- ♪ MTV ♪
- Mohammed met Ashley on a dating app.
- We really hit it off.
It's been a breath of fresh air.
- This is weird.
What are the chances that the picture
is some beautiful woman?
- This can't be it.
[suspenseful music]
- Where are we?
- You go first.
What the [bleep] is this place?
- What? - Oh, my God.
[dramatic musical sting]
[inquisitive music]
- This is gonna get me an Oscar.
- You trying to be friendly? I don't understand.
Something--something feels weird.
Why are you, like--
- I'm not trying to be [bleep] friendly with you.
- Wanna chat with me about our drinks?
- We're supposed to do a walk-in.
- Oh, okay. - But wait.
Oh, I need to get-- I need to put my--
Oh, [bleep]. Oh, [bleep].
Oh, I'm sorry.
I just did something.
- You spilled? [laughs]
I know, I know. I know exactly what happened.
You got your drink.
You showed it to me in the hallway. [laughs]
- What?
What do you mean?
- So that the gag spilled drink--
- What?
- Ah! [laughs]
- We don't have a show now.
That really does - look like the cup.y.
- Doesn't it? - They put the sticker on it.
That was smart. - It's perfect.
- That was funny. I appreciate the effort.
- Thank you. - All right.
Email from Mohammed in California--
"I thought we were onto something good."
"Hi, Nev and Kamie, my name is Mohammed.
"I'm a 33-year-old entrepreneur
"who lives in both Los Angeles and Atlanta.
"Five months ago, I matched with this woman
"named Ashley on a dating app.
We hit it off and started talking on WhatsApp.
- ♪ Well, I felt like somebody ♪
♪ Somebody worthwhile ♪
- "One of the most attractive things about Ashley
"is her business savvy.
She runs a trucking company..."
- ♪ It's just you and me ♪
- "Has real estate insight,
and is a great person to bounce my ideas off of.
- ♪ It's just you and me ♪
♪ It's just you and me ♪
- "We also share the same spiritual beliefs
"and have the same level of drive.
"Ashley had been living in Atlanta
"but moved to Los Angeles a little over a month ago.
"I was excited to finally meet her,
but ever since the move, she's been too busy to meet."
- ♪ All of the plans that you thought ♪
♪ Would never grow old ♪
- "The six-month mark is coming up.
"I'm frustrated, but I don't wanna cut her off
"if she's really who she says she is.
"I hope that you can help me find some answers
"so I can make the right decision.
Mohammed."
If you were talking to someone for four months...
- Mm-hmm.
- And then they moved to the city you live in...
- Mm-hmm, and they're from the city that you also live in.
- Surely... - Yeah.
- They could have met by now.
- We gotta find out more.
[line trills]
- Mohammed.
- Hey, it's Nev from "Catfish."
- And Kamie.
- Great. - Good.
It's good. We're in LA.
Are you in LA right now?
- Well, we just read your email.
Got a lot of thoughts... - Questions...
- Ideas... - Concerns.
- Right--I had a lot of questions about Atlanta and LA,
but since you're here, we might as well just meet up.
- All right, Mohammed.
- Later.
- He's excited? Careful.
Choose your words wisely. - Yeah.
All right, well, let's go.
- Whee!
[upbeat music]
- ♪ Come get free ♪
- I just hope that Mohammed doesn't have his hopes
up too high about Ashley.
Because I just feel like there's way too many
weird coincidences.
Both lived in the same place--
Los Angeles, Atlanta-- what are the odds?
- ♪ Let's get away tonight, yeah, get away tonight ♪
- Hey.
- This is it.
Okay.
Here we go.
Oh, Mohammed. - Hey.
How's it going? - Hey.
- What's up?
- How you guys doing?
- Good to see you.
- Man, you guys are awesome. Come on in.
- All right. - Thank you.
This is cute.
Oh, boy. - All right.
Okay, so, Mohammed, tell us about yourself.
- So I'm born and raised South Central, right here.
My mom, her family's from Texas.
But then my dad's dad is from Pakistan, born and raised.
My dad has his name from his father
and my name is from my father.
We're all, like, Mohammeds.
So right after high school, my father passed in 2013.
That most definitely woke me up spiritually
and kept my focus on, like, okay,
let me figure out how to make money.
Let me figure out how to get my energies more right.
And then I started traveling and jumping into real estate.
I had an Airbnb company.
I had a cleaning company.
I used to do wholesaling.
Just, you know, entrepreneurship.
- So you do most of that in Atlanta?
- In the South. - Okay.
- I've been in Texas.
I've been in Louisiana.
I recently was in Atlanta this year, top of the year.
And that's where I met Ashley.
- On a dating site. - Yeah.
- But my name, Mohammed-- I don't know, it sucks,
because when 9/11 happened, it took a toll on my life.
