- Tonight, the my seanna crew reunite.
- She wants to know why you took the job
if you were so miserable.
- Go (bleep) yourself? - I would like to say--
exactly-- go (bleep) yourself.
- We're busting this season wide open.
- Oh, man.
- Would you bring back eddie as first officer again?
- There were such lapses at the most inopportune times.
- All we did was come at you with love.
- Love? [indistinct] with that. I'm sorry.
- Don't lie. Man up and say what you did!
You're sitting here lying to me!
- Rayna. Rayna, I'm not-- can I speak for a second
now, rayna? - No.
- The below deck reunion starts now.
- Welcome to the below deck season 9 reunion.
I'm andy cohen, ready to mix it up
with the my seanna crew,
like they're a chicken curry platter
that someone stuck in a blender.
So without further ado, let's welcome the yachties.
First up, it's the stud of the sea, captain lee rosbach.
Hey, captain lee.
- Good evening, andy. How you doin'?
- Great! And, he rocks it on deck
almost as hard as he rocks an alexander hamilton wig--
- it's alexander hamilton!
- Say hi to first officer eddie lucas.
Hey, eddie. - Hey, andy. How you doin'?
- Good to see you. Up next,
she ran a tight ship without taking any lip,
it's chief stew, heather chase.
Hey, heather! - Hi, andy!
- Nice to see you. And speaking of,
she's got a mouth like a sailor,
so I guess she's in the right line of work.
It is the fabulous chef rachel hargrove.
Hi, rachel! - Hi, andy.
Hi, everyone. - Please welcome two-thirds
of the most infamous throuple to hit the high seas.
Deckhand rayna lindsey. Hi, rayna!
- Hi, andy. How are you?
- Great! And, second stew,
fraser olender. Hey, fraser.
- Hi, andy. How are you?
- Great to see you. And finally,
I'm hoping their wifi connection today
is more successful than their love connection onboard.
Give it up for deckhand wes o'dell.
Hi, wes! - Hey!
- And third stew jessica albert.
Hi, jessica!
- Hi, andy!
- A little bit later, we're gonna be joined
by kaylee, and jake was unfortunately
not able to join us today,
which I am personally very sad about.
Um, fraser,
did you know how much you talked to yourself,
you know, just muttered to yourself
before seeing yourself on the show?
- Nobody wants me to get sour, trust me.
- It's been quite an eye-opening year for me.
I didn't know I did half the things I do,
but to watch it back is haunting, worrying,
but equally, uh, sometimes quite funny.
So, I'm not too embarrassed.
- Rayna, were you aware that you were an eye roller
before the show haened?
- Most definitely. 100 percent.
I mean, I used to get grounded growing up
for eye rolling, so-- - is that true?
- All the time! Like, my dad used to be like,
I'm gonna pop those eyes outta your head.
So, like, all the time.
Something I've always done. It's terrible.
Um, I'm trying though. I'm trying.
- That's funny. That is funny.
Uh, well this season, the crew wasted no time
turning my seanna into a love boat.
Including below deck's first guy-on-guy makeout sessions.
I wanna re-visit the hot and heavy moments
between the yachties.
Just tell us who you'd like to make out with
at the table.
Jess, jess, jess, jess!
[cheering]
- I was [indistinct] at you.
- Oh, my god, three-way.
[exclaiming]
[overlapped chatter]
- jake is very attractive
and I might have a little crush.
- If you guys hook-up, can I watch, please?
- Hey, bitches. - Yeah!
- Love you. Muah!
- Excuse me? - Jake is a ----in' pig,
who is now ----ing rayna.
- How much of norbit did you guys wind up watching?
- Fraser? - Too much.
Far too much.
- Too much? That's what you said?
- Yeah, no. Um, I didn't watch much of it.
You guys were really into it.
But I needed to get out and I did,
and I-- and I made a good call.
- At least he didn't say not enough.
- I know, exactly. - Right.
- Fraser, why-why did you feel like you needed to get out?
- There were things going on, on both sides of me.
- Yes. - And, um, you know,
it was wonderful. It was a lovely little cuddle,
but, you know, everything's got its expiring date.
And it expired for me.
- Uh, rayna, angela s. Said,
"why did you talk about how bad you were being treated
by your boss, jake, but ultimately ended up
almost sleeping with him still
after finding out he was engaged."
- well, jake's not engaged. It was for a green card.
- Right. - Let's be--
let's be clear on that. - Yes.
- And I even talked to her on the phone
on the boat as well.
That was very clear.
And, I think me and jake are great outside of working,
but on-- working together just doesn't really work.
- By the way,
I can't imagine that that green card marriage
is gonna work after proclaiming on television
that it is a green card marriage.
- She's not my girlfriend. She's my mate.
She needs a british passport.
- Ah!
- I was pretty surprised when he openly admitted that
on television.
