1 00:00:03,671 --> 00:00:06,307 - So, is it me, or is it becoming easier for you to look? 2 00:00:06,340 --> 00:00:09,077 - I can make myself look, but the thinking is shutting down. 3 00:00:09,110 --> 00:00:12,613 - The way that I am isn't compatible with the way that-- 4 00:00:12,646 --> 00:00:13,714 - The way I am. 5 00:00:13,747 --> 00:00:16,750 - Do you know where you are, Mr. Graham? - No. 6 00:00:16,784 --> 00:00:19,753 - My sister was impaled on a severed stag head, 7 00:00:19,787 --> 00:00:21,355 cut down the middle. 8 00:00:21,389 --> 00:00:23,191 - I can help you. We can hide the body. 9 00:00:23,224 --> 00:00:26,594 - Abigail Hobbs may be the only person who knows the truth. 10 00:00:26,627 --> 00:00:29,430 - You can't ask her right now, Jack. 11 00:00:29,463 --> 00:00:31,532 - I want to go home. 12 00:00:59,493 --> 00:01:02,296 (camera click) 13 00:01:05,399 --> 00:01:07,368 - World's sickest jigsaw puzzle. 14 00:01:07,401 --> 00:01:09,770 - Yeah, but where are the corners? 15 00:01:09,803 --> 00:01:10,904 - What? 16 00:01:10,938 --> 00:01:15,276 - My mom always said, start a jigsaw with the corners. 17 00:01:15,309 --> 00:01:18,379 - Uh, the heads are the corners, I guess? 18 00:01:18,412 --> 00:01:20,381 - We've got too many corners. 19 00:01:20,414 --> 00:01:23,584 Seven graves. Way too many heads. 20 00:01:29,623 --> 00:01:32,693 - The headpiece appears to be the only recent victim. 21 00:01:32,726 --> 00:01:36,497 The others are years, even decades, old. 22 00:01:36,530 --> 00:01:38,299 And we know that seven 23 00:01:38,332 --> 00:01:40,768 of the bodies were buried out here. 24 00:01:40,801 --> 00:01:44,705 - Whoever dug them up knew exactly where they were buried. 25 00:01:44,738 --> 00:01:46,707 - I guess it wasn't enough for him to kill them once; 26 00:01:46,740 --> 00:01:49,443 he had to come back and defile his victims. 27 00:01:49,477 --> 00:01:51,512 - These graves weren't desecrated, Jack; 28 00:01:51,545 --> 00:01:53,647 they were exposed. 29 00:02:00,688 --> 00:02:03,591 - OK, everybody, let's go, let's clear the scene! 30 00:02:35,389 --> 00:02:39,660 (soft ambient pulse) 31 00:02:57,945 --> 00:03:00,581 - I planned this moment, 32 00:03:00,614 --> 00:03:03,817 this monument, with precision. 33 00:03:06,554 --> 00:03:09,957 Collected all my raw materials in advance. 34 00:03:16,330 --> 00:03:19,300 I position the bodies carefully, 35 00:03:19,333 --> 00:03:22,936 according each its rightful place. 36 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:30,711 Peace in the pieces disassembled. 37 00:03:35,349 --> 00:03:37,485 My latest victim 38 00:03:37,518 --> 00:03:41,021 I save for last. 39 00:03:41,054 --> 00:03:43,424 I want him to watch me work. 40 00:03:43,457 --> 00:03:47,728 I want him to know my design. 41 00:05:09,577 --> 00:05:11,645 This is my résumé. 42 00:05:11,679 --> 00:05:16,750 This is my body of work. This is my legacy. 43 00:05:34,835 --> 00:05:37,738 - Will. I wasn't expecting you. 44 00:05:39,573 --> 00:05:40,908 - I don't know how I got here. 45 00:05:40,941 --> 00:05:43,110 - Your car is outside, so we know you drove. 46 00:05:43,143 --> 00:05:45,813 - Well, I was on a beach in Grafton, West Virginia. 47 00:05:45,846 --> 00:05:47,548 I blinked, and then I-I was 48 00:05:47,581 --> 00:05:49,783 waking up in your waiting room, except I wasn't asleep! 49 00:05:49,817 --> 00:05:53,554 - Grafton, West Virginia, is three-and-a-half hours from here. You lost time. 50 00:05:53,587 --> 00:05:57,157 - Th-There is something wrong with me. - You're disassociating, Will. 51 00:05:57,190 --> 00:06:00,428 It's a desperate survival mechanism for a psyche that endures repeated abuse. 52 00:06:00,461 --> 00:06:03,096 - No, no, I'm not abused! - You have an empathy disorder. 53 00:06:03,130 --> 00:06:05,733 What you feel is overwhelming you. 54 00:06:05,766 --> 00:06:07,768 Yet you choose to ignore it. That's the abuse 55 00:06:07,801 --> 00:06:09,837 I'm referring to. - What, do you want me to quit? 56 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:13,507 - Well, Jack Crawford gave you a chance to quit, and you didn't take it. Why? 57 00:06:13,541 --> 00:06:15,676 - Um... 58 00:06:15,709 --> 00:06:17,511 I save lives. 59 00:06:17,545 --> 00:06:20,448 - And that feels good. - Generally speaking, yeah. 60 00:06:20,481 --> 00:06:23,617 - What about your life? 61 00:06:23,651 --> 00:06:25,453 I'm your friend, Will. I don't care 62 00:06:25,486 --> 00:06:27,788 about the lives you save; I care about your life, 63 00:06:27,821 --> 00:06:30,424 and your life is separating from reality. 64 00:06:41,201 --> 00:06:43,403 - I've been sleepwalking. 65 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,408 I'm experiencing hallucinations. 66 00:06:51,845 --> 00:06:54,782 Maybe I should get a brain scan. - Will. 67 00:06:54,815 --> 00:06:58,686 Stop looking in the wrong corner for an answer to this. 68 00:07:00,854 --> 00:07:02,823 You were at the crime scene 69 00:07:02,856 --> 00:07:06,193 when you disassociated. Tell me about it. 70 00:07:06,226 --> 00:07:09,162 - It was a totem pole of bodies. 71 00:07:10,998 --> 00:07:13,501 - In some cultures, crimes and guilt are made manifest 72 00:07:13,534 --> 00:07:15,669 so that everyone can see them and see their shame. 