1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:06,799 This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,119 We're only holding two cards. One, we have him two, we have her and she's alive, 3 00:00:12,120 --> 00:00:13,759 the rest is a disaster. 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,399 Do you have a friend called Daisy? 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,639 Why? 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,679 There's something about her online, 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,439 how she met Daddy one time. 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,279 Am I being interviewed under caution? 9 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:23,319 Yes, you are. 10 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,319 I knew that Rose was in that boot 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:26,719 and I needed to get to her. 12 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,639 And what about Mr Spector's life? 13 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,360 Did you not have a duty to protect that? 14 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:34,999 I need some help in here! 15 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,399 Rose, what are you doing? 16 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,199 I want to go home. You can't. 17 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,599 I want to go home! 18 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,199 A man has come forward having seen Spector's photograph on the news. 19 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,159 He says Spector looks like a man who rents 20 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:47,159 a lock-up from him in East Belfast, 21 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:49,399 under the name Baldwin. 22 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,279 We've just landed a not uninteresting little case. 23 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:53,559 The Belfast Strangler. 24 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:54,839 You stay away from him! 25 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,119 I haven't been near him! You need to get a grip! 26 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,440 You're obsessed, it's pathetic! 27 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:01,719 Who's pathetic now?! 28 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:02,760 Ma'am. 29 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:05,559 Hello, Daddy. 30 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,479 It's me, Olivia. 31 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,879 Why are you so big? And you, you look different, older. 32 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,480 What's happening to me? 33 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:16,320 More victims? 34 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,720 Are you in pain? 35 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,040 Here. 36 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,719 We've seen fragments before, 37 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,079 bits of pages that didn't burn in the car. 38 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,840 Enough to confirm that he kept journals, but nothing like this. 39 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,720 Nothing so extensive, nothing so detailed. 40 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,879 I'd put it to Spector that between the strangulation 41 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,319 of Rose and the murder of Fiona Gallagher, 42 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,759 that there must have been other attacks. 43 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,919 He said that there were no other attacks, 44 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,400 that Fiona Gallagher was his first murder. 45 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,399 During that gap in time, he suggested that he 46 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,360 always had a "project" to work on. 47 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,800 Are these those "projects"? 48 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:06,960 A.S. 49 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,559 Might live in the Holylands area, 50 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,320 who might be a journalist... 51 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,320 ...who seems to wake up late every day and skip breakfast. 52 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,879 Who wears a cream robe after her bath and sometimes doesn't 53 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,480 completely close her bedroom curtains. 54 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,079 Or, R.W... 55 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,479 who cycles to the university most days off, 56 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,159 somewhere in the Lisburn Road. 57 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,279 Always brings her lunch with her and eats in the botanic gardens. 58 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:46,439 Who has clear, pale skin, wears close-fitting clothes 59 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,400 and walks with a short stride that Spector likes. 60 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,880 Where on the continuum of his violence do these journals fit? 61 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,759 Are they just fantasies that sustain him, feed his appetites? 62 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,200 Or are they a record... 63 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,000 ...of nine more murders? 64 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,839 What time of day is it? 65 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:14,480 Morning, afternoon, night? 66 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:17,999 Morning. 67 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,040 Where are we? 68 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,360 Belfast General Hospital. 69 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,240 Can you remember the name of your nurse? 70 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:32,760 Kiera. 71 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,039 Are you married, or do you have a partner? 72 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,400 I'm married. 73 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,400 Can you remember any other family members? 74 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:51,759 Sally Ann has a father, John, and a mother, Carol. 75 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,919 We call her Cici. 76 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,120 And what about you? 77 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:59,999 Me? 78 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,320 Do you have any family? 79 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,719 No. 80 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:05,760 Why is that? 81 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,559 My mother died. 82 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,120 And what about your father? 83 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,439 When I was growing up, he was known as Peter Baldwin. 84 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,840 I thought that man was my father, till he left us. 85 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,679 My mother told me that he wasn't my real father, he was... 86 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,000 just a man. 87 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,800 When did you become Paul Spector? 88 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,239 Erm... 89 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,480 just before I met Sally Ann. 90 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,320 And why did you change? 91 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,239 Wanted a... 92 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:52,919 clean start. 