1 00:00:01,725 --> 00:00:04,038 -We are so thrilled to be back in our studio 2 00:00:04,073 --> 00:00:05,074 for an all-new episode of "Talking Dead" tonight. 3 00:00:05,108 --> 00:00:06,282 We don't have an audience just yet, 4 00:00:06,316 --> 00:00:08,525 but we hope to have them back very soon. 5 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,494 Tonight, we saw some of our worst fears were realized 6 00:00:11,528 --> 00:00:14,600 when poor Eugene was not only Tinder swindled by Stephanie, 7 00:00:14,635 --> 00:00:16,878 but it turns out their whole relationship 8 00:00:16,913 --> 00:00:18,466 was an even bigger betrayal 9 00:00:18,501 --> 00:00:21,607 as part of a major manipulation by Hornsby. 10 00:00:21,642 --> 00:00:23,057 So If Hornsby is part of 11 00:00:23,092 --> 00:00:24,645 this dark underbelly of the Commonwealth, 12 00:00:24,679 --> 00:00:28,235 what does that mean for Carol, and can Eugene even trust Max? 13 00:00:28,269 --> 00:00:30,478 And instead of being saved by the Commonwealth, 14 00:00:30,513 --> 00:00:32,618 is Alexandria actually in danger? 15 00:00:32,653 --> 00:00:34,413 Well, on tonight's show, we have interviews with the cast, 16 00:00:34,448 --> 00:00:35,690 a throwback to one of our favorite moments 17 00:00:35,725 --> 00:00:37,175 in "Talking Dead" history 18 00:00:37,209 --> 00:00:38,866 that we're calling a "Talking Dead" Throwback, 19 00:00:38,900 --> 00:00:40,178 plus an exclusive sneak peek 20 00:00:40,212 --> 00:00:42,042 of next week's episode of "The Walking Dead." 21 00:00:42,076 --> 00:00:43,181 My guests tonight -- 22 00:00:43,215 --> 00:00:45,286 FearHQ Twitch channel host Clarke Wolfe; 23 00:00:45,321 --> 00:00:47,288 Michael Cudlitz, AKA Abraham, 24 00:00:47,323 --> 00:00:49,325 who directed tonight's episode, by the way; 25 00:00:49,359 --> 00:00:51,534 and, of course, Eugene himself, Josh McDermitt. 26 00:00:51,568 --> 00:00:54,399 I am Chris Hardwick, and this is "Talking Dead." 27 00:00:54,433 --> 00:01:03,891 ♪ 28 00:01:03,925 --> 00:01:05,099 Alright. 29 00:01:05,134 --> 00:01:05,893 The conversation is just beginning. 30 00:01:05,926 --> 00:01:07,446 We want to hear from you. 31 00:01:07,481 --> 00:01:09,897 Tweet us or hit us up on Instagram @AMCTalkingDead 32 00:01:09,931 --> 00:01:11,692 or go to "Talking Dead"'s Facebook page. 33 00:01:11,726 --> 00:01:14,488 Please say hello to my guests, Clarke Wolfe, Michael Cudlitz, 34 00:01:14,522 --> 00:01:18,526 and joining us via satellite, Josh McDermitt is here. 35 00:01:18,561 --> 00:01:20,494 Josh, how are you? 36 00:01:20,527 --> 00:01:22,599 Nice to see you. -Nice to see you. 37 00:01:22,634 --> 00:01:23,600 -Man, what a heartbreaking episode. 38 00:01:23,635 --> 00:01:25,568 So, let's just talk reactions. 39 00:01:25,602 --> 00:01:27,466 89GREYS on Twitter says, 40 00:01:27,501 --> 00:01:29,503 "Seeing Eugene in this episode absolutely broke my heart. 41 00:01:29,537 --> 00:01:32,506 We've never seen him like this." 42 00:01:32,539 --> 00:01:34,094 The Davistator on Twitter says, 43 00:01:34,128 --> 00:01:36,475 "I feel so f-ing sorry for Eugene. 44 00:01:36,509 --> 00:01:38,512 He deserves so much better." 45 00:01:38,545 --> 00:01:40,065 And SwiftRun on Twitter says, 46 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:41,894 "Josh McDermitt's acting skills as Eugene 47 00:01:41,929 --> 00:01:43,482 are at their peak!" 48 00:01:43,517 --> 00:01:46,485 And WalkingUniverse says, "One of the most creative 49 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,038 and unique episodes so far. 50 00:01:48,073 --> 00:01:49,419 Credits to director Michael Cudlitz 51 00:01:49,454 --> 00:01:52,457 and Josh McDermitt's impressive acting in this episode." 52 00:01:52,491 --> 00:01:54,286 Josh McDermitt, what -- 53 00:01:54,321 --> 00:01:56,495 can you tell us what your first reactions were 54 00:01:56,530 --> 00:02:00,465 when you learned about this Eugene-centric episode? 55 00:02:00,499 --> 00:02:04,676 -I mean... look, we know -- We know what's coming. 56 00:02:04,710 --> 00:02:06,885 We have meetings with, you know, the producers. 57 00:02:06,919 --> 00:02:09,267 I spoke with Angela Kang before we started shooting. 58 00:02:09,300 --> 00:02:10,923 She kind of broke down the first eight episodes, 59 00:02:10,958 --> 00:02:12,477 and then we jumped to this episode. 60 00:02:12,511 --> 00:02:14,513 And I was immediately excited, 61 00:02:14,548 --> 00:02:17,102 one, because I got to work with Mike. 62 00:02:17,137 --> 00:02:20,105 I think previously, Mike, we'd only done 63 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:23,902 a couple episodes together, and I was maybe in one scene 64 00:02:23,936 --> 00:02:25,628 or one or or two scenes 65 00:02:25,662 --> 00:02:28,113 and, you know, didn't really have a significant storyline. 66 00:02:28,148 --> 00:02:30,391 So the fact that Mike was gonna be able 67 00:02:30,426 --> 00:02:31,703 to direct the episode 68 00:02:31,737 --> 00:02:35,672 that was so heavily focused on Eugene was great, 69 00:02:35,707 --> 00:02:40,090 but yeah, I think it's -- this episode 70 00:02:40,125 --> 00:02:41,264 is kind of something 71 00:02:41,299 --> 00:02:42,886 that we haven't done before on this show. 72 00:02:42,921 --> 00:02:46,096 It's kind of noir-ish. 73 00:02:46,131 --> 00:02:49,099 A good, old-fashioned whodunit. 74 00:02:49,134 --> 00:02:50,687 You know, David Leslie Johnson-McGoldrick 75 00:02:50,722 --> 00:02:52,275 wrote the episode. 76 00:02:52,310 --> 00:02:54,484 It was all on the page, just, you know, had a great, 77 00:02:54,519 --> 00:02:57,280 strong episode from the start, 78 00:02:57,315 --> 00:03:00,283 and, you know, we -- I was really excited, 79 00:03:00,318 --> 00:03:02,492 you know, just to be able to push this character 80 00:03:02,527 --> 00:03:04,494 in ways that he hadn't been pushed before, 81 00:03:04,529 --> 00:03:07,083 and to really just see all that come out 82 00:03:07,117 --> 00:03:09,706 with the help of Mike and -- and everybody else involved 83 00:03:09,741 --> 00:03:11,432 with the episode, as well. 84 00:03:11,467 --> 00:03:13,848 -I mean, obviously you know, we think of Eugene 85 00:03:13,883 --> 00:03:15,643 as he's so analytic and everything, 86 00:03:15,678 --> 00:03:17,093 is just very pragmatic, 87 00:03:17,127 --> 00:03:19,509 and then in this episode, we actually saw him break open. 88 00:03:19,544 --> 00:03:22,892 And we saw this, like, chewy, emotional center inside 89 00:03:22,926 --> 00:03:25,101 that was beautiful and heartbreaking, 90 00:03:25,135 --> 00:03:26,896 and can you talk a little bit about getting to play 91 00:03:26,930 --> 00:03:28,622 this version of him? 92 00:03:28,656 --> 00:03:31,901 -Yeah, it's funny you bring up the chewy, emotional center 93 00:03:31,935 --> 00:03:34,110 'cause he was trying to eat that the whole time, 94 00:03:34,144 --> 00:03:37,078 just to stuff his feelings with food. 95 00:03:37,113 --> 00:03:38,701 -I thought he -- I thought at the very end 96 00:03:38,735 --> 00:03:40,254 when he runs into her with Hornsby, 97 00:03:40,289 --> 00:03:42,463 he's gonna pull out the, like, melted ice-cream cone, 98 00:03:42,498 --> 00:03:44,465 like, "This is for you!" You know? 99 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:46,847 -"I wanted to eat this!" -Yeah. 100 00:03:46,881 --> 00:03:47,848 -"I've been waiting!" 101 00:03:47,882 --> 00:03:49,125 [Laughter] 102 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:51,127 Yeah, I -- man... 103 00:03:51,161 --> 00:03:54,475 what -- I don't even know what the question was, Chris. 104 00:03:54,510 --> 00:03:56,305 We went off on a tangent. -Talking about 105 00:03:56,339 --> 00:03:58,478 the emotional center of Eugene in this episode. 106 00:03:58,514 --> 00:04:00,101 We've never seen him like this. 107 00:04:00,136 --> 00:04:01,689 -Yeah, we've never seen him like that. 108 00:04:01,724 --> 00:04:03,484 You know, we've seen versions of this, 109 00:04:03,519 --> 00:04:06,487 you know, obviously, him being pushed in certain ways, 110 00:04:06,522 --> 00:04:10,905 but we hadn't seen him do anything...this substantial. 111 00:04:10,940 --> 00:04:13,563 You know, it was really kind of scary for him 112 00:04:13,598 --> 00:04:16,290 because he didn't know who he could trust, 113 00:04:16,325 --> 00:04:18,292 and there were people that were coming into his life 114 00:04:18,327 --> 00:04:19,673 that he thought, 115 00:04:19,707 --> 00:04:22,883 you know, he was just kind of willfully trusting, 116 00:04:22,917 --> 00:04:25,023 especially in this world with the apocalypse 117 00:04:25,057 --> 00:04:27,094 where you kind can't trust anybody, 118 00:04:27,128 --> 00:04:28,992 it was kind of a bad move on his part 119 00:04:29,027 --> 00:04:31,132 to -- to be so trusting of people. 120 00:04:31,167 --> 00:04:33,480 And it really burned him in the worst way, 121 00:04:33,514 --> 00:04:37,104 and -- and it forced him to, you know, kind of confront 122 00:04:37,138 --> 00:04:39,900 and deal with a lot of things that were going on in his life 123 00:04:39,933 --> 00:04:42,316 and -- and push him in ways emotionally 124 00:04:42,351 --> 00:04:43,490 that we hadn't seen before. 125 00:04:43,524 --> 00:04:45,699 And, you know, if I never have to cry 126 00:04:45,733 --> 00:04:47,321 and freak out again for the rest of my life, 127 00:04:47,356 --> 00:04:48,322 I'll be okay. 128 00:04:48,357 --> 00:04:49,496 I don't want to keep doing that. 129 00:04:49,530 --> 00:04:51,670 It's like we got it all out in this episode. 