73 00:07:15,703 --> 00:07:17,070 - No, this isn't shame; 74 00:07:17,104 --> 00:07:20,841 this is celebration. He's marking his achievements. 75 00:07:20,874 --> 00:07:23,176 - And faced with this killer's achievements, 76 00:07:23,210 --> 00:07:26,179 your mind needed to escape, and you lost time. 77 00:07:26,213 --> 00:07:28,816 - Yes. 78 00:07:32,953 --> 00:07:34,922 - I'm worried about you, Will. 79 00:07:34,955 --> 00:07:37,925 You empathize so completely with the killers Jack Crawford 80 00:07:37,958 --> 00:07:41,762 has your mind wrapped around that you lose yourself to them. 81 00:07:41,795 --> 00:07:44,498 What if you lose time and hurt yourself? 82 00:07:44,532 --> 00:07:46,700 Or someone else? 83 00:07:49,703 --> 00:07:53,874 I don't want you to wake up and see a totem of your own making. 84 00:07:59,547 --> 00:08:01,715 *** 85 00:08:21,669 --> 00:08:25,105 - Every day I wake up and... 86 00:08:25,138 --> 00:08:27,507 I hear my dad's voice. 87 00:08:30,678 --> 00:08:33,046 Like he was kneeling next to my bed. 88 00:08:36,784 --> 00:08:39,753 He whispers what he told me. 89 00:08:45,258 --> 00:08:47,761 He told me he killed girls. 90 00:08:49,597 --> 00:08:52,600 Again and again. 91 00:08:52,633 --> 00:08:56,637 So he wouldn't have to kill me. 92 00:09:00,140 --> 00:09:02,109 I wish he was still alive 93 00:09:02,142 --> 00:09:05,012 so I could ask him... 94 00:09:05,045 --> 00:09:07,014 what did I make him feel? 95 00:09:07,047 --> 00:09:09,850 What was so wrong with me 96 00:09:09,883 --> 00:09:12,352 that he wanted to kill-- - He should have. 97 00:09:12,385 --> 00:09:14,988 He should have killed you. 98 00:09:17,224 --> 00:09:20,861 So he wouldn't have killed me. - So he wouldn't have killed me. 99 00:09:20,894 --> 00:09:24,031 - So he wouldn't have killed me. - So he wouldn't have killed me. 100 00:09:24,064 --> 00:09:27,000 - (girls): So he wouldn't have killed me. 101 00:09:27,034 --> 00:09:30,303 (girls' voices echoing) 102 00:09:30,337 --> 00:09:33,607 - So he wouldn't have killed me. - So he wouldn't have killed me. 103 00:09:33,641 --> 00:09:35,242 (girls' voices echoing) 104 00:09:35,275 --> 00:09:39,747 (Abigail breathing rapidly) - He should have killed you. 105 00:09:41,649 --> 00:09:44,151 So that you wouldn't have killed me. 106 00:09:44,184 --> 00:09:46,854 (gasping and panting) 107 00:10:02,335 --> 00:10:04,004 - Hey. 108 00:10:10,377 --> 00:10:12,345 - I'm sorry about yesterday. 109 00:10:12,379 --> 00:10:14,815 - Sorry about what? 110 00:10:16,449 --> 00:10:20,220 - I... I wasn't feeling like myself. 111 00:10:20,253 --> 00:10:22,422 - Well, not feeling like yourself, 112 00:10:22,455 --> 00:10:24,758 that's kind of what you do, isn't it? 113 00:10:24,792 --> 00:10:27,060 - I suppose so. (both chuckling) 114 00:10:27,094 --> 00:10:29,429 - Yeah. OK. 115 00:10:29,462 --> 00:10:32,165 - So, I seemed fine to you? 116 00:10:32,199 --> 00:10:36,036 - Is there something you want to tell me? 117 00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:38,338 - Uh, no. No, no. 118 00:10:38,371 --> 00:10:40,808 - Well, clearly 119 00:10:40,841 --> 00:10:43,176 there's something that you don't want to tell me. 120 00:10:43,210 --> 00:10:47,948 - I-I guess I just got a little lost yesterday, is all. 121 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,688 - And where are you today? 122 00:10:54,722 --> 00:10:59,026 - It got to me. (chuckling) 123 00:10:59,059 --> 00:11:02,229 All those bodies got to me, and, uh, 124 00:11:02,262 --> 00:11:06,299 I thought it was a little more obvious than... than it was. 125 00:11:06,333 --> 00:11:11,404 (deep sigh) 126 00:11:11,438 --> 00:11:14,975 - If there's a problem, you need to tell me. 127 00:11:19,346 --> 00:11:21,849 Is there a problem, Will? 128 00:11:21,882 --> 00:11:25,685 - Everything's fine. 129 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,256 - All right. 130 00:11:29,289 --> 00:11:30,991 - All right. 131 00:11:46,373 --> 00:11:49,276 - They sold my parents' house. 132 00:11:49,309 --> 00:11:53,280 Murder houses don't fetch big money in today's real estate market. 133 00:11:53,313 --> 00:11:55,382 - Not that you'll get any of it. 134 00:11:55,415 --> 00:11:59,953 The families of your father's victims filed wrongful death suits. 135 00:11:59,987 --> 00:12:03,023 - Wrongful death? - That means that they get 136 00:12:03,056 --> 00:12:05,793 everything, Abigail. Every penny. 137 00:12:08,461 --> 00:12:10,430 What you have 138 00:12:10,463 --> 00:12:13,166 here is all you have. 139 00:12:15,568 --> 00:12:18,205 - Let them take all his money. 140 00:12:18,238 --> 00:12:20,473 I don't want any of it. 141 00:12:20,507 --> 00:12:22,475 - You can make your own money. 142 00:12:22,509 --> 00:12:24,411 - How much would I get 143 00:12:24,444 --> 00:12:28,181 if you wrote a book about me? 144 00:12:28,215 --> 00:12:30,250 About my dad? 145 00:12:30,283 --> 00:12:32,419 - Plenty. 146 00:12:32,452 --> 00:12:35,856 - Do you still want to tell my story? 