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The theory seems to be
that Ben Rifkin was bullying you.
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You got a knife...
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Wait, he was bullying you?
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Dr. Vogel is an authority
in genetic inheritance in behavior.
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Do you have any doubts
about Jacob's innocence?
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I wanna dig deeper into Leonard Patz.
I wanna see his case file.
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So, he was aware
of his burgeoning celebrity.
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Hey, bud. Who you playing with?
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Oh, just some guy.
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This is why you can't be on social media.
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- All this stuff gets stored somewhere.
- I know.
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- So you're staying off it?
- Yes.
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We all need to come clean with each other.
No more secrets.
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Your grandfather... he's in prison.
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What did he do?
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He killed a girl.
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- I just wanted it. That's all.
- But why did you want it?
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I just did. It was a cool knife.
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The DA will say you bought it
because you were being bullied by Ben.
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They're gonna use that as motive.
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But it wasn't.
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Your friend Derek
seems to think otherwise.
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Tell me why you think Derek connected
your knife to what happened to Ben.
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I don't know.
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Maybe he's the real killer,
and he wants to blame me for it.
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- Whoa. Hold on a minute.
- What?
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- I'm just saying.
- This isn't a game, Jacob.
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If you think Derek
had something to do with this,
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we need to know why you think it.
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You really think Derek had
something to do with this?
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I don't.
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You asked me why he's blaming me.
I don't know why.
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Had you ever said anything to him
about wanting to hurt Ben?
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- I don't think so.
- That's not a no.
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Maybe,
but not in a way that meant anything.
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I mean, Derek didn't like him either.
A lot of kids didn't.
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Where is the knife now?
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Andy, you have it?
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It was a dangerous weapon.
I threw it away.
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I did what any parent would've done.
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So the knife is gone?
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This is well before
Jacob was considered a suspect.
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Andy, I'm not accusing you of anything.
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I'm trying to ascertain what happened.
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Right, right, right. Yes.
Sorry. It's gone.
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Had you taken it to school
on the day Ben was killed?
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No.
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Have it with you in the park that morning?
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When you left for school,
did you follow your usual route?
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Yeah.
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So the spot where Ben was killed
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just happened to be on
the very same path you normally follow?
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I guess so.
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I never really thought about it that way.
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Before you discovered Ben's body,
did you see or hear anything unusual?
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You sure?
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I was just walking, and then...
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there he was,
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just lying there
at the bottom of this slope,
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in a bunch of leaves.
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Dry leaves or wet leaves?
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Wet.
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So, you found this body lying
on the ground. What did you do?
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- I kind of called his name, like...
- Ben?
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"Ben? Ben? Are you okay?"
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You recognized him right away?
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Yeah.
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In the police report,
you said that he was lying face down,
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his head at the bottom of the slope.
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And unless I'm missing something,
from that angle,
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all you could see
was the bottom of his sneakers?
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No. I could see more than that.
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So, then what?
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He wasn't moving, so I went down the hill
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to see if he was hurt or something.
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Did you cry out for help?
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No.
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Did it occur to you to call 911?
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Yeah, but I didn't...
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I didn't know what it was at first.
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I thought it could've been an accident.
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Like maybe he fell or something.
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Fell on what exactly?
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On... I don't know. I'm just saying...
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And if it was an accident,
you wouldn't need to call 911?
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No. It's... That's...
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You're twisting things.
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Why didn't you just call me?
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Andy, if you don't mind...
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I thought I'd get in trouble or something.
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- In trouble?
- Andy, please.
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What happened next, Jacob?
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I went down the hill,
and I got down beside him.
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Got down on your knees.
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I think so. Yeah.
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In the wet leaves?
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Or maybe I was standing.
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Stayed standing?
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I honestly don't remember.
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Derek saw you at school
a short while later.
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He said that your clothes
looked perfectly clean.
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I guess I was standing, then.
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Then what?
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Then I rolled him over to check on him.
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How did you roll him over?
With your foot? Your hands?
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- Hand.
- Even though you were standing?
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I bent down.
I remember bending down to turn him over.
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Is that how your fingerprint wound up
on the tag of Ben's sweatshirt?
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Maybe. I guess.
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So you rolled him over by his collar.
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Yes, right. So...
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that's when I saw the blood,
and I started freaking out.
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Because face up, it was now apparent
that Ben had been attacked.
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- Yeah.
- Was there a lot of blood?
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Yes.
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And still, your phone
remained in your pocket.
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I got scared, and I figured someone else
would find him pretty soon anyways.
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You said you were freaking out.
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Yes, I was.
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When Derek saw you later at school,
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he described you
as being in a good mood that morning.
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I didn't want him to know.
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Why not? He's your good friend, isn't he?
Why didn't you feel like you could tell...
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I don't know why. I just didn't, okay?
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- Hey.
- What?
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It's obvious she doesn't believe me.
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Jacob, let me tell you something.
It doesn't matter if I believe you.
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I'm your lawyer, not your mom or dad.
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Well, that's what really happened.
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No one's saying it didn't.
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Yeah, right. You don't think I can tell
the way you're asking those questions?
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What way is that?
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- I feel like you're trying to trick me.
- What question was a trick?
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- You know what I mean.
