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Woman: ♪ I remember
when my hands were bound ♪
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♪ I was told to leave
this place behind ♪
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You know how I started
in law enforcement?
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Right out of high school
on a police explorer program.
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- Really?
- It's a great program.
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And I just can't imagine.
You know, you're 17.
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You wanna be a police officer,
and you wind up murdered,
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And the case
isn't solved for--
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Now we're going on 14 years
to the day almost.
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Yeah.
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Steve and I are here
in mississippi
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To investigate the tragic
2007 murder
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Of 17-year old salina mccoy.
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She was a fun, feisty teenager
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And was so excited
about her brand-new first car.
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She was also a member
of the police explorers program
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With the hopes
of maybe one day becoming a cop.
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This is really a dark case.
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I mean, you got
a 17-year-old girl.
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Wants to be a police officer,
which resonates with me,
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And she goes missing?
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So her dad goes out
looking for her.
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I can imagine that as a father,
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You're gonna go out and try
to search all of her haunts.
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- Pounding on doors.
- Start with the friends,
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And when she's not there,
what do you do?
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Late one night in August,
salina disappeared.
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Her father's search
led him to a local motel
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Where her boyfriend and some of
his friends were having a party,
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Acting strangely,
and claim they hadn't seen her.
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Two weeks later,
her body was found decomposed
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Near the railroad tracks.
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She had been strangled.
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Was it a party that went crazy?
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Were they mad at her?
Was she mad at all of them?
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It just feels like getting her
from where she's murdered
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To where her body is found
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Is gonna involve
probably more than one person.
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This is a tough case
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Because there is still so much
we just don't know
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About the last night
of salina's life,
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And there could be
multiple suspects involved.
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They might be unwilling to talk,
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And they might cover
for each other.
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Our hope right now lies
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In all those other witnesses
from the motel room that night,
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Because they might be the key
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To getting answers
and justice for her dad.
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Spingola: Somebody here knows
what happened.
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Oh, a lot of 'em know
because you know they talk.
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- Absolutely.
- Maybe they can tell us
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A whole bunch
of more information today.
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It has been 16 years
and still no answers...
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Police consider her killing
a cult killing...
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Years later,
the case is still unsolved...
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Siegler: I've chosen cold cases
from across the country
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And teamed up with the best
detectives to solve them.
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We're more determined than ever
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To bring justice
to these victims.
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- Hello.
- Hello. How are you?
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Fred shelton, chief of police,
columbus, mississippi.
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- Nice to meet you.
- I'm keith gaskin.
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- The newly elected mayor.
- Whoa. Newly elected.
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- And you must be rick.
- Yes. Captain rick jones.
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Sergeant eric lewis.
Nice to meet you.
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Nice to meet you.
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We're excited that you're here.
I told the mayor about it.
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He thought it was awesome idea.
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14 years old, this case.
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And so we really
wanna find closure
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For the family
and the citizens of columbus.
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This case is near and dear to us
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Because this young lady
was a police explorer.
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So it's like she was
a part of our family.
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Salina just threw herself
into the program.
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She was always here,
always participating.
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She was very smart.
She had dreams. She had goals.
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She'd say, "sergeant rick,
I'm gonna go to college.
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I'm gonna make
something of myself."
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- Show us our room.
- Let's get started.
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When I found out
about salina's death,
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I was sick about it.
Her death had a huge impact
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On the columbus
police department,
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And I would really like to see
some justice for salina.
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So, when you talked
to salina's dad, david,
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How does he describe his baby?
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That is his heart and soul.
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Very emotional about her.
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She was spunky.
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She was fun to be around
the weekend.
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She had a whole future
ahead of her.
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I know. I know.
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All right. What's the beginning
of the story, captain?
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She was living with her mother,
unfortunately, kind of loosely,
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But she was staying
with her boyfriend, j.R.
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Salina and j.R. Had
a very volatile relationship.
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We had people that had saw them
arguing on August 2, 2007,
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And then nobody saw her again.
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Okay.
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The mother
contacts salina's father.
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He immediately
starts getting out looking.
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There was a rumor
that she went to a hotel room,
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And he went
and checked that out.
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She wasn't there.
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They filed a police report
on a missing person.
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And everybody just thought
she just kinda ran away.
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The details of
salina's last day are scarce,
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And initially some people
thought that she just left town.
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But as the days went on
and nobody heard from her,
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Suspicions grew that something
terrible had happened.
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On August 14, 2007,
a young man let his dogs loose
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In the area
of the railroad tracks.
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They wouldn't come back,
so he went and looked for 'em,
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And that's when
he found salina's body.
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The body was
in really bad condition.
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It had been exposed
to the elements.
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It had been exposed
to animal activities.
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She had a rope and a scarf
around her neck.
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So that was the indication
that she was strangled.
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It's a brutal way to die.
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Salina's body was
so badly decomposed,
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It was impossible to figure out
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If there were
any signs of sexual assault
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Which may have helped
narrow down
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The possible pool of suspects.
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But we sent the ligatures
found on her neck off to the lab
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For dna testing,
and we're hoping for a break.
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The investigators
started running down leads,
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Talking to a lot of people
that was close to her,
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And everybody said
that something happened
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At the gilmer hotel.
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There was supposed to have been
a party that was going on,
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And there was supposed
to have been
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Some activity that happened.
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She was possibly strangled,
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And they transported her
from the hotel
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To the railroad tracks.
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Some of that's
hearsay and gossip
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And some of it's accurate.
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- We don't know yet, right?
- Right.
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But do you all feel like
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There's gonna be
at least a lot of people
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That know something
'cause they're all involved
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With what happened that night?
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Yes. They're either a part of it
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Or they were after the fact
helping dispose of the body.
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Did salina's boyfriend kill her
after their argument that night?
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Did she even
make it to the hotel?
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Did someone
at the party kill her,
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Help move her body
and then cover it up?
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How many people
are really involved?
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And why would they do it?
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There are a lot
of suspects in this case.
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Let's start out with j.R.
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- And his real name is...
- Anthony seals.
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He was 17.
He had a violent temper.
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He would hit her,
slap her around.
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I've seen them
arguing in the street.
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- Really?
- When I was on patrol.
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I had to chase him off.
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Spingola: He's got
an aggravated assault,
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Simple assault,
domestic violence.
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- Wow.
- At one point,
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J.R. Tells josh,
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"you tell 'em
I wasn't in the hotel."
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'cause he's trying to create
that alibi--not being there.
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According to j.R.'s friend,
josh,
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J.R. Asked josh to provide
a false alibi,
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Claiming he was out of town.
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Which makes me wonder
if j.R. Had something to hide.
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And according
to j.R.'s friend, deangelo,
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Jr. Was acting suspiciously
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On the night
that salina disappeared.
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Later on when it was dark,
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J.R. Left and went
to salina's house.
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J.R. Was gone
for about one or two hours.
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When he came back,
he was very shook up.
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- Peep gives our window.
- Yeah.
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All right, so that's--
that's our start with j.R.
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While many rumors point to j.R.
As the main suspect,
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We have to keep in mind
that a lot of our information
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Comes from his close friends
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Who were reportedly also
attracted to salina.
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May have been at the motel
that night
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And rumored to have been
involved themselves.
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Okay. So let's put up
deangelo fisher next.
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They include deangelo fisher.
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Spingola: At one point,
deangelo,
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He's with j.R. In jail.
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Jones: And deangelo told j.R.
To be quiet.
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Yeah. "if you say anything,
I'll kill you."
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And that could be deangelo
telling him to be quiet
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'cause deangelo's involved
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Or just telling home to be quiet
because, "dumb-ass, shut up.
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You're gonna get yourself
in trouble."
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Right.
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Josh clark.
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Spingola: He's a friend of j.R.
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Well, he's a friend
of both of them, right?
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Spingola: Yeah.
He likes salina.
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There's the story
that he gets rid of his car
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About a month or two later
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That may have been used
to transport salina
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To the dump site.
