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GATES: I'm
Henry Louis Gates, Jr.

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Welcome to
"“Finding Your Roots."”

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In this episode,

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we'll meet actor
Joe Manganiello and

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football star Tony Gonzalez.

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Two men who are searching
for their lost ancestors...

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MANGANIELLO: I looked
through so many records and

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I couldn't find anything.

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GONZALEZ: Just
figuring out who you are,

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where you come from,
how it all came together...

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I feel liberated, a little bit.

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GATES: Yeah.

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To uncover their roots,

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we've used every
tool available...

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Genealogists combed through
paper trails stretching back

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hundreds of years,

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while DNA experts
utilized the latest advances

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in genetic analysis to
reveal secrets that have lain

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hidden for generations.

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And we've compiled everything
into a book of life...

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GONZALEZ: Oh, I love it.

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GATES: A record of all
of our discoveries...

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MANGANIELLO: Whoa,
wow, look at that!

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GATES: And a window
into the hidden past.

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GONZALEZ: Wow.

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Where do you guys
find this stuff?

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GATES: Has this story
been passed down in

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your mom's family?

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GONZALEZ: No, no, nobody
knows anything about this.

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MANGANIELLO: I feel
like a time traveler.

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That I gave a small part of me,

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ran it through this
computer and it said step in.

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GATES: Joe and Tony
came to me with questions that

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have haunted
their families for generations.

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Those questions, at last,
are about to be answered.

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In this episode, they're
going to meet ancestors whose

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identities they couldn't
possibly have imagined...

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Hear stories they've only
dreamed of hearing...

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And see, for the
very first time,

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where their roots really lie.

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(theme music plays)

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♪ ♪

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(book closes)

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♪ ♪

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(overlapping chatter)

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MAN: Thanks, Joe.
Appreciate it.

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MAN 2: Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe!

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GATES: Joe Manganiello
looks like he was destined

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to be a star...

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The towering leading man with
the chiseled jaw is a throwback

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to Hollywood's golden era...

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And since 2009,

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with his breakout role
in HBO's "True Blood",

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Joe has been making
good on his promise...

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Creating an array of
memorable characters and

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building a legion of fans.

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But despite appearances,

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Joe isn't living out
a lifelong dream...

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Growing up, his
passion was sports,

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and he came to the stage
in a very circuitous way...

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MANGANIELLO: In sixth grade,

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I sort of got railroaded
into playing "Goliath"

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in a school play.

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And they cast a fifth-grade
girl as David,

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who was going to kill me.

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In sixth grade, it's not
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football team seeing you do.

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But my high school had a TV
studio and they had cameras and

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editing equipment and
teleprompters and things.

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GATES: That's extraordinary.

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MANGANIELLO: Yeah, so,
borrowing the cameras,

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going off and filming,

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I would sleep with a pad
and a pen next to the bed,

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and I would write
dialogue for my friends...

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GATES: Huh.

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MANGANIELLO: And I
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I had another friend
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in different martial arts.

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He would choreograph
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GATES: Really?

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MANGANIELLO: Yeah, it
was a less daunting jump from,

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you know, athletics and, and,
and academics into the arts

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or being, you know,
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That was a little too
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GATES: Right.

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MANGANIELLO: So film
provided that bridge which then

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led to me...

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You know, the high school
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you know, three-sport captain,

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please try out for the high
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I said do I have
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She said just come in
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and that's it.

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And so, I did, and she cast me.

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It gave me the confidence
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the path that I
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GATES: Once Joe
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success followed quickly.

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He graduated
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Carnegie Mellon School of Drama

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in the year 2000, and
just two years later,

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he was cast in Sam Rami's
"Spider-Man"...

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The only thing that
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approach to his own craft,

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which initially involved some
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MANGANIELLO: You know,
I always worshipped, you know,

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these mad artistes.

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Like a lot of the old great
British stage actors you'd

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read about them running out
to the pub during intermission.

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GATES: Yeah.

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MANGANIELLO: Throwing some
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doing the show.

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Um, and I never really,

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I never went that far but, um,
but you know, I definitely tried

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to emulate those guys,

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and what I came to the
realization was that I was not

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going to be those
guys and I was not built to be

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those guys and that
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GATES: Yeah, two
packs of cigarettes a day and

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a bottle of whiskey is not going
to lead to longevity, right?

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MANGANIELLO: No. No.
No, it wasn't.

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I wished it did but it didn't.
Not for me.

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GATES: Joe soon came to accept
that he needed to stop drinking.

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But sobriety was a
challenge all its own,

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and his salvation
ultimately came from a

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very unlikely source...

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A man he met on a job
far from Hollywood...

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MANGANIELLO: I was a
bouncer all through college

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at different clubs
and things like that and so,

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I called a security company
and said do you need anybody?

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And they said, actually, yeah.

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There's a body-guarding
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And, uh, I met a guy
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Lancaster Maximum
Security Men's Prison

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(gasps)

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(laughter).

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And, you know, we
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he had uh, he
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GATES: Hmm.

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MANGANIELLO: And he
was the guy that I called.

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This big former Mexican gang
member, you know, guy who had

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turned his life around
doing Shakespeare in prison.

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GATES: Incredible story.
MANGANIELLO: Yeah.

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GATES: Do you believe in fate?
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GATES: I kind of knew
the answer to that question.

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MANGANIELLO: Yeah, I really do.

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GATES: My second guest
is football legend,

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Tony Gonzalez...

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For 17 straight seasons,
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retiring as the all-time
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and touchdowns by a tight end.

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He's still widely viewed
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ever to play the game,

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so I was surprised to
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come naturally to Tony.

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To the contrary, as a child,

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he feared the very thing
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GONZALEZ: I didn't like contact.

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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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GONZALEZ: I boxed at
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a while and they were like,

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"Hey, do you
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I was like, "No, hell no."

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They could hit me in the face,
I don't wanna get hit.

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And the same thing on the
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big, strong, fast, uh, and I
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GATES: Uh-huh.

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GONZALEZ: And I was the
worst kid on the team.

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You're supposed to get
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If you pay the money.

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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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GONZALEZ: The coach is
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I didn't even get six plays.

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There was games.

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Literally, I wouldn't play, I
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have sports parents.

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So there's nobody to talk
to the coach and be like,

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"Hey, can you get
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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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GONZALEZ: Nobody's telling
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I mean, I rode
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I was there by myself.

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GATES: Mmm.

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GONZALEZ: I'd ride
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Nobody was asking me
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or what are you
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That was nil.

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GATES: But why Tony
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You know, it had
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Frustrating, Right?

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They weren't even playing
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GONZALEZ: I don't know
why I kept going back.

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I would say I maybe
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I was supposed to
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But it kept drawing me back.

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GATES: Football's pull
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fueling an obsessive
work ethic that set him apart

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from his peers when he
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Tony never lost the
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his youthful anxieties.

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And when he made it to the NFL
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help him confront the
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that lay ahead.

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GONZALEZ: When you
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and it's probably this
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welcome to the world of
you're no longer special.

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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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GONZALEZ: Oh,
you run a 4.3, 4.4,

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so does he, so does he,
so does he.

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GATES: Right.

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GONZALEZ: Oh, you
benched 400 pounds,

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so does he, so does he.

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Oh, you're all American?

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GATES: Yeah.

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GONZALEZ: So is he, and
so is he, and so is he.

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So you have to, I think I was
too aware of that, though.

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GATES: Mmm-hmm.

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GONZALEZ: Even to
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confidence sometimes.

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GATES: Mm-hmm, don't you
think we all do at some level?

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GONZALEZ: Yeah, uh, I,
there are certain people

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out there that can be just
so comfortable right away.

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And I can, you might not be
able to tell what's going on...

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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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GONZALEZ: But on the inside,
like I'm thinking, man,

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I have maybe that
imposter syndrome a lot.

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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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GONZALEZ: But to me,
that's life.

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I mean, it's gonna throw
punches at you always.

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GATES: Hmm.

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GONZALEZ: Uh, and
that's part of the process

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that there's no escaping that.

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that is always,

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okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
add fuel to me to make me

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a better person.

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GATES: Hmm.

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GONZALEZ: But it doesn't
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GATES: Tony's ability to
absorb "life's punches" would

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serve him well when
his playing days were over.

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Unlike so many
of his peers who've

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struggled with retirement,
Tony has thrived.

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Launching a second
career as a broadcaster,

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and even branching
out into acting,

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all the while maintaining the
same focus that brought him

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fame on the field.

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GONZALEZ: I think a lot
of people forget what got

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them to the NFL.

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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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GONZALEZ: Because we've
already defied the odds to

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play pro sports.

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I mean, I don't know what
the percentage, it's 0.01%,

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or whatever it is.

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GATES: Right, it's a
miracle to make it.

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GONZALEZ: It's a miracle.

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GATES: Yeah.

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GONZALEZ: Chances are,
you're not, you're not gonna,

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you shouldn't have been
there statistically.

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GATES: Right.

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GONZALEZ: And so, for me,
the struggle comes for these

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guys and myself is like,

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you have to remember
what got you there.

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GATES: Sure.

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GONZALEZ: Like,
if I want to act,

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I have to go through
those growing pains.

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I have to put the
time and the effort in and

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it's going to take time,

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it's gonna take years
in order to be a really,

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really good actor or
years to be a really,

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really good, um, broadcaster
and that's embarrassing.

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GATES: Mm-hmm.

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GONZALEZ: So you're
gonna have to go through

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the embarrassment again,
you're gonna have to go through

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that monotony of daily
focus and boredom.

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You have to be able to
go through that again.

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Most guys aren't willing
to do that anymore,

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'cause you've already arrived.

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You're like, I don't
need to do that again.

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GATES: No, and you have to
study good broadcasters.

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GONZALEZ: Yes.

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GATES: To see why is he so good?

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GONZALEZ: You have
to be obsessed.

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GATES: Yeah.
You have to be obsessed.

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GONZALEZ: You have to
become obsessed again.

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There's no other way around it.

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GATES: My two guests exude a
confidence born of struggle.

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Each made great
efforts to reach the top

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of their profession.

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But turning to their roots,

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that confidence gave
way to questions.

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Both men had profound
mysteries that they

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desperately wanted solved.

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It was time to give them the
answers they had been seeking.

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I started with Joe Manganiello
and with a story that begins in

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what was once a region
of the Ottoman Empire and

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is now a part of
the nation of Turkey.

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Joe's maternal ancestors were
caught here in one of the worst

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atrocities of the 20th century,

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the infamous
Armenian genocide,

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during which over a
million ethnic Armenians were

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systematically murdered
by the Ottoman state.

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Joe's great-grandmother,

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a woman named
Rose Darakjian,

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miraculously managed to
survive the slaughter and

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find refuge in
the United States.

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But only after enduring
a horrifying ordeal...

