1 00:00:01,935 --> 00:00:04,004 - ♪♪ MTV ♪♪ 2 00:00:04,071 --> 00:00:06,473 - Erika and Jermaine have been talking for three years. 3 00:00:06,540 --> 00:00:08,342 - He made me happy. He made me smile. 4 00:00:08,408 --> 00:00:09,810 He was like, "If you move out here, 5 00:00:09,877 --> 00:00:11,245 we definitely gonna be together." 6 00:00:11,311 --> 00:00:13,514 - Shut the [bleep] up! - I told you. 7 00:00:15,215 --> 00:00:17,017 [knocks] 8 00:00:17,084 --> 00:00:18,986 - Ooh. 9 00:00:19,052 --> 00:00:21,221 Whoa. - Who is that? 10 00:00:21,288 --> 00:00:24,024 [dramatic music] 11 00:00:24,091 --> 00:00:25,192 - I have something. 12 00:00:25,259 --> 00:00:27,561 - Yo, Nev, if it's not $1,000,000, 13 00:00:27,628 --> 00:00:30,898 don't take it out the bag. - Hey! 14 00:00:30,964 --> 00:00:32,132 It's 2023. 15 00:00:32,199 --> 00:00:33,967 I got you a pair. Look, come on. 16 00:00:34,034 --> 00:00:35,669 Who knows when this will air? 17 00:00:35,736 --> 00:00:39,039 But for us, this is our first episode of 2023. 18 00:00:39,106 --> 00:00:41,208 - Happy New Year. - Happy New Year, everyone. 19 00:00:41,275 --> 00:00:42,309 Yeah. - Wow. 20 00:00:42,376 --> 00:00:43,510 - Not bad, right? 21 00:00:43,577 --> 00:00:44,778 - It feels like I'm in 3D movie. 22 00:00:44,845 --> 00:00:47,114 - Let's make 2023 the best year ever. 23 00:00:47,181 --> 00:00:49,616 - Aw. [laughter] 24 00:00:49,683 --> 00:00:51,251 Cheers. - All right. 25 00:00:51,318 --> 00:00:52,586 We got an email. I think we should dive in. 26 00:00:52,653 --> 00:00:53,987 - Let's go. - All right. 27 00:00:54,054 --> 00:00:56,523 Subject, "I tried my best." 28 00:00:56,590 --> 00:00:58,926 "Hello, Nev and Kamie. My name is Aaron. 29 00:00:58,992 --> 00:01:00,794 I'm a truck driver out in Texas." 30 00:01:00,861 --> 00:01:03,764 ♪♪ I can't fake it anymore, I'm losing patience ♪♪ 31 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:05,899 - "I'm writing to you because I'm concerned 32 00:01:05,966 --> 00:01:09,403 for my sister Erika, who lives in New Orleans." 33 00:01:09,469 --> 00:01:11,471 [upbeat music] 34 00:01:11,538 --> 00:01:14,274 "She met a guy named Jermaine on social media 35 00:01:14,341 --> 00:01:18,212 a few years ago, even though he lives in Los Angeles." 36 00:01:18,278 --> 00:01:19,813 - Hmm. - Eh. 37 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,815 "In my single days, when I wanted a woman, 38 00:01:21,882 --> 00:01:24,051 nothing would stop me from pursuing her." 39 00:01:24,117 --> 00:01:25,686 Yes, that's--yeah, I've been saying that for years. 40 00:01:25,752 --> 00:01:27,721 - Yeah, you say that. - "I'd call her on FaceTime. 41 00:01:27,788 --> 00:01:30,858 "And if I couldn't go where my girl was, I'd fly her to me. 42 00:01:30,924 --> 00:01:33,227 "So it doesn't make sense to me that Jermaine 43 00:01:33,293 --> 00:01:34,661 "won't video chat with my sister. 44 00:01:34,728 --> 00:01:37,164 "And when she told me he'd been to New Orleans 45 00:01:37,231 --> 00:01:41,702 twice without meeting with her, it blew my mind." 46 00:01:41,768 --> 00:01:42,970 Something is wrong with this guy. 47 00:01:43,036 --> 00:01:44,304 - Yeah. 48 00:01:44,371 --> 00:01:46,039 - ♪♪ I'm never tryna hold you back ♪♪ 49 00:01:46,106 --> 00:01:47,941 - "Told my sister I thought Jermaine was a catfish. 50 00:01:48,008 --> 00:01:50,377 "She admitted she has some concerns, too, 51 00:01:50,444 --> 00:01:52,479 "but she still hasn't dumped him. 52 00:01:52,546 --> 00:01:54,948 "And recently, she kicked it up a notch 53 00:01:55,015 --> 00:01:57,584 "and said she wants to move to LA. 54 00:01:57,651 --> 00:02:00,153 "In fact, she's out there right now 55 00:02:00,220 --> 00:02:02,089 checking out neighborhoods." 56 00:02:02,155 --> 00:02:04,324 - It's escalated very quickly. 57 00:02:04,391 --> 00:02:06,994 - "She says she's always wanted to live out there, 58 00:02:07,060 --> 00:02:08,829 "but I think part of her wants to see 59 00:02:08,896 --> 00:02:12,099 "where the relationship will go if they're in the same place. 60 00:02:12,165 --> 00:02:13,867 "I want Erika to be happy. 61 00:02:13,934 --> 00:02:16,403 "She's been through a lot and deserves someone special. 62 00:02:16,470 --> 00:02:18,071 This guy isn't it." 63 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:19,706 - ♪♪ I can't tell you how this goes ♪♪ 64 00:02:19,773 --> 00:02:21,208 ♪♪ But tell you how it turns out ♪♪ 65 00:02:21,275 --> 00:02:24,511 - "I'm hoping you guys can help my sister see some reason 66 00:02:24,578 --> 00:02:26,647 "before she moves across the country 67 00:02:26,713 --> 00:02:29,216 "for someone who doesn't exist. 68 00:02:29,283 --> 00:02:30,884 Thank you, Aaron." 69 00:02:33,153 --> 00:02:34,755 She's in LA, which is wild. 70 00:02:34,821 --> 00:02:36,790 - She's here, but she still hasn't seen him, because-- 71 00:02:36,857 --> 00:02:38,525 - Well, we don't know that. 72 00:02:38,592 --> 00:02:40,294 - We know that. - Probably. 73 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:41,562 - We know that. - All right. 74 00:02:41,628 --> 00:02:43,096 Her brother Aaron gave us their numbers. 75 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:44,064 Let's give Aaron a call. 76 00:02:44,131 --> 00:02:46,800 [line trilling] 77 00:02:46,867 --> 00:02:49,036 - Yes, hello. Is this Aaron? 78 00:02:49,102 --> 00:02:51,038 - Hey, Aaron, it's Nev. - And Kamie. 79 00:02:51,104 --> 00:02:53,440 We have a truck full of catfish... 80 00:02:53,507 --> 00:02:55,576 - That we need your help delivering. 81 00:02:55,642 --> 00:02:58,612 - [laughs] - Are you driving right now? 82 00:02:58,679 --> 00:03:00,047 [truck horn blares] 83 00:03:00,113 --> 00:03:01,215 - Oh! - Oh! 84 00:03:01,281 --> 00:03:02,916 - Oh, nice. 85 00:03:02,983 --> 00:03:06,019 We just read your email about your sister Erika. 86 00:03:06,086 --> 00:03:08,155 - And it does sound like this guy is-- 87 00:03:08,222 --> 00:03:09,723 - Fishy. - Fishy. 88 00:03:12,059 --> 00:03:13,026 - Yeah. 89 00:03:18,699 --> 00:03:20,868 - All right, well, let's just add her to this call. 90 00:03:20,934 --> 00:03:22,769 Does she know you reached out to us? 91 00:03:22,836 --> 00:03:26,106 - All right, I'm just gonna add her really fast. 92 00:03:26,173 --> 00:03:28,108 [line trilling] 93 00:03:28,175 --> 00:03:30,677 - Hey, is this Erika? 94 00:03:30,744 --> 00:03:32,913 - This is Nev from the show "Catfish." 95 00:03:32,980 --> 00:03:34,948 And I'm with my co-host Kamie. 96 00:03:35,015 --> 00:03:36,850 And I have your brother Aaron on the phone here too. 97 00:03:38,852 --> 00:03:40,721 - Aaron told us a little bit about your relationship 98 00:03:40,787 --> 00:03:43,190 with Jermaine, hoping that maybe 99 00:03:43,257 --> 00:03:44,458 we could help figure out who this guy is 100 00:03:44,525 --> 00:03:45,759 and hopefully meet up with him. 101 00:03:45,826 --> 00:03:47,494 So I just wanted to give you a call, 102 00:03:47,561 --> 00:03:49,463 see what you thought about that. 103 00:03:52,132 --> 00:03:53,867 - Right. 104 00:03:53,934 --> 00:03:55,536 [laughter] 105 00:03:57,704 --> 00:03:59,973 - OK, OK. - Thanks, Aaron. 106 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,243 - Hey, Erika. - Are you still there? 107 00:04:03,310 --> 00:04:04,745 - Hopefully you're not mad. 108 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,650 - OK, and he told us you're in Los Angeles right now. 109 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:14,655 - Have you told Jermaine that you're in LA right now? 110 00:04:21,461 --> 00:04:23,230 - What--what type of gig? 111 00:04:25,365 --> 00:04:26,533 - Huh. 112 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,669 Well, the good news is you're in LA. 113 00:04:28,735 --> 00:04:30,938 Are you free to meet up with us today? 114 00:04:31,872 --> 00:04:33,106 - So this is perfect. 115 00:04:33,173 --> 00:04:36,043 Text us where you are, and we'll head over. 116 00:04:36,109 --> 00:04:38,111 - See you soon. 117 00:04:38,912 --> 00:04:41,281 - Bye. - Bye. 118 00:04:41,348 --> 00:04:44,051 - OK. Well, here we are. 119 00:04:44,117 --> 00:04:46,820 Sunny LA. - Ugh. 120 00:04:46,887 --> 00:04:49,256 Well, if she's got us out in the rain 121 00:04:49,323 --> 00:04:52,693 and has herself out looking for homes in the rain, 122 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:55,562 he's got to be special. - Here is her Airbnb. 123 00:04:55,629 --> 00:04:57,097 [doorbell chimes] 124 00:04:57,164 --> 00:04:58,665 - Hello. - Hey. 125 00:04:58,732 --> 00:05:00,367 - Hello, Erika. - Hey, whoa. 126 00:05:00,434 --> 00:05:02,202 Are we at the right house? 127 00:05:02,269 --> 00:05:03,670 I didn't know there was a fashion show happening. 128 00:05:03,737 --> 00:05:04,938 - I like to dress up. - I didn't even dress up. 129 00:05:05,005 --> 00:05:06,707 - All this in the house. Hi. 130 00:05:06,773 --> 00:05:08,342 - Hi. - Good to meet you. 131 00:05:08,408 --> 00:05:09,409 I'm Kamie. - I'm Erika. 132 00:05:09,476 --> 00:05:10,777 Hi. Nice to meet you. 133 00:05:10,844 --> 00:05:12,045 - Nice to meet you. - You look fly. 134 00:05:12,112 --> 00:05:13,313 - Thank you. - From head to toe. 135 00:05:13,380 --> 00:05:15,082 - You look nice. 136 00:05:15,148 --> 00:05:16,416 - I like to take selfies, so I have to dress up all the time. 137 00:05:16,483 --> 00:05:18,552 - The Selfie Queen. Aaron did tell us that. 138 00:05:18,619 --> 00:05:19,586 - Yeah, I like to take selfies. 139 00:05:19,653 --> 00:05:21,255 - Shall we? - Sure. 140 00:05:21,321 --> 00:05:22,723 - We shall. 141 00:05:22,789 --> 00:05:24,391 I still can't get over this look, Erika. 142 00:05:24,458 --> 00:05:26,059 - I like to-- 143 00:05:26,126 --> 00:05:27,561 - Oh, thank you for bringing so much glamour to the show. 144 00:05:27,628 --> 00:05:29,263 - I know, I like bling. 145 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:30,664 I've been showing off my makeup and stuff. 146 00:05:30,731 --> 00:05:32,799 That's how I get my clients. - Oh. 147 00:05:32,866 --> 00:05:34,001 - I make jewelry and bling stuff. 148 00:05:34,067 --> 00:05:35,269 - Wow. Tell us about yourself. 149 00:05:35,335 --> 00:05:36,537 We don't know anything. - Yes, please. 