I was like, well there goes the green card.
- Right. - I was like...
- Eddie, is there any news about you and your girlfriend?
She got her green card, right?
- Yeah, well she got it while she was living up in new york.
You know, of her being from brazil,
and, uh, and- and half japanese,
you know, she had to get- get a, uh,
her citizenship actually.
And, uh, things are goin' really well.
- Wow.
Um, fraser, stephanie from seattle said,
"looking back at the airing of the show,
"do you regret your sexually charged interactions with jake
"or would you do it all over again, given the chance?"
- I'd do it all over again. We had an amazing season.
And jake and I are friends
as I've specified on so many occasions,
but no, it's all fun and games.
I don't regret anything.
- We got a lot of viewer questions wanting to know
fraser if the two of you ever did wind up hooking up.
- Oh, that's good.
- Okay, um...
- Just gonna skirt around that question.
- Jess, brandon l. Thinks you and wes would make
such a cute couple.
Was he the person you were first attracted to
when you initially joined the boat?
- I mean, I think that it was all-in-all
a pretty attractive crew.
But yes, I did find wes attractive.
- Wes, do you regret not going in for the kiss
with jess this season when you had the chance?
- Um, yeah.
Um, I just wanted to make sure that was something
that she wanted to do as well.
- Well done.
Okay, I wanna move on. Well this season,
heather ran the interior department
with an iron fist,
but that didn't stop all the stews
from running their mouths about each other.
Take a look.
[sighing]
- I'm running on nothing.
- Fraser, can I get some backup on service?
- Heather needs to place some order
into this chaotic mess.
- Hi! How's it goin'? - Well, not so well.
I still have the trash bags.
- I'm so sorry.
This is such a rookie mistake.
- I wanted to discuss about jess for a bit.
She's just, like, moping around,
and just like, she's pure misery.
- There's, like, all eyes on you right now.
And training day is, like, over with.
It's coming to the point of like, the last straw.
I just really need jess to understand that
there's no room for errors anymore.
We need to show up or ship out.
- I'm really sorry,
and I hate to put you guys in a bad place.
I have to go. I need to leave.
Obviously, I'm leaving them pretty high and dry,
I get it, but at the end of the day,
I come first.
- We're, um, getting my stew for my boat in florida.
- I feel threatened.
I just worry that it's just gonna disrupt the balance.
- That's ----ing bullsh--.
- Nice to meet you. How are you doing?
- Nice to meet you. I'm kaylee.
- Can I see you, kaylee? Sorry, I'm very sweaty.
She can stay very much in the laundry and cabins.
I'll be behind the bar, kaylee.
We are now being joined by third stew, kaylee milligan.
Welcome, kaylee! - Hey, andy!
- Thanks for joining us. - Hey, everyone.
Thanks for having me. - Hi, kaylee.
- Um, lee, daryl t., uh, wants to know if you think
the guest critiques of the housekeeping
in the beginning of the season
was an indicator that the interior team
wasn't up to par, or were they just
getting used to working together?
I think it was moreso the fact of them
getting used to working together,
as opposed to their ability to get the job done.
I think everybody that was onboard was--
was very, very qualified.
- Marilyn m., uh, has a question for you, jess.
She wants to know why you took the job
if you were so miserable.
She said you were miserable from the start.
Why even bother? - Go (bleep) yourself.
- What I would like to say is-- - seriously.
- Exactly, go (bleep) yourself. - Seriously, karen, bye!
No one has time for karens.
[laughing] - no, but honestly,
none of us-- well, I would say most of us
did not know what we were getting ourselves into.
I come from a private yachting world
where I'm a sole stewardess on a yacht, by myself.
And so, quite frankly, the whole production experience
of this really hindered my ability
to do my job successfully.
My anxiety was through the roof
with cameras being on us 24/7.
It was just too much for me to handle,
my body to handle, and I just wasn't reacting well
in the-- in the situation.
- Heather, how was it for you?
- The first few days when the cameras were around you,
it was difficult, but after that,
it was like, you know, you're just dancing
around them, and they kinda just disappeared into the background.
So it was pretty easy. - Jess, leslie o. Said
after watching the show back, how did you feel about
heather saying she wanted to put pressure on you
by putting you on service?
Do you think she was trying to break you?
- I'm gonna put a little pressure on jess.
- Okay. - And I'd love to put her
on service and you on laundry. - Okay.
- I wanna see if a little excitement
might bring her out of her shell.
- Yeah, that's not a bad thought, actually.
- I don't think that you try and put pressure
on someone when you know that they're under a lot of stress.
I think that you try and help them eliminate that,
so I think that she was obviously setting me up
for failure, but...
To each their own, I really couldn't care less.
- Do you really think that that's true, jess?
- Coming up...
- All we did was come at you with love.