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MANGANIELLO: The Turks
came into her home,

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in 1915 under the guise of
World War I and tried to enact

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the genocide
that they had begun.

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They shot her
husband dead, shot her.

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She laid on the ground,
pretended that she was dead

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while seven other
gunshots went off,

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which were her seven children.

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She laid there, unmoving,

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and the Turks left the house
and left the eighth child

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who was an infant
in the crib to starve to death,

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which is the way
that they did business.

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So, she got up, strapped
the baby on her back,

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and escaped the town,

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which, you know, for people
that don't know there were these

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death marches where
they would just handcuff and

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chain the Armenians together
and march them out into the

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desert and release the Kurds
and gave them military coats,

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horses, and guns to them go
do what they wanted with their

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mortal enemies, the Armenians
and she escaped that.

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Snuck past, got to
the Euphrates River with

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the baby on her back,
swam across the river,

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and when she got to the other
side the baby had drowned.

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She had a bullet in her still,
and she lived in a cave,

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to my understanding,

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with other refugees until she
was picked up by German military

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who were stationed
in Turkey at the time

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because the Turkish
government worshipped

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German military might.

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So, a lot of officers were
invited to come and spend time

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in Turkey during the war.

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GATES: Mmm-hmm.

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MANGANIELLO: As the story goes,

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she was picked up by
something like a Red Cross camp

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that would have been
there at the time and went

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to work for this German
officer and wound up pregnant

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by this German officer
and gave birth, to,

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after the Germans left
and went back to Germany.

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She gave birth to a very blonde,
half-German child.

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GATES: This "blonde child"
grew up to be Joe's grandmother,

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Sondra and though her
mother never told her the name

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of her German father,

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Joe was hoping
that we could find him.

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It was an
extraordinary challenge.

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There were roughly 25,000
German soldiers stationed in

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the Ottoman Empire
during World War I.

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What's more, the Turkish
government refuses to

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acknowledge the Armenian
genocide and doesn't even

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permit researchers
access to the records that

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would document it.

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Our only hope was DNA.

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Our genetic genealogist,
CeCe Moore,

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compared Joe's mother's
genetic profile to millions of

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other profiles in publicly
available databases,

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searching for matches.

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GATES: You ready
to see what we found?

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MANGANIELLO: Oh, man. Yes.

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GATES: Please turn the page.

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Joe, the chart in front
of you shows some of your

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mother's DNA matches illustrated
in the format of a family tree.

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You're there at the bottom.

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MANGANIELLO: Yup.

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GATES: Now, go up one box
and see your mother Susan...

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MANGANIELLO: Yep.
GATES: And then her mother,

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and then your
great-grandparents, Rose,

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and your unknown
biological great-grandfather,

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the man we are
trying to identify.

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Joe, in your mother's DNA
match list we identified a

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distinct cluster of
individuals that appeared

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to be of German ancestry.

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We soon learned that all
those individuals descended

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from one couple.

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Would you please
read their names?

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MANGANIELLO:
"Johan Heinrich Beutinger"

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GATES: You got it.

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MANGANIELLO: And
Katharine Friedrike Reischle"?

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GATES: Now, I'm assuming
that you've never heard

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of these people before.

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MANGANIELLO: Never.

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GATES: Well, Joe, guess
what, you are a Beutinger.

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MANGANIELLO: No. Wow.

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GATES: You are.
That is your family name.

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MANGANIELLO: Wow. Look at that.

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Wow. That's incredible.

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GATES: Based on
the DNA evidence,

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the Beutinger's are Joe's
third great-grandparents,

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meaning that one of
their grandchildren

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was Sondra's father.

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This posed a new challenge.

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The couple had dozens of
grandchildren, but eventually,

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we discovered that one had
living descendants who shared

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more DNA with Joe's mother
than all the others did...

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The solution to our
mystery was now at hand.

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GATES: Would you
please turn the page?

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MANGANIELLO: Wow, okay, whoa!

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GATES: That is Sondra's father.

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MANGANIELLO: No, wow, whoa.
Wow, okay. Oh, my gosh.

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I mean, I'm like, I'm
looking for resemblance.

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I mean...

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GATES: Yeah.

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MANGANIELLO: Oh my,
I can't believe this.

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Wow, it looks like me,
it looks like my family.

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GATES: We thought so.
MANGANIELLO: Did you?

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GATES: Yeah.

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MANGANIELLO: Yeah, I
mean it looks like me if

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I had a coat on.

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That's what my frame looks like.

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GATES: That's what we think.
It's incredible.

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MANGANIELLO: That's wild.
And his jaw, I mean,

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even his facial structure,
the structure of his head.

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GATES: Yep.

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MANGANIELLO: It looks kind of,
his lip, as well, it's it's,

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gosh, that's weird.

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GATES: Joe's
great-grandfather was named

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Karl Wilhelm Beutinger.

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He was born in Heilbronn,

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a city in southern Germany
and he returned there

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after the war to
work as a brick mason.

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GATES: That is your
ancestral town.

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MANGANIELLO: Wow,
okay, I gotta go.

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GATES: It's where your
great-grandfather was born on

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the 27th of January in 1883.

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What's it like to see that?

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MANGANIELLO: I feel like,
I feel like a time traveler.

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This is something out of
some science fiction novel.

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That, that, that I gave
a small part of me,

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ran it through this
computer and it said step in,

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close the door.

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I opened the door and I'm
here in Germany at this time

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looking at my
ancestor that I never knew.

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GATES: We can't say anything
definitive about the nature of

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Karl's relationship with Rose,

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but we do know that by
the time he set off for war,

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Karl already had
a wife and at least three sons

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back home in Germany
and as we dug more deeply,

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we discovered
something shocking...

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One of those sons,
Karl Beutinger, Jr.,

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grew up to serve
in the Nazi SS...

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A fact that left Joe struggling
to make sense of his new family.

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MANGANIELLO: He probably
didn't know what happened with

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his father in World War I.

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GATES: Right.

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I'm sure his father didn't
come back and say you have

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a little sister.

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MANGANIELLO: No.

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But the idea that the genocide
was carried out under the veil

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of World War I against the
Armenians and his father had

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relations with a woman who
survived that after all that

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she went through and the
Armenian people went through.

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Returned home and then
his son joins the SS?

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GATES: Yeah, so you
have two genocides in

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your family tree,
as it were.

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MANGANIELLO: That's right.

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And it's on either side,
which is...

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GATES: Mm-hm.
Victims and perpetrators.

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MANGANIELLO: Exactly. Yeah.
Which is, I mean that's like...

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GATES: That's a heavy
thing to ponder.

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MANGANIELLO: You know,
it's just mind-blowing.

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GATES: Karl Beutinger passed
away peacefully in 1944.

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His son, Karl Jr.,
lived until 1997.

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And their shared roots,
Joe's German ancestry,

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can be traced all the way
back to the 14th century...

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But, in the end, this wasn't
what interested Joe the most.

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Instead, he was drawn to
a document we found in the

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archives of Massachusetts...

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It records the wedding of
Joe's great-grandmother Rose and

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her second husband,
and it adds another branch to

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Joe's Armenian family tree.

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MANGANIELLO: "Name of
Father and Mother of Bride,

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Vartan, and Mariam."

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GATES: Have you ever heard
of Vartan and Mariam?

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MANGANIELLO: No, no.

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GATES: Well, Vartan Darakjian
and Mariam Kachadourian are

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your great-great-grandparents.

486
00:21:01,743 --> 00:21:03,876
MANGANIELLO: Wow, I mean,
you know, wow.

487
00:21:03,876 --> 00:21:07,109
Geez, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.

488
00:21:07,109 --> 00:21:09,843
GATES: What's it like
to learn their names?

489
00:21:09,843 --> 00:21:15,476
MANGANIELLO: We just jumped
some impassable wall, you know.

490
00:21:16,576 --> 00:21:19,143
And this was
written in Armenian...

491
00:21:19,143 --> 00:21:20,309
GATES: Yeah.

492
00:21:20,309 --> 00:21:22,176
MANGANIELLO: And it
was the Armenian, okay,

493
00:21:22,176 --> 00:21:24,343
the Armenian Diocese
of America in Worcester.

494
00:21:24,343 --> 00:21:26,443
Yeah, so, this is their
marriage certificate in

495
00:21:26,443 --> 00:21:28,509
Worcester, and she had to
list her parents' names.

496
00:21:28,509 --> 00:21:29,776
GATES: Yeah.

497
00:21:29,776 --> 00:21:32,976
MANGANIELLO: Wow, wow, holy cow!

498
00:21:34,909 --> 00:21:39,009
GATES: Rose's parents,
Joe's great-great-grandparents,

499
00:21:39,009 --> 00:21:42,576
were likely born in
Armenia in the mid-1800s.

500
00:21:44,176 --> 00:21:46,443
Based on the available
documentation,

501
00:21:46,809 --> 00:21:48,743
we don't know anything
more about them.

502
00:21:49,643 --> 00:21:53,309
But if either were still
alive in the summer of 1915,

503
00:21:53,309 --> 00:21:56,809
they almost certainly
perished in the genocide.

504
00:21:57,809 --> 00:22:00,943
Though this knowledge was
painful to contemplate...

505
00:22:00,943 --> 00:22:03,876
For Joe, it was also a treasure.

506
00:22:05,676 --> 00:22:09,476
MANGANIELLO: This is one of
the great gifts of my life.

507
00:22:09,476 --> 00:22:15,209
You know, to, to be in a
position sitting across the

508
00:22:15,209 --> 00:22:19,743
table from someone who is,
you know, even more,

509
00:22:19,743 --> 00:22:23,109
obsessed about history
and genealogy than me.

510
00:22:23,109 --> 00:22:26,676
Um, you know, and then to
live at a time when this is

511
00:22:26,676 --> 00:22:30,643
all possible and to
find out these answers.

512
00:22:30,643 --> 00:22:31,909
GATES: Hmmm.

513
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:34,143
MANGANIELLO: You know, it's
the book you read when you were

514
00:22:34,143 --> 00:22:37,109
a kid or had read to
you when you were a kid,

515
00:22:37,109 --> 00:22:39,943
imagining what the
characters look like and

516
00:22:39,943 --> 00:22:41,643
now you're actually seeing them.

517
00:22:41,643 --> 00:22:42,676
GATES: Right.

518
00:22:42,676 --> 00:22:46,309
MANGANIELLO: What an
amazing time to be alive.

519
00:22:46,309 --> 00:22:47,976
I mean, really.

520
00:22:48,409 --> 00:22:49,909
GATES: Much like Joe,

521
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:52,943
Tony Gonzalez came to
me with a very challenging

522
00:22:52,943 --> 00:22:54,976
genealogical question...

523
00:22:56,143 --> 00:23:00,243
His maternal grandmother
Helen is 104 years old.

