1 00:00:02,770 --> 00:00:05,671 20 years, they've been talking. 2 00:00:05,740 --> 00:00:08,073 - This is someone that's miles and miles away. 3 00:00:08,142 --> 00:00:10,075 And it's like if I needed something, 4 00:00:10,144 --> 00:00:11,844 I can just pick up the phone and call him. 5 00:00:11,912 --> 00:00:13,379 He's my constant. 6 00:00:13,447 --> 00:00:15,180 - Hey David, its Nev here. 7 00:00:17,485 --> 00:00:18,617 I'm ready to take you down there, 8 00:00:18,686 --> 00:00:20,352 whether he calls us back or not. 9 00:00:20,421 --> 00:00:23,322 - No matter what happens, we're here with you. 10 00:00:23,391 --> 00:00:24,556 - Come on, David. 11 00:00:24,625 --> 00:00:26,392 - There's a light on, but... 12 00:00:26,460 --> 00:00:28,060 oh, Jesus. 13 00:00:28,129 --> 00:00:30,763 Hello. - Oh, my God. 14 00:00:33,501 --> 00:00:38,203 - All right, well, sadly, we don't have Kamie on this ep. 15 00:00:38,272 --> 00:00:41,774 But we have a very cool guest co-host, 16 00:00:41,842 --> 00:00:44,243 and he's just inside that door. 17 00:00:44,311 --> 00:00:47,046 Great guy, great actor... 18 00:00:47,114 --> 00:00:48,881 Dylan Sprayberry. 19 00:00:48,949 --> 00:00:50,082 Dylan. 20 00:00:50,151 --> 00:00:51,350 - Oh, my God, Nev. 21 00:00:51,419 --> 00:00:52,918 Nice to meet you. - Hey, good to see you. 22 00:00:52,987 --> 00:00:56,188 Dylan is literally Superman, or at least 23 00:00:56,257 --> 00:00:59,758 he was when he played young Clark Kent in "Man of Steel." 24 00:00:59,827 --> 00:01:02,661 And his career has only flown to new heights from there. 25 00:01:02,730 --> 00:01:05,431 He achieved full-blown teen heartthrob status 26 00:01:05,499 --> 00:01:07,866 when he starred in MTV's "Teen Wolf." 27 00:01:07,935 --> 00:01:09,401 And he's now reprising that role 28 00:01:09,470 --> 00:01:12,371 in the upcoming "Teen Wolf" movie. 29 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:13,872 What's up, buddy? - Come on in. 30 00:01:13,941 --> 00:01:16,075 - All right, so welcome to the show. 31 00:01:16,143 --> 00:01:17,042 - Thank you. I'm excited for this. 32 00:01:17,111 --> 00:01:18,577 - Nice to have you back on MTV. 33 00:01:18,646 --> 00:01:20,579 - It's been a long time. - Right, yeah, that's right. 34 00:01:20,648 --> 00:01:24,083 Also, I have to say, this is a real special moment for me 35 00:01:24,151 --> 00:01:27,486 because it might be one of the only times 36 00:01:27,555 --> 00:01:30,689 someone on the show has had as much or more chest hair 37 00:01:30,758 --> 00:01:31,890 than I do. 38 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:32,991 I should have been on "Teen Wolf." 39 00:01:33,060 --> 00:01:34,393 - You could have been on "Teen Wolf." 40 00:01:34,462 --> 00:01:36,228 They wouldn't have had to do too many effects. 41 00:01:36,297 --> 00:01:37,696 - Right. - Oh, God. 42 00:01:37,765 --> 00:01:39,298 - Oh, come on. - Dude. 43 00:01:39,366 --> 00:01:40,966 - Anyway, all right. 44 00:01:41,035 --> 00:01:42,468 So let's get into it. 45 00:01:42,536 --> 00:01:44,570 - Let's do it. - Got an email here. 46 00:01:44,638 --> 00:01:49,208 Subject of the email is "20 years of longing." 47 00:01:49,276 --> 00:01:52,344 And it's from Motherwolff, PA. 48 00:01:52,413 --> 00:01:53,479 Which I assume is Pennsylvania. 49 00:01:53,547 --> 00:01:55,581 But is Motherwolff a place or a person? 50 00:01:55,649 --> 00:01:57,116 - That's my mom. - Oh, my God. 51 00:01:57,184 --> 00:01:58,784 Wait a second. - That's my mother. 52 00:01:58,853 --> 00:02:00,619 - Is there a mother character in "Teen Wolf"? 53 00:02:00,688 --> 00:02:01,854 Okay. 54 00:02:01,922 --> 00:02:03,856 Hello, my name is June. 55 00:02:03,924 --> 00:02:05,757 But I go by Motherwolff. 56 00:02:05,826 --> 00:02:09,428 I'm a 53-year-old freelance dog sitter. 57 00:02:09,497 --> 00:02:11,130 I have five kids 58 00:02:11,198 --> 00:02:13,465 and nine grandkids. - Damn! 59 00:02:13,534 --> 00:02:17,202 - And I've been in an on again, off again online relationship 60 00:02:17,271 --> 00:02:18,804 with a man named David. 61 00:02:18,873 --> 00:02:23,175 - ♪ I know we would manage if we just tried ♪ 62 00:02:23,244 --> 00:02:27,646 - He's in Orlando, and I'm in York, Pennsylvania. 63 00:02:27,715 --> 00:02:32,017 I met him 20 years ago in an AOL chat room 64 00:02:32,086 --> 00:02:35,287 where he went as Warlock. - Oh, wow. 65 00:02:35,356 --> 00:02:38,824 - ♪ We can write our own story ♪ 66 00:02:38,893 --> 00:02:42,227 ♪ We can make our own glory ♪ 67 00:02:42,296 --> 00:02:44,296 - He was comforting and kind. 68 00:02:44,365 --> 00:02:48,500 But when I first heard his voice, it drove me wild. 69 00:02:48,569 --> 00:02:50,569 It's deep and husky. 70 00:02:50,638 --> 00:02:52,337 - Oh! 71 00:02:52,406 --> 00:02:55,174 - It's still gives me chills down my spine. 72 00:02:55,242 --> 00:02:58,977 Over the years, even when we began to become more distant 73 00:02:59,046 --> 00:03:01,146 and contact wouldn't happen for months at a time, 74 00:03:01,215 --> 00:03:03,348 he would send a message and we would catch up 75 00:03:03,417 --> 00:03:05,017 with how our lives were going. 76 00:03:05,085 --> 00:03:06,685 - ♪ I've got a friend in you...♪ 77 00:03:06,754 --> 00:03:10,189 - He became so much a part of my daughter's and my life 78 00:03:10,257 --> 00:03:11,590 even from far away. 79 00:03:11,659 --> 00:03:14,726 He was there for me through many hard times 80 00:03:14,795 --> 00:03:20,032 and my evolution from solitary witch to satanist. 81 00:03:22,403 --> 00:03:25,404 Wow, this is fascinating. - This is juicy. 82 00:03:25,472 --> 00:03:30,042 - He always seemed to feel me and hear me as I would speak 83 00:03:30,110 --> 00:03:32,477 his name on the night winds. 84 00:03:32,546 --> 00:03:35,080 [voice whispers] David... 85 00:03:35,149 --> 00:03:38,050 Over these 20 years, there was constantly 86 00:03:38,118 --> 00:03:39,885 talk of meeting in person. 87 00:03:39,954 --> 00:03:42,754 For one reason or another, it hasn't happened. 88 00:03:42,823 --> 00:03:45,190 Now more than ever, I want him. 89 00:03:45,259 --> 00:03:46,592 I need him. 90 00:03:46,660 --> 00:03:48,427 Could you please finally help me 91 00:03:48,495 --> 00:03:51,263 put a solid face and presence to someone I've cared 92 00:03:51,332 --> 00:03:53,799 deeply about for so long? 93 00:03:53,867 --> 00:03:59,838 Sincerely, June AKA Motherwolff." 94 00:04:01,709 --> 00:04:03,141 - That's heavy, man. 95 00:04:03,210 --> 00:04:04,776 - Wow, 20 years. 96 00:04:04,845 --> 00:04:06,411 All right. Well, we gotta call this woman. 97 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,714 I'm fascinated. Motherwolff. 98 00:04:08,782 --> 00:04:11,416 [line ringing] 99 00:04:12,186 --> 00:04:14,686 - Yes, hi. Is this Motherwolff? 100 00:04:15,389 --> 00:04:18,223 - Hey, it's Nev. 101 00:04:18,292 --> 00:04:22,961 - And for this episode, we have a guest co-host. 102 00:04:23,030 --> 00:04:24,096 - And his name is Dylan. 103 00:04:24,164 --> 00:04:26,031 - Hi there, miss. Nice to meet you. 104 00:04:27,468 --> 00:04:28,967 - How did you get the name Motherwolff? 105 00:04:41,282 --> 00:04:43,982 - Wow. I'd rather talk about it in person. 106 00:04:44,051 --> 00:04:46,485 Do you have time right now if we come 107 00:04:46,553 --> 00:04:50,022 meet you out in Pennsylvania? 108 00:04:50,090 --> 00:04:52,524 - All right, we're gonna fly out and we'll get into it. 109 00:04:53,527 --> 00:04:54,860 - Bye-bye now. Can't wait. 110 00:04:56,563 --> 00:04:57,729 - All right. Take care. 111 00:04:57,798 --> 00:04:59,531 Wow. This is crazy. 112 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,434 - ♪ Better be a dream with a different entry ♪ 113 00:05:02,503 --> 00:05:05,270 ♪ Clean off my finger like an ice cream ♪ 114 00:05:05,339 --> 00:05:06,838 ♪ The sun was shining...♪ 115 00:05:06,907 --> 00:05:08,140 - Ah, Pennsylvania. 116 00:05:08,208 --> 00:05:10,776 - So Motherwolff and David. 117 00:05:10,844 --> 00:05:12,377 - So-called David. 118 00:05:12,446 --> 00:05:14,079 - Talking for 20 years. 119 00:05:14,148 --> 00:05:15,714 - I hope it's really him. 120 00:05:15,783 --> 00:05:17,482 - Who really is him? 121 00:05:17,551 --> 00:05:20,752 - Here we go. - All right. 122 00:05:21,588 --> 00:05:23,555 [doorbell rings] 123 00:05:24,591 --> 00:05:26,692 - Hi. - Hey, what's up? 124 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:27,859 - Hello. How youse all doing? 125 00:05:27,928 --> 00:05:29,861 - Good. How are you? - Nice to meet you. 126 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:31,330 - Good to meet you. - Nev, obviously. Dylan. 127 00:05:31,398 --> 00:05:32,731 - Hi, Dylan. Nice to meet you. 128 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:33,932 - Good to meet you also. Come on in. 129 00:05:34,001 --> 00:05:35,434 - So should we just call you Motherwolff? 130 00:05:35,502 --> 00:05:38,036 - Yeah. - Thanks for having us. 131 00:05:38,105 --> 00:05:39,338 - I'm so very curious. 