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WOMAN: * I've got some *
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* Loose threads *
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* You *
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* Couldn't help but notice *
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* Some of my psychosis *
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I tell you what, you keep coming
back here to Texas,
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you're gonna feel like
you live here, right?
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I like Texas. Absolutely
the best people I've ever met.
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Steve and I are back
in San Jacinto County,
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where we recently investigated
the 1992 case
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of Natasha Atchley.
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Natasha's sitting
in the front seat of her car.
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Her doors won't open.
She can't get unstuck.
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And then all of a sudden,
there's the fire,
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and it's too late,
and now she can't get out.
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I don't believe
she was murdered.
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These people are innocent.
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This time we're here
for Rhonda Richardson.
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Rhonda was a 59-year-old
corrections officer.
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Back in 2019, she went searching
for her lost dog
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and was found dead in the woods
the next day.
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I remember when this happened
three years ago,
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but it was a big deal
on the news
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because Rhonda Richardson
was a TDCJ guard.
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So she's law enforcement.
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SPINGOLA: It's a different type
of case.
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I figured you would like it.
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It's really
a little bit strange.
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You studied the pictures.
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So what's your takeaway
from all that?
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SPINGOLA: Well, the hyoid
isn't fractured.
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There's no indications there
was any trauma to the body,
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but it does appear
that she was scalped
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because there's cuts along--
up to the temple
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and then that hair
is pulled right off.
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And the way she looked out there
is just enough
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that I'll never forget
this case.
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Due to extreme decomposition,
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Rhonda's exact cause of death
could not be determined,
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but it looks like
she was scalped by her killer.
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SIEGLER: And I know they have
a good suspect.
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I know he's
a registered sex offender,
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and I know he's weird.
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But that's a far cry
from scalping somebody.
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That's a hell of a jump.
You don't think
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there's an animal
out in these woods
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who can grab ahold of her hair
and bite that and rip it off?
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I've never seen an animal
do something like that
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without leaving the teeth marks.
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We can't be making
some innocent man
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go to prison behind this
if he's not guilty.
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The sheriff's office thinks
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that this is
a sexually motivated homicide,
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and Steve agrees with that,
but I'm not convinced.
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I think it's possible
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that Rhonda died
of a heart attack or a stroke
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and then was preyed upon
by animals.
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The last time we were here,
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we thought that Natasha Atchley
was murdered,
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but we determined
she died accidentally.
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So I'm not ruling anything out.
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SPINGOLA: I'm telling you,
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these sex offenders
are the weirdest ducks
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I have ever come across
in my life.
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And you've seen more murders
than most cops in this country.
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How many scalpings
have you worked? One.
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I've had penises cut off.
I've had breasts cut off.
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Not the same thing as scalping.
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- Yeah. Okay.
- Not the same thing.
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I'm gonna let you off
right here.
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I bet I'm gonna be right
by the time we're done here.
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- Okay.
- Bet it's not a scalping.
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She dropped dead
of a heatstroke.
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You got your
defense attorney hat on today.
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I know. I can't believe
I'm sitting here
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trying to keep somebody
from going to prison.
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I just don't think he did it.
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- Hey, Kelly.
- Glad to be back.
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Yes, ma'am.
Good to have you back.
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- Good to see you again.
- Yes, ma'am.
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- Steve Spingola.
- Omar Sheikh. Nice to meet you.
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- Gary Sharpen.
- Nice to meet you, Gary.
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- Omar, good to see you again.
- You, too, Kelly.
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We just really appreciate
that y'all came back
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and y'all are now helping us
close another case.
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We're excited.
Gary, we know it's your case.
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You've been invested in it
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and working in it
ever since it happened, right?
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Right from the beginning.
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I've been in law enforcement
for over 25 years.
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I've never seen anything
like this before.
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This one was extremely brutal.
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Rhonda was sweet
and she was kind,
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and she didn't deserve this.
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I just wanna do everything
in my powers to find her killer.
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SIEGLER: Rhonda Richardson
was 59.
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SHARPEN: She was
a very pretty woman
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and everybody liked her.
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SIEGLER: She had three kids,
right?
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SHARPEN: Yeah.
Family was important to her.
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SIEGLER: Wasn't there
a time, too,
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where she even helped raise
her grandkids?
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SHARPEN: Yeah, she did have
them living with her
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for a short time.
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It feels like from reading your
file and all your interviews,
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Rhonda was pretty private.
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SHARPEN: She was.
She really stuck to herself.
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She lived alone.
She had a couple of dogs.
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She treated them like family.
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She worked for TDC for how long?
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SHARPEN: Well over 20 years.
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She got along
with her coworkers.
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Her primary job at the prison
was with the operations side,
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where she didn't have much to do
with dealing with inmates.
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Okay. You consider her
law enforcement, right?
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- Absolutely. She was family.
- That's what he said.
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Yep. So, on May 22nd in 2019,
we got a 911 call.
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Deputies responded.
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They went out to a location
in the National Forest.
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There was a trail that was cut
through the National Forest,
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frequented by ATVs,
four-wheelers.
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It's extremely isolated.
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And when I walked
down the trail,
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I saw Rhonda laying face first
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about eight feet off the trail.
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And she was fully clothed.
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Her boots there
right next to her.
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There was no trauma
to her torso,
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her legs, her body.
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Her hair's all up front. See?
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That's all her hair up top.
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Like something
pulled her hair out.
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The strange thing was,
there was no hair
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from the back of her neck all
the way to the top of her head.
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The skin from her scalp
is completely missing.
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And when we finally
was able to flip her over,
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that's when I saw that her face
was completely missing.
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Do you think that the injuries
to the scalping
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is postmortem, after she's dead?
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Absolutely. It's postmortem.
Absolutely.
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Everybody's agreeing after.
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SPINGOLA: In all my years
of law enforcement experience,
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I've only seen a scalping once.
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If the killer was an obsessive
stalker with sexual fantasies,
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maybe that's what this was
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or maybe a display of power
or an attempt at a trophy.
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These offenders are wired
differently than you and I.
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They're attracted
to different sexual fantasies.
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And each one
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You guys are behind
the eight ball here.
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That body was decomposed.
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It was out there for, I think,
a day and a half in that heat.
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The worst part is,
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due to the extreme decomposition
of Rhonda's body,
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We don't exactly know
how she was killed.
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My experience leads me
to believe she was strangled.
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But at this time,
we can't prove it.
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From where her body was
and her actual house
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was half a mile maybe.
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It's like a small neighborhood,
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and it butts up
to the National Forest.
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Quite a bit of the people
around the neighborhood
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had come out,
talking to the other deputies.
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Neighbors reported seeing Rhonda
the morning before
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out searching for her lost dog.
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The medical examiner determined
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that she was likely killed
soon after that,
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just roughly 24 hours
before her body was found.
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She had no known enemies
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or issues with former inmates
or coworkers.
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- Who was the 911 caller?
- Jacen Clary.
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And the Clary family lives
out there in the neighborhood.
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After we started
asking questions,
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we found out
that this uncle, Robert,
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was the one that actually
discovered her body.
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SIEGLER: Okay. Y'all wanna start
with Robert Clary.
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SHARPEN: Robert lived
in a camper by himself.
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He was unemployed.
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Didn't have much
of a personal life.
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He'd been in and out of prison
for most of his adult life.
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Registered sex offender
in San Jacinto County.
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She knew who he was,
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and there wasn't any type
of like a friendship.
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They were just neighborly.
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Robert Clary told us
the day before, on the 21st,
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that he had actually helped
and assisted Rhonda
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with finding this lost dog
in the National Forest.
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He was on the four-wheeler.
She was on foot.
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She's out there
yelling and screaming.
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He's on the four-wheeler,
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and they're separately
looking for the dog.
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SHEIKH: He said
she was sweating.
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He decides to go back home.
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Is that the last time
he sees her?
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SHEIKH: Yes. Then Wednesday,
he said he went to the woods,
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and that's
when he found the body.
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And he takes pictures
of her body
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when he first discovered her,
which just blew me away.
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SIEGLER: Robert said he was
trying to help the investigators
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and was advised by an officer
to delete the photos.
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But was there more
to his fascination with Rhonda?
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And if so,
what would be his motivation
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to kill her,
let alone scalp her?
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In Robert's defense,
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you got a search warrant
for Robert's house, right?
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Robert's house, Robert's truck,
and Robert's four-wheeler.
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- SPINGOLA: And nothing, right?
- Nothing.
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He volunteered
that he would do a polygraph.
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He said to eliminate himself
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as a potential suspect
in this case.
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- SIEGLER: He failed it, right?
- Yes.
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My problem with the case
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is that you don't have
a completely thorough autopsy
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that can definitively tell us
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is it possible this is just
natural heart attack, animal.
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That's what I'm worried about--
that it's just a heart attack...
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- Okay.
- ...from a heatstroke.
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Does she have any other
medical history, though?
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She's got blood pressure
medicine. She's way overweight.
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She took off a year before
for a month for hurting her leg.
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He said that she was sweating.
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- And?
- SPINGOLA: Red.
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Very red in the face
and about to pass out.
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And she told him,
"I can't take this heat."
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But if she did have some type
of a medical emergency,
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we would've been able
to see that with...
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No. They can't tell
it's a heart attack
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'cause she was so decomposed.
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There's a crime there, Kelly.
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It's called "abuse of a corpse."
That's not murder.
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So, abusive corpse.
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What about the scalping
and the hair?
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Like, did somebody else come
upon her and scalp her after?
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SPINGOLA: Well,
does he come across this?
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And he's got some attraction
to hair. Again, I don't know.
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- I don't think so.
- And I'm the only one
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who's sitting there worried
that it's not a coyote
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or something
that yanked her hair off?
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You don't think
it's an animal at all?
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He may have had some sort
of sexual fetish.
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- For feet.
- Oh, come on.
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- Oh, come on.
- Where's the sexual assault?
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Her clothes are on her...
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Okay. Maybe he's feeling her up.
