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I felt, like, an instant
connection, like it had been
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someone I've been talking to
for, like, years.
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- What is she hiding?
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What is this big lie that
she's so afraid to tell him?
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[phone chimes]
both: Oh.
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- Wow, she just sent a picture.
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It's a picture of her.
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"Nev and Kamie, I'm real."
- Oh, my God.
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[doorbell rings]
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[suspenseful music]
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Ooh!
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- Hi.
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- Hello.
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[dramatic musical sting]
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- All right.
- Everyone was sick.
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- On the last episode,
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someone had a cold or whatever.
- We were compromised.
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- And it just tore through
the crew.
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- But we're on the mend.
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- Neither cold nor flu
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nor cough nor snot...
- Mm-hmm.
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- Shall keep these
catfish catchers
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from their appointed rounds.
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- Let's do it.
[both clap]
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- Woo!
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We got an email here.
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"Dear Nev and Kamie,
my name is William.
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"I'm a roofing contractor
living in Jonesboro, Arkansas.
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"I've been talking to
this girl named Carmella
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"for about three months now.
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She lives about two hours
from me in Little Rock."
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- ♪ So you want me
to come too ♪
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- "We met on Facebook Dating.
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"And then we exchanged phone
numbers and we started texting,
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and then calling every day."
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- ♪ What I need is for you
to come closer to me ♪
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♪ Can you give me
some more clarity ♪
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- "I'm constantly laughing
and in a good mood
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when we're talking."
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This is what I felt like
when I met Laura.
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- Aww.
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- "She makes me feel confident
about myself,
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"not just my appearance,
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"but even if I'm having trouble
at work or in life.
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"Even though we have yet to
meet, our feelings have grown
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"stronger and stronger
for each other.
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"However, she says that
because of past relationships,
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"she's scared to meet
in person.
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"Any time I try to FaceTime,
she always has an excuse.
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If I bring it up too much,
she can get upset."
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- ♪ Can you tell me
how you feel ♪
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♪ 'Cause I don't know
how you feel ♪
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- "So I've tried to be patient
and wait,
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"but at this point
it's been three months.
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"I'm writing you to ask
for your help to meet her.
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"I feel like with
a third party there
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"she'll feel more safe
meeting me.
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"I just want to show her
how much I care about her
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and finally meet her.
William."
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All right. Well, sounds like
we are needed.
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See that?
It's the cat signal.
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The catfish logo is in the sky.
- Yes.
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- Let's call him up.
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[line trilling]
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- Hello, William.
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This is Nev and Kamie.
- Hey, William.
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- How are things in Jonesboro?
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- So OK, so Carmella,
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would you say that
like you guys are
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fully dating at this point?
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- Mm.
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- Right.
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- Yeah.
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- Should we meet in Jonesboro
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or should we meet in
Little Rock?
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Just--she says
she's in Little Rock, right?
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- All right, great.
So we'll fly to Little Rock.
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And we'll figure out
a place to meet.
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And we'll see you soon.
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- See you soon, William.
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- He doesn't think that
there's anything fishy
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about this relationship
but he called us?
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- Yeah.
- It's a bad sign. Red flag.
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- Look, the question here is,
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does Carmella want
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William to put a roof over
her head
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or is William living under
a Little Rock?
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- Let's go, please.
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- ♪ I'm running ♪
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♪ I don't know why ♪
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- So here we are,
Little Rock, Arkansas.
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We're meeting William...
- Mm-hmm.
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- Who lives a couple hours
outside of Little Rock.
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- Yes.
- But has agreed
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to meet us in town, here,
at his friend's house.
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For three months,
he's been talking to
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this girl, Carmella.
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But Carmella claims to have had
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bad experiences
in the past with men,
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which has kept her from
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making the time or effort
to come see William.
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- I'm not buying it.
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- Which, yeah,
doesn't sound very convincing.
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- ♪ And don't look back ♪
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- Well, we made it.
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- ♪ Don't look back ♪
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♪ ♪
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- Oop. William.
- Hello, hello.
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- What's up, man?
- Wow. What's up, man?
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- How are you?
- Good.
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- Hi, William.
- Hello.
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- Y'all, go ahead and come in.
- Still raining.
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- Get out of that rain, ma'am.
- Thank you.
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[grunts]
- Oh.
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- I just wanted to say
I appreciate your outfit.
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I like that
you wore a pink shirt,
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you got your diamonds.
- For sure.
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I'm a little bit different
than your--
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your average country boy,
for sure.
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- Yeah. All right, so look.
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Let's talk about Carmella.
- Yes.
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- Tell us the whole...story.
- The whole story.
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So about three months ago,
we matched on Facebook Dating.
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I actually remember seeing
her picture and thinking,
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"dang, she's bad."
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And I thought,
she'll never match with me.
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But no, I'm gonna go ahead
and swipe right.
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And then like the next day,
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she had swiped right too
and we matched.
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And I was like,
OK, well you know,
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I'm gonna message her now.
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So then I went ahead
and messaged her,
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"hey, how are you?"
Something like that.
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She had a Snapchat.
So I added her on Snap.
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We talked on there
for about a month.
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She sent me pictures.
You know, of course,
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I still thought
she was beautiful.
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So I asked her out.
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She told me,
"I'm just not really ready
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"for something like that.
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Give me a couple of weeks
and maybe I will be."
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And I said, OK.
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And then as we were talking,
she kind of--
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telling me how she was
feeling depressed and stuff.
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It just kind of hurt my heart
'cause I've--
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I've been there before.
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Like, I went through depression
in my life
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so, like I understand.
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It's always good to have
someone to talk to.
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So I was like,
"Hey, what's your number?
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We should call sometime."
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'Cause I was like, you know,
maybe she ain't ready to
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go out on a date, but maybe
she'll be cool with talking.
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And she said, "Yeah, for sure."
So she sent me her number.
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And we immediately
called each other.
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And that night,
I called her about 10:00 p.m.
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And we stayed on the phone
till about 5:00 a.m.
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- Wow.
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- Maybe within like
five minutes,
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I felt like an instant
connection, like it had been
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someone I've been talking to
for, like, years.
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And that kind of became
a nightly routine.
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Like, I like talking to her
so much that, like,
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when I'm having a bad day
at work, like,
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that's what I want to do.
Like, I want to go home.
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I want to call her.
I want to talk to her.
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She'll hype me up.
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But I've never really felt
like in life, like,
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I had someone that, like,
cared about me
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the way that she has.
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- Wow.
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What about her anxiety
and depression?
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Has she opened up to you
about, like,
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what has been
the cause of that?
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- She hasn't said directly,
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but I feel like
it's from past relationships.
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I know that like, she's scared
to just meet up with people.
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And like any time--'cause
I've been trying to meet up
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for, you know, months.
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But I've also tried to be
understanding
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'cause you know, you don't know
everyone's battle
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and what they're going through.
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So I'm trying to be there
for her.
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I can't be there for her
if she won't let me.
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- Yeah. - And so,
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if I bring it up
too much though, she'll get mad
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and we'll get into,
like, an argument.
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She may delete me on
everything, block me.
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- She's done that?
- Yeah.
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And then, like,
within like an hour,
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she'll go ahead and call me
and be like,
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"Babe, you know I just get
upset.
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"You know I wasn't gonna
keep you blocked or nothing.
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I'm sorry."
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- So she's not ready
to meet up.
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But why not FaceTime?
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- With the FaceTime, she'll
usually say something like,
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well, I don't have
my makeup done,
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or my hair's not done.
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And it's like,
I'm not that judgmental.
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I like talking to you,
not your makeup.
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- But to be afraid to FaceTime
with someone
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that you're talking to three
times a day
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and all through the night...
- Right.
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- You have to admit
something is--
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- I mean, it's definitely sus.
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I mean, we've been talking
for three months.
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And she tells me she has
all these feelings for me,
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but she doesn't want to meet.
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Like, you can only wait
for so long.
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- Yeah.
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Well, especially since
you're not that
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far away from each other.
- Right.
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- I want to see the pictures.
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- Ooh.
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Oh, she's sultry.
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She's a sultry girl.
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- Oh.
- Mm-hmm.
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I don't know about
some of these, William.
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She does cover the face
in the body pictures.
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Some of the body ones look like
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they could be different
brunette girls.
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- Hard to say.
- It's hard to say.
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- And Carmella,
what is her background?
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- It's not an Arkansas name.
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- She's--that's one of
those things
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I don't feel like
it's my spot to tell,
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but she's transgender.
both: Oh.
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- That's why her name is
like that,
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'cause she made her name.
She legally changed it.
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- OK.
- Got it.
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You should have just said that
from the beginning.