93 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,200 New life. Why's that? 94 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,160 Not sure. 95 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,800 Has that new life worked for you? 96 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,719 The sheer volume of garments suggests there were very many 97 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,479 fetish burglaries at that time. 98 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,880 His journals talk of... 99 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,999 ...climbing scaffolding, 100 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,880 finding windows open, doors unlocked, alarms not set. 101 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,160 I took this photograph to be of a woman. 102 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,919 On closer inspection... 103 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,560 it's clear it's a mannequin. 104 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:41,320 And these pictures of him. 105 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,000 The bondage, the auto asphyxiation... 106 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,879 ...introduce a new element to our understanding 107 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,320 of his sexual behaviour. 108 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,399 Has any information returned to you over 109 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,600 the last 12 hours voluntarily? 110 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,120 I don't think so. 111 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,080 Hold this in your hand. 112 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,479 Keep it safe. 113 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,719 Can you give it back to me in 15 minutes' time? 114 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,719 Yes. 115 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,720 Who's the British Prime Minister? 116 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:22,760 Tony Blair. 117 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:26,840 Have you heard of Facebook? 118 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,400 Yes. What is it? 119 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,679 It's... 120 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:35,600 a social networking site. 121 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,280 And what about Twitter? 122 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,159 I don't know what that is. 123 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,760 So you don't know what a tweet is, or tweeting? 124 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,440 The sound a bird makes. 125 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:55,640 What's a hashtag? 126 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:00,680 No idea. 127 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,080 Presumably, I'm supposed to know what these things are? 128 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,120 Maybe. 129 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,000 The main thing is that we identify and find these women. 130 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,879 Use the initials, 131 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,079 look at solved or unsolved sexually motivated murders, 132 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,479 or attempted murders, particularly strangulations occurring 133 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,399 in homes and apartments, check Missing Persons 134 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,160 for suspected foul play. 135 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,200 We need to know if these women are alive or dead. 136 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,679 I think that's all, unless there's anything else? 137 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:46,599 We've confirmed the list of children's homes 138 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,119 Spector was in, following the death of his mother. 139 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,439 We have lists of all his fellow pupils, 140 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,759 including those at Gortnacull. 141 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,039 Any news on the Benedetto girl? 142 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,239 Uniforms called at her house this morning, Ma'am. 143 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,719 She didn't come home last night, 144 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,879 her mother has no idea where she is. 145 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,160 A warrant's been issued for her arrest. 146 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:09,760 Thank you all. 147 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,320 What's the last full day you remember? 148 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,200 It was with Olivia. 149 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:21,600 Go on. 150 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,279 Erm... 151 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,640 I took her to a playgroup, a musical playgroup. 152 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:32,920 She loves dancing. 153 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,399 And, erm... 154 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,680 they all sing songs, The Wheels On The Bus. 155 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,599 She touches all the right places when she does 156 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,520 Head, Shoulders, Knees And Toes. 157 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,720 Then we went for lunch in the park. 158 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,160 She was pedalling on her tricycle. 159 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:06,559 There's a pair of swans on the water there, nine or ten babies. 160 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:08,040 Ugly ducklings. 161 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:11,760 She was talking loads. 162 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,920 She's always getting me to play make believe with her. 163 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,359 It sounds to me like Olivia is about two years old. 164 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:21,999 Yes. 165 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,520 But she isn't, is she? 166 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,080 Can you describe what the memory loss feels like to you? 167 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:10,600 Well... 168 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:14,880 ...it feels like it's night-time and... 169 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,960 ...there's a thunderstorm and I'm standing on a hillside... 170 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,760 ...and I've been asked to draw a map of the valley below. 171 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,080 There's lightning flashes. 172 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,799 They light up the land, but only for a few seconds, 173 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,680 not long enough to draw the map. 174 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,959 Can you recall who you are? 175 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,439 In the sense of what you were like and what you're like now? 176 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,480 Your trait characteristics? 177 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,080 Erm... 178 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,320 I'm told I have a son. 179 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,680 I've no reason to think that people are lying to me, but... 180 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:11,560 ...I don't feel it. 181 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,640 I'm told I'm in trouble with the police. 182 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:19,960 I don't know what I've done. 183 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:29,120 I think that I might be different but I don't know why. 184 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,840 I feel like I'm an all-right person? 185 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,760 It will all come back to me, won't it? 186 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,240 Your anterograde memory is working well. 187 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,680 Anything else you've forgotten, you can relearn. 188 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,480 But the ownership has gone. 189 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,999 Gibson? 