245
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That's the thing about it, too,
246
00:10:15,181 --> 00:10:18,518
is that strangely, why would she
take off her boots?
247
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I've done it before.
I've done it before.
248
00:10:20,887 --> 00:10:23,790
When you're hot with jeans on
in 90-degree temperature...
249
00:10:23,823 --> 00:10:26,059
- Then why not look for shade?
- ...and you're burning up hot.
250
00:10:26,092 --> 00:10:28,728
My head wants to explode here.
He tells his nephew,
251
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"I'm waiting for 'em
to come and arrest me."
252
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Who says that
if you're innocent?
253
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SIEGLER: He's been to prison,
254
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so he's gonna be weird and
defensive and odd and all that.
255
00:10:36,503 --> 00:10:39,539
His behavior changed after this,
for Christ's sake.
256
00:10:39,572 --> 00:10:41,474
Where's the real Kelly Siegler?
257
00:10:41,508 --> 00:10:45,378
Would you get a DNA sample
and prove to me it's you?
258
00:10:45,412 --> 00:10:47,247
- Calm down.
- I'm fine. I am perfect.
259
00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,649
We don't usually argue
this hard on day one.
260
00:10:49,683 --> 00:10:51,351
R-E-L-A-X, okay?
261
00:10:51,384 --> 00:10:53,353
You're just mirroring
what me and Gary went through.
262
00:10:53,386 --> 00:10:55,188
No, it's fine.
I'm not getting worked up.
263
00:10:55,221 --> 00:10:57,991
I'm just--Honestly, guys,
I'm usually there.
264
00:10:58,024 --> 00:10:59,559
I'm not there yet.
265
00:10:59,592 --> 00:11:01,494
I'm not saying
we're not gonna get there.
266
00:11:01,528 --> 00:11:03,229
But y'all gotta listen to me
like I'm listening to you.
267
00:11:13,606 --> 00:11:14,974
- SIEGLER: Ready?
- SHARPEN: Yeah.
268
00:11:17,310 --> 00:11:18,678
Gary and I are meeting
269
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with Rhonda Richardson's
daughter Amanda.
270
00:11:21,081 --> 00:11:23,216
Hey. How it's going?
You doing all right?
271
00:11:23,249 --> 00:11:26,820
The dynamic between Amanda and
her mom is a little different
272
00:11:26,853 --> 00:11:28,688
because her mom
was in law enforcement.
273
00:11:28,722 --> 00:11:30,690
Out here in the country
and raising three kids,
274
00:11:30,724 --> 00:11:32,826
I wonder what that was like,
growing up in a house
275
00:11:32,859 --> 00:11:34,561
where you mom's
basically a cop.
276
00:11:34,594 --> 00:11:37,097
So, Kelly's here
to help us out.
277
00:11:37,097 --> 00:11:38,631
We just wanted to talk to you,
278
00:11:38,665 --> 00:11:40,467
trying to figure out
what had happened.
279
00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:42,369
Just tell me a little bit
about your mom.
280
00:11:42,402 --> 00:11:44,804
My mom was
a very private person.
281
00:11:44,838 --> 00:11:46,806
She was getting ready to retire.
282
00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,110
Had been working with the state
for 25 years.
283
00:11:50,110 --> 00:11:53,346
She loved spending time
with her grandkids.
284
00:11:53,380 --> 00:11:56,883
She helped a great deal with
my daughter when she was born
285
00:11:56,916 --> 00:11:59,886
and with my brother's kids
and helped them out.
286
00:11:59,919 --> 00:12:01,221
SIEGLER: How many grandkids
did she have?
287
00:12:01,254 --> 00:12:02,655
AMANDA: It was five grandkids.
288
00:12:02,689 --> 00:12:04,357
At the time of everything,
289
00:12:04,391 --> 00:12:06,426
how was your relationship
with your mother?
290
00:12:06,459 --> 00:12:08,695
I wouldn't say
we were completely close,
291
00:12:08,728 --> 00:12:10,697
but we didn't have any issues.
292
00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:12,932
We had an on-again,
off-again...
293
00:12:12,966 --> 00:12:14,868
Just like a mother/daughter.
Just a spat...
294
00:12:14,901 --> 00:12:18,905
We had our quarrels. Yeah.
But I left when I was 15.
295
00:12:18,938 --> 00:12:21,608
- 15?
- I did. I moved in with my dad.
296
00:12:21,641 --> 00:12:23,677
She was trying so hard,
297
00:12:23,710 --> 00:12:26,713
not realizing she was too
overbearing and constrictive.
298
00:12:26,746 --> 00:12:29,215
And I get it. I do now.
299
00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:31,584
As a parent,
I completely understand.
300
00:12:31,618 --> 00:12:33,853
I just don't think
she went the right way about it.
301
00:12:33,887 --> 00:12:36,623
But I don't think
she knew any other way.
302
00:12:36,656 --> 00:12:38,892
- It's hard to be a single mom.
- Yeah.
303
00:12:38,925 --> 00:12:41,795
To not have the support.
304
00:12:41,828 --> 00:12:43,930
And I couldn't imagine
going through
305
00:12:43,963 --> 00:12:46,599
what she had to go through.
306
00:12:46,633 --> 00:12:48,401
He's told you
and you already know
307
00:12:48,435 --> 00:12:50,103
it is a hard case, girl. Okay?
308
00:12:50,136 --> 00:12:51,538
I know.
309
00:12:51,571 --> 00:12:53,239
I wish we could
promise you something,
310
00:12:53,273 --> 00:12:55,542
but we're not
promising you that, okay?
311
00:12:55,575 --> 00:12:59,379
There's a piece out there
that will connect this.
312
00:12:59,412 --> 00:13:01,481
- I don't know what it is.
- I'm trying to find it.
313
00:13:01,514 --> 00:13:02,649
I hope so.
314
00:13:02,682 --> 00:13:04,918
Big mix of emotions.
315
00:13:04,951 --> 00:13:06,920
I'm happy somebody's
looking into it.
316
00:13:06,953 --> 00:13:12,425
I'm sad to be reliving it
and angry it's still unresolved.
317
00:13:12,459 --> 00:13:16,629
It's strange that my mom worked
for the justice system, right?
318
00:13:16,663 --> 00:13:20,734
And, um, she hasn't gotten
any justice yet.
319
00:13:20,767 --> 00:13:23,169
And I'm holding out for that.
320
00:13:23,203 --> 00:13:24,471
- Thank you.
- Hang in there, honey.
321
00:13:24,504 --> 00:13:25,772
Hang in there.
322
00:13:28,108 --> 00:13:30,810
- How are you doing today?
- Doing good.
323
00:13:30,844 --> 00:13:33,146
Did you drive over here
from Montgomery County?
324
00:13:33,179 --> 00:13:34,948
- Yes, I did.
- Okay.
325
00:13:34,981 --> 00:13:37,684
The single most important thing
in a murder is cause of death.
326
00:13:37,717 --> 00:13:39,185
Because without that,
327
00:13:39,219 --> 00:13:41,354
it makes it a lot harder
to prove a murder.
328
00:13:41,388 --> 00:13:42,989
So we brought in our expert.
329
00:13:43,089 --> 00:13:45,091
Y'all don't give me easy ones.
330
00:13:45,091 --> 00:13:46,860
I know.
This is the hardest one.
331
00:13:46,893 --> 00:13:48,495
I agree.
332
00:13:48,528 --> 00:13:50,330
Dr. Pinneri has reviewed
the case file,
333
00:13:50,363 --> 00:13:52,599
and hopefully
she can help us determine
334
00:13:52,632 --> 00:13:55,335
whether or not this
is some kind of bizarre sequence
335
00:13:55,368 --> 00:13:58,104
of natural events or a murder.
336
00:13:58,138 --> 00:14:00,373
Rhonda was found face down
in a wooden area
337
00:14:00,407 --> 00:14:03,043
on May 22, 2019.
338
00:14:03,043 --> 00:14:04,778
It's clear that that
is where she died.
339
00:14:04,811 --> 00:14:06,946
It's clear
that she died face down.
340
00:14:07,047 --> 00:14:09,215
She is fully clothed
except her boots are off,
341
00:14:09,249 --> 00:14:13,720
and the socks don't really have
any dirt or leaves
342
00:14:13,753 --> 00:14:16,156
or anything stuck
to the bottom of them,
343
00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:19,826
which suggests that she's not
walking around in her socks.
344
00:14:19,859 --> 00:14:21,561
And she's not positioned
in a way
345
00:14:21,594 --> 00:14:24,230
that she just took her boots off
and fell over.
346
00:14:24,264 --> 00:14:26,700
The most striking thing
for this case
347
00:14:26,733 --> 00:14:28,134
is the differential
decomposition.
348
00:14:28,168 --> 00:14:30,637
Her head is very decomposed,
349
00:14:30,670 --> 00:14:33,540
indicative of trauma
occurring to that area.
350
00:14:33,573 --> 00:14:34,808
Which would have been
the scalping.
351
00:14:34,841 --> 00:14:36,176
The exposed tissues, yes.
352
00:14:36,209 --> 00:14:38,078
So the other thing
we have to think about
353
00:14:38,111 --> 00:14:40,413
is she's outdoors
and could do this be an animal.
354
00:14:40,447 --> 00:14:42,749
Most of them are gonna go
for what's easy to get to,
355
00:14:42,782 --> 00:14:45,318
and that's gonna be
hands and feet.
356
00:14:45,352 --> 00:14:48,755
What they certainly cannot
get to is the front of her face,
357
00:14:48,788 --> 00:14:51,558
and she has those
sharp forced injuries
358
00:14:51,591 --> 00:14:53,760
to the front of her face.
I don't see anything
359
00:14:53,793 --> 00:14:56,096
that looks like animal activity
on these remains.
360
00:14:56,096 --> 00:14:58,865
There's no teeth marks.
There's no claw marks.
361
00:14:58,898 --> 00:15:01,568
If the scalp would have been
taken off by an animal,
362
00:15:01,601 --> 00:15:04,270
they would have taken it
and gone and eaten it.