150 00:05:36,603 --> 00:05:38,038 - I'm from New Orleans. 151 00:05:38,105 --> 00:05:39,907 I do hair, nails, and makeup. 152 00:05:39,973 --> 00:05:41,175 And I work in real estate. 153 00:05:41,241 --> 00:05:42,943 - Are you a licensed agent? - Wow. 154 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:45,345 - Yeah, I'm a licensed agent. Licensed cosmetologist too. 155 00:05:45,412 --> 00:05:47,080 - Hey. - Wow. 156 00:05:47,147 --> 00:05:48,515 - I do a little bit of everything. 157 00:05:48,582 --> 00:05:49,983 - Love it. 158 00:05:50,050 --> 00:05:52,019 And any, like, long-term relationships? 159 00:05:52,085 --> 00:05:53,820 - I was engaged before. - Oh. 160 00:05:53,887 --> 00:05:55,122 - I was engaged for like a year. 161 00:05:55,189 --> 00:05:56,323 We was together. 162 00:05:56,390 --> 00:05:58,192 And then ever since then, I've been single. 163 00:05:58,258 --> 00:06:00,427 - When was that? - That was in 2006. 164 00:06:00,494 --> 00:06:02,429 - Mm. - It's been a while. 165 00:06:02,496 --> 00:06:03,764 - So it's been a minute. 166 00:06:03,830 --> 00:06:05,999 So how did you meet Jermaine? 167 00:06:06,066 --> 00:06:07,301 - I had made a post, I guess, because I post 168 00:06:07,367 --> 00:06:08,735 so many pictures. 169 00:06:08,802 --> 00:06:10,237 And of course, I'm always fly when I post. 170 00:06:10,304 --> 00:06:11,572 And he started posting. 171 00:06:11,638 --> 00:06:13,073 And he messaged me and was like, 172 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:14,641 "I guess you think you're looking good today?" 173 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:15,876 And I was like, "Yeah." 174 00:06:15,943 --> 00:06:17,344 And we just started talking, 175 00:06:17,411 --> 00:06:19,079 chatted a few times on Facebook, 176 00:06:19,146 --> 00:06:21,081 exchanged numbers, and we just got really cool. 177 00:06:21,148 --> 00:06:23,150 - How soon after that first message 178 00:06:23,217 --> 00:06:24,651 did you guys start talking, like-- 179 00:06:24,718 --> 00:06:25,886 - Probably after like the fifth text? 180 00:06:25,953 --> 00:06:27,654 - So day one. - Yeah. 181 00:06:27,721 --> 00:06:29,923 I met him online in 2019. 182 00:06:29,990 --> 00:06:32,092 - So you dated through the pandemic, 183 00:06:32,159 --> 00:06:34,294 like, for three years? - Yeah. 184 00:06:34,361 --> 00:06:38,765 He had just pretty much moved from Dallas to Los Angeles. 185 00:06:38,832 --> 00:06:40,434 - So he lived in Dallas, moved to LA. 186 00:06:40,501 --> 00:06:41,835 - Yeah. - What's he like? 187 00:06:41,902 --> 00:06:44,238 What's his deal? - He's a really nice guy. 188 00:06:44,304 --> 00:06:46,106 I kind of met him when I was going through, 189 00:06:46,173 --> 00:06:48,008 like, some of the toughest times in my life. 190 00:06:48,075 --> 00:06:49,443 And that's how we really got close. 191 00:06:49,510 --> 00:06:51,578 When I first met him, I had ovarian cancer. 192 00:06:51,645 --> 00:06:53,280 I had a-- 193 00:06:53,347 --> 00:06:54,948 I had a cyst in my stomach that when they took it out, 194 00:06:55,015 --> 00:06:55,983 it was, like, 40 pounds. 195 00:06:56,049 --> 00:06:57,150 So yeah. Didn't eat. 196 00:06:57,217 --> 00:06:58,552 - Wow. 197 00:06:58,619 --> 00:07:00,254 - It was crazy cause I used to go to the doctor. 198 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,190 They--for a year, they told me I had acid reflux. 199 00:07:03,257 --> 00:07:04,758 And all the while, it was, like, cancer. 200 00:07:04,825 --> 00:07:07,094 - They never did, like, any X-rays or anything like that? 201 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,062 - Nope, not till the last time I went to the hospital 202 00:07:09,129 --> 00:07:11,098 and I found out that I had cancer. 203 00:07:11,164 --> 00:07:12,833 - This is that [bleep] I hear about all the time. 204 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:14,101 - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. 205 00:07:14,168 --> 00:07:15,769 - Doctors just don't listen to women. 206 00:07:15,836 --> 00:07:17,304 - They don't listen to Black women at all. 207 00:07:17,371 --> 00:07:18,639 - I always say that-- Black women in particular. 208 00:07:18,705 --> 00:07:20,174 Yeah. - It's insane. 209 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,642 Well, I'm glad that they were able to find it. 210 00:07:21,708 --> 00:07:23,010 - Yeah, me too. 211 00:07:23,076 --> 00:07:24,778 - And you're here, and you're healthy. 212 00:07:24,845 --> 00:07:26,280 - Yeah. 213 00:07:26,346 --> 00:07:28,615 - And so what was Jermaine like for you during all that? 214 00:07:28,682 --> 00:07:31,018 - He was so positive. Like, he would motivate me. 215 00:07:31,084 --> 00:07:33,220 I was really sick from going through chemo 216 00:07:33,287 --> 00:07:35,189 where I couldn't even get out the bed, 217 00:07:35,255 --> 00:07:36,890 but he just always had me laughing 218 00:07:36,957 --> 00:07:38,625 and checking on me throughout the day. 219 00:07:38,692 --> 00:07:40,894 He was somebody I could talk to just about anything. 220 00:07:40,961 --> 00:07:43,063 He really was there for me. 221 00:07:43,130 --> 00:07:44,932 It was like I met him when I really needed somebody, 222 00:07:44,998 --> 00:07:46,633 I guess. He made me happy. 223 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:48,335 He made me smile. 224 00:07:48,402 --> 00:07:50,003 I never really met nobody that really inspired me 225 00:07:50,070 --> 00:07:51,538 and, I mean, made me want to, like, do something, 226 00:07:51,605 --> 00:07:53,173 like, different, like him taking 227 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,209 a chance moving out here from Dallas 228 00:07:55,275 --> 00:07:57,077 to pursue his dream. - And what does he do? 229 00:07:57,144 --> 00:07:59,012 - He work in the film production. 230 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:01,448 He does a little acting. But more, he help build sets. 231 00:08:01,515 --> 00:08:05,085 - Oh. If that's true, that's cool. 232 00:08:05,152 --> 00:08:06,753 - Does he have kids? - No. 233 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:07,955 I asked him about kids. 234 00:08:08,021 --> 00:08:09,089 I asked him, has he been married. 235 00:08:09,156 --> 00:08:10,691 I even asked him, was he gay. 236 00:08:10,757 --> 00:08:12,526 - So you obviously think-- you know 237 00:08:12,593 --> 00:08:14,328 that there's something weird about this-- 238 00:08:14,394 --> 00:08:15,863 - Yeah, I feel it's something weird 239 00:08:15,929 --> 00:08:17,297 'cause I feel like certain times of the day, 240 00:08:17,364 --> 00:08:19,233 I would call, he wouldn't answer. 241 00:08:19,299 --> 00:08:20,734 He would send me a text right away. 242 00:08:20,801 --> 00:08:22,736 He'll be like, "Nah, just-- I can't really talk much." 243 00:08:22,803 --> 00:08:24,104 I'm like, "Whatever." 244 00:08:24,171 --> 00:08:25,472 But then there's times we on the phone 245 00:08:25,539 --> 00:08:28,308 for, like, long hours, and so-- so it's weird. 246 00:08:28,375 --> 00:08:29,977 - Aaron told us that Jermaine, he'd actually 247 00:08:30,043 --> 00:08:32,379 been to New Orleans. - Yeah, he's been-- 248 00:08:32,446 --> 00:08:34,081 - How did that come up, and why didn't you meet? 249 00:08:34,147 --> 00:08:35,782 - So the first time he came to New Orleans, 250 00:08:35,849 --> 00:08:37,150 he was like, "I want to see you." 251 00:08:37,217 --> 00:08:38,585 So I'm like, "OK." So I called him. 252 00:08:38,652 --> 00:08:39,753 I was like, "What's up?" 253 00:08:39,820 --> 00:08:40,821 He was like, "Oh, I had to leave." 254 00:08:40,888 --> 00:08:42,589 - Leave New Orleans? - Yeah. 255 00:08:42,656 --> 00:08:44,324 He was like, "I was in a rush. I had to leave." 256 00:08:44,391 --> 00:08:46,026 And the second time, he was like, 257 00:08:46,093 --> 00:08:47,561 "I'ma be in New Orleans. 258 00:08:47,628 --> 00:08:50,330 So, again, he gave me a time when he got there. 259 00:08:50,397 --> 00:08:52,566 And then he just pretty much ghosted me. 260 00:08:52,633 --> 00:08:53,934 He didn't answer. 261 00:08:54,001 --> 00:08:55,335 - And did you get upset with him about that? 262 00:08:55,402 --> 00:08:56,737 - Yeah, I was pissed, so I stopped talking to him 263 00:08:56,803 --> 00:08:58,338 for, like, a few days. - OK. 264 00:08:58,405 --> 00:09:01,074 - And then I had some time off, so I came to LA in June. 265 00:09:01,141 --> 00:09:02,209 And I told him ahead of time. 266 00:09:02,276 --> 00:09:03,577 I was like, "Oh, I'ma be in LA." 267 00:09:03,644 --> 00:09:05,345 And he was like, "Oh, I'ma be in Dallas." 268 00:09:05,412 --> 00:09:06,980 I'm like, "What the [bleep]?" 269 00:09:07,047 --> 00:09:08,482 - Yeah. - So I don't know. 270 00:09:08,549 --> 00:09:10,017 That's why I feel like he's hiding something. 271 00:09:10,083 --> 00:09:11,418 But then when we talk, it's like he's 272 00:09:11,485 --> 00:09:12,553 a whole different person. 273 00:09:12,619 --> 00:09:14,188 - What kind of stuff does he say, 274 00:09:14,254 --> 00:09:15,989 though, about, like, your future together? 275 00:09:16,056 --> 00:09:17,691 Does he talk about that? - Like, we talk. 276 00:09:17,758 --> 00:09:19,193 And I was like, "Well, 277 00:09:19,259 --> 00:09:20,861 I've been wanting to move out here, so..." 278 00:09:20,928 --> 00:09:22,296 He was like, "If you move out here, 279 00:09:22,362 --> 00:09:23,897 we definitely gonna be together." 280 00:09:23,964 --> 00:09:26,066 I'll be like, "So what are we? Are you my boyfriend?" 281 00:09:26,133 --> 00:09:27,434 And he'll be like, "Yeah, I'll take that." 282 00:09:27,501 --> 00:09:28,802 - Do you talk about starting a family? 283 00:09:28,869 --> 00:09:29,937 Is that something that you both want? 284 00:09:30,003 --> 00:09:31,071 - Yeah, I told him I wanted kids, 285 00:09:31,138 --> 00:09:32,506 but I wanted to be married first. 286 00:09:32,573 --> 00:09:33,707 I don't want to just have a kid without being married. 287 00:09:33,774 --> 00:09:35,509 - Right. 