1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:06,499 --> 00:00:09,082 (upbeat music) 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:17,370 --> 00:00:20,070 - Renaldo & The Loaf's music 5 00:00:20,070 --> 00:00:22,523 is for people that have ears. 6 00:00:23,710 --> 00:00:24,990 - When I discovered Renaldo & The Loaf 7 00:00:24,990 --> 00:00:27,210 it was a real different thing for me. 8 00:00:27,210 --> 00:00:30,980 It kind of broadened my opinion of what could exist 9 00:00:30,980 --> 00:00:32,300 or what was possible. 10 00:00:32,300 --> 00:00:34,300 - When I wanna tell somebody what's it like 11 00:00:34,300 --> 00:00:35,950 listening to Renaldo & The Loaf... 12 00:00:35,950 --> 00:00:37,140 It's like being a baby 13 00:00:37,140 --> 00:00:40,573 and hearing things for the very first time as an adult. 14 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:43,490 - There's a lot of humor there. 15 00:00:43,490 --> 00:00:45,870 I've always found that there's things that they do 16 00:00:45,870 --> 00:00:47,460 that make me chuckle. 17 00:00:47,460 --> 00:00:49,063 - They're just so clever. 18 00:00:50,100 --> 00:00:51,950 - You know, if you're a Streisand fan, 19 00:00:51,950 --> 00:00:54,563 you might not like Renaldo & The Loaf, but who knows? 20 00:00:54,563 --> 00:00:56,582 I mean, I don't know. 21 00:00:56,582 --> 00:00:58,393 It's different. 22 00:00:59,256 --> 00:01:01,839 (music composed of high-pitched voices) 23 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,370 - I have no problem with "weird" as a description, 24 00:01:15,370 --> 00:01:18,830 but a lot of times weird is a way of dismissing something. 25 00:01:18,830 --> 00:01:22,973 - I think the word "eccentric" sort of describes it best. 26 00:01:24,370 --> 00:01:26,520 I couldn't label it with a musical genre. 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,760 I don't think it sounds like anything else. 28 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,680 - There was no limit to anything 29 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,840 it's like whatever they want to do, they did it 30 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,420 and it was like, as far as the creativity, 31 00:01:35,420 --> 00:01:37,720 it was just like everything and anything goes. 32 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,240 - I don't wanna put it in a category that, 33 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,530 oh, it's this kind of music. 34 00:01:42,530 --> 00:01:44,597 To me it's music. 35 00:01:44,597 --> 00:01:47,180 (upbeat music) 36 00:01:52,870 --> 00:01:57,870 - The media is so inundated with so much at this point, 37 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,207 they want things to be pre-digested for them 38 00:02:00,207 --> 00:02:03,510 and the way you pre-digest it is you put it in a category. 39 00:02:03,510 --> 00:02:05,120 The more original something is, 40 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:06,740 the less you can compare it to. 41 00:02:06,740 --> 00:02:08,240 The less you can compare it to, 42 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,950 the less people are gonna take the time 43 00:02:09,950 --> 00:02:11,460 to figure out what it is 44 00:02:11,460 --> 00:02:14,420 and think about it and process it on their own. 45 00:02:14,420 --> 00:02:16,900 - Once you get to listening to them a lot, 46 00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:19,770 it just becomes like, this is the catchiest song. 47 00:02:19,770 --> 00:02:21,530 Why doesn't everybody love this? 48 00:02:22,707 --> 00:02:24,744 ♪ We're in a bar ♪ 49 00:02:24,744 --> 00:02:27,280 ♪ Playing guitar ♪ 50 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,666 ♪ Playing to the clientele ♪ 51 00:02:29,666 --> 00:02:31,160 ♪ If that's what you are ♪ 52 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,460 - I knew nothing about them 53 00:02:32,460 --> 00:02:34,220 and I didn't know who made the music 54 00:02:34,220 --> 00:02:35,860 or anything about their personalities 55 00:02:35,860 --> 00:02:37,630 and I'll be honest 56 00:02:37,630 --> 00:02:41,240 I wondered how people could make such strange music. 57 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,969 - I thought, boy these guys are great 58 00:02:43,969 --> 00:02:45,900 and they're weird and they're embracing it 59 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:48,350 and they know it and that's great. 60 00:02:48,350 --> 00:02:50,147 - The people that would make that kind of music 61 00:02:50,147 --> 00:02:54,150 and the people that would have to be genius enough, I guess, 62 00:02:54,150 --> 00:02:55,250 to make that kind of music 63 00:02:55,250 --> 00:02:57,270 are probably not people that are out socializing 64 00:02:57,270 --> 00:03:00,160 and partying, they're in their rooms doing that stuff. 65 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,400 That's why that stuff is so great. 66 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,890 - It was really extraordinary what they were doing 67 00:03:04,890 --> 00:03:07,330 and then just flabbergasted 68 00:03:07,330 --> 00:03:09,680 that it was coming from Portsmouth. 69 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,730 - They were just this enigma in the city. 70 00:03:13,153 --> 00:03:15,736 (upbeat music) 71 00:03:18,370 --> 00:03:22,850 - No one in my family was musical. 72 00:03:22,850 --> 00:03:27,290 I think when I was about 10 or 11 years old, one Christmas, 73 00:03:27,290 --> 00:03:29,143 I was given the plastic guitar. 74 00:03:30,668 --> 00:03:32,560 (upbeat music) 75 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,529 That kicked it off really. 76 00:03:34,529 --> 00:03:37,112 (upbeat music) 77 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,620 - My dad used to work in Portsmouth Dockyard 78 00:03:42,620 --> 00:03:46,460 and one day he came back with two LPs. 79 00:03:46,460 --> 00:03:49,180 first Tyrannosaurus Rex, "My people were fair." 80 00:03:49,180 --> 00:03:52,483 The other was "Lumpy Gravy" by the Mothers Of Invention. 81 00:03:53,430 --> 00:03:55,840 I preferred the Tyrannosaurus Rex album. 82 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,960 - Tyrannosaurus Rex's music 83 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,050 was like nothing I'd heard before. 84 00:04:01,050 --> 00:04:04,170 The singing was very unusual. 85 00:04:04,170 --> 00:04:06,150 In fact, you needed a lyric sheet 86 00:04:06,150 --> 00:04:08,250 to understand what Marc Bolan was singing. 87 00:04:08,250 --> 00:04:11,013 He had a very distinctive style. 88 00:04:11,013 --> 00:04:13,596 (upbeat music) 89 00:04:18,290 --> 00:04:22,500 - I've known Dave since 1969 or 1970. 90 00:04:22,500 --> 00:04:25,383 So that would be well, do the math. 91 00:04:26,610 --> 00:04:29,890 Can you do the math for me? (Brian laughing) 92 00:04:29,890 --> 00:04:33,620 - I've known Brian for almost 50 years now. 93 00:04:33,620 --> 00:04:37,640 We met at school in the sixth form in the art room. 94 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,880 - I was doing a drawing based on a Tyrannosaurus Rex song 95 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,820 and I think Dave was doing a drawing 96 00:04:44,820 --> 00:04:48,130 based on a Tyrannosaurus Rex album cover or something 97 00:04:48,130 --> 00:04:51,403 and so obviously we spotted this and got chatting. 98 00:04:52,850 --> 00:04:54,909 - [David] Almost immediately 99 00:04:54,909 --> 00:04:56,810 we started playing things together. 100 00:04:56,810 --> 00:04:59,327 - [Brian] We asked our music teacher at school, 101 00:04:59,327 --> 00:05:02,700 "Oh, could you give us some classes to play the guitar?" 102 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:06,400 - [David] We were both interested in folk music at the time. 103 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,500 - I bought a book of folk blues songs 104 00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:11,560 and gave it to the music teacher. 105 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,880 Now he knew how to play all the chords 106 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,880 but he had absolutely no idea what the song sounded like. 107 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,590 So he was playing the blues 108 00:05:19,590 --> 00:05:22,650 as though it was an old English folk song, 109 00:05:22,650 --> 00:05:25,300 which didn't really help us much 110 00:05:25,300 --> 00:05:26,380 and so we decided to, 111 00:05:26,380 --> 00:05:28,050 just to sort of forget that, 112 00:05:28,050 --> 00:05:31,633 we said we'd go off on our own path, which is what we did. 113 00:05:32,913 --> 00:05:37,746 (early lo-fi recording) 114 00:05:42,370 --> 00:05:45,360 - My mom had actually won in a competition, 115 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,630 one of the first cassette recorders 116 00:05:48,630 --> 00:05:53,630 and she gave it to me and we'd set that up with the mic 117 00:05:53,740 --> 00:05:55,793 and record our songs. 118 00:06:04,310 --> 00:06:06,220 We always had the habit of recording, 119 00:06:06,220 --> 00:06:08,410 pretty much everything we did. 120 00:06:08,410 --> 00:06:12,820 So there are cassettes that exist going back to 1970, 121 00:06:12,820 --> 00:06:17,393 going twang in an extremely naive way and singing. 122 00:06:18,235 --> 00:06:20,818 (early lo-fi recording, unintelligible) 123 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,780 We got more dextrous at what we were doing. 124 00:06:33,780 --> 00:06:38,780 - I suppose we've been playing together maybe a year 125 00:06:39,220 --> 00:06:44,031 and the opportunity came to perform at a local youth club. 126 00:06:44,031 --> 00:06:46,614 (experimental music) 127 00:06:51,020 --> 00:06:53,290 We did three performances at this youth club, 128 00:06:53,290 --> 00:06:55,063 which gradually got stranger. 129 00:06:56,430 --> 00:06:58,640 - Each time we were getting more excited 130 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,310 about what we were doing and experimenting 131 00:07:01,310 --> 00:07:05,423 the less the people liked it. (laughing) 132 00:07:09,318 --> 00:07:11,030 - I think my parents were just kind of bemused really. 133 00:07:11,030 --> 00:07:15,430 - My parents never really listened, never really heard it 134 00:07:15,430 --> 00:07:17,720 apart from through the wall or the door 135 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,570 when I was recording. 136 00:07:19,570 --> 00:07:20,423 - Other friends? 137 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,400 I don't think it was their kind of thing really. 138 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:28,537 - Oh, well, that's what you do. 139 00:07:28,537 --> 00:07:29,630 Yes oh, you're our friend. 140 00:07:29,630 --> 00:07:31,110 Yeah it's interesting. 141 00:07:31,110 --> 00:07:33,500 Interesting is a really good word too actually 142 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:34,700 'cause it means nothing. 143 00:07:36,211 --> 00:07:39,290 (ambient guitar music) 144 00:07:39,290 --> 00:07:40,453 - Well, I mean, 145 00:07:40,453 --> 00:07:41,940 there was a period when we didn't play an awful lot. 146 00:07:41,940 --> 00:07:43,330 When Brian was studying architecture, 147 00:07:43,330 --> 00:07:45,690 I was still studying zoology. 148 00:07:45,690 --> 00:07:47,060 - In the intervening period, 149 00:07:47,060 --> 00:07:49,270 we'd been listening to different musics. 150 00:07:49,270 --> 00:07:52,790 I'd been listening to folk and world musics. 151 00:07:52,790 --> 00:07:55,420 - Around that time I discovered Henry Cow. 152 00:07:55,420 --> 00:07:57,410 That was a bit of a revelation for me 153 00:07:57,410 --> 00:08:01,900 that rock music could encompass such a wide spectrum, 154 00:08:01,900 --> 00:08:05,553 from completely free to completely structured. 155 00:08:08,692 --> 00:08:10,200 - And when we got back together afterwards, 156 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,970 so we just got interested just making sounds. 157 00:08:13,970 --> 00:08:15,910 - That's when things started 158 00:08:15,910 --> 00:08:20,910 to kind of morph into a much stranger stuff. 159 00:08:25,588 --> 00:08:27,326 ♪ Here it is ♪ 160 00:08:27,326 --> 00:08:31,693 ♪ Construction of dubious benevolence ♪ 161 00:08:31,693 --> 00:08:35,999 ♪ Moving sloth of Lanton proportion ♪ 162 00:08:35,999 --> 00:08:39,810 ♪ Just what you needed ♪ 163 00:08:39,810 --> 00:08:43,700 - I know it's organic, but I don't understand how they, 164 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:45,010 I know they used tape loops, 165 00:08:45,010 --> 00:08:46,710 but I still don't really understand 166 00:08:46,710 --> 00:08:48,213 how they got their sound. 167 00:08:49,319 --> 00:08:52,486 ♪ A different theater ♪ 168 00:08:54,010 --> 00:08:57,860 - I wouldn't say that I played any instrument well really. 169 00:08:57,860 --> 00:09:00,590 - [Brian] Basically we just started preparing guitar 170 00:09:00,590 --> 00:09:03,230 and playing guitars in different ways. 171 00:09:03,230 --> 00:09:07,360 - I saw the guitar then as a device for making sound with 172 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,329 rather than as an instrument as such. 173 00:09:10,329 --> 00:09:12,912 (prepared guitar music) 174 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,080 - We would grab whatever 175 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,610 and I don't know if I'd use the word abuse the instruments 176 00:09:23,610 --> 00:09:27,261 but... think laterally with them. 177 00:09:27,261 --> 00:09:29,844 (upbeat music) 178 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,000 - We liked the sound of synthesizer. 