- ♪ MTV ♪
- There he is! Max, you're back.
- I can't believe we're here.
I may be a little rusty.
- I met T on a feederism website.
He was very caring.
And it wasn't completely just, how big can I get you?
How much can I feed you? How much do you wanna eat?
- Let's search the number.
Maybe we'll get an actual name.
- T! - This is him!
- That's him. We found him.
- Who is that man?
- Prime suspect is right there.
- Think that's T?
- Excuse me, T?
[dramatic musical sting]
[funky music]
- All right.
Well, we're back at it.
Well, at least I'm back at it.
Kamie Crawford is not available to film today.
And she left me in a little bit of a tight spot.
I need a cohost.
All right, I really didn't think
I was ever gonna have to do this
and that this day would ever come.
But I'm going to have to call in the emergency reserves.
[sighs]
[tense music]
♪ ♪
[blows, coughs]
It is time.
[imitates crow]
There he is!
[cheers and applause]
Max, you're back!
- In the flesh.
- Wow.
- I've got-- I've got it all here for you.
- There she is. - There she is.
- Oh, my God. - It's a little dusty.
- Just how I remember her.
Wow, look at that.
- Well, I obviously missed you.
I didn't tell you this.
I just got a tattoo.
- [laughs]
- I don't know if you're cool with it or not, but--
- Let's--let's get a close-up of that--
of that beauty right there.
Looks fresh.
Is it tender?
How tender?
Wow.
I can't believe we're here. - Here we are.
- How long--how long has it been?
- Five years. - Five years?
- Yeah.
- Get away from me.
- I can't believe it's been half a decade.
It feels like just yesterday, we were doing this
every week together. - Yeah.
- It's really nice to have you back, buddy.
- Aw.
- So what have you been doing these past five years?
- I made a documentary with Monica Lewinsky.
- You made a great film called "15 Minutes of Shame,"
which explored the hidden price
of online shaming.
And it was amazing. - Thank you.
And after 20 years of living in LA,
I have now returned to New York City.
- Wow, back to New York. - Yeah.
- Back on "Catfish."
Sounds like you're going backwards.
- No, no, no, no, no, no. [laughs]
No, Catfish, I am visiting.
I think the show is better with Kamie.
I think Kamie is great.
- She's great. - She's wise.
She's cool.
She's always got the right thing to say to people.
I'm kind of intimidated.
Like, I don't know if I can step in
and do what she's been doing.
So I think that she's added value for sure.
You, you know--
- I'm waiting--I'm waiting for someone to take me away.
To just-- - Anyway, I have a--you know,
someone new in my life. - Really?
- I hope you don't mind, but I couldn't get a dog sitter.
So here he is.
- Aww! Hello.
- This is Simon. - Hey, Simon.
- He's coming with us.
I hope that's okay. - Yeah.
Are you ready to do this?
- All right, back to work.
- All right, here's an email from Zahra,
subject, Hungry for Love.
- "Hi, Team Catfish.
"My name is Zahra from Orange, New Jersey.
"I'm 29 and work as a hospital worker.
"I could really use your help in finding my boyfriend, T."
Just T, the letter T.
Well, no wonder she can't find him.
"We met in an unconventional way
on a website for people into feederism."
- I don't--I don't-- - What's feederism?
- I don't know. Let's see.
"Fat fetish subculture in which individuals
"eroticize weight gain and feeding.
"Feeders become sexually aroused
"by feeding their partners,
encouraging them to gain weight."
Wow.
"I was his feedee,
and he was my feeder."
- How do you have a feederistic relationship virtually?
- Maybe delivery. - Delivery.
- "T's 32 and works at a warehouse.
"He says he lives in upstate New York,
"but he travels for work,
so he's never in the same place for too long.
"I don't have any socials.
"He doesn't have social media.
"We just text and talk on the phone.
"But when we first talked, we instantly hit it off.
"We had so much in common.
"From the moment I first talked to him,
"we had a special connection.
"T really understands me and is super caring.
"He's one of the few people I feel
"I can really be myself with.
"However, T won't physically meet me.
"We talk about a future together
"and even moving in together,
"but when push comes to shove, we never end up meeting.
"He still hasn't even FaceTimed me.
"He always has an excuse about work or his kid.
