11:28,088
so shortly after you officially
separated from your wife.
280
00:11:28,155 --> 00:11:30,457
- Yeah. I think what would
hurt me the most
281
00:11:30,524 --> 00:11:32,626
is if it was my ex-wife.
282
00:11:32,693 --> 00:11:34,294
But I don't think it's her.
283
00:11:34,361 --> 00:11:37,364
I think this is Julia.
I really think she's real.
284
00:11:37,431 --> 00:11:38,665
- All right.
So let's get into it.
285
00:11:38,732 --> 00:11:40,567
Send us her phone number,
286
00:11:40,634 --> 00:11:42,536
her Facebook page,
things like that.
287
00:11:42,603 --> 00:11:43,704
- Okay. Sounds great.
288
00:11:43,770 --> 00:11:45,172
Good luck, y'all.
- All right.
289
00:11:45,239 --> 00:11:47,007
Nice meet you, Michael.
- Thanks, Michael.
290
00:11:49,109 --> 00:11:51,111
Michael seemed really genuine.
291
00:11:51,111 --> 00:11:54,848
But it's not who he thinks
it's going to be.
292
00:11:54,915 --> 00:11:58,118
- Right.
- The ex-wife is a suspect.
293
00:11:58,151 --> 00:12:00,420
But with all those reality
stars Julia's following,
294
00:12:00,487 --> 00:12:02,389
she could be
some sort of clout chaser.
295
00:12:02,456 --> 00:12:04,925
Either way,
I think our reality star
296
00:12:05,058 --> 00:12:07,094
is in for a sad dose
of reality.
297
00:12:09,946 --> 00:12:11,514
- Get some fresh air.
298
00:12:11,581 --> 00:12:14,917
And then we go back
to the investigation station.
299
00:12:16,886 --> 00:12:18,654
Hey. Morning.
300
00:12:18,721 --> 00:12:20,656
Let's go.
301
00:12:20,723 --> 00:12:21,958
- I'm ready.
302
00:12:22,024 --> 00:12:23,726
- All right.
We've got Michael.
303
00:12:23,793 --> 00:12:25,394
He's a reality TV star
who's smitten
304
00:12:25,461 --> 00:12:27,864
with a girl named Julia,
who he met online.
305
00:12:27,930 --> 00:12:30,700
His reality buddy, Russell,
contacted us,
306
00:12:30,766 --> 00:12:33,436
worried his friend Michael
is being catfished by a fan,
307
00:12:33,503 --> 00:12:36,239
because this very same
Julia profile
308
00:12:36,305 --> 00:12:38,407
also hit up Russell too.
309
00:12:38,474 --> 00:12:39,675
- Yeah. It's sus.
310
00:12:39,742 --> 00:12:40,910
- All right.
311
00:12:40,977 --> 00:12:42,778
Let's see if we've got
an email here.
312
00:12:42,845 --> 00:12:44,213
"Hey.
Thanks for talking with me.
313
00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,548
"Here's the info
I have about her.
314
00:12:45,615 --> 00:12:47,984
"Her name is Julia Crews,
and her number and photos
315
00:12:48,050 --> 00:12:50,453
"she sent me are attached,
and here is her Facebook page.
316
00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,489
"And if you want to log in
as me to see her full page,
317
00:12:53,556 --> 00:12:54,790
here's my login."
318
00:12:54,857 --> 00:12:57,660
Okay. "Here's to 2020
bringing more blessings.
319
00:12:57,727 --> 00:12:59,028
All the best. Michael."
320
00:12:59,095 --> 00:13:00,730
- Amen.
- All right.
321
00:13:00,796 --> 00:13:03,232
So what do you want to do?
What do you want to start with?
322
00:13:03,299 --> 00:13:04,834
- I guess we can
run the photos.
323
00:13:04,901 --> 00:13:06,435
- So let's just pull
some of these photos.
324
00:13:06,502 --> 00:13:09,739
Maybe we'll get lucky.
All right, let's go to images.
325
00:13:09,805 --> 00:13:11,741
Nope. No hit.
326
00:13:11,807 --> 00:13:14,577
Okay. No. Nothing.
327
00:13:14,644 --> 00:13:15,678
- Nothing.
328
00:13:15,745 --> 00:13:18,047
- Hmm.
329
00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,715
All right.
Let's run the phone number.
330
00:13:19,782 --> 00:13:21,517
♪ ♪
331
00:13:21,584 --> 00:13:23,152
I think this is a dead end.
332
00:13:23,219 --> 00:13:24,754
Let's go to her Facebook page.
333
00:13:24,821 --> 00:13:27,623
Let's see what we can find.
334
00:13:27,690 --> 00:13:31,661
- Brunswick Community College
Lady Dolphins basketball team.
335
00:13:31,727 --> 00:13:33,696
- What's this?
336
00:13:33,763 --> 00:13:35,765
This looks pretty legit.
337
00:13:35,832 --> 00:13:37,300
I mean,
if she played on this team,
338
00:13:37,366 --> 00:13:38,534
you'd think she'd show up
339
00:13:38,601 --> 00:13:40,436
in some of these posts,
maybe, right?
340
00:13:40,503 --> 00:13:42,505
- It would have been
a while ago, though.
341
00:13:42,572 --> 00:13:45,808
What if we Googled "Julia Crews
Brunswick Community College
342
00:13:45,875 --> 00:13:46,876
Lady Dolphins basketball"?
343
00:13:46,943 --> 00:13:49,345
♪ ♪
344
00:13:49,412 --> 00:13:53,749
- Julia Crew commits to BCC
Brunswick Community College.
345
00:13:53,816 --> 00:13:54,817
- Huh.
346
00:13:54,884 --> 00:13:56,752
♪ ♪
347
00:13:56,819 --> 00:13:58,754
- Wait a second.
- [gasps]
348
00:13:58,821 --> 00:14:01,824
Oh, my God.
349
00:14:01,891 --> 00:14:04,093
- That's her!
350
00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,195
--is the oldest,
at 18,
351
00:14:06,262 --> 00:14:08,264
with a 15-year-old sister,
Cristin.
352
00:14:08,331 --> 00:14:10,433
Parents have
never missed a game.
353
00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:13,102
let's just see
if there's any other images.
354
00:14:13,169 --> 00:14:14,871
Oh, wait. Here we go.
355
00:14:14,937 --> 00:14:17,273
2010-2011 Lady Dolphins.
356
00:14:17,340 --> 00:14:19,175
Here's a picture
of a girl in uniform.
357
00:14:20,810 --> 00:14:22,378
Ahh! That's her!
358
00:14:22,445 --> 00:14:24,714
- Oh, my God.
359
00:14:24,780 --> 00:14:26,616
The main picture?
- Are you kidding?
360
00:14:26,682 --> 00:14:28,451
The first photo?
361
00:14:28,518 --> 00:14:30,052
Julia Crews.
362
00:14:30,052 --> 00:14:32,054
- Number 14.
363
00:14:32,054 --> 00:14:34,790
- The biggest question
for me now is,
364
00:14:34,857 --> 00:14:36,259
is this the girl
he's talking to?
365
00:14:36,325 --> 00:14:38,060
- No. No.
366
00:14:38,127 --> 00:14:40,263
Too much is adding up,
so something's not adding up.
367
00:14:40,329 --> 00:14:43,466
- So you think someone made
a fake version of her,
368
00:14:43,533 --> 00:14:45,168
someone who knows her.
369
00:14:45,234 --> 00:14:48,070
- Yeah. He's just not talking
to the girl in the pictures.
370
00:14:48,137 --> 00:14:51,140
- I mean, look, if Julia Crews
is a 28-year old girl
371
00:14:51,207 --> 00:14:52,441
who went to that college, like,
372
00:14:52,508 --> 00:14:54,143
she should absolutely have
a Facebook page
373
00:14:54,210 --> 00:14:55,578
that we should be able to find.
374
00:14:55,645 --> 00:14:59,715
Let's see if there are
other Facebook profiles
375
00:14:59,782 --> 00:15:02,118
with the name Julia Crews.