288 00:09:35,576 --> 00:09:37,144 - Well, he's got to get his ass here then. 289 00:09:37,211 --> 00:09:38,278 - I know. I want to see him. 290 00:09:38,345 --> 00:09:39,580 [laughter] 291 00:09:39,646 --> 00:09:42,015 - And no FaceTiming, obviously. - Nope. 292 00:09:42,082 --> 00:09:43,517 Every time I ask him about FaceTime, 293 00:09:43,584 --> 00:09:45,252 and he'll be like, "OK, I'ma be working, 294 00:09:45,319 --> 00:09:47,120 but I have some free time at this time." 295 00:09:47,187 --> 00:09:48,589 And then when it's time to FaceTime, 296 00:09:48,655 --> 00:09:50,123 I don't hear from him. 297 00:09:50,190 --> 00:09:51,925 So after a while, I just got tired of asking. 298 00:09:51,992 --> 00:09:53,227 So I never even worry about it. 299 00:09:53,293 --> 00:09:54,728 - And he's never sent you a video. 300 00:09:54,795 --> 00:09:57,097 - No. - But he is on Facebook. 301 00:09:57,164 --> 00:09:58,232 And is he on anything else? 302 00:10:00,868 --> 00:10:02,269 - Can we see-- can you show them? 303 00:10:02,336 --> 00:10:03,904 - Yeah, I have some pictures of him. 304 00:10:05,506 --> 00:10:06,974 So here's a few pictures. 305 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,041 - OK. - Wow. 306 00:10:08,108 --> 00:10:09,643 He's got that mysterious-- 307 00:10:09,710 --> 00:10:11,178 - Mm-hmm, dreadhead vibe. 308 00:10:11,245 --> 00:10:12,713 You like the dreads? - Yeah, I like the dreads. 309 00:10:12,779 --> 00:10:13,881 It's cute. 310 00:10:13,947 --> 00:10:14,815 - All right, go to the next one. 311 00:10:14,882 --> 00:10:17,150 - It's cute. - OK. 312 00:10:17,217 --> 00:10:19,586 On the beach. - Baby. 313 00:10:19,653 --> 00:10:21,088 - OK, yeah, that's on a production truck. 314 00:10:21,154 --> 00:10:22,422 Promising. - Mm. 315 00:10:22,489 --> 00:10:23,790 - It's a very production-y vibe. 316 00:10:23,857 --> 00:10:24,992 Looks sweet. - That's another one. 317 00:10:25,058 --> 00:10:26,627 - In a limo. - Mm-hmm. 318 00:10:26,693 --> 00:10:28,328 - That's pretty much it. 319 00:10:28,395 --> 00:10:30,063 That's the one he sent to me, but it's on his page too. 320 00:10:30,130 --> 00:10:32,299 - He say how he found your page in the first place? 321 00:10:32,366 --> 00:10:33,734 - No, 'cause I even went and looked 322 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,102 to see if we had mutual friends, 323 00:10:35,169 --> 00:10:36,703 but there's nobody that I know. 324 00:10:36,770 --> 00:10:38,172 Because people just be following me on social media 325 00:10:38,238 --> 00:10:39,640 because I do the makeup and all that. 326 00:10:39,706 --> 00:10:41,708 So people may see me on somebody else's page 327 00:10:41,775 --> 00:10:43,644 and follow, so... - Mm-hmm. 328 00:10:43,710 --> 00:10:45,412 Hmm. 329 00:10:45,479 --> 00:10:47,548 - Well, look, hard to say at this point. 330 00:10:47,614 --> 00:10:50,150 Clearly, this person has feelings for you. 331 00:10:50,217 --> 00:10:53,153 The question is, is he the exact person 332 00:10:53,220 --> 00:10:55,389 he's presented himself to be? 333 00:10:55,455 --> 00:10:57,824 Send us whatever you have, and we'll dig in 334 00:10:57,891 --> 00:11:00,194 first thing in the morning, and we'll meet back up. 335 00:11:00,260 --> 00:11:02,563 - OK. All right. 336 00:11:02,629 --> 00:11:04,765 - Thank you. 337 00:11:04,831 --> 00:11:06,900 See ya. - Stay dry. 338 00:11:06,967 --> 00:11:08,869 - We'll try. 339 00:11:08,936 --> 00:11:10,571 - All right, Kamie. 340 00:11:10,637 --> 00:11:12,105 What do you think? 341 00:11:12,172 --> 00:11:15,843 - I think Jermaine is who he says he is. 342 00:11:15,909 --> 00:11:17,578 - Wow, really? - That's my intuition. 343 00:11:17,644 --> 00:11:19,813 - Your first instinct is that he is not lying. 344 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,582 - He's not lying about who he is... 345 00:11:21,648 --> 00:11:22,950 - Okay, ah. 346 00:11:23,016 --> 00:11:24,818 - But he is lying about something significant. 347 00:11:24,885 --> 00:11:28,222 And I feel that whatever Jermaine 348 00:11:28,288 --> 00:11:30,657 has to tell her is gonna break her heart. 349 00:11:35,896 --> 00:11:38,398 - Shall we? - Thank you. 350 00:11:38,465 --> 00:11:39,967 What a gentleman. 351 00:11:40,033 --> 00:11:41,869 [bright music] 352 00:11:41,935 --> 00:11:44,204 - All right. - What do we got? 353 00:11:44,271 --> 00:11:46,039 - Erika and Jermaine have been talking for three years. 354 00:11:46,106 --> 00:11:47,975 Jermaine was incredibly supportive 355 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:49,109 through a very difficult period of time. 356 00:11:49,176 --> 00:11:50,377 - Yeah. 357 00:11:50,444 --> 00:11:51,612 - Then he says he's in New Orleans... 358 00:11:51,678 --> 00:11:53,647 - Twice. - Twice. 359 00:11:53,714 --> 00:11:55,115 But he doesn't make plans to meet up with her. 360 00:11:55,182 --> 00:11:56,950 Then she comes to LA, and he's all of a sudden 361 00:11:57,017 --> 00:11:59,386 not in LA. And he won't FaceTime. 362 00:11:59,453 --> 00:12:01,355 Clearly something's going on. 363 00:12:01,421 --> 00:12:02,789 Your gut feeling was that you think 364 00:12:02,856 --> 00:12:04,358 this guy isn't lying about who he is 365 00:12:04,424 --> 00:12:07,327 but that he's hiding or lying about some part of his life. 366 00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:09,930 - I think he's married or has a girlfriend. 367 00:12:09,997 --> 00:12:11,765 Like, why are you being weird? - Right. 368 00:12:11,832 --> 00:12:13,066 Something's going on. 369 00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:15,769 Enter Nev and Kamie. So let's see. 370 00:12:15,836 --> 00:12:18,472 What do we got? Details on Jermaine. 371 00:12:18,539 --> 00:12:19,873 "Hi, Nev and Kamie. 372 00:12:19,940 --> 00:12:21,074 "Thank you so much for reading my brother's email 373 00:12:21,141 --> 00:12:22,442 "and for deciding to help me out. 374 00:12:22,509 --> 00:12:24,678 "Jermaine Johnson is 36. 375 00:12:24,745 --> 00:12:28,415 "He's from Dallas, Texas, but moved to Los Angeles. 376 00:12:28,482 --> 00:12:31,051 His phone number..." which is an LA phone number. 377 00:12:31,118 --> 00:12:33,253 "You can see his Facebook profile here. 378 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,623 "Here is his Instagram page, but we never talked on there. 379 00:12:36,690 --> 00:12:37,991 "Call me if you need anything else 380 00:12:38,058 --> 00:12:39,359 or if you have any questions." All right. 381 00:12:39,426 --> 00:12:40,894 So what do you want to do? 382 00:12:40,961 --> 00:12:42,162 You want to start with his Facebook, check him out? 383 00:12:42,229 --> 00:12:43,630 - Yeah. - Let's see what he's got. 384 00:12:43,697 --> 00:12:45,365 Jermaine Johnson. 385 00:12:45,432 --> 00:12:48,468 "I am a humble and hungry actor who is driven 386 00:12:48,535 --> 00:12:50,904 by passion and love for the arts." 387 00:12:50,971 --> 00:12:53,807 Well, let's look at these pictures. 388 00:12:53,874 --> 00:12:55,776 It's weird that no one commented 389 00:12:55,843 --> 00:12:57,311 or liked any of these. 390 00:12:57,377 --> 00:13:01,215 I mean, the Facebook page does feel a little thin. 391 00:13:01,281 --> 00:13:02,749 - Right. 392 00:13:02,816 --> 00:13:04,151 - It doesn't have any info on there, 393 00:13:04,218 --> 00:13:07,721 and he hasn't posted that much. - Right. 394 00:13:07,788 --> 00:13:10,190 - OK, there is a few production stills. 395 00:13:10,257 --> 00:13:13,527 "Murder Made Me Famous." Let's look that up. 396 00:13:13,594 --> 00:13:14,895 That looks like the name of a movie. 397 00:13:14,962 --> 00:13:17,631 "Murder made me famous." It's a TV series. 398 00:13:17,698 --> 00:13:19,299 Let's look it up. 399 00:13:19,366 --> 00:13:22,069 You think he would be credited for that? 400 00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:24,605 - Jermaine Johnson. - Shut the [bleep] up! 401 00:13:24,671 --> 00:13:25,939 - Four episodes. 402 00:13:26,006 --> 00:13:28,408 I told you. It's him. 403 00:13:28,475 --> 00:13:30,978 - That's him. - Art department. 404 00:13:31,044 --> 00:13:32,346 - He does exactly what he says he does. 405 00:13:32,412 --> 00:13:34,381 He works in production, and sometimes he acts. 406 00:13:34,448 --> 00:13:35,983 Wow, this is the guy. 407 00:13:36,049 --> 00:13:38,151 But is it possible that someone 408 00:13:38,218 --> 00:13:40,420 is talking to her who's stealing 409 00:13:40,487 --> 00:13:43,624 Jermaine Johnson's identity? - I mean, is it possible? 410 00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:46,059 Yes. That Facebook is a little sus. 411 00:13:46,126 --> 00:13:48,929 - The Facebook feels off to me. She gave us his Instagram. 412 00:13:48,996 --> 00:13:50,697 Yeah, let's check that out. - Yeah. 413 00:13:50,764 --> 00:13:52,533 - He's got posts. Looks like-- 414 00:13:52,599 --> 00:13:53,967 - Oh, look at that comment. 415 00:13:54,034 --> 00:13:56,336 "Next time I see you, we smokin' them big ones." 416 00:13:56,403 --> 00:13:58,605 - Look, he's tagging people. Everyone's commenting. 417 00:13:58,672 --> 00:14:00,507 I think this Instagram account is legit. 418 00:14:00,574 --> 00:14:03,110 - Just for them to have never talked on Instagram-- 419 00:14:03,177 --> 00:14:04,912 does she follow him on Instagram? 420 00:14:04,978 --> 00:14:07,347 - I would assume she follows him. 421 00:14:07,414 --> 00:14:08,882 Jermaine. OK. 422 00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:11,685 Let's go to his followers. 423 00:14:11,752 --> 00:14:14,154 - Yeah, here we go. - She follows him. 424 00:14:14,221 --> 00:14:15,722 They don't talk on his Instagram. 425 00:14:15,789 --> 00:14:17,491 - No, they only talk 426 00:14:17,558 --> 00:14:19,026 on Facebook and texting now. 427 00:14:19,092 --> 00:14:21,862 - Which means that this is a real page for a real guy 428 00:14:21,929 --> 00:14:25,265 who maybe just doesn't have any idea 429 00:14:25,332 --> 00:14:28,202 who Erika is other than maybe noticing her 430 00:14:28,268 --> 00:14:29,937 as one of his followers. 431 00:14:30,003 --> 00:14:32,372 Because he's got a ton of photos, lots of friends, 432 00:14:32,439 --> 00:14:37,010 comments, but his Facebook feels kind of thin to me. 433 00:14:37,077 --> 00:14:38,879 It's not impossible that someone's 434 00:14:38,946 --> 00:14:41,515 been using this Facebook to talk to Erika 435 00:14:41,582 --> 00:14:43,584 pretending to be him. - Yeah. 436 00:14:43,650 --> 00:14:45,185 - I mean, I-- if we could just get 437 00:14:45,252 --> 00:14:47,421 one person to confirm that's his real Facebook, 438 00:14:47,487 --> 00:14:48,956 then it's him. 439 00:14:49,022 --> 00:14:50,958 - Why don't we contact that guy from the comment, 440 00:14:51,024 --> 00:14:52,759 the one of the cigar? 