363
00:15:04,304 --> 00:15:08,208
So I don't think this trauma
is postmortem animal activity.
364
00:15:08,241 --> 00:15:10,410
I hear you with
"it can't be animals,"
365
00:15:10,443 --> 00:15:11,845
'cause that's
what I was thinking it was.
366
00:15:11,878 --> 00:15:13,613
So you rule that out.
367
00:15:13,646 --> 00:15:16,850
But if we're talking
about an attempt at a scalping,
368
00:15:16,883 --> 00:15:20,120
which of these cuts are what's
going on to make that happen?
369
00:15:20,153 --> 00:15:22,789
It looks like they're coming
right through here.
370
00:15:22,822 --> 00:15:25,392
They describe some
across the top of the head here.
371
00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:28,528
But the two deepest ones
are on the back of her head.
372
00:15:28,561 --> 00:15:31,564
Do any of those rise to
the level of a cause of death?
373
00:15:31,598 --> 00:15:34,567
Not for me. It's really not hard
to get a scalp off.
374
00:15:34,601 --> 00:15:36,069
- It's not?
- It isn't.
375
00:15:36,102 --> 00:15:38,071
We do it every day
we do an autopsy.
376
00:15:38,104 --> 00:15:40,407
- It peels back easily?
- It peels back easily.
377
00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,076
If we're first trying
to figure out cause of death,
378
00:15:43,109 --> 00:15:44,244
what would you say?
379
00:15:44,277 --> 00:15:46,279
Oh, gosh.
I wish I could go back
380
00:15:46,312 --> 00:15:48,381
so I could do
the autopsy myself.
381
00:15:48,415 --> 00:15:50,750
There's quite a few things
I would do differently.
382
00:15:50,784 --> 00:15:53,086
Autopsy's done on the 24th.
383
00:15:53,119 --> 00:15:56,823
So two days after she's found,
there's a lot of fly eggs.
384
00:15:56,856 --> 00:15:59,325
Typically when somebody's found
with a bunch of fly eggs,
385
00:15:59,359 --> 00:16:01,394
you put them
in a really cold cooler
386
00:16:01,428 --> 00:16:03,463
to help slow that process.
387
00:16:03,496 --> 00:16:05,565
And I don't know
where she was stored,
388
00:16:05,598 --> 00:16:07,400
but the fly eggs
have all hatched.
389
00:16:07,434 --> 00:16:09,235
The reason that's important
390
00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:12,272
is they're going to eat
the tissue around them.
391
00:16:12,305 --> 00:16:16,343
We're not getting a good picture
of what it actually looked like
392
00:16:16,376 --> 00:16:18,411
because maggots have eaten away
some of it.
393
00:16:18,445 --> 00:16:23,183
Nothing is described that way
to cause her to die instantly,
394
00:16:23,216 --> 00:16:25,051
like she apparently did.
395
00:16:25,051 --> 00:16:28,688
I mean, I would have to say
"undetermined" unfortunately.
396
00:16:28,722 --> 00:16:31,358
We knew that the other medical
examiner couldn't say for sure
397
00:16:31,391 --> 00:16:33,259
what happened to Rhonda,
398
00:16:33,293 --> 00:16:36,696
but we had no idea it was gonna
be this impossible to find out.
399
00:16:36,730 --> 00:16:38,331
Had somebody
who's on top of her,
400
00:16:38,365 --> 00:16:40,100
grabbed her by the head,
lifted her head up,
401
00:16:40,133 --> 00:16:42,869
and start scalping her
while she's face down.
402
00:16:42,902 --> 00:16:45,605
But she would have
to have been incapacitated...
403
00:16:45,638 --> 00:16:48,775
You're right. Or strangled,
choked out.
404
00:16:48,808 --> 00:16:51,644
But they don't describe
any injuries to the neck.
405
00:16:51,678 --> 00:16:53,346
Well, you can't,
because of the decomp--
406
00:16:53,380 --> 00:16:55,181
Well, the hyoid bone,
you should still be able
407
00:16:55,215 --> 00:16:58,551
to see fractures
in the thyroid cartilage.
408
00:16:58,585 --> 00:17:01,021
There were
no cervical spine fractures.
409
00:17:01,021 --> 00:17:03,356
"The hyoid bone,
thyroid cartilage
410
00:17:03,390 --> 00:17:05,392
and cricoid cartilage
were intact
411
00:17:05,425 --> 00:17:07,127
and had no fractures."
412
00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,528
So, when you have this
413
00:17:08,561 --> 00:17:10,864
from the man
who did the autopsy,
414
00:17:10,897 --> 00:17:13,400
that there are no injuries
to this area of her body,
415
00:17:13,433 --> 00:17:16,469
y'all can't wish it
into existence,
416
00:17:16,503 --> 00:17:17,837
'cause you're stuck with this.
417
00:17:17,871 --> 00:17:19,572
So, what do you think, Kelly?
418
00:17:19,606 --> 00:17:21,074
I think you're screwed,
419
00:17:21,107 --> 00:17:23,376
and I think she should've
done your autopsy.
420
00:17:23,410 --> 00:17:26,312
And it's not your fault.
You tried, Gary.
421
00:17:26,346 --> 00:17:28,248
When you do this job,
422
00:17:28,281 --> 00:17:30,717
you know you're gonna have times
where you disagree.
423
00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:33,586
Gary disagrees with me,
and I disagree with Gary.
424
00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:36,322
I'm not mad at him,
and he's not mad at me.
425
00:17:36,356 --> 00:17:37,857
But where you're this far apart
426
00:17:37,891 --> 00:17:39,693
on the beginning
of a murder case
427
00:17:39,726 --> 00:17:42,062
or a homicide case,
which is cause of death,
428
00:17:42,062 --> 00:17:43,763
how are you gonna fix that?
429
00:17:43,797 --> 00:17:45,498
But thank you so much.
It's frustrating.
430
00:17:45,532 --> 00:17:47,701
- But we appreciate it.
- It's a hard one.
431
00:17:47,734 --> 00:17:48,868
You cleared up a lot.
432
00:17:48,902 --> 00:17:50,270
That's the one hurdle
433
00:17:50,303 --> 00:17:52,505
you can't ever just disregard
or ignore
434
00:17:52,539 --> 00:17:54,074
or pretend like
it doesn't exist.
435
00:17:54,107 --> 00:17:55,108
I don't know
what we're gonna do.
436
00:17:55,141 --> 00:17:56,576
What you thinking?
437
00:17:56,609 --> 00:17:58,411
I was hoping
we'd get a better answer.
438
00:17:58,445 --> 00:18:01,047
I'll say this.
You still have the chance.
439
00:18:01,081 --> 00:18:03,683
You get some clean, clear...
440
00:18:03,717 --> 00:18:06,119
Not a confession.
You're not gonna get that.
441
00:18:06,152 --> 00:18:08,555
...admission or slip-up,
442
00:18:08,588 --> 00:18:10,757
you completed
unknown manner and means.
443
00:18:10,790 --> 00:18:13,293
But you gotta have
some big new...
444
00:18:13,326 --> 00:18:15,462
Something big and juicy
might happen.
445
00:18:15,495 --> 00:18:17,030
But you gotta have it.
446
00:18:31,811 --> 00:18:33,046
The reality is, Steve,
447
00:18:33,913 --> 00:18:38,051
you had a very good appreciation
of this case
448
00:18:38,051 --> 00:18:41,254
and reading between the lines
way better than I did.
449
00:18:41,287 --> 00:18:42,956
My husband Sam even said,
450
00:18:43,056 --> 00:18:44,791
"So, Spingola was right
and you were wrong."
451
00:18:44,824 --> 00:18:47,093
And I went, "Yep.
Yep, yep, he was. He was."
452
00:18:47,127 --> 00:18:49,129
Giving you full credit, man.
453
00:18:49,162 --> 00:18:50,897
Now even Kelly believes
that Rhonda was scalped
454
00:18:50,930 --> 00:18:53,133
by an individual
and not an animal.
455
00:18:53,166 --> 00:18:55,268
But we can't prove
how Rhonda died
456
00:18:55,301 --> 00:18:57,103
or that Robert Clary killed her.
457
00:18:57,137 --> 00:19:01,274
WOMAN: * I see the clouds
are rolling in *
458
00:19:01,307 --> 00:19:03,009
How many times do you think
459
00:19:03,009 --> 00:19:04,844
these murder cases
you put together are just luck?
460
00:19:04,878 --> 00:19:06,646
- That's all they are.
- All the time.
461
00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,249
There are times, like,
we've investigated cases
462
00:19:09,282 --> 00:19:12,519
and you're so far off,
you know, for months,
463
00:19:12,552 --> 00:19:14,087
and then something happens.
464
00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:15,789
It's like, "Where the hell
does this guy come from?"
465
00:19:15,822 --> 00:19:18,191
Maybe getting a look at where
Robert discovered her body
466
00:19:18,224 --> 00:19:19,559
can help us figure out
what we're missing.
467
00:19:21,461 --> 00:19:26,299
***
468
00:19:26,332 --> 00:19:27,867
We know that the day before,
469
00:19:27,901 --> 00:19:30,036
Rhonda was looking
for her lost dog,
470
00:19:30,036 --> 00:19:32,305
and she was afraid that it might
have run off into the woods.
471
00:19:32,339 --> 00:19:35,275
But we also know
that she was on foot,
472
00:19:35,308 --> 00:19:39,546
and she was found over
1,700 feet deep into the trail.
473
00:19:39,579 --> 00:19:41,514
Which is pretty dang far
to have to walk.
474
00:19:41,548 --> 00:19:44,451
- She was just right over here.
- Put a piece of paper down.
475
00:19:44,484 --> 00:19:46,353
Her head was right there.
476
00:19:46,386 --> 00:19:48,722
Steve, what do you remember
seeing from the pictures
477
00:19:48,755 --> 00:19:50,223
that you thought were important?