376
00:15:02,185 --> 00:15:05,321
- Who's that one,
with the 154 followers?
377
00:15:05,388 --> 00:15:06,422
- This?
378
00:15:08,457 --> 00:15:11,294
- Ahh!
- Is that the same girl?
379
00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,329
- [gasps] Yes.
380
00:15:13,396 --> 00:15:15,765
- So this could be
her other profile,
381
00:15:15,832 --> 00:15:17,900
or this could be the profile
for the real Julia Crews.
382
00:15:18,034 --> 00:15:19,302
Hold on a second.
383
00:15:19,368 --> 00:15:21,037
Let's see if
there are any mutual friends
384
00:15:21,103 --> 00:15:24,040
between Michael and this
new profile for Julia.
385
00:15:24,106 --> 00:15:26,576
- Yeah. He has mutual friends
with this Julia.
386
00:15:26,642 --> 00:15:29,245
- The question is,
which is the real version?
387
00:15:29,312 --> 00:15:31,113
- Who are the mutual friends?
388
00:15:31,180 --> 00:15:33,749
- James and James.
389
00:15:33,816 --> 00:15:35,384
Interesting.
390
00:15:35,451 --> 00:15:36,686
- I'm Googling.
391
00:15:36,752 --> 00:15:41,157
James Zinkand is from
"Big Brother 9."
392
00:15:41,224 --> 00:15:43,526
And this James is also
from "Big Brother."
393
00:15:43,593 --> 00:15:48,097
- Oh, really.
- Message them. Message them.
394
00:15:48,164 --> 00:15:50,533
- All right, let's message
these guys.
395
00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,336
To James. Don't even have
to change the name.
396
00:15:53,402 --> 00:15:55,071
Love it.
397
00:15:55,104 --> 00:15:56,706
Oh, you know what
we didn't try?
398
00:15:56,772 --> 00:15:59,342
What if we look up her phone
number on a different site?
399
00:15:59,408 --> 00:16:01,644
Sometimes they get
different results.
400
00:16:01,711 --> 00:16:02,745
- Worth a try.
401
00:16:02,812 --> 00:16:06,149
♪ ♪
402
00:16:06,215 --> 00:16:07,617
- Look at this!
Her phone number.
403
00:16:07,683 --> 00:16:09,552
Julia Crews.
404
00:16:09,619 --> 00:16:11,254
What the hell's going on?
405
00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,623
- No. There has to be a catch.
406
00:16:13,689 --> 00:16:15,224
- But that's the number
he's been talking to.
407
00:16:15,291 --> 00:16:16,592
- No.
- It's her.
408
00:16:16,659 --> 00:16:17,927
- No.
- 28 years old.
409
00:16:18,027 --> 00:16:20,663
And a social media link.
410
00:16:20,730 --> 00:16:23,566
Oh, who's this? Chris Tin?
411
00:16:23,633 --> 00:16:25,434
- And look,
there's Julia's face.
412
00:16:25,501 --> 00:16:27,203
She has pictures
of Julia on here.
413
00:16:27,270 --> 00:16:29,038
She's in the picture.
414
00:16:29,071 --> 00:16:30,840
- Okay, so hold on a second.
415
00:16:30,907 --> 00:16:32,808
- I think that's
Julia's sister.
416
00:16:32,875 --> 00:16:34,744
- Oh, really?
- Yeah.
417
00:16:34,810 --> 00:16:36,746
Check that article,
because in the article,
418
00:16:36,813 --> 00:16:39,348
didn't they say,
like, Julia has a sister?
419
00:16:39,415 --> 00:16:41,517
That's her right there.
That's here in the plaid.
420
00:16:41,584 --> 00:16:45,521
- Oh, my God. Yes. What the
[bleep] is going on here?
421
00:16:45,588 --> 00:16:47,957
Why does her sister's
social media connect
422
00:16:48,057 --> 00:16:49,559
to Julia's phone number?
423
00:16:49,625 --> 00:16:51,494
- Well, we need
to message Christin.
424
00:16:51,561 --> 00:16:53,963
Wouldn't her sister know
if she's talking to Michael?
425
00:16:54,063 --> 00:16:56,666
- Yes.
426
00:16:56,732 --> 00:16:58,067
All right.
427
00:16:58,100 --> 00:16:59,168
[phone ringing]
- Oh, getting a phone call.
428
00:16:59,235 --> 00:17:00,770
Getting a phone call.
429
00:17:01,370 --> 00:17:03,472
- Yeah. Hi, there. This is Nev.
Who's this?
430
00:17:09,679 --> 00:17:12,215
- Great. Are you able to jump
in a Zoom call,
431
00:17:12,281 --> 00:17:14,083
if I just send you
a quick Zoom link?
432
00:17:15,017 --> 00:17:16,018
- All right.
433
00:17:16,052 --> 00:17:17,353
[tense music]
434
00:17:17,420 --> 00:17:20,923
[computer chimes]
- Hey. How's it going?
435
00:17:21,023 --> 00:17:23,125
- It's going right now.
It's going.
436
00:17:23,192 --> 00:17:25,194
- So listen. So, the reason
that we reached out
437
00:17:25,261 --> 00:17:26,863
is because we're trying to help
this guy
438
00:17:26,929 --> 00:17:28,931
who has also been on
"Big Brother,"
439
00:17:29,031 --> 00:17:33,169
who is talking to this
girl online named Julia Crews.
440
00:17:33,236 --> 00:17:36,138
- Yes. I am friends
with Julia Crews.
441
00:17:36,205 --> 00:17:37,607
I've been talking
to this girl forever.
442
00:17:37,673 --> 00:17:39,041
- On the phone?
443
00:17:39,108 --> 00:17:40,710
- No. Not on the phone.
444
00:17:40,776 --> 00:17:42,812
That's what's crazy.
we've never FaceTimed.
445
00:17:42,879 --> 00:17:44,046
We've never talked
on the phone.
446
00:17:44,113 --> 00:17:46,149
- Right.
- You know.
447
00:17:46,215 --> 00:17:47,783
But she sent me some photos.
448
00:17:47,850 --> 00:17:49,585
- Were you guys just friends,
or was there, like,
449
00:17:49,652 --> 00:17:51,687
a flirtation
relationship there?
450
00:17:51,754 --> 00:17:53,623
- There was
a flirtatious relationship.
451
00:17:55,158 --> 00:17:57,126
- Has she sent you
any other pictures?
452
00:17:57,193 --> 00:18:00,296
- [laughs] You mean, like,
explicit photos?
453
00:18:00,363 --> 00:18:01,697
- You know what I mean.
454
00:18:01,764 --> 00:18:03,566
- [laughs] Yeah, she has.
455
00:18:03,633 --> 00:18:07,069
She's sent me explicit photos.
She sent me some photos
456
00:18:07,103 --> 00:18:09,539
that are from,
you know, the neck down.
457
00:18:09,605 --> 00:18:11,507
- Wow.
- And when was the last time
458
00:18:11,574 --> 00:18:13,709
you talked to her
that you can remember?
459
00:18:13,776 --> 00:18:16,879
- Like, a couple weeks ago.
- A couple weeks ago?
460
00:18:17,013 --> 00:18:20,216
- Yeah. She says she misses me.
"How have you been?"
461
00:18:20,283 --> 00:18:22,185
- [sighs] Okay. Well.
462
00:18:22,251 --> 00:18:23,386
- That's all very helpful.
463
00:18:23,452 --> 00:18:26,022
So thank you for-for
talking to us.
464
00:18:26,055 --> 00:18:28,191
- I hope y'all figure
out this dilemma.
465
00:18:28,257 --> 00:18:30,092
'cause I'm dying to know too,
so--
466
00:18:30,159 --> 00:18:32,528
- Thanks, James.
467
00:18:32,595 --> 00:18:34,697
- Whoa. Time out.