132 00:05:39,406 --> 00:05:40,505 - Uh-huh. 133 00:05:40,574 --> 00:05:42,641 - You used to be a... - In a coven? 134 00:05:42,710 --> 00:05:44,543 - Well, yeah. You were an independent witch. 135 00:05:44,611 --> 00:05:46,345 Wait, what'd you call it? - Oh, yes, 30 plus years, 136 00:05:46,413 --> 00:05:47,879 I was conservative Baptist. 137 00:05:47,948 --> 00:05:48,980 - Got it. 138 00:05:49,049 --> 00:05:51,116 - And then in my early 30s, I dedicated 139 00:05:51,185 --> 00:05:52,384 into solitary witchcraft. 140 00:05:52,453 --> 00:05:55,520 - Can you give me some background 141 00:05:55,589 --> 00:05:57,756 as to what it means when you say practice witchcraft? 142 00:05:57,825 --> 00:05:59,524 - With witchcraft, we look at it 143 00:05:59,593 --> 00:06:03,028 as we manifest our desires by speaking it on the wind 144 00:06:03,097 --> 00:06:04,629 and with our works. 145 00:06:04,698 --> 00:06:05,931 - Can you give me an example? 146 00:06:05,999 --> 00:06:08,333 What if any spells have you attempted 147 00:06:08,402 --> 00:06:09,901 to use in regards to David? 148 00:06:09,970 --> 00:06:11,403 Can you inspire him to... 149 00:06:11,472 --> 00:06:13,905 - Yes, we actually...it's called speaking on the wind. 150 00:06:13,974 --> 00:06:16,375 We had went without talking for a while, 151 00:06:16,443 --> 00:06:18,210 and my mom had passed away. 152 00:06:18,278 --> 00:06:20,379 And I had no way to reach him. 153 00:06:20,447 --> 00:06:23,281 He wasn't answering his messages. 154 00:06:23,350 --> 00:06:25,350 And I put the window up. 155 00:06:25,419 --> 00:06:27,419 And I sat there, and I called out to him. 156 00:06:27,488 --> 00:06:29,087 I said, "I need you." 157 00:06:29,156 --> 00:06:31,423 And we do this little thing where it's like a little howl. 158 00:06:31,492 --> 00:06:33,392 - Like a howl, like, kind of like a wolf? 159 00:06:33,460 --> 00:06:35,761 - Yeah. It's just a real light... 160 00:06:35,829 --> 00:06:37,429 [howls] Aoooh... 161 00:06:37,498 --> 00:06:42,601 And he called me 30 minutes later, he said, "I heard you." 162 00:06:42,669 --> 00:06:43,869 - He said that? - That's wild. 163 00:06:43,937 --> 00:06:45,137 - He was like, I felt like I knew... 164 00:06:45,205 --> 00:06:46,705 - He said, "I heard you." 165 00:06:46,774 --> 00:06:49,074 - And is he versed in any of this kind of stuff 166 00:06:49,143 --> 00:06:50,675 that you do as well? - Okay. 167 00:06:50,744 --> 00:06:53,044 - In fact, when we had met... 168 00:06:53,113 --> 00:06:55,447 it was a chat room called Virtual Magic. 169 00:06:55,516 --> 00:06:57,249 I saw his name and it caught my attention. 170 00:06:57,317 --> 00:06:58,550 His name was Warlock. 171 00:06:58,619 --> 00:07:01,987 And it just... I don't know something 172 00:07:02,055 --> 00:07:03,021 about it clicked to me. 173 00:07:03,090 --> 00:07:04,689 I just kept watching him. 174 00:07:04,758 --> 00:07:07,426 And we got to talking, and it just took off from there. 175 00:07:07,494 --> 00:07:09,861 And we would just talk and talk. 176 00:07:09,930 --> 00:07:12,364 And then next thing I knew, he had my phone number, 177 00:07:12,433 --> 00:07:14,099 and we were talking on the phone. 178 00:07:14,168 --> 00:07:17,269 And we were talking all the time, hours on the phone. 179 00:07:17,337 --> 00:07:21,273 - You mentioned in your email how much you love his voice. 180 00:07:21,341 --> 00:07:25,310 - Yes. His voice was always kind of smooth, very calming. 181 00:07:25,379 --> 00:07:27,612 And I would relax instantly. 182 00:07:27,681 --> 00:07:30,916 Now the only place I hear from him is through messenger. 183 00:07:30,984 --> 00:07:32,617 But it was just really nice. 184 00:07:32,686 --> 00:07:34,853 And he was just always right there. 185 00:07:34,922 --> 00:07:38,089 He spent a lot of time talking to us, me and my kids. 186 00:07:38,158 --> 00:07:40,592 We became very, very close. 187 00:07:40,661 --> 00:07:42,260 It was so surprising that, you know, 188 00:07:42,329 --> 00:07:44,463 this is someone that's miles and miles away. 189 00:07:44,531 --> 00:07:47,666 And it's like if...if I needed something, I could just pick 190 00:07:47,734 --> 00:07:49,134 up the phone and call him. 191 00:07:49,203 --> 00:07:51,203 If my girls had a bad time at school, 192 00:07:51,271 --> 00:07:52,437 he'd talk to 'em about it. 193 00:07:52,506 --> 00:07:54,072 We talked every day. 194 00:07:54,141 --> 00:07:57,309 But he would disappear for months at a time 195 00:07:57,377 --> 00:07:59,044 or I wouldn't hear from him. 196 00:07:59,112 --> 00:08:01,179 But he always seemed to feel when I was having a crisis. 197 00:08:01,248 --> 00:08:03,381 You know, he'd be... be gone for like three, 198 00:08:03,450 --> 00:08:05,550 four, maybe five months, I wouldn't hear anything. 199 00:08:05,619 --> 00:08:07,686 And then something would be going 200 00:08:07,754 --> 00:08:09,454 on that just had me a little stressed out 201 00:08:09,523 --> 00:08:11,122 and I'd hear from. 202 00:08:11,191 --> 00:08:13,058 During some of the hardest times in my life, he's there. 203 00:08:13,126 --> 00:08:14,860 - And now, over the course of the 20 years, 204 00:08:14,928 --> 00:08:17,128 I imagine you both had other relationships. 205 00:08:17,197 --> 00:08:19,865 - Yes. I've had several relationships. 206 00:08:19,933 --> 00:08:21,633 They all knew about him. 207 00:08:21,702 --> 00:08:23,502 I said, "I have a man that I will 208 00:08:23,570 --> 00:08:24,703 not stop talking to though. 209 00:08:24,771 --> 00:08:26,371 It's not negotiable." 210 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,206 And they said, "Well, what if I give you an ultimatum?" 211 00:08:28,275 --> 00:08:30,642 I said, "Well, you can put your shoes right back on." 212 00:08:30,711 --> 00:08:32,077 That's where it was at. 213 00:08:32,145 --> 00:08:34,946 He's my constant. Constantly the one there. 214 00:08:35,015 --> 00:08:37,649 - So wait, so what do you know about this guy? 215 00:08:37,718 --> 00:08:39,751 Has he always lived in Orlando? 216 00:08:39,820 --> 00:08:41,286 - As far as I know, yeah. 217 00:08:41,355 --> 00:08:43,255 I don't know the street number anymore. 218 00:08:43,323 --> 00:08:45,290 But I know he used to live on Stonebridge Lane 219 00:08:45,359 --> 00:08:47,359 'cause I sent him a couple packages there. 220 00:08:47,427 --> 00:08:50,362 And he confirmed the packages, told me what was in them. 221 00:08:50,430 --> 00:08:53,198 - Have you ever met or talked to anybody 222 00:08:53,267 --> 00:08:54,699 that's ever met him in person? 223 00:08:54,768 --> 00:08:56,201 - One. 224 00:08:56,270 --> 00:08:58,236 There was a girl that had been in the chat. 225 00:08:58,305 --> 00:08:59,538 Deedee. 226 00:08:59,606 --> 00:09:01,239 He said she was the mother of his son. 227 00:09:01,308 --> 00:09:04,075 And that was his ex, but they stayed in the same house 228 00:09:04,144 --> 00:09:05,076 for their child. 229 00:09:05,145 --> 00:09:06,711 I became friends with her also. 230 00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:08,513 Even if he wasn't home, I'd call for him, 231 00:09:08,582 --> 00:09:10,849 me and her would talk for like an hour. 232 00:09:10,918 --> 00:09:12,717 - So it was...it was like a house phone? 233 00:09:12,786 --> 00:09:14,052 - Yeah. 234 00:09:14,121 --> 00:09:16,288 - So have you only ever had his landline? 235 00:09:16,356 --> 00:09:17,923 Or do you now have his cell phone? 236 00:09:17,991 --> 00:09:19,558 - No, I don't have his cell phone. 237 00:09:19,626 --> 00:09:21,793 We talk strictly through Messenger on Facebook. 238 00:09:21,862 --> 00:09:23,628 - When was the last time he messaged you? 239 00:09:23,697 --> 00:09:25,697 - Uh, last night. 240 00:09:25,766 --> 00:09:27,566 - Last night? Wow. - Yeah. 241 00:09:27,634 --> 00:09:29,634 - So he's had the same Facebook page for a while. 242 00:09:29,703 --> 00:09:31,703 - Yeah. - You've seen a photo of him? 243 00:09:31,772 --> 00:09:34,372 - Yeah. These are pictures that he had sent me 244 00:09:34,441 --> 00:09:36,374 a while back, like, online. 245 00:09:36,443 --> 00:09:38,610 - Wait, let me see. - That's him at the top. 246 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,946 - Wow. Look at this guy. 247 00:09:41,014 --> 00:09:44,516 - And when he had sent them to me, he said, "Shh." 248 00:09:44,585 --> 00:09:46,718 I guess he didn't want me to show 'em anybody else. 249 00:09:46,787 --> 00:09:49,554 - Hmm. - And we'd never video chatted. 250 00:09:49,623 --> 00:09:51,623 There was always a reason it didn't work. 251 00:09:51,692 --> 00:09:52,958 He needed to get a webcam. 252 00:09:53,026 --> 00:09:54,626 There was this, there was that. 253 00:09:54,695 --> 00:09:56,628 And back then I figured, oh, you know, eventually, 254 00:09:56,697 --> 00:09:57,829 we'll meet each other. 255 00:09:57,898 --> 00:09:59,664 Never dreamed it would go this long. 256 00:09:59,733 --> 00:10:04,636 - So what if, for these last 20 years, David has lied to you? 257 00:10:04,705 --> 00:10:06,938 What if he's not the guy in the pictures? 