130 00:04:51,705 --> 00:04:53,465 -Clarke, what do you think when -- 131 00:04:53,500 --> 00:04:55,087 what are you thinking when Eugene -- 132 00:04:55,122 --> 00:04:56,882 I mean, they -- they say the "I love yous," 133 00:04:56,917 --> 00:04:58,470 and it seems like, "Okay. 134 00:04:58,505 --> 00:05:01,853 Everything seems okay," and then ghosted instantly. 135 00:05:01,887 --> 00:05:03,303 What were your first thoughts? 136 00:05:03,337 --> 00:05:05,339 -I mean, seriously, like, in the apocalypse, 137 00:05:05,374 --> 00:05:07,479 we're still having to worry about ghosting? 138 00:05:07,514 --> 00:05:08,480 Like, rude. Rude. -Yep. Yep. 139 00:05:08,515 --> 00:05:10,102 It's so rude. 140 00:05:10,137 --> 00:05:13,692 -You know, look, I -- As a fan of the show, 141 00:05:13,727 --> 00:05:16,281 I feel like we have been -- the audience has been privy 142 00:05:16,316 --> 00:05:19,491 to some of Eugene's loves in the past, 143 00:05:19,526 --> 00:05:20,872 and this is the first time, though, 144 00:05:20,906 --> 00:05:23,461 we've really seen it reciprocated for him. 145 00:05:23,495 --> 00:05:25,463 so, you know, it was heartbreaking 146 00:05:25,497 --> 00:05:28,362 because, you know, when Stephanie was gone, 147 00:05:28,397 --> 00:05:29,777 much like Princess, 148 00:05:29,812 --> 00:05:32,470 I think I kind of knew what was going on. 149 00:05:32,504 --> 00:05:35,093 So -- So it was -- it was a tough watch. 150 00:05:35,127 --> 00:05:38,096 I really felt for him in -- in this episode, 151 00:05:38,130 --> 00:05:40,063 but, you know, I think Stephanie, 152 00:05:40,098 --> 00:05:42,100 unfortunately, had a job to do. -Yeah. 153 00:05:42,134 --> 00:05:45,310 -And, you know, it's one piece of the much bigger puzzle. 154 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:47,312 -Well, if there's one thing that the show conditions us 155 00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:51,903 as fans to...learn is that anything that seems great 156 00:05:51,937 --> 00:05:56,079 is probably going to kill you or betray you or turn out bad. 157 00:05:56,114 --> 00:05:57,771 Were you suspicious of Stephanie at the start? 158 00:05:57,805 --> 00:05:58,979 -I was. 159 00:05:59,013 --> 00:05:59,876 I was -- I was one of the fans -- 160 00:05:59,911 --> 00:06:01,257 -Not buying the glasses. 161 00:06:01,291 --> 00:06:02,292 -Not -- It was the glasses. 162 00:06:02,327 --> 00:06:04,467 The glasses were -- was the tell, 163 00:06:04,502 --> 00:06:06,711 especially when Max picked up the ice cream earlier, 164 00:06:06,745 --> 00:06:08,126 I was like, "No, no, no, 165 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,886 two people do not have those same glasses. 166 00:06:09,921 --> 00:06:11,474 That -- That is not it. 167 00:06:11,509 --> 00:06:15,720 So yes, I was -- I was suspicious from the beginning, 168 00:06:15,754 --> 00:06:18,723 and so that made it kind of like a slow-moving car crash. 169 00:06:18,757 --> 00:06:20,103 -Right. 170 00:06:20,138 --> 00:06:21,691 -It was -- It was really tough to watch, 171 00:06:21,726 --> 00:06:25,350 but the acting from Josh and Josh -- 172 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:28,077 both Joshes in this episode, and Paola. 173 00:06:28,111 --> 00:06:29,492 It was just so -- It was a beautiful episode. 174 00:06:29,527 --> 00:06:30,907 I loved it. 175 00:06:30,942 --> 00:06:32,875 -Cudlitz, can you talk about directing this episode, 176 00:06:32,909 --> 00:06:33,876 directing Josh? 177 00:06:33,909 --> 00:06:35,464 -No, I can't. -Okay. 178 00:06:35,498 --> 00:06:36,672 -I'm not allowed to. -Thank you for being here. 179 00:06:36,706 --> 00:06:39,053 -That's good. Thank you. 180 00:06:39,088 --> 00:06:40,572 -"Thanks for coming." 181 00:06:40,607 --> 00:06:44,265 -As Josh had said, you know, we've been friends since Day 1 182 00:06:44,300 --> 00:06:46,820 that we both started on the show, 183 00:06:46,854 --> 00:06:50,444 and I -- obviously, Abraham was killed and I moved on. 184 00:06:50,479 --> 00:06:52,446 But I've stayed in contact. 185 00:06:52,481 --> 00:06:53,896 I-I direct over there. 186 00:06:53,930 --> 00:06:56,692 I-I've seen all these guys in conventions over the years, 187 00:06:56,726 --> 00:07:01,662 but I've never really spent a lot of time directing Josh. 188 00:07:01,697 --> 00:07:03,043 The other two episodes that I did -- 189 00:07:03,077 --> 00:07:07,427 or the other I guess three -- he was in one scene, 190 00:07:07,461 --> 00:07:10,878 and I remember, you know, I think the initial episode 191 00:07:10,913 --> 00:07:12,328 that I directed you were in, 192 00:07:12,362 --> 00:07:14,641 you were supposed to be in something as background, 193 00:07:14,675 --> 00:07:16,574 and you wound up getting cut out, I think. 194 00:07:16,608 --> 00:07:19,300 And I was sort of like, "Oh, great, we don't even get that," 195 00:07:19,335 --> 00:07:22,476 and the second time was like, "Okay, one scene. 196 00:07:22,511 --> 00:07:23,822 We can do the best with that." 197 00:07:23,857 --> 00:07:26,307 And then I remember I'd gotten the episode prior. 198 00:07:26,342 --> 00:07:29,103 I knew which one I was gonna do prior to Josh, 199 00:07:29,138 --> 00:07:31,071 and he knew what the storyline was 200 00:07:31,105 --> 00:07:33,073 but he didn't know it was crazy heavy. 201 00:07:33,107 --> 00:07:34,488 I remember calling him up and going, 202 00:07:34,523 --> 00:07:35,869 "Bro, you're all over this thing. 203 00:07:35,903 --> 00:07:37,457 It's just me and you." 204 00:07:37,491 --> 00:07:39,182 And it's like, "What? No, I know there's a thing." 205 00:07:39,217 --> 00:07:41,012 "No, it's like you. It's like your story." 206 00:07:41,046 --> 00:07:42,669 He's like, "Well, I haven't gotten the script yet." 207 00:07:42,703 --> 00:07:45,050 So I think I sent it to you. 208 00:07:45,085 --> 00:07:49,296 I'm not -- I'm not sure, but it was -- I couldn't be happier, 209 00:07:49,330 --> 00:07:51,850 you know, and -- and to work -- to finally have -- 210 00:07:51,885 --> 00:07:53,438 to be able to direct Josh, 211 00:07:53,473 --> 00:07:56,476 'cause if you've seen over the last, you know, 10 years 212 00:07:56,510 --> 00:07:59,306 what the other directors have done to him, 213 00:07:59,340 --> 00:08:03,621 I just thought he needed to be taken care of. 214 00:08:03,655 --> 00:08:05,070 [Both laugh] 215 00:08:05,105 --> 00:08:07,866 -Needed to see -- Needed to see the other side of Eugene. 216 00:08:07,901 --> 00:08:09,212 -He had to come in and Papa Bear me. 217 00:08:09,247 --> 00:08:11,180 -Exactly. [Laughter] 218 00:08:11,214 --> 00:08:13,389 -Well, coming up, we have interviews with the cast, 219 00:08:13,423 --> 00:08:14,666 plus an exclusive sneak peek 220 00:08:14,701 --> 00:08:16,461 of next week's episode of "The Walking Dead," 221 00:08:16,496 --> 00:08:18,670 but first, you mother pus buckets, 222 00:08:18,705 --> 00:08:20,672 let's slow things down and say a final farewell 223 00:08:20,707 --> 00:08:23,088 to all those we've lost tonight. 224 00:08:23,123 --> 00:08:26,402 ♪ 225 00:08:26,436 --> 00:08:28,093 [Walker growling] 226 00:08:28,128 --> 00:08:38,102 ♪ 227 00:08:38,138 --> 00:08:48,079 ♪ 228 00:08:48,113 --> 00:08:58,089 ♪ 229 00:08:58,123 --> 00:09:08,133 ♪ 230 00:09:08,237 --> 00:09:18,178 ♪ 231 00:09:18,212 --> 00:09:24,667 ♪ 232 00:09:26,358 --> 00:09:31,225 ♪ 233 00:09:31,260 --> 00:09:34,850 -The moment Princess walks into Eugene's apartment 234 00:09:34,884 --> 00:09:37,646 and sees what we call the crazy wall 235 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:39,889 with all the information about 236 00:09:39,924 --> 00:09:41,615 what's going on in the Commonwealth, 237 00:09:41,650 --> 00:09:44,687 I think she really starts getting worried about her friend 238 00:09:44,722 --> 00:09:48,104 and his mental health and she wants to help him. 239 00:09:48,139 --> 00:09:49,865 Whatever it is that's bothering him, 240 00:09:49,899 --> 00:09:52,453 Princess is so loyal and helpful to her friends. 241 00:09:52,488 --> 00:09:54,490 She'll do anything for her friends, 242 00:09:54,524 --> 00:09:57,873 but I think she was really like, "My friend is losing it. 243 00:09:57,907 --> 00:10:00,082 What am I going to do?" 244 00:10:00,116 --> 00:10:02,084 I love working with Josh McDermitt. 245 00:10:02,118 --> 00:10:04,120 He's awesome. 246 00:10:04,155 --> 00:10:07,710 Just such a good person and such a great actor 247 00:10:07,745 --> 00:10:12,128 and prepared and kind on set and helpful, 248 00:10:12,163 --> 00:10:15,891 and I love the scenes between Princess and Eugene 249 00:10:15,925 --> 00:10:17,651 because they are so different. 250 00:10:17,686 --> 00:10:19,342 He's always like... 251 00:10:19,377 --> 00:10:21,241 and she's always like, 252 00:10:21,275 --> 00:10:24,106 "Come on, dude, let's go. Let's do it -- now. Go." 253 00:10:24,140 --> 00:10:27,661 And I just love that duo and how different they are 254 00:10:27,696 --> 00:10:29,905 but how they connect somehow. 255 00:10:29,939 --> 00:10:31,527 ♪ 256 00:10:31,561 --> 00:10:33,080 -Welcome back to "Talking Dead". 257 00:10:33,115 --> 00:10:36,049 That was Paola Lázaro on Eugene's crazy wall 258 00:10:36,083 --> 00:10:38,292 and how much she loves working with Josh McDermitt. 259 00:10:38,327 --> 00:10:40,087 We're back with Clarke, Cudlitz, and Josh. 260 00:10:40,122 --> 00:10:41,986 At the break, right after we saw the In Memorium, 261 00:10:42,020 --> 00:10:43,056 Clarke and I were like -- 262 00:10:43,090 --> 00:10:44,920 one of the biggest losses that episode 263 00:10:44,954 --> 00:10:46,438 was watching the novel get burned. 