468
00:18:34,764 --> 00:18:36,899
I feel like the real takeaway
for me from that phone call
469
00:18:37,033 --> 00:18:39,202
is that she's been
actively talking to this guy,
470
00:18:39,268 --> 00:18:40,670
flirting with him also.
471
00:18:40,736 --> 00:18:42,038
- We can't tell Michael
472
00:18:42,104 --> 00:18:45,274
that she's been talking
to James in a sexual way.
473
00:18:45,341 --> 00:18:46,776
He will die of a broken heart.
474
00:18:46,843 --> 00:18:48,444
[phone ringing]
- Oh, boy.
475
00:18:51,581 --> 00:18:52,748
- [gasps]
476
00:18:52,815 --> 00:18:54,050
Hello.
477
00:18:55,318 --> 00:18:57,887
- Hi. Christin?
478
00:18:57,954 --> 00:18:59,755
- Hey, it's Nev.
479
00:18:59,822 --> 00:19:02,358
First of all, thank you
for getting in touch with me.
480
00:19:02,425 --> 00:19:08,231
Your sister is Julia, right?
481
00:19:08,297 --> 00:19:11,434
- Right. Okay, your sister
Julia is friends
482
00:19:11,501 --> 00:19:14,237
with a number of different
reality television
483
00:19:14,303 --> 00:19:16,739
competition show contestants.
484
00:19:16,806 --> 00:19:18,040
As of the last few months,
485
00:19:18,107 --> 00:19:20,109
taking to this one guy,
Michael.
486
00:19:20,176 --> 00:19:22,378
What can you just tell us
about your sister?
487
00:19:25,047 --> 00:19:26,649
- Oh. Great.
488
00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:34,724
- We're really just trying
to figure out
489
00:19:34,790 --> 00:19:36,125
what's going on here.
490
00:19:40,763 --> 00:19:42,431
- All right. Great.
So, call me back,
491
00:19:42,498 --> 00:19:46,869
and hopefully
we'll speak to you shortly.
492
00:19:46,936 --> 00:19:48,871
- All right. Thanks.
493
00:19:48,938 --> 00:19:50,106
- Bye.
494
00:19:50,173 --> 00:19:52,141
- Are you gonna say it,
or should I?
495
00:19:52,208 --> 00:19:53,743
It's her!
496
00:19:53,809 --> 00:19:57,580
- I mean, I would agree,
it does seem strange.
497
00:19:57,647 --> 00:20:02,185
- She has that same soft voice
that Michael said Julia has.
498
00:20:02,251 --> 00:20:05,454
"No. I don't watch reality TV."
499
00:20:05,521 --> 00:20:07,957
Julia's phone number
also directly connects
500
00:20:08,057 --> 00:20:09,759
to this Chris Tin page.
501
00:20:09,826 --> 00:20:11,627
Christin is Julia.
502
00:20:11,694 --> 00:20:15,064
But why would she catfish
as her sister?
503
00:20:15,131 --> 00:20:16,699
- That's what I don't
understand.
504
00:20:16,766 --> 00:20:20,536
- Somebody is lying
around here.
505
00:20:20,603 --> 00:20:23,139
- This just went from an
episode of "Big Brother"
506
00:20:23,206 --> 00:20:24,574
to "Oh, brother."
507
00:20:26,348 --> 00:20:32,121
♪ ♪
508
00:20:32,187 --> 00:20:33,989
- Wassup?
I gotta tell you.
509
00:20:34,056 --> 00:20:38,160
I have been thinking about
this episode since yesterday.
510
00:20:38,227 --> 00:20:40,863
I cannot come up with an answer
that makes sense.
511
00:20:40,929 --> 00:20:43,932
- The first instinct that I had
when I woke up this morning
512
00:20:43,999 --> 00:20:46,769
was it's still Christin,
the sister.
513
00:20:46,835 --> 00:20:48,704
- I mean, look, she obviously
could have easily lied to us
514
00:20:48,771 --> 00:20:51,707
that she's not a fan
and doesn't watch television.
515
00:20:51,774 --> 00:20:53,375
So let's just for a moment
assume that the sister
516
00:20:53,442 --> 00:20:54,977
is a big fan of reality TV
517
00:20:55,044 --> 00:20:56,812
and does want to talk with
and flirt
518
00:20:56,879 --> 00:21:02,317
with all of these older guys
from former competition shows.
519
00:21:02,384 --> 00:21:04,253
Why wouldn't she do it
as herself?
520
00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:06,188
Why would someone do that?
521
00:21:06,255 --> 00:21:08,290
- I'm just really concerned
about Michael,
522
00:21:08,357 --> 00:21:12,194
because whoever this
is has been talking to
523
00:21:12,261 --> 00:21:16,532
and flirting with
and sending nudes to James.
524
00:21:16,598 --> 00:21:18,634
And that's gonna
break his heart.
525
00:21:18,701 --> 00:21:20,436
- I don't know what else
we can do right now.
526
00:21:20,502 --> 00:21:23,272
We haven't heard back
from the sister.
527
00:21:23,338 --> 00:21:24,673
I think we gotta just call
Michael,
528
00:21:24,740 --> 00:21:27,076
walk him through all this,
see what he thinks.
529
00:21:28,010 --> 00:21:31,480
- I just--it's gonna break
Michael's little heart.
530
00:21:31,580 --> 00:21:33,849
- Oh, wait a second.
He says he'll come now.
531
00:21:33,916 --> 00:21:35,184
[computer chimes]
532
00:21:35,250 --> 00:21:37,386
- Hey, Michael.
- Hey.
533
00:21:37,453 --> 00:21:40,289
- Hey, y'all.
So I'm hoping you're telling me
534
00:21:40,356 --> 00:21:43,292
that you found
my beautiful angel from Heaven,
535
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,428
and today's gonna be the day
that I get to see her.
536
00:21:46,495 --> 00:21:48,097
- We were hoping to tell you
that too, man.
537
00:21:48,163 --> 00:21:53,102
We're honestly not quite sure
what to tell you right now.
538
00:21:53,168 --> 00:21:55,771
- Okay. [laughs]
539
00:21:55,838 --> 00:21:59,141
- So, I'm going to share
my screen with you.
540
00:21:59,208 --> 00:22:00,409
- Okay.
- All right.
541
00:22:00,476 --> 00:22:01,810
So this is
Julia's Facebook page.
542
00:22:01,877 --> 00:22:04,380
If we go to photos,
there's a reference here
543
00:22:04,446 --> 00:22:06,248
to the Brunswick
Community College
544
00:22:06,315 --> 00:22:07,850
Lady Dolphins basketball team.
545
00:22:07,916 --> 00:22:10,853
And we found an album
from the 2010-2011
546
00:22:10,919 --> 00:22:14,390
Lady Dolphins, and look who
pops up on the first picture.
547
00:22:14,456 --> 00:22:16,925
Julia!
- That's promising.
548
00:22:16,992 --> 00:22:18,494
- Julia Crews.
- Yeah.
549
00:22:18,627 --> 00:22:20,329
- So this not only confirms
that the girl in the pictures
550
00:22:20,396 --> 00:22:22,231
is Julia Crews,
it also confirms
551
00:22:22,297 --> 00:22:23,932
that her age is her age.
552
00:22:23,999 --> 00:22:26,769
- Beautiful.
- And we found another picture
553
00:22:26,835 --> 00:22:28,804
on a different website
with an article
554
00:22:28,871 --> 00:22:30,873
about how she's agreed
to go to that school,
555
00:22:30,939 --> 00:22:33,876
with a basketball scholarship,
and even more incredibly,
556
00:22:33,942 --> 00:22:35,844
mentions her whole
family--her sister,
557
00:22:35,911 --> 00:22:36,879
her mom, her dad.
558
00:22:36,945 --> 00:22:38,447
And they're in this photo.
559
00:22:38,580 --> 00:22:41,650
So in an unbelievably
rare twist of fate,
560
00:22:41,717 --> 00:22:44,953
we've now confirmed
that Julia Crews
561
00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:46,588
is not only a real person,
562
00:22:46,622 --> 00:22:48,223
but she's the girl
in the pictures.