190 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,439 'Patrick Spencer, ICU Consultant, Belfast General Hospital.' 191 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,999 Thank you for calling me back, Doctor. I understand he's conscious? 192 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,719 'He is. His physiology is normalising. 193 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,439 'He's cardiovascularly stable...' 194 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:17,999 and has made good progress 195 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,920 given the massive insult and blood loss from the bullet wounds... 196 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,239 'But?' 197 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,759 But there is an issue. 198 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,319 'Although his short-term memory 199 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,200 'seems to be functioning adequately... 200 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,719 '..it seems Mr Spector has suffered 201 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,520 'quite extensive long-term memory loss.' 202 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,480 OK. 203 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,039 I'm just going to move your legs to the edge of the bed, here. 204 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,439 OK... 205 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,560 I'm now going to take your arm now. 206 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,920 OK, here we go... 207 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:06,879 Keep going. 208 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,440 Over here... 209 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:11,760 Here. 210 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:18,960 OK, that's good. Well done. 211 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,599 'Apparently, he's docile, 212 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,919 'well oriented in time and space and has...' 213 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,839 established good relations with his doctors and nurses. 214 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,200 (For pity's sake!) 215 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,719 It seems he can acquire new information 216 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,719 and keep track of his medical procedures, 217 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,199 but that he has almost no recollection 218 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,359 of the events that have taken place over the last six years or so. 219 00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:46,919 Are we supposed to be taking this seriously? 220 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,200 I think we have to. 221 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:51,760 Are they linking this... 222 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,639 ...this impairment directly to the shooting? 223 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,000 The nature of the amnesia has not been established yet. 224 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,319 It... It might be organic, an injury to the brain 225 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,599 because of blood loss or a resultant lack of oxygen, 226 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,919 or it could be psychogenic, 227 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,240 a result, perhaps, of trauma. 228 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,080 But until they do an MRI scan, they can't really say. 229 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,479 So, perform the MRI scan. 230 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,480 Spector has retained metal fragments from the bullet in his body. 231 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,879 If they contain iron, the fragments can be heated up 232 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,799 and the magnet can drag them through the body 233 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,719 and cause more organ damage. 234 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,639 Are they conducting psychological tests yet? Yes, they are. 235 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,999 The Consultant Neuropsychologist is an Alison Walden. 236 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,239 But Jim's right. He must be feigning, surely? 237 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,839 Or at the very least, exaggerating his symptoms? To what end? 238 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,239 The law does not concern itself with the present state of mind 239 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:52,679 of the criminal defendant, 240 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,359 only with the state of mind at the time the crime was committed. 241 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:59,719 And Spector's was clearly conveyed in his confession. 242 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,959 He clearly understood the difference 243 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,839 between right and wrong at the time of the crimes, 244 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,439 and, therefore, he will be held accountable. 245 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,000 But it is founded on memory-based evidence. 246 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,639 And he's saying that he can't remember any of the crimes. 247 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,119 It poses all sorts of problems for the courts. 248 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:20,239 It's almost like he's claiming that he's innocent. 249 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,559 It seems there's more than usual pressure 250 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,000 to build the evidential case against him. 251 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,320 That's precisely what we're doing, sir. 252 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,119 What will happen to him if the defence does ask 253 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:35,959 for a mental health assessment? 254 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,679 His potential dangerousness suggests a forensic unit 255 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,079 rather than a hospital ward. 256 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,599 And where would that be? 257 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,159 The Foyle Clinic in East Belfast. 258 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,039 Who will assess him? 259 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,799 August Larson. 260 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,599 He's the Consultant Forensic Psychiatrist. 261 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:57,160 Very experienced, very used to giving expert testimony in court. 262 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,079 The sooner we get him out of the hands of the medics, 263 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,640 and back into the justice system, the better. 264 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,520 < Thanks, Alison. 265 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,519 Kiera Sheridan. Mr Spector's dedicated nurse. 266 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,319 She provides him with one-to-one care. 267 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,079 She will limit your visit if patient status warrants it. 268 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,720 Thank you. She'll show you in. 269 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,000 'What about the wife?' 270 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,600 I'm worried about her. 271 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,519 It's obviously been a devastating blow to her - 272 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,079 as it would be to anyone who seems to have had no real suspicions. 273 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,400 But there's no possibility of her repeating the offence. 274 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,159 She's admitted her guilt, 275 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,759 she's corrected the facts. 