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<i> Narrator: What is going on,</i>
<i> true crime fans?</i>

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<i> Gather around, grab a chair.</i>
<i> Let's talk some true crime.</i>

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<i> Today, we look</i>
<i> into the unsolved murder</i>

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<i> Of candace hiltz.</i>

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A beautiful and
intelligent 17-year-old girl

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Savagely murdered in her home.

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A number of theories
have sprung up over the years,

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All of which
become more dark and vicious

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As you get into them.

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If she was shot
by multiple guns,

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Then she was killed
by multiple people.

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Was somebody from the sheriff's
office involved in the murder

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Or killed candace
and has covered it up?

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This botched investigation
had this small town

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In a terrified frenzy.

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<i>♪ dark clouds rolled into town ♪</i>

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<i> ♪ who knows</i>
<i> when it comes around? ♪</i>

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<i> ♪ when or where</i>
<i> it holds us down? ♪</i>

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<i>♪ who knows wherever it goes? ♪</i>

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Siegler: Did you go get
your good coffee this morning?

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I did not. I just drank
crappy hotel coffee.

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-It's pretty bad.
-It was really bad.

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Yeah.

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What did you think
when you read this case?

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Well, this one, because
of the age of the victim,

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Is particularly sad.

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I mean, this is a young girl.

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Siegler: It feels like she was
the star of the family.

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Graduated
from high school early.

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She was a girl in a little town
who wanted to grow up

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And do away and do
something good with her life,

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And she ends up shot
inside her own trailer.

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Abbey and I are here
in fremont county, colorado,

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Where back in 2006

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A bright, young 17-year-old girl
named candace hiltz

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Was found brutally murdered

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With her baby girl
just a few feet away.

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The viciousness in this murder,
the excessive violence,

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And a baby left at the scene--

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I mean, this is something
out of a nightmare.

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I know.

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Abbondandolo:
Candace was shot seven times

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With multiple firearms,
dragged to her room,

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And then stuffed under her bed.

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And while investigators
suspected

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That her brother
may have killed her,

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Many in the media
and the community

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Suspected the investigators
themselves.

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You have two completely
different stories--

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The story
of the sheriff's department

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And the story
of the hiltz family.

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James, candace's older brother,

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Who suffered from multiple
mental health disorders,

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Was a pretty easy target.

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And multiple family members
all say james hiltz

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Was not the murderer.

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Podcasters, the tv shows,

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They all point at crooked cops
committed the murder.

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Candace's family
said candace hiltz

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Had an altercation
with an officer.

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She had seen him
taking envelopes

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From drug dealers
around town.

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The two got
into a heated argument.

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He left the house enraged.

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There is allegations
of corruption.

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I don't know where that story's
gonna take us.

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But this is
the police department's chance

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To really be honest with us

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And let the facts land
where they may.

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Siegler: Candace's mother
has been haunted for 15 years,

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Not only from the loss
of her daughter,

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But also because of her distrust
of law enforcement

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And the suspicions
that her own son was involved.

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For her, for candace,
for this whole community,

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We need to take a hard,
unbiased look at this case

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And sort out the rumors from
the facts once and for all.

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We're the first people
who has the real case report,

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The real witness statements,
the real crime-scene evidence

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Available to look at.

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I feel like we're gonna
figure out what happened.

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You're an optimistic fellow.

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I think we're good
at what we do.

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It has been 16 years
and still no answers...

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<i> Police consider her killing</i>
<i> a cult killing...</i>

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<i> Years later,</i>
<i> the case is still unsolved...</i>

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Siegler:<i> I've chosen cold cases</i>
<i> from across the country</i>

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<i> And teamed up with the best</i>
<i> detectives to solve them.</i>

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<i>We're more determined than ever</i>

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<i> To bring justice</i>
<i> to these victims.</i>

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-Good morning.
-Morning.

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-Derek irvine.
-Nice to meet you.

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Undersheriff, fremont county
sheriff's department.

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-Pete.
-Pete. Nice to meet you.

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Pete, were you here in 2006
when this happened?

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I was not. I didn't come
to cañon city until 2007.

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This case has left
a black cloud over this office.

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The investigators
were dealing with rumor control,

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Social media podcasters that
will do a story on this case

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Without any of the facts.

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With your guys' assistance,

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We will be able to bring closure
to this entire case,

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Completely open
and completely transparent.

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And I think that's gonna satisfy
a lot of people.

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This case has sat in limbo
for way too long.

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I'm excited
about the opportunity

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To have kelly and abbey really
help us get justice for candace,

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Which at the end of the day
is what this is all about.

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Siegler: You know,
it's not terribly often

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That we have a victim
who's only 17 years old.

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It seems like candace
was super smart

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From all that we could read
in the file.

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Graduated high school early.

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She had completed
her application to stanford.

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She had actually hoped
to be a supreme court justice.

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Siegler: Wow.

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Well, pete, you wanna run
your case down to us?

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Candace hiltz lived up in
a pretty rural mountainous area

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With her mother, dolores, and
her 11-month-old baby, paige.

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On the afternoon
of August 15, 2006,

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Dolores leaves candace alone
with paige for the day

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To run some errands.

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Candace has a boyfriend, jesse.

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He is the father
of candace's daughter.

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And he comes over to check on
candace and the baby.

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He hears baby paige screaming
from outside.

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When he enters the home,

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He sees a large pool of blood
on the floor

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And blood on the walls.

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Within this time, dolores,
candace's mother,

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She returns home.

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She goes in.
She notices a blanket.

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Coming out
from underneath candace's bed.

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She removes the blanket,
and she finds the body

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Of her daughter, candace,
under the bed.

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It was determined later

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That she had suffered a .410
shotgun wound to the face,

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A .45 long colt wound
to the chest,

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And five .22 rounds
to the back of her head.

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It's not a robbery.
It's not a sexual assault.

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What's the motive
for killing this young lady?

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To me,
that's question number one.

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All right. Let's start off
with our suspects.

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Investigators questioned
candace's boyfriend

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And cleared him as a suspect.

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And while candace's family
later changed their minds,

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At first the only person
they suspected was her brother.

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Tell me--tell me
how you know that?

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So we're gonna start
with james "jimmy" hiltz.

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Immediately after the body
is discovered,

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The question comes up
right away, "where's jimmy?"

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-Siegler: And he's hiding.
-And he's disappeared. Right?

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He's not coming back and forth
to the house,

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So the investigators immediately
start searching for him.

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They had brought out
tracking dogs,

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And he's actually taken
into custody several days after.

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Siegler: Candace's
older brother, jimmy,

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Suffered from severe
mental illness.

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He was delusional
and he heard voices in his head.

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At the time
he had recently separated

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From his wife and his kids,
and he was living homeless

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In the hills
behind candace's trailer.

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He also had been
burglarizing local homes

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For food and supplies.

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We don't know
what he's diagnosed as, do we?

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-No.
-If it's schizophrenia

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Or paranoia. We don't know.
-No, I'm not aware of any...

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What about specifically issues
between jimmy and candace?

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That argument
over the family dog.

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The dog, jacks, barked at him
every time he came around.

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Would run after him.
Did not like james at all.

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The dog comes up missing,
and she believes

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That he's responsible
for why the dog is missing.

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There's some kind of altercation
or argument over this dog

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During this argument
with candace.

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This is the most angry
and enraged he has ever been.

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Abbondandolo:
After candace's murder,

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Her dog's remains
were found nearby,

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Shot three times
with a .22-caliber gun,

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The same caliber as one
of the guns that killed candace.

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We sent those bullets off
for testing

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To see if they were fired
from the same weapon.

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The thing is, there were
three types of ammunition found

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In candace's body.

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Now, would jimmy have really
used three guns to kill her?

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Or could it have been
multiple shooters

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In a much larger conspiracy?

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Okay. So now we're gonna
put up robert dodd.

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-You called him robbie, huh?
-Yep.

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Abbondandolo: He was in charge
of the investigation's unit

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At the time of candace's death,

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So he would
have been in charge

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Of overseeing
that investigation.

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If you listen to the podcast
or other media,

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You might have heard a theory

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That members
of the sheriff's department

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Committed and covered up
candace's murder.

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Families of candace hiltz
had an altercation of some sort

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With an officer
at the sheriff's office

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About a week
before she was killed.

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The family basically
had brought up

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That law enforcement
had come up to the family house

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To investigate the burglaries

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And then had the
verbal altercation with candace.

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And candace became belligerent.

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Siegler: And she was about
to report drug payoffs, right?

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Yeah.

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I heard that
on one of the podcasts.

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While the rumors
are a bit inconsistent,

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They basically state
that candace accused

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A sheriff's deputy
of taking bribes.

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So he and some other officers
killed her dog as a warning

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And then killed candace
to silence her.

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Those are the first
of many rumors

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We're gonna be looking into
this week.

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This young girl kind of runs
her mouth to this cop,

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And the cop decides,
"hey, you know what?

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I'm gonna teach
this young girl a lesson,"

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And that lesson is
then we're gonna murder you.

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As wild as the conspiracy theory
sounds, we do know

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That dodd engaged in suspicious
behavior after the murder.

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What's the date
of our storage unit discovery?

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December 2016,
dodd had a storage unit,

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And the payment
on that unit lapsed.

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So the contents of that unit
were then sold to a third party

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By the name of rick ratzlaff.

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And when rick goes
into that storage unit,

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He finds bags of evidence.

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So he then notifies
local law enforcement,

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And he also made a phone call
to local media.

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Siegler: Okay.

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It blew up like wildfire.

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It was immediately
pointing fingers at the office

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For covering up
candace's murder.

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An investigation into dodd

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By the colorado
bureau of investigation

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Found that he not only
mishandled potential evidence,

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He altered candace's case file
after it was discovered.

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In 2018, that case went
to trial, and he was convicted.

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A jury found dodd guilty

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Of misdemeanor
abuse of public records

241
00:10:55,689 --> 00:11:00,692
And two petty counts
official misconduct.

242
00:11:00,694 --> 00:11:03,462
A review of the items
in dodd's storage unit

243
00:11:03,464 --> 00:11:06,230
Later determined that they
were not directly linked

244
00:11:06,232 --> 00:11:07,433
To candace's homicide.

245
00:11:07,435 --> 00:11:10,568
So then why did dodd
change her case file?

246
00:11:10,570 --> 00:11:12,737
We need to talk to him
and take a closer look

247
00:11:12,739 --> 00:11:14,338
At those items ourselves.

248
00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:17,175
You cannot look
at the hiltz homicide

249
00:11:17,177 --> 00:11:20,012
Without looking into
robert dodd's involvement

250
00:11:20,014 --> 00:11:23,082
In that case,
as well as what happened

251
00:11:23,084 --> 00:11:25,584
With those items
recovered in that storage unit.

252
00:11:25,586 --> 00:11:27,151
Okay.

253
00:11:27,153 --> 00:11:30,755
Dodd's storage unit
is another major rumor

254
00:11:30,757 --> 00:11:33,124
That suggests
that the sheriff's department

255
00:11:33,126 --> 00:11:34,659
Is responsible
for candace's murder

256
00:11:34,661 --> 00:11:36,294
And not her brother, jimmy.

257
00:11:36,296 --> 00:11:39,464
The other rumors were
that the multiple guns used

258
00:11:39,466 --> 00:11:41,365
Suggest multiple shooters,

259
00:11:41,367 --> 00:11:43,168
That jimmy wasn't violent

260
00:11:43,170 --> 00:11:44,703
And he did not have access

261
00:11:44,705 --> 00:11:46,338
To any firearms.

262
00:11:46,340 --> 00:11:48,507
It is a lot to get
to the bottom of,

263
00:11:48,509 --> 00:11:50,341
Which is why
the sheriff's department

264
00:11:50,343 --> 00:11:51,743
Has asked us for our help.

265
00:11:51,745 --> 00:11:53,512
We're the first people
that you've let

266
00:11:53,514 --> 00:11:55,780
Look at your evidence?
-Yes. Exactly.

267
00:11:55,782 --> 00:11:57,682
And that's what we're gonna do
this week.

268
00:11:57,684 --> 00:11:59,518
Complete access to your files,

269
00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,255
And we're gonna figure out
what the heck happened.

270
00:12:05,259 --> 00:12:08,559
<i> ♪ I'm trying to tell myself ♪</i>

271
00:12:08,561 --> 00:12:12,096
<i> ♪ that there's still hope ♪</i>

272
00:12:12,098 --> 00:12:15,367
<i> ♪ as I turn and walk away ♪</i>

273
00:12:15,369 --> 00:12:18,569
<i> ♪ I'm left alone ♪</i>

274
00:12:18,571 --> 00:12:21,306
Siegler: Today we get to talk
to candace's mom.

275
00:12:21,308 --> 00:12:23,541
How else are you thinking
about approaching her?

276
00:12:23,543 --> 00:12:26,311
To let her know that, you know,
I am new to this case,

277
00:12:26,313 --> 00:12:29,314
So I don't represent any
of the previous investigations.

278
00:12:29,316 --> 00:12:30,715
Siegler: That's huge.

279
00:12:30,717 --> 00:12:33,651
Candace's mother
initially told investigators

280
00:12:33,653 --> 00:12:36,420
That she suspected
her son, jimmy,

281
00:12:36,422 --> 00:12:38,657
As the person
who killed candace.

