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♪ rise up from the ashes ♪
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How many arson cases
have you worked, steve?
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You know, arsons
are an interesting crime.
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They're hard to work.
The fire department
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Destroys half of the evidence,
and then to try to go back
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Into these places
and walk around...
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Thank god her wounds are
obvious enough
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To where arson
isn't the cause of death.
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Steve and I are here
in south carolina
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To investigate
the shocking murder
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Of debra chisolm.
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Late one night
back in 2007,
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Deborah was attacked
in her home,
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Bludgeoned and stabbed
to death seven times
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Before her killer poured
gasoline on her body
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And burned her home
practically to the ground.
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We know debra was 44
when this happened.
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She took in her niece
and nephew to live with her.
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She had a lot of friends.
Normal social life, right?
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Did you consider her
a high-risk victim?
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-Absolutely not.
-Thirteen years
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Before the murder happened,
debra's sister passed away,
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So as a result of that,
debra took in to raise
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Along with her own daughter
taineisha,
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Her nephew dwayne
and her niece sakeena.
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At the time of the murder,
they were both grown
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And had just recently
moved out.
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But when the smoke cleared,
the investigators
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Started hearing rumors that
debra's death
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May have been the result
of an old family grudge.
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Debra's friends, girlfriends
and coworkers,
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She shared a lot about her
relationship with her niece
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And nephew and daughter.
Did they love each other?
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Did they hate each other?
What was the issue?
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What was the problem, right?
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[steve] I got decades of
experience with arson cases,
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And they're always a challenge.
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If we're going to solve debra's,
we can't focus on
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On the evidence that was lost.
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We have to focus on the evidence
that we still have--
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The neighbors,
cell phone records,
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The witnesses, and the actual
suspects themselves.
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-I think it's a great case.
-[man] why?
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There's still a lot of questions
here about this arson.
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♪ whoa-oh-oh-oh ♪
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♪ rise up from the ashes ♪
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It has been 16 years
and still no answers...
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Police consider her killing
a cult killing...
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Years later,
the case is still unsolved...
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I've chosen cold cases
from across the country
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And teamed up with the best
detectives to solve them.
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We're more determined than ever
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To bring justice
to these victims.
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-Good morning.
-Hi.
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I'm interim chief
george miller.
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-Nice to meet you, sir.
-Nice to meet you.
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-Robert thacker.
-I'm kelly.
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Steve spignola,
nice to meet you, sir.
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-How are you?
-Shawn smith.
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Look at that bow tie!
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That's a
south carolina thing, huh?
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Yes. [laughs]
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When did y'all first get
acquainted with this case?
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I started working the case
back in 2012.
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That was one of
the first things I did
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Took over as interim chief
was to try
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And get this case solved.
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We feel like
that it is solvable.
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Do y'all not hire little guys
here or something?
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-Is that a rule?
-[men laugh]
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-It's the south.
-I like that!
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Let's go. Come on.
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Debra was
a very outgoing person,
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Always willing
to help somebody.
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No one deserved to lose
their life the way she did.
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It's something
that you get motivated
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To close this case and bring
some closure to the family,
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At least give them
some kind of comfort.
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Let's put debra's pictures
up on the board.
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She was only 44
when it happened, right?
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-Yes, ma'am.
-Pretty dang young.
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What was her story?
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Debra was a single mother.
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Her sister passed away
earlier on,
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And she ended up taking care
of the niece and nephew.
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She put her daughter
through college, taineisha.
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-And taineisha now lives where?
-In north carolina.
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She's actually a doctor.
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Debra worked for
the city of greenville
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And she had a lot of friends.
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Yeah, she seemed pretty social,
right?
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-Yes, ma'am.
-When the sister passed away,
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Debra just took on
the role of being their parent.
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From what I've gathered from
family and friends
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And everybody,
she took care of them
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Just like they were
her own kids.
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My mom actually was divorced
and a single mother,
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Black female,
just like debra was.
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That's what motivates me
to find this person
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And put them in jail.
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Start with the front
of the story.
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December 12, 2007.
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The fire department
responded to a fire.
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After the fire
was extinguished,
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That's when
the fire department stumbled on
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A body that was charred.
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The next day an autopsy
was performed,
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And the cause and manner of
death was ruled a homicide.
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There was evident stab wounds
and blunt force trauma
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To her skull.
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Did anybody know
that was coming?
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-No.
-Didn't know there would
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Be a body and didn't know it
wasn't gonna be
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-Just from the fire.
-No, ma'am.
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-Damn.
-Yeah.
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Forensic testing determined
that the killer used gasoline
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To set debra's house on fire
after the murder
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In a likely attempt
to cover up the crime.
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But luckily,
the fire department was able
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To extinguish
the fire quickly.
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The killer wasn't as slick
as they thought they were.
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Okay, so let's start with
our suspect board.
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-Y'all want to do dwayne first?
-Yes.
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Dwayne taylor.
So he's gonna be debra's--
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-The nephew.
-Nephew.
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And when this happened,
we say he was 22?
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-Twenty-two.
-What do we know
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About the relationship
between dwayne and debra?
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We know they were having some--
some issues.
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-Over what?
-Money.
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What debra was receiving
for dwayne and sakeena
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As they were growing up,
ssi checks.
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And we don't know
how much money, do we?
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We don't know how much money.
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Dwayne was debra's nephew,
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Who had an understandably
troubled childhood.
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But investigators discovered
that the real trouble started
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When dwayne got
a little bit older
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And he became convinced
that debra was withholding
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The social security benefits
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That he and sakeena
were receiving
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Because of his mom's death.
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There's no evidence
that she was,
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But if dwayne believed that,
that could be our motive.
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Now prior to that,
she had some issues with dwayne
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-Getting arrested...
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...And stuff like that.
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She had to actually kick him
out the house.
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When did she kick him out?
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It was two months prior
to her death.
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What was his initial story
as to where he was
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Around the time you think
the fire started?
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He wrote a statement that said
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Prior to going to work
that day,
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He was at his cousin's house.
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Spoke to the cousins,
the cousins said,
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"dwayne wasn't here."
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And then later on we found out
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That he was late for his job.
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He worked from 11:00 p.M.
To 7:00 a.M.
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On that particular day,
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He did not arrive at work
until 12:45.
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Okay.
We don't know
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What time debra was killed
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Or what time the fire started.
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But based on the size
of the blaze
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When the fire department
arrived,
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It's believed that the fire
was started
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Around 10:30 or 11:00 p.M.
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If so, then dwayne's alibi
and actions that night
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Certainly seem suspcious.
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Sakeena taylor.
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She's gonna be
our victim's niece.
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What else we know about
the relationship
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Between sakeena and debra?
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-It was strained, apparently.
-They had a falling out,
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-'cause she moved out.
-She moved out in February?
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-Mm-hmm.
-Sakeena gets into it
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With debra and I think
your police department
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Responds one time, too,
over money.
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And that was, you know,
earlier that year, I thought.
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And they're fighting outside
when the neighbors call.
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She feels like she
misappropriated her funds.
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Like her brother dwayne,
witnesses said that
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Sakeena believed that debra
was keeping money from her.
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Statistically, about 90%
of murders
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Are committed by men,
and debra's murder
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Was particularly violent.
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But I've worked
enough murder cases to realize
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That you can't
rule anything out.
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Could she have killed
her own aunt?
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Could she have helped?
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Could she have helped
to cover it up?
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The other suspect that I think
we need to address
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Is the main man she was
messing around with at the time.
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-All right.
-Dwayne ishaaq.
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His relationship to debra
is dating.
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Do we know for how long?
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Everybody said two years,
and I think that was
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To not let
his actual wife know
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How long he's been
dealing with her.
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Dwayne ishaaq
had been dating debra
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Behind his wife's back
for a couple of years.
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And even though debra's body
was badly burned,
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The first responders
were able to determine
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That debra was nude
at the time of her death,
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Which sounds a lot like
she and her killer
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May have been in
an intimate relationship.
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Did they have any abuse issues?
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-Volatile, jealousy, temper?
-No.
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It was like fringe benefits.
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He knew
about her relationships,
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And she knew he was married.
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And is dwayne still with
his wife today?
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Yes.
She was at home,
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Had some teeth extracted
that day.
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He was out getting
her medication.
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-He's on video...
-At the gas station.
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...At this gas station, yeah.
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Dwayne ishaaq seemed like
a likely suspect
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But he has
a pretty solid alibi.
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He and his wife say
that he was at home all night,
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Other than when he stopped
at a gas station briefly,
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Where he was caught on camera.
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But based on
debra's phone records,
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We know that he talked to her
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A little less than two hours
before her murder.
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Is it possible that
he could've pulled it off?
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And if so, why?
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All right, boys,
that's a pretty good board.
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♪♪♪
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♪ take the long road ♪
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♪ always see it through ♪
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♪ there's a purpose ♪
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♪ to be certain... ♪
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How long had taineisha been
married when this happened?
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I think she got married
the same year?
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A few months before.
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The first thing we want to do
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Is meet with
debra's daughter taineisha.
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It feels like it's pretty much
split up the family, too.
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Yeah, it has, yeah.
249
00:09:49,023 --> 00:09:50,822
For three kids
that grew up together,
250
00:09:50,892 --> 00:09:53,558
They have nothing to do
with each other now.
251
00:09:53,627 --> 00:09:56,629
-♪ money changes you ♪
-I can't imagine
252
00:09:56,830 --> 00:09:58,963
Growing up with my cousins
253
00:09:59,033 --> 00:10:02,700
And watching my mom
raise them
254
00:10:02,770 --> 00:10:04,103
And then considering
the possibility
255
00:10:04,304 --> 00:10:06,372
That they could be involved
and implicated
256
00:10:06,573 --> 00:10:07,905
In my mother's murder.
257
00:10:07,975 --> 00:10:09,707
So I know
it's been a long time.
258
00:10:09,776 --> 00:10:10,908
-Yes.