258 00:10:07,007 --> 00:10:08,907 What if he hasn't been honest with you? 259 00:10:08,976 --> 00:10:12,978 - Well, of course, I would be upset with him. 260 00:10:13,046 --> 00:10:14,646 It's still not a deal breaker. 261 00:10:14,715 --> 00:10:15,947 - Really? 262 00:10:16,016 --> 00:10:17,716 So you think you could still pursue 263 00:10:17,784 --> 00:10:19,417 a relationship with him? 264 00:10:19,486 --> 00:10:21,853 - I mean, when it mattered, when I really need someone, 265 00:10:21,922 --> 00:10:23,088 he's been there. 266 00:10:23,156 --> 00:10:25,123 You know, people make mistakes. 267 00:10:25,192 --> 00:10:27,626 And if he's willing to make things right, 268 00:10:27,694 --> 00:10:29,594 there's still possibilities there. 269 00:10:29,663 --> 00:10:31,162 It's been 20 years now. 270 00:10:31,231 --> 00:10:32,998 We need to get to the bottom of this. 271 00:10:33,066 --> 00:10:36,601 I'm done playing the game and waiting. 272 00:10:36,670 --> 00:10:39,537 You know, it's not gonna be on David's terms anymore. 273 00:10:39,606 --> 00:10:41,439 It's going to be where I step up. 274 00:10:41,508 --> 00:10:43,642 I'm ready to do something with my life. 275 00:10:43,710 --> 00:10:45,610 And if it's going to be with him, great. 276 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,012 - Right. 277 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,348 We're gonna need you to send us any info... 278 00:10:50,417 --> 00:10:51,616 - Okay. 279 00:10:51,685 --> 00:10:53,184 - You know, that you have on David. 280 00:10:53,253 --> 00:10:55,120 Tomorrow, we'll start digging and we'll just 281 00:10:55,188 --> 00:10:56,921 have to take it from there. - All right. 282 00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:58,023 - We got to make this happen. 283 00:10:58,091 --> 00:10:59,624 - Yeah, we got to make this happen. 284 00:10:59,693 --> 00:11:03,595 Finally, after all these years, the time is now. 285 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,500 - The Black Cat Café. - Oh! 286 00:11:08,568 --> 00:11:10,602 - They have ice cream and cats. - Wow. 287 00:11:10,671 --> 00:11:12,704 - You little sleepy kitty. 288 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:14,606 - Cute. 289 00:11:14,675 --> 00:11:16,808 - All right, so what do we got? 290 00:11:16,877 --> 00:11:19,678 We got Motherwolff and David. 291 00:11:19,746 --> 00:11:23,581 For 20 years, they've been talking. 292 00:11:24,518 --> 00:11:27,852 For the first few years, they were like very serious 293 00:11:27,921 --> 00:11:29,120 and together. - Mm-hmm. 294 00:11:29,189 --> 00:11:30,522 - But things happen. 295 00:11:30,590 --> 00:11:32,290 They lost touch, they get back in touch. 296 00:11:32,359 --> 00:11:34,392 Motherwolff believes that they are connected, 297 00:11:34,461 --> 00:11:36,895 and he feels and hears her. 298 00:11:36,963 --> 00:11:38,096 She needs him. 299 00:11:38,165 --> 00:11:39,764 He's always there. 300 00:11:39,833 --> 00:11:43,334 And they've really maintained a very meaningful relationship 301 00:11:43,403 --> 00:11:44,969 for most of those 20 years. 302 00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:47,138 - Yeah, I mean, it seems like the last missing 303 00:11:47,207 --> 00:11:49,641 piece to her life right now is figuring this out. 304 00:11:49,710 --> 00:11:51,876 But I have a lot of questions about David. 305 00:11:51,945 --> 00:11:54,079 - For sure. All right, so you ready to dive in? 306 00:11:54,147 --> 00:11:55,580 - Hell yeah. 307 00:11:55,649 --> 00:11:58,049 - "Hey, guys, here's the details I know about David. 308 00:11:58,118 --> 00:12:01,553 His name is David Derringer, and he lives in Orlando. 309 00:12:01,621 --> 00:12:03,588 The pictures I have are attached. 310 00:12:03,657 --> 00:12:05,890 I no longer have any of the phone numbers for David. 311 00:12:05,959 --> 00:12:07,726 I have previously sent him gifts 312 00:12:07,794 --> 00:12:09,327 to an address in Orlando. 313 00:12:09,396 --> 00:12:10,962 Don't have the full address anymore. 314 00:12:11,031 --> 00:12:13,431 But I know it was on Stonebridge Drive 315 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:14,632 in Orlando, Florida. 316 00:12:14,701 --> 00:12:17,135 His Facebook is David Derringer. 317 00:12:17,204 --> 00:12:19,137 I can't wait to hear what you find out. 318 00:12:19,206 --> 00:12:20,271 Thanks again. 319 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:21,740 Aooooooo! 320 00:12:21,808 --> 00:12:23,007 Motherwolff." 321 00:12:23,076 --> 00:12:24,576 - I didn't know that's how you spelt a howl. 322 00:12:24,644 --> 00:12:26,478 That's smart. - Okay, so let's see. 323 00:12:26,546 --> 00:12:27,846 We don't have a ton. 324 00:12:27,914 --> 00:12:29,314 Let's go to his Facebook page and just 325 00:12:29,382 --> 00:12:32,150 see what it looks like because she talked a lot about it. 326 00:12:32,219 --> 00:12:35,687 All right, so there's a picture of a wolf. 327 00:12:35,756 --> 00:12:38,189 He lives in Orlando, 64 friends. 328 00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:40,959 Family, no relationships, no family details. 329 00:12:41,027 --> 00:12:42,494 Nothing. Yeah. 330 00:12:42,562 --> 00:12:45,797 Okay, so there's not a lot on here except for his friends. 331 00:12:45,866 --> 00:12:49,434 There's photos of David, and it's literally the night sky. 332 00:12:49,503 --> 00:12:51,870 So David's profile does not have a lot of information 333 00:12:51,938 --> 00:12:53,171 on it. 334 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,939 I'd say this page looks pretty fake. 335 00:12:55,008 --> 00:12:56,975 So I think we should run the photos. 336 00:12:57,043 --> 00:13:00,645 Let's try a little facial recognition. 337 00:13:00,714 --> 00:13:03,782 Whoa, a lot of hits. 338 00:13:03,850 --> 00:13:05,650 Definitely the same guy. 339 00:13:05,719 --> 00:13:07,552 What is this website? 340 00:13:07,621 --> 00:13:08,720 Fubar? 341 00:13:08,789 --> 00:13:10,321 - sexyrexy. - Huh? 342 00:13:10,390 --> 00:13:13,024 - "sexyrexy's photos." - "sexyrexy's photos." 343 00:13:13,093 --> 00:13:14,859 Yeah, it looks like most of the pictures 344 00:13:14,928 --> 00:13:16,394 are from this website. 345 00:13:16,463 --> 00:13:17,829 And some of these obviously she has not seen. 346 00:13:17,898 --> 00:13:19,631 Who's sexyrexy? 347 00:13:19,699 --> 00:13:22,433 From Lansing, Michigan. 348 00:13:22,502 --> 00:13:23,735 Interesting. 349 00:13:23,804 --> 00:13:26,070 No mention of Orlando though. 350 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:28,807 I wonder if maybe David stole this guy's picture. 351 00:13:28,875 --> 00:13:30,175 All right. 352 00:13:30,243 --> 00:13:31,843 So we found a hit with one of the photos. 353 00:13:31,912 --> 00:13:35,513 But it all points to this weird sort of online bar 354 00:13:35,582 --> 00:13:37,081 friend finder game. 355 00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:39,250 Doesn't tell us who he is though. 356 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:40,618 Weird. 357 00:13:40,687 --> 00:13:43,121 So we don't know for sure who sexyrexy is. 358 00:13:43,190 --> 00:13:45,089 Let's just see if there's even a David Derringer 359 00:13:45,158 --> 00:13:47,592 who lives in Orlando. 360 00:13:47,661 --> 00:13:49,427 Oh. Okay. 361 00:13:49,496 --> 00:13:52,096 There is one David Derringer, 46, 362 00:13:52,165 --> 00:13:53,998 which is probably around the right age. 363 00:13:54,067 --> 00:13:55,533 Lives in Orlando. 364 00:13:55,602 --> 00:13:57,368 Stonebridge Drive. - Oh, yeah! 365 00:13:57,437 --> 00:13:58,837 - She was like, "I don't remember much. 366 00:13:58,905 --> 00:14:01,272 But I remember he lived on Stonebridge Drive." 367 00:14:01,341 --> 00:14:03,908 - Yeah. - This is probably him. 368 00:14:03,977 --> 00:14:06,211 - That's good. - No phone numbers found, 369 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:08,580 no email address or relatives. - That's not good. 370 00:14:08,648 --> 00:14:10,014 - There's nothing here about him. 371 00:14:10,083 --> 00:14:13,952 But it does confirm there is a David Derringer 372 00:14:14,020 --> 00:14:16,554 who's 46 in Florida. 373 00:14:16,623 --> 00:14:18,356 Okay, well, this is our first... 374 00:14:18,425 --> 00:14:20,758 - This is good. - Good piece of information. 375 00:14:20,827 --> 00:14:23,561 - And he's 46. - Yeah, the right age zone. 376 00:14:23,630 --> 00:14:24,929 Is this who she's talking to? It's gotta be 377 00:14:24,998 --> 00:14:26,231 who she's talking to. - It's the addresses, 378 00:14:26,299 --> 00:14:27,699 it's the name. - So maybe his name 379 00:14:27,767 --> 00:14:29,968 really is David, and he really does live In Florida. 380 00:14:30,036 --> 00:14:31,736 But the pictures of that other guy 381 00:14:31,805 --> 00:14:34,906 were definitely from Lansing, Michigan. 382 00:14:34,975 --> 00:14:36,541 - Yes. 383 00:14:36,610 --> 00:14:40,745 - I guess we could search David Derringer Orlando 384 00:14:40,814 --> 00:14:43,448 and see if there's any pictures or anything. 