- Actually, I don't.
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In what way am I trying to trick you?
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Joanna, please. You made your point.
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Jacob, I am sorry that I upset you,
but I promise you,
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what we are doing here is nothing compared
to what Mr. Logiudice will do to you
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if you take the stand.
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Your story has holes in it.
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I don't know why,
and maybe you don't either.
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Our memories are often less reliable
than we think,
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particularly in moments of stress.
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But if I were a juror,
I'd have a lot of questions.
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It's the truth.
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Not all the details.
You messed me up on those.
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Okay. Okay.
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It's not okay. She just said
the jury won't believe me, so...
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That's why we're not gonna
put you on the witness stand.
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I think that's wise.
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How will I tell my story?
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That's my job, not yours.
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- Then what's his defense?
- He doesn't need one.
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What?
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Burden of proof is on the prosecution.
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Exactly.
We're just going to attack their case
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until there is nothing left to attack.
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That's our defense.
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All right, we'll convene again
next week, young man.
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You guys go wait in the car.
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I'm just gonna talk to Joanna
for a second, okay?
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It's a mistake.
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Oh, you don't honestly think
he belongs on the stand.
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No, of course not,
but we can't just deflect.
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Juries want a story,
and we gotta give 'em one. A better one.
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I don't disagree, but right now,
all the evidence points one way.
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And I'm sorry,
I'm speaking to you lawyer-to-lawyer here.
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The knife they found in the park...
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You saw the forensics report.
It's not a match.
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He didn't do it, Joanna.
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I know his story sucks, but he's a kid.
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They get confused. They say dumb things.
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I know.
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He's innocent.
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We're gonna get him through this,
I promise,
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but when you start talking about
giving the jury a better story...
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The story is Leonard Patz.
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There is nothing
connecting him to this case.
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Yeah, 'cause no one's looked.
No one's taken the time.
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I know there's something there,
and I'm not gonna stop until I find it.
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Just tread carefully, okay?
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Okay.
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Oh, and I forgot to mention, I got
a voice mail from a Globe reporter.
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I think they're in town doing
some magazine piece on this.
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If you and Laurie get approached, do not...
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Yeah, yeah. Obviously.
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Any press is bad press right now.
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Thanks, Joanna.
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Mrs. Hazen said to come to the office.
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I was told...
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Come on in, Derek.
Have a seat next to your mom.
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Ma, is Middle East
considered Africa or Asia?
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I think it's part of both.
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I don't get why
we have to do this every night.
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Eat?
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No, have this big sit-down dinner.
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We never used to. Not like this.
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Well, we do now.
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It's like we're trying
to pretend we're normal.
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Is that so bad?
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It is when it's fake normal.
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Jacob, what do you want us to do?
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We've never been in this situation before.
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What does a parent do?
Just tell me, and I'll do it.
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You wanna go for burgers at Lee's
and have the whole town stare at us?
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That's fine. We can do that.
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- Honey.
- No! I mean it.
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Maybe we're doing this wrong,
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acting like prisoners in our own home,
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sneaking out at all hours
just to get a simple errand done.
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Just tell me what to do, because
I have absolutely no idea anymore. Okay?
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Okay. I'm sorry.
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I shouldn't have said anything.
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It's fine.
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We can order pizza tomorrow.
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You guys hear about the hipster
who burned his mouth on his pizza?
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He ate it before it was considered cool.
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Got a telegram from headquarters today.
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Headquarters? What is it?
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Well, it's a big building where generals
meet, but that's not important right now.
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They cleared you of any blame
for what happened on that raid.
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- Isn't that good news?
- I can't believe you've never seen this.
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We should make this a thing,
like movie night or something.
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Works for me.
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Because of my mistake,
six men didn't return from that raid.
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Seven. Lieutenant Zipp died this morning.
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Well, Dr. Sandler says you'll be out
in a week. Isn't that wonderful?
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Wish I could say the same for George Zipp.
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Be patient, Ted. Nobody expects you
to get over this immediately.
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Hey, Striker, how about a break?
I'm gettin' tired.
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Yeah, all right. Take five.
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Thanks.
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I found a wonderful apartment for us.
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Has a brick fireplace
and a cute little bedroom
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with mirrors on the ceiling, and...
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Red Leader! Red Leader, I'm going down!
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Captain Geline.
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He thinks he's a pilot
still fighting the war.
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I found the tunnel, Johnson!
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Directing your attention to those
documents collectively marked Exhibit 12.
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On May 30th of last year,
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the Meriden Messenger received
an e-mail through its website
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requesting any and all reporting
on former resident William James Barber
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between the dates of December 1986
and January 1988.
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Copies were sent out
to a Ms. Agnes Martin.
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- Do you recognize this address?
- It's our home.
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And who's Agnes Martin?
248
00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,271
She's an abstract painter.
Laurie was an Art History major.
249
00:16:19,355 --> 00:16:20,523
A pseudonym then.
250
00:16:22,817 --> 00:16:25,069
Were you aware that she had done this?
251
00:16:26,195 --> 00:16:27,279
Not at the time. No.
252
00:16:27,780 --> 00:16:29,365
And why do you believe she did?