179 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,240 We couldn't afford one. 180 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:42,020 So we tried to make the sounds like synthesizers 181 00:09:42,020 --> 00:09:46,600 using guitars, tape effects and so on, speeding things up, 182 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,520 slowing them down, that kind of thing, 183 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:49,713 running them backwards. 184 00:09:50,694 --> 00:09:53,277 (experimental music) 185 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:56,953 - If you went in there, 186 00:09:56,953 --> 00:09:59,430 there'd be all these various instruments, 187 00:09:59,430 --> 00:10:01,690 but not state of the art instruments. 188 00:10:01,690 --> 00:10:04,350 They had a couple of tape recorders I seem to remember. 189 00:10:04,350 --> 00:10:07,220 Some guitars and some... combs 190 00:10:07,220 --> 00:10:12,220 and some remember rulers that used to go "boing"? 191 00:10:12,271 --> 00:10:13,104 things like that 192 00:10:13,104 --> 00:10:14,107 and they'd record them and play them backwards 193 00:10:14,107 --> 00:10:15,493 and all this sort of stuff. 194 00:10:16,637 --> 00:10:19,440 (ambient experimental music) 195 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,950 - We developed our sort of sound vocabulary in that period, 196 00:10:23,950 --> 00:10:25,900 just by improvising. 197 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:27,550 - We were always trying to push 198 00:10:27,550 --> 00:10:30,170 what the equipment was supposed to do. 199 00:10:30,170 --> 00:10:32,460 We'd think of, well, what if you did this? 200 00:10:32,460 --> 00:10:34,170 It's not really designed to do that, 201 00:10:34,170 --> 00:10:37,000 but if we took the output of this and put it into there 202 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,740 and then fed it back round, what would that do? 203 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:42,040 - I don't actually ever feel 204 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,880 that we ever deliberately wanted 205 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,970 to be weird or do weird. 206 00:10:45,970 --> 00:10:48,380 What people called weird 207 00:10:48,380 --> 00:10:52,140 is the stuff that actually gave us the excitement 208 00:10:52,140 --> 00:10:53,660 to do what we do. 209 00:10:53,660 --> 00:10:57,333 We just didn't want to do the boring stuff. 210 00:10:58,230 --> 00:11:01,410 I think we would see ourselves more as Surrealists 211 00:11:01,410 --> 00:11:05,400 and Dadaists, if you like, than anything 212 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,500 and so we weren't scared by these odd things 213 00:11:08,500 --> 00:11:09,900 that we were coming up with. 214 00:11:10,740 --> 00:11:13,593 We're very open to whatever happened. 215 00:11:14,988 --> 00:11:17,820 (experimental music, "Duo Dance") 216 00:11:17,820 --> 00:11:22,023 - Well all their music was produced out of Dave's bedroom. 217 00:11:24,570 --> 00:11:26,900 - I used to live just around the corner from Dave. 218 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:29,270 I'd come round with guitar and whatever 219 00:11:29,270 --> 00:11:32,230 and trundling actually a tape recorder. 220 00:11:32,230 --> 00:11:34,420 Dave was getting a lot more into the idea 221 00:11:34,420 --> 00:11:36,140 of making tape loops. 222 00:11:36,140 --> 00:11:40,290 - Just record some sounds onto length of tape. 223 00:11:40,290 --> 00:11:41,670 - Certainly for making the loops, 224 00:11:41,670 --> 00:11:44,100 you would have to be extremely dextrous, like a surgeon, 225 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:46,010 cutting tape up with a scalpel. 226 00:11:46,010 --> 00:11:47,830 - Finding where the sound started, 227 00:11:47,830 --> 00:11:50,663 cut them out and then splice them all together. 228 00:11:51,792 --> 00:11:54,375 (looped piano music) 229 00:12:04,390 --> 00:12:06,050 - Literally, we wouldn't say anything. 230 00:12:06,050 --> 00:12:09,210 We just sit down with instruments 231 00:12:09,210 --> 00:12:13,595 and just start playing along to it, improvising. 232 00:12:13,595 --> 00:12:18,595 (looped music with instrumental improvisations) 233 00:12:25,470 --> 00:12:29,680 - We worked Saturday afternoon have a break for tea 234 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:32,840 and then we work on into the evening till maybe nine o'clock 235 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,020 at the latest, then we'd adjourn to the pub. 236 00:12:35,020 --> 00:12:36,740 - It's like you were playing in a football team, 237 00:12:36,740 --> 00:12:37,800 you're sort of like, oh yeah, 238 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,620 well we do training on a Tuesday 239 00:12:39,620 --> 00:12:41,320 and you're gonna play on Saturday. 240 00:12:43,185 --> 00:12:45,853 It became a habit and we just kept to it. 241 00:12:47,058 --> 00:12:49,860 (upbeat music) 242 00:12:49,860 --> 00:12:53,210 Eventually there was one particular Thursday afternoon 243 00:12:53,210 --> 00:12:57,040 where these improvisations almost created a structure 244 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,183 a bit like a song. 245 00:13:00,089 --> 00:13:01,310 (experimental music) 246 00:13:01,310 --> 00:13:04,780 - So we recorded it and then we did some overdubs. 247 00:13:04,780 --> 00:13:09,780 - We then sent a tape off to an independent record label 248 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,880 called Raw Records in Cambridge 249 00:13:14,431 --> 00:13:16,273 and we got a very positive response. 250 00:13:17,611 --> 00:13:19,580 (upbeat music) 251 00:13:19,580 --> 00:13:22,970 - That record deal fell through 252 00:13:22,970 --> 00:13:26,530 but someone who had found the music interesting enough 253 00:13:26,530 --> 00:13:30,633 to consider that it was worth putting out as a record. 254 00:13:31,683 --> 00:13:34,266 (looped triangle music) 255 00:13:46,670 --> 00:13:50,040 - It wasn't like, "Oh, hey, we wanna make this our career." 256 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,030 It was just like, "Oh, well we've got this record." 257 00:13:52,030 --> 00:13:56,650 It would be pretty neat if we could get it released somehow 258 00:13:56,650 --> 00:13:59,773 and so we went to meet a couple of A&R people. 259 00:14:01,028 --> 00:14:04,370 We went to Virgin and Rough Trade. 260 00:14:04,370 --> 00:14:05,582 "Well, you know, 261 00:14:05,582 --> 00:14:06,920 "you've got some really interesting ideas and sounds 262 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:07,890 "going on here." 263 00:14:07,890 --> 00:14:10,980 - "But you need to kind of condense them more. 264 00:14:10,980 --> 00:14:15,540 "You need to make each piece more interesting." 265 00:14:15,540 --> 00:14:16,950 - [Brian] "Collide them together 266 00:14:16,950 --> 00:14:19,500 "and go and buy yourself a decent tape recorder." 267 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:21,792 - This is when the idea of producing 268 00:14:21,792 --> 00:14:24,590 a do-it-yourself cassette came about. 269 00:14:24,590 --> 00:14:28,180 - And so we went and got the four track tape recorder 270 00:14:29,630 --> 00:14:32,270 and then started recording the songs 271 00:14:32,270 --> 00:14:35,210 which became "Struvé & Sneff" 272 00:14:35,210 --> 00:14:38,051 and decided to call ourselves Renaldo & The Loaf. 273 00:14:38,051 --> 00:14:39,934 (music fading in) 274 00:14:53,814 --> 00:14:54,647 (dice rolling) 275 00:14:54,647 --> 00:14:55,800 - We used to go out on a Friday night 276 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,850 for what we called Dice Nights, 277 00:14:57,850 --> 00:14:59,537 which were based on a book called 278 00:14:59,537 --> 00:15:02,870 "The Dice Man" in which the main character 279 00:15:02,870 --> 00:15:05,283 made all his decisions on the roll of the dice. 280 00:15:06,630 --> 00:15:08,090 We would decide where we went, 281 00:15:08,090 --> 00:15:09,857 what we wore and what we would do 282 00:15:09,857 --> 00:15:12,060 and we got wherever we were going. 283 00:15:12,060 --> 00:15:14,130 We'd do it all on the roll of the dice. 284 00:15:14,130 --> 00:15:17,620 - Each of the people that went on the dice evenings 285 00:15:17,620 --> 00:15:19,143 had to have a dice name. 286 00:15:20,510 --> 00:15:22,900 - [David] Someone had christened Brian "Renaldo." 287 00:15:22,900 --> 00:15:27,390 - Neither of us actually know why I got that name at all. 288 00:15:27,390 --> 00:15:30,270 - And I'd been christened Ted The Loaf. 289 00:15:30,270 --> 00:15:32,970 - Ted, because at the time he had a big bushy beard, 290 00:15:32,970 --> 00:15:34,890 which made him look a little bit like a Teddy bear 291 00:15:34,890 --> 00:15:36,000 apparently. 292 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,930 - The Loaf bit is Cockney rhyming slang, 293 00:15:38,930 --> 00:15:41,593 the Cockney rhyming slang, loaf of bread, head. 294 00:15:42,590 --> 00:15:44,890 So someone who can use their loaf 295 00:15:44,890 --> 00:15:48,400 is considered to be intelligent, brainy, whatever. 296 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,260 While we were kicking around ideas for a name 297 00:15:51,260 --> 00:15:54,470 one of us said why not Renaldo & The Loaf? 298 00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:57,747 And we decided, yeah, well, why not? 299 00:15:57,747 --> 00:15:59,975 And that kind of stuck. 300 00:15:59,975 --> 00:16:02,558 (guitar music) 301 00:16:06,460 --> 00:16:08,810 - We were under no illusions about what we were doing. 302 00:16:08,810 --> 00:16:11,040 I mean, we weren't trying to be a commercial 303 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,940 or successful band or anything. 304 00:16:12,940 --> 00:16:15,410 - The idea of making a career out of music 305 00:16:15,410 --> 00:16:18,027 never entered our heads at the time. 306 00:16:18,027 --> 00:16:21,300 - And we were two like-minded people 307 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:24,380 who were almost indulging ourselves 308 00:16:24,380 --> 00:16:29,380 in this creation as a form of art if you like. 309 00:16:29,993 --> 00:16:32,576 (upbeat music) 310 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:54,873 It's quite strange 311 00:16:54,873 --> 00:16:58,520 we did the vast majority of our most creative work 312 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,030 in a complete bubble. 313 00:17:00,030 --> 00:17:04,480 We were in a bubble of just us and very few select friends, 314 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,370 the dice friends, of course, 315 00:17:06,370 --> 00:17:11,370 as more people got to hear this stuff, we realized that, 316 00:17:11,730 --> 00:17:12,750 oh, well actually, 317 00:17:12,750 --> 00:17:14,740 you know what we have been making 318 00:17:14,740 --> 00:17:17,660 and are making now does have some appeal 319 00:17:17,660 --> 00:17:19,193 outside of our own bubble. 320 00:17:20,424 --> 00:17:23,007 (upbeat music) 321 00:17:24,350 --> 00:17:26,470 - Ralph Records was the coolest label ever period. 322 00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:30,130 - Ralph originally was started by The Residents. 323 00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:32,620 - It was an in-house record label 324 00:17:32,620 --> 00:17:34,630 that The Residents set up 325 00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:36,130 in order to put out their own records 326 00:17:36,130 --> 00:17:37,770 'cause no one else wanted to. 327 00:17:37,770 --> 00:17:39,850 - The Residents had started making these records 328 00:17:39,850 --> 00:17:43,053 and they didn't really have a concept of selling. 329 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,303 They're not really the business people. 330 00:17:45,303 --> 00:17:46,860 They just want to do the art 331 00:17:46,860 --> 00:17:50,007 and then like move to the next project. 332 00:17:50,007 --> 00:17:52,590 (upbeat music) 333 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:00,150 - I first heard of The Residents. 334 00:18:00,150 --> 00:18:02,330 I think probably Dave introduced me to them. 335 00:18:02,330 --> 00:18:04,240 - From what we could tell 336 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,020 from the albums we were listening to, 337 00:18:06,020 --> 00:18:08,900 they weren't super competent musicians, 338 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:10,930 but they didn't let that stand in their way 339 00:18:10,930 --> 00:18:13,309 of producing interesting music. 340 00:18:13,309 --> 00:18:15,870 (upbeat music) 341 00:18:15,870 --> 00:18:17,180 - The Residents couldn't play, 342 00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:19,320 they couldn't play worth a shit 343 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:24,320 but they always felt like they could layer things 344 00:18:24,430 --> 00:18:26,610 on top of each other, one track after another, 345 00:18:26,610 --> 00:18:31,250 after another and create something that then had value 346 00:18:31,250 --> 00:18:32,420 and interest. 