264 00:10:46,473 --> 00:10:48,475 It's like, I don't -- is there a Commonwealth Kinko's? 265 00:10:48,509 --> 00:10:50,028 There's probably not a copy of that. 266 00:10:50,063 --> 00:10:51,892 -It was brutal. -It's just gone. 267 00:10:51,927 --> 00:10:53,307 -It was brutal. -The novel's just gone. 268 00:10:53,342 --> 00:10:57,795 Josh, why do you think Eugene confides in Princess 269 00:10:57,829 --> 00:11:00,383 about his relationship issues? 270 00:11:00,418 --> 00:11:03,421 -I mean, I think they're both outsiders, 271 00:11:03,455 --> 00:11:05,699 and they see that in each other. 272 00:11:05,734 --> 00:11:07,701 You know, they kind of had that connection 273 00:11:07,736 --> 00:11:09,461 immediately after they met. 274 00:11:09,496 --> 00:11:11,498 They were kind of standing in the rain, 275 00:11:11,532 --> 00:11:14,052 and -- and he saw that in her, 276 00:11:14,087 --> 00:11:16,089 when he just said kind of, "Come with us." 277 00:11:16,123 --> 00:11:20,058 And so I think he also kind of trusts women 278 00:11:20,093 --> 00:11:22,509 and the counsel of women. 279 00:11:22,543 --> 00:11:25,477 He just kind of feels more close to -- to women, 280 00:11:25,512 --> 00:11:27,100 and there is someone like -- 281 00:11:27,134 --> 00:11:29,067 you know, he could have gone to Rosita. 282 00:11:29,102 --> 00:11:31,276 But I think there is a bit of a weird history there. 283 00:11:31,311 --> 00:11:32,864 This is not something that he necessarily 284 00:11:32,899 --> 00:11:35,073 wanted to kind of dance around and be like, 285 00:11:35,108 --> 00:11:37,110 "Hey, I'm so excited! I'm in love"! 286 00:11:37,144 --> 00:11:39,319 when he was, like, not too long ago 287 00:11:39,353 --> 00:11:41,286 professing his love for Rosita, 288 00:11:41,321 --> 00:11:44,704 so, it just felt like the right fit, you know? 289 00:11:44,738 --> 00:11:49,087 Even -- She's, like, a tiny bit nuts, Princess, 290 00:11:49,122 --> 00:11:51,089 and I think, you know, there might be, like, 291 00:11:51,124 --> 00:11:53,505 a bit of some information she could give him 292 00:11:53,540 --> 00:11:55,335 that'd be like, "Oh, yeah, that's a great idea. 293 00:11:55,369 --> 00:11:57,682 I'm gonna -- I'm gonna shower her with whatever." 294 00:11:57,717 --> 00:11:58,925 I don't know. 295 00:11:58,959 --> 00:12:00,133 There could have been some weird advice 296 00:12:00,167 --> 00:12:01,444 that he could have run with, 297 00:12:01,479 --> 00:12:03,032 and he would've loved that more than if -- 298 00:12:03,067 --> 00:12:04,689 -But instead, you got a lasagna dish. 299 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:07,588 That's what you got, which I -- -Yeah, you got a lasagna. 300 00:12:07,623 --> 00:12:10,074 -You don't necessarily get a lot of laughs in "Walking Dead," 301 00:12:10,108 --> 00:12:13,077 but I genuinely laughed when he was like, 302 00:12:13,111 --> 00:12:15,217 "Yeah, that's just -- you know, no one's going to turn you away 303 00:12:15,251 --> 00:12:16,321 if you got -- " But there was no lasagna. 304 00:12:16,356 --> 00:12:17,875 Like, oh, what -- what -- 305 00:12:17,909 --> 00:12:20,222 -I think that's -- we're gonna see people all over the world 306 00:12:20,256 --> 00:12:22,051 try that now, just showing up with food 307 00:12:22,086 --> 00:12:23,673 just to see if they can get inside people's homes. 308 00:12:23,708 --> 00:12:25,089 -Yeah, they're gonna be like, "Lift the towel. 309 00:12:25,123 --> 00:12:26,849 I want to look in the Corningware. 310 00:12:26,884 --> 00:12:28,471 Lift the towel. 311 00:12:28,506 --> 00:12:29,887 And there's nothing in there. Get off my property." 312 00:12:29,921 --> 00:12:31,716 -Yeah. 313 00:12:31,751 --> 00:12:37,860 -Clarke, what did you think seeing Eugene and Princess 314 00:12:37,895 --> 00:12:39,689 breaking into the apartment? 315 00:12:39,724 --> 00:12:41,691 Instantly, for me, I was like, "Well, this is a bad idea. 316 00:12:41,726 --> 00:12:43,072 This is probably not gonna be great for her." 317 00:12:43,107 --> 00:12:45,488 -It is my literal nightmare to -- 318 00:12:45,523 --> 00:12:48,491 I have had nightmares about being caught in people's homes 319 00:12:48,526 --> 00:12:50,700 when they are not home... -Right. 320 00:12:50,735 --> 00:12:53,703 -...and -- and so it immediately just made me -- 321 00:12:53,738 --> 00:12:55,084 made my skin crawl. 322 00:12:55,119 --> 00:12:57,500 It was -- It was really, really tough, 323 00:12:57,535 --> 00:13:01,090 but I will say, I loved the scene, you know, 324 00:13:01,125 --> 00:13:03,506 towards the end of that -- of that scene, 325 00:13:03,541 --> 00:13:05,715 where -- where Princess says -- 326 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:07,545 or Eugene says, "But you told me -- 327 00:13:07,579 --> 00:13:08,822 You said, you know, 328 00:13:08,857 --> 00:13:10,479 if a woman says she loves you, believe her." 329 00:13:10,513 --> 00:13:13,275 And it was about that time where Princess just had to say, 330 00:13:13,309 --> 00:13:15,864 "Yeah, dude, but, like, if she breaks up with you, 331 00:13:15,898 --> 00:13:17,175 you also got to believe her." 332 00:13:17,210 --> 00:13:18,280 And I think that's really important 333 00:13:18,314 --> 00:13:20,282 for Eugene, you know, to -- to learn. 334 00:13:20,316 --> 00:13:23,009 That's a tough lesson for all of us to learn, 335 00:13:23,043 --> 00:13:25,528 but there can be two things true at once. 336 00:13:25,563 --> 00:13:28,290 And so it was a really lovely bonding moment 337 00:13:28,324 --> 00:13:29,705 between Princess and Eugene. 338 00:13:29,739 --> 00:13:33,295 -Yeah, he definitely -- it was true 339 00:13:33,329 --> 00:13:35,262 in the fact that for him, it's like, 340 00:13:35,297 --> 00:13:37,299 "Yeah, I hear what you're saying, 341 00:13:37,333 --> 00:13:39,853 but I'm still privy to one piece of information 342 00:13:39,888 --> 00:13:41,199 that you're not 343 00:13:41,234 --> 00:13:43,512 in that I know how it felt," and so that's -- 344 00:13:43,546 --> 00:13:46,032 I think that's really why he was hanging on to it so much. 345 00:13:46,066 --> 00:13:48,862 It's like she's totally right, but so was he. 346 00:13:48,897 --> 00:13:50,864 And kind of like you were saying, Clarke, like, 347 00:13:50,899 --> 00:13:53,039 two things can be true at the same time, 348 00:13:53,073 --> 00:13:55,869 and it's just -- it's just heartbreaking and sad 349 00:13:55,904 --> 00:13:58,458 because the fact is she's not there and he's hurting. 350 00:13:58,492 --> 00:14:02,082 -Yeah, and also, I think Princess is the perfect -- 351 00:14:02,117 --> 00:14:03,912 I want to hear what you think about this, Cudlitz, 352 00:14:03,946 --> 00:14:05,051 but Princess is just -- 353 00:14:05,085 --> 00:14:08,502 she so cutely can appraise a situation 354 00:14:08,537 --> 00:14:11,540 and know exactly what's going on. 355 00:14:11,574 --> 00:14:14,129 We've -- You know, we saw that just a handful of ep-- 356 00:14:14,163 --> 00:14:16,096 not that long ago, you know when they were 357 00:14:16,131 --> 00:14:18,064 kind of locked up and she knew exactly, like, 358 00:14:18,098 --> 00:14:19,859 what the dynamic was of everything. 359 00:14:19,893 --> 00:14:22,275 But what does it mean to you as a director 360 00:14:22,309 --> 00:14:25,105 that Princess is the voice of reason for him? 361 00:14:25,140 --> 00:14:29,696 -Well, usually, Eugene is incredibly, you know, 362 00:14:29,730 --> 00:14:32,492 in a bizarre way, the voice of reason. 363 00:14:32,526 --> 00:14:35,702 He cuts through it all and is sort of laying down the truth, 364 00:14:35,736 --> 00:14:39,464 so for him to go outside for her, 365 00:14:39,499 --> 00:14:41,294 who yes, she does know everything that's going on. 366 00:14:41,328 --> 00:14:44,297 But as -- as Josh was saying a second ago, 367 00:14:44,331 --> 00:14:48,922 she -- she's kind of out there, so to sort of anchor his, 368 00:14:48,957 --> 00:14:51,269 you know, hope of what's going on, 369 00:14:51,304 --> 00:14:53,271 to bounce off of not only a woman 370 00:14:53,306 --> 00:14:57,068 but someone who is kind of skirting on the edge 371 00:14:57,103 --> 00:15:00,071 of this whole thing -- I don't know. 372 00:15:00,106 --> 00:15:04,904 I think he's -- he's -- it's such a wonderful pairing, 373 00:15:04,938 --> 00:15:07,389 you know, to slam them two together 374 00:15:07,423 --> 00:15:10,288 because Eugene would typically be the one 375 00:15:10,323 --> 00:15:11,911 who is laying out the plan. 376 00:15:11,945 --> 00:15:13,326 "This is what we need to do. 377 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,432 This is why we need to do it," and he is doing that. 378 00:15:16,467 --> 00:15:19,090 But he's running a check on him the whole time. 379 00:15:19,125 --> 00:15:21,506 -She's such a good friend. Like, it's so beautiful. 380 00:15:21,541 --> 00:15:23,681 Like, she's such a good friend in every step of the way. 381 00:15:23,715 --> 00:15:25,648 She goes into situations that she's like, 382 00:15:25,683 --> 00:15:27,098 "This is a bad idea, but you're my friend. 383 00:15:27,133 --> 00:15:28,479 I'll do it. 384 00:15:28,513 --> 00:15:29,998 Now I'm gonna be the friend who's honest with you 385 00:15:30,032 --> 00:15:31,275 'cause no one else will be 386 00:15:31,309 --> 00:15:32,517 and you may not be being honest with yourself." 387 00:15:32,552 --> 00:15:33,967 But the board. 