1 00:00:19,386 --> 00:00:20,419 ♪ whoa, who-oh-oh ♪ 2 00:00:21,055 --> 00:00:23,321 ♪ whoa-oh-oh ♪ 3 00:00:23,391 --> 00:00:26,324 ♪ rise up from the ashes ♪ 4 00:00:26,393 --> 00:00:27,927 ♪ whoa-oh-oh ♪ 5 00:00:28,129 --> 00:00:30,196 ♪ whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh ♪ 6 00:00:30,398 --> 00:00:33,265 ♪ rise up from the ashes ♪ 7 00:00:33,333 --> 00:00:35,234 How many arson cases have you worked, steve? 8 00:00:35,437 --> 00:00:37,503 You know, arsons are an interesting crime. 9 00:00:37,705 --> 00:00:39,471 They're hard to work. The fire department 10 00:00:39,541 --> 00:00:41,740 Destroys half of the evidence, and then to try to go back 11 00:00:41,809 --> 00:00:43,809 Into these places and walk around... 12 00:00:43,877 --> 00:00:46,144 Thank god her wounds are obvious enough 13 00:00:46,214 --> 00:00:48,413 To where arson isn't the cause of death. 14 00:00:48,482 --> 00:00:50,816 Steve and I are here in south carolina 15 00:00:50,885 --> 00:00:52,951 To investigate the shocking murder 16 00:00:53,021 --> 00:00:54,187 Of debra chisolm. 17 00:00:54,388 --> 00:00:57,089 Late one night back in 2007, 18 00:00:57,158 --> 00:00:58,723 Deborah was attacked in her home, 19 00:00:58,792 --> 00:01:01,794 Bludgeoned and stabbed to death seven times 20 00:01:01,996 --> 00:01:05,431 Before her killer poured gasoline on her body 21 00:01:05,633 --> 00:01:08,267 And burned her home practically to the ground. 22 00:01:08,302 --> 00:01:11,069 We know debra was 44 when this happened. 23 00:01:11,138 --> 00:01:14,339 She took in her niece and nephew to live with her. 24 00:01:14,408 --> 00:01:17,576 She had a lot of friends. Normal social life, right? 25 00:01:17,644 --> 00:01:19,044 Did you consider her a high-risk victim? 26 00:01:19,113 --> 00:01:20,780 -Absolutely not. -Thirteen years 27 00:01:20,981 --> 00:01:23,983 Before the murder happened, debra's sister passed away, 28 00:01:24,185 --> 00:01:26,918 So as a result of that, debra took in to raise 29 00:01:26,987 --> 00:01:29,154 Along with her own daughter taineisha, 30 00:01:29,223 --> 00:01:31,857 Her nephew dwayne and her niece sakeena. 31 00:01:31,925 --> 00:01:34,192 At the time of the murder, they were both grown 32 00:01:34,262 --> 00:01:35,927 And had just recently moved out. 33 00:01:35,996 --> 00:01:38,063 But when the smoke cleared, the investigators 34 00:01:38,131 --> 00:01:40,799 Started hearing rumors that debra's death 35 00:01:40,868 --> 00:01:43,869 May have been the result of an old family grudge. 36 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:47,005 Debra's friends, girlfriends and coworkers, 37 00:01:47,075 --> 00:01:50,408 She shared a lot about her relationship with her niece 38 00:01:50,477 --> 00:01:52,344 And nephew and daughter. Did they love each other? 39 00:01:52,414 --> 00:01:54,147 Did they hate each other? What was the issue? 40 00:01:54,348 --> 00:01:55,347 What was the problem, right? 41 00:01:55,415 --> 00:01:58,083 [steve] I got decades of experience with arson cases, 42 00:01:58,151 --> 00:01:59,551 And they're always a challenge. 43 00:01:59,620 --> 00:02:01,453 If we're going to solve debra's, we can't focus on 44 00:02:01,456 --> 00:02:02,555 On the evidence that was lost. 45 00:02:02,756 --> 00:02:05,157 We have to focus on the evidence that we still have-- 46 00:02:05,226 --> 00:02:07,092 The neighbors, cell phone records, 47 00:02:07,161 --> 00:02:09,896 The witnesses, and the actual suspects themselves. 48 00:02:10,097 --> 00:02:12,097 -I think it's a great case. -[man] why? 49 00:02:12,167 --> 00:02:14,499 There's still a lot of questions here about this arson. 50 00:02:14,568 --> 00:02:16,035 ♪ whoa-oh-oh-oh ♪ 51 00:02:16,237 --> 00:02:19,905 ♪ rise up from the ashes ♪ 52 00:02:19,907 --> 00:02:21,940 It has been 16 years and still no answers... 53 00:02:21,976 --> 00:02:23,742 Police consider her killing a cult killing... 54 00:02:23,812 --> 00:02:25,811 Years later, the case is still unsolved... 55 00:02:27,815 --> 00:02:30,916 I've chosen cold cases from across the country 56 00:02:30,985 --> 00:02:33,819 And teamed up with the best detectives to solve them. 57 00:02:38,058 --> 00:02:39,791 We're more determined than ever 58 00:02:39,860 --> 00:02:42,227 To bring justice to these victims. 59 00:02:44,131 --> 00:02:52,338 ♪♪♪ 60 00:02:52,539 --> 00:02:53,338 -Good morning. -Hi. 61 00:02:53,340 --> 00:02:54,573 I'm interim chief george miller. 62 00:02:55,609 --> 00:02:55,674 -Nice to meet you, sir. -Nice to meet you. 63 00:02:56,410 --> 00:02:57,276 -Robert thacker. -I'm kelly. 64 00:02:58,245 --> 00:02:58,311 Steve spignola, nice to meet you, sir. 65 00:02:59,012 --> 00:02:59,077 -How are you? -Shawn smith. 66 00:02:59,613 --> 00:03:00,779 Look at that bow tie! 67 00:03:01,615 --> 00:03:01,948 That's a south carolina thing, huh? 68 00:03:02,149 --> 00:03:04,115 Yes. [laughs] 69 00:03:04,185 --> 00:03:06,619 When did y'all first get acquainted with this case? 70 00:03:06,820 --> 00:03:09,888 I started working the case back in 2012. 71 00:03:09,957 --> 00:03:11,623 That was one of the first things I did 72 00:03:11,692 --> 00:03:13,426 Took over as interim chief was to try 73 00:03:13,627 --> 00:03:15,160 And get this case solved. 74 00:03:15,229 --> 00:03:16,962 We feel like that it is solvable. 75 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:19,331 Do y'all not hire little guys here or something? 76 00:03:19,399 --> 00:03:21,433 -Is that a rule? -[men laugh] 77 00:03:21,501 --> 00:03:23,236 -It's the south. -I like that! 78 00:03:23,437 --> 00:03:24,870 Let's go. Come on. 79 00:03:24,873 --> 00:03:27,672 Debra was a very outgoing person, 80 00:03:27,742 --> 00:03:29,074 Always willing to help somebody. 81 00:03:30,311 --> 00:03:31,710 No one deserved to lose their life the way she did. 82 00:03:31,778 --> 00:03:33,778 It's something that you get motivated 83 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:36,948 To close this case and bring some closure to the family, 84 00:03:37,017 --> 00:03:39,317 At least give them some kind of comfort. 85 00:03:39,386 --> 00:03:42,520 Let's put debra's pictures up on the board. 86 00:03:42,589 --> 00:03:44,323 She was only 44 when it happened, right? 87 00:03:44,391 --> 00:03:46,224 -Yes, ma'am. -Pretty dang young. 88 00:03:46,293 --> 00:03:47,592 What was her story? 89 00:03:47,661 --> 00:03:49,394 Debra was a single mother. 90 00:03:49,463 --> 00:03:52,131 Her sister passed away earlier on, 91 00:03:52,333 --> 00:03:54,032 And she ended up taking care of the niece and nephew. 92 00:03:54,102 --> 00:03:56,735 She put her daughter through college, taineisha. 93 00:03:56,803 --> 00:03:59,871 -And taineisha now lives where? -In north carolina. 94 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:01,339 She's actually a doctor. 95 00:04:01,408 --> 00:04:04,443 Debra worked for the city of greenville 96 00:04:04,478 --> 00:04:06,344 And she had a lot of friends. 97 00:04:06,414 --> 00:04:07,512 Yeah, she seemed pretty social, right? 98 00:04:08,548 --> 00:04:09,514 -Yes, ma'am. -When the sister passed away, 99 00:04:10,684 --> 00:04:11,983 Debra just took on the role of being their parent. 100 00:04:13,086 --> 00:04:14,486 From what I've gathered from family and friends 101 00:04:14,556 --> 00:04:15,821 And everybody, she took care of them 102 00:04:16,023 --> 00:04:17,089 Just like they were her own kids. 103 00:04:18,225 --> 00:04:20,759 My mom actually was divorced and a single mother, 104 00:04:20,827 --> 00:04:22,427 Black female, just like debra was. 105 00:04:22,463 --> 00:04:24,262 That's what motivates me to find this person 106 00:04:24,331 --> 00:04:25,697 And put them in jail. 107 00:04:25,767 --> 00:04:28,033 Start with the front of the story. 108 00:04:28,102 --> 00:04:30,869 December 12, 2007. 109 00:04:30,937 --> 00:04:33,705 The fire department responded to a fire. 110 00:04:33,775 --> 00:04:34,707 After the fire was extinguished, 111 00:04:34,908 --> 00:04:37,108 That's when the fire department stumbled on 112 00:04:37,177 --> 00:04:38,710 A body that was charred. 113 00:04:38,780 --> 00:04:41,246 The next day an autopsy was performed, 114 00:04:41,315 --> 00:04:44,182 And the cause and manner of death was ruled a homicide. 115 00:04:44,251 --> 00:04:46,852 There was evident stab wounds and blunt force trauma 116 00:04:47,054 --> 00:04:48,187 To her skull. 117 00:04:48,389 --> 00:04:49,388 Did anybody know that was coming? 118 00:04:49,590 --> 00:04:51,056 -No. -Didn't know there would 119 00:04:51,125 --> 00:04:52,858 Be a body and didn't know it wasn't gonna be 120 00:04:53,060 --> 00:04:54,193 -Just from the fire. -No, ma'am. 121 00:04:54,395 --> 00:04:55,694 -Damn. -Yeah. 122 00:04:56,997 --> 00:04:57,829 Forensic testing determined that the killer used gasoline 123 00:04:58,866 --> 00:04:59,798 To set debra's house on fire after the murder 124 00:04:59,866 --> 00:05:02,601 In a likely attempt to cover up the crime. 125 00:05:02,802 --> 00:05:04,369 But luckily, the fire department was able 126 00:05:04,438 --> 00:05:05,971 To extinguish the fire quickly. 127 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,006 The killer wasn't as slick as they thought they were. 128 00:05:08,076 --> 00:05:10,608 Okay, so let's start with our suspect board. 129 00:05:10,677 --> 00:05:12,811 -Y'all want to do dwayne first? -Yes. 130 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:16,148 Dwayne taylor. So he's gonna be debra's-- 131 00:05:16,350 --> 00:05:17,715 -The nephew. -Nephew. 132 00:05:17,718 --> 00:05:20,219 And when this happened, we say he was 22? 133 00:05:20,421 --> 00:05:21,987 -Twenty-two. -What do we know 134 00:05:22,055 --> 00:05:24,622 About the relationship between dwayne and debra? 135 00:05:24,691 --> 00:05:26,626 We know they were having some-- some issues. 136 00:05:26,827 --> 00:05:29,028 -Over what? -Money. 137 00:05:29,229 --> 00:05:33,298 What debra was receiving for dwayne and sakeena 138 00:05:33,367 --> 00:05:36,701 As they were growing up, ssi checks. 