282
00:12:46,065 --> 00:12:48,332
Though it seemed
like within days,

283
00:12:48,334 --> 00:12:49,534
She changed her mind.

284
00:12:49,536 --> 00:12:52,537
And since dodd's conviction
in 2018,

285
00:12:52,539 --> 00:12:54,805
She has been very vocal
in the media

286
00:12:54,807 --> 00:12:56,741
That she distrusts
the sheriffs

287
00:12:56,743 --> 00:12:58,543
And thinks they're involved
in candace's mother.

288
00:12:58,545 --> 00:13:00,412
-Hello, ladies.
-Hi.

289
00:13:00,414 --> 00:13:01,746
-I'm kelly.
-Heather.

290
00:13:01,748 --> 00:13:02,781
-Nice to meet you.
-I'm dolores.

291
00:13:02,783 --> 00:13:04,315
Hello, miss dolores.

292
00:13:04,317 --> 00:13:06,851
Dolores has dealt
with so much tragedy,

293
00:13:06,853 --> 00:13:10,855
Including caring for and raising
candace's baby daughter

294
00:13:10,857 --> 00:13:14,592
Until she died at the age of 7
of a very rare brain condition.

295
00:13:14,594 --> 00:13:16,694
Today, we went her to know

296
00:13:16,696 --> 00:13:19,331
That we understand
she's a victim here, too.

297
00:13:19,333 --> 00:13:23,301
We're gonna try our very hardest
to solve her daughter's murder.

298
00:13:23,303 --> 00:13:25,203
Talk about candi.
Is that what you called her?

299
00:13:25,205 --> 00:13:26,671
-Heather: Candi girl.
-Candi girl.

300
00:13:26,673 --> 00:13:28,107
Siegler: Candi girl.

301
00:13:28,109 --> 00:13:30,508
Candi was like that light
that comes in a room

302
00:13:30,510 --> 00:13:32,310
That everybody wanted.

303
00:13:32,312 --> 00:13:35,046
And everybody made a big thing
about how beautiful she was.

304
00:13:35,048 --> 00:13:36,315
-Siegler: She was.
-But the big thing was

305
00:13:36,317 --> 00:13:38,249
How beautiful she was inside.

306
00:13:38,251 --> 00:13:39,584
She loved life.

307
00:13:39,586 --> 00:13:42,186
Candi would take on, at 5'2",
any of her brothers.

308
00:13:42,188 --> 00:13:45,389
Like, she was their conscience.

309
00:13:45,391 --> 00:13:48,259
There was no gray areas
with candi.

310
00:13:48,261 --> 00:13:50,294
If you were wrong,
you were wrong.

311
00:13:50,296 --> 00:13:55,333
Candi was my seventh child.
Candi was born on December 22nd.

312
00:13:55,335 --> 00:13:58,770
And on that christmas morning,

313
00:13:58,772 --> 00:14:01,572
I came home from the hospital
at 5:00 in the morning

314
00:14:01,574 --> 00:14:04,209
And placed her under the tree.

315
00:14:04,211 --> 00:14:06,778
And candi was
the spirit of christmas.

316
00:14:06,780 --> 00:14:08,279
She lived 100%.

317
00:14:08,281 --> 00:14:10,182
She was the light in my life.

318
00:14:10,184 --> 00:14:13,051
She was so mature. She was...

319
00:14:14,221 --> 00:14:15,654
Everything.

320
00:14:15,656 --> 00:14:18,223
It's a circumstantial
evidence case.

321
00:14:18,225 --> 00:14:19,557
Mm-hmm.

322
00:14:19,559 --> 00:14:22,093
And we need
every little piece of evidence

323
00:14:22,095 --> 00:14:24,662
To tell the story
of what happened to candace.

324
00:14:24,664 --> 00:14:27,765
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

325
00:14:27,767 --> 00:14:31,235
There is 67 officers
in that cover-up.

326
00:14:31,237 --> 00:14:35,139
We're talking about
all the top of the top here.

327
00:14:35,141 --> 00:14:38,242
And if you look into all
the other unsolved murders

328
00:14:38,244 --> 00:14:42,179
In this county,
a lot of them are cop-related.

329
00:14:42,181 --> 00:14:45,250
-Different scenarios...
-Cop-related.

330
00:14:47,654 --> 00:14:50,721
[sighs] it sounds like you...

331
00:14:50,723 --> 00:14:54,792
Kinda already have
your mind made up

332
00:14:54,794 --> 00:14:57,161
That this is
what happened to candi.

333
00:14:57,262 --> 00:15:02,900
I know it's not james.

334
00:15:02,901 --> 00:15:08,539
♪♪♪

335
00:15:08,541 --> 00:15:11,676
We don't wanna leave
any stone left unturned.

336
00:15:11,678 --> 00:15:13,811
We wanna be able to answer
every question that you have.

337
00:15:13,813 --> 00:15:15,013
Mm-hmm.

338
00:15:15,015 --> 00:15:16,314
It's clear
that candace's mother,

339
00:15:16,316 --> 00:15:18,183
Like a lot of people
in this community

340
00:15:18,185 --> 00:15:19,784
Believe
that the sheriff department

341
00:15:19,786 --> 00:15:22,221
Is involved
in her daughter's murder.

342
00:15:22,223 --> 00:15:23,621
And she's adamant

343
00:15:23,623 --> 00:15:25,756
That her son, jimmy,
had nothing to do with it.

344
00:15:25,758 --> 00:15:28,292
It's important
for us to hear her out.

345
00:15:28,294 --> 00:15:30,229
Jimmy had a struggling
alcohol problem

346
00:15:30,231 --> 00:15:32,164
After his father died.

347
00:15:32,166 --> 00:15:34,166
And he was broke from reality
and he was suicidal.

348
00:15:34,168 --> 00:15:36,100
But he was afraid of all of us.

349
00:15:36,102 --> 00:15:40,438
And at one point he said to me,
"where's my mother?"

350
00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,039
And I said, "I'm right here.

351
00:15:42,041 --> 00:15:44,042
Let's get you
into state hospital,

352
00:15:44,044 --> 00:15:46,077
And let's get some help,"
and he'd run.

353
00:15:46,079 --> 00:15:48,479
How much does he remember
about what happened?

354
00:15:48,481 --> 00:15:49,780
It's all scattered.

355
00:15:49,782 --> 00:15:52,717
All he remembers
is that he was hallucinating

356
00:15:52,719 --> 00:15:55,453
-And everybody was after him.
-Okay.

357
00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:57,554
Jimmy's been
in a mental hospital

358
00:15:57,556 --> 00:16:00,124
Since right after
candace's murder.

359
00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:01,659
So we're not gonna be able
to talk to him.

360
00:16:01,661 --> 00:16:04,628
That means that dolores
might be our best chance

361
00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:06,230
In trying to understand

362
00:16:06,232 --> 00:16:08,333
Any potential motive
jimmy might have had.

363
00:16:08,335 --> 00:16:10,434
And while we don't wanna
cause her any more pain,

364
00:16:10,436 --> 00:16:11,469
We have to ask her about it.

365
00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:13,071
Okay, let me read this
to you.

366
00:16:13,073 --> 00:16:16,273
This is from an interview
with you, typed-up notes.

367
00:16:16,275 --> 00:16:19,410
"some six days
before the murder,

368
00:16:19,412 --> 00:16:22,313
Jimmy comes home
to get some food.

369
00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:24,616
He had not been welcome
in the home

370
00:16:24,618 --> 00:16:26,384
Due to recent complex--"
-that's a lie.

371
00:16:26,386 --> 00:16:28,352
Disagree with whatever you want.

372
00:16:28,354 --> 00:16:30,354
"suspect had not been
welcome in the home

373
00:16:30,356 --> 00:16:34,225
Due to recent conflicts
with candace and the mother."

374
00:16:34,227 --> 00:16:35,993
So you and candace.
You're saying not true?

375
00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:37,963
-That's a lie.
-So I'll mark that off.

376
00:16:37,965 --> 00:16:39,564
It also talks about in here

377
00:16:39,566 --> 00:16:45,170
How you see candace and jimmy
get into a fight over her dog.

378
00:16:45,172 --> 00:16:47,772
Candace accuses him
of harming the dog

379
00:16:47,774 --> 00:16:50,241
Because the dog didn't like him.

380
00:16:50,243 --> 00:16:51,575
-No.
-You say not true.

381
00:16:51,577 --> 00:16:53,578
No. That's totally not true.

382
00:16:53,580 --> 00:16:55,780
She wouldn't even bark
if jimmy came up.

383
00:16:55,782 --> 00:16:57,983
Dolores is denying the reports

384
00:16:57,985 --> 00:17:00,519
That there was any bad blood
between jimmy and candace,

385
00:17:00,521 --> 00:17:02,487
Which contradicts
what she said back then.

386
00:17:22,442 --> 00:17:27,411
Maybe dolores doesn't remember.
Maybe she's blocked it out.

387
00:17:27,413 --> 00:17:30,214
Maybe jimmy's conflict
over the dog

388
00:17:30,216 --> 00:17:32,617
Had nothing to do
with candace's murder.

389
00:17:32,619 --> 00:17:35,553
In any case, I don't think
that any of us can understand

390
00:17:35,555 --> 00:17:37,489
The pain
that she's been through

391
00:17:37,491 --> 00:17:39,390
Or how she's managed
to deal with it.

392
00:17:39,392 --> 00:17:42,293
We don't know right now
how all this is gonna play out.

393
00:17:42,295 --> 00:17:46,230
But when we get all done
with this whole investigation,

394
00:17:46,232 --> 00:17:48,232
What if the answer here,

395
00:17:48,234 --> 00:17:50,569
We come to tell you
that we don't think

396
00:17:50,571 --> 00:17:54,639
That your theory
on what happened is right?

397
00:17:54,641 --> 00:17:56,307
Then I'll have to deal with it.

398
00:17:56,309 --> 00:17:58,310
Okay. 'cause you want
the truth, right?

399
00:17:58,312 --> 00:18:00,111
Yeah.

400
00:18:00,113 --> 00:18:02,313
And, dolores, the one thing
that I can promise you is that

401
00:18:02,315 --> 00:18:05,249
I will look at all
of the evidence and the facts.

402
00:18:05,251 --> 00:18:08,452
And remember, no one hates a bad
cop more than a good cop does.

403
00:18:08,454 --> 00:18:09,653
Mm-hmm.

404
00:18:09,655 --> 00:18:11,256
Siegler: I think
that what we all have

405
00:18:11,258 --> 00:18:13,791
To keep reminding ourselves
is that

406
00:18:13,793 --> 00:18:17,329
Not only did she lose a child,
which is the hardest thing

407
00:18:17,331 --> 00:18:19,097
Any parent
could ever have to go through,

408
00:18:19,099 --> 00:18:23,567
But she is, more importantly,
today the mother of a suspect.

409
00:18:23,569 --> 00:18:26,137
And I think that right now,
that's her priority,

410
00:18:26,139 --> 00:18:28,139
And I can't even blame her.

411
00:18:28,141 --> 00:18:31,175
But at the same time, I'm trying
to get her to tell us the truth.

412
00:18:31,177 --> 00:18:32,444
And I've never
really had to deal

413
00:18:32,446 --> 00:18:34,613
With this exact kind
of situation before.

414
00:18:36,315 --> 00:18:39,583
-[line ringing]
<i> -hello?</i>

415
00:18:39,585 --> 00:18:41,420
Taletha, this is
undersheriff irvine

416
00:18:41,422 --> 00:18:43,787
With the fremont county
sheriff's office. How are you?

417
00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:46,323
If we're going to tackle the
rumors about candace's murder,

418
00:18:46,325 --> 00:18:47,558
The best place to start

419
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:48,793
Is with the big rumor,

420
00:18:48,795 --> 00:18:50,494
About the cops' alleged motive.

421
00:18:50,496 --> 00:18:53,698
I was hoping to meet up
with you sometime today.

422
00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:56,634
-Would you be available?
<i> -Yeah. I could do that.</i>

423
00:18:56,636 --> 00:18:58,035
All right, we'll see you there.

424
00:18:58,037 --> 00:18:59,169
Abbondandolo: We've tracked down

425
00:18:59,171 --> 00:19:01,572
One of candace's
closest friends, taletha.

426
00:19:01,574 --> 00:19:03,241
The question is,
does she know anything

427
00:19:03,243 --> 00:19:06,077
About the alleged confrontation
with that sheriff's officer

428
00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:08,446
Or anything
about jimmy's potential motive?

429
00:19:08,448 --> 00:19:09,747
Taletha? Hi.

430
00:19:11,450 --> 00:19:12,617
Nice to meet you.

431
00:19:12,619 --> 00:19:14,652
What--what can you tell us?

432
00:19:16,190 --> 00:19:18,422
Sad situation
all the way around.

433
00:19:18,424 --> 00:19:20,258
Um...

434
00:19:23,529 --> 00:19:25,329
Candi was, like, my best friend.

435
00:19:25,331 --> 00:19:27,665
Um, she really enjoyed being
a mom and having a baby.

436
00:19:27,667 --> 00:19:28,667
Yeah.

437
00:19:28,669 --> 00:19:30,135
So she was doing her homeschool.

438
00:19:30,137 --> 00:19:32,469
She was gonna end up
going to college.