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- OK. Well, you know,
so I like cis women,
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but I also like trans women.
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Like, I'm attracted to like
the feminine side,
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like, long, pretty hair,
makeup, nails.
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- You're a lover of women.
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- Like I said,
I just didn't know
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if that's my spot to tell.
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- It's understandable.
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And--and it shouldn't
make any difference.
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But I do think
in this context...
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- It might, right.
- It does.
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- Mm.
- 'Cause, like,
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that would explain
why someone in her situation
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might be more hesitant.
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- She's concerned about
her safety, rightfully so,
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in meeting somebody
off the internet.
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Obviously...
- It can be scary.
250
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- You have people who fetishize
trans women,
251
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and that can also be weird
and scary.
252
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But at the same time,
she still might not be
253
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the girl in the pics, right?
254
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- Right.
255
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- What if she's not the person
in the photos?
256
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- Like, you know, when you're
building a relationship,
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you want to build it on
trust and loyalty.
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And it's hard to build trust
if someone's been lying to you
259
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for three months.
- Right.
260
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- But you know,
she could be telling the truth.
261
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I want to be with her.
I really like her.
262
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- All right, well, email us
whatever you have,
263
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her social media accounts,
her phone number.
264
00:10:03,036 --> 00:10:04,169
- Got you.
265
00:10:04,237 --> 00:10:05,470
- And then we'll figure out
a plan.
266
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- Appreciate it, man.
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- All right, man.
268
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Woo!
- Wow!
269
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- Y'all be safe out there.
270
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- Let me tell you something,
William.
271
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This better be the girl
in the pictures
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'cause I am not
risking my hair for this.
273
00:10:18,518 --> 00:10:21,519
- Totally gonna be worth it.
- It better be!
274
00:10:21,588 --> 00:10:23,355
[rain pouring]
275
00:10:23,423 --> 00:10:24,489
Go, Nev!
- All right.
276
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- Y'all be careful out there.
Be safe.
277
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- Oh! Oh, my God.
278
00:10:28,962 --> 00:10:32,897
- There aren't a lot of things
that would explain and justify
279
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Carmella's behavior...
- Mm-hmm.
280
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- As effectively as
her being trans.
281
00:10:38,171 --> 00:10:40,705
- But could there be
something else that
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she's lying to William about?
283
00:10:42,209 --> 00:10:45,543
- She could still be
lying about the photos.
284
00:10:45,612 --> 00:10:48,613
- Mm-hmm. I think that,
William, he's a good egg.
285
00:10:48,682 --> 00:10:50,582
I think he's been so patient
with her.
286
00:10:50,651 --> 00:10:53,518
- Yeah, he trusts her.
They talk every day.
287
00:10:53,587 --> 00:10:55,887
And if Carmella has been
lying to him,
288
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it's going to be devastating.
289
00:10:58,325 --> 00:10:59,391
- Feeling good today.
290
00:10:59,459 --> 00:11:02,293
Thanks. Woo!
291
00:11:02,362 --> 00:11:04,429
Back to work.
292
00:11:04,498 --> 00:11:05,797
How are you feeling today?
293
00:11:05,866 --> 00:11:07,165
- I think a little better.
294
00:11:07,234 --> 00:11:10,235
- I think we're on the mend.
- Let's get into it.
295
00:11:10,303 --> 00:11:14,539
William has been talking to
Carmella for three months,
296
00:11:14,608 --> 00:11:16,841
heavy talking. On the phone...
- Big talk.
297
00:11:16,910 --> 00:11:17,976
- Pretty much every day.
298
00:11:18,045 --> 00:11:19,511
- Carmella says she's trans.
299
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And through her experience,
300
00:11:21,381 --> 00:11:24,949
she's dealt with some things
that have made her feel unsafe
301
00:11:25,018 --> 00:11:26,685
with meeting up with people,
strangers,
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00:11:26,753 --> 00:11:28,086
that she's met online.
303
00:11:28,155 --> 00:11:30,388
And William understands that,
which I think is great.
304
00:11:30,457 --> 00:11:32,924
But at the same time,
why not video chat?
305
00:11:32,993 --> 00:11:34,793
- Right.
The question now is,
306
00:11:34,861 --> 00:11:37,495
is Carmella
the girl in the pictures
307
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where we see her face,
308
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and is the girl
in the pictures where
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we don't see her face
the same girl?
310
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- We are finding Carmella.
311
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She's real.
She's the girl in pictures.
312
00:11:47,974 --> 00:11:50,575
- You're channeling good vibes,
313
00:11:50,644 --> 00:11:53,578
manifesting love.
- ♪ Wonder love ♪
314
00:11:53,647 --> 00:11:54,713
- All right, I am ready.
315
00:11:54,781 --> 00:11:56,414
We've got an email here
from William.
316
00:11:56,483 --> 00:11:57,716
"Hey, Nev and Kamie.
317
00:11:57,784 --> 00:12:00,985
"Her full name,
Carmella [bleep], 24.
318
00:12:01,054 --> 00:12:03,655
Here's her phone number,
and here are her socials."
319
00:12:03,724 --> 00:12:05,523
Did he send the pictures?
Oh, yeah.
320
00:12:05,592 --> 00:12:07,492
Let's just go through these.
321
00:12:07,561 --> 00:12:09,861
That's very filtered, right?
322
00:12:09,930 --> 00:12:12,697
- Yeah, I mean,
she's definitely using filters.
323
00:12:12,766 --> 00:12:15,700
But who doesn't?
- Yeah.
324
00:12:15,769 --> 00:12:17,902
- First off, is this really
the same girl
325
00:12:17,971 --> 00:12:19,170
as the face shots?
326
00:12:19,239 --> 00:12:21,639
- In the mirror pics?
- Yeah.
327
00:12:21,708 --> 00:12:22,674
- Look how different
the phone is.
328
00:12:22,743 --> 00:12:24,375
- Oh, yeah.
I mean--
329
00:12:24,444 --> 00:12:25,577
- They're all--
all different phones.
330
00:12:25,645 --> 00:12:28,213
- Yeah.
That is not the same girl.
331
00:12:28,281 --> 00:12:30,248
- The full mirror pics
are almost certainly
332
00:12:30,317 --> 00:12:31,583
of different girls.
- Yeah.
333
00:12:31,651 --> 00:12:33,084
I want to see the Instagram.
334
00:12:33,153 --> 00:12:36,354
- OK. Let's see this.
335
00:12:36,423 --> 00:12:38,089
OK, no posts.
336
00:12:38,158 --> 00:12:40,058
Carmella [bleep].
337
00:12:40,127 --> 00:12:41,092
Is she tagged in anything?
338
00:12:41,161 --> 00:12:42,894
No, she's not tagged in
anything.
339
00:12:42,963 --> 00:12:44,963
- She has like a TikTok
and stuff linked on there.
340
00:12:46,199 --> 00:12:48,466
- No videos.
- No videos.
341
00:12:48,535 --> 00:12:50,935
- We have a Facebook.
342
00:12:51,004 --> 00:12:53,204
She uses the same avatar.
343
00:12:53,273 --> 00:12:54,906
- No face, no trace.
344
00:12:54,975 --> 00:12:57,041
- We could run some photos.
345
00:12:57,110 --> 00:12:59,477
What do you think, this one?
346
00:12:59,546 --> 00:13:00,879
Not a hit.
347
00:13:00,947 --> 00:13:02,313
Let's try this next picture.
348
00:13:03,884 --> 00:13:05,283
No hits on these.
349
00:13:05,352 --> 00:13:07,152
- We didn't run the body ones
though.
350
00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:08,887
- All right,
let's run some of these.
351
00:13:08,955 --> 00:13:11,322
- Oh, right there!
- Whoa, right there.
352
00:13:11,391 --> 00:13:13,625
Oh, my goodness!
353
00:13:13,693 --> 00:13:17,896
All right, so this is a picture
on some Pinterest boards.
354
00:13:17,964 --> 00:13:19,697
I'm sure the other ones
probably are too.
355
00:13:19,766 --> 00:13:22,834
Let's see.
- Just as we suspected.
356
00:13:22,903 --> 00:13:25,270
- Check this one.
357
00:13:25,338 --> 00:13:26,437
Oh.
- Right there.
358
00:13:26,506 --> 00:13:27,806
- There it is.
359
00:13:27,874 --> 00:13:30,809
All right, we now know
Carmella is not the girl in
360
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the sort of full body,
no face pictures that she sent.
361
00:13:34,347 --> 00:13:35,713
- Mm-hmm, yeah.
- What else do we have?
362
00:13:35,782 --> 00:13:37,215
We have a phone number.
I guess we could search that.
363
00:13:37,284 --> 00:13:38,516
Let's see.
