- ♪ MTV ♪
- I met Piers when I was 13 in an anime fandom page.
He lives in London.
I felt like I was writing a diary to him.
Like, I told him everything.
- I feel like we've got one shot to find this guy
before he disappears again.
- What?
- Someone's not telling the truth.
- This is really weird.
- [gasps] - You see that person?
- Who is that? - Hi.
Here we go.
[dramatic music]
- How am I feeling today?
Ah, this is me every day.
- "Ask me about the fucks I give."
[laughs] - I'm always out. Fresh out.
- And you want to know how I feel
about starting work today? - [laughs]
- Sorry. - Sorry.
- Put it officially. Put it right here.
- Yeah, that gives me confidence.
- We'll put that right there.
Catfish, be warned.
All right, let's see what we got.
Here we go. We got an email.
"Dear Nev and Kamie.
"My name is Reign, she/her. I'm 20.
Live in Houston and currently work at a pizza restaurant."
- I wonder if they have gluten-free crust.
- "I started being homeschooled
"in the seventh grade.
"I felt isolated and alone and spent most of
"my free time online in fandoms.
"Being part of these fandoms felt
"very much like a home for me.
"Seven years ago, I messaged a boy
"named Piers after he made a funny comment
"on my friend's post.
"He was two years older than me,
"but we immediately became best friends.
"We were talking to each other daily,
"and we even stayed up DMing each other at night.
"I was secretly convinced he was the one for me.
- ♪ You and me ♪
- "But I understood it probably wouldn't work out
because he lived in London."
- Piers from London. - Wow.
- ♪ So far, oh, oh ♪
♪ I'm holding onto this ♪
- "Also, Piers has always been mysterious.
"He wouldn't tell me his last name,
"and the page we talked on was a fandom page.
"He also had a habit of going no contact for months
"at a time with no explanation.
"After some time, the months turned into years,
"and I thought I had lost him,
"but a few weeks ago, after four years,
we finally reconnected." - No.
- "I was so happy to hear from him,
"and this feels like an opportunity
"I cannot pass up to find out who he is
"and what his true intentions are.
"I hope to hear from you.
Love, Reign."
♪ ♪
Wow. - Seven years?
We haven't had one that goes this far back
in a long time. - Yeah.
- Four years you go missing on me?
Forget it. Four hours?
Forget it.
- And after four hours, you're--
- I'm done. - You're done?
- I'm single. - [laughs]
- Back on the apps. - All right.
Let's give Reign a call.
[line trilling]
- Hello. Is this Reign?
- Hey. - Hey!
- Reign, it's Nev and Kamie.
- We're good. We just read your email.
Your head must be spinning.
- How did he just sort of pop back up?
- So then you guys now are talking again?
- And is he just acting like nothing
even happened for four years?
- And you still have a real desire...
- To be with him?
- After all these years?
- All right, well, look, we want to help.
So we'll come down to Houston, and, hopefully,
we can help you sort it out.
- All right. - See you soon.
- Bye, Reign.
- I can't believe that she's still
giving this person the time of day.
- I know. - Something's up.
- Yeah.
- Could somebody new have gotten access to his page?
- I was thinking that too. - Yeah, I don't know.
It's weird.
- All I know is that if this guy Reigns
on her parade,
there will be no tears for Piers.
- [laughs]
- How long have you been hanging on to that?
- Let's go.
-♪ I, I ♪
♪ I can have you ♪
♪ I know I can ♪
- All right. - H-Town.
Going down.
I just want to roll down the window and be like,
Beyoncé! Beyoncé, where are you?
- I just wonder where Piers lives.
- He said he's from London.
- Maybe we have to go to London.
- He's not from London.
- There's definitely some London fog...
- Yeah.
- Around this whole situation.
That's for sure.
[grunts]
Oh, Reign.
You're all ready out here.
- Hello. - Hi.
- Nice to meet you.
Can I hug you too? - This is so nice.
- Yeah, of course.
- This is such a charming, older home.
- This is a duplex, basically. - This is cool.
- You have cats? - I have two cats and a dog.