439
00:19:32,471 --> 00:19:36,073
She was so smart. No drugs.
No nothing. Uh...

440
00:19:36,075 --> 00:19:38,509
Candi was kinda, like,
break the mold, you know?

441
00:19:38,511 --> 00:19:41,345
-Sad.
-As outsiders learning about it,

442
00:19:41,347 --> 00:19:45,549
I hear all these wild stories
about jimmy back in the day.

443
00:19:45,551 --> 00:19:47,151
Did you see any of that?

444
00:19:47,153 --> 00:19:49,687
So jimmy was pretty
off his rocker.

445
00:19:49,689 --> 00:19:52,023
What do you mean
"off his rocker"?

446
00:19:52,025 --> 00:19:53,625
Uh, wearing pots and pans
as shields,

447
00:19:53,627 --> 00:19:55,225
And he was pretty delusional.

448
00:19:55,227 --> 00:19:58,429
So it was, like, natural.
When all of the stuff happened,

449
00:19:58,431 --> 00:19:59,530
That was the first thought
that everybody had.

450
00:19:59,532 --> 00:20:01,165
-Sure.
-We thought jimmy killed her.

451
00:20:01,167 --> 00:20:03,167
I think, in fact, the police
reports probably all read that.

452
00:20:03,169 --> 00:20:05,437
What about you?
What did you think?

453
00:20:05,439 --> 00:20:08,706
I knew jimmy had the capability.
I mean, he--

454
00:20:08,708 --> 00:20:10,441
He literally didn't know
what was going on.

455
00:20:10,443 --> 00:20:13,378
Okay. What would jimmy's
motive be to kill his sister?

456
00:20:13,380 --> 00:20:16,614
The only motive that we could
have thought was delusions.

457
00:20:16,616 --> 00:20:18,048
-Okay.
-That he didn't know it was her.

458
00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:21,051
-Okay.
-Because he was hallucinating.

459
00:20:21,053 --> 00:20:22,753
Taletha doesn't seem
to know anything

460
00:20:22,755 --> 00:20:25,789
About jimmy and candace
fighting over the missing dog.

461
00:20:25,791 --> 00:20:28,459
Of course
with his psychological issues,

462
00:20:28,461 --> 00:20:31,128
You have to wonder if he really
needed much of a motive.

463
00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:33,731
So that's a big challenge--
investigating a suspect

464
00:20:33,733 --> 00:20:35,400
Who's suffering
from mental illness.

465
00:20:35,402 --> 00:20:38,036
It's even harder to know
what they're capable of.

466
00:20:38,038 --> 00:20:40,838
Irvine: We're looking
at the big picture.

467
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,274
We're looking at jimmy.

468
00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:47,512
We're looking at the whole rumor
the cops were involved,

469
00:20:47,514 --> 00:20:49,447
Because it's
never been addressed.

470
00:20:49,449 --> 00:20:50,448
Taletha: Yeah.

471
00:21:16,443 --> 00:21:18,542
Taletha doesn't know

472
00:21:18,544 --> 00:21:21,111
About candace's alleged
altercation with an officer,

473
00:21:21,113 --> 00:21:22,646
And only suspected cops

474
00:21:22,648 --> 00:21:25,584
After the news broke
about dodd's storage unit.

475
00:21:25,586 --> 00:21:27,586
Thank you for talking with us.
I really appreciate that.

476
00:21:27,588 --> 00:21:29,554
At this point,
we're not much closer

477
00:21:29,556 --> 00:21:31,121
To figuring out
our killer's motive,

478
00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:33,291
Rumored or otherwise.

479
00:21:33,293 --> 00:21:33,357
We're just gonna have
to keep digging.

480
00:21:33,692 --> 00:21:47,405
♪♪♪

481
00:21:47,407 --> 00:21:49,307
There are six main rumors

482
00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:51,209
That suggest
the sheriff's department

483
00:21:51,211 --> 00:21:52,475
Is responsible
for candace's murder

484
00:21:52,477 --> 00:21:54,378
And not her brother, jimmy.

485
00:21:54,380 --> 00:21:56,647
The first we're chasing down
is the rumor about

486
00:21:56,649 --> 00:21:58,382
The sheriff's department's
motive--

487
00:21:58,384 --> 00:22:00,285
That candace accused an officer
of corruption.

488
00:22:00,287 --> 00:22:01,753
Candace told the deputy

489
00:22:01,755 --> 00:22:03,620
That she had seen him
taking envelopes

490
00:22:03,622 --> 00:22:05,423
From drug dealers around town.

491
00:22:05,425 --> 00:22:07,157
And she threatened him,

492
00:22:07,159 --> 00:22:08,726
And potentially she had
information on him

493
00:22:08,728 --> 00:22:10,629
That could ruin his life
and his career.

494
00:22:10,631 --> 00:22:12,296
And then the cop decides,
"hey, you know what?

495
00:22:12,298 --> 00:22:15,766
We're gonna murder you."

496
00:22:15,768 --> 00:22:17,335
The guy that we're
going to see now,

497
00:22:17,337 --> 00:22:21,572
He was a sergeant back in '06
when this homicide happened.

498
00:22:21,574 --> 00:22:25,276
He dealt with the family
quite a bit.

499
00:22:25,278 --> 00:22:27,344
Abbondandolo: There's no
evidence that sergeant dodd

500
00:22:27,346 --> 00:22:29,581
Ever visited candace's home
before the murder.

501
00:22:29,583 --> 00:22:32,683
But there is a complaint filed
six months after the murder

502
00:22:32,685 --> 00:22:34,084
By candace's mom,

503
00:22:34,086 --> 00:22:35,654
Claiming that
a sergeant tracy hall

504
00:22:35,656 --> 00:22:38,122
Did stop by
and that he was the one

505
00:22:38,124 --> 00:22:40,057
That candace got
into a heated argument with.

506
00:22:40,059 --> 00:22:41,392
There he is.

507
00:22:41,394 --> 00:22:43,627
This has to be the source of
the rumor, so we have to get

508
00:22:43,629 --> 00:22:45,664
Sergeant hall's
side of the story.

509
00:22:45,666 --> 00:22:47,798
You were familiar
with the family, is that right?

510
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,602
That's right.
We had a string of burglaries

511
00:22:50,604 --> 00:22:53,404
From, like, summer cabins
and things of that nature.

512
00:22:53,406 --> 00:22:55,606
When they would report it,
they would name jimmy

513
00:22:55,608 --> 00:22:57,407
As the suspect breaking in.

514
00:22:57,409 --> 00:23:00,277
How about dolores?
Did you talk to her often?

515
00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:02,346
She was really scared of jimmy.

516
00:23:02,348 --> 00:23:04,815
He had mental problems,
and she would feed him outside

517
00:23:04,817 --> 00:23:07,117
Because she didn't want him
in the house.

518
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,386
-Wow.
-Uh, yeah.

519
00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:11,156
How about candace?

520
00:23:11,158 --> 00:23:14,626
In the weeks
prior to her murder,

521
00:23:14,628 --> 00:23:18,362
You went out there to the house
and talked to her once.

522
00:23:18,364 --> 00:23:19,698
Do you remember that?

523
00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:22,934
I remember talking to dolores
about another burglary,

524
00:23:22,936 --> 00:23:25,704
And candi stuck her head
out of the door

525
00:23:25,706 --> 00:23:27,438
And was yelling
and screaming at me

526
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,375
To leave her brother alone
and some such thing.

527
00:23:30,377 --> 00:23:33,545
And all I told her was--I said,
"you just need to go inside.

528
00:23:33,547 --> 00:23:35,213
Stop yelling at me.

529
00:23:35,215 --> 00:23:36,980
This is not concerning you.
Just go inside."

530
00:23:36,982 --> 00:23:38,583
Abbondandolo:
Sergeant hall recalls

531
00:23:38,585 --> 00:23:41,652
An interaction with candace,
though the way he tells it,

532
00:23:41,654 --> 00:23:43,587
It doesn't sound much
like an altercation.

533
00:23:43,589 --> 00:23:46,590
Was there any ever bad blood
between candi and you

534
00:23:46,592 --> 00:23:49,793
Or dolores and you before that
or any kind of disputes?

535
00:23:49,795 --> 00:23:51,261
No, I didn't have any disputes.

536
00:23:51,263 --> 00:23:55,599
Do you know of any deputy
employed at the time

537
00:23:55,601 --> 00:24:00,404
That was supposedly
taking bribes or payoffs

538
00:24:00,406 --> 00:24:02,273
That was assigned
to the west end of the county?

539
00:24:02,275 --> 00:24:04,475
No. I've heard that rumor,

540
00:24:04,477 --> 00:24:06,477
And that's just
complete nonsense.

541
00:24:06,479 --> 00:24:10,814
Would anybody working for the
sheriff's office at that time

542
00:24:10,816 --> 00:24:15,452
Had a reason to murder candi
and then cover it up?

543
00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,355
No. Not at all.

544
00:24:17,357 --> 00:24:20,090
No. No.

545
00:24:20,092 --> 00:24:23,427
Sergeant hall's story
doesn't match the rumors,

546
00:24:23,429 --> 00:24:26,162
But the truth is, neither does
dolores's complaint.

547
00:24:26,164 --> 00:24:29,033
Because while it does state
that candace taunted him,

548
00:24:29,035 --> 00:24:30,168
It also makes the point

549
00:24:30,170 --> 00:24:32,503
That dolores didn't hear
any specific accusations.

550
00:24:32,505 --> 00:24:35,306
It's unclear where that idea
of drug money came from.

551
00:24:35,308 --> 00:24:36,640
But it's unsubstantiated,

552
00:24:36,642 --> 00:24:37,775
And at this point,

553
00:24:37,777 --> 00:24:38,977
I think we can consider

554
00:24:38,979 --> 00:24:40,445
This rumor debunked.

555
00:24:40,447 --> 00:24:44,682
♪♪♪

556
00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:51,454
Yeah, that'd be perfect.
I'm heading that way now.

557
00:24:51,456 --> 00:24:52,690
We don't have
a clear motive anymore

558
00:24:52,692 --> 00:24:54,258
From members
of the sheriff's department

559
00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:56,260
For killing candace or her dog.

560
00:24:56,262 --> 00:24:57,794
But there is one rumor
that we know

561
00:24:57,796 --> 00:25:00,064
Is partially based on the facts.

562
00:25:00,066 --> 00:25:03,134
Sergeant dodd hid evidence
in his personal storage unit.

563
00:25:03,136 --> 00:25:05,270
-Hey, you must be rick.
-Yeah.

564
00:25:05,272 --> 00:25:07,004
I'm abbey.
You already know him.

565
00:25:07,006 --> 00:25:08,338
-Rick, how you been?
-Good.

566
00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:09,740
Rick ratzlaff is the man

567
00:25:09,742 --> 00:25:11,475
Who purchased the contents
of that storage unit

568
00:25:11,477 --> 00:25:15,345
At an auction in 2016, 10 years
after candace's murder.

569
00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:18,148
We wanna know firsthand what
he saw when he opened it up.

570
00:25:18,150 --> 00:25:20,718
What can you tell us
about the storage unit?

571
00:25:23,255 --> 00:25:25,657
How you ended up with it,
what was in it.

572
00:25:25,659 --> 00:25:29,026
-Okay.
-What transpired after that?

573
00:26:05,464 --> 00:26:07,731
After dodd's storage unit
was discovered,

574
00:26:07,733 --> 00:26:09,599
The colorado bureau
of investigations

575
00:26:09,601 --> 00:26:11,401
Collected the items
and concluded

576
00:26:11,403 --> 00:26:13,403
They weren't evidence
in candace's case.

577
00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:15,573
The question is,
why was rick so convinced

578
00:26:15,575 --> 00:26:18,408
That those items were connected
to candace in the first place?

579
00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:21,411
After that evidence
was found in the storage unit,

580
00:26:21,413 --> 00:26:23,481
Had there ever been
any discussion

581
00:26:23,483 --> 00:26:25,216
Between you and dolores?

582
00:26:25,218 --> 00:26:29,086
What was the topic
of that conversation?

583
00:26:29,088 --> 00:26:32,089
Did it?
Actually murdered candace?

584
00:26:33,692 --> 00:26:35,292
Why would they do it?

585
00:26:35,294 --> 00:26:37,328
Why would the cops
kill somebody?

586
00:26:48,975 --> 00:26:50,374
Yeah.

587
00:26:56,782 --> 00:26:59,783
We know from the reports
and the necropsy

588
00:26:59,785 --> 00:27:02,719
Candace's dog wasn't tied
to a tree and beheaded.

589
00:27:02,721 --> 00:27:05,022
It was shot
with a .22-caliber gun.

590
00:27:05,024 --> 00:27:06,858
All right, be careful
on the road today, sir.

591
00:27:06,860 --> 00:27:08,325
Thanks again, rick.

592
00:27:08,327 --> 00:27:10,093
There's another contradiction
as well.

593
00:27:10,095 --> 00:27:11,594
According
to dolores's statement,

594
00:27:11,596 --> 00:27:13,530
The dog went missing days before

595
00:27:13,532 --> 00:27:16,067
Candace's confrontation
with sergeant hall.

596
00:27:16,069 --> 00:27:18,301
So it couldn't have bitten
an officer.

