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20 years, they've been talking.
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- This is someone that's
miles and miles away.
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And it's like if
I needed something,
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I can just pick up
the phone and call him.
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He's my constant.
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- Hey David, its Nev here.
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I'm ready to take you
down there,
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whether he
calls us back or not.
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- No matter what happens,
we're here with you.
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- Come on, David.
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- There's a light on, but...
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oh, Jesus.
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Hello.
- Oh, my God.
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- All right, well, sadly, we
don't have Kamie on this ep.
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But we have a very
cool guest co-host,
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and he's just inside that door.
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Great guy, great actor...
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Dylan Sprayberry.
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Dylan.
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- Oh, my God, Nev.
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Nice to meet you.
- Hey, good to see you.
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Dylan is literally Superman,
or at least
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he was when he played young
Clark Kent in "Man of Steel."
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And his career has only flown
to new heights from there.
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He achieved full-blown
teen heartthrob status
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when he starred in MTV's
"Teen Wolf."
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And he's now reprising
that role
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in the upcoming
"Teen Wolf" movie.
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What's up, buddy?
- Come on in.
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- All right,
so welcome to the show.
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- Thank you.
I'm excited for this.
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- Nice to have you back on MTV.
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- It's been a long time.
- Right, yeah, that's right.
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Also, I have to say, this is
a real special moment for me
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because it might be
one of the only times
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someone on the show has had
as much or more chest hair
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than I do.
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I should have been
on "Teen Wolf."
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- You could have
been on "Teen Wolf."
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They wouldn't have had
to do too many effects.
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- Right.
- Oh, God.
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- Oh, come on.
- Dude.
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- Anyway, all right.
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So let's get into it.
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- Let's do it.
- Got an email here.
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Subject of the email is
"20 years of longing."
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And it's from Motherwolff, PA.
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Which I assume is Pennsylvania.
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But is Motherwolff
a place or a person?
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- That's my mom.
- Oh, my God.
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Wait a second.
- That's my mother.
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- Is there a mother
character in "Teen Wolf"?
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Okay.
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Hello, my name is June.
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But I go by Motherwolff.
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I'm a 53-year-old
freelance dog sitter.
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I have five kids
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and nine grandkids.
- Damn!
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- And I've been in an on again,
off again online relationship
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with a man named David.
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- ♪ I know we would manage
if we just tried ♪
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- He's in Orlando, and
I'm in York, Pennsylvania.
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I met him 20 years ago
in an AOL chat room
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where he went as Warlock.
- Oh, wow.
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- ♪ We can write
our own story ♪
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♪ We can make our own glory ♪
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- He was comforting and kind.
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But when I first heard his
voice, it drove me wild.
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It's deep and husky.
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- Oh!
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- It's still gives me
chills down my spine.
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Over the years, even when we
began to become more distant
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and contact wouldn't happen
for months at a time,
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he would send a message
and we would catch up
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with how our lives were going.
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- ♪ I've got a friend
in you...♪
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- He became so much a part of
my daughter's and my life
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even from far away.
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He was there for me
through many hard times
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and my evolution from
solitary witch to satanist.
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Wow, this is fascinating.
- This is juicy.
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- He always seemed to feel me
and hear me as I would speak
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his name on the night winds.
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[voice whispers] David...
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Over these 20 years,
there was constantly
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talk of meeting in person.
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For one reason or another,
it hasn't happened.
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Now more than ever, I want him.
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I need him.
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Could you please
finally help me
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put a solid face and presence
to someone I've cared
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deeply about for so long?
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Sincerely,
June AKA Motherwolff."
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- That's heavy, man.
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- Wow, 20 years.
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All right.
Well, we gotta call this woman.
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I'm fascinated.
Motherwolff.
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[line ringing]
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- Yes, hi.
Is this Motherwolff?
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- Hey, it's Nev.
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- And for this episode,
we have a guest co-host.
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- And his name is Dylan.
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- Hi there, miss.
Nice to meet you.
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- How did you get
the name Motherwolff?
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- Wow. I'd rather talk
about it in person.
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Do you have time
right now if we come
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meet you out in Pennsylvania?
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- All right, we're gonna fly
out and we'll get into it.
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- Bye-bye now.
Can't wait.
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- All right.
Take care.
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Wow. This is crazy.
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- ♪ Better be a dream
with a different entry ♪
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♪ Clean off my finger
like an ice cream ♪
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♪ The sun was shining...♪
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- Ah, Pennsylvania.
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- So Motherwolff and David.
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- So-called David.
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- Talking for 20 years.
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- I hope it's really him.
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- Who really is him?
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- Here we go.
- All right.
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[doorbell rings]
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- Hi.
- Hey, what's up?
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- Hello.
How youse all doing?
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- Good. How are you?
- Nice to meet you.
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- Good to meet you.
- Nev, obviously. Dylan.
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- Hi, Dylan.
Nice to meet you.
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- Good to meet you also.
Come on in.
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- So should we just
call you Motherwolff?
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- Yeah.
- Thanks for having us.
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- I'm so very curious.
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- Uh-huh.
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- You used to be a...
- In a coven?
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- Well, yeah.
You were an independent witch.
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Wait, what'd you call it?
- Oh, yes, 30 plus years,
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I was conservative Baptist.
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- Got it.
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- And then in my
early 30s, I dedicated
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into solitary witchcraft.
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- Can you give me
some background
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as to what it means when
you say practice witchcraft?
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- With witchcraft,
we look at it
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as we manifest our desires
by speaking it on the wind
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and with our works.
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- Can you give me an example?
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What if any spells
have you attempted
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to use in regards to David?
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Can you inspire him to...
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- Yes, we actually...it's
called speaking on the wind.
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We had went without
talking for a while,
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and my mom had passed away.
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And I had no way to reach him.
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He wasn't answering
his messages.
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And I put the window up.
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And I sat there,
and I called out to him.
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I said, "I need you."
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And we do this little thing
where it's like a little howl.
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- Like a howl, like,
kind of like a wolf?
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- Yeah.
It's just a real light...
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[howls] Aoooh...
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And he called me 30 minutes
later, he said, "I heard you."
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- He said that?
- That's wild.
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- He was like,
I felt like I knew...
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- He said, "I heard you."
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- And is he versed in
any of this kind of stuff
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that you do as well?
- Okay.
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- In fact, when we had met...
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it was a chat room
called Virtual Magic.
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I saw his name and it
caught my attention.
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His name was Warlock.
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And it just...
I don't know something
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about it clicked to me.
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I just kept watching him.
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And we got to talking, and
it just took off from there.
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And we would just
talk and talk.
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And then next thing I knew,
he had my phone number,
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and we were talking
on the phone.
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And we were talking all the
time, hours on the phone.
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- You mentioned in your email
how much you love his voice.
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- Yes. His voice was always
kind of smooth, very calming.
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And I would relax instantly.
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Now the only place I hear
from him is through messenger.
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But it was just really nice.
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And he was just
always right there.
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He spent a lot of time
talking to us, me and my kids.
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We became very, very close.
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It was so surprising
that, you know,
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this is someone that's
miles and miles away.
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And it's like if...if I needed
something, I could just pick
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up the phone and call him.
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If my girls had
a bad time at school,
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he'd talk to 'em about it.
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We talked every day.
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But he would disappear
for months at a time
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or I wouldn't hear from him.
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But he always seemed to feel
when I was having a crisis.
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You know, he'd be...
be gone for like three,
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four, maybe five months,
I wouldn't hear anything.
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And then something
would be going
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on that just had me
a little stressed out
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and I'd hear from.
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During some of the hardest
times in my life, he's there.
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- And now, over the
course of the 20 years,
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I imagine you both had
other relationships.
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- Yes.
I've had several relationships.
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They all knew about him.
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I said, "I have
a man that I will
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not stop talking to though.
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It's not negotiable."
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And they said, "Well, what
if I give you an ultimatum?"
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I said, "Well, you can put
your shoes right back on."
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That's where it was at.
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He's my constant.
Constantly the one there.
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- So wait, so what do
you know about this guy?
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Has he always lived in Orlando?
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- As far as I know, yeah.
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I don't know the
street number anymore.
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But I know he used to
live on Stonebridge Lane
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'cause I sent him a
couple packages there.
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And he confirmed the packages,
told me what was in them.
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- Have you ever met
or talked to anybody
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that's ever met him in person?
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- One.
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There was a girl that
had been in the chat.
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Deedee.
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He said she was the
mother of his son.
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And that was his ex, but
they stayed in the same house
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for their child.
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I became friends with her also.
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Even if he wasn't home,
I'd call for him,
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me and her would talk
for like an hour.
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- So it was...it was
like a house phone?
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- Yeah.
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- So have you only
ever had his landline?
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Or do you now have
his cell phone?
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- No, I don't have
his cell phone.
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We talk strictly through
Messenger on Facebook.
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- When was the last
time he messaged you?
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- Uh, last night.
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- Last night? Wow.
- Yeah.
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- So he's had the same
Facebook page for a while.
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- Yeah.