- Where are they?
- This is Luanne.
- [gasps] Oh, my goodness.
Look at you being so good.
- Oh, my gosh.
- What a sweetie.
- I just want to investigate this dog.
- She is just so cute.
- Love her. OK.
All right, let's get into it.
Yeah. [purrs]
- Hello.
- I have another cat, but they're hiding.
I hope Charlie comes out.
- Charlie is the other one? - Yes.
So Piers's first name is Charlie.
He goes by his middle name.
I named my cat after Piers.
- Whoa.
Before we can even really understand how much meaning
you assign to the namesake of your cat,
I think we need to understand the relationship with Piers
from the beginning.
How did all this start?
- So I was with my dad in Buffalo, New York,
and I came back to live with my mom
when I was 11 with my brother here in Houston.
And just a lot of weird energies back and forth
because we weren't with her for a long time.
She was just never really a mother figure.
It just felt like she wasn't there,
and I didn't feel safe,
and then I started being homeschooled.
So I was at home a lot.
I just felt isolated, and I wasn't around people
my age, and I, like, used my phone as an outlet,
and I found people through it in the community.
I met Piers when I was 13 in an anime fandom page.
My friend Sam had a meme account on Instagram,
and Piers commented,
and I responded.
And then we started talking on direct message,
and our friendship took off after that.
- What kind of things did you guys talk about?
- I would always talk to him about things
that were happening at home.
[somber music]
I didn't get the help I needed at the time.
♪ ♪
And that help was Piers.
♪ ♪
I felt like I was writing a diary to him.
Like, I was-- I told him everything.
He was there for me all that time.
- Mm.
It's all making sense now.
- And were you mostly speaking via text?
- We were DMing on Instagram, and we also had a group chat.
- But never on the phone? - Mm-mm.
- So when you first started communicating with Piers,
it was via his profile on this fandom page?
- Yeah.
- Did he have a picture of himself on his profile?
- Mm-mm.
I think we had anime characters as our profile pictures.
- So at first, you didn't know what Piers looked like?
- You know, we just had mutual interests,
and we were able to bond in a special way.
- Do you have pictures of yourself on your page?
No. So you both just--
I mean, it's like total anonymity?
- Yeah.
- But at some point, you guys exchanged photos?
- Yes, but that was probably four or five months
after knowing him.
- OK, so I'm imagining you found him to be attractive?
Tell us about Piers.
What do you know about him?
- I know that he lives in London.
He's two years older than me. He's very funny.
- OK.
At what point in your back-and-forth
did it feel like it was more than a friendship?
- I feel like right off the bat,
it felt like we were both attracted to each other.
- Even though you hadn't seen each other?
- Yeah. Like, I knew I was attracted to him,
and that's why I was texting him all the time.
- So there was a strong mental connection there
before you even knew what he looked like?
- Yeah.
- Did you guys ever talk about, like, meeting up,
or are you going to London
or him coming to the United States?
- We made jokes about it, but we weren't ever really,
like, too serious because we were kids,
and we didn't have the money and the time.
Of course, like, we're older, but I don't think
we're thinking that far ahead. - Yeah.
- But then he started disappearing
for weeks, months at a time.
- What happened when he came back?
How did that happen?
- When he came back, he didn't explain anything.
It was-- it just went back from where it stopped.
So then it happened again.
And it was just a constant cycle
of the same thing of like, disappearing in and out.
- And how long did that go on for?
- It happened like three or four times,
and then he disappeared for a good four years after that.
- And no explanation any of these times?
Did you ever confront him, or were you ever like,
"Where the fuck have you been
for the past how many months?"
- No, because I have this love for him.
I couldn't get it out of my head.
- Right.
- I'm very curious to see what Piers looks like.
- Do you want me to show you right now?
- Can you? - Yeah.
This is what I have of Piers.
- Good-looking guy. - Cute.
- Yeah.
- This guy could be from England.
- Oh, yeah. - [chuckles]
- So tell us more about this anime group chat
that you and Piers were in.
- Well, so in the group chat,
it was Samantha, Piers, my friend Chloe,
and my other friend John.
