- ♪ MTV ♪
- Ceejay and I decided to have a kid.
I had to screen the guys.
She knew when I ovulated.
She would be like, "You need to meet up with him."
And I would be like, "I don't want to meet up with him."
- Honestly, this sounds like a horror movie.
- Oh. - Holy [bleep].
- That's her. - Oh, my God.
This is so creepy.
- Who knows what we're getting ourselves into.
- It's all or nothing.
[dramatic music]
- Ceejay?
[dramatic musical sting]
- All right, welcome back.
We have another special guest cohost,
except this one you probably remember.
In fact, this will be her fifth episode hosting show with me,
and I'm so thrilled she's back.
Tallulah Willis, everyone.
- Hi! - Hey!
- New hair.
- Dude, new hair. - New vibe.
- New vibe, I know. I grew up a little bit.
I was like a little baby. Now I'm a woman.
- We were just reminiscing.
You were definitely in some interesting episodes.
- This is him.
I had no idea how to navigate those.
Obviously, he's into you, but that's not enough.
He needs to be wowing you. - Yeah.
- You did great.
- I was pretty impressed, actually.
- You ready to do it again?
- Super excited. - Let's get to work.
All right.
We got something in the old inbox.
"Hey, Nev and Tallulah.
"My name is Shay.
"I'm 25 years old, and I'm from Pompano Beach, Florida.
Eight years ago, I met a girl on Facebook named Ceejay."
- ♪ Do you remember when we used to have it all? ♪
♪ I could not love you more, it was not long ago ♪
- "This was a whirlwind teenage romance
"that had more ups and downs than a roller coaster.
"I know you help people who are in love.
Well, we were in love."
- ♪ We came to a crossing road ♪
♪ And I gave up your hand ♪
- "So in love that we decided to have a baby together."
So wait a second. - Are they--I'm unclear.
Have they met? - I don't know.
Hold on.
"But it all went downhill from there.
So much bad stuff happened, I had to end it."
- ♪ I had to leave, I had to go ♪
♪ Before we both lose all control, oh ♪
- "But now things have gotten crazier,
"and I owe it to myself to know what happened here.
"There's so much to tell you, but if I wrote it all out,
"it would be a 15-page letter.
"Long story short, she never truly goes away,
"and I'm always looking over my shoulder.
"I need to move on and feel safe.
Please, please, help me. Shay."
Did they have a child together?
- But they've never met.
- I feel like we should just call her.
- Yeah, there's a lot of gaps. - Yeah.
[line trilling]
- Hello, Shay?
- It's Nev, from Catfish.
- I got your email.
I should tell you, Kamie is not
doing this episode with me,
but a fantastic young lady is in her place named Tallulah.
So I'm sitting actually here with Tallulah,
just so you know.
- Hi, nice to meet you.
- I don't know where to start, honestly.
Does it work for you if we come to Pompano Beach,
and get into this, and hopefully figure it out?
- Great. - Fantastic.
- I think we can just fly down there
tomorrow morning and meet up.
- OK, that sounds good. I'll send you guys an address.
- All right, great.
- Perfect. - See you tomorrow, Shay.
- See you tomorrow! - Thank you guys.
- Bye. - Bye.
- Should we pop on down to Pompano?
- Pam-pano, Pampano?
Pampano. - Pompano.
- Yeah.
- ♪ Me and you ♪
- We made it, Pompano Beach.
So Shay and Ceejay.
Eight years. - Eight years.
There's a baby. - Well--
- It's a teenage romance. - I don't think there's a baby.
- It sounds like this story is anything but typical.
- Right.
- ♪ Just side by side ♪
♪ So they can call us stereo ♪
- OK, let's do this.
Oh.
both: Hi! - Hey!
- How are you?
- Good, how are you? - Good.
- Shay, Shay, Shay. Go, Shay.
- Nice to meet you guys. - Hi, how are you?
- Thank you guys for coming.
- Of course, yeah. - You guys want to come in?
- Of course, sure.
- OK, come on.
- Shall we? - Yes.
- So give me the whole-- just give me the whole story.
- Timeline. Yeah, we're here, we're here.
- OK, so basically,
I met Ceejay on Facebook in like 2014.
- Yeah, eight years is a long time.
- Yeah.
She was like messaging me a few times
like, "Hey, you're pretty".