364
00:13:39,986 --> 00:13:43,288
Little Rock, Arkansas, one
potential owner,
365
00:13:43,356 --> 00:13:44,589
Carmella.
366
00:13:44,658 --> 00:13:46,825
OK. Well, that checks out.
367
00:13:46,893 --> 00:13:51,863
Let's just do a search for
Carmella [bleep].
368
00:13:53,667 --> 00:13:57,168
Here's a Twitter profile.
There she is.
369
00:13:57,237 --> 00:13:58,937
Oh, there's the pic.
370
00:13:59,005 --> 00:13:59,971
William didn't send us this,
371
00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,507
so I don't think
he's seen this.
372
00:14:02,576 --> 00:14:05,043
This looks like her,
same avatar.
373
00:14:05,111 --> 00:14:06,911
She talks about her anxiety
a lot.
374
00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:09,280
I mean, why hide this
from him though?
375
00:14:09,349 --> 00:14:10,348
- Mm-hmm.
376
00:14:10,417 --> 00:14:12,183
- This all sort of matches up.
377
00:14:12,252 --> 00:14:15,687
What is this, #edtwt?
378
00:14:15,755 --> 00:14:17,989
- It's got to be
eating disorder Twitter.
379
00:14:18,058 --> 00:14:19,791
- Oh.
380
00:14:19,860 --> 00:14:21,693
Wow, she tweets about it a lot.
- Mm-hmm.
381
00:14:21,761 --> 00:14:24,629
- It seems like Carmella is
struggling with
382
00:14:24,698 --> 00:14:26,497
an eating disorder of
some kind.
383
00:14:26,566 --> 00:14:30,001
- It makes sense if she's not
feeling totally comfortable.
384
00:14:30,070 --> 00:14:31,803
She hasn't been feeling
comfortable in her own skin
385
00:14:31,872 --> 00:14:33,371
for a while.
386
00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,174
And it's hard to put yourself
out there to meet somebody new
387
00:14:36,243 --> 00:14:38,376
when you yourself
don't feel comfortable.
388
00:14:38,445 --> 00:14:40,311
- Right. I think
we need to talk to William.
389
00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:43,014
It's looking like Carmella is
definitely named Carmella.
390
00:14:43,083 --> 00:14:44,849
- Right. - We can probably also
trust
391
00:14:44,918 --> 00:14:47,018
that at least parts of
her story,
392
00:14:47,087 --> 00:14:50,321
her being trans,
her background, is also true.
393
00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:52,357
- Right.
- What we can't prove
394
00:14:52,425 --> 00:14:53,625
is if she's the girl
in the pictures.
395
00:14:53,693 --> 00:14:56,194
And I think we have to be
somewhat suspicious of
396
00:14:56,263 --> 00:14:57,629
whether or not she is because
397
00:14:57,697 --> 00:15:00,164
we do know that the pictures
she sent of her whole body
398
00:15:00,233 --> 00:15:01,332
where you can't see her face
399
00:15:01,401 --> 00:15:02,567
are definitely just off
the internet.
400
00:15:02,636 --> 00:15:04,535
- Only thing we can't confirm
is the face.
401
00:15:04,604 --> 00:15:06,371
- The face.
- And William said
402
00:15:06,439 --> 00:15:08,039
he couldn't be
in a relationship with her
403
00:15:08,108 --> 00:15:12,210
if she lied about
something like that.
404
00:15:12,279 --> 00:15:14,145
[soft music]
405
00:15:14,214 --> 00:15:15,313
[knocking on door]
406
00:15:15,382 --> 00:15:16,314
- Hey.
- What's up?
407
00:15:16,383 --> 00:15:17,315
How are y'all?
- Hello.
408
00:15:17,384 --> 00:15:19,117
- Come on in.
- Yes, sir.
409
00:15:19,185 --> 00:15:20,351
- Have a seat.
410
00:15:21,554 --> 00:15:23,988
- What's going on?
- I'm feeling a hunnid.
411
00:15:24,057 --> 00:15:26,758
I'm interested in hearing
what y'all found.
412
00:15:26,826 --> 00:15:28,526
- All right, well, look,
let's just sort of get into it.
413
00:15:28,595 --> 00:15:30,328
First thing we did was
we just looked through
414
00:15:30,397 --> 00:15:32,497
her social medias you sent us.
- Ah.
415
00:15:32,565 --> 00:15:34,632
- There's nothing on
much of them.
416
00:15:34,701 --> 00:15:36,134
- Right.
- So we thought, OK,
417
00:15:36,202 --> 00:15:38,636
let's search her phone number.
Let's see what comes back.
418
00:15:38,705 --> 00:15:41,039
And her phone number comes back
registered to Carmella.
419
00:15:41,107 --> 00:15:43,274
So obviously, that seems good.
420
00:15:43,343 --> 00:15:45,576
Then we just googled her name.
421
00:15:45,645 --> 00:15:47,712
And we found a Twitter account.
422
00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:49,180
Did you know she had
a Twitter page?
423
00:15:49,249 --> 00:15:51,482
- No, I don't have Twitter,
so I never, like, got on it.
424
00:15:51,551 --> 00:15:52,850
- Got it. Well, she does.
425
00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:54,052
One thing that we noticed,
426
00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,554
she talks a lot about
disordered eating.
427
00:15:56,623 --> 00:16:00,525
And she specifically uses
a hashtag, #edtwt,
428
00:16:00,593 --> 00:16:02,560
which is eating disorder
Twitter.
429
00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:05,563
It's a community of people
who are struggling with
430
00:16:05,632 --> 00:16:07,465
eating disorders and they
kind of support each other.
431
00:16:07,534 --> 00:16:09,901
But has she ever talked to you
about struggling with,
432
00:16:09,970 --> 00:16:11,836
or having previously had
an eating disorder?
433
00:16:11,905 --> 00:16:14,505
- She talks about feeling bad
for people like that.
434
00:16:14,574 --> 00:16:16,941
But she's never said like,
"I personally have problems."
435
00:16:17,010 --> 00:16:19,978
- Seeing that,
it also made sense to us
436
00:16:20,046 --> 00:16:21,646
if she is struggling with this,
437
00:16:21,715 --> 00:16:22,914
that's part of the reason
438
00:16:22,983 --> 00:16:24,582
why she hasn't wanted to
meet up with you
439
00:16:24,651 --> 00:16:26,384
because she's still working
through some things.
440
00:16:26,453 --> 00:16:29,454
- Dealing with these problems.
Right.
441
00:16:29,522 --> 00:16:31,289
- Then what we did was
442
00:16:31,358 --> 00:16:35,193
we looked up
pictures of her face.
443
00:16:36,496 --> 00:16:38,930
None of them came back with
any direct hits.
444
00:16:38,999 --> 00:16:40,365
So that's good.
445
00:16:40,433 --> 00:16:42,867
However, when we do
an image search
446
00:16:42,936 --> 00:16:45,937
for the pictures of her
in the mirror,
447
00:16:46,006 --> 00:16:48,506
we do get hits.
448
00:16:50,410 --> 00:16:56,114
So this picture, we found on
some Pinterest board.
449
00:16:56,182 --> 00:17:01,252
And this one
on a bunch of websites.
450
00:17:01,321 --> 00:17:04,489
While we still can't prove the
pictures of her face are her,
451
00:17:04,557 --> 00:17:08,893
we can't find that person
anywhere else,
452
00:17:08,962 --> 00:17:15,900
but the pictures of her body
are almost certainly not her.
453
00:17:19,706 --> 00:17:21,239
It looks as though
454
00:17:21,307 --> 00:17:23,508
pretty much everything you know
about Carmella is true
455
00:17:23,576 --> 00:17:26,277
but she's not the person
in the photos.
456
00:17:26,346 --> 00:17:29,113
[soft music]
457
00:17:29,182 --> 00:17:33,017
- I mean, you know, it kinda--
kinda makes me sad, you know?
458
00:17:33,086 --> 00:17:35,586
♪ ♪
459
00:17:35,655 --> 00:17:37,789
If she doesn't look the same,
460
00:17:37,857 --> 00:17:41,893
then I feel like,
you know, she lied to me.
461
00:17:41,961 --> 00:17:45,029
You got to build a relationship
on trust and loyalty.
462
00:17:45,098 --> 00:17:46,164
And you can't do that
if someone's
463
00:17:46,232 --> 00:17:48,199
lying to you all the time.
464
00:17:48,268 --> 00:17:51,469
But still, I want to meet her.
465
00:17:51,538 --> 00:17:53,504
- So now, I mean, I guess
our next thing is
466
00:17:53,573 --> 00:17:56,674
trying to
delicately talk to her
467
00:17:56,743 --> 00:17:58,609
about meeting you in person.