"Despite all this, my love for him still runs deep.
"I truly believe we can be happy together
"and he'll always make me feel safe.
"Please help me find my forever guy.
All my hope, Zahra."
That's interesting and very different.
Welcome back. - Thank you.
- It sounds like T's feeding her a bunch of bullshit.
- Well done.
- Let's just call Zahra.
All right. [line trills]
- Hello, Zahra? It's Nev from "Catfish."
- Going great.
I have a cohost with me that you may recognize.
Do you remember Max?
- So, believe it or not, Max is back
to guest cohost an episode.
And this is it.
- Hi, Zahra.
- So we just read your email, and it's pretty wild.
- You're gonna have to tell us a lot about feederism.
- We're very curious.
- We'll get to the bottom of whatever is going on.
- Well, look, why don't we just meet up?
We'll come to New Jersey.
And then hopefully, we can help you figure out what's going on
and meet this guy.
- See you soon.
- He's clearly hiding something big.
- But Orange is very close to the city,
where both of us now live.
We could carpool.
Shall we?
- Thought you'd never ask.
[upbeat music]
- Jersey, look at this.
- We're here. - We made it.
- Joisey.
What is in it for Zahra here?
She's holding on because this guy is her man.
- Well, because it must be hard for her to find people.
- Another feeder fetish guy?
- Yeah.
- Also, who has no social media?
Nobody.
How do people still get by with that excuse?
- What's crazy is that even since you've been gone,
nothing's really changed.
People are still just as desperate to find love as ever.
All right, ready?
- I may be a little rusty, so just back me up.
♪ ♪
Oh, hello.
- Hello. Hey, you guys.
You can come on in.
- What's up? Hey, Zahra.
- Hey, how you doing? - Good, good.
How are you? - I'm good, thanks.
Hey, Max. - Nice to meet you.
- Please have a seat.
- All right, I will.
- Okay, I'm used to bigger cameras.
Please bear with me.
I'm just kind of getting the hang of things again, you know?
- Okay. - Truth is, he's losing it.
He forgot he's not on the show anymore.
And he just showed up.
And we're just kind of letting him--
- Just going with it? Okay.
- So, Zahra, you work at a hospital.
- Yeah. - And what do you do there?
- I work in the nutrition department as a supervisor,
inside the kitchen area, and just
make sure everything's good.
- Right, so, I guess feeder adjacent.
- Wow. That's true. - Let's just--come on--
Let's cut the-- cut the bullshit.
What's feederism?
- Okay, so feederism can be many things.
You have two people that are into it,
you have a feeder and you have a feedee.
You basically have a relationship based off
of the feeders wanting to either make you bigger
or keep you fed.
It doesn't always have to necessarily
be making you bigger or stuffing you,
but there's different levels to it.
You have people that do stuff like take ranch baths
and things like that. - Ranch dressing? They do?
- Baths of ranch and gravy.
I wouldn't go that-- I mean, who knows.
- Gravy baths?
I knew this was gonna get saucy.
- A lot of the times, the feeder
isn't 100% comfortable with being physical
or physically intimate.
But they do like the idea that I just ate
all this food that you sent me.
And here's a picture or a video of,
like, me completely stuffed.
And it's not unheard of for a feeder
to be in a relationship being that feederism
is solely based on kink.
So it's kind of like a secretive type of lifestyle.
- So can we get more specific now about how you and T met?
- So basically, once I started getting into the feederism,
I started getting into this feederism website.
I posted some pics.
They got a lot of feedback, a lot of people messaging me.
But it was all fetishized.
It was all like, I wanna see this,
I wanna see you do that. How big do you wanna get?
How--you know, things like that.
I feel like with T, he actually had an open response to me.
He was very caring.
He asked, how's your day going?
How are you feeling?
You're very beautiful, do you know that?
And it wasn't completely just into how big can I get you?
How much can I feed you? How much do you wanna eat?
It seemed like he really wanted to know me as a person.
And that stood out to me more than like everyone else.
- You wanted to have some conversation.
- Right. Exactly.
Exactly.
- But the contact he made with you was, at its core,
still about him wanting to feed you?
- Right.
- So he bought you food? - Right.
- And how much did he spend on that?
Like hundreds of dollars? - Probably more.
- Like over $1,000? - Probably, yeah.