147 00:12:35,889 --> 00:12:38,959 - I think you need to tell your own story, 148 00:12:38,992 --> 00:12:41,394 but I am the one to help you tell it. 149 00:12:41,428 --> 00:12:44,998 No one knows more about what your father did than I do. 150 00:12:45,032 --> 00:12:48,335 - Not even Will Graham? - Will Graham is 151 00:12:48,368 --> 00:12:52,873 part of the story you tell, Abigail, not the person to help you tell it. 152 00:12:52,906 --> 00:12:57,310 - He avoids me because I make him feel like my father. 153 00:12:57,344 --> 00:13:00,580 - Feeling like your father makes him feel like a killer. 154 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:04,251 - People think I helped my dad kill those girls. 155 00:13:04,284 --> 00:13:07,821 - Well, you can change what people think. 156 00:13:07,855 --> 00:13:10,090 We can change that together. 157 00:13:10,123 --> 00:13:12,993 Everyone will know the truth. 158 00:13:17,064 --> 00:13:19,232 - OK. 159 00:13:19,266 --> 00:13:21,268 Let's tell my story. 160 00:13:42,990 --> 00:13:44,624 - How many bodies? 161 00:13:44,657 --> 00:13:46,626 - (Brian): We got 17 in total. 162 00:13:46,659 --> 00:13:49,496 - Meet our freshest one, 163 00:13:49,529 --> 00:13:51,398 Joel Summers. 164 00:13:51,431 --> 00:13:52,933 Forty years old, 165 00:13:52,966 --> 00:13:55,002 runs a cell phone store in Knoxville, Tennessee. 166 00:13:55,035 --> 00:13:57,137 Or did. Been missing for three days. 167 00:13:57,170 --> 00:13:59,172 - Single stab wound to the heart. 168 00:13:59,206 --> 00:14:03,476 Other injuries were post mortem--broken bones, dislocated hips, shoulders. 169 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:06,947 - He was special to him somehow. 170 00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:09,582 He held a place of honor. - Seven bodies 171 00:14:09,616 --> 00:14:12,085 from unmarked graves found at the crime scene. 172 00:14:12,119 --> 00:14:15,188 Earth from the body parts matches the gravesites. 173 00:14:15,222 --> 00:14:18,291 - Blunt force trauma, stabbings, strangulations. Wrongful deaths. 174 00:14:18,325 --> 00:14:20,293 - There are at least eight other bodies 175 00:14:20,327 --> 00:14:23,096 that are recent grave robbings from all across West Virginia. 176 00:14:23,130 --> 00:14:26,633 No crimes attributed to any of them. Accidental deaths. 177 00:14:26,666 --> 00:14:29,502 - They're all murders. 178 00:14:38,178 --> 00:14:40,447 - Anthony Lamb, 28, 179 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,350 fatal car wreck, 1986. 180 00:14:43,383 --> 00:14:45,185 Francesca Bourdain, 42, 181 00:14:45,218 --> 00:14:47,554 suicide, pills, 1994. 182 00:14:47,587 --> 00:14:49,556 Adrian Packham, 60, 183 00:14:49,589 --> 00:14:52,259 massive coronary, 2001. 184 00:14:52,292 --> 00:14:54,094 Peter McGee, 25, 185 00:14:54,127 --> 00:14:57,197 carbon monoxide poisoning in his home, 2006. 186 00:14:57,230 --> 00:15:03,170 And seven as-yet unidentified bodies buried on a beach. 187 00:15:03,203 --> 00:15:05,172 Every death is different, 188 00:15:05,205 --> 00:15:08,475 made to look like something else. 189 00:15:08,508 --> 00:15:11,311 No sadism, no torture. 190 00:15:11,344 --> 00:15:15,582 The method of these murders was less important to the killer 191 00:15:15,615 --> 00:15:18,218 than the simple fact... 192 00:15:18,251 --> 00:15:20,420 that these people die. 193 00:15:24,124 --> 00:15:25,525 Joel Summers, 194 00:15:25,558 --> 00:15:30,163 killed with a single stab to the heart. 195 00:15:30,197 --> 00:15:34,234 presented with great ostentation 196 00:15:34,267 --> 00:15:37,704 atop a display of all the previous victims. 197 00:15:37,737 --> 00:15:43,210 This killer's design was to remain unnoticed, a ghost. 198 00:15:43,243 --> 00:15:45,412 That is what excited him. 199 00:15:47,414 --> 00:15:49,549 Until now. 200 00:15:49,582 --> 00:15:51,551 Why... 201 00:15:51,584 --> 00:15:54,421 is he coming out into the light? 202 00:15:54,454 --> 00:15:56,456 - Will? 203 00:15:56,489 --> 00:15:59,993 I don't want to interrupt if you're rehearsing, or... 204 00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:08,368 - Uh... n...no, no, no. It's OK, it's OK. 205 00:16:11,638 --> 00:16:14,541 - Very moody in here. 206 00:16:16,409 --> 00:16:19,446 - Uh... well, that's me all over. 207 00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:22,115 (He chuckles.) Come on in. 208 00:16:24,517 --> 00:16:27,020 I promise I won't try to kiss you again. 209 00:16:29,089 --> 00:16:31,691 Unless you've stopped taking your own advice. 210 00:16:31,724 --> 00:16:37,564 - A doctor who treats herself has a fool for a patient. 211 00:16:39,432 --> 00:16:43,136 I regretted leaving your house the other night. 212 00:16:43,170 --> 00:16:45,805 - Regretted? 213 00:16:45,838 --> 00:16:48,408 (slide clicker dropped on table) 214 00:16:48,441 --> 00:16:51,544 Implying that you're no longer regretting, 215 00:16:51,578 --> 00:16:54,547 or are you still in a state of regret? 216 00:16:54,581 --> 00:16:58,218 - I'm crisscrossing the state line. 217 00:16:58,251 --> 00:17:00,320 - What side of the line you on now? 218 00:17:01,821 --> 00:17:05,525 - I've got one foot firmly planted on both sides. 219 00:17:11,164 --> 00:17:13,433 - Are you telling me that to confuse me? 220 00:17:13,466 --> 00:17:17,370 - No, I'm telling you that to be honest about how I feel. 221 00:17:17,404 --> 00:17:21,341 I don't want to mislead you, but I don't want to lie to you either. 