441 00:14:52,826 --> 00:14:55,762 - That "Boy P-nut." - Danal. 442 00:14:55,829 --> 00:14:59,333 - I'm sending a little note to Danal P-nut. 443 00:14:59,399 --> 00:15:00,701 - P-nut knows him. 444 00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:02,236 - Let's look up Jermaine's number. 445 00:15:02,302 --> 00:15:03,270 If it comes back to Jermaine Johnson, 446 00:15:03,337 --> 00:15:07,374 he's close. - Johnny Jercore? 447 00:15:07,441 --> 00:15:10,310 - Johnny Jercore? That's interesting. 448 00:15:10,377 --> 00:15:11,578 Huh. - Yeah. 449 00:15:11,645 --> 00:15:12,913 [phone ringing] - Oh. 450 00:15:12,980 --> 00:15:14,414 - Somebody's calling from Texas. 451 00:15:14,481 --> 00:15:17,150 - Oh, Texas. Hello? 452 00:15:17,217 --> 00:15:18,385 - "Da-nahl?" 453 00:15:18,452 --> 00:15:19,353 - Danal. Sorry about that. 454 00:15:19,419 --> 00:15:20,521 Hey, this is Nev. 455 00:15:20,587 --> 00:15:21,822 We're filming an episode of "Catfish." 456 00:15:21,889 --> 00:15:23,991 You know the show? 457 00:15:24,057 --> 00:15:26,159 - We're just trying to confirm something 458 00:15:26,226 --> 00:15:28,462 about a person I think you know 459 00:15:28,529 --> 00:15:31,098 named Jermaine Johnson. 460 00:15:35,602 --> 00:15:37,971 - Well, just trying to make sure 461 00:15:38,038 --> 00:15:39,373 all the information that we have about him 462 00:15:39,439 --> 00:15:40,741 is accurate. 463 00:15:46,013 --> 00:15:47,114 with them kids, at his mom's house, so... 464 00:15:47,181 --> 00:15:48,849 - Sorry, [bleep], I lost you for a second. 465 00:15:48,916 --> 00:15:50,350 What was that what you just said? 466 00:15:50,417 --> 00:15:51,418 [phone beeps] 467 00:15:51,485 --> 00:15:52,719 - He said he doesn't have a problem 468 00:15:52,786 --> 00:15:54,721 with kids and something? The mom? What? 469 00:15:54,788 --> 00:15:55,923 Did I--was I hearing that-- 470 00:15:55,989 --> 00:15:57,424 - What--what-- what did he just say? 471 00:15:57,491 --> 00:15:59,293 - Kids and mom. I heard "kids" and "mom." 472 00:15:59,359 --> 00:16:01,128 - Dustin, can you play that back for us? 473 00:16:02,763 --> 00:16:04,431 - Cool, let's do it. 474 00:16:09,870 --> 00:16:11,004 - Press play. - Okay. 475 00:16:15,542 --> 00:16:16,944 With them kids, at his mom's house, so... 476 00:16:17,010 --> 00:16:18,378 - Kids with the mom. 477 00:16:18,445 --> 00:16:20,614 He's always got something-- kids with the mom. 478 00:16:20,681 --> 00:16:22,716 - There was something there. Kids with the mom. 479 00:16:22,783 --> 00:16:24,084 Thank you. 480 00:16:25,219 --> 00:16:27,487 - Huh. Well, that is interesting. 481 00:16:27,554 --> 00:16:30,057 We've got to go talk to Erika. - Something's up. 482 00:16:30,123 --> 00:16:32,092 - If Jermaine is who he says he is, 483 00:16:32,159 --> 00:16:33,627 then the stranger and more mysterious 484 00:16:33,694 --> 00:16:34,995 this becomes. 485 00:16:39,833 --> 00:16:40,701 - There's two theories I think 486 00:16:40,767 --> 00:16:42,503 that make sense right now. 487 00:16:42,569 --> 00:16:44,371 One, Erika is talking to Jermaine. 488 00:16:44,438 --> 00:16:45,939 The guy in the picture is totally legit 489 00:16:46,006 --> 00:16:48,408 but has been hiding something from her, possibly-- 490 00:16:48,475 --> 00:16:50,043 - The kids are with the mom. 491 00:16:50,110 --> 00:16:52,379 - Possibly a baby mama and some children. 492 00:16:52,446 --> 00:16:54,314 - Mm. - Other theory. 493 00:16:54,381 --> 00:16:57,618 Jermaine is real, but the Facebook page 494 00:16:57,684 --> 00:17:00,053 was set up by someone pretending to be him. 495 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,322 - Because she doesn't talk to him on Instagram. 496 00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:04,491 - Either way, not good news for Erika. 497 00:17:04,558 --> 00:17:07,461 - Yeah. - All right. 498 00:17:07,528 --> 00:17:09,162 [soft dramatic music] 499 00:17:09,229 --> 00:17:11,431 - Hi. - Good to see you. 500 00:17:11,498 --> 00:17:13,066 - Come on in. 501 00:17:15,102 --> 00:17:17,070 - How was your day? - I don't know. 502 00:17:17,137 --> 00:17:18,438 Just getting tired of the-- 503 00:17:18,505 --> 00:17:20,440 pretty much getting tired of the situation. 504 00:17:20,507 --> 00:17:22,910 But I mean, I care a lot about him, so... 505 00:17:22,976 --> 00:17:24,845 I'm just at a point where it's like, 506 00:17:24,912 --> 00:17:27,447 I need to know what's going on so either we can move forward 507 00:17:27,514 --> 00:17:30,517 or I can just move on. 508 00:17:30,584 --> 00:17:33,787 But hopefully, it's forward with him. 509 00:17:33,854 --> 00:17:36,390 - Well, we did some research on him. 510 00:17:36,456 --> 00:17:38,559 So we'll walk you through what we found. 511 00:17:38,625 --> 00:17:40,994 So we did a search on a website that is basically 512 00:17:41,061 --> 00:17:44,464 like the most official place for anybody in the movie, 513 00:17:44,531 --> 00:17:47,301 TV, theater industry to be listed. 514 00:17:47,367 --> 00:17:48,635 It's very legit. 515 00:17:48,702 --> 00:17:52,606 And sure enough, Jermaine Johnson has a page. 516 00:17:52,673 --> 00:17:54,107 He's done a lot of stuff. 517 00:17:54,174 --> 00:17:56,043 He's done--he's worked on 16 different projects 518 00:17:56,109 --> 00:17:57,544 in the last few years. 519 00:17:57,611 --> 00:17:59,179 It lists some movies, most recently "The Woman King." 520 00:17:59,246 --> 00:18:01,181 Just came out. - He's in the art department. 521 00:18:01,248 --> 00:18:02,816 - Yeah, which is exactly what he's told you. 522 00:18:02,883 --> 00:18:04,418 - Yeah. 523 00:18:04,484 --> 00:18:06,153 - So the guy in the pictures, his name is Jermaine Johnson. 524 00:18:06,220 --> 00:18:07,721 He works in LA. 525 00:18:07,788 --> 00:18:09,790 He does all the things he sort of says he does-- 526 00:18:09,857 --> 00:18:13,927 production, acting, exactly. 527 00:18:13,994 --> 00:18:17,564 And when we go to Instagram, we see a very similar person. 528 00:18:17,631 --> 00:18:18,799 People are tagged. 529 00:18:18,866 --> 00:18:20,601 He's tagged, all of which makes us 530 00:18:20,667 --> 00:18:23,971 feel very confident that this is Jermaine. 531 00:18:24,037 --> 00:18:26,373 It's him. Now, you follow him. 532 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,875 - Yeah. 533 00:18:27,941 --> 00:18:30,511 - But you have never interacted on Instagram? 534 00:18:30,577 --> 00:18:33,547 - No, we don't talk on Instagram, just Facebook. 535 00:18:33,614 --> 00:18:35,449 - Interesting. 536 00:18:35,516 --> 00:18:37,551 Because his Facebook page, where you met, 537 00:18:37,618 --> 00:18:40,387 is not full of content. He's not tagging people. 538 00:18:40,454 --> 00:18:41,889 There's no comments. 539 00:18:41,955 --> 00:18:43,790 My first instinct would be, like, 540 00:18:43,857 --> 00:18:46,693 this profile is a little fishy. - Yeah. 541 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,062 - We started thinking, could it be 542 00:18:49,129 --> 00:18:54,635 that whoever runs this page is not Jermaine Johnson, 543 00:18:54,701 --> 00:18:58,272 and that someone made a fake account of Jermaine 544 00:18:58,338 --> 00:19:00,374 and uses it to talk to people? 545 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,042 - People have done it before. 546 00:19:02,109 --> 00:19:03,710 And the fact that you don't talk to him 547 00:19:03,777 --> 00:19:05,579 at all on Instagram, it's a little weird. 548 00:19:05,646 --> 00:19:08,148 - We don't never talk on Instagram all. 549 00:19:08,215 --> 00:19:09,950 - So check this out. 550 00:19:10,017 --> 00:19:12,753 On his most recent Instagram post, 551 00:19:12,819 --> 00:19:15,255 someone commented, that "Boy P-nut." 552 00:19:15,322 --> 00:19:18,125 He said, "Next time I see you, we smoking them big ones." 553 00:19:18,192 --> 00:19:19,826 That to us felt like, oh, maybe this is 554 00:19:19,893 --> 00:19:22,229 someone he's friends with. - Yeah. 555 00:19:22,296 --> 00:19:24,965 - We sent a message. This guy did call us back. 556 00:19:25,032 --> 00:19:27,935 And he was curious why we wanted 557 00:19:28,001 --> 00:19:31,638 to ask him about Jermaine and wasn't really excited 558 00:19:31,705 --> 00:19:33,841 to answer questions. 559 00:19:33,907 --> 00:19:36,043 Hold on, let me play it for you because I want you 560 00:19:36,109 --> 00:19:38,178 to kind of make your own judgment. 561 00:19:42,749 --> 00:19:43,984 he already got enough problems 562 00:19:44,051 --> 00:19:45,052 with them kids at his mom's house. 563 00:19:45,118 --> 00:19:46,420 - The [bleep]? 564 00:19:46,486 --> 00:19:48,655 He's having problems with his kids and his mom? 565 00:19:48,722 --> 00:19:50,090 - "Problems," is that what you think? 566 00:19:50,157 --> 00:19:52,292 - He's probably with his kids at his mom's house. 567 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,127 - At his mom's. - Wow. 568 00:19:54,194 --> 00:19:57,064 - So assuming this is really the person you're talking to, 569 00:19:57,130 --> 00:20:00,701 it's starting to look like this guy might have some kids. 570 00:20:00,767 --> 00:20:02,503 - So that's what he been probably hiding. 571 00:20:02,569 --> 00:20:03,804 I asked him before did he have kids. 572 00:20:03,871 --> 00:20:06,306 He said no. I've asked him multiple times. 573 00:20:06,373 --> 00:20:09,610 That's stupid to lie about. 574 00:20:09,676 --> 00:20:12,679 That--that's crazy. - Yeah. 575 00:20:12,746 --> 00:20:14,281 - Why would you hide your kids? - That is where-- 576 00:20:14,348 --> 00:20:15,749 - If you lie about your kid, no telling what else 577 00:20:15,816 --> 00:20:17,484 you would lie about. - Exactly. 