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We have a man
named solomon kelly
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Who goes by the nickname smooth.
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He was walking down the street,
half-naked, looking to the sky,
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Saying he was sorry
about salina's death.
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And, lastly, michael sparks.
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Michael sparks
is j.R.'s best friend.
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He also lies for j.R.,
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And he puts j.R.
In brooksville,
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I think to lie for him
that he was not here.
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"lies for j.R."
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We have a lot of little pieces
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That all by themselves
don't seem like a lot.
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Hopefully,
with the right witnesses
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From the motel party that night,
along with a little bit of luck,
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We can put them all together
and create a clear picture
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Of what happened that night
to salina.
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Woman:
♪ baby, I need some time alone ♪
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♪ to be by myself ♪
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When you heard
that her body was found
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And you realized
it was the girl that you knew,
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What'd you think?
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It made me sick, knowing
that her life was cut short
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And she didn't have
an opportunity to grow up.
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How any parent deals with this
is just beyond me.
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Salina's daddy tragically
lost his teen daughter,
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And on top of that,
he's had to suffer for 14 years
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Not knowing what happened to her
the last night of her life.
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I think it just makes
a parent so good to know
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That you're trying.
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You're always trying.
You never quit trying.
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- She's not forgotten.
- Right.
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Sadly, the ongoing strain
from the loss of her daughter
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Has been too much for
salina's mom, donna, to bear.
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So she's not gonna
be joining us today.
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- Hello there.
- How you doing?
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I'm kelly.
Very nice to meet you.
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But we're eager to sit down
with her dad, david,
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To talk to him about salina
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And our plan to try
and get him some answers.
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I just wanna start off
245
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With you just kind of sharing
what kind of person salina was.
246
00:10:34,402 --> 00:10:37,068
Well, she's a very
respectful young lady.
247
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She was all good and outgoing.
248
00:10:38,806 --> 00:10:41,339
She was friends with everyone.
249
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Willing to help anybody.
250
00:10:43,410 --> 00:10:45,009
She loved to do hair.
251
00:10:45,078 --> 00:10:47,946
She was an "a" student
in school.
252
00:10:48,014 --> 00:10:50,182
She always talked about
being a police officer.
253
00:10:50,383 --> 00:10:54,085
She just wanted to grow up and
be someone to help her family.
254
00:10:54,154 --> 00:10:57,890
I keep her urn
right on the shelf
255
00:10:58,091 --> 00:10:59,424
With her picture on it.
256
00:10:59,493 --> 00:11:04,095
I made promises to her
that I'm not gonna stop.
257
00:11:04,165 --> 00:11:07,966
Not gonna give up, you know,
until we get this case solved.
258
00:11:08,034 --> 00:11:11,502
She was a sweet child.
Sweet child.
259
00:11:11,571 --> 00:11:12,972
Break my heart, you know,
260
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For that to happen to her
at a young age.
261
00:11:15,109 --> 00:11:16,442
She didn't live her life.
262
00:11:16,643 --> 00:11:19,043
But I know I gotta
keep strong for her
263
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Because that was my baby.
264
00:11:21,381 --> 00:11:24,717
When I got the phone call
that she was missing,
265
00:11:24,918 --> 00:11:27,051
You know, I said, "well, maybe
she over a friend's house."
266
00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,054
Y'all started calling
all of her friends?
267
00:11:29,256 --> 00:11:30,255
Yes. Yes.
268
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It was a Friday night,
and no one had seen her.
269
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So at that time,
I went to the gilmer hotel,
270
00:11:37,397 --> 00:11:41,132
And I heard a lot of noise
in one room.
271
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When they open the door,
I seen j.R. In there.
272
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Siegler: Okay. Who else
did you see in there?
273
00:11:46,539 --> 00:11:47,939
It was several more peoples
in there.
274
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Look like
they were having a party.
275
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I say, "j.R., you seen salina?"
276
00:11:52,545 --> 00:11:54,613
He really didn't look me
dead in my face.
277
00:11:54,815 --> 00:11:56,882
He said,
"nah, I ain't seen her."
278
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Do you think that he was
telling you the truth?
279
00:11:58,618 --> 00:12:01,219
No. I didn't believe him.
I didn't believe him.
280
00:12:01,287 --> 00:12:02,286
- You didn't believe him.
- I know he know something.
281
00:12:02,356 --> 00:12:05,556
Siegler: It's clear
that salina's father believes
282
00:12:05,625 --> 00:12:08,826
That j.R. May have played
a part in salina's murder.
283
00:12:08,896 --> 00:12:10,561
But something's
not making sense.
284
00:12:10,630 --> 00:12:11,763
Okay, so I'm confused.
285
00:12:11,832 --> 00:12:15,767
We're thinking that everything
happened on August the 2nd.
286
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Which I think was a Thursday.
287
00:12:18,171 --> 00:12:20,238
So you got the call when?
288
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Friday.
289
00:12:21,174 --> 00:12:22,573
- The next day.
- The next day.
290
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So I had it wrong.
291
00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:26,043
This is a whole 24 hours
292
00:12:26,113 --> 00:12:28,713
After we think she's--
something's happened.
293
00:12:28,781 --> 00:12:32,251
We believe that salina
was killed on Thursday night,
294
00:12:32,452 --> 00:12:34,920
And her dad is talking
about Friday night.
295
00:12:35,121 --> 00:12:37,388
And I think that
that might mean the motel room
296
00:12:37,458 --> 00:12:39,992
And what happened inside
is pretty much irrelevant.
297
00:12:40,193 --> 00:12:42,961
We just lost
a whole world of witnesses.
298
00:12:52,204 --> 00:12:55,006
Okay, so I'm confused.
You got the call when?
299
00:12:55,742 --> 00:12:56,807
- Friday.
- The next day.
300
00:12:56,876 --> 00:12:58,276
- The next day.
- Okay.
301
00:12:58,344 --> 00:13:01,345
We just learned
that salina's dad
302
00:13:01,414 --> 00:13:04,016
Wasn't even aware of the fact
that she disappeared
303
00:13:04,217 --> 00:13:05,817
Until 24 hours later.
304
00:13:05,886 --> 00:13:10,088
And that's when his search
led him to that motel party.
305
00:13:10,156 --> 00:13:13,891
So whoever's in the motel room
at this point,
306
00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,693
It's not as crucial
as I was thinking.
307
00:13:15,695 --> 00:13:18,697
'cause I was thinking
he went knocking on the door
308
00:13:18,899 --> 00:13:21,299
The very night it happened,
but it's 24 hours later.
309
00:13:21,367 --> 00:13:25,169
Based on a lot of rumors,
we really wanted to think
310
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That the witnesses in the motel
room knew what happened.
311
00:13:28,309 --> 00:13:31,642
But now it feels like they had
nothing to do with our murder.
312
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Everything we can think of
to do, we're gonna try, okay?
313
00:13:34,048 --> 00:13:36,113
I really, really appreciate it.
314
00:13:36,182 --> 00:13:39,317
This case might be even harder
to solve than we thought.
315
00:13:39,385 --> 00:13:41,519
Thank you very much.
Thank you. Thank you.
316
00:13:41,589 --> 00:13:44,522
But we're just getting started,
and we're not gonna give up.
317
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Thank you.
318
00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:52,263
Siegler: Come on, lady.
You're doing all right today?
319
00:13:52,332 --> 00:13:53,532
Yeah, I'm doing great.
320
00:13:53,733 --> 00:13:55,000
These guys are all excited
to meet you.
321
00:13:55,201 --> 00:13:58,136
- Hi.
- Hey. I'm captain rick jones.
322
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Nice to meet you.
323
00:13:59,906 --> 00:14:02,607
Siegler: Salina was strangled
to death with two ligatures--
324
00:14:02,675 --> 00:14:05,410
Her own scarf
and a little piece of rope.
325
00:14:05,612 --> 00:14:08,579
So we've asked forensic
pathologist dr. Kathy pinneri
326
00:14:08,648 --> 00:14:12,351
To come in and share her insight
about her cause of death.