347 00:18:32,420 --> 00:18:35,920 - Pretty much music was dominated by people who could play 348 00:18:36,930 --> 00:18:38,730 and that makes logical sense 349 00:18:38,730 --> 00:18:43,730 but it also leaves an area of unexplored sound possibilities 350 00:18:46,380 --> 00:18:48,670 for people who can't play. 351 00:18:48,670 --> 00:18:51,040 - What The Residents did for us 352 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,500 was give us the confidence to know that in the world, 353 00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:59,170 there was a band making proper albums 354 00:18:59,170 --> 00:19:02,650 that were odd sounding, interesting sounding, 355 00:19:02,650 --> 00:19:04,680 exciting to us 356 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,900 and that gave us the fuel, if you like, 357 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:11,000 to really move us forward. 358 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,910 - You know, The Residents were actually doing fairly well 359 00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:18,450 in terms of finances, record sales at that point. 360 00:19:18,450 --> 00:19:21,250 When "Eskimo", for instance, came out, 361 00:19:21,250 --> 00:19:25,270 we drop shipped from the factory 10,000 records 362 00:19:26,774 --> 00:19:27,750 like that 363 00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:30,210 and then another 10,000 went fairly quickly. 364 00:19:30,210 --> 00:19:34,250 We thought, okay, we will sign more "commercial" groups 365 00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:37,120 and then ultimately that will then become 366 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:38,710 the financial backing 367 00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:41,680 that allows The Residents to maintain their position 368 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,150 as The Residents. 369 00:19:43,150 --> 00:19:47,580 - Now, Ralph was not just any record label, 370 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:49,200 certainly not like the big ones at all. 371 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,800 They're just like a bunch of really hugely creative people. 372 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,440 - I don't know, five, six people.- 373 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,600 - Who just happened to make records 374 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,340 and do the mail-order. 375 00:20:02,340 --> 00:20:03,980 - Helping with the mail order, 376 00:20:03,980 --> 00:20:07,660 doing whatever needed to be done there. 377 00:20:07,660 --> 00:20:10,100 - Cleaning the cat box. (laughs) 378 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:13,830 - Everybody in the building was just so sharp 379 00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:17,270 and so funny. 380 00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:20,190 - It was kind of a playpen for adults. 381 00:20:20,190 --> 00:20:22,350 - Ralph Records was a family. 382 00:20:22,350 --> 00:20:24,500 Everybody in it was part of this family. 383 00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:29,500 - We all did very much care for one another as humans 384 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,414 and I think that's what really made it work too. 385 00:20:32,414 --> 00:20:34,997 (upbeat music) 386 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:42,043 - We made "Struvé & Sneff" the tape in September 1979. 387 00:20:44,104 --> 00:20:46,570 It so happened that I was due to go 388 00:20:46,570 --> 00:20:49,360 on a fly-drive holiday with some friends 389 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:51,740 to the West coast of America 390 00:20:51,740 --> 00:20:53,043 at the end of September. 391 00:20:54,136 --> 00:20:56,719 (upbeat music) 392 00:20:59,390 --> 00:21:01,540 - He always said this, "Well, if I get chance, 393 00:21:01,540 --> 00:21:05,270 "I want to go to 444 Grove street," 394 00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:08,290 which was where The Residents were based at the time. 395 00:21:08,290 --> 00:21:11,240 - So I rang them up and they said, "Yeah, sure, come along." 396 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,420 Apparently I was allowed to get in 397 00:21:13,420 --> 00:21:16,330 because I had a British accent 398 00:21:16,330 --> 00:21:19,430 and I'd actually come all the way over to San Francisco, 399 00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:20,263 et cetera 400 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,440 and I said, "This is our tape. 401 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,123 "We just done. 402 00:21:25,123 --> 00:21:28,327 "I would like to give a copy to Ralph Records." 403 00:21:28,327 --> 00:21:31,330 And the guy said, "Oh, well, yeah, 404 00:21:31,330 --> 00:21:34,080 "I'll listen to a little bit now." 405 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,050 So he went off into a glass fronted booth 406 00:21:37,050 --> 00:21:40,330 at the back of the space and sat there 407 00:21:40,330 --> 00:21:41,950 and I think he must've probably listened 408 00:21:41,950 --> 00:21:44,100 to, say, three tracks, something like that. 409 00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:48,080 - Literally Ralph Records would receive 410 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,933 hundreds of demo cassettes. 411 00:21:53,910 --> 00:21:57,200 You know they came in on a daily basis 412 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,930 and the reality was that there were too many of them 413 00:21:59,930 --> 00:22:00,980 to ever listen to, 414 00:22:00,980 --> 00:22:03,320 but for whatever reason, and at this point, 415 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,690 I really don't know what that reason was. 416 00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:10,450 Somehow I was attracted to Renaldo & The Loaf's cassette. 417 00:22:10,450 --> 00:22:14,430 - And he said, "Oh," he said, "this is excellent." 418 00:22:14,430 --> 00:22:18,660 I know, thank you. (Brian laughs) 419 00:22:18,660 --> 00:22:20,420 He said, "Have you got any more material?" 420 00:22:20,420 --> 00:22:23,220 and I say, "Well oh I'll send you some more stuff, sure." 421 00:22:25,330 --> 00:22:26,610 - It was called to my attention 422 00:22:26,610 --> 00:22:30,830 by the A&R guy at Ralph, Hardy Fox 423 00:22:30,830 --> 00:22:33,330 and he said, "Hey man, come listen to this." 424 00:22:33,330 --> 00:22:36,680 And I did, and it hit me right away. 425 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,270 - I was very taken by it. 426 00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:41,090 - He put it on for a minute and I'm like, 427 00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:42,800 "that's very interesting." 428 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,140 - They were extremely original, 429 00:22:45,140 --> 00:22:48,830 did not play by the rules, and did very interesting 430 00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:50,123 and entertaining stuff. 431 00:22:51,251 --> 00:22:53,834 (upbeat music) 432 00:22:57,911 --> 00:22:59,590 - I think it was in June 1980, 433 00:22:59,590 --> 00:23:02,710 that letter just arrived completely out of the blue 434 00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:03,630 and said, look, you know, 435 00:23:03,630 --> 00:23:05,510 we've really been enjoying your music. 436 00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:06,860 It's not that commercial, 437 00:23:06,860 --> 00:23:09,250 but we'd really like to put an album out by you 438 00:23:09,250 --> 00:23:11,876 and that floated us completely. 439 00:23:11,876 --> 00:23:13,110 (upbeat music) 440 00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:15,620 - It was weird because we used to have these fantasies 441 00:23:15,620 --> 00:23:17,467 about things that might happen. 442 00:23:17,467 --> 00:23:21,810 One of the fantasies was taking the tape to Ralph Records 443 00:23:21,810 --> 00:23:24,720 they'd liked it and we got signed to the label. 444 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,849 That's something we ever thought would happen. 445 00:23:27,849 --> 00:23:29,610 - It was the label in the world 446 00:23:29,610 --> 00:23:34,280 that perhaps we would ever dream of recording for. 447 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:39,063 - For it to actually happen was just a bit stunning really. 448 00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:44,950 It was a huge stroke of luck. 449 00:23:45,866 --> 00:23:48,449 (upbeat music) 450 00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:56,080 - It must've been a great leap of faith 451 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,450 as making any decision 452 00:23:58,450 --> 00:24:01,110 in a tiny little record company is, 453 00:24:01,110 --> 00:24:04,400 but that just spoke to the artistry 454 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,360 and the people who Brian and Dave were. 455 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:10,024 - When they signed us 456 00:24:10,024 --> 00:24:12,730 they were starting to sign other acts. 457 00:24:12,730 --> 00:24:14,733 They were kind of expanding as a label then. 458 00:24:14,733 --> 00:24:15,950 - Because we were starting 459 00:24:15,950 --> 00:24:18,490 to sell The Residents successfully. 460 00:24:18,490 --> 00:24:21,210 It only made sense that we could sell other people, 461 00:24:21,210 --> 00:24:25,020 which was completely wrong, but that was the idea. 462 00:24:25,020 --> 00:24:27,420 - They were maybe 10 or 12 different artists. 463 00:24:27,420 --> 00:24:29,750 - You know including like Art Bears, Fred Frith, 464 00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:33,710 Yello, Snakefinger, MX-80, Tuxedomoon, 465 00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:35,260 Renaldo & The Loaf. 466 00:24:35,260 --> 00:24:39,610 - The hope was that these people would sell in numbers 467 00:24:39,610 --> 00:24:43,190 exceeding The Residents and consequently bring in enough 468 00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:46,450 money to keep the label going and keep The Residents 469 00:24:46,450 --> 00:24:48,680 doing their own eccentric weird stuff. 470 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,980 There was greater hope 471 00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:53,630 or expectation towards other groups 472 00:24:53,630 --> 00:24:56,790 like MX-80 or Tuxedomoon or Snakefinger 473 00:24:56,790 --> 00:24:59,950 who were, you know, ostensibly more commercial. 474 00:24:59,950 --> 00:25:02,740 - They did however have commercial appeal 475 00:25:02,740 --> 00:25:07,280 with respect to the Ralph Record's target audience. 476 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,943 Which was one of very esoteric taste. 477 00:25:15,150 --> 00:25:18,657 - We sat with Jay Clem when we were actually on the, 478 00:25:18,657 --> 00:25:22,170 you know, signing the contracts and things like that. 479 00:25:22,170 --> 00:25:24,464 and the question came up about, you know, 480 00:25:24,464 --> 00:25:26,060 "are you gonna want us 481 00:25:26,060 --> 00:25:28,640 "to make certain kinds of music for you?" 482 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,180 And he said, "well, no, you do what you feel." 483 00:25:32,180 --> 00:25:37,160 - The expectation of our artists were to keep doing the same 484 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,890 creative things that caught them to our attention 485 00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:41,150 in the first place. 486 00:25:41,150 --> 00:25:42,410 - Do what you do 487 00:25:42,410 --> 00:25:46,070 and we'll try to exploit it the best we can. 488 00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:48,590 - We had a complete free hand 489 00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:51,140 to record whatever we wanted, 490 00:25:51,140 --> 00:25:54,160 as long as it wasn't 40 minutes of dog farts. 491 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,020 - 40 minutes of what? 492 00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:57,789 - Did I say something about dog farts? 493 00:25:57,789 --> 00:25:58,970 (Sheenah laughing) 494 00:25:58,970 --> 00:26:00,650 - The phrase he used was like, 495 00:26:00,650 --> 00:26:04,864 "as long as it wasn't 40 minutes of dog farts on a record 496 00:26:04,864 --> 00:26:07,200 "we'll be quite happy." 497 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,710 - Okay well. 498 00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:11,320 - Okay, that would exactly be a parameter 499 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,060 that Jay Clem would set. 500 00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:15,280 - If Brian and Dave would have submitted 501 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,300 40 minutes of dog farts. 502 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:20,100 I assume it would have been done in a creative 503 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:21,630 and humorous manner 504 00:26:21,630 --> 00:26:24,598 and therefore would have been acceptable. 505 00:26:24,598 --> 00:26:26,920 (Tom laughs) 506 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,639 - So there was no pressure. (Brian laughing) 507 00:26:29,639 --> 00:26:32,222 (upbeat music) 508 00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:39,420 The stuff that obviously we'd been sending them 509 00:26:39,420 --> 00:26:42,440 became with the tracks for "Larvae" 510 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,094 and the thing was put together over the next few months. 