139 00:05:36,771 --> 00:05:38,104 And we don't know how much money, do we? 140 00:05:38,305 --> 00:05:39,437 We don't know how much money. 141 00:05:39,506 --> 00:05:41,739 Dwayne was debra's nephew, 142 00:05:41,775 --> 00:05:44,843 Who had an understandably troubled childhood. 143 00:05:44,911 --> 00:05:47,580 But investigators discovered that the real trouble started 144 00:05:47,781 --> 00:05:49,647 When dwayne got a little bit older 145 00:05:49,717 --> 00:05:52,852 And he became convinced that debra was withholding 146 00:05:53,053 --> 00:05:54,920 The social security benefits 147 00:05:55,122 --> 00:05:56,654 That he and sakeena were receiving 148 00:05:56,723 --> 00:05:58,391 Because of his mom's death. 149 00:05:58,592 --> 00:06:00,191 There's no evidence that she was, 150 00:06:00,260 --> 00:06:03,428 But if dwayne believed that, that could be our motive. 151 00:06:03,430 --> 00:06:07,665 Now prior to that, she had some issues with dwayne 152 00:06:07,735 --> 00:06:08,267 -Getting arrested... -Okay. 153 00:06:08,469 --> 00:06:09,834 ...And stuff like that. 154 00:06:09,903 --> 00:06:11,670 She had to actually kick him out the house. 155 00:06:11,738 --> 00:06:13,706 When did she kick him out? 156 00:06:13,774 --> 00:06:15,641 It was two months prior to her death. 157 00:06:16,910 --> 00:06:19,477 What was his initial story as to where he was 158 00:06:19,546 --> 00:06:21,613 Around the time you think the fire started? 159 00:06:21,681 --> 00:06:23,548 He wrote a statement that said 160 00:06:23,617 --> 00:06:24,949 Prior to going to work that day, 161 00:06:25,018 --> 00:06:26,217 He was at his cousin's house. 162 00:06:26,286 --> 00:06:27,753 Spoke to the cousins, the cousins said, 163 00:06:27,955 --> 00:06:28,887 "dwayne wasn't here." 164 00:06:28,955 --> 00:06:30,221 And then later on we found out 165 00:06:30,290 --> 00:06:31,823 That he was late for his job. 166 00:06:31,893 --> 00:06:35,160 He worked from 11:00 p.M. To 7:00 a.M. 167 00:06:35,228 --> 00:06:36,494 On that particular day, 168 00:06:36,564 --> 00:06:38,896 He did not arrive at work until 12:45. 169 00:06:38,899 --> 00:06:40,665 Okay. We don't know 170 00:06:40,667 --> 00:06:42,767 What time debra was killed 171 00:06:42,836 --> 00:06:44,702 Or what time the fire started. 172 00:06:44,771 --> 00:06:47,505 But based on the size of the blaze 173 00:06:47,574 --> 00:06:49,073 When the fire department arrived, 174 00:06:49,143 --> 00:06:51,376 It's believed that the fire was started 175 00:06:51,445 --> 00:06:53,712 Around 10:30 or 11:00 p.M. 176 00:06:53,780 --> 00:06:57,782 If so, then dwayne's alibi and actions that night 177 00:06:57,852 --> 00:06:59,585 Certainly seem suspcious. 178 00:07:07,594 --> 00:07:09,227 Sakeena taylor. 179 00:07:09,296 --> 00:07:11,062 She's gonna be our victim's niece. 180 00:07:11,132 --> 00:07:12,631 What else we know about the relationship 181 00:07:12,666 --> 00:07:14,132 Between sakeena and debra? 182 00:07:14,202 --> 00:07:16,868 -It was strained, apparently. -They had a falling out, 183 00:07:16,937 --> 00:07:19,271 -'cause she moved out. -She moved out in February? 184 00:07:19,473 --> 00:07:21,206 -Mm-hmm. -Sakeena gets into it 185 00:07:21,275 --> 00:07:23,608 With debra and I think your police department 186 00:07:23,677 --> 00:07:24,910 Responds one time, too, over money. 187 00:07:26,146 --> 00:07:28,079 And that was, you know, earlier that year, I thought. 188 00:07:28,148 --> 00:07:30,949 And they're fighting outside when the neighbors call. 189 00:07:31,017 --> 00:07:32,884 She feels like she misappropriated her funds. 190 00:07:32,953 --> 00:07:35,587 Like her brother dwayne, witnesses said that 191 00:07:35,655 --> 00:07:39,023 Sakeena believed that debra was keeping money from her. 192 00:07:39,092 --> 00:07:42,627 Statistically, about 90% of murders 193 00:07:42,696 --> 00:07:44,829 Are committed by men, and debra's murder 194 00:07:44,899 --> 00:07:46,898 Was particularly violent. 195 00:07:46,967 --> 00:07:48,901 But I've worked enough murder cases to realize 196 00:07:49,102 --> 00:07:51,069 That you can't rule anything out. 197 00:07:51,271 --> 00:07:53,438 Could she have killed her own aunt? 198 00:07:53,507 --> 00:07:55,106 Could she have helped? 199 00:07:55,176 --> 00:07:56,841 Could she have helped to cover it up? 200 00:07:56,910 --> 00:07:59,110 The other suspect that I think we need to address 201 00:07:59,180 --> 00:08:01,981 Is the main man she was messing around with at the time. 202 00:08:02,182 --> 00:08:04,550 -All right. -Dwayne ishaaq. 203 00:08:04,751 --> 00:08:07,386 His relationship to debra is dating. 204 00:08:07,588 --> 00:08:08,953 Do we know for how long? 205 00:08:09,022 --> 00:08:11,055 Everybody said two years, and I think that was 206 00:08:11,124 --> 00:08:13,024 To not let his actual wife know 207 00:08:13,094 --> 00:08:14,493 How long he's been dealing with her. 208 00:08:14,694 --> 00:08:16,995 Dwayne ishaaq had been dating debra 209 00:08:17,063 --> 00:08:19,063 Behind his wife's back for a couple of years. 210 00:08:19,132 --> 00:08:22,800 And even though debra's body was badly burned, 211 00:08:22,869 --> 00:08:24,936 The first responders were able to determine 212 00:08:25,005 --> 00:08:27,405 That debra was nude at the time of her death, 213 00:08:27,475 --> 00:08:30,009 Which sounds a lot like she and her killer 214 00:08:30,210 --> 00:08:32,810 May have been in an intimate relationship. 215 00:08:32,879 --> 00:08:35,080 Did they have any abuse issues? 216 00:08:35,282 --> 00:08:37,282 -Volatile, jealousy, temper? -No. 217 00:08:37,351 --> 00:08:38,616 It was like fringe benefits. 218 00:08:38,686 --> 00:08:40,686 He knew about her relationships, 219 00:08:40,887 --> 00:08:42,621 And she knew he was married. 220 00:08:42,689 --> 00:08:45,023 And is dwayne still with his wife today? 221 00:08:45,091 --> 00:08:47,793 Yes. She was at home, 222 00:08:47,994 --> 00:08:50,161 Had some teeth extracted that day. 223 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:51,963 He was out getting her medication. 224 00:08:52,033 --> 00:08:54,065 -He's on video... -At the gas station. 225 00:08:54,135 --> 00:08:55,733 ...At this gas station, yeah. 226 00:08:55,735 --> 00:08:57,702 Dwayne ishaaq seemed like a likely suspect 227 00:08:57,771 --> 00:08:59,871 But he has a pretty solid alibi. 228 00:08:59,940 --> 00:09:02,907 He and his wife say that he was at home all night, 229 00:09:02,976 --> 00:09:04,976 Other than when he stopped at a gas station briefly, 230 00:09:05,045 --> 00:09:06,911 Where he was caught on camera. 231 00:09:06,980 --> 00:09:08,846 But based on debra's phone records, 232 00:09:08,915 --> 00:09:10,315 We know that he talked to her 233 00:09:10,383 --> 00:09:12,383 A little less than two hours before her murder. 234 00:09:12,453 --> 00:09:15,153 Is it possible that he could've pulled it off? 235 00:09:15,356 --> 00:09:16,788 And if so, why? 236 00:09:16,990 --> 00:09:18,523 All right, boys, that's a pretty good board. 237 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,727 ♪♪♪ 238 00:09:22,796 --> 00:09:26,130 ♪ take the long road ♪ 239 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,534 ♪ always see it through ♪ 240 00:09:29,603 --> 00:09:32,503 ♪ there's a purpose ♪ 241 00:09:32,573 --> 00:09:33,972 ♪ to be certain... ♪ 242 00:09:35,208 --> 00:09:36,874 How long had taineisha been married when this happened? 243 00:09:36,943 --> 00:09:39,677 I think she got married the same year? 244 00:09:39,746 --> 00:09:41,546 A few months before. 245 00:09:41,615 --> 00:09:43,081 The first thing we want to do 246 00:09:43,149 --> 00:09:45,150 Is meet with debra's daughter taineisha. 247 00:09:45,352 --> 00:09:47,552 It feels like it's pretty much split up the family, too. 248 00:09:47,621 --> 00:09:48,953 Yeah, it has, yeah. 249 00:09:49,023 --> 00:09:50,822 For three kids that grew up together, 250 00:09:50,892 --> 00:09:53,558 They have nothing to do with each other now. 251 00:09:53,627 --> 00:09:56,629 -♪ money changes you ♪ -I can't imagine 252 00:09:56,830 --> 00:09:58,963 Growing up with my cousins 253 00:09:59,033 --> 00:10:02,700 And watching my mom raise them 254 00:10:02,770 --> 00:10:04,103 And then considering the possibility 255 00:10:04,304 --> 00:10:06,372 That they could be involved and implicated 256 00:10:06,573 --> 00:10:07,905 In my mother's murder. 257 00:10:07,975 --> 00:10:09,707 So I know it's been a long time. 258 00:10:09,776 --> 00:10:10,908 -Yes. -But hopefully this time 259 00:10:10,977 --> 00:10:13,846 We can bring some closure to you. 260 00:10:14,047 --> 00:10:15,981 What was your sister like growing up? 261 00:10:17,117 --> 00:10:19,717 She loved to sing around the house. 262 00:10:19,786 --> 00:10:21,653 She loved to dance. 263 00:10:21,722 --> 00:10:23,054 She loved to have fun. 264 00:10:23,123 --> 00:10:24,122 Oh, she was the life of the party. 265 00:10:24,190 --> 00:10:25,190 -Yeah. -Always, huh? 266 00:10:25,392 --> 00:10:26,325 -Always. -Always. 267 00:10:27,394 --> 00:10:29,960 A lot of--of her raising me was to, like, 268 00:10:29,963 --> 00:10:31,863 Always just encouraging whatever. 269 00:10:31,931 --> 00:10:33,732 Anybody she would talk to about me, she'd be like, 270 00:10:33,934 --> 00:10:35,166 "that's my daughter. She's gonna be a doctor." 271 00:10:36,403 --> 00:10:38,536 Like, she had probably more faith and confidence in me 272 00:10:38,605 --> 00:10:40,005 Than I had in myself. She's like "oh, you can do it. 273 00:10:40,207 --> 00:10:42,541 You'll be fine." but if I had wanted to be, uh, 274 00:10:42,743 --> 00:10:45,476 A garbage person, she would've been just as excited. 275 00:10:45,545 --> 00:10:48,547 My mom was my best friend. 276 00:10:48,749 --> 00:10:52,685 Um, we hung out 277 00:10:52,886 --> 00:10:54,052 We talked--we talked every day. 278 00:10:55,221 --> 00:10:55,821 I talked to her the day-- the morning that she died. 279 00:10:56,623 --> 00:10:58,089 She was my biggest cheerleader. 