327
00:14:12,418 --> 00:14:14,785
I'll just give you some insight
on what I saw.
328
00:14:14,855 --> 00:14:17,856
So salina was found in a field
on August 14th
329
00:14:18,058 --> 00:14:21,559
About 12 days after she was
last known to be alive.
330
00:14:21,629 --> 00:14:23,628
She has advanced changes
of decomposition.
331
00:14:23,697 --> 00:14:26,965
And then there's evidence
of animal predation.
332
00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:28,400
That can be a very tricky thing
333
00:14:28,601 --> 00:14:31,235
Because some of them
have very sharp claws or teeth,
334
00:14:31,305 --> 00:14:34,373
And they can look
like incised or cut wounds.
335
00:14:34,574 --> 00:14:38,843
Like, down on her hip area,
there's a straight line.
336
00:14:38,912 --> 00:14:42,381
Pinneri: This was an injury
that happened before she died.
337
00:14:42,582 --> 00:14:45,450
It would undergo decomposition
faster than an intact area.
338
00:14:45,652 --> 00:14:49,186
If this were my case
and I was presented
339
00:14:49,255 --> 00:14:51,990
With determining the cause
and manner of death
340
00:14:52,192 --> 00:14:54,859
For this female
found out in the field
341
00:14:54,929 --> 00:14:56,994
With the ligatures
around her neck,
342
00:14:57,064 --> 00:14:59,196
I would classify
the cause of death
343
00:14:59,265 --> 00:15:00,933
As ligature strangulation.
344
00:15:01,134 --> 00:15:04,202
With the double ligatures,
345
00:15:04,270 --> 00:15:07,138
Would you consider this
to be an overkill?
346
00:15:07,208 --> 00:15:09,674
Because one of 'em
could've done it.
347
00:15:09,743 --> 00:15:11,809
One of them's very thin
and one of them's very broad.
348
00:15:11,878 --> 00:15:15,146
So they're going to have
different levels of compression.
349
00:15:15,216 --> 00:15:16,748
But the broader the ligature,
350
00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:18,950
The more spread out
the pressure's going to be.
351
00:15:19,153 --> 00:15:20,851
Maybe you're not
getting enough compression
352
00:15:20,921 --> 00:15:22,353
With the larger ligatures.
353
00:15:22,422 --> 00:15:24,422
And maybe you wanna use
the smaller ligature
354
00:15:24,490 --> 00:15:26,557
To actually compress
the blood flow better.
355
00:15:26,626 --> 00:15:30,429
And so, I wouldn't say overkill,
but it does kind of suggest
356
00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:33,364
That maybe there was a problem
with the first mechanism.
357
00:15:33,433 --> 00:15:36,100
Maybe you're not getting
full compression of both sides
358
00:15:36,169 --> 00:15:37,835
Of the carotid arteries.
359
00:15:37,905 --> 00:15:40,172
The fact that they went
and got a second one
360
00:15:40,373 --> 00:15:43,374
Goes to show deliberateness
and cold-bloodedness,
361
00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:44,843
And sure as hell
it shows intent.
362
00:15:45,045 --> 00:15:50,314
Now, on the broad scar, okay,
this is not working.
363
00:15:50,383 --> 00:15:53,718
So is she gonna be
so incapacitated
364
00:15:53,787 --> 00:15:56,188
That she's just gonna lay there
and wait for you to come back,
365
00:15:56,389 --> 00:15:59,524
Not try to get away,
or is there somebody else?
366
00:15:59,726 --> 00:16:02,393
- You have a helper.
- Well, that's a possibility.
367
00:16:02,463 --> 00:16:05,664
Siegler: We've sent
salina's ligatures off
368
00:16:05,865 --> 00:16:07,399
For touch dna analysis
369
00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,066
With the hope of identifying
370
00:16:09,136 --> 00:16:12,203
Which of our five suspects
may have touched the ligatures.
371
00:16:12,271 --> 00:16:15,740
It's a long shot,
but it could be the big break
372
00:16:15,809 --> 00:16:18,076
That this case
has needed for 14 years.
373
00:16:18,278 --> 00:16:20,078
If you're gonna find
something somewhere,
374
00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,581
That's gonna be where it is.
375
00:16:29,489 --> 00:16:31,088
This is greg merchant,
our coroner.
376
00:16:31,158 --> 00:16:32,423
- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
377
00:16:32,492 --> 00:16:34,458
We have ruled out
the idea and rumor
378
00:16:34,527 --> 00:16:37,162
That salina was killed
in that motel room
379
00:16:37,363 --> 00:16:39,964
And then transporting
to the railroad tracks.
380
00:16:40,033 --> 00:16:43,568
But it's still a mystery as
to how her body ended up here.
381
00:16:43,770 --> 00:16:45,569
It looks a lot different
than I thought it would.
382
00:16:45,771 --> 00:16:48,373
I'm feeling like it's way
more isolated than y'all said.
383
00:16:48,575 --> 00:16:52,043
Hopefully, with the local law,
along with the coroner,
384
00:16:52,112 --> 00:16:53,244
And our fresh set of eyes,
385
00:16:53,314 --> 00:16:57,114
We can come up with
a better idea and appreciation
386
00:16:57,184 --> 00:16:58,449
Of how she ended up here.
387
00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:02,320
Which way is it to where salina
lived with her mom, donna?
388
00:17:02,388 --> 00:17:04,789
About four blocks away,
through those trees.
389
00:17:04,857 --> 00:17:06,457
Back then, could you walk
right through the trees?
390
00:17:06,527 --> 00:17:07,391
Yes.
391
00:17:07,461 --> 00:17:10,061
You got a path
that crosses the tracks
392
00:17:10,129 --> 00:17:13,598
To an area over there,
and it's heavily traveled,
393
00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,200
And the tracks itself
are heavily traveled.
394
00:17:16,269 --> 00:17:18,936
Siegler: This area
by the railroad tracks
395
00:17:18,938 --> 00:17:22,441
Was a popular shortcut
for salina and our suspects.
396
00:17:22,642 --> 00:17:24,776
It was the perfect place
to dispose of her body
397
00:17:24,978 --> 00:17:26,978
Because it was hidden
and isolated
398
00:17:26,980 --> 00:17:29,346
But still easy to get to.
399
00:17:29,415 --> 00:17:31,615
She was over
in this tall grass
400
00:17:31,652 --> 00:17:33,884
About midway
of that grove of trees there.
401
00:17:33,953 --> 00:17:35,820
You think that's, what,
20 yards from us right now?
402
00:17:36,022 --> 00:17:37,355
- Yeah.
- Okay.
403
00:17:37,357 --> 00:17:39,356
You're thinking
that whoever brought her there
404
00:17:39,426 --> 00:17:41,492
Carried her directly
from where out here?
405
00:17:41,561 --> 00:17:44,228
Easiest way was access it
from warren street.
406
00:17:44,297 --> 00:17:45,896
They could have driven
to right here.
407
00:17:45,965 --> 00:17:48,300
But, you know, I don't know
that it's a proven fact
408
00:17:48,501 --> 00:17:49,834
Where she was killed.
409
00:17:49,902 --> 00:17:51,168
Right.
410
00:17:51,238 --> 00:17:53,238
It could easily have happened
right here.
411
00:17:53,439 --> 00:17:56,907
The button from her jeans
was found here,
412
00:17:56,976 --> 00:17:58,643
Away from the body.
413
00:17:58,845 --> 00:18:01,645
Like there was a struggle
that took place here.
414
00:18:01,714 --> 00:18:06,317
Also her flip-flops are found
up here close to the tracks.
415
00:18:06,385 --> 00:18:08,319
Right. I think
if she would've ran,
416
00:18:08,387 --> 00:18:09,587
Those flip-flops
would've came off
417
00:18:09,655 --> 00:18:10,521
If she's being chased out here.