And we were all like a family.
Well, it was like a family to me.
- Who brought everybody into the group chat?
- Samantha.
- How did you get connected with Samantha initially?
- I met her in the fandom.
- And all of these other people,
you also have not met them in real life?
So it was all through the fandom, all online?
- So of all the people in the group chat,
have you talked to any of them on the phone?
- I've FaceTimed Chloe.
I'm in contact with Chloe still.
- Are you still in contact with any of the other people?
- No, Sam went MIA around the same time Piers did
and John as well.
- But it's not that strange considering
that these were teenage fandom accounts.
They maybe just sort of moved on.
But now he's back, following you on Instagram
and acting like nothing ever happened.
- Yeah, it's weird.
- Well, that's something of a lead.
We don't have a ton of information about this guy,
but whatever you do have, send it to us.
Also on Sam, Chloe, and John and everybody
in the group chat. See what we can find.
And we'll be in touch tomorrow.
- It was really nice meeting you.
- Good to meet you.
Thanks for having us in your home.
It was lovely.
Bye.
[laughs] We'll see you tomorrow.
[dramatic music]
I just feel sad for Reign.
I feel like Reign is still stuck in the same place
that she's been since she was 13, 14, 15.
- I mean, the bond and loyalty
that she feels to him makes sense.
But I feel like we've got one shot to find this guy
before he disappears again.
- All right. We need to do a recap.
- Somebody's capping.
So we got to recap. [laughter]
- Reign met Piers seven years ago.
As a teen in distress, a connection is made.
Reign essentially falls in love with Piers.
They all hang out in an anime fandom group chat,
and they all become friends with each other.
- John, Sam, Chloe, Reign, and Piers.
- Right, five of them. - Five of them.
- At first, the biggest problem is that Piers lives in London,
but then out of nowhere one day, Piers vanishes.
- After ghosting periodically...
- Right. - Throughout.
- Four years go by.
Then one day, a few weeks ago,
Reign sees that Piers's old Instagram account
is following her. - Mm-hmm.
- He's back. She DMs, "Oh, my God!
Hey, how are you?" He says, "Hi. What's up?"
- What is up?
- Then they're back to talking again
like nothing ever happened.
Reign needs to know, Who is this person
that meant so much to me then
and that I've continued to hold such a special place
in my heart for?
She's like waiting for true love's kiss,
and I don't think it's coming from Piers.
- Could be John. Could be Chloe.
Could be Sam. Could be none of them.
I don't know. I don't know.
- Well, let's see. Did she send us any info?
Yes. Wow, she sent a long email.
"Dear Nev and Kamie, Piers is 22 years old
"and lives in London.
"I met Piers on my friend Sam's Instagram.
"Sam created the group chat along with her friend John,
who she also online-dated." - OK.
- "Unfortunately, don't have any contact information
for Sam, and her Instagram is gone."
- Sounds suspicious.
- "But Chloe's still around, and we still chat
"and check in on each other.
"Here's her Instagram and phone number.
"The old Instagrams for John and Piers are private,
"so I'm sending you my Instagram login in case
you want to look at them." Wow, a lot going on.
- I want to see all the Instagram.
We have to log in to her Instagram
in order to see theirs.
- All right, here we go.
- This is Piers' page.
- Basically, just a few anime memes.
Weird profile that hasn't been used a long time.
And not a good sign that the only pic he has on there
is from when he was like 15.
- Any he tagged pictures?
No. - No.
Let's go to John's page. OK.
This is from a long time ago. Four years ago.
Oh, yeah, 'cause I guess they all disappeared
around the same time. - Mm.
- All right.
- Let's look at Chloe's page. - Oh, Chloe's page. Right.
- It's gorgeous. - OK.
- Florida girl. - This one looks current.
Traveling.
I think it's safe to say this is a real person, right?
- Yeah.
- We should probably try to talk to her.
I'm going to text Chloe.
This is Nev from the show "Catfish."
I'd love to chat with you about your friend Reign
and your mutual friend Piers.
Hit me back when you can. Thanks.