You know? - Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
- I actually had to pivot when trying to get a job
'cause nobody wanted to hire a Mohammed.
- We still see the effects of people's radical xenophobia
in this world. - It's sick.
- It's crazy. It's so crazy.
So I've debated changing my name plenty of times.
- How does your name affect the way people perceive you
on, like, dating profiles?
- Actually, on Tinder I go by-- I went by Justin when I was on.
- Justin? - Yeah.
- Wait, so when did you first
start using a different name on your dating profile?
- Recently. - Okay.
- Like, late last year, honestly.
- So right before you met Ashley.
- Yes.
- Well, take us back to the day that you matched.
- We matched, and then we started messaging on Tinder.
You know, I did the standard, oh, you're beautiful.
What do you do?
And then she started telling me, like,
I got a trucking business, entrepreneur.
And then that caught my interest like, whoa, okay.
It's like, wow, that's-- that's interesting.
And then, like, got her number
and started messaging her on WhatsApp.
And that's where, like, we really hit it off.
We actually relate on similar things, a lot of things--
entrepreneurship, spirituality,
and we had hours of conversations.
- Through text or did you ever--
- Talking. - Talking on the phone?
- Yeah, talking on the phone, yeah.
- For hours. - Yes.
- Does she know that your name is not Justin?
- No. [laughs]
- So she's been calling you Justin for all this time.
- Yeah. - Oh, my God.
- Yeah. It's just a name.
- Yeah, but like, let's see if she agrees with that.
But that's a cool connection, I mean,
both of you having businesses. - Exactly.
- Tell me about this trucking company.
- She has trucks.
She drives.
- That she drives? - Yeah.
She's mostly always on the road driving and getting it.
- Whenever you guys do get time,
what kind of things do you guys talk about?
- We align with a lot of things,
like eating habits, beliefs, meditation, spirituality.
She'll ask me, hey, did you meditate today?
Dang, I sure didn't.
Let me ground myself for a second.
- Mm. - Yeah, so it's deep, you know?
It's been a breath of fresh air, you know?
- Yeah.
- But isn't it weird that when you were in Atlanta,
she was in Atlanta, and you were talking to this girl
every day and like--
- Not really, because I was busy.
I worked six, seven days a week.
But, yeah, I was actually willing
to figure it out, you know?
Like, I'm willing to get straight off
and drive to the city, which is, like, an hour away--
- Yeah. Get some dinner--yeah.
- To make it happen. Yeah. - Yeah.
- But then there was always still something.
It's always an excuse.
And then April came, and she said, I'm moving to LA.
I'm like, oh, wow. Okay. Why?
- That came out of nowhere? - Yeah.
Did she, like, - hit you up about the move?
Like, where-- - No.
- What's the best area I should move to?
- Not at all.
- What about FaceTime or video calls or--
- I have tried to do that, as well,
and she's like, I'm busy right now.
You know, I understand. I empathize.
So I, like, wipe it away.
But after six months, it's like, what am I investing into?
- So has she sent you photos? Does she have Instagram?
- No, we don't have Instagram.
We don't have social media, but she sent me some photos.
- Well, let's see her. I'm curious.
- I know. I wanna see.
- She sent me a couple photos.
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
- What?
Who is it?
- You don't know-- you don't know who this is?
- Who is it?
Show me!
- What's going on?
Wait. What am I missing?
- I mean, I guess if you're not on social media...
- Uh-oh. Hold up. Wait a minute.
- You might not know.
But this is, like, a super famous
TikTok girl named Charli-- - It's Charli D'Amelio.
- Yeah. - Charli D'Amelio.
- Are you serious?
- She's, like, got the most followers on the internet.
- What? I've never been on TikTok.
I don't know, maybe it's my age, but--
- All right, so we know that--
- Forget the fact that you lied and said your name was Justin.
- It's crazy that she would use pictures of someone
that is so well-known, I mean,
and that you didn't know who that was.
- Yeah, I really don't be on TikTok.
Oh, my goodness.
- Wow. - That's crazy.
- Well, sorry to break it to you.
- [sighs]
- That was the quickest investigation we've ever done.
- Sheesh. That's crazy.
- You hadn't shown pictures of Ashley to anyone else?
- Not really.
I don't--I mean, I'm really, like, to myself.
[somber music]
♪ ♪
- How does she sound on the phone?
- She sounds proper, sophisticated.
- Does her voice match those pictures?
Like, does she sound like a younger white girl?
- Yeah.
But she sounds a little urban. - Right.
- So I thought she had like, you know, reverse Oreo.
I thought she had more of, like, a rough--
- She get down? - Yeah, you feel me?
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah.
Wow.
- So, obviously, you're now--
we all now know that whoever you're talking to
is not the girl in the pictures.
- Okay, so now I'm thinking of, like, intentions.
What were your intentions of using these pictures
on your Tinder profile? - Right.