- There was no love,
so back the (bleep) up with that. I'm sorry.
No.
♪♪
- I think she was obviously setting me up for failure.
But, to each their own. I really couldn't care less.
- Do you really think that that's true, jess?
- No way. I couldn't--
- you said-- - there's no way that's true.
- I wanna put pressure-- - I sat there and asked you--
- you wanna put pressure on jess. Your words.
- Yeah, I said that to fraser. - It's your words,
and you can't take them back. - But what about the words
that y and I had when you said,
"yeah, getting out of laundry might be nice,
"and I really wanna go to the beach."
and, you know what? You can sit here and say
you came as a solo stew from a boat like that,
but you've seen the show.
You know this isn't a solo stew gig.
You know a lot was gonna be asked of you.
And you said you were depressed in the laundry,
so I said, "do you wanna change of scenery?"
and you volunteered yourself to be on surface.
My confidential conversation with fraser
about putting pressure on you was in a way that
we were tired of picking up after you so much that it was
time that he felt reassured that I was doing something,
and that we weren't gonna have to keep doing your job for you.
- What good would it be for heather to set her own team
up for failure? I mean, for me, that's just absurd.
And it wasn't the case at all.
We wanted to change things up.
We wanted to get jess' mood up,
and-and-- this was heather's idea.
I had nothing to do with it.
So there was no conspiring there.
There was no teaming.
- There was a lot of conversation
between heather and fraser behind my back
that I was privy to, and to be dancing around a boat
knowing that these conversations are taking place,
and then having heather only have conversations
with me when a-- when a camera was present,
was just-- it-it-- everything--
- there's cameras present 24/7!
That is so false. I asked you so many times
to your face how I could be a better leader.
- What did I say about you? - What I could do better
for you. And you would sit there and say
"I'm fine, I'm fine." and-- - you would, yeah.
- You never would tell me to my face how I could be
a better leader. - We didn't know
how you were feeling, ever. - So please, I beg of you,
do not sit here and act like we did not try.
There was no bullying you.
All we did was come at you with love,
and you just kept pretending like nothing was wrong
to my face, which seems-- - love? Heather, love?
- To be a common-- - heather, you didn't
talk to me, ever. So there was no love.
So back the (bleep) up with that, I'm sorry.
No. - Jess, sara d. Wants to know
if there was anything heather could've done differently
to make you finish out the season,
or were you just so over it?
- I really wanted to finish this out,
however, I had lost 15 pounds from the moment that
I had stepped onboard. - Wow.
- I was not about to let what that does to somebody
emotionally and mentally play out on camera.
- Mmm. - I needed to leave,
for my own peace of mind. And I'm sorry that that
put everyone in a predicament, but that was where I was at.
- I would like to say that...
After all of this season has happened, and I've dealt
with those repercussions of the anxiety since filming
in a different way, and I'm sorry I couldn't
support you better. I'm sorry with all the drama
that did go down. I learned a lot
looking back at this season, and...
I just felt I owed you an apology, and I wish you
nothing but the best.
- Thank you, and I appreciate that.
And I'm sorry that I wasn't more open
with how I was feeling with my anxiety, but--
again, that was something that I was trying to ignore
because I didn't want it to be a topic.
I'm sorry that I couldn't finish it out with everyone.
- What are you doing now, jess?
- So I work in sales and catering
for a historic resort in southwest florida,
a very beautiful beach resort,
and I'm very happy doing it.
- Cool. Congratulations. - Mm-hmm. Thank you.
- Um, kaylee, shawn t. Wants to know
what the mood was like
when you joined the cruise so late in the charter season.
Watching it back, did-did seeing fraser's reaction
to when he learned you were joining the crew
come as a shock?
- I mean, you know what? It did initially,
but he apologized. He came to me.
He apologized for the things that he said
and the insecurity that he was feeling before I came on.
- Um, ronnie f. Wants to know why it was such a big deal
for heather to bring on her friend
on the deck team, fraser.
Don't you want more help on the team?
- Oh, of course. I never doubted needing help.
I just felt a little bit-- not-not betrayed,
but I just didn't feel like I was in the loop,
and with a team of two, my lord,
does there need to be full communication.
And-- but, you know-- - oh, my gosh, yeah, fraser.
- Everything turned out.
- Yeah, I'm so sorry I didn't tell you sooner.
- Jess and kaylee, um, kevin h. Said,
"on 'watch what happens live,' fraser said heather's tone
"was cold and blunt,
"and never delivered orders in a nice way.
"do you guys agree?" jess?
- You know, I think heather is a fantastic chief stewardess,
and I think that sometimes, personalities just clash.
- Kaylee? - I think, you know,
when you're in the middle of a charter season,
you gotta get stuff done,
so if it comes off a little bitchy,
I don't know, you just gotta do it.