578 00:20:17,551 --> 00:20:19,219 - Why would he not say that? 579 00:20:19,286 --> 00:20:22,489 - He may have been lying about what level of interaction 580 00:20:22,556 --> 00:20:25,826 he's having with their mom. 581 00:20:25,893 --> 00:20:27,694 - That makes sense how he can't talk 582 00:20:27,761 --> 00:20:29,696 at certain times of the day, acting like 583 00:20:29,763 --> 00:20:31,632 he hiding talking and all that. 584 00:20:31,698 --> 00:20:33,534 So he lied. 585 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,469 - Well, he's lying about something. 586 00:20:35,536 --> 00:20:37,004 He either isn't the real Jermaine, 587 00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:40,641 or he is and is lying about his kids and all this. 588 00:20:40,707 --> 00:20:42,876 So where does that leave you? 589 00:20:42,943 --> 00:20:44,711 - I'm pissed because, like, 590 00:20:44,778 --> 00:20:45,979 I've been talking to you 591 00:20:46,046 --> 00:20:47,447 for damn near three years, and you lied. 592 00:20:47,514 --> 00:20:49,983 - ♪♪ You went from the love of my life ♪♪ 593 00:20:50,050 --> 00:20:53,520 ♪♪ To somebody I don't know. ♪♪ 594 00:20:53,587 --> 00:20:55,422 - You lie about something big like that, 595 00:20:55,489 --> 00:20:57,424 no telling what else you'll lie about. 596 00:20:57,491 --> 00:21:03,997 - ♪♪ Let go of something good ♪♪ 597 00:21:08,869 --> 00:21:10,270 - I don't think we have enough to say 598 00:21:10,337 --> 00:21:12,272 beyond a shadow of a doubt that he has kids. 599 00:21:12,339 --> 00:21:13,540 - Well, obviously that's somebody 600 00:21:13,607 --> 00:21:15,075 that know him that said that, so-- 601 00:21:15,142 --> 00:21:16,643 - Yeah, and there's still a chance 602 00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:19,079 that's not even the guy you're talking to. 603 00:21:19,146 --> 00:21:20,981 It's all a little unclear. 604 00:21:21,048 --> 00:21:23,684 I think it seems to be pointing in that direction. 605 00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:26,520 I'm not ready, personally, to say, "Oh, that's it. 606 00:21:26,587 --> 00:21:28,589 He lied about his kids." - I am. 607 00:21:28,655 --> 00:21:30,424 - You taking up for him? - I'm not taking up for him. 608 00:21:30,490 --> 00:21:31,725 I'm trying to keep... 609 00:21:31,792 --> 00:21:33,560 - Well, if he have kids, then he hid it. 610 00:21:33,627 --> 00:21:35,629 - Our minds open. 611 00:21:35,696 --> 00:21:38,665 - [laughs] - Innocent until proven guilty. 612 00:21:38,732 --> 00:21:40,634 - He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. 613 00:21:40,701 --> 00:21:43,804 - I'm just not ready to rest my case on P-nut's testimony, 614 00:21:43,871 --> 00:21:45,372 all right? 615 00:21:45,439 --> 00:21:47,241 - P-nuts usually tell the truth. 616 00:21:50,677 --> 00:21:51,979 - Town snitch. 617 00:21:52,045 --> 00:21:56,216 - Let's contact Jermaine and just put it out there. 618 00:21:56,283 --> 00:21:59,620 "Hey, we're here in LA with Erika. 619 00:21:59,686 --> 00:22:01,188 Can you meet us?" 620 00:22:01,255 --> 00:22:02,623 - Yeah. - All right, great. 621 00:22:02,689 --> 00:22:06,260 I'm gonna send a text. This is "Catfish." 622 00:22:06,326 --> 00:22:10,063 I'm here in LA with Erika, 623 00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:13,767 hoping we can help you guys 624 00:22:13,834 --> 00:22:15,169 finally meet. 625 00:22:15,235 --> 00:22:17,204 All right. It says delivered. 626 00:22:17,271 --> 00:22:19,072 Does he usually respond promptly? 627 00:22:19,139 --> 00:22:20,741 - It just-- if he's at work, 628 00:22:20,807 --> 00:22:22,176 it'll take him a minute to respond, but-- 629 00:22:22,242 --> 00:22:23,577 - Right. - No telling when. 630 00:22:23,644 --> 00:22:24,978 [phone chimes] - Oh. 631 00:22:25,045 --> 00:22:26,180 Whoa. Whoa. 632 00:22:26,246 --> 00:22:28,215 He said, "Huh? Help us meet? 633 00:22:28,282 --> 00:22:29,483 "I'm sort of confused. 634 00:22:29,550 --> 00:22:31,318 Why would we need help meeting?" 635 00:22:31,385 --> 00:22:33,353 I mean-- - Because you haven't? 636 00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:35,022 - Always making excuses about meeting. 637 00:22:35,088 --> 00:22:37,925 - Erika has been very patient, 638 00:22:37,991 --> 00:22:41,562 and at this point, I think if you don't meet up with her, 639 00:22:41,628 --> 00:22:45,299 she is going to have to... 640 00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:47,401 - Move on. - Move on. 641 00:22:47,467 --> 00:22:50,037 Is that fair? - Yeah. 642 00:22:50,103 --> 00:22:53,373 - "If I decided to meet up, how would it work?" 643 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,176 He says, "I'm in Texas. I live in Texas." 644 00:22:56,243 --> 00:22:58,445 - So he [bleep] lied about that. 645 00:22:58,512 --> 00:23:01,949 - We are happy to book you 646 00:23:02,015 --> 00:23:05,586 a flight to LA. 647 00:23:05,652 --> 00:23:08,488 - It's the games at this point that's getting on my nerve. 648 00:23:08,555 --> 00:23:09,990 [phone whooshes] - Oh. 649 00:23:10,057 --> 00:23:11,358 Whoa, whoa. "OK. 650 00:23:11,425 --> 00:23:13,460 I can get myself out there on my own tomorrow." 651 00:23:13,527 --> 00:23:17,331 - No, no. - "I'll text you when I land." 652 00:23:17,397 --> 00:23:19,399 - Why would he want to get himself out here? 653 00:23:19,466 --> 00:23:21,268 - Maybe his name is not Jermaine Johnson. 654 00:23:21,335 --> 00:23:22,569 - [gasps] 655 00:23:22,636 --> 00:23:23,770 He doesn't want us to book him a flight, 656 00:23:23,837 --> 00:23:25,739 'cause then we'll have all his info. 657 00:23:25,806 --> 00:23:28,242 - That boy [bleep] be lying about his name too. 658 00:23:28,308 --> 00:23:31,812 - That's-- - That works for us. 659 00:23:31,879 --> 00:23:33,480 We don't know what game he's playing, 660 00:23:33,547 --> 00:23:38,018 but maybe this is not Jermaine. 661 00:23:38,085 --> 00:23:39,620 - [sighs] 662 00:23:39,686 --> 00:23:41,121 - We won't know until, hopefully, 663 00:23:41,188 --> 00:23:42,890 we meet him tomorrow. 664 00:23:42,956 --> 00:23:44,458 - I'm willing to take a chance to see what happens. 665 00:23:44,525 --> 00:23:46,727 - All right, so look, let's just plan 666 00:23:46,793 --> 00:23:49,429 on meeting up in the morning and just take it 667 00:23:49,496 --> 00:23:53,200 one step at a time. - All right. 668 00:23:53,267 --> 00:23:55,435 Hasta mañana. 669 00:23:55,502 --> 00:23:57,938 - It's confusing, but we'll clear it up. 670 00:23:58,005 --> 00:24:01,375 ♪♪ ♪♪ 671 00:24:01,441 --> 00:24:02,943 He's clearly lying. 672 00:24:03,010 --> 00:24:05,946 And it's either the big lie, that he's been hiding his kids 673 00:24:06,013 --> 00:24:08,715 and potentially where he lives, or the huge lie, 674 00:24:08,782 --> 00:24:10,717 that he's been pretending to be someone else 675 00:24:10,784 --> 00:24:12,252 and has an entirely different life. 676 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:14,354 I mean, we might not know anything 677 00:24:14,421 --> 00:24:17,090 about who Erika is talking to. 678 00:24:17,157 --> 00:24:18,992 ♪♪ ♪♪ 679 00:24:22,396 --> 00:24:24,198 - I think it's finally stopped raining. 680 00:24:24,264 --> 00:24:27,000 It's a little hazy but beautiful. 681 00:24:27,067 --> 00:24:32,072 Let's check in and see if we got anything 682 00:24:32,139 --> 00:24:35,075 from our mystery man. Oh. 683 00:24:35,142 --> 00:24:36,577 He said, "Landed. 684 00:24:36,643 --> 00:24:39,112 This is where I will be." With an address. 685 00:24:39,179 --> 00:24:40,447 [line trilling] 686 00:24:42,115 --> 00:24:43,717 - The eagle has landed. 687 00:24:43,784 --> 00:24:44,918 And he sent me an address. 688 00:24:44,985 --> 00:24:46,687 He said he can meet at this address. 689 00:24:46,753 --> 00:24:50,157 Why don't we meet up over at Erika's house 690 00:24:50,224 --> 00:24:51,859 and see what happens? 691 00:24:56,029 --> 00:24:58,699 - There she is. 692 00:24:58,765 --> 00:25:00,601 - Hello. 693 00:25:00,667 --> 00:25:02,769 - You got your joggers on now. You're ready to-- 694 00:25:02,836 --> 00:25:05,372 - In case I got to run. [laughter] 695 00:25:05,439 --> 00:25:07,007 - Anyway, you can come sit up here. 696 00:25:07,074 --> 00:25:08,175 - OK. 697 00:25:08,242 --> 00:25:09,309 - And here's Kamie, yeah. 698 00:25:09,376 --> 00:25:10,410 - Hi. - I love this. 699 00:25:10,477 --> 00:25:11,612 - Hi. - Good to see you. 700 00:25:11,678 --> 00:25:13,080 - Hi. - All right. 701 00:25:13,146 --> 00:25:14,548 You ready? - I'm ready. 702 00:25:14,615 --> 00:25:17,084 - We got an address. Let's just go. 703 00:25:17,150 --> 00:25:19,219 - All right. 704 00:25:19,286 --> 00:25:20,687 - Whoo. You ready? 705 00:25:20,754 --> 00:25:22,489 - Yeah, ready. I'm nervous. 706 00:25:22,556 --> 00:25:25,058 But it's now or never. 707 00:25:25,125 --> 00:25:27,794 - 20 minutes. - Waited this long. 708 00:25:27,861 --> 00:25:30,430 I guess a few minutes won't hurt. 709 00:25:30,497 --> 00:25:32,533 I'm really hoping he's who he says he is. 710 00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:35,536 - Yeah. - It's just weird, all this. 711 00:25:38,005 --> 00:25:39,640 It don't make sense. 712 00:25:39,706 --> 00:25:43,977 [soft dramatic music] 713 00:25:44,044 --> 00:25:46,446 This feels like the longest car ride ever. 714 00:25:46,513 --> 00:25:49,416 - Here's the street. 715 00:25:49,483 --> 00:25:53,353 ♪♪ ♪♪ 716 00:25:53,420 --> 00:25:55,622 1740. There it is. 717 00:25:55,689 --> 00:26:00,194 All right. Pulling in. 718 00:26:00,260 --> 00:26:03,664 Shall we? - It's time. 719 00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:05,732 - Let's see what we got going on here. 720 00:26:08,168 --> 00:26:10,037 You guys hang here. 721 00:26:10,103 --> 00:26:12,139 Let me just scope it out. 722 00:26:12,206 --> 00:26:15,609 - It's a little creepy. - Whose house is this? 723 00:26:15,676 --> 00:26:17,010 - I don't know. 724 00:26:17,077 --> 00:26:20,047 I've never seen no videos with nothing 725 00:26:20,113 --> 00:26:22,749 like this, anything. - Are the lights on? 726 00:26:22,816 --> 00:26:24,251 - I can't really see. 727 00:26:24,318 --> 00:26:26,820 [knocks] 728 00:26:26,887 --> 00:26:29,857 - Of course, every blind is closed. 729 00:26:29,923 --> 00:26:31,024 [sighs] 730 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,628 [door clicks] - Hello. 