563
00:22:50,893 --> 00:22:51,860
- [sniffling]
564
00:22:51,927 --> 00:22:53,696
- Oh, are you okay, Michael?
565
00:22:53,762 --> 00:22:55,197
- I will be. [laughs]
566
00:22:55,264 --> 00:22:57,433
- It's pretty good information.
567
00:22:57,499 --> 00:22:59,234
- It is.
- So I can understand why
568
00:22:59,301 --> 00:23:00,769
it's overwhelming to hear.
569
00:23:00,836 --> 00:23:04,006
But there is more to show you.
So hang in there.
570
00:23:04,073 --> 00:23:05,607
- Right.
So, after this article,
571
00:23:05,641 --> 00:23:07,676
obviously,
we were feeling surprised.
572
00:23:07,743 --> 00:23:12,047
And that only continued when
we looked up her phone number,
573
00:23:12,114 --> 00:23:15,451
and her phone number came back
registered to Julia Crews.
574
00:23:15,517 --> 00:23:17,453
- But is there a "but?"
[laughs]
575
00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:19,688
- Well, something
that's a little strange
576
00:23:19,755 --> 00:23:21,623
is the fact
that this phone number
577
00:23:21,623 --> 00:23:24,293
also directly connects to this
social media account.
578
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:25,828
- That's her sister.
- Right.
579
00:23:25,894 --> 00:23:27,563
- That's right.
But it is interesting
580
00:23:27,596 --> 00:23:30,165
that Christin's Facebook
is linked to that number.
581
00:23:30,232 --> 00:23:32,067
- Does Julia ever talk
about her sister?
582
00:23:32,134 --> 00:23:34,036
- Oh, absolutely.
They live together.
583
00:23:34,103 --> 00:23:38,173
She'll say, "My sister and I
are watching 'The Challenge,'"
584
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,008
or "We're watching
'Big Brother.'"
585
00:23:40,075 --> 00:23:42,711
That happens all the time.
- Wait. Interesting.
586
00:23:42,778 --> 00:23:45,013
'Cause Kamie, you remember
what she told us yesterday?
587
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,348
- Right.
- Uh-oh.
588
00:23:46,415 --> 00:23:49,918
- We messaged Christin.
- Oh.
589
00:23:49,985 --> 00:23:53,689
- And Christin told us
that her and her sister
590
00:23:53,756 --> 00:23:55,224
are not really into reality TV,
591
00:23:55,290 --> 00:23:58,260
which goes very much against
what Julia has told you,
592
00:23:58,327 --> 00:23:59,762
which is interesting.
593
00:23:59,828 --> 00:24:01,430
And you had said you felt
like you remembered
594
00:24:01,497 --> 00:24:03,732
her voice being sort of soft.
595
00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:06,135
- Yeah.
- The sister also has
596
00:24:06,201 --> 00:24:09,338
a very soft speaking voice.
597
00:24:09,405 --> 00:24:10,839
- So that goes us thinking
598
00:24:10,906 --> 00:24:13,976
that maybe her sister
has been impersonating her.
599
00:24:14,043 --> 00:24:17,646
- Oh. Interesting.
600
00:24:17,713 --> 00:24:21,617
- We also saw that you had
some mutual friends.
601
00:24:21,617 --> 00:24:24,620
- Both named James. Both who
apparently have been on,
602
00:24:24,620 --> 00:24:25,954
you know, "Big Brother."
603
00:24:26,021 --> 00:24:27,956
- What we're seeing here,
obviously, is a trend now.
604
00:24:28,023 --> 00:24:33,562
You, Russell, James, all former
players on reality shows
605
00:24:33,595 --> 00:24:36,331
that have all been approached
at some point by Julia.
606
00:24:36,398 --> 00:24:38,600
It certainly brings up
a concern of, well,
607
00:24:38,667 --> 00:24:40,402
is this person just obsessed
608
00:24:40,469 --> 00:24:44,339
with talking to
former reality show people?
609
00:24:44,406 --> 00:24:47,276
So we messaged both of them.
610
00:24:47,342 --> 00:24:49,244
- Oh!
- And the first person
611
00:24:49,311 --> 00:24:52,181
that got
back to us was James Huling.
612
00:24:52,247 --> 00:24:54,483
- And we asked him about Julia.
613
00:24:54,583 --> 00:24:58,587
He said that he has spoken
to Julia many times.
614
00:24:58,620 --> 00:25:00,155
- Huh.
- They did develop
615
00:25:00,222 --> 00:25:01,990
a flirtation.
616
00:25:02,057 --> 00:25:05,928
And I think you should know
that James even went so far
617
00:25:05,994 --> 00:25:10,466
as to say that, at times,
she sent explicit photographs,
618
00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:14,303
and has been in communication
619
00:25:14,370 --> 00:25:17,740
with her periodically
in this way
620
00:25:17,806 --> 00:25:21,176
up until as recently as, like,
a couple weeks ago.
621
00:25:21,243 --> 00:25:22,511
- Holy crap.
622
00:25:22,611 --> 00:25:26,281
- ♪ Cold nights ♪
623
00:25:26,348 --> 00:25:28,350
♪ Walking on the street ♪
624
00:25:28,417 --> 00:25:30,819
It hurts. I mean--
625
00:25:30,886 --> 00:25:32,554
Oh, it hurt--
I mean, it does.
626
00:25:32,621 --> 00:25:37,760
It's--I mean, I'm human.
You know?
627
00:25:37,826 --> 00:25:42,564
I feel like now we're square
one, all over again.
628
00:25:42,631 --> 00:25:44,633
I'd rather someone
be honest with me.
629
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:49,338
- ♪ When I had you
by my side ♪
630
00:25:49,405 --> 00:25:52,374
♪ I fell in love with you ♪
631
00:25:52,441 --> 00:25:54,676
That's why I don't
really date fans,
632
00:25:54,743 --> 00:25:57,479
because they can be crazy.
633
00:25:57,579 --> 00:25:59,815
- Whether it's the sister
or really Julia,
634
00:25:59,882 --> 00:26:01,417
it still breaks my heart
to think
635
00:26:01,483 --> 00:26:03,385
that you feel like
you found a real,
636
00:26:03,452 --> 00:26:04,920
genuine connection
with someone,
637
00:26:04,987 --> 00:26:08,590
and they're having
those kinds of connections
638
00:26:08,590 --> 00:26:10,225
with other people.
- And that sucks.
639
00:26:10,292 --> 00:26:14,797
- ♪ These pictures of you ♪
640
00:26:14,863 --> 00:26:16,198
Wow.
641
00:26:16,265 --> 00:26:20,602
I feel like bricks
has literally fell on my head.
642
00:26:20,636 --> 00:26:23,639
- ♪ These pictures of you ♪
643
00:26:23,706 --> 00:26:25,340
Can I have a breather?
- Yeah.
644
00:26:25,407 --> 00:26:27,076
You want to take a minute?
Absolutely.
645
00:26:27,142 --> 00:26:28,877
- All right. Give me a second.
646
00:26:28,944 --> 00:26:35,084
♪ ♪
647
00:26:35,150 --> 00:26:36,885
- I feel so bad.
648
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:41,601
{\an7}[somber music]
649
00:26:41,601 --> 00:26:47,393
{\an7}♪ ♪
650
00:26:47,393 --> 00:26:49,733
{\an7}- You’re back.
651
00:26:49,733 --> 00:26:52,261
{\an7}- I’m blown away right now.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah .
652
00:26:52,261 --> 00:26:53,931
{\an7}- Well, at this point,
it could be Christin.
653
00:26:53,931 --> 00:26:56,261
{\an7}\h\h\h\hBut we just
don’t know for sure.
654
00:26:56,261 --> 00:26:59,327
{\an7}\hWhat we do know, though,
is that whoever Julia is,
655
00:26:59,327 --> 00:27:00,931
{\an7}she’s having conversations
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hon the side
656
00:27:00,931 --> 00:27:04,667
{\an7}with at least this one
\hother person, James.