- I mean, I'll be the first to admit,
sometimes my delivery is not like,
"oh, my god, let's go do beds and heads.
"if you could really cut those lines in a circle,
"that'd be great!"
but that's why I don't teach kindergarten,
and I do know
that I'm definitely not a cheerleader 24/7.
- All right, well, we are gonna leave it there,
uh, and, kaylee, we're gonna say goodbye to you.
Thanks for joining us. - Thanks for having me, guys.
Coming up, chef rachel's in the hot seat.
We're gonna be right back
with more of the "below deck" reunion.
Lee, who do you think is-is truly to blame
for the problems the deck crew experienced this season?
We are back with the "below deck" reunion.
During the break, we actually had a really nice moment.
Rayna, you just revealed,
if you're comfortable saying it...
- Yeah, well, definitely.
I am two months sober of alcohol.
God is so good. I am loving it.
I'm super happy. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
- And eddie, you asked her...
- I-I asked, uh, you know, if there was something
that-that caused it, you know, if there was a reason,
because while we were working together,
I never saw an issue with her drinking.
And so I was just curious, uh, of what--
what made the change.
- I just-- I have a lot of childhood trauma,
and, like, issues that I just want to deal with,
and I'm tried of, like, running from, like,
you know, having depressive episodes,
or feeling, um, just not 100%.
Uh, so I'm taking the plunge
to make sure that I am 100%, so yeah.
- Well done. Well done. - Thank you.
- And did you say rachel had some influence over that, rayna?
- She had a huge influence.
Um, we were in the hotel after we got done filming.
She told me, like, you know, this is the time
where you need to face your demons.
U need to fight those battles.
You need to stop running.
You know, like, this is the time that you need to do it.
And that conversation has stuck with me ever since.
Rachel, you know I love you so much,
and I appreciate you
and everything that you've helped me out with, so yeah.
- That's so nice. - Thank you.
- Well, late season,
it seemed like rachel was either overserved
or grumbling about stews who under-communicate,
but for the most part,
her job performance this year was perfectly well done.
Take a look.
- Bitch face focused. Comin' in hot.
There's ----ing hair in here. Oh, no, it's mint.
- Chelsea will be coming aboard with her jaw wired shut.
- We tried, like, whatever we're eating to liquefy it
and see how it goes
so she can enjoy the same stuff we're having.
- Like, what the (bleep)?
We need to get chelsea food, like, right now.
(bleep) what the (bleep)?
- She's allergic to shell fish,
and then pete doesn't like cheese.
- I'm about to lose my sh--. - How's it tasting?
- I mean, I have put on my preference sheet
a million times,
no cooked fish-- shell fish.
- [indistinct] from something that's happened prior,
and it's just compiled into, you know,...
- Lee, um, chef rachel had an amazing season this season.
Um, can you say, out of all of the staff that you've had,
that she has redeemed herself the most
from kind of the way that you started
to how she's, uh, how she's progressed?
- Yeah, we-we definitely had a couple of speed bumps,
to say the least,
but, uh, the way she came back this year
was just truly, truly remarkable,
and I-I'm still amazed
at her command of her craft.
- Thank you, captain. - Nice.
Um, rachel, how do you explain cooking lobster
for the guest that didn't want cooked fish?
- I don't do raw lobster. [laughter]
- raw lobster? - Does anybody?
- But, I mean, what about just not making fish?
- Well, I mean, shellfish and fish, to me,
is completely different, you know?
- Right. Right. - Right?
- Sorry. I mean, it is different, you know?
I've never met anybody who's been like, hey.
It's not the same thing to me, you know?
But, I mean, whatever.
We-we rebounded from it, you know? I mean--
it's all good.
- Listen, speaking of rebounding,
seeing the guest with her jaw wired shut
was a wild ride.
What do you think was the weirdest thing
that you served her pureed?
- Ooh, that's a good question. - Oh, man.
Um, it's blended oysters.
- Blend-- it was oysters? Pureed oysters?
- Oh, my god, it was so bad. - Just all of it.
I just can't do it. I guess it was just like--
I just thought to myself, like, I've had problems
where I've had to hock up stuff before
and hold it in my mouth,
but that was the equivalent of it.
[laughing]
- um, I'm-I'm wondering if the crew thinks--
do you agree with captain lee
that rachel is the best yacht chef that you've worked with?
Fraser's nodding, rayna, eddie, wes.
Wow, you're all-- wow! - She's insane.
She's incredible. - The things that
that woman pulls... - She's a ----ing queen.
- ...In the middle of a service, like, even all her tasting menus
were out of this world,
and I just sat in amazement at what she could put together
in such a short amount of time.
You know, I've known chefs who need hours to prep for that,
and rachel just pulls it out of the air,
and it's the most incredible experience to watch her,
and on top of that,
she was feeding us incredible food, too.