- Wow.
- So the first time, he was like, are you hungry?
I was like, yeah.
And he was like, well, what could you eat?
I said, I don't know.
I probably could eat a lot right now.
He was like, well, I'm gonna send you
something to eat to make sure that you're fed.
And basically, that's it.
- And how long does it take for you guys
to, like, start talking about something
bigger than just the fetish?
- Yeah, so we have great conversations.
He's super into me, makes me feel really good.
But I never really thought we were going
to get past the feeder/feedee relationship
because he did voice to me that he was in a relationship.
But then a few months ago, he told me
that he broke up with his girlfriend.
And he had mentioned that he'd be interested in, you know,
being my full-time or long-term feeder,
but also my boyfriend, like being in a relationship
with me, us living together, him taking care of me,
in a, like, everyday type of setting.
- And have you ever had someone in your life
say those kinds of things?
- No, I mean, a lot of times with relationships outside
of feederism, it's been like, yeah, she's big, she's fat,
I like her, but I wanna change her.
Like, I know if she did this,
she'd be so much better looking.
But you know, I like to eat.
So if you're trying to change me,
it's just gonna be a lot of back and forth.
And my relationships haven't worked out
because you wanna change me so bad.
And I know that feederism is, like, not the most healthy
thing in the world to do.
But T doesn't wanna change me.
T wants me to be exactly how I am.
That's something that makes him different.
[soft music]
I feel like we could be very good together.
I feel like we could have a life
that we could enjoy away from the outside world,
just the two of us.
I love the way he makes me feel.
He makes me feel very secure.
- Now you are official.
- Yes. That's my man. Like, we're together.
We're in a relationship.
- Have you tried to meet up with him?
- I have, but he travels a lot for work.
He is a warehouse manager.
He has to go to different warehouses to manage them.
And then also, he has, like, four kids.
- Are the conversations you have mostly over the phone?
- Texting, sometimes calling, but not that often,
because he's usually in a situation where
he really can't talk on the phone.
- But you talk often?
Would you say you guys talk every day?
- Yeah. - Do you love him?
- I love him.
- I gotta see this guy.
Can we--can we--can I see T?
- Yeah, you can see T.
- Let's get down to biz.
- Okay, that's him.
- He's cool.
How many pictures do you have? - Just those three.
- Just those? - Okay.
Did he send those to you?
Or those are just off his profile?
- Those are the same ones that are on his profile.
- Why can't he send you a photo?
- I don't know.
- Do you ever press him about it?
- Not really, because he just does so much for me
that I don't wanna lose him by making him
feel uncomfortable.
- All right, so there is a real dynamic here,
it sounds like that the feeders often prefer
privacy and sort of anonymity.
So are you concerned at all that T might be putting off
meeting up because he doesn't feel comfortable
revealing to his family or friends
who he really is?
- I mean, that could be the reason.
But honestly, I feel like with T,
you took it to the next step where you said you loved me.
You said what you want out of a relationship.
So if you felt like you don't want to have everyone,
like--just so keep it as a secretive feederism
relationship, you didn't have to take it to the next step.
- Exactly.
Okay, so we'll do some research tomorrow.
We'll see if there's anything to find.
I mean, we really only have his phone number and some photos.
- Sometimes that's all you need.
- Okay, sounds good. I'm looking forward to it.
- All right. Got some work to do.
- We will get back to you with some results.
- Okay. Thank you.
- This is wild. - This is totally wild.
She's starving for a true physical connection.
- Yeah, something's gotta give.
- It's T just a genuine guy
who's shy about how they met?
- Or is there something nefarious going on here?
- Okay. - Thanks for the ride, babe.
- Thanks, Mom.
- Hey! - The gang's all here.
- Whoa.
All right, Cleo, you wanna show everyone how you use the boom?
- I actually think the union might have an issue with this.
- Yeah, like that.
- Nice, Cleo. - Testing, testing.
- All right, we gotta get to work, all right?
- No, you guys are gonna go to the mall
while me and Max go to work.
And then I'll see you later.
- It's gonna be super fun.
[laughter]
- For real. I gotta get to work.
- You know how much he had to pay them to do this?
- I love you.
Have a nice day.
We'll miss you, kind of.
- All right, ready to investigate?
- All right, let's go.