385 00:14:43,516 --> 00:14:45,216 Whoa, look at this. 386 00:14:45,285 --> 00:14:48,319 David Derringer, a real estate agent. 387 00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,121 - Maybe... - So this could be the guy 388 00:14:50,190 --> 00:14:51,723 Motherwolff's really talking to. 389 00:14:51,791 --> 00:14:53,725 - That would explain, to some extent why he's been 390 00:14:53,793 --> 00:14:55,360 so nervous to possibly meet up with her, 391 00:14:55,428 --> 00:14:57,962 'cause he's been sending pictures of someone else. 392 00:14:58,031 --> 00:14:59,497 This could be what he's been hiding all along. 393 00:15:02,369 --> 00:15:05,236 I mean, 20 years is a long time to lie to someone. 394 00:15:05,305 --> 00:15:07,405 - I'd be upset for sure. 395 00:15:07,474 --> 00:15:09,007 - All right. 396 00:15:11,177 --> 00:15:16,014 Aoooo! - Aoooo! 397 00:15:16,583 --> 00:15:18,383 - Hears us. 398 00:15:18,451 --> 00:15:20,418 - Oh, hi. - Hello. 399 00:15:20,487 --> 00:15:21,886 - Hey, yo. - What's up? 400 00:15:21,955 --> 00:15:22,954 - Come on in. 401 00:15:23,023 --> 00:15:25,590 - Okay, into the wolf den we go. 402 00:15:26,526 --> 00:15:28,893 - I'll let everybody settle in. 403 00:15:28,962 --> 00:15:30,828 And how are you feeling just in general? 404 00:15:30,897 --> 00:15:33,164 - Butterflies. A little nervous. 405 00:15:33,233 --> 00:15:34,599 - All right, well, we're gonna take you through 406 00:15:34,668 --> 00:15:36,567 kind of what we found. - Okay. 407 00:15:36,636 --> 00:15:38,670 - Okay. 408 00:15:38,738 --> 00:15:41,072 So we took the photos that you sent us. 409 00:15:41,141 --> 00:15:43,474 And the first one we searched on this website 410 00:15:43,543 --> 00:15:46,511 that sort of does like a facial recognition scan for-- 411 00:15:46,579 --> 00:15:48,947 - Yeah. - Came back with some hits. 412 00:15:51,651 --> 00:15:55,386 - These are some pictures that you haven't seen. 413 00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:58,222 - Yeah, I haven't seen most of these. 414 00:15:58,291 --> 00:16:00,391 - This is a website called Fubar. 415 00:16:00,460 --> 00:16:03,928 It's like an online Internet bar where people mingle 416 00:16:03,997 --> 00:16:06,230 and meet each other. sexyrexy? 417 00:16:06,299 --> 00:16:08,766 Would that be a name he might give himself? 418 00:16:08,835 --> 00:16:11,102 - Maybe if he was being silly. - Okay. 419 00:16:11,171 --> 00:16:13,771 So there's not a lot on this profile. 420 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,773 The only thing that you can see, though, 421 00:16:15,842 --> 00:16:18,509 is that it says he's male and from Lansing, Michigan. 422 00:16:18,578 --> 00:16:22,380 He's never talked about being from or being in Michigan 423 00:16:22,449 --> 00:16:25,016 while you've known him, right? - No. 424 00:16:25,085 --> 00:16:26,784 - So it looks like the name of the guy in the pictures 425 00:16:26,853 --> 00:16:28,686 might be Rex or Rexy. 426 00:16:28,755 --> 00:16:30,855 Here's where it gets interesting. 427 00:16:30,924 --> 00:16:34,792 When we did a search for David Derringer in Orlando, Florida, 428 00:16:34,861 --> 00:16:36,327 we got a hit. 429 00:16:36,396 --> 00:16:38,963 This guy comes up as living in Orlando. 430 00:16:39,032 --> 00:16:40,965 And look at this. 431 00:16:41,034 --> 00:16:42,533 - [gasps] 432 00:16:42,602 --> 00:16:44,502 That's the address. That was the street. 433 00:16:44,571 --> 00:16:46,237 - Stonebridge Drive, right. Which is what 434 00:16:46,306 --> 00:16:47,438 you had sent to us. - Yes. 435 00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:49,140 - I mean, you sent him stuff, he got it, right? 436 00:16:49,209 --> 00:16:50,508 - Right, yeah. 437 00:16:50,577 --> 00:16:51,943 - So, you know, there's someone there. 438 00:16:52,012 --> 00:16:53,378 But the fact that his name is in fact David Derringer 439 00:16:53,446 --> 00:16:56,047 and his age is what you kind of assumed it was, 440 00:16:56,116 --> 00:16:59,217 those are big things to sort of finally confirm. 441 00:16:59,285 --> 00:17:01,185 But we wanted to see if we could find out 442 00:17:01,254 --> 00:17:03,021 what this guy looked like. 443 00:17:03,089 --> 00:17:06,557 A simple Google search for David Derringer in Orlando... 444 00:17:06,626 --> 00:17:08,226 - Mm-hmm. 445 00:17:08,294 --> 00:17:13,464 - Leads primarily to this real estate agent. 446 00:17:13,533 --> 00:17:14,899 The page is private. 447 00:17:14,968 --> 00:17:17,568 So there's not a lot on here but a picture. 448 00:17:19,139 --> 00:17:21,839 - Wow. 449 00:17:21,908 --> 00:17:27,011 - This could be the person who you're really talking to. 450 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,781 [soft music] 451 00:17:29,849 --> 00:17:33,951 - I don't know what to think. I really don't. 452 00:17:37,123 --> 00:17:39,757 - ♪ Who ♪ 453 00:17:39,826 --> 00:17:43,594 ♪ Are you ♪ 454 00:17:43,663 --> 00:17:45,863 ♪ Who...♪ 455 00:17:45,932 --> 00:17:47,899 - Sometimes, I just think it's time to throw in the towel, 456 00:17:47,967 --> 00:17:51,402 you know, after all this time. 457 00:17:51,471 --> 00:17:54,539 - ♪ Who ♪ 458 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:56,441 ♪ Are you ♪ 459 00:17:56,509 --> 00:17:59,210 - Why has someone got to hide that long? 460 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:02,914 He says he would do anything, well, then it's time 461 00:18:02,982 --> 00:18:06,551 to [bleep] or get off the pot. 462 00:18:06,619 --> 00:18:08,920 Stand up and show yourself. 463 00:18:08,988 --> 00:18:13,224 - ♪ I thought I knew ♪ 464 00:18:13,293 --> 00:18:15,226 ♪ ♪ 465 00:18:15,295 --> 00:18:16,994 - So I think the move then obviously is 466 00:18:17,063 --> 00:18:19,130 that we have to contact him. - Yeah. 467 00:18:19,199 --> 00:18:21,365 - Now it seems the only way we can do that 468 00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:23,367 is through his Facebook page. 469 00:18:23,436 --> 00:18:25,536 - Yeah, 'cause he's on it. He said he never signs out. 470 00:18:25,605 --> 00:18:27,872 - Let's send him a message. Right. 471 00:18:27,941 --> 00:18:31,142 Hey, David. 472 00:18:31,211 --> 00:18:33,444 My name is Nev, and I'm the host of the TV show "Catfish." 473 00:18:33,513 --> 00:18:35,346 I'm actually in Pennsylvania now with Motherwolff 474 00:18:35,415 --> 00:18:37,515 who has told me all about your incredible 475 00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:38,916 20-year-long friendship. 476 00:18:38,985 --> 00:18:41,052 I'd love to speak with you and help you two 477 00:18:41,121 --> 00:18:43,988 finally meet up in person after all these years. 478 00:18:44,057 --> 00:18:45,423 Please give me a call as soon as possible 479 00:18:45,492 --> 00:18:47,291 so we can organize. Great. 480 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:48,826 Send it. 481 00:18:48,895 --> 00:18:50,795 - Boom. 482 00:18:50,864 --> 00:18:52,230 - I almost feel like you...you should 483 00:18:52,298 --> 00:18:53,764 send him another message. - I can do that. 484 00:18:53,833 --> 00:18:56,300 Check your message requests. It's important. 485 00:18:56,369 --> 00:18:57,969 - Okay, that's fine. 486 00:18:58,037 --> 00:18:59,303 - He's on. - Oh, he's typing. 487 00:18:59,372 --> 00:19:00,972 He's typing. - He just saw it. 488 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,474 [phone buzzes] [gasps] 489 00:19:03,543 --> 00:19:06,144 He's calling. - Oh, my God. 490 00:19:06,212 --> 00:19:08,412 - How do you have his...oh, he's calling on Facebook. 491 00:19:08,481 --> 00:19:09,480 Okay. Answer, answer. 492 00:19:09,549 --> 00:19:10,715 Put him on speaker. 493 00:19:10,783 --> 00:19:12,717 Put him on speaker. 494 00:19:12,785 --> 00:19:15,453 - Hey. - Hey. 495 00:19:15,522 --> 00:19:18,189 - Hey. 496 00:19:18,258 --> 00:19:20,458 - Um, hi. 497 00:19:20,527 --> 00:19:22,193 It's so good to hear your voice. 498 00:19:22,262 --> 00:19:24,996 I didn't expect you to call. 499 00:19:25,064 --> 00:19:30,501 Um, I'm sitting here with Nev and the crew from "Catfish." 500 00:19:30,570 --> 00:19:33,304 Um... 501 00:19:33,373 --> 00:19:38,109 They've offered to help us meet up with each other. 502 00:19:52,258 --> 00:19:55,159 - Well, we just seem to keep running into roadblocks 503 00:19:55,228 --> 00:19:58,429 ourselves and just seemed like the way to do it. 504 00:19:58,498 --> 00:20:01,032 I mean, it's been 20 years now. 505 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:02,867 I don't want it to just be something 506 00:20:02,936 --> 00:20:04,402 we talk about anymore. 507 00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:06,737 I want it to be something that we actually do. 508 00:20:13,346 --> 00:20:15,279 And... - I know. 509 00:20:23,256 --> 00:20:25,289 - Hey, David, hey, sorry. 510 00:20:25,358 --> 00:20:27,058 I'm just jumping in real quick. 