657
00:27:04,667 --> 00:27:06,799
{\an7}- So what can we do?
658
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:07,634
{\an7}- So, do you reach out
659
00:27:07,634 --> 00:27:10,568
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hto Christin again
and say "What’s going on?"
660
00:27:10,568 --> 00:27:13,898
{\an7}\h\h\h- Well, the only thing I
haven’t tried is to text Julia.
661
00:27:13,898 --> 00:27:15,766
{\an7}- I mean, I think that that’s
662
00:27:15,766 --> 00:27:18,261
{\an7}probably the only option
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwe have.
663
00:27:18,261 --> 00:27:19,997
{\an7}- All right. Let me try.
\h\hSending a text, then.
664
00:27:19,997 --> 00:27:21,898
{\an7}"Hey Julia. This is Nev
from the show ’Catfish.’
665
00:27:21,898 --> 00:27:23,327
{\an7}"We’re trying to get
\hin touch with you
666
00:27:23,327 --> 00:27:25,327
{\an7}"so that we can clear up
\h\h\h\ha couple things
667
00:27:25,327 --> 00:27:26,766
{\an7}"and explain what’s going on.
668
00:27:26,766 --> 00:27:27,634
{\an7}"We could use your help,
669
00:27:27,634 --> 00:27:28,898
{\an7}and it would be nice
\hto speak with you."
670
00:27:28,898 --> 00:27:31,997
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- Yeah.
- All right. Send.
671
00:27:31,997 --> 00:27:33,469
{\an7}Delivered.
672
00:27:33,469 --> 00:27:35,535
{\an7}So now we wait.
673
00:27:35,535 --> 00:27:38,601
{\an7}Do you want to maybe try
messaging her to see if--
674
00:27:38,601 --> 00:27:39,469
{\an7}- Yeah. Absolutely.
675
00:27:39,469 --> 00:27:41,667
{\an7}\h\h\h\h- I think you need
to put the pressure on her.
676
00:27:41,667 --> 00:27:44,700
{\an7}- Okay. So I’m gonna-
\h\h\h\h\h\h"Listen,
677
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:46,733
{\an7}’Catfish’ and I need to talk.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hPlease."
678
00:27:46,733 --> 00:27:49,535
{\an7}\h- Yeah. Send it. Hopefully
it’ll push Julia to respond.
679
00:27:49,535 --> 00:27:52,063
{\an7}The weird thing is we’ve got
\h\h\hto remember, you know,
680
00:27:52,063 --> 00:27:53,426
{\an7}we keep calling her Julia,
681
00:27:53,426 --> 00:27:54,766
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\hbecause obviously
that’s what you know her as,
682
00:27:54,766 --> 00:27:57,535
{\an7}but there is a chance
that the real Julia,
683
00:27:57,535 --> 00:27:58,667
{\an7}who we know exists,
684
00:27:58,667 --> 00:28:01,360
{\an7}and whoever you’re talking to,
\h\h\hare not the same person.
685
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:02,865
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Right.
- And it could either be
686
00:28:02,865 --> 00:28:05,667
{\an7}that it’s her sister or just
\hsomeone entirely different.
687
00:28:05,667 --> 00:28:06,766
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hSo--
[phone chimes]
688
00:28:06,766 --> 00:28:09,360
{\an7}\hOh.
- Oh!
689
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,063
{\an7}- Oh. Okay.
690
00:28:11,063 --> 00:28:12,799
{\an7}So, Julia just wrote back.
691
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,667
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\hShe said,
"Okay. How can I help?"
692
00:28:15,667 --> 00:28:18,426
{\an7}I think I’m just gonna kind of
be direct and honest about it.
693
00:28:18,426 --> 00:28:19,964
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- Absolutely.
- "So we had called you
694
00:28:19,964 --> 00:28:21,997
{\an7}"to discuss your friendship
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hwith Michael.
695
00:28:21,997 --> 00:28:22,799
{\an7}"His friend contacted us
696
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,327
{\an7}\h"because he was concerned
might be getting catfished.
697
00:28:25,327 --> 00:28:26,865
{\an7}\h\h\h"We would love
to prove him wrong.
698
00:28:26,865 --> 00:28:28,393
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h"So ideally,
if you could Zoom with us
699
00:28:28,393 --> 00:28:30,568
{\an7}"and confirm your identity,
that would be super helpful
700
00:28:30,568 --> 00:28:32,063
{\an7}and put us all at ease."
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Right.
701
00:28:32,063 --> 00:28:33,799
{\an7}- All right. Sending.
702
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,327
{\an7}\h\h\hI think the response
we get to this is gonna be
703
00:28:36,327 --> 00:28:40,129
{\an7}either incredibly helpful
\h\hor vague and evasive.
704
00:28:40,129 --> 00:28:42,700
{\an7}[phone chimes]
\h\h\h\h\h- Oh.
705
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:44,733
{\an7}- Where’s that Zoom link?
706
00:28:44,733 --> 00:28:46,393
{\an7}- [gasps]
707
00:28:46,393 --> 00:28:47,799
{\an7}- Okay, so she wants
\h\h\hto talk to us.
708
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:50,997
{\an7}I’m just gonna send this,
\h\hand see what happens.
709
00:28:50,997 --> 00:28:52,799
{\an7}♪ ♪
710
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,865
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hLet’s find out
who this girl really us.
711
00:28:54,865 --> 00:28:57,162
{\an7}\h\h\h- Is it just Julia?
Is it gonna be Christin?
712
00:28:57,162 --> 00:28:59,568
{\an7}- Feel like I’m gonna
have a heart attack.
713
00:28:59,568 --> 00:29:00,294
{\an7}[intense music]
714
00:29:00,294 --> 00:29:03,096
{\an7}[computer chimes]
\h\h\h\h\h\h- Oh.
715
00:29:03,096 --> 00:29:05,535
{\an7}Hi. Hello?
716
00:29:07,733 --> 00:29:10,832
{\an7}- Hi.
- Hey.
717
00:29:10,832 --> 00:29:11,931
{\an7}- Hi.
718
00:29:11,931 --> 00:29:15,426
{\an7}- Do you have something
\hcovering your camera?
719
00:29:15,426 --> 00:29:16,931
{\an7}- Yeah.
720
00:29:19,129 --> 00:29:24,898
{\an7}\h\h- Okay. Well, is there any
chance we could see your face?
721
00:29:24,898 --> 00:29:28,129
{\an7}- I’m just super nervous.
722
00:29:28,129 --> 00:29:29,162
{\an7}- I know this is hard for you,
723
00:29:29,162 --> 00:29:32,568
{\an7}but you and Michael have been
\h\htalking now for a while.
724
00:29:32,568 --> 00:29:38,832
{\an7}Here he is. And would love
to get to know you better,
725
00:29:38,832 --> 00:29:39,865
{\an7}ideally meeting up in person,
726
00:29:39,865 --> 00:29:42,667
{\an7}but in the absence of that,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hat least...
727
00:29:42,667 --> 00:29:44,799
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Facial.
- Speaking face-to-face,
728
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,733
{\an7}if you will.
729
00:29:46,733 --> 00:29:47,997
{\an7}- I’ve been talking to Michael.
730
00:29:47,997 --> 00:29:55,030
{\an7}\h\h\hI’m just super nervous
about what he’ll think of me.
731
00:29:55,030 --> 00:29:56,030
{\an7}- Okay.
732
00:29:56,030 --> 00:29:58,700
{\an7}- I mean, my biggest thing
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\his I’d just
733
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:01,162
{\an7}like to see who you are
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hfor you.
734
00:30:01,162 --> 00:30:04,096
{\an7}\h\hI’m not a very
judgmental person.
735
00:30:04,096 --> 00:30:06,832
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\hHowever,
I do have some concerns
736
00:30:06,832 --> 00:30:07,733
{\an7}why you don’t want to show
737
00:30:07,733 --> 00:30:11,601
{\an7}\h\h\h\hthat beautiful face
that I’ve been looking at.