- So, rachel, did you end up buying that bus
and touring around the country?
- I did buy the bus. I did.
It's a 40-foot thomas with a cummins engine
and allison transmission
with only 89,000 miles on it, baby.
- Oh, hell, yeah! - Hell, yeah.
- Wow. Coming up--
would you bring back eddie as first officer again?
There were such lapses.
- Welcome back. I'm andy cohen,
reuniting with the "my seanna" crew from "below deck."
well, despite eddie's best efforts
to keep the deck crew in line,
his crew was plagued
by constant eff ups this season.
I want to take a look back
at "my seanna's" deckhand dysfunction. Watch.
- What was that? (bleep) - oh, hell, no.
- Cushions! Cushions! Cushions! - John? John? John?
Wes? Hey, we lost a couple cushions
as we just left anchorage.
- Oh, you lost a big one. - Don't tell me
I'm gonna have to go back and get ----ing cushions.
That's gonna upset me. - I'm really ----ing serious.
No more (bleep) ups. Hey, wes!
You need to attach it to your stern
so you get more ----ing pull.
- He is not gettin' it. - God damn it.
- The bar is up here. You guys are down here.
Way down here.
This is your final wake-up call. - Is something wrong?
- No, I haven't said anything.
- No, you don't have to say anything.
Your eyes were rolling to the back of your head.
- I've been working my ass off all day.
I'm just over it. - Everybody on the deck team,
including jake, needs to step it up.
Otherwise, captain lee is going to rip our soul out
through our butts.
- So, rayna, what were your first impressions of eddie
as a-- as a first officer?
- Um, I love everything about eddie.
Had the-- have the utmost respect for him.
Um, I thought his opinion and everything--
anything how he felt, you know,
I respect it, so, yeah.
- Um, it was a bumpy season for the deck crew.
Lee, who do you think is-is truly to blame
for the problems that they experienced this season?
- Well, ultimately, the blame lies with me.
And it's up to me to observe and--
and recognize the problems that they're having...
And take care of 'em.
- Eddie, do you think jake
was ultimately a good lead deckhand,
or did he let the role go to his head
and unnecessarily boss rayna and wes around?
- Uh, when he did get in the position,
he might have got a little big for his britches at first.
I think he was, uh, you know, just--
just got a little ahead of himself.
- Obviously, because he didn't wear his britches that often.
[laughter] - isn't that the truth?
- That was so-- oh, perfect timing.
- But at the end of the day, you know,
I think he became a great-- a good leader, you know.
- Um, rayna, kathy m. Wants to know,
"why did you sign up for this?
"it seems like you don't like being called out or corrected
"and roll your eyes constantly."
- why did I sign up for this? What are--
what's her name? Kathy? - Yeah, kathy m. Kathy m.
Tell her. - Well--
[laughs]
I love you. Well, the thing is, my issue is,
like, context to all this, you know?
Like, when captain lee asked us to do the gas, for example.
- Hey, guys, just a reminder, as soon as you're done,
[indistinct] - sick.
- Cue the eye roll.
- Yeah. Did you see it? - Uh-huh. Sure did.
If I see it again, it's gonna be an issue.
- I-- out of everyone that was standing there,
and wes can sit here and vouch for this,
I was the one person not talking sh--.
I was-- they were talking about penises,
and that's why I was rolling my eyes.
I love yachting. I love it.
- Wes, what do you say? - Yeah, I was joking with her.
I was like, so we have one person filling the tank,
one person holding the rag, and, you know,
we're just standing there, like,
all right, what's the third person do?
I didn't expect captain lee to ever hear,
so sorry about that.
I was just finding a little humor and getting through it.
- No, no. No need to apologize.
- Eddie, what do you say?
- Captain lee gets to walk around and be grumpy,
because it's captain.
He's the top of the chain.
He doesn't have to roll his eyes at anybody,
because there's nobody above him.
Uh, if I rolled my eyes at captain lee,
he would take that as a-a sign of disrespect.
Uh, you know, if anybody else, you know,
rolled their eyes at me, it's the same-same way.
It's a-- it's a disrespectful thing to do.
- Lee, what was your overall take on the deck crew,
uh, this season?
Did they improve over time?
Would you bring back eddie as first officer again?
- They did improve over time, and--
but it was just--
there were such lapses
at-at the most inopportune times
that just like-- that were just glaring.
Eddie was in a new role,
and a difficult-- that's a difficult transition to make
from-from deck crew to first officer.
That's hard. That's really hard,
because your plate just went from half-empty
to overflowing.
It's a hard transition to do.
- And, eddie, what are you up to now?
- Uh, still in baltimore.
Still running tugboats as the first officer
in baltimore harbor, and just, uh, having a good time.
Tug life, you know?
- Tug life. #tuglife.
[overlapping chatter]
all right, we're gonna leave it there.