222 00:17:21,374 --> 00:17:24,544 - I won't lie if you don't. 223 00:17:27,780 --> 00:17:31,151 - I have feelings for you, Will. 224 00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:37,857 But I can't just have an affair with you. 225 00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:40,127 It would be... 226 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,695 reckless. 227 00:17:42,729 --> 00:17:44,231 - Why? 228 00:17:44,264 --> 00:17:46,233 (chuckling): Why? 229 00:17:46,266 --> 00:17:49,136 And it is not because you have a professional curiosity 230 00:17:49,169 --> 00:17:51,804 about me. - No. 231 00:17:51,838 --> 00:17:55,375 It's because I think you're unstable. 232 00:17:58,711 --> 00:18:02,682 And until that changes, I can only be your friend. 233 00:18:05,785 --> 00:18:08,121 - Thank you for not lying. 234 00:18:10,790 --> 00:18:13,126 - Do you feel unstable? 235 00:18:17,564 --> 00:18:19,266 - Mm. 236 00:18:40,553 --> 00:18:43,656 I'm trying to be understated 237 00:18:43,690 --> 00:18:47,260 when I say that this is a bad idea. 238 00:18:47,294 --> 00:18:48,661 - Freddie Lounds is dangerous. 239 00:18:48,695 --> 00:18:51,264 - She said she wanted me to write about you guys 240 00:18:51,298 --> 00:18:53,366 in the book. 241 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,403 - You would be forfeiting your privacy and ours. 242 00:18:58,438 --> 00:19:02,375 - This... this... well, all of this will change. 243 00:19:02,409 --> 00:19:05,945 Whatever you're feeling now, that won't last. 244 00:19:05,978 --> 00:19:08,415 Things change. 245 00:19:08,448 --> 00:19:11,351 Things are changing for me too. 246 00:19:12,985 --> 00:19:14,687 I'm doing some accounting 247 00:19:14,721 --> 00:19:17,324 of what's important in my life and what isn't. 248 00:19:17,357 --> 00:19:20,827 You are important, Abigail. 249 00:19:20,860 --> 00:19:26,199 - Just because you killed my dad doesn't mean you get to be him. 250 00:19:26,233 --> 00:19:28,701 - Abigail, we've been through 251 00:19:28,735 --> 00:19:31,704 a traumatic event, and no one more traumatized 252 00:19:31,738 --> 00:19:34,674 than you, Abigail, but we went through it together. 253 00:19:34,707 --> 00:19:36,843 What you write, you write about all of us. 254 00:19:36,876 --> 00:19:38,845 - I don't need your permission. 255 00:19:38,878 --> 00:19:43,550 - And you don't need our approval, but I hope it would mean something. 256 00:19:45,752 --> 00:19:48,488 - I know what people think I did. 257 00:19:50,357 --> 00:19:51,724 They're wrong. 258 00:19:51,758 --> 00:19:55,328 Why can't I tell everybody that they're wrong? 259 00:19:55,362 --> 00:19:58,698 - You have nothing to apologize for. 260 00:19:58,731 --> 00:20:00,333 - Yet. 261 00:20:00,367 --> 00:20:03,002 But if you open this door, Abigail, 262 00:20:03,035 --> 00:20:05,538 you won't control what comes through. 263 00:20:05,572 --> 00:20:08,375 Are you ready for that? 264 00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:37,937 - The display was built in Grafton for a reason. 265 00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:40,039 Totem poles commemorate special events. 266 00:20:40,072 --> 00:20:42,375 They tell the story of a life. 267 00:20:42,409 --> 00:20:46,479 If Joel Summers is his finale, then this lowest body 268 00:20:46,513 --> 00:20:48,681 on the pole will be our killer's beginning. 269 00:20:48,715 --> 00:20:50,717 His first. 270 00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:52,419 - Fletcher Marshall. 271 00:20:52,452 --> 00:20:55,422 Murdered in 1973. Beaten to death right in Grafton. 272 00:20:55,455 --> 00:20:57,424 His grave was robbed five days ago. 273 00:20:57,457 --> 00:21:02,295 - No one convicted of killing him? - Not yet. 274 00:21:02,329 --> 00:21:05,432 - So our guy got away with it 40 years ago. 275 00:21:05,465 --> 00:21:08,301 - So he kept on going. 276 00:21:08,335 --> 00:21:10,670 - There will be a connection between 277 00:21:10,703 --> 00:21:11,971 Joel Summers 278 00:21:12,004 --> 00:21:13,706 and Fletcher Marshall. 279 00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:15,508 - Will. 280 00:21:15,542 --> 00:21:17,877 I need you in my office. 281 00:21:24,484 --> 00:21:28,020 Nicholas Boyle turned up in Minnesota--dead. 282 00:21:28,054 --> 00:21:30,790 His body was found in the woods. He was frozen. 283 00:21:30,823 --> 00:21:33,326 They thawed him out fairly quickly, but they said 284 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:35,328 they can't tell if he died a week ago, 285 00:21:35,362 --> 00:21:37,497 six weeks ago, or the night that he disappeared. 286 00:21:37,530 --> 00:21:39,031 - (Alana): How did he die? 287 00:21:41,768 --> 00:21:47,440 - Knife wound. He was gutted. I've had the body flown down here. I want Abigail Hobbs 288 00:21:47,474 --> 00:21:49,041 to identify it for us. 289 00:21:49,075 --> 00:21:51,344 - You already have a positive ID. 290 00:21:51,378 --> 00:21:53,580 - Not from Abigail Hobbs. - You can't put her in a room 291 00:21:53,613 --> 00:21:56,048 with Nick Boyle's body. She already has nightmares 292 00:21:56,082 --> 00:21:58,651 about him, Jack. - I'm curious about why. 293 00:21:58,685 --> 00:22:01,988 - You can't think that she has something to do with this? - I think Abigail 294 00:22:02,021 --> 00:22:05,792 Hobbs is the common denominator between her father, Marissa Schuur, 295 00:22:05,825 --> 00:22:08,561 and Nicholas Boyle. They all go back to Abigail. 