And I was like, "Oh, she's really pretty."
Then we moved on to exchanging numbers.
After that, we talked on the phone like the following day
when I was leaving school.
- Oh, so that all went pretty quick.
- Yeah, and we instantly just connected.
[upbeat music]
- Where is she from?
- Georgia. - OK.
- So I met her family about three months
into the relationship.
- Online, not in person?
- Yes, online. - OK.
I met her mom and her sister, Asia.
And her sister actually was, like, texting me one day
and was like, "If you love Ceejay like you say you do,
you would tat her name on you."
So I ended up tatting her name on my chest.
And then I called her and sent her the picture
while we were on the phone.
And I'm like-- - Hold on.
You tattooed a girl's name on your chest
that you'd never met, never FaceTimed with...
- Mm-hmm.
- And didn't even know it was real?
- Yes.
I was in love with her, you know?
- But why would you even listen to the sister?
- I was worried that, like, she would tell her
all these things and then, you know,
me and her would break up.
- Is it still there?
- Well, I covered it about two years ago.
- Wow. - Yeah.
- Crazy. OK, so keep going.
- Yeah, so still within that first year period,
she sent a ring and asked me to marry her.
- And let me guess, you say yes.
- Yes.
Like, I wore it like I was engaged.
- And you told your friends and family?
- Mm-hmm. - That's insane.
- I know.
- And you've never videochatted?
- We tried to videochat a few times,
but she would have excuses.
Like her phone was broke or her front camera was broke.
- Ding, ding, ding. - She couldn't see me.
- But you're still excited because this woman
seems great and seems to really love you and she's beautiful?
- Yes. We started making huge plans.
Almost a year in, we decided to have a kid.
- So what was the plan?
- I had to, like, basically screen the guys.
Like, one guy I met, I sent her a picture of me and him.
And she would give approval.
- So this isn't like the online database for sperm donors.
This is live human man.
- She kept pushing the issue like,
"Oh, you know, you need to meet up with him,"
and I would be like, "I don't want to meet up with him."
- Wow.
- She knew when I ovulated.
She actually had a tracker on her phone.
She would be like, "You need to go now
because you're high in that fertility range."
- This is [bleep] creepy.
Did you talk to this guy and say,
"Hey, I just want to let you know..."
- This is the situation. - "I've got a girlfriend."
- I told him what the plan was, that I had a girlfriend,
and we were trying to plan a kid.
- OK.
- So I met this one guy. We started hanging out.
But because at that time,
me and Ceejay weren't on good terms,
she was like verbally abusive and mentally draining.
So I kind of got romantically involved with him
in the breaks of me and her.
- So you actually developed feelings for him...
- Mm-hmm.
- Even though he initially started just as a potential--
- Sperm man. - Sperm donor.
- Pretty much.
But then I still ended up getting pregnant.
- Wow.
- And then we basically didn't
have a good relationship from there.
He ended up leaving.
And then Ceejay did step up and start sending me
things for the baby.
- Like what?
- She sent me a car seat, baby bag, clothes.
- All right, so that's kind of nice.
- Yeah, but there's time about three months
into the relationship when I was the one
that was there for her when she needed money.
- You sent her money? - Yeah.
At one point at time, I gave her my card.
So she'll be like, "Oh, I'm ordering pizza."
- What? Your bank card?
- Yeah.
And one day I went to the store,
and my card declined.
I had $0.
And then when I called her and asked her about it,
she said it was her sister, Asia,
and that she was gonna handle it.
And I guess her and Asia apparently got into a fight.
- So she's never paid you back, I presume?
- Mm-mm.
- OK, so fast forward and you have this baby.
- And me and her were still on and off.
You know, we wouldn't talk for like three or four months,
and then she'll pop back out of the blue.
But then I told her I was pregnant again.
- Wait a second. How did that happen?
- My--I guess you could say boyfriend,
we ended up, like, getting back romantically involved.
- So you got back together with your baby daddy.
- Yes. And then Ceejay, she was upset.
And when she's hurt, she tends to say hurtful things
to me, like tell me she hates me,
call me names, threaten me.
And after that, I completely cut her off.
But once I cut her off, she stalked me
for like over a year.
- What does that mean?
- Like, for example, I had a PoF,
and someone wrote me on PoF named Brit.