- You've seen a photo of him?
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- Yeah. These are pictures
that he had sent me
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a while back, like, online.
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- Wait, let me see.
- That's him at the top.
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- Wow. Look at this guy.
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- And when he had sent
them to me, he said, "Shh."
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I guess he didn't want me
to show 'em anybody else.
249
00:09:46,787 --> 00:09:49,554
- Hmm.
- And we'd never video chatted.
250
00:09:49,623 --> 00:09:51,623
There was always a
reason it didn't work.
251
00:09:51,692 --> 00:09:52,958
He needed to get a webcam.
252
00:09:53,026 --> 00:09:54,626
There was this, there was that.
253
00:09:54,695 --> 00:09:56,628
And back then I figured, oh,
you know, eventually,
254
00:09:56,697 --> 00:09:57,829
we'll meet each other.
255
00:09:57,898 --> 00:09:59,664
Never dreamed it
would go this long.
256
00:09:59,733 --> 00:10:04,636
- So what if, for these last 20
years, David has lied to you?
257
00:10:04,705 --> 00:10:06,938
What if he's not the
guy in the pictures?
258
00:10:07,007 --> 00:10:08,907
What if he hasn't
been honest with you?
259
00:10:08,976 --> 00:10:12,978
- Well, of course,
I would be upset with him.
260
00:10:13,046 --> 00:10:14,646
It's still not a deal breaker.
261
00:10:14,715 --> 00:10:15,947
- Really?
262
00:10:16,016 --> 00:10:17,716
So you think you
could still pursue
263
00:10:17,784 --> 00:10:19,417
a relationship with him?
264
00:10:19,486 --> 00:10:21,853
- I mean, when it mattered,
when I really need someone,
265
00:10:21,922 --> 00:10:23,088
he's been there.
266
00:10:23,156 --> 00:10:25,123
You know, people make mistakes.
267
00:10:25,192 --> 00:10:27,626
And if he's willing
to make things right,
268
00:10:27,694 --> 00:10:29,594
there's still
possibilities there.
269
00:10:29,663 --> 00:10:31,162
It's been 20 years now.
270
00:10:31,231 --> 00:10:32,998
We need to get to
the bottom of this.
271
00:10:33,066 --> 00:10:36,601
I'm done playing the
game and waiting.
272
00:10:36,670 --> 00:10:39,537
You know, it's not gonna be
on David's terms anymore.
273
00:10:39,606 --> 00:10:41,439
It's going to be
where I step up.
274
00:10:41,508 --> 00:10:43,642
I'm ready to do
something with my life.
275
00:10:43,710 --> 00:10:45,610
And if it's going to
be with him, great.
276
00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,012
- Right.
277
00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,348
We're gonna need you
to send us any info...
278
00:10:50,417 --> 00:10:51,616
- Okay.
279
00:10:51,685 --> 00:10:53,184
- You know,
that you have on David.
280
00:10:53,253 --> 00:10:55,120
Tomorrow, we'll start
digging and we'll just
281
00:10:55,188 --> 00:10:56,921
have to take it from there.
- All right.
282
00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:58,023
- We got to make this happen.
283
00:10:58,091 --> 00:10:59,624
- Yeah, we got to
make this happen.
284
00:10:59,693 --> 00:11:03,595
Finally, after all these
years, the time is now.
285
00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,500
- The Black Cat Café.
- Oh!
286
00:11:08,568 --> 00:11:10,602
- They have ice cream and cats.
- Wow.
287
00:11:10,671 --> 00:11:12,704
- You little sleepy kitty.
288
00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:14,606
- Cute.
289
00:11:14,675 --> 00:11:16,808
- All right, so what do we got?
290
00:11:16,877 --> 00:11:19,678
We got Motherwolff and David.
291
00:11:19,746 --> 00:11:23,581
For 20 years,
they've been talking.
292
00:11:24,518 --> 00:11:27,852
For the first few years,
they were like very serious
293
00:11:27,921 --> 00:11:29,120
and together.
- Mm-hmm.
294
00:11:29,189 --> 00:11:30,522
- But things happen.
295
00:11:30,590 --> 00:11:32,290
They lost touch,
they get back in touch.
296
00:11:32,359 --> 00:11:34,392
Motherwolff believes
that they are connected,
297
00:11:34,461 --> 00:11:36,895
and he feels and hears her.
298
00:11:36,963 --> 00:11:38,096
She needs him.
299
00:11:38,165 --> 00:11:39,764
He's always there.
300
00:11:39,833 --> 00:11:43,334
And they've really maintained
a very meaningful relationship
301
00:11:43,403 --> 00:11:44,969
for most of those 20 years.
302
00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:47,138
- Yeah, I mean, it seems
like the last missing
303
00:11:47,207 --> 00:11:49,641
piece to her life right
now is figuring this out.
304
00:11:49,710 --> 00:11:51,876
But I have a lot of
questions about David.
305
00:11:51,945 --> 00:11:54,079
- For sure. All right,
so you ready to dive in?
306
00:11:54,147 --> 00:11:55,580
- Hell yeah.
307
00:11:55,649 --> 00:11:58,049
- "Hey, guys, here's the
details I know about David.
308
00:11:58,118 --> 00:12:01,553
His name is David Derringer,
and he lives in Orlando.
309
00:12:01,621 --> 00:12:03,588
The pictures I
have are attached.
310
00:12:03,657 --> 00:12:05,890
I no longer have any of the
phone numbers for David.
311
00:12:05,959 --> 00:12:07,726
I have previously
sent him gifts
312
00:12:07,794 --> 00:12:09,327
to an address in Orlando.
313
00:12:09,396 --> 00:12:10,962
Don't have the full
address anymore.
314
00:12:11,031 --> 00:12:13,431
But I know it was
on Stonebridge Drive
315
00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:14,632
in Orlando, Florida.
316
00:12:14,701 --> 00:12:17,135
His Facebook
is David Derringer.
317
00:12:17,204 --> 00:12:19,137
I can't wait to hear
what you find out.
318
00:12:19,206 --> 00:12:20,271
Thanks again.
319
00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:21,740
Aooooooo!
320
00:12:21,808 --> 00:12:23,007
Motherwolff."
321
00:12:23,076 --> 00:12:24,576
- I didn't know that's
how you spelt a howl.
322
00:12:24,644 --> 00:12:26,478
That's smart.
- Okay, so let's see.
323
00:12:26,546 --> 00:12:27,846
We don't have a ton.
324
00:12:27,914 --> 00:12:29,314
Let's go to his
Facebook page and just
325
00:12:29,382 --> 00:12:32,150
see what it looks like because
she talked a lot about it.
326
00:12:32,219 --> 00:12:35,687
All right, so there's
a picture of a wolf.
327
00:12:35,756 --> 00:12:38,189
He lives in Orlando,
64 friends.
328
00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:40,959
Family, no relationships,
no family details.
329
00:12:41,027 --> 00:12:42,494
Nothing.
Yeah.
330
00:12:42,562 --> 00:12:45,797
Okay, so there's not a lot on
here except for his friends.
331
00:12:45,866 --> 00:12:49,434
There's photos of David, and
it's literally the night sky.
332
00:12:49,503 --> 00:12:51,870
So David's profile does not
have a lot of information
333
00:12:51,938 --> 00:12:53,171
on it.
334
00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,939
I'd say this page
looks pretty fake.
335
00:12:55,008 --> 00:12:56,975
So I think we should
run the photos.
336
00:12:57,043 --> 00:13:00,645
Let's try a little
facial recognition.
337
00:13:00,714 --> 00:13:03,782
Whoa, a lot of hits.
338
00:13:03,850 --> 00:13:05,650
Definitely the same guy.
339
00:13:05,719 --> 00:13:07,552
What is this website?
340
00:13:07,621 --> 00:13:08,720
Fubar?
341
00:13:08,789 --> 00:13:10,321
- sexyrexy.
- Huh?
342
00:13:10,390 --> 00:13:13,024
- "sexyrexy's photos."
- "sexyrexy's photos."
343
00:13:13,093 --> 00:13:14,859
Yeah, it looks like
most of the pictures
344
00:13:14,928 --> 00:13:16,394
are from this website.
345
00:13:16,463 --> 00:13:17,829
And some of these
obviously she has not seen.
346
00:13:17,898 --> 00:13:19,631
Who's sexyrexy?
347
00:13:19,699 --> 00:13:22,433
From Lansing, Michigan.
348
00:13:22,502 --> 00:13:23,735
Interesting.
349
00:13:23,804 --> 00:13:26,070
No mention of Orlando though.
350
00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:28,807
I wonder if maybe David
stole this guy's picture.
351
00:13:28,875 --> 00:13:30,175
All right.
352
00:13:30,243 --> 00:13:31,843
So we found a hit with
one of the photos.
353
00:13:31,912 --> 00:13:35,513
But it all points to this
weird sort of online bar
354
00:13:35,582 --> 00:13:37,081
friend finder game.
355
00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:39,250
Doesn't tell us
who he is though.