-But hopefully this time
259
00:10:10,977 --> 00:10:13,846
We can bring some closure
to you.
260
00:10:14,047 --> 00:10:15,981
What was your sister like
growing up?
261
00:10:17,117 --> 00:10:19,717
She loved to sing
around the house.
262
00:10:19,786 --> 00:10:21,653
She loved to dance.
263
00:10:21,722 --> 00:10:23,054
She loved to have fun.
264
00:10:23,123 --> 00:10:24,122
Oh, she was the life
of the party.
265
00:10:24,190 --> 00:10:25,190
-Yeah.
-Always, huh?
266
00:10:25,392 --> 00:10:26,325
-Always.
-Always.
267
00:10:27,394 --> 00:10:29,960
A lot of--of her raising me
was to, like,
268
00:10:29,963 --> 00:10:31,863
Always just encouraging
whatever.
269
00:10:31,931 --> 00:10:33,732
Anybody she would talk to
about me, she'd be like,
270
00:10:33,934 --> 00:10:35,166
"that's my daughter.
She's gonna be a doctor."
271
00:10:36,403 --> 00:10:38,536
Like, she had probably more
faith and confidence in me
272
00:10:38,605 --> 00:10:40,005
Than I had in myself.
She's like "oh, you can do it.
273
00:10:40,207 --> 00:10:42,541
You'll be fine."
but if I had wanted to be, uh,
274
00:10:42,743 --> 00:10:45,476
A garbage person, she would've
been just as excited.
275
00:10:45,545 --> 00:10:48,547
My mom was my best friend.
276
00:10:48,749 --> 00:10:52,685
Um, we hung out
277
00:10:52,886 --> 00:10:54,052
We talked--we talked every day.
278
00:10:55,221 --> 00:10:55,821
I talked to her the day--
the morning that she died.
279
00:10:56,623 --> 00:10:58,089
She was my biggest cheerleader.
280
00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:00,825
She was loving, caring,
281
00:11:00,894 --> 00:11:03,027
Happy, sweet.
282
00:11:03,097 --> 00:11:04,729
My life hasn't been the same.
283
00:11:11,304 --> 00:11:14,305
Let's go back a little bit.
So, at some point,
284
00:11:14,374 --> 00:11:16,307
Your cousins,
dwayne and sakeena...
285
00:11:16,377 --> 00:11:18,109
-Mm-hmm.
-...Their mom passed away.
286
00:11:18,179 --> 00:11:19,844
-Right.
-When they first moved in
287
00:11:19,913 --> 00:11:22,113
With you, was everybody
happy about that?
288
00:11:22,183 --> 00:11:25,516
Uh, I think there were
moments of tension,
289
00:11:25,585 --> 00:11:27,318
Because I still had my mom.
290
00:11:27,387 --> 00:11:30,254
Me and sakeena were like this
when we were young-young.
291
00:11:30,324 --> 00:11:32,424
'cause we were the same age,
our moms were close.
292
00:11:32,626 --> 00:11:34,525
Like, all of our moms
had us all together.
293
00:11:34,594 --> 00:11:35,993
After that, we just...
294
00:11:36,063 --> 00:11:37,996
Um, became distant.
295
00:11:38,064 --> 00:11:41,065
At that time, dwayne--
296
00:11:41,134 --> 00:11:43,335
-Oh, he was--had troubles.
-Yeah.
297
00:11:43,536 --> 00:11:46,839
Like, he was already
aggressive and angry.
298
00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,606
Like, he had several
runs of charges.
299
00:11:48,675 --> 00:11:51,276
So by the time I graduated,
he was intermittently
300
00:11:51,478 --> 00:11:53,077
In and out of the house.
Like, he would do something
301
00:11:53,147 --> 00:11:54,145
And she would kick him out.
302
00:11:54,214 --> 00:11:56,448
And during the time
y'all were growing up,
303
00:11:56,650 --> 00:11:59,083
They each get a check for--
the ssi
304
00:11:59,153 --> 00:12:00,352
-'cause their mom passes away.
-Right.
305
00:12:00,553 --> 00:12:04,223
And how much are you aware of
any kind of stress or tension
306
00:12:04,424 --> 00:12:07,625
That that caused in the minds
of sakeena and dwayne?
307
00:12:07,695 --> 00:12:08,893
I think it--there--
308
00:12:08,962 --> 00:12:11,362
I remember there being moments,
like, "this is my money."
309
00:12:11,431 --> 00:12:13,298
Sure. And who would be
the one that said
310
00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:15,366
"this is my money"?
Dwayne or sakeena or both?
311
00:12:15,435 --> 00:12:16,501
I feel like it was
both of them.
312
00:12:16,569 --> 00:12:17,735
Yeah.
313
00:12:17,804 --> 00:12:19,904
When this happened, right,
314
00:12:19,973 --> 00:12:22,306
I asked keena at that point,
I was like,
315
00:12:22,376 --> 00:12:24,643
"you think your brother
had something to do with it?"
316
00:12:24,845 --> 00:12:27,178
-She got very defensive.
-Okay.
317
00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:30,181
Thinking about how it happened,
why--like, why...
318
00:12:30,251 --> 00:12:33,718
It wasn't random.
The intention was to do harm.
319
00:12:33,787 --> 00:12:35,720
-Yeah.
-So most of us
320
00:12:35,789 --> 00:12:36,789
Think dwayne did it.
321
00:12:36,990 --> 00:12:39,390
-[sniffles]
-you can really feel
322
00:12:39,460 --> 00:12:42,527
The pain and the suffering
that to this day
323
00:12:42,595 --> 00:12:44,862
Still torments taineisha
and gloria.
324
00:12:44,932 --> 00:12:46,063
We're gonna try our hardest.
325
00:12:46,133 --> 00:12:49,801
We feel optimistic, but
we can't promise you anything.
326
00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:52,004
We're not trying to break
your heart for nothing, okay?
327
00:12:53,473 --> 00:12:55,941
We all hope that we
can bring justice
328
00:12:56,142 --> 00:12:58,209
And help ease their heartache
329
00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:01,413
Over what happened to debra
after all these years.
330
00:13:01,481 --> 00:13:04,516
♪♪♪
331
00:13:11,723 --> 00:13:14,993
♪♪♪
332
00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:17,361
Everybody still at
the ways' house.
333
00:13:17,363 --> 00:13:19,230
That's the house
right across the street.
334
00:13:19,299 --> 00:13:21,432
Hopefully they can
give us some information.
335
00:13:21,502 --> 00:13:23,902
Debra chisolm was brutally
murdered 14 years ago
336
00:13:24,104 --> 00:13:25,369
And her house set on fire.
337
00:13:25,438 --> 00:13:27,171
And while the house
no longer stands,
338
00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,307
We're fortunate to have the
neighbors
339
00:13:28,508 --> 00:13:29,841
Still living across
the street.
340
00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:31,576
-Ms. Francine way?
-Yes.
341
00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:33,177
We're hoping they can
still remember
342
00:13:33,246 --> 00:13:35,114
If they saw anything
out of the ordinary that night.
343
00:13:35,315 --> 00:13:37,181
We're looking into
the debra chisolm case.
344
00:13:37,251 --> 00:13:39,050
-You remember that night?
-Yeah.
345
00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,252
It happened
around 12:00 that night.
346
00:13:41,321 --> 00:13:43,654
-Mm-hmm.
-And a white lady
347
00:13:43,723 --> 00:13:44,756
Came through the neighborhood.
348
00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:45,857
She was knocking
on people's doors
349
00:13:46,927 --> 00:13:47,292
To let us know
there was a fire over there.
350
00:13:48,228 --> 00:13:50,395
That evening,
before that happened--
351
00:13:50,463 --> 00:13:52,196
-Let me back it up.
-Yes, ma'am.
352
00:13:52,265 --> 00:13:54,532
Me and my husband were sitting
on the porch right here.
353
00:13:54,602 --> 00:13:56,667
-Okay.
-And...
354
00:13:56,737 --> 00:13:59,403
I noticed the black truck,
355
00:13:59,472 --> 00:14:00,939
You know,
come down the street.
356
00:14:01,007 --> 00:14:02,240
It was parked in front
of the house.
357
00:14:03,476 --> 00:14:04,809
Okay. Mr. Way available
to talk to us for a minute?
358
00:14:04,878 --> 00:14:07,279
Well, let me get him.
359
00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,848
Mrs. Way places
a suspicious black truck
360
00:14:10,050 --> 00:14:11,816
At debra's house
on the night of the murder.
361
00:14:11,851 --> 00:14:14,285
That's not debra's vehicle,
and as far as we know
362
00:14:14,354 --> 00:14:16,488
It doesn't match
the suspects' vehicles, either.
363
00:14:16,689 --> 00:14:18,022
Maybe her husband
can help us identify
364
00:14:18,092 --> 00:14:19,223
The driver of the truck.
365
00:14:19,293 --> 00:14:21,493
Alls I really remember is, um,
366
00:14:21,694 --> 00:14:23,162
I thought it was strange--
it was a black truck
367
00:14:23,363 --> 00:14:25,096
Parked right by
the drainage thing there.
368
00:14:25,166 --> 00:14:26,564
-Yes, sir.
-It sounded like
369
00:14:26,633 --> 00:14:28,433
-A sprinkler system.
-Like a sprinkler system.
370
00:14:28,501 --> 00:14:30,869
-Yes. [imitates sprinkler]
-okay. Okay. Okay.
371
00:14:31,071 --> 00:14:32,203
Right.
372
00:14:34,841 --> 00:14:36,307
Yes. Okay.
373
00:14:36,376 --> 00:14:38,443
Mr. Way didn't see the driver
of the black truck.
374
00:14:38,511 --> 00:14:41,512
However, the engine made
a strange, sprinkler-type noise,
375
00:14:41,582 --> 00:14:42,981
And that is a solid lead.
376
00:14:44,517 --> 00:14:46,585
Okay. [laughs] yeah, right.