276 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,800 She might even end up being a witness for the prosecution. 277 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,439 I think we should drop the charges. 278 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,879 If she'd told the truth, in the first place, 279 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,599 about Spector's whereabouts, 280 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,079 then we could have investigated him more closely and, perhaps, 281 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,400 Rose Stagg would not have been put through the ordeal that she has. 282 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,039 I just feel that pursuing her through the courts 283 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,999 will likely have a very bad effect 284 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,080 on her mental and physical health. 285 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,999 Is prosecution really in the public interest? 286 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,079 As Director of Public Prosecutions, 287 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,999 I have to say, I think it is. 288 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,359 How things will unfold with Spector is unclear. 289 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:56,799 Prosecuting his wife sends a clear signal - 290 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:01,080 we mean business and no-one involved will be getting off lightly. 291 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,080 Sally Ann Spector miscarried in police custody. 292 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,359 That's a devastating thing to happen to any woman, 293 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:14,839 but particularly her. 294 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,359 Her identity is wrapped up in her children 295 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:19,359 and those that she cares for. 296 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:23,039 She's perceived as an angel by the parents of the babies 297 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,640 she looks after in the NICU. 298 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,199 Now, it appears as if she's lost everything, 299 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,759 her marriage, 300 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,839 her work, 301 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,400 her unborn child. 302 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,679 She's paid a very high price for her naivety. 303 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,439 I can't believe that, of all people, 304 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,160 you are suggesting that we treat Sally Ann paternalistically. 305 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,159 I say we move ahead with the charges 306 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,079 and we can use them as leverage against Spector. 307 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,720 I do think we need to bear in mind the seriousness of the offence. 308 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,999 We accepted instructions on your behalf from your wife 309 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,679 when you were unconscious. 310 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,559 Today is an opportunity for you to say if you are happy for us 311 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,240 to be representing you. 312 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,040 I believe that the nature of your injuries has been explained to you? 313 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,559 Yes. 314 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,799 And you understand that you were in police custody when you were shot? 315 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,919 Yes, but I still don't know why. 316 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,400 No-one will tell me. 317 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,680 An individual called James Tyler was responsible. 318 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,160 I don't know who that is. 319 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,039 Why did he shoot me? I need to get more information from the police 320 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,559 before I can explain that. The more pressing issue, Mr Spector, 321 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,479 is that the police have charged you 322 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,559 with a number of very serious crimes. 323 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,160 I mean, the most serious crimes on the Statute Book. 324 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,119 What crimes? 325 00:24:58,120 --> 00:24:59,280 A series of murders. 326 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,839 What sort of murders? 327 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,480 With your permission, let me take you through the police charge sheet. 328 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,520 All the, er... alleged crimes took place in Belfast. 329 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,519 The police claim that on the 10th day of December, 2011, 330 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,439 you murdered University lecturer Fiona Gallagher 331 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,720 in her home before fleeing the scene. 332 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,800 Death by strangulation. 333 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,439 That on the 15th of March, 2012, 334 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,239 you murdered architect Alice Monroe in her home, 335 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,160 strangling her with a ligature. 336 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,839 They allege that you then washed and dried her body, 337 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,879 before putting her back to bed and posing her body. 338 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,279 That on the 16th of April, 2012, 339 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,999 you murdered solicitor Sarah Kay in her home, 340 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,040 strangling her with a ligature. 341 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,039 They allege that you washed and dried Sarah's body - 342 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,040 washed and dried her bedclothes... 343 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,359 ...painted her finger nails red, 344 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:16,720 before posing her in her bed and taking photographs. 345 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,240 Sarah Kay was pregnant at the time of her death. 346 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:29,480 That four days later, on the 20th of April, 2012... 347 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,719 ...you attacked and strangled 348 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,200 accountant Annie Brawley in her home. 349 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,159 They claim that you... 350 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,159 also murdered her brother Joseph Brawley 351 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,279 when he tried to defend his sister - 352 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,639 stabbing him three times with some decorating shears. 353 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,879 You, then, fled the scene. 354 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,200 Annie Brawley survived the attack. 355 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,039 I don't recognise any of these people. 356 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,840 I've never seen these people before. 357 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,040 There's more. 358 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,279 They allege that on May the 3rd, 359 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,319 you abducted Rose Stagg from her home, 360 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,359 imprisoned her unlawfully 361 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,440 and detained her against her will. 362 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,000 I know her. 363 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,479 Rose what, who did you say? 364 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,239 Stagg. 