731 00:26:34,695 --> 00:26:36,463 - Hey. - Ooh. 732 00:26:36,530 --> 00:26:37,831 Who is that? 733 00:26:43,237 --> 00:26:45,873 [knocks] [door clicks] 734 00:26:45,939 --> 00:26:47,107 - Ooh. - Hello? 735 00:26:47,174 --> 00:26:49,076 - Who is that? - Hey. 736 00:26:49,142 --> 00:26:50,344 - I can't see. - What's up? 737 00:26:50,410 --> 00:26:52,145 - How you doing? Nice to meet you, man. 738 00:26:52,212 --> 00:26:54,715 - Good to meet you, too, man. 739 00:26:54,781 --> 00:26:56,550 Jermaine? - Yeah. 740 00:26:56,617 --> 00:26:58,886 - That's him. - Well, come on out. 741 00:26:58,952 --> 00:27:00,454 - [laughs] 742 00:27:00,521 --> 00:27:02,990 - We're all not really sure what to expect, but-- 743 00:27:03,056 --> 00:27:05,359 - Hi. - Hey. 744 00:27:05,425 --> 00:27:06,727 - How you doing, Erika? - Hey. 745 00:27:06,793 --> 00:27:07,895 - Here he is. 746 00:27:07,961 --> 00:27:10,163 [laughter] 747 00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:11,465 - There you go. 748 00:27:11,532 --> 00:27:12,666 - It's nice to see you in person. 749 00:27:12,733 --> 00:27:15,202 - Nice to see you too. You look good. 750 00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:16,503 - I'm Kamie. - Jermaine. 751 00:27:16,570 --> 00:27:19,840 - Nice to meet you. Wow. OK. 752 00:27:19,907 --> 00:27:21,241 - So what the hell is going on? 753 00:27:21,308 --> 00:27:23,443 Because you said you lived in Texas yesterday, 754 00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:25,812 but you've told Erika you live here. 755 00:27:25,879 --> 00:27:27,581 - I own a house in Lubbock, Texas, you know. 756 00:27:27,648 --> 00:27:29,149 - OK. - So that's my hub. 757 00:27:29,216 --> 00:27:30,450 That's where I go. 758 00:27:30,517 --> 00:27:33,053 And LA is basically where I come to work in. 759 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:37,090 - Fine, so if it's been you talking to her the whole time-- 760 00:27:37,157 --> 00:27:40,594 which it has, right? - Yeah, of course. 761 00:27:40,661 --> 00:27:44,364 - Why haven't you been down to try to meet up or FaceTime? 762 00:27:44,431 --> 00:27:45,666 - You've been in New Orleans twice. 763 00:27:45,732 --> 00:27:47,000 She's been here. 764 00:27:47,067 --> 00:27:49,069 - Well, I didn't do the FaceTime, because-- 765 00:27:49,136 --> 00:27:50,470 I don't know. 766 00:27:50,537 --> 00:27:52,239 It's like I don't feel like we needed that. 767 00:27:52,306 --> 00:27:55,108 We connected on levels far beyond that. 768 00:27:55,175 --> 00:27:56,743 You know what I mean? 769 00:27:56,810 --> 00:27:59,246 And the reason why I haven't met you, 770 00:27:59,313 --> 00:28:02,449 Erika, is basically because in my line of work, 771 00:28:02,516 --> 00:28:03,817 I have to travel a lot. 772 00:28:03,884 --> 00:28:07,254 I do a lot of set design also. - Yeah. 773 00:28:07,321 --> 00:28:08,555 But you came to New Orleans twice, 774 00:28:08,622 --> 00:28:10,157 and you could have made time. 775 00:28:10,224 --> 00:28:11,859 - When I came to New Orleans, I was actually with family. 776 00:28:11,925 --> 00:28:13,527 - Family, huh? - Yeah. 777 00:28:13,594 --> 00:28:15,028 I accidentally slipped up. 778 00:28:15,095 --> 00:28:17,731 I wasn't--I didn't want you to know I was out there, 779 00:28:17,798 --> 00:28:20,033 because I knew you'd be upset because we've been trying 780 00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:22,069 to meet each other for the longest. 781 00:28:22,135 --> 00:28:24,171 So I felt bad that I didn't-- 782 00:28:24,238 --> 00:28:25,539 - But if you're trying to date me, 783 00:28:25,606 --> 00:28:27,307 then you should want me to meet your family. 784 00:28:27,374 --> 00:28:32,946 - Yeah, but it's complicated because I just-- 785 00:28:33,013 --> 00:28:34,448 - You just what? 786 00:28:34,515 --> 00:28:36,984 - It's-- - You have kids? 787 00:28:37,050 --> 00:28:38,151 - Kids? 788 00:28:38,218 --> 00:28:39,119 I don't have-- I don't have kids. 789 00:28:39,186 --> 00:28:40,387 - Girlfriend? Married? 790 00:28:40,454 --> 00:28:42,856 - No, I'm not married. - Hmm. 791 00:28:42,923 --> 00:28:44,391 - Why do you feel like I got kids or I'm married? 792 00:28:44,458 --> 00:28:46,093 - We talked to your friend. 793 00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:47,761 He goes by "P-nut." - Danal? 794 00:28:47,828 --> 00:28:50,030 - Danal. - Yeah, that's my best friend. 795 00:28:50,097 --> 00:28:52,466 - He didn't want to, like, answer any questions about you, 796 00:28:52,533 --> 00:28:54,034 but he said something-- at the end of our conversation, 797 00:28:54,101 --> 00:28:55,502 he was like... 798 00:28:55,569 --> 00:28:57,404 - If you have questions for him, ask him, but he's-- 799 00:28:57,471 --> 00:29:00,040 he's got problems... - With his kids and his... 800 00:29:00,107 --> 00:29:01,575 - With the kids at the mom's house. 801 00:29:01,642 --> 00:29:02,709 - Oh, OK, OK. See, I was in a-- 802 00:29:02,776 --> 00:29:04,044 I was in a relationship, 803 00:29:04,111 --> 00:29:06,813 and the woman that I was with, she had children. 804 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,749 - How long were you in that relationship? 805 00:29:08,815 --> 00:29:10,751 - I was in that relationship like three years-- 806 00:29:10,817 --> 00:29:12,186 three, four years. 807 00:29:12,252 --> 00:29:14,521 The relationship was-- you know, it was rocky, man. 808 00:29:14,588 --> 00:29:17,090 - So when did you end your previous relationship? 809 00:29:17,157 --> 00:29:19,927 - That's probably, like, a little bit over a year ago. 810 00:29:19,993 --> 00:29:21,528 - So for like the first two years that you were talking 811 00:29:21,595 --> 00:29:23,130 to Erika, you were very much... 812 00:29:23,197 --> 00:29:24,298 - So you were still in a relationship. 813 00:29:24,364 --> 00:29:26,533 - Still in that. 814 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,101 - There ain't no-- - Yeah, yeah. 815 00:29:28,168 --> 00:29:29,670 - Yeah. - Yeah. 816 00:29:29,736 --> 00:29:31,638 During the time we were talking about meeting each other 817 00:29:31,705 --> 00:29:33,941 and doing all these things, I was still 818 00:29:34,007 --> 00:29:35,909 kind of in that relationship. 819 00:29:35,976 --> 00:29:37,778 I was trying to get out of that relationship, 820 00:29:37,845 --> 00:29:39,246 you know what I mean? 821 00:29:39,313 --> 00:29:40,447 - Did you tell Erika about that? 822 00:29:40,514 --> 00:29:41,782 Did you--did you guys ever talk about-- 823 00:29:41,849 --> 00:29:42,950 - No. 824 00:29:43,016 --> 00:29:44,618 - I never-- I never told her that. 825 00:29:44,685 --> 00:29:47,721 I didn't want to bring my drama into your life 826 00:29:47,788 --> 00:29:49,857 while you were going through what you were going through, 827 00:29:49,923 --> 00:29:51,925 you know what I mean? 828 00:29:51,992 --> 00:29:53,627 - I understand all that. 829 00:29:53,694 --> 00:29:56,096 But, you know, from her point of view, 830 00:29:56,163 --> 00:29:58,732 I feel like that feels a little deceptive, like-- 831 00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:01,668 - I mean, deception, deceiving, lies-- 832 00:30:01,735 --> 00:30:04,471 you would have to say-- I haven't said any-- 833 00:30:04,538 --> 00:30:07,107 I didn't tell her that, "Hey, I don't have a-- 834 00:30:07,174 --> 00:30:08,575 I'm not in a relationship." 835 00:30:08,642 --> 00:30:09,643 - I asked you was you in a relationship. 836 00:30:09,710 --> 00:30:11,078 You said no. 837 00:30:11,144 --> 00:30:13,480 - I just didn't feel like it was necessary at the time 838 00:30:13,547 --> 00:30:16,683 to express all of these-- 839 00:30:16,750 --> 00:30:19,186 all of my woes upon her while she was-- 840 00:30:19,253 --> 00:30:20,888 she was going through health issues 841 00:30:20,954 --> 00:30:23,657 and family emergencies and things of that nature. 842 00:30:23,724 --> 00:30:25,158 And I just didn't want to pour that on her, 843 00:30:25,225 --> 00:30:27,261 you know what I mean? 844 00:30:27,327 --> 00:30:30,264 - So, look, while you've been honest about most 845 00:30:30,330 --> 00:30:32,499 of the major details of your life, 846 00:30:32,566 --> 00:30:36,370 there have been some elements of your story 847 00:30:36,436 --> 00:30:38,872 that you've told Erika that were a little bent. 848 00:30:38,939 --> 00:30:40,908 You were still in a relationship when you met 849 00:30:40,974 --> 00:30:42,276 but don't have kids. 850 00:30:42,342 --> 00:30:45,412 - Well--I--I do-- I have a son. 851 00:30:45,479 --> 00:30:46,847 - A son? - Wait. 852 00:30:46,914 --> 00:30:48,282 - Yeah, I have a-- yeah, I have a son. 853 00:30:48,348 --> 00:30:49,283 - What? - What? 854 00:30:49,349 --> 00:30:50,517 - The [bleep]? 855 00:30:50,584 --> 00:30:52,186 We just asked you did you have a child. 856 00:30:52,252 --> 00:30:53,153 - No, you asked me if I had kids. 857 00:30:53,220 --> 00:30:55,055 - Well-- - [bleep] bro. 858 00:30:55,122 --> 00:30:56,790 It's the same thing. - No, it's not-- 859 00:30:56,857 --> 00:30:59,393 it's not the same. Kids is more than one. 860 00:30:59,459 --> 00:31:01,728 And--and look-- - Do you have a singular child? 861 00:31:01,795 --> 00:31:02,963 - Well, you guys were referring to-- 862 00:31:03,030 --> 00:31:04,364 - Jermaine. 863 00:31:04,431 --> 00:31:05,732 - You guys were referring to the group of a kids. 864 00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:07,067 - We were referring to your ex's kids. 865 00:31:07,134 --> 00:31:08,235 - And I'm like, "No, those are not my kids." 866 00:31:08,302 --> 00:31:09,570 - But you do have a kid. - I have a kid. 867 00:31:09,636 --> 00:31:11,371 Yeah, of my own, who is about to turn 17... 868 00:31:11,438 --> 00:31:12,239 - Wow. - From a previous relationship. 869 00:31:12,306 --> 00:31:13,540 - Wow, OK. 870 00:31:13,607 --> 00:31:15,108 - So you don't think that's something... 871 00:31:15,175 --> 00:31:16,577 - Yeah, back when I was young-- - You should have told me? 872 00:31:16,643 --> 00:31:17,978 - Huh? 873 00:31:18,045 --> 00:31:19,213 - You don't that's something you should have told me? 874 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:20,614 - You never asked me. You never-- 875 00:31:20,681 --> 00:31:22,082 - I asked you, did you have a child, yes, I have. 876 00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:23,717 - You never straight up asked me if I have a--when? 877 00:31:23,784 --> 00:31:25,352 - I've asked you multiple times if you have a child. 