We're gonna be right back. Coming up...
What was your point in asking her about it?
To sabotage her? Or what was your point?
- If-if I asked about--
if-if I asked about this...
- We are back with more
of the "below deck" season nine reunion.
I'm andy cohen.
Well, one of the most dramatic moments of this season
actually happened off the vessel.
During a crew night out, heather used the n-word,
a word that white people should never say
under any circumstances ever.
Let's take a look back at what happened
and the aftermath,
and we'll discuss on the other side.
- Hello. [indistinct] we're here.
She thought it was cool, and it hurts me.
It hurts my heart. It hurts everything in me.
- You know, you can't say those things.
Try to separate what's happening personally
with what's happening on deck.
- The lesson here is, yeah, it should never be ----ing said,
regardless of my way to create a friendship.
It was so wrongly done.
- I just wanted you to know that I'm not that person at all,
and I just want to apologize for that whole situation.
- I appreciate the apology. I don't want you to feel upset.
I just want us to, like, move in a positive direction.
Do you get what I mean? - I am so sorry.
- Come here. Come here. It's okay.
- Because you're beautiful-- - if she wanted to apologize,
she could've apologized after the sh-- happened.
Just over it. Like, absolutely over it.
- I was kind of looking for you for help,
and you kind of shrugged it off, so that made me feel like,
"oh, I can't even really trust him about--"
- I hope you know that's not the case.
I do not have any patience for that whatsoever.
- Mmm-hmm. - Can you trust me?
- We shall see.
- You didn't feel like I backed you up or supported you,
and I am so sorry for that.
Would you like if I grabbed heather
and we just killed this thing. - No.
- Okay, if you don't feel comfortable talking to her,
then I will respect that.
- I don't know why she has such an attitude with me.
- I don't like white people who say (bleep)
and that's why I don't respect you.
- You told me that everything was okay.
- I've been sitting here being calm, cool, and collected
this whole season, trying not to, like, stir things
and not to be, like, the angry black person,
but there's only so much I can handle.
- So, um, heather, what was your initial reaction
when you saw the footage of what happened
with you and rayna during that night out?
- Honestly, I was appalled.
It was extremely embarrassing.
There was no right for me to parrot her at all.
I don't even know what was going through my mind,
and at the end of the day, there's really no excuse for it.
- Rayna, there was a lot of social media commentary
about you accepting heather's apologies a couple times,
and then continuing to talk to others about it.
You and I have talked about this a little bit.
- Yeah. - So, I just want you
to re explain it.
Tell me, what kept you from telling heather
what you really felt?
- The first night, you know, I stated how I just didn't--
it wasn't okay. I stated how it wasn't okay.
I didn't feel like, honestly, the apology was genuine.
I accepted it because I just wanted to work,
like, cordially, and I don't think people understand
that position of being, like, the only african-american woman
and having to deal with something
that, like, is so uncomfortable,
but you also feel like you are the burden.
- The other thing that I thought was really interesting
is that you-you talked about the trope
of the angry black woman and not wanting
to kind of feed into that trope, and that that
was on your mind while shooting. Tell me about that again.
- If I would've, like, snapped off,
then what would I have been called? Ghetto?
Like, oh, like-- you know what I mean?
And then when I try to shake things off,
it's like, "oh, I'm fake." it doesn't matter
what I do, because I'm still called angry--
- it's a-it's a no win - every black woman stereotype.
It's a no win, and it's really frustrating, you know?
- Um, keisha p. Emailed,
"eddie, uh, when rayna first came to you to tell you
that heather said the n-word, your reaction
came across as dismissive, uh, but you later seemed
to take it much more seriously.
What was your reaction to seeing
your initial conversation with her play back?
- As you can see in the conversation, you know,
I did say, when rayna told me-- is that that was not okay,
what heather said, and rayna was completely justified
in feeling angry and feeling upset,
and everything like that.
The truest thing rayna said, not to me,
but off camera, you know, in her room, was that
I don't understand, and she's absolutely right.
I don't understand.
I never will understand, you know?
And the only thing I can do is take rayna at her word,
and if she says everything's okay, and if she doesn't want
to escalate this, and she doesn't want to take it further,
then I have to respect her, and that's how I can take it,
but I-I am sorry for rayna not feeling that I was an ally,
that I was a friend, and that she couldn't come to me,
and be honest with me,
and tell me how she was truly feeling,
because it's important to me to be that person for rayna
and to be that leader,
and I'm sorry for that.
- Do you really, like-- do you believe that?
It's more than heather - I mean-- I-I don't--
- you tried to-- it's-- no, let me finish. Let me finish.
It's more-- you can't sit here
and try to say it now, because I'm going to.
I didn't feel comfortable for a lot of different instances.
Okay? Eddie apologized to me three times.