280 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:00,825 She was loving, caring, 281 00:11:00,894 --> 00:11:03,027 Happy, sweet. 282 00:11:03,097 --> 00:11:04,729 My life hasn't been the same. 283 00:11:11,304 --> 00:11:14,305 Let's go back a little bit. So, at some point, 284 00:11:14,374 --> 00:11:16,307 Your cousins, dwayne and sakeena... 285 00:11:16,377 --> 00:11:18,109 -Mm-hmm. -...Their mom passed away. 286 00:11:18,179 --> 00:11:19,844 -Right. -When they first moved in 287 00:11:19,913 --> 00:11:22,113 With you, was everybody happy about that? 288 00:11:22,183 --> 00:11:25,516 Uh, I think there were moments of tension, 289 00:11:25,585 --> 00:11:27,318 Because I still had my mom. 290 00:11:27,387 --> 00:11:30,254 Me and sakeena were like this when we were young-young. 291 00:11:30,324 --> 00:11:32,424 'cause we were the same age, our moms were close. 292 00:11:32,626 --> 00:11:34,525 Like, all of our moms had us all together. 293 00:11:34,594 --> 00:11:35,993 After that, we just... 294 00:11:36,063 --> 00:11:37,996 Um, became distant. 295 00:11:38,064 --> 00:11:41,065 At that time, dwayne-- 296 00:11:41,134 --> 00:11:43,335 -Oh, he was--had troubles. -Yeah. 297 00:11:43,536 --> 00:11:46,839 Like, he was already aggressive and angry. 298 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,606 Like, he had several runs of charges. 299 00:11:48,675 --> 00:11:51,276 So by the time I graduated, he was intermittently 300 00:11:51,478 --> 00:11:53,077 In and out of the house. Like, he would do something 301 00:11:53,147 --> 00:11:54,145 And she would kick him out. 302 00:11:54,214 --> 00:11:56,448 And during the time y'all were growing up, 303 00:11:56,650 --> 00:11:59,083 They each get a check for-- the ssi 304 00:11:59,153 --> 00:12:00,352 -'cause their mom passes away. -Right. 305 00:12:00,553 --> 00:12:04,223 And how much are you aware of any kind of stress or tension 306 00:12:04,424 --> 00:12:07,625 That that caused in the minds of sakeena and dwayne? 307 00:12:07,695 --> 00:12:08,893 I think it--there-- 308 00:12:08,962 --> 00:12:11,362 I remember there being moments, like, "this is my money." 309 00:12:11,431 --> 00:12:13,298 Sure. And who would be the one that said 310 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:15,366 "this is my money"? Dwayne or sakeena or both? 311 00:12:15,435 --> 00:12:16,501 I feel like it was both of them. 312 00:12:16,569 --> 00:12:17,735 Yeah. 313 00:12:17,804 --> 00:12:19,904 When this happened, right, 314 00:12:19,973 --> 00:12:22,306 I asked keena at that point, I was like, 315 00:12:22,376 --> 00:12:24,643 "you think your brother had something to do with it?" 316 00:12:24,845 --> 00:12:27,178 -She got very defensive. -Okay. 317 00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:30,181 Thinking about how it happened, why--like, why... 318 00:12:30,251 --> 00:12:33,718 It wasn't random. The intention was to do harm. 319 00:12:33,787 --> 00:12:35,720 -Yeah. -So most of us 320 00:12:35,789 --> 00:12:36,789 Think dwayne did it. 321 00:12:36,990 --> 00:12:39,390 -[sniffles] -you can really feel 322 00:12:39,460 --> 00:12:42,527 The pain and the suffering that to this day 323 00:12:42,595 --> 00:12:44,862 Still torments taineisha and gloria. 324 00:12:44,932 --> 00:12:46,063 We're gonna try our hardest. 325 00:12:46,133 --> 00:12:49,801 We feel optimistic, but we can't promise you anything. 326 00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:52,004 We're not trying to break your heart for nothing, okay? 327 00:12:53,473 --> 00:12:55,941 We all hope that we can bring justice 328 00:12:56,142 --> 00:12:58,209 And help ease their heartache 329 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:01,413 Over what happened to debra after all these years. 330 00:13:01,481 --> 00:13:04,516 ♪♪♪ 331 00:13:11,723 --> 00:13:14,993 ♪♪♪ 332 00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:17,361 Everybody still at the ways' house. 333 00:13:17,363 --> 00:13:19,230 That's the house right across the street. 334 00:13:19,299 --> 00:13:21,432 Hopefully they can give us some information. 335 00:13:21,502 --> 00:13:23,902 Debra chisolm was brutally murdered 14 years ago 336 00:13:24,104 --> 00:13:25,369 And her house set on fire. 337 00:13:25,438 --> 00:13:27,171 And while the house no longer stands, 338 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,307 We're fortunate to have the neighbors 339 00:13:28,508 --> 00:13:29,841 Still living across the street. 340 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:31,576 -Ms. Francine way? -Yes. 341 00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:33,177 We're hoping they can still remember 342 00:13:33,246 --> 00:13:35,114 If they saw anything out of the ordinary that night. 343 00:13:35,315 --> 00:13:37,181 We're looking into the debra chisolm case. 344 00:13:37,251 --> 00:13:39,050 -You remember that night? -Yeah. 345 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,252 It happened around 12:00 that night. 346 00:13:41,321 --> 00:13:43,654 -Mm-hmm. -And a white lady 347 00:13:43,723 --> 00:13:44,756 Came through the neighborhood. 348 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:45,857 She was knocking on people's doors 349 00:13:46,927 --> 00:13:47,292 To let us know there was a fire over there. 350 00:13:48,228 --> 00:13:50,395 That evening, before that happened-- 351 00:13:50,463 --> 00:13:52,196 -Let me back it up. -Yes, ma'am. 352 00:13:52,265 --> 00:13:54,532 Me and my husband were sitting on the porch right here. 353 00:13:54,602 --> 00:13:56,667 -Okay. -And... 354 00:13:56,737 --> 00:13:59,403 I noticed the black truck, 355 00:13:59,472 --> 00:14:00,939 You know, come down the street. 356 00:14:01,007 --> 00:14:02,240 It was parked in front of the house. 357 00:14:03,476 --> 00:14:04,809 Okay. Mr. Way available to talk to us for a minute? 358 00:14:04,878 --> 00:14:07,279 Well, let me get him. 359 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,848 Mrs. Way places a suspicious black truck 360 00:14:10,050 --> 00:14:11,816 At debra's house on the night of the murder. 361 00:14:11,851 --> 00:14:14,285 That's not debra's vehicle, and as far as we know 362 00:14:14,354 --> 00:14:16,488 It doesn't match the suspects' vehicles, either. 363 00:14:16,689 --> 00:14:18,022 Maybe her husband can help us identify 364 00:14:18,092 --> 00:14:19,223 The driver of the truck. 365 00:14:19,293 --> 00:14:21,493 Alls I really remember is, um, 366 00:14:21,694 --> 00:14:23,162 I thought it was strange-- it was a black truck 367 00:14:23,363 --> 00:14:25,096 Parked right by the drainage thing there. 368 00:14:25,166 --> 00:14:26,564 -Yes, sir. -It sounded like 369 00:14:26,633 --> 00:14:28,433 -A sprinkler system. -Like a sprinkler system. 370 00:14:28,501 --> 00:14:30,869 -Yes. [imitates sprinkler] -okay. Okay. Okay. 371 00:14:31,071 --> 00:14:32,203 Right. 372 00:14:34,841 --> 00:14:36,307 Yes. Okay. 373 00:14:36,376 --> 00:14:38,443 Mr. Way didn't see the driver of the black truck. 374 00:14:38,511 --> 00:14:41,512 However, the engine made a strange, sprinkler-type noise, 375 00:14:41,582 --> 00:14:42,981 And that is a solid lead. 376 00:14:44,517 --> 00:14:46,585 Okay. [laughs] yeah, right. Yes, sir. 377 00:14:48,721 --> 00:14:54,158 ♪♪♪ 378 00:14:54,227 --> 00:14:56,394 -Good morning. -Hi, guys. 379 00:14:56,596 --> 00:14:57,528 Y'all brought some visitors, huh? 380 00:14:57,597 --> 00:14:59,597 This is captain brown from the fire department. 381 00:14:59,666 --> 00:15:00,999 -Captain brown. -Nice to meet you. 382 00:15:01,067 --> 00:15:02,834 I'm kent dill with the coroner's office. 383 00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:04,435 -What's the setup out here? -Right, we got a model up 384 00:15:04,504 --> 00:15:06,671 For the residence, since it's all destroyed. 385 00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:09,273 So we're gonna go in and see if we can reenact 386 00:15:09,343 --> 00:15:12,810 That night of December 12, 2007. 387 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:14,612 Y'all remember it pretty well? 388 00:15:14,682 --> 00:15:15,747 We remember it. 389 00:15:15,949 --> 00:15:18,049 All right, well, come tell us everything you remember. 390 00:15:18,118 --> 00:15:19,585 Let's talk it over. 391 00:15:19,786 --> 00:15:22,153 With debra's house completely destroyed, 392 00:15:22,221 --> 00:15:23,421 The mauldin police department 393 00:15:23,490 --> 00:15:25,790 Has built us up a model today 394 00:15:25,860 --> 00:15:29,293 To help us better visualize and try to examine 395 00:15:29,363 --> 00:15:31,295 The actions of debra's killer. 396 00:15:31,365 --> 00:15:33,765 So this would probably be the back of the residence. 397 00:15:33,967 --> 00:15:35,166 And where's the bedroom? 398 00:15:35,234 --> 00:15:36,701 The bedroom's gonna be on this side. 399 00:15:36,769 --> 00:15:38,969 Debra's home had two doors. 400 00:15:39,038 --> 00:15:40,439 The front door was locked. 401 00:15:41,741 --> 00:15:42,406 The back door was broken and it was secured with a bookcase 402 00:15:42,475 --> 00:15:45,309 To keep people from coming in. 403 00:15:45,379 --> 00:15:46,477 So the first thing we have to figure out in this case 404 00:15:47,580 --> 00:15:49,047 Is how did our killer get inside debra's house? 405 00:15:49,115 --> 00:15:52,450 So I'm parked here, and as I exit, 406 00:15:52,518 --> 00:15:55,519 I'm walking around the back side of the house. 407 00:15:55,588 --> 00:15:58,189 So I come first to the screened-in porch door 408 00:15:58,257 --> 00:16:00,191 Which I enter from there. 409 00:16:00,259 --> 00:16:03,127 And as I get in, maybe or maybe not, 410 00:16:03,196 --> 00:16:04,462 I check this back door. 411 00:16:04,464 --> 00:16:06,063 So this is our barricaded back door. 412 00:16:06,132 --> 00:16:08,666 Right. If this is the door, 413 00:16:08,736 --> 00:16:11,402 This bookshelf went across the door. 414 00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:13,138 You're first officer on the scene. 