1 00:00:02,703 --> 00:00:05,037 I felt, like, an instant connection, like it had been 2 00:00:05,106 --> 00:00:06,672 someone I've been talking to for, like, years. 3 00:00:06,741 --> 00:00:08,073 - What is she hiding? 4 00:00:08,142 --> 00:00:11,910 What is this big lie that she's so afraid to tell him? 5 00:00:11,979 --> 00:00:13,212 [phone chimes] both: Oh. 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:14,980 - Wow, she just sent a picture. 7 00:00:15,049 --> 00:00:16,482 It's a picture of her. 8 00:00:16,550 --> 00:00:18,851 "Nev and Kamie, I'm real." - Oh, my God. 9 00:00:18,919 --> 00:00:20,586 [doorbell rings] 10 00:00:20,654 --> 00:00:23,589 [suspenseful music] 11 00:00:23,657 --> 00:00:25,290 Ooh! 12 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:26,358 - Hi. 13 00:00:26,427 --> 00:00:27,760 - Hello. 14 00:00:27,828 --> 00:00:30,162 [dramatic musical sting] 15 00:00:30,464 --> 00:00:33,332 - All right. - Everyone was sick. 16 00:00:33,401 --> 00:00:34,867 - On the last episode, 17 00:00:34,935 --> 00:00:37,636 someone had a cold or whatever. - We were compromised. 18 00:00:37,705 --> 00:00:40,339 - And it just tore through the crew. 19 00:00:40,408 --> 00:00:41,440 - But we're on the mend. 20 00:00:41,509 --> 00:00:44,143 - Neither cold nor flu 21 00:00:44,211 --> 00:00:46,845 nor cough nor snot... - Mm-hmm. 22 00:00:46,914 --> 00:00:49,515 - Shall keep these catfish catchers 23 00:00:49,583 --> 00:00:51,216 from their appointed rounds. 24 00:00:51,285 --> 00:00:52,651 - Let's do it. [both clap] 25 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,019 - Woo! 26 00:00:54,088 --> 00:00:56,155 We got an email here. 27 00:00:56,223 --> 00:01:00,292 "Dear Nev and Kamie, my name is William. 28 00:01:00,361 --> 00:01:04,329 "I'm a roofing contractor living in Jonesboro, Arkansas. 29 00:01:04,398 --> 00:01:07,566 "I've been talking to this girl named Carmella 30 00:01:07,635 --> 00:01:09,201 "for about three months now. 31 00:01:09,270 --> 00:01:12,538 She lives about two hours from me in Little Rock." 32 00:01:12,606 --> 00:01:14,206 - ♪ So you want me to come too ♪ 33 00:01:14,275 --> 00:01:15,707 - "We met on Facebook Dating. 34 00:01:15,776 --> 00:01:18,877 "And then we exchanged phone numbers and we started texting, 35 00:01:18,946 --> 00:01:21,280 and then calling every day." 36 00:01:21,348 --> 00:01:27,052 - ♪ What I need is for you to come closer to me ♪ 37 00:01:27,121 --> 00:01:29,922 ♪ Can you give me some more clarity ♪ 38 00:01:29,990 --> 00:01:32,558 - "I'm constantly laughing and in a good mood 39 00:01:32,626 --> 00:01:33,625 when we're talking." 40 00:01:33,694 --> 00:01:35,861 This is what I felt like when I met Laura. 41 00:01:35,930 --> 00:01:37,663 - Aww. 42 00:01:37,731 --> 00:01:40,699 - "She makes me feel confident about myself, 43 00:01:40,768 --> 00:01:42,134 "not just my appearance, 44 00:01:42,203 --> 00:01:44,837 "but even if I'm having trouble at work or in life. 45 00:01:44,905 --> 00:01:49,174 "Even though we have yet to meet, our feelings have grown 46 00:01:49,243 --> 00:01:51,710 "stronger and stronger for each other. 47 00:01:51,779 --> 00:01:55,380 "However, she says that because of past relationships, 48 00:01:55,449 --> 00:01:57,850 "she's scared to meet in person. 49 00:01:57,918 --> 00:02:00,919 "Any time I try to FaceTime, she always has an excuse. 50 00:02:00,988 --> 00:02:03,422 If I bring it up too much, she can get upset." 51 00:02:03,491 --> 00:02:05,190 - ♪ Can you tell me how you feel ♪ 52 00:02:05,259 --> 00:02:07,626 ♪ 'Cause I don't know how you feel ♪ 53 00:02:07,695 --> 00:02:10,562 - "So I've tried to be patient and wait, 54 00:02:10,631 --> 00:02:12,931 "but at this point it's been three months. 55 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,002 "I'm writing you to ask for your help to meet her. 56 00:02:17,071 --> 00:02:18,470 "I feel like with a third party there 57 00:02:18,539 --> 00:02:21,006 "she'll feel more safe meeting me. 58 00:02:21,075 --> 00:02:23,609 "I just want to show her how much I care about her 59 00:02:23,677 --> 00:02:26,445 and finally meet her. William." 60 00:02:27,982 --> 00:02:31,316 All right. Well, sounds like we are needed. 61 00:02:31,385 --> 00:02:33,886 See that? It's the cat signal. 62 00:02:33,954 --> 00:02:36,255 The catfish logo is in the sky. - Yes. 63 00:02:36,323 --> 00:02:37,723 - Let's call him up. 64 00:02:37,791 --> 00:02:40,092 [line trilling] 65 00:02:41,395 --> 00:02:42,494 - Hello, William. 66 00:02:42,563 --> 00:02:45,164 This is Nev and Kamie. - Hey, William. 67 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,267 - How are things in Jonesboro? 68 00:02:52,706 --> 00:02:54,206 - So OK, so Carmella, 69 00:02:54,275 --> 00:02:56,241 would you say that like you guys are 70 00:02:56,310 --> 00:02:57,843 fully dating at this point? 71 00:03:04,685 --> 00:03:06,051 - Mm. 72 00:03:10,491 --> 00:03:11,523 - Right. 73 00:03:18,566 --> 00:03:19,565 - Yeah. 74 00:03:21,268 --> 00:03:22,801 - Should we meet in Jonesboro 75 00:03:22,870 --> 00:03:24,036 or should we meet in Little Rock? 76 00:03:24,104 --> 00:03:26,338 Just--she says she's in Little Rock, right? 77 00:03:27,775 --> 00:03:29,708 - All right, great. So we'll fly to Little Rock. 78 00:03:29,777 --> 00:03:30,809 And we'll figure out a place to meet. 79 00:03:30,878 --> 00:03:32,511 And we'll see you soon. 80 00:03:33,747 --> 00:03:35,514 - See you soon, William. 81 00:03:36,350 --> 00:03:38,450 - He doesn't think that there's anything fishy 82 00:03:38,519 --> 00:03:40,452 about this relationship but he called us? 83 00:03:40,521 --> 00:03:43,522 - Yeah. - It's a bad sign. Red flag. 84 00:03:43,591 --> 00:03:45,857 - Look, the question here is, 85 00:03:45,926 --> 00:03:49,027 does Carmella want 86 00:03:49,096 --> 00:03:50,963 William to put a roof over her head 87 00:03:51,031 --> 00:03:53,599 or is William living under a Little Rock? 88 00:03:53,667 --> 00:03:55,234 - Let's go, please. 89 00:03:56,070 --> 00:03:58,870 - ♪ I'm running ♪ 90 00:03:58,939 --> 00:04:02,841 ♪ I don't know why ♪ 91 00:04:02,910 --> 00:04:05,477 - So here we are, Little Rock, Arkansas. 92 00:04:05,546 --> 00:04:08,046 We're meeting William... - Mm-hmm. 93 00:04:08,115 --> 00:04:10,682 - Who lives a couple hours outside of Little Rock. 94 00:04:10,751 --> 00:04:12,150 - Yes. - But has agreed 95 00:04:12,219 --> 00:04:15,287 to meet us in town, here, at his friend's house. 96 00:04:15,356 --> 00:04:17,089 For three months, he's been talking to 97 00:04:17,157 --> 00:04:18,724 this girl, Carmella. 98 00:04:18,792 --> 00:04:20,726 But Carmella claims to have had 99 00:04:20,794 --> 00:04:22,761 bad experiences in the past with men, 100 00:04:22,830 --> 00:04:24,363 which has kept her from 101 00:04:24,431 --> 00:04:27,299 making the time or effort to come see William. 102 00:04:27,368 --> 00:04:28,734 - I'm not buying it. 103 00:04:28,802 --> 00:04:31,036 - Which, yeah, doesn't sound very convincing. 104 00:04:31,105 --> 00:04:36,074 - ♪ And don't look back ♪ 105 00:04:36,143 --> 00:04:37,175 - Well, we made it. 106 00:04:37,244 --> 00:04:40,512 - ♪ Don't look back ♪ 107 00:04:40,581 --> 00:04:41,913 ♪ ♪ 108 00:04:41,982 --> 00:04:43,582 - Oop. William. - Hello, hello. 109 00:04:43,651 --> 00:04:45,584 - What's up, man? - Wow. What's up, man? 110 00:04:45,653 --> 00:04:46,685 - How are you? - Good. 111 00:04:46,754 --> 00:04:47,986 - Hi, William. - Hello. 112 00:04:48,055 --> 00:04:49,388 - Y'all, go ahead and come in. - Still raining. 113 00:04:49,456 --> 00:04:51,757 - Get out of that rain, ma'am. - Thank you. 114 00:04:51,825 --> 00:04:54,459 [grunts] - Oh. 115 00:04:54,528 --> 00:04:57,162 - I just wanted to say I appreciate your outfit. 116 00:04:57,231 --> 00:04:59,031 I like that you wore a pink shirt, 117 00:04:59,099 --> 00:05:01,400 you got your diamonds. - For sure. 118 00:05:01,468 --> 00:05:03,035 I'm a little bit different than your-- 119 00:05:03,103 --> 00:05:04,870 your average country boy, for sure. 120 00:05:04,938 --> 00:05:06,238 - Yeah. All right, so look. 121 00:05:06,307 --> 00:05:08,874 Let's talk about Carmella. - Yes. 122 00:05:08,942 --> 00:05:11,743 - Tell us the whole...story. - The whole story. 123 00:05:11,812 --> 00:05:16,715 So about three months ago, we matched on Facebook Dating. 124 00:05:16,784 --> 00:05:19,251 I actually remember seeing her picture and thinking, 125 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,819 "dang, she's bad." 126 00:05:20,888 --> 00:05:22,721 And I thought, she'll never match with me. 127 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:24,222 But no, I'm gonna go ahead and swipe right. 128 00:05:24,291 --> 00:05:25,390 And then like the next day, 129 00:05:25,459 --> 00:05:27,326 she had swiped right too and we matched. 