[phone chirps] All right.
- Well, now what?
Do we have those pictures of Piers?
- Let's search these. No. No faces found.
All right. What about this one?
There's nothing. Oh, I'm getting a call.
- Call right there.
- Oh, hey. - Hey.
- What is up?
OK, so your friend Reign told us that guy
Piers just popped back up,
and we were curious what you know about him
and if there's anything you could tell us
about the situation.
- What about Sam? Do you remember Samantha?
- With Sam, did you ever FaceTime with her
or talk to her on the phone or anything like that?
- And then John, what do you know about him?
- OK.
- So you know John in real life?
- Yeah. - And you FaceTimed Sam?
- But did you ever FaceTime Piers?
- What? - Da, da, da, da, da.
- Do you have any contact information for John?
- OK.
- Exactly. - Yes.
- So, yeah, shoot that over to us
because we're doing our investigation right now.
- Thank you.
- Bye.
I thought it was Sam, but John is suspect
numero uno, period.
All of a sudden, "Oh, I don't--
Piers isn't even from London." - Well.
- Unless he was just trying to like shit
on him because he didn't want the girls
to, like, be obsessed with him.
- Definitely a possibility.
OK, so what else do we have?
Oh, yeah, I guess we can go back into Reign's Instagram.
- Oh, the messages.
If you go to John and you go to messages.
- This is John? - Yeah.
See if they have any. - Oh, good call. They do.
- John was talking to her more than Piers.
John said, "I love you. Good night."
John said, "I know you want to isolate yourself right now,
but I just want you to know that I love you very much
"and you mean a lot to me.
"You are a beautiful and smart person,
"and you're gonna go places no matter who
or what is bringing you down."
That looks like either a really, really good friend
or, like, someone who has feelings for you.
And maybe she just missed it
because she was so caught up in Piers.
- Could John and Piers be the same person?
- Yes.
- According to Chloe, John alluded to the fact
that Piers may not be British and does not live in London
but, in fact, lives where John lives in Florida.
- Jacksonville, conveniently.
- I wonder if Reign already knows about this
or if this is going to be as surprising to her
as it is to us. - Mm-hmm.
- Because there's definitely something going on here,
and we're not getting all the info.
- Hey, we found some stuff.
Why don't we come and pick you up?
And then we'll figure out a place to sit down
and go over everything.
[upbeat music]
All right. - Thank you.
- This is nice.
Let's sit down.
All right.
So why don't you slide in?
We'll show you what we did and what we've got.
So we looked at his Instagram.
So there's not a lot on there.
Tried searching the photos, but we didn't find any hits.
So we couldn't really do anything with that.
Now, what was interesting about John's Instagram
was not so much the things that he's posted,
but when we clicked on messages,
we saw that you guys messaged a lot.
- Mm-hmm.
- Now, you told us obviously he was your friend.
The messages have a little bit more than,
like, just friends vibe. Is that fair to say?
- Yeah, that is fair to say. - OK.
- But we just texted like that in the group chat.
Even Samantha would text me in that flirty type way.
- OK.
So did you ever have feelings for Jonathan, John?
No.
And did you ever get a sense
that he maybe had feelings for you?
- OK, a little bit, but I didn't want to think
that way 'cause Sam and John dated.
So I was, like, in denial.
- Interesting. - OK.
- Because we also saw Chloe's page.
And we knew you had FaceTimed with her
and so that you knew she was real.
So we reached out, and then we actually talked to her
and FaceTimed. - Really?
- Yeah. She's in Florida.
She's not in touch with anybody,
really, anymore either.
And the only thing that stood out
was that she vaguely remembers in one conversation
that they had way back when that John said
that he had talked to Piers
and that John mentioned something like,
"Piers isn't even really from London."
- He's not even from London.
He lives in Jacksonville.
- That's what she said? - Yeah.
- Do you know anyone in Jacksonville?
- I just know Chloe is in Jacksonville
and John's in Jacksonville.
- Well, we didn't really know, obviously, what it means,
but since it's our job to be suspicious of people
and Piers has not proven to you in any meaningful way
that he actually is from London
or that he's the guy in the pictures,
that certainly raised our suspicion about John.