And then out of the blue, Ceejay wrote me
on Brit's page and was like, I had her reach out to you
because I couldn't contact you.
- OK, crazy.
- There was always, some way, somehow contacting me.
It has affected me in like a lot of ways.
I'm afraid to date online because it was multiple people.
- Oh, my God.
- And then I got a message on IG a few weeks ago
of her saying, like, "Hey, I know it's been a few years,
but I want to meet you."
- So after all these years, that's why you emailed us now?
- That's when you reached out to "Catfish."
- Yeah. - I'm glad you did.
This could be dangerous without us.
Can we see a picture of-- - Yeah.
- Ceejay? - So these are like a few pics.
- OK, well she's very pretty.
What does it say on her chest?
- Nique.
She told me that was her mom's name.
- OK.
Wow, OK.
Well, you know, I can understand, obviously,
as a 16-year-old seeing pictures of that woman
and being, like, into her.
All right, look, this is a lot. - Yes, it is.
- Honestly, this sounds like a horror movie.
- Yeah.
- I'm just so glad that you ended up on "Catfish"
and not like, "Cold Case."
This is some creepy [bleep].
- Yeah.
- What information do you have for her now?
- The Instagram and then, like, the old pictures
that I showed you guys.
- So you don't have any of her phone numbers that you--
- Mm-mm. - OK, so us the pictures.
Send us this new Instagram that she hit you up from
and whatever else you have.
- OK, certainly.
- And we'll do some research tomorrow.
We'll see what, if anything, we can find,
which might be tricky.
- OK. Thank you guys for coming.
- It's nice to meet you. - Oh, thank you.
- Hopefully, we'll have some information for you.
- Thank you, Nev. I appreciate it.
Have a good night, guys. Thank you.
- Oh, my God. - Oh, my God!
This is dark. - That was hard to listen to.
- The fact that she got bullied into--
- Have a baby. - Get pregnant.
I'm genuinely concerned about getting
involved with this person.
This could be the darkest catfish
we've ever had on the show.
[upbeat music]
- Let's do it. - Shall we?
- Thank you.
- Hello, you guys.
- Hi!
This place is so cute.
- What a set, huh?
- Minimalist.
So I like that. [laughs]
- OK, eight years ago, Shay and Ceejay
really gets serious quickly.
There was so much happening in that first year or two.
She was engaged to this girl, she got a ring,
she got her name tattooed on her chest.
Ceejay convinced Shay
that they should have a child together
and Shay did.
She found a guy, was having sex based on the--
- Direction.
- Direction of Ceejay, who knew her period chart.
- Oh, my God.
- It slowed down. They sort of stopped talking.
But Shay got pregnant with the sperm donor
and had a relationship with him.
But Ceejay is very good at manipulating Shay's feelings.
- Yeah.
- And the abusive behavior hasn't stopped.
Ceejay still is around-- whether it's
through some sneaky Plenty of Fish account
or her new Instagram.
She's not gone away.
And now she wants to meet Shay,
which could be dangerous without our help.
- Right.
There is so much psychological abuse happening
to someone who was so vulnerable.
- Yeah, we need Shay to be able to fully move on
and away from Ceejay.
- Yeah.
- Here's our email from Shay. OK.
"Hi, Nev and Tallulah.
"Here's all the recent info I have for Ceejay,
"and also some details I remember.
"Ceejay's full name is Cyannah Samuel.
She should be around 29 or 30."
OK.
"She said she was from New York but living in Georgia.
"I tried to find the address I had for her but I couldn't.
"I do remember sending a package to her
in [bleep]town, Georgia."
OK, so that's something.
"The Instagram she recently reached out to me was--"
oh, Ceejay Samuel, interesting.
"Ceejay introduced me to a bunch of family members.
"Her mom used to text me quite a lot.
"Her name was Dominique.
The 'Nique' tattoo on Ceejay's chest was for her."
- Right. - "I'm attaching pics.
"I hope this is enough information
"for you to find some answers.
Thanks again, Shay."
Let's run a picture of this girl.
I have a feeling it's gonna come back quickly.
There she is. That's definitely the tattoo.
- Yeah, definitely the girl. - That's definitely her.
Let's see. What is this?
So this is a hair account. - Yeah.
"Nique So Fine came through last night for a cut."