597
00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:20,137
Plus, when it was likely killed,

598
00:27:20,139 --> 00:27:21,671
No one at
the sheriff's department

599
00:27:21,673 --> 00:27:23,207
Would have had a motive
to harm it.

600
00:27:23,209 --> 00:27:24,340
Candace hadn't confronted
anyone yet.

601
00:27:24,342 --> 00:27:26,009
It looks like we can knock off

602
00:27:26,011 --> 00:27:27,711
This rumor as well.

603
00:27:27,713 --> 00:27:30,280
Abbondandolo: You have these
rumors that are just swirling.

604
00:27:30,282 --> 00:27:31,982
Irvine: Oh, yeah.
That's the first time

605
00:27:31,984 --> 00:27:33,418
I've ever heard that the dog
had its head cut off.

606
00:27:33,420 --> 00:27:34,485
Abbondandolo: It's all garbage.

607
00:27:34,487 --> 00:27:36,687
There's a thread of truth
in there,

608
00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:36,753
But there's a tapestry
of garbage.

609
00:27:36,955 --> 00:27:53,370
♪♪♪

610
00:27:53,372 --> 00:27:55,505
Siegler: We're confident
that we've eliminated

611
00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:57,140
Some of the rumors regarding

612
00:27:57,142 --> 00:27:58,775
The sheriff's department's
possible involvement

613
00:27:58,777 --> 00:28:00,111
In candace's murder.

614
00:28:00,113 --> 00:28:01,611
But like the podcasters,

615
00:28:01,613 --> 00:28:03,347
We still have a lot of questions

616
00:28:03,349 --> 00:28:05,016
About the items recovered from

617
00:28:05,018 --> 00:28:07,084
Sergeant dodd's storage unit.

618
00:28:07,086 --> 00:28:10,420
Why did he have
any of this stuff to begin with?

619
00:28:10,422 --> 00:28:14,524
Why was he placing these items
in a storage locker tucked away?

620
00:28:14,526 --> 00:28:17,160
There is absolutely no reason
for him doing what he did

621
00:28:17,162 --> 00:28:20,130
Unless it was
to cover his own ass.

622
00:28:20,132 --> 00:28:22,332
Cover-ups scare me
more than anything else

623
00:28:22,334 --> 00:28:25,235
Because of the power
that people like this have.

624
00:28:25,237 --> 00:28:28,439
I think one person
that we can't escape talking to

625
00:28:28,441 --> 00:28:30,608
Is the former sheriff,
jim beicker.

626
00:28:30,610 --> 00:28:32,443
Okay.

627
00:28:32,445 --> 00:28:35,479
He's the sheriff at the time
of the investigation

628
00:28:35,481 --> 00:28:37,547
With dodd and the storage shed.

629
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:40,151
I think we should sit down
with him and talk to him.

630
00:28:40,153 --> 00:28:41,486
Right, right, right, yes.

631
00:28:41,488 --> 00:28:42,652
Jim beicker was

632
00:28:42,654 --> 00:28:45,088
The fremont county sheriff
at the time.

633
00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:47,224
-Kelly. Nice to meet you, sir.
-Pleasure to meet you.

634
00:28:47,226 --> 00:28:49,092
He's agreed to come in
and try to explain

635
00:28:49,094 --> 00:28:51,461
Where those items came from
and why many people

636
00:28:51,463 --> 00:28:54,532
Believe they were evidence
in candace's murder.

637
00:28:54,534 --> 00:28:57,234
So the whole
dodd investigation--

638
00:28:57,236 --> 00:28:59,102
Give us the story
of what happened

639
00:28:59,104 --> 00:29:01,471
From the beginning to his
conviction and what you think.

640
00:29:01,473 --> 00:29:04,642
This is what happened.
I know what happened.

641
00:29:04,644 --> 00:29:07,644
When the manhunt
for jimmy hiltz ensued,

642
00:29:07,646 --> 00:29:09,480
Search teams were told,

643
00:29:09,482 --> 00:29:12,415
"if you come across something
while we're doing this research

644
00:29:12,417 --> 00:29:14,251
That you feel is important,

645
00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:16,253
You mark it,
call for an investigator."

646
00:29:16,255 --> 00:29:20,123
And we're talking about acres
of rough mountainous terrain.

647
00:29:20,125 --> 00:29:22,559
A lot of irrelevant things
were collected

648
00:29:22,561 --> 00:29:25,762
That should not have
actually ever been collected.

649
00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:28,433
Then there became
this pile of stuff

650
00:29:28,435 --> 00:29:30,367
That should have
been disposed of.

651
00:29:30,369 --> 00:29:33,436
It was not deemed evidence.

652
00:29:33,438 --> 00:29:36,006
And dodd was supposed to do it,
and he didn't do it.

653
00:29:36,008 --> 00:29:37,608
And then at some point,
he rented the storage unit,

654
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:41,545
And that's how ricky ratzlaff
became in possession

655
00:29:41,547 --> 00:29:44,614
Of the "so-called"
potential items of evidence.

656
00:29:44,616 --> 00:29:47,384
According to the former sheriff,
all of these items

657
00:29:47,386 --> 00:29:50,453
Were collected in the woods
after candace's murder,

658
00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:52,189
And they were
initially considered

659
00:29:52,191 --> 00:29:55,560
To be potential evidence
but later deemed to be trash.

660
00:29:55,562 --> 00:29:57,127
But that still doesn't explain

661
00:29:57,129 --> 00:29:59,630
Why dodd put those items
in his storage unit

662
00:29:59,632 --> 00:30:01,933
Or altered her case files.

663
00:30:01,935 --> 00:30:05,168
We're gonna need to talk to dodd
and ask him about that.

664
00:30:05,170 --> 00:30:09,339
What dodd did was stupid,
and it was out of laziness,

665
00:30:09,341 --> 00:30:13,510
But he did not intentionally
compromise this case.

666
00:30:13,512 --> 00:30:15,612
Or participate in a cover-up

667
00:30:15,614 --> 00:30:17,614
Because he was involved
in a conspiracy to kill candace.

668
00:30:17,616 --> 00:30:19,683
Absolutely not.
That is the most ludicrous thing

669
00:30:19,685 --> 00:30:21,117
That needs to be dispelled.

670
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:23,453
There was no corruption
at the sheriff's office.

671
00:30:23,455 --> 00:30:26,224
Can I say that we did
everything perfect every time?

672
00:30:26,226 --> 00:30:29,292
No. But no--
no law enforcement agency can.

673
00:30:29,294 --> 00:30:31,495
Okay. Wow.

674
00:30:38,138 --> 00:30:40,804
So former
lieutenant robert dodd

675
00:30:40,806 --> 00:30:44,608
Has agreed to pick up the phone
and talk to us, huh?

676
00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:47,844
I can still remember
the newspaper articles,

677
00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:54,651
The social media just blowing up
and basically crucifying him.

678
00:30:54,653 --> 00:30:56,020
We have some hard questions
to ask him.

679
00:30:56,022 --> 00:30:57,421
Perfect. Perfect.

680
00:30:57,423 --> 00:31:00,490
Robert dodd was convicted
of mishandling evidence

681
00:31:00,492 --> 00:31:03,360
And altering
candace's case reports.

682
00:31:03,362 --> 00:31:06,229
And while the evidence
in dodd's storage unit

683
00:31:06,231 --> 00:31:08,331
Was not related
to candace's case,

684
00:31:08,333 --> 00:31:10,166
The reports certainly were.

685
00:31:10,168 --> 00:31:12,703
[line ringing]

686
00:31:12,705 --> 00:31:14,605
<i> -Hello.</i>
-Hey, is this robert dodd?

687
00:31:14,607 --> 00:31:16,440
<i> Yes, it is.</i>

688
00:31:16,442 --> 00:31:18,375
Siegler:
It's time we speak to dodd,

689
00:31:18,377 --> 00:31:21,111
Who's never spoken publicly
about any of this.

690
00:31:21,113 --> 00:31:24,214
Mr. Dodd,
characterize how that evidence

691
00:31:24,216 --> 00:31:26,049
Got to be in your storage unit.

692
00:31:26,051 --> 00:31:27,418
<i> [chuckles]</i>

693
00:32:03,322 --> 00:32:05,088
Dodd's storage
matches the sheriff's,

694
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:06,557
But the real question is,

695
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:10,127
What was any of it even doing
in his personal storage unit?

696
00:32:25,444 --> 00:32:27,610
Can I ask you a little bit,
mr. Dodd,

697
00:32:27,612 --> 00:32:29,313
About the report itself?

698
00:32:43,528 --> 00:32:45,563
You added to it,
is that correct?

699
00:32:49,502 --> 00:32:51,067
Okay.

700
00:32:51,069 --> 00:32:53,537
Dodd's excuse is that
he's retroactively trying

701
00:32:53,539 --> 00:32:56,406
To document the items and
explain where they came from.

702
00:32:56,408 --> 00:32:58,209
It sounds like the only thing
he was trying to hide

703
00:32:58,211 --> 00:33:00,243
Was his sloppy work
eight years earlier.

704
00:33:00,245 --> 00:33:01,411
And if you think about it,

705
00:33:01,413 --> 00:33:03,680
If that evidence
really did implicate himself

706
00:33:03,682 --> 00:33:06,149
Or law enforcement, why wouldn't
he have destroyed it?

707
00:33:06,151 --> 00:33:08,419
If it was that important,
you'd think he'd make sure

708
00:33:08,421 --> 00:33:10,821
It didn't get auctioned off
to the public.

709
00:33:26,105 --> 00:33:28,571
Siegler:
Dodd's story makes sense.

710
00:33:28,573 --> 00:33:31,107
He screwed up,
and he's admitting it.

711
00:33:31,109 --> 00:33:34,043
But before we can eliminate
this rumor for good,

712
00:33:34,045 --> 00:33:36,080
We need to examine
these items ourselves.

713
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:41,117
The report states
that these items

714
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:43,086
Are not directly linked
to candace homicide,

715
00:33:43,088 --> 00:33:44,888
But this is too important
to get wrong.

716
00:33:44,890 --> 00:33:48,726
Okay, so pick out
one piece or box at a time.

717
00:33:48,728 --> 00:33:51,162
We'll see if it comes
into our world

718
00:33:51,164 --> 00:33:52,762
Of robert dodd's storage,

719
00:33:52,764 --> 00:33:54,798
Then we'll try to follow
the trail.

720
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,633
All right, so I have
a mexican-style blanket.

721
00:33:56,635 --> 00:33:58,102
That's in the mix.

722
00:33:58,104 --> 00:34:00,570
Now, we care about this
because once upon a time,

723
00:34:00,572 --> 00:34:02,405
Everybody said
this was the blanket

724
00:34:02,407 --> 00:34:05,642
That covered up candace, right?
-Supposedly, yeah.

725
00:34:05,644 --> 00:34:08,278
There was a blanket that was
recovered in the storage unit,

726
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,214
And now dolores says
that this is the blanket

727
00:34:10,216 --> 00:34:11,815
That candace's body was in.

728
00:34:11,817 --> 00:34:13,617
And what color is it?

729
00:34:13,619 --> 00:34:16,085
-This says pink and black.
-Okay.

730
00:34:16,087 --> 00:34:18,455
Not the same blanket.
Not green, right?

731
00:34:18,457 --> 00:34:21,091
Correct. It did not come
from the hiltz scene.

732
00:34:21,093 --> 00:34:23,627
Okay, put that one up.
We're through with that one.

733
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:25,963
-What's that one?
-Dirty rope.

734
00:34:25,965 --> 00:34:27,730
Once upon a time,
people were saying

735
00:34:27,732 --> 00:34:29,732
That this dirty rope
had blood on it, remember?

736
00:34:29,734 --> 00:34:32,603
And then it connected
back to jacks, the dog.

737
00:34:32,605 --> 00:34:34,705
The unit also contained
a bloody piece of rope.

738
00:34:34,707 --> 00:34:37,041
This may have been the one
that was used

739
00:34:37,043 --> 00:34:39,810
To tie jackson to the tree.

740
00:34:39,812 --> 00:34:42,211
I don't see any stains on this.

741
00:34:42,213 --> 00:34:44,247
Yeah. I don't see anything.

742
00:34:44,249 --> 00:34:47,084
Okay, so the red stains
are another exaggeration.

743
00:34:47,086 --> 00:34:49,119
We know these items
were all sent to cbi

744
00:34:49,121 --> 00:34:52,122
And came back negative
for blood.

745
00:34:52,124 --> 00:34:54,657
It seems like the only thing
that they are evidence of

746
00:34:54,659 --> 00:34:57,261
Is misinformation
and speculation.

747
00:34:57,263 --> 00:34:58,361
What's that one?

748
00:34:58,363 --> 00:35:01,332
So this is
one decorative ax.

749
00:35:01,334 --> 00:35:02,833
Okay, so that's the ax.

750
00:35:02,835 --> 00:35:07,537
Rumor and speculation was that
the ax had blood all over it.

751
00:35:07,539 --> 00:35:09,439
And that's the ax
that cut the head off the dog.

752
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:16,547
The hatchet was recovered
in the storage unit,

753
00:35:16,549 --> 00:35:19,549
And dolores says that it was
a weapon that was used

754
00:35:19,551 --> 00:35:21,351
To kill the family dog.