388 00:15:34,002 --> 00:15:37,074 Can you -- Can you kind of describe the board 389 00:15:37,108 --> 00:15:38,799 that Eugene creates? 390 00:15:38,834 --> 00:15:40,836 What was it like in person? 391 00:15:40,870 --> 00:15:44,840 -I mean, it's -- it's a rat's nest that I think people -- 392 00:15:44,874 --> 00:15:46,497 when you look at it, 393 00:15:46,531 --> 00:15:48,326 you -- you're just like, "This is nuts," 394 00:15:48,361 --> 00:15:50,501 but to him, it was absolutely clear. 395 00:15:50,535 --> 00:15:53,849 It would be as clear as just lining up your pencils 396 00:15:53,883 --> 00:15:56,300 and your ruler as neat as possible, 397 00:15:56,334 --> 00:15:59,061 but just taking a look at it from any other perspective, 398 00:15:59,096 --> 00:16:00,994 you're just like, "What -- Who is this crazy person 399 00:16:01,029 --> 00:16:02,513 and what is happening?" 400 00:16:02,547 --> 00:16:05,067 You know, but he had just -- he had been picking up clues 401 00:16:05,102 --> 00:16:07,483 along the way, putting it up, keeping everything straight 402 00:16:07,518 --> 00:16:08,726 and then just looking at it 403 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,900 and was able to kind of digest it, 404 00:16:10,935 --> 00:16:15,698 dissect it all at once clearly, and it was so obvious to him. 405 00:16:15,733 --> 00:16:17,424 And that's, I think, part of the frustration 406 00:16:17,459 --> 00:16:20,289 that we're seeing with this guy is that everybody else, 407 00:16:20,324 --> 00:16:23,085 people that he trusts, were starting to question him, 408 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,915 and -- and he's like, "Look, I -- am I crazy? 409 00:16:25,950 --> 00:16:28,297 'Cause I'm -- I'm clearly not. 410 00:16:28,332 --> 00:16:30,817 I see what I see, and you guys don't see it," 411 00:16:30,851 --> 00:16:33,199 so then he starts to not trust other people 412 00:16:33,233 --> 00:16:35,063 that he had previously trusted. 413 00:16:35,097 --> 00:16:37,686 Like, "Hey, you know, are -- are you in this, too?" 414 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,897 Like, it's kind of a giant mind unraveling for him 415 00:16:41,931 --> 00:16:43,692 and not -- not a good thing. 416 00:16:43,726 --> 00:16:45,314 -No, but I -- 417 00:16:45,349 --> 00:16:46,867 and, Clarke, I want to hear what you think about this, 418 00:16:46,902 --> 00:16:48,904 but for me, watching him lay out all that stuff, 419 00:16:48,938 --> 00:16:50,078 I never thought he was crazy 420 00:16:50,112 --> 00:16:52,080 because I'm like, "He's clearly onto -- 421 00:16:52,114 --> 00:16:54,806 like, clearly, something weird is going on, 422 00:16:54,841 --> 00:16:57,257 and, this -- you know, we know in this world and this reality, 423 00:16:57,292 --> 00:16:58,948 these things happen." 424 00:16:58,983 --> 00:17:00,536 Did you see him as, like, a conspiracy theorist, 425 00:17:00,571 --> 00:17:02,090 or you're like, "No, I think he's actually on to something"? 426 00:17:02,124 --> 00:17:05,679 -So once again, two truths, because, you know, 427 00:17:05,714 --> 00:17:08,474 when I saw the board, I was like, "Oh, no, Eugene. 428 00:17:08,510 --> 00:17:11,858 No, no, this is not a good place for you to go, 429 00:17:11,892 --> 00:17:14,895 but on the other hand, I think that it was 430 00:17:14,930 --> 00:17:16,483 Eugene's subconscious saying, like, 431 00:17:16,518 --> 00:17:17,897 "There's something off," 432 00:17:17,933 --> 00:17:20,280 not only about this scenario but the Commonwealth. 433 00:17:20,315 --> 00:17:22,281 -Right. -I think that we as fans, too, 434 00:17:22,317 --> 00:17:25,285 are sort of experiencing, like, "Something's not right here, 435 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:27,493 and I can't quite put my finger on it," 436 00:17:27,529 --> 00:17:30,911 and so whether or not it was necessarily about Stephanie 437 00:17:30,946 --> 00:17:33,500 and the breakup, I do think that his character 438 00:17:33,535 --> 00:17:36,710 was keying into something that even Connie is investigating 439 00:17:36,745 --> 00:17:38,919 sort of, you know, in a mirrored storyline 440 00:17:38,954 --> 00:17:40,266 throughout this episode, too. 441 00:17:40,300 --> 00:17:41,474 Something is off. 442 00:17:41,508 --> 00:17:42,923 We just can figure out what it is. 443 00:17:42,958 --> 00:17:44,718 -We have to take a break, but I do want to talk to you 444 00:17:44,753 --> 00:17:46,099 about later what you think about this idea 445 00:17:46,134 --> 00:17:47,273 there's always this double standard 446 00:17:47,307 --> 00:17:49,275 with our -- our main group of survivors 447 00:17:49,309 --> 00:17:51,898 where we look at them and we go, "Everything they do is fine," 448 00:17:51,932 --> 00:17:54,107 but as Lance points out at the end, like, 449 00:17:54,142 --> 00:17:56,385 "Y'all weren't super honest when you came in, 450 00:17:56,420 --> 00:17:57,697 and that was fine." -That monologue? 451 00:17:57,731 --> 00:17:58,698 We got to talk about it. 452 00:17:58,732 --> 00:18:00,734 -Oh, yeah, of course. 453 00:18:00,769 --> 00:18:03,289 Well, coming up, we have more interviews with the cast, 454 00:18:03,323 --> 00:18:04,497 and later, we have an exclusive sneak peek 455 00:18:04,531 --> 00:18:05,912 of next week's episode of "The Walking Dead." 456 00:18:05,946 --> 00:18:08,121 But first, are you ready to go Inside the Dead? 457 00:18:08,156 --> 00:18:09,916 Here's some inside info from tonight's episode 458 00:18:09,950 --> 00:18:11,262 that you can't get anywhere else. 459 00:18:11,297 --> 00:18:13,092 Please enjoy. 460 00:18:13,126 --> 00:18:23,102 ♪ 461 00:18:23,136 --> 00:18:33,112 ♪ 462 00:18:33,146 --> 00:18:43,122 ♪ 463 00:18:43,156 --> 00:18:53,097 ♪ 464 00:18:53,132 --> 00:19:03,142 ♪ 465 00:19:03,245 --> 00:19:08,285 ♪ 466 00:19:10,183 --> 00:19:14,843 ♪ 467 00:19:14,877 --> 00:19:17,466 -The scene where Mercer takes down 468 00:19:17,501 --> 00:19:20,262 I don't know how many walkers, but a lot of walkers, 469 00:19:20,297 --> 00:19:21,781 was fun to shoot. 470 00:19:21,815 --> 00:19:23,679 And that was the first time 471 00:19:23,714 --> 00:19:28,719 I got to play with the real axes onscreen. 472 00:19:28,753 --> 00:19:32,274 It felt badass, and throughout the day, 473 00:19:32,309 --> 00:19:34,103 I was bloody that whole day. 474 00:19:34,138 --> 00:19:39,108 We shot that, and we shot the scene with Angel and Lauren. 475 00:19:39,143 --> 00:19:41,318 And midway through the scene with Connie and Kelly, 476 00:19:41,352 --> 00:19:43,492 we're about to turn around, and I'm looking at Angel. 477 00:19:43,527 --> 00:19:46,909 I was like, "Girl, I wish I could see you right now, 478 00:19:46,944 --> 00:19:50,672 but this blood is dripping in my eye and my vision is blurry." 479 00:19:50,706 --> 00:19:52,052 [Laughs] 480 00:19:52,087 --> 00:19:54,054 ♪ 481 00:19:54,089 --> 00:19:55,263 -Welcome back to "Talking Dead." 482 00:19:55,297 --> 00:19:57,092 That was Michael James Shaw on the moment 483 00:19:57,126 --> 00:19:59,681 Mercer single-handedly mowed down a group of walkers. 484 00:19:59,715 --> 00:20:02,477 We're back with Clarke and Cudlitz and Josh. 485 00:20:02,511 --> 00:20:05,134 Cudlitz, can you talk about directing the scene 486 00:20:05,169 --> 00:20:07,378 where Mercer kills all the walkers? 487 00:20:07,413 --> 00:20:09,656 -Yeah, this episode itself is not -- 488 00:20:09,691 --> 00:20:11,865 obviously, as everybody has seen -- 489 00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:13,315 does -- is not heavy on the walkers. 490 00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:14,661 -Right. 491 00:20:14,696 --> 00:20:19,010 -But the -- the one sequence we have is just amazing. 492 00:20:19,045 --> 00:20:20,115 -Yeah. 493 00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:23,152 -And I likened it to sort of like -- 494 00:20:23,187 --> 00:20:25,879 we have seen Mercer up to now being the bureaucrat. 495 00:20:25,914 --> 00:20:27,778 We see him sort of doing interviews 496 00:20:27,812 --> 00:20:29,297 and threatening people, 497 00:20:29,331 --> 00:20:33,266 but we've never sort of seen him be full-blown Mercer. 498 00:20:33,301 --> 00:20:36,614 You know, and to go out there, you know, in this sequence 499 00:20:36,649 --> 00:20:39,686 to take out 18 walkers while this guy is struggling, 500 00:20:39,721 --> 00:20:41,654 you sort of realize -- 501 00:20:41,688 --> 00:20:45,278 I-I kept likening it to Abraham at the construction site. 502 00:20:45,313 --> 00:20:47,901 He's just going full-blown, you know, 503 00:20:47,936 --> 00:20:49,869 all in and takes everybody out, 504 00:20:49,903 --> 00:20:51,284 and you hear it in the background 505 00:20:51,319 --> 00:20:53,148 while -- while the walker's coming in on the other -- 506 00:20:53,182 --> 00:20:55,909 you hear this sort of ching, ching, ching in the background. 507 00:20:55,944 --> 00:20:58,118 And you don't really realize what's happening 508 00:20:58,153 --> 00:20:59,879 until you realize that single-handedly, 509 00:20:59,913 --> 00:21:01,570 he has taken out everybody, 510 00:21:01,605 --> 00:21:04,263 and you -- and that's when you really realize 511 00:21:04,297 --> 00:21:07,507 that he is, you know, a force to be reckoned with. 512 00:21:07,542 --> 00:21:10,821 And that to me was the full introduction of him 513 00:21:10,855 --> 00:21:13,479 as the killing machine that he also is 514 00:21:13,513 --> 00:21:16,482 and has become, as well as this incredibly, incredibly, 515 00:21:16,516 --> 00:21:18,311 intelligent and efficient officer. 