The first time he apologized to me, you know what he did?
He says, "well, but you say the f-word when you're drunk."
so, he tried to sit here and make it seem
like because I say the f-word when I'm drunk,
that excuses what he and heather did,
and I said, "well, yeah, I say (bleep) all the time.
Like, I'm grown. I can say (bleep)."
he says, "no, you say (bleep) when you drunk."
and did that, and had the audacity to say,
"do you trust me?" afterwards, to try to make it seem
like I was saying derogatory terms as well,
and I would never. My sister is gay.
When I graduated college, I walked down the aisle
with the president of the lgbtq community, and it's crazy.
So, that's why I go cry after he tries to have me do the anchor,
and that's why I feel all these certain type of ways.
You cannot do that. You tried to ruin me, eddie.
Do you get that?
You tried to-- you tried to ruin me, for what?
- Eddie, what-what do you--
- I mean, I don't--
I don't really remember the whole conversation.
You know, that was a year ago.
If I did-- - I heard it.
He said, "but I hear you say--"
- can I speak for a second now, rayna?
I think it's-- - no.
- So, if-if I asked that you used that word,
I don't understand why it's wrong for me to ask
about if you use that word, because if I-- I didn't just--
I wouldn't just say that just to try to frame you,
or something like that. I would never do that, ever.
I guess what she's saying is--
- no, he said he heard it himself.
He said he heard it himself. He said, "I--".
- No, I--
- he said, "but I hear you say the f-word when you're drunk."
he said, "no, no, no." he argued with me back and forth.
Back and forth about the situation.
"no, you do." I said, "no, I didn't. I'd never."
back and forth.
My heart is too big to sit here and try to ruin people,
but to sit here and lie, eddie? Don't lie.
Man up and say what you did.
You're sitting here lying to me, and that's crazy!
- I-I'm not lying.
If I said it to you, if I asked you about it.
I don't understand what's wrong with me asking--
- your point in asking her about it-- what-what--
was your point in her asking her about to sabotage her
or what was your point in asking her?
- If-if I asked about this-- - [scoffs]
- let me finish rayna, please. If I asked about this,
my point is, why should I ask if you're using a derogatory term,
and what's the difference between heather
using a derogatory term.
If it's-it's okay-- - you didn't ask me.
- For me to-- is it okay for me to go to heather and ask her
if she used the n-word because that benefits you?
But if you use the f-word, it's not okay,
because that's gonna hurt you?
- You didn't ask me.
You sat there and said that I said this.
- This girl is over here saying the n-word
all nonchalantly all night.
- I did not hear her say it once, all night,
but I have heard you say the f-word a few times,
and you need to watch that. - Like, what do you mean?
Like, when we're working alone?
- Like homophobia. Like homophobic f-word.
- I've never in my life said that, never.
- Really? - Never.
- I think I've heard it.
- I've never in my life. - Okay.
- Never. I'd never say that.
That's not even in my vocabulary.
- Okay. - Look, I know that's not true.
- All right, well, I-I-- you've been drunk a few times,
and I've heard it, but it's okay.
Maybe it wasn't you. - I don't believe that.
- I was told production was unable to corroborate the story,
and there was one mention of it on camera,
and that is why they chose not to include it on the show.
- I'm sure. I'm sure. I'm sure.
And my issue is, like, for-- like I'm saying--
- no, no, rayna, it's that you didn't--
the corroboration was that you didn't say the word.
- Okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- Material girl. I love you. Okay? Material girl.
But the whole point of it is that eddie still tried to use it
to, like, say that I said it. You get what I mean?
And he thought that was gonna slide.
- Okay, I wanna move on. I wanna move forward,
because I have more questions about this.
Heather, ellen l. Said,
"after seeing rayna's conversation with wes
"about how she didn't want to come off
"as an aggressive black woman,
"do you now have a better understanding
"of why she was sending mixed messages
"by saying things were fine, and they clearly weren't?"
- I wish I would have known her true feelings
so I could have acted accordingly
and given her her space.
She has every right to feel the way she does,
and I am at fault for that. No one else.
- Heather, like, I wish nothing but the best for you,
and I don't think you're racist.
And I think people are, like, delusional
in that way.
Like, the fact that people are even calling you racist--
I think it's a lack of-- like, I think it's ignorance.
You get what I mean?
- No, I agree. It's ignorance.
- Eddie, kathy c. Said, "on 'watch what happens live,'
"rayna said that you reacted more strongly
"when she called out heather
"for sticking her finger in the crew dinner
"than when she told him that heather said the n-word."
how do you respond to that?
- Uh, I don't think that's really true.
I mean, there's a lot that happened that we didn't see
about me going to captain lee
and talking to him about what happened between heather,
um, and, you know, the whole thing--
and the fingers in the food, I mean,
she used a piece of bread to scoop up some sauce.