478
00:19:50,256 --> 00:19:52,192
Well, there's no drag marks.
Whatever happens,
479
00:19:52,225 --> 00:19:53,226
I think happens right here.
480
00:19:53,259 --> 00:19:56,062
Socks on. The boots are off.
481
00:19:56,062 --> 00:19:58,698
And the important thing
about the socks was what, Gary?
482
00:19:58,732 --> 00:20:01,334
There's nothing on her socks.
No debris. Her socks were clean.
483
00:20:01,368 --> 00:20:03,303
So, she comes this far
off the trail,
484
00:20:03,336 --> 00:20:05,538
and something else happens
to knock her down,
485
00:20:05,572 --> 00:20:07,007
to be prone on the ground.
486
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,475
When I came out here,
487
00:20:08,508 --> 00:20:10,477
I was already looking
for broken branches.
488
00:20:10,510 --> 00:20:13,880
I was looking for anything
that would show a struggle,
489
00:20:13,913 --> 00:20:15,315
and I didn't see anything.
490
00:20:15,348 --> 00:20:17,751
There's no injuries
to her legs, her arms.
491
00:20:17,784 --> 00:20:19,185
Just the head injuries.
492
00:20:19,219 --> 00:20:20,653
When I rolled her over,
493
00:20:20,687 --> 00:20:24,024
her face was completely
just mutilated.
494
00:20:24,057 --> 00:20:25,725
I mean, I was horrified.
495
00:20:25,759 --> 00:20:29,329
SIEGLER: And the report
says it's 1,791...
496
00:20:29,362 --> 00:20:31,064
- Something like that. Yeah.
- ...feet.
497
00:20:31,097 --> 00:20:33,333
That's a long way
in the shape she was in.
498
00:20:33,366 --> 00:20:35,435
But I think a healthy person
499
00:20:35,468 --> 00:20:37,437
wouldn't have walked this far
into the woods.
500
00:20:37,470 --> 00:20:39,673
This dog ain't coming back
this far.
501
00:20:39,706 --> 00:20:41,107
You don't think the dogs
would come back here, huh?
502
00:20:41,141 --> 00:20:43,209
- No way.
- Hmm.
503
00:20:43,243 --> 00:20:47,013
SIEGLER: Robert Clary rode
around the woods on his ATV
504
00:20:47,047 --> 00:20:49,249
and helped Rhonda
look for her dog.
505
00:20:49,282 --> 00:20:51,685
But according to him,
he never gave her a ride.
506
00:20:51,718 --> 00:20:53,319
So, how did she get out here?
507
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,929
How you doing?
I'm Gary Sharpen.
508
00:21:02,962 --> 00:21:04,931
I'm the lead detective on this.
509
00:21:04,964 --> 00:21:07,200
I'm doing good.
Thank you. How about yourself?
510
00:21:07,233 --> 00:21:10,103
Dr. Dean De Crisce
is a forensics psychiatrist
511
00:21:10,136 --> 00:21:13,073
and an expert
in criminal sexual offenders.
512
00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:15,408
We've asked him for his insight
513
00:21:15,442 --> 00:21:18,378
on what type of suspect
would scalp his victim.
514
00:21:18,411 --> 00:21:20,413
And we wanna see
if he has anything
515
00:21:20,447 --> 00:21:22,716
that aligns with what we know
about Robert Clary.
516
00:21:22,749 --> 00:21:27,320
Usually, there is two different
types of mutilation.
517
00:21:27,354 --> 00:21:28,988
One is instrumental.
518
00:21:29,089 --> 00:21:32,225
The offender is trying
to dismember the body
519
00:21:32,258 --> 00:21:35,095
to obscure the crime
to get rid of the evidence
520
00:21:35,128 --> 00:21:37,831
without any particular
emotional investment.
521
00:21:37,864 --> 00:21:39,833
And then the other type
522
00:21:39,866 --> 00:21:42,235
would be somebody doing it
for gratification,
523
00:21:42,268 --> 00:21:46,006
either because of extreme
levels of hate and rage
524
00:21:46,106 --> 00:21:48,408
or a sexual motivation.
525
00:21:48,441 --> 00:21:50,343
From what I could tell,
526
00:21:50,377 --> 00:21:53,113
it doesn't look like there was
any attempt to hide the body.
527
00:21:53,146 --> 00:21:56,850
So it's more likely that it was
because of a sexual motivation
528
00:21:56,883 --> 00:21:59,119
or extreme anger.
529
00:21:59,152 --> 00:22:01,621
Individuals that do
this type of thing,
530
00:22:01,654 --> 00:22:05,759
they're likely to have
a prior sexual offense history.
531
00:22:05,792 --> 00:22:09,262
Usually offenders
will escalate over time.
532
00:22:09,295 --> 00:22:13,933
They may have done a rape before
or an assault on a woman before,
533
00:22:13,967 --> 00:22:16,169
and then, you know,
they work their way up
534
00:22:16,202 --> 00:22:18,772
to some offense of this level.
535
00:22:18,805 --> 00:22:21,541
And it's likely
that they knew the victim.
536
00:22:21,574 --> 00:22:25,645
It's very odd to me
that they left the scalp there.
537
00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:28,948
Sexual sadists are known
538
00:22:28,982 --> 00:22:32,152
to frequently take trophies
of their killings.
539
00:22:32,185 --> 00:22:33,820
To me, that's probably
540
00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:36,456
what the person
was likely trying to do.
541
00:22:36,489 --> 00:22:40,527
The fact that the boots
were removed from the victim
542
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,897
made me think
that perhaps the perpetrator
543
00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:46,733
had in intention
to undress the victim.
544
00:22:46,766 --> 00:22:48,401
And maybe they were interrupted.
545
00:22:48,435 --> 00:22:50,804
They heard a sound
or something like that.
546
00:22:50,837 --> 00:22:52,639
Some of this sounds
like Robert Clary.
547
00:22:52,672 --> 00:22:54,808
I appreciate your time.
Thanks a lot.
548
00:22:54,841 --> 00:22:57,110
I hope I've been
at least somewhat helpful.
549
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:58,912
SIEGLER: He is
a convicted sex offender,
550
00:22:58,945 --> 00:23:01,715
but if Robert Clary
wanted a trophy,
551
00:23:01,748 --> 00:23:04,351
he had all the time
in the world to take it
552
00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:06,152
because he's the one
who found her.
553
00:23:06,186 --> 00:23:09,155
He did characterize
a lot of who Robert is.
554
00:23:09,189 --> 00:23:10,590
He was familiar with her.
555
00:23:10,623 --> 00:23:13,093
He does have a prior
sexual offense history.
556
00:23:13,126 --> 00:23:15,428
Remember that Robert Clary
is the one
557
00:23:15,462 --> 00:23:19,366
who talked to you,
talked to the polygrapher.
558
00:23:19,399 --> 00:23:22,335
He signed a consent to let
you search his four-wheeler
559
00:23:22,369 --> 00:23:23,770
and his house.
560
00:23:23,803 --> 00:23:25,605
He offered up his DNA.
561
00:23:25,638 --> 00:23:28,708
He's the one who led you
back to her body.
562
00:23:28,742 --> 00:23:29,843
True.
563
00:23:29,876 --> 00:23:31,344
It doesn't make sense.
564
00:23:31,378 --> 00:23:33,246
- It doesn't go together.
- True.
565
00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:35,081
I appreciate
the doctor's insight,
566
00:23:35,081 --> 00:23:37,450
but to me,
this is all speculation,
567
00:23:37,484 --> 00:23:39,119
and it's not as damning
568
00:23:39,152 --> 00:23:40,720
as everybody in the room
wants it to be
569
00:23:40,754 --> 00:23:41,955
'cause it's not admissible.
570
00:23:41,988 --> 00:23:44,224
I mean,
I'm sitting here thinking,
571
00:23:44,257 --> 00:23:47,594
why can't someone high on meth
who's mad
572
00:23:47,627 --> 00:23:50,096
be more logically consistent
with this
573
00:23:50,096 --> 00:23:52,098
than possibly Robert Clary?
574
00:23:52,132 --> 00:23:53,700
- True.
- I don't know.
575
00:24:07,947 --> 00:24:09,916
Okay, So,
Eric Devlin specializes
576
00:24:11,051 --> 00:24:13,353
in cellphone forensics,
and that's what he loves to do.
577
00:24:13,386 --> 00:24:15,855
He's our expert that we bring
whenever we have a case,
578
00:24:15,889 --> 00:24:17,524
especially one
as young as yours is.
579
00:24:17,557 --> 00:24:18,625
It's only three years old,
right?
580
00:24:18,658 --> 00:24:20,493
- Right.
- Let me go get him.
581
00:24:20,527 --> 00:24:22,629
Rhonda Richardson's case
is about as fresh
582
00:24:22,662 --> 00:24:24,164
as a cold case can get,
583
00:24:24,197 --> 00:24:26,533
which hopefully means
we can catch a break
584
00:24:26,566 --> 00:24:29,469
analyzing her cellphone
and Robert Clary's.
585
00:24:29,502 --> 00:24:30,637
- All right.
- Take off.
586
00:24:30,670 --> 00:24:32,339
- You ready?
- Take it away.
587
00:24:32,372 --> 00:24:34,841
We know that they exchanged
a few phone calls
588
00:24:34,874 --> 00:24:38,978
before her death on May 21st,
which Robert has admitted to.
589
00:24:39,079 --> 00:24:40,780
But what we wanna know is
590
00:24:40,814 --> 00:24:43,950
if their phones recorded
any other useful information.
591
00:24:43,983 --> 00:24:46,486
So, in this particular case,
I got a bunch of devices.
592
00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:48,488
First one we're gonna talk about
is the Apple iPhone
593
00:24:48,521 --> 00:24:50,390
belonging to Rhonda Richardson.
594
00:24:50,423 --> 00:24:51,658
It's the one
recovered at the scene.
595
00:24:51,691 --> 00:24:53,526
I was asked to focus
on the activity sensors.