296 00:22:08,595 --> 00:22:11,030 My instincts tell me that Abigail has answers 297 00:22:11,063 --> 00:22:13,800 that we have not heard. - What are the questions, Jack? 298 00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:15,635 - Let's start with where she goes 299 00:22:15,668 --> 00:22:18,104 when she climbs the walls of the psychiatric facility. 300 00:22:18,137 --> 00:22:21,107 Maybe she's meeting Nicholas Boyle. None of us know 301 00:22:21,140 --> 00:22:23,510 what was really going on between them. 302 00:22:23,543 --> 00:22:25,512 - I want to go on record as saying that this is 303 00:22:25,545 --> 00:22:29,148 a very bad idea. Hannibal? - Jack has the look of a man 304 00:22:29,181 --> 00:22:31,384 with no interest in any opinion but his own. 305 00:22:31,418 --> 00:22:34,654 - I want you to observe on this, Alana. 306 00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:38,057 - If you're putting Abigail in a room with the body, I want to be there. 307 00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:41,060 - I'm sorry, Will. I am not very confident with your ability 308 00:22:41,093 --> 00:22:45,432 to be objective about Abigail Hobbs right now. Alana. 309 00:22:53,940 --> 00:22:56,676 - He could do Abigail irreparable damage 310 00:22:56,709 --> 00:22:58,545 exposing her to this. 311 00:22:58,578 --> 00:23:01,113 - Perhaps she's stronger than we think. 312 00:23:15,962 --> 00:23:18,498 - Miss Hobbs, I want you to look 313 00:23:18,531 --> 00:23:20,433 at this man. 314 00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:25,037 Is this the same person that attacked you, 315 00:23:25,071 --> 00:23:27,840 Dr. Bloom, and Dr. Lecter at your home? 316 00:23:27,874 --> 00:23:31,110 - That's him. 317 00:23:31,143 --> 00:23:32,845 - Good. 318 00:23:32,879 --> 00:23:36,483 I just have a few other questions I'd like you to answer. 319 00:23:38,718 --> 00:23:42,021 Have you seen this man since the night he attacked you? 320 00:23:42,054 --> 00:23:44,924 - Could you cover him up? 321 00:23:44,957 --> 00:23:47,226 - I just need you to answer the question first. 322 00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:49,529 Please. 323 00:23:53,733 --> 00:23:55,702 - No. 324 00:23:55,735 --> 00:23:57,737 I haven't seen him 325 00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:00,607 since h-he attacked me. 326 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,942 - This man, Nicholas Boyle, 327 00:24:02,975 --> 00:24:05,845 was gutted with a hunting knife. 328 00:24:05,878 --> 00:24:07,747 You knew how to do that. 329 00:24:07,780 --> 00:24:11,584 Your father taught you. - Jack, I won't be party to this. 330 00:24:11,618 --> 00:24:13,219 - Then you can leave. 331 00:24:13,252 --> 00:24:15,488 You're here by invitation, by courtesy, Dr. Bloom. 332 00:24:15,522 --> 00:24:18,024 Please don't interrupt me again. 333 00:24:19,992 --> 00:24:22,695 - You think I did this? 334 00:24:22,729 --> 00:24:24,497 - Where do you go 335 00:24:24,531 --> 00:24:27,667 when you escape from the hospital, Abigail? 336 00:24:29,235 --> 00:24:32,572 - Sometimes... into the city, sometimes 337 00:24:32,605 --> 00:24:34,641 into the woods, 338 00:24:34,674 --> 00:24:37,510 sometimes just out. 339 00:24:37,544 --> 00:24:43,249 I go get away from... this, 340 00:24:43,282 --> 00:24:46,686 to be alone where I can... 341 00:24:46,719 --> 00:24:50,022 think... breathe. 342 00:24:50,056 --> 00:24:52,024 - Did you ever meet with Nicholas Boyle 343 00:24:52,058 --> 00:24:54,761 on one of your little getaways from the hospital? 344 00:24:57,029 --> 00:25:00,166 Did the two of you know each other before the night he attacked you? 345 00:25:00,199 --> 00:25:02,835 Did he know your father-- 346 00:25:02,869 --> 00:25:04,671 - No. 347 00:25:06,606 --> 00:25:09,709 - And you know nothing about his death? 348 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:15,582 - I know he tried to kill me. 349 00:25:17,049 --> 00:25:20,587 And when he was trying to kill me, all I could think was 350 00:25:20,620 --> 00:25:23,590 that I was gonna die in that house after all. 351 00:25:27,594 --> 00:25:29,161 But I didn't. 352 00:25:30,997 --> 00:25:32,832 I survived. 353 00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:36,969 Dr. Bloom and... 354 00:25:37,003 --> 00:25:39,739 Dr. Lecter saved my life. 355 00:25:39,772 --> 00:25:41,774 They saved me from him. 356 00:25:47,614 --> 00:25:50,750 - And you haven't seen him since? 357 00:25:50,783 --> 00:25:53,052 - Only in my nightmares. 358 00:26:22,248 --> 00:26:24,751 - You believe her? - I think 359 00:26:24,784 --> 00:26:26,853 Abigail Hobbs is damaged. There is something 360 00:26:26,886 --> 00:26:29,789 she's using every ounce of that strength to keep buried, 361 00:26:29,822 --> 00:26:31,824 but it's not the murder of Nicholas Boyle, Jack! 362 00:26:31,858 --> 00:26:34,160 - What makes you so sure? - Because any reservations 363 00:26:34,193 --> 00:26:37,063 I have about Abigail don't extend to Hannibal! 