- This place is cute.
- Do you think this is gonna be a piece of cake?
Or is this gonna be a tough nut to crack?
- I don't know.
Before we do that, we have to do a recap.
Your favorite part of every episode.
- Well, 'cause you love doing it,
'cause you're a ham and you like--
- Ham?
[dog whines] - Hey, buddy.
Who brought the dog to the catfish party?
Hello, cute boy.
- All right, quick recap.
Zahra met T on a kink website
that matches people who want to feed someone
with people who want to be fed.
Over the course of their relationship,
it became clear that T had a girlfriend.
But she liked him because he was respectful
and interested in her.
And then a few months ago, T reveals that
he's no longer in a relationship.
So they immediately become boyfriend/girlfriend.
Zahra is excited, but he can't meet.
Things just keep getting in the way.
I think it's pretty clear that something's wrong.
- It's bananas.
- It's a lot.
We got an email here from Zahra.
"Hey, Nev and Max, here is everything I know about T.
"He's 32 years old and lives in upstate New York.
His phone number is this."
- 631 is a Long Island area code.
No one calls Long Island upstate.
- No.
"I attached the three pictures I have
"as well as the picture of his profile
on the website we met on."
Let's download these pictures.
Do you know about PimEyes?
- PimEyes?
- PimEyes is the latest.
Instead of searching the picture,
it just analyzes the face and actually searches
for that face across the internet.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
- Uh-oh, what are we gonna get?
- No hits there.
Let's just try another picture.
No hits. So no matches on that picture.
Let's see if, just by chance, we get lucky with this one.
Nothing. No hits.
- Come on. There's--you've got no other--
in five years, all you got is PimEyes?
So we've hit somewhat of a dead end here.
- All right, well, let's search the number then.
Maybe we'll get an actual name.
I mean, we don't even his last name.
It's crazy.
Ooh-- - T!
- Oh! - T!
Tarik [bleep].
Look, there's his full name.
- 42, which, honestly, it makes more sense.
I mean, if he has four kids--
- He's a little older.
- I mean, that's a big difference.
People think you're 32, but you're actually 42?
- Yeah, I'm 42.
Gross. - Ew.
- All right.
- Okay, so he lied about his age.
- That's not great.
Let's look this guy up.
Let's do Facebook.
- Tarik [bleep], New York.
- Pretty unique name.
- Mm! - Ah! Who's this guy?
- Okay, he's got kids. Rochester.
Rochester's upstate New York. - Yes.
- The Roch. - Okay, so wait a second.
So this-- - We've been there.
- This could be him. - Could be.
- Who's this? He's feeding someone.
- He's feeding somebody.
- Dinner date night, amazing food.
- Date night. - That's a recent post too.
- What does he say in this picture here?
- Our firstborn daughter, senior prom.
- Ourfirstborn daughter.
So he's speaking in the we.
When you speak in the we, you're generally not divorced.
This guy seems like a family guy.
- Maybe his whole feederism profile could be secret.
And he's using fake pictures to hide it.
It's just part of his life that no one knows about.
- He's got grown kids.
They might be a little embarrassed.
- And more importantly, maybe he is in a relationship still.
- Here's a video of him talking.
She can verify the voice. - Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah.
- I really do not feel like going in here
because I can't understand how they gon' mess up the order.
- If it's this guy, she'll recognize his voice right away.
- Right. He's got a sexy, deep voice.
- I think there's a chance it could be this guy.
He lives upstate. He's got kids.
- This is our guy.
- The other thing that we've started doing a lot
since you left is putting people's
phone numbers in Cash App.
They don't usually think about using a secret name
on their Cash App because--
- They wanna get paid to their real name.
- Yeah, so let's see if anything comes up.
631 [bleep].
- Look at that, Tarik [bleep]-- - Same full name.
- It's definitely this guy. It's gotta be.
- He's a 42-year-old family man.
He's been telling the truth--
- But concealing his identity.
- But different pictures and different age.
- And claiming to be out of a relationship.
And name, he said was T. Well, it's actually Tarik.
But this is him. - That's him. We found him.
Piece of cake. - We got our guy.
- She could be his, like, dirty little secret.
- He's definitely kept her a secret.
- What this guy is doing is wrong.
He's lying about being ten years younger.