524
00:23:01,543 --> 00:23:04,576
Her mother, a woman
named "Ophelia",

525
00:23:04,576 --> 00:23:06,876
was adopted when
she was a child,

526
00:23:07,376 --> 00:23:10,209
and Helen has always
wanted to know the identity

527
00:23:10,209 --> 00:23:13,076
of Ophelia's biological parents.

528
00:23:13,843 --> 00:23:17,343
There were no adoption
records to guide us,

529
00:23:17,343 --> 00:23:20,976
only a family story that
Ophelia had been born in

530
00:23:20,976 --> 00:23:24,376
Georgia with the
surname "Birdsong."

531
00:23:24,843 --> 00:23:28,209
This singular detail
proved invaluable.

532
00:23:28,643 --> 00:23:31,876
It led us to an entry
in the 1900 census for

533
00:23:31,876 --> 00:23:36,443
Eatonton, Georgia where we
found a 4-year-old girl named

534
00:23:36,443 --> 00:23:39,643
Ophelia in the home
of her grandmother...

535
00:23:40,209 --> 00:23:42,376
Mariah Birdsong.

536
00:23:43,643 --> 00:23:46,376
GONZALEZ: So, Ophelia is my...

537
00:23:46,376 --> 00:23:48,176
GATES: Your great-grandmother.
GONZALEZ: My great-grandmother.

538
00:23:48,176 --> 00:23:49,343
GATES: Right.

539
00:23:49,343 --> 00:23:50,609
GONZALEZ: She's living
in Georgia here.

540
00:23:50,609 --> 00:23:51,843
GATES: Right. Yeah.

541
00:23:51,843 --> 00:23:53,776
And she's living in the
household of her grandmother,

542
00:23:53,776 --> 00:23:56,376
a woman named Mariah Birdsong.

543
00:23:56,376 --> 00:23:57,509
GONZALEZ: Okay.

544
00:23:57,509 --> 00:23:58,743
GATES: And you've never
heard that name before?

545
00:23:58,743 --> 00:23:59,909
GONZALEZ: Never.

546
00:23:59,909 --> 00:24:02,809
GATES: Well, Tony,
Mariah Birdsong is your

547
00:24:02,809 --> 00:24:04,809
great-great-great-grandmother.

548
00:24:04,809 --> 00:24:05,743
GONZALEZ: Uh-huh.

549
00:24:05,743 --> 00:24:06,776
GATES: Your third
great-grandmother.

550
00:24:06,776 --> 00:24:07,943
GONZALEZ: Uh-huh.

551
00:24:07,943 --> 00:24:09,043
GATES: So, what's
it like to see that?

552
00:24:09,043 --> 00:24:10,276
GONZALEZ: It's great.

553
00:24:10,276 --> 00:24:11,576
GATES: And what do you think
your grandmother is gonna?

554
00:24:11,576 --> 00:24:12,743
GONZALEZ: She's gonna freak out.

555
00:24:12,743 --> 00:24:14,243
GATES: Yeah.
GONZALEZ: She's gonna freak out.

556
00:24:14,243 --> 00:24:15,943
GATES: This has been a
mystery that has plagued her

557
00:24:15,943 --> 00:24:17,109
for 104 years.

558
00:24:17,109 --> 00:24:18,743
GONZALEZ: Yeah, 104 years.
GATES: I mean in effect.

559
00:24:18,743 --> 00:24:20,109
GONZALEZ: She's gonna love it.

560
00:24:20,109 --> 00:24:22,443
I think maybe this is part of
the reason she's still alive.

561
00:24:22,443 --> 00:24:23,443
I don't know.

562
00:24:23,443 --> 00:24:24,709
GATES: Mm-hmm.

563
00:24:24,709 --> 00:24:25,876
GONZALEZ: Because she's been
wanting to know this stuff

564
00:24:25,876 --> 00:24:27,176
for-for a long time.

565
00:24:27,743 --> 00:24:30,009
GATES: Once we'd
identified Mariah,

566
00:24:30,009 --> 00:24:32,976
Ophelia's story
came into focus,

567
00:24:33,209 --> 00:24:35,843
but it wasn't an
easy story to share.

568
00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:39,543
In 1900, the same year
this census was taken,

569
00:24:40,443 --> 00:24:42,976
Mariah's daughter,
Dora was living in

570
00:24:42,976 --> 00:24:45,443
Jefferson County, Alabama

571
00:24:45,443 --> 00:24:48,943
married to a man
named George Harris.

572
00:24:48,943 --> 00:24:52,809
Dora was Ophelia's
biological mother...

573
00:24:52,809 --> 00:24:56,509
But George was not
her biological father.

574
00:24:57,509 --> 00:25:01,176
Instead, it seems that Dora
had three children before she

575
00:25:01,176 --> 00:25:03,809
married George, Ophelia,

576
00:25:03,809 --> 00:25:07,709
and two boys and that she
left them behind with her mother

577
00:25:07,709 --> 00:25:10,876
Mariah to settle in Alabama.

578
00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:15,176
We can't be certain what
exactly happened next or why.

579
00:25:16,243 --> 00:25:19,076
GATES: All we know is
that Ophelia was eventually

580
00:25:19,076 --> 00:25:20,643
given up for adoption.

581
00:25:20,643 --> 00:25:21,909
GONZALEZ: Yeah.

582
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:24,976
GATES: And she likely never saw
her mother, her grandmother,

583
00:25:24,976 --> 00:25:26,743
or her brothers ever again.

584
00:25:26,743 --> 00:25:28,009
GONZALEZ: Wow.
GATES: Yeah.

585
00:25:28,009 --> 00:25:29,209
GONZALEZ: That's mind-blowing.

586
00:25:29,209 --> 00:25:31,043
GATES: Yeah.
GONZALEZ: It's mind-blowing.

587
00:25:31,043 --> 00:25:32,709
GATES: That had to be
incredibly traumatic.

588
00:25:32,709 --> 00:25:34,976
How do you think that
would have affected her?

589
00:25:34,976 --> 00:25:36,876
GONZALEZ: I...

590
00:25:37,509 --> 00:25:41,076
I think, uh,
anybody who goes through that,

591
00:25:41,076 --> 00:25:44,343
it's gotta be the toughest
thing, that, in your life.

592
00:25:44,343 --> 00:25:45,443
GATES: Mm-hmm.

593
00:25:45,443 --> 00:25:46,809
GONZALEZ: I mean, not knowing,

594
00:25:46,809 --> 00:25:49,443
or thinking
somebody let-let me go.

595
00:25:49,443 --> 00:25:50,576
GATES: Mm-hmm.

596
00:25:50,576 --> 00:25:52,509
GONZALEZ: I mean, any
foster child out there.

597
00:25:52,509 --> 00:25:54,176
Why didn't they want me?
Why didn't they love me?

598
00:25:54,176 --> 00:25:55,276
GATES: Right.

599
00:25:55,276 --> 00:25:56,476
GONZALEZ: Uh, you
carry that with you.

600
00:25:56,476 --> 00:25:57,576
GATES: Yeah.

601
00:25:57,576 --> 00:25:58,709
GONZALEZ: I mean I know
how that would feel if

602
00:25:58,709 --> 00:25:59,943
my mother had to
go through this.

603
00:25:59,943 --> 00:26:01,209
GATES: Mm-hmm.

604
00:26:01,209 --> 00:26:03,109
GONZALEZ: I'd be, like, it
would explain everything.

605
00:26:03,109 --> 00:26:04,476
GATES: Mm-hmm.

606
00:26:04,476 --> 00:26:06,243
GONZALEZ: Uh, because I don't
know the-the relationship

607
00:26:06,243 --> 00:26:07,743
between my grandmother
and her mother.

608
00:26:07,743 --> 00:26:08,943
GATES: Mm-hmm.

609
00:26:08,943 --> 00:26:11,009
GONZALEZ: But I know my
grandmother is gonna know that.

610
00:26:11,009 --> 00:26:12,143
GATES: Mm-hmm.

611
00:26:12,143 --> 00:26:13,676
GONZALEZ: And so, I'm
sure a lot of things might

612
00:26:13,676 --> 00:26:16,076
start to slide into place
and be, okay, this is why...

613
00:26:16,076 --> 00:26:17,009
GATES: Right.

614
00:26:17,009 --> 00:26:18,209
GONZALEZ: I was
treated this way.

615
00:26:18,209 --> 00:26:19,543
GATES: Mm-hmm.
GONZALEZ: This is, this is why.

616
00:26:19,543 --> 00:26:21,709
GATES: Mm-hmm.
GONZALEZ: Um, very cool.

617
00:26:23,043 --> 00:26:26,443
GATES: We now knew the name
of Ophelia's biological mother,

618
00:26:26,443 --> 00:26:28,209
but not her father,

619
00:26:29,209 --> 00:26:31,809
and there were no
more records to help us.

620
00:26:33,243 --> 00:26:37,143
So, once again, we consulted
CeCe Moore and followed

621
00:26:37,143 --> 00:26:40,509
the same process we'd
used with Joe Manganiello.

622
00:26:41,243 --> 00:26:43,743
Returning to the DNA databases,

623
00:26:43,743 --> 00:26:46,309
we soon discovered that
Tony's grandmother has a

624
00:26:46,309 --> 00:26:51,676
cluster of matches who each
share roughly 6% of her genome,

625
00:26:52,243 --> 00:26:54,076
a significant amount...

626
00:26:55,743 --> 00:26:57,309
GATES: And based on that,

627
00:26:57,309 --> 00:27:00,976
we determined
that those matches are likely

628
00:27:00,976 --> 00:27:03,309
your grandmother's
half-first cousins.

629
00:27:03,309 --> 00:27:06,776
Sharing one common ancestor,
a grandfather.

630
00:27:07,109 --> 00:27:08,243
GONZALEZ: Mm-hmm.

631
00:27:08,243 --> 00:27:10,343
GATES: And that
grandfather would be

632
00:27:10,343 --> 00:27:12,609
Ophelia's biological father.

633
00:27:12,843 --> 00:27:14,109
GONZALEZ: Oh wow, I love it.

634
00:27:14,109 --> 00:27:15,876
GATES: Isn't that amazing?
GONZALEZ: I love it. Love it.

635
00:27:15,876 --> 00:27:17,143
GATES: You ready
to-to meet him?

636
00:27:17,143 --> 00:27:18,409
GONZALEZ: Let's find out.
Let's see him. Let's meet him.

637
00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:19,543
GATES: Please turn the page.

638
00:27:19,543 --> 00:27:22,943
GONZALEZ: Okay,
"John Rees Hudson"...

639
00:27:23,509 --> 00:27:25,676
GATES: You just read the name
of your great-great-grandfather.

640
00:27:25,676 --> 00:27:27,309
(laughter).

641
00:27:27,309 --> 00:27:29,809
He is your grandmother,
Helen's, grandfather.