418
00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:12,023
You think everything
happens here.
419
00:18:13,193 --> 00:18:14,025
And they could've just been
meandering through here.
420
00:18:15,261 --> 00:18:17,394
She's thinking there's
nothing unusual taking the path.
421
00:18:17,463 --> 00:18:19,664
So the whole worrying
about carrying a heavy body
422
00:18:19,866 --> 00:18:20,599
Or putting her
in the trunk of a car,
423
00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,933
We might not even need
to worry about.
424
00:18:23,002 --> 00:18:26,137
Walk up out here in the dark
and do what you're going to do
425
00:18:26,206 --> 00:18:27,404
And then continue walking.
426
00:18:27,473 --> 00:18:28,939
But you gotta have
a rope with you.
427
00:18:29,008 --> 00:18:31,075
Well, this was
a small-length rope,
428
00:18:31,145 --> 00:18:34,012
Something that could very easily
been put in a pocket.
429
00:18:34,213 --> 00:18:35,012
We considered the fact
430
00:18:35,081 --> 00:18:37,081
That salina
was murdered someplace else
431
00:18:37,149 --> 00:18:39,984
And then transported
to where her body was found.
432
00:18:40,054 --> 00:18:42,487
But the evidence suggests
a much simpler story--
433
00:18:42,689 --> 00:18:45,623
That salina was killed
while walking in that area.
434
00:18:45,691 --> 00:18:47,892
If that's the case, maybe
the fact that her friend josh
435
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,628
Got rid of his car
soon after the murder,
436
00:18:50,696 --> 00:18:52,163
It isn't as suspicious
as we thought.
437
00:18:52,231 --> 00:18:54,633
Siegler: Thank you very much
for coming out here.
438
00:18:54,834 --> 00:18:56,234
Thank y'all.
439
00:19:08,380 --> 00:19:09,448
- Hello.
- Hello.
440
00:19:10,183 --> 00:19:10,448
- I'm kelly.
- I'm jessica.
441
00:19:11,184 --> 00:19:11,749
- You're jessica.
- Tiffany.
442
00:19:12,652 --> 00:19:13,284
Miss tiffany.
Nice to meet y'all.
443
00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,286
You know me.
I'm with the police department.
444
00:19:16,055 --> 00:19:16,887
- This is steve.
- How you doing?
445
00:19:18,191 --> 00:19:20,324
We wanted to pass some questions
on that salina mccoy case.
446
00:19:20,394 --> 00:19:21,460
This is sergeant lewis again.
447
00:19:22,061 --> 00:19:24,729
Can I ask you a couple
of questions on salina mccoy?
448
00:19:24,797 --> 00:19:26,731
Many of the rumors
about salina's murder
449
00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:29,466
Involved her being killed
at a motel party,
450
00:19:29,535 --> 00:19:31,669
But we now know
that the motel room
451
00:19:31,738 --> 00:19:35,406
Actually happened 24 hours after
we believed that she was killed.
452
00:19:35,474 --> 00:19:37,041
We're just now getting
the opportunity
453
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:38,410
To re-look at some of the facts.
454
00:19:38,611 --> 00:19:40,511
Siegler: What we need
are witnesses
455
00:19:40,580 --> 00:19:43,548
Who saw or heard something
about the night before
456
00:19:43,583 --> 00:19:45,016
To piece together what happened
457
00:19:46,352 --> 00:19:48,820
And give us evidence to try
and confront the suspects with.
458
00:20:21,854 --> 00:20:23,854
The car you're thinking of
that got crushed,
459
00:20:23,924 --> 00:20:25,322
It belonged to smooth.
460
00:20:25,392 --> 00:20:27,325
I thought it belonged to josh.
461
00:20:29,462 --> 00:20:30,862
Deangelo fisher.
462
00:20:50,816 --> 00:20:52,850
Spingola: Who do you think
killed salina?
463
00:20:58,357 --> 00:21:00,025
Who did you hear that from?
464
00:21:00,226 --> 00:21:01,759
Yeah, somebody.
465
00:21:01,827 --> 00:21:04,561
Siegler: It's our first day
of talking to real witnesses.
466
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:06,630
Nobody's got any good, hard,
467
00:21:06,699 --> 00:21:08,432
Solid information
that's not a rumor.
468
00:21:08,501 --> 00:21:11,568
Nobody's ever asked
any questions
469
00:21:11,570 --> 00:21:15,072
Directly of anybody that
everybody thinks is involved.
470
00:21:15,275 --> 00:21:18,575
The hope was that they might
not have firsthand information,
471
00:21:18,645 --> 00:21:20,512
But there would be
a working theory
472
00:21:20,713 --> 00:21:23,247
That was kind of consistent
on what happened to salina,
473
00:21:23,283 --> 00:21:25,684
And we don't even have that.
474
00:21:28,988 --> 00:21:33,657
Knowing how guilty people feel,
knowing how guilty people are,
475
00:21:33,727 --> 00:21:36,994
You're gonna say something
eventually,
476
00:21:37,063 --> 00:21:39,897
And you're gonna have
to confide in somebody.
477
00:21:40,099 --> 00:21:41,799
Even if it's
because the next time
478
00:21:41,868 --> 00:21:43,534
Your next girlfriend
pisses you off,
479
00:21:43,604 --> 00:21:45,403
You say, "bitch, I'll do you
like I did salina."
480
00:21:45,471 --> 00:21:46,404
Right.
481
00:21:46,606 --> 00:21:48,138
Columbus police department
482
00:21:48,208 --> 00:21:50,074
Investigator katelyn hicks and I
483
00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:53,010
Are headed to talk to one
of our suspects, josh clark.
484
00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:56,680
He was friends with salina
and her boyfriend, j.R.
485
00:21:56,749 --> 00:21:59,149
Though some people say
he also had a crush on salina.
486
00:21:59,219 --> 00:22:00,585
All righty.
487
00:22:00,787 --> 00:22:03,120
We no longer believe
that a car was used
488
00:22:03,122 --> 00:22:04,655
To transport salina's body.
489
00:22:04,724 --> 00:22:06,958
So the rumor
that josh got rid of his car
490
00:22:07,159 --> 00:22:10,828
Shortly after her murder
may not be as relevant.
491
00:22:15,568 --> 00:22:17,467
Siegler: I hope this time
it's different.
492
00:22:17,504 --> 00:22:19,570
But we do have
a lot of questions
493
00:22:19,638 --> 00:22:21,705
Including why j.R.
Asked him to lie
494
00:22:21,775 --> 00:22:23,375
About where he was that weekend.
495
00:22:23,576 --> 00:22:26,243
We're pretty sure
salina gets murdered
496
00:22:26,312 --> 00:22:28,712
On Thursday August 2, 2007,
497
00:22:28,781 --> 00:22:33,183
And so our hope was that
sometime after she went missing,
498
00:22:33,253 --> 00:22:34,919
Before she's found,
499
00:22:34,987 --> 00:22:37,988
In those 12 days you
were hanging out with j.R.
500
00:22:38,058 --> 00:22:39,924
And he might have
told you something.
501
00:22:41,493 --> 00:22:42,660
Why not?
502
00:22:43,963 --> 00:22:47,132
Maybe there's some piece in here
that jogs your memory, okay?
503
00:22:47,333 --> 00:22:49,233
Look right here.
You're saying,
504
00:22:49,301 --> 00:22:51,035
"j.R. Was talking to me..."
505
00:23:16,162 --> 00:23:17,628
What'd she see in him?
506
00:23:19,298 --> 00:23:20,664
Okay.
507
00:23:21,834 --> 00:23:23,834
'cause he was abusive.
508
00:23:27,106 --> 00:23:30,574
So you never witnessed any kind
of abuse between the two?
509
00:23:30,644 --> 00:23:32,109
Right. Right.
510
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:34,778
Josh seems really forthcoming,
511
00:23:34,847 --> 00:23:37,582
And he seems to have
genuinely cared for salina,
512
00:23:37,783 --> 00:23:39,917
But he can't say anything
for sure
513
00:23:39,986 --> 00:23:41,986
About j.R.'s
possible involvement.