253
00:16:31,283 --> 00:16:34,954
Probably wasn't very much online.
Wasn't really big news when it happened.
254
00:16:35,329 --> 00:16:37,790
What wasn't very big news?
255
00:16:42,128 --> 00:16:43,129
The murder.
256
00:16:44,297 --> 00:16:45,715
Could you be more specific?
257
00:16:47,383 --> 00:16:48,759
The murder my father committed.
258
00:16:48,843 --> 00:16:52,805
And rape. He raped his 19-year-old victim
as well. Is that right?
259
00:16:57,685 --> 00:16:58,686
Yes.
260
00:17:02,148 --> 00:17:05,568
Is it true that your wife had no knowledge
of your father's history
261
00:17:05,651 --> 00:17:07,570
- prior to Jacob's arrest?
- Yes.
262
00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:11,365
In fact,
she didn't even know the man existed.
263
00:17:12,700 --> 00:17:14,201
That must've been quite a shock.
264
00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,080
She took it in stride.
We had bigger things to worry about.
265
00:17:18,497 --> 00:17:22,209
Still. To find out that your husband's
father was none other than...
266
00:17:23,628 --> 00:17:27,632
What was the nickname they call him?
Comes up in a few of these articles.
267
00:17:28,799 --> 00:17:30,009
Bloody Billy.
268
00:17:30,926 --> 00:17:33,638
Right. Bloody Billy Barber.
269
00:17:55,158 --> 00:17:56,327
Hey, Billy.
270
00:17:56,410 --> 00:17:57,619
How you doing, Andy?
271
00:17:58,829 --> 00:18:00,873
What's the matter, kid? Afraid of me?
272
00:18:00,955 --> 00:18:02,500
- Billy, stop.
- Look at me.
273
00:18:02,583 --> 00:18:04,042
- You're scaring him.
- Shut up.
274
00:18:04,502 --> 00:18:06,878
I said look at me.
275
00:18:08,214 --> 00:18:11,050
You scared of me? Huh?
276
00:18:11,634 --> 00:18:12,885
He's shy, okay?
277
00:18:12,969 --> 00:18:14,804
- Look at me.
- Stop.
278
00:18:14,887 --> 00:18:16,430
- You afraid of me, Andy?
- Stop it.
279
00:18:16,514 --> 00:18:18,599
- Look at your old man.
- That's it. We're going.
280
00:18:18,683 --> 00:18:20,935
- Look at me now!
- Stop it! Billy, stop!
281
00:19:16,782 --> 00:19:17,783
Andy?
282
00:19:18,826 --> 00:19:19,827
Yeah?
283
00:19:21,412 --> 00:19:25,374
Is there a part of you,
even a tiny part...
284
00:19:27,335 --> 00:19:28,836
thinks he might've done it?
285
00:19:34,592 --> 00:19:35,718
Of course not.
286
00:20:50,835 --> 00:20:53,379
- Mrs. McGrath?
- Who's asking?
287
00:20:53,879 --> 00:20:56,841
I represent Jacob Barber. I was hoping
I could speak to your son, Matthew.
288
00:20:56,924 --> 00:20:58,092
Jacob who?
289
00:20:59,385 --> 00:21:00,761
The murder in Cold Spring Park.
290
00:21:01,262 --> 00:21:04,598
Oh, right. The kid. You his lawyer?
291
00:21:05,266 --> 00:21:06,350
His father, actually.
292
00:21:07,476 --> 00:21:08,477
No shit.
293
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:10,396
Is Matthew here?
294
00:21:11,314 --> 00:21:13,691
Yeah, he's here.
What's he got to do with it?
295
00:21:13,774 --> 00:21:16,569
No, not him. Leonard Patz.
296
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,281
All right.
297
00:21:26,078 --> 00:21:28,497
That's Amelia. Don't try to pet her,
though. She's a bitch.
298
00:21:28,581 --> 00:21:29,665
Matt!
299
00:21:29,749 --> 00:21:32,168
He's in there with his girlfriend,
doing God knows what.
300
00:21:32,251 --> 00:21:33,502
These freaking kids.
301
00:21:33,586 --> 00:21:36,172
Well, I don't have to tell you.
I mean, look who I'm talking to.
302
00:21:36,255 --> 00:21:37,256
Matt!
303
00:21:37,632 --> 00:21:39,383
Hey, how'd you get our names, anyway?
304
00:21:39,467 --> 00:21:41,927
I thought sex victims
are supposed to be confidential.
305
00:21:42,011 --> 00:21:43,888
I used to work with the DA's office.
306
00:21:44,764 --> 00:21:47,183
I'm just trying to get some information
on Leonard Patz. That's all.
307
00:21:48,142 --> 00:21:49,977
You know what he did to Matt, right?
308
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,607
- He groped him in the library.
- He groped him in the balls.
309
00:21:55,066 --> 00:21:57,068
- Matt!
- What?
310
00:21:57,568 --> 00:21:59,320
I'm calling your goddamn name!
311
00:21:59,403 --> 00:22:01,656
There's a man here
who wants to speak to ya!
312
00:22:11,916 --> 00:22:14,961
- You're Matthew McGrath?
- Matt. Who are you?