468
00:17:58,678 --> 00:17:59,977
- This would be the time.
469
00:18:00,046 --> 00:18:02,113
- We should probably be
a little delicate because
470
00:18:02,182 --> 00:18:04,015
you've tried to meet her
a bunch of times already,
471
00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:06,250
and she's claimed to be
too anxious.
472
00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:08,219
I don't think
our strategy needs to be
473
00:18:08,288 --> 00:18:10,021
to get her to come clean
474
00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:12,690
or tell some truth to us
before meeting you.
475
00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:14,125
It should just be,
hey, we want to create
476
00:18:14,194 --> 00:18:16,894
a safe environment for you
to feel comfortable
477
00:18:16,963 --> 00:18:18,329
- So she doesn't feel pressured
and stuff.
478
00:18:18,398 --> 00:18:19,697
- Right.
- Right.
479
00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:23,167
- So I guess I could just call
and see if she picks up.
480
00:18:23,236 --> 00:18:29,207
[line trilling]
481
00:18:30,443 --> 00:18:32,410
- Hello.
Is this Carmella?
482
00:18:33,580 --> 00:18:35,546
- Hey, Carmella.
This is Nev from "Catfish."
483
00:18:35,615 --> 00:18:38,182
And I'm sitting here with
your friend William.
484
00:18:38,251 --> 00:18:41,986
We are here because William was
hoping that we could help
485
00:18:42,055 --> 00:18:45,590
create a scenario in which
you would feel comfortable
486
00:18:45,658 --> 00:18:48,593
and safe to finally
meet up with him.
487
00:18:55,535 --> 00:18:59,036
- He really just thought that
our platform would be
488
00:18:59,105 --> 00:19:01,973
a good place for you guys
to finally meet.
489
00:19:02,041 --> 00:19:04,375
And he was hoping that
perhaps our assistance
490
00:19:04,444 --> 00:19:06,644
would make you feel
more comfortable.
491
00:19:13,453 --> 00:19:17,021
- Wait. Is there like a
specific reason you can't meet?
492
00:19:17,090 --> 00:19:20,258
Because we don't know
everything, I guess, or--or--
493
00:19:23,429 --> 00:19:24,962
- Right.
494
00:19:28,968 --> 00:19:30,168
- Totally understand that.
495
00:19:37,443 --> 00:19:39,043
- We're really more
reaching out--
496
00:19:40,113 --> 00:19:41,812
[call ends]
497
00:19:43,149 --> 00:19:44,382
- OK.
498
00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:45,483
- If she's still Carmella,
499
00:19:45,552 --> 00:19:46,784
she says who she says she is,
500
00:19:46,853 --> 00:19:49,020
she just doesn't look
exactly the same,
501
00:19:49,088 --> 00:19:51,088
then I feel like, you know,
502
00:19:51,157 --> 00:19:52,890
she may have to regain
my trust,
503
00:19:52,959 --> 00:19:55,059
but it could still work.
504
00:19:55,128 --> 00:19:57,261
- I don't know, William.
I wouldn't get my hopes up
505
00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,564
that she's telling the truth,
you know?
506
00:19:59,632 --> 00:20:04,468
And there is a chance that
you may never meet this girl.
507
00:20:04,537 --> 00:20:06,404
- Right.
508
00:20:06,472 --> 00:20:09,407
- Are you OK with that?
509
00:20:09,475 --> 00:20:11,909
- I've already spent three
months and I really like her.
510
00:20:11,978 --> 00:20:13,511
I want to be with her,
but I can't do it
511
00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:16,380
if she won't let me.
512
00:20:17,183 --> 00:20:18,883
So, you know,
I kinda made my move.
513
00:20:18,952 --> 00:20:20,685
Now the ball's in her court.
514
00:20:20,753 --> 00:20:22,520
- If she is mostly
telling the truth
515
00:20:22,589 --> 00:20:24,121
but she isn't ready,
516
00:20:24,190 --> 00:20:25,656
will you wait?
517
00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:28,259
Or do you think you'll have to
kind of open yourself up
518
00:20:28,328 --> 00:20:30,094
to meeting someone else?
- Moving on?
519
00:20:30,163 --> 00:20:33,130
I like her but
I can't force somebody
520
00:20:33,199 --> 00:20:35,066
to meet me or be with me.
- Right.
521
00:20:35,134 --> 00:20:37,201
[phone chimes]
both: Oh.
522
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:39,437
Wow, she just sent a picture.
523
00:20:39,505 --> 00:20:41,405
It's a picture of her.
524
00:20:41,474 --> 00:20:44,675
"Nev and Kamie, I am real.
Heart, Carmella."
525
00:20:44,744 --> 00:20:45,776
- What?
526
00:20:45,845 --> 00:20:47,578
- Oh, my God. It's her!
527
00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:51,382
[phone chimes]
both: Oh.
528
00:20:51,451 --> 00:20:52,516
- She just sent
a picture of her.
529
00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:55,152
"I'm real. Heart, Carmella."
- What?
530
00:20:55,221 --> 00:20:58,022
- Oh, my God. It's her!
531
00:20:58,091 --> 00:21:00,791
I mean, is there any way that
this is somehow faked?
532
00:21:00,860 --> 00:21:02,693
How would she have done that
so fast?
533
00:21:02,762 --> 00:21:03,728
- Yeah.
534
00:21:03,796 --> 00:21:05,196
- If that is her,
535
00:21:05,265 --> 00:21:07,832
why would she send us pictures
of other girls' bodies?
536
00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:09,500
- I think considering
the other things
537
00:21:09,569 --> 00:21:11,569
that she's dealing with
that she's talked about,
538
00:21:11,638 --> 00:21:15,306
it makes sense that she's not
completely comfortable
539
00:21:15,375 --> 00:21:18,709
with her body right now
to send full body pictures.
540
00:21:18,778 --> 00:21:19,977
- Yeah.
541
00:21:20,046 --> 00:21:21,245
Well, we should
probably respond, right?
542
00:21:21,314 --> 00:21:22,380
I mean, what should we say?
543
00:21:22,448 --> 00:21:24,715
- Can I give it a try?
544
00:21:26,052 --> 00:21:28,319
- "Hey, Carmella,
William is really excited
545
00:21:28,388 --> 00:21:30,655
"and looking forward to the
possibility of meeting you.
546
00:21:30,723 --> 00:21:32,323
"We would love to help
make that happen.
547
00:21:32,392 --> 00:21:34,191
"Please think about it
and let us know
548
00:21:34,260 --> 00:21:35,192
"if there's anything we can do
549
00:21:35,261 --> 00:21:36,894
"to make you feel
more comfortable.
550
00:21:36,963 --> 00:21:39,530
"We are currently in Little
Rock and willing to meet you
551
00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:43,267
whenever/wherever
is best for you. Heart."
552
00:21:43,336 --> 00:21:46,070
Sound good to you, William?
- Yeah.
553
00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:48,105
- OK, sent.
554
00:21:48,174 --> 00:21:49,540
- Now let's see what she says.
555
00:21:49,609 --> 00:21:50,875
- Right.
[phone chimes]
556
00:21:50,943 --> 00:21:52,943
- Oh. That was fast.
557
00:21:53,012 --> 00:21:55,046
"I care about him,
but I lied in a big way.
558
00:21:55,114 --> 00:21:56,747
"I don't think
I can ever face him.
559
00:21:56,816 --> 00:21:58,416
Sorry."
560
00:21:58,484 --> 00:22:01,852
- Well. "I lied in a big way."
561
00:22:01,921 --> 00:22:03,788
- Should I mention the pictures
at this point,
562
00:22:03,856 --> 00:22:05,389
that we know it's not her body?
563
00:22:05,458 --> 00:22:07,191
- I mean, I hope that's what
she's talking about.
564
00:22:07,260 --> 00:22:08,426
- Well, that's what I mean.
565
00:22:08,494 --> 00:22:12,063
Like, so, I could say like,
at this point,
566
00:22:12,131 --> 00:22:17,868
all we know that you lied about
567
00:22:17,937 --> 00:22:19,870
are the photos...
568
00:22:19,939 --> 00:22:21,906
- The photos you used of
someone else's body.
569
00:22:21,974 --> 00:22:24,575
Is there something else?
570
00:22:26,145 --> 00:22:28,479
- Oh, she's typing.
She's typing.
571
00:22:30,483 --> 00:22:31,782
Oh, she stopped.
572
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:36,320
I think that might be all we're
getting from her right now.
573
00:22:36,389 --> 00:22:39,590
We'll wait and see if
she gets back to us.
574
00:22:39,659 --> 00:22:40,758
- Gotcha.