Yes, sir.
377
00:14:48,721 --> 00:14:54,158
♪♪♪
378
00:14:54,227 --> 00:14:56,394
-Good morning.
-Hi, guys.
379
00:14:56,596 --> 00:14:57,528
Y'all brought some visitors,
huh?
380
00:14:57,597 --> 00:14:59,597
This is captain brown
from the fire department.
381
00:14:59,666 --> 00:15:00,999
-Captain brown.
-Nice to meet you.
382
00:15:01,067 --> 00:15:02,834
I'm kent dill
with the coroner's office.
383
00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:04,435
-What's the setup out here?
-Right, we got a model up
384
00:15:04,504 --> 00:15:06,671
For the residence,
since it's all destroyed.
385
00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:09,273
So we're gonna go in
and see if we can reenact
386
00:15:09,343 --> 00:15:12,810
That night
of December 12, 2007.
387
00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:14,612
Y'all remember it pretty well?
388
00:15:14,682 --> 00:15:15,747
We remember it.
389
00:15:15,949 --> 00:15:18,049
All right, well, come tell us
everything you remember.
390
00:15:18,118 --> 00:15:19,585
Let's talk it over.
391
00:15:19,786 --> 00:15:22,153
With debra's house
completely destroyed,
392
00:15:22,221 --> 00:15:23,421
The mauldin police department
393
00:15:23,490 --> 00:15:25,790
Has built us up a model today
394
00:15:25,860 --> 00:15:29,293
To help us better visualize
and try to examine
395
00:15:29,363 --> 00:15:31,295
The actions of debra's killer.
396
00:15:31,365 --> 00:15:33,765
So this would probably be
the back of the residence.
397
00:15:33,967 --> 00:15:35,166
And where's the bedroom?
398
00:15:35,234 --> 00:15:36,701
The bedroom's gonna be
on this side.
399
00:15:36,769 --> 00:15:38,969
Debra's home had two doors.
400
00:15:39,038 --> 00:15:40,439
The front door was locked.
401
00:15:41,741 --> 00:15:42,406
The back door was broken and
it was secured with a bookcase
402
00:15:42,475 --> 00:15:45,309
To keep people from coming in.
403
00:15:45,379 --> 00:15:46,477
So the first thing we have to
figure out in this case
404
00:15:47,580 --> 00:15:49,047
Is how did our killer
get inside debra's house?
405
00:15:49,115 --> 00:15:52,450
So I'm parked here,
and as I exit,
406
00:15:52,518 --> 00:15:55,519
I'm walking around
the back side of the house.
407
00:15:55,588 --> 00:15:58,189
So I come first to
the screened-in porch door
408
00:15:58,257 --> 00:16:00,191
Which I enter from there.
409
00:16:00,259 --> 00:16:03,127
And as I get in,
maybe or maybe not,
410
00:16:03,196 --> 00:16:04,462
I check this back door.
411
00:16:04,464 --> 00:16:06,063
So this is
our barricaded back door.
412
00:16:06,132 --> 00:16:08,666
Right. If this is the door,
413
00:16:08,736 --> 00:16:11,402
This bookshelf
went across the door.
414
00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:13,138
You're first officer
on the scene.
415
00:16:13,339 --> 00:16:15,339
If he had to
push open the door,
416
00:16:15,408 --> 00:16:17,341
Then that tells y'all what
as to how
417
00:16:17,411 --> 00:16:19,411
Our suspect got inside
the house?
418
00:16:19,612 --> 00:16:22,080
The window. That's the only way
he could've gotten in,
419
00:16:22,282 --> 00:16:23,347
'cause he didn't go through
the front door.
420
00:16:23,416 --> 00:16:25,416
-And there's no other door?
-There's no other door?
421
00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:27,017
-And the garage door was down?
-Right.
422
00:16:27,086 --> 00:16:29,154
-So it's gotta be this window.
-Gotta be that window.
423
00:16:29,355 --> 00:16:31,355
Debra's body was nude
when she was discovered,
424
00:16:31,424 --> 00:16:33,357
And we figure that was because
of one of two reasons--
425
00:16:33,427 --> 00:16:35,994
She was either with her
boyfriend shortly before this,
426
00:16:36,196 --> 00:16:38,497
Or she was in the shower and
was ambushed when she got out,
427
00:16:38,698 --> 00:16:41,031
Which may help explain why
she didn't hear the killer
428
00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:42,367
Getting into the house
that night.
429
00:16:42,569 --> 00:16:45,903
All right, so, go back,
enter the house,
430
00:16:45,972 --> 00:16:48,939
I'm gonna be debra
getting out of the shower.
431
00:16:48,941 --> 00:16:50,574
So if you're in the kitchen,
now you've gotten
432
00:16:50,643 --> 00:16:51,843
Into the house
through the window.
433
00:16:52,979 --> 00:16:54,578
I might even hear the shower
running, I don't know.
434
00:16:54,648 --> 00:16:57,882
But I'm walking this way
toward the bedroom,
435
00:16:57,952 --> 00:17:00,184
And here's the bedroom door.
436
00:17:00,253 --> 00:17:01,519
She's gonna come out of
we think the shower
437
00:17:02,722 --> 00:17:03,921
'cause she's got no clothes on,
and her family says
438
00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:05,589
She did not sleep nude.
439
00:17:05,658 --> 00:17:08,259
She's walking maybe to get
her clothes to get dressed,
440
00:17:08,327 --> 00:17:10,294
'cause she's found where,
chief?
441
00:17:10,363 --> 00:17:11,463
-Her body.
-She's found basically
442
00:17:11,664 --> 00:17:12,930
In this area.
443
00:17:12,999 --> 00:17:14,999
The head is near the door.
444
00:17:15,067 --> 00:17:16,334
She is on her back,
445
00:17:16,402 --> 00:17:18,269
And then she has
the stab wounds.
446
00:17:18,337 --> 00:17:19,203
-How many were there?
-Seven.
447
00:17:19,273 --> 00:17:22,740
Okay, so, if I'm coming out
of my shower,
448
00:17:22,809 --> 00:17:25,543
And I'm trying to get
my clothes on or whatever,
449
00:17:25,612 --> 00:17:26,978
And you come through the door,
what you gonna do?
450
00:17:28,214 --> 00:17:30,281
One of the ways that I might
be able to control you best
451
00:17:30,349 --> 00:17:33,417
Is to get around you,
and then that...
452
00:17:33,487 --> 00:17:36,021
-Would give you an opportunity.
-One through four.
453
00:17:36,957 --> 00:17:41,325
And then you've got one
on this side up high...
454
00:17:41,327 --> 00:17:43,729
And then you've got one
down here.
455
00:17:44,597 --> 00:17:46,764
If I'm struggling you might not
be able to aim as well.
456
00:17:46,833 --> 00:17:48,766
And then that way you would
fall this way,
457
00:17:48,836 --> 00:17:50,101
With your head closer
to the door.
458
00:17:50,169 --> 00:17:52,303
-Sure.
-Okay.
459
00:17:52,371 --> 00:17:54,271
So he gets back in here
with the gas.
460
00:17:54,340 --> 00:17:58,043
How much does it take
to set that fire? A lot?
461
00:17:58,244 --> 00:17:59,643
-Five gallons?
-Several.
462
00:17:59,712 --> 00:18:01,712
It just didn't happen
just in that bedroom.
463
00:18:01,782 --> 00:18:03,914
So they splashed gas
more than just
464
00:18:03,983 --> 00:18:05,250
-On her part of the bedroom?
-I would say.
465
00:18:05,451 --> 00:18:06,684
-I would say so.
-I didn't know that.
466
00:18:07,987 --> 00:18:09,254
So with debra's killer actually
sneaking into the house
467
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:11,890
And then using gasoline
to cover up the crime,
468
00:18:13,259 --> 00:18:14,892
It's clear this just wasn't
some type of a heated argument.
469
00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:17,929
This was a cold and calculated
premeditated murder.
470
00:18:18,131 --> 00:18:20,398
And gas can goes with him.
He doesn't leave it behind.
471
00:18:20,466 --> 00:18:22,266
-No, no.
-No knife is left behind.
472
00:18:22,335 --> 00:18:24,935
All that goes with the killer.
473
00:18:25,005 --> 00:18:26,804
And we also know that
he's in a hurry to leave.
474
00:18:26,874 --> 00:18:27,939
He's definitely
in a hurry to leave.
475
00:18:28,141 --> 00:18:29,406
So he's not--he's not dawdling.
476
00:18:29,408 --> 00:18:31,008
Damaged tree is where?
477
00:18:31,077 --> 00:18:33,477
Kinda like right here.
478
00:18:33,547 --> 00:18:36,414
Had damage consistent
with something hitting it,
479
00:18:36,482 --> 00:18:38,617
Backing out,
leaving in a hurry.
480
00:18:38,818 --> 00:18:41,153
Killers typically
flee crime scenes quickly,
481
00:18:41,354 --> 00:18:43,087
Especially if they just
set it on fire.
482
00:18:43,157 --> 00:18:45,556
As it turns out,
outside debra's home,
483
00:18:45,591 --> 00:18:47,625
Investigators found scrape marks
on the side of a tree
484
00:18:47,827 --> 00:18:50,161
Suggesting that the killer
scraped their vehicle
485
00:18:50,229 --> 00:18:51,162
During the escape.
486
00:18:51,364 --> 00:18:53,097
Wow, that was so helpful.
Thank you all.
487
00:18:53,165 --> 00:18:54,665
Thank you all.
488
00:18:54,735 --> 00:18:56,901
It sounds more and more like the
key piece of evidence
489
00:18:56,969 --> 00:18:59,637
In this case is a black truck
with damage to its side
490
00:18:59,706 --> 00:19:01,973
That has an engine that sounds
like a sprinkler system.
491
00:19:02,175 --> 00:19:04,308
And the question is,
who was driving that truck
492
00:19:04,378 --> 00:19:05,643
The night debra was killed?