130 00:05:27,394 --> 00:05:28,593 And I was like, OK, well you know, 131 00:05:28,662 --> 00:05:29,928 I'm gonna message her now. 132 00:05:29,997 --> 00:05:31,596 So then I went ahead and messaged her, 133 00:05:31,665 --> 00:05:33,231 "hey, how are you?" Something like that. 134 00:05:33,300 --> 00:05:35,934 She had a Snapchat. So I added her on Snap. 135 00:05:36,003 --> 00:05:39,137 We talked on there for about a month. 136 00:05:39,206 --> 00:05:40,739 She sent me pictures. You know, of course, 137 00:05:40,808 --> 00:05:42,174 I still thought she was beautiful. 138 00:05:42,242 --> 00:05:43,408 So I asked her out. 139 00:05:43,477 --> 00:05:45,477 She told me, "I'm just not really ready 140 00:05:45,546 --> 00:05:46,778 "for something like that. 141 00:05:46,847 --> 00:05:48,447 Give me a couple of weeks and maybe I will be." 142 00:05:48,515 --> 00:05:50,749 And I said, OK. 143 00:05:50,818 --> 00:05:53,618 And then as we were talking, she kind of-- 144 00:05:53,687 --> 00:05:55,654 telling me how she was feeling depressed and stuff. 145 00:05:55,723 --> 00:05:57,356 It just kind of hurt my heart 'cause I've-- 146 00:05:57,424 --> 00:05:58,790 I've been there before. 147 00:05:58,859 --> 00:06:00,225 Like, I went through depression in my life 148 00:06:00,294 --> 00:06:01,460 so, like I understand. 149 00:06:01,528 --> 00:06:02,761 It's always good to have someone to talk to. 150 00:06:02,830 --> 00:06:04,563 So I was like, "Hey, what's your number? 151 00:06:04,631 --> 00:06:06,465 We should call sometime." 152 00:06:06,533 --> 00:06:07,933 'Cause I was like, you know, maybe she ain't ready to 153 00:06:08,001 --> 00:06:09,835 go out on a date, but maybe she'll be cool with talking. 154 00:06:09,903 --> 00:06:13,372 And she said, "Yeah, for sure." So she sent me her number. 155 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,006 And we immediately called each other. 156 00:06:15,075 --> 00:06:18,076 And that night, I called her about 10:00 p.m. 157 00:06:18,145 --> 00:06:19,978 And we stayed on the phone till about 5:00 a.m. 158 00:06:20,047 --> 00:06:21,179 - Wow. 159 00:06:21,248 --> 00:06:22,948 - Maybe within like five minutes, 160 00:06:23,016 --> 00:06:25,484 I felt like an instant connection, like it had been 161 00:06:25,552 --> 00:06:27,919 someone I've been talking to for, like, years. 162 00:06:27,988 --> 00:06:30,355 And that kind of became a nightly routine. 163 00:06:30,424 --> 00:06:33,458 Like, I like talking to her so much that, like, 164 00:06:33,527 --> 00:06:34,893 when I'm having a bad day at work, like, 165 00:06:34,962 --> 00:06:36,428 that's what I want to do. Like, I want to go home. 166 00:06:36,497 --> 00:06:38,330 I want to call her. I want to talk to her. 167 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:39,765 She'll hype me up. 168 00:06:39,833 --> 00:06:42,167 But I've never really felt like in life, like, 169 00:06:42,236 --> 00:06:43,835 I had someone that, like, cared about me 170 00:06:43,904 --> 00:06:45,804 the way that she has. 171 00:06:45,873 --> 00:06:46,972 - Wow. 172 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,674 What about her anxiety and depression? 173 00:06:49,743 --> 00:06:51,410 Has she opened up to you about, like, 174 00:06:51,478 --> 00:06:52,544 what has been the cause of that? 175 00:06:52,613 --> 00:06:54,813 - She hasn't said directly, 176 00:06:54,882 --> 00:06:58,150 but I feel like it's from past relationships. 177 00:06:58,218 --> 00:07:02,154 I know that like, she's scared to just meet up with people. 178 00:07:02,222 --> 00:07:04,055 And like any time--'cause I've been trying to meet up 179 00:07:04,124 --> 00:07:05,157 for, you know, months. 180 00:07:05,225 --> 00:07:06,691 But I've also tried to be understanding 181 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,060 'cause you know, you don't know everyone's battle 182 00:07:09,129 --> 00:07:10,162 and what they're going through. 183 00:07:10,230 --> 00:07:12,063 So I'm trying to be there for her. 184 00:07:12,132 --> 00:07:13,832 I can't be there for her if she won't let me. 185 00:07:13,901 --> 00:07:15,600 - Yeah. - And so, 186 00:07:15,669 --> 00:07:17,402 if I bring it up too much though, she'll get mad 187 00:07:17,471 --> 00:07:18,970 and we'll get into, like, an argument. 188 00:07:19,039 --> 00:07:22,174 She may delete me on everything, block me. 189 00:07:22,242 --> 00:07:23,675 - She's done that? - Yeah. 190 00:07:23,744 --> 00:07:26,378 And then, like, within like an hour, 191 00:07:26,447 --> 00:07:27,546 she'll go ahead and call me and be like, 192 00:07:27,614 --> 00:07:29,047 "Babe, you know I just get upset. 193 00:07:29,116 --> 00:07:31,283 "You know I wasn't gonna keep you blocked or nothing. 194 00:07:31,351 --> 00:07:32,417 I'm sorry." 195 00:07:32,486 --> 00:07:33,985 - So she's not ready to meet up. 196 00:07:34,054 --> 00:07:35,520 But why not FaceTime? 197 00:07:35,589 --> 00:07:38,256 - With the FaceTime, she'll usually say something like, 198 00:07:38,325 --> 00:07:40,192 well, I don't have my makeup done, 199 00:07:40,260 --> 00:07:41,793 or my hair's not done. 200 00:07:41,862 --> 00:07:44,196 And it's like, I'm not that judgmental. 201 00:07:44,264 --> 00:07:46,898 I like talking to you, not your makeup. 202 00:07:46,967 --> 00:07:49,267 - But to be afraid to FaceTime with someone 203 00:07:49,336 --> 00:07:51,703 that you're talking to three times a day 204 00:07:51,772 --> 00:07:53,338 and all through the night... - Right. 205 00:07:53,407 --> 00:07:55,907 - You have to admit something is-- 206 00:07:55,976 --> 00:07:57,275 - I mean, it's definitely sus. 207 00:07:57,344 --> 00:07:59,244 I mean, we've been talking for three months. 208 00:07:59,313 --> 00:08:02,180 And she tells me she has all these feelings for me, 209 00:08:02,249 --> 00:08:03,415 but she doesn't want to meet. 210 00:08:03,484 --> 00:08:06,885 Like, you can only wait for so long. 211 00:08:06,954 --> 00:08:08,086 - Yeah. 212 00:08:08,155 --> 00:08:09,321 Well, especially since you're not that 213 00:08:09,389 --> 00:08:10,956 far away from each other. - Right. 214 00:08:11,024 --> 00:08:13,425 - I want to see the pictures. 215 00:08:14,828 --> 00:08:16,561 - Ooh. 216 00:08:16,630 --> 00:08:18,430 Oh, she's sultry. 217 00:08:18,499 --> 00:08:19,698 She's a sultry girl. 218 00:08:19,766 --> 00:08:22,100 - Oh. - Mm-hmm. 219 00:08:22,169 --> 00:08:25,003 I don't know about some of these, William. 220 00:08:25,072 --> 00:08:29,641 She does cover the face in the body pictures. 221 00:08:29,710 --> 00:08:31,743 Some of the body ones look like 222 00:08:31,812 --> 00:08:34,479 they could be different brunette girls. 223 00:08:34,548 --> 00:08:36,781 - Hard to say. - It's hard to say. 224 00:08:36,850 --> 00:08:39,117 - And Carmella, what is her background? 225 00:08:39,186 --> 00:08:40,519 - It's not an Arkansas name. 226 00:08:40,587 --> 00:08:43,622 - She's--that's one of those things 227 00:08:43,690 --> 00:08:45,290 I don't feel like it's my spot to tell, 228 00:08:45,359 --> 00:08:48,326 but she's transgender. both: Oh. 229 00:08:48,395 --> 00:08:49,594 - That's why her name is like that, 230 00:08:49,663 --> 00:08:51,563 'cause she made her name. She legally changed it. 231 00:08:51,632 --> 00:08:52,964 - OK. - Got it. 232 00:08:53,033 --> 00:08:54,866 You should have just said that from the beginning. 233 00:08:54,935 --> 00:08:57,602 - OK. Well, you know, so I like cis women, 234 00:08:57,671 --> 00:08:59,037 but I also like trans women. 235 00:08:59,106 --> 00:09:00,805 Like, I'm attracted to like the feminine side, 236 00:09:00,874 --> 00:09:03,975 like, long, pretty hair, makeup, nails. 237 00:09:04,044 --> 00:09:05,043 - You're a lover of women. 238 00:09:05,112 --> 00:09:06,344 - Like I said, I just didn't know 239 00:09:06,413 --> 00:09:07,612 if that's my spot to tell. 240 00:09:07,681 --> 00:09:09,147 - It's understandable. 241 00:09:09,216 --> 00:09:11,550 And--and it shouldn't make any difference. 242 00:09:11,618 --> 00:09:13,485 But I do think in this context... 243 00:09:13,554 --> 00:09:14,819 - It might, right. - It does. 244 00:09:14,888 --> 00:09:16,121 - Mm. - 'Cause, like, 245 00:09:16,189 --> 00:09:19,291 that would explain why someone in her situation 246 00:09:19,359 --> 00:09:21,359 might be more hesitant. 247 00:09:21,428 --> 00:09:25,397 - She's concerned about her safety, rightfully so, 248 00:09:25,465 --> 00:09:27,465 in meeting somebody off the internet. 249 00:09:27,534 --> 00:09:28,733 Obviously... - It can be scary. 250 00:09:28,802 --> 00:09:31,336 - You have people who fetishize trans women, 251 00:09:31,405 --> 00:09:34,205 and that can also be weird and scary. 252 00:09:34,274 --> 00:09:36,308 But at the same time, she still might not be 253 00:09:36,376 --> 00:09:38,977 the girl in the pics, right? 254 00:09:39,046 --> 00:09:40,245 - Right. 