575
00:22:40,827 --> 00:22:42,226
- You let us know if
you hear anything.
576
00:22:42,295 --> 00:22:44,161
We'll let you know if
we hear anything.
577
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:46,564
- If she's ready to meet,
then great.
578
00:22:46,632 --> 00:22:49,934
But I'm not gonna wait forever
if nothing's coming from it.
579
00:22:50,002 --> 00:22:51,235
- Fingers crossed.
580
00:22:51,304 --> 00:22:54,605
[tense music]
581
00:22:54,674 --> 00:22:56,073
- See you, William.
- I'll see you.
582
00:22:56,142 --> 00:22:58,309
Y'all be safe.
- Thank you.
583
00:22:59,579 --> 00:23:01,178
- I can't believe
she just sent that picture.
584
00:23:01,247 --> 00:23:02,680
That was crazy!
- I know.
585
00:23:02,749 --> 00:23:04,115
- What is she hiding?
586
00:23:04,183 --> 00:23:07,918
What is this big lie that
she's so afraid to tell him?
587
00:23:07,987 --> 00:23:12,656
♪ ♪
588
00:23:13,993 --> 00:23:15,860
[mellow electronic music]
589
00:23:15,928 --> 00:23:18,963
[knocking on door]
590
00:23:19,031 --> 00:23:20,664
- Good morning.
591
00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:21,699
Have a seat.
592
00:23:21,768 --> 00:23:22,833
- Update.
593
00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:25,536
Just got a voice note
from our girl.
594
00:23:25,605 --> 00:23:26,771
Check this out.
595
00:23:58,871 --> 00:24:01,505
- Good news is,
Carmella confirmed that
596
00:24:01,574 --> 00:24:05,075
her feelings for William
are very real.
597
00:24:05,144 --> 00:24:06,744
- That's a plus.
- Which is great.
598
00:24:06,813 --> 00:24:11,949
But there is something going on
that she's super nervous about.
599
00:24:12,018 --> 00:24:13,751
- What could it be? [phone
chimes]
600
00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:15,419
- Oh, she sent her address.
- Oh.
601
00:24:15,488 --> 00:24:18,889
- She's 23 minutes away.
- OK.
602
00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:23,360
- "Thanks.
We will head over soon."
603
00:24:23,429 --> 00:24:24,829
Well, let's just call William
and let him know.
604
00:24:24,897 --> 00:24:27,064
[line trilling]
605
00:24:28,434 --> 00:24:32,303
- We just got a voice note
from Carmella.
606
00:24:32,371 --> 00:24:35,072
She confirmed that all
the things she's told you
607
00:24:35,141 --> 00:24:38,075
and all the feelings that she's
expressed to you are real,
608
00:24:38,144 --> 00:24:41,512
but that there is something
she's worried to tell you.
609
00:24:41,581 --> 00:24:43,781
But she wants to meet you.
610
00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:46,717
And she even then texted us
an address.
611
00:24:51,157 --> 00:24:54,291
- OK. So can you just meet us
over here at the hotel
612
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:55,526
and head over there together?
613
00:24:56,929 --> 00:24:57,928
- All right, great.
614
00:24:57,997 --> 00:24:59,563
We'll see you downstairs
in a little bit.
615
00:24:59,632 --> 00:25:01,665
- See you soon.
616
00:25:03,769 --> 00:25:05,736
Look at our guy.
- There he is.
617
00:25:05,805 --> 00:25:07,238
- Hello.
- How are you?
618
00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:08,506
- Good to see you.
619
00:25:08,574 --> 00:25:09,707
- Good to see you too.
620
00:25:09,775 --> 00:25:11,108
- How are you doing?
621
00:25:11,177 --> 00:25:15,246
- Just ready to meet Carmella
and see what she has--
622
00:25:15,314 --> 00:25:16,747
what surprise she has
waiting for me.
623
00:25:16,816 --> 00:25:17,748
- Same.
624
00:25:17,817 --> 00:25:19,216
- Get in the "Car-a-mella."
625
00:25:19,285 --> 00:25:21,085
- [laughs]
- Yes, sir.
626
00:25:23,789 --> 00:25:25,289
- And away we go.
627
00:25:26,993 --> 00:25:29,527
- I'm very, very curious
in finding out
628
00:25:29,595 --> 00:25:31,762
what Carmella has to tell you.
629
00:25:31,831 --> 00:25:34,398
- I am too.
630
00:25:34,467 --> 00:25:37,134
What is it that's so bad
that she couldn't tell me?
631
00:25:37,203 --> 00:25:38,636
It depends on
how big the lie is,
632
00:25:38,704 --> 00:25:41,438
if we can recover, if we can
actually be something.
633
00:25:41,507 --> 00:25:42,473
- Mm-hmm.
634
00:25:45,478 --> 00:25:47,177
It's an old neighborhood.
635
00:25:49,315 --> 00:25:50,948
This is the street.
636
00:25:51,017 --> 00:25:52,416
63's--
637
00:25:52,485 --> 00:25:54,451
- I think it's that one.
638
00:25:56,355 --> 00:25:58,822
- All right. Well.
639
00:25:58,891 --> 00:26:00,958
- Are you ready?
- I feel like I've been nervous
640
00:26:01,027 --> 00:26:03,260
for the last three months,
so, you know,
641
00:26:03,329 --> 00:26:04,762
now's the time. Let's do it.
642
00:26:04,830 --> 00:26:06,030
- Let's do it.
643
00:26:08,668 --> 00:26:10,367
You guys can wait here.
644
00:26:10,436 --> 00:26:11,602
I'll check it out.
645
00:26:11,671 --> 00:26:14,505
[tense music]
646
00:26:14,574 --> 00:26:21,612
♪ ♪
647
00:26:24,450 --> 00:26:27,184
[doorbell rings]
648
00:26:27,253 --> 00:26:30,988
♪ ♪
649
00:26:31,057 --> 00:26:32,856
[whispers] I rang the doorbell.
650
00:26:32,925 --> 00:26:34,391
[door creaks open]
651
00:26:34,460 --> 00:26:36,026
- Ooh!
652
00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:38,228
- Hi.
- Hello.
653
00:26:38,297 --> 00:26:40,130
- [whispers] I can't see.
654
00:26:40,199 --> 00:26:42,199
- Come on out.
655
00:26:43,703 --> 00:26:46,570
[tense music]
656
00:26:46,639 --> 00:26:48,205
♪ ♪
657
00:26:48,274 --> 00:26:50,908
[doorbell rings]
658
00:26:50,977 --> 00:26:54,712
♪ ♪
659
00:26:54,780 --> 00:26:56,714
[whispers] I rang the doorbell.
660
00:26:56,782 --> 00:26:58,115
[door creaks open]
661
00:26:58,184 --> 00:26:59,750
- Ooh!
662
00:26:59,819 --> 00:27:00,951
- Hi.
663
00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:01,952
- Hello.
664
00:27:02,021 --> 00:27:03,887
- [whispers] I can't see.
665
00:27:03,956 --> 00:27:05,623
- Come on out.
666
00:27:05,691 --> 00:27:08,292
♪ ♪
667
00:27:08,361 --> 00:27:10,127
Yeah, yeah.
- Hey.
668
00:27:10,196 --> 00:27:12,463
Hey.
- [mumbles] We got your--
669
00:27:12,531 --> 00:27:15,432
- Oh.
670
00:27:16,969 --> 00:27:19,103
- How's everything going?
- Good. How are y'all?
671
00:27:19,171 --> 00:27:21,005
- Good.
- Good, I'm Kamie.
672
00:27:21,073 --> 00:27:24,742
- Nice to meet you. Carmella.
- Nice to meet you too.
673
00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:25,976
- Will.
- Nice to meet you, Will.
674
00:27:26,045 --> 00:27:28,612
Carmella.
- Nice to meet you too.
675
00:27:28,681 --> 00:27:30,414
- All right.
Happy to meet you.
676
00:27:30,483 --> 00:27:32,149
- Nice to meet y'all.
[chuckles]
677
00:27:32,218 --> 00:27:37,688
- Um, obviously, you're not
the girl in the pictures.
678
00:27:37,757 --> 00:27:39,790
- Right. - Is that--
679
00:27:39,859 --> 00:27:42,726
why don't you kind of explain
the situation.
680
00:27:42,795 --> 00:27:45,229
- Well, of course, like,
the body pictures
681
00:27:45,297 --> 00:27:47,498
were fake, of course.
- OK.
682
00:27:47,566 --> 00:27:51,468
- The face pictures were me.
683
00:27:51,537 --> 00:27:56,240
They're just very edited
with FaceApp.