738
00:30:12,997 --> 00:30:15,997
{\an7}- I don’t think that you’re
\h\h\h\h\hvery judgmental.
739
00:30:15,997 --> 00:30:17,601
{\an7}I think you’re really sweet.
740
00:30:17,601 --> 00:30:20,733
{\an7}\hAnd I’m hoping that,
after what I tell you,
741
00:30:20,733 --> 00:30:23,535
{\an7}that you’ll still be
\h\haccepting of me.
742
00:30:23,535 --> 00:30:26,129
{\an7}- I look at somebody
\h\hfrom the inside,
743
00:30:26,129 --> 00:30:27,964
{\an7}not the outside.
744
00:30:27,964 --> 00:30:29,766
{\an7}- I’m just really nervous.
745
00:30:29,766 --> 00:30:30,568
{\an7}- What will it take?
746
00:30:30,568 --> 00:30:32,931
{\an7}What do we have to do right now
\h\h\hto kind of re-assure you
747
00:30:32,931 --> 00:30:36,733
{\an7}that it’s okay to show Michael
\h\h\h\h\h\hwho you really are?
748
00:30:36,733 --> 00:30:39,261
{\an7}♪ ♪
749
00:30:39,261 --> 00:30:43,129
{\an7}- All I’m asked right now
\h\h\his just the truth.
750
00:30:43,865 --> 00:30:44,733
{\an7}- Um--
751
00:30:44,733 --> 00:30:48,700
{\an7}♪ ♪
752
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:50,601
{\an7}I mean, I think I’m ready.
753
00:30:50,601 --> 00:30:51,634
{\an7}- Okay.
754
00:30:51,634 --> 00:30:57,700
{\an7}♪ ♪
755
00:30:59,976 --> 00:31:02,778
{\an7}[tense music]
756
00:31:02,778 --> 00:31:05,471
{\an7}♪ ♪
757
00:31:05,471 --> 00:31:07,042
{\an7}- Hey.
- Hey.
758
00:31:07,042 --> 00:31:10,504
{\an7}- You’re who you are.
\h\h\h\h- I told you.
759
00:31:10,504 --> 00:31:13,438
{\an7}- Girl. What is going on?
760
00:31:13,438 --> 00:31:18,943
{\an7}- Um--I just had some things
\h\hhappen to me in the past.
761
00:31:19,141 --> 00:31:21,646
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hThere’s things that
I haven’t really told you yet.
762
00:31:21,646 --> 00:31:26,745
{\an7}That’s why I’ve been hesitant,
talking on the phone or video.
763
00:31:26,745 --> 00:31:29,943
{\an7}It took me a really long time
\h\h\h\h\h\hto open up about.
764
00:31:29,943 --> 00:31:33,042
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hAnd I know that
we’ve-we’ve talked a lot
765
00:31:33,042 --> 00:31:37,042
{\an7}about our relationship with God
\h\h\h\h\h\hand with religion.
766
00:31:37,042 --> 00:31:43,504
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hAnd I just--you know,
I didn’t want you to judge me.
767
00:31:44,075 --> 00:31:47,646
{\an7}The past few years, I--
768
00:31:48,646 --> 00:31:53,712
{\an7}I started dating women
\h\h\h\h\h\h\has well.
769
00:31:53,712 --> 00:31:55,603
{\an7}\h\h\h\hI just wanted you
to be able to accept me,
770
00:31:55,603 --> 00:32:01,240
{\an7}\h\h\h\hand I was just scared
to be vulnerable and open up.
771
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,679
{\an7}♪ ♪
772
00:32:02,679 --> 00:32:04,844
{\an7}Much and I haven’t even
\h\h\h\hreally met yet.
773
00:32:04,844 --> 00:32:08,009
{\an7}And I just--I don’t want
\h\h\hto disappoint him.
774
00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:13,976
{\an7}And I guess that’s a big reason
\h\h\h\hwhy I was so hesitant.
775
00:32:14,910 --> 00:32:15,877
{\an7}- Sorry. Just to be clear,
776
00:32:15,877 --> 00:32:20,570
{\an7}\h\hare you currently seeing
someone other than Michael?
777
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:24,910
{\an7}- No. I haven’t dated anyone
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hfor a while.
778
00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:28,504
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- Well, Michael,
how do you feel about that?
779
00:32:29,174 --> 00:32:32,976
{\an7}- I would have respected that
\h\h\h\h\hfrom the beginning.
780
00:32:32,976 --> 00:32:35,943
{\an7}I have dated girls
that was bisexual.
781
00:32:35,943 --> 00:32:41,009
{\an7}\h\h\h\hIf she was saying,
"Okay, I’m just with you,"
782
00:32:41,009 --> 00:32:43,207
{\an7}I wouldn’t have judged that.
783
00:32:43,207 --> 00:32:45,712
{\an7}But I also know you’ve got
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto be loyal
784
00:32:45,712 --> 00:32:48,174
{\an7}and you’ve got to see faithful
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto each other.
785
00:32:48,174 --> 00:32:50,910
{\an7}And my question is,
786
00:32:50,910 --> 00:32:55,712
{\an7}have you had conversations
\hwith other reality stars
787
00:32:55,712 --> 00:32:59,943
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\hand it went,
like, to a different level?
788
00:32:59,943 --> 00:33:03,075
{\an7}- Well, I’ve had a, like,
\h\h\h\hfew conversations
789
00:33:03,075 --> 00:33:05,042
{\an7}with different reality stars.
790
00:33:05,042 --> 00:33:07,646
{\an7}Like, James from "Big Brother."
791
00:33:07,646 --> 00:33:09,646
{\an7}But it never really went
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hanywhere.
792
00:33:09,646 --> 00:33:15,207
{\an7}- Julia, we spoke to James,
\hand he basically told us
793
00:33:15,207 --> 00:33:16,570
{\an7}that you guys had had
794
00:33:16,570 --> 00:33:20,009
{\an7}\h\h\ha relationship
of sorts over years,
795
00:33:20,009 --> 00:33:23,844
{\an7}and that you were speaking up
until a couple of weeks ago,
796
00:33:23,844 --> 00:33:27,174
{\an7}and that you sent him,
like, explicit photos.
797
00:33:27,174 --> 00:33:28,976
{\an7}So I think that’s something
798
00:33:28,976 --> 00:33:32,570
{\an7}that Michael might want
some clarification on.
799
00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:34,943
{\an7}- James and I--like,
in the past, I mean,
800
00:33:34,943 --> 00:33:39,075
{\an7}we did share sexy photos
\h\h\h\h\h\hor whatever.
801
00:33:39,075 --> 00:33:39,877
{\an7}A few years ago.
802
00:33:39,877 --> 00:33:42,976
{\an7}\hBut, like, whenever we
talk now, it’s just like,
803
00:33:42,976 --> 00:33:44,273
{\an7}"Hey. How are you doing?"
804
00:33:44,273 --> 00:33:46,207
{\an7}It wasn’t a serious thing.
805
00:33:46,207 --> 00:33:48,844
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hLike, with James,
or, like, with anyone else,
806
00:33:48,844 --> 00:33:51,679
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\hit’s just, like,
casual flirtations, I guess.
807
00:33:51,679 --> 00:33:54,141
{\an7}- I think the concern
\h\h\h\hfrom us was,
808
00:33:54,141 --> 00:34:00,844
{\an7}are you just some reality
\h\h\hcompetition groupie
809
00:34:00,844 --> 00:34:02,075
{\an7}who gets sort of a kick out
810
00:34:02,075 --> 00:34:05,679
{\an7}of potentially messing
\h\h\hwith these guys?
811
00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:07,339
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- No.
- Then what draws you,
812
00:34:07,339 --> 00:34:11,646
{\an7}do you think, to these guys
\hfrom these reality shows?
813
00:34:11,646 --> 00:34:16,679
{\an7}\h\h\h- Okay, so I added, like,
a bunch of people on reality TV
814
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,679
{\an7}\h\h\h\hjust because
I love "Big Brother."