255 00:09:40,314 --> 00:09:42,981 - What if she's not the person in the photos? 256 00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:45,250 - Like, you know, when you're building a relationship, 257 00:09:45,319 --> 00:09:47,052 you want to build it on trust and loyalty. 258 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,354 And it's hard to build trust if someone's been lying to you 259 00:09:49,423 --> 00:09:50,989 for three months. - Right. 260 00:09:51,058 --> 00:09:54,693 - But you know, she could be telling the truth. 261 00:09:54,761 --> 00:09:57,028 I want to be with her. I really like her. 262 00:09:58,398 --> 00:10:00,732 - All right, well, email us whatever you have, 263 00:10:00,801 --> 00:10:02,968 her social media accounts, her phone number. 264 00:10:03,036 --> 00:10:04,169 - Got you. 265 00:10:04,237 --> 00:10:05,470 - And then we'll figure out a plan. 266 00:10:05,539 --> 00:10:06,838 - Appreciate it, man. 267 00:10:06,907 --> 00:10:08,540 - All right, man. 268 00:10:08,609 --> 00:10:10,508 Woo! - Wow! 269 00:10:10,577 --> 00:10:11,876 - Y'all be safe out there. 270 00:10:11,945 --> 00:10:13,244 - Let me tell you something, William. 271 00:10:13,313 --> 00:10:14,713 This better be the girl in the pictures 272 00:10:14,781 --> 00:10:18,450 'cause I am not risking my hair for this. 273 00:10:18,518 --> 00:10:21,519 - Totally gonna be worth it. - It better be! 274 00:10:21,588 --> 00:10:23,355 [rain pouring] 275 00:10:23,423 --> 00:10:24,489 Go, Nev! - All right. 276 00:10:24,558 --> 00:10:26,057 - Y'all be careful out there. Be safe. 277 00:10:26,126 --> 00:10:28,893 - Oh! Oh, my God. 278 00:10:28,962 --> 00:10:32,897 - There aren't a lot of things that would explain and justify 279 00:10:32,966 --> 00:10:35,100 Carmella's behavior... - Mm-hmm. 280 00:10:35,168 --> 00:10:38,103 - As effectively as her being trans. 281 00:10:38,171 --> 00:10:40,705 - But could there be something else that 282 00:10:40,774 --> 00:10:42,140 she's lying to William about? 283 00:10:42,209 --> 00:10:45,543 - She could still be lying about the photos. 284 00:10:45,612 --> 00:10:48,613 - Mm-hmm. I think that, William, he's a good egg. 285 00:10:48,682 --> 00:10:50,582 I think he's been so patient with her. 286 00:10:50,651 --> 00:10:53,518 - Yeah, he trusts her. They talk every day. 287 00:10:53,587 --> 00:10:55,887 And if Carmella has been lying to him, 288 00:10:55,956 --> 00:10:58,256 it's going to be devastating. 289 00:10:58,325 --> 00:10:59,391 - Feeling good today. 290 00:10:59,459 --> 00:11:02,293 Thanks. Woo! 291 00:11:02,362 --> 00:11:04,429 Back to work. 292 00:11:04,498 --> 00:11:05,797 How are you feeling today? 293 00:11:05,866 --> 00:11:07,165 - I think a little better. 294 00:11:07,234 --> 00:11:10,235 - I think we're on the mend. - Let's get into it. 295 00:11:10,303 --> 00:11:14,539 William has been talking to Carmella for three months, 296 00:11:14,608 --> 00:11:16,841 heavy talking. On the phone... - Big talk. 297 00:11:16,910 --> 00:11:17,976 - Pretty much every day. 298 00:11:18,045 --> 00:11:19,511 - Carmella says she's trans. 299 00:11:19,579 --> 00:11:21,312 And through her experience, 300 00:11:21,381 --> 00:11:24,949 she's dealt with some things that have made her feel unsafe 301 00:11:25,018 --> 00:11:26,685 with meeting up with people, strangers, 302 00:11:26,753 --> 00:11:28,086 that she's met online. 303 00:11:28,155 --> 00:11:30,388 And William understands that, which I think is great. 304 00:11:30,457 --> 00:11:32,924 But at the same time, why not video chat? 305 00:11:32,993 --> 00:11:34,793 - Right. The question now is, 306 00:11:34,861 --> 00:11:37,495 is Carmella the girl in the pictures 307 00:11:37,564 --> 00:11:39,097 where we see her face, 308 00:11:39,166 --> 00:11:41,099 and is the girl in the pictures where 309 00:11:41,168 --> 00:11:43,301 we don't see her face the same girl? 310 00:11:43,370 --> 00:11:45,637 - We are finding Carmella. 311 00:11:45,706 --> 00:11:47,906 She's real. She's the girl in pictures. 312 00:11:47,974 --> 00:11:50,575 - You're channeling good vibes, 313 00:11:50,644 --> 00:11:53,578 manifesting love. - ♪ Wonder love ♪ 314 00:11:53,647 --> 00:11:54,713 - All right, I am ready. 315 00:11:54,781 --> 00:11:56,414 We've got an email here from William. 316 00:11:56,483 --> 00:11:57,716 "Hey, Nev and Kamie. 317 00:11:57,784 --> 00:12:00,985 "Her full name, Carmella [bleep], 24. 318 00:12:01,054 --> 00:12:03,655 Here's her phone number, and here are her socials." 319 00:12:03,724 --> 00:12:05,523 Did he send the pictures? Oh, yeah. 320 00:12:05,592 --> 00:12:07,492 Let's just go through these. 321 00:12:07,561 --> 00:12:09,861 That's very filtered, right? 322 00:12:09,930 --> 00:12:12,697 - Yeah, I mean, she's definitely using filters. 323 00:12:12,766 --> 00:12:15,700 But who doesn't? - Yeah. 324 00:12:15,769 --> 00:12:17,902 - First off, is this really the same girl 325 00:12:17,971 --> 00:12:19,170 as the face shots? 326 00:12:19,239 --> 00:12:21,639 - In the mirror pics? - Yeah. 327 00:12:21,708 --> 00:12:22,674 - Look how different the phone is. 328 00:12:22,743 --> 00:12:24,375 - Oh, yeah. I mean-- 329 00:12:24,444 --> 00:12:25,577 - They're all-- all different phones. 330 00:12:25,645 --> 00:12:28,213 - Yeah. That is not the same girl. 331 00:12:28,281 --> 00:12:30,248 - The full mirror pics are almost certainly 332 00:12:30,317 --> 00:12:31,583 of different girls. - Yeah. 333 00:12:31,651 --> 00:12:33,084 I want to see the Instagram. 334 00:12:33,153 --> 00:12:36,354 - OK. Let's see this. 335 00:12:36,423 --> 00:12:38,089 OK, no posts. 336 00:12:38,158 --> 00:12:40,058 Carmella [bleep]. 337 00:12:40,127 --> 00:12:41,092 Is she tagged in anything? 338 00:12:41,161 --> 00:12:42,894 No, she's not tagged in anything. 339 00:12:42,963 --> 00:12:44,963 - She has like a TikTok and stuff linked on there. 340 00:12:46,199 --> 00:12:48,466 - No videos. - No videos. 341 00:12:48,535 --> 00:12:50,935 - We have a Facebook. 342 00:12:51,004 --> 00:12:53,204 She uses the same avatar. 343 00:12:53,273 --> 00:12:54,906 - No face, no trace. 344 00:12:54,975 --> 00:12:57,041 - We could run some photos. 345 00:12:57,110 --> 00:12:59,477 What do you think, this one? 346 00:12:59,546 --> 00:13:00,879 Not a hit. 347 00:13:00,947 --> 00:13:02,313 Let's try this next picture. 348 00:13:03,884 --> 00:13:05,283 No hits on these. 349 00:13:05,352 --> 00:13:07,152 - We didn't run the body ones though. 350 00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:08,887 - All right, let's run some of these. 351 00:13:08,955 --> 00:13:11,322 - Oh, right there! - Whoa, right there. 352 00:13:11,391 --> 00:13:13,625 Oh, my goodness! 353 00:13:13,693 --> 00:13:17,896 All right, so this is a picture on some Pinterest boards. 354 00:13:17,964 --> 00:13:19,697 I'm sure the other ones probably are too. 355 00:13:19,766 --> 00:13:22,834 Let's see. - Just as we suspected. 356 00:13:22,903 --> 00:13:25,270 - Check this one. 357 00:13:25,338 --> 00:13:26,437 Oh. - Right there. 358 00:13:26,506 --> 00:13:27,806 - There it is. 359 00:13:27,874 --> 00:13:30,809 All right, we now know Carmella is not the girl in 360 00:13:30,877 --> 00:13:34,279 the sort of full body, no face pictures that she sent. 361 00:13:34,347 --> 00:13:35,713 - Mm-hmm, yeah. - What else do we have? 362 00:13:35,782 --> 00:13:37,215 We have a phone number. I guess we could search that. 363 00:13:37,284 --> 00:13:38,516 Let's see. 364 00:13:39,986 --> 00:13:43,288 Little Rock, Arkansas, one potential owner, 365 00:13:43,356 --> 00:13:44,589 Carmella. 366 00:13:44,658 --> 00:13:46,825 OK. Well, that checks out. 367 00:13:46,893 --> 00:13:51,863 Let's just do a search for Carmella [bleep]. 368 00:13:53,667 --> 00:13:57,168 Here's a Twitter profile. There she is. 369 00:13:57,237 --> 00:13:58,937 Oh, there's the pic. 370 00:13:59,005 --> 00:13:59,971 William didn't send us this, 371 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,507 so I don't think he's seen this. 372 00:14:02,576 --> 00:14:05,043 This looks like her, same avatar. 373 00:14:05,111 --> 00:14:06,911 She talks about her anxiety a lot. 374 00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:09,280 I mean, why hide this from him though? 375 00:14:09,349 --> 00:14:10,348 - Mm-hmm. 376 00:14:10,417 --> 00:14:12,183 - This all sort of matches up. 377 00:14:12,252 --> 00:14:15,687 What is this, #edtwt? 378 00:14:15,755 --> 00:14:17,989 - It's got to be eating disorder Twitter. 379 00:14:18,058 --> 00:14:19,791 - Oh. 380 00:14:19,860 --> 00:14:21,693 Wow, she tweets about it a lot. - Mm-hmm. 381 00:14:21,761 --> 00:14:24,629 - It seems like Carmella is struggling with 382 00:14:24,698 --> 00:14:26,497 an eating disorder of some kind. 383 00:14:26,566 --> 00:14:30,001 - It makes sense if she's not feeling totally comfortable. 