878 00:31:25,419 --> 00:31:26,820 - Or did she say "do you have kids?" 879 00:31:26,887 --> 00:31:28,222 - "Do you have kids?" - And you said no. 880 00:31:28,288 --> 00:31:29,957 - Wow. - [laughs] 881 00:31:30,023 --> 00:31:31,491 So we'd better play that game. 882 00:31:31,558 --> 00:31:32,593 - You don't have to tell everybody 883 00:31:32,659 --> 00:31:34,494 your business right off break. 884 00:31:34,561 --> 00:31:37,264 But, like, after three years and somebody's asking you, 885 00:31:37,331 --> 00:31:38,732 do you have kids, withholding information 886 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:40,400 is still lying. - Yeah. 887 00:31:40,467 --> 00:31:42,169 I'm--I--I get that. 888 00:31:42,236 --> 00:31:44,238 But to be honest, I got too far down 889 00:31:44,304 --> 00:31:45,572 the rabbit hole, though. 890 00:31:45,639 --> 00:31:46,640 Like, when we first started talking, 891 00:31:46,707 --> 00:31:48,041 it was more, like, flirtatious. 892 00:31:48,108 --> 00:31:49,943 And then as it got deeper, I was like, "Oh, man, 893 00:31:50,010 --> 00:31:51,545 do I let her know these things that..." 894 00:31:51,612 --> 00:31:52,913 - Yeah. - "She does not know?" 895 00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:54,581 - Yes. 896 00:31:54,648 --> 00:31:57,217 - Or do I wait until I know that she is someone 897 00:31:57,284 --> 00:31:59,086 that I could be with, you know? 898 00:31:59,152 --> 00:32:00,954 Sure, it's living in fear. 899 00:32:01,021 --> 00:32:03,090 But coming from a background with relationships 900 00:32:03,156 --> 00:32:05,959 where, you know, crazy women, 901 00:32:06,026 --> 00:32:07,461 quote unquote, like-- 902 00:32:07,528 --> 00:32:09,096 - But you could have told me and gave me 903 00:32:09,162 --> 00:32:11,398 the opportunity to decide what I wanted to do or not. 904 00:32:11,465 --> 00:32:13,033 - And let me give you a tip on women. 905 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:16,136 Women become crazy when information is withheld 906 00:32:16,203 --> 00:32:18,172 from us and we're lied to. 907 00:32:18,238 --> 00:32:20,574 So, usually, if you give us the truth up front, 908 00:32:20,641 --> 00:32:22,843 we get a little less crazy. 909 00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:24,611 - You're right. 910 00:32:24,678 --> 00:32:26,980 I mean, I guess my excuse of me 911 00:32:27,047 --> 00:32:29,683 not thinking it was serious at first 912 00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:32,152 and leading into something more serious doesn't matter, 913 00:32:32,219 --> 00:32:33,453 I guess, to you guys, right? 914 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,655 Yeah. I get that, but-- 915 00:32:34,721 --> 00:32:36,323 - So have you ever been married? 916 00:32:36,390 --> 00:32:37,925 Because I've asked you that multiple times, just like-- 917 00:32:37,991 --> 00:32:39,459 - I said no. I've never been married, no. 918 00:32:39,526 --> 00:32:41,061 - And while you've been talking to Erika, 919 00:32:41,128 --> 00:32:43,230 have you been talking to anyone else seriously 920 00:32:43,297 --> 00:32:44,932 for the past three years? - No. 921 00:32:44,998 --> 00:32:46,400 I don't play those games. 922 00:32:46,466 --> 00:32:47,634 - But you say you don't play those games 923 00:32:47,701 --> 00:32:49,369 like talking to other women. 924 00:32:49,436 --> 00:32:51,805 Like, you were kind of talking to Erika while you were in a-- 925 00:32:51,872 --> 00:32:53,207 - I mean, but come on. Come on. 926 00:32:53,273 --> 00:32:54,474 Come on, Nev. 927 00:32:54,541 --> 00:32:56,844 That's not exactly the same thing. 928 00:32:56,910 --> 00:32:58,412 I mean, I'm-- 929 00:32:58,478 --> 00:33:00,614 I'm guilty of hiding the fact 930 00:33:00,681 --> 00:33:03,350 that I was interested in another woman 931 00:33:03,417 --> 00:33:05,285 while exiting with another woman. 932 00:33:05,352 --> 00:33:06,620 - All right. So hold up. 933 00:33:06,687 --> 00:33:09,389 So let's just get to-- to the present, OK? 934 00:33:09,456 --> 00:33:11,258 You're here. 935 00:33:11,325 --> 00:33:12,693 So the question now is 936 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:14,595 what are your feelings for Erika? 937 00:33:14,661 --> 00:33:16,663 - I mean, one thing that I wanted to tell you, 938 00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:19,333 Erika, is that over the span that we've 939 00:33:19,399 --> 00:33:23,203 been talking to each other, I've grown to like you a lot. 940 00:33:23,270 --> 00:33:25,005 And I want a-- 941 00:33:25,072 --> 00:33:28,108 a chance or a shot with you. You know what I mean? 942 00:33:28,175 --> 00:33:30,310 I want to be able to see how that looks like, you know? 943 00:33:30,377 --> 00:33:34,448 You know how we talk, you know? It's--we have a connection. 944 00:33:34,515 --> 00:33:36,583 And you don't-- - We do, but you lied. 945 00:33:36,650 --> 00:33:40,020 That's big. That's not something small. 946 00:33:41,855 --> 00:33:43,524 - OK. So why don't we do this? 947 00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:47,427 Let us just sort of huddle with Erika 948 00:33:47,494 --> 00:33:49,296 and just sort of check in with her. 949 00:33:49,363 --> 00:33:50,597 - Mm-hmm. 950 00:33:50,664 --> 00:33:52,065 - You can go inside for a minute. 951 00:33:52,132 --> 00:33:54,735 And then we'll come in, and we can sit down and have 952 00:33:54,801 --> 00:33:57,037 a bit more of, like, a casual conversation. 953 00:33:57,104 --> 00:33:58,438 - OK. All right. 954 00:33:58,505 --> 00:34:00,407 Can I-- can I get a hug or something? 955 00:34:00,474 --> 00:34:02,109 I'm sorry. 956 00:34:06,547 --> 00:34:10,517 - Erika, honey. - But I mean, it is him. 957 00:34:10,584 --> 00:34:13,287 - But as a woman who wants to have children, 958 00:34:13,353 --> 00:34:16,890 the idea that you could be with a man who is not 959 00:34:16,957 --> 00:34:19,826 so excited to say that he's a dad 960 00:34:19,893 --> 00:34:22,596 and that he has a kid, kids plural, whatever. 961 00:34:22,663 --> 00:34:24,131 - And I don't wanna deal with baby mama drama. 962 00:34:24,198 --> 00:34:25,299 Because what if I have a child with you? 963 00:34:25,365 --> 00:34:27,334 You gonna hide it? - Yeah. 964 00:34:27,401 --> 00:34:28,969 - That just changed the whole dynamic of things. 965 00:34:29,036 --> 00:34:31,905 - The question is, even if he is ready, 966 00:34:31,972 --> 00:34:34,074 do you want to be with someone like that? 967 00:34:34,141 --> 00:34:36,043 - I don't know. 968 00:34:42,983 --> 00:34:44,484 - The idea that you could be with a man 969 00:34:44,551 --> 00:34:47,688 who is not so excited to say that he's a dad. 970 00:34:47,754 --> 00:34:50,123 Do you want to be with someone like that? 971 00:34:50,190 --> 00:34:53,360 - I don't know. - All right. 972 00:34:53,427 --> 00:34:55,128 Well, should we go in there and see if there's 973 00:34:55,195 --> 00:34:56,330 anything else he wants to tell us? 974 00:34:56,396 --> 00:34:59,066 - Yeah. 975 00:34:59,132 --> 00:35:00,801 - Hello. - How you doing? 976 00:35:00,868 --> 00:35:01,768 - Hey. All right. 977 00:35:01,835 --> 00:35:03,036 - You don't even knock? 978 00:35:03,103 --> 00:35:04,071 You just coming over to this man's house? 979 00:35:04,137 --> 00:35:06,707 - Welcome, welcome. - [sighs] 980 00:35:06,773 --> 00:35:09,309 I got to ask a question though. - OK. 981 00:35:09,376 --> 00:35:11,612 - Serious question. - OK. 982 00:35:11,678 --> 00:35:14,748 - Is the problem that I have a kid, 983 00:35:14,815 --> 00:35:18,685 or is the problem that I haven't told you about my son? 984 00:35:18,752 --> 00:35:20,387 - It's mostly you didn't tell me. 985 00:35:20,454 --> 00:35:21,755 And it's like I should feel like I should've had 986 00:35:21,822 --> 00:35:23,257 the opportunity to know that. - OK. 987 00:35:23,323 --> 00:35:24,725 So you don't not like-- 988 00:35:24,791 --> 00:35:26,426 - I don't dislike kids. I like kids. 989 00:35:26,493 --> 00:35:28,662 I want kids. - But you don't want to-- 990 00:35:28,729 --> 00:35:32,132 like, you don't want to date a man who has a kid. 991 00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:34,568 - Erika likes kids. 992 00:35:34,635 --> 00:35:37,437 I don't even think you having a son 993 00:35:37,504 --> 00:35:39,806 would have prevented her from pursuing 994 00:35:39,873 --> 00:35:42,276 the relationship with you, if she had known about him... 995 00:35:42,342 --> 00:35:44,378 - Right. - Sooner. 996 00:35:44,444 --> 00:35:46,914 So what's hard for her now is that it's like, well, 997 00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:48,916 if he didn't tell me about that, 998 00:35:48,982 --> 00:35:50,184 how do I know I could trust that 999 00:35:50,250 --> 00:35:52,052 he'll tell me about things in the future? 1000 00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:53,820 - I understand that. 1001 00:35:53,887 --> 00:35:55,956 - The point is that he's been there from the beginning. 1002 00:35:56,023 --> 00:35:59,259 And personally, my boyfriend, on our first date, 1003 00:35:59,326 --> 00:36:01,528 he let me know that he has a teenager. 1004 00:36:01,595 --> 00:36:04,498 And it meant a lot to me, one, that he shared it 1005 00:36:04,565 --> 00:36:07,234 because for me, as a woman who wants kids, 1006 00:36:07,301 --> 00:36:08,569 I want to be with somebody who's proud 1007 00:36:08,635 --> 00:36:10,504 of the fact that they have kids 1008 00:36:10,571 --> 00:36:13,240 and willing to share that with other people. 