596
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,096
What these activity sensors
are set to do
597
00:24:56,096 --> 00:24:59,099
is every hour it updates
how much you've walked,
598
00:24:59,099 --> 00:25:00,900
stepped, or moved
in the last hour.
599
00:25:00,934 --> 00:25:03,903
I looked specifically
for 5-21 through 5-22.
600
00:25:03,937 --> 00:25:06,072
The last of the phone
moving around
601
00:25:06,106 --> 00:25:08,141
is at 2:00 p.m.
602
00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:10,377
Rhonda was spotted
looking for her lost dog
603
00:25:10,410 --> 00:25:12,045
at 11:00 a.m.
604
00:25:12,078 --> 00:25:14,047
According to her
phone motion sensors,
605
00:25:14,047 --> 00:25:15,648
she stopped taking steps
in the woods
606
00:25:15,682 --> 00:25:17,417
between 1:00 and 2:00 p.m.,
607
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:19,686
which leads us to believe
that's our murder window.
608
00:25:19,719 --> 00:25:22,389
It's also right before Robert
claims he left the woods
609
00:25:22,422 --> 00:25:23,757
and drove home.
610
00:25:23,790 --> 00:25:26,059
Turning on
to Robert Clary's phone--
611
00:25:26,092 --> 00:25:28,528
This is the one obtained by the
search warrant from his trailer.
612
00:25:28,561 --> 00:25:30,663
Here's what I did find that was
gonna be interesting to y'all.
613
00:25:30,697 --> 00:25:32,198
Location analysis.
614
00:25:32,232 --> 00:25:33,867
These are actually
the GPS points
615
00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:36,236
that I actually pulled
from the physical phone itself.
616
00:25:36,269 --> 00:25:39,839
This is 5-21-2019 at 4:36 p.m.
617
00:25:39,873 --> 00:25:41,274
He's hitting right here,
618
00:25:41,307 --> 00:25:42,842
which appears to be
where the trail starts.
619
00:25:42,876 --> 00:25:45,078
- On the 21st.
- On the 21st.
620
00:25:45,078 --> 00:25:47,747
This one's the 4:35.
This one's the 4:36.
621
00:25:47,781 --> 00:25:51,551
He is heading in that direction.
622
00:25:51,584 --> 00:25:54,087
- It's right on the trail.
- It's right on the trail.
623
00:25:54,087 --> 00:25:56,122
He's saying he went home,
but now his phone
624
00:25:56,156 --> 00:26:00,026
is showing GPS at 4:36 p.m.
on the trail.
625
00:26:00,060 --> 00:26:03,697
SIEGLER: Robert said he returned
to his home around 2:00 p.m.
626
00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:07,567
But his phone was on the trail
at 4:35 and 4:36
627
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,469
going toward his house.
628
00:26:09,502 --> 00:26:11,237
That's a big difference.
629
00:26:11,271 --> 00:26:14,040
So, was he really out there
in the woods the whole time.
630
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,476
Did he go home
and then come back to the woods?
631
00:26:16,509 --> 00:26:18,278
And why did he have to lie?
632
00:26:18,311 --> 00:26:20,447
That's the best new thing
we've heard all day.
633
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,249
That's enough for me to say,
"Hey, explain this."
634
00:26:23,283 --> 00:26:25,051
- Yes, it is.
- Now, this might be
635
00:26:25,051 --> 00:26:26,419
when he's coming back
from scalping her.
636
00:26:26,453 --> 00:26:27,587
Exactly.
637
00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:29,422
DEVLIN: You know we're not done.
638
00:26:29,456 --> 00:26:30,824
There's an interesting thing
I'm gonna show you.
639
00:26:30,857 --> 00:26:32,826
So, what you have here is
this is 5-22.
640
00:26:32,859 --> 00:26:34,594
There you go.
641
00:26:34,627 --> 00:26:36,329
There is the thumbnails
642
00:26:36,363 --> 00:26:38,331
for the pictures of the body
that he took.
643
00:26:38,365 --> 00:26:40,066
You see
a whole bunch of 'em here.
644
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:41,968
3:47.
645
00:26:42,068 --> 00:26:44,337
And then you have a whole bunch
of them starting over at 7:48.
646
00:26:44,371 --> 00:26:46,573
They're the same photos,
but he deleted them
647
00:26:46,606 --> 00:26:49,476
somewhere between the time
he took it at 3:47.
648
00:26:49,509 --> 00:26:52,278
He appeared to reload
those photographs
649
00:26:52,312 --> 00:26:54,414
at 7:48 p.m.
and then deletes 'em again.
650
00:26:54,447 --> 00:26:56,182
I found that to be weird.
651
00:26:56,216 --> 00:26:58,084
- SIEGLER: On Wednesday.
- On Wednesday.
652
00:26:58,084 --> 00:27:00,353
SPINGOLA: We know Robert took
photographs of Rhonda's body
653
00:27:00,387 --> 00:27:03,790
at about 3:30 p.m.
as his nephew called 911.
654
00:27:03,823 --> 00:27:05,759
An officer
had Robert delete them.
655
00:27:05,792 --> 00:27:07,260
That's already kind of strange.
656
00:27:07,293 --> 00:27:08,695
But it looks like Robert
657
00:27:08,728 --> 00:27:10,530
actually downloaded
those photographs again
658
00:27:10,563 --> 00:27:13,800
from the cloud and back
onto his phone later that night.
659
00:27:13,833 --> 00:27:15,602
Could Robert have been looking
at those photographs
660
00:27:15,635 --> 00:27:17,037
and viewing them as a trophy?
661
00:27:17,070 --> 00:27:19,773
Piece by piece,
we're putting this together.
662
00:27:19,806 --> 00:27:23,143
This is definitely
a dagger in his story.
663
00:27:30,216 --> 00:27:32,218
- Jacen's over here?
- Yeah. That black truck.
664
00:27:32,252 --> 00:27:33,887
So he should be home.
665
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,322
When Robert Clary found
Rhonda's body in the woods,
666
00:27:36,356 --> 00:27:39,192
he immediately drove
to his nephew Jacen's house,
667
00:27:39,225 --> 00:27:41,294
picked him up
and took him to see the body.
668
00:27:41,327 --> 00:27:43,730
And it was Jacen who called 911
at that time.
669
00:27:43,763 --> 00:27:46,399
Hey, Jacen.
How's it going, brother?
670
00:27:46,433 --> 00:27:48,301
We're wondering
if Robert's actions
671
00:27:48,335 --> 00:27:50,837
seemed as strange to Jacen
as they do to us.
672
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:53,206
I wish you all just take his ass
to jail, get it over with.
673
00:27:53,239 --> 00:27:54,507
Tell me why.
674
00:27:54,541 --> 00:27:56,676
The day that all
that [bleep] happened,
675
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:58,378
I was in the driveway
right here,
676
00:27:58,411 --> 00:28:00,013
and he came up
on his four-wheeler.
677
00:28:00,013 --> 00:28:02,215
My other brother across the road
was over here helping me.
678
00:28:02,248 --> 00:28:03,717
And he said,
"Hey, I found a body."
679
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:04,818
And he got on his four-wheeler
with him.
680
00:28:04,851 --> 00:28:05,885
And his first comment to me
681
00:28:05,919 --> 00:28:07,220
when we got away
from everybody
682
00:28:07,253 --> 00:28:09,589
was, "Don't tell them
I came down here.
683
00:28:09,622 --> 00:28:11,324
Don't tell nobody
that I was down here."
684
00:28:11,358 --> 00:28:12,692
And I'm like, "Bull[bleep]."
685
00:28:12,726 --> 00:28:15,595
Wait a second.
He--He--He said that?
686
00:28:15,628 --> 00:28:17,764
Yeah. For me not to tell anybody
687
00:28:17,797 --> 00:28:19,199
that he was down there
I found the body.
688
00:28:19,232 --> 00:28:20,734
Tell 'em I found it.
689
00:28:20,767 --> 00:28:22,402
And I was like,
"No, I'm not doing that."
690
00:28:22,435 --> 00:28:24,604
You thought that it was odd
that he didn't call the cops?
691
00:28:24,637 --> 00:28:27,607
I did. As soon as we pulled up
and I seen it was a body,
692
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,211
I immediately walked away and
called the police department.
693
00:28:31,244 --> 00:28:33,046
- What was Robert doing?
- He got off
694
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:34,547
and was walking around
the body and taking pictures.
695
00:28:34,581 --> 00:28:36,216
Why in the [bleep]
would anybody
696
00:28:36,249 --> 00:28:38,418
in their right mind take a
picture of something like that?
697
00:28:38,451 --> 00:28:40,553
I don't wanna remember
something like that.
698
00:28:40,587 --> 00:28:44,591
He told me that they had had
a couple of conversations before
699
00:28:44,624 --> 00:28:46,593
and that he was texting her.
700
00:28:46,626 --> 00:28:48,294
Did he seem like
he was interested in her?
701
00:28:48,328 --> 00:28:51,398
Yes. She wasn't
necessarily the same.
702
00:28:51,431 --> 00:28:53,600
So, she was rejecting him.
703
00:28:53,633 --> 00:28:55,702
Would you say--Would you say-
Would you use that word?
704
00:28:55,735 --> 00:28:56,736
Would you use that word?
Rejection.
705
00:28:56,770 --> 00:28:58,138
- Yes.
- Okay.
706
00:28:58,171 --> 00:29:00,006
Did he ever tell you
he was attracted to her?
707
00:29:00,006 --> 00:29:01,808
He made sexual comments
towards her.
708
00:29:01,841 --> 00:29:03,243
And we were having
a family function,
709
00:29:03,276 --> 00:29:04,611
and there was probably
30 people here,
710
00:29:04,644 --> 00:29:06,046
and he started making
sexual comments
711
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:07,714
about what he'd do to her.
712
00:29:07,747 --> 00:29:10,050
- What's he saying?
- I would eat her [bleep].
713
00:29:10,083 --> 00:29:11,618
And he said it to her.