384 00:14:30,070 --> 00:14:31,803 She hasn't been feeling comfortable in her own skin 385 00:14:31,872 --> 00:14:33,371 for a while. 386 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,174 And it's hard to put yourself out there to meet somebody new 387 00:14:36,243 --> 00:14:38,376 when you yourself don't feel comfortable. 388 00:14:38,445 --> 00:14:40,311 - Right. I think we need to talk to William. 389 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:43,014 It's looking like Carmella is definitely named Carmella. 390 00:14:43,083 --> 00:14:44,849 - Right. - We can probably also trust 391 00:14:44,918 --> 00:14:47,018 that at least parts of her story, 392 00:14:47,087 --> 00:14:50,321 her being trans, her background, is also true. 393 00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:52,357 - Right. - What we can't prove 394 00:14:52,425 --> 00:14:53,625 is if she's the girl in the pictures. 395 00:14:53,693 --> 00:14:56,194 And I think we have to be somewhat suspicious of 396 00:14:56,263 --> 00:14:57,629 whether or not she is because 397 00:14:57,697 --> 00:15:00,164 we do know that the pictures she sent of her whole body 398 00:15:00,233 --> 00:15:01,332 where you can't see her face 399 00:15:01,401 --> 00:15:02,567 are definitely just off the internet. 400 00:15:02,636 --> 00:15:04,535 - Only thing we can't confirm is the face. 401 00:15:04,604 --> 00:15:06,371 - The face. - And William said 402 00:15:06,439 --> 00:15:08,039 he couldn't be in a relationship with her 403 00:15:08,108 --> 00:15:12,210 if she lied about something like that. 404 00:15:12,279 --> 00:15:14,145 [soft music] 405 00:15:14,214 --> 00:15:15,313 [knocking on door] 406 00:15:15,382 --> 00:15:16,314 - Hey. - What's up? 407 00:15:16,383 --> 00:15:17,315 How are y'all? - Hello. 408 00:15:17,384 --> 00:15:19,117 - Come on in. - Yes, sir. 409 00:15:19,185 --> 00:15:20,351 - Have a seat. 410 00:15:21,554 --> 00:15:23,988 - What's going on? - I'm feeling a hunnid. 411 00:15:24,057 --> 00:15:26,758 I'm interested in hearing what y'all found. 412 00:15:26,826 --> 00:15:28,526 - All right, well, look, let's just sort of get into it. 413 00:15:28,595 --> 00:15:30,328 First thing we did was we just looked through 414 00:15:30,397 --> 00:15:32,497 her social medias you sent us. - Ah. 415 00:15:32,565 --> 00:15:34,632 - There's nothing on much of them. 416 00:15:34,701 --> 00:15:36,134 - Right. - So we thought, OK, 417 00:15:36,202 --> 00:15:38,636 let's search her phone number. Let's see what comes back. 418 00:15:38,705 --> 00:15:41,039 And her phone number comes back registered to Carmella. 419 00:15:41,107 --> 00:15:43,274 So obviously, that seems good. 420 00:15:43,343 --> 00:15:45,576 Then we just googled her name. 421 00:15:45,645 --> 00:15:47,712 And we found a Twitter account. 422 00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:49,180 Did you know she had a Twitter page? 423 00:15:49,249 --> 00:15:51,482 - No, I don't have Twitter, so I never, like, got on it. 424 00:15:51,551 --> 00:15:52,850 - Got it. Well, she does. 425 00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:54,052 One thing that we noticed, 426 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,554 she talks a lot about disordered eating. 427 00:15:56,623 --> 00:16:00,525 And she specifically uses a hashtag, #edtwt, 428 00:16:00,593 --> 00:16:02,560 which is eating disorder Twitter. 429 00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:05,563 It's a community of people who are struggling with 430 00:16:05,632 --> 00:16:07,465 eating disorders and they kind of support each other. 431 00:16:07,534 --> 00:16:09,901 But has she ever talked to you about struggling with, 432 00:16:09,970 --> 00:16:11,836 or having previously had an eating disorder? 433 00:16:11,905 --> 00:16:14,505 - She talks about feeling bad for people like that. 434 00:16:14,574 --> 00:16:16,941 But she's never said like, "I personally have problems." 435 00:16:17,010 --> 00:16:19,978 - Seeing that, it also made sense to us 436 00:16:20,046 --> 00:16:21,646 if she is struggling with this, 437 00:16:21,715 --> 00:16:22,914 that's part of the reason 438 00:16:22,983 --> 00:16:24,582 why she hasn't wanted to meet up with you 439 00:16:24,651 --> 00:16:26,384 because she's still working through some things. 440 00:16:26,453 --> 00:16:29,454 - Dealing with these problems. Right. 441 00:16:29,522 --> 00:16:31,289 - Then what we did was 442 00:16:31,358 --> 00:16:35,193 we looked up pictures of her face. 443 00:16:36,496 --> 00:16:38,930 None of them came back with any direct hits. 444 00:16:38,999 --> 00:16:40,365 So that's good. 445 00:16:40,433 --> 00:16:42,867 However, when we do an image search 446 00:16:42,936 --> 00:16:45,937 for the pictures of her in the mirror, 447 00:16:46,006 --> 00:16:48,506 we do get hits. 448 00:16:50,410 --> 00:16:56,114 So this picture, we found on some Pinterest board. 449 00:16:56,182 --> 00:17:01,252 And this one on a bunch of websites. 450 00:17:01,321 --> 00:17:04,489 While we still can't prove the pictures of her face are her, 451 00:17:04,557 --> 00:17:08,893 we can't find that person anywhere else, 452 00:17:08,962 --> 00:17:15,900 but the pictures of her body are almost certainly not her. 453 00:17:19,706 --> 00:17:21,239 It looks as though 454 00:17:21,307 --> 00:17:23,508 pretty much everything you know about Carmella is true 455 00:17:23,576 --> 00:17:26,277 but she's not the person in the photos. 456 00:17:26,346 --> 00:17:29,113 [soft music] 457 00:17:29,182 --> 00:17:33,017 - I mean, you know, it kinda-- kinda makes me sad, you know? 458 00:17:33,086 --> 00:17:35,586 ♪ ♪ 459 00:17:35,655 --> 00:17:37,789 If she doesn't look the same, 460 00:17:37,857 --> 00:17:41,893 then I feel like, you know, she lied to me. 461 00:17:41,961 --> 00:17:45,029 You got to build a relationship on trust and loyalty. 462 00:17:45,098 --> 00:17:46,164 And you can't do that if someone's 463 00:17:46,232 --> 00:17:48,199 lying to you all the time. 464 00:17:48,268 --> 00:17:51,469 But still, I want to meet her. 465 00:17:51,538 --> 00:17:53,504 - So now, I mean, I guess our next thing is 466 00:17:53,573 --> 00:17:56,674 trying to delicately talk to her 467 00:17:56,743 --> 00:17:58,609 about meeting you in person. 468 00:17:58,678 --> 00:17:59,977 - This would be the time. 469 00:18:00,046 --> 00:18:02,113 - We should probably be a little delicate because 470 00:18:02,182 --> 00:18:04,015 you've tried to meet her a bunch of times already, 471 00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:06,250 and she's claimed to be too anxious. 472 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:08,219 I don't think our strategy needs to be 473 00:18:08,288 --> 00:18:10,021 to get her to come clean 474 00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:12,690 or tell some truth to us before meeting you. 475 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:14,125 It should just be, hey, we want to create 476 00:18:14,194 --> 00:18:16,894 a safe environment for you to feel comfortable 477 00:18:16,963 --> 00:18:18,329 - So she doesn't feel pressured and stuff. 478 00:18:18,398 --> 00:18:19,697 - Right. - Right. 479 00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:23,167 - So I guess I could just call and see if she picks up. 480 00:18:23,236 --> 00:18:29,207 [line trilling] 481 00:18:30,443 --> 00:18:32,410 - Hello. Is this Carmella? 482 00:18:33,580 --> 00:18:35,546 - Hey, Carmella. This is Nev from "Catfish." 483 00:18:35,615 --> 00:18:38,182 And I'm sitting here with your friend William. 484 00:18:38,251 --> 00:18:41,986 We are here because William was hoping that we could help 485 00:18:42,055 --> 00:18:45,590 create a scenario in which you would feel comfortable 486 00:18:45,658 --> 00:18:48,593 and safe to finally meet up with him. 487 00:18:55,535 --> 00:18:59,036 - He really just thought that our platform would be 488 00:18:59,105 --> 00:19:01,973 a good place for you guys to finally meet. 489 00:19:02,041 --> 00:19:04,375 And he was hoping that perhaps our assistance 490 00:19:04,444 --> 00:19:06,644 would make you feel more comfortable. 491 00:19:13,453 --> 00:19:17,021 - Wait. Is there like a specific reason you can't meet? 492 00:19:17,090 --> 00:19:20,258 Because we don't know everything, I guess, or--or-- 493 00:19:23,429 --> 00:19:24,962 - Right. 494 00:19:28,968 --> 00:19:30,168 - Totally understand that. 495 00:19:37,443 --> 00:19:39,043 - We're really more reaching out-- 496 00:19:40,113 --> 00:19:41,812 [call ends] 497 00:19:43,149 --> 00:19:44,382 - OK. 498 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:45,483 - If she's still Carmella, 499 00:19:45,552 --> 00:19:46,784 she says who she says she is, 500 00:19:46,853 --> 00:19:49,020 she just doesn't look exactly the same, 501 00:19:49,088 --> 00:19:51,088 then I feel like, you know, 502 00:19:51,157 --> 00:19:52,890 she may have to regain my trust, 503 00:19:52,959 --> 00:19:55,059 but it could still work. 504 00:19:55,128 --> 00:19:57,261 - I don't know, William. I wouldn't get my hopes up 505 00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:59,564 that she's telling the truth, you know? 506 00:19:59,632 --> 00:20:04,468 And there is a chance that you may never meet this girl. 507 00:20:04,537 --> 00:20:06,404 - Right. 