364 00:26:39,331 --> 00:26:42,669 He has no reason to lie about any of this! 365 00:26:59,085 --> 00:27:02,755 - It can be a comfort to see the broken, bloated corpse of a monster 366 00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:05,825 and know it can never come back. 367 00:27:09,028 --> 00:27:11,798 - Nick Boyle wasn't a monster. 368 00:27:14,033 --> 00:27:15,768 - Were you? 369 00:27:17,403 --> 00:27:20,239 - I sometimes feel like one. 370 00:27:22,241 --> 00:27:25,211 - Is that why you uncovered his body? 371 00:27:27,346 --> 00:27:30,349 Would this be a chapter in your book, Abigail? 372 00:27:30,382 --> 00:27:34,420 - No. Neither would killing Nick or you helping me hide the body. 373 00:27:34,453 --> 00:27:36,956 - There's always an addendum. 374 00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:40,392 - The FBI already asked their questions. I answered them. I passed. 375 00:27:40,426 --> 00:27:42,695 - With Jack Crawford's attention. 376 00:27:42,729 --> 00:27:44,697 - You're right. I opened the door. 377 00:27:44,731 --> 00:27:47,366 I can't control what comes through it, but this time 378 00:27:47,399 --> 00:27:50,803 I could control when. 379 00:27:50,837 --> 00:27:53,472 I'm not afraid of them finding Nicholas Boyle anymore. 380 00:27:53,505 --> 00:27:56,175 He's been found. 381 00:27:56,208 --> 00:27:58,310 - You betrayed my trust. 382 00:27:58,344 --> 00:28:01,313 You jeopardized my life as well as your own. 383 00:28:01,347 --> 00:28:04,183 I deserve more than that. 384 00:28:06,352 --> 00:28:10,122 I need to trust you, Abigail. 385 00:28:10,156 --> 00:28:12,291 What if I can't? 386 00:28:16,495 --> 00:28:18,931 - Joel Summers, the headpiece of our totem pole, was adopted 387 00:28:18,965 --> 00:28:21,433 after his parents died. Guess who dad was. 388 00:28:21,467 --> 00:28:22,969 - Fletcher Marshall. 389 00:28:23,002 --> 00:28:25,504 Joel Summers is Joel Marshall. 390 00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:30,076 - Uh, we did a DNA comparison between Fletcher Marshall and Joel Summers. 391 00:28:30,109 --> 00:28:31,978 No match. 392 00:28:32,011 --> 00:28:35,081 - So Marshall's son wasn't his son? 393 00:28:35,114 --> 00:28:38,050 - The mom, Eleanor, was killed in a car accident four years 394 00:28:38,084 --> 00:28:40,352 after Fletcher was killed. - Genuine car accident? 395 00:28:40,386 --> 00:28:42,354 - If she was murdered, she would have been on the totem pole. 396 00:28:42,388 --> 00:28:45,391 - Well, unless he loved her too much to disgrace her that way. 397 00:28:45,424 --> 00:28:48,027 - Was anyone ever convicted for Marshall's murder? 398 00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:49,461 - There was a man named Laurence Wells 399 00:28:49,495 --> 00:28:54,300 who was questioned twice in 1973. Never charged. Still lives in Grafton. 400 00:28:56,135 --> 00:28:58,437 - Fletcher Marshall was a crime of passion. 401 00:28:58,470 --> 00:29:01,507 It had something that none of the other murders had. 402 00:29:01,540 --> 00:29:04,877 - Motive. 403 00:29:09,515 --> 00:29:12,184 - (man): It's open. Come in. 404 00:29:16,288 --> 00:29:18,090 I'm unarmed. 405 00:29:21,427 --> 00:29:24,396 - So you were expecting us. 406 00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:27,800 - I had faith you'd find me. 407 00:29:27,834 --> 00:29:29,368 - And why is that, Mr. Wells? 408 00:29:29,401 --> 00:29:31,437 - Because I let you. 409 00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:34,340 That last one was... 410 00:29:34,373 --> 00:29:38,244 let's just say it's a good thing it was the last one. 411 00:29:38,277 --> 00:29:41,147 I don't have the fight in me anymore. 412 00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:44,216 - Are you confessing to the murder of Joel Summers? 413 00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:46,518 (He chuckles.) 414 00:29:46,552 --> 00:29:49,856 - And Fletcher Marshall. 415 00:29:49,889 --> 00:29:52,892 And 15 others. 416 00:29:52,925 --> 00:29:54,526 I assume you've counted 'em up 417 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,297 by now. - So you killed Joel Summers just so you'd be caught. 418 00:29:58,330 --> 00:30:00,933 - Not just. 419 00:30:00,967 --> 00:30:02,935 I killed Joel Summers 420 00:30:02,969 --> 00:30:06,205 because he was never meant to be. 421 00:30:06,238 --> 00:30:08,975 - What reason did you have to kill the others? 422 00:30:09,008 --> 00:30:11,878 - I had every reason to kill the others. 423 00:30:11,911 --> 00:30:14,013 They just had no reason to die. 424 00:30:15,481 --> 00:30:20,086 They never saw me coming unless I wanted them to see me coming. 425 00:30:23,089 --> 00:30:26,893 I could wave at a lady and smile, 426 00:30:26,926 --> 00:30:29,929 chew the fat with her in church, 427 00:30:29,962 --> 00:30:32,164 knowing I killed her husband. 428 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,068 There is something beautiful 429 00:30:36,102 --> 00:30:38,637 about that ball of silence at a funeral, 430 00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:40,940 all those people around you, 431 00:30:40,973 --> 00:30:43,342 knowing that you made it happen. 