511 00:20:27,126 --> 00:20:28,426 It's Nev here. 512 00:20:28,494 --> 00:20:30,761 You obviously know Motherwolff very well. 513 00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:34,198 And I'm sure in the 20 years that you guys have talked 514 00:20:34,267 --> 00:20:36,434 and that you've been there for her and you've connected, 515 00:20:36,502 --> 00:20:40,171 you've learned how incredible and supportive 516 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,306 and accepting she is. 517 00:20:42,375 --> 00:20:44,542 Perhaps there is something that maybe she doesn't know 518 00:20:44,611 --> 00:20:47,144 or that you may have told her that wasn't true. 519 00:20:51,017 --> 00:20:52,483 - I totally get that. 520 00:20:52,552 --> 00:20:54,352 So just before we go, last thing-- 521 00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:56,754 you're in Orlando, Florida, right? 522 00:21:03,162 --> 00:21:05,296 - Wow. [Motherwolff sobbing] 523 00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:09,200 - Perhaps there is something that maybe she doesn't know 524 00:21:09,269 --> 00:21:11,502 or that you may have told her that wasn't true. 525 00:21:15,708 --> 00:21:17,174 - I totally get that. 526 00:21:17,243 --> 00:21:19,443 So just before we go, last thing--you're in Orlando, 527 00:21:19,512 --> 00:21:22,013 Florida, right? 528 00:21:27,854 --> 00:21:29,987 - Wow. 529 00:21:30,056 --> 00:21:33,357 [somber music] 530 00:21:33,426 --> 00:21:37,628 ♪ ♪ 531 00:21:37,697 --> 00:21:40,498 - I could tell he was angry when he hung up. 532 00:21:40,566 --> 00:21:43,467 Could hear in his voice. 533 00:21:43,536 --> 00:21:48,005 - ♪ I wish I could get over you ♪ 534 00:21:48,074 --> 00:21:50,708 ♪ And I hate that I can't ♪ 535 00:21:50,777 --> 00:21:54,011 - That's definitely the voice. 536 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,847 - ♪ I'm still haunted by the ghost of you ♪ 537 00:21:56,916 --> 00:21:59,116 - I'm ready to take you down there, 538 00:21:59,185 --> 00:22:01,218 whether he calls us back or not. 539 00:22:03,189 --> 00:22:04,789 We know where he lives. 540 00:22:04,857 --> 00:22:07,458 I guess I can just message him now. 541 00:22:07,527 --> 00:22:09,193 Hey, David. We're gonna fly down 542 00:22:09,262 --> 00:22:10,528 to Orlando tomorrow morning 543 00:22:10,596 --> 00:22:12,630 in the hopes that you agree to meet up with us. 544 00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:15,066 Okay. Sent. 545 00:22:15,134 --> 00:22:17,501 We got some packing to do. We'll meet you at the airport 546 00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:19,170 or we'll pick you up, whatever. 547 00:22:19,238 --> 00:22:20,705 We'll figure it out. - Okay. 548 00:22:20,773 --> 00:22:23,474 - We just have to get down there, force the issue. 549 00:22:23,543 --> 00:22:24,809 ♪ ♪ 550 00:22:24,877 --> 00:22:26,110 - There she is. 551 00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:27,511 - What's up? 552 00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:28,813 Good to see you. 553 00:22:28,881 --> 00:22:31,015 - Have you heard anything from David? 554 00:22:31,084 --> 00:22:33,684 - No. The day of reckoning. 555 00:22:34,654 --> 00:22:36,354 - All right. - This is wild. 556 00:22:36,422 --> 00:22:37,421 - Really ridin' in style. 557 00:22:39,125 --> 00:22:40,891 - ♪ I never needed you ♪ 558 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,094 ♪ In all this time ♪ 559 00:22:43,162 --> 00:22:46,497 - ♪ I never loved you in all this time ♪ 560 00:22:46,566 --> 00:22:49,734 ♪ I never needed you at all ♪ 561 00:22:49,802 --> 00:22:51,402 ♪ ♪ 562 00:22:51,471 --> 00:22:53,170 - We made it. 563 00:22:55,975 --> 00:22:57,541 I mean, we have his address. 564 00:22:57,610 --> 00:22:59,043 Shall we do a little knock, knock? 565 00:22:59,112 --> 00:23:00,845 The only reason I even suggest that is because 566 00:23:00,913 --> 00:23:02,780 you've been waiting 20 years. - Yeah. 567 00:23:02,849 --> 00:23:04,715 - So I say we just go and check it out. 568 00:23:04,784 --> 00:23:06,117 - I agree. 569 00:23:06,185 --> 00:23:08,085 - Here, Dylan, why don't you send a quick message? 570 00:23:08,154 --> 00:23:10,187 - Just want to give you a heads up. 571 00:23:10,256 --> 00:23:12,556 We have an address that we think is yours. 572 00:23:12,625 --> 00:23:15,393 We're going to stop by and hopefully we can meet. 573 00:23:19,465 --> 00:23:21,399 - He just saw my messages. - Oh, yeah? 574 00:23:21,467 --> 00:23:24,235 - And told him, I said, "I don't have any expectations 575 00:23:24,303 --> 00:23:26,937 for you except to finally see you and not 576 00:23:27,006 --> 00:23:28,472 just a name on the screen." 577 00:23:28,541 --> 00:23:32,076 Hasn't said anything, but he's seen it. 578 00:23:32,145 --> 00:23:35,045 [tense music] 579 00:23:35,114 --> 00:23:40,418 ♪ ♪ 580 00:23:40,486 --> 00:23:42,219 - It's just down this road. 581 00:23:42,288 --> 00:23:45,656 [Nev and Motherwolff talking under breath] 582 00:23:45,725 --> 00:23:46,891 - Well, there it is. 583 00:23:46,959 --> 00:23:50,394 [tense music] 584 00:23:50,463 --> 00:23:53,431 - All right, well, hopefully, he's in there. 585 00:23:55,067 --> 00:23:56,400 How are you feeling? 586 00:23:56,469 --> 00:23:58,402 - Whew. 587 00:23:58,471 --> 00:24:00,337 Shaking like a leaf right now. 588 00:24:00,406 --> 00:24:02,973 - Yeah. We don't know what to expect. 589 00:24:03,042 --> 00:24:04,275 - Yeah. - We've seen all kinds of 590 00:24:04,343 --> 00:24:06,143 weird things happen. It could be that real estate 591 00:24:06,212 --> 00:24:08,612 agent whose photos we found. Expect anything. 592 00:24:08,681 --> 00:24:10,347 - Whew... 593 00:24:10,416 --> 00:24:11,916 - Let's do it. 594 00:24:18,257 --> 00:24:20,691 - Just hang here and I'll knock. 595 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,161 [suspenseful music] 596 00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:25,663 ♪ ♪ 597 00:24:25,731 --> 00:24:28,098 - No matter what happens, we're here with you. 598 00:24:28,167 --> 00:24:35,105 ♪ ♪ 599 00:24:35,174 --> 00:24:36,607 - Come on, David. 600 00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:39,977 There's a light on, but... 601 00:24:40,046 --> 00:24:41,879 Oh! Jesus. 602 00:24:43,583 --> 00:24:44,882 - Hello. 603 00:24:44,951 --> 00:24:46,484 - Oh, my God. 604 00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:50,421 - I mean, I...there's a light on, but... 605 00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:53,424 [suspenseful music] 606 00:24:53,493 --> 00:24:56,527 ♪ ♪ 607 00:24:56,596 --> 00:24:58,262 Oh! Jesus. 608 00:25:01,968 --> 00:25:03,667 Hello. 609 00:25:03,736 --> 00:25:05,135 - Hey. 610 00:25:05,204 --> 00:25:06,504 - Hi. 611 00:25:06,572 --> 00:25:08,339 How you doing? - I'm all right. 612 00:25:08,407 --> 00:25:10,140 - Nev. - David. 613 00:25:10,209 --> 00:25:12,443 - David. All right. Nice to meet you. 614 00:25:13,412 --> 00:25:19,016 [quiet music] 615 00:25:19,085 --> 00:25:20,017 - Hi. 616 00:25:20,086 --> 00:25:21,418 - Hey. 617 00:25:21,487 --> 00:25:26,824 - This is June, or Motherwolff, as you know her. 618 00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:29,193 - So how are you? 619 00:25:29,262 --> 00:25:31,929 - I'm good. How are you? 620 00:25:31,998 --> 00:25:34,031 - I'm good. 621 00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:40,337 ♪ ♪ 622 00:25:40,406 --> 00:25:42,773 I don't know what to say. I'm so... 623 00:25:42,842 --> 00:25:45,943 This has been a long time coming. 624 00:25:46,012 --> 00:25:49,313 But I'm here, so... 625 00:25:49,382 --> 00:25:51,949 - Well, you look really nice. 626 00:25:52,018 --> 00:25:54,118 - Thank you. - Yeah. 627 00:25:54,186 --> 00:25:57,154 - You don't look so bad yourself...ha ha. 628 00:26:01,527 --> 00:26:06,030 - You guys mind if we just jump in for a minute? 629 00:26:06,098 --> 00:26:07,965 - Yeah, go right ahead. 630 00:26:08,034 --> 00:26:11,068 - Clearly, you're not the person in the photos 631 00:26:11,137 --> 00:26:12,136 that you sent. 632 00:26:12,204 --> 00:26:14,705 Right? - Yeah, yeah, I know. 633 00:26:14,774 --> 00:26:19,543 - Is that essentially what's been keeping you... 634 00:26:19,612 --> 00:26:22,546 from showing your true self all these years 635 00:26:22,615 --> 00:26:23,981 and meeting up? 636 00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:25,516 - Yeah, I guess so. 637 00:26:25,585 --> 00:26:27,685 - And it's been you and only you talking 638 00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:28,852 to her this whole time, right? 639 00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:30,254 - Yeah. 640 00:26:30,323 --> 00:26:33,524 - Well, now that the "cat's out of the bag," 641 00:26:33,593 --> 00:26:37,895 do you feel more comfortable with the idea of us finally 642 00:26:37,964 --> 00:26:39,597 bringing you two together? 