He may, in fact, have a wife.
And he's leading this sweet young woman on.
- Not cool. - It's nuts.
- I mean, I don't think Zahra is gonna be happy.
He's older.
He's not the guy in the pictures.
- She's gonna be sad.
At least it's a beautiful, snowy day.
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
- Hello. - Hi, how's it going?
- What's up?
- How are you feeling about everything?
- I'm feeling a little nervous to see what you found.
But I'm ready.
- Okay, we'll show you what we got.
All right, so we have the photos that you sent us.
And we searched them and got nothing.
And that's good, I mean, if the pictures he sends you
are of someone that comes up that is famous,
that would be a bad thing.
But things really got interesting
when we ran T's phone number.
It came back registered to someone named Tarik [bleep].
That's not a name you've heard before, is it?
- No. - This guy is older.
- This guy is 42.
- Wow, okay.
- So then we thought, let's see if we can find out
something else about Tarik [bleep].
It's a unique name.
So we looked him up on Facebook,
and when we did that-- - We found a match.
- We found a Tarik [bleep] in Rochester.
- Upstate, which is where he says he's from.
- Right.
- He has social media.
And there are pictures of him with his kids.
- And there's a girl with food.
- Right, he posted it last week.
And it says dinner date night with Deena.
But he did say he was in a relationship.
When did that relationship end?
- A few months ago.
- And that's when you guys got more serious?
- Yeah, that's crazy.
- Let's play the video of him talking.
- Like, I really do not feel like going in here.
They always mess up the order. - Is that his voice?
- And I just--I can't--
I can't understand how they go--
- No. - No?
- That's not him. - Really?
- That's not him?
- I don't think so.
He has a heavier accent than that, more like--
- Like New York? - Like New Yorker, yeah.
- Could it be that this guy is doing, like, a different voice
on the phone with you? - I don't know.
- He could potentially, you know,
make himself sound that way.
We've seen that before.
- Yeah.
I don't know.
- We weren't sure, obviously, having not heard his voice.
But when we went to Cash App, we put in his number.
And look what comes up, Tarik [bleep], same full name again.
I mean, look, all signs point to it being Tarik.
- ♪ Do you ever wonder? ♪
- What if it were this guy?
- I mean, I don't know.
It's not--it's not really what I was expecting.
I don't know.
- Maybe he started under an alias
because he wanted to keep it hidden.
And then as he grew to have more feelings for you,
he already was stuck inside of the lie.
- I don't know.
I'm just like, who is that man?
- ♪ If only we'd found a lifeline ♪
- I do think you need to start to accept that,
at the very least, he's not the guy in the pictures.
- Yeah, I understand.
- ♪ We were always hoping to ♪
- I mean, I just feel like we've been talking for so long,
and I feel like we have such a connection
that some of it has to be real.
- ♪ Slips right through our hands ♪
- I don't know.
I don't really know what to feel, to be honest.
I don't know.
I'm just, like, kind of lost.
- ♪ Beautiful illusion ♪
- Now we can figure out what to do.
Because whether it's him or not,
we need to convince T, whoever he is,
to meet up with us
and give him an opportunity to explain himself.
- That's really what I want.
- So are you cool if I reach out on your behalf?
- Yeah, I think that'd be the best thing to do.
- All right, so should we maybe just text him?
"Hey, T, this is gonna sound crazy, but my name is Nev,
"and I'm the guy from the TV show 'Catfish.'
"I'm making an episode right now, and it involves you.
"I'd love to speak with you and give you more info.
Please get back to me ASAP, thanks."
[suspenseful music]
Okay, let's see what he says.
Tomorrow is also Valentine's Day.
Maybe that'll get him to meet you.
- [laughs] [phone dings]
- Oh, he wrote back. Wow.
He said, I'm flattered.
Who is this about?
That's concerning.
"I'm with Zahra.
"We ended up doing some research and found
"some strange inconsistencies regarding your identity,
"and we'd love to give you a chance to clear things up.
"If you care about her as much as you say you do
"and she does for you, I think now is gonna be
"your best chance to come clean about whatever it is
that's been keeping you apart."
- I feel like we talk so much and we're so close
that if someone's reaching out to you on my behalf,
like, shouldn't you jump to it?
- Wait, he just wrote back.