365 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,000 Perhaps you know Mrs Stagg better as Rose McGill? 366 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,440 Yes. 367 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,320 But I haven't seen her in the last four years or so. 368 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,920 When did you last see her, do you think? 369 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,319 Early summer. 370 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,880 2002. 371 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,319 2002 is ten years ago, not four. 372 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,559 Have you been listening to the charges, Mr Spector? 373 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,200 It's May 2012. 374 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:11,160 I'm sorry. 375 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,840 I'm sorry. 376 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,000 What happened to Rose? 377 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,600 She's alive. 378 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,639 The police say you led them to her. 379 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,759 She was found in the boot of her own car. 380 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,759 The police suggest you left her trapped. 381 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,160 Left her to die. 382 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,360 Why would I do that to Rose? 383 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,039 'The police say they have a confession.' 384 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,440 That you made a number of admissions. 385 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,599 I've, um... 386 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,319 no memory of that. 387 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,599 We think it makes sense for your first appearance in court 388 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,639 to be as soon as possible 389 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,959 because it will initiate the evidential disclosure process. 390 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,560 Will you be strong enough? 391 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,879 Once we are in receipt of those documents, 392 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,999 we will look at the detail of that confession 393 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,959 and take you through every bit of evidence against you, 394 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,160 every witness statement, page by page, line by line. 395 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:37,600 Is that all clear? 396 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:41,800 Yes. 397 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,200 Any questions? 398 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,719 I just need some time for it all to sink in. 399 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,960 Of course. 400 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,160 Do you know who that is? 401 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,240 No. 402 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,039 Should I? 403 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,999 If any memories relevant to the case return to you, 404 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,640 please contact Louise here. 405 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,240 We're here to help you, Mr Spector. 406 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,399 We will guide you through this. 407 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,760 Thank you. 408 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,400 Sorry, ma'am. Rose Stagg is here to see you. 409 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,719 Set up an interview room, Dani. I'd like you to sit in. 410 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,800 Of course. 411 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,480 I woke to find him in bed with me. 412 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,679 He took me downstairs, 413 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,839 his hand over my mouth, 414 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,280 took me into the kitchen. 415 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,440 Go on. 416 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,720 He used my name. 417 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,760 He called me Rose. 418 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,400 'I thought, perhaps, I recognised the voice. 419 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,920 'He said he didn't want to hurt me or my lovely family... 420 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,480 '..but that he would if I cried out. 421 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,480 'And then he released me. 422 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,240 'And when I turned round, I recognised him. 423 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,080 'What did you think in that moment? 424 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,080 'Just for a moment... 425 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,120 '..I thought that maybe it would be all right. 426 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,599 'That maybe it was a joke, 427 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:45,880 'a game.' 428 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,560 What did you say? 429 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,320 I just said, "Peter?" 430 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,559 He... 431 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,160 made me dress from clothes that were hanging in the utility room. 432 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,639 He made me write a note. 433 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,440 He told me what to put. 434 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,400 The house seemed so silent. 435 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,039 The sound of the pen on the paper 436 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,520 seemed really loud in my head. 437 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,880 Like a whooshing. 438 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,519 All I could think about was getting him out of there, 439 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,200 away from Nancy. 440 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,000 Did you resist him at all? 441 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,840 Er... I was numb. 442 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,399 I didn't really struggle until he was walking me 443 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,280 towards that awful building. 444 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,160 I thought, "If he takes me in there..." 445 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,200 "..I'm going to die." 446 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,200 "I'm going to be the next victim." 447 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,720 That's when I tried to run. 448 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,520 But he was too strong. 449 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:36,400 He made tapes of you. 450 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,600 We found edited versions of those tapes on his phone. 451 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,200 You've seen them? 452 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,079 He tied me to a chair. 453 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,480 It was fixed to the ground. 454 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,639 And he sat behind the camera, so that when I looked at him, 455 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,320 I was looking directly into the lens. 456 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,560 He hardly spoke, he... 457 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,480 He just stared at me. 458 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,520 I tried everything I could to get through to him. 459 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,439 I begged him, I flattered him, I insulted him. 460 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,000 I tried to provoke him, even. 461 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,160 He didn't respond. 