511 00:26:47,094 --> 00:26:49,677 (upbeat music) 512 00:27:01,686 --> 00:27:03,610 - I think when "Songs For Swinging Larvae" came out 513 00:27:03,610 --> 00:27:05,200 we were very excited about it. 514 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,600 The fact that there was a proper release 515 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,683 as opposed to a home grown, do it yourself cassette. 516 00:27:12,050 --> 00:27:15,700 - What Ralph did they sent us updates of what was going on. 517 00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:17,840 Like they caught a lot of college play lists 518 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,627 where they highlighted, 519 00:27:19,627 --> 00:27:21,540 Oh, "Larvae" was on the playlist here 520 00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:23,210 and we'd get really excited. 521 00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:25,241 Like, "Ooh, wow." 522 00:27:25,241 --> 00:27:27,824 (upbeat music) 523 00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:40,083 - The reviews were quiet mixed. 524 00:27:41,740 --> 00:27:43,703 Well, some of them were bad. 525 00:27:43,703 --> 00:27:46,286 (upbeat music) 526 00:27:51,690 --> 00:27:54,440 I'll say on the whole, the music press, it was kind of, 527 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,150 they didn't go overboard about it 528 00:27:57,150 --> 00:27:57,983 but on the other hand, 529 00:27:57,983 --> 00:28:00,770 they weren't totally disparaging either. 530 00:28:00,770 --> 00:28:03,080 - I think the UK press couldn't get over 531 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,603 that we weren't Residents' imitators. 532 00:28:09,418 --> 00:28:11,250 - You know if you take most of pop music, 533 00:28:11,250 --> 00:28:13,720 you can put it in a lump like this, you know? 534 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,480 And then you have The Residents over here 535 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,900 and you have Renaldo & The Loaf over here. 536 00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:21,060 They're both kind of equidistant from, you know, 537 00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:24,223 the mass of pop music as a whole. 538 00:28:25,057 --> 00:28:26,546 ♪ Boom boom crash crash ♪ 539 00:28:26,546 --> 00:28:29,250 ♪ Boom boom crash crash ♪ 540 00:28:29,250 --> 00:28:30,700 - I first heard Renaldo & The Loaf 541 00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:32,510 'cause I was looking through a record bin 542 00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:35,400 and there was just a section of Ralph Records. 543 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,810 - I decided to check out all the other groups 544 00:28:39,810 --> 00:28:40,990 on Ralph records 545 00:28:40,990 --> 00:28:42,700 'cause The Residents were great 546 00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:46,200 and I wanted to find out some more interesting music. 547 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,220 - The sleeves of their records 548 00:28:48,220 --> 00:28:51,210 had the other bands on the label. 549 00:28:51,210 --> 00:28:55,030 So I just figured if they're on Ralph, I'll check it out. 550 00:28:55,030 --> 00:28:57,530 - You discovered music in such, you know, 551 00:28:57,530 --> 00:28:58,980 prehistoric ways back then. 552 00:28:58,980 --> 00:29:01,240 Sometimes somebody handing you something. 553 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,050 - You know, back then you didn't have the internet. 554 00:29:03,050 --> 00:29:03,977 You weren't connected to things 555 00:29:03,977 --> 00:29:06,980 and I was in a small town in central New York. 556 00:29:06,980 --> 00:29:07,813 - Me and my brother 557 00:29:07,813 --> 00:29:10,620 would like religiously watch a show called "Night Flight". 558 00:29:10,620 --> 00:29:12,110 It was like a video musical program, 559 00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:14,040 like a half-hour long or whatever. 560 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,640 - It was not a mainstream show. 561 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,140 There was no announcer. 562 00:29:17,140 --> 00:29:18,300 - There was no genre. 563 00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:19,910 It was like, anything goes. 564 00:29:19,910 --> 00:29:21,790 - And you didn't know what they'd be playing. 565 00:29:21,790 --> 00:29:23,400 So there is that excitement involved. 566 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,240 You never knew what was gonna be on there 567 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,670 when you turned it on. 568 00:29:26,670 --> 00:29:28,630 - So this particular night we tuned in 569 00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:31,577 and they put in the Renaldo & The Loaf 570 00:29:31,577 --> 00:29:33,520 "Songs For Swinging Larvae" video 571 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,300 and we were just like, just completely blown away. 572 00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:40,120 It was like nothing we've ever heard or seen before. 573 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,683 It was so outrageous. 574 00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:47,210 - I was working at Ralph records, pumping out rock videos, 575 00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:48,910 which we didn't know where they were rock videos 576 00:29:48,910 --> 00:29:49,743 at the time 577 00:29:49,743 --> 00:29:51,430 'cause we didn't know what rock videos were. 578 00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:53,650 They were just short music films. 579 00:29:53,650 --> 00:29:56,053 - That's the kind of record company it was. 580 00:29:57,210 --> 00:30:00,793 Have to have an in-house filmmaker. 581 00:30:04,930 --> 00:30:07,280 - I suppose it sort of shocked us in a way. 582 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,700 It was a sort of shock tempered by the fact 583 00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:11,503 that it was also pretty cool. 584 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,590 The whole film was brilliantly put together 585 00:30:18,590 --> 00:30:20,393 and visually it was great. 586 00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:28,050 - Just stolen my favorite videos for anyone. 587 00:30:28,050 --> 00:30:29,750 - It's just brilliant. 588 00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:31,040 - Modestly speaking, 589 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,950 I think it's the best music video ever made, but you know, 590 00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:34,873 I'm prejudiced. 591 00:30:39,020 --> 00:30:40,473 - All that red, red, red, red, red. 592 00:30:42,550 --> 00:30:44,063 - It's just red liquid. 593 00:30:45,530 --> 00:30:48,050 It's not blood. (laughing) 594 00:30:48,050 --> 00:30:49,410 It's just red liquid. 595 00:30:49,410 --> 00:30:51,600 - When I'm washing dishes in the sink. 596 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,950 I always think of the woman pouring the colored liquid 597 00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:57,130 back and forth into the cups 598 00:30:57,130 --> 00:30:59,640 that occurs to me almost every single time 599 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,913 for I don't know how many years. 600 00:31:06,401 --> 00:31:07,320 ♪ Oooh, look at the Earth! ♪ 601 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,920 - So we have this little kid abducted 602 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:10,847 brought away and stuff 603 00:31:10,847 --> 00:31:15,560 and then all these images of fish heads being blended up 604 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,707 and things like that and you know, 605 00:31:17,707 --> 00:31:18,640 it's just Graeme's vision. 606 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,150 Graeme sort of like, 607 00:31:20,150 --> 00:31:21,850 he looks a little outside the box. 608 00:31:23,684 --> 00:31:25,860 ♪ Lucky for you, lucky for you ♪ 609 00:31:25,860 --> 00:31:29,140 - We had not a great deal to do with it really. 610 00:31:29,140 --> 00:31:30,670 - We had a few ideas, 611 00:31:30,670 --> 00:31:33,270 like things like having somethings running backwards 612 00:31:37,308 --> 00:31:40,143 but apart from that was Graeme Whifler. 613 00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:43,820 - First of all, I had the Ken Parnell story. 614 00:31:43,820 --> 00:31:46,690 That was the backbone to the whole thing. 615 00:31:46,690 --> 00:31:48,240 - The kidnap thing, 616 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,580 which I think we would have ever thought about. 617 00:31:51,580 --> 00:31:54,540 - Well, it was based on a true story yeah. 618 00:31:54,540 --> 00:31:58,060 - There was this crime splattered across the front page 619 00:31:58,060 --> 00:31:59,170 of the Chronicle 620 00:31:59,170 --> 00:32:02,090 and it was about this guy named Ken Parnell 621 00:32:02,090 --> 00:32:06,233 who would kidnap a little boy and taking them home. 622 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,640 That was my story. 623 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,540 I walked into the business affairs office 624 00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:13,373 at Ralph Records 625 00:32:13,373 --> 00:32:15,000 I slapped a newspaper down and go, 626 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,000 this is the video 627 00:32:19,530 --> 00:32:21,470 and then the rest of it is just imagery. 628 00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:24,210 It's kind of like dream imagery that I just made up 629 00:32:24,210 --> 00:32:25,193 as I went along. 630 00:32:33,930 --> 00:32:36,530 This is the cat from the Renaldo & The Loaf video. 631 00:32:36,530 --> 00:32:40,260 It was originally abandoned fur coat 632 00:32:40,260 --> 00:32:41,440 in my neighbor's backyard 633 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,990 and I saw the coat back there and I thought, 634 00:32:42,990 --> 00:32:45,010 "oh, I can make a cat with that." 635 00:32:45,010 --> 00:32:46,450 I got another one for you though. 636 00:32:46,450 --> 00:32:48,630 It's just some thrift store find, 637 00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:52,130 but I go all around the world and people come up to me 638 00:32:52,130 --> 00:32:54,750 and they tell me I gave them nightmares as a kid. 639 00:32:54,750 --> 00:32:56,700 - When I first saw that video, 640 00:32:56,700 --> 00:33:01,700 I wanna say I was about 14 and I was very disturbed. 641 00:33:02,060 --> 00:33:03,630 - Watching those Ralph videos 642 00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:05,700 had a real psychological impact 643 00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:07,190 on a lot of young minds. 644 00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:08,990 - You know, it was very shocking for people, 645 00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:10,490 but a lot of people loved it 646 00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:11,410 and once again, 647 00:33:11,410 --> 00:33:12,720 another thing ahead of itself. 648 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,740 - We would show them at nightclubs, 649 00:33:14,740 --> 00:33:17,680 we'd show them on college campuses, 650 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,140 we would show them anywhere we could. 651 00:33:19,140 --> 00:33:21,650 I mean, we were desperate, we'd show them at film festivals. 652 00:33:21,650 --> 00:33:23,510 - It got shown at a couple of festivals before 653 00:33:23,510 --> 00:33:25,380 people thought, "oh, hold on. 654 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:27,430 "This is really not the kind thing you can show 655 00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:29,020 "on mainstream telly or anything." 656 00:33:29,020 --> 00:33:32,730 And then it sort of became a cult thing. 657 00:33:32,730 --> 00:33:36,020 - And then when MTV came along, we were one of the, 658 00:33:36,020 --> 00:33:37,760 I know a small stupid record label, 659 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,950 but we had a can of films sitting there 660 00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:41,783 and it was this like, 661 00:33:41,783 --> 00:33:43,710 well maybe some of this stuff 662 00:33:43,710 --> 00:33:45,863 could get put on this new TV thing. 663 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,930 I don't know how many times it was shown, 664 00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:56,072 but I know I seen it at least once on MTV. 665 00:33:56,072 --> 00:33:59,060 - A lot of people have seen it. 666 00:33:59,060 --> 00:34:03,030 - That video was one of the things that really, 667 00:34:03,030 --> 00:34:07,890 really drove home the idea that, yeah, 668 00:34:07,890 --> 00:34:11,933 this band was definitely like a Ralph Band. 669 00:34:13,816 --> 00:34:16,399 (upbeat music) 670 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,234 - After I did Renaldo, 671 00:34:22,234 --> 00:34:25,400 I think that was the last one I did for Ralph Records, 672 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,630 their economic situation was rapidly changing 673 00:34:29,630 --> 00:34:33,222 and they just didn't have the money for videos. 674 00:34:33,222 --> 00:34:35,805 (upbeat music) 675 00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:40,620 - At that time that was kind of a low point 676 00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:41,940 for Ralph records. 