313
00:22:15,044 --> 00:22:17,588
Oh, shit. Wait. I've seen you on TV.
314
00:22:18,005 --> 00:22:20,174
His kid's the one
they think killed that kid at Archer.
315
00:22:20,257 --> 00:22:22,510
Listen, I just wanted to get
some information on Leonard Patz.
316
00:22:22,593 --> 00:22:24,720
Maybe there's somewhere you and I
can talk in private.
317
00:22:24,804 --> 00:22:26,180
Who says I wanna talk to you at all?
318
00:22:26,597 --> 00:22:28,557
- Hey, Matthew.
- Shut up, Ma.
319
00:22:29,475 --> 00:22:31,644
Look,
I don't know anything about it, okay?
320
00:22:31,727 --> 00:22:33,813
I don't know what you heard.
But whatever it was, was wrong.
321
00:22:33,896 --> 00:22:34,939
Okay.
322
00:22:37,608 --> 00:22:40,486
So, what? You think Patz was
the one who killed that kid in the park?
323
00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:43,698
I don't know. Do you?
324
00:22:43,781 --> 00:22:45,658
Dude, I just said
I don't wanna talk to you.
325
00:22:47,034 --> 00:22:48,786
Well, I'm gonna level with you, Matt.
326
00:22:49,787 --> 00:22:51,247
I don't really give a shit what you want.
327
00:22:51,330 --> 00:22:54,875
I read that statement
you gave to the police. I didn't buy it.
328
00:22:54,959 --> 00:22:57,878
Seeing as how they dropped the case,
I'm guessing they didn't buy it either.
329
00:22:57,962 --> 00:23:01,424
You said Patz approached you in a library,
chatted you up for about an hour,
330
00:23:01,507 --> 00:23:03,551
followed you into a bathroom,
grabbed your crotch,
331
00:23:03,634 --> 00:23:05,761
and then took off. Is that right?
332
00:23:06,387 --> 00:23:07,471
Yeah, so?
333
00:23:07,555 --> 00:23:09,724
So, I'm supposed to believe a registered
sex offender, on probation,
334
00:23:09,807 --> 00:23:12,101
is gonna risk ten years in prison
to cop a feel on a kid
335
00:23:12,184 --> 00:23:14,312
that wouldn't think twice
about beating the shit out of him?
336
00:23:14,395 --> 00:23:15,980
Come on. That doesn't track.
337
00:23:16,647 --> 00:23:20,609
The only thing I'd have a harder time
believing is that you were in a library.
338
00:23:21,152 --> 00:23:24,405
What's your connection to Patz?
You his dealer? Lover?
339
00:23:24,488 --> 00:23:25,489
Fuck you.
340
00:23:25,573 --> 00:23:28,534
Did Patz say anything about being
in the park the morning of the murder?
341
00:23:30,202 --> 00:23:31,537
Don't look at her. Look at me.
342
00:23:32,246 --> 00:23:34,290
If you know something about
the case against my son,
343
00:23:34,373 --> 00:23:36,459
you have to tell me. Now.
344
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,385
Ma, make him go.
345
00:23:46,469 --> 00:23:48,763
- My son's life is on the line, Matt.
- You gotta get outta here.
346
00:23:48,846 --> 00:23:50,848
- I don't fucking know anything.
- His life is on the line. You hear me?
347
00:23:50,931 --> 00:23:52,141
- You go to your room.
- My son's freedom.
348
00:23:52,224 --> 00:23:53,893
- I don't know anything.
- Give me any bit of information.
349
00:23:53,976 --> 00:23:55,311
- Get the fuck out!
- Shut up! Shut your face!
350
00:23:55,394 --> 00:23:57,063
You get out of my house!
I don't want you here!
351
00:23:57,146 --> 00:23:58,356
I need you to do the right thing.
352
00:23:58,439 --> 00:24:00,483
Get out. I don't know
who the fuck you think you are.
353
00:24:04,612 --> 00:24:07,990
Just do the right thing, Matt.
Your mother has my number.
354
00:25:37,955 --> 00:25:39,665
Sorry. We ran a little long.
355
00:25:39,749 --> 00:25:43,419
Really nice meeting you, Jacob. I look
forward to us talking again next Tuesday.
356
00:25:43,502 --> 00:25:44,545
All right.
357
00:25:45,796 --> 00:25:49,383
He's a very good sport.
He was really focused and he was...
358
00:25:51,218 --> 00:25:52,261
Is everything okay?
359
00:25:53,137 --> 00:25:56,265
- Yeah. I... Yeah. Sorry.
- Okay.
360
00:25:56,349 --> 00:25:57,350
Don't worry about it.
361
00:25:58,851 --> 00:26:01,771
- We're going to be late for his tutor.
- Yeah, okay. Of course.
362
00:26:03,648 --> 00:26:06,067
- You take care, okay?
- Yeah.
363
00:28:22,662 --> 00:28:23,663
Honey?
364
00:28:43,391 --> 00:28:45,101
Yeah. Shoot him. Shoot him, right there.
365
00:28:45,184 --> 00:28:46,018
Yeah, shoot him.
366
00:28:46,102 --> 00:28:47,561
What the hell did I tell you abo...
367
00:28:50,356 --> 00:28:51,607
Sorry.