462 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,840 His eyes were open, but it was like he was in a trance. 463 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,840 Did he sexually assault you? 464 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:46,560 No. 465 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,680 I don't think so. 466 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,039 Did he perform sex acts on himself? 467 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,920 Did he masturbate in front of you? 468 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,080 No. Just the filming. 469 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,920 Are those healing all right? 470 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,120 I'm told I did it to myself. 471 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,999 I have no memory of that. 472 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,399 We found the broken lens from a pair of sunglasses 473 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,239 in the boot of your car. 474 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,280 Your blood was on them. There were no other fingerprints. 475 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,360 I can't work out if it's just marks... 476 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,680 ...or if it's a message. 477 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,560 When I first saw it... 478 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,440 ...it looked like an attempt to write "I love you". 479 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,440 Breathe. 480 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,000 I always thought that I wanted... 481 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,720 ...love and security. 482 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,719 Now I just 483 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,320 feel like I'm floating free... 484 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,840 ...in a void. 485 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,840 Oh... 486 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,360 You have such a strong sense of purpose. 487 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,919 I feel like... 488 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,880 there's nothing beneath my feet right now, like... 489 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,360 ...nothing to steady them. 490 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,040 It's as if I'm slightly drunk...! 491 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,440 Rose. Rose... 492 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,560 Remember... 493 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,960 ...you survived. 494 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:07,320 You got through it. 495 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,640 It's in the past. 496 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,879 'Paul Spector, a 32-year-old bereavement counsellor 497 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,479 'from South Belfast charged with four counts of murder 498 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,679 'is due to make his first appearance in court today. 499 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,119 'The four female victims, all young professional women in their 30s, 500 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,319 'were attacked in their homes at night. 501 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,120 'Three of those women died of manual or ligature strangulation. 502 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,639 'Spector, a married man and a father of two, 503 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,559 'is also charged with the attempted murder of accountant Annie Brawley 504 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,319 'and the abduction and unlawful imprisonment 505 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,960 'of Belfast radiologist Rose Stagg...' 506 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,200 I worry this is all too soon for you. 507 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,360 I'll be fine. 508 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,319 Are you getting this? The victims' families... 509 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,839 Detective Superintendent Gibson! 510 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,919 The man you have in custody, will he be appearing in court today? 511 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,879 Will you be making a statement any time soon? 512 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,839 Chief Superintendent, is Spector appearing in person today? 513 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,760 Give us an update on the condition of Rose Stagg... 514 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:38,439 Are you ready for this? 515 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,159 I'm a bit nervous, but, yeah. 516 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,080 Yeah, shall we head up, then? 517 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,880 How are you? Not too bad... 518 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,640 Stand there. 519 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,919 Look straight into that camera. 520 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,239 You will be able to see the judge and the legal teams. 521 00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:38,960 Answer any questions clearly. 522 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,039 The prosecution has suggested 523 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,559 we read the shortened version of the charge. 524 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,240 Are you happy enough with that? Yeah, that's fine. 525 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,600 All rise. 526 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,160 Thank you. Please sit. 527 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,080 Are you ready to proceed, ma'am? 528 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,200 I am. 529 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,079 Mr Spector, can you see and hear the proceedings? 530 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,879 Yes. 531 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,839 The charges against the accused are stated as four counts of murder, 532 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,559 one of attempted murder and one of abduction 533 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,999 and unlawful imprisonment. 534 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,800 'Can you confirm for the court that you are Peter Paul Spector?' 535 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,399 Yes. 536 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,959 'That your date of birth is the 25th May, 1979.' 537 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,319 That's correct. 538 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,639 And that you live at 64, Tiberias Drive, Belfast, 539 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,880 BT6 7KM? 540 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,080 'So I've been told.' 541 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,479 Why is he answering in that manner? 542 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,520 Ma'am, if I may. 543 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,559 My client has to answer in that manner 544 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,959 because he has suffered significant memory loss. 545 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,359 As you no doubt know, Mr Spector was shot while in police custody. 546 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:31,239 He lost his spleen as a result and was in a coma for some time. 547 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,359 The reason he is appearing from hospital 548 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,239 is that he is still being held there in intensive care. 549 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:40,279 I have written reports from the ICU Consultant, Dr Spencer, 550 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,639 and from the Consultant Neuropsychologist Dr Alison Walden, 551 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,399 that explain the nature and degree of my client's disability. 