516 00:21:18,346 --> 00:21:20,486 -Yeah, when we were watching, Clarke and I 517 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,004 had the reaction at the same time. 518 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:24,524 The one split, where the camera is on the walker's head, 519 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:26,043 and it just splits, like, "Oh, that's awesome. 520 00:21:26,077 --> 00:21:27,113 I haven't seen that before." 521 00:21:27,147 --> 00:21:28,528 -Yeah. -That was a great shot. 522 00:21:28,563 --> 00:21:31,600 -Yeah, we had a lot of fun designing that, and -- 523 00:21:31,635 --> 00:21:34,569 because it was one of the only major kills that we see 524 00:21:34,603 --> 00:21:36,122 in this episode, 525 00:21:36,156 --> 00:21:38,124 we wanted it to be something special for the fans. 526 00:21:38,158 --> 00:21:40,885 -Josh, can you describe shooting the scene 527 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,888 where Eugene gets kicked by "Stephanie"? 528 00:21:43,923 --> 00:21:44,924 -[Laughs] 529 00:21:44,958 --> 00:21:47,133 Yeah. 530 00:21:47,167 --> 00:21:51,206 Yeah, I got to give a shout-out to my stunt guy, Danny May. 531 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,898 He's stunted Eugene before many times, 532 00:21:53,933 --> 00:21:55,486 and -- and he's just amazing. 533 00:21:55,521 --> 00:21:59,490 And I was so happy he was there that day because -- 534 00:21:59,525 --> 00:22:01,872 yeah, he -- he beat himself up. 535 00:22:01,906 --> 00:22:03,425 It was awesome 'cause, like -- 536 00:22:03,460 --> 00:22:05,047 So, like, when you're shooting a scene like that, 537 00:22:05,082 --> 00:22:06,048 you never know. 538 00:22:06,083 --> 00:22:08,672 Like, I padded myself up just to be safe, 539 00:22:08,706 --> 00:22:11,882 and we were just kind of going through the motions, 540 00:22:11,916 --> 00:22:15,644 and the woman stunting Stephanie came in 541 00:22:15,679 --> 00:22:17,197 and kind of did the kick. 542 00:22:17,232 --> 00:22:19,441 But her foot came and caught my elbow, 543 00:22:19,476 --> 00:22:22,479 and I was like, "Oh, thank God I have an elbow pad on," 544 00:22:22,513 --> 00:22:25,516 because, you know, that -- that could have done some damage. 545 00:22:25,551 --> 00:22:27,484 And Danny May runs over, and he's like, "Hey, are you okay? 546 00:22:27,518 --> 00:22:28,588 I saw she got your elbow." 547 00:22:28,623 --> 00:22:29,900 I was like, "Yeah, no, I'm good. 548 00:22:29,934 --> 00:22:30,901 I got pads on, but I'm gonna let you 549 00:22:30,935 --> 00:22:32,281 take it the rest of the way." 550 00:22:32,316 --> 00:22:35,699 And then literally, every time he -- he got kicked 551 00:22:35,733 --> 00:22:37,079 and he went down, it wasn't like -- 552 00:22:37,114 --> 00:22:38,840 he didn't go down like that. 553 00:22:38,874 --> 00:22:41,049 He literally, like, went up and this, 554 00:22:41,083 --> 00:22:42,637 and then fell face-first. 555 00:22:42,671 --> 00:22:44,639 It was like a cartoon. I didn't know how he did it. 556 00:22:44,673 --> 00:22:46,261 He did it like five times, 557 00:22:46,295 --> 00:22:47,883 and I just kept saying to Cudlitz, I was like, 558 00:22:47,918 --> 00:22:49,298 "What the -- Who is this guy? 559 00:22:49,333 --> 00:22:51,611 I mean, he's like a superhero," and he just gets up. 560 00:22:51,646 --> 00:22:53,337 He's like, "Yeah, I'm good, I'm good," you know? 561 00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:55,477 These guys, they're just amazing, 562 00:22:55,512 --> 00:22:58,687 our -- our stunt workers, and I love working with them 563 00:22:58,722 --> 00:23:01,103 'cause they make -- they make everybody look good. 564 00:23:01,138 --> 00:23:02,484 -Well, the kick looked amazing, by the way. 565 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:04,590 It all looked amazing in the final -- the final edit. 566 00:23:04,624 --> 00:23:08,904 Clarke, I-I teased this a bit in the last part of the show, 567 00:23:08,939 --> 00:23:11,459 but this idea of Hornsby just coming clean, 568 00:23:11,493 --> 00:23:14,254 just, like, unapologetically, and also the idea 569 00:23:14,289 --> 00:23:17,119 that we've seen this happen before, you know, 570 00:23:17,154 --> 00:23:19,294 particularly with, like, Rick and Negan, 571 00:23:19,328 --> 00:23:21,814 where Negan's like, "You came in and killed a bunch of our -- 572 00:23:21,848 --> 00:23:23,056 Like, why are we the ba-- " 573 00:23:23,091 --> 00:23:24,506 You know, and we always see this. 574 00:23:24,541 --> 00:23:26,094 And again, Hornsby calls them out and goes, like, 575 00:23:26,128 --> 00:23:28,130 "You guys weren't honest with us." 576 00:23:28,165 --> 00:23:30,443 What was your reaction when you saw him 577 00:23:30,478 --> 00:23:31,617 come clean about everything 578 00:23:31,651 --> 00:23:35,034 and then that kind of phenomenon in particular? 579 00:23:35,068 --> 00:23:37,243 -Just, like, this is one of the big through lines 580 00:23:37,277 --> 00:23:38,313 for this entire show. 581 00:23:38,347 --> 00:23:40,073 We as fans always talk about 582 00:23:40,108 --> 00:23:42,248 if you started with the Saviors first 583 00:23:42,282 --> 00:23:45,009 and then we happened upon Rick and his team, 584 00:23:45,044 --> 00:23:47,702 would Rick and his team be the bad guys, right? 585 00:23:47,736 --> 00:23:49,876 -Right. -So I loved this -- 586 00:23:49,911 --> 00:23:52,845 "The Walking Dead" does villains so well, 587 00:23:52,879 --> 00:23:56,469 and I love how Josh Hamilton is playing Lance Hornsby 588 00:23:56,504 --> 00:23:59,679 because he could so easily be playing him 589 00:23:59,714 --> 00:24:03,096 as mustache-twirly or, like, you know, 590 00:24:03,131 --> 00:24:05,892 and yet, he's so matter-of-fact. 591 00:24:05,927 --> 00:24:07,687 I loved that this -- 592 00:24:07,722 --> 00:24:09,793 I was telling -- I was telling Cudlitz 593 00:24:09,827 --> 00:24:11,346 before we started rolling, 594 00:24:11,380 --> 00:24:15,488 this scene was my favorite scene maybe this season so far 595 00:24:15,523 --> 00:24:17,007 because these two together, 596 00:24:17,041 --> 00:24:18,871 it's a really interesting question 597 00:24:18,905 --> 00:24:21,080 that we as fans have to wrestle with, too. 598 00:24:21,114 --> 00:24:22,875 Like, well, these are our heroes, 599 00:24:22,909 --> 00:24:25,464 but is Lance Hornsby wrong? -Right. 600 00:24:25,498 --> 00:24:27,845 I don't think he is in this scene, 601 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,054 and I totally bought when he said, 602 00:24:30,089 --> 00:24:31,884 "Stephanie liked your book 603 00:24:31,918 --> 00:24:34,680 and, you know, I'm sorry your heart got broken. 604 00:24:34,714 --> 00:24:36,095 Now can we move on, please?" 605 00:24:36,129 --> 00:24:38,511 -Yeah. -It -- It was a great scene. 606 00:24:38,546 --> 00:24:40,893 -Yeah, absolutely, and like you said before, 607 00:24:40,927 --> 00:24:42,273 if we'd been following the Commonwealth 608 00:24:42,308 --> 00:24:43,896 since the beginning, we probably would have been like, 609 00:24:43,930 --> 00:24:47,037 "Who are these wacky folks that just came in 610 00:24:47,071 --> 00:24:49,522 lying about stuff and breaking into 611 00:24:49,557 --> 00:24:51,248 people's apartments and sneaking around? 612 00:24:51,282 --> 00:24:52,525 What's going on?" 613 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,700 -I always used to say that if -- if our group -- 614 00:24:54,734 --> 00:24:56,771 when we were the smaller group, if our group 615 00:24:56,805 --> 00:24:58,497 came across our group, we'd kill them. 616 00:24:58,531 --> 00:25:00,119 -Yeah. Yeah, exactly. -Totally. 617 00:25:00,153 --> 00:25:01,983 -Yeah, exactly. Could you trust them? 618 00:25:02,017 --> 00:25:03,260 But then you follow our group, 619 00:25:03,294 --> 00:25:05,089 and you go, "Oh, you can't trust anybody 620 00:25:05,124 --> 00:25:08,127 because everyone is out for something," we find out. 621 00:25:08,161 --> 00:25:09,887 Before we go to break, please make sure 622 00:25:09,922 --> 00:25:12,511 to sign up for AMC+ at amcplus.com 623 00:25:12,545 --> 00:25:15,237 if you want early access to episodes of "The Walking Dead" 624 00:25:15,272 --> 00:25:17,308 and to see a lot of other shows you'll enjoy. 625 00:25:17,343 --> 00:25:18,689 Coming up, we're gonna throw back 626 00:25:18,724 --> 00:25:20,104 to one of the best moments in "Talking Dead" history, 627 00:25:20,139 --> 00:25:21,899 and we have an exclusive sneak peek 628 00:25:21,934 --> 00:25:23,522 of next week's episode of "The Walking Dead." 629 00:25:23,556 --> 00:25:24,902 We'll be right back. 630 00:25:24,937 --> 00:25:32,323 ♪ 631 00:25:33,946 --> 00:25:38,088 ♪ 632 00:25:38,122 --> 00:25:39,641 [Laughter] 633 00:25:39,676 --> 00:25:40,642 -It's time for our next poll question. 634 00:25:40,677 --> 00:25:41,678 Eugene's mullet -- hot or not? 635 00:25:41,712 --> 00:25:43,093 Hot -- it's business in the front, 636 00:25:43,127 --> 00:25:44,301 party in the back, 637 00:25:44,335 --> 00:25:46,890 or not -- that horrible Kentucky waterfall 638 00:25:46,924 --> 00:25:48,201 should not have survived the apocalypse. 639 00:25:48,236 --> 00:25:50,134 [Laughter] -I'm guessing hot. 640 00:25:50,169 --> 00:25:52,620 -Come on, it better be hot. 641 00:25:52,654 --> 00:25:54,035 But -- Not! No! 642 00:25:54,069 --> 00:25:55,933 Come on, America! 643 00:25:55,968 --> 00:25:57,935 What is going on? This is -- 644 00:25:57,970 --> 00:26:00,110 It's hurting my feelings. 