514
00:23:42,188 --> 00:23:43,822
Well, how about the name
michael sparks?
515
00:23:45,158 --> 00:23:46,156
Really?
516
00:23:47,226 --> 00:23:48,726
Some people say
he was j.R.'s best friend.
517
00:23:49,929 --> 00:23:51,095
Okay.
518
00:23:52,264 --> 00:23:54,532
So if there's anybody
that might know something...
519
00:23:54,734 --> 00:23:56,333
Some people say
520
00:23:56,402 --> 00:23:59,604
That you got your car crushed
right after this happened,
521
00:23:59,805 --> 00:24:02,039
And you hurried up
and sold your car.
522
00:24:09,181 --> 00:24:12,683
Though josh doesn't have much
in the way of concrete evidence,
523
00:24:12,751 --> 00:24:15,853
He does have a solid reason
for disposing of his car.
524
00:24:18,624 --> 00:24:20,624
Josh was very cooperative.
525
00:24:20,694 --> 00:24:23,027
He spoke with us
for over an hour,
526
00:24:23,229 --> 00:24:27,265
And he demonstrates no reason
for wanting to hurt salina.
527
00:24:27,466 --> 00:24:28,298
He didn't hold back.
528
00:24:28,368 --> 00:24:31,435
And when someone
demonstrates genuine effort
529
00:24:31,505 --> 00:24:33,704
To wanna help you, you can tell.
530
00:24:33,772 --> 00:24:35,773
There's so many rumors in
this case. That's the problem.
531
00:24:55,059 --> 00:24:57,761
Josh clark answered
every question we had.
532
00:24:58,864 --> 00:25:00,998
He wishes he knew more.
He doesn't know more.
533
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,268
Josh clark is rumored
to have been involved
534
00:25:03,469 --> 00:25:04,868
In salina mccoy's murder.
535
00:25:04,937 --> 00:25:07,337
He knew her
and the other suspects
536
00:25:07,406 --> 00:25:10,641
And allegedly got rid of his car
shortly afterwards.
537
00:25:10,709 --> 00:25:12,744
But in talking to him,
it's very clear
538
00:25:12,945 --> 00:25:15,545
That he was
a true, good friend to salina
539
00:25:15,615 --> 00:25:18,015
And only became guilty
by association.
540
00:25:18,083 --> 00:25:20,484
Everything that we've
been running across
541
00:25:20,553 --> 00:25:22,953
Has been rumors and innuendos,
542
00:25:23,022 --> 00:25:25,957
And we've been kinda knocking
them down left and right.
543
00:25:26,158 --> 00:25:28,025
I have no problems
eliminating josh at all.
544
00:25:28,093 --> 00:25:29,626
I'm in concurrence with that.
545
00:25:29,696 --> 00:25:31,829
Me, too. Let's take him off.
546
00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:34,431
It is satisfying
to once and for all
547
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,700
Eliminate josh as a suspect.
548
00:25:36,770 --> 00:25:38,970
Kind of feel bad
that he was even up here.
549
00:25:46,979 --> 00:25:49,147
Lewis: I think it's this house
with the big palm tree.
550
00:25:49,348 --> 00:25:50,714
This one here?
551
00:25:50,784 --> 00:25:52,116
We've eliminated one suspect,
552
00:25:52,318 --> 00:25:53,884
But we still have four
on our board.
553
00:25:53,886 --> 00:25:55,353
How you doing? Would you mind
sitting in the truck
554
00:25:55,554 --> 00:25:56,520
And answering some questions?
555
00:25:56,590 --> 00:25:58,189
You can sit in the front.
I'll sit in the back here.
556
00:25:59,458 --> 00:26:00,657
We tracked down one of salina's
best friends, gerrika.
557
00:26:01,393 --> 00:26:03,661
Hopefully, she knows something
more than just the town rumors.
558
00:26:03,729 --> 00:26:05,796
How would you describe salina?
559
00:26:09,001 --> 00:26:11,135
Do you remember the day
she went missing?
560
00:26:27,286 --> 00:26:29,888
Did you know
that her boyfriend--
561
00:26:45,070 --> 00:26:47,038
What was that over?
Do you know?
562
00:26:52,511 --> 00:26:53,511
- She was afraid of him?
- Mm-hmm.
563
00:26:53,713 --> 00:26:56,580
We've read reports of j.R.'s
abuse towards salina.
564
00:26:56,649 --> 00:26:59,516
But gerrika's account of him
threatening and choking her
565
00:26:59,585 --> 00:27:00,784
And salina wanting to leave him
566
00:27:00,853 --> 00:27:03,254
Paints him as more of a suspect
than we initially thought
567
00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:04,788
And adds a potential motive--
568
00:27:04,858 --> 00:27:06,357
That he didn't want salina
to leave him.
569
00:27:16,268 --> 00:27:18,402
Somebody
on the front porch already.
570
00:27:18,405 --> 00:27:21,371
We haven't found
any "night of" witnesses,
571
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,673
But often in cold cases,
572
00:27:23,742 --> 00:27:27,210
The best evidence comes from
right out of a suspect's mouth
573
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,278
After the murder.
574
00:27:28,348 --> 00:27:30,081
How you doing? What's up?
575
00:27:30,282 --> 00:27:32,951
We're hoping
that j.R.'s ex-girlfriends
576
00:27:33,152 --> 00:27:36,620
Can tell us more about his
allegedly abusive behavior
577
00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:39,223
And what he may have told them
578
00:27:39,291 --> 00:27:42,025
About the night his girlfriend,
salina, was killed.
579
00:27:42,094 --> 00:27:45,964
Tell me about your relationship
with j.R.
580
00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:58,508
Did he ever put his hands on you
or around your throat?
581
00:27:58,577 --> 00:28:00,811
He ever threaten to kill you?
582
00:28:05,317 --> 00:28:08,185
Siegler: What did he do to you?
583
00:28:08,253 --> 00:28:11,122
Okay, you're talking about,
like, smothering you?
584
00:28:13,792 --> 00:28:16,592
Spingola: The case
with salina mccoy,
585
00:28:16,595 --> 00:28:20,864
What do you know about the case?
586
00:28:20,934 --> 00:28:22,599
Siegler: Even though
he's your baby's daddy,
587
00:28:22,668 --> 00:28:24,835
You would tell us the truth?
588
00:28:26,872 --> 00:28:29,139
He ever tell you about salina,
what he did to her, beat her up?
589
00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:30,174
Mm-mmm.
590
00:28:31,176 --> 00:28:33,478
Siegler: These ex-girlfriends
of j.R.
591
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:37,215
Paint a pretty horrific picture
of his pattern of violence
592
00:28:37,416 --> 00:28:40,818
And domestic abuse before
and after salina's murder.
593
00:28:41,020 --> 00:28:43,220
Unfortunately,
they don't know anything
594
00:28:43,288 --> 00:28:46,457
About what happened to salina
from talking to j.R.
595
00:28:52,164 --> 00:28:54,097
That's
a neat-looking house, too.
596
00:28:54,167 --> 00:28:57,234
J.R.'s exes might not know
anything about salina,
597
00:28:57,302 --> 00:28:59,102
But we know one person
who does--
598
00:28:59,171 --> 00:29:00,872
His former best friend
and running mate,
599
00:29:01,073 --> 00:29:02,373
Suspect michael sparks.
600
00:29:03,843 --> 00:29:05,041
Yeah.
601
00:29:05,111 --> 00:29:06,844
How'd you figure that?
Somebody tell you?
602
00:29:07,046 --> 00:29:09,380
Michael initially told us
that j.R. Was out of town
603
00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:12,249
With another girlfriend
named vinadella, known as walla,
604
00:29:12,318 --> 00:29:13,984
On the weekend
salina was murdered,
605
00:29:14,052 --> 00:29:15,585
Which we know is not true.