So this-- - That person--
- Girl's Instagram account is Nique So Fine and not--
both: Ceejay Samuels.
- Right. Let's check out her page.
Oh. - Holy [bleep].
- That's her.
OK, so... - Riverdale, Georgia.
Born in 1992.
- She's 30. - 30.
Alise Dominique. - Oh, [bleep].
- OK, so we've now confirmed the girl in the picture's name
is Alise Dominique Corbal.
- There's an OnlyFans. - Oh, really?
I'll just open OnlyFans on my phone.
- I've never been on OnlyFans before.
- Really? - Yeah.
- Oh, yeah. - Last seen yesterday.
- Wow. So this is very active.
If Dominique's her middle name, she goes by Nique,
that means that Ceejay convinced her to get
a tattoo on her chest of--
- A name that's not even--
oh, my God.
- I mean, that's-- - Diabolical.
That's so [bleep] up. That's like a fake name.
- Yeah, I mean, she was gonna have a baby with this person
who was totally lying to her.
- Have we looked at the Instagram
that she just reached out to Shay on?
- Oh. Let's go to that.
OK, so--OK, so this page has like very little on it.
- Yeah. - Oh, look.
"We was so in love," she said.
- There's more photos.
- But these are old.
OK, all of these pictures were posted on the same day.
So she's posting all the old pictures and texts
that they had sent each other from when they were talking.
So this is like, a weird, like, memory lane--
- Memory lane photo album.
- Weird that she's still posting these things.
OK, wait.
This has only one follower.
Who's this one person that would even be on her page?
- April [bleep].
- Who is she? Why is she on this page?
Like, why would this middle-aged woman
be on this page?
- Oh, this is so rough.
- She made this account-- - Oh, my God.
- It has to be her.
Who is this? We got to look her up.
- We got to look her up. Oh, my God.
- Is this-- - This is so creepy.
- Ceejay? - Georgia.
- OK. Married since 2001.
This does feel like a real page.
She's got her husband, looks like they may have a son.
I mean, is this Ceejay?
This is giving me
weird original "Catfish" documentary vibes.
- Yeah.
- Because the woman who was talking to me pretending to be
a much younger girl and a number of other people,
was also married and also cared for children.
And I'm just seeing this woman's life, and it's--
- Yeah. So then what's the move?
Do you message her, or do you try
to find someone who knows her?
- We could message her and--
- Just kind of get a temp check?
- Right. So let's message her here.
Hey, April.
This is Nev from the TV show, "Catfish."
We randomly came across you while doing some research,
and we're hoping you could jump on a call and help us out.
Let me know if you're available this afternoon, thanks.
- ♪ Bah, bah, bah ♪
- I feel like we've got enough now to go talk to Shay.
The girl in the pictures is not who she's talking to.
That is someone else.
- Alise. - Right.
So is all of the drama that Shay experienced
in relation to Ceejay the insane creation
of this one woman, April?
Or was it April and somebody or some other people?
- Yeah.
If this is what it is,
and we shatter this reality for Shay,
how do you come back from that?
How do you trust anyone in the world again?
- OK. Let's do it.
She said to come on in when we get here.
Hello. - Hi.
- How are you?
- Good to see you. - Hi.
How are you feeling? - A little nervous.
- Yeah. - Had a rough night.
- Yeah?
- I was, like, up crying for a couple hours.
You know, it's a lot.
- Just kind of going back through everything?
- Yeah, so we'll see.
- Well, we have some information.
Why don't we-- - Take a seat?
- Have a seat. - OK.
- OK, so the first place we started
was we took the photos that you had,
and we did an image search.
Came back with some hits.
We followed this photo to this Instagram,
but look at the name on it.
- Yes. - Alise Dominique.
So this jumped out at us because--
- The tattoo.
- Her tattoo says Nique, which you said
was supposed to be her--
- Mom's name. - Mom's name.
But clearly, it's this girl's name.
- Oh, wow.
- We also found an OnlyFans.
- OK.
- Again with the Nique screen name, active yesterday.
- Hm. - So that's who that girl is.
- Yeah.
- She has an OnlyFans account, She has an Instagram.
She has a whole life that is not in any way connected to--
- To what we had.
- To what you had.
- Eight years, like, how could you go on
with all the lies and, like, still sleep good at night?