677 00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:44,580 The Residents did their "Mole Show" tour, 678 00:34:44,580 --> 00:34:46,643 which was a complete and total disaster. 679 00:34:47,824 --> 00:34:51,523 ♪ Lights out, Ted's asleep ♪ 680 00:34:51,523 --> 00:34:55,820 ♪ Indulging in R.E.M. ♪ 681 00:34:55,820 --> 00:34:57,060 - It was a very hard time financially. 682 00:34:57,060 --> 00:35:00,010 I mean, it came very close to just disappearing 683 00:35:00,010 --> 00:35:01,220 at that point. 684 00:35:01,220 --> 00:35:05,080 - Not only did it mean that we were going to have 685 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,040 to completely restructure. 686 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,750 - There was a big change in turn over. 687 00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:11,440 - It was very hard to get paid by people 688 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,870 and start collecting money. 689 00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:17,193 - But it also meant we had to move from 444 Grove street, 690 00:35:18,490 --> 00:35:20,150 which was just awful. 691 00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:23,890 - You know, Residents were self-recording, self-produced 692 00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:25,870 for all practical purposes. 693 00:35:25,870 --> 00:35:29,790 My partner Hardy was the engineer and kind of co-producer 694 00:35:29,790 --> 00:35:33,323 with The Residents, but for anybody else, 695 00:35:35,380 --> 00:35:36,870 we would have to hire our studio 696 00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:41,040 for them to go into and make an album. 697 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,210 Whatever the cost of that was, 698 00:35:42,210 --> 00:35:44,910 it would start out that much in the hole 699 00:35:44,910 --> 00:35:46,970 for Renaldo & The Loaf were not in the same category. 700 00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:49,490 They were more like The Residents. 701 00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:52,323 You know, they were self-produced. 702 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:07,810 I was just trying to figure out 703 00:36:07,810 --> 00:36:10,173 how to do the least inexpensive cover I could. 704 00:36:11,330 --> 00:36:16,230 So it was basically a black and white drawing that I did 705 00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:19,529 and then a two color print job, because that was cheap. 706 00:36:19,529 --> 00:36:22,112 (upbeat music) 707 00:36:24,570 --> 00:36:28,410 - "Arabic Yodeling" was a difficult birth. 708 00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:32,220 - What people would refer to as the difficult second album. 709 00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:34,355 - Well usually it's the difficult second album, 710 00:36:34,355 --> 00:36:36,400 because that will it sell as many as the first one 711 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,360 and will the band succeed in the future? 712 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,460 It wasn't like that. 713 00:36:40,460 --> 00:36:42,780 It was the difficult creative aspect 714 00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:44,613 of the second album for us. 715 00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:50,690 - Although it was kind of the third release we'd done 716 00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:52,470 because there's "Struvé & Sneff," 717 00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:55,240 the first two were recorded without 718 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:58,110 we didn't know that they were gonna be made public. 719 00:36:58,110 --> 00:36:59,160 - For the first time 720 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,180 we had the knowledge that whatever we were coming out with 721 00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:05,290 would likely be released 722 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,750 and that was something we'd never had 723 00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:11,250 to deal with before ever. 724 00:37:11,250 --> 00:37:16,250 - So I think we became a bit more self critical I guess, 725 00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:17,820 about everything we did. 726 00:37:17,820 --> 00:37:18,810 Was it good enough? 727 00:37:18,810 --> 00:37:23,370 - We were seeking perfection to supersede what "Larvae" did 728 00:37:23,370 --> 00:37:28,203 and basically we just wouldn't be satisfied with anything. 729 00:37:45,516 --> 00:37:48,920 - The whole process was becoming much more protracted. 730 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,910 - It did change our working relationship 731 00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:55,770 in that we felt that we had to separate 732 00:37:55,770 --> 00:38:00,200 and explore musical ideas individually 733 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,755 and then bring them together and surprise each other. 734 00:38:04,755 --> 00:38:07,338 (upbeat music) 735 00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:15,280 Late February in 1981, 736 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,230 Dave and I went to San Francisco to visit. 737 00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:21,670 - They were here in San Francisco 738 00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:24,910 for a good two to three weeks. 739 00:38:24,910 --> 00:38:26,480 - And during that time, 740 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,680 The Residents expressed an interest 741 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,290 in seeing what would happen 742 00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:33,057 if they and Renaldo & The Loaf 743 00:38:33,057 --> 00:38:35,270 actually were in the studio at the same time. 744 00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:37,040 - Somebody, 745 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,500 once again, I don't know who at this point 746 00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:41,040 made that suggestion, 747 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,210 you know, threw it out into the ozone 748 00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:47,130 to see if it would float or fly or whatever 749 00:38:47,130 --> 00:38:50,730 and it just kind of took on its own life. 750 00:38:50,730 --> 00:38:52,097 - It was just another one of those things 751 00:38:52,097 --> 00:38:54,980 that was just a natural progression. 752 00:38:54,980 --> 00:38:58,310 - I think that The Residents really, well, 753 00:38:58,310 --> 00:39:02,143 I know they loved Brian and David's music, you know, 754 00:39:02,143 --> 00:39:04,900 it was just like, I mean, we played it all the time, 755 00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:06,220 you know, I mean, there would be Led Zeppelin playing too, 756 00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:07,180 but we would hear Renaldo & The Loaf, 757 00:39:07,180 --> 00:39:09,270 we would play that tape to death. 758 00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:11,320 - Wow, okay. (David laughs lightly) 759 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,427 But anyway, 760 00:39:12,427 --> 00:39:14,180 we eventually devised this idea of doing an album 761 00:39:14,180 --> 00:39:15,180 in four days. 762 00:39:15,180 --> 00:39:18,080 Day one being just like this huge jam session, 763 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,900 day two, doing overdubs, you know, 764 00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:22,710 day three, some vocals, 765 00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:24,100 then all that sort of thing. 766 00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:26,283 Of course, it was completely unfeasible. 767 00:39:28,420 --> 00:39:31,520 We did do the long jam session 768 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:36,520 and we did do quality control sifting of that jam session 769 00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:39,950 and then that was it. 770 00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:41,303 It was just shelved and forgotten. 771 00:39:42,458 --> 00:39:45,910 ♪ What, you say? ♪ 772 00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:49,400 - In '83, Dave and I went to see "The Mole" show 773 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,655 and afterwards we met backstage with The Residents 774 00:39:52,655 --> 00:39:55,450 and we were chatting and they floated the idea of just, 775 00:39:55,450 --> 00:39:56,790 hey, do you think we could actually 776 00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:58,963 perhaps finish that project? 777 00:40:01,561 --> 00:40:02,887 I said to them, "okay." 778 00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:09,480 When they wanted to do it, Dave wasn't available 779 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,730 to be able to do that 780 00:40:10,730 --> 00:40:14,070 and so I went to San Francisco, 781 00:40:14,070 --> 00:40:19,070 Dave sent a box full of really cool loop tapes. 782 00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:27,150 The jam session had been transferred to a 16 track 783 00:40:27,150 --> 00:40:32,150 and we used those as templates for potential songs 784 00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:35,793 and so the songs happened in the studio. 785 00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,300 For me, is it a dream? 786 00:40:58,300 --> 00:40:59,800 I don't know. 787 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,927 I can remember significant parts of it 788 00:41:01,927 --> 00:41:05,720 and there is photographic evidence of that time 789 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:07,400 of the recording, 790 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,710 but it was like to spend time in the studio 791 00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:13,650 with The Residents for like three weeks, 792 00:41:13,650 --> 00:41:14,883 it was just amazing. 793 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,530 - But they did learn things from The Residents too 794 00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:22,780 and I think The Residents learned things from them. 795 00:41:36,073 --> 00:41:38,530 - I think the response was quite positive. 796 00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:43,080 - Certainly for us it had the impact of the largest royalty 797 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:43,913 we ever got. 798 00:41:43,913 --> 00:41:46,660 - And that gave us enough money to be able to afford, 799 00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:49,300 to buy an eight-track tape recorder 800 00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:51,640 and a proper mixing desk. 801 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,743 - Some outboard equipment, one of the first digital reverbs. 802 00:41:58,657 --> 00:42:02,400 - What we didn't realize was how good a job 803 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,340 The Residents and us were doing 804 00:42:04,340 --> 00:42:06,840 at creating an intriguing image 805 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,330 and a lot of times I think it was people 806 00:42:10,330 --> 00:42:13,920 that were so drawn into the world of The Residents 807 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,920 by that image that was responsible for the sales. 808 00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:22,803 - The anonymity, the way they present themselves in public. 809 00:42:24,310 --> 00:42:26,060 That kind of generates more interest 810 00:42:26,060 --> 00:42:30,843 than two part-time British guys. 811 00:42:33,076 --> 00:42:35,659 (upbeat music) 812 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,200 - I trained as an architect, 813 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,700 went into practice straight from college 814 00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:50,550 and stayed in self-employed in practice 815 00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:55,140 in a partnership for many years, 816 00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:56,740 something like 40 years. 817 00:42:56,740 --> 00:42:59,750 - For most of my working life, 818 00:42:59,750 --> 00:43:02,640 I worked in the National Health Service 819 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,970 as a biomedical scientist in pathology. 820 00:43:06,970 --> 00:43:11,070 We get all the tissue specimens from operations, 821 00:43:11,070 --> 00:43:14,680 postmortems, biopsies, from clinics and so on 822 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,230 and we make the slides that the consultant pathologist 823 00:43:19,230 --> 00:43:21,533 then uses to make their diagnosis. 824 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,240 - In that latter period. 825 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:32,070 Both our personal lives were changing. 826 00:43:32,070 --> 00:43:34,900 - I think probably Brian and I viewed our day jobs 827 00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:37,360 in slightly different ways. 828 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,600 I mean, Brian being... his career as an architect. 829 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,340 I think he saw it very much as a career. 