356
00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:40,618
Weird.
357
00:13:40,687 --> 00:13:43,121
So we don't know for sure
who sexyrexy is.
358
00:13:43,190 --> 00:13:45,089
Let's just see if there's
even a David Derringer
359
00:13:45,158 --> 00:13:47,592
who lives in Orlando.
360
00:13:47,661 --> 00:13:49,427
Oh. Okay.
361
00:13:49,496 --> 00:13:52,096
There is one
David Derringer, 46,
362
00:13:52,165 --> 00:13:53,998
which is probably
around the right age.
363
00:13:54,067 --> 00:13:55,533
Lives in Orlando.
364
00:13:55,602 --> 00:13:57,368
Stonebridge Drive.
- Oh, yeah!
365
00:13:57,437 --> 00:13:58,837
- She was like,
"I don't remember much.
366
00:13:58,905 --> 00:14:01,272
But I remember he lived
on Stonebridge Drive."
367
00:14:01,341 --> 00:14:03,908
- Yeah.
- This is probably him.
368
00:14:03,977 --> 00:14:06,211
- That's good.
- No phone numbers found,
369
00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:08,580
no email address or relatives.
- That's not good.
370
00:14:08,648 --> 00:14:10,014
- There's nothing
here about him.
371
00:14:10,083 --> 00:14:13,952
But it does confirm
there is a David Derringer
372
00:14:14,020 --> 00:14:16,554
who's 46 in Florida.
373
00:14:16,623 --> 00:14:18,356
Okay, well, this
is our first...
374
00:14:18,425 --> 00:14:20,758
- This is good.
- Good piece of information.
375
00:14:20,827 --> 00:14:23,561
- And he's 46.
- Yeah, the right age zone.
376
00:14:23,630 --> 00:14:24,929
Is this who she's talking to?
It's gotta be
377
00:14:24,998 --> 00:14:26,231
who she's talking to.
- It's the addresses,
378
00:14:26,299 --> 00:14:27,699
it's the name.
- So maybe his name
379
00:14:27,767 --> 00:14:29,968
really is David, and he really
does live In Florida.
380
00:14:30,036 --> 00:14:31,736
But the pictures
of that other guy
381
00:14:31,805 --> 00:14:34,906
were definitely from
Lansing, Michigan.
382
00:14:34,975 --> 00:14:36,541
- Yes.
383
00:14:36,610 --> 00:14:40,745
- I guess we could search
David Derringer Orlando
384
00:14:40,814 --> 00:14:43,448
and see if there's any
pictures or anything.
385
00:14:43,516 --> 00:14:45,216
Whoa, look at this.
386
00:14:45,285 --> 00:14:48,319
David Derringer,
a real estate agent.
387
00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,121
- Maybe...
- So this could be the guy
388
00:14:50,190 --> 00:14:51,723
Motherwolff's
really talking to.
389
00:14:51,791 --> 00:14:53,725
- That would explain, to
some extent why he's been
390
00:14:53,793 --> 00:14:55,360
so nervous to
possibly meet up with her,
391
00:14:55,428 --> 00:14:57,962
'cause he's been sending
pictures of someone else.
392
00:14:58,031 --> 00:14:59,497
This could be what he's
been hiding all along.
393
00:15:02,369 --> 00:15:05,236
I mean, 20 years is a long
time to lie to someone.
394
00:15:05,305 --> 00:15:07,405
- I'd be upset for sure.
395
00:15:07,474 --> 00:15:09,007
- All right.
396
00:15:11,177 --> 00:15:16,014
Aoooo!
- Aoooo!
397
00:15:16,583 --> 00:15:18,383
- Hears us.
398
00:15:18,451 --> 00:15:20,418
- Oh, hi.
- Hello.
399
00:15:20,487 --> 00:15:21,886
- Hey, yo.
- What's up?
400
00:15:21,955 --> 00:15:22,954
- Come on in.
401
00:15:23,023 --> 00:15:25,590
- Okay, into the
wolf den we go.
402
00:15:26,526 --> 00:15:28,893
- I'll let everybody settle in.
403
00:15:28,962 --> 00:15:30,828
And how are you feeling
just in general?
404
00:15:30,897 --> 00:15:33,164
- Butterflies.
A little nervous.
405
00:15:33,233 --> 00:15:34,599
- All right, well,
we're gonna take you through
406
00:15:34,668 --> 00:15:36,567
kind of what we found.
- Okay.
407
00:15:36,636 --> 00:15:38,670
- Okay.
408
00:15:38,738 --> 00:15:41,072
So we took the photos
that you sent us.
409
00:15:41,141 --> 00:15:43,474
And the first one we searched
on this website
410
00:15:43,543 --> 00:15:46,511
that sort of does like
a facial recognition scan for--
411
00:15:46,579 --> 00:15:48,947
- Yeah.
- Came back with some hits.
412
00:15:51,651 --> 00:15:55,386
- These are some pictures
that you haven't seen.
413
00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:58,222
- Yeah, I haven't
seen most of these.
414
00:15:58,291 --> 00:16:00,391
- This is a website
called Fubar.
415
00:16:00,460 --> 00:16:03,928
It's like an online Internet
bar where people mingle
416
00:16:03,997 --> 00:16:06,230
and meet each other.
sexyrexy?
417
00:16:06,299 --> 00:16:08,766
Would that be a name
he might give himself?
418
00:16:08,835 --> 00:16:11,102
- Maybe if he was being silly.
- Okay.
419
00:16:11,171 --> 00:16:13,771
So there's not
a lot on this profile.
420
00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,773
The only thing that
you can see, though,
421
00:16:15,842 --> 00:16:18,509
is that it says he's male
and from Lansing, Michigan.
422
00:16:18,578 --> 00:16:22,380
He's never talked about being
from or being in Michigan
423
00:16:22,449 --> 00:16:25,016
while you've known him, right?
- No.
424
00:16:25,085 --> 00:16:26,784
- So it looks like the name
of the guy in the pictures
425
00:16:26,853 --> 00:16:28,686
might be Rex or Rexy.
426
00:16:28,755 --> 00:16:30,855
Here's where it
gets interesting.
427
00:16:30,924 --> 00:16:34,792
When we did a search for David
Derringer in Orlando, Florida,
428
00:16:34,861 --> 00:16:36,327
we got a hit.
429
00:16:36,396 --> 00:16:38,963
This guy comes up as
living in Orlando.
430
00:16:39,032 --> 00:16:40,965
And look at this.
431
00:16:41,034 --> 00:16:42,533
- [gasps]
432
00:16:42,602 --> 00:16:44,502
That's the address.
That was the street.
433
00:16:44,571 --> 00:16:46,237
- Stonebridge Drive, right.
Which is what
434
00:16:46,306 --> 00:16:47,438
you had sent to us.
- Yes.
435
00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:49,140
- I mean, you sent him
stuff, he got it, right?
436
00:16:49,209 --> 00:16:50,508
- Right, yeah.
437
00:16:50,577 --> 00:16:51,943
- So, you know,
there's someone there.
438
00:16:52,012 --> 00:16:53,378
But the fact that his name
is in fact David Derringer
439
00:16:53,446 --> 00:16:56,047
and his age is what
you kind of assumed it was,
440
00:16:56,116 --> 00:16:59,217
those are big things
to sort of finally confirm.
441
00:16:59,285 --> 00:17:01,185
But we wanted to
see if we could find out
442
00:17:01,254 --> 00:17:03,021
what this guy looked like.
443
00:17:03,089 --> 00:17:06,557
A simple Google search for
David Derringer in Orlando...
444
00:17:06,626 --> 00:17:08,226
- Mm-hmm.
445
00:17:08,294 --> 00:17:13,464
- Leads primarily to
this real estate agent.
446
00:17:13,533 --> 00:17:14,899
The page is private.
447
00:17:14,968 --> 00:17:17,568
So there's not a lot
on here but a picture.
448
00:17:19,139 --> 00:17:21,839
- Wow.
449
00:17:21,908 --> 00:17:27,011
- This could be the person
who you're really talking to.
450
00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,781
[soft music]
451
00:17:29,849 --> 00:17:33,951
- I don't know what to think.
I really don't.
452
00:17:37,123 --> 00:17:39,757
- ♪ Who ♪
453
00:17:39,826 --> 00:17:43,594
♪ Are you ♪
454
00:17:43,663 --> 00:17:45,863
♪ Who...♪
455
00:17:45,932 --> 00:17:47,899
- Sometimes, I just think it's
time to throw in the towel,
456
00:17:47,967 --> 00:17:51,402
you know, after all this time.
457
00:17:51,471 --> 00:17:54,539
- ♪ Who ♪
458
00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:56,441
♪ Are you ♪
459
00:17:56,509 --> 00:17:59,210
- Why has someone got
to hide that long?
460
00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:02,914
He says he would do anything,
well, then it's time
461
00:18:02,982 --> 00:18:06,551
to [bleep] or get off the pot.
462
00:18:06,619 --> 00:18:08,920
Stand up and show yourself.