432 00:30:45,444 --> 00:30:48,047 - Now there's something beautiful about knowing 433 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,950 that you'll spend the rest of your life in prison. 434 00:30:50,983 --> 00:30:54,887 - Do I look wealthy to you? 435 00:30:54,921 --> 00:30:57,223 Prison is gonna be a luxury 436 00:30:57,256 --> 00:31:00,359 next to the kind of retirement home I can afford. 437 00:31:00,392 --> 00:31:05,364 And I certainly won't be forgotten there. 438 00:31:05,397 --> 00:31:09,535 I'm securing my... 439 00:31:09,568 --> 00:31:11,971 I'm securing my legacy. 440 00:31:12,004 --> 00:31:14,673 - That's one way to be remembered. 441 00:31:14,706 --> 00:31:17,243 No children to tell your story. 442 00:31:17,276 --> 00:31:19,378 Did Joel Summers remember his father? 443 00:31:19,411 --> 00:31:21,413 - Not anymore. 444 00:31:21,447 --> 00:31:23,249 - Did you have an affair 445 00:31:23,282 --> 00:31:25,952 with Eleanor Marshall before you murdered her? 446 00:31:28,454 --> 00:31:30,957 From your silence, I'm gonna take that as a yes. 447 00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:35,294 - He was your son. Joel Summers. - What? 448 00:31:35,327 --> 00:31:37,296 - You thought the woman you loved was having 449 00:31:37,329 --> 00:31:39,365 Fletcher Marshall's baby when she should've been having yours, 450 00:31:39,398 --> 00:31:41,533 but you got it the wrong way around. 451 00:31:41,567 --> 00:31:43,302 Eleanor chose to raise him 452 00:31:43,335 --> 00:31:46,472 as Fletcher Marshall's child rather than yours, 453 00:31:46,505 --> 00:31:48,975 so maybe... 454 00:31:49,008 --> 00:31:51,177 she saw what's in your heart. 455 00:31:51,210 --> 00:31:56,415 - You didn't secure your legacy, Mr. Wells; you murdered it. 456 00:31:56,448 --> 00:31:58,985 - In fact, your one act as a father was 457 00:31:59,018 --> 00:32:01,187 to destroy your son. 458 00:32:16,402 --> 00:32:18,404 - Killing somebody, 459 00:32:18,437 --> 00:32:20,439 it feels that bad? 460 00:32:23,275 --> 00:32:25,344 I'm worried about nightmares. 461 00:32:25,377 --> 00:32:29,081 - (Hannibal): We'll help you with the nightmares. 462 00:32:44,596 --> 00:32:46,565 (soft ambient pulse) 463 00:32:46,598 --> 00:32:48,967 (heartbeat) 464 00:33:02,781 --> 00:33:05,284 (Nick groaning) 465 00:33:15,827 --> 00:33:18,264 (She gasps.) 466 00:33:37,316 --> 00:33:41,487 (Cello Suite No.2: "Sarabande" by Bach playing) 467 00:33:56,335 --> 00:33:59,271 - Abigail Hobbs killed Nick Boyle. 468 00:34:01,507 --> 00:34:03,375 - Yes, I know. 469 00:34:06,845 --> 00:34:09,381 - Tell me why you know. 470 00:34:09,415 --> 00:34:13,352 - I helped her dispose of the body. 471 00:34:17,256 --> 00:34:19,558 - Evidently... 472 00:34:19,591 --> 00:34:23,362 not well enough. 473 00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:25,664 - Have you told Jack Crawford? 474 00:34:25,697 --> 00:34:28,400 - No. 475 00:34:28,434 --> 00:34:29,801 - Why not? 476 00:34:29,835 --> 00:34:32,671 - Because I was hoping it wasn't true. 477 00:34:40,512 --> 00:34:44,383 - Well... now you know the truth. 478 00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:45,651 - Do I? 479 00:34:45,684 --> 00:34:50,122 - Everything you know about that night is true, except the end. 480 00:34:50,156 --> 00:34:52,291 Nicholas Boyle attacked us. 481 00:34:52,324 --> 00:34:54,426 Abigail's only crime was to defend herself, 482 00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:56,595 and I lied about it. - Why? 483 00:34:56,628 --> 00:34:59,265 - You know why. 484 00:34:59,298 --> 00:35:01,467 Because Jack Crawford would hang her 485 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:04,236 for what her father's done, and the world would burn Abigail 486 00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:06,472 in his place. That would be the story. 487 00:35:06,505 --> 00:35:09,341 That would be what Freddie Lounds writes. 488 00:35:13,279 --> 00:35:14,880 Abigail is no more a killer than you are 489 00:35:14,913 --> 00:35:17,683 for shooting her father, or I am for the death of Tobias Budge. 490 00:35:17,716 --> 00:35:21,687 - It isn't our place to decide. - If not ours, then whose? 491 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,756 Who knows Abigail better than you and I? 492 00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:27,493 Or the burden she bears? 493 00:35:29,728 --> 00:35:31,630 We are her fathers now. 494 00:35:31,663 --> 00:35:35,201 We have to serve her better than Garret Jacob Hobbs. 495 00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:48,414 If you go to Jack, then you murder Abigail's future. 496 00:35:58,590 --> 00:36:00,759 Do I need to call my lawyer, Will? 497 00:36:20,846 --> 00:36:23,215 We can tell no one. 498 00:36:33,825 --> 00:36:36,662 What we are doing here is the right thing. 499 00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:44,470 In time, this will be the only story any of us cares to tell. 500 00:36:57,749 --> 00:37:03,522 (classical music playing) I feel terrible, Miss Lounds. 501 00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:07,326 Never entered my head you might be a vegetarian. 