643 00:26:39,665 --> 00:26:43,734 - I mean, I'm glad you're here, you know? 644 00:26:43,803 --> 00:26:47,071 I've always wanted to, like, meet up with you, 645 00:26:47,139 --> 00:26:48,539 all right? - Mm-hmm. 646 00:26:48,608 --> 00:26:50,107 - 'Cause you know you always have my heart. 647 00:26:50,176 --> 00:26:52,376 - Yeah, same here. - Yeah. 648 00:26:52,445 --> 00:26:54,912 - Why have you been so elusive? 649 00:26:54,981 --> 00:26:57,548 I mean, you're not the person in the photos. 650 00:26:57,617 --> 00:27:00,250 But surely, you have a phone, right? 651 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,721 - Um, I really don't use my phone like that. 652 00:27:03,789 --> 00:27:07,191 - Forgive me for asking some kind of 653 00:27:07,259 --> 00:27:09,193 standard questions here. 654 00:27:09,261 --> 00:27:11,295 But are you in a relationship? 655 00:27:11,364 --> 00:27:13,831 - No, no. - Okay. 656 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,900 Well, I guess the question I have is, 657 00:27:16,969 --> 00:27:19,937 I understand, years and years ago, 658 00:27:20,006 --> 00:27:22,039 you sent her a picture that wasn't you. 659 00:27:22,108 --> 00:27:23,707 - Yeah. - But has there been 660 00:27:23,776 --> 00:27:26,577 any other meaningful information 661 00:27:26,646 --> 00:27:29,079 that you feel you were keeping from her 662 00:27:29,148 --> 00:27:30,748 or that you never shared with her? 663 00:27:30,816 --> 00:27:32,750 That you lied about? 664 00:27:32,818 --> 00:27:34,118 - Um... 665 00:27:34,186 --> 00:27:36,687 - June, would you prefer a seat? 666 00:27:37,757 --> 00:27:39,623 - I mean, there's a lot. 667 00:27:39,692 --> 00:27:43,460 [heavy music] 668 00:27:43,529 --> 00:27:48,298 Before I tell you, just... 669 00:27:48,367 --> 00:27:51,235 just know that everything I said was...was the truth, 670 00:27:51,303 --> 00:27:52,469 okay? - Okay. 671 00:27:52,538 --> 00:27:54,238 - Always, always love you. 672 00:27:54,306 --> 00:27:55,472 [music escalates] 673 00:27:55,541 --> 00:27:57,608 But... 674 00:27:58,744 --> 00:27:59,810 - Okay. 675 00:27:59,879 --> 00:28:02,946 - David was someone I just made up. 676 00:28:04,183 --> 00:28:05,949 But when... 677 00:28:06,018 --> 00:28:09,820 when I am David, I mean every word I say. 678 00:28:09,889 --> 00:28:13,290 Actually, I'm Denise... 679 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,192 [in a woman's voice] And I just basically 680 00:28:15,261 --> 00:28:17,928 roleplay David. 681 00:28:17,997 --> 00:28:20,964 [soft, dramatic music] 682 00:28:21,033 --> 00:28:24,735 ♪ ♪ 683 00:28:24,804 --> 00:28:26,704 - Okay, so let me get this straight. 684 00:28:26,772 --> 00:28:31,341 So in all of your conversations and communication with June, 685 00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:34,044 you were playing the David character. 686 00:28:34,113 --> 00:28:35,579 - Yeah. 687 00:28:37,883 --> 00:28:42,453 - So in your day-to-day life, people know you as Denise? 688 00:28:42,521 --> 00:28:43,887 - Yeah. 689 00:28:43,956 --> 00:28:46,824 But let me tell you something. 690 00:28:46,892 --> 00:28:49,293 David loves June 100%. 691 00:28:49,361 --> 00:28:53,363 And when I'm portraying David, 692 00:28:53,432 --> 00:28:55,632 okay, I become David. 693 00:28:55,701 --> 00:28:56,900 - I know. 694 00:28:56,969 --> 00:28:58,368 - So when I play David... 695 00:28:58,437 --> 00:29:00,704 [in a man's voice] He loves you. 696 00:29:00,773 --> 00:29:02,506 Okay? 697 00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:08,212 - So then, as Denise, do you have any interest 698 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,047 in a relationship with Motherwolff? 699 00:29:10,116 --> 00:29:13,717 Or is that exclusive to your character of David? 700 00:29:13,786 --> 00:29:15,252 - It's just with David. 701 00:29:15,321 --> 00:29:17,688 - So in your in your day-to-day life as Denise, 702 00:29:17,757 --> 00:29:20,224 you don't imagine your friendship and relationship? 703 00:29:20,292 --> 00:29:21,558 - No. - No. 704 00:29:21,627 --> 00:29:22,659 Okay. 705 00:29:22,728 --> 00:29:24,595 I mean, it's definitely weird. 706 00:29:24,663 --> 00:29:27,397 This is a first for us that someone would be 707 00:29:27,466 --> 00:29:30,467 talking to someone who has 708 00:29:30,536 --> 00:29:32,770 essentially sort of two versions of themself. 709 00:29:32,838 --> 00:29:34,171 - Right. 710 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,840 Because when I play David, I become David. 711 00:29:39,211 --> 00:29:40,911 [in a woman's voice] And then when I'm Denise, 712 00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:44,581 then I'm totally completely opposite. 713 00:29:44,650 --> 00:29:46,583 You know, when I'm with Denise, 714 00:29:46,652 --> 00:29:49,019 I don't like women, I don't--I dress-- 715 00:29:49,088 --> 00:29:50,687 I do not dress like this. 716 00:29:50,756 --> 00:29:52,422 - Got it. 717 00:29:52,491 --> 00:29:54,424 [in a man's voice] - Only David does. 718 00:29:54,493 --> 00:29:56,226 [in a woman's voice] And Dave's a good guy. 719 00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:58,695 He really is. - Yeah, yeah, he definitely is. 720 00:29:58,764 --> 00:29:59,930 - He's a good guy, and he loves you. 721 00:29:59,999 --> 00:30:01,398 - Definitely is. - He completely loves you. 722 00:30:01,467 --> 00:30:03,066 - Well, Dave may be a good guy, 723 00:30:03,135 --> 00:30:04,334 and I believe that, 724 00:30:04,403 --> 00:30:07,638 But he's been not totally honest 725 00:30:07,706 --> 00:30:11,575 and sort of led her on for a long time. 726 00:30:11,644 --> 00:30:12,643 - Right. 727 00:30:12,711 --> 00:30:13,911 - Well, here's a weird question. 728 00:30:13,979 --> 00:30:15,312 - Yeah. 729 00:30:15,381 --> 00:30:17,080 - As David, you are attracted to women. 730 00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:18,615 - Yeah. 731 00:30:18,684 --> 00:30:21,251 - And when you're David, and you're talking to June, 732 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,886 do you feel a sexual desire? 733 00:30:22,955 --> 00:30:24,488 - Yeah, as Dave. 734 00:30:24,557 --> 00:30:28,425 - So is there any interest from David 735 00:30:28,494 --> 00:30:33,597 to pursue any kind of romantic relationship with June? 736 00:30:33,666 --> 00:30:35,065 - Of course. 737 00:30:35,134 --> 00:30:37,401 - Oh, there is. Okay. - 20 years in the making. 738 00:30:37,469 --> 00:30:38,468 Yeah. - Yeah. 739 00:30:38,537 --> 00:30:39,603 - You know? 740 00:30:39,672 --> 00:30:42,072 I mean, look at her, she's beautiful. 741 00:30:42,141 --> 00:30:46,977 - Okay, well, obviously, June, though, taking this all 742 00:30:47,046 --> 00:30:48,979 like a champ... - Yeah. 743 00:30:49,048 --> 00:30:52,583 - I'm sure must be feeling a lot of things. 744 00:30:52,651 --> 00:30:53,784 I know I am. 745 00:30:53,853 --> 00:30:54,985 But it's been a long day of travel. 746 00:30:55,054 --> 00:30:56,119 - Mm-hmm. 747 00:30:56,188 --> 00:30:57,754 - This is just a lot to take in. 748 00:30:57,823 --> 00:30:59,223 - Mm-hmm. - So I think that now 749 00:30:59,291 --> 00:31:00,858 that the secrets are out in the open, 750 00:31:00,926 --> 00:31:03,961 why don't we plan on meeting back up tomorrow 751 00:31:04,029 --> 00:31:06,830 so you guys can talk more and finally kinda... 752 00:31:06,899 --> 00:31:08,432 - All right. That sounds like a plan. 753 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:10,367 - Yeah. - Yeah, I'd like that. 754 00:31:10,436 --> 00:31:11,869 - Yeah, I'd like that too. 755 00:31:11,937 --> 00:31:14,504 - No matter what happens with you guys, going forward, 756 00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:16,473 honesty and communication is always 757 00:31:16,542 --> 00:31:17,875 the most important thing. 758 00:31:17,943 --> 00:31:21,979 - Okay, well, lovely meeting both of you. 759 00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:23,513 - Nice meeting you too. 760 00:31:23,582 --> 00:31:24,581 - Yes. 761 00:31:24,650 --> 00:31:25,649 - It's real nice to meet you, David. 762 00:31:25,718 --> 00:31:26,884 - Nice to meet you too. 763 00:31:26,952 --> 00:31:28,552 - I'm glad you guys got to meet up. 764 00:31:28,621 --> 00:31:30,020 - All right. 765 00:31:31,557 --> 00:31:33,490 - Well, I didn't see that coming. 766 00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:35,592 - What are we to make of all that? 767 00:31:35,661 --> 00:31:38,996 - I mean, the Denise thing, that...that's shocking. 768 00:31:39,064 --> 00:31:40,697 - What do you think this means, like, 769 00:31:40,766 --> 00:31:42,299 romantically for you guys? 770 00:31:42,368 --> 00:31:44,268 - Physically, do you find David attractive? 771 00:31:46,605 --> 00:31:48,739 - Male persona, female persona. 772 00:31:48,807 --> 00:31:50,040 That doesn't bother me. 773 00:31:50,109 --> 00:31:53,210 But with Denise not being into girls, 774 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:54,845 that's going to keep it on... 775 00:31:54,914 --> 00:31:56,647 - Right. - The downside with that. 776 00:31:56,715 --> 00:32:00,817 - Sounds like Denise is the primary personality 777 00:32:00,886 --> 00:32:03,587 and David is a secondary. 