- Mm-hmm.
- After we found this, we thought, all right.
Let's go to the new Instagram account
that Ceejay just popped back up on.
We noticed that there's only one follower,
and that we thought was weird.
We were like, who follows this page?
And there's just one lady named April.
- I've never heard of her.
- Now, obviously, there's a lot of things
that are weird about this account.
- Right.
- Everything about this page is [bleep] weird.
- Yes.
- Perhaps only made weirder by the fact
that only one person follows it.
- Right.
- Why would anyone even know about it?
- Correct.
- And it's this random woman named April.
So we Googled her, and we found her Facebook page.
OK? - Oh, wow.
- April seems like a very normal, nice lady.
She's married. She's got kids.
Does any of this seem familiar, or does any of it--
- No. - Ring any bells?
- Mm-mm. - OK.
Could it be that this is who
you were talking to that whole time?
- OK. If it is her, why?
- Why?
- Of everything we found,
the fact that there's this one strange woman
who follows the fake, new account.
- She's involved.
- There's a lot of arrows pointing at this woman.
Could she be involved? Could it be her?
We messaged her, but we haven't heard back,
and that's where we're at.
And now we kind of want to sort of check in
and see what you think.
- I'm just ready to finally-- to get the answers.
- I mean, why would someone who says they love you
tell you to tattoo a name that has nothing to do--
- To do with them.
- Is that just some [bleep] up game
to see if they can get you to do something just for fun?
- Probably at that time for them,
yeah, but for me, it wasn't.
- And if that person was a 40-year-old woman,
like, messing with a teenager?
- Like, shame on them. - Yeah.
[phone ringing] - Oh.
We're getting a call.
Hello.
- Yeah, I think so.
How you doing?
- Great.
We are doing a little research on a case here,
and it led us to an account for someone named Ceejay Samuel.
- Oh, well, and that led us to you because you're
the only person who currently follows an account for Ceejay.
- And we were just curious how you know her.
- You were neighbors?
- Do you remember any sort of defining characteristics
about her, like any tattoos?
- Where is that tattoo, do you remember?
- Like her chest?
- OK, I will be in touch if anything else comes up,
and obviously, I'll let her know that you're trying
to get back in touch with her.
- OK, you too, April.
- Bye-bye.
She's lying, unless we're totally wrong here, right?
- I mean, that was very weird.
Sus, sus, sus, sus.
- I don't--I'm not buying it. - I'm not buying it.
- I've never heard that voice. - Well, right.
I mean, she has a very--
- That's an older, country voice.
- Right.
Is it possible that that lady could--
- But I've never heard that voice before.
- I had a relationship with a 40-year-old woman
that I thought was 19 because she changed her voice
and made it sound younger and softer.
- Getting creepy now.
- So, OK.
We could try to reach out to Ceejay now.
- Should I try to call her?
- Can you call someone on Instagram now?
- You can. - Shall we try?
- Try.
[line trilling]
[dramatic music]
- This is Shay.
- I was trying to see if you wanted to meet up.
- OK.
- Where are you located?
- What part of Georgia are you in?
- You're in Atlanta. OK, great.
So I'm with "Catfish," so they're going
to help us meet each other.
- Hey, Ceejay, it's Nev, here.
Shay told us you reached out and wanted to meet.
We just wanted to make sure if we do come to Atlanta
that you are in fact there and that you're serious
about meeting up with her because I know in the past,
there's been talk about meeting up,
but it just hasn't happened.
There have been excuses.
So I just want to make sure you're serious this time
about actually getting together.
- OK, we'll plan on meeting up with you tomorrow evening.
[phone beeps] - OK.
- That was her, for sure?
- Yes.
- We've heard some very convincing fake voices,
but Ceejay and April sound so different, right?
- Mm-hmm.
- Well, look, at this point, I'm leaning away
from it being April, but we can't rule her out.
- Sure.
- I think it's safe to assume--
- That she's hiding something, for sure.
- I mean, this woman is a master manipulator.
- Right.
- I think if we want to get to the finish line,
we're just gonna have to play her game.
- Right.
- All right, well, then we'll hit the road in the morning.
- Sounds good.
I've never been on a plane, so...
- Oh, wow. - But I've got you guys.
- Yeah.
- So this will be a first experience for me--
and I never left Florida, so...