415 00:16:13,339 --> 00:16:15,339 If he had to push open the door, 416 00:16:15,408 --> 00:16:17,341 Then that tells y'all what as to how 417 00:16:17,411 --> 00:16:19,411 Our suspect got inside the house? 418 00:16:19,612 --> 00:16:22,080 The window. That's the only way he could've gotten in, 419 00:16:22,282 --> 00:16:23,347 'cause he didn't go through the front door. 420 00:16:23,416 --> 00:16:25,416 -And there's no other door? -There's no other door? 421 00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:27,017 -And the garage door was down? -Right. 422 00:16:27,086 --> 00:16:29,154 -So it's gotta be this window. -Gotta be that window. 423 00:16:29,355 --> 00:16:31,355 Debra's body was nude when she was discovered, 424 00:16:31,424 --> 00:16:33,357 And we figure that was because of one of two reasons-- 425 00:16:33,427 --> 00:16:35,994 She was either with her boyfriend shortly before this, 426 00:16:36,196 --> 00:16:38,497 Or she was in the shower and was ambushed when she got out, 427 00:16:38,698 --> 00:16:41,031 Which may help explain why she didn't hear the killer 428 00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:42,367 Getting into the house that night. 429 00:16:42,569 --> 00:16:45,903 All right, so, go back, enter the house, 430 00:16:45,972 --> 00:16:48,939 I'm gonna be debra getting out of the shower. 431 00:16:48,941 --> 00:16:50,574 So if you're in the kitchen, now you've gotten 432 00:16:50,643 --> 00:16:51,843 Into the house through the window. 433 00:16:52,979 --> 00:16:54,578 I might even hear the shower running, I don't know. 434 00:16:54,648 --> 00:16:57,882 But I'm walking this way toward the bedroom, 435 00:16:57,952 --> 00:17:00,184 And here's the bedroom door. 436 00:17:00,253 --> 00:17:01,519 She's gonna come out of we think the shower 437 00:17:02,722 --> 00:17:03,921 'cause she's got no clothes on, and her family says 438 00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:05,589 She did not sleep nude. 439 00:17:05,658 --> 00:17:08,259 She's walking maybe to get her clothes to get dressed, 440 00:17:08,327 --> 00:17:10,294 'cause she's found where, chief? 441 00:17:10,363 --> 00:17:11,463 -Her body. -She's found basically 442 00:17:11,664 --> 00:17:12,930 In this area. 443 00:17:12,999 --> 00:17:14,999 The head is near the door. 444 00:17:15,067 --> 00:17:16,334 She is on her back, 445 00:17:16,402 --> 00:17:18,269 And then she has the stab wounds. 446 00:17:18,337 --> 00:17:19,203 -How many were there? -Seven. 447 00:17:19,273 --> 00:17:22,740 Okay, so, if I'm coming out of my shower, 448 00:17:22,809 --> 00:17:25,543 And I'm trying to get my clothes on or whatever, 449 00:17:25,612 --> 00:17:26,978 And you come through the door, what you gonna do? 450 00:17:28,214 --> 00:17:30,281 One of the ways that I might be able to control you best 451 00:17:30,349 --> 00:17:33,417 Is to get around you, and then that... 452 00:17:33,487 --> 00:17:36,021 -Would give you an opportunity. -One through four. 453 00:17:36,957 --> 00:17:41,325 And then you've got one on this side up high... 454 00:17:41,327 --> 00:17:43,729 And then you've got one down here. 455 00:17:44,597 --> 00:17:46,764 If I'm struggling you might not be able to aim as well. 456 00:17:46,833 --> 00:17:48,766 And then that way you would fall this way, 457 00:17:48,836 --> 00:17:50,101 With your head closer to the door. 458 00:17:50,169 --> 00:17:52,303 -Sure. -Okay. 459 00:17:52,371 --> 00:17:54,271 So he gets back in here with the gas. 460 00:17:54,340 --> 00:17:58,043 How much does it take to set that fire? A lot? 461 00:17:58,244 --> 00:17:59,643 -Five gallons? -Several. 462 00:17:59,712 --> 00:18:01,712 It just didn't happen just in that bedroom. 463 00:18:01,782 --> 00:18:03,914 So they splashed gas more than just 464 00:18:03,983 --> 00:18:05,250 -On her part of the bedroom? -I would say. 465 00:18:05,451 --> 00:18:06,684 -I would say so. -I didn't know that. 466 00:18:07,987 --> 00:18:09,254 So with debra's killer actually sneaking into the house 467 00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:11,890 And then using gasoline to cover up the crime, 468 00:18:13,259 --> 00:18:14,892 It's clear this just wasn't some type of a heated argument. 469 00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:17,929 This was a cold and calculated premeditated murder. 470 00:18:18,131 --> 00:18:20,398 And gas can goes with him. He doesn't leave it behind. 471 00:18:20,466 --> 00:18:22,266 -No, no. -No knife is left behind. 472 00:18:22,335 --> 00:18:24,935 All that goes with the killer. 473 00:18:25,005 --> 00:18:26,804 And we also know that he's in a hurry to leave. 474 00:18:26,874 --> 00:18:27,939 He's definitely in a hurry to leave. 475 00:18:28,141 --> 00:18:29,406 So he's not--he's not dawdling. 476 00:18:29,408 --> 00:18:31,008 Damaged tree is where? 477 00:18:31,077 --> 00:18:33,477 Kinda like right here. 478 00:18:33,547 --> 00:18:36,414 Had damage consistent with something hitting it, 479 00:18:36,482 --> 00:18:38,617 Backing out, leaving in a hurry. 480 00:18:38,818 --> 00:18:41,153 Killers typically flee crime scenes quickly, 481 00:18:41,354 --> 00:18:43,087 Especially if they just set it on fire. 482 00:18:43,157 --> 00:18:45,556 As it turns out, outside debra's home, 483 00:18:45,591 --> 00:18:47,625 Investigators found scrape marks on the side of a tree 484 00:18:47,827 --> 00:18:50,161 Suggesting that the killer scraped their vehicle 485 00:18:50,229 --> 00:18:51,162 During the escape. 486 00:18:51,364 --> 00:18:53,097 Wow, that was so helpful. Thank you all. 487 00:18:53,165 --> 00:18:54,665 Thank you all. 488 00:18:54,735 --> 00:18:56,901 It sounds more and more like the key piece of evidence 489 00:18:56,969 --> 00:18:59,637 In this case is a black truck with damage to its side 490 00:18:59,706 --> 00:19:01,973 That has an engine that sounds like a sprinkler system. 491 00:19:02,175 --> 00:19:04,308 And the question is, who was driving that truck 492 00:19:04,378 --> 00:19:05,643 The night debra was killed? 493 00:19:13,719 --> 00:19:18,123 ♪♪♪ 494 00:19:18,724 --> 00:19:19,657 Okay, yolanda golden. 495 00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:21,926 She's a friend. She ought to be excited. 496 00:19:21,994 --> 00:19:23,727 -Yeah. -We've still got 497 00:19:23,796 --> 00:19:26,698 Three suspects in the murder of debra chisolm-- 498 00:19:26,899 --> 00:19:29,733 Her niece and nephew who she helped raise, 499 00:19:29,802 --> 00:19:30,968 And her boyfriend. 500 00:19:32,172 --> 00:19:33,137 None of them owned the black truck that we believe 501 00:19:33,207 --> 00:19:35,673 Her killer might have been driving that night. 502 00:19:35,741 --> 00:19:38,342 So it's time for us to start talking to witnesses 503 00:19:38,411 --> 00:19:41,211 To try and narrow down any potential motives. 504 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,314 What kind of person was debra? 505 00:19:44,617 --> 00:19:48,219 Outgoing, fun, funny. 506 00:19:48,288 --> 00:19:51,089 Is there anybody that she had any problems with in her life? 507 00:19:51,291 --> 00:19:53,490 -Like... -The only person 508 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:56,827 That it keeps resonating with me is her nephew. 509 00:19:56,896 --> 00:19:59,697 Dwayne? He was living there with her. 510 00:19:59,765 --> 00:20:02,166 -Okay. -Um, he was not respecting 511 00:20:02,235 --> 00:20:03,701 Any rules of her household, 512 00:20:03,769 --> 00:20:05,903 Coming in at, you know, different times of night. 513 00:20:05,972 --> 00:20:08,773 Had people in her house. He was using drugs, 514 00:20:08,841 --> 00:20:11,976 And she had to kick him out, but she had told me that 515 00:20:12,044 --> 00:20:14,111 He had broken into the house a few times. 516 00:20:14,180 --> 00:20:16,113 -He had broken into the house? -Yeah, she said 517 00:20:16,182 --> 00:20:17,381 When she got into the house, 518 00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:19,316 She could see him running across the field. 519 00:20:19,386 --> 00:20:20,751 At the back of the house, right? 520 00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:21,619 -In the back of the house. -Okay. 521 00:20:22,455 --> 00:20:23,054 According to her friend yolanda, 522 00:20:24,257 --> 00:20:26,791 Debra had recurring issues with her nephew dwayne, 523 00:20:26,859 --> 00:20:28,860 And had recently kicked him out. 524 00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:31,329 More importantly, she caught him breaking back in 525 00:20:31,397 --> 00:20:32,663 A couple of times. 526 00:20:32,732 --> 00:20:34,598 -Thank you so much. -Thank you so much. 527 00:20:34,667 --> 00:20:36,066 -I appreciate y'all. -Thank you. We appreciate it. 528 00:20:36,135 --> 00:20:38,669 It makes you wonder if dwayne was the one 529 00:20:38,738 --> 00:20:40,805 Who broke debra's back door 530 00:20:40,807 --> 00:20:43,108 And forced her to have to barricade that back door 531 00:20:43,309 --> 00:20:44,075 With the bookcase. 532 00:20:44,277 --> 00:20:46,577 Or if maybe he was entering through the window 533 00:20:46,647 --> 00:20:49,147 Like we think her killer did. 534 00:20:49,349 --> 00:20:50,948 Nice. 535 00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:59,389 ♪♪♪ 536 00:20:59,426 --> 00:21:00,691 This is mr. Sullivan, right? 537 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,561 Yes, darryl sullivan, ex-boyfriend. 538 00:21:04,631 --> 00:21:07,231 Debra dated a man named darryl sullivan 539 00:21:07,301 --> 00:21:10,368 In the early 2000s, and they remained friends 540 00:21:10,570 --> 00:21:11,835 Up until the time of her murder. 541 00:21:11,904 --> 00:21:13,804 Mr. Sullivan? How you doing, sir? 542 00:21:13,874 --> 00:21:15,440 Do you mind if we step outside? 543 00:21:15,474 --> 00:21:16,941 -No. -You wanna talk out here? 544 00:21:17,009 --> 00:21:19,543 He may be able to tell us more about 545 00:21:19,578 --> 00:21:22,146 Her relationship with dwayne and sakeena. 