755
00:35:21,353 --> 00:35:23,686
Yeah, and I'm gonna go ahead
and say no on that.

756
00:35:23,688 --> 00:35:26,323
I don't think you can cut
anything with that.

757
00:35:26,325 --> 00:35:28,325
Maybe that's
why they called it decorative...

758
00:35:28,327 --> 00:35:30,361
-Mm-hmm.
-...Other than useful.

759
00:35:30,363 --> 00:35:33,496
The objects reported
in the media are here,

760
00:35:33,498 --> 00:35:37,100
But the incriminating details
are all wrong.

761
00:35:37,102 --> 00:35:38,636
It's like dolores and the media

762
00:35:38,638 --> 00:35:41,171
Heard the contents
of the storage unit

763
00:35:41,173 --> 00:35:44,140
And then jumped to make
all the speculation,

764
00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:45,776
Connecting it up
to candace's case.

765
00:35:45,778 --> 00:35:48,545
Since candace
wasn't killed with a hatchet,

766
00:35:48,547 --> 00:35:50,713
It must have been used
on her dog, right?

767
00:35:50,715 --> 00:35:53,616
No, the dog was shot.
It's all wrong.

768
00:35:53,618 --> 00:35:55,653
-That's it, right?
-Yeah, that's it.

769
00:35:55,655 --> 00:35:58,621
So all the rumors
we've addressed on the board

770
00:35:58,623 --> 00:36:01,624
And turned 'em into nothing.

771
00:36:01,626 --> 00:36:03,226
All right, man. Great.

772
00:36:03,228 --> 00:36:04,561
Thank you for bringing
all that down here.

773
00:36:04,563 --> 00:36:07,130
I think it's time
that we eliminate the rumor

774
00:36:07,132 --> 00:36:09,266
That sergeant dodd
was hiding evidence

775
00:36:09,268 --> 00:36:11,769
In candace's case
once and for all.

776
00:36:11,771 --> 00:36:11,834
And it's time we shift our focus
back on jimmy hiltz.

777
00:36:12,036 --> 00:36:26,282
♪♪♪

778
00:36:26,284 --> 00:36:29,052
All right. So y'all gonna go hit
cañon city people?

779
00:36:29,054 --> 00:36:30,187
-Yep.
-Okay.

780
00:36:30,189 --> 00:36:32,122
And we'll try to call
everybody we can.

781
00:36:32,124 --> 00:36:34,557
-Good deal.
-Okay. Y'all have good luck.

782
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:36,494
Other than the theory
that candace hiltz

783
00:36:36,496 --> 00:36:40,197
Was shot my multiple assailants,
we've cleared up the rumor

784
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:41,765
Suggesting
the sheriff's department

785
00:36:41,767 --> 00:36:43,299
Was responsible for her death.

786
00:36:43,301 --> 00:36:45,235
And we've got
our ballistics expert

787
00:36:45,237 --> 00:36:46,636
Examining that theory.

788
00:36:46,638 --> 00:36:49,572
For now, we're focused on our
other suspect, jimmy hiltz.

789
00:36:49,574 --> 00:36:51,208
Jessica hiltz.

790
00:36:53,178 --> 00:36:55,211
-She's another ex-wife, right?
-Yeah.

791
00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:57,247
According to the rumors,

792
00:36:57,249 --> 00:37:00,583
Jimmy hiltz
was mentally unstable,

793
00:37:00,585 --> 00:37:03,087
But he wasn't violent, and he
couldn't have killed candace.

794
00:37:03,089 --> 00:37:05,522
Dolores has made it clear
over the years

795
00:37:05,524 --> 00:37:08,591
That james was incapable
of being around other people.

796
00:37:08,593 --> 00:37:11,195
He didn't have any history
of violence whatsoever.

797
00:37:11,197 --> 00:37:14,532
The family's like,
"he's not a violent individual.

798
00:37:14,534 --> 00:37:16,065
He couldn't have done this."

799
00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:18,536
[line ringing]

800
00:37:18,538 --> 00:37:20,070
Is this jessica hiltz?

801
00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:21,271
<i> Yeah?</i>

802
00:37:21,273 --> 00:37:23,105
Hi. My name
is peter rasmussen,

803
00:37:23,107 --> 00:37:25,775
And I'm a detective up here
in fremont county, colorado.

804
00:37:25,777 --> 00:37:28,345
Siegler: At the time,
jimmy had recently separated

805
00:37:28,347 --> 00:37:29,914
From his ex-wife

806
00:37:29,916 --> 00:37:32,582
And was living in the hills
behind candace's home.

807
00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:35,152
We're hoping that she might
be able to tell us

808
00:37:35,154 --> 00:37:37,287
If he was as harmless
as many believed.

809
00:37:37,289 --> 00:37:40,991
Did you ever speak to jimmy
about what happened to candace?

810
00:37:45,096 --> 00:37:48,265
Okay. What can you
tell me about him?

811
00:37:52,137 --> 00:37:54,738
Okay.

812
00:38:05,952 --> 00:38:07,084
Okay.

813
00:38:09,387 --> 00:38:12,523
Okay. So when you say
that he had kind of scared you,

814
00:38:12,525 --> 00:38:14,324
Tell me about that a little bit.

815
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:22,733
Okay.

816
00:38:27,672 --> 00:38:28,672
Okay.

817
00:38:32,677 --> 00:38:34,043
Sure.

818
00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:42,118
When did that change happen?

819
00:38:46,691 --> 00:38:48,691
Okay.

820
00:39:02,774 --> 00:39:03,774
Okay.

821
00:39:07,546 --> 00:39:08,711
Okay.

822
00:39:13,152 --> 00:39:15,685
What was it
that you though he was gonna do?

823
00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:30,567
Okay.

824
00:39:43,615 --> 00:39:46,349
Jimmy's history
of psychological issues

825
00:39:46,351 --> 00:39:47,750
Is pretty well known.

826
00:39:47,752 --> 00:39:51,220
But if he was also battling
substance abuse,

827
00:39:51,222 --> 00:39:54,692
We can only imagine how much
that would have exacerbated

828
00:39:54,694 --> 00:39:57,227
His mental
and emotional instability.

829
00:39:57,229 --> 00:40:01,164
♪♪♪

830
00:40:01,166 --> 00:40:04,634
So jesse weaver has been
in custody for a while.

831
00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:06,736
He's currently awaiting
his sentencing, so...

832
00:40:06,738 --> 00:40:08,771
I think jesse's important
for us to talk to.

833
00:40:08,773 --> 00:40:11,207
I mean, he was
candace's boyfriend.

834
00:40:11,209 --> 00:40:12,375
Yeah.

835
00:40:12,377 --> 00:40:14,243
Another person who should
be able to tell us a lot

836
00:40:14,245 --> 00:40:15,579
About jimmy's behavior

837
00:40:15,581 --> 00:40:18,214
Is candace's boyfriend
and the father of her child--

838
00:40:18,216 --> 00:40:19,149
Jesse weaver.

839
00:40:19,151 --> 00:40:21,051
-Hey, jesse.
-How you doing?

840
00:40:21,053 --> 00:40:22,519
Derek irvine.
I'm the sheriff here.

841
00:40:22,521 --> 00:40:23,453
All right.

842
00:40:23,455 --> 00:40:24,688
Jesse was cleared years ago

843
00:40:24,690 --> 00:40:26,256
As a suspect
in candace's murder,

844
00:40:26,258 --> 00:40:28,726
And he's currently in custody
on unrelated charges.

845
00:40:28,728 --> 00:40:30,794
Describe your relationship
with candi.

846
00:40:35,099 --> 00:40:37,333
I'm very sorry for your loss.

847
00:40:38,903 --> 00:40:39,737
I bet.

848
00:40:42,140 --> 00:40:43,773
Could you describe to me
what happened

849
00:40:43,775 --> 00:40:47,310
On that very day
that candi was found dead?

850
00:41:14,706 --> 00:41:17,240
So did candi usually keep
the door locked?

851
00:41:53,279 --> 00:41:55,312
Jesse is painting a much
different picture of jimmy

852
00:41:55,314 --> 00:41:57,146
Than candace's mother did.

853
00:41:57,148 --> 00:41:59,549
According to him,
they were so scared of jimmy,

854
00:41:59,551 --> 00:42:01,418
They locked him
out of the house.

855
00:42:01,420 --> 00:42:03,653
He also confirmed
that candace did blame jimmy

856
00:42:03,655 --> 00:42:05,355
For the disappearance
of their dog.

857
00:42:35,253 --> 00:42:38,421
How much before candace's death
did jimmy stab you?

858
00:42:40,326 --> 00:42:41,657
The morning before.

859
00:42:41,659 --> 00:42:43,759
According to jesse,
jimmy tried to stab him

860
00:42:43,761 --> 00:42:45,328
Just the day
before candace's murder.

861
00:42:45,330 --> 00:42:46,862
It's clear
we can eliminate the rumor

862
00:42:46,864 --> 00:42:49,732
That jimmy wasn't violent,
and it sounds like he was

863
00:42:49,734 --> 00:42:52,435
Growing more and more violent
by the day.

864
00:42:52,437 --> 00:42:56,807
Abbondandolo: Candace was having
to hit jimmy in the head

865
00:42:56,809 --> 00:42:59,609
With a skillet
to get him off of nick.

866
00:42:59,611 --> 00:43:03,079
Candace wasn't alone
in her attempts to save nick.

867
00:43:03,081 --> 00:43:04,914
Jacks, the dog,
bit him on the butt.

868
00:43:04,916 --> 00:43:09,619
Ohh. Which is why he ends up
shooting the dog, right?

869
00:43:09,621 --> 00:43:11,087
Yeah.

870
00:43:11,089 --> 00:43:14,124
So, there's, like, this
very, very escalating--

871
00:43:14,126 --> 00:43:15,491
He's getting worse by the day,

872
00:43:15,493 --> 00:43:17,193
And the family
sure as hell knows it,

873
00:43:17,195 --> 00:43:18,729
And candace is
the only one doing anything.

874
00:43:18,731 --> 00:43:19,563
-Mm-hmm.
-Right. Yeah.

875
00:43:19,565 --> 00:43:19,629
Siegler: That's beautiful.

876
00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:32,041
♪♪♪

877
00:43:32,043 --> 00:43:38,114
So, our murder date
is August 15, 2006.

878
00:43:38,116 --> 00:43:39,615
"candace's murder."

879
00:43:39,617 --> 00:43:41,283
We've just learned

880
00:43:41,285 --> 00:43:43,787
That in the days
before candace hiltz's murder,

881
00:43:43,789 --> 00:43:47,958
Her brother, jimmy, was becoming
increasingly violent,

882
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,726
Had been locked out of the home,

883
00:43:49,728 --> 00:43:52,795
And was suspected
of harming the family dog.

884
00:43:52,797 --> 00:43:55,064
According to the podcast rumors,

885
00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:57,967
Jimmy did not have access
to any firearms.

886
00:43:57,969 --> 00:44:00,669
Candace's autopsy showed
that she had been shot

887
00:44:00,671 --> 00:44:03,673
With a shotgun,
a medium-caliber handgun,

888
00:44:03,675 --> 00:44:05,441
And a small-caliber handgun.

889
00:44:05,443 --> 00:44:08,745
Jimmy hiltz didn't own any
handguns or guns of any kind.

890
00:44:08,747 --> 00:44:11,280
Where is he coming up
with these three guns?

891
00:44:11,282 --> 00:44:12,682
There's a lot of questions here.

892
00:44:12,684 --> 00:44:16,619
Jimmy was living in the hills
and had few possessions.

893
00:44:16,621 --> 00:44:19,623
But what we know
that the podcasts don't

894
00:44:19,625 --> 00:44:23,492
Is that he was suspected
of burglarizing nearby homes

895
00:44:23,494 --> 00:44:26,996
For supplies,
including guns and ammunition.

896
00:44:26,998 --> 00:44:29,331
We've asked detective sanger
to come in

897
00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:31,634
And help us review
all the incidents reports

898
00:44:31,636 --> 00:44:34,671
That might have any connection
to candace's murder.

899
00:44:34,673 --> 00:44:37,374
Okay, so there's
a vacation home out there

900
00:44:37,376 --> 00:44:41,110
That has been broken into,
in August, before our murder.

901
00:44:41,112 --> 00:44:45,314
According to the report,
the front window is broken out.

902
00:44:45,316 --> 00:44:47,149
Give me the little pieces
of evidence

903
00:44:47,151 --> 00:44:50,287
That we realize
are taken in this burglary.

904
00:44:50,289 --> 00:44:55,424
A .410 h&r topper shotgun.

905
00:44:55,426 --> 00:44:59,129
And we like this
because she's shot with a .410.

906
00:44:59,131 --> 00:45:00,029
Correct.

907
00:45:00,031 --> 00:45:01,564
The most important burglary

908
00:45:01,566 --> 00:45:04,100
Was where
a .410 shotgun was stolen--

909
00:45:04,102 --> 00:45:07,203
The same caliber as the one
that shot candace in the face.

910
00:45:07,205 --> 00:45:08,737
It was taken from a home

911
00:45:08,739 --> 00:45:11,207
Where the burglar drank
from a whiskey bottle.

912
00:45:11,209 --> 00:45:13,409
Y'all did dna test
the whiskey bottle.