830 00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:47,032 I was certainly committed to the job. 831 00:43:47,032 --> 00:43:51,900 I felt that it was a worthy thing to do 832 00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:54,770 but it was also something that when I went home 833 00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:57,540 at the end of the day, I could forget about it. 834 00:43:57,540 --> 00:44:01,680 I always saw working as a means to an end really. 835 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,270 It was a means that provided money for living 836 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:10,053 and I also had the free time to pursue the music. 837 00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:17,200 - There were stresses, post-"Arabic Yodelling." 838 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,680 We did a compilation album, "Olleh, Olleh Rotcod", 839 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,020 which was I think instigated from the 840 00:44:26,020 --> 00:44:29,260 "Title in Limbo" recognition, if you like. 841 00:44:29,260 --> 00:44:31,663 We got taken a bit more seriously. 842 00:44:34,830 --> 00:44:39,080 Since we were very much a hands-on people with our projects, 843 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,760 we didn't just say, 844 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,940 "Oh, here's the music you go off and you just do the cover 845 00:44:43,940 --> 00:44:45,670 "and you just do whatever." 846 00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:47,570 We just didn't think like that 847 00:44:47,570 --> 00:44:49,930 and so we spent time working on the cover 848 00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:52,810 with some artistic friends and that 849 00:44:52,810 --> 00:44:53,877 and it just took time 850 00:44:53,877 --> 00:44:57,080 but when you're doing that, you're not doing music 851 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,313 and so there was a gap. 852 00:44:59,961 --> 00:45:02,544 (upbeat music) 853 00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:06,830 It's a certain amount of energy that you have 854 00:45:06,830 --> 00:45:09,960 and when you're trying to juggle that with whatever it is 855 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,520 you're doing for your job 856 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,230 and you haven't always got the energy 857 00:45:13,230 --> 00:45:17,480 to feel perky on a Saturday and hey, let's do this. 858 00:45:41,045 --> 00:45:42,885 - The fact that we were recording on the eight-track 859 00:45:42,885 --> 00:45:45,660 there was a lot more tracks to fill up. 860 00:45:45,660 --> 00:45:49,170 - And about the time we'd actually got the audio done, 861 00:45:49,170 --> 00:45:53,310 which was probably '86, then it came to the cover 862 00:45:57,391 --> 00:46:01,341 and a lot of time was spent on the cover. 863 00:46:09,878 --> 00:46:11,623 You know, while all this was going on 864 00:46:11,623 --> 00:46:14,180 and "Elbow" wasn't finished, 865 00:46:14,180 --> 00:46:17,460 we weren't really thinking or doing any other music 866 00:46:17,460 --> 00:46:19,510 and I know it exhausted us. 867 00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:21,120 The whole thing just exhausted us 868 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,633 and that is the point, I think, where we thought, 869 00:46:25,027 --> 00:46:25,860 (sighing) 870 00:46:25,860 --> 00:46:27,623 this is like hard work isn't it? 871 00:46:29,944 --> 00:46:32,710 - We just ran out of steam, I think. 872 00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:36,100 - It's not like something I really recognized at the time, 873 00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:39,220 but maybe it was happening a little earlier. 874 00:46:39,220 --> 00:46:40,260 I don't know. 875 00:46:40,260 --> 00:46:45,260 - It just it didn't seem like quite so much fun. 876 00:46:45,330 --> 00:46:46,570 - Our friendship was very much born out 877 00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:47,800 in the music of course 878 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,280 and that was what glued us together. 879 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,810 Although we were like friends 880 00:46:51,810 --> 00:46:53,870 and Dave was the best man at my wedding 881 00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:55,710 and things like that 882 00:46:55,710 --> 00:46:58,930 but you know apart from meeting up and doing our music, 883 00:46:58,930 --> 00:47:03,243 we didn't use to meet and do other things. 884 00:47:04,361 --> 00:47:06,944 (upbeat music) 885 00:47:17,676 --> 00:47:19,290 - You know I worked with a million bands through my life 886 00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:21,800 and it's just, everything is chemistry, you know 887 00:47:22,745 --> 00:47:25,710 and it's the chemistry of this and this that makes this. 888 00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:29,103 - It's not uncommon for bands to break up, 889 00:47:29,970 --> 00:47:33,440 keeping those egos and the personalities, 890 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,773 copacetic is not an easy thing to do. 891 00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:37,813 - As I saw it, 892 00:47:37,813 --> 00:47:40,113 they had a bond through their Crusty Bachelorness. 893 00:47:41,410 --> 00:47:44,810 Whatever balance existed in their relationship, 894 00:47:44,810 --> 00:47:48,530 and I felt like there was a very strong creative balance 895 00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:50,390 that existed early on, 896 00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:55,390 but that balance then got upset with Brian having in a way, 897 00:47:57,720 --> 00:47:59,500 having things more important in his life 898 00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:00,783 that he had to deal with. 899 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,493 - I raised two daughters, 900 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,840 continued the practice, working, plate spinning, 901 00:48:10,850 --> 00:48:12,820 keeping things going. 902 00:48:12,820 --> 00:48:14,800 - I mean, Brian will have his own take on it 903 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,690 but from my point of view, 904 00:48:17,690 --> 00:48:22,617 it was focusing on other things. 905 00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:28,200 A lot of which was discovering who I am, 906 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,130 getting married, moving to a whole new location. 907 00:48:32,130 --> 00:48:34,290 It's just life happening really 908 00:48:34,290 --> 00:48:38,813 that's... I mean, that's all, 909 00:48:40,856 --> 00:48:42,710 any of it is, really, it's just life happening. 910 00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:47,710 - We just decided to take these two different roads 911 00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:53,170 and those roads were such that they were somewhat far apart 912 00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:56,543 and then we lost sight of each other. 913 00:48:58,670 --> 00:49:01,390 - Probably by the time we stopped playing 914 00:49:01,390 --> 00:49:04,713 we'd been working together for about 17 years. 915 00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:14,630 - I don't know if I was surprised 916 00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:19,240 as much as I was disappointed. 917 00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:20,320 - They were just silent. 918 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,620 You know I mean, you didn't really know why things happened 919 00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:26,360 because there was no Internet 920 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,433 and there was no magazines that covered artists like them 921 00:49:29,433 --> 00:49:31,520 that just happened to stop making music 922 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,573 and at the time you just accepted it. 923 00:49:35,850 --> 00:49:38,850 (gentle melancholy music) 924 00:49:38,850 --> 00:49:42,210 - I had heard some painful rumor 925 00:49:42,210 --> 00:49:47,210 that David was not only disavowing Renaldo & The Loaf, 926 00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:52,660 but sort of disavowing music. 927 00:49:52,660 --> 00:49:55,620 So I thought, well, there goes that. 928 00:49:55,620 --> 00:49:57,880 - Brian carried on making music. 929 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,880 I didn't, I mean there was other stuff going on in my life 930 00:50:02,927 --> 00:50:04,070 and at that time, 931 00:50:04,070 --> 00:50:07,320 which I'm not gonna go into. 932 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,643 Yeah I just didn't, 933 00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:17,223 that urge to create just kind of gone really. 934 00:50:19,770 --> 00:50:24,770 - Musically, I floundered when Dave wasn't around 935 00:50:25,410 --> 00:50:27,230 because I've been so used 936 00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:30,380 to us bouncing things off each other, 937 00:50:30,380 --> 00:50:32,080 I needed a sounding board. 938 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,167 - He would tell me, you know, he's working in this and that 939 00:50:35,167 --> 00:50:36,980 and he hasn't had a lot of time for music, 940 00:50:36,980 --> 00:50:39,423 but he does have his studio upstairs. 941 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,370 - I did find that there was a possible release 942 00:50:44,370 --> 00:50:47,180 in that by getting into using a computer 943 00:50:47,180 --> 00:50:50,810 and so in the very early days, wait, 1990, 1991 or whatever, 944 00:50:50,810 --> 00:50:55,220 I'd started creating stuff in MIDI on a computer. 945 00:50:55,220 --> 00:50:58,800 Although the amount of work I did was minimal 946 00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:59,700 compared to before 947 00:51:00,610 --> 00:51:03,710 and I found it virtually impossible to make decisions 948 00:51:03,710 --> 00:51:06,785 and so things hardly ever got completed. 949 00:51:06,785 --> 00:51:08,051 (upbeat MIDI music) 950 00:51:08,051 --> 00:51:12,290 ♪ In the things I say in the things I do ♪ 951 00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:13,820 - He sort of fell off the scene. 952 00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:15,950 There were no releases coming out 953 00:51:15,950 --> 00:51:18,060 saying right to Renaldo at this address. 954 00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:20,270 He was just a non-entity. 955 00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:23,470 The only thing that existed was Ralph Records 956 00:51:23,470 --> 00:51:24,310 and at that point, 957 00:51:24,310 --> 00:51:26,270 Ralph Records didn't exist anymore. 958 00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:28,330 - We really were no longer, 959 00:51:28,330 --> 00:51:31,070 we were interested in putting our energy 960 00:51:31,070 --> 00:51:34,760 and impetus behind The Residents, not behind other artists, 961 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,060 but Tom and Sheenah maintained that interest. 962 00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:42,830 - Tom Timony started 963 00:51:42,830 --> 00:51:45,460 sort of a splinter kind of a company. 964 00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:49,050 - About 1988, we sorta created T.E.C. Tones. 965 00:51:49,050 --> 00:51:53,010 - [Sheenah] We were kind of expanding in different musics. 966 00:51:53,010 --> 00:51:56,070 - We tried to do things that were really not oriented 967 00:51:56,070 --> 00:51:58,683 to, let's say, the Ralph clientele. 968 00:51:59,890 --> 00:52:02,150 - I actually did correspondence with T.E.C. Tones 969 00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:04,150 and then I didn't get any like letter back 970 00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:04,990 or anything like that. 971 00:52:04,990 --> 00:52:06,210 I just got a catalog. 972 00:52:06,210 --> 00:52:09,270 - I heard had this band Renaldo I want their CDs. 973 00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:10,103 Do you have them? 974 00:52:10,103 --> 00:52:12,660 And of course we had them, we had the albums, we had CDs, 975 00:52:12,660 --> 00:52:13,500 we had everything. 976 00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:16,610 - It was like a nuclear bomb went over my head, 977 00:52:16,610 --> 00:52:18,860 because it had all these things 978 00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:20,020 that I didn't even know about. 979 00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:21,830 Like I knew that Renaldo video, 980 00:52:21,830 --> 00:52:22,750 but I didn't know their albums. 981 00:52:22,750 --> 00:52:24,050 I didn't know anything about them. 982 00:52:24,050 --> 00:52:27,490 - I wound up getting the gig to repackage 983 00:52:27,490 --> 00:52:30,000 some of the Renaldo & The Loaf stuff for CD 984 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,300 and I asked if I could do a piece of art 985 00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:34,530 for like a two page spread 986 00:52:34,530 --> 00:52:37,240 of just trying to insinuate myself in there somewhere 987 00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:39,440 into a record that already been established. 988 00:52:40,510 --> 00:52:41,590 Because I remember the way I pitched, 989 00:52:41,590 --> 00:52:43,770 you know, "it's just two more panels. 