546 00:21:22,216 --> 00:21:24,181 You know why we're here, huh? 547 00:21:24,249 --> 00:21:25,416 -Yes. -Yeah. 548 00:21:26,452 --> 00:21:27,451 -Yeah. -And we're hoping 549 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,787 That she did some confiding 550 00:21:30,056 --> 00:21:31,189 In her friends and girlfriends about her personal life 551 00:21:31,391 --> 00:21:33,123 And her situation at home. 552 00:21:33,193 --> 00:21:35,025 Did she ever talk about any of that with you? 553 00:21:37,797 --> 00:21:39,463 -Yes. -Okay, what did she-- 554 00:21:39,532 --> 00:21:40,898 What did she tell you about them? 555 00:21:44,203 --> 00:21:45,604 Okay. 556 00:21:48,474 --> 00:21:49,774 ...Or drugs. 557 00:21:52,545 --> 00:21:54,813 She put him out a few times? Over arguments? 558 00:21:55,014 --> 00:21:58,449 Was sakeena a problem for her like dwayne was? 559 00:21:58,484 --> 00:22:01,753 Okay. 560 00:22:01,954 --> 00:22:03,821 If we're trying to figure out whether or not sakeena 561 00:22:03,889 --> 00:22:06,156 Could be involved in this murder, 562 00:22:06,226 --> 00:22:08,359 Is there anything you know of or think about 563 00:22:08,428 --> 00:22:10,295 That tells you one way or the other? 564 00:22:18,104 --> 00:22:19,771 So she was upset? 565 00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:23,808 Okay. 566 00:22:25,445 --> 00:22:26,911 Darryl seemed pretty confident 567 00:22:26,979 --> 00:22:29,646 That debra had bigger problems with dwayne 568 00:22:29,715 --> 00:22:33,652 Than she did with sakeena and that sakeena may know more 569 00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:36,720 Than she's ever told the police before. 570 00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:38,655 Did she ever tell you 571 00:22:38,724 --> 00:22:41,993 About needing to barricade her back door? 572 00:22:43,463 --> 00:22:45,596 -You could get in it. -How come? 573 00:22:50,937 --> 00:22:53,672 Did she ever mention if she was afraid of dwayne? 574 00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:03,947 And when you say, "shortly before that," 575 00:23:04,016 --> 00:23:05,150 You mean weeks? -Shortly before that... 576 00:23:05,351 --> 00:23:07,285 Couple days? 577 00:23:07,487 --> 00:23:08,686 Okay. 578 00:23:12,158 --> 00:23:15,759 You think she probably told this to you when? Within that week? 579 00:23:15,829 --> 00:23:17,227 Now was that the last time you talked to her 580 00:23:17,297 --> 00:23:18,829 Prior to her death? -Wow. 581 00:23:18,899 --> 00:23:20,498 Not only was dwayne the reason 582 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:23,901 Why debra was barricading her back door, 583 00:23:23,903 --> 00:23:25,469 He threatened her days before the murder, 584 00:23:25,537 --> 00:23:28,238 And he had plans to come by her house. 585 00:23:28,307 --> 00:23:29,773 You told us some wonderful new stuff today. 586 00:23:29,843 --> 00:23:30,909 -Right. -That's a lot. 587 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:31,909 Thank you so much. 588 00:23:31,977 --> 00:23:35,079 Darryl sullivan was a great witness. 589 00:23:35,147 --> 00:23:36,981 Every single thing that came out of his mouth 590 00:23:37,049 --> 00:23:40,584 Was a beautiful piece of circumstantial evidence. 591 00:23:40,654 --> 00:23:41,585 -Oh, man. -Whoo-hoo! 592 00:23:41,654 --> 00:23:42,454 Wonderful. 593 00:23:42,655 --> 00:23:44,122 I thought he was gonna be a waste of time. 594 00:23:44,323 --> 00:23:45,255 No! Yep. 595 00:23:45,325 --> 00:23:48,859 I didn't think he was gonna know all that. 596 00:23:48,994 --> 00:23:51,061 ♪♪♪ 597 00:23:51,130 --> 00:23:53,997 -So we going to mr. Boyd next? -Let's go to mr. Boyd next. 598 00:23:54,066 --> 00:23:56,468 -Nobody's ever talked to him? -Mnh-mnh. 599 00:23:56,669 --> 00:23:57,835 She might have vented to him a little bit. 600 00:23:59,005 --> 00:24:00,405 We're headed to speak to another of debra's exes-- 601 00:24:00,606 --> 00:24:02,941 A man named patrick boyd. 602 00:24:03,142 --> 00:24:04,342 Well, we heard you knew her from the church. 603 00:24:04,543 --> 00:24:05,943 Yeah. 604 00:24:06,012 --> 00:24:09,413 We were together, I guess, about four or five years. 605 00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:11,015 -Okay. -I know the kids very well. 606 00:24:11,083 --> 00:24:12,149 -Okay. -She ever talk to you 607 00:24:12,218 --> 00:24:14,685 About any problems she had with her niece and nephew? 608 00:24:14,753 --> 00:24:16,620 I know dwayne would give her a little, 609 00:24:16,690 --> 00:24:19,489 You know, when he was-- he was growing up. 610 00:24:19,558 --> 00:24:20,791 Did she ever tell you about any times when she felt like 611 00:24:20,793 --> 00:24:23,427 She was afraid that he was going to do something to her? 612 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:26,864 She never said it, but I kinda felt it 613 00:24:26,932 --> 00:24:29,500 'cause he was starting to get into the drug scene. 614 00:24:29,569 --> 00:24:31,301 -Okay. -If dwayne was involved, 615 00:24:31,371 --> 00:24:32,903 What would be his reason for wanting to hurt debra? 616 00:24:32,972 --> 00:24:36,574 Money. It was always about money with him. 617 00:24:36,776 --> 00:24:38,443 But they was always taken care of. 618 00:24:38,644 --> 00:24:41,511 The kids came first before she did. 619 00:24:41,580 --> 00:24:44,181 Did she ever say that she had any kind of issues like that 620 00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:47,184 With her niece, sakeena? 621 00:24:47,253 --> 00:24:48,152 Not to me. 622 00:24:49,189 --> 00:24:50,787 Again, we're hearing about dwayne's anger 623 00:24:50,857 --> 00:24:53,658 Over the money that he thought debra owed him. 624 00:24:53,859 --> 00:24:57,495 Between this boyfriend's account about the money 625 00:24:57,696 --> 00:24:59,329 And the last boyfriend, it feels like 626 00:24:59,398 --> 00:25:02,734 Dwayne's potential motive over all this money 627 00:25:02,935 --> 00:25:04,335 Had been building for years. 628 00:25:04,537 --> 00:25:06,336 I try to make things happen every once in a while. 629 00:25:06,405 --> 00:25:08,907 -I like him, too! -Yeah. 630 00:25:15,213 --> 00:25:16,981 ♪♪♪ 631 00:25:18,017 --> 00:25:19,616 So we're on our way to see dwayne ishaaq, 632 00:25:19,686 --> 00:25:22,019 Ex-boyfriend of debra. 633 00:25:22,087 --> 00:25:23,687 He had actually called her the night that she was murdered, 634 00:25:23,889 --> 00:25:25,123 Talked to her for a little bit. -Right. 635 00:25:25,324 --> 00:25:27,424 And he's got a pretty solid alibi, looks like. 636 00:25:27,493 --> 00:25:28,559 Yeah. 637 00:25:28,627 --> 00:25:29,593 Debra chisholm and dwayne ishaaq 638 00:25:29,795 --> 00:25:31,862 Were actually dating at the time of her murder. 639 00:25:31,930 --> 00:25:34,499 They talked on the phone the night she was killed. 640 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:36,033 Dwayne has always had a strong alibi 641 00:25:36,101 --> 00:25:38,835 Corroborated by his wife and security cameras. 642 00:25:38,905 --> 00:25:40,872 However, we still need to talk to him to determine 643 00:25:41,074 --> 00:25:43,440 His movements throughout the day and night debra that was killed. 644 00:25:43,509 --> 00:25:44,908 [knock on door] 645 00:25:44,977 --> 00:25:46,244 -[dog barking in distance] -uh-oh. 646 00:25:46,445 --> 00:25:49,713 [continues knocking] 647 00:25:49,782 --> 00:25:50,681 With a vehicle parked in the driveway 648 00:25:50,749 --> 00:25:52,750 And noises coming from within the house, 649 00:25:52,951 --> 00:25:54,718 We think that our suspect dwayne might be in the house, 650 00:25:54,788 --> 00:25:56,521 However no one appears interested 651 00:25:56,722 --> 00:25:58,122 In talking to us at this time. 652 00:25:58,324 --> 00:25:59,790 I heard the dogs in there at one time. 653 00:25:59,858 --> 00:26:01,792 -Yeah, yeah. -And then I--you know, 654 00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:02,993 I thought I heard somebody moving. 655 00:26:03,063 --> 00:26:04,862 We'll just have to try again later. 656 00:26:08,067 --> 00:26:11,870 ♪♪♪ 657 00:26:12,071 --> 00:26:13,804 Sergeant, so we brought eric devlin with us. 658 00:26:13,874 --> 00:26:15,605 He used to be a prosecutor, 659 00:26:15,674 --> 00:26:17,876 And now he's our forensics expert, 660 00:26:18,077 --> 00:26:19,043 And he loves doing all this kind of stuff. 661 00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:20,912 You're gonna like him 'cause he's a geek. 662 00:26:21,814 --> 00:26:22,747 -[laughs] -okay, let's--let me get him 663 00:26:23,615 --> 00:26:24,682 And find out what he can tell us. 664 00:26:25,717 --> 00:26:26,551 We know that one of debra's last phone calls 665 00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:29,087 Was with her boyfriend, dwayne ishaaq, 666 00:26:30,489 --> 00:26:33,624 And we know that she was killed sometime between 10:30 and 11. 667 00:26:33,826 --> 00:26:34,559 -Morning or afternoon. -This is eric. 668 00:26:35,394 --> 00:26:36,060 -How are y'all? -All right, sir. 669 00:26:36,996 --> 00:26:39,097 Hopefully, our digital forensics expert 670 00:26:39,298 --> 00:26:40,097 Can give us some insight 671 00:26:41,033 --> 00:26:41,732 Into what the other suspects were doing 672 00:26:42,901 --> 00:26:44,569 Based on their cellphone records and maybe even tell us 673 00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:47,037 Where they were at that time. 674 00:26:47,107 --> 00:26:49,274 First number I looked at belonged to sakeena taylor. 675 00:26:49,475 --> 00:26:53,143 So I don't have location data. It's a toll record. 676 00:26:53,212 --> 00:26:55,045 These are the records during that particular time period. 677 00:26:55,114 --> 00:26:57,447 2200 hours up to 1100 hours. 678 00:26:57,516 --> 00:26:59,117 I believe the murder time 679 00:26:59,318 --> 00:27:00,851 Is somewhere right around here, so... 680 00:27:00,919 --> 00:27:02,519 So the last activity on sakeena's phone 681 00:27:02,588 --> 00:27:06,523 On the day of our murder is at 5:35 p.M. Eastern time? 682 00:27:06,592 --> 00:27:07,991 Correct. 