913
00:45:13,411 --> 00:45:15,745
-And it comes back to be jimmy.
-That is correct.

914
00:45:15,747 --> 00:45:19,449
Even more, that .410
was later recovered

915
00:45:19,451 --> 00:45:22,551
From the woods, seeming like
it was chopped up with an ax,

916
00:45:22,553 --> 00:45:24,086
Which sounds a whole lot

917
00:45:24,088 --> 00:45:26,388
Like somebody was trying
to destroy evidence.

918
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:29,391
How far is this vacation home
from candace's?

919
00:45:29,393 --> 00:45:30,626
.3 miles.

920
00:45:30,628 --> 00:45:32,328
-So you can walk it.
-Yep.

921
00:45:32,330 --> 00:45:34,297
And we got two more.

922
00:45:34,299 --> 00:45:36,232
The cabin shows signs
of forced entry.

923
00:45:36,234 --> 00:45:39,301
What does the victim
say is taken?

924
00:45:39,303 --> 00:45:41,171
A pair of work gloves,
two hatches,

925
00:45:41,173 --> 00:45:42,705
And a black handle bowie knife.

926
00:45:42,707 --> 00:45:44,573
And these were the items
that were found

927
00:45:44,575 --> 00:45:49,445
In the drawstring bag with jimmy
when he was taken into custody.

928
00:45:49,447 --> 00:45:51,180
How far away is that?

929
00:45:51,182 --> 00:45:55,117
Probably between
a mile and a half to 2.

930
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:57,353
And I think the hatchet
kind of comes into play

931
00:45:57,355 --> 00:45:59,322
Because the shotgun
that was taken

932
00:45:59,324 --> 00:46:02,558
Was chopped up with the ax.
-Okay.

933
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,327
And the only other burglary
that we have is a small cabin.

934
00:46:05,329 --> 00:46:07,196
From there,

935
00:46:07,198 --> 00:46:11,267
Approximately 200 .22-caliber
long rifle bullets were stolen.

936
00:46:11,269 --> 00:46:14,669
We don't know if jimmy
had access to a .22 pistol,

937
00:46:14,671 --> 00:46:18,340
But he allegedly stole
200 bullets for one.

938
00:46:18,342 --> 00:46:21,143
How far a distance
is this from candace?

939
00:46:21,145 --> 00:46:24,046
Approximately 2 miles.

940
00:46:24,048 --> 00:46:27,817
There were five .22 bullets
recovered from candace's head,

941
00:46:27,819 --> 00:46:29,252
And three in her dog.

942
00:46:29,254 --> 00:46:30,954
We've sent them off
for comparison

943
00:46:30,956 --> 00:46:32,956
To see if they were fired
from the same weapon.

944
00:46:32,958 --> 00:46:35,991
But in any case,
we can eliminate the rumor

945
00:46:35,993 --> 00:46:38,794
That jimmy did not have access
to firearms.

946
00:46:38,796 --> 00:46:41,730
-That's the last burglary.
-Correct.

947
00:46:41,732 --> 00:46:45,000
Okay, the supplement says,
"on September the 8th,

948
00:46:45,002 --> 00:46:46,202
I was notified via radio

949
00:46:46,204 --> 00:46:49,171
On significant items
under a tree."

950
00:46:49,173 --> 00:46:51,340
-Is this--is this you?
-That's me.

951
00:46:51,342 --> 00:46:53,108
In addition to the burglaries,

952
00:46:53,110 --> 00:46:55,711
There was a piece of evidence
recovered in the area

953
00:46:55,713 --> 00:46:57,714
That could be connected
to candace's murder.

954
00:46:57,716 --> 00:47:01,483
So on September the 8th,
what happens when you get here?

955
00:47:01,485 --> 00:47:03,519
There's a flashlight
up in the tree.

956
00:47:03,521 --> 00:47:06,056
Okay, what else
did y'all see out there?

957
00:47:06,058 --> 00:47:08,224
We found what appeared to be
some type of clothing.

958
00:47:08,226 --> 00:47:10,260
Kind of like a shirt

959
00:47:10,262 --> 00:47:12,095
And a white towel.

960
00:47:12,097 --> 00:47:14,397
There appeared to be
dried blood on it

961
00:47:14,399 --> 00:47:17,133
And then also
part of a bone fragment.

962
00:47:17,135 --> 00:47:20,436
How far is this location
from the house?

963
00:47:20,438 --> 00:47:21,938
Quarter mile at the most.

964
00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:23,538
-Oh, it's that close?
-Yeah.

965
00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:26,008
This mysterious bone fragment
has been sitting in evidence

966
00:47:26,010 --> 00:47:27,409
For 15 years.

967
00:47:27,411 --> 00:47:31,148
So we have sent it off
to our dna lab for analysis.

968
00:47:31,150 --> 00:47:34,250
If it matches candace's dna,

969
00:47:34,252 --> 00:47:35,652
That would be
a huge piece of evidence,

970
00:47:35,654 --> 00:47:38,554
And jimmy may have discarded it
in the same woods

971
00:47:38,556 --> 00:47:41,557
Where he was living
and burglarizing homes.

972
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:45,094
♪♪♪

973
00:47:45,096 --> 00:47:47,297
Okay, so we're
gonna call serological

974
00:47:47,299 --> 00:47:49,865
In richmond, california.

975
00:47:49,867 --> 00:47:52,101
[line rings]

976
00:47:52,103 --> 00:47:53,469
<i> Hello. This is phillip.</i>

977
00:47:53,471 --> 00:47:54,671
This is undersheriff irvine

978
00:47:54,673 --> 00:47:56,572
With the fremont county
sheriff's office.

979
00:47:56,574 --> 00:47:59,275
What can you tell us about
your findings on this?

980
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:30,205
Siegler:
That's a pretty good number.

981
00:48:30,207 --> 00:48:31,341
That's what we wanted to hear.

982
00:48:31,343 --> 00:48:33,676
How many zeros
are in octillion, sir?

983
00:48:35,279 --> 00:48:36,712
Nice!

984
00:48:36,714 --> 00:48:38,348
You can't argue with 27 zeros.

985
00:48:38,350 --> 00:48:40,250
<i> -Have a great day.</i>
-You, too.

986
00:48:40,252 --> 00:48:43,220
Siegler: That bone fragment
came from candace hiltz,

987
00:48:43,222 --> 00:48:47,224
And it was found in the woods
that jimmy hiltz called home.

988
00:48:47,226 --> 00:48:50,626
A piece of her skull
is out there in the woods.

989
00:48:50,628 --> 00:48:52,596
The squirrels
didn't take it there.

990
00:48:52,598 --> 00:48:54,330
The dog didn't take it there.

991
00:48:54,332 --> 00:48:56,532
Her mama sure as hell
didn't take it there.

992
00:48:56,534 --> 00:48:58,334
And it's in a towel,
so that means

993
00:48:58,336 --> 00:49:00,769
Somebody wiped it off of them...
-And it transferred.

994
00:49:00,771 --> 00:49:03,106
That's right,
and that's how it got there.

995
00:49:03,108 --> 00:49:05,175
There's only one person
that is known

996
00:49:05,177 --> 00:49:07,576
To the police department
and to the community that is

997
00:49:07,578 --> 00:49:07,643
Doing what jimmy was doing.
-Exactly.

998
00:49:07,844 --> 00:49:21,591
♪♪♪

999
00:49:21,593 --> 00:49:23,659
I spent a lot of time
looking at crime scene pictures,

1000
00:49:23,661 --> 00:49:25,627
Trying to put this together
in my head.

1001
00:49:25,629 --> 00:49:28,197
And I've got a lot of questions,
and I'm really hoping that

1002
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:31,935
The layout is gonna help us
answer those questions.

1003
00:49:31,937 --> 00:49:34,403
I just wanna make sure that
if we only have one shooter,

1004
00:49:34,405 --> 00:49:36,106
How in the hell do we explain

1005
00:49:36,108 --> 00:49:38,041
How there's three
different types of ammunition

1006
00:49:38,043 --> 00:49:39,675
That end up in candace's body?

1007
00:49:39,677 --> 00:49:41,977
It's finally time
to examine the crime scene

1008
00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:45,514
And address the last major rumor
in candace hiltz's homicide--

1009
00:49:45,516 --> 00:49:47,483
That she was shot
with three guns.

1010
00:49:47,485 --> 00:49:50,085
So her murder must have been
committed by multiple shooters.

1011
00:49:50,087 --> 00:49:53,389
The fact that multiple guns
were used

1012
00:49:53,391 --> 00:49:57,693
Leads me to believe that police
could've been involved in this.

1013
00:49:57,695 --> 00:50:01,064
She was shot by multiple guns.
To me, the evidence pointed

1014
00:50:01,066 --> 00:50:03,132
To this was done
by multiple people.

1015
00:50:03,134 --> 00:50:06,235
So the question is, if jimmy
really did kill his sister,

1016
00:50:06,237 --> 00:50:07,570
How can we explain

1017
00:50:07,572 --> 00:50:09,605
All the different types
of ammunition in her body?

1018
00:50:09,607 --> 00:50:11,674
Hey, chris.
You meet everybody already?

1019
00:50:11,676 --> 00:50:13,310
-Yes, I did.
-You're gonna have

1020
00:50:13,312 --> 00:50:15,511
All the answers, right?
-I hope so.

1021
00:50:15,513 --> 00:50:17,379
This is probably the most
sort of complicated case

1022
00:50:17,381 --> 00:50:19,381
That we brought you on
to talk about, don't you think?

1023
00:50:19,383 --> 00:50:20,682
Yes, ma'am.
Yes, ma'am. Absolutely.

1024
00:50:20,684 --> 00:50:22,285
We have it set up inside.

1025
00:50:22,287 --> 00:50:24,420
The dimensions are correct.

1026
00:50:24,422 --> 00:50:26,589
So I think it'll give you
a better understanding

1027
00:50:26,591 --> 00:50:29,025
Of what I believe occurred
during the incident.

1028
00:50:29,027 --> 00:50:30,493
You wanna go inside
and check it out?

1029
00:50:30,495 --> 00:50:32,228
Yeah. Let's go ahead
and step inside.

1030
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:34,263
Abbondandolo: Chris robinson has
been busy testing and analyzing

1031
00:50:34,265 --> 00:50:35,764
All of the evidence.

1032
00:50:35,766 --> 00:50:37,399
This is great.

1033
00:50:37,401 --> 00:50:39,401
I can't wait to hear
what chris has to say.

1034
00:50:39,403 --> 00:50:42,238
The key thing
I want y'all to understand--

1035
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,608
There's some confusion
about there's a .410,

1036
00:50:45,610 --> 00:50:50,013
And then there's a .45 colt,
and then there's a .22.

1037
00:50:50,015 --> 00:50:53,249
Some people are thinking there
has to be three guns here. No.

1038
00:50:53,251 --> 00:50:56,519
The .45 colt shot a shell

1039
00:50:56,521 --> 00:50:59,488
That shot her in the chest...
-Shot her.

1040
00:50:59,490 --> 00:51:01,490
...And then
the .410 wadding and pellets

1041
00:51:01,492 --> 00:51:02,792
That were found in her face

1042
00:51:02,794 --> 00:51:05,394
Can be found
in the same shotgun.

1043
00:51:05,396 --> 00:51:08,530
Just one gun
firing two different cartridges.

1044
00:51:08,532 --> 00:51:10,699
They're different calibers,

1045
00:51:10,701 --> 00:51:13,335
But they can be fired
in the same weapon.

1046
00:51:13,337 --> 00:51:17,239
That weapon only holds
one round in it at a time.

1047
00:51:17,241 --> 00:51:19,508
You fire the first shot,
and then put

1048
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:21,643
Another live round in it
so it'll function again.

1049
00:51:21,645 --> 00:51:24,279
So I think if we look at jimmy
as being the suspect,

1050
00:51:24,281 --> 00:51:25,714
And we know he's done
these burglaries where

1051
00:51:25,716 --> 00:51:29,618
He literally went shopping in
all of these people's cabins--

1052
00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:31,119
It's just whatever he grabs--

1053
00:51:31,121 --> 00:51:34,290
And that's what he's using
in terms of ammunition.

1054
00:51:34,292 --> 00:51:37,125
We know jimmy's dna
was found at a burglary

1055
00:51:37,127 --> 00:51:39,061
Where a .410 shotgun was stolen.

1056
00:51:39,063 --> 00:51:41,398
And now we've learned that
that weapon is unique.

1057
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,465
It can also fire the .45 round

1058
00:51:43,467 --> 00:51:45,334
That was found
in candace's chest.

1059
00:51:45,336 --> 00:51:47,203
So it wasn't three guns.
It was two--

1060
00:51:47,205 --> 00:51:49,672
A .410 shotgun
and a .22-caliber pistol.

1061
00:51:49,674 --> 00:51:52,574
I've created a copy of my report
that I generated

1062
00:51:52,576 --> 00:51:54,810
When I reviewed the evidence.

1063
00:51:54,812 --> 00:51:56,845
As you can see,

1064
00:51:56,847 --> 00:51:59,548
I matched the five bullets
from her head.

1065
00:51:59,550 --> 00:52:02,185
All of those came
from the same weapon.

1066
00:52:02,187 --> 00:52:04,420
And if you look
at the bullet from the dog,

1067
00:52:04,422 --> 00:52:07,690
You can see that it has
the same rifling measurements.