778 00:32:03,656 --> 00:32:06,156 Does that mean that there's enough David for you 779 00:32:06,225 --> 00:32:08,058 to have a relationship with? You know what I mean? 780 00:32:08,127 --> 00:32:10,160 Like, are you willing to have a relationship 781 00:32:10,229 --> 00:32:13,897 with part of someone 782 00:32:13,966 --> 00:32:15,666 but not the whole someone? 783 00:32:15,734 --> 00:32:17,234 - Exactly. 784 00:32:17,303 --> 00:32:19,870 I got a lot to run through my head tonight. 785 00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:22,472 - Hello. - Good morning. 786 00:32:22,541 --> 00:32:24,708 - Good morning. - Join me on the couch. 787 00:32:24,777 --> 00:32:25,876 - Sounds good. 788 00:32:30,082 --> 00:32:31,315 My mind's going all night. 789 00:32:31,383 --> 00:32:34,618 So there's a lot of unanswered questions I have. 790 00:32:34,687 --> 00:32:37,054 Yesterday, I just didn't want to react. 791 00:32:37,122 --> 00:32:41,291 I'd rather stop, think, and then take action. 792 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,162 And I have a couple ideas of things I want to ask. 793 00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:50,367 One of them is, who's most dominant, Denise or David? 794 00:32:50,436 --> 00:32:53,170 And I want to know what Denise thinks of me 795 00:32:53,238 --> 00:32:55,172 on a personal level, 'cause I've obviously 796 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,807 been around 20 years. 797 00:32:56,875 --> 00:32:58,475 - All right, well, it sounds like you've got a lot to say. 798 00:32:58,544 --> 00:33:00,077 - Yeah. - All right. 799 00:33:00,145 --> 00:33:02,512 - Let's rock and roll. - Let's do it. 800 00:33:03,515 --> 00:33:08,018 - I just feel like there's some other surprise waiting. 801 00:33:08,087 --> 00:33:10,053 - Okay. - Well, here we go. 802 00:33:10,122 --> 00:33:11,388 - Let's do it. 803 00:33:15,894 --> 00:33:17,561 - [female voice] Hi. - Hi. 804 00:33:17,629 --> 00:33:19,396 - Come on in. - All right. 805 00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:23,166 - Is this Denise? - Yeah. 806 00:33:23,235 --> 00:33:25,068 - Nice to see you again. - Nice to see you again. 807 00:33:25,137 --> 00:33:28,772 - Good to see you. - Ah, all right. 808 00:33:28,841 --> 00:33:30,407 How's everyone feeling? 809 00:33:30,476 --> 00:33:32,042 - All right. 810 00:33:32,111 --> 00:33:33,844 - I love the hair. - Thank you. 811 00:33:33,912 --> 00:33:35,712 - This is generally the vibe with Denise? 812 00:33:35,781 --> 00:33:40,183 - Mm-hmm. - Well, got a lot of questions. 813 00:33:40,252 --> 00:33:42,419 But I just want to make sure that I'm clear on everything 814 00:33:42,488 --> 00:33:43,920 that you told us yesterday. 815 00:33:43,989 --> 00:33:47,024 When you think about yourself as Denise, 816 00:33:47,092 --> 00:33:49,626 that is who you are. - Right. That's who I am. 817 00:33:49,695 --> 00:33:51,862 - That's your authentic true self? 818 00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:52,929 - Right. 819 00:33:52,998 --> 00:33:54,297 - When you think about David, 820 00:33:54,366 --> 00:33:55,732 so you think of David as a character 821 00:33:55,801 --> 00:33:57,300 that you created that represents 822 00:33:57,369 --> 00:33:59,569 perhaps some of your feelings and interests? 823 00:33:59,638 --> 00:34:02,139 - I mean, David is a character all his own. 824 00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:05,308 I mean, when...it's like playing a part in a movie. 825 00:34:05,377 --> 00:34:08,078 You become the person that you're portraying. 826 00:34:08,147 --> 00:34:12,416 So when I roleplay as being David, I became David. 827 00:34:12,484 --> 00:34:18,422 - Sure, but when you're David, do you love June and as David 828 00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:22,292 or do you feel that across Denise? 829 00:34:22,361 --> 00:34:26,797 - As Denise, I'm not attracted to women at all. 830 00:34:26,865 --> 00:34:28,832 - Okay, while we're clearing things up, 831 00:34:28,901 --> 00:34:31,935 there is a David who lives at this address. 832 00:34:32,004 --> 00:34:34,604 And so we were wondering, did you register at this address 833 00:34:34,673 --> 00:34:37,274 to David in the past? - Yes. 834 00:34:37,342 --> 00:34:39,676 - And when you started portraying David, when you 835 00:34:39,745 --> 00:34:42,079 came up with the idea for the character of David, 836 00:34:42,147 --> 00:34:45,615 what was kind of your beginning interest in doing that? 837 00:34:45,684 --> 00:34:47,017 What was the draw? 838 00:34:47,086 --> 00:34:50,821 - Well, I started as, um, the AOL chat rooms, 839 00:34:50,889 --> 00:34:52,823 and you're pretty much anonymous, 840 00:34:52,891 --> 00:34:55,592 but I kept getting, like, instant messages from all 841 00:34:55,661 --> 00:34:58,428 these men that wanted, like, pictures 842 00:34:58,497 --> 00:35:00,163 and they wanted to send me pictures. 843 00:35:00,232 --> 00:35:01,598 And that's not what I wanted to do. 844 00:35:01,667 --> 00:35:07,537 So I put as my ASL, male, and those instant 845 00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:09,506 messages stopped. 846 00:35:09,575 --> 00:35:11,608 - Right. - That's how David was born. 847 00:35:11,677 --> 00:35:14,044 And that's why I created him. 848 00:35:14,113 --> 00:35:18,148 - And so you didn't create the character because you were 849 00:35:18,217 --> 00:35:19,950 looking to roleplay as a man? 850 00:35:20,018 --> 00:35:21,551 - Right. 851 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:24,020 - You weren't trying to explore gender fluidity for yourself? 852 00:35:24,089 --> 00:35:25,422 - Exactly. 853 00:35:25,491 --> 00:35:29,793 My gender identity as Denise is I'm female. 854 00:35:29,862 --> 00:35:31,161 And I like men. 855 00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:33,063 - And so what does that mean for David? 856 00:35:33,132 --> 00:35:35,632 - I don't know. - Is David dying off? 857 00:35:35,701 --> 00:35:40,470 - I mean, I don't see the sense in keeping him. 858 00:35:40,539 --> 00:35:42,672 - What about June? 859 00:35:42,741 --> 00:35:45,542 I mean, yesterday, you know, you were saying 860 00:35:45,611 --> 00:35:47,244 that David loves...I mean... 861 00:35:47,312 --> 00:35:49,212 - I mean, that... that part is true. 862 00:35:49,281 --> 00:35:51,781 David loves June. Always has. 863 00:35:51,850 --> 00:35:54,217 - But not enough to keep David forever. 864 00:35:54,286 --> 00:35:56,820 - I wouldn't want that anyways. 865 00:35:56,889 --> 00:36:00,090 If it's not real, I don't want it. 866 00:36:02,794 --> 00:36:05,862 Even though I know David was made up, 867 00:36:05,931 --> 00:36:08,732 it's like losing a friend of 20 years, 868 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,301 that even though it's not a real person, 869 00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:16,106 it feels like it is, you know? 870 00:36:16,175 --> 00:36:19,843 Bigger part of me wants to say thank you for the support 871 00:36:19,912 --> 00:36:21,378 over the years. 872 00:36:21,446 --> 00:36:24,114 The other part says, "I'll see you in hell." 873 00:36:24,183 --> 00:36:26,850 - I mean, I am sorry. 874 00:36:26,919 --> 00:36:31,688 I mean, it was...it was never my intention to hurt you. 875 00:36:31,757 --> 00:36:33,924 - Whoops. 876 00:36:36,595 --> 00:36:37,961 - I don't think that... 877 00:36:38,030 --> 00:36:40,931 I don't think that's a good enough apology. 878 00:36:40,999 --> 00:36:44,034 - Why didn't he just let me go? 879 00:36:44,102 --> 00:36:46,269 Why didn't he just let me go? 880 00:36:48,941 --> 00:36:52,642 - Do you ever feel like you're a character 881 00:36:52,711 --> 00:36:54,211 that you've created? 882 00:36:54,279 --> 00:36:56,479 - I know...I mean, I know who I am. 883 00:36:56,548 --> 00:36:59,049 And I'm aware that, you know, all 884 00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:00,951 these characters that I will play, 885 00:37:01,019 --> 00:37:02,886 I know that they're all made up. 886 00:37:02,955 --> 00:37:04,421 I create them all. 887 00:37:04,489 --> 00:37:05,822 - Characters, plural? 888 00:37:05,891 --> 00:37:08,558 So you've been other people besides David? 889 00:37:08,627 --> 00:37:13,063 - So, um, I wasn't really honest about something. 890 00:37:15,534 --> 00:37:19,402 With Deedee, um... 891 00:37:19,471 --> 00:37:22,005 I created her. 892 00:37:22,074 --> 00:37:25,475 And when you spoke on the phone, that was also me. 893 00:37:26,912 --> 00:37:28,945 None of that was true. 894 00:37:29,014 --> 00:37:32,115 - This voice change, it seriously sounded like 895 00:37:32,184 --> 00:37:34,284 two different people. 