683 00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:09,560 She didn't call anybody else that whole night? 684 00:27:09,628 --> 00:27:11,729 There's nothing, no calls until 9:49 the next morning. 685 00:27:11,797 --> 00:27:13,163 Damn. 686 00:27:13,233 --> 00:27:15,465 Dwayne's not calling her, and she's not calling him? 687 00:27:15,534 --> 00:27:18,135 I went looking for cellphone calls between them. 688 00:27:18,204 --> 00:27:21,071 The only one I could find is around December 1st. 689 00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:22,005 -Wow. -They're not calling 690 00:27:22,075 --> 00:27:23,540 Each other's cellphones. -On a regular basis. 691 00:27:23,609 --> 00:27:24,808 Okay. 692 00:27:24,878 --> 00:27:26,611 Sakeena did not use her cellphone 693 00:27:26,812 --> 00:27:28,078 Around the time of the murder, 694 00:27:29,349 --> 00:27:32,316 And she had not even spoken to her brother in over a week. 695 00:27:32,352 --> 00:27:35,285 It doesn't mean that she didn't play a role in debra's murder, 696 00:27:35,354 --> 00:27:38,689 But her cellphone records themselves 697 00:27:38,758 --> 00:27:41,024 Are not at all incriminating. 698 00:27:41,093 --> 00:27:43,294 -Okay, what you got next? -Moving on to dwayne taylor. 699 00:27:43,495 --> 00:27:46,430 These are some actual call detail records, 700 00:27:46,498 --> 00:27:48,232 So I can give you some location data on these. 701 00:27:48,434 --> 00:27:51,101 So you gave me one particular important location, 702 00:27:51,171 --> 00:27:53,170 Which my understanding is where the homicide occurred. 703 00:27:53,238 --> 00:27:54,138 Yes. 704 00:27:55,107 --> 00:27:55,606 Give me the times that he's on his phone 705 00:27:56,375 --> 00:27:57,074 Closest to our murder window, 706 00:27:58,043 --> 00:27:58,475 Which is around 10:30, 11:00 at night. 707 00:27:59,779 --> 00:28:03,146 Uh...8:24 p.M., he is hitting off this particular tower, 708 00:28:03,215 --> 00:28:05,148 Which could put him anywhere in this particular area. 709 00:28:05,218 --> 00:28:06,584 That catches the murder house. 710 00:28:06,785 --> 00:28:07,751 Does not catch the murder house. 711 00:28:07,819 --> 00:28:08,987 Okay. 712 00:28:09,188 --> 00:28:09,953 At 11:16 p.M., he is hitting off 713 00:28:10,156 --> 00:28:11,054 The same cell tower 714 00:28:11,124 --> 00:28:13,056 He's hitting off of at 8:24, 715 00:28:13,126 --> 00:28:15,159 But during this entire break 716 00:28:15,361 --> 00:28:18,262 Between 8:24 and 11:16, there is no communication. 717 00:28:18,464 --> 00:28:20,530 There is no tracking where he is. 718 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,533 He could be anywhere. He could be committing murder. 719 00:28:23,602 --> 00:28:25,369 He could be sitting at home doing nothing. 720 00:28:25,437 --> 00:28:26,470 Okay. 721 00:28:26,505 --> 00:28:27,505 Dwayne's cellphone records 722 00:28:28,674 --> 00:28:30,874 Are a bit more telling than sakeena's, but not much. 723 00:28:30,943 --> 00:28:33,710 Like his sister, there's a black hole of non-usage 724 00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:36,814 During the murder window 725 00:28:37,016 --> 00:28:40,016 With no calls or activity to show us where he was. 726 00:28:40,085 --> 00:28:43,086 So from 8:30 at night until 11:15 at night, 727 00:28:43,155 --> 00:28:46,824 About three hours, we got a window there, right? 728 00:28:47,026 --> 00:28:47,824 -Correct. -And the rest of the day, 729 00:28:47,894 --> 00:28:50,293 He's on his phone all day long. -Correct. 730 00:28:50,362 --> 00:28:52,462 -There's not another 3-hour gap. -No. 731 00:28:52,531 --> 00:28:54,699 So what's he doing for three solid hours 732 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:56,500 When the whole rest of the day, 733 00:28:56,503 --> 00:28:58,702 He hasn't left that phone alone for three hours? 734 00:28:58,771 --> 00:29:00,504 -Yeah. -Right, exactly. 735 00:29:00,572 --> 00:29:03,541 Siegler: Then again, maybe dwayne's cellphone inactivity 736 00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:05,142 Is evidence. 737 00:29:05,344 --> 00:29:07,344 He made around 20 calls that day, 738 00:29:07,412 --> 00:29:09,881 And around the time of the murder 739 00:29:10,082 --> 00:29:12,984 Is his only 3-hour gap of inactivity. 740 00:29:13,185 --> 00:29:15,386 -All right, man, thank you. -You bet. 741 00:29:17,823 --> 00:29:19,990 ♪♪♪ 742 00:29:20,058 --> 00:29:22,625 So hopefully sakeena will talk to us. 743 00:29:22,661 --> 00:29:23,794 Yeah. 744 00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:25,795 It's time now that we talk to our suspect, sakeena taylor. 745 00:29:25,864 --> 00:29:28,932 Although her problems don't seem to be as severe with debra 746 00:29:29,001 --> 00:29:30,801 Or as volatile as her brother dwayne's, 747 00:29:30,869 --> 00:29:32,036 We know that they fought over money, 748 00:29:33,105 --> 00:29:33,537 And that she was allegedly acting very strange 749 00:29:34,139 --> 00:29:35,406 At debra's funeral. 750 00:29:35,607 --> 00:29:39,409 [knocking on door] 751 00:29:39,478 --> 00:29:40,911 If she isn't involved, this is a good chance 752 00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:42,546 For her to set the record straight. 753 00:29:42,681 --> 00:29:43,947 ♪♪♪ 754 00:29:44,150 --> 00:29:47,885 Hi. Is sakeena taylor here? 755 00:29:47,953 --> 00:29:50,387 Could I speak with her, please? 756 00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:52,090 You sakeena? Hey, sakeena. I'm robert thacker. 757 00:29:52,291 --> 00:29:53,923 I'm with the city of mauldin police department. 758 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,361 You got a minute to talk to us for a minute? 759 00:29:57,429 --> 00:29:59,729 You--you working? 760 00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:05,570 Oh. Um, will you have time to talk to us today sometime? 761 00:30:05,771 --> 00:30:09,940 Um, we're investigating, um, your aunt's case. 762 00:30:13,512 --> 00:30:14,711 Oh, yeah. 763 00:30:14,780 --> 00:30:17,714 Yeah. It is. I understand. 764 00:30:17,783 --> 00:30:19,950 Well, you know... 765 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,221 You don't got a few minutes now, have you? No? 766 00:30:26,592 --> 00:30:30,060 I mean, I can--we can reach you after 7. That's no problem. 767 00:30:30,128 --> 00:30:31,795 Okay. Okay. 768 00:30:31,864 --> 00:30:33,063 -Thanks a lot. -Thank you. 769 00:30:33,131 --> 00:30:35,066 All right, yes. 770 00:30:35,267 --> 00:30:37,934 Sakeena is a tough read. 771 00:30:38,004 --> 00:30:39,736 She came to the door and appeared to be polite. 772 00:30:39,805 --> 00:30:42,006 However, she definitely gave us the brush-off. 773 00:30:42,207 --> 00:30:43,341 We don't have an arrest warrant. 774 00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:45,276 So she doesn't have to talk to us, 775 00:30:45,477 --> 00:30:48,078 But you have to ask yourself, why, if this was your aunt, 776 00:30:48,146 --> 00:30:49,145 Who you loved and raised you, 777 00:30:49,215 --> 00:30:50,681 Wouldn't you help law enforcement 778 00:30:50,883 --> 00:30:51,949 Find the person who did this? 779 00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:53,550 I think she may know, 780 00:30:53,619 --> 00:30:56,353 And she may be afraid of the truth itself. 781 00:30:56,421 --> 00:30:59,757 Very guarded. Got those women's instincts up 782 00:30:59,959 --> 00:31:01,558 That she knows we ain't there 783 00:31:01,627 --> 00:31:04,695 For a quick cup of coffee or something. 784 00:31:04,897 --> 00:31:06,164 -She didn't seem negative. -No. 785 00:31:06,365 --> 00:31:07,831 -I think she might call. -Yeah, she-- 786 00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:10,301 For some reason, I think she might call. 787 00:31:10,436 --> 00:31:12,503 ♪♪♪ 788 00:31:19,344 --> 00:31:20,744 ♪♪♪ 789 00:31:21,947 --> 00:31:24,514 Well, hopefully sakeena will open the door for us. 790 00:31:24,583 --> 00:31:27,584 We'll see. She's not exactly a picture of cooperation. 791 00:31:27,654 --> 00:31:29,052 Yeah. 792 00:31:29,121 --> 00:31:30,120 We hoped our suspect, sakeena taylor, 793 00:31:30,188 --> 00:31:31,789 Would get back to us after our visit yesterday, 794 00:31:31,991 --> 00:31:33,224 But she hasn't. 795 00:31:33,425 --> 00:31:35,091 So we're gonna drop by again today 796 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,194 And see if we can get her to talk to us this time. 797 00:31:37,262 --> 00:31:41,064 All right, let's go talk to ms. Sakeena. 798 00:31:41,134 --> 00:31:43,467 She told us she works from 10 to 7, 799 00:31:43,535 --> 00:31:46,304 So we're here bright and early today. 800 00:31:46,505 --> 00:31:50,608 Ms. Taylor, police department. 801 00:31:50,809 --> 00:31:52,409 [continues knocking] 802 00:31:52,477 --> 00:31:55,279 Ms. Taylor, police department. 803 00:31:55,481 --> 00:31:58,616 I don't hear any movement this time. We did yesterday. 804 00:31:58,817 --> 00:32:00,150 [continues knocking] 805 00:32:00,220 --> 00:32:01,953 Ms. Taylor, police department. 806 00:32:02,154 --> 00:32:05,889 She ain't answering the door for us today. 807 00:32:05,957 --> 00:32:07,490 Yeah, darn it, we tried. 808 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,493 Got a number for her. We can call her. 809 00:32:09,561 --> 00:32:11,561 [line rings] 810 00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:12,763 Hello? 811 00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:15,765 This ms. Taylor? 812 00:32:15,834 --> 00:32:18,502 Hey, I came--I was looking for you to call me yesterday, 813 00:32:18,704 --> 00:32:20,771 And I came back out in the morning to talk to you. 814 00:32:20,973 --> 00:32:22,973 I'm sorry... 