642
00:27:29,809 --> 00:27:34,076
Whose identity she did not
know until this very moment.

643
00:27:34,409 --> 00:27:36,743
GONZALEZ: Wow, John.
John Rees Hudson.

644
00:27:36,743 --> 00:27:37,843
GATES: That's right.

645
00:27:37,843 --> 00:27:39,176
GONZALEZ: Nice to meet you,
nice to meet you.

646
00:27:39,176 --> 00:27:40,243
GATES: What's it
like to learn this?

647
00:27:40,243 --> 00:27:41,509
GONZALEZ: It's overwhelming.

648
00:27:41,509 --> 00:27:43,143
It's overwhelming, just to, to,

649
00:27:43,143 --> 00:27:46,543
to peer back and see
where you come from.

650
00:27:48,009 --> 00:27:50,743
GATES: Many of Tony's
relatives had told us that

651
00:27:50,743 --> 00:27:53,443
they believed Ophelia was White.

652
00:27:53,743 --> 00:27:58,176
Some even had specific theories
that she was Polish or Italian.

653
00:27:59,376 --> 00:28:01,976
Those theories weren't correct,

654
00:28:01,976 --> 00:28:04,476
but now that we'd
identified her father,

655
00:28:04,476 --> 00:28:07,109
we could see where
they'd come from.

656
00:28:07,876 --> 00:28:08,809
GONZALEZ: He's white.

657
00:28:08,809 --> 00:28:10,143
GATES: He's white.
GONZALEZ: Mm-hmm.

658
00:28:10,143 --> 00:28:12,276
GATES: The family story
was that she was white,

659
00:28:12,276 --> 00:28:14,043
but it was only her
father who was white.

660
00:28:14,043 --> 00:28:15,309
(Gonzalez laughs).

661
00:28:15,309 --> 00:28:16,676
GATES: So, what's it
like to learn this, and what do

662
00:28:16,676 --> 00:28:18,443
you think Helen is gonna
say when she finds this out?

663
00:28:18,443 --> 00:28:21,709
GONZALEZ: I-I, I love it,
I love it because

664
00:28:21,709 --> 00:28:24,676
all growing up;
not just me either,

665
00:28:24,676 --> 00:28:26,843
this affects my brother and
then my, my cousins.

666
00:28:26,843 --> 00:28:28,009
GATES: Yeah.

667
00:28:28,009 --> 00:28:29,609
GONZALEZ: Uh, there's
a whole bunch of them.

668
00:28:29,609 --> 00:28:32,909
We always thought that my
grandmother, uh, Helen,

669
00:28:32,909 --> 00:28:34,076
uh, was white.

670
00:28:34,076 --> 00:28:35,209
GATES: Right.

671
00:28:35,209 --> 00:28:36,809
GONZALEZ: And Ophelia,
great-grandmother,

672
00:28:36,809 --> 00:28:38,543
my great grandma was white.

673
00:28:38,543 --> 00:28:39,609
GATES: Right.

674
00:28:39,609 --> 00:28:40,743
GONZALEZ: And now I'm finding,
but it's not.

675
00:28:40,743 --> 00:28:41,843
GATES: No.

676
00:28:41,843 --> 00:28:42,976
GONZALEZ: She, she was...
She was half.

677
00:28:42,976 --> 00:28:44,176
GATES: She was half.
GONZALEZ: That's...

678
00:28:44,176 --> 00:28:45,309
GATES: You have one
more generation back,

679
00:28:45,309 --> 00:28:46,443
you found the White man.

680
00:28:46,443 --> 00:28:48,343
GONZALEZ: Wow.

681
00:28:49,109 --> 00:28:52,443
GATES: The relationship between
John and Dora crystallizes the

682
00:28:52,443 --> 00:28:55,409
many inequities of
the Jim Crow South...

683
00:28:57,409 --> 00:28:59,509
When Ophelia was conceived,

684
00:28:59,509 --> 00:29:02,809
we believe that Dora was
working on a farm in Georgia,

685
00:29:02,809 --> 00:29:05,809
about five miles
from John's family's estate,

686
00:29:06,809 --> 00:29:10,009
while John himself
was living in Washington, DC

687
00:29:10,009 --> 00:29:12,709
working for the
United States government.

688
00:29:13,043 --> 00:29:16,909
We suspect the two met
when John was home on a visit.

689
00:29:16,909 --> 00:29:18,843
But we can't be certain.

690
00:29:18,843 --> 00:29:23,843
All we know for sure is that
their affair was illicit and

691
00:29:23,843 --> 00:29:27,176
that John held all the power.

692
00:29:27,876 --> 00:29:29,576
Indeed, at the time,

693
00:29:29,576 --> 00:29:32,776
interracial marriage
was illegal in Georgia.

694
00:29:32,776 --> 00:29:36,676
So there was no chance of
a lasting relationship...

695
00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:39,643
GATES: Can you imagine what it
must have been like for Dora,

696
00:29:39,643 --> 00:29:42,576
raising three kids on
her own, a single mother?

697
00:29:42,576 --> 00:29:44,976
And knowing that the father
of at least one of them was

698
00:29:44,976 --> 00:29:47,009
from a prominent White family,

699
00:29:47,009 --> 00:29:49,476
and working for the
federal government up in

700
00:29:49,476 --> 00:29:50,809
Washington, DC.

701
00:29:50,809 --> 00:29:54,476
GONZALEZ: Yeah, wow,
I wonder if, if she could even

702
00:29:54,476 --> 00:29:55,676
talk about it.

703
00:29:55,676 --> 00:29:56,943
It's illegal.

704
00:29:56,943 --> 00:29:58,943
GATES: Yeah, I wonder if, yeah,
if ever told even her mother

705
00:29:58,943 --> 00:30:00,309
who the father was, you know?

706
00:30:00,309 --> 00:30:02,743
GONZALEZ: Yeah.
GATES: Mmm.

707
00:30:02,743 --> 00:30:03,843
GONZALEZ: Ah!

708
00:30:03,843 --> 00:30:05,709
GATES: You know, and no
matter what the law was,

709
00:30:05,709 --> 00:30:08,176
when the lights came down,
people slept together.

710
00:30:08,176 --> 00:30:09,943
GONZALEZ: Yeah, yeah.

711
00:30:09,943 --> 00:30:11,709
GATES: Under slavery,
of course, a lot of rape.

712
00:30:11,709 --> 00:30:12,909
GONZALEZ: Yeah, who knows if...

713
00:30:12,909 --> 00:30:14,076
GATES: Well, we don't,
we don't know.

714
00:30:14,076 --> 00:30:15,309
GONZALEZ: Taken advantage of,
yeah, we don't know.

715
00:30:15,309 --> 00:30:16,443
GATES: We don't know if it
was a loving relationship...

716
00:30:16,443 --> 00:30:17,609
GONZALEZ: Loving, yeah.

717
00:30:17,609 --> 00:30:19,143
GATES: A forced relationship,
we just don't know.

718
00:30:19,143 --> 00:30:20,709
GONZALEZ: We just don't know.
GATES: Welp.

719
00:30:20,709 --> 00:30:22,176
GONZALEZ: But I'm here.

720
00:30:22,176 --> 00:30:24,209
GATES: But you're here,
that's right.

721
00:30:25,276 --> 00:30:28,243
GATES: There's a final
beat to this story.

722
00:30:28,243 --> 00:30:30,676
In the 1920 census,

723
00:30:30,676 --> 00:30:34,243
we found Ophelia's
father back in Georgia,

724
00:30:34,243 --> 00:30:37,543
working as the manager
of a fertilizer company,

725
00:30:37,543 --> 00:30:41,209
and heading a new
household all his own...

726
00:30:42,609 --> 00:30:44,076
GATES: There's your
great-great-grandfather,

727
00:30:44,076 --> 00:30:46,376
John, living
with his legal wife,

728
00:30:46,376 --> 00:30:47,776
whose name was Lucille,

729
00:30:47,776 --> 00:30:49,976
and their three
legitimate children.

730
00:30:49,976 --> 00:30:51,243
GONZALEZ: Yep, yeah.

731
00:30:51,243 --> 00:30:53,143
GATES: He moved back to
Georgia from Washington around

732
00:30:53,143 --> 00:30:55,576
1913 to marry
and start a family,

733
00:30:55,576 --> 00:31:00,243
but obviously not with your
great-great-grandmother, Dora.

734
00:31:00,243 --> 00:31:02,709
GONZALEZ: Yeah, hmm.

735
00:31:02,709 --> 00:31:04,576
GATES: Mmm.
GONZALEZ: Starting some family.

736
00:31:04,576 --> 00:31:07,176
GATES: What, do you think
Helen will make of all this?

737
00:31:07,176 --> 00:31:09,076
GONZALEZ: Geez...

738
00:31:09,076 --> 00:31:11,076
I want to be there when
she's learning all this.

739
00:31:11,076 --> 00:31:12,476
GATES: Mmm.

740
00:31:12,476 --> 00:31:14,443
GONZALEZ: God, I just
got to close this,

741
00:31:14,443 --> 00:31:15,609
you know what I mean?

742
00:31:15,609 --> 00:31:18,043
Like, close some chapters for...

743
00:31:18,043 --> 00:31:22,443
of, of not knowing for 104
years where you're from, uh,

744
00:31:22,443 --> 00:31:23,609
who you come from.

745
00:31:23,609 --> 00:31:24,909
GATES: Right.

746
00:31:24,909 --> 00:31:28,143
GONZALEZ: Ah.
It's such a good feeling.

747
00:31:28,376 --> 00:31:29,909
Such a good feeling.

748
00:31:31,209 --> 00:31:33,709
GATES: We'd already solved
a mystery that had haunted

749
00:31:33,709 --> 00:31:37,376
Joe Manganiello's mother's
family for generations.

750
00:31:37,376 --> 00:31:40,309
Now, turning to
Joe's father's roots,

751
00:31:41,376 --> 00:31:43,543
we stumbled upon
a second mystery,

752
00:31:44,143 --> 00:31:46,443
one that nobody saw coming...

753
00:31:47,876 --> 00:31:51,343
Joe's DNA does not
match him with anyone

754
00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:54,809
related to Emilio Manganiello,

755
00:31:54,809 --> 00:31:57,143
the man whom he
always assumed to be

756
00:31:57,143 --> 00:31:59,109
his father's father.

757
00:31:59,843 --> 00:32:03,009
I called Joe before our
interview to let him convey the

758
00:32:03,009 --> 00:32:05,743
news to his father in private,

759
00:32:05,743 --> 00:32:08,876
and see if he wanted to
withdraw from the series.

760
00:32:09,276 --> 00:32:12,909
As shocking as this
information was to us,

761
00:32:12,909 --> 00:32:18,109
I discovered that Joe's father
was not entirely surprised

762
00:32:18,109 --> 00:32:20,109
because he had
had a deeply troubled

763
00:32:20,109 --> 00:32:23,209
relationship with Emilio...