463
00:18:08,988 --> 00:18:13,224
- ♪ I thought I knew ♪
464
00:18:13,293 --> 00:18:15,226
♪ ♪
465
00:18:15,295 --> 00:18:16,994
- So I think the move
then obviously is
466
00:18:17,063 --> 00:18:19,130
that we have to contact him.
- Yeah.
467
00:18:19,199 --> 00:18:21,365
- Now it seems the only
way we can do that
468
00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:23,367
is through his Facebook page.
469
00:18:23,436 --> 00:18:25,536
- Yeah, 'cause he's on it.
He said he never signs out.
470
00:18:25,605 --> 00:18:27,872
- Let's send him a message.
Right.
471
00:18:27,941 --> 00:18:31,142
Hey, David.
472
00:18:31,211 --> 00:18:33,444
My name is Nev, and I'm the
host of the TV show "Catfish."
473
00:18:33,513 --> 00:18:35,346
I'm actually in Pennsylvania
now with Motherwolff
474
00:18:35,415 --> 00:18:37,515
who has told me all
about your incredible
475
00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:38,916
20-year-long friendship.
476
00:18:38,985 --> 00:18:41,052
I'd love to speak
with you and help you two
477
00:18:41,121 --> 00:18:43,988
finally meet up in person
after all these years.
478
00:18:44,057 --> 00:18:45,423
Please give me a
call as soon as possible
479
00:18:45,492 --> 00:18:47,291
so we can organize.
Great.
480
00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:48,826
Send it.
481
00:18:48,895 --> 00:18:50,795
- Boom.
482
00:18:50,864 --> 00:18:52,230
- I almost feel
like you...you should
483
00:18:52,298 --> 00:18:53,764
send him another message.
- I can do that.
484
00:18:53,833 --> 00:18:56,300
Check your message requests.
It's important.
485
00:18:56,369 --> 00:18:57,969
- Okay, that's fine.
486
00:18:58,037 --> 00:18:59,303
- He's on.
- Oh, he's typing.
487
00:18:59,372 --> 00:19:00,972
He's typing.
- He just saw it.
488
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,474
[phone buzzes]
[gasps]
489
00:19:03,543 --> 00:19:06,144
He's calling.
- Oh, my God.
490
00:19:06,212 --> 00:19:08,412
- How do you have his...oh,
he's calling on Facebook.
491
00:19:08,481 --> 00:19:09,480
Okay.
Answer, answer.
492
00:19:09,549 --> 00:19:10,715
Put him on speaker.
493
00:19:10,783 --> 00:19:12,717
Put him on speaker.
494
00:19:12,785 --> 00:19:15,453
- Hey.
- Hey.
495
00:19:15,522 --> 00:19:18,189
- Hey.
496
00:19:18,258 --> 00:19:20,458
- Um, hi.
497
00:19:20,527 --> 00:19:22,193
It's so good to
hear your voice.
498
00:19:22,262 --> 00:19:24,996
I didn't expect you to call.
499
00:19:25,064 --> 00:19:30,501
Um, I'm sitting here with Nev
and the crew from "Catfish."
500
00:19:30,570 --> 00:19:33,304
Um...
501
00:19:33,373 --> 00:19:38,109
They've offered to help us
meet up with each other.
502
00:19:52,258 --> 00:19:55,159
- Well, we just seem to
keep running into roadblocks
503
00:19:55,228 --> 00:19:58,429
ourselves and just seemed
like the way to do it.
504
00:19:58,498 --> 00:20:01,032
I mean, it's been 20 years now.
505
00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:02,867
I don't want it to
just be something
506
00:20:02,936 --> 00:20:04,402
we talk about anymore.
507
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:06,737
I want it to be something
that we actually do.
508
00:20:13,346 --> 00:20:15,279
And...
- I know.
509
00:20:23,256 --> 00:20:25,289
- Hey, David, hey, sorry.
510
00:20:25,358 --> 00:20:27,058
I'm just jumping in real quick.
511
00:20:27,126 --> 00:20:28,426
It's Nev here.
512
00:20:28,494 --> 00:20:30,761
You obviously know
Motherwolff very well.
513
00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:34,198
And I'm sure in the 20 years
that you guys have talked
514
00:20:34,267 --> 00:20:36,434
and that you've been there
for her and you've connected,
515
00:20:36,502 --> 00:20:40,171
you've learned how
incredible and supportive
516
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,306
and accepting she is.
517
00:20:42,375 --> 00:20:44,542
Perhaps there is something
that maybe she doesn't know
518
00:20:44,611 --> 00:20:47,144
or that you may have told
her that wasn't true.
519
00:20:51,017 --> 00:20:52,483
- I totally get that.
520
00:20:52,552 --> 00:20:54,352
So just before we go,
last thing--
521
00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:56,754
you're in Orlando, Florida,
right?
522
00:21:03,162 --> 00:21:05,296
- Wow.
[Motherwolff sobbing]
523
00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:09,200
- Perhaps there is something
that maybe she doesn't know
524
00:21:09,269 --> 00:21:11,502
or that you may have told
her that wasn't true.
525
00:21:15,708 --> 00:21:17,174
- I totally get that.
526
00:21:17,243 --> 00:21:19,443
So just before we go,
last thing--you're in Orlando,
527
00:21:19,512 --> 00:21:22,013
Florida, right?
528
00:21:27,854 --> 00:21:29,987
- Wow.
529
00:21:30,056 --> 00:21:33,357
[somber music]
530
00:21:33,426 --> 00:21:37,628
♪ ♪
531
00:21:37,697 --> 00:21:40,498
- I could tell he was angry
when he hung up.
532
00:21:40,566 --> 00:21:43,467
Could hear in his voice.
533
00:21:43,536 --> 00:21:48,005
- ♪ I wish I could
get over you ♪
534
00:21:48,074 --> 00:21:50,708
♪ And I hate that I can't ♪
535
00:21:50,777 --> 00:21:54,011
- That's definitely the voice.
536
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,847
- ♪ I'm still haunted
by the ghost of you ♪
537
00:21:56,916 --> 00:21:59,116
- I'm ready to take you
down there,
538
00:21:59,185 --> 00:22:01,218
whether he
calls us back or not.
539
00:22:03,189 --> 00:22:04,789
We know where he lives.
540
00:22:04,857 --> 00:22:07,458
I guess I can just
message him now.
541
00:22:07,527 --> 00:22:09,193
Hey, David.
We're gonna fly down
542
00:22:09,262 --> 00:22:10,528
to Orlando tomorrow morning
543
00:22:10,596 --> 00:22:12,630
in the hopes that you
agree to meet up with us.
544
00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:15,066
Okay.
Sent.
545
00:22:15,134 --> 00:22:17,501
We got some packing to do.
We'll meet you at the airport
546
00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:19,170
or we'll pick you up,
whatever.
547
00:22:19,238 --> 00:22:20,705
We'll figure it out.
- Okay.
548
00:22:20,773 --> 00:22:23,474
- We just have to get down
there, force the issue.
549
00:22:23,543 --> 00:22:24,809
♪ ♪
550
00:22:24,877 --> 00:22:26,110
- There she is.
551
00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:27,511
- What's up?
552
00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:28,813
Good to see you.
553
00:22:28,881 --> 00:22:31,015
- Have you heard
anything from David?
554
00:22:31,084 --> 00:22:33,684
- No.
The day of reckoning.
555
00:22:34,654 --> 00:22:36,354
- All right.
- This is wild.
556
00:22:36,422 --> 00:22:37,421
- Really ridin' in style.
557
00:22:39,125 --> 00:22:40,891
- ♪ I never needed you ♪
558
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,094
♪ In all this time ♪
559
00:22:43,162 --> 00:22:46,497
- ♪ I never loved you
in all this time ♪
560
00:22:46,566 --> 00:22:49,734
♪ I never needed you at all ♪
561
00:22:49,802 --> 00:22:51,402
♪ ♪
562
00:22:51,471 --> 00:22:53,170
- We made it.
563
00:22:55,975 --> 00:22:57,541
I mean, we have his address.
564
00:22:57,610 --> 00:22:59,043
Shall we do
a little knock, knock?
565
00:22:59,112 --> 00:23:00,845
The only reason I even
suggest that is because
566
00:23:00,913 --> 00:23:02,780
you've been waiting 20 years.
- Yeah.
567
00:23:02,849 --> 00:23:04,715
- So I say we just go
and check it out.
568
00:23:04,784 --> 00:23:06,117
- I agree.
569
00:23:06,185 --> 00:23:08,085
- Here, Dylan, why don't you
send a quick message?
570
00:23:08,154 --> 00:23:10,187
- Just want to give
you a heads up.
571
00:23:10,256 --> 00:23:12,556
We have an address
that we think is yours.
572
00:23:12,625 --> 00:23:15,393
We're going to stop by
and hopefully we can meet.
573
00:23:19,465 --> 00:23:21,399
- He just saw my messages.
- Oh, yeah?