714
00:29:11,651 --> 00:29:13,453
"She's single. I'm single.
We can hook up.
715
00:29:13,486 --> 00:29:15,722
She already knows
what's a prisoner like."
716
00:29:15,755 --> 00:29:17,557
And he knew a lot more
than what he's saying he did.
717
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:19,025
Okay.
718
00:29:19,025 --> 00:29:20,794
Robert was sexually attracted
to Rhonda,
719
00:29:20,827 --> 00:29:23,029
and that changes everything
in this case.
720
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:25,065
Even Robert's own nephew
believes his was involved
721
00:29:25,098 --> 00:29:27,100
in the homicide
based on his strange behavior.
722
00:29:36,943 --> 00:29:38,445
SHARPEN: I appreciate it.
723
00:29:42,482 --> 00:29:44,150
Wait until Kelly hears this.
724
00:29:44,184 --> 00:29:46,853
Him telling Jacen,
725
00:29:46,886 --> 00:29:49,422
"Hey, don't tell them
I was the one that found her."
726
00:30:03,737 --> 00:30:05,071
I came into this case
727
00:30:05,939 --> 00:30:08,975
thinking that Robert Clary
didn't do it,
728
00:30:09,009 --> 00:30:11,578
and I've completely
change my mind.
729
00:30:11,611 --> 00:30:14,147
Yesterday, you got a true read
730
00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:16,750
on how his own people
think about him.
731
00:30:16,783 --> 00:30:18,518
I was wrong.
732
00:30:18,551 --> 00:30:20,687
I'll tell you this much, though,
we ever have to go to war
733
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,355
with someone super criminal,
734
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:24,257
I'm taking you over
every other D.A. I've ever had.
735
00:30:24,290 --> 00:30:25,525
Well, that was sweet.
736
00:30:25,558 --> 00:30:28,194
After talking
to Robert Clary's nephew,
737
00:30:28,228 --> 00:30:30,463
it's clear that the
sheriff's department and Steve
738
00:30:30,497 --> 00:30:32,365
were right about Robert Clary.
739
00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:34,668
I'm finally convinced
he's involved.
740
00:30:34,701 --> 00:30:37,470
So, we still have a problem
with cause of death,
741
00:30:37,504 --> 00:30:41,274
but with Devlin's
cellphone information
742
00:30:41,307 --> 00:30:43,710
and the beautiful new piece
that you got yesterday,
743
00:30:43,743 --> 00:30:45,311
that's huge.
744
00:30:45,345 --> 00:30:47,681
The law in Texas allows you
in a case like this
745
00:30:47,714 --> 00:30:50,684
where you have
an unknown cause of death
746
00:30:50,717 --> 00:30:53,787
to file it
as an unknown manner and means,
747
00:30:53,820 --> 00:30:56,189
which is what would need
to happen in this case.
748
00:30:56,222 --> 00:30:58,358
Let's split up
and go hit the neighborhood,
749
00:30:58,391 --> 00:30:59,893
and let's go knock 'em out.
750
00:30:59,926 --> 00:31:02,228
If we believe
that Robert killed Rhonda,
751
00:31:02,262 --> 00:31:04,898
it would be great to try
and get more evidence.
752
00:31:04,931 --> 00:31:08,635
An admission would be wonderful.
A confession would be a miracle.
753
00:31:08,668 --> 00:31:10,136
Or finding some other witness
754
00:31:10,170 --> 00:31:12,172
that knows some other
little piece of the story
755
00:31:12,205 --> 00:31:14,207
would be beautiful new pieces
of evidence to try and find.
756
00:31:18,244 --> 00:31:20,480
I thought about this
for hours last night,
757
00:31:20,513 --> 00:31:23,350
and I want him to explain
his story again
758
00:31:23,383 --> 00:31:24,984
in that time line.
759
00:31:25,085 --> 00:31:27,587
Right up here.
760
00:31:27,620 --> 00:31:29,189
That him there?
761
00:31:29,222 --> 00:31:31,091
SHARPEN: That's him
right there, dude.
762
00:31:31,091 --> 00:31:32,826
It's time we talked
to Robert Clary.
763
00:31:32,859 --> 00:31:34,094
- Hey, Robert.
- Hey.
764
00:31:34,127 --> 00:31:36,696
- How's it going?
- It's going.
765
00:31:36,730 --> 00:31:38,865
SPINGOLA: We have questions
about his strange behavior
766
00:31:38,898 --> 00:31:40,734
and movements that day.
767
00:31:40,767 --> 00:31:42,836
Will he deny it
or come up with a new story?
768
00:31:42,869 --> 00:31:45,338
SHARPEN: We wanna figure out
what happened to Rhonda.
769
00:31:45,372 --> 00:31:46,606
I have no idea.
770
00:31:46,639 --> 00:31:48,608
I gave my statement to you,
771
00:31:48,641 --> 00:31:50,877
and that's all
I have to say about it.
772
00:31:50,910 --> 00:31:53,546
I never knew the woman.
All I know is she's the woman
773
00:31:53,580 --> 00:31:55,248
that looks for her dog
all the time.
774
00:31:55,281 --> 00:31:57,784
We know that you were with her
the day before you found her.
775
00:31:57,817 --> 00:32:01,087
She was walking back and forth
right here on the road
776
00:32:01,121 --> 00:32:03,456
just screaming out there
for them dogs.
777
00:32:03,490 --> 00:32:05,959
She's the one that says,
"I don't go in them woods.
778
00:32:06,059 --> 00:32:09,095
Would you mind going in there?
I'm looking for my dog."
779
00:32:09,129 --> 00:32:11,064
So I went in there
and looked for him.
780
00:32:11,064 --> 00:32:12,365
SPINGOLA: You never gave her
a ride down into the woods?
781
00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:14,134
CLARY: Nope.
782
00:32:14,167 --> 00:32:15,802
SPINGOLA: Do you remember when
you left the woods that day?
783
00:32:15,835 --> 00:32:17,771
Was she still out there
or did she come out with you?
784
00:32:17,804 --> 00:32:19,539
She never was in the woods.
785
00:32:19,572 --> 00:32:22,375
She says she's going home
and get her something to drink
786
00:32:22,409 --> 00:32:24,644
and she might come out
and look for the dog later.
787
00:32:24,678 --> 00:32:26,646
SHARPEN: And you never
went back out there?
788
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,915
And you're sure of that?
789
00:32:28,948 --> 00:32:31,551
- Yeah.
- Take a look at this, Robert.
790
00:32:31,584 --> 00:32:34,320
Can you explain this?
This is your cellphone.
791
00:32:34,354 --> 00:32:35,889
SPINGOLA: That shows you
you're walking
792
00:32:35,922 --> 00:32:38,091
up and down that trail
later in the afternoon.
793
00:32:38,091 --> 00:32:41,094
SHARPEN: But you told us earlier
that you weren't back out there.
794
00:32:41,127 --> 00:32:44,497
CLARY: Not that I can recall
that I was out there at all.
795
00:32:44,531 --> 00:32:46,599
SHARPEN: This does not
make sense.
796
00:32:46,633 --> 00:32:48,568
It doesn't make
no sense to me either.
797
00:32:48,601 --> 00:32:50,737
SPINGOLA: Did you call her
when you were out there?
798
00:32:50,770 --> 00:32:52,605
No. I don't have
her phone number.
799
00:32:52,639 --> 00:32:54,240
You don't have her phone number.
800
00:32:54,274 --> 00:32:55,742
No. Uh-uh. No.
801
00:32:55,775 --> 00:32:58,144
SHARPEN: Obviously
we know you called her.
802
00:32:58,178 --> 00:33:00,480
- We know you talked to her.
- SPINGOLA: In the woods.
803
00:33:00,513 --> 00:33:02,682
No, I didn't call her
and talk to her.
804
00:33:02,716 --> 00:33:06,286
SHARPEN: Cellphone technology
doesn't lie.
805
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:08,455
I'm not surprised
that he has no explanation
806
00:33:08,488 --> 00:33:10,457
for why his telephone
was up and down that trail
807
00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:12,125
later than he initially
reported it.
808
00:33:12,158 --> 00:33:14,427
But now he's denying
even calling Rhonda,
809
00:33:14,461 --> 00:33:15,862
which he admitted before.
810
00:33:15,895 --> 00:33:18,064
I think that's the panic
in him talking.
811
00:33:18,064 --> 00:33:20,834
SPINGOLA: You found the body
the next day, on a Wednesday.
812
00:33:20,867 --> 00:33:23,203
Yeah. I thought
it was a man laying there.
813
00:33:23,236 --> 00:33:26,806
SPINGOLA: Why not just call 911
and report that?
814
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,143
'Cause I was freaking out.
I'm going, "That's Eddie."
815
00:33:30,176 --> 00:33:33,213
I wanted to go get somebody
that--I thought it was him.
816
00:33:33,246 --> 00:33:34,848
He might be dying in there.
817
00:33:34,881 --> 00:33:36,483
SPINGOLA: Did you check
on that body?
818
00:33:36,516 --> 00:33:38,318
No, no, no.
I didn't get off the phone.
819
00:33:38,351 --> 00:33:39,853
I'm not gonna get off my phone
820
00:33:39,886 --> 00:33:42,088
with a body laying there
in the woods.
821
00:33:42,088 --> 00:33:44,891
But you went back with Jacen
and took pictures of the body.
822
00:33:44,924 --> 00:33:47,227
I said,
"Well, let me take a picture
823
00:33:47,260 --> 00:33:51,564
and give to the--911--
the police when they get here.
824
00:33:51,598 --> 00:33:54,100
And they said, "No, you don't
need them on your phone."
825
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:56,102
And so you
just deleted them once?
826
00:33:56,102 --> 00:33:57,537
- Yeah.
- Did you ever pull 'em back up
827
00:33:57,570 --> 00:33:58,905
and look at 'em?
828
00:33:58,938 --> 00:34:00,073
- No.
- No.
829
00:34:00,106 --> 00:34:02,042
I wouldn't even do that.