1068
00:52:07,692 --> 00:52:10,092
It has the same
landing groove structure.

1069
00:52:10,094 --> 00:52:11,727
I believe that the bullet
from the dog

1070
00:52:11,729 --> 00:52:15,197
Came from the same gun
that was used to kill her.

1071
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:18,233
-That right there is huge.
-If that's the case,

1072
00:52:18,235 --> 00:52:21,870
That directly links
the dog to the murder.

1073
00:52:21,872 --> 00:52:25,507
The fact that the same gun was
used to kill candace and her dog

1074
00:52:25,509 --> 00:52:27,376
Supports our theory
about jimmy--

1075
00:52:27,378 --> 00:52:29,312
That he shot and killed the dog,

1076
00:52:29,314 --> 00:52:31,448
Was confronted by candace
about it,

1077
00:52:31,450 --> 00:52:33,782
And days later
turned that same gun

1078
00:52:33,784 --> 00:52:37,152
And that stolen shotgun on her
in a fit of rage.

1079
00:52:37,154 --> 00:52:41,324
So the first two would be
with a .410/.45.

1080
00:52:41,326 --> 00:52:44,093
One to the face,
one to the chest.

1081
00:52:44,095 --> 00:52:46,328
Now she has to be turned over

1082
00:52:46,330 --> 00:52:49,398
Because all five shots
go into the head,

1083
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,467
Ending up in the right sinus
area toward the base there.

1084
00:52:52,469 --> 00:52:54,336
What are you thinking?

1085
00:52:54,338 --> 00:52:58,007
So there's no point
in turning her over unless--

1086
00:52:58,009 --> 00:53:01,478
If you bring a blanket
or a comforter in here,

1087
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,813
The easiest way to get her on it
is roll her over.

1088
00:53:03,815 --> 00:53:05,281
-Right?
-Okay.

1089
00:53:05,283 --> 00:53:07,816
So you roll her over
onto the blanket...

1090
00:53:07,818 --> 00:53:10,286
-Okay.
-...To where she's faced down.

1091
00:53:10,288 --> 00:53:12,621
-But not dead.
-But not dead.

1092
00:53:12,623 --> 00:53:14,723
So she's still moaning
and in pain,

1093
00:53:14,725 --> 00:53:17,325
Which justifies the five more.
-To just kinda finish her off.

1094
00:53:17,327 --> 00:53:20,663
You're gonna come over here
and go pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

1095
00:53:20,665 --> 00:53:23,565
Her bone fragment
that we're linking to his camp,

1096
00:53:23,567 --> 00:53:25,567
That bone piece
came from her head.

1097
00:53:25,569 --> 00:53:28,137
So that had to get
on him or his stuff

1098
00:53:28,139 --> 00:53:30,539
As he's dragging her...
-Or as he's rolling her up.

1099
00:53:30,541 --> 00:53:32,741
-'cause he's rolling her up.
-He's rolling her up.

1100
00:53:32,743 --> 00:53:36,211
Based on pellet patterns
and stippling on candace's body,

1101
00:53:36,213 --> 00:53:39,181
We know the first shot was taken
approximately 18 feet away

1102
00:53:39,183 --> 00:53:41,583
And the rest
were in close range.

1103
00:53:41,585 --> 00:53:43,520
Interestingly,
the door of the home

1104
00:53:43,522 --> 00:53:46,789
Was about 18 feet away
from where candace's body fell.

1105
00:53:46,791 --> 00:53:49,158
The killer fired
as soon as they stepped inside.

1106
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,127
Okay, so here she is. She's over
here cooking, we think.

1107
00:53:52,129 --> 00:53:53,695
So he comes in the door.

1108
00:53:53,697 --> 00:53:56,065
I start making
some kind of racket.

1109
00:53:56,067 --> 00:53:59,269
She begins to come back
toward me. A little bit closer.

1110
00:53:59,271 --> 00:54:00,769
And then I shoot her
the first time...

1111
00:54:00,771 --> 00:54:02,838
-[bang]
-...With the .410 cartridge

1112
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,474
Into her face.
And she's gonna fall back.

1113
00:54:05,476 --> 00:54:08,543
I take a .45 colt cartridge
from my pocket.

1114
00:54:08,545 --> 00:54:10,412
I place back in the chamber.

1115
00:54:10,414 --> 00:54:12,347
I cock it the second time.

1116
00:54:12,349 --> 00:54:15,351
And now I place the muzzle about
an inch to an inch and a half

1117
00:54:15,353 --> 00:54:18,253
Off the chest, and then
when I shoot her hand...

1118
00:54:18,255 --> 00:54:20,222
[bang]

1119
00:54:20,224 --> 00:54:23,625
This is a perpendicular shot
straight to the chest.

1120
00:54:23,627 --> 00:54:26,595
Now I'm gonna go to the bedroom
to go get the blanket.

1121
00:54:26,597 --> 00:54:29,699
So now I roll you over
onto the blanket.

1122
00:54:29,701 --> 00:54:32,167
-Got to roll.
-Okay.

1123
00:54:32,169 --> 00:54:35,137
You're still making noise.
You're gurgling.

1124
00:54:35,139 --> 00:54:37,606
So now he wants to make sure
he's finished the job.

1125
00:54:37,608 --> 00:54:39,641
So now I take out the .22,

1126
00:54:39,643 --> 00:54:42,111
And I shoot you
five more times in the head.

1127
00:54:42,113 --> 00:54:44,680
One, two, three, four, five.

1128
00:54:44,682 --> 00:54:46,581
[bang]

1129
00:54:46,583 --> 00:54:49,051
Now I'll have to come down here.

1130
00:54:51,456 --> 00:54:54,656
Then I'll have to pull her
all the way down the hallway.

1131
00:54:56,627 --> 00:54:58,327
And at this point
is where I have to

1132
00:54:58,329 --> 00:55:01,062
Get her as close to the bed
as possible,

1133
00:55:01,064 --> 00:55:04,600
And then I have to manipulate
her all the way under the bed.

1134
00:55:04,602 --> 00:55:07,403
Moving candace's body
was a bizarre decision.

1135
00:55:07,405 --> 00:55:08,871
With the amount of blood
at the scene

1136
00:55:08,873 --> 00:55:10,739
And the crying baby
just feet away,

1137
00:55:10,741 --> 00:55:12,341
How could anyone believe
the body would be hidden

1138
00:55:12,343 --> 00:55:13,709
For very long?

1139
00:55:13,711 --> 00:55:15,612
Then, again,
if we're considering jimmy,

1140
00:55:15,614 --> 00:55:17,813
Who knows what can be going on
in his head?

1141
00:55:17,815 --> 00:55:20,283
If you're gonna have
a law enforcement official

1142
00:55:20,285 --> 00:55:22,617
That's gonna target somebody
to murder them,

1143
00:55:22,619 --> 00:55:26,021
It's gonna be bang,
and they're gone.

1144
00:55:26,023 --> 00:55:27,355
Yes. Exactly.

1145
00:55:27,357 --> 00:55:29,424
They're not gonna go
to the trouble of hiding a body.

1146
00:55:29,426 --> 00:55:32,027
Those behaviors are consistent
with a messy crook.

1147
00:55:32,029 --> 00:55:35,530
This is completely consistent
with what our suspect would do.

1148
00:55:35,532 --> 00:55:39,167
And because of you, cleared it
up... [whispers] beautifully.

1149
00:55:39,169 --> 00:55:40,502
Thanks to chris,

1150
00:55:40,504 --> 00:55:43,706
We can finally eliminate
the theory

1151
00:55:43,708 --> 00:55:46,308
That candace
could have only been killed

1152
00:55:46,310 --> 00:55:47,510
By multiple shooters.

1153
00:55:47,512 --> 00:55:50,579
What we did here today
clears up a lot of questions.

1154
00:55:50,581 --> 00:55:52,414
And rumors and allegations
and hearsay.

1155
00:55:52,483 --> 00:55:58,537
-The trifecta.
-Let's roll.

1156
00:55:58,538 --> 00:56:04,592
This case
was really, really hard and sad,

1157
00:56:04,595 --> 00:56:07,463
And I just feel so horrible
for this whole family

1158
00:56:07,465 --> 00:56:10,298
Who has been going through
the wringer for so many years.

1159
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:11,367
But I think
there's enough nuggets

1160
00:56:11,369 --> 00:56:15,138
That, if investigated correctly,

1161
00:56:15,140 --> 00:56:18,407
That I think that this family
can get justice.

1162
00:56:18,409 --> 00:56:21,376
Siegler:
The witnesses are all talked to.

1163
00:56:21,378 --> 00:56:23,278
We got to talk over
the ballistics evidence

1164
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,315
With chris robinson.
We got our dna results back.

1165
00:56:26,317 --> 00:56:28,250
Unfortunately,
we can't talk to jimmy

1166
00:56:28,252 --> 00:56:30,719
While he's
in a mental institution.

1167
00:56:30,721 --> 00:56:34,156
So now it's time to review
everything we've learned

1168
00:56:34,158 --> 00:56:36,359
To present the case to the d.A.

1169
00:56:36,361 --> 00:56:39,962
And show once and for all who's
responsible for killing candace.

1170
00:56:39,964 --> 00:56:41,564
I don't think
I ever worked a case

1171
00:56:41,566 --> 00:56:43,098
Where so many allegations
have been made

1172
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:44,766
About somebody like
robert dodd in this case.

1173
00:56:44,768 --> 00:56:48,371
The verbal altercation
with candace was not him.

1174
00:56:48,373 --> 00:56:51,174
That was trace hall. That was
blown out of proportion

1175
00:56:51,176 --> 00:56:53,275
With social media,
with the podcast.

1176
00:56:53,277 --> 00:56:56,044
Candi stuck her head
out of the door

1177
00:56:56,046 --> 00:56:57,580
And was yelling
and screaming at me.

1178
00:56:57,582 --> 00:56:59,682
I said, "just, you need--
you just need to go inside."

1179
00:56:59,684 --> 00:57:02,651
For what he's done,
absolutely he's accountable,

1180
00:57:02,653 --> 00:57:05,453
Which was the storage shed
and accessing that report.

1181
00:57:05,455 --> 00:57:08,324
I mean, and he's--
he's paid that debt.

1182
00:57:18,670 --> 00:57:22,737
What dodd did was stupid,
and it was out of laziness,

1183
00:57:22,739 --> 00:57:27,141
But he did not intentionally
compromise this--this case.

1184
00:57:27,143 --> 00:57:30,412
I mean, there was absolutely
no evidence recovered

1185
00:57:30,414 --> 00:57:32,347
Out of that storage shed
that was directly tied

1186
00:57:32,349 --> 00:57:34,549
To the hiltz case back in '06.

1187
00:57:34,551 --> 00:57:36,385
I have a mexican-style blanket.

1188
00:57:36,387 --> 00:57:38,221
-What color is it?
-Pink and black.

1189
00:57:38,223 --> 00:57:40,957
Okay. Not the scene blanket.
Not green, right?

1190
00:57:40,959 --> 00:57:42,491
Correct.

1191
00:57:42,493 --> 00:57:45,327
He's certainly guilty
of making some bad decisions.

1192
00:57:45,329 --> 00:57:46,695
But I don't think
there's any question

1193
00:57:46,697 --> 00:57:48,296
That he's not a suspect
in this case.

1194
00:57:48,298 --> 00:57:52,568
It's really one
of the most ludicrous theories

1195
00:57:52,570 --> 00:57:54,169
That I've ever seen
working on a case.

1196
00:57:54,171 --> 00:57:55,137
Yeah.

1197
00:57:57,140 --> 00:58:01,109
All right. Got all these
little pieces about jimmy.

1198
00:58:01,111 --> 00:58:03,545
He was pretty delusional.
So it was, like, natural.

1199
00:58:03,547 --> 00:58:05,180
When all of this stuff happened,
that was the first thought

1200
00:58:05,182 --> 00:58:06,214
That everybody had...
-Sure.

1201
00:58:06,216 --> 00:58:07,482
...Was that jimmy killed her.

1202
00:58:07,484 --> 00:58:12,288
In the whole wide world,
who was mad at candace?

1203
00:58:12,290 --> 00:58:14,590
-Jimmy.
-And what all was he mad about?

1204
00:58:14,592 --> 00:58:17,392
The dog.
Kicking him out of the house.

1205
00:58:17,394 --> 00:58:19,695
Locking him out of the house.

1206
00:58:19,697 --> 00:58:22,397
Pulling him off of her brother
who's strangling him.

1207
00:58:22,399 --> 00:58:25,434
Who in the hiltz family
was holding jimmy accountable

1208
00:58:25,436 --> 00:58:27,503
Except for one person?
Just candace.

1209
00:58:35,312 --> 00:58:37,412
And the next thing you're gonna
talk about is the crime scene.

1210
00:58:37,414 --> 00:58:40,148
-The scene itself.
-When you look

1211
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:42,517
At the crime scene,
it's an act of rage. It's anger.

1212
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:44,620
Now I take out the .22,

1213
00:58:44,622 --> 00:58:47,022
And then I shoot you
five more times in the head.

1214
00:58:47,024 --> 00:58:48,557
[bang]

1215
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:50,692
It's covered up very sloppily
and poorly.