- She hasn't actually tried to get any kind of money from me
or, you know-- - Okay.
- So-- - Don't get me wrong.
There are lots of people who don't know who Charli is.
I don't want you to feel like you're, like,
totally out of the loop. - Yeah.
- Honestly, I feel like it, but--
I feel like it, but it's okay.
- Honestly, most guys over 30, 35...
- No, probably not.
- Probably don't know who that is.
- Probably not. Probably not. - Right.
- But more importantly, like, that's not the picture
you would choose if you were actually
trying to, like, catfish guys.
Then what were her intentions? - Mm-hmm.
- Yeah, man.
It most definitely has me thinking.
- So, look, obviously, this story just took a turn.
- Yeah, that's crazy.
- But it gets us where we need to go that much faster.
Maybe we'll get lucky and we'll find something
with a phone number. You better meditate.
We'll see if we can find anything.
- Yeah.
I'm gonna pray on it, for sure.
Thank you guys so much.
I really do appreciate you guys.
Man. - Of course.
Good to meet you.
- Of course. - We will see you tomorrow.
- Oh, boy. - Not Charli D'Amelio.
- Oh, my God.
I mean, he didn't know who she is.
- I mean, it's either, like, such a wild, audacious lie...
- Right.
- Or she genuinely was on this app using pictures
of Charli D'Amelio thinking that
everyone who saw it was going to immediately be like,
this is not who you are. - Right.
- This is different.
- Yeah.
- Is it gonna be different in a good way
or is it gonna be different in a disastrous way?
- Either way, the timeline on their relationship
is tick-tocking down for sure.
- I wore my good jeans today.
- No rips?
- Well, no, for my butt. - Let's see.
- Not for you, for the camera.
[upbeat music]
- Aw, yeah.
Recap. All right, what do we got?
I feel like we were-- this is gonna be easy.
- This is gonna be the fastest investigation.
- There's almost nothing to do. - We already did. it.
- All right, so Mohammed, AKA Justin,
met Ashley on Tinder while working in Atlanta.
They really clicked. They vibed.
They have a lot in common.
Mohammed comes back to LA.
She then kind of out of nowhere is like, hey, by the way,
I just moved to Los Angeles.
So he gets excited and thinks, great, let's meet up.
I'm available.
I mean, I'm busy, but, like, I'll make time for you.
"Oh, I'm busy. Oh, I can't.
Oh, this, oh, that, oh," whatever--not happening.
- [mimics snoring]
- Cut to him showing us pictures of Ashley, and...
- It being Charli D'Amelio... - Yeah.
- Internet sensation.
Bottom line is, Mohammed's talking to someone.
He lied to her about his name,
but we now know that she's not the girl in the pictures.
- I feel like there's something--
there could be something there.
I'm hoping that this person is not just, like,
completely full of [bleep].
- So here's an email from Mohammed.
"Hey, Nev and Kamie.
"I wanted to thank you for coming to help.
"Here's the information I have.
"Her name is Ashley Lewis.
She claims to run a trucking business."
Her phone number.
"She lived in Atlanta for the first few months we talked
but now lives somewhere in LA."
Okay, well, I guess it's really just
the phone number we should start with, right?
[suspenseful music]
Phone search.
♪ ♪
Misty Fixx?
- What?
- Misty Fixx, 39, Palm Beach.
Wow. Who's Misty Fixx?
- That's the right number?
- I mean, yeah.
That sounds like a name that would pop up.
- Misty Fixx is not a name.
Oh, it is a name. - It is a name.
She lives in Georgia. - Wow.
- [bleep] Technical College.
Misty Fixx.
- I think this is a suspect.
She lives in Georgia.
Her name came up when we searched the number.
She's a girl who I can see liking Charli D'Amelio.
Could she be a truck driver?
She's got the plaid.
- Could be.
- All right, let's run the number again just to see
if it shows up anywhere else.
♪ ♪
Atlanta.
- Wait, is that the number?
- Yeah.
- Black-owned businesses.
- Huh. - Royal World Transport.
And that's her number, right?
- Oh, my-- - Is that it?
- Yes.
Wow.
It's a logistics company based in Atlanta.
So maybe the girl he's talking to
really does have a delivery trucking company.
- Well, let's Google it.
- Royal World Transport?
- Atlanta.
- Royal World Transport. Yeah.
Royal World Transport, LLC.
Atlanta, Georgia. There's the phone number.
- Does it have a name? Does it have a name?
- There is an address.
- What's this? - Like, I wonder if there's a name.
Simone Harris.
Wait.
- Simone Harris is the COO? - An entrepreneur.
- No mention of Misty Fixx.
- Royal World Transport.
- What?
"Simone Harris is an American music manager,
"real estate investor, and entrepreneur
from Washington, D.C."
- I mean, this sounds like her, right?