368
00:28:53,025 --> 00:28:55,528
This is Sarah from school.
369
00:28:56,654 --> 00:28:58,280
Right. Okay, hi.
370
00:28:59,073 --> 00:29:01,701
We met before.
When you came to Archer that day.
371
00:29:01,784 --> 00:29:04,453
- Of course, of course. How are you?
- I'm fine, thanks.
372
00:29:04,537 --> 00:29:05,788
Nice to see you.
373
00:29:08,499 --> 00:29:10,501
I was just... checking in.
374
00:29:12,712 --> 00:29:13,838
Where's Mom?
375
00:29:13,921 --> 00:29:17,216
I'm not sure. She said something about
meeting someone from work.
376
00:29:17,758 --> 00:29:20,386
Okay. Well...
377
00:29:21,971 --> 00:29:23,014
have fun.
378
00:29:25,474 --> 00:29:26,642
Right. Sorry.
379
00:29:29,854 --> 00:29:31,814
All right.
That guy right there. To the left.
380
00:29:33,733 --> 00:29:35,359
No, no, no. Yeah. Okay.
381
00:29:37,194 --> 00:29:38,654
- Welcome.
- Hi, thank you.
382
00:29:39,113 --> 00:29:40,114
And one for me.
383
00:29:41,866 --> 00:29:43,159
Good evening. Come on in.
384
00:30:29,205 --> 00:30:30,331
Hi.
385
00:30:32,041 --> 00:30:33,209
Yeah, I know.
386
00:30:34,585 --> 00:30:36,253
Cara asked me to dinner.
387
00:30:38,547 --> 00:30:40,216
Yeah, I thought so too.
388
00:30:43,219 --> 00:30:44,470
I don't know.
389
00:30:46,973 --> 00:30:48,683
Maybe 8:00, 8:30.
390
00:30:50,726 --> 00:30:52,436
Okay. You too.
391
00:30:58,985 --> 00:30:59,986
Salad and fries up.
392
00:31:05,366 --> 00:31:07,868
You didn't say if you wanted
the dressing mixed in or on the side,
393
00:31:07,952 --> 00:31:09,245
so I just put it on the side.
394
00:31:09,704 --> 00:31:10,746
- Thank you.
- Enjoy.
395
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:27,680
Excuse me.
396
00:31:29,348 --> 00:31:30,558
I'm sorry. Excuse me.
397
00:31:35,438 --> 00:31:37,106
Are you using that sugar?
398
00:31:39,483 --> 00:31:40,484
Help yourself.
399
00:31:45,698 --> 00:31:47,074
Is their salad any good?
400
00:31:49,660 --> 00:31:52,038
Actually, yeah. Better than I thought.
401
00:31:53,664 --> 00:31:55,041
Maybe I'll give it a try.
402
00:31:57,418 --> 00:32:02,048
It's funny. I've driven by here 100 times,
but I've never been inside one of these.
403
00:32:03,758 --> 00:32:06,135
They're pretty much the same all over.
404
00:32:08,429 --> 00:32:09,430
I like it.
405
00:32:11,098 --> 00:32:12,099
Thank you.
406
00:32:13,434 --> 00:32:16,270
- You're reading Manhattan Beach?
- Just starting it.
407
00:32:16,771 --> 00:32:19,523
I read it last year for my book club.
It's wonderful.
408
00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:23,194
I didn't love her last one,
so I was pretty skeptical.
409
00:32:24,028 --> 00:32:25,529
But it's very different.
410
00:32:26,364 --> 00:32:27,657
I'm Laurie, by the way.
411
00:32:28,991 --> 00:32:31,744
- Jeanine. Nice to meet you.
- You too.
412
00:32:45,424 --> 00:32:48,511
I'll have the same salad she ordered.
Dressing on the side.
413
00:32:48,594 --> 00:32:50,680
Coming up. French fries too?
414
00:32:51,722 --> 00:32:54,934
No, I'd better not.
They're my weakness.
415
00:32:57,186 --> 00:33:00,856
You can have the rest of mine if you want.
I really only wanted a few.
416
00:33:02,274 --> 00:33:04,443
- Are you sure?
- Absolutely.
417
00:33:16,205 --> 00:33:17,498
Excuse me.
418
00:33:20,042 --> 00:33:22,003
Would you like to...
419
00:33:24,922 --> 00:33:26,048
Sure.
420
00:33:38,102 --> 00:33:39,562
She didn't wanna stay for dinner?
421
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,982
Her mom wanted her back home.
422
00:33:44,775 --> 00:33:45,985
She seemed nice.
423
00:33:46,652 --> 00:33:49,530
Mm-hmm. She's a little weird though.
424
00:33:51,324 --> 00:33:52,450
Weird?
425
00:33:54,118 --> 00:33:55,661
Yeah. Like artsy, you know?
426
00:33:57,038 --> 00:34:00,124
A lot of kids give her crap for it
sometimes.
427
00:34:00,958 --> 00:34:02,543
Well, it's nice she came to see you.
428
00:34:03,836 --> 00:34:07,923
Yeah. We were just texting,
and she asked me what I do most days,
429
00:34:08,007 --> 00:34:09,925
and I said, "Nothing much,"
430
00:34:10,009 --> 00:34:13,262
so she said she can come over, hang out.