He said, I don't know what you found,
but I do not think that this is a good idea.
Sorry if I led her on.
- What?
- He owes you more than that.
He can't get off that easy.
- I said, I think you owe her more than that.
Is there any chance you'd be able to meet up with us?
- He's trying to back out. - Right.
- It's just like, was this just for fun?
Like, is it not-- do you not care?
- You were in a relationship with her.
- Right.
- He's not responding.
- He's caught, and he doesn't know what to say.
- I think at this point, we have to give him some time
to figure out how and what he wants to say.
So hold tough.
In the morning, we'll regroup.
And hopefully, we'll have some new information.
- Thank you.
- Just hang in there. - All right.
♪ ♪
- I feel bad for her.
He's trying to wriggle out of it, right?
We just don't know who's gonna show up tomorrow,
if anyone's gonna show up at all.
- Yeah, there's a very good chance
this guy could totally disappear.
[knock at door]
[dog barking]
Morning. - Good morning.
- Look at this room. It's a disaster.
- Yeah. You know.
- Simon, make your bed.
Do you make the bed, Simon?
I got an update. - Oh, yeah?
- Oh, yeah. - Hit me.
- So I got an urgent text from Zahra this morning.
Apparently, he texted her this morning and said,
I'm driving down.
Should I meet you at your house?
Is it the same address as the place that
I sent DoorDash or whatever?
So I suggested maybe we shouldn't meet there,
because it could be weird.
Why don't we meet at this park?
- So she is texting him back and saying, like, great,
meet me at this park instead.
- All right, he's coming? - Yeah.
I told Zahra we'd meet her downstairs,
so let's get out of here. - All right.
- She should be here.
Hey, Zahra.
Jump in the car and we'll chat quickly.
- Okay.
- Have you heard from him since you told him
to meet us at the park?
- He didn't respond back to that.
- How are you feeling?
If he's not the guy in the pictures,
would you still give him a chance?
- I mean, the way he's acting now,
it's like you don't care about me.
You obviously don't care about me whatsoever.
And it really hurts a lot because I feel like
I've given you so much of myself.
And I'm not moving past that if that's how you treat me.
Because that shows me that you don't care.
- Right.
Has he still not written back?
- So he just wrote back. - He did?
- Okay. - Oh, my God.
So he says, I'm here. - Oh.
All right, well, that's good.
Well, I'm glad he's there waiting for us.
- Yeah. - Not the other way around.
- My heart's just, like, kind of racing.
I feel nervous in my stomach too.
I feel like I just want answers to everything that's going on.
- I can imagine.
[tense music]
♪ ♪
- Let's look around. I mean--
- Okay.
♪ ♪
I don't see anybody.
- Well, there's someone down there.
I mean, there's some people sitting over there.
- Okay.
- There's someone at the end of the pier.
I mean, there's definitely some people.
- Yeah, there's people.
- My prime suspect is right there at the end of the pier.
- Possible. - Back to us.
- Do you think that's T?
- I don't know if that's him, but it certainly
looks like it could be.
- I'm ready as I'll ever be.
- All right, you wanna do--
you wanna go over there? Or should we--
- Yeah, you go first.
See if it's--see if it's actually him.
♪ ♪
- Excuse me.
What's up, man?
T? Is that you?
- Do you wanna go over there?
- Do you wanna go first?
See if it's actually him. - Okay.
[tense music]
♪ ♪
Excuse me.
What's up, man?
T, is that you?
Yeah?
Good to meet you. - [laughs]
Good to meet you too. - What's funny?
- He's shaking hands, so I guess that's him?
Doesn't look like T.
- And it's not the guy we thought it was, either.
- Well, we're obviously here with Zahra.
- Yeah.
Yeah.
- As I'm sure you know, she'll be a little surprised.
But I'm gonna give you a chance to explain yourself.
I'm gonna bring her over, and we'll talk this through.
Come on over.
- Who's this?
- T. How are you?
- Oh, my God.
- So you're T?
- Yeah, yeah.
- [groans]
- Tarik? - Just T. T's fine.
But it is Tarik. - It is.
Wait, is your last name [bleep]?
- Yeah. - Weird.
- And you are from upstate?
- Yes.
- Wow, which is wild, because we found a Facebook profile
of another guy named Tarik [bleep]
that also lives in upstate New York.