990 00:52:43,770 --> 00:52:45,300 "It won't cost too much." 991 00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:48,440 And I just dug through the lyrics, 992 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,070 word like camel or whatever and I was like, 993 00:52:51,070 --> 00:52:53,000 oh, I can draw that. 994 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,950 So I tried to make everything in it, 995 00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:56,870 part of the world that they were trying to create 996 00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:58,410 I was trying to illustrate their world 997 00:52:58,410 --> 00:53:00,913 by putting their elements in there. 998 00:53:00,913 --> 00:53:03,496 (upbeat music) 999 00:53:12,910 --> 00:53:15,845 - The albums had been reissued on CD 1000 00:53:15,845 --> 00:53:19,640 by T.E.C. Tones in the early '90s 1001 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,380 but there was no sort of retail presence, shall we say 1002 00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:24,570 of Renaldo & The Loaf. 1003 00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:27,140 Our stuff was very difficult to get hold of. 1004 00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:30,450 - Nobody knew who they were. 1005 00:53:30,450 --> 00:53:32,291 I had friends and I said, 1006 00:53:32,291 --> 00:53:34,340 "Have you ever heard of Renaldo & The Loaf?" 1007 00:53:34,340 --> 00:53:35,407 And they said, 1008 00:53:35,407 --> 00:53:36,810 "You're making that up." 1009 00:53:36,810 --> 00:53:38,730 - In those days in the late '80s 1010 00:53:38,730 --> 00:53:40,850 it's very difficult to find out about bands 1011 00:53:40,850 --> 00:53:42,470 that weren't current, if you like, 1012 00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:45,920 or bands that weren't on TV 1013 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,890 or played on the radio. 1014 00:53:47,890 --> 00:53:50,030 - I first heard about Renaldo & The Loaf 1015 00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:52,520 as this kind of like almost cultish thing 1016 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,340 back in the mid-1990s. 1017 00:53:55,340 --> 00:53:58,260 - It was really hard to get their albums back then. 1018 00:53:58,260 --> 00:54:00,370 - Anything that was at the record store 1019 00:54:00,370 --> 00:54:02,260 was major label stuff. 1020 00:54:02,260 --> 00:54:05,250 - And it wasn't until some years later almost, you know, 1021 00:54:05,250 --> 00:54:08,520 sort of in the last 10, 15 years when I met Brian, 1022 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,520 he was able to furnish me with all of the material 1023 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,920 that you can get hold of for all those years ago. 1024 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,560 - I was always never lost my pride in Renaldo & The Loaf. 1025 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:25,053 I always had a love for that music and what we did. 1026 00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:29,740 - I reached out to Brian and I just said, "Hi, I'm a fan" 1027 00:54:29,740 --> 00:54:34,428 and I told him how much the music meant to me 1028 00:54:34,428 --> 00:54:36,770 and I couldn't believe he responded. 1029 00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:40,283 - If people were interested, I would talk to them about it. 1030 00:54:41,460 --> 00:54:42,330 If people, you know, 1031 00:54:42,330 --> 00:54:43,900 I would deal with people 1032 00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:46,010 who were trying to find something out 1033 00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:47,470 about Renaldo & The Loaf, 1034 00:54:47,470 --> 00:54:51,890 the website that was originally set up by, Ian McGrath. 1035 00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:55,070 - I realized that there was no Renaldo & The Loaf website 1036 00:54:55,070 --> 00:54:55,903 that I could find. 1037 00:54:55,903 --> 00:54:58,063 Then I said, well, why don't I make one? 1038 00:55:00,107 --> 00:55:02,150 (gentle upbeat music) 1039 00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:06,600 - When I first got a computer and first got internet access, 1040 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,560 just out of interest, 1041 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,190 I put "Renaldo & The Loaf" in the search engine 1042 00:55:12,190 --> 00:55:13,736 and I was surprised to find 1043 00:55:13,736 --> 00:55:16,117 that there were actually a couple of websites 1044 00:55:16,117 --> 00:55:19,400 devoted to Renaldo & The Loaf. 1045 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:20,260 I was surprised 1046 00:55:20,260 --> 00:55:24,753 that there wasn't any interest at all really. 1047 00:55:26,829 --> 00:55:29,996 (gentle upbeat music) 1048 00:55:32,650 --> 00:55:34,660 Something I find is quite helpful 1049 00:55:34,660 --> 00:55:37,850 when you're looking back on a situation 1050 00:55:37,850 --> 00:55:39,210 or an experience in your life 1051 00:55:39,210 --> 00:55:41,400 to kind of write it down 1052 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,790 and it's surprising things that come out, 1053 00:55:43,790 --> 00:55:45,030 things that you remember, 1054 00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:47,540 insights you get about the whole process 1055 00:55:47,540 --> 00:55:52,320 that can be instructive. 1056 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:53,912 I was gonna say cathartic, 1057 00:55:53,912 --> 00:55:56,863 but cathartic's perhaps too dramatic a word for it. 1058 00:55:58,130 --> 00:56:01,230 - I had no means of actually contacting Dave at all. 1059 00:56:01,230 --> 00:56:04,010 I didn't know where he was. 1060 00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:05,640 I had no idea. 1061 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:10,640 - Dave emailed me and he didn't say "I'm Dave Jansen." 1062 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:12,050 He didn't say "I'm Ted the Loaf." 1063 00:56:12,050 --> 00:56:15,810 It was like, he was a Dave Jansen fan 1064 00:56:15,810 --> 00:56:18,950 who was wondering why this website was so, 1065 00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:20,980 which purported to be for Renaldo & The Loaf 1066 00:56:20,980 --> 00:56:23,260 seemed to be so Renaldo-centric. 1067 00:56:23,260 --> 00:56:25,633 - I just contacted the guy and said, 1068 00:56:26,537 --> 00:56:29,360 "Yeah, do you want a different take on this?" 1069 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,300 - And then he emailed me again 1070 00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:33,590 and I was just like, this is really weird 1071 00:56:33,590 --> 00:56:36,137 and I just forwarded it to Brian and said, 1072 00:56:36,137 --> 00:56:37,903 "Do you know who this is? 1073 00:56:39,443 --> 00:56:42,105 "I have a feeling you know this person." 1074 00:56:42,105 --> 00:56:45,272 (gentle upbeat music) 1075 00:56:57,676 --> 00:56:59,100 - I find it very interesting 1076 00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:02,530 because it's a perspective of Renaldo & The Loaf music 1077 00:57:02,530 --> 00:57:03,870 that had never occurred to me. 1078 00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:06,250 - I think at the time when I wrote that 1079 00:57:06,250 --> 00:57:11,250 I was feeling somewhat negative towards the music. 1080 00:57:14,379 --> 00:57:16,793 I think that was just part of the process of writing 1081 00:57:16,793 --> 00:57:18,256 that was kind of, 1082 00:57:18,256 --> 00:57:21,593 yeah maybe cathartic is a good word after all, 1083 00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:25,790 but then it got Brian and I talking again. 1084 00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:29,170 I mean, that was the important outcome of it. 1085 00:57:29,170 --> 00:57:34,170 - I emailed Dave tentatively and got a very warm response, 1086 00:57:34,290 --> 00:57:36,340 which made me exceedingly happy 1087 00:57:41,766 --> 00:57:43,330 and then we just started an email correspondence. 1088 00:57:43,330 --> 00:57:45,460 - Coincidentally, around that time, 1089 00:57:45,460 --> 00:57:46,840 I'd arranged to come to Port 1090 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,640 as I was staying with another friend 1091 00:57:49,536 --> 00:57:50,528 and I just said to Brian, 1092 00:57:50,528 --> 00:57:53,010 I said, "Well actually, I'm in Portsmouth. 1093 00:57:53,010 --> 00:57:54,293 "in a couple of weeks. 1094 00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:57,919 "Do you fancy meeting up?" 1095 00:57:57,919 --> 00:58:01,419 (dice roll, upbeat music) 1096 00:58:03,830 --> 00:58:06,430 - [Brian] We went met up for a drink 1097 00:58:06,430 --> 00:58:09,170 at The Tangier pub where we'd actually done 1098 00:58:09,170 --> 00:58:11,020 some of our lyric writing. 1099 00:58:11,020 --> 00:58:12,630 - Well, it would be 20 years, wouldn't it? 1100 00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:17,543 For '86, well it wasn't maybe '87 to 2006, 1101 00:58:18,380 --> 00:58:20,859 19, 20 years. 1102 00:58:20,859 --> 00:58:23,060 - I could admit I was a bit nervous, 1103 00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:26,400 but literally within seconds that disappeared. 1104 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,225 - The extraordinary thing about our meeting up again.- 1105 00:58:30,225 --> 00:58:31,790 - It's just like the intervening period it never happened 1106 00:58:31,790 --> 00:58:35,052 and we were chatting away and reminiscing on this, that 1107 00:58:35,052 --> 00:58:35,885 and the other. 1108 00:58:35,885 --> 00:58:37,720 - It seemed like we picked up the conversation 1109 00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,640 as if we hadn't seen each other for a week 1110 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:42,560 and basically everything 1111 00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,093 just sort of slotted back into place again. 1112 00:58:48,564 --> 00:58:51,897 (indistinct chattering) 1113 00:58:53,377 --> 00:58:56,430 - Our friendship was rekindled 1114 00:58:56,430 --> 00:58:58,773 I would say almost instantaneously. 1115 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,340 - We were both older, wiser now, hopefully 1116 00:59:03,340 --> 00:59:06,700 than we were and we were both big enough 1117 00:59:09,490 --> 00:59:11,623 to pick things up without any difficulty. 1118 00:59:16,270 --> 00:59:21,270 - I had a whole wadge of CD-Rs to give Dave of music. 1119 00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:24,940 That's both the actual albums and outtakes. 1120 00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:26,630 - I mean, I had not listened to the stuff 1121 00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:29,073 for 20 years really. 1122 00:59:29,073 --> 00:59:31,170 - He said the memory I had, 1123 00:59:31,170 --> 00:59:35,500 it got so clouded perhaps by time 1124 00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:38,960 that he was pleasantly surprised that actually 1125 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,713 our music was, he quite liked it. 1126 00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:48,670 He then started messing around using a computer 1127 00:59:48,670 --> 00:59:50,840 to play with them. 1128 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,340 which I thought was wonderful. 1129 00:59:54,420 --> 00:59:56,720 - A friend of mine had given me 1130 00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,650 some music software programs. 1131 00:59:58,650 --> 01:00:02,887 He heard that I was kind of vaguely interested 1132 01:00:03,810 --> 01:00:06,120 in trying something like that out. 1133 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,240 - Dave went nuts. 1134 01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,817 I mean, he was recording stuff all the time 1135 01:00:09,817 --> 01:00:14,680 and making "The Darkening Scale" projects. 1136 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,840 - I'd started working on what became known 1137 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,170 as "The Darkening Scale" 1138 01:00:19,170 --> 01:00:21,423 which was kind of my side project. 1139 01:00:22,415 --> 01:00:24,998 (upbeat music) 1140 01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:37,980 - We didn't actually make a conscious decision 1141 01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:40,570 to sort of like start recording together again 1142 01:00:40,570 --> 01:00:41,900 but I think it's fair to say 1143 01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:44,320 that some of the sort of like ideas and sketches 1144 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,700 that Dave was coming up with like fired me up. 1145 01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:48,680 - And I was finding that sometimes 1146 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,490 I was coming up with bits that I thought, 1147 01:00:51,490 --> 01:00:52,430 well, I like that, 1148 01:00:52,430 --> 01:00:56,430 but it's not really in the style of 'The Darkening Scale." 1149 01:00:56,430 --> 01:00:59,130 I started wondering whether it would, 1150 01:00:59,130 --> 01:01:02,080 maybe it could be a Renaldo & The Loaf piece. 