684
00:27:56,308 --> 00:27:58,976
- Wow. OK, so that photo
you sent in the car
685
00:27:59,045 --> 00:28:01,645
and all the other face shots,
those are all you?
686
00:28:01,714 --> 00:28:03,347
- Right, right.
- [stammers]
687
00:28:03,416 --> 00:28:05,349
And that's primarily
the issue that
688
00:28:05,418 --> 00:28:07,651
you were concerned
about revealing.
689
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,319
- Right.
690
00:28:09,388 --> 00:28:11,655
- But surely, I mean,
having talked to him
691
00:28:11,724 --> 00:28:13,624
for the last three months
so much,
692
00:28:13,693 --> 00:28:16,694
and him being so open minded
and accepting
693
00:28:16,762 --> 00:28:19,296
from what I understand,
of everything you've told him,
694
00:28:19,365 --> 00:28:21,165
don't you think he might have
handled that better
695
00:28:21,233 --> 00:28:23,801
if you told him the truth
early on?
696
00:28:23,869 --> 00:28:25,636
What was it that you thought
would be
697
00:28:25,705 --> 00:28:28,472
so hard for him to accept
about you?
698
00:28:28,541 --> 00:28:31,075
- Um, mostly my weight.
699
00:28:31,143 --> 00:28:33,210
It wasn't my intention to lie.
700
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,779
I was just going through
a really rough breakup.
701
00:28:35,848 --> 00:28:41,051
And after that, I just started
catfishing guys for attention.
702
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,020
- Guys, plural?
- Yeah.
703
00:28:43,089 --> 00:28:46,790
Kind of a little
attention whore, I guess.
704
00:28:46,859 --> 00:28:49,126
- There were other guys
you were talking to
705
00:28:49,195 --> 00:28:50,694
that you met online?
706
00:28:50,763 --> 00:28:53,630
- I mean, I've probably talked
to like 5,000, 6,000 guys.
707
00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:56,467
- Whoa, whoa, whoa.
- Wait, what?
708
00:28:56,535 --> 00:28:57,901
5,000 or 6,000?
709
00:28:57,970 --> 00:29:00,804
- Thousand.
- Wow.
710
00:29:00,873 --> 00:29:03,407
So you just--just through
different dating apps,
711
00:29:03,476 --> 00:29:06,410
or primarily Facebook, or--
- Um, Tinder, mostly.
712
00:29:06,479 --> 00:29:10,080
- OK, so you talk to them
to get attention?
713
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:12,049
- Just attention when I'm
bored. - Just for fun?
714
00:29:12,118 --> 00:29:14,351
They just send me like money
and stuff.
715
00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:16,553
- Oh.
- How much money?
716
00:29:16,622 --> 00:29:18,589
- In the past year,
I've probably made
717
00:29:18,657 --> 00:29:21,158
$10,000, $15,000.
718
00:29:21,227 --> 00:29:23,827
- So this isn't just about
your weight or insecurity,
719
00:29:23,896 --> 00:29:26,497
because it sounds like
a lot of those guys
720
00:29:26,565 --> 00:29:29,700
you're kind of scamming.
721
00:29:29,769 --> 00:29:31,034
- I guess.
722
00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:32,770
I mean, I don't like
tell them we're
723
00:29:32,838 --> 00:29:35,005
gonna be together or [bleep]
or anything for the money.
724
00:29:35,074 --> 00:29:37,374
Like, so I feel like
they shouldn't have
725
00:29:37,443 --> 00:29:40,210
very high expectations.
726
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:43,280
If you're gonna send a random
bitch on Snapchat money,
727
00:29:43,349 --> 00:29:44,848
I mean--
728
00:29:44,917 --> 00:29:46,216
- So at the time that
you met William,
729
00:29:46,285 --> 00:29:48,018
you were flirting with
lots of guys.
730
00:29:48,087 --> 00:29:49,887
So Will was essentially
a target
731
00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:51,588
that you were like,
oh, he's another cute boy.
732
00:29:51,657 --> 00:29:53,323
I'll send him all these
hot pictures,
733
00:29:53,392 --> 00:29:54,992
and I'll eventually get money
from him, right?
734
00:29:55,060 --> 00:29:56,260
I mean, that was--
- Right.
735
00:29:56,328 --> 00:29:57,795
- But I don't
send money online.
736
00:29:57,863 --> 00:29:59,696
- Well, no.
But did she ever ask for it?
737
00:29:59,765 --> 00:30:00,931
- No.
738
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,633
- Are you talking to
any of those people now?
739
00:30:02,701 --> 00:30:04,635
'Cause that's a lot of people
to be talking to.
740
00:30:04,703 --> 00:30:06,937
- No, ever since me and him
started talking,
741
00:30:07,006 --> 00:30:09,640
I've pretty much
cut everybody else off,
742
00:30:09,708 --> 00:30:11,275
any other guys.
743
00:30:11,343 --> 00:30:14,545
Like, my feelings for him
are real.
744
00:30:14,613 --> 00:30:16,046
- That's a little hard
to believe though,
745
00:30:16,115 --> 00:30:17,614
given what you just told us.
746
00:30:17,683 --> 00:30:18,949
- Right, right.
747
00:30:19,018 --> 00:30:20,484
- If that's true,
748
00:30:20,553 --> 00:30:23,620
what was different about
Will that prevented you from
749
00:30:23,689 --> 00:30:25,722
taking it to the sort of, oh,
I want to ask him for money
750
00:30:25,791 --> 00:30:28,158
like all these other hundreds
of thousands of guys?
751
00:30:28,227 --> 00:30:30,460
- Well, I mean, once we, like,
started talking on the phone,
752
00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:32,963
it just--we just clicked.
753
00:30:33,032 --> 00:30:34,765
I felt like
I liked his sense of humor.
754
00:30:34,834 --> 00:30:37,201
We had the same kind of taste
in music and movies
755
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:38,802
and stuff like that.
756
00:30:38,871 --> 00:30:40,637
And he didn't treat me like
an object.
757
00:30:40,706 --> 00:30:44,041
So I think that makes him
really, really special,
758
00:30:44,109 --> 00:30:46,443
being able to treat me
the way I want to be treated,
759
00:30:46,512 --> 00:30:48,412
like a normal girl.
760
00:30:49,215 --> 00:30:52,115
- So is everything else
that you've told him true
761
00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:54,351
in terms of what's going on
in your life?
762
00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:57,221
- Yeah, everything else
is true.
763
00:30:57,289 --> 00:30:59,456
- We found your Twitter.
764
00:30:59,525 --> 00:31:01,959
And we see that you talk a lot
on there
765
00:31:02,027 --> 00:31:03,527
about eating disorders.
766
00:31:03,596 --> 00:31:06,096
Is that something that
you struggle with?
767
00:31:06,165 --> 00:31:07,598
- Mm-hmm.
768
00:31:07,666 --> 00:31:10,133
Yeah, I've struggled with that
pretty much my entire life,
769
00:31:10,202 --> 00:31:12,469
but especially after
the breakup
770
00:31:12,538 --> 00:31:14,304
with my last boyfriend.
771
00:31:14,373 --> 00:31:18,208
- Is it something that you are
in recovery for currently
772
00:31:18,277 --> 00:31:20,611
or hoping to be?
773
00:31:20,679 --> 00:31:22,980
- Hoping to be.
774
00:31:23,048 --> 00:31:24,982
- What are you hoping
to get out of
775
00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:26,116
this relationship with William?
776
00:31:26,185 --> 00:31:28,051
Like, what would you want,
ideally?
777
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,154
- I mean, ideally, like,
if he ended up trusting me,
778
00:31:31,223 --> 00:31:33,090
definitely like a relationship.
779
00:31:36,695 --> 00:31:38,362
- I mean...
780
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:40,697
[sighs]
I liked you so much.
781
00:31:40,766 --> 00:31:43,467
But you lied this long.
782
00:31:43,535 --> 00:31:44,835
And I believed you,
783
00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:47,905
which makes me seem
kind of foolish
784
00:31:47,973 --> 00:31:50,707
that you could lie to me
about other things.
785
00:31:50,776 --> 00:31:53,577
- Right.
I think that's understandable.
786
00:31:53,646 --> 00:31:55,345
- I just wish you would have
been honest.
787
00:31:55,414 --> 00:31:58,548
The whole scamming
thousands of men, like,
788
00:31:58,617 --> 00:32:02,586
that's really hard to hear.
Like, that's really damaging.
789
00:32:02,655 --> 00:32:04,521
- I'm sorry.
790
00:32:05,758 --> 00:32:06,757
I mean, at the end
of the day, like,
791
00:32:06,825 --> 00:32:08,158
I just want you to be happy,
792
00:32:08,227 --> 00:32:10,360
even if you're not with me.