- She's the co-owner of Royal World Transport.
- Huh.
- Co-owner.
- What are the chances that--that the picture
is some beautiful woman?
- Right. This can't be it.
This is somebody else catfishing.
- I don't know.
- Is there a website for Royal World Transport?
- I don't--I don't see one.
There's an Instagram.
Simone Harris--
both: Royal World Transport.
- This is weird.
It's a private account.
I mean, this person sounds an awful lot like Ashley.
But wouldn't make any sense if this was Ashley,
because this woman seems confident and beautiful.
So why wouldn't she just be herself?
Or it said there was a co-owner--
maybe they share access to the work phone?
We should message this person,
'cause it could be Ashley's business partner.
Right?
- Or it's Ashley. - Or it's Ashley.
But if it's not her, and Simone is real and is a co-owner
of this company, then she should very easily
be able to tell us, oh, yeah, my business partner is Ashley.
Oh, yeah, that's their phone number.
Let's send her a message.
TV show "Catfish."
"I'm trying to get in touch with you
"about your biz partner, Ashley.
"Hoping you can help us clear up a couple small things.
Give me a call."
- And so when she messages back and says,
I don't have a business partner...
- Right, well then... - Named Ashley.
- We'll ask if she knows a Misty Fixx or if anyone else
has access to her phone.
But it feels weird.
- It definitely feels weird.
- We gotta show all this to Mohammed.
- What is he gonna think?
- I mean, I don't wanna get his hopes up
that it's some beautiful woman.
But every single thing Ashley has told Mohammed
matches this person's life, Simone Harris,
about who she is and what she does,
and is even, I think, arguably better looking.
If I were him, I would be very, very excited.
- Don't get that boy's hopes up.
We don't know what this is gonna be.
- Here's where I keep going.
I was like, okay, so let's just for a moment
consider that it's no somehow not Simone,
and it's some other unknown person like Misty Fixx.
How then is that person texting him
and speaking to him on a phone number
that seems very much tied to Simone?
- Right. - Like--
- But it says she has a co-founder for the business.
- Right. - Could that be Misty?
Misty could be somebody on her team.
- Hopefully, Simone gets back to us.
'Cause if it's not her, she would have to know who it is.
- Mm-hmm.
- All right, here we are.
[knock at door]
- Peeky-hole. Hi.
- What's going on? - What's up?
- Hello, hello. - We're bringing the energy, bringing the vibes.
- Yes. I'm trying. - Good to see you.
- Yes.
All right.
- Let's all sit down.
- Let's get ready for this.
- How are you feeling alignment-wise today?
- A lot of meditating, just trying to, you know,
manifest a positive outcome.
But, yeah, I'm super anxious.
It's most definitely an uneasy feeling.
- Yeah.
- But, you know, hopefully you guys have some good news.
- So pretty much all we really had was the phone number.
On this website it came back as someone, Misty Fixx...
- Hmm.
- Whose name is associated with the phone number.
- Does that sound familiar?
- Nah, that's unfamiliar.
- Well, we did a Facebook search,
and we found a woman that matches that name.
She's 39 and living in Georgia.
Does she look familiar to you at all?
- Nah.
- So we couldn't find much on Misty, but check this out.
Incredibly, when we Googled that phone number,
the first thing that comes up is a listing for an Atlanta
Black business directory...
- Okay.
- For Royal World Transport.
- Now, I don't know if-- she may have mentioned
the name of her business. - No, but--
- She may not have, but-- - It's a trucking company.
- With a picture of trucks on it for the Southeast.
- Perfect. Okay.
- So we go and sort of look into that.
- [exhales sharply] Okay. - [laughs]
- Right. That was-- - One less lie.
- Well, yeah, but honestly,
I've been making this show for ten years.
I don't think I've ever Googled someone's phone number
and had it connected to a business
that matches the thing that the person says they do.
- Perfect.
- When we went to that, we see that
it's an Atlanta-based company that handles logistics,
software to ensure clients can rely
on on-time deliveries, like, exactly kind of what
she seemed to tell you she does, right?
But, again, here's the phone number.
There's an address.
It seems like a real thing.
And look at this.
It says the owner of this company
is someone named Simone Harris.
Looks like a beautiful woman.
It says she's the COO.
- What?
She looks familiar.
- She looks familiar?
- Really? - Wait, really?
- Wait a minute.
We used to do some business together.
[suspenseful music]
Nev, I know her.
- What? - Yeah.
That's crazy.
- When was the last time you've seen her?
- I started going back and forth to Atlanta in 2018.
- Okay. - 2019.
And when I first got out there,
I was pretty much doing cleaning gigs,
'cause I had a cleaning company before I moved.
- Right. - Yeah.
- And I think I cleaned her Airbnbs, if I'm not mistaken.
- Hmm.
- And was there ever a vibe?