1216
00:58:50,694 --> 00:58:52,094
Who's gonna stick her
under the bed like that?

1217
00:58:52,096 --> 00:58:53,428
Only a crazy person.

1218
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:55,230
Somebody who's got
some issues going on.

1219
00:58:55,232 --> 00:58:57,099
How's that
covering up anything?

1220
00:58:57,101 --> 00:58:59,602
The weapons that are taken--
the ammunition that is taken

1221
00:58:59,604 --> 00:59:01,369
In the burglary
we know he committed

1222
00:59:01,371 --> 00:59:05,308
Is the same type of ammunition
that is used here.

1223
00:59:05,310 --> 00:59:06,675
Probably the most
important piece

1224
00:59:06,677 --> 00:59:09,611
Is he had a reason
to kill that dog,

1225
00:59:09,613 --> 00:59:11,780
And we know the gun
that killed that gun

1226
00:59:11,782 --> 00:59:14,349
Is the same gun
that killed candace hiltz.

1227
00:59:14,351 --> 00:59:16,518
It has
the same rifling measurements.

1228
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,587
It has the same
landing groove structure.

1229
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:22,724
I believe that the bullet from
the dog came from the same gun

1230
00:59:22,726 --> 00:59:24,227
That was used to kill her.

1231
00:59:24,229 --> 00:59:26,662
You tell your d.A. All of that,
and you connect up the dots

1232
00:59:26,664 --> 00:59:29,164
With all your burglaries
and the dog being found--

1233
00:59:29,166 --> 00:59:31,667
All those pieces
point right back at jimmy.

1234
00:59:31,669 --> 00:59:34,070
And then you add on
the cherry on top...

1235
00:59:40,243 --> 00:59:43,545
...Where you have candace's
piece of bone found where,

1236
00:59:43,547 --> 00:59:47,683
And who's it connected to?
-Connected to jimmy.

1237
00:59:47,685 --> 00:59:50,418
That's where he's sleeping
and staying and living

1238
00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:51,820
And hiding out and running.

1239
00:59:51,822 --> 00:59:55,123
That's jimmy's universe,
and that piece of bone fragment

1240
00:59:55,125 --> 00:59:57,625
Is out there
where jimmy's sleeping.

1241
00:59:57,627 --> 01:00:00,128
Sh--, seriously?

1242
01:00:00,130 --> 01:00:02,265
The evidence in this case
is strong,

1243
01:00:02,267 --> 01:00:07,168
And it had a lot of mud
thrown at it over the years.

1244
01:00:07,170 --> 01:00:09,437
I think that we have done
a very thorough job

1245
01:00:09,439 --> 01:00:11,473
Of clearing out all the mud

1246
01:00:11,475 --> 01:00:14,176
And all the rumors
and all the gossip

1247
01:00:14,178 --> 01:00:17,112
And all the podcasters' opinions
about what they think happened

1248
01:00:17,114 --> 01:00:18,981
And shown it all
to be worthless.

1249
01:00:18,983 --> 01:00:20,716
And when you focus,

1250
01:00:20,718 --> 01:00:24,287
The evidence
and the hard light of truth,

1251
01:00:24,289 --> 01:00:26,421
There's only one answer here.

1252
01:00:26,423 --> 01:00:29,657
And I think that when derek
and pete go present this case

1253
01:00:29,659 --> 01:00:31,126
To their prosecutor,

1254
01:00:31,128 --> 01:00:32,427
They're gonna come back
with a good answer.

1255
01:00:32,429 --> 01:00:32,494
All right, men, go sell it.
Go sell it.

1256
01:00:32,762 --> 01:00:45,673
Derek and pete presented
all the evidence to the d.A.,

1257
01:00:45,675 --> 01:00:47,242
Who likes the case

1258
01:00:47,244 --> 01:00:49,511
But isn't ready
to move forward just yet.

1259
01:00:49,513 --> 01:00:50,845
And it's especially tricky

1260
01:00:50,847 --> 01:00:52,615
Because jimmy's gone
to trial before

1261
01:00:52,617 --> 01:00:54,315
On his burglary charges

1262
01:00:54,317 --> 01:00:57,419
Where he was found not guilty
by reason of insanity.

1263
01:00:57,421 --> 01:01:00,389
It seems like everything
about candace's case

1264
01:01:00,391 --> 01:01:03,392
Is as complicated
as it is tragic.

1265
01:01:03,394 --> 01:01:05,493
So here's the problem
with the case.

1266
01:01:05,495 --> 01:01:10,732
You have a mother
who probably immediately knows

1267
01:01:10,734 --> 01:01:13,202
That her other child
killed her first child.

1268
01:01:13,204 --> 01:01:16,538
And she did try to get him help,
and the system kicked him out.

1269
01:01:16,540 --> 01:01:18,640
And they were all afraid of him.

1270
01:01:18,642 --> 01:01:20,275
They were all
staying away from him,

1271
01:01:20,277 --> 01:01:23,311
And they locked him away,
and he got to candace anyway.

1272
01:01:23,313 --> 01:01:24,713
And now she's having to live

1273
01:01:24,715 --> 01:01:27,115
With the consequences
of all that

1274
01:01:27,117 --> 01:01:28,718
And the pain of all that,

1275
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:33,322
At the same time is trying not
to lose her child to prison

1276
01:01:33,324 --> 01:01:34,657
For the rest of his life.

1277
01:01:34,659 --> 01:01:37,058
The problem she's making
is that today

1278
01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:39,227
She's come up
with this conspiracy,

1279
01:01:39,229 --> 01:01:42,197
And she's trying
to blame innocent people

1280
01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:45,667
Like robert dodd and members
of your sheriff's department

1281
01:01:45,669 --> 01:01:48,537
In her conspiracy
to not look at the truth.

1282
01:01:48,539 --> 01:01:51,206
Yeah, but can you blame her?

1283
01:01:51,208 --> 01:01:53,442
'cause at night when she's
laying there by herself,

1284
01:01:53,444 --> 01:01:55,543
Would you wanna believe
your son killed your daughter,

1285
01:01:55,545 --> 01:01:57,612
Or do you wanna believe
that the cops are corrupt?

1286
01:01:57,614 --> 01:02:01,250
It's much easier to make
the boogeyman somebody else

1287
01:02:01,252 --> 01:02:03,652
Than somebody
that she gave birth to.

1288
01:02:03,654 --> 01:02:06,421
But the other people
that are culpable in all this

1289
01:02:06,423 --> 01:02:09,424
Is those podcasters
and those reporters

1290
01:02:09,426 --> 01:02:12,427
And those journalists that
helped this conspiracy last

1291
01:02:12,429 --> 01:02:13,729
For all these years.

1292
01:02:13,731 --> 01:02:17,265
Anyway, it's a big ol' mess,
but I think the person

1293
01:02:17,267 --> 01:02:19,067
Who killed candi hiltz
is pretty clear,

1294
01:02:19,069 --> 01:02:20,670
And dolores isn't gonna
want to hear that.

1295
01:02:20,672 --> 01:02:22,170
-No.
-No.

1296
01:02:22,172 --> 01:02:24,472
It's never going
to ring true in her mind.

1297
01:02:24,474 --> 01:02:26,542
Yeah.

1298
01:02:26,544 --> 01:02:31,513
<i>♪ your ghost tries to haunt me ♪</i>

1299
01:02:31,515 --> 01:02:35,651
<i> ♪ way down upon me ♪</i>

1300
01:02:35,653 --> 01:02:37,185
I'm kind of nervous

1301
01:02:37,187 --> 01:02:39,454
About this meeting
with dolores and heather

1302
01:02:39,456 --> 01:02:43,325
Because I don't know
how receptive they're gonna be

1303
01:02:43,327 --> 01:02:44,559
To everything
we need to tell them.

1304
01:02:44,561 --> 01:02:46,529
We just want to tell her
the truth.

1305
01:02:46,531 --> 01:02:48,330
Even if she doesn't wanna
hear it, that's what we owe her.

1306
01:02:48,332 --> 01:02:49,497
Yes.

1307
01:02:49,499 --> 01:02:51,333
This is one
of those conversations

1308
01:02:51,335 --> 01:02:53,234
That I'm not really
looking forward to.

1309
01:02:53,236 --> 01:02:54,670
We know it's gonna be hard

1310
01:02:54,672 --> 01:02:57,172
For dolores to hear
what we have to say,

1311
01:02:57,174 --> 01:03:00,141
But it's important
that she hears the truth.

1312
01:03:00,143 --> 01:03:01,376
Thank you, sir.

1313
01:03:01,378 --> 01:03:04,145
-Hello, ladies.
-Hi.

1314
01:03:04,147 --> 01:03:06,181
-I'm kelly.
-Nice to meet you. I'm cloe.

1315
01:03:06,183 --> 01:03:07,349
Nice to meet you.

1316
01:03:07,351 --> 01:03:09,217
She's brought along
jimmy's daughter

1317
01:03:09,219 --> 01:03:11,087
Which makes this even harder.

1318
01:03:11,089 --> 01:03:17,258
So, deep breath, 'cause I know
that this is hard for everybody.

1319
01:03:17,260 --> 01:03:19,827
The findings of my investigation

1320
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:22,564
Suggest that jimmy
is candace's killer.

1321
01:03:22,566 --> 01:03:26,568
-That I can't believe.
-Dolores, you really don't think

1322
01:03:26,570 --> 01:03:28,770
That jimmy is the person
who killed candace?

1323
01:03:28,772 --> 01:03:33,375
No. I had him sleep on a cot
where my daughter's body was

1324
01:03:33,377 --> 01:03:35,444
To test what his reaction.

1325
01:03:35,446 --> 01:03:38,346
He has no idea where any of this
happened in that house.

1326
01:03:38,348 --> 01:03:40,483
He didn't recognize me,
and I was his child.

1327
01:03:40,485 --> 01:03:42,650
He didn't recognize
his own child.

1328
01:03:42,652 --> 01:03:44,552
I think
that says something, though.

1329
01:03:44,554 --> 01:03:46,721
Dolores, let me
just say this to you.

1330
01:03:46,723 --> 01:03:48,656
You have had
the most horrible thing

1331
01:03:48,658 --> 01:03:52,160
That any human being can have
happen to them by losing a baby.

1332
01:03:52,162 --> 01:03:54,128
No one can pick on you

1333
01:03:54,130 --> 01:03:55,663
Or judge you
for how you feel about that.

1334
01:03:55,665 --> 01:03:57,232
It makes no sense.

1335
01:03:57,234 --> 01:03:59,367
There was more than one killer
in that house.

1336
01:03:59,369 --> 01:04:00,369
There wasn't, dolores.

1337
01:04:00,371 --> 01:04:01,703
Of course
they're gonna blame jimmy

1338
01:04:01,705 --> 01:04:03,271
When the cops are involved.

1339
01:04:03,273 --> 01:04:05,406
I feel like
it's another witch hunt on jimmy

1340
01:04:05,408 --> 01:04:09,544
Because I've gone through
14 1/2 years of this.

1341
01:04:09,546 --> 01:04:14,482
I've been waiting 14 1/2 years
for a real investigation.

1342
01:04:14,484 --> 01:04:16,584
I was hopeful.

1343
01:04:16,586 --> 01:04:20,221
And yet, it's like we're still
barking down the same tree.

1344
01:04:20,223 --> 01:04:22,357
I feel it hasn't
been investigated.

1345
01:04:22,359 --> 01:04:24,359
I know in my heart
he didn't do it.

1346
01:04:24,361 --> 01:04:26,562
Okay, and you know what?
And you're his mother.

1347
01:04:26,564 --> 01:04:28,596
And you get to think that
all you want to.

1348
01:04:28,598 --> 01:04:32,034
One day maybe you'll have
a conversation with pete

1349
01:04:32,036 --> 01:04:34,569
Where he says enough
to make you change your mind

1350
01:04:34,571 --> 01:04:36,204
And see what it is we see.

1351
01:04:36,206 --> 01:04:38,706
But I'm telling you, dolores,
to stop focusing on that

1352
01:04:38,708 --> 01:04:41,709
And to just focus
on what you<i> can</i> control,

1353
01:04:41,711 --> 01:04:43,578
Which is helping jimmy.
-I am.

1354
01:04:43,580 --> 01:04:45,347
Do you think this
is really gonna help her?

1355
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:47,582
No, but I think
it's way better for you

1356
01:04:47,584 --> 01:04:49,685
To fight the thought of having
him stay in a mental hospital

1357
01:04:49,687 --> 01:04:52,387
Than go to a prison.

1358
01:04:52,389 --> 01:04:53,488
[exhales deeply]

1359
01:04:53,490 --> 01:04:56,557
I feel for dolores. I really do.

1360
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:58,459
You have my contact information.

1361
01:04:58,461 --> 01:05:01,396
Reach out to me
when you're comfortable, okay?

1362
01:05:01,398 --> 01:05:04,632
Siegler: I didn't expect dolores
to believe us.

1363
01:05:04,634 --> 01:05:06,534
I don't think
she'll ever believe us.

1364
01:05:06,536 --> 01:05:08,270
But I think
that we all just wish

1365
01:05:08,272 --> 01:05:11,239
That she could find some peace.

1366
01:05:11,241 --> 01:05:45,039
God knows
she suffered long enough.