So we want to speak to him.
And we were hopeful that Chloe was gonna get back to us
with some information,
see if we could actually talk to John,
which would be great. - She hasn't texted us.
- I don't think so.
- Should we text her, see if she got any
new info to share? - Sure.
Were you able to track down
any contact info for John?
OK, sent.
- I don't know. It's too much.
- Oh. - That was so fast.
- Yeah. She said, "Hi!
"I'm so sorry. No, I couldn't.
"I don't have any old contacts 'cause this is, like,
"my third new phone since then,
"and we don't follow each other on anything.
"I'm still looking for stuff, but I'll get back
to you tomorrow if I find anything else."
So hopefully, we can get a hold of John
because I think there's a chance that John
is also Piers.
You had a close connection with both of them.
Maybe at the time John was in a relationship with Sam,
but he also liked you,
and he couldn't like you as him.
- I hope not.
- So here's the thing.
If Piers is telling the truth, then we wouldn't be here.
So someone's not telling the truth.
- ♪ Losing my mind ♪
♪ But I found it, oh, make me ♪
- Piers, John, and Sam
all disappeared at the same time.
I don't think that's a coincidence.
The only real people that are still existing from that chat
are you and Chloe. Something is up.
- That's crazy, though.
If there's a chance that he is John, he--
I'm just trying to process.
- ♪ I'm hooked onto your life support ♪
♪ So don't let me go ♪
- It's just really weird.
I don't know what to think.
- ♪ I'm hooked on to your life support ♪
♪ So don't let me go ♪
- Whether or not we get any information for John,
we still have to decide whether or not
you think now is the right time to reach out to Piers,
explain the situation, and give him an opportunity
to finally meet you.
- I need answers. - Mm-hmm.
- Well, if you want answers, I think you need
to demand them from Piers.
- That would make me very happy to see you
tell him what he needs to do.
You know, like, we're not teenagers anymore.
I need to know who you are, where you live,
how serious you are about coming back into my life.
[tense music]
- You go, girl.
♪ ♪
- Hey, I really want to continue our friendship,
but I don't think this will work out
if our communication keeps getting cut short like this.
It makes me feel like you don't truly value me,
and I think I deserve more.
I've loved you all this time,
and I don't think it's fair to be treated like this
without an explanation.
I would love to meet you after all this time
because I don't think I can handle
losing touch with you again.
So if you aren't willing to see me now,
I think we should call it quits.
- Wow. - Very good.
- Period!
- All right, let's give him a minute and see what he says.
How's that feel to send that?
- Very empowering. You know?
- You're standing up for yourself.
- Yeah.
- How quickly does he typically respond?
- Honestly, sometimes it takes a full day.
- Oh, God.
- I always thought it was like the time difference
or something. - Well, if he's in the UK.
- He ain't in the UK.
- So I guess there's not much we can do
right now regarding Piers.
If he gets the message and wants to respond
and do the right thing, then he will.
But even if we can't get the truth from Piers,
I still think we have a better shot of getting it
from anyone in Jacksonville.
But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
- Well, I'm excited to find out what comes.
I'm ready.
- For now, we'll give you a ride home
and see what happens. - Mm-hmm.
♪ ♪
- If you hear anything, let us know.
We'll give Piers till the morning to get back to you.
And we'll just be ready to travel.
Plan on being ready first thing in the morning
to head out to either Florida or somewhere else.
- My goodness. OK.
- All right. - Yeah.
- Bye.
♪ ♪
- Hello.
- Good morning. - How you feeling?
- I'm feeling really nervous. - Yeah?
Any word from... - Anybody?
- No? Nothing? Yeah, same here.
I was hoping that at least Chloe would come through.
- I mean, all signs point to Jacksonville right now.
Chloe's in Jacksonville. John is in Jacksonville.
And Piers, according to John, is also in Jacksonville.
- Then I guess Jacksonville it is.
I mean, look, between Chloe and John,
there's got to be some information
that they can give us.