- I mean, kind of, but not really.
Like, and she had a dude she was dealing with at the time.
- But you agree she's beautiful.
- Yeah, she's all right. I mean, you know.
- That's crazy. - I mean, this is--
I can't believe you know this person.
- But I remember what Simone sounds like.
I don't think that I was talking to Simone.
- Oh, right.
'Cause you've talked to her on the phone.
- Yeah. - But also, why would Simone
have a profile on Tinder with that picture,
and after meeting you, you think she'd remember you?
Like, you guys-- she should remember you, right?
- Right? - Why wouldn't she--
- Why would she even-- yeah, why would she--
- You think she was trying to find him?
- No. - But she wouldn't have known--
- I think--I think, now that you say that she had
a boyfriend at the time, maybe she went on Tinder
to find him on something, you know, try to like,
see what he's up to. - Right, found you.
- So she made a page that's, like, wildly obvious
that she's fake so people don't try to match with her maybe.
- You're 100% you know who this is?
You definitely worked with her? - Yeah.
Hold up. - Relax. Okay.
- Wait a minute. - So look, here's--
- But it doesn't sound--
I'm telling you, I would know her.
- But the fact that he knows her--come on.
- That's something-- - It's gotta be her.
- So wait. So wait a minute. - It's her.
- No. - It's her.
- I have not been talking to Simone.
- Well, who the [bleep] else
you think you're talking to then?
- I don't know. - [laughs]
- Okay. - I mean, I would know, right?
- Let's, just for a moment, assume that it's not Simone.
That would mean that someone else is working with her,
because their phone number is listed as part of a business
that Simone is the owner of.
And Ashley tells you that she runs a trucking business
and she seems to know about that, right?
She also seems to know about all the things
that Simone does and knows about.
So if it's not her, it's someone a lot like her
who works with her.
Now, could that be this Misty person?
Her number also matched up.
Has she ever talked about partners or other people
that she started the business with?
- Mm-mm.
I know I haven't been talking to Simone.
It just sounds--she-- it's not the same person.
- But you said yesterday that the voice
that you hear on the phone sounds very--
it sounds like a white girl. - Yeah.
- So it could be Misty.
But if it is Simone, maybe she's using
her customer service voice. - Do the white girl.
Do the white girl voice.
- A customer service voice is, like,
really easy to use if you wanted to.
You could just be like that. - That's crazy.
- Yeah, I believe-- - I know, it's weird.
It's gotta be Simone.
It's gotta be her. - Yeah.
But, like, it's not her, though.
- But, like, it's not her, though.
- Look, we can't say with any certainty,
but you may have accidentally matched with someone
you already know... - So crazy.
- And that, strangely, she was weirdly lying to you.
You were sort of lying to her.
But, like, tell me there isn't some potential here.
- It's a maybe.
It's a maybe. Because I wanna--
- 'Cause you're not gonna-- you could come on this show
1,000 more times... - Yeah.
- And you're never gonna see a picture
of a girl this good looking.
- I'd say she does look good, but we have to get over
this whole lying thing.
Like, this is, like-- - Well, she's--right.
I mean, you lied to her about your name.
- Right. I lied too. Right? - Yeah.
But she has a lot of explaining to do.
- Yeah. A lot, you know, if it is her.
- Right. It's gotta be her.
- It's her. - Wow.
So many thoughts going through my head.
You knew I was lying about my name.
Why didn't you come out and call me out for lying?
What is, like, your intention?
And then if you do like me, right, why not just say it?
- Maybe she genuinely didn't think that
you would be attracted to her.
- I don't know, it's weird, 'cause I feel like she just--
like, when we did meet and know each other,
it's like, she's straight friend zoned me, you know?
I think I shot a shot or two.
But it was like, it didn't get anywhere,
so I stopped shooting, you know?
But, yeah, this is crazy, though.
- So do we--
I mean, we sent that Instagram message,
but let's just send her a text.
- Yeah. - "Hey, Simone.
I'd love to speak with you"--
- Speak with you about your friendship with Justin.
- All right, sent.
[exhales sharply] Oh, my God.
- Yeah, this is crazy.
So why would she move to LA?
Did she move to LA?
- Well, let's just leave it alone.
Let's give her some time.
And if she is in LA, then great.
We'll plan on trying to meet up with her tomorrow.
And if she isn't or if she doesn't respond,
then we'll have to kind of figure out another strategy.
- All right.
- Crazy.
- Yeah. - All righty.
- We'll talk to you soon. - I appreciate it. Yeah.
- Tomorrow. - See you soon.
- Well...
- Not in a million years would I have ever guessed
not just that it was someone he had met
or crossed paths with, but, like, someone that
he knows, did business with... - Mm-hmm.
- And even, like, tried to sleep with.
- But now I do wonder, like, was she actually into him
and curious and that's why she swiped,
or was this all a game to her?