830
00:34:02,042 --> 00:34:04,344
We know that those photos were
downloaded onto Robert's phone,
831
00:34:04,377 --> 00:34:06,179
just like we know he called her,
832
00:34:06,212 --> 00:34:08,415
just like we know that Robert's
story is full of holes.
833
00:34:08,448 --> 00:34:09,816
SHARPEN: What you're
saying to me
834
00:34:09,849 --> 00:34:13,186
and what we have
with the technology and the data
835
00:34:13,219 --> 00:34:14,587
doesn't add up.
836
00:34:14,621 --> 00:34:16,089
SPINGOLA: Tell us what happened
out there.
837
00:34:16,122 --> 00:34:19,359
Did you just go out there
and cut the skullcap off?
838
00:34:19,392 --> 00:34:20,727
- Is that--
- What?
839
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,897
Golly. That is ridiculous. No.
840
00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:26,533
You're barking up the wrong tree
far as I'm concerned.
841
00:34:26,566 --> 00:34:27,901
If you don't believe
what I'm saying,
842
00:34:27,934 --> 00:34:29,669
there's no sense
in me talking to you.
843
00:34:29,703 --> 00:34:31,538
SPINGOLA: All right.
I'm just telling you,
844
00:34:31,571 --> 00:34:34,607
you haven't convinced me
of anything. Have a nice day.
845
00:34:34,641 --> 00:34:36,343
SPINGOLA: Anytime you
can get a suspect
846
00:34:36,376 --> 00:34:39,079
to contradict the evidence
in a case, it's a big win.
847
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,181
and that's was a big "W"
for us right there.
848
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,522
All right. Then our next one
are David Talbert.
849
00:34:49,556 --> 00:34:51,858
SIEGLER: We held off on talking
to Rhonda's neighbors
850
00:34:51,891 --> 00:34:53,760
because we didn't want
Robert Clary to know
851
00:34:53,793 --> 00:34:55,695
that we were reopening the case.
852
00:34:55,729 --> 00:34:58,131
But now that Robert knows
that we're doing this,
853
00:34:58,164 --> 00:35:00,600
we're headed to talk to one
of Rhonda's old neighbors,
854
00:35:00,633 --> 00:35:02,035
David Talbert.
855
00:35:02,035 --> 00:35:04,571
Hello. We're looking
for David Talbert.
856
00:35:04,604 --> 00:35:06,406
- You looking for David?
- Uh-huh.
857
00:35:06,439 --> 00:35:07,807
- He's down below.
- Okay.
858
00:35:07,841 --> 00:35:09,542
- Are you a Talbert, too?
- I'm James Talbert.
859
00:35:09,576 --> 00:35:12,278
James Talbert. Okay.
And David is your brother?
860
00:35:12,312 --> 00:35:14,914
- David. Yeah. He's down there.
- To make sure we're thorough,
861
00:35:14,948 --> 00:35:17,117
Mr. Talbert, we're out here
talking to everybody
862
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:19,052
that might have any information
863
00:35:19,052 --> 00:35:20,553
when Rhonda Richardson
got found murdered.
864
00:35:20,587 --> 00:35:22,622
I worked with her in the prison.
865
00:35:22,655 --> 00:35:25,225
Oh, wow. We didn't know
you worked with her.
866
00:35:25,258 --> 00:35:28,561
Instead of David,
we found his brother James
867
00:35:28,595 --> 00:35:30,663
Who wasn't even on our list.
868
00:35:30,697 --> 00:35:32,832
Fortunately,
he knew Rhonda, too.
869
00:35:32,866 --> 00:35:34,167
The day I think
that this happened...
870
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,069
Tuesday.
871
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:38,838
Yeah. I saw her right here,
and she was looking for her dog.
872
00:35:38,872 --> 00:35:41,775
She told us, "I haven't seen him
or heard anything."
873
00:35:41,808 --> 00:35:45,078
She got ready to go back in
the woods, and Robert showed up.
874
00:35:45,078 --> 00:35:46,513
SIEGLER: You're talking
about Robert Clary.
875
00:35:46,546 --> 00:35:47,547
JAMES: Yeah. He was riding
his four-wheeler.
876
00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:50,483
And he'd already,
a couple of days before that,
877
00:35:50,517 --> 00:35:52,085
had trouble
with her and her dog,
878
00:35:52,085 --> 00:35:54,120
saying that they
were coming down his place
879
00:35:54,154 --> 00:35:57,424
and he would kill 'em if they
ever come back to her place.
880
00:35:57,457 --> 00:35:58,625
- How do you know that?
- He said it.
881
00:35:58,658 --> 00:36:00,460
Everyone heard him say that.
882
00:36:00,493 --> 00:36:02,595
Heard Robert say
that he would do what?
883
00:36:02,629 --> 00:36:04,664
He would kill the dogs.
He didn't say mess with her.
884
00:36:04,698 --> 00:36:06,800
Robert is running up and down
here with his four-wheeler.
885
00:36:06,833 --> 00:36:08,835
He stopped to talked to her,
886
00:36:08,868 --> 00:36:11,371
and I heard him say,
"I'll help you find your dog."
887
00:36:11,404 --> 00:36:13,106
She got on the back
of his four-wheeler
888
00:36:13,139 --> 00:36:14,341
and they rode that way.
889
00:36:14,374 --> 00:36:15,542
That was the last time
I saw them.
890
00:36:15,575 --> 00:36:17,043
- Okay, time-out.
- What time was this?
891
00:36:17,043 --> 00:36:19,446
Slow down.
The last time you see Rhonda,
892
00:36:19,479 --> 00:36:21,648
she's on the bike
of Robert Clary's four-wheeler.
893
00:36:21,681 --> 00:36:24,284
She got on the four-wheeler
right at that trail.
894
00:36:24,317 --> 00:36:26,820
She was facing me, sitting
on the back of his four-wheeler.
895
00:36:26,853 --> 00:36:29,356
- SHEIKH: What time was this?
- Between 12:30, 1:00.
896
00:36:29,389 --> 00:36:31,057
My financial adviser
was running late.
897
00:36:31,057 --> 00:36:32,525
He said he'd be here at 12:00.
898
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:34,527
That's how you remember
the time so well.
899
00:36:34,561 --> 00:36:37,297
My financial adviser
was here by 1:00.
900
00:36:37,330 --> 00:36:39,065
She was on the back
of his four-wheeler
901
00:36:39,099 --> 00:36:41,067
and went that away, and that's
the last time I saw her.
902
00:36:41,101 --> 00:36:42,669
Oh, my God.
903
00:36:42,702 --> 00:36:45,071
We just stumbled
on an eyewitness
904
00:36:45,071 --> 00:36:48,208
who knew Robert
was mad at Rhonda
905
00:36:48,241 --> 00:36:52,412
and gave her a ride on his ATV
906
00:36:52,445 --> 00:36:56,416
within an hour of when
we believed Rhonda was killed.
907
00:36:56,449 --> 00:36:58,718
That's how she got out
in those woods
908
00:36:58,752 --> 00:37:01,354
and maybe part
of why he killed her.
909
00:37:01,388 --> 00:37:03,056
- Wow.
- Oh, my God.
910
00:37:03,089 --> 00:37:04,858
- Thank God.
- We just solved the whole case
911
00:37:04,891 --> 00:37:06,359
and figured out everything.
912
00:37:06,393 --> 00:37:08,361
That never happens.
913
00:37:08,395 --> 00:37:12,032
12:30 to 1:00, and he even knows
why he's got the time right.
914
00:37:12,032 --> 00:37:14,668
He sees Rhonda on the back
of the four-wheeler.
915
00:37:14,701 --> 00:37:16,870
Looking at him backwards,
and she drives down the road.
916
00:37:16,903 --> 00:37:18,438
SHEIKH: We're so lucky
he was even here.
917
00:37:18,471 --> 00:37:19,939
SIEGLER: Oh, my God.
He's not even the right Talbert
918
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,541
that just happens
to answer the door.
919
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:34,654
- SIEGLER: Double trouble, Rob.
- Hello, Kelly.
920
00:37:35,055 --> 00:37:36,423
Double trouble.
921
00:37:36,456 --> 00:37:38,124
- Hi, Steve.
- How you doing? How are you?
922
00:37:38,158 --> 00:37:39,559
Good to see you.
923
00:37:39,592 --> 00:37:41,094
I never thought
we would get here,
924
00:37:41,127 --> 00:37:43,229
but we are confident
that we have built
925
00:37:43,263 --> 00:37:45,465
a great circumstantial
evidence case
926
00:37:45,498 --> 00:37:47,467
in the murder
of Rhonda Richardson.
927
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:49,302
I think we're ready
to run it all down to y'all.
928
00:37:49,336 --> 00:37:51,638
- Absolutely.
- I gotta say, Rob,
929
00:37:51,671 --> 00:37:53,306
you've never
heard me say this before.
930
00:37:53,340 --> 00:37:54,908
I was wrong.
931
00:37:54,941 --> 00:37:58,144
I came into this case
thinking it was an animal.
932
00:37:58,178 --> 00:37:59,813
My heatstroke theory
933
00:37:59,846 --> 00:38:02,782
Dr. Pinneri pretty much
shot down like that.
934
00:38:02,816 --> 00:38:05,051
There's no teeth marks.
There's no claw marks.
935
00:38:05,085 --> 00:38:06,553
I don't see anything
936
00:38:06,586 --> 00:38:08,621
that looks like animal activity
on these remains.
937
00:38:08,655 --> 00:38:10,757
So, everybody
in the room is clear
938
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:12,659
with marking this
off the board forevermore?
939
00:38:12,692 --> 00:38:14,627
- Yep.
- Okay.
940
00:38:14,661 --> 00:38:18,064
Okay. So, then Robert Clary.
941
00:38:18,098 --> 00:38:20,734
So, Robert was the person
that found her,
942
00:38:20,767 --> 00:38:23,403
but he denied that he actually
was on the trail with her.