508 00:20:06,472 --> 00:20:09,407 - Are you OK with that? 509 00:20:09,475 --> 00:20:11,909 - I've already spent three months and I really like her. 510 00:20:11,978 --> 00:20:13,511 I want to be with her, but I can't do it 511 00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:16,380 if she won't let me. 512 00:20:17,183 --> 00:20:18,883 So, you know, I kinda made my move. 513 00:20:18,952 --> 00:20:20,685 Now the ball's in her court. 514 00:20:20,753 --> 00:20:22,520 - If she is mostly telling the truth 515 00:20:22,589 --> 00:20:24,121 but she isn't ready, 516 00:20:24,190 --> 00:20:25,656 will you wait? 517 00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:28,259 Or do you think you'll have to kind of open yourself up 518 00:20:28,328 --> 00:20:30,094 to meeting someone else? - Moving on? 519 00:20:30,163 --> 00:20:33,130 I like her but I can't force somebody 520 00:20:33,199 --> 00:20:35,066 to meet me or be with me. - Right. 521 00:20:35,134 --> 00:20:37,201 [phone chimes] both: Oh. 522 00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:39,437 Wow, she just sent a picture. 523 00:20:39,505 --> 00:20:41,405 It's a picture of her. 524 00:20:41,474 --> 00:20:44,675 "Nev and Kamie, I am real. Heart, Carmella." 525 00:20:44,744 --> 00:20:45,776 - What? 526 00:20:45,845 --> 00:20:47,578 - Oh, my God. It's her! 527 00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:51,382 [phone chimes] both: Oh. 528 00:20:51,451 --> 00:20:52,516 - She just sent a picture of her. 529 00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:55,152 "I'm real. Heart, Carmella." - What? 530 00:20:55,221 --> 00:20:58,022 - Oh, my God. It's her! 531 00:20:58,091 --> 00:21:00,791 I mean, is there any way that this is somehow faked? 532 00:21:00,860 --> 00:21:02,693 How would she have done that so fast? 533 00:21:02,762 --> 00:21:03,728 - Yeah. 534 00:21:03,796 --> 00:21:05,196 - If that is her, 535 00:21:05,265 --> 00:21:07,832 why would she send us pictures of other girls' bodies? 536 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:09,500 - I think considering the other things 537 00:21:09,569 --> 00:21:11,569 that she's dealing with that she's talked about, 538 00:21:11,638 --> 00:21:15,306 it makes sense that she's not completely comfortable 539 00:21:15,375 --> 00:21:18,709 with her body right now to send full body pictures. 540 00:21:18,778 --> 00:21:19,977 - Yeah. 541 00:21:20,046 --> 00:21:21,245 Well, we should probably respond, right? 542 00:21:21,314 --> 00:21:22,380 I mean, what should we say? 543 00:21:22,448 --> 00:21:24,715 - Can I give it a try? 544 00:21:26,052 --> 00:21:28,319 - "Hey, Carmella, William is really excited 545 00:21:28,388 --> 00:21:30,655 "and looking forward to the possibility of meeting you. 546 00:21:30,723 --> 00:21:32,323 "We would love to help make that happen. 547 00:21:32,392 --> 00:21:34,191 "Please think about it and let us know 548 00:21:34,260 --> 00:21:35,192 "if there's anything we can do 549 00:21:35,261 --> 00:21:36,894 "to make you feel more comfortable. 550 00:21:36,963 --> 00:21:39,530 "We are currently in Little Rock and willing to meet you 551 00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:43,267 whenever/wherever is best for you. Heart." 552 00:21:43,336 --> 00:21:46,070 Sound good to you, William? - Yeah. 553 00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:48,105 - OK, sent. 554 00:21:48,174 --> 00:21:49,540 - Now let's see what she says. 555 00:21:49,609 --> 00:21:50,875 - Right. [phone chimes] 556 00:21:50,943 --> 00:21:52,943 - Oh. That was fast. 557 00:21:53,012 --> 00:21:55,046 "I care about him, but I lied in a big way. 558 00:21:55,114 --> 00:21:56,747 "I don't think I can ever face him. 559 00:21:56,816 --> 00:21:58,416 Sorry." 560 00:21:58,484 --> 00:22:01,852 - Well. "I lied in a big way." 561 00:22:01,921 --> 00:22:03,788 - Should I mention the pictures at this point, 562 00:22:03,856 --> 00:22:05,389 that we know it's not her body? 563 00:22:05,458 --> 00:22:07,191 - I mean, I hope that's what she's talking about. 564 00:22:07,260 --> 00:22:08,426 - Well, that's what I mean. 565 00:22:08,494 --> 00:22:12,063 Like, so, I could say like, at this point, 566 00:22:12,131 --> 00:22:17,868 all we know that you lied about 567 00:22:17,937 --> 00:22:19,870 are the photos... 568 00:22:19,939 --> 00:22:21,906 - The photos you used of someone else's body. 569 00:22:21,974 --> 00:22:24,575 Is there something else? 570 00:22:26,145 --> 00:22:28,479 - Oh, she's typing. She's typing. 571 00:22:30,483 --> 00:22:31,782 Oh, she stopped. 572 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:36,320 I think that might be all we're getting from her right now. 573 00:22:36,389 --> 00:22:39,590 We'll wait and see if she gets back to us. 574 00:22:39,659 --> 00:22:40,758 - Gotcha. 575 00:22:40,827 --> 00:22:42,226 - You let us know if you hear anything. 576 00:22:42,295 --> 00:22:44,161 We'll let you know if we hear anything. 577 00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:46,564 - If she's ready to meet, then great. 578 00:22:46,632 --> 00:22:49,934 But I'm not gonna wait forever if nothing's coming from it. 579 00:22:50,002 --> 00:22:51,235 - Fingers crossed. 580 00:22:51,304 --> 00:22:54,605 [tense music] 581 00:22:54,674 --> 00:22:56,073 - See you, William. - I'll see you. 582 00:22:56,142 --> 00:22:58,309 Y'all be safe. - Thank you. 583 00:22:59,579 --> 00:23:01,178 - I can't believe she just sent that picture. 584 00:23:01,247 --> 00:23:02,680 That was crazy! - I know. 585 00:23:02,749 --> 00:23:04,115 - What is she hiding? 586 00:23:04,183 --> 00:23:07,918 What is this big lie that she's so afraid to tell him? 587 00:23:07,987 --> 00:23:12,656 ♪ ♪ 588 00:23:13,993 --> 00:23:15,860 [mellow electronic music] 589 00:23:15,928 --> 00:23:18,963 [knocking on door] 590 00:23:19,031 --> 00:23:20,664 - Good morning. 591 00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:21,699 Have a seat. 592 00:23:21,768 --> 00:23:22,833 - Update. 593 00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:25,536 Just got a voice note from our girl. 594 00:23:25,605 --> 00:23:26,771 Check this out. 595 00:23:58,871 --> 00:24:01,505 - Good news is, Carmella confirmed that 596 00:24:01,574 --> 00:24:05,075 her feelings for William are very real. 597 00:24:05,144 --> 00:24:06,744 - That's a plus. - Which is great. 598 00:24:06,813 --> 00:24:11,949 But there is something going on that she's super nervous about. 599 00:24:12,018 --> 00:24:13,751 - What could it be? [phone chimes] 600 00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:15,419 - Oh, she sent her address. - Oh. 601 00:24:15,488 --> 00:24:18,889 - She's 23 minutes away. - OK. 602 00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:23,360 - "Thanks. We will head over soon." 603 00:24:23,429 --> 00:24:24,829 Well, let's just call William and let him know. 604 00:24:24,897 --> 00:24:27,064 [line trilling] 605 00:24:28,434 --> 00:24:32,303 - We just got a voice note from Carmella. 606 00:24:32,371 --> 00:24:35,072 She confirmed that all the things she's told you 607 00:24:35,141 --> 00:24:38,075 and all the feelings that she's expressed to you are real, 608 00:24:38,144 --> 00:24:41,512 but that there is something she's worried to tell you. 609 00:24:41,581 --> 00:24:43,781 But she wants to meet you. 610 00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:46,717 And she even then texted us an address. 611 00:24:51,157 --> 00:24:54,291 - OK. So can you just meet us over here at the hotel 612 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:55,526 and head over there together? 613 00:24:56,929 --> 00:24:57,928 - All right, great. 614 00:24:57,997 --> 00:24:59,563 We'll see you downstairs in a little bit. 615 00:24:59,632 --> 00:25:01,665 - See you soon. 616 00:25:03,769 --> 00:25:05,736 Look at our guy. - There he is. 617 00:25:05,805 --> 00:25:07,238 - Hello. - How are you? 618 00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:08,506 - Good to see you. 619 00:25:08,574 --> 00:25:09,707 - Good to see you too. 620 00:25:09,775 --> 00:25:11,108 - How are you doing? 621 00:25:11,177 --> 00:25:15,246 - Just ready to meet Carmella and see what she has-- 622 00:25:15,314 --> 00:25:16,747 what surprise she has waiting for me. 623 00:25:16,816 --> 00:25:17,748 - Same. 624 00:25:17,817 --> 00:25:19,216 - Get in the "Car-a-mella." 