- Well, let's do it, yeah.
- Let's see.
I appreciate you guys for coming,
and we'll meet up in the morning.
- Yeah. - OK.
- Who knows what the hell's going on here.
I think we just got to buy the ticket, take the ride.
We're on Ceejay's roller coaster ride right now.
I'm sure there are a couple more twists and turns
before it ends.
- Something's lurking around the corner.
- Hi.
How are you?
- What's up?
- That was a lot of walking. - Good to see you.
- How you doing? - I'm doing good.
- Well, are you ready for your first flight?
- Somewhat.
Hey, Ceejay, this is Nev.
I'm with Shay at the airport now
about to get on our flight.
This is her first time flying, and she's super nervous, FYI.
Please send us an address to meet later.
This is a big deal for Shay, and I really hope
you take it seriously and use this as an opportunity
to be real and honest.
- That sounds good.
- Let's do it. - All right, after you.
- ♪ Let's let the ashes fly ♪
♪ We'll let the ashes fly ♪
- ♪ Let's let the ashes fly ♪
- Did it.
♪ ♪
It was scary, but I think I could do it again.
- Do you think it was worth it for Ceejay?
- All right.
- I'm kind of curious, like, if she's not the girl
in the picture, then I wonder who she is.
I just don't understand how people could do that
and, like, sleep OK.
- Think about it.
She hasn't really had any consequences.
- Kind of getting butterflies now.
[dramatic music]
- We are getting close.
- My heart is, like, pounding. - Yeah.
- All right.
This is it. - OK.
♪ ♪
- There's definitely people.
Not really sure who we're looking for.
"We're here. Where are you?"
♪ ♪
Is that her?
- Hi.
- You're not Ceejay, right?
- OK, that's creepy.
- I mean...
- Wait a second.
"Hey, I thought I can do this, but I can't.
I'm scared."
- I mean, the whole point--
- You're not the only one scared.
- Yeah, you're scared too.
- I understand. Can you--
- She could still come and talk.
- Chat quickly on phone?
Why don't we just go back to the car anyway
because I guess she's not coming.
- Who knows?
She may not even live in this city.
- We don't even know.
After everything she's put you through,
to say she'll meet us, give us an address,
give us a time.
- And then she bailed. - It's frustrating.
- We flew all the way here because you promised
you would meet Shay.
After all she's been through in her life,
I think you agree she deserves some honesty
and you will meet us tomorrow.
Here's another example of her choosing
what's best for her over what's best for you.
- Yeah. - So all right.
Well, let's go to the hotel.
Hopefully, we'll hear from her
about meeting up with her tomorrow.
- Hopefully.
- Hi, guys.
- Good morning. - Good morning.
- I haven't heard back since we left the park yesterday.
So let me check in.
"Good morning. Can you meet us today?"
- What about calling April?
She's the only human being that we spoke to
that may or may not be involved.
- All right, let's see.
[line trilling]
- Your call has been forwarded--
- Let me text.
Just checking in to see if you've
been in touch with Ceejay.
Oh.
She said, "I have not, but I can try
getting in touch with her."
"We're in town and trying to meet up with her.
Do you know how we can get a hold of her?"
She said, "I don't, but I might find out where she is."
Hmm. Oh, she's writing more.
"I tracked her down.
She's at her auntie's."
- What? - Amazing.
She seems like she wants to help,
but also suspiciously--
- Weird. - Connected.
- Yeah.
"I haven't spoken to her in forever.
Now I can find her within minutes."
- Yeah, a little too easy, right?
"But I know for sure she's at this address.
"This all needs to end.
She needs to come clean."
Kind of sounds like it could be April this whole time.
- Oh, April.
- "We will be there in an hour."
- Ready to do this?
- I guess so.
- I don't know what to expect anymore,
now that April's involved.
- Right.
- Who knows what we're getting ourselves into.
- It's all or nothing.
[tense music]
♪ ♪
- Whenever you're ready.
- We can go.
♪ ♪
- Let's see.
♪ ♪
- I don't know who the hell she can be.
- Well, she sent us an address.
♪ ♪
- Oh, OK.
♪ ♪
[door creaks]
Ceejay?
- Hello.
- Oh, OK.
[dramatic music]
[door creaks]
Ceejay?
- Hello. - How you doing?