552 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,559 Dr Walden is approved under Part 2 of the Mental Health Order 1986. 553 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,999 There's information there about the treatment Mr Spector has undergone 554 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,759 and an account of his behaviour in hospital. 555 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,239 The memory loss, you will see, 556 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,799 covers a period of approximately six years 557 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,639 up to and including 558 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,239 the recent shooting. 559 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:12,919 One of the primary foundations of criminal law 560 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,279 is that all defendants are capable of actively participating 561 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,239 'in their defence. 562 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:22,640 'Mr Spector's amnesia prevents him from so doing.' 563 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,719 'Whilst Mr Spector understands that he is in court 564 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:29,079 'and charged with a number of criminal offences 565 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,199 'and understands the nature and object 566 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,759 'and the possible consequences of the proceedings, ' 567 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,399 he cannot enter a plea, 568 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,119 he cannot consult with or assist his lawyer, 569 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,799 he cannot give evidence in his own defence. 570 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,359 On that basis, I feel I need to raise the issue of competence 571 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,839 as to whether Mr Spector is fit to stand trial. 572 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,559 Mr Healy, let me stop you there. 573 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,079 The concerns you have raised are noted, 574 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,559 but you know as well as I do 575 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,000 that it's not a matter on which this court can adjudicate. 576 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,719 Mr Spector, do you understand that your case must be sent 577 00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:07,359 'to Crown Court?' 578 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,680 Yes. 579 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,439 'Then you will be held on remand in hospital 580 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,199 'until arrangements can be made 581 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,919 'to transfer you to a secure psychiatric clinic 582 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,479 'where more tests can be done 583 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,560 'to determine the nature of your mental disability.' 584 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,199 That's the guy who's defending the murderer! 585 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,959 Mr Healy, how does it feel to be defending the Belfast Strangler? 586 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,760 The ALLEGED Belfast Strangler. 587 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,199 'Dressed in a blue sweatshirt and tracksuit bottoms, 588 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,079 'Mr Spector spoke only to confirm his name and date of birth 589 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,759 'during the ten-minute hearing, 590 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,839 'at that point proceedings took a bizarre twist 591 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,839 'as it became apparent that the alleged serial killer 592 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,359 'is suffering from significant memory loss. 593 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,159 'Mr Spector was remanded in custody to undergo further medical 594 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,839 'and psychiatric assessment. 595 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,799 'Following the hearing, the public prosecution service 596 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,559 'confirmed that Sally Ann Spector 597 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,239 'will appear in the Crown Court on Monday 2nd July 598 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:25,239 'to face charges of perverting the course of justice. 599 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:27,879 'The prosecution claims that Mr Spector's wife, 600 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,280 'provided her husband with false alibis.' 601 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,279 Gibson? 602 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,719 'Superintendent Gibson?' 603 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:56,279 Yes. 604 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,800 'I'm August Larson. 605 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,159 'I'm the consultant psychiatrist 606 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,200 'who has been asked to assess Paul Spector.' 607 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,600 It's an odd time to be calling, Doctor. 608 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,440 Are you still working? 609 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,839 'Yes.' 610 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,200 Well, there you are. 611 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,319 Before he's moved here, 612 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,239 I need to determine the risk of violence towards himself 613 00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:25,760 and others and plan his management. 614 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,560 Have you seen the list of crimes he's been charged with? 615 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,720 'I received that information from the court, yes.' 616 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,239 In my experience, a history of previous violence 617 00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:44,239 is the best predictor for future violence 618 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:48,279 for someone whether they are mentally disordered or not. 619 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:53,200 'And Paul Spector is a violent sexual sadist.' 620 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,360 Why are you so kind to me? 621 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,919 If I've done the things that the... 622 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,680 police say I've done, then I'm a monster. 623 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,760 It's my job. 624 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,040 What? 625 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,799 It says in your notes that there were tears in your eyes 626 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,040 during your surgery. 627 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,680 That you were crying. 628 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:37,080 Was I? 629 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,080 Does that mean anything to you? 630 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,800 Perhaps... 631 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,120 I just... 632 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,600 ...can't believe the memory loss is real. 633 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,479 He's just the sort of person who would feign amnesia 634 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,199 if he felt that there was something to be gained from it. 635 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,039 'Even just for the sheer delight of duping people, 636 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,919 'particularly experts.' 637 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,040 Someone like me, for example? 