625 00:25:19,285 --> 00:25:21,085 - [laughs] - Yes, sir. 626 00:25:23,789 --> 00:25:25,289 - And away we go. 627 00:25:26,993 --> 00:25:29,527 - I'm very, very curious in finding out 628 00:25:29,595 --> 00:25:31,762 what Carmella has to tell you. 629 00:25:31,831 --> 00:25:34,398 - I am too. 630 00:25:34,467 --> 00:25:37,134 What is it that's so bad that she couldn't tell me? 631 00:25:37,203 --> 00:25:38,636 It depends on how big the lie is, 632 00:25:38,704 --> 00:25:41,438 if we can recover, if we can actually be something. 633 00:25:41,507 --> 00:25:42,473 - Mm-hmm. 634 00:25:45,478 --> 00:25:47,177 It's an old neighborhood. 635 00:25:49,315 --> 00:25:50,948 This is the street. 636 00:25:51,017 --> 00:25:52,416 63's-- 637 00:25:52,485 --> 00:25:54,451 - I think it's that one. 638 00:25:56,355 --> 00:25:58,822 - All right. Well. 639 00:25:58,891 --> 00:26:00,958 - Are you ready? - I feel like I've been nervous 640 00:26:01,027 --> 00:26:03,260 for the last three months, so, you know, 641 00:26:03,329 --> 00:26:04,762 now's the time. Let's do it. 642 00:26:04,830 --> 00:26:06,030 - Let's do it. 643 00:26:08,668 --> 00:26:10,367 You guys can wait here. 644 00:26:10,436 --> 00:26:11,602 I'll check it out. 645 00:26:11,671 --> 00:26:14,505 [tense music] 646 00:26:14,574 --> 00:26:21,612 ♪ ♪ 647 00:26:24,450 --> 00:26:27,184 [doorbell rings] 648 00:26:27,253 --> 00:26:30,988 ♪ ♪ 649 00:26:31,057 --> 00:26:32,856 [whispers] I rang the doorbell. 650 00:26:32,925 --> 00:26:34,391 [door creaks open] 651 00:26:34,460 --> 00:26:36,026 - Ooh! 652 00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:38,228 - Hi. - Hello. 653 00:26:38,297 --> 00:26:40,130 - [whispers] I can't see. 654 00:26:40,199 --> 00:26:42,199 - Come on out. 655 00:26:43,703 --> 00:26:46,570 [tense music] 656 00:26:46,639 --> 00:26:48,205 ♪ ♪ 657 00:26:48,274 --> 00:26:50,908 [doorbell rings] 658 00:26:50,977 --> 00:26:54,712 ♪ ♪ 659 00:26:54,780 --> 00:26:56,714 [whispers] I rang the doorbell. 660 00:26:56,782 --> 00:26:58,115 [door creaks open] 661 00:26:58,184 --> 00:26:59,750 - Ooh! 662 00:26:59,819 --> 00:27:00,951 - Hi. 663 00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:01,952 - Hello. 664 00:27:02,021 --> 00:27:03,887 - [whispers] I can't see. 665 00:27:03,956 --> 00:27:05,623 - Come on out. 666 00:27:05,691 --> 00:27:08,292 ♪ ♪ 667 00:27:08,361 --> 00:27:10,127 Yeah, yeah. - Hey. 668 00:27:10,196 --> 00:27:12,463 Hey. - [mumbles] We got your-- 669 00:27:12,531 --> 00:27:15,432 - Oh. 670 00:27:16,969 --> 00:27:19,103 - How's everything going? - Good. How are y'all? 671 00:27:19,171 --> 00:27:21,005 - Good. - Good, I'm Kamie. 672 00:27:21,073 --> 00:27:24,742 - Nice to meet you. Carmella. - Nice to meet you too. 673 00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:25,976 - Will. - Nice to meet you, Will. 674 00:27:26,045 --> 00:27:28,612 Carmella. - Nice to meet you too. 675 00:27:28,681 --> 00:27:30,414 - All right. Happy to meet you. 676 00:27:30,483 --> 00:27:32,149 - Nice to meet y'all. [chuckles] 677 00:27:32,218 --> 00:27:37,688 - Um, obviously, you're not the girl in the pictures. 678 00:27:37,757 --> 00:27:39,790 - Right. - Is that-- 679 00:27:39,859 --> 00:27:42,726 why don't you kind of explain the situation. 680 00:27:42,795 --> 00:27:45,229 - Well, of course, like, the body pictures 681 00:27:45,297 --> 00:27:47,498 were fake, of course. - OK. 682 00:27:47,566 --> 00:27:51,468 - The face pictures were me. 683 00:27:51,537 --> 00:27:56,240 They're just very edited with FaceApp. 684 00:27:56,308 --> 00:27:58,976 - Wow. OK, so that photo you sent in the car 685 00:27:59,045 --> 00:28:01,645 and all the other face shots, those are all you? 686 00:28:01,714 --> 00:28:03,347 - Right, right. - [stammers] 687 00:28:03,416 --> 00:28:05,349 And that's primarily the issue that 688 00:28:05,418 --> 00:28:07,651 you were concerned about revealing. 689 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,319 - Right. 690 00:28:09,388 --> 00:28:11,655 - But surely, I mean, having talked to him 691 00:28:11,724 --> 00:28:13,624 for the last three months so much, 692 00:28:13,693 --> 00:28:16,694 and him being so open minded and accepting 693 00:28:16,762 --> 00:28:19,296 from what I understand, of everything you've told him, 694 00:28:19,365 --> 00:28:21,165 don't you think he might have handled that better 695 00:28:21,233 --> 00:28:23,801 if you told him the truth early on? 696 00:28:23,869 --> 00:28:25,636 What was it that you thought would be 697 00:28:25,705 --> 00:28:28,472 so hard for him to accept about you? 698 00:28:28,541 --> 00:28:31,075 - Um, mostly my weight. 699 00:28:31,143 --> 00:28:33,210 It wasn't my intention to lie. 700 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,779 I was just going through a really rough breakup. 701 00:28:35,848 --> 00:28:41,051 And after that, I just started catfishing guys for attention. 702 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,020 - Guys, plural? - Yeah. 703 00:28:43,089 --> 00:28:46,790 Kind of a little attention whore, I guess. 704 00:28:46,859 --> 00:28:49,126 - There were other guys you were talking to 705 00:28:49,195 --> 00:28:50,694 that you met online? 706 00:28:50,763 --> 00:28:53,630 - I mean, I've probably talked to like 5,000, 6,000 guys. 707 00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:56,467 - Whoa, whoa, whoa. - Wait, what? 708 00:28:56,535 --> 00:28:57,901 5,000 or 6,000? 709 00:28:57,970 --> 00:29:00,804 - Thousand. - Wow. 710 00:29:00,873 --> 00:29:03,407 So you just--just through different dating apps, 711 00:29:03,476 --> 00:29:06,410 or primarily Facebook, or-- - Um, Tinder, mostly. 712 00:29:06,479 --> 00:29:10,080 - OK, so you talk to them to get attention? 713 00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:12,049 - Just attention when I'm bored. - Just for fun? 714 00:29:12,118 --> 00:29:14,351 They just send me like money and stuff. 715 00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:16,553 - Oh. - How much money? 716 00:29:16,622 --> 00:29:18,589 - In the past year, I've probably made 717 00:29:18,657 --> 00:29:21,158 $10,000, $15,000. 718 00:29:21,227 --> 00:29:23,827 - So this isn't just about your weight or insecurity, 719 00:29:23,896 --> 00:29:26,497 because it sounds like a lot of those guys 720 00:29:26,565 --> 00:29:29,700 you're kind of scamming. 721 00:29:29,769 --> 00:29:31,034 - I guess. 722 00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:32,770 I mean, I don't like tell them we're 723 00:29:32,838 --> 00:29:35,005 gonna be together or [bleep] or anything for the money. 724 00:29:35,074 --> 00:29:37,374 Like, so I feel like they shouldn't have 725 00:29:37,443 --> 00:29:40,210 very high expectations. 726 00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:43,280 If you're gonna send a random bitch on Snapchat money, 727 00:29:43,349 --> 00:29:44,848 I mean-- 728 00:29:44,917 --> 00:29:46,216 - So at the time that you met William, 729 00:29:46,285 --> 00:29:48,018 you were flirting with lots of guys. 730 00:29:48,087 --> 00:29:49,887 So Will was essentially a target 731 00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:51,588 that you were like, oh, he's another cute boy. 732 00:29:51,657 --> 00:29:53,323 I'll send him all these hot pictures, 733 00:29:53,392 --> 00:29:54,992 and I'll eventually get money from him, right? 734 00:29:55,060 --> 00:29:56,260 I mean, that was-- - Right. 735 00:29:56,328 --> 00:29:57,795 - But I don't send money online. 736 00:29:57,863 --> 00:29:59,696 - Well, no. But did she ever ask for it? 737 00:29:59,765 --> 00:30:00,931 - No. 738 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,633 - Are you talking to any of those people now? 739 00:30:02,701 --> 00:30:04,635 'Cause that's a lot of people to be talking to. 740 00:30:04,703 --> 00:30:06,937 - No, ever since me and him started talking, 741 00:30:07,006 --> 00:30:09,640 I've pretty much cut everybody else off, 742 00:30:09,708 --> 00:30:11,275 any other guys. 743 00:30:11,343 --> 00:30:14,545 Like, my feelings for him are real. 744 00:30:14,613 --> 00:30:16,046 - That's a little hard to believe though, 745 00:30:16,115 --> 00:30:17,614 given what you just told us. 746 00:30:17,683 --> 00:30:18,949 - Right, right. 747 00:30:19,018 --> 00:30:20,484 - If that's true, 748 00:30:20,553 --> 00:30:23,620 what was different about Will that prevented you from 749 00:30:23,689 --> 00:30:25,722 taking it to the sort of, oh, I want to ask him for money 750 00:30:25,791 --> 00:30:28,158 like all these other hundreds of thousands of guys? 751 00:30:28,227 --> 00:30:30,460 - Well, I mean, once we, like, started talking on the phone, 752 00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:32,963 it just--we just clicked. 753 00:30:33,032 --> 00:30:34,765 I felt like I liked his sense of humor. 