815
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:20,976
{\an7}\h\h\hAnd, like, Michael and I,
when we first started talking,
816
00:34:20,976 --> 00:34:21,976
{\an7}it was about "Big Brother."
817
00:34:21,976 --> 00:34:24,679
{\an7}\h\h\hLike, I was just gonna
casually, like, talk to him.
818
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,273
{\an7}And then we started talking
\h\h\h\h\h\hmore and more.
819
00:34:26,273 --> 00:34:30,174
{\an7}\h\hWith Michael, it’s like
we’re having conversations,
820
00:34:30,174 --> 00:34:30,976
{\an7}like, every day.
821
00:34:30,976 --> 00:34:35,405
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\hI’m not having these
conversations with anyone else.
822
00:34:35,405 --> 00:34:36,976
{\an7}\h- Can I just clear up
a couple things, then?
823
00:34:36,976 --> 00:34:39,207
{\an7}Because I’ll be the first
\h\hto officially say it.
824
00:34:39,207 --> 00:34:41,405
{\an7}We are so relieved
\hthat you are you.
825
00:34:41,405 --> 00:34:43,712
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Amen.
- Because obviously, you know,
826
00:34:43,712 --> 00:34:46,844
{\an7}you had only talked mainly
through Facebook and text.
827
00:34:46,844 --> 00:34:49,009
{\an7}You have two different
\h\h\h\hFacebook pages,
828
00:34:49,009 --> 00:34:50,943
{\an7}which was kind of confusing.
829
00:34:50,943 --> 00:34:52,877
{\an7}- I got locked out of that one.
830
00:34:52,877 --> 00:34:54,108
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h- Okay.
- But I had, like,
831
00:34:54,108 --> 00:34:55,405
{\an7}already made another one.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- Okay.
832
00:34:55,405 --> 00:34:57,844
{\an7}And so everything we know
about you is true, then.
833
00:34:57,844 --> 00:34:59,877
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\hYou’re 28.
You played basketball.
834
00:34:59,877 --> 00:35:02,042
{\an7}You live in South Carolina.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hAll of that.
835
00:35:02,042 --> 00:35:03,273
{\an7}- Yeah. Everything is true.
836
00:35:03,273 --> 00:35:06,339
{\an7}- So all the sort of hesitation
\h\h\h\habout showing yourself
837
00:35:06,339 --> 00:35:09,438
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\hwasn’t because
of any physical insecurity.
838
00:35:09,438 --> 00:35:12,075
{\an7}It was just about the sort
\h\h\h\h\h\ha vulnerability
839
00:35:12,075 --> 00:35:15,009
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\hthat comes
with showing yourself.
840
00:35:15,009 --> 00:35:16,438
{\an7}- Yes.
841
00:35:16,438 --> 00:35:19,844
{\an7}\h\h\h\h- Julia, yesterday,
when we talked to Christin,
842
00:35:19,844 --> 00:35:21,438
{\an7}we asked her about Michael,
843
00:35:21,438 --> 00:35:24,372
{\an7}and she didn’t seem
\hto know who he is.
844
00:35:24,372 --> 00:35:26,877
{\an7}Does your family know
\h\h\h\h\habout him?
845
00:35:26,877 --> 00:35:29,141
{\an7}- My whole family knows. Yes.
846
00:35:29,141 --> 00:35:30,943
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- So all the stuff
with the family not knowing,
847
00:35:30,943 --> 00:35:35,306
{\an7}\hnot watching reality TV, all
that stuff, was her covering?
848
00:35:35,306 --> 00:35:37,108
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h- I don’t know.
She was covering for me,
849
00:35:37,108 --> 00:35:38,943
{\an7}so she said whatever.
850
00:35:38,943 --> 00:35:42,339
{\an7}- So the only thing that
\hwere afraid to tell me
851
00:35:42,339 --> 00:35:44,306
{\an7}is that you’re bisexual.
852
00:35:44,306 --> 00:35:47,976
{\an7}- Well, no. Um--
853
00:35:47,976 --> 00:35:51,712
{\an7}[somber music]
854
00:35:51,712 --> 00:35:54,240
{\an7}A few years ago...
855
00:35:54,240 --> 00:36:00,042
{\an7}\h\hI had been out
and I was drinking.
856
00:36:01,372 --> 00:36:05,976
{\an7}And I trusted someone
\h\h\hto take me home,
857
00:36:05,976 --> 00:36:09,141
{\an7}and they didn’t-they didn’t
\h\h\h\h\h\h\htake me home.
858
00:36:09,141 --> 00:36:13,009
{\an7}And...
859
00:36:13,009 --> 00:36:16,438
{\an7}I was assaulted.
860
00:36:17,141 --> 00:36:22,042
{\an7}\hAnd it’s just made me
super vulnerable, like,
861
00:36:22,042 --> 00:36:24,976
{\an7}especially with men.
862
00:36:24,976 --> 00:36:26,009
{\an7}So it’s just, like,
863
00:36:26,009 --> 00:36:29,108
{\an7}\h\hI take things,
like, super slowly.
864
00:36:29,108 --> 00:36:31,108
{\an7}\h\h\h\h- I’m really sorry
that that happened to you.
865
00:36:31,108 --> 00:36:33,976
{\an7}Obviously, your experience
\h\h\hand when you share it
866
00:36:33,976 --> 00:36:36,207
{\an7}and how long it takes you
\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto share it
867
00:36:36,207 --> 00:36:37,009
{\an7}is completely up to you,
868
00:36:37,009 --> 00:36:39,943
{\an7}because it’s your life
\h\hand it’s your body.
869
00:36:39,943 --> 00:36:42,943
{\an7}- That’s how I feel. Thank you.
870
00:36:43,141 --> 00:36:45,141
{\an7}- I do wanna ask you, though,
871
00:36:45,141 --> 00:36:49,174
{\an7}do you even see yourself
\h\h\hcurrently mentally
872
00:36:49,174 --> 00:36:54,910
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\hand emotionally
and spiritually dating again?
873
00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:58,273
{\an7}And are your feelings
for Michael romantic
874
00:36:58,273 --> 00:37:01,844
{\an7}or are they friendship-based?
875
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:07,451
{\an7}- I do wanna ask you,
876
00:37:07,451 --> 00:37:11,045
{\an7}are your feelings for Michael
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hromantic
877
00:37:11,045 --> 00:37:14,177
{\an7}or are they friendship-based?
878
00:37:14,177 --> 00:37:16,220
{\an7}[tense music]
879
00:37:16,220 --> 00:37:18,814
{\an7}- Well, I really like Michael.
880
00:37:18,814 --> 00:37:20,319
{\an7}I think he’s really sweet.
881
00:37:20,319 --> 00:37:22,012
{\an7}And we text every day.
882
00:37:22,012 --> 00:37:24,715
{\an7}\h\h\h\hWe connect on,
like, different levels,
883
00:37:24,715 --> 00:37:27,715
{\an7}\h\hand we’re, like,
into the same things.
884
00:37:27,715 --> 00:37:28,781
{\an7}I was hoping that we’d be able
885
00:37:28,781 --> 00:37:31,144
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hto meet
and see where things went.
886
00:37:31,144 --> 00:37:34,913
{\an7}- So you are interested in him
\h\h\h\h\h\hin a romantic way.
887
00:37:34,913 --> 00:37:36,385
{\an7}- Yeah.
888
00:37:36,385 --> 00:37:37,484
{\an7}Like, I want to meet him.
889
00:37:37,484 --> 00:37:40,451
{\an7}\h\h\h- So all of that is real.
That’s what’s blowing my mind,
890
00:37:40,451 --> 00:37:44,111
{\an7}is that, like, you’re real,
\h\h\h\hyour story is real,
891
00:37:44,111 --> 00:37:46,045
{\an7}the way you feel about
\h\h\hMichael is real.