493
00:19:13,719 --> 00:19:18,123
♪♪♪
494
00:19:18,724 --> 00:19:19,657
Okay, yolanda golden.
495
00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:21,926
She's a friend.
She ought to be excited.
496
00:19:21,994 --> 00:19:23,727
-Yeah.
-We've still got
497
00:19:23,796 --> 00:19:26,698
Three suspects in the murder
of debra chisolm--
498
00:19:26,899 --> 00:19:29,733
Her niece and nephew
who she helped raise,
499
00:19:29,802 --> 00:19:30,968
And her boyfriend.
500
00:19:32,172 --> 00:19:33,137
None of them owned the
black truck that we believe
501
00:19:33,207 --> 00:19:35,673
Her killer might have been
driving that night.
502
00:19:35,741 --> 00:19:38,342
So it's time for us to start
talking to witnesses
503
00:19:38,411 --> 00:19:41,211
To try and narrow down
any potential motives.
504
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,314
What kind of person
was debra?
505
00:19:44,617 --> 00:19:48,219
Outgoing, fun, funny.
506
00:19:48,288 --> 00:19:51,089
Is there anybody that she had
any problems with in her life?
507
00:19:51,291 --> 00:19:53,490
-Like...
-The only person
508
00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:56,827
That it keeps resonating
with me is her nephew.
509
00:19:56,896 --> 00:19:59,697
Dwayne? He was living there
with her.
510
00:19:59,765 --> 00:20:02,166
-Okay.
-Um, he was not respecting
511
00:20:02,235 --> 00:20:03,701
Any rules of her household,
512
00:20:03,769 --> 00:20:05,903
Coming in at, you know,
different times of night.
513
00:20:05,972 --> 00:20:08,773
Had people in her house.
He was using drugs,
514
00:20:08,841 --> 00:20:11,976
And she had to kick him out,
but she had told me that
515
00:20:12,044 --> 00:20:14,111
He had broken into the house
a few times.
516
00:20:14,180 --> 00:20:16,113
-He had broken into the house?
-Yeah, she said
517
00:20:16,182 --> 00:20:17,381
When she got into the house,
518
00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:19,316
She could see him
running across the field.
519
00:20:19,386 --> 00:20:20,751
At the back of the house,
right?
520
00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:21,619
-In the back of the house.
-Okay.
521
00:20:22,455 --> 00:20:23,054
According
to her friend yolanda,
522
00:20:24,257 --> 00:20:26,791
Debra had recurring issues
with her nephew dwayne,
523
00:20:26,859 --> 00:20:28,860
And had recently
kicked him out.
524
00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:31,329
More importantly,
she caught him breaking back in
525
00:20:31,397 --> 00:20:32,663
A couple of times.
526
00:20:32,732 --> 00:20:34,598
-Thank you so much.
-Thank you so much.
527
00:20:34,667 --> 00:20:36,066
-I appreciate y'all.
-Thank you. We appreciate it.
528
00:20:36,135 --> 00:20:38,669
It makes you wonder
if dwayne was the one
529
00:20:38,738 --> 00:20:40,805
Who broke debra's back door
530
00:20:40,807 --> 00:20:43,108
And forced her to have to
barricade that back door
531
00:20:43,309 --> 00:20:44,075
With the bookcase.
532
00:20:44,277 --> 00:20:46,577
Or if maybe he was entering
through the window
533
00:20:46,647 --> 00:20:49,147
Like we think her killer did.
534
00:20:49,349 --> 00:20:50,948
Nice.
535
00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:59,389
♪♪♪
536
00:20:59,426 --> 00:21:00,691
This is mr. Sullivan, right?
537
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,561
Yes, darryl sullivan,
ex-boyfriend.
538
00:21:04,631 --> 00:21:07,231
Debra dated a man
named darryl sullivan
539
00:21:07,301 --> 00:21:10,368
In the early 2000s,
and they remained friends
540
00:21:10,570 --> 00:21:11,835
Up until the time
of her murder.
541
00:21:11,904 --> 00:21:13,804
Mr. Sullivan?
How you doing, sir?
542
00:21:13,874 --> 00:21:15,440
Do you mind
if we step outside?
543
00:21:15,474 --> 00:21:16,941
-No.
-You wanna talk out here?
544
00:21:17,009 --> 00:21:19,543
He may be able to tell us
more about
545
00:21:19,578 --> 00:21:22,146
Her relationship
with dwayne and sakeena.
546
00:21:22,216 --> 00:21:24,181
You know why we're here, huh?
547
00:21:24,249 --> 00:21:25,416
-Yes.
-Yeah.
548
00:21:26,452 --> 00:21:27,451
-Yeah.
-And we're hoping
549
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,787
That she did some confiding
550
00:21:30,056 --> 00:21:31,189
In her friends and girlfriends
about her personal life
551
00:21:31,391 --> 00:21:33,123
And her situation at home.
552
00:21:33,193 --> 00:21:35,025
Did she ever talk about
any of that with you?
553
00:21:37,797 --> 00:21:39,463
-Yes.
-Okay, what did she--
554
00:21:39,532 --> 00:21:40,898
What did she tell you
about them?
555
00:21:44,203 --> 00:21:45,604
Okay.
556
00:21:48,474 --> 00:21:49,774
...Or drugs.
557
00:21:52,545 --> 00:21:54,813
She put him out a few times?
Over arguments?
558
00:21:55,014 --> 00:21:58,449
Was sakeena a problem
for her like dwayne was?
559
00:21:58,484 --> 00:22:01,753
Okay.
560
00:22:01,954 --> 00:22:03,821
If we're trying to figure out
whether or not sakeena
561
00:22:03,889 --> 00:22:06,156
Could be involved
in this murder,
562
00:22:06,226 --> 00:22:08,359
Is there anything you know of
or think about
563
00:22:08,428 --> 00:22:10,295
That tells you one way
or the other?
564
00:22:18,104 --> 00:22:19,771
So she was upset?
565
00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:23,808
Okay.
566
00:22:25,445 --> 00:22:26,911
Darryl seemed pretty confident
567
00:22:26,979 --> 00:22:29,646
That debra had bigger problems
with dwayne
568
00:22:29,715 --> 00:22:33,652
Than she did with sakeena
and that sakeena may know more
569
00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:36,720
Than she's ever told
the police before.
570
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:38,655
Did she ever tell you
571
00:22:38,724 --> 00:22:41,993
About needing
to barricade her back door?
572
00:22:43,463 --> 00:22:45,596
-You could get in it.
-How come?
573
00:22:50,937 --> 00:22:53,672
Did she ever mention if she
was afraid of dwayne?
574
00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:03,947
And when you say,
"shortly before that,"
575
00:23:04,016 --> 00:23:05,150
You mean weeks?
-Shortly before that...
576
00:23:05,351 --> 00:23:07,285
Couple days?
577
00:23:07,487 --> 00:23:08,686
Okay.
578
00:23:12,158 --> 00:23:15,759
You think she probably told this
to you when? Within that week?
579
00:23:15,829 --> 00:23:17,227
Now was that the last time
you talked to her
580
00:23:17,297 --> 00:23:18,829
Prior to her death?
-Wow.
581
00:23:18,899 --> 00:23:20,498
Not only was dwayne the reason
582
00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:23,901
Why debra was barricading
her back door,
583
00:23:23,903 --> 00:23:25,469
He threatened her
days before the murder,
584
00:23:25,537 --> 00:23:28,238
And he had plans
to come by her house.
585
00:23:28,307 --> 00:23:29,773
You told us
some wonderful new stuff today.
586
00:23:29,843 --> 00:23:30,909
-Right.
-That's a lot.
587
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:31,909
Thank you so much.
588
00:23:31,977 --> 00:23:35,079
Darryl sullivan
was a great witness.
589
00:23:35,147 --> 00:23:36,981
Every single thing
that came out of his mouth
590
00:23:37,049 --> 00:23:40,584
Was a beautiful piece
of circumstantial evidence.
591
00:23:40,654 --> 00:23:41,585
-Oh, man.
-Whoo-hoo!
592
00:23:41,654 --> 00:23:42,454
Wonderful.
593
00:23:42,655 --> 00:23:44,122
I thought he was gonna be
a waste of time.
594
00:23:44,323 --> 00:23:45,255
No! Yep.
595
00:23:45,325 --> 00:23:48,859
I didn't think
he was gonna know all that.
596
00:23:48,994 --> 00:23:51,061
♪♪♪
597
00:23:51,130 --> 00:23:53,997
-So we going to mr. Boyd next?
-Let's go to mr. Boyd next.
598
00:23:54,066 --> 00:23:56,468
-Nobody's ever talked to him?
-Mnh-mnh.
599
00:23:56,669 --> 00:23:57,835
She might have vented to him
a little bit.
600
00:23:59,005 --> 00:24:00,405
We're headed to speak
to another of debra's exes--
601
00:24:00,606 --> 00:24:02,941
A man named patrick boyd.
602
00:24:03,142 --> 00:24:04,342
Well, we heard you knew her
from the church.
603
00:24:04,543 --> 00:24:05,943
Yeah.
604
00:24:06,012 --> 00:24:09,413
We were together, I guess,
about four or five years.
605
00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:11,015
-Okay.
-I know the kids very well.
606
00:24:11,083 --> 00:24:12,149
-Okay.
-She ever talk to you
607
00:24:12,218 --> 00:24:14,685
About any problems she had
with her niece and nephew?
608
00:24:14,753 --> 00:24:16,620
I know dwayne would give her
a little,
609
00:24:16,690 --> 00:24:19,489
You know, when he was--
he was growing up.
610
00:24:19,558 --> 00:24:20,791
Did she ever tell you about
any times when she felt like
611
00:24:20,793 --> 00:24:23,427
She was afraid that he was going
to do something to her?