764
00:32:24,143 --> 00:32:27,009
Now, your father
could have said I don't want

765
00:32:27,009 --> 00:32:30,709
the whole world knowing
this fact, but he didn't.

766
00:32:31,009 --> 00:32:32,443
What did your father say?

767
00:32:32,443 --> 00:32:34,809
MANGANIELLO: My father...

768
00:32:34,809 --> 00:32:42,443
Uh, well, I think it just
all of a sudden things start

769
00:32:42,443 --> 00:32:44,209
clicking into place, you know,

770
00:32:44,209 --> 00:32:49,409
the thousand-piece
puzzle that no matter how hard

771
00:32:49,409 --> 00:32:51,043
you looked under the table,

772
00:32:51,043 --> 00:32:53,509
in the box,
where's that piece?

773
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:54,709
How come that...

774
00:32:54,709 --> 00:32:56,309
What, did they send
me the puzzle without

775
00:32:56,309 --> 00:32:57,609
the missing piece?

776
00:32:57,609 --> 00:32:58,876
(snaps)

777
00:32:58,876 --> 00:33:00,209
All of a sudden now it's clear.

778
00:33:00,209 --> 00:33:01,443
GATES: Right.

779
00:33:01,443 --> 00:33:05,276
MANGANIELLO: So, my father
agreed to participate in, uh...

780
00:33:05,276 --> 00:33:08,443
GATES: He took a DNA test.
MANGANIELLO: Yeah, yeah, yep.

781
00:33:09,809 --> 00:33:12,776
GATES: Using Joe's father's DNA,

782
00:33:12,776 --> 00:33:16,809
CeCe was able to construct
a genetic network for him,

783
00:33:16,809 --> 00:33:18,809
just as she'd done
for Joe's mother,

784
00:33:19,709 --> 00:33:22,443
and it pointed us
towards one couple.

785
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:26,109
MANGANIELLO:
"William Henry Cutler

786
00:33:26,109 --> 00:33:28,743
and Nellie Alton."

787
00:33:29,009 --> 00:33:31,809
GATES: You just met
your great-grandparents,

788
00:33:31,809 --> 00:33:34,209
your biological
great-grandparents,

789
00:33:34,209 --> 00:33:37,409
and your father's
paternal grandparents.

790
00:33:37,409 --> 00:33:39,109
Have you ever heard
of these people?

791
00:33:39,109 --> 00:33:40,643
MANGANIELLO: No.
GATES: Okay.

792
00:33:40,643 --> 00:33:43,776
Now, Joe, in theory finding
William and Nellie brings us

793
00:33:43,776 --> 00:33:46,909
very close to finding
your grandfather because if

794
00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:48,976
William and Nellie are
your great-grandparents

795
00:33:48,976 --> 00:33:51,676
then logically their son is
your father's father, right?

796
00:33:51,676 --> 00:33:53,043
MANGANIELLO: Right.
GATES: Okay.

797
00:33:53,043 --> 00:33:55,643
Unfortunately, there's a
complication to this story.

798
00:33:55,643 --> 00:34:00,676
MANGANIELLO: No! Oh, God!
Holy cow!

799
00:34:01,143 --> 00:34:02,609
Okay, all right!

800
00:34:03,009 --> 00:34:04,509
GATES: Would you
please turn the page?

801
00:34:04,509 --> 00:34:05,909
MANGANIELLO: What is
going on right now?

802
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:06,976
Okay, yes?

803
00:34:06,976 --> 00:34:08,943
GATES: In 1910,
William and Nellie,

804
00:34:08,943 --> 00:34:11,476
your great-grandparents,
and their seven children lived

805
00:34:11,476 --> 00:34:14,343
in Malden, Massachusetts,
which is, as you know,

806
00:34:14,343 --> 00:34:16,043
about six miles north of Boston.

807
00:34:16,043 --> 00:34:17,409
MANGANIELLO: I know it well.

808
00:34:17,409 --> 00:34:19,876
GATES: Now, tell me how
many sons lived with them.

809
00:34:19,876 --> 00:34:26,276
MANGANIELLO: One, two,
three, four, five sons.

810
00:34:26,909 --> 00:34:29,043
GATES: Five sons.
William H., age 21.

811
00:34:29,043 --> 00:34:30,676
Frank A., age 19.

812
00:34:30,676 --> 00:34:32,109
Alfred, age 16.

813
00:34:32,109 --> 00:34:33,609
Douglas, age five,

814
00:34:33,609 --> 00:34:35,176
and Donald, age one.

815
00:34:35,176 --> 00:34:38,309
So Joe, based on the DNA
evidence one of those dudes

816
00:34:38,309 --> 00:34:41,709
is your grandfather.

817
00:34:41,709 --> 00:34:43,209
(exhaling rapidly)

818
00:34:43,209 --> 00:34:45,143
MANGANIELLO: Wow, okay.

819
00:34:45,776 --> 00:34:49,109
GATES: We now set out to narrow
our search from five brothers

820
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:51,743
down to one,
and we hit a wall.

821
00:34:52,443 --> 00:34:54,643
Birth and death records
revealed that two of the five

822
00:34:54,643 --> 00:34:57,376
could not have been
Joe's grandfather.

823
00:34:57,376 --> 00:35:01,576
But that still left three
candidates, and unfortunately,

824
00:35:01,576 --> 00:35:05,343
there was not enough evidence
to determine which was our man.

825
00:35:06,609 --> 00:35:11,043
Even so, there is no doubt
that Joe descends from one

826
00:35:11,043 --> 00:35:13,009
of the three.

827
00:35:13,009 --> 00:35:14,676
And as we dug deeper,

828
00:35:14,676 --> 00:35:17,509
we noticed something
striking about this new branch

829
00:35:17,509 --> 00:35:19,943
of his family tree...

830
00:35:20,276 --> 00:35:22,176
GATES: Joe, these are some
of the documents we gathered

831
00:35:22,176 --> 00:35:23,476
for the three Cutler brothers.

832
00:35:23,476 --> 00:35:25,209
Now, would you please
read what they all say about

833
00:35:25,209 --> 00:35:28,109
the three men's race?

834
00:35:28,109 --> 00:35:34,109
MANGANIELLO: Okay, um,
Negro, White, Negro, White,

835
00:35:34,743 --> 00:35:36,276
of African descent.

836
00:35:36,276 --> 00:35:38,043
White.

837
00:35:38,043 --> 00:35:40,909
GATES: Joe, it seemed to us
that the Cutlers may have been

838
00:35:40,909 --> 00:35:43,976
light-skinned
African American men.

839
00:35:43,976 --> 00:35:46,309
MANGANIELLO: Hmm.

840
00:35:46,309 --> 00:35:49,376
Well, that's interesting.

841
00:35:49,576 --> 00:35:54,643
GATES: That means, Joe Cutler,
that you would,

842
00:35:54,643 --> 00:35:58,243
under the one-drop rule,
be an African American.

843
00:35:58,443 --> 00:36:01,709
MANGANIELLO: Boy, now
that's really interesting.

844
00:36:01,709 --> 00:36:03,009
GATES: It is really interesting.

845
00:36:03,009 --> 00:36:04,643
MANGANIELLO: That's
really interesting.

846
00:36:05,543 --> 00:36:07,676
GATES: This discovery
was further confirmed

847
00:36:07,676 --> 00:36:09,776
by Joe's admixture.

848
00:36:09,776 --> 00:36:13,776
His ancestry is 7%
sub-Saharan African,

849
00:36:14,743 --> 00:36:19,543
indicating that his father's
father was roughly 30%

850
00:36:19,543 --> 00:36:21,343
sub-Saharan African.

851
00:36:21,643 --> 00:36:24,509
This meant that
Emilio Manganiello could not

852
00:36:24,509 --> 00:36:28,509
possibly be Joe's
biological grandfather,

853
00:36:28,509 --> 00:36:32,576
which compelled a major
shift in our conversation.

854
00:36:33,776 --> 00:36:37,009
GATES: Had Emilio been your
grandfather we would be walking

855
00:36:37,009 --> 00:36:40,576
you up your Italian Sicilian
branches of your tree,

856
00:36:40,576 --> 00:36:43,343
but Emilio is not so now we're
going to walk you up your

857
00:36:43,343 --> 00:36:45,276
African American branches
of your family tree.

858
00:36:45,276 --> 00:36:46,676
(laughter).

859
00:36:46,676 --> 00:36:47,943
MANGANIELLO: Wow, wow.

860
00:36:47,943 --> 00:36:49,476
GATES: I'm going to tell
you about your Cutler family.

861
00:36:49,476 --> 00:36:50,776
MANGANIELLO: Okay.
GATES: You ready?

862
00:36:50,776 --> 00:36:51,976
MANGANIELLO: Yeah.
GATES: Please turn the page.

863
00:36:51,976 --> 00:36:53,176
MANGANIELLO: Turn
the page, all right.

864
00:36:53,176 --> 00:36:54,643
GATES: We're going back to 1887.

865
00:36:54,643 --> 00:36:56,143
This is a marriage record
for your great-grandparents,

866
00:36:56,143 --> 00:36:57,809
William H. Cutler
and Nellie Alton.

867
00:36:57,809 --> 00:36:58,809
You remember them.

868
00:36:58,809 --> 00:36:59,909
MANGANIELLO: Yes.

869
00:36:59,909 --> 00:37:01,276
GATES: The parents of
the Cutler brothers and

870
00:37:01,276 --> 00:37:02,743
your father's biological
grandparents.

871
00:37:02,743 --> 00:37:04,843
Would you please read
the transcribed section?

872
00:37:04,843 --> 00:37:06,509
MANGANIELLO: "City of
Providence, Rhode Island.

873
00:37:06,509 --> 00:37:08,876
Date of marriage,
October 20, 1887.

874
00:37:08,876 --> 00:37:10,709
Full name of groom and bride,

875
00:37:10,709 --> 00:37:13,309
William Henry Cutler, age 22,

876
00:37:13,309 --> 00:37:17,876
and Nellie Alton, age 18.

877
00:37:17,876 --> 00:37:19,509
Color of each, William Colored.

878
00:37:19,509 --> 00:37:20,709
Nellie, White."

879
00:37:20,709 --> 00:37:22,009
GATES: White.

880
00:37:22,009 --> 00:37:25,576
Your great-grandparents were
an interracial couple in 1887.

881
00:37:25,576 --> 00:37:26,709
MANGANIELLO: In Rhode Island.

882
00:37:26,709 --> 00:37:27,909
GATES: Yes.

883
00:37:27,909 --> 00:37:29,843
William was an
African American man.

884
00:37:29,843 --> 00:37:31,109
Nellie, a white woman.

885
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:33,976
And this is when reconstruction
is being rolled back

886
00:37:33,976 --> 00:37:36,109
and Jim Crow is rising.