431
00:34:17,266 --> 00:34:19,477
But I think she just feels sorry for me.
432
00:34:22,104 --> 00:34:23,773
Maybe she just likes you.
433
00:34:25,149 --> 00:34:28,152
I think it's more like
she feels guilty or...
434
00:34:28,235 --> 00:34:29,612
What do you mean, guilty?
435
00:34:30,529 --> 00:34:32,657
She said Derek was saying
some stuff about me to her
436
00:34:32,740 --> 00:34:34,533
and she just feels bad about it.
437
00:34:34,992 --> 00:34:36,952
For believing him, whatever.
438
00:34:38,913 --> 00:34:40,498
She doesn't believe him now though?
439
00:34:41,082 --> 00:34:43,334
I guess not, if she came over.
440
00:34:46,379 --> 00:34:48,005
But he's been into her forever.
441
00:34:50,173 --> 00:34:51,425
Who, Derek?
442
00:34:51,508 --> 00:34:54,178
Yeah. He's, like, obsessed with her.
443
00:34:59,892 --> 00:35:02,019
I think she thinks maybe he did it.
444
00:35:04,271 --> 00:35:07,400
Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
What'd you just say?
445
00:35:09,860 --> 00:35:13,572
She thinks he might have done it.
But she didn't say that, you know.
446
00:35:13,656 --> 00:35:16,742
She just said she heard the cops
were at school and had talked to him.
447
00:35:17,575 --> 00:35:20,121
- They called in his mom too.
- That doesn't mean he's a suspect.
448
00:35:20,204 --> 00:35:23,207
I know, but that's what she thinks it was.
449
00:35:25,876 --> 00:35:29,630
I don't know. Maybe she just
wants to make me feel better.
450
00:35:38,555 --> 00:35:42,143
Me? No.
I could barely draw a stick figure.
451
00:35:43,144 --> 00:35:44,478
I just loved it.
452
00:35:45,146 --> 00:35:49,066
I swear I spent half my junior year abroad
just in the Musée d'Orsay.
453
00:35:49,984 --> 00:35:51,152
The Water Lilies.
454
00:35:52,987 --> 00:35:55,406
I know it's a total cliché
to love impressionism,
455
00:35:55,489 --> 00:36:00,786
but there's this...
unabashed emotionality to it
456
00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:02,246
that is just so...
457
00:36:03,414 --> 00:36:07,668
I don't know.
Brave is probably the wrong word, but...
458
00:36:08,294 --> 00:36:11,839
- Do you know what I mean?
- I think I do, yes.
459
00:36:12,256 --> 00:36:13,674
Sorry, I'm rambling.
460
00:36:13,758 --> 00:36:15,509
It's fine, really.
461
00:36:16,385 --> 00:36:19,221
It's like I saw this poster
the other day of a Bonnard...
462
00:36:28,481 --> 00:36:29,482
Laurie?
463
00:36:30,691 --> 00:36:32,401
I apologize. I...
464
00:36:37,615 --> 00:36:39,700
My family's been
going through a hard time.
465
00:36:42,244 --> 00:36:44,080
Something terrible's happened and...
466
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:48,125
the friends I would usually talk to,
they aren't...
467
00:36:50,878 --> 00:36:52,338
Well, they've given up on us.
468
00:36:55,591 --> 00:37:00,096
My husband says I shouldn't care.
But he's never really had friends.
469
00:37:02,431 --> 00:37:03,891
Not real ones.
470
00:37:05,267 --> 00:37:08,938
Is that strange? I never really
thought about it until recently.
471
00:37:10,314 --> 00:37:13,484
I mean, he's had casual friends,
people in his life,
472
00:37:13,567 --> 00:37:17,196
but no one he was truly close to,
other than me.
473
00:37:19,448 --> 00:37:21,367
Maybe I liked that I was the only one.
474
00:37:22,868 --> 00:37:24,829
Although even with me, he...
475
00:37:29,208 --> 00:37:30,918
I'm sorry. You just...
476
00:37:31,294 --> 00:37:33,921
You just wanted a quiet dinner
and to read your book.
477
00:37:34,672 --> 00:37:35,798
Please.
478
00:37:36,924 --> 00:37:38,884
I understand. It's okay.
479
00:37:42,263 --> 00:37:45,182
You probably heard about the boy
who was killed in Newton.
480
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,186
Well, my son, he...
481
00:37:51,439 --> 00:37:52,565
I know.
482
00:37:54,442 --> 00:37:55,526
I'm sorry.
483
00:37:55,609 --> 00:37:58,946
I've been trying to find a way to tell you
without making this uncomfortable.
484
00:37:59,030 --> 00:38:00,865
I should have said something sooner.
485
00:38:01,449 --> 00:38:02,616
You knew.
486
00:38:03,659 --> 00:38:08,414
To be honest, I was hoping to
speak with you about the case.
487
00:38:08,497 --> 00:38:10,082
If you'd be open to that.
488
00:38:13,628 --> 00:38:14,920
I am a writer.
489
00:38:15,630 --> 00:38:19,216
I'm doing a freelance piece
for the Globe Sunday magazine.