I mean, I-it really wasn't that big a deal.
- But I'll even be the first to say that, yeah,
that was messed up.
I'll be the first to say, yeah, that's gross,
and I probably would have had the same reaction.
- Let me ask you this. Did you double dip?
I was wondering, did she double dip?
- No. No. - Because I would be really--
- you did double dip, girl.
[overlapping chatter]
- oh, rayna, it was a double dip?
- I don't know. Play back the footage.
To my knowledge, I never double--
that's a gross thing. - Heather, if it was
a double dip, man. - It was a double dip, girl.
And I was lookin' at heather, and I was starin' at heather,
like, girl-- - you know what?
It was nine months ago. I can't remember.
- Do not double dip. - You're fine, heather.
You're fine. - Okay, um, captain lee,
um, what's your take on the whole situation
on everything that went down?
- Heather apologized.
The apology was accepted.
Now does that mean that it was handled perfectly?
No, I-I don't believe that.
But there's been a thorough investigation
and interviews with the entire yacht crew,
and several members of the, uh, production team
who were all involved in it,
and at the conclusion, it was determined
that no further action was required.
I-I think that's a basis for us to move forward
and try to do better in the future.
- Did you and rayna ever get a chance to discuss
what happened between the two of you?
- Um...
- All right, we are back,
and before we jump ship from season nine,
I have a few more questions.
Wes, chelsea t. Said, "your attempt
"to diffuse the situation with heather
"really bl up in your face."
- walk the (bleep) away. - You should understand!
- I do understand. - Shut the (bleep) up!
- Shut the (bleep) up, wes! - I'm not gonna
shut the (bleep) up, because-- - your stupid white ass.
You're white just like these mother----ers.
- The one person that you got-- - you're not black though.
- See? Get the (bleep) out. I don't--
I don't appreciate that sh--. - Did you and rayna
ever get a chance to discuss what happened
between the two of you after the season ended
and-and where are the two of you now?
- Um, not fully.
I would love to discuss it further,
um, more in private.
Yeah, it did-- it did hurt.
I mean, but-- I mean, no--
I-I get it all the time.
Like, the half black thing, the "you're not black" thing,
that kind of stuff.
And so I get it. It's all right. It's all right.
I mean, I'm still here for her if she wants.
Um, everybody makes mistakes.
Everybody needs to learn from their mistakes.
And for everybody watching,
please let this be a teachable moment,
because it's not acceptable,
any derogatory term
for anybody that's a part of the disenfranchised,
not just african american, but anybody.
- Well, heather and rayna, I'm wondering, um,
final thoughts from you
about what you learned from all this.
I-I'm gonna let you go first, heather,
and then I'll go to you, rayna.
- The word should've never, ever been used, at all.
And, you know what? At the end of the day,
it's probably one of the biggest regrets of my life,
and the shameful thing is
that context is everything,
but there's no excuse,
and it's something I live with,
and, rayna, whether you think it's genuine or not,
from the bottom of my heart,
I am so sorry that I did this and this happened,
and that I spoke a word I should have never spoken,
and from there, I just... - Okay.
- ...Keep trying to grow and be a better person.
- Rayna, final thought from you?
- Um, this whole experience was just, like, a lot.
Like, it was a lot, and, um, I just--
it was-- it was hard. Like, all of it was just hard.
And heather, I just want-- all I want heather to know
is that I don't hate you.
You know what I mean?
I don't want anything bad to happen to you
or anything like that.
I wish nothing but the best for you.
- Um, lee, bonnie u. Wants to know who on the crew
demonstrated the best work ethic
during your time on the boat.
Who gets your gold star tonight?
- I'm gonna hand that to wes.
- Oh, wow! To wes!
- Wes kept his-his head down,
kept his-his focus,
and he just did what he had to do.
He, you know, he accepted the errors that he had,
and he just went forward,
and so, I mean, I can't ask any--
any more than that,
and I just wish wes all the continued success
that I know he's gonna have
in the, uh, in the virgin islands,
'cause he's gonna make a hell of a captain.
He is a captain. He's gonna make a--
- he is a captain.
- Go, wes!
- Thank you, captain.
I-I really do appreciate that,
and, uh, it means a lot to me.
Thank you.
- Um, fraser, you are a chief stew now.
What's the biggest lesson you've learned?
- You know, um, it's about--
I mean, heather told me this early days as well.
It's all about the bigger picture.
Um, I'm quite used to just honing in on one issue
and that being my world
and it just tearing me down,
but every small step in yachting,
and every piece of advice you get given is--
it's all-- it's all contributing towards a bigger picture,
and, um, and, yeah.
That's excellent, heather. Thank you.
- Um, well, I want to thank the crew of "my seanna"
for being here
and for a wild charter season.
I'm andy cohen. Good night, everybody.