887
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:37,843
White supremacy is rising.

888
00:37:37,843 --> 00:37:41,643
So your great-grandparents had
a tremendous amount of courage.

889
00:37:41,643 --> 00:37:43,309
MANGANIELLO: That's guts.
That's pretty gutsy.

890
00:37:43,309 --> 00:37:44,943
GATES: And when we
spoke to several of

891
00:37:44,943 --> 00:37:46,309
Nellie's descendants,

892
00:37:46,309 --> 00:37:48,109
they all told us
that Nellie's parents,

893
00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:50,209
your great-great-grandparents,

894
00:37:50,209 --> 00:37:54,109
disowned her because
she married a Black man.

895
00:37:54,109 --> 00:37:57,709
MANGANIELLO: Wow.
I mean, that's incredible.

896
00:37:59,009 --> 00:38:00,909
GATES: As a mixed-race couple,

897
00:38:00,909 --> 00:38:04,076
William and Nellie
were ahead of their time.

898
00:38:04,309 --> 00:38:06,643
Moving back on this branch,

899
00:38:06,643 --> 00:38:10,343
we came to someone who
was even more exceptional...

900
00:38:10,343 --> 00:38:14,709
Joe's 5th great-grandfather,
a man named Plato Turner.

901
00:38:16,276 --> 00:38:19,343
According to a
Massachusetts death record,

902
00:38:19,343 --> 00:38:23,509
Plato was born in a place
that we almost never see listed

903
00:38:23,509 --> 00:38:24,709
on a document...

904
00:38:26,909 --> 00:38:28,576
MANGANIELLO: "Africa."

905
00:38:28,576 --> 00:38:30,476
GATES: It is extraordinarily
rare for a person of

906
00:38:30,476 --> 00:38:33,809
African American ancestry
to see their original

907
00:38:33,809 --> 00:38:36,776
African ancestor listed by name.

908
00:38:36,776 --> 00:38:38,543
MANGANIELLO: Wow. Huh...

909
00:38:38,543 --> 00:38:42,976
GATES: Very rare because the
slave trade ended in 1808,

910
00:38:42,976 --> 00:38:46,309
so there were no more Africans
brought except illegally

911
00:38:46,309 --> 00:38:47,609
to the United States.

912
00:38:47,609 --> 00:38:48,743
MANGANIELLO: Right.

913
00:38:48,743 --> 00:38:50,409
GATES: So, we're all
descended from Africans who

914
00:38:50,409 --> 00:38:52,876
came before 1808.

915
00:38:52,876 --> 00:38:54,909
MANGANIELLO: Wow.

916
00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:58,409
GATES: We believe that
Plato was born sometime in

917
00:38:58,409 --> 00:39:02,409
the early-to-mid-1700s and
that he was brought to the

918
00:39:02,409 --> 00:39:06,243
new world in bondage,
possibly as a child.

919
00:39:07,243 --> 00:39:10,643
We know nothing about
his life in slavery.

920
00:39:10,643 --> 00:39:12,909
But we do know that
it didn't break him.

921
00:39:13,876 --> 00:39:15,509
To the contrary,

922
00:39:15,509 --> 00:39:19,509
Plato Turner
eventually became a free man and

923
00:39:19,509 --> 00:39:21,576
did something incredible...

924
00:39:23,243 --> 00:39:25,543
MANGANIELLO: "I, Plato Turner
of Plymouth in the Commonwealth

925
00:39:25,543 --> 00:39:28,576
of Massachusetts declare on
oath that I was a soldier in

926
00:39:28,576 --> 00:39:31,043
the war of the Revolution
for more than nine months

927
00:39:31,043 --> 00:39:34,309
on the Continental
establishment.

928
00:39:34,309 --> 00:39:37,376
I entered The Army in
the spring of 1776."

929
00:39:37,376 --> 00:39:38,609
How about that?

930
00:39:38,609 --> 00:39:40,943
"Plato X Turner."

931
00:39:40,943 --> 00:39:42,443
GATES: You know what this means?

932
00:39:42,443 --> 00:39:43,843
You descend from a patriot.

933
00:39:43,843 --> 00:39:47,676
There were about 5,000
Black men who fought for the

934
00:39:47,676 --> 00:39:49,009
Continental Army...

935
00:39:49,009 --> 00:39:50,476
MANGANIELLO: Wow.

936
00:39:50,476 --> 00:39:53,543
GATES: Including
your fifth-great-grandfather.

937
00:39:53,543 --> 00:39:55,976
MANGANIELLO: Wow, man.

938
00:39:55,976 --> 00:39:58,843
He was freed and he
fought for America.

939
00:39:58,843 --> 00:40:00,309
GATES: Yeah, and he
served for America.

940
00:40:00,309 --> 00:40:01,609
MANGANIELLO: Wow.

941
00:40:01,609 --> 00:40:04,709
GATES: What's it been like
to uncover this whole new,

942
00:40:04,709 --> 00:40:07,809
completely unexpected
line of descent and ethnicity

943
00:40:07,809 --> 00:40:09,376
on your family tree?

944
00:40:09,376 --> 00:40:12,343
MANGANIELLO: Well, it's, it's
like when you put it into the,

945
00:40:12,343 --> 00:40:15,243
the gumbo pot that we're,
we're, we're cooking here...

946
00:40:15,243 --> 00:40:16,543
GATES: Right.

947
00:40:16,543 --> 00:40:20,943
MANGANIELLO: And you look
at this, you know, SS soldier...

948
00:40:20,943 --> 00:40:22,709
GATES: Right. Karl Jr.

949
00:40:22,709 --> 00:40:27,176
MANGANIELLO: Descended
from a man who impregnated

950
00:40:27,176 --> 00:40:30,743
my Armenian genocide survivor
great-grandmother.

951
00:40:31,209 --> 00:40:32,709
GATES: Right.

952
00:40:32,709 --> 00:40:34,709
MANGANIELLO: And then on
the other side you've got a

953
00:40:34,709 --> 00:40:35,743
free Black man...

954
00:40:35,743 --> 00:40:36,976
GATES: Right.

955
00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:39,476
MANGANIELLO: Living at a
time when that was, you know,

956
00:40:39,476 --> 00:40:41,376
just against the odds.

957
00:40:41,376 --> 00:40:43,043
GATES: As rare as rare can be.

958
00:40:43,043 --> 00:40:46,709
MANGANIELLO: I mean for me
to be sitting here today, like,

959
00:40:46,709 --> 00:40:49,476
it's like threading a
needle with a bow and arrow

960
00:40:49,476 --> 00:40:51,609
at 100 yards three times.

961
00:40:51,609 --> 00:40:53,676
GATES: It's true, it's true.
It is true.

962
00:40:53,676 --> 00:40:55,309
MANGANIELLO:
It's, it's impossible.

963
00:40:57,143 --> 00:40:59,609
GATES: Turning back
to Tony Gonzalez,

964
00:40:59,609 --> 00:41:02,843
we had one more seemingly
impossible story to share...

965
00:41:04,176 --> 00:41:06,076
Tony's third great-grandfather,

966
00:41:06,076 --> 00:41:09,743
George Betts, was
likely born into slavery

967
00:41:09,743 --> 00:41:14,376
in Wilmington, North Carolina
sometime around the year 1828.

968
00:41:15,876 --> 00:41:18,509
Searching for
traces of his life,

969
00:41:18,509 --> 00:41:21,076
we found something that
every African American

970
00:41:21,076 --> 00:41:22,709
hopes to find...

971
00:41:22,709 --> 00:41:25,243
But very few do.

972
00:41:26,543 --> 00:41:28,976
GONZALEZ: "$50 reward.

973
00:41:28,976 --> 00:41:32,543
The above award will be
given for the apprehension and

974
00:41:32,543 --> 00:41:35,676
return to me of my
Negro man George Betts,

975
00:41:36,376 --> 00:41:40,009
who run away on
Wednesday evening last.

976
00:41:40,009 --> 00:41:43,876
He is a tall mulatto,
about 26 to 27 years of age,

977
00:41:43,876 --> 00:41:47,209
well known about town,
a carpenter by trade,

978
00:41:47,209 --> 00:41:49,643
and was purchased by Mrs. Betts.

979
00:41:49,643 --> 00:41:52,209
He is most probably
lurking about town."

980
00:41:52,576 --> 00:41:56,909
GATES: Tony, your third
great grandfather ran away.

981
00:41:56,909 --> 00:41:59,743
He escaped from his enslaver.

982
00:41:59,743 --> 00:42:01,243
GONZALEZ: Damn right he did.

983
00:42:01,243 --> 00:42:02,243
GATES: What's it
like to see that?

984
00:42:02,243 --> 00:42:03,476
You know, we all know the,

985
00:42:03,476 --> 00:42:04,876
you heard about the
Underground Railroad?

986
00:42:04,876 --> 00:42:06,109
GONZALEZ: Uh-huh.

987
00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:07,976
GATES: And we know that some
enslaved people ran away,

988
00:42:07,976 --> 00:42:10,209
but there's actual proof
that your ancestor,

989
00:42:10,209 --> 00:42:12,409
listed by name,
actually ran away.

990
00:42:12,409 --> 00:42:15,643
GONZALEZ: That, yeah, well,
it doesn't surprise me.

991
00:42:16,076 --> 00:42:18,276
My family, they don't
like authority too much.

992
00:42:18,676 --> 00:42:20,809
We, we, I'm with it too.

993
00:42:20,809 --> 00:42:23,676
Can't tell me anything,
that's good.

994
00:42:25,143 --> 00:42:27,009
GATES: At the time
of his escape,

995
00:42:27,009 --> 00:42:29,409
George had at least
three children with a

996
00:42:29,409 --> 00:42:31,609
woman named Polly.

997
00:42:31,976 --> 00:42:34,609
Polly is Tony's third
great-grandmother,

998
00:42:35,276 --> 00:42:37,943
and we believe that George
likely ran away because his

999
00:42:37,943 --> 00:42:41,576
owner was trying to sell him,
and thus separate him,

1000
00:42:41,576 --> 00:42:43,743
from Polly and their family...

1001
00:42:44,143 --> 00:42:48,243
But, whatever his reasons,
George's plan did not succeed.

1002
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:53,109
GONZALEZ: "I hereby notify
the public that the outlawry

1003
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:54,909
against my boy,

1004
00:42:54,909 --> 00:42:56,909
George Betts, is
hereby recalled."

1005
00:42:56,909 --> 00:42:58,809
GATES: Mm-hmm, that
means he was caught.

1006
00:42:58,809 --> 00:43:00,676
GONZALEZ: Oh, okay.

1007
00:43:00,676 --> 00:43:02,276
GATES: That means, "You don't
have to look for him anymore

1008
00:43:02,276 --> 00:43:05,076
'cause we found
him and he's home."