612
00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:26,864
She never said it,
but I kinda felt it
613
00:24:26,932 --> 00:24:29,500
'cause he was starting
to get into the drug scene.
614
00:24:29,569 --> 00:24:31,301
-Okay.
-If dwayne was involved,
615
00:24:31,371 --> 00:24:32,903
What would be his reason
for wanting to hurt debra?
616
00:24:32,972 --> 00:24:36,574
Money. It was always
about money with him.
617
00:24:36,776 --> 00:24:38,443
But they was always
taken care of.
618
00:24:38,644 --> 00:24:41,511
The kids came first
before she did.
619
00:24:41,580 --> 00:24:44,181
Did she ever say that she had
any kind of issues like that
620
00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:47,184
With her niece, sakeena?
621
00:24:47,253 --> 00:24:48,152
Not to me.
622
00:24:49,189 --> 00:24:50,787
Again, we're hearing
about dwayne's anger
623
00:24:50,857 --> 00:24:53,658
Over the money that he thought
debra owed him.
624
00:24:53,859 --> 00:24:57,495
Between this boyfriend's account
about the money
625
00:24:57,696 --> 00:24:59,329
And the last boyfriend,
it feels like
626
00:24:59,398 --> 00:25:02,734
Dwayne's potential motive
over all this money
627
00:25:02,935 --> 00:25:04,335
Had been building for years.
628
00:25:04,537 --> 00:25:06,336
I try to make things happen
every once in a while.
629
00:25:06,405 --> 00:25:08,907
-I like him, too!
-Yeah.
630
00:25:15,213 --> 00:25:16,981
♪♪♪
631
00:25:18,017 --> 00:25:19,616
So we're on our way to see
dwayne ishaaq,
632
00:25:19,686 --> 00:25:22,019
Ex-boyfriend of debra.
633
00:25:22,087 --> 00:25:23,687
He had actually called her
the night that she was murdered,
634
00:25:23,889 --> 00:25:25,123
Talked to her for a little bit.
-Right.
635
00:25:25,324 --> 00:25:27,424
And he's got a pretty solid
alibi, looks like.
636
00:25:27,493 --> 00:25:28,559
Yeah.
637
00:25:28,627 --> 00:25:29,593
Debra chisholm and dwayne ishaaq
638
00:25:29,795 --> 00:25:31,862
Were actually dating
at the time of her murder.
639
00:25:31,930 --> 00:25:34,499
They talked on the phone
the night she was killed.
640
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:36,033
Dwayne has always had
a strong alibi
641
00:25:36,101 --> 00:25:38,835
Corroborated by his wife
and security cameras.
642
00:25:38,905 --> 00:25:40,872
However, we still need to talk
to him to determine
643
00:25:41,074 --> 00:25:43,440
His movements throughout the day
and night debra that was killed.
644
00:25:43,509 --> 00:25:44,908
[knock on door]
645
00:25:44,977 --> 00:25:46,244
-[dog barking in distance]
-uh-oh.
646
00:25:46,445 --> 00:25:49,713
[continues knocking]
647
00:25:49,782 --> 00:25:50,681
With a vehicle parked
in the driveway
648
00:25:50,749 --> 00:25:52,750
And noises coming
from within the house,
649
00:25:52,951 --> 00:25:54,718
We think that our suspect dwayne
might be in the house,
650
00:25:54,788 --> 00:25:56,521
However no one appears
interested
651
00:25:56,722 --> 00:25:58,122
In talking to us at this time.
652
00:25:58,324 --> 00:25:59,790
I heard the dogs in there
at one time.
653
00:25:59,858 --> 00:26:01,792
-Yeah, yeah.
-And then I--you know,
654
00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:02,993
I thought I heard
somebody moving.
655
00:26:03,063 --> 00:26:04,862
We'll just
have to try again later.
656
00:26:08,067 --> 00:26:11,870
♪♪♪
657
00:26:12,071 --> 00:26:13,804
Sergeant, so we brought
eric devlin with us.
658
00:26:13,874 --> 00:26:15,605
He used to be a prosecutor,
659
00:26:15,674 --> 00:26:17,876
And now he's
our forensics expert,
660
00:26:18,077 --> 00:26:19,043
And he loves doing
all this kind of stuff.
661
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:20,912
You're gonna like him
'cause he's a geek.
662
00:26:21,814 --> 00:26:22,747
-[laughs]
-okay, let's--let me get him
663
00:26:23,615 --> 00:26:24,682
And find out
what he can tell us.
664
00:26:25,717 --> 00:26:26,551
We know that one
of debra's last phone calls
665
00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:29,087
Was with her boyfriend,
dwayne ishaaq,
666
00:26:30,489 --> 00:26:33,624
And we know that she was killed
sometime between 10:30 and 11.
667
00:26:33,826 --> 00:26:34,559
-Morning or afternoon.
-This is eric.
668
00:26:35,394 --> 00:26:36,060
-How are y'all?
-All right, sir.
669
00:26:36,996 --> 00:26:39,097
Hopefully,
our digital forensics expert
670
00:26:39,298 --> 00:26:40,097
Can give us some insight
671
00:26:41,033 --> 00:26:41,732
Into what the other suspects
were doing
672
00:26:42,901 --> 00:26:44,569
Based on their cellphone records
and maybe even tell us
673
00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:47,037
Where they were at that time.
674
00:26:47,107 --> 00:26:49,274
First number I looked at
belonged to sakeena taylor.
675
00:26:49,475 --> 00:26:53,143
So I don't have location data.
It's a toll record.
676
00:26:53,212 --> 00:26:55,045
These are the records during
that particular time period.
677
00:26:55,114 --> 00:26:57,447
2200 hours up to 1100 hours.
678
00:26:57,516 --> 00:26:59,117
I believe the murder time
679
00:26:59,318 --> 00:27:00,851
Is somewhere right around here,
so...
680
00:27:00,919 --> 00:27:02,519
So the last activity
on sakeena's phone
681
00:27:02,588 --> 00:27:06,523
On the day of our murder
is at 5:35 p.M. Eastern time?
682
00:27:06,592 --> 00:27:07,991
Correct.
683
00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:09,560
She didn't call anybody else
that whole night?
684
00:27:09,628 --> 00:27:11,729
There's nothing, no calls
until 9:49 the next morning.
685
00:27:11,797 --> 00:27:13,163
Damn.
686
00:27:13,233 --> 00:27:15,465
Dwayne's not calling her,
and she's not calling him?
687
00:27:15,534 --> 00:27:18,135
I went looking for
cellphone calls between them.
688
00:27:18,204 --> 00:27:21,071
The only one I could find
is around December 1st.
689
00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:22,005
-Wow.
-They're not calling
690
00:27:22,075 --> 00:27:23,540
Each other's cellphones.
-On a regular basis.
691
00:27:23,609 --> 00:27:24,808
Okay.
692
00:27:24,878 --> 00:27:26,611
Sakeena did not use
her cellphone
693
00:27:26,812 --> 00:27:28,078
Around the time of the murder,
694
00:27:29,349 --> 00:27:32,316
And she had not even spoken
to her brother in over a week.
695
00:27:32,352 --> 00:27:35,285
It doesn't mean that she didn't
play a role in debra's murder,
696
00:27:35,354 --> 00:27:38,689
But her cellphone records
themselves
697
00:27:38,758 --> 00:27:41,024
Are not at all incriminating.
698
00:27:41,093 --> 00:27:43,294
-Okay, what you got next?
-Moving on to dwayne taylor.
699
00:27:43,495 --> 00:27:46,430
These are some actual
call detail records,
700
00:27:46,498 --> 00:27:48,232
So I can give you
some location data on these.
701
00:27:48,434 --> 00:27:51,101
So you gave me one particular
important location,
702
00:27:51,171 --> 00:27:53,170
Which my understanding
is where the homicide occurred.
703
00:27:53,238 --> 00:27:54,138
Yes.
704
00:27:55,107 --> 00:27:55,606
Give me the times
that he's on his phone
705
00:27:56,375 --> 00:27:57,074
Closest to our murder window,
706
00:27:58,043 --> 00:27:58,475
Which is around 10:30,
11:00 at night.
707
00:27:59,779 --> 00:28:03,146
Uh...8:24 p.M., he is hitting
off this particular tower,
708
00:28:03,215 --> 00:28:05,148
Which could put him anywhere
in this particular area.
709
00:28:05,218 --> 00:28:06,584
That catches the murder house.
710
00:28:06,785 --> 00:28:07,751
Does not catch
the murder house.
711
00:28:07,819 --> 00:28:08,987
Okay.
712
00:28:09,188 --> 00:28:09,953
At 11:16 p.M., he is hitting off
713
00:28:10,156 --> 00:28:11,054
The same cell tower
714
00:28:11,124 --> 00:28:13,056
He's hitting off of at 8:24,
715
00:28:13,126 --> 00:28:15,159
But during this entire break
716
00:28:15,361 --> 00:28:18,262
Between 8:24 and 11:16,
there is no communication.
717
00:28:18,464 --> 00:28:20,530
There is no tracking
where he is.
718
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,533
He could be anywhere.
He could be committing murder.
719
00:28:23,602 --> 00:28:25,369
He could be sitting at home
doing nothing.
720
00:28:25,437 --> 00:28:26,470
Okay.
721
00:28:26,505 --> 00:28:27,505
Dwayne's cellphone records
722
00:28:28,674 --> 00:28:30,874
Are a bit more telling than
sakeena's, but not much.
723
00:28:30,943 --> 00:28:33,710
Like his sister, there's
a black hole of non-usage
724
00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:36,814
During the murder window
725
00:28:37,016 --> 00:28:40,016
With no calls or activity
to show us where he was.
726
00:28:40,085 --> 00:28:43,086
So from 8:30 at night
until 11:15 at night,
727
00:28:43,155 --> 00:28:46,824
About three hours,
we got a window there, right?
728
00:28:47,026 --> 00:28:47,824
-Correct.