793
00:32:10,429 --> 00:32:13,563
But I would definitely want
to be with you.
794
00:32:15,167 --> 00:32:18,902
- I'm willing to try to
get to know the real you.
795
00:32:18,971 --> 00:32:21,939
But I definitely don't want to
rush into nothing.
796
00:32:22,007 --> 00:32:24,041
- I got you.
797
00:32:24,843 --> 00:32:27,511
- All right, well,
why dou n't yogo inside.
798
00:32:27,579 --> 00:32:28,779
We're gonna just hang back
here for a minute
799
00:32:28,847 --> 00:32:29,947
and just check in with William
800
00:32:30,015 --> 00:32:31,782
and then we'll come in
in a few?
801
00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:33,283
- OK, sounds good.
- OK, yeah.
802
00:32:33,352 --> 00:32:37,454
- ♪ Why is loving you
so hard ♪
803
00:32:37,523 --> 00:32:39,923
♪ ♪
804
00:32:39,992 --> 00:32:42,225
♪ Why is letting go
the hardest ♪
805
00:32:42,294 --> 00:32:44,561
- Are you attracted to her?
806
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:46,630
- I don't know. I mean,
807
00:32:46,699 --> 00:32:49,232
it's hard for me to even think
about her physical appearance
808
00:32:49,301 --> 00:32:50,934
and me being attracted to
her physical appearance
809
00:32:51,003 --> 00:32:53,770
because I feel so unattracted
that she's been lying.
810
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,540
- If that's how you feel,
I don't want you to go in there
811
00:32:56,608 --> 00:32:59,076
being the sweet,
compassionate person you are
812
00:32:59,144 --> 00:33:00,310
and give her
the impression that
813
00:33:00,379 --> 00:33:01,611
she can earn your trust back
814
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,981
and then you're good to go.
- Right.
815
00:33:04,049 --> 00:33:09,252
- ♪ I tried to hold on
so tight ♪
816
00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:11,788
♪ But you left when
I needed you most ♪
817
00:33:11,857 --> 00:33:14,958
- I mean, the scamming
thousands of men, like--
818
00:33:15,027 --> 00:33:17,394
- It does raise the concern
of, like,
819
00:33:17,463 --> 00:33:19,796
when someone gets
that comfortable lying--
820
00:33:19,865 --> 00:33:21,164
- That they could do it
all the time.
821
00:33:21,233 --> 00:33:23,333
- Right. That it might be hard
to sort of--
822
00:33:23,402 --> 00:33:26,370
- Come out of that. It's like
lying is like nothing to her.
823
00:33:26,438 --> 00:33:27,838
- ♪ Now it's too late ♪
824
00:33:27,906 --> 00:33:29,339
- Yeah.
825
00:33:29,408 --> 00:33:31,942
- The only thing that I think's
really gonna matter to her
826
00:33:32,011 --> 00:33:34,444
is hearing from you that
827
00:33:34,513 --> 00:33:37,014
her behavior has changed
the way you see her.
828
00:33:37,082 --> 00:33:38,115
- Right.
829
00:33:38,183 --> 00:33:41,585
- That's important for her
to know.
830
00:33:41,653 --> 00:33:44,054
- ♪ And now it's too late ♪
831
00:33:46,458 --> 00:33:48,258
- Just make sure she knows
how you really feel.
832
00:33:48,327 --> 00:33:49,226
- Right.
833
00:33:49,294 --> 00:33:52,262
[soft music]
834
00:33:52,331 --> 00:33:54,564
♪ ♪
835
00:33:54,633 --> 00:33:55,932
- Come on in.
836
00:33:56,001 --> 00:33:57,200
Make yourselves at home.
837
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:59,236
♪ ♪
838
00:33:59,304 --> 00:34:00,637
- [sighs]
839
00:34:00,706 --> 00:34:02,973
All right, so I do think
we need to figure out
840
00:34:03,042 --> 00:34:06,209
what moving forward
for you guys looks like
841
00:34:06,278 --> 00:34:09,079
so that everyone's clear
what to expect.
842
00:34:09,148 --> 00:34:10,714
- OK.
843
00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:13,617
I mean, if I didn't care
about you,
844
00:34:13,685 --> 00:34:17,087
I wouldn't have came on here
to meet you
845
00:34:17,156 --> 00:34:19,890
when I'm so embarrassed and
so disgusted by, like,
846
00:34:19,958 --> 00:34:21,558
the way I look and my weight,
847
00:34:21,627 --> 00:34:23,326
and if I look, like, too manly
848
00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:25,729
or my insecurities.
- But you don't though.
849
00:34:25,798 --> 00:34:29,132
- Like, my last boyfriend,
the one that, like,
850
00:34:29,201 --> 00:34:31,802
I started lying after
we broke up, the last thing
851
00:34:31,870 --> 00:34:33,970
he said to me was,
"Are you really gonna leave?
852
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:35,472
Do you think a guy is gonna
want to be with
853
00:34:35,541 --> 00:34:38,275
a fat-ass tranny?"
854
00:34:38,343 --> 00:34:44,581
And I mean, that has
just, like, stuck with me.
855
00:34:44,650 --> 00:34:47,717
[crying] And that's something
I just haven't dealt with
856
00:34:47,786 --> 00:34:49,453
or healed from yet.
857
00:34:49,521 --> 00:34:52,122
And that's kind of why
I've, like, created
858
00:34:52,191 --> 00:34:56,026
this, I guess, persona online
859
00:34:56,095 --> 00:34:59,930
to, like, cope with
feeling that way.
860
00:34:59,998 --> 00:35:03,133
And having somebody you love
tell you something like that
861
00:35:03,202 --> 00:35:05,969
is just--it really sucks.
862
00:35:06,038 --> 00:35:10,173
So that's why I started, like,
doing what I've been doing,
863
00:35:10,242 --> 00:35:12,509
just to, like, cope with it.
864
00:35:12,578 --> 00:35:16,613
And that's why I've been
scamming guys.
865
00:35:16,682 --> 00:35:21,852
Like, why not when that's
the way I'm treated by them?
866
00:35:24,056 --> 00:35:27,224
- What's kind of
your experience been like
867
00:35:27,292 --> 00:35:30,193
transitioning
in a place like Arkansas?
868
00:35:30,262 --> 00:35:31,628
- Hell.
869
00:35:31,697 --> 00:35:34,331
[soft emotional music]
870
00:35:34,399 --> 00:35:36,166
Um...
871
00:35:36,235 --> 00:35:39,169
the people, of course,
haven't been the nicest.
872
00:35:39,238 --> 00:35:42,205
I grew up in, like,
a super religious home.
873
00:35:42,274 --> 00:35:44,708
I feel like I was basically
taught growing up
874
00:35:44,776 --> 00:35:47,244
to, like, hate myself.
875
00:35:48,981 --> 00:35:51,214
[sobs]
876
00:35:51,283 --> 00:35:54,084
I'm sorry.
877
00:35:54,153 --> 00:35:57,020
♪ ♪
878
00:35:57,089 --> 00:36:00,824
- It's--it's been hard
for you.
879
00:36:00,893 --> 00:36:02,325
- Right.
880
00:36:02,394 --> 00:36:05,395
That's why, like, with him,
I feel like it's different.
881
00:36:05,464 --> 00:36:06,830
But I, like--
882
00:36:06,899 --> 00:36:07,998
I wouldn't have came on here
883
00:36:08,066 --> 00:36:10,200
if I didn't genuinely
care about you
884
00:36:10,269 --> 00:36:13,370
and have feelings for you.
885
00:36:13,438 --> 00:36:16,239
- I'm glad you did. I'm glad
we finally got to meet.
886
00:36:16,308 --> 00:36:20,477
I just wish you could've been
honest with me from the get-go
887
00:36:20,546 --> 00:36:22,345
'cause I love the person that
you are.
888
00:36:22,414 --> 00:36:24,381
Like, I love the way we talk.
889
00:36:24,449 --> 00:36:25,949
I love the way we laugh,
the music.
890
00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:28,518
But...
[sighs]
891
00:36:28,587 --> 00:36:33,190
The scamming thousands of men,
that really scares me
892
00:36:33,258 --> 00:36:35,358
because it's like,
893
00:36:35,427 --> 00:36:38,562
almost like lying has
become easy to you.
894
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:40,864
And so--
895
00:36:40,933 --> 00:36:45,402
not the way you look,
896
00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:47,070
but the fact of all the lying
897
00:36:47,139 --> 00:36:51,241
has made me feel
less attracted towards you.
898
00:36:51,310 --> 00:36:53,710
And that--that's really--
899
00:36:53,779 --> 00:36:56,246
that--that's really hurt me.