And that guy is married.
That's just a crazy coincidence?
- That is not me, at all.
Not me. - That's crazy.
- But you have been talking to Zahra this whole time,
using pictures of a younger guy?
- Yeah.
- So when I was calling you daddy, like,
you could be my daddy. Like, actually, like.
- [laughs] No. - You're, like, 50.
- Not really, but okay.
- How old are you? - I'm 40.
- 40? - Yeah.
- Okay, because we saw something that said you're 42--
- 40 plus. - 40 plus? See? See?
- But I feel like you could have said,
hey, when I jumped on this site,
I didn't wanna use my own pictures because, you know,
it's a fetish thing.
You had as close to a perfect excuse as anyone could.
- But I didn't look at it like that.
- Right. Okay.
So you've told Zahra that you're a dad.
- Yeah.
- And you take care of your kids.
- Always. - Okay.
You say that you travel for work.
- I travel for work. - Warehouses?
- Yeah. - That's for real?
- Yeah. - Were you in a relationship?
- I was. At the time, I was and whatnot.
But that's already dead and gone.
I'm with nobody right now, and we were never exclusive.
But I guess I made her feel like we were.
- Why wasn't it exclusive?
- Well, I didn't think that it was gonna go this far.
I was just up there for entertainment purposes,
didn't think that we was gonna become what we are now.
- You mean, initially, when you got on the feederism site?
- Yeah. When I--
- You weren't looking for a relationship?
- No, I was just trying to kill some time.
- So I was to kill time, basically?
So I was to kill time? - In the beginning, yes.
She caught my eye.
And one thing led to another.
So that's, you know--
- We don't know.
How about now? How do you feel about Zahra?
Do you really have feelings for her?
- I think I really do care about her.
My feelings for her are real.
- I don't think so.
I don't get it, 'cause at the end of the day,
if you really was feeling me
the way you said you was feeling me,
I don't understand why it would take this long.
You're not keeping it real with me.
And I feel like I've been so open with you.
I've told you everything that I felt.
And you have the nerve to just be like,
oh, it wasn't even exclusive.
So if it wasn't exclusive, why are you talking about,
oh, we can move in together?
We could be together.
Like, I obviously mean nothing to you.
- I get it.
You have a right to be frustrated.
- I'm not even frustrated with you.
I'm hurt because you're not even
bad looking, the crazy part.
If you came at me correct,
if you came at me on the right tip, I don't discriminate.
Like, I like every flavor. But you--
- I get it. I get it.
I get it.
- Do you wanna step out for a sec?
- Yeah.
- How are you feeling? - I don't know.
I just feel like you're being sincere now,
but are you just being sincere
because there are people with me?
Or are you being sincere because
you really feel that way?
Because he's not even ugly.
Like, I'm into the whole daddy thing too.
Depends, you just gotta let me know
which kink we're playing out.
- Are you really in a place in your life
where you could be in a real relationship with Zahra?
I mean-- - Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
We've been talking for this long.
I've been helping out for this long.
So I would like to if it presented itself.
I mean, you can't forgive certain things.
I get that.
But everything I said was real.
Everything I feel was real.
- I mean, look, I think your text messages between us
and her yesterday were pretty cold.
You were just, like, very matter of fact.
And I think it set her up to feel like,
well, this guy doesn't give a shit.
- Yeah.
- So if you do give a shit, if you have feelings,
now's your chance to, like, make sure she really knows.
- I would like to. I would like it.
- The ball's in your court right now.
You know, you got some of the big questions answered.
- Right.
- And in order to make sure that he's actually for real,
that would require you giving him a shot
to prove to you that he's for real.
And you gotta ask yourself if you're willing to do that.
- Yeah.
[somber music]
- I'm not here to say whether you
should or shouldn't be together.
It's not my place.
But if you have feelings, now's your chance
to make sure she really knows.
Why don't three of us go?
There's a little café down over here.
And then you can make a new second first impression.
- That'll work. - So we'll go.
I'll text you the spot.
And we'll see you in a few minutes.
- All right. - All right.
- I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt,
but it's just a lot of disappointment, you know?
- Right.
[tense music]
- You okay?
- Yeah.
- All right, it is cold out here.
We have a little café we can go sit in,
where he's gonna meet us.