- Look, I don't know what's going on here.
But this is either a fairy-tale ending
or it's gonna be a huge disaster.
[suspenseful music]
I have not heard anything from Ashley, Simone,
so let's call the old cohost and see what she thinks.
[line trills]
Kamie?
I haven't heard anything back from Ashley, Simone.
- I mean, I don't know.
But I think we should meet up, obviously talk to Mohammed,
and we'll come up with some kind of a plan.
- All right. I'll see you in a little bit.
- Bye.
Yo, what's up?
- Good afternoon. What's happening?
- Let's called Mohammed, see if he's heard anything.
- Don't you think he would have called us?
- I don't know. [line trills]
- Yo. What's up?
- Any news on your end?
- Okay, okay, we haven't heard anything either.
All right, I'm gonna just try
getting in touch with her again.
And then, either way, I'll just drive over to your place
'cause we're not too far, and we will regroup.
- All right. Okay, bye.
- Bye.
- "Hello again.
"I'm checking in to see
if you are available to meet."
Oh! - What?
- She just texted me as I was texting her.
- Why didn't it-- it didn't even chime.
What does it say? - My sound is off.
It says, "Hey, I'm assuming this is Nev.
What's up?"
What do you mean, what's up?
- You know what's up.
- "I have a lot of concerns.
"I don't know if this is a good idea.
I would be nervous to meet."
[suspenseful music]
"Mohammed already has a pretty good idea of what's going on,
"and he's being pretty chill about it,
"but we wanna let you tell us the whole story
before we jump to any conclusions."
Well, let's get over there.
We've actually got an update.
♪ ♪
[phone chimes] Oh, what'd she say?
- "I guess if you guys wanna do this,
"my friend has a coffee shop in Inglewood.
There's a quiet space there for us."
- That's crazy, 'cause isn't that, like,
really close to where he lives? - Yes.
[gasps] You said "Mohammed."
- Oh, [bleep].
What? Wait, she knows.
- But she didn't say it. She knows.
- She didn't say anything. - She didn't say anything.
- It's gotta be her. - It's gotta be her.
- Because otherwise she would be like, what?
- Yeah, who's Mohammed? - Right.
- I'm saying, "We would love to meet you there.
We can be there by 2:00. Just send the address."
Yikes.
Well-- - Well--
- Band-Aid's ripped off.
Now we've got an update.
- Hello, hello. - Hello.
- How's it going?
- We have news, and Nev has a confession.
- Uh-oh. - Okay.
So right after we called you, I was texting her.
And I kind of screwed up.
I said "Mohammed already has
a pretty good idea of what's going on."
I wasn't thinking.
I--I forgot you told her your name was Justin.
And then she wrote back,
"I guess if you guys wanna do this,
my friend has a coffee shop in Inglewood."
- Okay.
- So she didn't even mention Mohammed.
- The name, yeah.
- Like, it didn't even faze her, which made us realize
even though we had screwed up that, like, she must already
know your name is Mohammed. The point is--
- She's willing to meet.
- It's like, 15 minutes from here.
- Let's go. I'm ready.
- Let's go. - Let's get it.
- How did you wake up feeling today about everything?
- Actually anxious.
Because you never really know, you know, until you know, so.
- All right. We are getting very close.
♪ ♪
- All right.
- Okay. - All right, let's do it.
- Let's check this out, see what happens.
Where are we?
Hi. - Hi.
She's actually waiting for you in the back.
- Oh, okay.
Thanks. - Okay.
- Hi.
- You go first. - Well, I don't--
- You go second.
- What the [bleep] is this place?
What? - Oh, my God.
- Whoa.
[suspenseful music]
- Hi. - Hi.
She's actually waiting for you in the back.
- Oh, okay.
Thanks. - Okay.
- Hi.
- You go first. - Well, I don't--
- You go second.
- What the [bleep] is this place?
- What? - Oh, my God.
- Whoa. - [gasps]
- Hi. - Hi.
- What's up? - What's up?
- Nice to meet you. - Simone.
- Nev. Pleasure.
- Hi. - Kamie.
- Simone. Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you, Simone.
- Simone. - Here's Justin.
- Hey. - You know Justin/Mohammed.
- What's going on? Long time.
- So what's up? - Okay. What you doing here?
- I've been Ashley.
- For real?
I'm not blind, but why were you lying to me?
Like--
- I mean, it's not really so much lying as just
I was going through, like, a hard time.
I just got out of a relationship, and I just--
- You most definitely lied.
There was a whole nother picture
of a whole nother woman named Ashley
that I've been talking to.
That's crazy. - Yeah.
[sighs] I mean, I just--
like I said, I was just getting out of a relationship
and got on Tinder,
and I was just looking to start meeting people,
and I just so happened to come across you and we connected.
And, you know, I kind of missed,
like, our old, you know, business-ship that we had.