900
00:36:56,315 --> 00:36:57,814
- I think
that's understandable.
901
00:36:57,883 --> 00:36:59,249
And I'm sorry.
902
00:36:59,318 --> 00:37:02,285
- And I forgive you.
903
00:37:02,354 --> 00:37:06,089
I'm just--just really hurt.
904
00:37:06,158 --> 00:37:08,091
♪ ♪
905
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,093
[sighs]
906
00:37:10,162 --> 00:37:12,429
Still, after all this,
I don't want to block you.
907
00:37:12,497 --> 00:37:16,466
I don't want to kick you out of
my life or nothing.
908
00:37:16,535 --> 00:37:19,069
I think we could be friends.
909
00:37:19,137 --> 00:37:21,972
And if you're having
these problems with depression
910
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,775
or anything like that,
I'll be there for you.
911
00:37:25,844 --> 00:37:26,910
- Same to you.
912
00:37:26,979 --> 00:37:30,180
- And I appreciate that.
913
00:37:30,249 --> 00:37:32,449
- This is a good place
to leave it.
914
00:37:32,517 --> 00:37:34,484
We'll say goodbye
and we'll head out.
915
00:37:34,553 --> 00:37:36,987
♪ ♪
916
00:37:37,055 --> 00:37:39,923
- Thank you.
- Yes, ma'am.
917
00:37:39,992 --> 00:37:41,858
♪ ♪
918
00:37:41,927 --> 00:37:43,627
- I look forward to building
our friendship.
919
00:37:43,695 --> 00:37:45,795
- For sure. Me too.
920
00:37:45,864 --> 00:37:46,796
- All right, well, look.
921
00:37:46,865 --> 00:37:49,966
You are a good person.
922
00:37:50,035 --> 00:37:52,535
And you've been through
some [bleep].
923
00:37:52,604 --> 00:37:54,704
I don't think you are someone
that wants to
924
00:37:54,773 --> 00:37:57,040
or looks for opportunities to
take advantage of people.
925
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:58,842
You made mistakes,
and I feel hopeful
926
00:37:58,910 --> 00:38:00,610
that's all now in your past.
927
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:02,812
So I just don't want you to
think that somehow
928
00:38:02,881 --> 00:38:06,483
we see you as this, like, dark,
evil person,
929
00:38:06,551 --> 00:38:08,018
'cause you're very clearly not.
930
00:38:08,086 --> 00:38:09,185
- Thank you.
931
00:38:09,254 --> 00:38:10,720
- And you deserve good things.
932
00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:12,489
- Yeah, and you do.
You really do.
933
00:38:12,557 --> 00:38:13,623
- Yeah.
934
00:38:13,692 --> 00:38:14,791
♪ ♪
935
00:38:14,860 --> 00:38:16,826
- It was nice meeting you.
- You too.
936
00:38:16,895 --> 00:38:18,028
- It was good to meet you.
937
00:38:18,096 --> 00:38:19,329
- Appreciate y'all.
938
00:38:19,398 --> 00:38:20,430
- Take care of yourself.
939
00:38:20,499 --> 00:38:23,366
- You're so pretty.
- Oh, so are you.
940
00:38:23,435 --> 00:38:25,135
- It was nice meeting you.
- You too.
941
00:38:25,203 --> 00:38:27,203
- Y'all be safe.
- We will.
942
00:38:27,272 --> 00:38:28,605
- Thanks for having me over.
943
00:38:28,674 --> 00:38:30,473
- Thank you.
944
00:38:30,542 --> 00:38:34,844
- ♪ Life became an ocean
that I'm sinking in ♪
945
00:38:34,913 --> 00:38:36,546
♪ ♪
946
00:38:36,615 --> 00:38:38,315
- Well?
947
00:38:38,383 --> 00:38:39,649
What's next for you?
948
00:38:39,718 --> 00:38:42,719
- ♪ To a never-ending
sad song ♪
949
00:38:42,788 --> 00:38:45,989
- I guess I'll just
go back out there and see
950
00:38:46,058 --> 00:38:50,226
what's out there for me
and stuff like that, but...
951
00:38:50,295 --> 00:38:53,263
[sighs]
Maybe stay off Facebook Dating.
952
00:38:53,332 --> 00:38:56,499
- I have a feeling
you're gonna be just fine.
953
00:38:56,568 --> 00:38:58,435
- I really appreciate that,
man.
954
00:38:58,503 --> 00:38:59,903
That was really solid.
955
00:38:59,971 --> 00:39:01,738
- ♪ Turn back time ♪
956
00:39:01,807 --> 00:39:05,041
♪ ♪
957
00:39:05,110 --> 00:39:06,910
- Sup?
- Hey!
958
00:39:06,978 --> 00:39:08,078
- Hey, William.
959
00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:09,145
- What's up, Will?
- What's up?
960
00:39:09,214 --> 00:39:12,048
- Anything from Carmella
since we saw you?
961
00:39:12,117 --> 00:39:14,551
- Uh,
so we've remained friends.
962
00:39:14,619 --> 00:39:16,286
And we talk occasionally.
963
00:39:16,355 --> 00:39:19,356
But we don't talk
nearly as much as we used to.
964
00:39:19,424 --> 00:39:20,623
- That's understandable.
965
00:39:20,692 --> 00:39:23,059
There's no flirtation or
romance there anymore
966
00:39:23,128 --> 00:39:24,427
or is there?
- No.
967
00:39:24,496 --> 00:39:26,996
- And is that on your part
or is that on her part?
968
00:39:27,065 --> 00:39:28,298
- I would say
a little bit of both.
969
00:39:28,367 --> 00:39:29,599
- You guys are cool?
- Yep.
970
00:39:29,668 --> 00:39:32,535
- And what about you?
Have you met anyone else?
971
00:39:32,604 --> 00:39:34,537
- I've went on a few dates.
972
00:39:34,606 --> 00:39:36,172
But I'm kinda just playing
the field,
973
00:39:36,241 --> 00:39:37,741
seeing where it takes me.
974
00:39:37,809 --> 00:39:40,310
Wanna make sure I make
the right choice this time.
975
00:39:40,379 --> 00:39:42,779
- Play the field,
date around, enjoy.
976
00:39:42,848 --> 00:39:44,647
- All right,
well, nice to see you.
977
00:39:44,716 --> 00:39:45,882
- Nice to see y'all too.
978
00:39:45,951 --> 00:39:47,283
- Bye.
- Y'all have a good one.
979
00:39:47,352 --> 00:39:48,718
Nice talking to y'all.
980
00:39:48,787 --> 00:39:50,920
- Hey!
- Hi, Carmella girl.
981
00:39:50,989 --> 00:39:52,389
- How are y'all?
- What's up?
982
00:39:52,457 --> 00:39:54,124
- We're good. How are you?
983
00:39:54,192 --> 00:39:55,291
- Um, things are good.
984
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,193
I've just honestly
been chilling,
985
00:39:57,262 --> 00:39:58,728
staying off social media.
986
00:39:58,797 --> 00:40:00,463
I actually deleted
my accounts.
987
00:40:00,532 --> 00:40:01,731
- Well, that's a huge deal.
988
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,434
- You had a lot of accounts.
- Yeah. [laughs]
989
00:40:04,503 --> 00:40:06,636
I just kind of, you know,
reflected afterwards
990
00:40:06,705 --> 00:40:08,438
and realized
just 'cause someone hurt me,
991
00:40:08,507 --> 00:40:10,607
I don't have to go out
and hurt other people.
992
00:40:10,675 --> 00:40:12,008
- Yeah.
993
00:40:12,077 --> 00:40:14,177
- I think this was definitely
a step forward, for sure.
994
00:40:14,246 --> 00:40:15,979
- Are you dating,
seeing anyone?
995
00:40:16,047 --> 00:40:17,947
- Um, not right now, no.
996
00:40:18,016 --> 00:40:20,150
At this point,
I need to just worry about
997
00:40:20,218 --> 00:40:21,618
getting myself together.
998
00:40:21,686 --> 00:40:23,820
- Well, we really enjoyed
meeting you.
999
00:40:23,889 --> 00:40:26,756
Hopefully this experience has
course-corrected you towards
1000
00:40:26,825 --> 00:40:29,092
a happier version of yourself.
1001
00:40:29,161 --> 00:40:31,127
- Thank you.
I really appreciate you guys.
1002
00:40:31,196 --> 00:40:33,329
- I like the side pone.
1003
00:40:33,398 --> 00:40:34,697
Cute.
- [laughs]
1004
00:40:34,766 --> 00:40:37,100
- Bye, Carmella. Thank you.
- Yeah, nice to see you.
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- Bye. Good seeing you.
- Bye.