490
00:38:19,759 --> 00:38:22,845
- No.
- Laurie, I didn't mean to...
491
00:38:22,928 --> 00:38:24,388
I need to go.
492
00:38:27,099 --> 00:38:29,602
Is there anything you said
that you'd like kept off-the-record?
493
00:38:29,685 --> 00:38:31,437
What? I don't...
494
00:38:31,979 --> 00:38:33,147
Did you follow me here?
495
00:38:34,065 --> 00:38:35,358
Did you follow me here?
496
00:38:36,233 --> 00:38:38,569
Please. Just give me
a few minutes to explain.
497
00:39:10,434 --> 00:39:12,812
Hi. How was dinner?
498
00:39:14,188 --> 00:39:15,189
Good.
499
00:39:19,819 --> 00:39:22,530
I might have made some progress today
on the Patz front.
500
00:39:23,531 --> 00:39:25,950
Yeah. I talked to this kid
who's mixed up with him.
501
00:39:26,033 --> 00:39:27,368
I think he's hiding something.
502
00:39:30,621 --> 00:39:31,956
You okay?
503
00:39:34,750 --> 00:39:35,918
I'm just tired.
504
00:39:38,004 --> 00:39:41,173
Okay. I'm gonna take out this recycling.
I'll be up in a minute.
505
00:39:42,466 --> 00:39:43,467
Okay.
506
00:40:09,243 --> 00:40:10,328
Hey.
507
00:40:11,787 --> 00:40:14,457
Mom and I are gonna hit the hay.
You should probably do the same.
508
00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:16,751
All right. Good night.
509
00:40:17,126 --> 00:40:18,252
What are you watching?
510
00:40:19,712 --> 00:40:21,005
Skateboarding fails.
511
00:40:22,798 --> 00:40:26,260
High comedy. Okay. Don't stay up too late.
512
00:40:26,677 --> 00:40:27,678
Okay.
513
00:40:40,274 --> 00:40:43,819
Just kind of a sense of normalcy,
in a way.
514
00:40:44,654 --> 00:40:46,989
I mean, it's not like
he ever had girls over before,
515
00:40:47,073 --> 00:40:49,075
but you know what I mean.
516
00:40:51,118 --> 00:40:52,495
So dinner was nice?
517
00:40:53,913 --> 00:40:58,209
Good. Good, I'm glad. You deserve it.
518
00:41:43,838 --> 00:41:47,049
Hey, guys. Here's a new one
I just wrote. I hope you like it.
519
00:41:48,342 --> 00:41:52,471
Hold my hand
520
00:41:58,227 --> 00:42:00,563
I'm gonna check in again
with Duffy tomorrow.
521
00:42:01,272 --> 00:42:04,692
Sarah told Jacob she saw the police
at school questioning Derek.
522
00:42:05,526 --> 00:42:06,527
About what?
523
00:42:06,986 --> 00:42:11,365
I don't know. Sarah seems to think
that he might be a suspect.
524
00:42:11,449 --> 00:42:12,450
Derek?
525
00:42:13,034 --> 00:42:15,244
Yeah. Anything's possible.
526
00:42:20,124 --> 00:42:21,125
What?
527
00:42:23,002 --> 00:42:24,920
That's what everyone says about Jacob.
528
00:42:26,297 --> 00:42:29,842
Well, that's why we can't leave his fate
up to the cops and a courtroom.
529
00:42:29,925 --> 00:42:31,886
We gotta get answers for ourselves.
530
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,096
Isn't that Joanna's job?
531
00:42:36,724 --> 00:42:39,352
Joanna's a great lawyer,
but lawyers have boundaries.
532
00:42:39,935 --> 00:42:41,687
I don't. Not anymore.
533
00:42:43,147 --> 00:42:45,775
My only job now
is trying to protect our son.
534
00:42:48,903 --> 00:42:50,237
Whatever it takes.
535
00:42:54,408 --> 00:42:56,952
"The parents of Ms. Rouse
remained inconsolable,
536
00:42:57,620 --> 00:43:00,623
even as a verdict of
life without parole was delivered.
537
00:43:00,706 --> 00:43:03,668
Also in court was William Barber's wife,
Marianne,
538
00:43:03,751 --> 00:43:07,296
and the couple's 5-year-old son, Andrew.
539
00:43:07,922 --> 00:43:12,009
Throughout the proceedings, the defendant
refused to display any remorse whatsoever.
540
00:43:12,093 --> 00:43:16,514
'If looks could kill, '
one of the jurors later commented."
541
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,602
Must've been terrifying,
growing up with a father like that.
542
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,898
I didn't have any contact with him.
Just once after the trial. That's it.
543
00:43:25,982 --> 00:43:30,444
Still. My father lost his hair in his 20s.
544
00:43:31,237 --> 00:43:34,991
I know I spent my teens
wondering when I was gonna lose mine.
545
00:43:38,369 --> 00:43:41,539
Are you telling me
you didn't grow up scared...
546
00:43:42,915 --> 00:43:47,461
that, deep inside,
there might be some part of him in you?
547
00:43:50,214 --> 00:43:55,511
Surely, it must have occurred to you
at certain pivotal moments.