And so...
- Wow. This is a lot.
Like, I just don't understand why lie.
- So you made the Tinder profile in Atlanta,
where you were living at the time.
- Yes.
- I'd love to hear why you didn't just make
a Tinder profile of yourself and instead decided to use
pictures of Charli D'Amelio.
- The reason I didn't make the Tinder profile
as myself is because, like, my ex-boyfriend--
I didn't want people like his friends to know who I was
going back and telling him.
- Okay, so you made the Tinder profile
to check in on your now ex-boyfriend.
- Right.
- But, obviously, you were seeing
and swiping with other people. - Right.
- You then come across Justin...
- Yeah.
- And I assume immediately recognized him.
You knew who he was right away--
- Right away, yeah.
- And, obviously, that his name is not Justin.
- Yeah.
- And did that seem strange to you
that he was on there as Justin? - No.
- Okay, so that didn't really faze you.
- Yeah, that didn't really faze me at all.
- Okay, so you must have been shocked
when you saw him and matched with him.
- Matching with him wasn't surprising
'cause I matched with people that I knew
in Atlanta all the time.
- Wait a minute, but you matched with me,
so did you like me?
- No.
I just, like, felt that we could do good business.
- That doesn't really make sense to me.
You guys shared a lot more than business talk.
Was it that you were excited to be back in touch with him
as a potential business partner,
or were you excited because you were connecting
with him emotionally,
potentially as a romantic partner?
- No, it was more so business.
- And is that all that it is?
- Yeah, it's nothing more.
- I don't understand how catfishing someone
would rekindle a business relationship.
It just feels like there might be something more.
- Are you attracted to Mohammed?
- Why does that matter?
- Well, I mean, if you're not, that would be an easy answer.
If he's not your type, he's not your type.
You know, like-- - Yeah.
- But the thing is, like, you don't really know me.
You was talking to Ashley.
- Huh.
- But what's the difference between Ashley and Simone?
- I mean, Ashley is, like, my alter ego.
Like, when I go out, that's the name I give to guys, Ashley.
- Did Ashley kind of have feelings for him?
Was there a vibe between Ashley and Justin?
- Yeah, there was.
- Okay. - Yeah.
- So he's not wrong to have felt like
there was something there.
- No, he's not wrong. - Okay.
When you were talking to him on the phone as Ashley,
were you using your regular voice?
- No, I was changing my voice so he wouldn't know that,
'cause I feel like you would have known my voice.
- That's a lot to try to keep up with somebody
that you don't like as Simone, at least.
- Why did you move to LA?
Why'd you move? Is it really for business?
- Yes. - Okay.
- Yeah.
And, you know, I wanted to get closer to you
and then, you know, maybe start up our business stuff again.
- And would that be as Ashley or Simone?
- This is actually very awkward.
Do you mind if we sit down? I wanna just, like--
- Oh.
- I'm starting to get a little anxious.
- Sure. Let's have a seat.
- I guess I'm still just trying to figure out
if there's attraction or not, you know?
- I mean, 'cause it's giving like
you want me to just be like... - It's not.
- I like you or-- - Nah.
- That's the energy that I keep getting.
- Basically, I think he wants to know
if the past five or six months has meant anything.
Like, has it been for anything or has it just been a charade?
- It was definitely genuine, like, Ashley and you.
That--that was definitely genuine.
But Simone and you, that's different.
- What's different between the two?
- Ashley's my alter ego. - Okay.
Can you give me more details?
- I kind of got a question for you.
How do you think you building with somebody
who you've never even saw before?
Like, I don't get that part.
- I thought there was a mental connect--
- But you never saw the person, so it's like--'s a connection.
- It sounds a little crazy, right?
- Yeah.
- So does pretending to be somebody else
on the phone with him for hours.
- This is what I'm talking about.
Like, take real accountability.
- I did take accountability, but, like--
- You can't say but.
You like, say, "Sorry, but."
That "but" cancels out what you say before it.
And it's like, bro, take accountability
and be real about it.
- I apologize and I take accountability.
But what I'm saying is, a part of me feels bad
and a part of me doesn't feel bad.
Because it's like, you--
how do you, like, fall for something that you never--
- I'm gonna step out.
- You guys continue to have that conversation.
- Why are you getting away and walking away...
- I'm gonna grab some tea.
- When you can have a conversation
like two grown people?
Like, you, like-- - Okay.
Y'all have fun. - I'm always the one to take--
- I'll be out here. Talk to y'all later.
- Ugh. - Crazy.
- I'm gonna step out. - Just sit here--
- You guys continue to have that conversation.
- Why are you getting away and walking away...
- I'm gonna grab some tea.
- When you can have a conversation
like two grown people?
Like, you, like-- - Okay. Y'all have fun.
- I'm always the one to take it--
- I'll be out here. Talk to y'all later.