606
00:29:15,655 --> 00:29:18,056
The real question is,
what's he gonna tell us today?
607
00:29:18,257 --> 00:29:20,858
We're trying to get down
and figure what happened.
608
00:29:33,339 --> 00:29:36,506
So, did you go to the party
at gilmer inn?
609
00:29:36,809 --> 00:29:39,076
J.R. Was there, right?
610
00:29:44,216 --> 00:29:45,416
Well, here's the deal.
611
00:29:45,617 --> 00:29:48,086
Mom reports salina missing
around August 2nd.
612
00:29:48,287 --> 00:29:50,755
We know by August 3rd
for sure she's missing.
613
00:29:50,956 --> 00:29:54,291
But vinadella says that j.R.
Doesn't show up to the 6th.
614
00:30:01,367 --> 00:30:03,134
Michael's story doesn't match
what we've heard.
615
00:30:03,335 --> 00:30:05,702
He's claiming that j.R.
And salina were broken up
616
00:30:05,771 --> 00:30:07,837
And that he was never actually
at the hotel that night.
617
00:30:07,906 --> 00:30:11,375
But, remember, salina's dad
actually saw j.R. At that hotel.
618
00:30:11,443 --> 00:30:13,643
J.R. Ever ask you
to lie for him?
619
00:30:13,713 --> 00:30:15,946
Would you lie for him?
620
00:30:22,988 --> 00:30:24,922
How violent were those fights?
621
00:30:27,226 --> 00:30:29,559
Did you ever just ask j.R.
What happened to salina?
622
00:30:32,130 --> 00:30:33,331
Did you hang around
with deangelo fisher?
623
00:30:33,532 --> 00:30:35,499
You think he might have had
a thing for salina?
624
00:30:41,540 --> 00:30:43,540
If this is solved and there's
other people involved,
625
00:30:43,609 --> 00:30:45,509
Everybody can get charged,
you understand this?
626
00:30:49,148 --> 00:30:50,881
Michael claims
not to know much.
627
00:30:50,949 --> 00:30:51,949
I'm not surprised
628
00:30:52,150 --> 00:30:52,816
Based on the fact
that he was a friend of j.R.,
629
00:30:52,885 --> 00:30:54,819
But I was certainly hoping
for more.
630
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:57,187
We'd like to solve this.
You know what I'm saying?
631
00:31:00,392 --> 00:31:01,592
The only thing
that I'm certain of right now
632
00:31:01,794 --> 00:31:04,361
Is that if michael knows more,
he's not gonna tell us today.
633
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:07,230
He was extremely relaxed,
calm, cool.
634
00:31:07,299 --> 00:31:10,434
Yep. I don't know
what to believe anymore.
635
00:31:20,179 --> 00:31:22,446
Take the second exit
on main street.
636
00:31:23,849 --> 00:31:24,248
We're on our way to talk to one
of the suspects in this case,
637
00:31:25,584 --> 00:31:27,785
Deangelo fisher, who's currently
incarcerated in a county jail.
638
00:31:30,923 --> 00:31:33,157
Deangelo allegedly had
a crush on salina,
639
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:36,393
But he also implicated
salina's boyfriend, j.R.,
640
00:31:36,595 --> 00:31:37,628
In her murder,
641
00:31:38,731 --> 00:31:39,931
Claiming that j.R. Left
for a few hours initially
642
00:31:40,966 --> 00:31:42,399
And then returned
looking extremely upset.
643
00:31:42,468 --> 00:31:44,301
We're running out
of potential leads,
644
00:31:44,504 --> 00:31:46,336
And we definitely need
some luck right now.
645
00:31:46,405 --> 00:31:49,807
First of all, the relationship
between j.R. And salina,
646
00:31:50,009 --> 00:31:52,676
Was it violent?
647
00:31:52,711 --> 00:31:54,811
Did you ever see him hit her?
648
00:31:55,614 --> 00:31:57,681
- Did you have sex with her?
- Hell, nah.
649
00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:58,749
- Just asking.
- No.
650
00:31:58,951 --> 00:32:00,350
- Nothing?
- No.
651
00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:01,619
We don't--no.
652
00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:04,154
If you were us, who would
you look at as a suspect?
653
00:32:06,625 --> 00:32:07,824
You?
654
00:32:09,061 --> 00:32:10,694
Have you ever asked j.R.
If he killed her?
655
00:32:10,763 --> 00:32:11,829
- Nah.
- No?
656
00:32:12,031 --> 00:32:13,096
Like everyone else
we've spoken to,
657
00:32:13,565 --> 00:32:16,099
Deangelo never confronted j.R.
About salina's murder.
658
00:32:16,302 --> 00:32:18,636
Is that based on the fact
that he knows j.R. Is involved
659
00:32:18,837 --> 00:32:19,903
In the death of salina?
660
00:32:19,971 --> 00:32:21,439
The fact
that he doesn't wanna know?
661
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,307
Or the fact
that he's afraid of j.R.?
662
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:25,108
At this point,
I just don't know.
663
00:32:25,177 --> 00:32:27,178
You gave a statement
around that time
664
00:32:27,379 --> 00:32:28,678
J.R. Left for a little while
and he comes back
665
00:32:28,714 --> 00:32:30,180
And he looks all shook up
666
00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:32,348
And you gotta smoke some dope
with him to calm him down.
667
00:32:32,384 --> 00:32:34,518
You don't think
that it had any relation
668
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,487
When he left to go kill her
and came back to you guys?
669
00:32:39,458 --> 00:32:41,859
Lewis: He's so shook up
you guys smoke.
670
00:32:42,061 --> 00:32:45,329
So, what you think on that?
I mean, just--I mean, come on.
671
00:32:56,141 --> 00:32:58,408
I know that's your boy.
You know what I'm saying?
672
00:32:58,477 --> 00:33:00,544
I know y'all was close,
but, I mean--
673
00:33:00,746 --> 00:33:01,578
I mean...
674
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,367
We need to call and get our
dna results if y'all want to.
675
00:33:24,437 --> 00:33:25,903
- Sure.
- And we need it, man.
676
00:33:26,105 --> 00:33:28,105
We need some dna here.
677
00:33:28,173 --> 00:33:31,508
We have a case filled
with rumors and hearsay,
678
00:33:31,576 --> 00:33:34,712
And no one can give us
a firsthand account
679
00:33:34,913 --> 00:33:37,447
Of what happened that night
with admissible evidence.
680
00:33:37,517 --> 00:33:39,683
[line ringing]
681
00:33:41,853 --> 00:33:43,053
If we're gonna make something
happen,
682
00:33:43,122 --> 00:33:46,190
We really need good news
from the lab.
683
00:34:00,539 --> 00:34:04,808
It's heartbreaking that neither
one of our murder weapons
684
00:34:04,877 --> 00:34:07,144
Gave us any dna results.
685
00:34:07,346 --> 00:34:08,812
Okay, miss emily,
thank you very much.
686
00:34:08,881 --> 00:34:10,081
Thank you.
687
00:34:10,282 --> 00:34:13,883
What was already a tough case
just got a heck of a lot harder.
688
00:34:13,952 --> 00:34:16,319
I was hoping for a miracle.
689
00:34:16,321 --> 00:34:18,288
So was I.
We needed a miracle.
690
00:34:25,564 --> 00:34:27,230
Jones: Y'all wanna go down
to the police station
691
00:34:27,299 --> 00:34:28,331
Where it's cooler?
692
00:34:31,703 --> 00:34:34,704
Put him up here.
Let's get this going.
693
00:34:34,773 --> 00:34:37,907
We finally tracked down our
main suspect in this case--j.R.
694
00:34:37,976 --> 00:34:39,709
And while I would have loved
to have interviewed him
695
00:34:39,778 --> 00:34:42,378
In an interrogation room
to observe his body language,
696
00:34:42,447 --> 00:34:43,981
I can't give up this chance
right now
697
00:34:44,183 --> 00:34:44,981
To interview him
in this truck.