- I'm good. - All right.
♪ ♪
Come on over--Ceejay, or--
- Ceejay.
- All right, well...
♪ ♪
This is Tallulah.
- Hi, Tallulah. - Nice to meet you.
- You obviously know Shea.
♪ ♪
You are and always have been Ceejay?
- Yes, sir. - OK.
- Is Ceejay really your name? Because--
- No.
- Because I tatted Ceejay on me.
- It's just a nickname that I gave myself years ago.
My name's Tae.
- OK, so who is April?
- April is a good friend of mine.
- OK, we spoke to her. - OK.
- She clearly was covering for you,
but she told us were here.
- Yeah, she called me and told me
she gave y'all the address.
- OK, yesterday, were you planning on meeting us, or...
- Yeah, but I got scared.
- So with the family members, like, with the Asia,
is that really your sister or--
- So Asia is actually my cousin.
But my mom ended up adopting her when she was little.
- But she never spoke to Asia.
Asia used to text her from your phone.
Was that her-- - Was that her or was that you?
- That wasn't me.
We used each other phone.
That's what me and my family do.
- Oh, wait.
Using someone's phone to text your friends is one thing.
Using someone's phone and texting their girlfriend--
- I mean, that's the type of bond they had.
- Yeah, but also, it wasn't just texting like,
"Hey, what's up?"
It was, like, blackmail-- - Manipulating, blackmailing.
- How did she manipulate and blackmail you?
- Well, wasn't it Asia who said you should get the tattoo?
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- So I mean--
yeah, because when she surprised me with the tattoo,
I was shocked.
- There's no way I'm buying that.
- OK.
- There's no way you didn't know
your cousin/sister had tried to convince her
to get a tattoo with your nickname
that you made up for yourself.
- Um-- - Explain how that makes sense.
- I did not--that was not me.
I don't know what you want me to say.
- Right, well, unfortunately, you're starting off
to us as a total liar.
- OK, well, that's how you feel.
- Well, no, it's not how I feel.
You lied to her.
- I did not lie to her.
Never wanted her to get a tattoo.
She surprised me with the tattoo.
- Bull[bleep]. Here's a better question.
Why did you consistently do unbelievably awful things
to her?
- I mean, don't get me wrong, it was wrong.
It was wrong for what I did.
I really did love you. My feelings was real.
It's just like, when I saw you from my real page,
I just knew you wasn't gonna talk to me.
- So the Ceejay page was created
specifically to contact Shay?
- So when you planned the kid, and I did all those things--
- OK, so I feel like me planning the kid with you
was going to be my motivation
to come out and tell you the truth.
Because you're right.
You can't plan a kid with somebody
and just erase it away.
That's why when you told me you didn't know how
you was gonna afford things, I did my best
to do that for you and the baby.
I made it happen.
Car seat, clothes, all that.
Because I felt like it was my responsibility too.
But you came out and told me you didn't want me to be
a part of your child's life because you didn't want
your daughter confused, and you felt like
her real father was supposed to be a part of her life.
It hurted me. You know, it hurted me bad.
But I still did things for that baby,
regardless how heartbroken I was.
- I mean, the reason why I felt like the father should be there
was because my first daughter was
not born when I was with you.
- If you add it up, she was a month pregnant.
We only been broken up for a month.
So technically, yeah, you did cheat on me.
- Wait a second.
You're upset because you feel like she
cheated on you with that guy?
- Ain't no feel like. She did!
I have already stated like, yes, I was wrong for lying
to you about my identity.
It ain't no excuses for that, and I regret what I did,
but I really did love you.
You [bleep] around in our relationship.
How the [bleep] was-- how the [bleep]--
- We weren't together, though.
You do know that we broke up like three months, six months.
You're trying to seem like we were consistent.
- Why would you get in a long-distance relationship
knowing you can't be committed, bro?
You have commitment issues. - That's not the point.
- You have commitment issues.
You know what, I don't want to talk no more,
because she's not even being--
- Hold on a second, hold on a second.
Please come back here--
- No, I'm not coming back.
- Well--
- If she's not gonna be honest,
there's no sense in me standing here being honest.
- You don't get to be upset if she's not being honest
because you've been so dishonest for so long.
- We both got hurt in this situation.
You don't know how I feel.
You don't know what I went through.