1009
00:43:05,076 --> 00:43:06,476
GONZALEZ: Okay.

1010
00:43:06,476 --> 00:43:08,143
GATES: So now comes
his punishment.

1011
00:43:08,143 --> 00:43:10,976
What do you think
happened to him?

1012
00:43:10,976 --> 00:43:13,276
GONZALEZ: I don't
even wanna know.

1013
00:43:13,509 --> 00:43:14,776
(laughter).

1014
00:43:14,776 --> 00:43:16,476
I hope for his
sake it wasn't bad.

1015
00:43:16,476 --> 00:43:17,576
We'll see.

1016
00:43:17,576 --> 00:43:18,976
Maybe they sold him
down anyway, I don't know.

1017
00:43:18,976 --> 00:43:22,443
GATES: Well, let's find out.
Please turn the page.

1018
00:43:22,443 --> 00:43:26,576
Tony, the record you're looking
at is dated January 15th, 1855,

1019
00:43:26,576 --> 00:43:28,443
four days after the
notice you just read

1020
00:43:28,443 --> 00:43:29,909
about George's capture.

1021
00:43:29,909 --> 00:43:33,143
Would you please read
the transcribed portion?

1022
00:43:33,143 --> 00:43:35,743
GONZALEZ: "I,
William A. Berry have sold

1023
00:43:35,743 --> 00:43:39,476
and delivered unto
the said Joshua G. Wright

1024
00:43:39,476 --> 00:43:41,609
a certain Negro
slave named George,

1025
00:43:41,609 --> 00:43:43,143
a carpenter by trade."

1026
00:43:43,143 --> 00:43:44,276
So he sold him?

1027
00:43:44,276 --> 00:43:45,576
GATES: He sold him.

1028
00:43:45,576 --> 00:43:48,009
Your third-great-grandfather
ended up being sold away from

1029
00:43:48,009 --> 00:43:50,943
the woman he loved and the
three children he fathered.

1030
00:43:50,943 --> 00:43:53,043
GATES: Can you imagine?

1031
00:43:53,043 --> 00:43:58,209
GONZALEZ: Ah, tough, tough.
GATES: Mm-hmm, that's...

1032
00:43:59,709 --> 00:44:03,009
GONZALEZ: The reality of a lot
of, uh, a lot of slaves.

1033
00:44:03,009 --> 00:44:04,776
GATES: Yeah.
GONZALEZ: Yeah.

1034
00:44:05,943 --> 00:44:07,843
GATES: George was
sold to a man named

1035
00:44:07,843 --> 00:44:10,376
Joshua G. Wright.

1036
00:44:10,376 --> 00:44:12,643
Fortunately, Wright
lived in Wilmington,

1037
00:44:12,643 --> 00:44:15,476
so George was not
far from his family.

1038
00:44:15,943 --> 00:44:17,576
We don't know, however,

1039
00:44:17,576 --> 00:44:19,676
if they were able
to see each other.

1040
00:44:19,676 --> 00:44:23,143
In fact, we know nothing
specific about George's

1041
00:44:23,143 --> 00:44:26,176
experience with Wright.

1042
00:44:26,176 --> 00:44:29,309
But as we dug through the
records that Wright left behind,

1043
00:44:29,309 --> 00:44:31,843
we found something
to help Tony imagine what

1044
00:44:31,843 --> 00:44:33,909
his ancestor endured...

1045
00:44:35,443 --> 00:44:37,043
GATES: Please turn the page.

1046
00:44:37,576 --> 00:44:39,343
Wanna know who that is?

1047
00:44:39,343 --> 00:44:42,243
GONZALEZ: Uh, do I
wanna know who this is?

1048
00:44:43,709 --> 00:44:44,909
Who is that?

1049
00:44:44,909 --> 00:44:47,043
GATES: That is the White
man who owned your ancestor.

1050
00:44:47,043 --> 00:44:48,176
(Gonzalez groans).

1051
00:44:48,176 --> 00:44:49,409
That is Joshua G. Wright.

1052
00:44:49,409 --> 00:44:50,543
GONZALEZ: Mmm.

1053
00:44:50,543 --> 00:44:51,976
GATES: He is the man who
bought your ancestor,

1054
00:44:51,976 --> 00:44:53,543
George when he ran away.

1055
00:44:53,543 --> 00:44:54,743
GONZALEZ: Yeah.

1056
00:44:54,743 --> 00:44:56,809
GATES: George would have
seen that man every day and

1057
00:44:56,809 --> 00:44:59,376
every day he
would've known that that

1058
00:44:59,376 --> 00:45:02,276
man had the power
to sell him further away...

1059
00:45:02,276 --> 00:45:03,476
GONZALEZ: Mm-hmm.

1060
00:45:03,476 --> 00:45:05,843
GATES: From his wife and
three children at his whim.

1061
00:45:05,843 --> 00:45:07,943
GONZALEZ: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

1062
00:45:09,043 --> 00:45:10,776
GATES: What do you
feel when you look at that?

1063
00:45:10,776 --> 00:45:13,776
GONZALEZ: You know, at first,
at, you go in waves.

1064
00:45:13,776 --> 00:45:16,743
The first thing you-you
wanna react is, like, anger...

1065
00:45:16,743 --> 00:45:17,776
GATES: Mm-hmm.

1066
00:45:17,776 --> 00:45:19,143
GONZALEZ: And go,
"Screw this guy."

1067
00:45:19,143 --> 00:45:20,609
GATES: Mm-hmm.
GONZALEZ: "Eff him."

1068
00:45:20,609 --> 00:45:22,276
GATES: Mm-hmm.
GONZALEZ: You know?

1069
00:45:22,276 --> 00:45:25,276
But then, you think,
"Andrew Jackson."

1070
00:45:25,276 --> 00:45:26,509
GATES: Mm-hmm.

1071
00:45:26,509 --> 00:45:28,476
GONZALEZ: "Presidents" uh...
GATES: George Washington.

1072
00:45:28,476 --> 00:45:29,876
GONZALEZ: "George Washington"
people...

1073
00:45:29,876 --> 00:45:31,109
GATES: Right.

1074
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:32,409
GONZALEZ: Political power,
leaders of our nation, they,

1075
00:45:32,409 --> 00:45:33,376
this was normal.

1076
00:45:33,376 --> 00:45:34,543
GATES: Mm-hmm.

1077
00:45:34,543 --> 00:45:36,276
GONZALEZ: This is just,
it just is what it is.

1078
00:45:36,276 --> 00:45:37,743
GATES: Mm-hmm.

1079
00:45:37,743 --> 00:45:39,143
GONZALEZ: And so
I think to myself,

1080
00:45:39,143 --> 00:45:41,609
this guy didn't
know any better.

1081
00:45:41,609 --> 00:45:42,943
He's just doing the norm,
this is what everybody did.

1082
00:45:42,943 --> 00:45:44,143
GATES: Mm-hmm.
GONZALEZ: Everybody had slaves.

1083
00:45:44,143 --> 00:45:45,476
It's not, it's not like he said,

1084
00:45:45,476 --> 00:45:47,143
'Oh, I'm gonna do
something awful.'

1085
00:45:47,143 --> 00:45:48,609
This, awful was the norm.

1086
00:45:48,609 --> 00:45:49,909
GATES: Right.

1087
00:45:49,909 --> 00:45:53,909
GONZALEZ: And so I'm not gonna
get too emotional with-with

1088
00:45:54,176 --> 00:45:57,909
anger or-or sadness because
of this ignorant man.

1089
00:45:58,376 --> 00:45:59,309
GATES: Mm-hmm.

1090
00:45:59,309 --> 00:46:00,676
GONZALEZ: Not gonna
call him a fool.

1091
00:46:00,676 --> 00:46:01,976
He didn't know.

1092
00:46:01,976 --> 00:46:03,443
GATES: Mm-hmm.
GONZALEZ: You know.

1093
00:46:03,443 --> 00:46:05,443
So that's the way I
look at all ignorance,

1094
00:46:05,443 --> 00:46:07,909
whether it's going on
today or back then.

1095
00:46:07,909 --> 00:46:09,143
A lot of these people,
they don't know.

1096
00:46:09,143 --> 00:46:11,709
His dad, who knows how he
was raised or what he was told.

1097
00:46:11,709 --> 00:46:12,809
GATES: Mm-hmm.

1098
00:46:12,809 --> 00:46:14,276
GONZALEZ: Racism, to this day,
it's learned.

1099
00:46:14,276 --> 00:46:15,609
Little-little kids
aren't racist.

1100
00:46:15,609 --> 00:46:16,843
GATES: Mm-hmm.

1101
00:46:16,843 --> 00:46:18,109
GONZALEZ: Go spend some
time with kids at a school...

1102
00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:19,243
GATES: Yeah.

1103
00:46:19,243 --> 00:46:20,476
GONZALEZ: In a kindergarten,
they're not racist.

1104
00:46:20,476 --> 00:46:21,709
That's learned.

1105
00:46:21,709 --> 00:46:24,043
And so this fool had learned
this from his parents.

1106
00:46:24,809 --> 00:46:27,543
GATES: Despite the system
that so abused them,

1107
00:46:27,543 --> 00:46:31,176
Tony's ancestors forged a bond
that could not be severed.

1108
00:46:32,243 --> 00:46:36,876
In 1866, just a year
after the Civil War,

1109
00:46:36,876 --> 00:46:39,776
George and Polly appear on
what was known as a

1110
00:46:39,776 --> 00:46:41,709
"cohabitation record"

1111
00:46:41,709 --> 00:46:45,876
formalizing a decades-long
relationship that had not

1112
00:46:45,876 --> 00:46:48,943
been legally
recognized under slavery...

1113
00:46:49,909 --> 00:46:51,743
GATES: So Tony, what it
means is as soon as your

1114
00:46:51,743 --> 00:46:53,943
ancestors were free,
they got married.

1115
00:46:53,943 --> 00:46:55,209
GONZALEZ: Yeah.
GATES: In effect.

1116
00:46:55,209 --> 00:46:56,443
GONZALEZ: How cool.
GATES: Isn't that amazing?

1117
00:46:56,443 --> 00:46:57,709
GONZALEZ: Yeah, good for them.

1118
00:46:57,709 --> 00:47:02,376
I love how they were
together for that long,

1119
00:47:02,709 --> 00:47:05,909
and then as soon as they get
the chance to make it legal,

1120
00:47:05,909 --> 00:47:07,009
they-they do it.

1121
00:47:07,009 --> 00:47:08,476
GATES: Mm-hmm.

1122
00:47:08,476 --> 00:47:11,709
GONZALEZ: Um, I think it speaks
to who they were as a people.

1123
00:47:12,976 --> 00:47:15,409
GATES: George and Polly
not only stayed together,

1124
00:47:15,409 --> 00:47:17,109
they flourished.