And if that leads to London, then we'll fly to London.
- I'm really excited to be able to meet Chloe
for the first time.
- So it won't be a total loss.
Let me text Chloe again.
Hey, Chloe, since you and John are both in Jacksonville,
we're following our instincts and coming there with Reign.
If you can get in touch with John,
that would be great.
We'll let you know when we land in a few hours
and, hopefully, be able to all meet up.
- Let's go.
[upbeat music]
♪ ♪
- Ready for an adventure? - Yes.
♪ ♪
- I'm flying.
Thank you all.
♪ ♪
- Whoo! - On the road.
♪ ♪
[plane whooshing]
- All right, we made it.
♪ ♪
We're gonna find you, Piers.
[phone chimes] Oh! It's Chloe.
- So we are going to a park to meet who?
- She never responded. - She never responded.
- That is kind of annoying. - It's just weird.
- I mean, could be just her.
Could be her, John if she managed
to get in touch with him.
For all we know, we might be on our way to actually
meet Piers, whoever that is.
- I mean, what if it has been John this whole time?
What does that mean for you?
- That would easily just break my heart
because I consider John a really good friend,
and no one wants to be lied to.
[tense music]
- This is the park.
[turn signal clicking]
Yes. We're looking for Chloe.
- Pretty empty.
- All right.
Should we go see what's up?
- Yeah.
- All right.
♪ ♪
- Can you see that person?
- Who is that?
- Hi. - Here we go.
[tense music]
- Can you see that person?
- Who is that?
- Here we go.
- Oh, is that her?
She looks like she's alone. - Interesting.
♪ ♪
- Hi. Chloe?
- Hey.
- Hi, lady. - Oh, my God.
- You're so cute. - Goodness, girl.
- It's so good to finally see you.
- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you, guys. - Thanks for...
- Good to see you guys here. - Good to see you.
- Showing up.
- I didn't think we were gonna hear from you because
you didn't text us back.
- I thought that I could get ahold of John.
Like, have all of us be here since he's here anyway,
but it didn't work out that way.
- I mean, I know we had asked about
trying to get in touch with him,
but, like, was that the only reason you were trying
to get him here, or was it because
you know something about Piers that we don't know?
- I do. - You do?
- I do.
So, Reign, there have been some things
that, like, you don't know because we were just kids,
and it was a long-ass fucking time ago.
I had a bunch of phantom accounts,
and when I met you first,
it was through a different account.
- Are we talking about the Piers' account?
- That's what I'm alluding to, yeah.
♪ ♪
- So you are Piers.
- Yes.
[somber music]
When all of this occurred, I was 12.
And it was just an online group chat
that I was in.
Most of the stuff that happened
on those was role-playing anyway.
And once I, like, noticed that
you kind of liked that account,
that's when I stopped being as active on it,
and I became more distant, and I stopped using it
because I was like, "OK, well, that's kind of like an area
I don't want to touch."
♪ ♪
- Why didn't you tell me? - I don't know.
I was a kid, and I didn't think
any of it would matter.
I honestly did not think you and I
would still be talking to each other.
- But now you're not a kid, and when she got--
- She's not a kid, either. Yeah.
- Right, exactly.
And when she saw the Piers profile suddenly follow her
again after all these years,
she's thinking, like, this person
that I had this childhood love with
is back in my life.
Why did you pop back up as Piers?
- So when I was digging through my Instagram accounts,
like two months ago, I was like,
OK, let me see where Piers was.
I would check on it, like, once a year, whenever
I'd remember it exists.
And I'd be like, "Oh, shit," you know?
But I didn't mean to follow you from that account.
I honestly don't really know how it happened.
But I'm sorry that I put you through
any of that emotional distress.
- So what made you talk to her account
instead of just messaging her as you and being like,
"Hey, just, ha-ha, letting you know
"that account that you used to follow
all those years ago, it was actually me?"
- Because I never thought we would meet.
I'd never thought that it was worth it enough to,
like, break your heart about it.
And it'd be easier to just be like, "Oh, you know,
miss you, too."