If he's serious, I'd like to see him try to show you that
instead of just saying it. - Right.
- Okay. - All right, let's go.
- Thank you.
- Where are you at?
- I don't know.
I just kind of lost faith in him.
- That's why he's gotta prove himself now.
- All right, let's get in there and find a cozy spot.
♪ ♪
- You ready? - Yeah, I'm ready.
He better show up.
- Oh, here he comes.
Oh, boy. - Oh!
- Why, hello there.
- Wow.
Thank you.
I don't really like flowers, but thank you.
- You don't like flowers?
- No.
- It is Valentine's Day.
But I think Zahra is looking for something else.
- Yeah, you are owed an apology
for the fake profile and everything.
I do apologize.
I just let it get out of hand.
And I should have said something before.
And I know I should have, but I just didn't know how.
I do care about you.
And everything that I said was real and genuine.
So I'm the same person, except for the picture.
I mean, you know, and you can tell,
since I've been talking to you, I've been,
like, more calm and more relaxed.
I don't just go around meeting people online,
handing out my numbers.
It's serious to me.
I'm willing to try to make it work if you are.
- Just wanna clarify, are you talking
about transitioning into a more traditional relationship?
Or are you talking about continuing
the sort of feeder/feedee kink?
- No, it'd be different.
We could actually hang out and go out.
But I would love to see you in person, to be honest.
I mean, I don't expect it.
But I would love to--
I would love to see it.
[laughs]
[soft music]
I'm sorry.
- Well, it's--the ball is in Zahra's court.
How are you feeling?
It's like, sounds good, you know?
He's saying stuff that I wanna hear.
I mean, you have been there for me emotionally.
Like, you have been someone that I could talk to.
So if you really feel that way, I'm open to it.
I guess time will tell.
Baby steps, definitely baby steps.
I have to see how it goes.
- Great, let's just leave it at that.
See how it goes. One thing at a time.
- I would like that.
- Okay.
We've done our part.
Everything that happens after that is your initiative.
- I can make it happen.
- Okay.
- Good to meet you.
Thanks for showing up.
- Thank you.
- Bye.
- See you soon.
[upbeat music]
- All right.
At least it's not an unhappy ending.
- It's a start. - It's a start.
- And if he can prove that he's serious--
- He does seem nice.
I feel like I like him.
I do. I feel like I like him.
But we're gonna have to see.
- All right, well, what an episode to have come back to.
- ♪ Deliver to me ♪
♪ ♪
[computer chimes]
- Hey, what's up?
- Hey, how's it going?
- Well, I'm very curious about what transpired
after I left you and T.
- So I haven't seen him at all.
I don't know, after thinking about it,
I just wanna take a break from T because after we met,
he just seemed like he had a whole nother, like,
personality, and it just didn't really feel the same.
We texted a bit, but I kind of feel like
he was kind of trying to guilt trip me
into seeing him again.
And, you know, he had like, sent me, like,
a few hundred dollars to say he was sorry or whatever.
And I was just like, it's okay.
You don't have to send me anything anymore.
And I just wanted to keep my distance.
- Wow, okay. What about the site?
Are you still doing feederism?
- No, I kind of took a break from the site altogether.
I just really just need time to myself.
So I just wanna do me right now, so.
- You do you, okay?
- Okay, all right.
Bye. - Bye.
[computer chimes]
Hey, what's up, dude?
- Living the life, baby. Living the life.
- You know, I just got some sort of sad news.
I spoke to Zahra, and she says you guys
didn't really keep things going very long.
- I mean, like, for the first week, we were still good.
And then it just slowly just died down.
- That's a bummer.
Are you still talking to anyone through the feeder site?
- Nah, I'm just back to work, and that's about it.
- Well, bummed it didn't work out,
but, you know, still glad you guys got this cleared up.
- Yeah, learning lesson for the most part, but we good.
- All right, well, good luck with everything, dude.
- All right. I appreciate it. Thank you.
- Yeah, take care.
- I met Chantel on a streaming app.
I really don't open up to a lot of people, but her,
she gave me that feeling like it's safe.
- How did she make this profile
if it makes you verify with a picture?
- Right. - Whoa.
Wow. - Are you scared?
- This is crazy.
- She's pulling in.
[tense music]