-And the rest of the day,
729
00:28:47,894 --> 00:28:50,293
He's on his phone all day long.
-Correct.
730
00:28:50,362 --> 00:28:52,462
-There's not another 3-hour gap.
-No.
731
00:28:52,531 --> 00:28:54,699
So what's he doing
for three solid hours
732
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:56,500
When the whole rest of the day,
733
00:28:56,503 --> 00:28:58,702
He hasn't left that phone alone
for three hours?
734
00:28:58,771 --> 00:29:00,504
-Yeah.
-Right, exactly.
735
00:29:00,572 --> 00:29:03,541
Siegler: Then again, maybe
dwayne's cellphone inactivity
736
00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:05,142
Is evidence.
737
00:29:05,344 --> 00:29:07,344
He made around 20 calls
that day,
738
00:29:07,412 --> 00:29:09,881
And around the time
of the murder
739
00:29:10,082 --> 00:29:12,984
Is his only 3-hour gap
of inactivity.
740
00:29:13,185 --> 00:29:15,386
-All right, man, thank you.
-You bet.
741
00:29:17,823 --> 00:29:19,990
♪♪♪
742
00:29:20,058 --> 00:29:22,625
So hopefully sakeena
will talk to us.
743
00:29:22,661 --> 00:29:23,794
Yeah.
744
00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:25,795
It's time now that we talk
to our suspect, sakeena taylor.
745
00:29:25,864 --> 00:29:28,932
Although her problems don't seem
to be as severe with debra
746
00:29:29,001 --> 00:29:30,801
Or as volatile as
her brother dwayne's,
747
00:29:30,869 --> 00:29:32,036
We know that they fought
over money,
748
00:29:33,105 --> 00:29:33,537
And that she was allegedly
acting very strange
749
00:29:34,139 --> 00:29:35,406
At debra's funeral.
750
00:29:35,607 --> 00:29:39,409
[knocking on door]
751
00:29:39,478 --> 00:29:40,911
If she isn't involved,
this is a good chance
752
00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:42,546
For her to set the record
straight.
753
00:29:42,681 --> 00:29:43,947
♪♪♪
754
00:29:44,150 --> 00:29:47,885
Hi. Is sakeena taylor here?
755
00:29:47,953 --> 00:29:50,387
Could I speak with her, please?
756
00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:52,090
You sakeena? Hey, sakeena.
I'm robert thacker.
757
00:29:52,291 --> 00:29:53,923
I'm with the city of mauldin
police department.
758
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,361
You got a minute to talk to us
for a minute?
759
00:29:57,429 --> 00:29:59,729
You--you working?
760
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:05,570
Oh. Um, will you have time
to talk to us today sometime?
761
00:30:05,771 --> 00:30:09,940
Um, we're investigating,
um, your aunt's case.
762
00:30:13,512 --> 00:30:14,711
Oh, yeah.
763
00:30:14,780 --> 00:30:17,714
Yeah. It is. I understand.
764
00:30:17,783 --> 00:30:19,950
Well, you know...
765
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,221
You don't got a few minutes now,
have you? No?
766
00:30:26,592 --> 00:30:30,060
I mean, I can--we can reach you
after 7. That's no problem.
767
00:30:30,128 --> 00:30:31,795
Okay. Okay.
768
00:30:31,864 --> 00:30:33,063
-Thanks a lot.
-Thank you.
769
00:30:33,131 --> 00:30:35,066
All right, yes.
770
00:30:35,267 --> 00:30:37,934
Sakeena is a tough read.
771
00:30:38,004 --> 00:30:39,736
She came to the door
and appeared to be polite.
772
00:30:39,805 --> 00:30:42,006
However, she definitely gave us
the brush-off.
773
00:30:42,207 --> 00:30:43,341
We don't have an arrest warrant.
774
00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:45,276
So she doesn't have
to talk to us,
775
00:30:45,477 --> 00:30:48,078
But you have to ask yourself,
why, if this was your aunt,
776
00:30:48,146 --> 00:30:49,145
Who you loved and raised you,
777
00:30:49,215 --> 00:30:50,681
Wouldn't you help
law enforcement
778
00:30:50,883 --> 00:30:51,949
Find the person who did this?
779
00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:53,550
I think she may know,
780
00:30:53,619 --> 00:30:56,353
And she may be afraid
of the truth itself.
781
00:30:56,421 --> 00:30:59,757
Very guarded.
Got those women's instincts up
782
00:30:59,959 --> 00:31:01,558
That she knows we ain't there
783
00:31:01,627 --> 00:31:04,695
For a quick cup of coffee
or something.
784
00:31:04,897 --> 00:31:06,164
-She didn't seem negative.
-No.
785
00:31:06,365 --> 00:31:07,831
-I think she might call.
-Yeah, she--
786
00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:10,301
For some reason,
I think she might call.
787
00:31:10,436 --> 00:31:12,503
♪♪♪
788
00:31:19,344 --> 00:31:20,744
♪♪♪
789
00:31:21,947 --> 00:31:24,514
Well, hopefully sakeena
will open the door for us.
790
00:31:24,583 --> 00:31:27,584
We'll see. She's not exactly
a picture of cooperation.
791
00:31:27,654 --> 00:31:29,052
Yeah.
792
00:31:29,121 --> 00:31:30,120
We hoped our suspect,
sakeena taylor,
793
00:31:30,188 --> 00:31:31,789
Would get back to us
after our visit yesterday,
794
00:31:31,991 --> 00:31:33,224
But she hasn't.
795
00:31:33,425 --> 00:31:35,091
So we're gonna drop by again
today
796
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,194
And see if we can get her
to talk to us this time.
797
00:31:37,262 --> 00:31:41,064
All right, let's go talk
to ms. Sakeena.
798
00:31:41,134 --> 00:31:43,467
She told us she works
from 10 to 7,
799
00:31:43,535 --> 00:31:46,304
So we're here
bright and early today.
800
00:31:46,505 --> 00:31:50,608
Ms. Taylor, police department.
801
00:31:50,809 --> 00:31:52,409
[continues knocking]
802
00:31:52,477 --> 00:31:55,279
Ms. Taylor, police department.
803
00:31:55,481 --> 00:31:58,616
I don't hear any movement
this time. We did yesterday.
804
00:31:58,817 --> 00:32:00,150
[continues knocking]
805
00:32:00,220 --> 00:32:01,953
Ms. Taylor, police department.
806
00:32:02,154 --> 00:32:05,889
She ain't answering the door
for us today.
807
00:32:05,957 --> 00:32:07,490
Yeah, darn it, we tried.
808
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,493
Got a number for her.
We can call her.
809
00:32:09,561 --> 00:32:11,561
[line rings]
810
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:12,763
Hello?
811
00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:15,765
This ms. Taylor?
812
00:32:15,834 --> 00:32:18,502
Hey, I came--I was looking
for you to call me yesterday,
813
00:32:18,704 --> 00:32:20,771
And I came back out
in the morning to talk to you.
814
00:32:20,973 --> 00:32:22,973
I'm sorry...
815
00:32:29,715 --> 00:32:31,248
You don't want to--
you don't wanna--
816
00:32:31,316 --> 00:32:33,851
You don't wanna find out
who killed your aunt?
817
00:32:34,053 --> 00:32:38,155
You don't wanna--you don't wanna
find out who killed your aunt?
818
00:32:42,594 --> 00:32:43,995
Well, we're trying to find out
who killed your aunt.
819
00:32:44,196 --> 00:32:47,264
You don't have any information
for us?
820
00:32:51,737 --> 00:32:55,071
But you know, and the person
that did it is still out there.
821
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:57,807
You're not concerned about--
822
00:32:57,877 --> 00:32:59,543
You not--
823
00:32:59,611 --> 00:33:02,013
You're not concerned--you're not
concerned about her?
824
00:33:02,214 --> 00:33:03,214
You're not concerned about her?
825
00:33:03,415 --> 00:33:06,015
[line disconnects]
826
00:33:06,084 --> 00:33:07,017
[sighs]
827
00:33:07,086 --> 00:33:09,152
You know, this thing is just
so frustrating.
828
00:33:09,222 --> 00:33:10,420
This is why these cases
go cold.
829
00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:12,222
You know, nobody cares.
830
00:33:12,292 --> 00:33:13,790
Nobody wants to talk
to the police.
831
00:33:17,296 --> 00:33:21,698
♪♪♪
832
00:33:21,768 --> 00:33:23,666
Hello? Mr. Neely.
833
00:33:23,736 --> 00:33:25,835
Are you--are you at home
right now, sir?
834
00:33:25,904 --> 00:33:28,306
Okay, um, I'll be out here
waiting on you.
835
00:33:28,507 --> 00:33:32,909
I wanted to talk to you
about dwayne taylor, remember?
836
00:33:32,979 --> 00:33:34,244
All right, thank you, sir.
837
00:33:34,314 --> 00:33:35,846
After talking
to debra's neighbors
838
00:33:36,048 --> 00:33:37,314
And reviewing the scene,
839
00:33:37,382 --> 00:33:38,915
We believe debra's killer
drove a black truck
840
00:33:38,985 --> 00:33:41,184
And damaged it by fleeing.
841
00:33:41,386 --> 00:33:43,119
None of our suspects
own that type of vehicle.
842
00:33:43,188 --> 00:33:45,755
But the mauldin p.D. Recognized
that earlier in the day
843
00:33:45,757 --> 00:33:46,890
Of debra's murder,
844
00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:50,394
Dwayne had brought his car
to a mechanic for repairs.
845
00:33:50,596 --> 00:33:51,929
We're wondering if there's
a connection
846
00:33:51,997 --> 00:33:53,263
Between dwayne's car trouble
847
00:33:53,333 --> 00:33:54,798
And the mystery truck
in this case.
848
00:33:54,866 --> 00:33:56,932
How you doing, sir?
All right. This is steve.
849
00:33:56,935 --> 00:33:58,202
Hello. How you doing, sir?