574
00:23:21,467 --> 00:23:24,235
- And told him, I said, "I
don't have any expectations
575
00:23:24,303 --> 00:23:26,937
for you except to
finally see you and not
576
00:23:27,006 --> 00:23:28,472
just a name on the screen."
577
00:23:28,541 --> 00:23:32,076
Hasn't said anything,
but he's seen it.
578
00:23:32,145 --> 00:23:35,045
[tense music]
579
00:23:35,114 --> 00:23:40,418
♪ ♪
580
00:23:40,486 --> 00:23:42,219
- It's just down this road.
581
00:23:42,288 --> 00:23:45,656
[Nev and Motherwolff
talking under breath]
582
00:23:45,725 --> 00:23:46,891
- Well, there it is.
583
00:23:46,959 --> 00:23:50,394
[tense music]
584
00:23:50,463 --> 00:23:53,431
- All right, well,
hopefully, he's in there.
585
00:23:55,067 --> 00:23:56,400
How are you feeling?
586
00:23:56,469 --> 00:23:58,402
- Whew.
587
00:23:58,471 --> 00:24:00,337
Shaking like a leaf right now.
588
00:24:00,406 --> 00:24:02,973
- Yeah.
We don't know what to expect.
589
00:24:03,042 --> 00:24:04,275
- Yeah.
- We've seen all kinds of
590
00:24:04,343 --> 00:24:06,143
weird things happen.
It could be that real estate
591
00:24:06,212 --> 00:24:08,612
agent whose photos we found.
Expect anything.
592
00:24:08,681 --> 00:24:10,347
- Whew...
593
00:24:10,416 --> 00:24:11,916
- Let's do it.
594
00:24:18,257 --> 00:24:20,691
- Just hang here
and I'll knock.
595
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,161
[suspenseful music]
596
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:25,663
♪ ♪
597
00:24:25,731 --> 00:24:28,098
- No matter what happens,
we're here with you.
598
00:24:28,167 --> 00:24:35,105
♪ ♪
599
00:24:35,174 --> 00:24:36,607
- Come on, David.
600
00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:39,977
There's a light on, but...
601
00:24:40,046 --> 00:24:41,879
Oh! Jesus.
602
00:24:43,583 --> 00:24:44,882
- Hello.
603
00:24:44,951 --> 00:24:46,484
- Oh, my God.
604
00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:50,421
- I mean, I...there's
a light on, but...
605
00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:53,424
[suspenseful music]
606
00:24:53,493 --> 00:24:56,527
♪ ♪
607
00:24:56,596 --> 00:24:58,262
Oh! Jesus.
608
00:25:01,968 --> 00:25:03,667
Hello.
609
00:25:03,736 --> 00:25:05,135
- Hey.
610
00:25:05,204 --> 00:25:06,504
- Hi.
611
00:25:06,572 --> 00:25:08,339
How you doing?
- I'm all right.
612
00:25:08,407 --> 00:25:10,140
- Nev.
- David.
613
00:25:10,209 --> 00:25:12,443
- David. All right.
Nice to meet you.
614
00:25:13,412 --> 00:25:19,016
[quiet music]
615
00:25:19,085 --> 00:25:20,017
- Hi.
616
00:25:20,086 --> 00:25:21,418
- Hey.
617
00:25:21,487 --> 00:25:26,824
- This is June, or
Motherwolff, as you know her.
618
00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:29,193
- So how are you?
619
00:25:29,262 --> 00:25:31,929
- I'm good.
How are you?
620
00:25:31,998 --> 00:25:34,031
- I'm good.
621
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:40,337
♪ ♪
622
00:25:40,406 --> 00:25:42,773
I don't know what to say.
I'm so...
623
00:25:42,842 --> 00:25:45,943
This has been
a long time coming.
624
00:25:46,012 --> 00:25:49,313
But I'm here, so...
625
00:25:49,382 --> 00:25:51,949
- Well, you look really nice.
626
00:25:52,018 --> 00:25:54,118
- Thank you.
- Yeah.
627
00:25:54,186 --> 00:25:57,154
- You don't look
so bad yourself...ha ha.
628
00:26:01,527 --> 00:26:06,030
- You guys mind if we just
jump in for a minute?
629
00:26:06,098 --> 00:26:07,965
- Yeah, go right ahead.
630
00:26:08,034 --> 00:26:11,068
- Clearly, you're not
the person in the photos
631
00:26:11,137 --> 00:26:12,136
that you sent.
632
00:26:12,204 --> 00:26:14,705
Right?
- Yeah, yeah, I know.
633
00:26:14,774 --> 00:26:19,543
- Is that essentially
what's been keeping you...
634
00:26:19,612 --> 00:26:22,546
from showing your
true self all these years
635
00:26:22,615 --> 00:26:23,981
and meeting up?
636
00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:25,516
- Yeah, I guess so.
637
00:26:25,585 --> 00:26:27,685
- And it's been you
and only you talking
638
00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:28,852
to her this whole time,
right?
639
00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:30,254
- Yeah.
640
00:26:30,323 --> 00:26:33,524
- Well, now that the
"cat's out of the bag,"
641
00:26:33,593 --> 00:26:37,895
do you feel more comfortable
with the idea of us finally
642
00:26:37,964 --> 00:26:39,597
bringing you two together?
643
00:26:39,665 --> 00:26:43,734
- I mean, I'm glad
you're here, you know?
644
00:26:43,803 --> 00:26:47,071
I've always wanted to, like,
meet up with you,
645
00:26:47,139 --> 00:26:48,539
all right?
- Mm-hmm.
646
00:26:48,608 --> 00:26:50,107
- 'Cause you know you
always have my heart.
647
00:26:50,176 --> 00:26:52,376
- Yeah, same here.
- Yeah.
648
00:26:52,445 --> 00:26:54,912
- Why have you been so elusive?
649
00:26:54,981 --> 00:26:57,548
I mean, you're not the
person in the photos.
650
00:26:57,617 --> 00:27:00,250
But surely,
you have a phone, right?
651
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,721
- Um, I really don't
use my phone like that.
652
00:27:03,789 --> 00:27:07,191
- Forgive me for asking
some kind of
653
00:27:07,259 --> 00:27:09,193
standard questions here.
654
00:27:09,261 --> 00:27:11,295
But are you in a relationship?
655
00:27:11,364 --> 00:27:13,831
- No, no.
- Okay.
656
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,900
Well, I guess the
question I have is,
657
00:27:16,969 --> 00:27:19,937
I understand,
years and years ago,
658
00:27:20,006 --> 00:27:22,039
you sent her
a picture that wasn't you.
659
00:27:22,108 --> 00:27:23,707
- Yeah.
- But has there been
660
00:27:23,776 --> 00:27:26,577
any other
meaningful information
661
00:27:26,646 --> 00:27:29,079
that you feel you
were keeping from her
662
00:27:29,148 --> 00:27:30,748
or that you never
shared with her?
663
00:27:30,816 --> 00:27:32,750
That you lied about?
664
00:27:32,818 --> 00:27:34,118
- Um...
665
00:27:34,186 --> 00:27:36,687
- June, would you
prefer a seat?
666
00:27:37,757 --> 00:27:39,623
- I mean, there's a lot.
667
00:27:39,692 --> 00:27:43,460
[heavy music]
668
00:27:43,529 --> 00:27:48,298
Before I tell you, just...
669
00:27:48,367 --> 00:27:51,235
just know that everything I
said was...was the truth,
670
00:27:51,303 --> 00:27:52,469
okay?
- Okay.
671
00:27:52,538 --> 00:27:54,238
- Always, always love you.
672
00:27:54,306 --> 00:27:55,472
[music escalates]
673
00:27:55,541 --> 00:27:57,608
But...
674
00:27:58,744 --> 00:27:59,810
- Okay.
675
00:27:59,879 --> 00:28:02,946
- David was someone
I just made up.
676
00:28:04,183 --> 00:28:05,949
But when...
677
00:28:06,018 --> 00:28:09,820
when I am David,
I mean every word I say.
678
00:28:09,889 --> 00:28:13,290
Actually, I'm Denise...
679
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,192
[in a woman's voice]
And I just basically
680
00:28:15,261 --> 00:28:17,928
roleplay David.
681
00:28:17,997 --> 00:28:20,964
[soft, dramatic music]
682
00:28:21,033 --> 00:28:24,735
♪ ♪
683
00:28:24,804 --> 00:28:26,704
- Okay, so let me
get this straight.
684
00:28:26,772 --> 00:28:31,341
So in all of your conversations
and communication with June,
685
00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:34,044
you were playing
the David character.
686
00:28:34,113 --> 00:28:35,579
- Yeah.
687
00:28:37,883 --> 00:28:42,453
- So in your day-to-day life,
people know you as Denise?
688
00:28:42,521 --> 00:28:43,887
- Yeah.
689
00:28:43,956 --> 00:28:46,824
But let me tell you something.
690
00:28:46,892 --> 00:28:49,293
David loves June 100%.
691
00:28:49,361 --> 00:28:53,363
And when I'm portraying David,
692
00:28:53,432 --> 00:28:55,632
okay, I become David.