And then, like, just, hopefully, one day,
you'd stop. - OK.
But, like, when we spoke to you yesterday,
you were lying to us. - Yeah.
That was just honestly because
I didn't know what I would do. I wasn't too sure.
But I've always had a guilt on my shoulders about it,
so I decided it's just more appropriate to come clean.
- I'm happy you're being honest with me now.
But it's like-- it's just insane.
I just didn't expect that it was a lie.
I didn't really expect that from you.
- Did you ever have any romantic feelings for Reign?
- I don't think so.
We were all just kids, just role-playing.
To me, it was about both of us having
someone to talk to.
- Do you remember the stuff that I would talk about?
- Some of it. Yeah.
- I just want to confirm. John is a real person?
- John's a real person. I've hung out with John.
- What about Sam? - Sam is a real person.
I knew Sam before I knew you.
- How did you even come up with the name "Piers"?
- [laughs] I was a big gamer girl.
And I played-- I loved "Resident Evil."
There's a character named Piers Nivans.
And I was playing it when I made that account.
[laughs] - What's funny?
- I get if you're nervous. - Yeah.
- That's totally understandable,
but, like, this isn't funny.
We're not laughing.
- I'm sorry.
- All right, well, it's a lot.
I think taking the rest of the day
just to sort of let it all sink in is a good idea.
- Mm-hmm.
- Nice to meet you.
We'll figure out a time for tomorrow.
- All right. - Thank you.
- Bye, Reign.
- ♪ I wouldn't mind if ♪
- That's not what I was expecting.
- ♪ As we know ♪
♪ I dig my own grave ♪
♪ So your garden could grow ♪
- Ugh.
♪ ♪
- ♪ How does it feel to be so ♪
- All that stuff was really real to me.
It just sucks to think that I was just being,
like, played with.
She's, like, laughing.
I think she thinks it's, like, not that serious,
but it was really serious to me.
- If she wants to laugh about it,
she can 'cause that's her experience,
but we're not laughing.
I think that it's important to remember how you feel
right now when we talk to her tomorrow
so that she can really understand
how it's affected you.
- ♪ You were my dreams ♪
- Oh, it hurts.
- ♪ Thought I grow tired ♪
♪ You gave me sweet delusion ♪
[knocks] - Come in.
[somber music]
- Hey, queen. - Hi.
- What's up? - Good morning, team.
- How are you feeling?
- Very emotional.
And I'm still processing everything.
I just feel betrayed.
- Well, I think today, it would be good
for you to communicate a little bit more
to her, for your sake, how you're feeling.
- I want to be able to stand up for myself in this situation.
And I think that's what's best for me,
to move on. - Yeah.
- All right. I'm gonna text her.
Hey Chloe, we'd love to come and chat some more.
Where should we meet you?
She said, "My parents are at home right now, but you can
meet me at my friend's house." She sent an address.
Shall we? - We shall.
[tense music]
♪ ♪
- How are we feeling going into this?
- I don't really want to hear her excuses.
I just want her to hear how much it really meant to me
and that she actually hurt me.
- All right.
This is it.
♪ ♪
[knocking] - Hello.
- Hi. - Hey.
- Hi, welcome in.
- Good to see you.
OK.
- How are you feeling after yesterday?
- I mean, I've had more time to think about this
than she has, obviously.
So I'm happy with how things went.
♪ ♪
- OK, well, just so you know,
for Reign, it's still very fresh.
So I think that giving her a chance
to be able to say how she really feels and,
like, you really taking it in will mean a lot to her.
- I want to make you feel
like this is a safe place to do that.
- Um...
realizing that, you know, you were Piers, right now,
it's like it's a really big thing for me
to process because I did--
I still think about that time
because it was really important,
and I don't want--
I don't want to forget any of that
or, like, try to suppress those emotions because
it was really important for me,
and, like, I just wish that you were, like,
more honest.
Um, you were like, and--
[somber music]
- Continue.
♪ ♪
- I just really needed a friend at the time.
And like, you disappearing,
it would have been nice for an explanation.
I don't know.
I just wish you were more honest.