Nice to meet you.
850
00:33:58,403 --> 00:33:59,803
We've tracked down sam neely,
851
00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:03,139
The owner of the garage
that serviced dwayne's car.
852
00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:04,808
Can you tell us
about dwayne taylor?
853
00:34:04,877 --> 00:34:06,344
Right. Yes.
854
00:34:09,214 --> 00:34:10,280
Right.
855
00:34:15,153 --> 00:34:16,487
Right.
856
00:34:38,643 --> 00:34:39,944
So the damage
wasn't on the truck
857
00:34:40,145 --> 00:34:42,579
When you gave it to dwayne.
858
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:48,285
Okay.
859
00:34:49,187 --> 00:34:51,121
Right.
860
00:34:53,925 --> 00:34:55,325
Not only did dwayne borrow
sam's pickup truck
861
00:34:55,393 --> 00:34:57,193
On the day debra was killed,
862
00:34:57,262 --> 00:34:59,195
When he returned,
it had damage on its side,
863
00:34:59,264 --> 00:35:03,400
And the gas can in the bed of
the truck was missing the lid.
864
00:35:03,468 --> 00:35:05,001
And we know that the killer
used gasoline
865
00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:07,971
To set debra on fire
and her home after the murder.
866
00:35:07,973 --> 00:35:08,938
What it sound like?
867
00:35:09,007 --> 00:35:11,207
They say it used to tick
like a sprinkler system.
868
00:35:11,276 --> 00:35:12,342
It sound like
a sprinkler system.
869
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:13,543
Sound like a sprinkler system.
870
00:35:13,612 --> 00:35:14,611
-Yeah.
-Okay.
871
00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:20,750
[laughs]
872
00:35:20,819 --> 00:35:22,953
With sam neely confirming
that his vehicle
873
00:35:23,155 --> 00:35:25,555
Was actually the one
making that odd sound,
874
00:35:25,624 --> 00:35:27,490
I'd say we got a truckload
of circumstantial evidence
875
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:29,426
Against dwayne at this point.
876
00:35:29,494 --> 00:35:30,426
-Thanks a lot, sir.
-Yeah.
877
00:35:30,495 --> 00:35:31,695
-God bless you.
-All right.
878
00:35:31,763 --> 00:35:32,830
Thank you.
879
00:35:34,366 --> 00:35:35,965
♪♪♪
880
00:35:36,034 --> 00:35:38,535
So what's the plan with dwayne
right now?
881
00:35:38,571 --> 00:35:42,205
We're gonna call the jail
and have him transported
882
00:35:42,407 --> 00:35:43,973
And see if he wants
to talk to us.
883
00:35:44,043 --> 00:35:47,944
Now that we can place dwayne
at the scene of his aunt's house
884
00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:49,412
On the night of the murder,
885
00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:51,482
It's time to confront him
with the evidence.
886
00:35:51,683 --> 00:35:53,517
Lucky for us,
he's gonna be easy to find
887
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,919
'cause he's currently in custody
here in the county jail
888
00:35:55,987 --> 00:35:59,189
On an unrelated
domestic violence charge.
889
00:35:59,258 --> 00:36:01,624
And as long as he sits in there
and doesn't lawyer up,
890
00:36:01,694 --> 00:36:03,526
You know,
just keep going at him.
891
00:36:03,595 --> 00:36:05,663
Yeah, we gonna chat.
892
00:36:12,403 --> 00:36:17,875
♪♪♪
893
00:36:18,476 --> 00:36:20,410
All right, so ready?
894
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,579
-Yeah.
-Hello?
895
00:36:27,486 --> 00:36:30,520
So he refused to come out
at all?
896
00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:34,225
We were so eager to confront
dwayne taylor
897
00:36:34,426 --> 00:36:36,360
About his aunt's murder.
898
00:36:36,561 --> 00:36:37,828
All right, man.
Appreciate it. Thank you.
899
00:36:38,029 --> 00:36:39,563
-All right.
-But when the investigators
900
00:36:39,765 --> 00:36:42,632
Went to try and approach him,
he refused to talk.
901
00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:43,834
So they didn't even tell him
what it was for,
902
00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:46,220
But he knew it was
the mauldin police department?
903
00:36:46,221 --> 00:36:46,537
He knows. He knew exactly
what it was for.
904
00:36:47,606 --> 00:36:49,840
-Okay.
-He knew exactly what it's for.
905
00:36:49,875 --> 00:36:51,341
We also got ahold
of dwayne ishaaq,
906
00:36:51,544 --> 00:36:53,210
But he didn't wanna talk either.
907
00:36:53,245 --> 00:36:56,246
Fortunately, we still feel like
we've uncovered a lot
908
00:36:56,449 --> 00:36:58,916
Over the course
of this investigation.
909
00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:00,516
Let's look up here at our board.
910
00:37:00,585 --> 00:37:02,652
We have dwayne ishaaq.
911
00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:04,387
You went to that gas station
and got video footage of him...
912
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:05,589
-Right.
-...At the time he told you.
913
00:37:05,791 --> 00:37:07,190
Yes.
Now, the witness--
914
00:37:07,259 --> 00:37:08,458
Nobody's putting him
at the house.
915
00:37:08,528 --> 00:37:10,326
-He's got no issue with her.
-Right, no.
916
00:37:10,396 --> 00:37:12,462
With all that
being said and done,
917
00:37:12,532 --> 00:37:14,197
What's your feeling
about dwayne ishaaq today?
918
00:37:14,265 --> 00:37:16,267
-Take him off.
-Take him off.
919
00:37:16,468 --> 00:37:17,801
I definitely say take him off.
920
00:37:17,869 --> 00:37:19,603
Boyfriends and husbands
are usually
921
00:37:19,805 --> 00:37:22,071
Always the first suspects
in a murder case,
922
00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:23,172
And it would have been nice
923
00:37:23,209 --> 00:37:26,476
If we could've talked
to dwayne ishaaq yet again.
924
00:37:26,678 --> 00:37:28,878
The truth is,
he has had a solid alibi.
925
00:37:28,948 --> 00:37:32,349
We never uncovered
any possible motive,
926
00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:33,384
And from talking
to debra's exes,
927
00:37:34,387 --> 00:37:36,554
It's pretty clear
that she was always able
928
00:37:36,755 --> 00:37:37,955
To continue
positive relationships
929
00:37:39,157 --> 00:37:40,690
With her boyfriends even after
she broke up with them.
930
00:37:40,759 --> 00:37:43,226
Okay. Let's talk about sakeena.
931
00:37:43,229 --> 00:37:46,564
Sakeena and dwayne did not talk
by telephone
932
00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:48,131
The night of the murder.
-Right.
933
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:50,434
She didn't call anybody else
that whole night?
934
00:37:50,635 --> 00:37:51,234
There's no calls until
9:49 the next morning.
935
00:37:51,303 --> 00:37:52,702
Damn.
936
00:37:52,737 --> 00:37:55,838
Was sakeena a problem for her
like dwayne was?
937
00:37:55,908 --> 00:37:58,241
How do y'all feel about sakeena
being on the suspect board?
938
00:37:58,309 --> 00:38:00,978
-Shawn, what do you think?
-I think she's just distraught
939
00:38:01,179 --> 00:38:03,580
Because she has her brother,
and she has to protect him.
940
00:38:03,648 --> 00:38:05,381
-Right.
-Take her off.
941
00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:07,250
-So sakeena comes off.
-Yes, ma'am.
942
00:38:07,319 --> 00:38:11,187
It feels like sakeena
either knows or she suspects
943
00:38:11,256 --> 00:38:14,123
That her brother's involved
in her aunt's murder.
944
00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:17,594
And though clearly,
she had issues with debra,
945
00:38:17,662 --> 00:38:21,131
Like with dwayne ishaaq,
there's no evidence to suggest
946
00:38:21,333 --> 00:38:24,400
That she was involved
or tried to cover it up at all.
947
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:27,604
Okay, what all do we have
against dwayne taylor
948
00:38:27,672 --> 00:38:29,739
That you wanna talk
to your prosecutor about?
949
00:38:29,809 --> 00:38:32,542
Lay the foundation with motive.
950
00:38:32,612 --> 00:38:34,945
We're talking about a lady
that raised him.
951
00:38:35,013 --> 00:38:36,213
Mm-hmm.
952
00:38:37,482 --> 00:38:39,483
And all he could think about
was, "where's my ssi money?"
953
00:38:39,685 --> 00:38:41,217
It was always about money.
954
00:38:41,287 --> 00:38:44,687
And then get into she was always
having to kick him out.
955
00:38:44,757 --> 00:38:47,090
You know, she would kick him out
and she'd let him back.
956
00:38:47,125 --> 00:38:50,293
He was living there with her,
but she had to kick him out,
957
00:38:50,361 --> 00:38:53,029
Was not respecting
any rules of her household.
958
00:38:53,098 --> 00:38:55,999
And then we have mr. Sullivan.
What does he say, shawn?
959
00:38:56,067 --> 00:38:57,567
They got into an argument
over money,
960
00:38:57,635 --> 00:38:59,969
And she kicked him out.
961
00:39:00,038 --> 00:39:01,171
He knew she was--he was supposed
to be coming over there
962
00:39:01,373 --> 00:39:02,372
To pick up clothing.
963
00:39:02,574 --> 00:39:03,539
-For good.
-For good, you know?
964
00:39:03,575 --> 00:39:04,808
-Yeah.
-And leave.
965
00:39:07,846 --> 00:39:11,047
She probably told this
to you when? Within that week?
966
00:39:11,116 --> 00:39:13,449
And who in the whole wide world
is gonna come
967
00:39:13,518 --> 00:39:15,853
All the way back
to debra's bedroom
968
00:39:16,054 --> 00:39:17,920
And catch her when she's
getting out of the shower
969
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:19,656
With a knife already
in his hand?