638 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,039 'I'm just saying that, from my conversations with him, 639 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,439 'it seems to me that he exhibits, 640 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:21,159 'if anything, a superior memory for his violence.' 641 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,959 It's clear to me that he rehearsed the crimes in his mind 642 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,080 over and over. 643 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,519 They were heavily scripted. 644 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,119 And so, the crimes themselves were memorable 645 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,799 both in the way that they match the script 646 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,640 and in the way that they differ. 647 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,160 So, in my view, it's... 648 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,719 ...extremely unlikely that he has... 649 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:47,799 'forgotten anything.' 650 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,839 Faced with memory loss, 651 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,999 there is only one way a clinician can go 652 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,680 and that is to investigate. 653 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,199 If we take him here, 654 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,039 then that is what I intend to do. 655 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,439 'If you have the time, 656 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,359 'I'd really appreciate getting a premorbid appraisal 657 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:06,999 'of Mr Spector from you. 658 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,080 'As someone who has had extensive dealings with him.' 659 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:15,520 Anything at all you can tell me about him would be extremely useful. 660 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,640 I'll help in any way I can. 661 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,400 'Thank you. 662 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:25,760 'Good night.' 663 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,440 Good night. 664 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,040 'Everything went dark.' 665 00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:47,160 And did time seem to speed up or slow down? 666 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,560 It sped up. 667 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,920 I was rushing through a tunnel. 668 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,360 And did you see or feel surrounded by a brilliant light? 669 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,760 There was a light. Can you describe it? 670 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,600 Incredibly bright. Blinding. And hot? 671 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,400 No, not hot. 672 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,760 Did you come to a border or a point of no return? 673 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,319 There was a point. Um... 674 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,280 I felt I could have gone on. 675 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,959 But there were voices calling me back. 676 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,120 What voices? 677 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,679 My daughter. 678 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,040 Olivia. 679 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,119 'And was there anyone else there known to you, 680 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,480 'living or dead?' 681 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,599 Yes. 682 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:12,760 Who? 683 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,720 I think my mother. 684 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,960 And what happened? 685 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,600 How did you feel in her presence? 686 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,120 Afraid. 687 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:40,440 Did she speak to you? 688 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:44,960 She was calling me. 689 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,080 I think she wanted me to come to her. 690 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,520 Towards the light. 691 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,279 But there was other voices. 692 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,240 My daughter calling me back. 693 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,879 And did you want to come back to your body? 694 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,200 Come back to life? 695 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,600 No. 696 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,400 But I couldn't just abandon her. 697 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,880 Is that when you cried? 698 00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:26,560 Hey. 699 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,360 Drink it all up. 700 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,560 Good girl. 701 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,720 You came close with dying. 702 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,319 What do you now understand death to be? 703 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,600 What does death mean to you now? 704 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,719 I know that life 705 00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:37,680 is our only true possession. 706 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,360 And death? 707 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,599 'I've found a murder that looks promising.' 708 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,079 Really? The right initials? 709 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,959 That's not the connection. 710 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,000 A law student. Susan Harper. 711 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,720 Do you think she looks right? 712 00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:05,799 Yes, absolutely. Just a bit younger. 21. 713 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,399 The only problem is there is someone doing time for it. 714 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,199 It's an individual called David Alvarez. 715 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,599 I remembered I saw his name yesterday on the list of children 716 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,319 who were in Gortnacull at the same time as Spector. 717 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:19,719 So, I've done some digging. 718 00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:22,119 And they are one and the same. 719 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,959 The David Alvarez who's doing time for the murder 720 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,439 is the same David Alvarez 721 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,199 who was a fellow pupil of Spector's at the home. 722 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,879 Why was Alvarez convicted? 723 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,559 His DNA on her body. 724 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,239 A subsequent confession. 725 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:37,840 That's pretty conclusive. 726 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,719 What year is this? 727 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:43,120 August 2002. 728 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,320 In London. 729 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,640 Now, there's a gap in Spector's time-line. 730 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,080 We don't know where he was or what he was doing. 731 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,160 No, we don't. 732 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,399 I'll see you in the morning. 733 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,040 Try and get some sleep. 734 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:40,720 I'll pray for you.