754 00:30:34,834 --> 00:30:37,201 We had the same kind of taste in music and movies 755 00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:38,802 and stuff like that. 756 00:30:38,871 --> 00:30:40,637 And he didn't treat me like an object. 757 00:30:40,706 --> 00:30:44,041 So I think that makes him really, really special, 758 00:30:44,109 --> 00:30:46,443 being able to treat me the way I want to be treated, 759 00:30:46,512 --> 00:30:48,412 like a normal girl. 760 00:30:49,215 --> 00:30:52,115 - So is everything else that you've told him true 761 00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:54,351 in terms of what's going on in your life? 762 00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:57,221 - Yeah, everything else is true. 763 00:30:57,289 --> 00:30:59,456 - We found your Twitter. 764 00:30:59,525 --> 00:31:01,959 And we see that you talk a lot on there 765 00:31:02,027 --> 00:31:03,527 about eating disorders. 766 00:31:03,596 --> 00:31:06,096 Is that something that you struggle with? 767 00:31:06,165 --> 00:31:07,598 - Mm-hmm. 768 00:31:07,666 --> 00:31:10,133 Yeah, I've struggled with that pretty much my entire life, 769 00:31:10,202 --> 00:31:12,469 but especially after the breakup 770 00:31:12,538 --> 00:31:14,304 with my last boyfriend. 771 00:31:14,373 --> 00:31:18,208 - Is it something that you are in recovery for currently 772 00:31:18,277 --> 00:31:20,611 or hoping to be? 773 00:31:20,679 --> 00:31:22,980 - Hoping to be. 774 00:31:23,048 --> 00:31:24,982 - What are you hoping to get out of 775 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:26,116 this relationship with William? 776 00:31:26,185 --> 00:31:28,051 Like, what would you want, ideally? 777 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,154 - I mean, ideally, like, if he ended up trusting me, 778 00:31:31,223 --> 00:31:33,090 definitely like a relationship. 779 00:31:36,695 --> 00:31:38,362 - I mean... 780 00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:40,697 [sighs] I liked you so much. 781 00:31:40,766 --> 00:31:43,467 But you lied this long. 782 00:31:43,535 --> 00:31:44,835 And I believed you, 783 00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:47,905 which makes me seem kind of foolish 784 00:31:47,973 --> 00:31:50,707 that you could lie to me about other things. 785 00:31:50,776 --> 00:31:53,577 - Right. I think that's understandable. 786 00:31:53,646 --> 00:31:55,345 - I just wish you would have been honest. 787 00:31:55,414 --> 00:31:58,548 The whole scamming thousands of men, like, 788 00:31:58,617 --> 00:32:02,586 that's really hard to hear. Like, that's really damaging. 789 00:32:02,655 --> 00:32:04,521 - I'm sorry. 790 00:32:05,758 --> 00:32:06,757 I mean, at the end of the day, like, 791 00:32:06,825 --> 00:32:08,158 I just want you to be happy, 792 00:32:08,227 --> 00:32:10,360 even if you're not with me. 793 00:32:10,429 --> 00:32:13,563 But I would definitely want to be with you. 794 00:32:15,167 --> 00:32:18,902 - I'm willing to try to get to know the real you. 795 00:32:18,971 --> 00:32:21,939 But I definitely don't want to rush into nothing. 796 00:32:22,007 --> 00:32:24,041 - I got you. 797 00:32:24,843 --> 00:32:27,511 - All right, well, why dou n't yogo inside. 798 00:32:27,579 --> 00:32:28,779 We're gonna just hang back here for a minute 799 00:32:28,847 --> 00:32:29,947 and just check in with William 800 00:32:30,015 --> 00:32:31,782 and then we'll come in in a few? 801 00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:33,283 - OK, sounds good. - OK, yeah. 802 00:32:33,352 --> 00:32:37,454 - ♪ Why is loving you so hard ♪ 803 00:32:37,523 --> 00:32:39,923 ♪ ♪ 804 00:32:39,992 --> 00:32:42,225 ♪ Why is letting go the hardest ♪ 805 00:32:42,294 --> 00:32:44,561 - Are you attracted to her? 806 00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:46,630 - I don't know. I mean, 807 00:32:46,699 --> 00:32:49,232 it's hard for me to even think about her physical appearance 808 00:32:49,301 --> 00:32:50,934 and me being attracted to her physical appearance 809 00:32:51,003 --> 00:32:53,770 because I feel so unattracted that she's been lying. 810 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,540 - If that's how you feel, I don't want you to go in there 811 00:32:56,608 --> 00:32:59,076 being the sweet, compassionate person you are 812 00:32:59,144 --> 00:33:00,310 and give her the impression that 813 00:33:00,379 --> 00:33:01,611 she can earn your trust back 814 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,981 and then you're good to go. - Right. 815 00:33:04,049 --> 00:33:09,252 - ♪ I tried to hold on so tight ♪ 816 00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:11,788 ♪ But you left when I needed you most ♪ 817 00:33:11,857 --> 00:33:14,958 - I mean, the scamming thousands of men, like-- 818 00:33:15,027 --> 00:33:17,394 - It does raise the concern of, like, 819 00:33:17,463 --> 00:33:19,796 when someone gets that comfortable lying-- 820 00:33:19,865 --> 00:33:21,164 - That they could do it all the time. 821 00:33:21,233 --> 00:33:23,333 - Right. That it might be hard to sort of-- 822 00:33:23,402 --> 00:33:26,370 - Come out of that. It's like lying is like nothing to her. 823 00:33:26,438 --> 00:33:27,838 - ♪ Now it's too late ♪ 824 00:33:27,906 --> 00:33:29,339 - Yeah. 825 00:33:29,408 --> 00:33:31,942 - The only thing that I think's really gonna matter to her 826 00:33:32,011 --> 00:33:34,444 is hearing from you that 827 00:33:34,513 --> 00:33:37,014 her behavior has changed the way you see her. 828 00:33:37,082 --> 00:33:38,115 - Right. 829 00:33:38,183 --> 00:33:41,585 - That's important for her to know. 830 00:33:41,653 --> 00:33:44,054 - ♪ And now it's too late ♪ 831 00:33:46,458 --> 00:33:48,258 - Just make sure she knows how you really feel. 832 00:33:48,327 --> 00:33:49,226 - Right. 833 00:33:49,294 --> 00:33:52,262 [soft music] 834 00:33:52,331 --> 00:33:54,564 ♪ ♪ 835 00:33:54,633 --> 00:33:55,932 - Come on in. 836 00:33:56,001 --> 00:33:57,200 Make yourselves at home. 837 00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:59,236 ♪ ♪ 838 00:33:59,304 --> 00:34:00,637 - [sighs] 839 00:34:00,706 --> 00:34:02,973 All right, so I do think we need to figure out 840 00:34:03,042 --> 00:34:06,209 what moving forward for you guys looks like 841 00:34:06,278 --> 00:34:09,079 so that everyone's clear what to expect. 842 00:34:09,148 --> 00:34:10,714 - OK. 843 00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:13,617 I mean, if I didn't care about you, 844 00:34:13,685 --> 00:34:17,087 I wouldn't have came on here to meet you 845 00:34:17,156 --> 00:34:19,890 when I'm so embarrassed and so disgusted by, like, 846 00:34:19,958 --> 00:34:21,558 the way I look and my weight, 847 00:34:21,627 --> 00:34:23,326 and if I look, like, too manly 848 00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:25,729 or my insecurities. - But you don't though. 849 00:34:25,798 --> 00:34:29,132 - Like, my last boyfriend, the one that, like, 850 00:34:29,201 --> 00:34:31,802 I started lying after we broke up, the last thing 851 00:34:31,870 --> 00:34:33,970 he said to me was, "Are you really gonna leave? 852 00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:35,472 Do you think a guy is gonna want to be with 853 00:34:35,541 --> 00:34:38,275 a fat-ass tranny?" 854 00:34:38,343 --> 00:34:44,581 And I mean, that has just, like, stuck with me. 855 00:34:44,650 --> 00:34:47,717 [crying] And that's something I just haven't dealt with 856 00:34:47,786 --> 00:34:49,453 or healed from yet. 857 00:34:49,521 --> 00:34:52,122 And that's kind of why I've, like, created 858 00:34:52,191 --> 00:34:56,026 this, I guess, persona online 859 00:34:56,095 --> 00:34:59,930 to, like, cope with feeling that way. 860 00:34:59,998 --> 00:35:03,133 And having somebody you love tell you something like that 861 00:35:03,202 --> 00:35:05,969 is just--it really sucks. 862 00:35:06,038 --> 00:35:10,173 So that's why I started, like, doing what I've been doing, 863 00:35:10,242 --> 00:35:12,509 just to, like, cope with it. 864 00:35:12,578 --> 00:35:16,613 And that's why I've been scamming guys. 865 00:35:16,682 --> 00:35:21,852 Like, why not when that's the way I'm treated by them? 866 00:35:24,056 --> 00:35:27,224 - What's kind of your experience been like 867 00:35:27,292 --> 00:35:30,193 transitioning in a place like Arkansas? 868 00:35:30,262 --> 00:35:31,628 - Hell. 869 00:35:31,697 --> 00:35:34,331 [soft emotional music] 870 00:35:34,399 --> 00:35:36,166 Um... 871 00:35:36,235 --> 00:35:39,169 the people, of course, haven't been the nicest. 872 00:35:39,238 --> 00:35:42,205 I grew up in, like, a super religious home. 873 00:35:42,274 --> 00:35:44,708 I feel like I was basically taught growing up 874 00:35:44,776 --> 00:35:47,244 to, like, hate myself. 