698
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:48,051
Jones: We're looking
at salina's case.
699
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:50,453
Whose name keeps popping up?
700
00:34:50,522 --> 00:34:52,188
Everything we've heard
about j.R.
701
00:34:52,258 --> 00:34:54,959
Points to him being
an abusive, violent boyfriend.
702
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,426
But we need j.R.'s account
703
00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:58,996
Of what happened the night
we believed salina disappeared.
704
00:35:15,814 --> 00:35:16,713
Mm-hmm.
705
00:35:24,756 --> 00:35:26,690
Did you go looking
for her at all?
706
00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:32,762
Were you in love with her?
707
00:35:32,832 --> 00:35:34,764
Did you go to the funeral?
708
00:35:34,834 --> 00:35:36,399
For a girl you loved.
709
00:35:43,442 --> 00:35:45,842
When you used
to physically fight with salina,
710
00:35:45,911 --> 00:35:47,544
Did you ever punch her?
711
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:50,213
What'd you do?
712
00:35:59,858 --> 00:36:01,791
What if I told you
we talked to a couple of women
713
00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:04,260
Who told us that salina told 'em
that you choked her out
714
00:36:04,330 --> 00:36:07,398
Till she passed out one time?
Would that be a lie?
715
00:36:21,813 --> 00:36:24,348
Did you ever threaten
to kill her? Never.
716
00:36:24,549 --> 00:36:27,150
What about the fact
that joshua clark told us
717
00:36:27,219 --> 00:36:28,017
That you asked him
to lie for you,
718
00:36:28,086 --> 00:36:29,752
And say that you were
at walla's house
719
00:36:29,822 --> 00:36:31,588
The night
that this incident happened
720
00:36:31,656 --> 00:36:34,358
That she went missing?
Would that be a lie?
721
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:36,293
Well, how come walla told us
you never showed up
722
00:36:36,494 --> 00:36:37,893
Until August 6th?
723
00:36:37,896 --> 00:36:39,762
And she went missing
on August 7th.
724
00:36:39,832 --> 00:36:41,431
Is walla lying, too?
725
00:36:44,169 --> 00:36:46,603
It sure doesn't add up.
We got some problems with it.
726
00:36:46,671 --> 00:36:49,505
J.R. Isn't shy about admitting
that he initially chokes salina
727
00:36:49,575 --> 00:36:51,641
To the point
that she almost passed out.
728
00:36:51,711 --> 00:36:54,043
Still, without any hard evidence
to bring him in,
729
00:36:54,112 --> 00:36:56,446
Our best bet is getting him
to make a confession
730
00:36:56,516 --> 00:36:57,647
About this case right now.
731
00:36:57,717 --> 00:37:00,050
So, you know,
if I had a young girl,
732
00:37:00,252 --> 00:37:02,051
She's out there telling people
that you don't have a job,
733
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,188
You're a loser, bad clothes,
she embarrasses you,
734
00:37:05,257 --> 00:37:06,522
One day
you're just gonna get fed up
735
00:37:06,591 --> 00:37:07,992
With that [bleep]
from this bitch.
736
00:37:08,193 --> 00:37:09,525
True or false.
737
00:37:09,595 --> 00:37:12,795
And one day you're
gonna hit her. True or false.
738
00:37:12,864 --> 00:37:14,831
And one day
you're gonna grab a rope
739
00:37:14,901 --> 00:37:16,666
And put it around her throat
740
00:37:16,736 --> 00:37:18,602
And just twist it
until she shuts up.
741
00:37:18,804 --> 00:37:22,872
And then sometimes that goes
too far. True or false.
742
00:37:22,942 --> 00:37:24,607
Oh, false. Okay.
743
00:37:24,676 --> 00:37:28,679
Jones: Can you understand how
sensitive the neck is, right?
744
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,847
Accidents happen.
745
00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:35,685
Spingola: If you made a mistake,
746
00:37:35,755 --> 00:37:38,421
Now's the time
to sit down and say it.
747
00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:41,324
Life in prison
versus an accident.
748
00:37:56,942 --> 00:38:00,578
So, deangelo says j.R. Never
made any admissions to him.
749
00:38:01,313 --> 00:38:02,378
- Right.
- Did deangelo say
750
00:38:02,448 --> 00:38:04,113
He ever asked j.R.?
751
00:38:04,183 --> 00:38:06,050
- Did not ask.
- Nobody asked.
752
00:38:06,251 --> 00:38:07,717
Salina's case is tough
753
00:38:07,787 --> 00:38:10,820
With multiple suspects
who happen to be friends,
754
00:38:11,022 --> 00:38:13,256
Who haven't given us
any new information.
755
00:38:13,325 --> 00:38:16,459
Now we need to figure out
where this case stands today.
756
00:38:16,528 --> 00:38:19,829
Based on the interview you did
with deangelo fisher yesterday,
757
00:38:19,898 --> 00:38:21,831
Do you believe
that deangelo fisher
758
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:24,000
Is involved
in the murder of salina?
759
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:26,469
With his demeanor
and the way he talked about her,
760
00:38:26,538 --> 00:38:27,871
I don't think he had
anything to do with it.
761
00:38:27,939 --> 00:38:29,672
We asked him,
"did you kill salina?"
762
00:38:29,741 --> 00:38:31,074
"hell, nah." he said, "I had
a girlfriend," and all that.
763
00:38:32,411 --> 00:38:34,143
He said, you know, salina wasn't
kicking it with anybody else.
764
00:38:34,213 --> 00:38:35,478
It was just j.R.
765
00:38:35,548 --> 00:38:36,980
- You wanna take him off?
- I do.
766
00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:40,316
Jones: I don't think he had a
direct knowledge of this murder.
767
00:38:40,386 --> 00:38:42,620
Deangelo fisher
was quite a bit older
768
00:38:42,821 --> 00:38:45,688
Than this gang of friends and
had his own life at the time.
769
00:38:45,757 --> 00:38:48,958
And while we believe
that he was in the neighborhood
770
00:38:49,028 --> 00:38:50,293
When salina was killed,
771
00:38:51,596 --> 00:38:53,530
We did not find any evidence
that showed that he was involved
772
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,632
Or in any way participated
in a cover-up.
773
00:38:56,701 --> 00:38:59,235
Michael sparks,
j.R.'s best friend.
774
00:38:59,304 --> 00:39:02,171
Don't discount that sparks
was good friends with salina.
775
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,707
It isn't like
his only loyalty is to j.R.
776
00:39:04,776 --> 00:39:07,778
We know that michael sparks
lied for j.R.
777
00:39:07,979 --> 00:39:10,046
About his alibi that weekend.
778
00:39:10,115 --> 00:39:13,416
But like deangelo,
we did not find any evidence
779
00:39:13,418 --> 00:39:15,885
That suggests that he was
involved in salina's murder.
780
00:39:15,954 --> 00:39:17,687
I got no problems
with taking him off.
781
00:39:17,756 --> 00:39:19,455
- Captain?
- I'm not gonna have no problem.
782
00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:21,057
- Sarge?
- Yeah, I'm good with it.
783
00:39:21,126 --> 00:39:22,826
All right. Michael sparks.
784
00:39:22,895 --> 00:39:27,530
Unfortunately, we were not able
to talk to smooth this week,
785
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,132
But we were able
to talk to his mom
786
00:39:29,135 --> 00:39:31,535
Who confirmed for us
that he is currently
787
00:39:31,736 --> 00:39:34,070
In a mental health institution
out of state.
788
00:39:34,271 --> 00:39:37,573
Because of all
the still unanswered rumors
789
00:39:37,642 --> 00:39:40,076
And speculation about smooth
all over this town,
790
00:39:40,277 --> 00:39:42,513
He has to stay
on the suspect board.
791
00:39:42,714 --> 00:39:45,081
All right. Talking about j.R.