693
00:28:55,701 --> 00:28:56,900
- I know.
694
00:28:56,969 --> 00:28:58,368
- So when I play David...
695
00:28:58,437 --> 00:29:00,704
[in a man's voice]
He loves you.
696
00:29:00,773 --> 00:29:02,506
Okay?
697
00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:08,212
- So then, as Denise,
do you have any interest
698
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,047
in a relationship
with Motherwolff?
699
00:29:10,116 --> 00:29:13,717
Or is that exclusive
to your character of David?
700
00:29:13,786 --> 00:29:15,252
- It's just with David.
701
00:29:15,321 --> 00:29:17,688
- So in your in your
day-to-day life as Denise,
702
00:29:17,757 --> 00:29:20,224
you don't imagine your
friendship and relationship?
703
00:29:20,292 --> 00:29:21,558
- No.
- No.
704
00:29:21,627 --> 00:29:22,659
Okay.
705
00:29:22,728 --> 00:29:24,595
I mean, it's definitely weird.
706
00:29:24,663 --> 00:29:27,397
This is a first for us
that someone would be
707
00:29:27,466 --> 00:29:30,467
talking to someone who has
708
00:29:30,536 --> 00:29:32,770
essentially sort of
two versions of themself.
709
00:29:32,838 --> 00:29:34,171
- Right.
710
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,840
Because when I play David,
I become David.
711
00:29:39,211 --> 00:29:40,911
[in a woman's voice]
And then when I'm Denise,
712
00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:44,581
then I'm totally
completely opposite.
713
00:29:44,650 --> 00:29:46,583
You know, when I'm with Denise,
714
00:29:46,652 --> 00:29:49,019
I don't like women,
I don't--I dress--
715
00:29:49,088 --> 00:29:50,687
I do not dress like this.
716
00:29:50,756 --> 00:29:52,422
- Got it.
717
00:29:52,491 --> 00:29:54,424
[in a man's voice]
- Only David does.
718
00:29:54,493 --> 00:29:56,226
[in a woman's voice]
And Dave's a good guy.
719
00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:58,695
He really is.
- Yeah, yeah, he definitely is.
720
00:29:58,764 --> 00:29:59,930
- He's a good guy,
and he loves you.
721
00:29:59,999 --> 00:30:01,398
- Definitely is.
- He completely loves you.
722
00:30:01,467 --> 00:30:03,066
- Well, Dave may be a good guy,
723
00:30:03,135 --> 00:30:04,334
and I believe that,
724
00:30:04,403 --> 00:30:07,638
But he's been
not totally honest
725
00:30:07,706 --> 00:30:11,575
and sort of
led her on for a long time.
726
00:30:11,644 --> 00:30:12,643
- Right.
727
00:30:12,711 --> 00:30:13,911
- Well, here's a
weird question.
728
00:30:13,979 --> 00:30:15,312
- Yeah.
729
00:30:15,381 --> 00:30:17,080
- As David, you are
attracted to women.
730
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:18,615
- Yeah.
731
00:30:18,684 --> 00:30:21,251
- And when you're David,
and you're talking to June,
732
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,886
do you feel a sexual desire?
733
00:30:22,955 --> 00:30:24,488
- Yeah, as Dave.
734
00:30:24,557 --> 00:30:28,425
- So is there any
interest from David
735
00:30:28,494 --> 00:30:33,597
to pursue any kind of romantic
relationship with June?
736
00:30:33,666 --> 00:30:35,065
- Of course.
737
00:30:35,134 --> 00:30:37,401
- Oh, there is. Okay.
- 20 years in the making.
738
00:30:37,469 --> 00:30:38,468
Yeah.
- Yeah.
739
00:30:38,537 --> 00:30:39,603
- You know?
740
00:30:39,672 --> 00:30:42,072
I mean, look at her,
she's beautiful.
741
00:30:42,141 --> 00:30:46,977
- Okay, well, obviously,
June, though, taking this all
742
00:30:47,046 --> 00:30:48,979
like a champ...
- Yeah.
743
00:30:49,048 --> 00:30:52,583
- I'm sure must be
feeling a lot of things.
744
00:30:52,651 --> 00:30:53,784
I know I am.
745
00:30:53,853 --> 00:30:54,985
But it's been
a long day of travel.
746
00:30:55,054 --> 00:30:56,119
- Mm-hmm.
747
00:30:56,188 --> 00:30:57,754
- This is just a
lot to take in.
748
00:30:57,823 --> 00:30:59,223
- Mm-hmm.
- So I think that now
749
00:30:59,291 --> 00:31:00,858
that the secrets
are out in the open,
750
00:31:00,926 --> 00:31:03,961
why don't we plan on
meeting back up tomorrow
751
00:31:04,029 --> 00:31:06,830
so you guys can talk more
and finally kinda...
752
00:31:06,899 --> 00:31:08,432
- All right.
That sounds like a plan.
753
00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:10,367
- Yeah.
- Yeah, I'd like that.
754
00:31:10,436 --> 00:31:11,869
- Yeah, I'd like that too.
755
00:31:11,937 --> 00:31:14,504
- No matter what happens
with you guys, going forward,
756
00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:16,473
honesty and communication
is always
757
00:31:16,542 --> 00:31:17,875
the most important thing.
758
00:31:17,943 --> 00:31:21,979
- Okay, well, lovely
meeting both of you.
759
00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:23,513
- Nice meeting you too.
760
00:31:23,582 --> 00:31:24,581
- Yes.
761
00:31:24,650 --> 00:31:25,649
- It's real nice
to meet you, David.
762
00:31:25,718 --> 00:31:26,884
- Nice to meet you too.
763
00:31:26,952 --> 00:31:28,552
- I'm glad you guys
got to meet up.
764
00:31:28,621 --> 00:31:30,020
- All right.
765
00:31:31,557 --> 00:31:33,490
- Well, I didn't
see that coming.
766
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:35,592
- What are we to
make of all that?
767
00:31:35,661 --> 00:31:38,996
- I mean, the Denise thing,
that...that's shocking.
768
00:31:39,064 --> 00:31:40,697
- What do you think
this means, like,
769
00:31:40,766 --> 00:31:42,299
romantically for you guys?
770
00:31:42,368 --> 00:31:44,268
- Physically, do you
find David attractive?
771
00:31:46,605 --> 00:31:48,739
- Male persona, female persona.
772
00:31:48,807 --> 00:31:50,040
That doesn't bother me.
773
00:31:50,109 --> 00:31:53,210
But with Denise not
being into girls,
774
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:54,845
that's going to keep it on...
775
00:31:54,914 --> 00:31:56,647
- Right.
- The downside with that.
776
00:31:56,715 --> 00:32:00,817
- Sounds like Denise is
the primary personality
777
00:32:00,886 --> 00:32:03,587
and David is a secondary.
778
00:32:03,656 --> 00:32:06,156
Does that mean that there's
enough David for you
779
00:32:06,225 --> 00:32:08,058
to have a relationship with?
You know what I mean?
780
00:32:08,127 --> 00:32:10,160
Like, are you willing
to have a relationship
781
00:32:10,229 --> 00:32:13,897
with part of someone
782
00:32:13,966 --> 00:32:15,666
but not the whole someone?
783
00:32:15,734 --> 00:32:17,234
- Exactly.
784
00:32:17,303 --> 00:32:19,870
I got a lot to run
through my head tonight.
785
00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:22,472
- Hello.
- Good morning.
786
00:32:22,541 --> 00:32:24,708
- Good morning.
- Join me on the couch.
787
00:32:24,777 --> 00:32:25,876
- Sounds good.
788
00:32:30,082 --> 00:32:31,315
My mind's going all night.
789
00:32:31,383 --> 00:32:34,618
So there's a lot of
unanswered questions I have.
790
00:32:34,687 --> 00:32:37,054
Yesterday, I just
didn't want to react.
791
00:32:37,122 --> 00:32:41,291
I'd rather stop, think,
and then take action.
792
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,162
And I have a couple ideas
of things I want to ask.
793
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:50,367
One of them is, who's most
dominant, Denise or David?
794
00:32:50,436 --> 00:32:53,170
And I want to know what
Denise thinks of me
795
00:32:53,238 --> 00:32:55,172
on a personal level,
'cause I've obviously
796
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,807
been around 20 years.
797
00:32:56,875 --> 00:32:58,475
- All right, well, it sounds
like you've got a lot to say.
798
00:32:58,544 --> 00:33:00,077
- Yeah.
- All right.
799
00:33:00,145 --> 00:33:02,512
- Let's rock and roll.
- Let's do it.
800
00:33:03,515 --> 00:33:08,018
- I just feel like there's
some other surprise waiting.
801
00:33:08,087 --> 00:33:10,053
- Okay.
- Well, here we go.
802
00:33:10,122 --> 00:33:11,388
- Let's do it.
803
00:33:15,894 --> 00:33:17,561
- [female voice] Hi.
- Hi.
804
00:33:17,629 --> 00:33:19,396
- Come on in.
- All right.