875 00:35:48,981 --> 00:35:51,214 [sobs] 876 00:35:51,283 --> 00:35:54,084 I'm sorry. 877 00:35:54,153 --> 00:35:57,020 ♪ ♪ 878 00:35:57,089 --> 00:36:00,824 - It's--it's been hard for you. 879 00:36:00,893 --> 00:36:02,325 - Right. 880 00:36:02,394 --> 00:36:05,395 That's why, like, with him, I feel like it's different. 881 00:36:05,464 --> 00:36:06,830 But I, like-- 882 00:36:06,899 --> 00:36:07,998 I wouldn't have came on here 883 00:36:08,066 --> 00:36:10,200 if I didn't genuinely care about you 884 00:36:10,269 --> 00:36:13,370 and have feelings for you. 885 00:36:13,438 --> 00:36:16,239 - I'm glad you did. I'm glad we finally got to meet. 886 00:36:16,308 --> 00:36:20,477 I just wish you could've been honest with me from the get-go 887 00:36:20,546 --> 00:36:22,345 'cause I love the person that you are. 888 00:36:22,414 --> 00:36:24,381 Like, I love the way we talk. 889 00:36:24,449 --> 00:36:25,949 I love the way we laugh, the music. 890 00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:28,518 But... [sighs] 891 00:36:28,587 --> 00:36:33,190 The scamming thousands of men, that really scares me 892 00:36:33,258 --> 00:36:35,358 because it's like, 893 00:36:35,427 --> 00:36:38,562 almost like lying has become easy to you. 894 00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:40,864 And so-- 895 00:36:40,933 --> 00:36:45,402 not the way you look, 896 00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:47,070 but the fact of all the lying 897 00:36:47,139 --> 00:36:51,241 has made me feel less attracted towards you. 898 00:36:51,310 --> 00:36:53,710 And that--that's really-- 899 00:36:53,779 --> 00:36:56,246 that--that's really hurt me. 900 00:36:56,315 --> 00:36:57,814 - I think that's understandable. 901 00:36:57,883 --> 00:36:59,249 And I'm sorry. 902 00:36:59,318 --> 00:37:02,285 - And I forgive you. 903 00:37:02,354 --> 00:37:06,089 I'm just--just really hurt. 904 00:37:06,158 --> 00:37:08,091 ♪ ♪ 905 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,093 [sighs] 906 00:37:10,162 --> 00:37:12,429 Still, after all this, I don't want to block you. 907 00:37:12,497 --> 00:37:16,466 I don't want to kick you out of my life or nothing. 908 00:37:16,535 --> 00:37:19,069 I think we could be friends. 909 00:37:19,137 --> 00:37:21,972 And if you're having these problems with depression 910 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,775 or anything like that, I'll be there for you. 911 00:37:25,844 --> 00:37:26,910 - Same to you. 912 00:37:26,979 --> 00:37:30,180 - And I appreciate that. 913 00:37:30,249 --> 00:37:32,449 - This is a good place to leave it. 914 00:37:32,517 --> 00:37:34,484 We'll say goodbye and we'll head out. 915 00:37:34,553 --> 00:37:36,987 ♪ ♪ 916 00:37:37,055 --> 00:37:39,923 - Thank you. - Yes, ma'am. 917 00:37:39,992 --> 00:37:41,858 ♪ ♪ 918 00:37:41,927 --> 00:37:43,627 - I look forward to building our friendship. 919 00:37:43,695 --> 00:37:45,795 - For sure. Me too. 920 00:37:45,864 --> 00:37:46,796 - All right, well, look. 921 00:37:46,865 --> 00:37:49,966 You are a good person. 922 00:37:50,035 --> 00:37:52,535 And you've been through some [bleep]. 923 00:37:52,604 --> 00:37:54,704 I don't think you are someone that wants to 924 00:37:54,773 --> 00:37:57,040 or looks for opportunities to take advantage of people. 925 00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:58,842 You made mistakes, and I feel hopeful 926 00:37:58,910 --> 00:38:00,610 that's all now in your past. 927 00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:02,812 So I just don't want you to think that somehow 928 00:38:02,881 --> 00:38:06,483 we see you as this, like, dark, evil person, 929 00:38:06,551 --> 00:38:08,018 'cause you're very clearly not. 930 00:38:08,086 --> 00:38:09,185 - Thank you. 931 00:38:09,254 --> 00:38:10,720 - And you deserve good things. 932 00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:12,489 - Yeah, and you do. You really do. 933 00:38:12,557 --> 00:38:13,623 - Yeah. 934 00:38:13,692 --> 00:38:14,791 ♪ ♪ 935 00:38:14,860 --> 00:38:16,826 - It was nice meeting you. - You too. 936 00:38:16,895 --> 00:38:18,028 - It was good to meet you. 937 00:38:18,096 --> 00:38:19,329 - Appreciate y'all. 938 00:38:19,398 --> 00:38:20,430 - Take care of yourself. 939 00:38:20,499 --> 00:38:23,366 - You're so pretty. - Oh, so are you. 940 00:38:23,435 --> 00:38:25,135 - It was nice meeting you. - You too. 941 00:38:25,203 --> 00:38:27,203 - Y'all be safe. - We will. 942 00:38:27,272 --> 00:38:28,605 - Thanks for having me over. 943 00:38:28,674 --> 00:38:30,473 - Thank you. 944 00:38:30,542 --> 00:38:34,844 - ♪ Life became an ocean that I'm sinking in ♪ 945 00:38:34,913 --> 00:38:36,546 ♪ ♪ 946 00:38:36,615 --> 00:38:38,315 - Well? 947 00:38:38,383 --> 00:38:39,649 What's next for you? 948 00:38:39,718 --> 00:38:42,719 - ♪ To a never-ending sad song ♪ 949 00:38:42,788 --> 00:38:45,989 - I guess I'll just go back out there and see 950 00:38:46,058 --> 00:38:50,226 what's out there for me and stuff like that, but... 951 00:38:50,295 --> 00:38:53,263 [sighs] Maybe stay off Facebook Dating. 952 00:38:53,332 --> 00:38:56,499 - I have a feeling you're gonna be just fine. 953 00:38:56,568 --> 00:38:58,435 - I really appreciate that, man. 954 00:38:58,503 --> 00:38:59,903 That was really solid. 955 00:38:59,971 --> 00:39:01,738 - ♪ Turn back time ♪ 956 00:39:01,807 --> 00:39:05,041 ♪ ♪ 957 00:39:05,110 --> 00:39:06,910 - Sup? - Hey! 958 00:39:06,978 --> 00:39:08,078 - Hey, William. 959 00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:09,145 - What's up, Will? - What's up? 960 00:39:09,214 --> 00:39:12,048 - Anything from Carmella since we saw you? 961 00:39:12,117 --> 00:39:14,551 - Uh, so we've remained friends. 962 00:39:14,619 --> 00:39:16,286 And we talk occasionally. 963 00:39:16,355 --> 00:39:19,356 But we don't talk nearly as much as we used to. 964 00:39:19,424 --> 00:39:20,623 - That's understandable. 965 00:39:20,692 --> 00:39:23,059 There's no flirtation or romance there anymore 966 00:39:23,128 --> 00:39:24,427 or is there? - No. 967 00:39:24,496 --> 00:39:26,996 - And is that on your part or is that on her part? 968 00:39:27,065 --> 00:39:28,298 - I would say a little bit of both. 969 00:39:28,367 --> 00:39:29,599 - You guys are cool? - Yep. 970 00:39:29,668 --> 00:39:32,535 - And what about you? Have you met anyone else? 971 00:39:32,604 --> 00:39:34,537 - I've went on a few dates. 972 00:39:34,606 --> 00:39:36,172 But I'm kinda just playing the field, 973 00:39:36,241 --> 00:39:37,741 seeing where it takes me. 974 00:39:37,809 --> 00:39:40,310 Wanna make sure I make the right choice this time. 975 00:39:40,379 --> 00:39:42,779 - Play the field, date around, enjoy. 976 00:39:42,848 --> 00:39:44,647 - All right, well, nice to see you. 977 00:39:44,716 --> 00:39:45,882 - Nice to see y'all too. 978 00:39:45,951 --> 00:39:47,283 - Bye. - Y'all have a good one. 979 00:39:47,352 --> 00:39:48,718 Nice talking to y'all. 980 00:39:48,787 --> 00:39:50,920 - Hey! - Hi, Carmella girl. 981 00:39:50,989 --> 00:39:52,389 - How are y'all? - What's up? 982 00:39:52,457 --> 00:39:54,124 - We're good. How are you? 983 00:39:54,192 --> 00:39:55,291 - Um, things are good. 984 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,193 I've just honestly been chilling, 985 00:39:57,262 --> 00:39:58,728 staying off social media. 986 00:39:58,797 --> 00:40:00,463 I actually deleted my accounts. 987 00:40:00,532 --> 00:40:01,731 - Well, that's a huge deal. 988 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,434 - You had a lot of accounts. - Yeah. [laughs] 989 00:40:04,503 --> 00:40:06,636 I just kind of, you know, reflected afterwards 990 00:40:06,705 --> 00:40:08,438 and realized just 'cause someone hurt me, 991 00:40:08,507 --> 00:40:10,607 I don't have to go out and hurt other people. 992 00:40:10,675 --> 00:40:12,008 - Yeah. 993 00:40:12,077 --> 00:40:14,177 - I think this was definitely a step forward, for sure. 994 00:40:14,246 --> 00:40:15,979 - Are you dating, seeing anyone? 995 00:40:16,047 --> 00:40:17,947 - Um, not right now, no. 996 00:40:18,016 --> 00:40:20,150 At this point, I need to just worry about 997 00:40:20,218 --> 00:40:21,618 getting myself together. 998 00:40:21,686 --> 00:40:23,820 - Well, we really enjoyed meeting you. 999 00:40:23,889 --> 00:40:26,756 Hopefully this experience has course-corrected you towards 1000 00:40:26,825 --> 00:40:29,092 a happier version of yourself. 1001 00:40:29,161 --> 00:40:31,127 - Thank you. I really appreciate you guys. 1002 00:40:31,196 --> 00:40:33,329 - I like the side pone. 1003 00:40:33,398 --> 00:40:34,697 Cute. - [laughs] 1004 00:40:34,766 --> 00:40:37,100 - Bye, Carmella. Thank you. - Yeah, nice to see you. 1005 00:40:37,169 --> 00:40:39,002 - Bye. Good seeing you. - Bye.