- Ugh. - Crazy.
- I'm gonna go talk to him.
[somber music]
Look, after this, you don't have to talk to her again.
And maybe you will, maybe you won't.
- I just need to see-- at the end of the day,
like, stop making excuses up front.
Take accountability so we can get to the next step
of saying, how do we prevent this from happening
versus you often pointing the finger and blaming.
- Yes. - Like, I gotta see growth.
- Something that I have learned recently from somebody
that's very wise in my life-- he talked to me about the fact
that, as women, a lot of times, we wanna play baseball
in every conversation.
So the man throws an idea at you,
and you hit it out of the park. - Swing the bat, yeah.
- And you're like, well, what about you.
Like, you never take accountability.
Well, you never take accountability.
- Yeah. - You're always doing this.
Well, you're always doing this.
- Right.
- Where does the conversation go to after that?
'Cause nobody ends up hearing anything at that point.
- Right, right.
I mean, I could see where he's coming from.
Like, even though I apologized,
but he still feel like I'm not taking accountability
for his emotions, his feelings.
I'm just still gonna feel the way I feel, though.
That's just-- - That's your perspective.
- Yeah. - He has his, though.
- Yeah. - And both can be true.
I don't know if he's gonna come back, though.
- Keep an open mind in case she has something more to say.
- Are you feeling better? - Yeah.
I just--I guess I was getting a little hangry.
- Yeah. - Or thirsty.
- Well?
- I do wanna start by apologizing
for walking out like that.
- Thank you. I appreciate that.
- Of course.
- And I apologize for, you know,
kind of invalidating your emotions and your feelings.
Because you have every right to feel upset
and be angry about me, you know,
being somebody that I'm not.
So my apologies to you.
- Apology accepted.
- Look at that.
- You know, your paths have crossed now a few times
and they may cross again.
Because I know both of you do care a lot
about your spirituality and the energies
that you put out and receive.
I didn't want that to be the last...
- Yeah.
- Potentially the last time you guys see each other
or talk to each other. - Yeah.
- Moving forward, where are we at?
Are we still angry or are we forgiving?
What if we see each other again?
- I'm good. I'm a Pisces.
I go with the flow, right? - Okay.
- I would love to, you know, connect with you on business,
but I'm definitely in a space in my life
where I'm just letting things flow.
Like, you know, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be.
If it's not, it's not. I'm okay to just walk away.
- Okay, same here.
Follow the universe.
- Yep. That's all you can do.
- ♪ Live and let live, let 'em figure it out ♪
- Okay. - Okay.
Well, this was a wild ride.
Well, welcome to Los Angeles.
- Thank you.
- ♪ Don't talk if you're not gonna say much ♪
- Thank you for meeting us.
And I'm curious to see what
the future holds for both of you in whatever way you end up.
- [chuckles]
- ♪ Don't talk if you won't make it worth it ♪
- All right. - Lovely to meet you.
- Likewise. Thank you.
- Good to meet you. - Thank you.
- Bye, Simone. - Bye.
- Thank you.
- All right, man, we got through it.
- You made it.
- ♪ Did you get far before you made the surface ♪
[computer dings] - What's up?
- Hey. - Mohammed.
- Hey.
- How you been since we all filmed?
- I've been feeling good, you know?
The whole situation led me to do
a lot of reflecting on myself.
- What about Simone? Have you heard from her?
- We talked once, and it didn't get anywhere.
I mean, she's nice on the eyes and all,
but on the brain, it just--
it's so much weight and pressure.
- You guys aren't compatible at all.
- Yeah.
It just takes growth to recognize who I am
and what I'm capable of and what I deserve, you know?
- Mm-hmm.
- We wish you... - Love and light.
- Peace and blessings.
- I love it. Most definitely.
And appreciate you guys for helping me out.
That's for real. - Of course. Good luck.
- All right. Later, Mohammed. - All right, you guys.
Have a good day, all right? Bye.
[computer dings]
- Hey, guys.
- Hey.
- Simone, wow.
- You look so fresh.
- I'm picking up very different energies
right now from you. - Thank you.
[chuckles]
- How's life?
- Life's good.
Things didn't work out so well.
It is what it is.
- Are you upset because you hoped for a different outcome?
- Yeah, I was hoping that we could be closer, you know,
build a friendship.
But now it's like, there's nothing at this point.
- Do you miss him as Simone or as Ashley?
- I would say as Simone.
- You know, we just spoke to Mohammed and, yeah,
he moved on. - Yeah.
- But if and when you guys are meant
to be in each other's lives, it'll happen.
But maybe you're best off just sort of doing your own thing.
- Absolutely.
That's--that's kind of, you know, the energy
that I'm getting as well.
- I wish you the best of luck in LA.
- Thank you so much.
- Later, Simone. - Thank you. Bye.