970
00:39:19,724 --> 00:39:20,857
Somebody that used to live there
971
00:39:20,926 --> 00:39:22,058
And knows the layout
of the house.
972
00:39:22,128 --> 00:39:23,460
We heard that dwayne
had a history
973
00:39:23,462 --> 00:39:25,961
Of breaking into debra's home,
974
00:39:25,963 --> 00:39:29,333
Which is why she barricaded her
back door in the first place.
975
00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:32,435
Then you get to the night
of the fire.
976
00:39:32,503 --> 00:39:36,540
Witnesses the ways--first ones
that heard that pickup truck.
977
00:39:36,741 --> 00:39:37,940
It sound like
a sprinkler system.
978
00:39:38,009 --> 00:39:38,809
-Sound like a sprinkler system.
-Yes.
979
00:39:39,010 --> 00:39:40,042
-Okay.
-[imitates sprinkler whooshing]
980
00:39:40,112 --> 00:39:41,278
Okay.
981
00:39:42,481 --> 00:39:43,013
We know the owner of the truck,
who was mr. Neely,
982
00:39:44,015 --> 00:39:45,982
Confirmed that dwayne did
borrow his truck.
983
00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:48,117
When mr. Neely
got the truck back,
984
00:39:48,186 --> 00:39:49,919
He noticed there was damage
to the truck.
985
00:39:52,891 --> 00:39:55,092
Yeah.
986
00:39:55,293 --> 00:39:57,761
And what are the odds
that the same black truck
987
00:39:57,963 --> 00:40:00,763
Borrowed by dwayne taylor,
has damage on it,
988
00:40:00,833 --> 00:40:03,634
Equal to the tree sitting
right beside the house?
989
00:40:03,835 --> 00:40:05,235
-What are the odds?
-Yeah.
990
00:40:05,437 --> 00:40:07,704
His own statement
to law enforcement originally...
991
00:40:07,772 --> 00:40:09,706
He said he had to be at work
at 11:00.
992
00:40:09,774 --> 00:40:11,174
-He doesn't show up till 12:45.
-Yeah, right.
993
00:40:11,243 --> 00:40:13,176
I've always thought that
the best murder cases
994
00:40:13,245 --> 00:40:15,978
Are a combination of
circumstantial and physical,
995
00:40:16,048 --> 00:40:16,847
And you got it here.
This is great.
996
00:40:17,048 --> 00:40:18,981
You just lead
from one to the other.
997
00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:21,385
-It's a good case.
-It is. This is now or never.
998
00:40:21,586 --> 00:40:22,986
It's been 14 years.
999
00:40:23,188 --> 00:40:25,923
We're excited to present
this case against dwayne taylor
1000
00:40:26,124 --> 00:40:28,925
To the 13th judicial district's
solicitor's office
1001
00:40:28,993 --> 00:40:31,528
In the hopes
that they'll move ahead
1002
00:40:31,729 --> 00:40:34,664
In charging him with the murder
of his aunt, debra chisholm.
1003
00:40:34,734 --> 00:40:36,666
-You can sell it?
-Oh, yeah.
1004
00:40:36,736 --> 00:40:38,869
-"oh, yeah." I like that.
-[laughs]
1005
00:40:39,004 --> 00:40:41,871
♪♪♪
1006
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:46,009
♪ remember the kindness ♪
1007
00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:48,644
♪ remember the life ♪
1008
00:40:48,646 --> 00:40:51,481
Been waiting long to tell 'em,
right?
1009
00:40:51,550 --> 00:40:54,217
Almost 14 years.
1010
00:40:54,285 --> 00:40:56,485
You should be proud.
1011
00:40:56,554 --> 00:40:58,754
♪ smile ♪
1012
00:40:58,756 --> 00:40:59,990
After speaking with the d.A.,
1013
00:41:00,191 --> 00:41:01,224
The first thing
that came to my mind
1014
00:41:01,293 --> 00:41:04,293
Was that taineisha, gloria,
and the rest of the family
1015
00:41:04,362 --> 00:41:06,162
Would finally get closure--
1016
00:41:06,232 --> 00:41:09,166
Something they've been
waiting for for a long time.
1017
00:41:09,367 --> 00:41:12,969
♪ I'm alive ♪
1018
00:41:13,038 --> 00:41:14,370
-Hello, ladies.
-Hello.
1019
00:41:14,439 --> 00:41:15,505
-Hi.
-Hi.
1020
00:41:15,573 --> 00:41:18,174
I'm hoping it gives them
some kind of sense of mind
1021
00:41:18,244 --> 00:41:19,642
To move forward.
1022
00:41:19,711 --> 00:41:21,644
-You all doing okay today?
-Yeah.
1023
00:41:21,714 --> 00:41:22,912
Hanging in there.
How about yourself?
1024
00:41:22,981 --> 00:41:24,515
Doing fine. Wonderful.
Wonderful.
1025
00:41:24,716 --> 00:41:25,248
-We got good news.
-That's good.
1026
00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:27,250
-Good.
-Real good news.
1027
00:41:27,319 --> 00:41:28,151
We talked to the prosecutor.
1028
00:41:29,053 --> 00:41:29,686
-Okay.
-And we got the green light
1029
00:41:30,855 --> 00:41:32,389
To go forward and be signing
warrants on dwayne.
1030
00:41:33,658 --> 00:41:35,391
To arrest and charge dwayne
with murder and arson, right?
1031
00:41:35,461 --> 00:41:36,993
Arson, yes.
1032
00:41:37,061 --> 00:41:42,732
So overwhelmingly, the evidence
suggests that he did it?
1033
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,066
Yes, ma'am.
1034
00:41:44,136 --> 00:41:46,068
I mean,
it's even more unconscionable
1035
00:41:46,138 --> 00:41:50,740
For it to be my cousin,
but it's...Confirmation.
1036
00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:52,742
-Right, right. Something--yeah.
-Okay.
1037
00:41:52,812 --> 00:41:57,947
I'm feeling a mixture of relief,
disbelief,
1038
00:41:58,016 --> 00:41:59,615
A lot of simmering anger,
1039
00:41:59,684 --> 00:42:03,887
But in reflecting
on this past 14 years,
1040
00:42:04,089 --> 00:42:06,956
I'm pretty strong, and I get
that from, you know,
1041
00:42:07,025 --> 00:42:09,358
In hindsight,
I get that from her.
1042
00:42:09,494 --> 00:42:10,559
♪♪♪
1043
00:42:10,628 --> 00:42:12,061
-We also...
-[clears throat]
1044
00:42:13,431 --> 00:42:15,899
...Looked into whether or not
sakeena was involved or knew.
1045
00:42:16,101 --> 00:42:17,433
-We did all that, too.
-Mm-hmm.
1046
00:42:17,503 --> 00:42:20,436
And I think that we can
pretty much tell you she--
1047
00:42:20,505 --> 00:42:22,105
She's absolutely not involved.
1048
00:42:22,173 --> 00:42:24,974
She wouldn't really talk.
You tried to talk to her.
1049
00:42:25,043 --> 00:42:25,775
-We went to talk to her twice.
-She wouldn't...
1050
00:42:25,843 --> 00:42:27,076
-Yeah.
-She wouldn't talk to me.
1051
00:42:27,111 --> 00:42:31,113
We figured that. I guess it's
a loyalty to your brother,
1052
00:42:31,182 --> 00:42:35,651
But still, that was your aunt
who raised you.
1053
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,186
-Right.
-You know what I'm saying?
1054
00:42:37,256 --> 00:42:39,055
You still have a hard road
ahead of you,
1055
00:42:39,123 --> 00:42:40,389
But it's been wonderful
meeting you all,
1056
00:42:40,458 --> 00:42:42,792
And your mom's friends
were wonderful.
1057
00:42:42,862 --> 00:42:44,860
-Thank you.
-Yes, ma'am.
1058
00:42:44,929 --> 00:42:46,662
-It's nice meeting you.
-Definitely good news.
1059
00:42:46,732 --> 00:42:49,132
-Thank you so much.
-Here, let me hug you.
1060
00:42:49,334 --> 00:42:50,601
She's coming up.
1061
00:42:50,802 --> 00:42:51,534
-Thank you so much.
-Thank you.
1062
00:42:51,736 --> 00:42:53,270
-Yes, ma'am.
-You're quite welcome.
1063
00:42:54,572 --> 00:42:58,407
It's bittersweet to bring this
news to taineisha and gloria
1064
00:42:58,477 --> 00:43:00,543
Because someone that they love
1065
00:43:00,745 --> 00:43:02,479
Killed someone else
that they loved.
1066
00:43:02,681 --> 00:43:04,448
I love you.
1067
00:43:04,649 --> 00:43:08,351
But hopefully, knowing that
justice is finally being served,
1068
00:43:08,419 --> 00:43:12,221
Maybe this will also bring them
a little peace.
1069
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:16,459
♪ let's keep hope alive ♪
1070
00:43:16,595 --> 00:43:22,832
♪♪♪
1071
00:43:22,901 --> 00:43:25,301
-Custody, right?
-You know I am, sir.
1072
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:26,637
You're gonna stand right here.
I got two copies,
1073
00:43:26,838 --> 00:43:29,573
Got two warrants
to read to you, okay?
1074
00:43:29,774 --> 00:43:31,107
On the 12th of December, 2007,
1075
00:43:31,176 --> 00:43:32,975
The defendant,
dwayne caseem taylor,
1076
00:43:33,045 --> 00:43:34,912
Did commit the offense of murder
with malice aforethought
1077
00:43:35,113 --> 00:43:36,446
Against the victim,
debra chisholm.
1078
00:43:37,782 --> 00:43:41,784
Siegler: On September 17, 2021,
dwayne taylor was charged
1079
00:43:41,853 --> 00:43:43,987
With first degree arson
1080
00:43:44,189 --> 00:43:46,055
And the murder
of debra chisholm.
1081
00:43:46,125 --> 00:43:48,125
...Brookbend road,
mauldin, south carolina.