815 00:32:29,715 --> 00:32:31,248 You don't want to-- you don't wanna-- 816 00:32:31,316 --> 00:32:33,851 You don't wanna find out who killed your aunt? 817 00:32:34,053 --> 00:32:38,155 You don't wanna--you don't wanna find out who killed your aunt? 818 00:32:42,594 --> 00:32:43,995 Well, we're trying to find out who killed your aunt. 819 00:32:44,196 --> 00:32:47,264 You don't have any information for us? 820 00:32:51,737 --> 00:32:55,071 But you know, and the person that did it is still out there. 821 00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:57,807 You're not concerned about-- 822 00:32:57,877 --> 00:32:59,543 You not-- 823 00:32:59,611 --> 00:33:02,013 You're not concerned--you're not concerned about her? 824 00:33:02,214 --> 00:33:03,214 You're not concerned about her? 825 00:33:03,415 --> 00:33:06,015 [line disconnects] 826 00:33:06,084 --> 00:33:07,017 [sighs] 827 00:33:07,086 --> 00:33:09,152 You know, this thing is just so frustrating. 828 00:33:09,222 --> 00:33:10,420 This is why these cases go cold. 829 00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:12,222 You know, nobody cares. 830 00:33:12,292 --> 00:33:13,790 Nobody wants to talk to the police. 831 00:33:17,296 --> 00:33:21,698 ♪♪♪ 832 00:33:21,768 --> 00:33:23,666 Hello? Mr. Neely. 833 00:33:23,736 --> 00:33:25,835 Are you--are you at home right now, sir? 834 00:33:25,904 --> 00:33:28,306 Okay, um, I'll be out here waiting on you. 835 00:33:28,507 --> 00:33:32,909 I wanted to talk to you about dwayne taylor, remember? 836 00:33:32,979 --> 00:33:34,244 All right, thank you, sir. 837 00:33:34,314 --> 00:33:35,846 After talking to debra's neighbors 838 00:33:36,048 --> 00:33:37,314 And reviewing the scene, 839 00:33:37,382 --> 00:33:38,915 We believe debra's killer drove a black truck 840 00:33:38,985 --> 00:33:41,184 And damaged it by fleeing. 841 00:33:41,386 --> 00:33:43,119 None of our suspects own that type of vehicle. 842 00:33:43,188 --> 00:33:45,755 But the mauldin p.D. Recognized that earlier in the day 843 00:33:45,757 --> 00:33:46,890 Of debra's murder, 844 00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:50,394 Dwayne had brought his car to a mechanic for repairs. 845 00:33:50,596 --> 00:33:51,929 We're wondering if there's a connection 846 00:33:51,997 --> 00:33:53,263 Between dwayne's car trouble 847 00:33:53,333 --> 00:33:54,798 And the mystery truck in this case. 848 00:33:54,866 --> 00:33:56,932 How you doing, sir? All right. This is steve. 849 00:33:56,935 --> 00:33:58,202 Hello. How you doing, sir? Nice to meet you. 850 00:33:58,403 --> 00:33:59,803 We've tracked down sam neely, 851 00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:03,139 The owner of the garage that serviced dwayne's car. 852 00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:04,808 Can you tell us about dwayne taylor? 853 00:34:04,877 --> 00:34:06,344 Right. Yes. 854 00:34:09,214 --> 00:34:10,280 Right. 855 00:34:15,153 --> 00:34:16,487 Right. 856 00:34:38,643 --> 00:34:39,944 So the damage wasn't on the truck 857 00:34:40,145 --> 00:34:42,579 When you gave it to dwayne. 858 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:48,285 Okay. 859 00:34:49,187 --> 00:34:51,121 Right. 860 00:34:53,925 --> 00:34:55,325 Not only did dwayne borrow sam's pickup truck 861 00:34:55,393 --> 00:34:57,193 On the day debra was killed, 862 00:34:57,262 --> 00:34:59,195 When he returned, it had damage on its side, 863 00:34:59,264 --> 00:35:03,400 And the gas can in the bed of the truck was missing the lid. 864 00:35:03,468 --> 00:35:05,001 And we know that the killer used gasoline 865 00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:07,971 To set debra on fire and her home after the murder. 866 00:35:07,973 --> 00:35:08,938 What it sound like? 867 00:35:09,007 --> 00:35:11,207 They say it used to tick like a sprinkler system. 868 00:35:11,276 --> 00:35:12,342 It sound like a sprinkler system. 869 00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:13,543 Sound like a sprinkler system. 870 00:35:13,612 --> 00:35:14,611 -Yeah. -Okay. 871 00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:20,750 [laughs] 872 00:35:20,819 --> 00:35:22,953 With sam neely confirming that his vehicle 873 00:35:23,155 --> 00:35:25,555 Was actually the one making that odd sound, 874 00:35:25,624 --> 00:35:27,490 I'd say we got a truckload of circumstantial evidence 875 00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:29,426 Against dwayne at this point. 876 00:35:29,494 --> 00:35:30,426 -Thanks a lot, sir. -Yeah. 877 00:35:30,495 --> 00:35:31,695 -God bless you. -All right. 878 00:35:31,763 --> 00:35:32,830 Thank you. 879 00:35:34,366 --> 00:35:35,965 ♪♪♪ 880 00:35:36,034 --> 00:35:38,535 So what's the plan with dwayne right now? 881 00:35:38,571 --> 00:35:42,205 We're gonna call the jail and have him transported 882 00:35:42,407 --> 00:35:43,973 And see if he wants to talk to us. 883 00:35:44,043 --> 00:35:47,944 Now that we can place dwayne at the scene of his aunt's house 884 00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:49,412 On the night of the murder, 885 00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:51,482 It's time to confront him with the evidence. 886 00:35:51,683 --> 00:35:53,517 Lucky for us, he's gonna be easy to find 887 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,919 'cause he's currently in custody here in the county jail 888 00:35:55,987 --> 00:35:59,189 On an unrelated domestic violence charge. 889 00:35:59,258 --> 00:36:01,624 And as long as he sits in there and doesn't lawyer up, 890 00:36:01,694 --> 00:36:03,526 You know, just keep going at him. 891 00:36:03,595 --> 00:36:05,663 Yeah, we gonna chat. 892 00:36:12,403 --> 00:36:17,875 ♪♪♪ 893 00:36:18,476 --> 00:36:20,410 All right, so ready? 894 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,579 -Yeah. -Hello? 895 00:36:27,486 --> 00:36:30,520 So he refused to come out at all? 896 00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:34,225 We were so eager to confront dwayne taylor 897 00:36:34,426 --> 00:36:36,360 About his aunt's murder. 898 00:36:36,561 --> 00:36:37,828 All right, man. Appreciate it. Thank you. 899 00:36:38,029 --> 00:36:39,563 -All right. -But when the investigators 900 00:36:39,765 --> 00:36:42,632 Went to try and approach him, he refused to talk. 901 00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:43,834 So they didn't even tell him what it was for, 902 00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:46,220 But he knew it was the mauldin police department? 903 00:36:46,221 --> 00:36:46,537 He knows. He knew exactly what it was for. 904 00:36:47,606 --> 00:36:49,840 -Okay. -He knew exactly what it's for. 905 00:36:49,875 --> 00:36:51,341 We also got ahold of dwayne ishaaq, 906 00:36:51,544 --> 00:36:53,210 But he didn't wanna talk either. 907 00:36:53,245 --> 00:36:56,246 Fortunately, we still feel like we've uncovered a lot 908 00:36:56,449 --> 00:36:58,916 Over the course of this investigation. 909 00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:00,516 Let's look up here at our board. 910 00:37:00,585 --> 00:37:02,652 We have dwayne ishaaq. 911 00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:04,387 You went to that gas station and got video footage of him... 912 00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:05,589 -Right. -...At the time he told you. 913 00:37:05,791 --> 00:37:07,190 Yes. Now, the witness-- 914 00:37:07,259 --> 00:37:08,458 Nobody's putting him at the house. 915 00:37:08,528 --> 00:37:10,326 -He's got no issue with her. -Right, no. 916 00:37:10,396 --> 00:37:12,462 With all that being said and done, 917 00:37:12,532 --> 00:37:14,197 What's your feeling about dwayne ishaaq today? 918 00:37:14,265 --> 00:37:16,267 -Take him off. -Take him off. 919 00:37:16,468 --> 00:37:17,801 I definitely say take him off. 920 00:37:17,869 --> 00:37:19,603 Boyfriends and husbands are usually 921 00:37:19,805 --> 00:37:22,071 Always the first suspects in a murder case, 922 00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:23,172 And it would have been nice 923 00:37:23,209 --> 00:37:26,476 If we could've talked to dwayne ishaaq yet again. 924 00:37:26,678 --> 00:37:28,878 The truth is, he has had a solid alibi. 925 00:37:28,948 --> 00:37:32,349 We never uncovered any possible motive, 926 00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:33,384 And from talking to debra's exes, 927 00:37:34,387 --> 00:37:36,554 It's pretty clear that she was always able 928 00:37:36,755 --> 00:37:37,955 To continue positive relationships 929 00:37:39,157 --> 00:37:40,690 With her boyfriends even after she broke up with them. 930 00:37:40,759 --> 00:37:43,226 Okay. Let's talk about sakeena. 931 00:37:43,229 --> 00:37:46,564 Sakeena and dwayne did not talk by telephone 932 00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:48,131 The night of the murder. -Right. 933 00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:50,434 She didn't call anybody else that whole night? 934 00:37:50,635 --> 00:37:51,234 There's no calls until 9:49 the next morning. 935 00:37:51,303 --> 00:37:52,702 Damn. 936 00:37:52,737 --> 00:37:55,838 Was sakeena a problem for her like dwayne was? 937 00:37:55,908 --> 00:37:58,241 How do y'all feel about sakeena being on the suspect board? 938 00:37:58,309 --> 00:38:00,978 -Shawn, what do you think? -I think she's just distraught 939 00:38:01,179 --> 00:38:03,580 Because she has her brother, and she has to protect him. 940 00:38:03,648 --> 00:38:05,381 -Right. -Take her off. 941 00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:07,250 -So sakeena comes off. -Yes, ma'am. 942 00:38:07,319 --> 00:38:11,187 It feels like sakeena either knows or she suspects 943 00:38:11,256 --> 00:38:14,123 That her brother's involved in her aunt's murder. 944 00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:17,594 And though clearly, she had issues with debra, 945 00:38:17,662 --> 00:38:21,131 Like with dwayne ishaaq, there's no evidence to suggest 946 00:38:21,333 --> 00:38:24,400 That she was involved or tried to cover it up at all. 947 00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:27,604 Okay, what all do we have against dwayne taylor 948 00:38:27,672 --> 00:38:29,739 That you wanna talk to your prosecutor about? 