645 00:26:00,144 --> 00:26:02,077 -It's -- It's hurting his feeling. 646 00:26:02,112 --> 00:26:05,080 -I'm actually -- I'm actually kind of surprised, actually. 647 00:26:05,115 --> 00:26:07,842 I-I thought America would totally dig the mullet. 648 00:26:07,876 --> 00:26:09,084 But they -- 649 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:09,878 -It's probably 'cause it's on me. 650 00:26:09,913 --> 00:26:11,224 That's what it is. 651 00:26:11,259 --> 00:26:12,985 If it were on someone like John Stamos, 652 00:26:13,019 --> 00:26:14,676 yeah, you want to throw him up there, 653 00:26:14,711 --> 00:26:17,299 Uncle Jesse from "Full House," yeah, "Oh, I love John Stamos." 654 00:26:17,334 --> 00:26:18,300 No, it's on me. 655 00:26:18,335 --> 00:26:19,647 I'm just a giant, fat piece of crap. 656 00:26:19,681 --> 00:26:21,303 That's what you're trying to tell me, is that it? 657 00:26:21,338 --> 00:26:22,650 Okay, great. Thank you, America. 658 00:26:22,684 --> 00:26:25,066 -Why are we mad at poor Stamos all of a sudden? 659 00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:27,655 -I don't know. I just -- 660 00:26:27,689 --> 00:26:29,657 He's just good-looking. -He is. He is. 661 00:26:29,691 --> 00:26:31,693 That -- That is an attractive mullet on that man. 662 00:26:31,728 --> 00:26:34,075 Not -- I'm sorry. 663 00:26:34,109 --> 00:26:36,871 76% of everyone was not a fan of the mullet, 664 00:26:36,905 --> 00:26:37,872 but that doesn't mean they're right. 665 00:26:37,906 --> 00:26:39,632 That's just their opinion, buddy. 666 00:26:39,667 --> 00:26:40,771 What did -- 667 00:26:40,806 --> 00:26:43,084 -He just said he thinks he's pretty hot. 668 00:26:43,118 --> 00:26:44,844 [Laughter] 669 00:26:44,879 --> 00:26:46,674 -Cudlitz -- Cudlitz likes it. 670 00:26:46,708 --> 00:26:47,813 Yeah. 671 00:26:47,847 --> 00:26:50,678 Yeah, get that fire. 672 00:26:50,712 --> 00:26:53,404 -That's why they call him Cuddly Cudlitz. 673 00:26:53,439 --> 00:26:55,096 -Cuddly Cudlitz. -Cuddles. Yeah. 674 00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:56,856 What's your next question, Chris? 675 00:26:56,891 --> 00:26:58,030 [Laughter] 676 00:26:58,064 --> 00:27:00,308 We've switched places. 677 00:27:00,342 --> 00:27:03,276 Like, I was wearing a suit and you were casual, 678 00:27:03,311 --> 00:27:05,520 and now you're wearing a suit and I'm dressed casually. 679 00:27:05,554 --> 00:27:06,659 -Super cas. 680 00:27:06,694 --> 00:27:08,488 -And I think this makes me Gale Anne Hurd, 681 00:27:08,523 --> 00:27:10,214 so I'm absolutely fine with that. 682 00:27:10,249 --> 00:27:11,491 -Absolutely. Absolutely. 683 00:27:11,526 --> 00:27:12,492 Perfect. -There you go. 684 00:27:12,527 --> 00:27:14,287 -This all worked out great. 685 00:27:14,322 --> 00:27:16,704 Josh, do you have a favorite behind-the-scenes-moment 686 00:27:16,738 --> 00:27:18,671 when you and Cudlitz were both on the show? 687 00:27:18,706 --> 00:27:19,879 -Oh, my gosh. 688 00:27:19,914 --> 00:27:22,295 There's...too many to count 689 00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:26,506 and too many to not say on live television. 690 00:27:26,541 --> 00:27:29,302 You know, one of my favorite moments 691 00:27:29,337 --> 00:27:31,891 was honestly, and we've probably talked about it a million times, 692 00:27:31,926 --> 00:27:35,895 but just one of our earliest memories of each other 693 00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:38,311 was we were shooting that scene where we were driving 694 00:27:38,346 --> 00:27:40,003 down the road in the Army truck 695 00:27:40,037 --> 00:27:42,246 and Glenn was in the back with Tara. 696 00:27:42,281 --> 00:27:44,283 And he kind of comes to and says, 697 00:27:44,317 --> 00:27:45,871 "Where are we? I got to find Maggie. 698 00:27:45,905 --> 00:27:47,286 Stop the truck," so we do. 699 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,529 We get out, and then Abraham tries to stop him 700 00:27:49,564 --> 00:27:51,704 and says, "Hey, I'm not gonna let you go. 701 00:27:51,739 --> 00:27:52,981 We can use your help. 702 00:27:53,016 --> 00:27:55,052 You know, these are my traveling companions, 703 00:27:55,087 --> 00:27:57,296 Eugene Porter and Rosita Espinosa," 704 00:27:57,330 --> 00:27:58,469 so he had just, like, a little -- 705 00:27:58,504 --> 00:27:59,781 it wasn't, like, a huge speech. 706 00:27:59,816 --> 00:28:03,716 Just a little bit, and, you know, as it happens, 707 00:28:03,751 --> 00:28:06,512 like, Cudlitz just couldn't get those words out that day. 708 00:28:06,546 --> 00:28:08,721 And this was, like, one of the first days of us working, 709 00:28:08,756 --> 00:28:10,999 and he was just -- it just kept going up on his lines 710 00:28:11,034 --> 00:28:12,414 and being like, "He can't say it." 711 00:28:12,449 --> 00:28:14,175 And we'd get back in the truck and we'd do it again. 712 00:28:14,209 --> 00:28:15,659 He's, like, sitting at the driver's wheel, 713 00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:17,074 and he's, like, going over his lines 714 00:28:17,109 --> 00:28:18,489 and just mumbling them and mumbling them. 715 00:28:18,524 --> 00:28:19,836 And he just couldn't get it right, 716 00:28:19,870 --> 00:28:21,389 and I just turned to him. 717 00:28:21,423 --> 00:28:22,839 and at this point, we still didn't -- 718 00:28:22,873 --> 00:28:24,495 you know, we were still kind of sussing each other out, 719 00:28:24,530 --> 00:28:28,120 you know, and I said, "Man, I wonder what the guy 720 00:28:28,154 --> 00:28:30,294 who didn't get the job's doing right now." 721 00:28:30,329 --> 00:28:31,433 [Laughter] 722 00:28:31,468 --> 00:28:34,713 And he started laughing -- instantly -- 723 00:28:34,747 --> 00:28:36,300 and I was like, "Okay, this guy gets my humor. 724 00:28:36,335 --> 00:28:38,717 We're gonna be okay." 725 00:28:38,751 --> 00:28:41,512 -I needed -- I needed that at that point, actually. 726 00:28:41,547 --> 00:28:44,308 I was sort of like, "Oh, I love this dude." 727 00:28:44,343 --> 00:28:46,483 -You're taking a real swing. You don't know. 728 00:28:46,517 --> 00:28:47,829 -Oh, yeah, no, it was great. 729 00:28:47,864 --> 00:28:50,901 We've had many moments where we've both taken swings 730 00:28:50,936 --> 00:28:52,765 that we didn't know, but -- 731 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,767 -It's -- It's nerve-racking, though... 732 00:28:54,802 --> 00:28:57,287 -Yeah. -...to come into this show. 733 00:28:57,321 --> 00:28:59,082 Even -- Mike, you've been around forever. 734 00:28:59,116 --> 00:29:00,739 It's like you were still kind of like, 735 00:29:00,773 --> 00:29:01,809 "Okay, I just want to make this -- 736 00:29:01,843 --> 00:29:03,086 I want to do this right." 737 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,502 You know, it's like -- I don't know. 738 00:29:05,536 --> 00:29:06,537 I get asked a lot, like, 739 00:29:06,572 --> 00:29:08,056 "Is it bad when you forget a line?" 740 00:29:08,091 --> 00:29:10,093 Like, no, it's really not bad 'cause you just do it again. 741 00:29:10,127 --> 00:29:13,303 It's totally fine, but there was still that moment. 742 00:29:13,337 --> 00:29:14,511 You could see it in your eyes, 743 00:29:14,545 --> 00:29:16,306 just like, "This is my first day." 744 00:29:16,340 --> 00:29:17,790 -Oh, it was Day 1. It was Day 1. 745 00:29:17,825 --> 00:29:21,276 And in my defense or full explanation, 746 00:29:21,311 --> 00:29:23,416 it wasn't just a little chunk. 747 00:29:23,451 --> 00:29:24,901 It was a little chunk I was having trouble with. 748 00:29:24,935 --> 00:29:26,661 It was a six-page scene. 749 00:29:26,695 --> 00:29:28,076 -[Laughs] -So... 750 00:29:28,111 --> 00:29:30,734 [Laughter] -End up working with Steven. 751 00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:32,287 I'm a huge fan of the show. 752 00:29:32,322 --> 00:29:34,738 Steven's my favorite character, and I love him as an actor. 753 00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:38,190 We're doing this whole thing, and total car wreck, same place. 754 00:29:38,224 --> 00:29:39,708 I think at -- at one time, 755 00:29:39,743 --> 00:29:41,089 and we were cruising all the way through it. 756 00:29:41,124 --> 00:29:43,298 And, "These are my traveling companions, 757 00:29:43,333 --> 00:29:46,715 Dr. Eugene Porter and Rosita Esponita." 758 00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:48,062 [Laughs] 759 00:29:48,096 --> 00:29:50,478 Do you remember I called her Rosita Esponita? 760 00:29:50,512 --> 00:29:51,651 [Laughter] 761 00:29:51,686 --> 00:29:53,895 -But it's just a tension breaker, though, 762 00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:56,242 where it's like you still are a human being 763 00:29:56,277 --> 00:29:59,073 who has to somehow get out of your own head 764 00:29:59,107 --> 00:30:01,454 to be in the scene at a moment's notice 765 00:30:01,489 --> 00:30:03,284 when you know that everyone's watching 766 00:30:03,318 --> 00:30:06,114 and depending on you to do that and the pressure of that. 767 00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:07,840 I mean, you need a tension breaker like that. 768 00:30:07,875 --> 00:30:08,876 "This isn't going so great." 769 00:30:08,910 --> 00:30:10,532 -No, it was great, and honestly -- 770 00:30:10,567 --> 00:30:13,432 and it -- and we got it together or I got it together after that 771 00:30:13,466 --> 00:30:14,709 and it did, it went great. 