1125
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:19,909
The 1870 census for Wilmington,

1126
00:47:19,909 --> 00:47:23,109
indicates that they
owned their home at a time

1127
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:26,509
when only about 5% of
African Americans in the

1128
00:47:26,509 --> 00:47:29,976
South possessed any real estate.

1129
00:47:31,209 --> 00:47:32,609
What's more...

1130
00:47:32,609 --> 00:47:35,176
In a newspaper article
published five years later,

1131
00:47:35,176 --> 00:47:37,443
we saw that George
wasn't just leading his

1132
00:47:37,443 --> 00:47:39,709
community economically...

1133
00:47:39,709 --> 00:47:41,743
He was risking his life for it.

1134
00:47:42,909 --> 00:47:44,843
GONZALEZ: "Election of officers.

1135
00:47:44,843 --> 00:47:47,943
There are now five colored
military companies in this city.

1136
00:47:47,943 --> 00:47:51,409
A meeting was held last night
for the purpose of completing

1137
00:47:51,409 --> 00:47:56,043
by an election of officers of
the 22nd Regiment State Militia.

1138
00:47:57,009 --> 00:47:59,443
The election resulted
in the following choice,

1139
00:47:59,443 --> 00:48:01,876
Major Geo W. Betts."

1140
00:48:02,576 --> 00:48:04,509
GATES: Your third-great
grandfather was elected as an

1141
00:48:04,509 --> 00:48:08,609
officer in an all-Black
militia unit ten years after

1142
00:48:08,609 --> 00:48:09,943
the end of the Civil War.

1143
00:48:09,943 --> 00:48:12,343
Has this story been passed
down in your mom's family?

1144
00:48:12,343 --> 00:48:14,443
GONZALEZ: No, nah, nobody
knows anything about this.

1145
00:48:14,443 --> 00:48:16,576
GATES: Any idea why
a militia was needed?

1146
00:48:16,576 --> 00:48:18,476
GONZALEZ: Protection from...

1147
00:48:18,476 --> 00:48:19,976
GATES: Protection
from the Klan and...

1148
00:48:19,976 --> 00:48:21,176
GONZALEZ: From the Klan, yeah.

1149
00:48:21,176 --> 00:48:22,976
GATES: Other racists, yeah,
you know, not everybody,

1150
00:48:22,976 --> 00:48:24,209
Tony, was thrilled...

1151
00:48:24,209 --> 00:48:25,243
GONZALEZ: Yeah.

1152
00:48:25,243 --> 00:48:26,643
GATES: By the abolition
of slavery, right?

1153
00:48:26,643 --> 00:48:27,776
GONZALEZ: Yeah.

1154
00:48:27,776 --> 00:48:29,109
GATES: And so these White
supremacist organizations

1155
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:30,809
terrorized the Black community.

1156
00:48:30,809 --> 00:48:32,009
GONZALEZ: Yeah.

1157
00:48:32,009 --> 00:48:33,509
GATES: And Black people formed,

1158
00:48:33,509 --> 00:48:34,643
in this case,

1159
00:48:34,643 --> 00:48:36,776
an all-Black
militia to fight back.

1160
00:48:36,776 --> 00:48:38,409
Your ancestor not
only was part of it,

1161
00:48:38,409 --> 00:48:40,309
he was elected a Major!

1162
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:43,376
GONZALEZ: Wow, that's,
that's, that's all you

1163
00:48:43,376 --> 00:48:45,109
could hope for, you know.

1164
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:47,809
You go through all that
terrible enslavement,

1165
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:49,409
come out of it,

1166
00:48:49,409 --> 00:48:52,743
you still got your family,
uh, and your kids,

1167
00:48:52,743 --> 00:48:56,209
and then you-you stand
up for what's right, um,

1168
00:48:56,509 --> 00:49:00,276
it shows me and tells me
that he was a hell of a,

1169
00:49:00,276 --> 00:49:02,409
hell of a citizen,
a hell of a man.

1170
00:49:02,409 --> 00:49:05,543
GATES: And he was willing to
die to protect the freedom of

1171
00:49:05,543 --> 00:49:07,409
newly freed Black people.

1172
00:49:07,409 --> 00:49:08,676
GONZALEZ: Yeah, yeah.

1173
00:49:08,676 --> 00:49:09,709
GATES: What's it
like to learn this?

1174
00:49:09,709 --> 00:49:11,743
GONZALEZ: Proud, proud of him.

1175
00:49:11,743 --> 00:49:15,309
It's, you look at that and
you think about the things that,

1176
00:49:15,309 --> 00:49:18,609
that you've gone through,
that I've gone through in life

1177
00:49:18,609 --> 00:49:20,809
and you think you've been tough,

1178
00:49:20,809 --> 00:49:22,409
you think you've persevered,

1179
00:49:22,409 --> 00:49:25,176
you think you've-you've
done the hard things,

1180
00:49:25,176 --> 00:49:26,876
and I have to a
certain extent-extent,

1181
00:49:26,876 --> 00:49:28,143
but nothing like this.

1182
00:49:28,143 --> 00:49:29,309
Nothing like this!

1183
00:49:29,309 --> 00:49:30,543
This guy?
I am nothing!

1184
00:49:30,543 --> 00:49:31,709
GATES: No, no.

1185
00:49:31,709 --> 00:49:33,143
GONZALEZ: Compared to my
great-great-great grandpa,

1186
00:49:33,143 --> 00:49:34,376
third-third?

1187
00:49:34,376 --> 00:49:35,543
GATES: Third-great...

1188
00:49:35,543 --> 00:49:36,743
GONZALEZ:
Third-great grandfather.

1189
00:49:36,743 --> 00:49:37,809
GATES: That's right.

1190
00:49:37,809 --> 00:49:39,876
GONZALEZ: Uh, yeah, he
was the, he was the man.

1191
00:49:40,876 --> 00:49:44,676
GATES: The paper trail had now
run out for each of my guests.

1192
00:49:44,676 --> 00:49:47,609
It was time to unfurl
their family trees,

1193
00:49:47,609 --> 00:49:50,809
now filled with names
they'd never heard before.

1194
00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:52,476
MANGANIELLO: Wow, this is big.

1195
00:49:52,476 --> 00:49:53,509
GATES: It is big.

1196
00:49:53,509 --> 00:49:55,043
MANGANIELLO: This is very big.

1197
00:49:55,043 --> 00:49:57,676
GONZALEZ: That is awesome,
that's cool.

1198
00:49:57,676 --> 00:50:02,043
GATES: Seeing their newfound
ancestors laid out before them,

1199
00:50:02,043 --> 00:50:05,443
crisscrossing
continents and cultures,

1200
00:50:05,443 --> 00:50:10,043
compelled each man to
rethink his own identity.

1201
00:50:11,143 --> 00:50:14,509
MANGANIELLO: If I'm a tree,
the tree has roots for

1202
00:50:14,509 --> 00:50:16,143
the first time.

1203
00:50:16,143 --> 00:50:19,176
It's not going to blow away.

1204
00:50:19,176 --> 00:50:21,643
I know what it is and I know
who the people were that were

1205
00:50:21,643 --> 00:50:23,776
involved and I know
where I came from.

1206
00:50:23,776 --> 00:50:28,009
Um, so, I think it's
really about, you know,

1207
00:50:28,009 --> 00:50:31,576
it's about understanding
what I am a part of

1208
00:50:31,576 --> 00:50:32,976
instead of wondering.

1209
00:50:32,976 --> 00:50:34,543
GONZALEZ: I'm inspired.

1210
00:50:34,543 --> 00:50:37,476
Seeing my family and
what they've gone through,

1211
00:50:37,476 --> 00:50:41,743
and what they've stood for,
oh, God, it's inspiring.

1212
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:43,643
It's a lot to live up to...

1213
00:50:43,643 --> 00:50:45,943
GATES: Yeah.
GONZALEZ: Uh, but I love it.

1214
00:50:46,343 --> 00:50:49,243
GATES: My time with my
guests was running out,

1215
00:50:49,243 --> 00:50:52,143
but I had a final
surprise for Tony.

1216
00:50:52,609 --> 00:50:55,043
When we looked closely
at his family tree,

1217
00:50:55,043 --> 00:50:56,909
we discovered that
we could connect him,

1218
00:50:56,909 --> 00:50:58,743
via a paper trail,

1219
00:50:58,743 --> 00:51:02,509
to one of the most famous
people who's ever lived...

1220
00:51:05,743 --> 00:51:07,409
GATES: William Shakespeare.

1221
00:51:07,409 --> 00:51:08,776
GONZALEZ: Get the...

1222
00:51:08,776 --> 00:51:10,209
(laughs).

1223
00:51:10,209 --> 00:51:11,209
What?

1224
00:51:11,209 --> 00:51:13,376
GATES: Yes.
GONZALEZ: What?

1225
00:51:13,609 --> 00:51:17,876
GATES: Shakespeare is your
first cousin 12 times removed.

1226
00:51:18,509 --> 00:51:20,109
GONZALEZ: Why am I
getting emotional?

1227
00:51:20,109 --> 00:51:21,109
That's crazy.

1228
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:22,443
GATES: Isn't that amazing?

1229
00:51:22,443 --> 00:51:24,743
GONZALEZ: Oh, oh, man.

1230
00:51:24,743 --> 00:51:27,809
GATES: Tony and
William Shakespeare share a

1231
00:51:27,809 --> 00:51:31,309
common ancestor through
Tony's grandmother, Helen.

1232
00:51:32,109 --> 00:51:33,776
Her 10th great-grandfather

1233
00:51:33,776 --> 00:51:36,276
was a man named
Richard Shakespeare.

1234
00:51:36,543 --> 00:51:38,109
And Richard Shakespeare

1235
00:51:38,109 --> 00:51:41,843
was William Shakespeare's
grandfather.

1236
00:51:42,243 --> 00:51:44,609
(laughter)

1237
00:51:44,609 --> 00:51:48,543
GONZALEZ: Oh, man,
that's the most mind-blowing

1238
00:51:48,543 --> 00:51:49,909
thing I've ever heard about.

1239
00:51:49,909 --> 00:51:51,809
GATES: Yeah.
GONZALEZ: Obviously, obviously,

1240
00:51:51,809 --> 00:51:53,209
this is why you
come on this show.

1241
00:51:53,209 --> 00:51:54,209
This is amazing!

1242
00:51:54,209 --> 00:51:56,009
GATES: That's right.

1243
00:51:56,643 --> 00:51:59,609
That's the end of our
journey with Tony Gonzalez and

1244
00:51:59,609 --> 00:52:01,543
Joe Manganiello.

1245
00:52:01,543 --> 00:52:04,576
Join me next time when we
unlock the secrets of the past

1246
00:52:04,576 --> 00:52:05,943
for new guests,

1247
00:52:05,943 --> 00:52:09,809
on another episode of
"“Finding Your Roots"”.