- I want you to know that everything--
everything from me as Chloe, from Piers was 100% genuine.
I knew what you were going through.
We were both children in broken homes,
and internet was our escape.
I should have told you, but I didn't say anything
because I would only do it,
and it would only hurt both of us.
Especially if you were not at a point in time
where you were doing OK in life.
And I didn't want to, like, add that to you because,
again, like, I knew what you were going through.
- OK, but would it be safe to say
that one of the other reasons you didn't tell her
was just because it's not fun
to tell someone that you lied?
- I wouldn't word it like that. - Well, I know you--
I know that.
I've heard you not word it like that.
You're saying all these things that are true and make sense,
but it feels like there's also the other side
of it, which is just like,
Why should I tell you the truth?
Like, it would have sucked for me.
♪ ♪
- If you're questioning whether or not, like,
I had integrity about it, I wasn't thinking about myself.
If I would have admitted it to her,
my life would have continued going.
The days would have started and ended
the exact same because nobody else in my life
is part of this, you know?
It would have affected me only in the aspect
that I would have thought about how it affected her.
Your best interest is in mind, not my best interest.
I want to make that clear.
♪ ♪
Care about you a lot.
And I'm sorry.
I want to continue to grow as a person,
and I want you to continue to grow as a person.
And in the future, I would love to introduce you
more to my life.
♪ ♪
- Well, I definitely need time.
It's something I need to heal from.
- Sure.
- But thank you for being honest with me.
- I feel like honesty isn't even enough.
- I mean, it's a start.
- Yeah.
- All right.
Well, thanks for listening and sharing.
This is an important chapter of your lives
and can turn into a new chapter or not,
but glad that we were able to do this.
- I think for now, you understand, Chloe,
that she's gonna need to be the one
to reach out to you first. - Yeah.
- Give her some space.
And she comes to you when she's ready.
- Yeah, of course.
- ♪ I know it's hard to fall ♪
- All right, well, I think we can say our goodbyes.
Nice to meet you. Thank you.
- Nice to meet you. - It's good to meet you.
- It is my pleasure. Bye, Chloe.
- Bye. - Bye.
- ♪ I see your light through the window ♪
♪ Will you be there when I get home ♪
- You did great. - You did.
I'm really proud of you.
Keep speaking up. Keep calling people out.
- Real friends are connected in a meaningful way.
At the moment, she is not your friend.
She could become your friend again if that's something
you're even willing to do.
- The choice is yours.
[computer chimes] - Hey, good morning.
- What's up, Reign. How are you?
- I'm hanging in there. - OK, well, what's going on?
- I'm just processing all my emotions and stuff
and taking some time.
- I mean, it was a lot of time and friendship that you shared.
Have you been in touch with Chloe at all?
- Not really.
She's tried to reach out, but I haven't responded back.
- Right.
- But I feel like this situation has helped me
grow a lot, for sure. - Well, that's great.
And thanks again for letting us be
a little part of your journey.
- Thank you. - All right, Reign.
Be good. OK?
- Bye. - Bye.
[computer chimes] - Hey.
- Hi. - How is everything?
- Good.
- Where are you with Reign?
- So, like, after all of that, she texted me,
like, a nice message, basically saying
she's not upset with me.
I wanted to talk to her about it more over the phone,
but, like, when I tried to call her,
she said she was at work or something.
So she was gonna call me afterwards,
but she never did.
So then I sent her a text, and then she never responded.
So then I stopped. - Right.
I just talked to her.
And there's still sort of raw feelings
that she hasn't quite figured out
how she wants to deal with yet. - Yeah.
- Has the experience changed or informed
your approach to other relationships in your life?
- First of all, catfishing somebody,
it was already like known in my brain
that I shouldn't have done that, you know?
But part of being ready to confess about it
comes with the intentions of not doing it again.
Definitely was easier to get the weight off my shoulders
with like an entire team.
- That's what we're here for. - Yeah.
All right, well, I'm glad that you did come clean
and, you know, hopefully grow from it.
- Yeah. - All right, Chloe.
Good to see you. - All right.