772 00:30:14,743 --> 00:30:16,711 But it was needed. 773 00:30:16,745 --> 00:30:18,713 It was very much needed. 774 00:30:18,747 --> 00:30:20,094 -How do you approach filming 775 00:30:20,128 --> 00:30:24,201 the standoff between Eugene and Hornsby? 776 00:30:24,236 --> 00:30:27,480 -When we looked at the whole episode, 777 00:30:27,515 --> 00:30:30,483 it lends itself to, as -- as Josh was saying earlier, 778 00:30:30,518 --> 00:30:34,867 you know, this sort of really interesting whodunit, you know, 779 00:30:34,902 --> 00:30:37,214 and sort of we get more and more interior into -- 780 00:30:37,249 --> 00:30:39,285 into Eugene's brain as this goes on. 781 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,804 And everything becomes much more personal, 782 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:42,495 and it's like, "What are you looking at?" 783 00:30:42,530 --> 00:30:45,291 You know, every single thing that he sees is, like, 784 00:30:45,326 --> 00:30:48,708 an affront to him, and everything is all about him. 785 00:30:48,743 --> 00:30:51,332 So by the time we get into that confrontation 786 00:30:51,366 --> 00:30:52,989 where he's following them 787 00:30:53,023 --> 00:30:55,508 into the warehouse, the plumbing warehouse, 788 00:30:55,543 --> 00:30:58,511 it's -- we're very much inside of -- of Eugene's head. 789 00:30:58,546 --> 00:30:59,754 -Right. 790 00:30:59,788 --> 00:31:01,963 -And so what I wanted to play with 791 00:31:01,998 --> 00:31:04,863 was that whole idea of status with the two Joshs. 792 00:31:04,897 --> 00:31:08,867 You know, Josh on the stairwell and Eugene down below, 793 00:31:08,901 --> 00:31:12,318 and really just, you know, play with that light 794 00:31:12,353 --> 00:31:15,287 and dark of the source light coming in 795 00:31:15,321 --> 00:31:16,909 and coming in between the truth 796 00:31:16,944 --> 00:31:18,462 and the lies that were being told 797 00:31:18,497 --> 00:31:23,295 and having Josh, Eugene, go just completely fall apart 798 00:31:23,329 --> 00:31:27,092 while Josh... 799 00:31:27,126 --> 00:31:28,231 I can't think of his last name. 800 00:31:28,265 --> 00:31:29,266 -It's McDermitt. 801 00:31:29,301 --> 00:31:31,303 -I want to call him a different name. 802 00:31:31,337 --> 00:31:32,511 It's McDermitt. 803 00:31:32,545 --> 00:31:36,273 Is, you know, very calm, very much in control, 804 00:31:36,308 --> 00:31:40,070 and to see that sort of literally the status change 805 00:31:40,105 --> 00:31:42,417 and shift as he comes down the stairs 806 00:31:42,452 --> 00:31:45,317 until they're on an even plane, and then he walks off 807 00:31:45,351 --> 00:31:47,906 knowing that he's gained complete control 808 00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:51,495 and we're -- and -- and actually kept 809 00:31:51,530 --> 00:31:53,290 complete control the entire time. 810 00:31:53,325 --> 00:31:54,533 And we're left with Eugene, 811 00:31:54,567 --> 00:31:58,123 who is just completely shattered, you know, 812 00:31:58,157 --> 00:32:01,436 because he has given him the truth. 813 00:32:01,471 --> 00:32:04,474 It is literally what we were just talking about a second ago. 814 00:32:04,508 --> 00:32:07,477 It's like, "You guys would have done anything to get in here, 815 00:32:07,511 --> 00:32:09,858 and now you're in here and you're gonna judge me?" 816 00:32:09,893 --> 00:32:11,274 You know, this -- "You're in my house." 817 00:32:11,308 --> 00:32:13,621 -Right. -"So go screw yourself." 818 00:32:13,655 --> 00:32:15,036 -Yeah. 819 00:32:15,071 --> 00:32:16,693 -"Oh, and by the way, you're not a bad writer." 820 00:32:16,727 --> 00:32:18,005 -"Hey, your book was pretty good. 821 00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:19,454 See you later. Sorry about the hearbreak." 822 00:32:19,489 --> 00:32:21,663 Coming up, a fan will join us. 823 00:32:21,698 --> 00:32:22,906 We're gonna have that exclusive peek. 824 00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:24,494 We'll be right back. 825 00:32:24,528 --> 00:32:30,293 ♪ 826 00:32:31,984 --> 00:32:34,849 ♪ 827 00:32:34,883 --> 00:32:35,850 -Welcome back to "Talking Dead." 828 00:32:35,884 --> 00:32:37,438 I want to remind everyone that 829 00:32:37,472 --> 00:32:39,095 if you want to ask a question during "Talking Dead," 830 00:32:39,129 --> 00:32:41,994 please send a video to fansubmission@talkingdead.tv, 831 00:32:42,029 --> 00:32:44,376 share how "The Walking Dead" has impacted your life, 832 00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:46,447 and then hopefully, you can be on the show. 833 00:32:46,481 --> 00:32:48,069 Like right now, it is my pleasure 834 00:32:48,104 --> 00:32:49,484 to introduce this week's featured fan. 835 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:51,900 Please welcome Jennifer from Minneapolis, Minnesota. 836 00:32:51,935 --> 00:32:53,695 Welcome, Jennifer. How are you? 837 00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:54,903 -I'm good. 838 00:32:54,938 --> 00:32:56,077 How are you? -Excellent. 839 00:32:56,112 --> 00:32:57,285 Thank you so much for being here. 840 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,011 Who is your question for? 841 00:32:59,046 --> 00:33:04,292 -My question is for Josh, and I want to know 842 00:33:04,327 --> 00:33:08,296 is there a food that Eugene would have turned away 843 00:33:08,331 --> 00:33:11,506 if Princess didn't claim to have lasagna? 844 00:33:11,541 --> 00:33:13,439 [Laughter] 845 00:33:13,474 --> 00:33:16,373 -Probably vegan lasagna. 846 00:33:16,408 --> 00:33:18,030 -Got it. 847 00:33:18,065 --> 00:33:21,033 -He just -- He's from Texas, and he needs some meat. 848 00:33:21,068 --> 00:33:23,104 [As Eugene] I need some meat in my lasagna. 849 00:33:23,139 --> 00:33:25,037 [Normal voice] Yeah, for sure, vegan -- 850 00:33:25,072 --> 00:33:28,903 I mean, I personally don't have a problem with vegan foods, 851 00:33:28,937 --> 00:33:33,459 but Eugene, for sure, yeah, he's like -- he needs brisket. 852 00:33:33,494 --> 00:33:36,462 -But instead, he got nothing! 853 00:33:36,497 --> 00:33:38,050 He got nothing! 854 00:33:38,085 --> 00:33:39,465 -Instead, he got nothing, man. What's going on with that? 855 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,917 -Got nothing. No lasagna. He got zero lasagna. 856 00:33:42,951 --> 00:33:47,059 Thank you so much, Jennifer, for being here, but -- 857 00:33:47,094 --> 00:33:48,612 Well, before you go, though, I want to -- 858 00:33:48,647 --> 00:33:49,889 I want to show you this, Jennifer. 859 00:33:49,924 --> 00:33:50,890 Hang on a sec. 860 00:33:50,925 --> 00:33:53,928 This is an ice-cream bowl 861 00:33:53,962 --> 00:33:55,171 featuring the Taste of Tradition logo 862 00:33:55,205 --> 00:33:56,689 from the Commonwealth's ice-cream truck. 863 00:33:56,724 --> 00:33:59,899 We gave sweatshirts away last year with this on it, 864 00:33:59,934 --> 00:34:01,832 and I still -- Clarke and I -- Clarke, you have one, 865 00:34:01,867 --> 00:34:02,661 and I wear mine all the time. 866 00:34:02,695 --> 00:34:03,696 This is amazing. 867 00:34:03,731 --> 00:34:05,077 It's got a handle on it! 868 00:34:05,112 --> 00:34:06,285 -Cool! 869 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,459 -Like, this handle blows me away. 870 00:34:07,493 --> 00:34:08,460 This is an ice-cream bowl. 871 00:34:08,494 --> 00:34:12,083 Pick it up at twdushop.com, 872 00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:13,913 and for asking such a great question, Jennifer, 873 00:34:13,947 --> 00:34:15,087 you're gonna go home with one of these. 874 00:34:15,121 --> 00:34:17,226 There's no lasagna in it. -Awesome. 875 00:34:17,262 --> 00:34:19,678 -It's empty, just like the dish that Eugene got. 876 00:34:19,712 --> 00:34:21,507 Thank you so much for being here. 877 00:34:21,542 --> 00:34:23,268 Thanks a lot. -Thank you. 878 00:34:23,302 --> 00:34:25,925 -She's gonna go home with it, but isn't she already at home? 879 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,444 -She's gonna stay at home, and then this -- 880 00:34:27,478 --> 00:34:28,859 -Just gonna stay at home, where she's gonna get one. 881 00:34:28,893 --> 00:34:30,447 -You're gonna stay at home, 882 00:34:30,482 --> 00:34:32,484 where an ice-cream bowl will come to you. 883 00:34:32,518 --> 00:34:34,072 [Laughter] 884 00:34:34,106 --> 00:34:38,661 Josh, why did Eugene bring a spray bottle with him 885 00:34:38,697 --> 00:34:39,697 to fight bad guys? 886 00:34:39,732 --> 00:34:41,079 That's an interesting -- 887 00:34:41,112 --> 00:34:42,942 And it would work in, like, a video game, 888 00:34:42,976 --> 00:34:44,496 like an apocalypse video game. 889 00:34:44,530 --> 00:34:45,911 Like, you could have a spray bottle of something, 890 00:34:45,945 --> 00:34:47,913 but -- but in a real apocalypse, what does -- 891 00:34:47,947 --> 00:34:50,053 what is the spray-bottle play? 892 00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:53,331 -I mean, I think he's already in too much trouble as it is. 893 00:34:53,367 --> 00:34:55,333 He didn't want to kill anyone. 894 00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:57,681 You know, in real life, it was just water, 895 00:34:57,716 --> 00:35:00,270 but, you know, it's some sort of scientific 896 00:35:00,305 --> 00:35:02,893 Eugene-type concoction that he just wanted 897 00:35:02,928 --> 00:35:06,104 to subdue someone if he needed to. 898 00:35:06,138 --> 00:35:08,278 But just, you know, just to kind of get by, 899 00:35:08,313 --> 00:35:09,659 but he actually didn't want to hurt anybody 900 00:35:09,693 --> 00:35:11,074 because he's already been in so much trouble. 