805
00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:23,166
- Is this Denise?
- Yeah.
806
00:33:23,235 --> 00:33:25,068
- Nice to see you again.
- Nice to see you again.
807
00:33:25,137 --> 00:33:28,772
- Good to see you.
- Ah, all right.
808
00:33:28,841 --> 00:33:30,407
How's everyone feeling?
809
00:33:30,476 --> 00:33:32,042
- All right.
810
00:33:32,111 --> 00:33:33,844
- I love the hair.
- Thank you.
811
00:33:33,912 --> 00:33:35,712
- This is generally
the vibe with Denise?
812
00:33:35,781 --> 00:33:40,183
- Mm-hmm.
- Well, got a lot of questions.
813
00:33:40,252 --> 00:33:42,419
But I just want to make sure
that I'm clear on everything
814
00:33:42,488 --> 00:33:43,920
that you told us yesterday.
815
00:33:43,989 --> 00:33:47,024
When you think about
yourself as Denise,
816
00:33:47,092 --> 00:33:49,626
that is who you are.
- Right. That's who I am.
817
00:33:49,695 --> 00:33:51,862
- That's your
authentic true self?
818
00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:52,929
- Right.
819
00:33:52,998 --> 00:33:54,297
- When you think
about David,
820
00:33:54,366 --> 00:33:55,732
so you think of David
as a character
821
00:33:55,801 --> 00:33:57,300
that you created
that represents
822
00:33:57,369 --> 00:33:59,569
perhaps some of your
feelings and interests?
823
00:33:59,638 --> 00:34:02,139
- I mean, David is a
character all his own.
824
00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:05,308
I mean, when...it's like
playing a part in a movie.
825
00:34:05,377 --> 00:34:08,078
You become the person
that you're portraying.
826
00:34:08,147 --> 00:34:12,416
So when I roleplay as being
David, I became David.
827
00:34:12,484 --> 00:34:18,422
- Sure, but when you're David,
do you love June and as David
828
00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:22,292
or do you feel
that across Denise?
829
00:34:22,361 --> 00:34:26,797
- As Denise, I'm not
attracted to women at all.
830
00:34:26,865 --> 00:34:28,832
- Okay, while we're
clearing things up,
831
00:34:28,901 --> 00:34:31,935
there is a David who
lives at this address.
832
00:34:32,004 --> 00:34:34,604
And so we were wondering, did
you register at this address
833
00:34:34,673 --> 00:34:37,274
to David in the past?
- Yes.
834
00:34:37,342 --> 00:34:39,676
- And when you started
portraying David, when you
835
00:34:39,745 --> 00:34:42,079
came up with the idea for
the character of David,
836
00:34:42,147 --> 00:34:45,615
what was kind of your beginning
interest in doing that?
837
00:34:45,684 --> 00:34:47,017
What was the draw?
838
00:34:47,086 --> 00:34:50,821
- Well, I started as,
um, the AOL chat rooms,
839
00:34:50,889 --> 00:34:52,823
and you're pretty
much anonymous,
840
00:34:52,891 --> 00:34:55,592
but I kept getting, like,
instant messages from all
841
00:34:55,661 --> 00:34:58,428
these men that wanted,
like, pictures
842
00:34:58,497 --> 00:35:00,163
and they wanted to
send me pictures.
843
00:35:00,232 --> 00:35:01,598
And that's not what
I wanted to do.
844
00:35:01,667 --> 00:35:07,537
So I put as my ASL, male,
and those instant
845
00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:09,506
messages stopped.
846
00:35:09,575 --> 00:35:11,608
- Right.
- That's how David was born.
847
00:35:11,677 --> 00:35:14,044
And that's why I created him.
848
00:35:14,113 --> 00:35:18,148
- And so you didn't create
the character because you were
849
00:35:18,217 --> 00:35:19,950
looking to roleplay as a man?
850
00:35:20,018 --> 00:35:21,551
- Right.
851
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:24,020
- You weren't trying to explore
gender fluidity for yourself?
852
00:35:24,089 --> 00:35:25,422
- Exactly.
853
00:35:25,491 --> 00:35:29,793
My gender identity as
Denise is I'm female.
854
00:35:29,862 --> 00:35:31,161
And I like men.
855
00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:33,063
- And so what does
that mean for David?
856
00:35:33,132 --> 00:35:35,632
- I don't know.
- Is David dying off?
857
00:35:35,701 --> 00:35:40,470
- I mean, I don't see
the sense in keeping him.
858
00:35:40,539 --> 00:35:42,672
- What about June?
859
00:35:42,741 --> 00:35:45,542
I mean, yesterday,
you know, you were saying
860
00:35:45,611 --> 00:35:47,244
that David loves...I mean...
861
00:35:47,312 --> 00:35:49,212
- I mean, that...
that part is true.
862
00:35:49,281 --> 00:35:51,781
David loves June.
Always has.
863
00:35:51,850 --> 00:35:54,217
- But not enough
to keep David forever.
864
00:35:54,286 --> 00:35:56,820
- I wouldn't want that anyways.
865
00:35:56,889 --> 00:36:00,090
If it's not real,
I don't want it.
866
00:36:02,794 --> 00:36:05,862
Even though I know
David was made up,
867
00:36:05,931 --> 00:36:08,732
it's like losing
a friend of 20 years,
868
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,301
that even though
it's not a real person,
869
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:16,106
it feels like it is, you know?
870
00:36:16,175 --> 00:36:19,843
Bigger part of me wants to
say thank you for the support
871
00:36:19,912 --> 00:36:21,378
over the years.
872
00:36:21,446 --> 00:36:24,114
The other part says,
"I'll see you in hell."
873
00:36:24,183 --> 00:36:26,850
- I mean, I am sorry.
874
00:36:26,919 --> 00:36:31,688
I mean, it was...it was never
my intention to hurt you.
875
00:36:31,757 --> 00:36:33,924
- Whoops.
876
00:36:36,595 --> 00:36:37,961
- I don't think that...
877
00:36:38,030 --> 00:36:40,931
I don't think
that's a good enough apology.
878
00:36:40,999 --> 00:36:44,034
- Why didn't he just let me go?
879
00:36:44,102 --> 00:36:46,269
Why didn't he just let me go?
880
00:36:48,941 --> 00:36:52,642
- Do you ever feel like
you're a character
881
00:36:52,711 --> 00:36:54,211
that you've created?
882
00:36:54,279 --> 00:36:56,479
- I know...I mean,
I know who I am.
883
00:36:56,548 --> 00:36:59,049
And I'm aware
that, you know, all
884
00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:00,951
these characters
that I will play,
885
00:37:01,019 --> 00:37:02,886
I know that they're
all made up.
886
00:37:02,955 --> 00:37:04,421
I create them all.
887
00:37:04,489 --> 00:37:05,822
- Characters, plural?
888
00:37:05,891 --> 00:37:08,558
So you've been other
people besides David?
889
00:37:08,627 --> 00:37:13,063
- So, um, I wasn't really
honest about something.
890
00:37:15,534 --> 00:37:19,402
With Deedee, um...
891
00:37:19,471 --> 00:37:22,005
I created her.
892
00:37:22,074 --> 00:37:25,475
And when you spoke on the
phone, that was also me.
893
00:37:26,912 --> 00:37:28,945
None of that was true.
894
00:37:29,014 --> 00:37:32,115
- This voice change,
it seriously sounded like
895
00:37:32,184 --> 00:37:34,284
two different people.
896
00:37:34,353 --> 00:37:36,953
- Well, that's 20 years of,
you know...
897
00:37:37,022 --> 00:37:39,756
- Yeah. Of practice.
[sniffles]
898
00:37:39,825 --> 00:37:42,859
- Are there any
other characters or...
899
00:37:42,928 --> 00:37:46,696
- I mean, over the years, I've
created so many characters,
900
00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:48,098
not just David.
901
00:37:48,166 --> 00:37:52,535
But there was, um, Leo,
and Simon, and Gavin,
902
00:37:52,604 --> 00:37:54,738
and Denise, and Markese...
903
00:37:54,806 --> 00:37:56,273
- Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on a second.
904
00:37:56,341 --> 00:37:59,175
Are you saying that Denise,
who we are talking to
905
00:37:59,244 --> 00:38:03,346
is a character?
You are in a role right now?
906
00:38:03,415 --> 00:38:04,514
- Right.
907
00:38:04,583 --> 00:38:07,684
- So your legal name
is not Denise.
908
00:38:07,753 --> 00:38:09,019
- Right.
909
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:13,223
- So then what is your name?
910
00:38:13,292 --> 00:38:15,725
- That's, uh...
- Okay, that's fine.
911
00:38:15,794 --> 00:38:17,894
You don't have to say anything,
but I'm...I'm putting
912
00:38:17,963 --> 00:38:19,229
it out there,
just for your sake.
913
00:38:19,298 --> 00:38:21,364
I just want to
make sure you know
914
00:38:21,433 --> 00:38:24,701
that Denise is also
a roleplay character
915
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:29,339
of whoever's
underneath Denise.