792
00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:48,117
If we're gonna build our case
against j.R.,
793
00:39:48,186 --> 00:39:49,819
What's your first thing
you're gonna throw in the mix?
794
00:39:49,888 --> 00:39:51,554
The history
of domestic violence.
795
00:39:51,624 --> 00:39:53,423
He even demonstrates in the car,
796
00:39:53,491 --> 00:39:55,392
With the captain,
how he choked her.
797
00:39:58,163 --> 00:40:00,162
Then you got
this one-to-two-hour window.
798
00:40:00,164 --> 00:40:01,564
If you kill somebody,
you ain't coming back
799
00:40:01,634 --> 00:40:02,899
And gonna have
the same demeanor.
800
00:40:02,968 --> 00:40:04,501
He's all shook up.
801
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,239
So we got the window.
802
00:40:09,441 --> 00:40:11,375
You have a witness,
803
00:40:11,576 --> 00:40:13,377
But the witness
is deangelo fisher,
804
00:40:13,578 --> 00:40:15,578
Sitting behind bars
locked up right now.
805
00:40:15,648 --> 00:40:18,515
It's unfortunate
when a witness in a case
806
00:40:18,583 --> 00:40:20,449
Also happens to be behind bars,
807
00:40:20,518 --> 00:40:23,719
Because their word just doesn't
carry the same credibility
808
00:40:23,789 --> 00:40:25,121
As other witnesses might.
809
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:28,791
Do we think that there's
enough probable cause
810
00:40:28,861 --> 00:40:33,396
To ask a d.A. To file
a murder case against j.R.
811
00:40:33,465 --> 00:40:35,064
For the murder of salina?
812
00:40:35,134 --> 00:40:37,667
Not where we at now.
We don't meet that threshold.
813
00:40:37,735 --> 00:40:40,469
We gotta have somebody
in the circle...
814
00:40:40,538 --> 00:40:42,072
- I know.
- ...To push it over the edge.
815
00:40:42,273 --> 00:40:45,141
If a brand-new person
comes in and says
816
00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:47,378
"he told me he did it"
817
00:40:47,579 --> 00:40:50,713
That's credible,
that's not an ex-con,
818
00:40:50,748 --> 00:40:52,750
Then maybe
you can get somewhere.
819
00:40:52,951 --> 00:40:55,885
We worked so hard
to try and find somebody
820
00:40:55,955 --> 00:40:57,487
In salina's world
821
00:40:57,555 --> 00:40:59,722
Who knew something factual
and concrete
822
00:40:59,791 --> 00:41:02,191
About the night she was killed,
823
00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:04,027
And we found very little.
824
00:41:04,095 --> 00:41:06,696
Unfortunately,
we are still missing
825
00:41:06,764 --> 00:41:08,497
Critical pieces of evidence
826
00:41:08,566 --> 00:41:10,100
That might have pushed
this case forward.
827
00:41:20,045 --> 00:41:22,178
What do you think you're
gonna tell salina's dad?
828
00:41:22,247 --> 00:41:23,480
We've done our best.
829
00:41:24,849 --> 00:41:26,515
And columbus police department,
we're not through with this.
830
00:41:26,584 --> 00:41:28,851
You know,
it hurts me to this day
831
00:41:28,921 --> 00:41:31,722
That I can't give
a proper conclusion.
832
00:41:31,923 --> 00:41:33,457
- Justice.
- Right.
833
00:41:33,658 --> 00:41:37,326
It's devastating that we're
not able to bring good news
834
00:41:37,395 --> 00:41:38,928
To salina's daddy.
835
00:41:38,963 --> 00:41:40,863
But the columbus
police department
836
00:41:40,933 --> 00:41:42,865
Is gonna keep hope alive for him
837
00:41:42,934 --> 00:41:46,135
That maybe one day
they can solve salina's case.
838
00:41:46,204 --> 00:41:49,005
The only way I'm gonna be able
to tell you about it
839
00:41:49,074 --> 00:41:50,873
Is gonna be truthful
and straightforward.
840
00:41:50,942 --> 00:41:55,411
We have put in a lot of time.
We've talked to a lot of people.
841
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,816
But at this point, we still
don't have enough probable cause
842
00:42:00,885 --> 00:42:03,553
To carry this over
to a district attorney
843
00:42:03,622 --> 00:42:05,955
To get an indictment.
844
00:42:06,025 --> 00:42:08,724
Whew!
845
00:42:08,726 --> 00:42:11,461
The last person seen
with salina is j.R.
846
00:42:12,897 --> 00:42:15,298
- Have y'all questioned him?
- Jones: Oh, yeah.
847
00:42:15,366 --> 00:42:17,300
- Hard.
- Very hard.
848
00:42:17,369 --> 00:42:19,335
Every single name in the file.
849
00:42:19,337 --> 00:42:21,571
And every time those people
gave us another name,
850
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,373
- We talked to them.
- Mm-mm-mm.
851
00:42:24,443 --> 00:42:26,242
I'm sorry, mr. Hudgins.
852
00:42:26,443 --> 00:42:30,981
Lord, I promised my baby
that we'd solve the case.
853
00:42:31,182 --> 00:42:32,448
I think you need
to tell your baby
854
00:42:32,517 --> 00:42:33,983
You're gonna keep trying.
855
00:42:34,053 --> 00:42:36,186
- Yeah, I'm gonna keep trying.
- And the good thing is
856
00:42:36,387 --> 00:42:37,720
He's gonna keep trying.
857
00:42:37,788 --> 00:42:39,288
Maybe 'cause all this
is stirred up,
858
00:42:39,357 --> 00:42:41,257
One of those women now
are going, "you know what?
859
00:42:41,326 --> 00:42:43,192
That baby deserves justice,
860
00:42:43,261 --> 00:42:45,128
And I'm gonna come knock on
his door and tell what I know."
861
00:42:45,330 --> 00:42:47,264
Hopefully,
somebody'll come forward.
862
00:42:47,465 --> 00:42:48,866
That's right.
863
00:42:49,067 --> 00:42:50,866
David: I know she's here now.
864
00:42:50,935 --> 00:42:52,601
She knows what's going on.
865
00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:55,271
But, you know, I'm gonna tell
her we're not gonna give up.
866
00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:58,742
We're gonna keep on.
We just want some answers.
867
00:42:58,943 --> 00:43:01,944
I want justice for salina.
868
00:43:02,013 --> 00:43:04,214
I wish we could've given you
better news.
869
00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:05,915
I appreciate everything
y'all done.
870
00:43:06,117 --> 00:43:08,151
- I know you do.
- I appreciate everything.
871
00:43:08,219 --> 00:43:09,952
I'm pretty sure right now
he's thinking
872
00:43:10,021 --> 00:43:11,854
Just like
we would all be thinking--
873
00:43:11,924 --> 00:43:13,856
That he can't believe
we didn't get there.
874
00:43:13,925 --> 00:43:15,625
How come his baby's case
isn't solved?
875
00:43:15,694 --> 00:43:17,760
Where is his justice?
876
00:43:17,830 --> 00:43:20,296
And, uh, I think
we all understand that.
877
00:43:20,366 --> 00:43:22,131
He's not gonna give up.
878
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,534
Oh, we're not gonna give up.
We're not gonna give up.
879
00:43:24,602 --> 00:43:26,904
- That's right.
- Thank you.
880
00:43:27,105 --> 00:43:29,772
Maybe all this,
restarting it again,
881
00:43:29,842 --> 00:43:31,574
Will bring
a brand-new witness forward.
882
00:43:31,776 --> 00:43:33,109
You never know.
We can only hope.
883
00:43:33,178 --> 00:43:35,978
And that's all he got left to do
is just hope.
884
00:43:36,047 --> 00:43:38,916
♪ I know it won't
always be this hard ♪
885
00:43:39,117 --> 00:43:42,318
I'm not gonna give up.
886
00:43:42,388 --> 00:43:44,353
♪ I know ♪
887
00:43:44,422 --> 00:43:47,623
♪ it won't always break
your heart ♪