892
00:37:46,045 --> 00:37:47,748
{\an7}- Like, I’ve had people, like,
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hquestion
893
00:37:47,748 --> 00:37:48,847
{\an7}if I was catfishing them
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hbefore,
894
00:37:48,847 --> 00:37:51,177
{\an7}\hbecause I’m just, like,
so hesitant about, like,
895
00:37:51,177 --> 00:37:53,253
{\an7}talking on the phone
and, like, videoing.
896
00:37:53,253 --> 00:37:55,012
{\an7}I’m just, like, weird about it.
897
00:37:55,012 --> 00:37:58,319
{\an7}- Well, I’m weird too.
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- I know.
898
00:37:58,319 --> 00:38:01,144
{\an7}That’s why we’re perfect
\h\h\h\h\hfor each other.
899
00:38:01,144 --> 00:38:02,748
{\an7}- Is this really happening?
\h\h\h\h\hAre we dreaming?
900
00:38:02,748 --> 00:38:05,418
{\an7}Pinch me. I don’t understand.
\h\h\hAm I missing something?
901
00:38:05,418 --> 00:38:08,484
{\an7}- How do you feel, Michael?
902
00:38:08,484 --> 00:38:11,385
{\an7}- You know--[sighs]
903
00:38:11,385 --> 00:38:13,814
{\an7}There’s some questions.
904
00:38:13,814 --> 00:38:15,385
{\an7}But I’m not judging you.
905
00:38:15,385 --> 00:38:17,517
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h- I don’t know.
I just--I don’t want you to,
906
00:38:17,517 --> 00:38:21,177
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hlike, feel,
like, I was, like, hiding--
907
00:38:21,177 --> 00:38:24,913
{\an7}I just--it just takes me
\h\ha while to get there.
908
00:38:24,913 --> 00:38:28,253
{\an7}Like, I go at my own,
\hslow pace, I guess.
909
00:38:28,253 --> 00:38:29,880
{\an7}I didn’t know how
to deal with it,
910
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,946
{\an7}and all this happened,
\h\h\h\hand I was like,
911
00:38:31,946 --> 00:38:35,814
{\an7}\h\h\h\h"Okay, like,
I need to tell you."
912
00:38:35,814 --> 00:38:38,484
{\an7}- Well, here we are.
913
00:38:38,484 --> 00:38:40,385
{\an7}\hand we’re gonna
get through this.
914
00:38:40,385 --> 00:38:44,946
{\an7}\h\h- You know, even for Julia,
I think she’s still coping with
915
00:38:44,946 --> 00:38:48,946
{\an7}\h\hand dealing with a lot
of what she’s been through.
916
00:38:48,946 --> 00:38:52,385
{\an7}And no one can say how long
\h\h\h\hit’s going to take.
917
00:38:52,385 --> 00:38:56,286
{\an7}\hAnd you’re never gonna get
over it, you know, magically.
918
00:38:56,286 --> 00:39:01,253
{\an7}But I think that it’s really
\hbrave that you came on here
919
00:39:01,253 --> 00:39:03,451
{\an7}and talked about it.
920
00:39:04,484 --> 00:39:10,012
{\an7}- So, I would love to meet you,
\h\h\h\h\h\hactually in person.
921
00:39:10,946 --> 00:39:14,144
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\hI do like
to take things slowly.
922
00:39:14,144 --> 00:39:15,979
{\an7}- And I know that.
\h\h\h\h- Yeah. So.
923
00:39:15,979 --> 00:39:22,385
{\an7}We can try meeting up, going on
a few dates, see where it goes.
924
00:39:22,385 --> 00:39:23,616
{\an7}If you want.
925
00:39:23,616 --> 00:39:25,847
{\an7}- Oh, he wants.
926
00:39:25,847 --> 00:39:27,913
{\an7}[laughter]
927
00:39:27,913 --> 00:39:29,220
{\an7}- Do you want, Michael?
928
00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:31,220
{\an7}\h- Do you want to?
- Well, of course.
929
00:39:31,220 --> 00:39:34,583
{\an7}I mean, I want to take her
\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\hon a date.
930
00:39:34,583 --> 00:39:35,913
{\an7}She is beautiful.
931
00:39:35,913 --> 00:39:38,012
{\an7}I mean, she is a knock-out.
932
00:39:38,012 --> 00:39:40,979
{\an7}I’m falling for a girl
\hthrough text message,
933
00:39:40,979 --> 00:39:45,045
{\an7}so I can only imagine
\h\h\h\hin real life.
934
00:39:45,045 --> 00:39:47,286
{\an7}- Well, look, guys,
\h\h\h\hI gotta say,
935
00:39:47,286 --> 00:39:51,144
{\an7}I did not expect it
\hto end this way,
936
00:39:51,144 --> 00:39:52,946
{\an7}but I am so happy that it did.
937
00:39:52,946 --> 00:39:56,012
{\an7}You’ve both been through
\h\h\h\hdifficult things.
938
00:39:56,012 --> 00:39:57,517
{\an7}but you found each other.
939
00:39:57,517 --> 00:39:58,946
{\an7}So I think this could be
940
00:39:58,946 --> 00:40:01,352
{\an7}\h\h\h\ha really great
beginning of something.
941
00:40:01,352 --> 00:40:04,253
{\an7}\h\hBut mainly, I just want
to let you guys start doing
942
00:40:04,253 --> 00:40:05,451
{\an7}\h\hwhatever it is
you guys want to do
943
00:40:05,451 --> 00:40:07,682
{\an7}and not have us around
\h\h\h\hbothering you.
944
00:40:07,682 --> 00:40:09,418
{\an7}♪ ♪
945
00:40:09,418 --> 00:40:12,517
{\an7}So hopefully you guys
\h\hcan meet up soon.
946
00:40:12,517 --> 00:40:14,253
{\an7}- I wanna see her next week.
947
00:40:14,253 --> 00:40:16,319
{\an7}\h\h- You’re ready
to drive out there.
948
00:40:16,319 --> 00:40:17,517
{\an7}- Absolutely.
949
00:40:17,517 --> 00:40:19,045
{\an7}- We’re excited to see
\h\h\h\h\hwhat happens,
950
00:40:19,045 --> 00:40:22,319
{\an7}\h\hand fingers crossed,
you know, things go well.
951
00:40:22,319 --> 00:40:26,111
{\an7}- Thank you.
- Thank you.
952
00:40:26,111 --> 00:40:29,583
{\an7}\h\h- Well, good luck.
- Bye. Yeah, good luck.
953
00:40:29,583 --> 00:40:31,979
{\an7}- ♪ This is the good life ♪
954
00:40:31,979 --> 00:40:34,385
{\an7}♪ Oh, oh, oh,
\hoh, oh, oh ♪
955
00:40:34,385 --> 00:40:36,319
{\an7}♪ This is the good life ♪
956
00:40:36,319 --> 00:40:40,286
{\an7}\h\h\h\h\h\h\h♪ Oh, oh, oh
whoa, whoa, whoa, oh, oh ♪
957
00:40:40,286 --> 00:40:42,649
{\an7}♪ Whoa, oh, oh, oh,
\h\h\h\h\h\hoh, oh ♪
958
00:40:42,649 --> 00:40:45,616
{\an7}♪ Whoa, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪
959
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,221
- Jason's been talking
to Mark.
960
00:41:02,288 --> 00:41:03,989
- He makes me feel like--
like I'm wanted.
961
00:41:04,056 --> 00:41:06,625
- But you've been sending
money to this person.
962
00:41:06,692 --> 00:41:08,427
- Do you see these red flags?
963
00:41:10,396 --> 00:41:11,897
[phone line beeps]
964
00:41:11,964 --> 00:41:14,099
[gasps]
It was a girl.
965
00:41:14,166 --> 00:41:15,468
- Deep breath, Jason.
Deep breath.
966
00:41:15,534 --> 00:41:16,469
- I'm so nervous.
967
00:41:16,535 --> 00:41:17,503
[doorbell rings]
968
00:41:17,570 --> 00:41:19,238
- Get the [bleep]
outta here.