916
00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:33,877
- Whew. [bleep].
917
00:38:38,116 --> 00:38:39,482
- Sorry. I'm having a...
918
00:38:39,551 --> 00:38:41,484
hard time right now.
919
00:38:41,553 --> 00:38:44,054
June just poured her
heart out,
920
00:38:44,122 --> 00:38:47,290
explaining how devastating
this experience has been
921
00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:51,294
to find out that David hasn't
been real this whole time.
922
00:38:51,363 --> 00:38:54,764
This is 20 years of an adult
relationship with a woman
923
00:38:54,833 --> 00:38:56,132
who has been nothing but...
- Wow.
924
00:38:56,201 --> 00:38:58,935
- Nice and kind to you,
925
00:38:59,004 --> 00:39:00,337
and she went to
all this trouble
926
00:39:00,405 --> 00:39:01,771
to come down here
to get the truth
927
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,474
and you've told her
almost nothing true
928
00:39:04,543 --> 00:39:07,644
because you've been
talking to us as Denise.
929
00:39:10,782 --> 00:39:14,284
Well, it sounds to me
like this is it.
930
00:39:14,353 --> 00:39:15,752
- Yeah.
An ending of the chapter
931
00:39:15,821 --> 00:39:17,120
and closing a book.
- Yes.
932
00:39:17,189 --> 00:39:19,422
- Right.
- Okay.
933
00:39:19,491 --> 00:39:22,692
["Wicked Love" by
Naomi August playing]
934
00:39:22,761 --> 00:39:24,427
- You take care.
935
00:39:24,496 --> 00:39:26,696
- ♪ And I despise ♪
936
00:39:26,765 --> 00:39:29,899
♪ Your wicked love ♪
937
00:39:29,968 --> 00:39:31,534
- How you doing?
938
00:39:31,603 --> 00:39:32,869
- Feel empty.
939
00:39:32,938 --> 00:39:35,138
You know, it really sucks.
940
00:39:35,207 --> 00:39:37,874
I'm hollow inside right now.
941
00:39:37,943 --> 00:39:41,044
- Everything that you did
came from a place of love.
942
00:39:41,113 --> 00:39:42,879
You didn't do anything wrong.
943
00:39:44,249 --> 00:39:46,716
- Thank you for that.
944
00:39:46,785 --> 00:39:49,853
Well, whoever she is, may she
find peace within herself.
945
00:39:49,921 --> 00:39:52,856
- ♪ Your ♪
946
00:39:52,924 --> 00:39:55,658
♪ Your wicked love ♪
947
00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:56,860
- Hey.
- Hi.
948
00:39:56,928 --> 00:39:58,027
- How you doing?
- Hey, yo.
949
00:39:58,096 --> 00:40:00,196
- What's been going
on since we filmed?
950
00:40:00,265 --> 00:40:03,266
Have you and David
been in touch?
951
00:40:03,335 --> 00:40:05,235
- Yes.
- Ah.
952
00:40:05,303 --> 00:40:08,171
And...and you're in touch
with David not Denise?
953
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,173
- Right. When I left there,
954
00:40:10,242 --> 00:40:13,176
I had a lot of things I had to
process, and I went to bed.
955
00:40:13,245 --> 00:40:15,812
And when I woke up in the
morning, got a phone call.
956
00:40:15,881 --> 00:40:17,814
- Wow.
957
00:40:17,883 --> 00:40:19,916
- So we talked--we talked
for quite a while.
958
00:40:19,985 --> 00:40:23,686
And he told me that when he
saw me walk out that door,
959
00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:25,522
it was too much to take.
960
00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:29,058
And we've been talking
every day since.
961
00:40:29,127 --> 00:40:30,393
- I'm just confused.
962
00:40:30,462 --> 00:40:32,395
The last thing I remember
"David" saying
963
00:40:32,464 --> 00:40:35,698
was that he sort of was done
with the David character.
964
00:40:35,767 --> 00:40:38,735
- Now, you know, he says
he's David foremost,
965
00:40:38,804 --> 00:40:41,704
there's a lot that we
are working on together.
966
00:40:41,773 --> 00:40:44,107
Things don't progress
as we discuss it,
967
00:40:44,176 --> 00:40:47,110
then well, you know, I know
right where the door is.
968
00:40:47,179 --> 00:40:48,912
- I'm excited.
But I'm also a little wary.
969
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:51,848
But you seem like you're
at a good sort of place
970
00:40:51,917 --> 00:40:54,584
with all of this, and you know
what you're getting yourself
971
00:40:54,653 --> 00:40:56,052
into now moving forward.
- Exactly.
972
00:40:56,121 --> 00:40:57,287
- Good luck with everything
and hope things
973
00:40:57,355 --> 00:40:58,588
work out the way
you want them to.
974
00:40:58,657 --> 00:41:01,191
- Yes. It was a real pleasure
meeting you guys.
975
00:41:01,259 --> 00:41:02,225
- Yeah.
- We'll talk soon.
976
00:41:02,294 --> 00:41:03,393
- All right.
- Good luck.
977
00:41:03,462 --> 00:41:04,561
- All right.
- Bye.
978
00:41:04,629 --> 00:41:05,662
- Hey.
- Hey, David.
979
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:06,996
Good to see you.
980
00:41:07,065 --> 00:41:08,298
- Yeah, good seeing you too.
981
00:41:08,366 --> 00:41:09,732
- We just got off
with Motherwolff
982
00:41:09,801 --> 00:41:12,235
and heard some unexpected
but, I think,
983
00:41:12,304 --> 00:41:13,636
good news about you guys.
984
00:41:13,705 --> 00:41:15,805
- Yeah, well,
we started talking.
985
00:41:15,874 --> 00:41:17,740
And we are officially
a couple now,
986
00:41:17,809 --> 00:41:19,642
online as well as offline.
987
00:41:19,711 --> 00:41:21,144
- Whoa. Okay.
988
00:41:21,213 --> 00:41:23,313
So does that mean that you plan
on becoming
989
00:41:23,381 --> 00:41:27,150
or identifying as David
in a more permanent way?
990
00:41:27,219 --> 00:41:29,018
- Oh, yeah, definitely.
991
00:41:29,087 --> 00:41:30,820
That means I get to spend
the rest of my life with her,
992
00:41:30,889 --> 00:41:32,555
I'm going to do that.
- Wow.
993
00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:37,227
- So yeah, what do you
think inspired that change?
994
00:41:37,295 --> 00:41:40,797
- I mean, basically, we really
love each other and meeting
995
00:41:40,866 --> 00:41:43,900
face to face after 20 years,
I think it just
996
00:41:43,969 --> 00:41:46,402
made our bond much stronger.
997
00:41:46,471 --> 00:41:50,673
- So what started out as a
roleplay character became much
998
00:41:50,742 --> 00:41:52,775
more than that,
that you actually want
999
00:41:52,844 --> 00:41:55,245
to live your life as a man.
1000
00:41:55,313 --> 00:41:56,980
- Yeah, exactly.
- Nice.
1001
00:41:57,048 --> 00:41:58,948
- Wow.
- As long as I can live
1002
00:41:59,017 --> 00:42:02,418
my life with June,
yeah, definitely.
1003
00:42:02,487 --> 00:42:03,720
- That's awesome.
1004
00:42:03,788 --> 00:42:05,755
- Yeah, I did not...
I mean, I really
1005
00:42:05,824 --> 00:42:08,124
didn't expect to hear this.
1006
00:42:08,193 --> 00:42:09,492
But I'm very happy
for you guys.
1007
00:42:09,561 --> 00:42:11,494
- Well, it was kind of
an unexpected for me too.
1008
00:42:11,563 --> 00:42:12,795
- I'm really happy
you guys were
1009
00:42:12,864 --> 00:42:14,631
able to get to the
truth of it all
1010
00:42:14,699 --> 00:42:16,432
and evolve it into something
that sounds better.
1011
00:42:16,501 --> 00:42:17,667
- Yeah, exactly.
- Hell, yeah.
1012
00:42:17,736 --> 00:42:18,768
- Good talking to you.
1013
00:42:18,837 --> 00:42:20,169
- Thank you, David.
- Bye.
1014
00:42:22,507 --> 00:42:23,840
- CJ and I decided
to have a kid.
1015
00:42:23,909 --> 00:42:26,643
I had to screen the guy.
She knew when I ovulated.
1016
00:42:26,711 --> 00:42:28,444
She would be like, "You
need to meet up with him,"
1017
00:42:28,513 --> 00:42:30,547
and I would be like, "I don't
want to meet up with him."
1018
00:42:30,615 --> 00:42:32,415
- Honestly, this sounds
like a horror movie.
1019
00:42:32,484 --> 00:42:33,483
Oh!
- Holy [bleep].
1020
00:42:33,552 --> 00:42:35,952
- That's her.
- So creepy.
1021
00:42:36,021 --> 00:42:39,188
- Who knows what we're
getting ourselves into.
1022
00:42:39,257 --> 00:42:40,356
- CJ?