949 00:38:29,809 --> 00:38:32,542 Lay the foundation with motive. 950 00:38:32,612 --> 00:38:34,945 We're talking about a lady that raised him. 951 00:38:35,013 --> 00:38:36,213 Mm-hmm. 952 00:38:37,482 --> 00:38:39,483 And all he could think about was, "where's my ssi money?" 953 00:38:39,685 --> 00:38:41,217 It was always about money. 954 00:38:41,287 --> 00:38:44,687 And then get into she was always having to kick him out. 955 00:38:44,757 --> 00:38:47,090 You know, she would kick him out and she'd let him back. 956 00:38:47,125 --> 00:38:50,293 He was living there with her, but she had to kick him out, 957 00:38:50,361 --> 00:38:53,029 Was not respecting any rules of her household. 958 00:38:53,098 --> 00:38:55,999 And then we have mr. Sullivan. What does he say, shawn? 959 00:38:56,067 --> 00:38:57,567 They got into an argument over money, 960 00:38:57,635 --> 00:38:59,969 And she kicked him out. 961 00:39:00,038 --> 00:39:01,171 He knew she was--he was supposed to be coming over there 962 00:39:01,373 --> 00:39:02,372 To pick up clothing. 963 00:39:02,574 --> 00:39:03,539 -For good. -For good, you know? 964 00:39:03,575 --> 00:39:04,808 -Yeah. -And leave. 965 00:39:07,846 --> 00:39:11,047 She probably told this to you when? Within that week? 966 00:39:11,116 --> 00:39:13,449 And who in the whole wide world is gonna come 967 00:39:13,518 --> 00:39:15,853 All the way back to debra's bedroom 968 00:39:16,054 --> 00:39:17,920 And catch her when she's getting out of the shower 969 00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:19,656 With a knife already in his hand? 970 00:39:19,724 --> 00:39:20,857 Somebody that used to live there 971 00:39:20,926 --> 00:39:22,058 And knows the layout of the house. 972 00:39:22,128 --> 00:39:23,460 We heard that dwayne had a history 973 00:39:23,462 --> 00:39:25,961 Of breaking into debra's home, 974 00:39:25,963 --> 00:39:29,333 Which is why she barricaded her back door in the first place. 975 00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:32,435 Then you get to the night of the fire. 976 00:39:32,503 --> 00:39:36,540 Witnesses the ways--first ones that heard that pickup truck. 977 00:39:36,741 --> 00:39:37,940 It sound like a sprinkler system. 978 00:39:38,009 --> 00:39:38,809 -Sound like a sprinkler system. -Yes. 979 00:39:39,010 --> 00:39:40,042 -Okay. -[imitates sprinkler whooshing] 980 00:39:40,112 --> 00:39:41,278 Okay. 981 00:39:42,481 --> 00:39:43,013 We know the owner of the truck, who was mr. Neely, 982 00:39:44,015 --> 00:39:45,982 Confirmed that dwayne did borrow his truck. 983 00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:48,117 When mr. Neely got the truck back, 984 00:39:48,186 --> 00:39:49,919 He noticed there was damage to the truck. 985 00:39:52,891 --> 00:39:55,092 Yeah. 986 00:39:55,293 --> 00:39:57,761 And what are the odds that the same black truck 987 00:39:57,963 --> 00:40:00,763 Borrowed by dwayne taylor, has damage on it, 988 00:40:00,833 --> 00:40:03,634 Equal to the tree sitting right beside the house? 989 00:40:03,835 --> 00:40:05,235 -What are the odds? -Yeah. 990 00:40:05,437 --> 00:40:07,704 His own statement to law enforcement originally... 991 00:40:07,772 --> 00:40:09,706 He said he had to be at work at 11:00. 992 00:40:09,774 --> 00:40:11,174 -He doesn't show up till 12:45. -Yeah, right. 993 00:40:11,243 --> 00:40:13,176 I've always thought that the best murder cases 994 00:40:13,245 --> 00:40:15,978 Are a combination of circumstantial and physical, 995 00:40:16,048 --> 00:40:16,847 And you got it here. This is great. 996 00:40:17,048 --> 00:40:18,981 You just lead from one to the other. 997 00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:21,385 -It's a good case. -It is. This is now or never. 998 00:40:21,586 --> 00:40:22,986 It's been 14 years. 999 00:40:23,188 --> 00:40:25,923 We're excited to present this case against dwayne taylor 1000 00:40:26,124 --> 00:40:28,925 To the 13th judicial district's solicitor's office 1001 00:40:28,993 --> 00:40:31,528 In the hopes that they'll move ahead 1002 00:40:31,729 --> 00:40:34,664 In charging him with the murder of his aunt, debra chisholm. 1003 00:40:34,734 --> 00:40:36,666 -You can sell it? -Oh, yeah. 1004 00:40:36,736 --> 00:40:38,869 -"oh, yeah." I like that. -[laughs] 1005 00:40:39,004 --> 00:40:41,871 ♪♪♪ 1006 00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:46,009 ♪ remember the kindness ♪ 1007 00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:48,644 ♪ remember the life ♪ 1008 00:40:48,646 --> 00:40:51,481 Been waiting long to tell 'em, right? 1009 00:40:51,550 --> 00:40:54,217 Almost 14 years. 1010 00:40:54,285 --> 00:40:56,485 You should be proud. 1011 00:40:56,554 --> 00:40:58,754 ♪ smile ♪ 1012 00:40:58,756 --> 00:40:59,990 After speaking with the d.A., 1013 00:41:00,191 --> 00:41:01,224 The first thing that came to my mind 1014 00:41:01,293 --> 00:41:04,293 Was that taineisha, gloria, and the rest of the family 1015 00:41:04,362 --> 00:41:06,162 Would finally get closure-- 1016 00:41:06,232 --> 00:41:09,166 Something they've been waiting for for a long time. 1017 00:41:09,367 --> 00:41:12,969 ♪ I'm alive ♪ 1018 00:41:13,038 --> 00:41:14,370 -Hello, ladies. -Hello. 1019 00:41:14,439 --> 00:41:15,505 -Hi. -Hi. 1020 00:41:15,573 --> 00:41:18,174 I'm hoping it gives them some kind of sense of mind 1021 00:41:18,244 --> 00:41:19,642 To move forward. 1022 00:41:19,711 --> 00:41:21,644 -You all doing okay today? -Yeah. 1023 00:41:21,714 --> 00:41:22,912 Hanging in there. How about yourself? 1024 00:41:22,981 --> 00:41:24,515 Doing fine. Wonderful. Wonderful. 1025 00:41:24,716 --> 00:41:25,248 -We got good news. -That's good. 1026 00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:27,250 -Good. -Real good news. 1027 00:41:27,319 --> 00:41:28,151 We talked to the prosecutor. 1028 00:41:29,053 --> 00:41:29,686 -Okay. -And we got the green light 1029 00:41:30,855 --> 00:41:32,389 To go forward and be signing warrants on dwayne. 1030 00:41:33,658 --> 00:41:35,391 To arrest and charge dwayne with murder and arson, right? 1031 00:41:35,461 --> 00:41:36,993 Arson, yes. 1032 00:41:37,061 --> 00:41:42,732 So overwhelmingly, the evidence suggests that he did it? 1033 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,066 Yes, ma'am. 1034 00:41:44,136 --> 00:41:46,068 I mean, it's even more unconscionable 1035 00:41:46,138 --> 00:41:50,740 For it to be my cousin, but it's...Confirmation. 1036 00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:52,742 -Right, right. Something--yeah. -Okay. 1037 00:41:52,812 --> 00:41:57,947 I'm feeling a mixture of relief, disbelief, 1038 00:41:58,016 --> 00:41:59,615 A lot of simmering anger, 1039 00:41:59,684 --> 00:42:03,887 But in reflecting on this past 14 years, 1040 00:42:04,089 --> 00:42:06,956 I'm pretty strong, and I get that from, you know, 1041 00:42:07,025 --> 00:42:09,358 In hindsight, I get that from her. 1042 00:42:09,494 --> 00:42:10,559 ♪♪♪ 1043 00:42:10,628 --> 00:42:12,061 -We also... -[clears throat] 1044 00:42:13,431 --> 00:42:15,899 ...Looked into whether or not sakeena was involved or knew. 1045 00:42:16,101 --> 00:42:17,433 -We did all that, too. -Mm-hmm. 1046 00:42:17,503 --> 00:42:20,436 And I think that we can pretty much tell you she-- 1047 00:42:20,505 --> 00:42:22,105 She's absolutely not involved. 1048 00:42:22,173 --> 00:42:24,974 She wouldn't really talk. You tried to talk to her. 1049 00:42:25,043 --> 00:42:25,775 -We went to talk to her twice. -She wouldn't... 1050 00:42:25,843 --> 00:42:27,076 -Yeah. -She wouldn't talk to me. 1051 00:42:27,111 --> 00:42:31,113 We figured that. I guess it's a loyalty to your brother, 1052 00:42:31,182 --> 00:42:35,651 But still, that was your aunt who raised you. 1053 00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,186 -Right. -You know what I'm saying? 1054 00:42:37,256 --> 00:42:39,055 You still have a hard road ahead of you, 1055 00:42:39,123 --> 00:42:40,389 But it's been wonderful meeting you all, 1056 00:42:40,458 --> 00:42:42,792 And your mom's friends were wonderful. 1057 00:42:42,862 --> 00:42:44,860 -Thank you. -Yes, ma'am. 1058 00:42:44,929 --> 00:42:46,662 -It's nice meeting you. -Definitely good news. 1059 00:42:46,732 --> 00:42:49,132 -Thank you so much. -Here, let me hug you. 1060 00:42:49,334 --> 00:42:50,601 She's coming up. 1061 00:42:50,802 --> 00:42:51,534 -Thank you so much. -Thank you. 1062 00:42:51,736 --> 00:42:53,270 -Yes, ma'am. -You're quite welcome. 1063 00:42:54,572 --> 00:42:58,407 It's bittersweet to bring this news to taineisha and gloria 1064 00:42:58,477 --> 00:43:00,543 Because someone that they love 1065 00:43:00,745 --> 00:43:02,479 Killed someone else that they loved. 1066 00:43:02,681 --> 00:43:04,448 I love you. 1067 00:43:04,649 --> 00:43:08,351 But hopefully, knowing that justice is finally being served, 1068 00:43:08,419 --> 00:43:12,221 Maybe this will also bring them a little peace. 1069 00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:16,459 ♪ let's keep hope alive ♪ 1070 00:43:16,595 --> 00:43:22,832 ♪♪♪ 1071 00:43:22,901 --> 00:43:25,301 -Custody, right? -You know I am, sir. 1072 00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:26,637 You're gonna stand right here. I got two copies, 1073 00:43:26,838 --> 00:43:29,573 Got two warrants to read to you, okay? 1074 00:43:29,774 --> 00:43:31,107 On the 12th of December, 2007, 1075 00:43:31,176 --> 00:43:32,975 The defendant, dwayne caseem taylor, 1076 00:43:33,045 --> 00:43:34,912 Did commit the offense of murder with malice aforethought 1077 00:43:35,113 --> 00:43:36,446 Against the victim, debra chisholm. 1078 00:43:37,782 --> 00:43:41,784 Siegler: On September 17, 2021, dwayne taylor was charged 1079 00:43:41,853 --> 00:43:43,987 With first degree arson 1080 00:43:44,189 --> 00:43:46,055 And the murder of debra chisholm. 1081 00:43:46,125 --> 00:43:48,125 ...Brookbend road, mauldin, south carolina.