1009 00:36:13,307 --> 00:36:15,976 So I think if you had told Erika that 1010 00:36:16,043 --> 00:36:17,444 when you first started talking, 1011 00:36:17,511 --> 00:36:19,246 it would have meant a lot to her. 1012 00:36:19,313 --> 00:36:22,382 And not sharing it feels like, OK, 1013 00:36:22,449 --> 00:36:25,853 well, what if you guys were to move on and have kids? 1014 00:36:25,919 --> 00:36:29,423 Would you then not tell people that you have kids? 1015 00:36:29,489 --> 00:36:32,459 - I mean, this-- I understand that. 1016 00:36:32,526 --> 00:36:34,194 - So you're active in your child's life? 1017 00:36:34,261 --> 00:36:36,396 - Yeah, of course. Yeah. 1018 00:36:36,463 --> 00:36:37,965 - But you see how you doing this runaround 1019 00:36:38,031 --> 00:36:39,366 makes it sound like you're not. 1020 00:36:39,433 --> 00:36:41,635 So why-- why even do that to yourself? 1021 00:36:41,702 --> 00:36:44,705 - I'm--I apologize that I didn't say it sooner, 1022 00:36:44,771 --> 00:36:47,808 but the seriousness of the relationship to me 1023 00:36:47,875 --> 00:36:50,344 wasn't there, you know what I mean? 1024 00:36:50,410 --> 00:36:53,614 - All right, look. Your timing is your timing. 1025 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,817 Point is, now Erika knows about your son, 1026 00:36:56,884 --> 00:36:59,386 and she's not running for the hills. 1027 00:36:59,453 --> 00:37:02,089 And I think you have a very small window, 1028 00:37:02,155 --> 00:37:05,926 an opportunity right now, to woo her and convince her 1029 00:37:05,993 --> 00:37:08,795 that she should want to keep talking to you. 1030 00:37:08,862 --> 00:37:10,197 - All right. 1031 00:37:10,264 --> 00:37:11,798 - You've got to try to make this like a fresh start. 1032 00:37:11,865 --> 00:37:12,900 - Yeah. - OK. 1033 00:37:12,966 --> 00:37:14,434 I mean-- - Right. 1034 00:37:14,501 --> 00:37:17,237 - I feel like I care about you. 1035 00:37:17,304 --> 00:37:19,640 You're somebody who's very important to me. 1036 00:37:19,706 --> 00:37:22,743 Your words and talking to you on the phone for hours 1037 00:37:22,809 --> 00:37:25,512 helped motivate me to be the person I am, you know? 1038 00:37:25,579 --> 00:37:26,713 - Right. 1039 00:37:26,780 --> 00:37:28,515 - I feel like when you get to know me, 1040 00:37:28,582 --> 00:37:30,751 I feel like you will understand and realize 1041 00:37:30,817 --> 00:37:33,820 that I am a good dude. - I don't doubt that. 1042 00:37:33,887 --> 00:37:37,257 - And I value you as a person. I value you as a woman. 1043 00:37:37,324 --> 00:37:38,926 You're beautiful, you're smart. 1044 00:37:38,992 --> 00:37:41,061 I feel like, moving forward, like, I want to work it out, 1045 00:37:41,128 --> 00:37:42,629 you know. 1046 00:37:42,696 --> 00:37:44,331 I would love to, like, have a chat with you, 1047 00:37:44,398 --> 00:37:47,901 a chance with you, even though, you know, I lied about my son. 1048 00:37:47,968 --> 00:37:51,805 But I mean, in experience we gain knowledge, right? 1049 00:37:51,872 --> 00:37:54,174 So I can promise you here and now 1050 00:37:54,241 --> 00:37:56,710 that if you were to give me a shot 1051 00:37:56,777 --> 00:37:58,779 and give me, like, an honest chance, 1052 00:37:58,846 --> 00:38:01,748 I feel like that we could be a perfect match, you know? 1053 00:38:01,815 --> 00:38:03,784 - I'm with that. - Like--you know? 1054 00:38:03,851 --> 00:38:05,719 That's what I feel. - I hear you talking. 1055 00:38:05,786 --> 00:38:07,487 Put in the time, and we'll see. 1056 00:38:07,554 --> 00:38:09,089 - Even if I've got to drive, 1057 00:38:09,156 --> 00:38:10,724 I'll drive to you on the weekend, 1058 00:38:10,791 --> 00:38:13,560 and we can hang out, and we can have a good time. 1059 00:38:13,627 --> 00:38:14,795 We can do whatever you want to do. 1060 00:38:14,862 --> 00:38:15,929 - Are you sure? - Everything on me. 1061 00:38:15,996 --> 00:38:18,432 Yeah, like, anything you want to do, 1062 00:38:18,498 --> 00:38:21,401 we're gonna do it. - Mm. We'll see. 1063 00:38:21,468 --> 00:38:23,036 - All right, well, look, why don't we 1064 00:38:23,103 --> 00:38:25,639 just leave it at that for now? Everything's in the open now. 1065 00:38:25,706 --> 00:38:28,075 So just work on planning to meet up again 1066 00:38:28,141 --> 00:38:30,577 and take it from there. 1067 00:38:30,644 --> 00:38:32,379 - This is the beginning of something new. 1068 00:38:32,446 --> 00:38:34,248 We need to do this the right way this time. 1069 00:38:34,314 --> 00:38:36,383 I promise. 1070 00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:39,253 - [screams] - Hey. 1071 00:38:39,319 --> 00:38:41,522 - See, there's a chance. - Whoo! 1072 00:38:41,588 --> 00:38:43,590 - Love prevails. - There's a chance. 1073 00:38:43,657 --> 00:38:45,158 - Just keep your mouth shut and you'll be fine. 1074 00:38:45,225 --> 00:38:47,895 - Yeah, keep it shut. - Bye. 1075 00:38:47,961 --> 00:38:49,663 - All right, later. 1076 00:38:49,730 --> 00:38:52,065 I'll talk to you later. - All right. 1077 00:38:52,132 --> 00:38:53,901 - ♪♪ They can't do it like me, me, me, me, me ♪♪ 1078 00:38:53,967 --> 00:38:55,169 - Ooh! 1079 00:38:55,235 --> 00:38:58,605 - Erika got a kiss. Erika and Jermaine... 1080 00:38:58,672 --> 00:39:00,474 [together] Sitting in a tree. 1081 00:39:00,541 --> 00:39:04,945 K-I-S-S-I-N-G. 1082 00:39:05,012 --> 00:39:07,915 - Bye. 1083 00:39:07,981 --> 00:39:09,216 Lord have mercy. 1084 00:39:09,283 --> 00:39:12,152 I didn't think we were ever gonna get here. 1085 00:39:12,219 --> 00:39:14,788 - So you got a little kiss. 1086 00:39:14,855 --> 00:39:16,123 It's been a long time. - Finally. 1087 00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:17,291 - Yeah. 1088 00:39:17,357 --> 00:39:19,059 Well, we are very happy that you guys 1089 00:39:19,126 --> 00:39:21,728 can work through this, and if he can prove 1090 00:39:21,795 --> 00:39:23,797 that he's serious and ready to be real with you, 1091 00:39:23,864 --> 00:39:27,067 like, I think you guys could really have something here. 1092 00:39:27,134 --> 00:39:29,336 - I can't wait to see what happens next. 1093 00:39:29,403 --> 00:39:31,238 - I know. 1094 00:39:31,305 --> 00:39:33,407 - ♪♪ But she can't do like me ♪♪ 1095 00:39:33,473 --> 00:39:35,209 ♪♪ They ain't do it like me ♪♪ 1096 00:39:35,275 --> 00:39:36,510 [computer chimes] 1097 00:39:36,577 --> 00:39:38,178 - Hi. - Hey. 1098 00:39:38,245 --> 00:39:39,746 - Hey, Erika. - Hey. 1099 00:39:39,813 --> 00:39:42,583 Wow. - Looking fabulous as usual. 1100 00:39:42,649 --> 00:39:45,385 - So the world is dying to know. 1101 00:39:45,452 --> 00:39:47,855 What happened after we finished filming? 1102 00:39:47,921 --> 00:39:50,023 - We talked a little bit, but pretty much 1103 00:39:50,090 --> 00:39:52,593 the same thing, kind of. - What do you mean? Like-- 1104 00:39:52,659 --> 00:39:55,495 - Same old games. I don't really have time. 1105 00:39:55,562 --> 00:39:58,098 - So have you moved on, I imagine? 1106 00:39:58,165 --> 00:39:59,299 - Definitely. 1107 00:39:59,366 --> 00:40:00,901 - I mean, this guy is-- - I know. 1108 00:40:00,968 --> 00:40:02,503 - Well, I'm glad we actually got a chance to meet. 1109 00:40:02,569 --> 00:40:04,404 Like, I would never cut him all the way out. 1110 00:40:04,471 --> 00:40:06,874 - So just gonna stay friends. - Yeah. 1111 00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:08,509 I think we're better off friends. 1112 00:40:08,575 --> 00:40:09,843 If it's meant for us to be together, 1113 00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:11,612 we'll be together. But right now, no. 1114 00:40:11,678 --> 00:40:13,413 I feel like people make time for who they want. 1115 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,316 So I ain't accepting it. - You shouldn't. 1116 00:40:16,383 --> 00:40:18,919 - Well, we're happy that you are doing well. 1117 00:40:18,986 --> 00:40:20,420 - Keep shining, sis. 1118 00:40:20,487 --> 00:40:22,122 - Thank you. - All right. 1119 00:40:22,189 --> 00:40:23,457 - Bye. - Bye. 1120 00:40:23,524 --> 00:40:24,725 - Bye. 1121 00:40:24,791 --> 00:40:26,360 [computer chime] - Well, hey guys. 1122 00:40:26,426 --> 00:40:28,161 How are you doing? - Boo. 1123 00:40:28,228 --> 00:40:30,964 Boo. Tomato, tomato, tomato. 1124 00:40:31,031 --> 00:40:33,567 - We heard you blew it, man. What happened? 1125 00:40:33,634 --> 00:40:35,402 - I feel that we're more of, like, 1126 00:40:35,469 --> 00:40:37,871 you know, we're on the path of, you know, being friends 1127 00:40:37,938 --> 00:40:40,574 than we are, like, lovers or in a relationship 1128 00:40:40,641 --> 00:40:42,042 type of situation. 1129 00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:44,077 - Are you in a relationship with anyone else? 1130 00:40:44,144 --> 00:40:46,880 - No, I don't-- there's no one else, man. 1131 00:40:46,947 --> 00:40:49,850 It's just--I mean, it's me and working hard, you know? 1132 00:40:49,917 --> 00:40:51,285 - He works. 1133 00:40:51,351 --> 00:40:52,686 - It's what--that's what I'm dating right now. 1134 00:40:52,753 --> 00:40:54,254 - Yeah, I know, but that's-- come on. 1135 00:40:54,321 --> 00:40:55,856 - People make time for what they want to make time for. 1136 00:40:55,923 --> 00:40:57,925 - Well, we're happy... - Yeah. 1137 00:40:57,991 --> 00:40:59,193 - That you and Erika have 1138 00:40:59,259 --> 00:41:00,661 a good foundation of friendship. 1139 00:41:00,727 --> 00:41:02,596 - You know, it's a shame because I really thought 1140 00:41:02,663 --> 00:41:04,131 that we could build and be, 1141 00:41:04,198 --> 00:41:05,699 you know, stronger than we are. 1142 00:41:05,766 --> 00:41:08,268 But who knows? Anything can happen, you know? 1143 00:41:08,335 --> 00:41:09,636 - Well, we wish you the best of luck. 1144 00:41:09,703 --> 00:41:11,038 - I appreciate you guys. - Bye, Jermaine. 1145 00:41:11,104 --> 00:41:12,105 - All right. Later. 1146 00:41:50,143 --> 00:41:51,211 - Jacob meets Stephanie via TikTok. 1147 00:41:51,278 --> 00:41:52,513 - She's just really cute, caring, 1148 00:41:52,579 --> 00:41:54,982 supportive, said "I love you." - Wow. 1149 00:41:55,048 --> 00:41:56,717 - Talk about marriage. - Really? 1150 00:41:56,783 --> 00:41:58,452 - Oh, my [bleep] God. 1151 00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:00,120 I shared so many [bleep] about me! 1152 00:42:00,187 --> 00:42:02,322 Like, I opened up. Like, what the [bleep]? 1153 00:42:02,389 --> 00:42:03,624 Oh, my God! 1154 00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:05,058 - [gasps] - Oh, oh. 1155 00:42:05,125 --> 00:42:06,860 Someone's coming. Someone's coming.