901 00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:12,489 You know, he'd get thrown in jail again, 902 00:35:12,524 --> 00:35:14,112 but yeah, I just think he just kind of had 903 00:35:14,146 --> 00:35:15,320 the idea of, like, 904 00:35:15,354 --> 00:35:17,080 as a dog getting up on a couch or something, 905 00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:18,254 he's just spraying it, 906 00:35:18,288 --> 00:35:19,703 like, "Bad dog. Get off the couch." 907 00:35:19,738 --> 00:35:22,120 Like, I think that's what was going through his mind. 908 00:35:22,154 --> 00:35:24,087 -[Imitating spray bottle] "Ah, ah!" 909 00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:26,296 Well, no one wants to get squirted in the eyes with water. 910 00:35:26,331 --> 00:35:28,333 -No. -That wouldn't be a fun thing. 911 00:35:28,367 --> 00:35:29,437 Not lethal, either. 912 00:35:29,472 --> 00:35:31,439 Clarke, what do you think it means that -- 913 00:35:31,474 --> 00:35:33,890 It's very interesting that Tyler got moved 914 00:35:33,924 --> 00:35:37,100 without Mercer's knowledge, so we really feel like 915 00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:39,275 we're beginning to see some of the Commonwealth 916 00:35:39,309 --> 00:35:40,483 start to unravel a little bit. 917 00:35:40,517 --> 00:35:41,691 What -- What do you think that means? 918 00:35:41,725 --> 00:35:43,520 -Yes, well, as Michael pointed out, 919 00:35:43,555 --> 00:35:45,902 you know, we got to see in this episode, like, 920 00:35:45,936 --> 00:35:48,905 killer, powerful soldier Mercer, 921 00:35:48,939 --> 00:35:52,288 and what I was thinking as you were discussing that was, 922 00:35:52,322 --> 00:35:55,946 "Huh, I would not want to piss this guy off." 923 00:35:55,981 --> 00:35:57,914 -Right. -But the question is 924 00:35:57,948 --> 00:36:00,123 where do Mercer's loyalties lie? 925 00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:02,470 How in on the Commonwealth is he? 926 00:36:02,505 --> 00:36:05,404 Right now, it seems like he's kind of all in, 927 00:36:05,439 --> 00:36:08,787 which makes sense, but I don't think he took kindly 928 00:36:08,821 --> 00:36:11,272 to them sort of usurping his authority 929 00:36:11,307 --> 00:36:13,447 or presumed authority by moving Tyler 930 00:36:13,481 --> 00:36:15,690 without his knowledge or consent. 931 00:36:15,725 --> 00:36:17,692 -Yep -So the Commonwealth 932 00:36:17,727 --> 00:36:21,903 might have just made -- started a chain in motion 933 00:36:21,938 --> 00:36:23,457 that was -- is gonna be a mistake. 934 00:36:23,491 --> 00:36:26,494 -Especially after Connie started to burrow into his mind 935 00:36:26,529 --> 00:36:28,703 about this, like, "There's stuff going on 936 00:36:28,738 --> 00:36:30,291 that I think you would not be -- " you know -- 937 00:36:30,326 --> 00:36:31,499 -She -- She also told him, 938 00:36:31,534 --> 00:36:33,294 "Look, one of your best soldiers, 939 00:36:33,329 --> 00:36:35,883 someone who you have recommended for promotion, 940 00:36:35,917 --> 00:36:38,023 someone who you basically are a mentor for, 941 00:36:38,057 --> 00:36:40,474 is an awesome soldier, he disappears, 942 00:36:40,508 --> 00:36:42,061 and you have no idea where he is." 943 00:36:42,096 --> 00:36:43,442 -Yeah. 944 00:36:43,477 --> 00:36:44,892 -That lands with him. 945 00:36:44,926 --> 00:36:47,205 -Yeah, especially following -- like, what follows 946 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,723 and he, "Oh, there is stuff going on 947 00:36:48,758 --> 00:36:50,484 that I don't know about." 948 00:36:50,518 --> 00:36:52,486 Before we go to break, you can be a part of the conversation 949 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,489 by following FearHQ on Twitch, where you can see 950 00:36:55,523 --> 00:36:57,491 wonderful hosts like Clarke Wolfe right over there 951 00:36:57,525 --> 00:37:00,218 discussing all things horror and "The Walking Dead," 952 00:37:00,252 --> 00:37:01,426 so please check it out. 953 00:37:01,460 --> 00:37:03,290 Coming up, we have that exclusive sneak peek 954 00:37:03,324 --> 00:37:04,705 of next week's episode of "The Walking Dead." 955 00:37:04,739 --> 00:37:06,741 We'll be right back. 956 00:37:06,776 --> 00:37:12,920 ♪ 957 00:37:14,542 --> 00:37:17,373 ♪ 958 00:37:17,407 --> 00:37:18,581 -Welcome back to "Talking Dead." 959 00:37:18,615 --> 00:37:20,203 Now it is time for our exclusive sneak peek 960 00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:21,653 of next week's episode of "The Walking Dead." 961 00:37:21,687 --> 00:37:22,757 Check it out. 962 00:37:23,724 --> 00:37:26,278 [Tires screech] 963 00:37:26,313 --> 00:37:29,419 ♪ 964 00:37:29,454 --> 00:37:32,491 [Walkers growling] 965 00:37:32,526 --> 00:37:40,430 ♪ 966 00:37:40,465 --> 00:37:48,093 ♪ 967 00:37:48,127 --> 00:37:55,825 ♪ 968 00:37:55,859 --> 00:37:58,517 [Walkers growling] 969 00:37:58,552 --> 00:38:00,312 [Horse neighs] 970 00:38:00,347 --> 00:38:06,076 ♪ 971 00:38:06,111 --> 00:38:07,492 [Grunting] 972 00:38:07,526 --> 00:38:10,322 ♪ 973 00:38:10,357 --> 00:38:11,668 Daryl: You alright? 974 00:38:11,703 --> 00:38:13,429 [Grunts] 975 00:38:13,463 --> 00:38:15,500 ♪ 976 00:38:15,534 --> 00:38:17,364 At ease. 977 00:38:17,398 --> 00:38:26,096 ♪ 978 00:38:26,131 --> 00:38:28,720 You must be Maggie. 979 00:38:28,754 --> 00:38:31,309 ♪ 980 00:38:31,343 --> 00:38:32,896 -Alright. Sneak peek. 981 00:38:32,931 --> 00:38:33,794 We only have a couple of minutes left 982 00:38:33,828 --> 00:38:35,209 before the end of the show. 983 00:38:35,243 --> 00:38:36,314 Clarke, what do you think of what we just saw? 984 00:38:36,348 --> 00:38:38,695 -Pamela Milton and Maggie together? 985 00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:40,732 Yes. Yas. Yas, queens. 986 00:38:40,766 --> 00:38:42,250 -Josh, what can we expect 987 00:38:42,285 --> 00:38:45,702 from Eugene going forward in Season 11? 988 00:38:45,737 --> 00:38:47,704 -His whole world has just blown up, 989 00:38:47,739 --> 00:38:50,086 and we don't know if we can trust Max. 990 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,295 And he's just trying to pick up the pieces 991 00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:55,056 and see what's left of his life. 992 00:38:55,091 --> 00:38:57,300 -I mean, that's the constant unraveling of this show, 993 00:38:57,335 --> 00:38:59,475 is it's like who's awesome and who sucks? 994 00:38:59,509 --> 00:39:01,684 Like, we don't even know if Lance Hornsby is bad. 995 00:39:01,718 --> 00:39:03,341 We just know that there's a corrupt government. 996 00:39:03,375 --> 00:39:04,687 He's corrupt within it. 997 00:39:04,721 --> 00:39:07,310 He has a side separation that also has corruption in it 998 00:39:07,345 --> 00:39:08,311 and that's corupt, 999 00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:09,519 so it's just like he might be good. 1000 00:39:09,554 --> 00:39:10,831 We don't know. 1001 00:39:10,865 --> 00:39:12,902 We're gonna find out hopefully soon. 1002 00:39:12,936 --> 00:39:14,904 Patrick H. on Facebook wants know, Cudlitz, 1003 00:39:14,938 --> 00:39:17,872 if Abraham and Mercer fought, who would win? 1004 00:39:17,907 --> 00:39:20,116 -Oh, no, they wouldn't fight. 1005 00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:21,117 Everyone would win. 1006 00:39:21,151 --> 00:39:22,808 -[Laughs] -Wow. 1007 00:39:22,843 --> 00:39:24,120 -That's nice. 1008 00:39:24,154 --> 00:39:25,224 -What a beautiful answer. 1009 00:39:25,259 --> 00:39:26,847 -Yeah, that's a really lovely answer. 1010 00:39:26,881 --> 00:39:28,089 That's a very lovely answer. 1011 00:39:28,124 --> 00:39:30,471 [Clears throat] Mercer. -[Laughs] 1012 00:39:30,506 --> 00:39:33,301 -Well, I can't thank you all enough for being here. 1013 00:39:33,336 --> 00:39:34,682 It's so wonderful to see you, Josh McDermitt. 1014 00:39:34,717 --> 00:39:36,270 Again, please let me compliment you on 1015 00:39:36,304 --> 00:39:38,272 an amazing, beautiful performance. 1016 00:39:38,306 --> 00:39:39,653 [Applause] 1017 00:39:39,687 --> 00:39:40,688 -Thank you. 1018 00:39:40,723 --> 00:39:42,276 -And great job directing. 1019 00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:44,002 It's always great to see you, 1020 00:39:44,036 --> 00:39:47,108 that you -- that Abraham might not be around, 1021 00:39:47,143 --> 00:39:48,903 but Michael Cudlitz will forever be 1022 00:39:48,938 --> 00:39:49,697 a part of "The Walking Dead" family, 1023 00:39:49,732 --> 00:39:51,285 so great job tonight. 1024 00:39:51,319 --> 00:39:52,631 And, Clarke, thank you so much for being here, as well. 1025 00:39:52,666 --> 00:39:54,253 Wonderful job. 1026 00:39:54,288 --> 00:39:57,049 Make sure to check out Clarke on FearHQ over on Twitch. 1027 00:39:57,084 --> 00:39:58,465 Next week, we're gonna be joined 1028 00:39:58,499 --> 00:40:00,570 by Ezekiel himself, Khary Payton, 1029 00:40:00,605 --> 00:40:03,193 and super fan and actress Deborah Joy Winans. 1030 00:40:03,228 --> 00:40:04,229 Please stay safe. 1031 00:40:04,263 --> 00:40:05,333 Take care of each other out there. 1032 00:40:05,368 --> 00:40:07,301 I'm Chris Hardwick. Bye-bye, everyone! 1033 00:40:07,335 --> 00:40:17,311 ♪ 1034 00:40:17,345 --> 00:40:27,321 ♪ 1035 00:40:27,355 --> 00:40:37,296 ♪ 1036 00:40:37,331 --> 00:40:47,306 ♪ 1037 00:40:47,341 --> 00:40:51,690 ♪