943
00:38:23,436 --> 00:38:25,605
She was walking back and forth
944
00:38:25,638 --> 00:38:28,041
and screaming out there
for them dogs.
945
00:38:28,041 --> 00:38:29,042
You never gave her a ride
down into the woods?
946
00:38:29,042 --> 00:38:30,844
Nope.
947
00:38:30,877 --> 00:38:33,947
Eric Devlin gave the analysis.
And tell him what he found.
948
00:38:34,047 --> 00:38:37,050
He actually found
two separate GPS
949
00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:39,052
on the phone itself
950
00:38:39,052 --> 00:38:43,189
that showed Robert was actually
on the trail 4:35, 4:36,
951
00:38:43,223 --> 00:38:45,759
the day she was missing.
952
00:38:45,792 --> 00:38:48,528
This contradicts his story
that he left her at the road.
953
00:38:48,561 --> 00:38:51,264
- Absolutely.
- And then the beautiful part.
954
00:38:51,297 --> 00:38:53,500
Omar and I stopped
at the wrong Talbert house,
955
00:38:53,533 --> 00:38:56,169
and James Talbert comes out,
David's brother,
956
00:38:56,202 --> 00:38:58,838
and tells us that that day
957
00:38:58,872 --> 00:39:03,009
he sees Robert Clary
pull up on his four-wheeler
958
00:39:03,009 --> 00:39:05,679
and he hears Robert Clary say,
959
00:39:05,712 --> 00:39:07,447
"I'll help you look
for your dog."
960
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,683
I heard him say,
"I'll help you find your dog."
961
00:39:09,716 --> 00:39:14,054
He sees Rhonda get
on the back of the four-wheeler
962
00:39:14,087 --> 00:39:15,622
with Robert driving.
963
00:39:15,655 --> 00:39:17,490
She got on the back
of his four-wheeler,
964
00:39:17,524 --> 00:39:19,492
and they rode that away.
The last time I saw her.
965
00:39:19,526 --> 00:39:21,628
The last time
she has ever seen alive
966
00:39:21,661 --> 00:39:25,031
on the face of this earth--
on the back of his four-wheeler.
967
00:39:25,031 --> 00:39:28,034
I loved that we asked him, "You
took pictures of the body."
968
00:39:28,034 --> 00:39:29,869
"Well, I was trying
law enforcement," he says.
969
00:39:29,903 --> 00:39:31,471
- Oh, right.
- So this gets better.
970
00:39:31,504 --> 00:39:34,307
He said a skinny cop says,
"Get that off your phone.
971
00:39:34,341 --> 00:39:36,543
They're gonna take your phone."
So he deletes it.
972
00:39:36,576 --> 00:39:39,512
But then later on that night,
he ups the photos again.
973
00:39:39,546 --> 00:39:42,048
He's looking at the photographs
that he erased.
974
00:39:42,048 --> 00:39:43,383
He deleted them somewhere
975
00:39:43,416 --> 00:39:46,052
between the time
he took it at 3:47.
976
00:39:46,052 --> 00:39:49,255
He appeared to reload
those photographs at 7:48 p.m.
977
00:39:49,289 --> 00:39:50,757
and then deletes them again.
978
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:52,759
Did you ever pull 'em back up
and look at 'em?
979
00:39:52,792 --> 00:39:54,494
- No.
- No.
980
00:39:54,527 --> 00:39:57,831
What are the odds that out here
in the National Forest
981
00:39:57,864 --> 00:40:00,066
there's somebody else out there?
982
00:40:00,066 --> 00:40:02,535
That whole window,
the beginning and the end,
983
00:40:02,569 --> 00:40:04,838
there's only one human being
on the planet that's out there.
984
00:40:04,871 --> 00:40:06,373
- Right.
- And that's Robert Clary.
985
00:40:06,406 --> 00:40:07,674
And cellphones don't lie.
986
00:40:07,707 --> 00:40:09,542
This was a really tough case.
987
00:40:09,576 --> 00:40:11,211
I've never seen as much emotion
988
00:40:11,244 --> 00:40:12,946
in this war room
as we've had the last week.
989
00:40:12,979 --> 00:40:14,447
Kelly and I weren't
even talking.
990
00:40:14,481 --> 00:40:16,883
If she was my work wife,
I'd have divorced her by now.
991
00:40:16,916 --> 00:40:19,285
But I think that we've come
to a conclusion here
992
00:40:19,319 --> 00:40:22,422
that Rhonda was murdered
and clearly by Robert Clary.
993
00:40:22,455 --> 00:40:25,358
- I think we have enough.
- Let's go get him.
994
00:40:25,392 --> 00:40:26,760
- Okay.
- Go, go, go.
995
00:40:26,793 --> 00:40:28,762
Let us know what the plan is.
996
00:40:39,105 --> 00:40:41,708
- So, right here?
- Park right here.
997
00:40:41,741 --> 00:40:44,544
- Yeah. Right here.
- Let's get ready to go, okay?
998
00:40:44,577 --> 00:40:46,813
SHARPEN: We're about
to go arrest Robert Clary
999
00:40:46,846 --> 00:40:48,548
for the murder
of Rhonda Richardson.
1000
00:40:48,581 --> 00:40:50,917
Our game plan
is to go to the front door
1001
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:52,452
and take him into custody.
1002
00:40:52,485 --> 00:40:54,220
Go get Robert.
1003
00:40:54,254 --> 00:40:56,489
[dog barking]
1004
00:40:56,523 --> 00:40:59,459
Come on out.
1005
00:40:59,492 --> 00:41:01,227
We have a warrant
for your arrest.
1006
00:41:01,261 --> 00:41:02,562
Turn around. Turn around.
1007
00:41:04,431 --> 00:41:06,099
What am I being arrested for?
1008
00:41:06,132 --> 00:41:08,501
The murder of Rhonda Richardson.
1009
00:41:08,535 --> 00:41:09,936
Excuse me?
1010
00:41:09,969 --> 00:41:12,138
You know
what you're arrested for.
1011
00:41:12,172 --> 00:41:14,240
Just have a seat in there.
1012
00:41:14,274 --> 00:41:16,076
SHARPEN: Rhonda Richardson
was one of us,
1013
00:41:16,076 --> 00:41:17,777
and so I feel really good
1014
00:41:17,811 --> 00:41:19,946
getting this monster
off the street
1015
00:41:19,979 --> 00:41:23,817
and, who knows, keep him from
doing this to somebody else.
1016
00:41:23,850 --> 00:41:25,552
Down the hall.
1017
00:41:32,525 --> 00:41:35,628
***
1018
00:41:35,662 --> 00:41:39,799
WOMAN: * In the loneness *
1019
00:41:39,833 --> 00:41:42,669
* I will find *
1020
00:41:42,702 --> 00:41:44,804
Man, you ought
to be feeling good.
1021
00:41:44,838 --> 00:41:45,905
I am.
1022
00:41:47,307 --> 00:41:49,709
Robert Clary
is now sitting in jail,
1023
00:41:49,743 --> 00:41:52,846
and it's time to tell
Rhonda's daughter the good news.
1024
00:41:55,115 --> 00:41:57,117
They may have had
some ups and downs,
1025
00:41:57,117 --> 00:41:58,952
but Rhonda was her mom,
1026
00:41:58,985 --> 00:42:00,854
and I know she's gonna be
thrilled to hear this news.
1027
00:42:00,887 --> 00:42:04,858
So, we arrested Robert Clary.
1028
00:42:04,891 --> 00:42:06,860
I knew it.
1029
00:42:06,893 --> 00:42:07,927
SHARPEN: Yep.
1030
00:42:09,095 --> 00:42:11,965
Thank you very much.
1031
00:42:12,065 --> 00:42:15,168
Yeah. What happened to your mom
was horrible,
1032
00:42:15,201 --> 00:42:18,872
and we got
the person responsible.
1033
00:42:18,905 --> 00:42:22,509
- He's sitting in jail.
- Thank you, Gary.
1034
00:42:22,542 --> 00:42:27,080
There's no words. Oh, my God.
I'm just--I'm so happy.
1035
00:42:27,113 --> 00:42:30,350
To finally have justice for her,
1036
00:42:30,383 --> 00:42:33,086
to have that closure...
1037
00:42:35,622 --> 00:42:40,160
to know that the person
responsible is behind bars...
1038
00:42:40,193 --> 00:42:43,997
[sighs]
...it's a big sigh of relief.
1039
00:42:44,097 --> 00:42:46,733
The bond is $750,000.
1040
00:42:46,766 --> 00:42:49,502
He's a habitual offender
looking at 25 to life.
1041
00:42:49,536 --> 00:42:51,404
He's not getting out.
1042
00:42:51,438 --> 00:42:52,906
It's over, Amanda.
1043
00:42:56,910 --> 00:42:59,612
Your mom was a wonderful lady,
1044
00:42:59,646 --> 00:43:04,417
and it's a senseless,
horrible way
1045
00:43:04,451 --> 00:43:06,252
to end her life.
1046
00:43:08,154 --> 00:43:09,456
It's horrible.
1047
00:43:09,489 --> 00:43:11,191
Working on cold cases,
1048
00:43:11,224 --> 00:43:14,094
there are always gonna be things
that you don't know,
1049
00:43:14,127 --> 00:43:16,796
that you can't know,
that you're never gonna know.
1050
00:43:16,830 --> 00:43:19,532
Thank you so much
for taking this on.
1051
00:43:19,566 --> 00:43:22,802
- I know it wasn't easy for you.
- I wish I'd met your mom.
1052
00:43:22,836 --> 00:43:26,740
But what I do know is that
I'm glad we worked this case.
1053
00:43:26,773 --> 00:43:29,776
I'm glad that Rhonda's family
and coworkers can know
1054
00:43:29,809 --> 00:43:31,745
that they finally have
some answers,
1055
00:43:31,778 --> 00:43:35,582
and the best part is that Rhonda
can know, looking down on us,
1056
00:43:35,615 --> 00:43:37,917
that she's finally
gonna get her justice.