- Did you take money out of her bank account?
- Yeah, and I blamed it on my sister
because I didn't want to hurt her.
- Right, just like you--
- I didn't want to hurt her more.
- Blamed the tattoo thing on your sister.
- No. - You put me through a lot.
- You never took responsibility for what you done.
You always point the blame at me.
Be honest. You never once apologized.
You never once felt bad about what you did to me.
She cheated--not just one, Nev.
- We weren't together when these things happened.
- Stop lying! - Hold on a second.
♪ ♪
- Wait. Shay, hold on.
- Shay.
- Hold on a second. Hold on a second.
- Hold on a second.
[dramatic music]
- Wait, Shay, hold on.
- Shay.
- Hey.
- Let's take a quick regroup.
- OK.
- You can go inside if you want.
We'll check back in in a minute.
♪ ♪
- Just like, take a breath. You're OK.
- Shay, how are you feeling about this?
- That was a lot.
- What do you need in this moment?
Do you feel like you can go home
and start your life as this being--
- Yeah. - A chapter behind you.
Like, are you open to talking to her ever again?
- I feel like I got what I needed.
And I think this will probably be the last day.
At this moment, I don't want anything.
- OK.
- Go in there and with love and just say,
"This is how this is gonna work for me."
- That sounds good. - Want to go do that?
- Yeah. - OK.
♪ ♪
- Place to sit?
- Y'all can sit over there.
- This is good.
OK.
Now that we're sitting and we've expressed
our more sort of volatile, toxic feelings and hurt,
I think it's important to clear up the actions
you admit that you did do.
You've owned up to it being you
that used the money,
despite initially blaming on your sister.
- Yeah, I blamed it on my sister.
You know, I told Shay it was my sister,
but it was actually me because I didn't want
to seem even more like an asshole, you know, at the time.
So I just blamed it on my sister
to get my name cleared.
- Do you remember why you took the money?
- Well, I was going through a lot then.
I was homeless.
And being with Shay just took my mind off a lot of that.
- I understand she was going through her things,
but that put me in a jam too
because I couldn't get grocery,
and that took from our mouths.
- Right. - So I'm sorry for that.
[soft music]
- Beyond this money thing, you're clearly feeling a lot.
♪ ♪
- I don't know.
I don't know how we gon' come back from this.
You know, we both lost.
You know, I lost somebody that I truly loved...
I really do regret everything I did to you.
And that's why I tried to fix it on my own.
I went to counseling to get over the pain with Shay.
I stopped doing what I was doing
because I genuinely regretted hurting you.
I have always been in love with Shay.
I don't know if I'm over her, you know?
So I can't have no friendship with her
because I just don't want to fall back in love with her,
you know?
She's a great person, you know?
I'm not gonna open the wounds up again.
♪ ♪
- How does it feel to hear that?
- Shocking.
Because it's been, like, years.
And you know, I want you to be able to move on and be happy.
- Right.
- So it sounds like maybe giving each other
some space is a good idea.
- Right.
- Yep.
- So is this goodbye?
- Yes.
- Well, I'm glad we were able to do this.
- Thank you. - Yeah.
- Thank you. - I appreciate that.
- ♪ I see the world outside my door ♪
♪ Constant reminder there's so much more... ♪
- Well, that's over with.
- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you, Nev.
- Nice to meet you.
- Same. - Nice to meet you.
- OK.
- All right. Take care.
- Take care.
- ♪ So when I break down, I list off the reasons ♪
- Are you ready to move on now?
- Yeah, I'm ready to move on.
I'm much more at peace now.
- ♪ I'll find a way through the sorrow ♪
- I'm ready to--visually meet someone, you know?
I don't have to keep looking over my shoulder.
♪ ♪
- ♪ Sleep deprivation's got me at my heels ♪
♪ This year taught me how it feels ♪
♪ To be lost and ambitious ♪
♪ I've been on a mission ♪
♪ I won't stop till I'm done ♪
[upbeat music]
♪ ♪
- Angela was in a relationship for almost 20 years,
but that ended.
Gets into TikTok, and right away,
she gets a message from a Justin.
- He always would say, "You're smart, you're pretty."
- You don't even know how old he is?
But what's that? - That is a wedding ring.
- He's married!
- I'm not feeling so good about this now.
- Hey. Are you Justin?