548
00:43:57,013 --> 00:43:58,514
The arrival of a child.
549
00:44:00,683 --> 00:44:02,435
Watching your little boy grow.
550
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:10,067
Privately obsessing over
even his most innocent behaviors.
551
00:44:11,485 --> 00:44:13,487
Always on the lookout for any indication
552
00:44:13,571 --> 00:44:17,116
that your father's blood
might run in his veins.
553
00:44:19,035 --> 00:44:21,746
Then, lo and behold,
he's implicated in a violent crime.
554
00:44:22,246 --> 00:44:24,165
Stabbing, no less.
555
00:44:25,541 --> 00:44:28,294
Your worst fears finally realized.
556
00:44:32,590 --> 00:44:34,216
No, it's just the opposite.
557
00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:38,596
When you live with what I've lived with
for so long...
558
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,726
you look at your kid through that lens
1000 times.
559
00:44:43,809 --> 00:44:45,478
You've made your determination.
560
00:44:50,358 --> 00:44:53,361
I knew Jacob wasn't a murderer
the way I knew I wasn't.
561
00:44:55,279 --> 00:44:56,739
If you say so.
562
00:44:58,449 --> 00:45:00,826
But you had 14 years
to come to that conclusion.
563
00:45:02,536 --> 00:45:04,372
Laurie, on the other hand...
564
00:45:05,706 --> 00:45:07,792
Laurie was a different story, wasn't she?
565
00:45:10,753 --> 00:45:14,006
Okay, buddy. This won't take too long,
but just try to stay still, all right?
566
00:45:15,091 --> 00:45:19,178
Is it okay if I'm nervous? Will I, like...
Will they see it in my brain?
567
00:45:20,388 --> 00:45:22,723
It's totally fine.
We can't read your thoughts.
568
00:45:24,433 --> 00:45:25,601
Just relax, okay?
569
00:45:29,981 --> 00:45:34,610
So this will take about half an hour,
so why don't we just wait in my office?
570
00:45:39,490 --> 00:45:42,994
So, we should probably discuss
the DNA test.
571
00:45:43,077 --> 00:45:45,246
I've already gotten what I need
from Jacob.
572
00:45:45,329 --> 00:45:48,082
Andy,
I'm gonna need a sample from you as well.
573
00:45:48,749 --> 00:45:50,501
You're testing for the murder gene?
574
00:45:50,584 --> 00:45:51,794
It's not as simple as that.
575
00:45:51,877 --> 00:45:54,880
And that's just a coy phrase
used to grab some headlines.
576
00:45:54,964 --> 00:45:56,090
That said,
577
00:45:56,173 --> 00:45:59,760
I think Joanna was wise to have you
pursue these results, just in case.
578
00:46:00,469 --> 00:46:01,637
I don't understand.
579
00:46:01,721 --> 00:46:05,850
Well, if Jacob is found guilty,
and I'm saying if,
580
00:46:06,475 --> 00:46:10,187
then you may wanna present
genetic evidence as mitigation.
581
00:46:10,688 --> 00:46:11,981
Mitigation?
582
00:46:12,732 --> 00:46:15,318
- To get it reduced to second. Right?
- Correct.
583
00:46:15,401 --> 00:46:17,403
First degree murder is
mandatory life without parole.
584
00:46:17,486 --> 00:46:20,156
Second degree,
he becomes eligible in 20 years.
585
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,658
He'd only be 35.
He'd have his whole life in front of him.
586
00:46:23,784 --> 00:46:27,955
- Yeah, what's left of it.
- Again, if. Only if.
587
00:46:44,180 --> 00:46:48,100
So, we should probably
talk about your father.
588
00:46:49,226 --> 00:46:50,227
What about him?
589
00:46:50,311 --> 00:46:53,064
Well, obviously, I'm gonna need
a swab from him as well.
590
00:46:53,564 --> 00:46:56,776
Go ahead. He's in Northern Prison
in Somers, Connecticut.
591
00:46:56,859 --> 00:46:59,153
I know. I tried to visit him there.
592
00:47:00,196 --> 00:47:04,075
- You did?
- I did. And there's an issue.
593
00:47:05,076 --> 00:47:08,579
- What kind of issue?
- He wouldn't agree to the test.
594
00:47:09,038 --> 00:47:10,331
What do you mean?
595
00:47:11,290 --> 00:47:13,292
He says you have to ask.
596
00:47:14,251 --> 00:47:15,252
Me?
597
00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:19,382
- He doesn't know me.
- Apparently he wants to change that.
598
00:47:23,344 --> 00:47:24,470
You gotta be kidding.
599
00:47:24,553 --> 00:47:26,889
Andy, I'm sorry,
but we need his cooperation to...
600
00:47:26,973 --> 00:47:28,474
Tell him he can fuck off.
601
00:47:36,190 --> 00:47:37,191
Sorry.
602
00:47:42,113 --> 00:47:44,031
I don't think I can do that. I can't.
603
00:47:44,115 --> 00:47:45,199
You can.
604
00:47:48,035 --> 00:47:49,036
He'll go.
605
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,540
You'll do it for Jacob.
606
00:47:54,750 --> 00:47:56,961
It's like you said. Whatever it takes.