502 00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:09,495 A lapse on my behalf. 503 00:37:09,528 --> 00:37:12,698 - Research always delivers benefits. 504 00:37:12,731 --> 00:37:16,435 - If it contradicts a good story, hell, publish it anyway. 505 00:37:17,903 --> 00:37:19,871 - Are you still angry I called you insane? 506 00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:22,741 The libel laws are clear, Mr. Graham. 507 00:37:22,774 --> 00:37:24,876 - (Will): Insinuation is such a grey area. 508 00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:27,646 - Insane isn't really black or white, is it? 509 00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:30,015 We're all pathological in our own ways. 510 00:37:30,048 --> 00:37:33,719 - You choose the version of the truth that suits you best 511 00:37:33,752 --> 00:37:35,787 and pursue it pathologically. 512 00:37:35,821 --> 00:37:38,624 - Everybody decides their own versions of the truth. 513 00:37:38,657 --> 00:37:42,794 I'm here because I want to tell Abigail's version of the truth. 514 00:37:45,431 --> 00:37:46,832 - See that you do. 515 00:37:46,865 --> 00:37:49,635 - I don't have anything to hide. 516 00:37:49,668 --> 00:37:51,637 - Everyone has something to hide, 517 00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:54,573 but I won't tell anything you don't want me to. 518 00:37:54,606 --> 00:37:57,042 - You must understand our concerns. 519 00:37:57,075 --> 00:37:59,545 We care about Abigail. 520 00:37:59,578 --> 00:38:01,913 Our only thought is to protect her. 521 00:38:01,947 --> 00:38:05,317 - Hm. She's already exposed. 522 00:38:05,351 --> 00:38:07,085 Her silence until now has 523 00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,921 been taken as guilt. This book is 524 00:38:09,955 --> 00:38:11,790 about her innocence. 525 00:38:11,823 --> 00:38:14,393 I want Abigail to have a future. 526 00:38:14,426 --> 00:38:16,528 - That's what we all want. 527 00:38:16,562 --> 00:38:19,898 - Well, we all want what's best for Abigail. 528 00:38:21,933 --> 00:38:25,604 - This is possibly the finest salad I've ever eaten in my life. 529 00:38:25,637 --> 00:38:28,039 Shame to ruin it with all that meat. 530 00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:33,579 - Will knows, doesn't he? 531 00:38:35,447 --> 00:38:38,584 - He knows you killed Nicholas Boyle, yes. 532 00:38:40,552 --> 00:38:42,521 (She sniffles.) 533 00:38:42,554 --> 00:38:44,723 - What am I gonna do? 534 00:38:44,756 --> 00:38:46,925 - He will keep our secret. 535 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,830 - You don't know that. - He will keep it 536 00:38:51,863 --> 00:38:55,534 because otherwise the one good thing in his life is tainted. 537 00:38:55,567 --> 00:38:58,537 And he will lie to Jack Crawford about you 538 00:38:58,570 --> 00:39:01,039 just as he has lied to himself. 539 00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:04,843 You're free, Abigail. 540 00:39:04,876 --> 00:39:07,613 No one will know what you did. 541 00:39:15,787 --> 00:39:18,957 And no one will know the truth you're trying to avoid. 542 00:39:24,496 --> 00:39:27,666 The one you cannot admit 543 00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:29,868 even to yourself. 544 00:39:34,506 --> 00:39:37,476 - (softly): I helped him. 545 00:39:37,509 --> 00:39:40,879 - I can't hear you. - I helped him. 546 00:39:40,912 --> 00:39:44,783 I knew what my father was. I knew what he did. I... I knew. 547 00:39:49,721 --> 00:39:52,591 I was the one who... 548 00:39:52,624 --> 00:39:55,494 met the girls, 549 00:39:55,527 --> 00:39:57,663 talked to them. 550 00:40:00,098 --> 00:40:02,100 Laughed and joked. 551 00:40:04,836 --> 00:40:07,573 Found out where they lived, 552 00:40:07,606 --> 00:40:09,575 where they were going, 553 00:40:09,608 --> 00:40:11,777 when they'd be alone. 554 00:40:14,613 --> 00:40:16,882 Girls that looked just like me. 555 00:40:19,951 --> 00:40:22,554 They could have been my friends. 556 00:40:25,724 --> 00:40:28,560 I couldn't say no to him. I knew... 557 00:40:30,729 --> 00:40:33,565 ...I knew it was them or me. 558 00:40:39,104 --> 00:40:41,573 (Abigail crying) 559 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,050 - I wondered when you would tell me. 560 00:40:54,252 --> 00:40:56,021 - I'm a monster. 561 00:40:56,054 --> 00:40:57,856 - No. 562 00:40:57,889 --> 00:41:00,559 I know what monsters are. 563 00:41:00,592 --> 00:41:03,529 You're a victim. 564 00:41:03,562 --> 00:41:05,731 And Will and I... 565 00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:09,968 ...we're going to protect you. 566 00:41:10,001 --> 00:41:12,003 (She sniffles.) 567 00:41:20,779 --> 00:41:22,948 (train horn) 568 00:41:58,149 --> 00:41:59,618 - Mind if I sit? 569 00:41:59,651 --> 00:42:00,952 - Oh, yeah, sure. 570 00:42:00,986 --> 00:42:03,855 - Thanks. (Abigail clears her throat.) 571 00:42:03,889 --> 00:42:06,091 I hate traveling by myself. 572 00:42:06,124 --> 00:42:07,659 - I love it. 573 00:42:07,693 --> 00:42:09,895 - Where are you going? - Home 574 00:42:09,928 --> 00:42:12,230 for the weekend. How about you? 575 00:42:22,641 --> 00:42:25,911 Closed Captioning by SETTE inc.