896 00:37:34,353 --> 00:37:36,953 - Well, that's 20 years of, you know... 897 00:37:37,022 --> 00:37:39,756 - Yeah. Of practice. [sniffles] 898 00:37:39,825 --> 00:37:42,859 - Are there any other characters or... 899 00:37:42,928 --> 00:37:46,696 - I mean, over the years, I've created so many characters, 900 00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:48,098 not just David. 901 00:37:48,166 --> 00:37:52,535 But there was, um, Leo, and Simon, and Gavin, 902 00:37:52,604 --> 00:37:54,738 and Denise, and Markese... 903 00:37:54,806 --> 00:37:56,273 - Wait, wait, wait. Hold on a second. 904 00:37:56,341 --> 00:37:59,175 Are you saying that Denise, who we are talking to 905 00:37:59,244 --> 00:38:03,346 is a character? You are in a role right now? 906 00:38:03,415 --> 00:38:04,514 - Right. 907 00:38:04,583 --> 00:38:07,684 - So your legal name is not Denise. 908 00:38:07,753 --> 00:38:09,019 - Right. 909 00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:13,223 - So then what is your name? 910 00:38:13,292 --> 00:38:15,725 - That's, uh... - Okay, that's fine. 911 00:38:15,794 --> 00:38:17,894 You don't have to say anything, but I'm...I'm putting 912 00:38:17,963 --> 00:38:19,229 it out there, just for your sake. 913 00:38:19,298 --> 00:38:21,364 I just want to make sure you know 914 00:38:21,433 --> 00:38:24,701 that Denise is also a roleplay character 915 00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:29,339 of whoever's underneath Denise. 916 00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:33,877 - Whew. [bleep]. 917 00:38:38,116 --> 00:38:39,482 - Sorry. I'm having a... 918 00:38:39,551 --> 00:38:41,484 hard time right now. 919 00:38:41,553 --> 00:38:44,054 June just poured her heart out, 920 00:38:44,122 --> 00:38:47,290 explaining how devastating this experience has been 921 00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:51,294 to find out that David hasn't been real this whole time. 922 00:38:51,363 --> 00:38:54,764 This is 20 years of an adult relationship with a woman 923 00:38:54,833 --> 00:38:56,132 who has been nothing but... - Wow. 924 00:38:56,201 --> 00:38:58,935 - Nice and kind to you, 925 00:38:59,004 --> 00:39:00,337 and she went to all this trouble 926 00:39:00,405 --> 00:39:01,771 to come down here to get the truth 927 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,474 and you've told her almost nothing true 928 00:39:04,543 --> 00:39:07,644 because you've been talking to us as Denise. 929 00:39:10,782 --> 00:39:14,284 Well, it sounds to me like this is it. 930 00:39:14,353 --> 00:39:15,752 - Yeah. An ending of the chapter 931 00:39:15,821 --> 00:39:17,120 and closing a book. - Yes. 932 00:39:17,189 --> 00:39:19,422 - Right. - Okay. 933 00:39:19,491 --> 00:39:22,692 ["Wicked Love" by Naomi August playing] 934 00:39:22,761 --> 00:39:24,427 - You take care. 935 00:39:24,496 --> 00:39:26,696 - ♪ And I despise ♪ 936 00:39:26,765 --> 00:39:29,899 ♪ Your wicked love ♪ 937 00:39:29,968 --> 00:39:31,534 - How you doing? 938 00:39:31,603 --> 00:39:32,869 - Feel empty. 939 00:39:32,938 --> 00:39:35,138 You know, it really sucks. 940 00:39:35,207 --> 00:39:37,874 I'm hollow inside right now. 941 00:39:37,943 --> 00:39:41,044 - Everything that you did came from a place of love. 942 00:39:41,113 --> 00:39:42,879 You didn't do anything wrong. 943 00:39:44,249 --> 00:39:46,716 - Thank you for that. 944 00:39:46,785 --> 00:39:49,853 Well, whoever she is, may she find peace within herself. 945 00:39:49,921 --> 00:39:52,856 - ♪ Your ♪ 946 00:39:52,924 --> 00:39:55,658 ♪ Your wicked love ♪ 947 00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:56,860 - Hey. - Hi. 948 00:39:56,928 --> 00:39:58,027 - How you doing? - Hey, yo. 949 00:39:58,096 --> 00:40:00,196 - What's been going on since we filmed? 950 00:40:00,265 --> 00:40:03,266 Have you and David been in touch? 951 00:40:03,335 --> 00:40:05,235 - Yes. - Ah. 952 00:40:05,303 --> 00:40:08,171 And...and you're in touch with David not Denise? 953 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,173 - Right. When I left there, 954 00:40:10,242 --> 00:40:13,176 I had a lot of things I had to process, and I went to bed. 955 00:40:13,245 --> 00:40:15,812 And when I woke up in the morning, got a phone call. 956 00:40:15,881 --> 00:40:17,814 - Wow. 957 00:40:17,883 --> 00:40:19,916 - So we talked--we talked for quite a while. 958 00:40:19,985 --> 00:40:23,686 And he told me that when he saw me walk out that door, 959 00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:25,522 it was too much to take. 960 00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:29,058 And we've been talking every day since. 961 00:40:29,127 --> 00:40:30,393 - I'm just confused. 962 00:40:30,462 --> 00:40:32,395 The last thing I remember "David" saying 963 00:40:32,464 --> 00:40:35,698 was that he sort of was done with the David character. 964 00:40:35,767 --> 00:40:38,735 - Now, you know, he says he's David foremost, 965 00:40:38,804 --> 00:40:41,704 there's a lot that we are working on together. 966 00:40:41,773 --> 00:40:44,107 Things don't progress as we discuss it, 967 00:40:44,176 --> 00:40:47,110 then well, you know, I know right where the door is. 968 00:40:47,179 --> 00:40:48,912 - I'm excited. But I'm also a little wary. 969 00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:51,848 But you seem like you're at a good sort of place 970 00:40:51,917 --> 00:40:54,584 with all of this, and you know what you're getting yourself 971 00:40:54,653 --> 00:40:56,052 into now moving forward. - Exactly. 972 00:40:56,121 --> 00:40:57,287 - Good luck with everything and hope things 973 00:40:57,355 --> 00:40:58,588 work out the way you want them to. 974 00:40:58,657 --> 00:41:01,191 - Yes. It was a real pleasure meeting you guys. 975 00:41:01,259 --> 00:41:02,225 - Yeah. - We'll talk soon. 976 00:41:02,294 --> 00:41:03,393 - All right. - Good luck. 977 00:41:03,462 --> 00:41:04,561 - All right. - Bye. 978 00:41:04,629 --> 00:41:05,662 - Hey. - Hey, David. 979 00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:06,996 Good to see you. 980 00:41:07,065 --> 00:41:08,298 - Yeah, good seeing you too. 981 00:41:08,366 --> 00:41:09,732 - We just got off with Motherwolff 982 00:41:09,801 --> 00:41:12,235 and heard some unexpected but, I think, 983 00:41:12,304 --> 00:41:13,636 good news about you guys. 984 00:41:13,705 --> 00:41:15,805 - Yeah, well, we started talking. 985 00:41:15,874 --> 00:41:17,740 And we are officially a couple now, 986 00:41:17,809 --> 00:41:19,642 online as well as offline. 987 00:41:19,711 --> 00:41:21,144 - Whoa. Okay. 988 00:41:21,213 --> 00:41:23,313 So does that mean that you plan on becoming 989 00:41:23,381 --> 00:41:27,150 or identifying as David in a more permanent way? 990 00:41:27,219 --> 00:41:29,018 - Oh, yeah, definitely. 991 00:41:29,087 --> 00:41:30,820 That means I get to spend the rest of my life with her, 992 00:41:30,889 --> 00:41:32,555 I'm going to do that. - Wow. 993 00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:37,227 - So yeah, what do you think inspired that change? 994 00:41:37,295 --> 00:41:40,797 - I mean, basically, we really love each other and meeting 995 00:41:40,866 --> 00:41:43,900 face to face after 20 years, I think it just 996 00:41:43,969 --> 00:41:46,402 made our bond much stronger. 997 00:41:46,471 --> 00:41:50,673 - So what started out as a roleplay character became much 998 00:41:50,742 --> 00:41:52,775 more than that, that you actually want 999 00:41:52,844 --> 00:41:55,245 to live your life as a man. 1000 00:41:55,313 --> 00:41:56,980 - Yeah, exactly. - Nice. 1001 00:41:57,048 --> 00:41:58,948 - Wow. - As long as I can live 1002 00:41:59,017 --> 00:42:02,418 my life with June, yeah, definitely. 1003 00:42:02,487 --> 00:42:03,720 - That's awesome. 1004 00:42:03,788 --> 00:42:05,755 - Yeah, I did not... I mean, I really 1005 00:42:05,824 --> 00:42:08,124 didn't expect to hear this. 1006 00:42:08,193 --> 00:42:09,492 But I'm very happy for you guys. 1007 00:42:09,561 --> 00:42:11,494 - Well, it was kind of an unexpected for me too. 1008 00:42:11,563 --> 00:42:12,795 - I'm really happy you guys were 1009 00:42:12,864 --> 00:42:14,631 able to get to the truth of it all 1010 00:42:14,699 --> 00:42:16,432 and evolve it into something that sounds better. 1011 00:42:16,501 --> 00:42:17,667 - Yeah, exactly. - Hell, yeah. 1012 00:42:17,736 --> 00:42:18,768 - Good talking to you. 1013 00:42:18,837 --> 00:42:20,169 - Thank you, David. - Bye. 1014 00:42:22,507 --> 00:42:23,840 - CJ and I decided to have a kid. 1015 00:42:23,909 --> 00:42:26,643 I had to screen the guy. She knew when I ovulated. 1016 00:42:26,711 --> 00:42:28,444 She would be like, "You need to meet up with him," 1017 00:42:28,513 --> 00:42:30,547 and I would be like, "I don't want to meet up with him." 1018 00:42:30,615 --> 00:42:32,415 - Honestly, this sounds like a horror movie. 1019 00:42:32,484 --> 00:42:33,483 Oh! - Holy [bleep]. 1020 00:42:33,552 --> 00:42:35,952 - That's her. - So creepy. 1021 00:42:36,021 --> 00:42:39,188 - Who knows what we're getting ourselves into. 1022 00:42:39,257 --> 00:42:40,356 - CJ?