1151 01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,440 - I've got to say I had to get my confidence back a bit 1152 01:01:07,450 --> 01:01:10,773 because I hadn't recorded with anyone for so long. 1153 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,700 I had to sort of like get my confidence back 1154 01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:16,173 about "this is what I can do." 1155 01:01:19,590 --> 01:01:24,280 I would use my programs to send some computer audio 1156 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,200 over to him. 1157 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:31,200 It's almost like a replay of when we started again in '77, 1158 01:01:31,610 --> 01:01:33,210 just with abstract sound 1159 01:01:33,210 --> 01:01:36,133 and those abstract sounds became songs. 1160 01:01:37,940 --> 01:01:42,723 These experiments then became songs. 1161 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,520 - When we met again, Brian was talking about 1162 01:02:09,390 --> 01:02:12,113 reissuing the albums on CD. 1163 01:02:14,740 --> 01:02:18,040 - I've always said that I wouldn't limit myself 1164 01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,790 and that whatever I like, 1165 01:02:20,790 --> 01:02:22,070 I was happy to release. 1166 01:02:22,070 --> 01:02:23,660 From a very early stage 1167 01:02:23,660 --> 01:02:27,180 I saw that they were somehow in contact again. 1168 01:02:27,180 --> 01:02:29,860 I said, well, how about reissuing the old material? 1169 01:02:29,860 --> 01:02:32,690 - And we said, "Why not?" 1170 01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:36,253 (upbeat music) 1171 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:43,890 - When they announced 1172 01:02:43,890 --> 01:02:48,650 that they were gonna start a reissue campaign, 1173 01:02:48,650 --> 01:02:50,230 but with all this extra bonus stuff, 1174 01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:52,140 I was like through the roof. 1175 01:02:52,140 --> 01:02:53,130 I was so excited. 1176 01:02:53,130 --> 01:02:55,283 - So we've done the whole catalog by now. 1177 01:02:56,899 --> 01:02:59,482 (upbeat music) 1178 01:03:03,130 --> 01:03:06,671 - When Klanggalerie started reissuing 1179 01:03:06,671 --> 01:03:09,030 these wonderful double CDs, 1180 01:03:09,030 --> 01:03:12,140 I got a real insight into the making of the music, 1181 01:03:12,140 --> 01:03:13,663 the preparation for the music. 1182 01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:18,550 (upbeat music) 1183 01:03:18,550 --> 01:03:21,210 - Obviously there was a full unreleased album 1184 01:03:21,210 --> 01:03:25,470 and as they both agreed that it was worth releasing, 1185 01:03:25,470 --> 01:03:26,393 it just happened. 1186 01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:29,720 - Pretty much everything 1187 01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,570 that we would possibly want to release 1188 01:03:32,570 --> 01:03:33,853 has now been revealed. 1189 01:03:36,622 --> 01:03:39,927 (gentle upbeat music) 1190 01:03:39,927 --> 01:03:42,890 - I thought maybe once they did all the re-releases, 1191 01:03:42,890 --> 01:03:43,930 they would do a new album 1192 01:03:43,930 --> 01:03:46,050 and I was very hopeful for that. 1193 01:03:46,050 --> 01:03:49,880 - We'd recorded a few songs when Brian was visiting me 1194 01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,560 one time, he said, "well, actually, 1195 01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,670 "we've got about nearly 30 minutes worth of music. 1196 01:03:54,670 --> 01:03:58,860 "What do you say that we go for it and make another album?" 1197 01:03:58,860 --> 01:04:02,740 - We played some stuff to Walter at Klanggalerie. 1198 01:04:02,740 --> 01:04:05,860 - We have no idea whether anybody would like it or not. 1199 01:04:05,860 --> 01:04:08,280 I mean, we felt they were strong pieces. 1200 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,130 - You know, if I tried to describe 1201 01:04:10,130 --> 01:04:12,690 how Renaldo & The Loaf album should sound 1202 01:04:12,690 --> 01:04:15,600 like for 35, 40 years on 1203 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:16,433 this would have been it. 1204 01:04:16,433 --> 01:04:19,230 You know what I mean, it's so Renaldo. 1205 01:04:19,230 --> 01:04:22,130 Of course the technology is different and you can hear it. 1206 01:04:23,286 --> 01:04:25,730 (upbeat music) 1207 01:04:25,730 --> 01:04:27,760 In some way it's also like they picked up 1208 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:28,973 where they just stopped. 1209 01:04:32,670 --> 01:04:37,337 - Eventually compiled it up and "Gurdy Hurding" happened 1210 01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:46,300 which was a complete surprise to everybody. 1211 01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:47,290 It was a surprise to us 1212 01:04:47,290 --> 01:04:50,085 about six months before it actually it was released 1213 01:04:50,085 --> 01:04:54,585 because we hadn't actually brought it together before. 1214 01:05:06,233 --> 01:05:08,430 - When we made "The Elbow is Taboo" 1215 01:05:08,430 --> 01:05:12,540 we were already exploring the idea of a medieval music. 1216 01:05:12,540 --> 01:05:15,990 Something that fascinated both of us, 1217 01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:19,130 but we didn't have the resources to do it. 1218 01:05:19,130 --> 01:05:21,530 Sampling was still in its infancy.- 1219 01:05:21,530 --> 01:05:24,333 - And we couldn't learn to play crumb horns that quickly. 1220 01:05:26,678 --> 01:05:27,511 (both laughing) 1221 01:05:27,511 --> 01:05:28,640 - I was kind of nervous 1222 01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,019 because I didn't know whether 1223 01:05:31,019 --> 01:05:33,050 they had to recapture what they had, 1224 01:05:33,050 --> 01:05:35,470 but when "Gurdy Hurding" came out, 1225 01:05:35,470 --> 01:05:38,440 I just felt not only was it as good as everything else, 1226 01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,110 it was actually a step forward. 1227 01:05:40,110 --> 01:05:41,560 - The new stuff is awesome. 1228 01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:42,830 I absolutely love it. 1229 01:05:42,830 --> 01:05:46,270 - My first reaction was, "Ah, they're back!" 1230 01:05:46,270 --> 01:05:48,240 - I was absolutely over the moon. 1231 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,087 I thought it was brilliant. 1232 01:05:50,087 --> 01:05:52,110 - I'm very happy because I'm a fan. 1233 01:05:52,110 --> 01:05:54,680 - It sounds like Renaldo & The Loaf. 1234 01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:59,550 It sounds exactly, it's the natural progression. 1235 01:05:59,550 --> 01:06:02,070 - It's beautiful to me to see that the inspiration 1236 01:06:02,070 --> 01:06:03,630 is seems to be the same 1237 01:06:03,630 --> 01:06:05,740 and the direction seems to be the same. 1238 01:06:05,740 --> 01:06:08,960 It's them sitting down again, being pure and going, 1239 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:10,090 what do you want to do? 1240 01:06:10,090 --> 01:06:11,320 Let's do what we want. 1241 01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,170 And they sit down and they do what they want 1242 01:06:13,170 --> 01:06:16,560 and they go forward, you know, that's inspiration. 1243 01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,590 - My wife didn't like the music at all, 1244 01:06:19,590 --> 01:06:23,870 but she was always very supportive of everything I did 1245 01:06:23,870 --> 01:06:28,870 and I would have loved her to have seen "Gurdy Hurding" 1246 01:06:28,930 --> 01:06:32,100 come to fruition because I think the music on that, 1247 01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:36,600 there's some there that she might have actually liked. 1248 01:06:46,267 --> 01:06:47,910 - Renaldo & The Loaf, as I see it, 1249 01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:49,270 a modal way of playing. 1250 01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:51,810 There aren't many chords in their music. 1251 01:06:51,810 --> 01:06:55,450 So actually to get something that looks like 1252 01:06:55,450 --> 01:06:58,570 Medieval woodcut or manuscript illumination, 1253 01:06:58,570 --> 01:07:02,210 like that kind of work on the album design 1254 01:07:02,210 --> 01:07:03,300 worked really well, 1255 01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:05,710 but I didn't see it coming at all. 1256 01:07:10,287 --> 01:07:12,380 - I've always hung out on Residents Chat 1257 01:07:12,380 --> 01:07:16,640 and Brian is a Residents collector 1258 01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,030 and he'd come on every once in a while 1259 01:07:18,030 --> 01:07:21,117 and I was always too scared to talk to him. 1260 01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:23,670 - That one's my favorite. 1261 01:07:24,550 --> 01:07:26,860 They're just two regular guys in silly hats. 1262 01:07:26,860 --> 01:07:29,860 - One day I got an email through my contact form 1263 01:07:29,860 --> 01:07:32,310 on my website from Renaldo 1264 01:07:33,291 --> 01:07:35,187 and I was like, "Holy crap." 1265 01:07:36,430 --> 01:07:40,407 - Poxodd's interpretation of the world of "Gurdy Hurding" 1266 01:07:40,407 --> 01:07:43,860 if you like, visually, is spot on. 1267 01:07:43,860 --> 01:07:46,070 - I was really anxious to see who got the cover 1268 01:07:46,070 --> 01:07:47,800 because I really wanted the cover. 1269 01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,720 So when I heard it was her, I was really happy and relieved 1270 01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,210 that it was sort of the guy that I really was. 1271 01:07:53,210 --> 01:07:56,000 - So I came up with a sketch 1272 01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:00,330 where they had these basket hats with branches, 1273 01:08:00,330 --> 01:08:04,150 for antlers kinda with bells on them 1274 01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:07,390 and I made that sketch and I got to thinking about it 1275 01:08:07,390 --> 01:08:10,760 and I was like, I think I can make those hats 1276 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,030 and I was thinking maybe they should have some eyewear 1277 01:08:14,030 --> 01:08:16,410 and I believe it was David 1278 01:08:16,410 --> 01:08:21,370 who suggested bread slices for glasses 1279 01:08:21,370 --> 01:08:23,503 and it kind of went from there. 1280 01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:27,420 - After I did the album cover, 1281 01:08:27,420 --> 01:08:29,306 I was so excited to work with them. 1282 01:08:29,306 --> 01:08:32,220 I decided I would make some merchandise 1283 01:08:32,220 --> 01:08:33,870 and they were all up for that. 1284 01:08:33,870 --> 01:08:38,523 So I made some posters and art cards and stickers. 1285 01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:41,903 It was just for no reason because I wanted it. 1286 01:08:42,780 --> 01:08:45,023 I just wanted some art so I made it. 1287 01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,550 - It's amazing working with them. 1288 01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:50,070 They have a lot of ideas 1289 01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:53,100 and I try to incorporate all of their ideas 1290 01:08:53,100 --> 01:08:54,750 as much as I can. 1291 01:08:54,750 --> 01:08:59,590 It's usually kind of a pretty equal three way collaboration. 1292 01:08:59,590 --> 01:09:01,681 - Well, we just find her work so exciting. 1293 01:09:01,681 --> 01:09:04,931 (Brian laughs lightly) 1294 01:09:10,730 --> 01:09:14,970 - Dave and Brian said, "We wanna do a video single, 1295 01:09:14,970 --> 01:09:17,630 "if you like, we wanna promote it on YouTube." 1296 01:09:17,630 --> 01:09:19,720 Nobody knew about the album. 1297 01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,660 It was super secret. 1298 01:09:21,660 --> 01:09:23,140 I'd seen the hats. 1299 01:09:23,140 --> 01:09:26,780 I think I haven't seen drawings or photographs of the hats, 1300 01:09:26,780 --> 01:09:28,253 which Poxxod had taken, 1301 01:09:29,518 --> 01:09:31,150 which tied in with folk 1302 01:09:31,150 --> 01:09:34,403 and just generally Medieval weirdness really 1303 01:09:42,878 --> 01:09:44,020 and in fact when I show people 1304 01:09:44,020 --> 01:09:46,390 who don't know Renaldo & The Loaf's music 1305 01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:48,983 and I showed them the video and they go, 1306 01:09:49,850 --> 01:09:51,600 they asked me what am I looking at? 1307 01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:54,710 And I have to explain to them what an 'obby 'oss is 1308 01:09:54,710 --> 01:09:59,710 and it's apostrophe O-B-B-Y apostrophe O-S-S. 1309 01:10:00,410 --> 01:10:05,410 It's a Cornish way or writing of "hobby horse," 1310 01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,950 which is somebody who's dressed up like a horse, 1311 01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:11,610 which is a medieval kind of pantomime thing. 1312 01:10:11,610 --> 01:10:13,500 Brian is the 'obby 'oss to start off with, 1313 01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:15,610 but at the end they change round 1314 01:10:15,610 --> 01:10:18,110 and Dave becomes the 'obby 'oss. 1315 01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:20,593 It's really how I see them as a duo. 1316 01:10:21,550 --> 01:10:22,940 It's a biography really 1317 01:10:25,550 --> 01:10:30,133 and a Medieval send up. (laughs lightly) 1318 01:10:31,730 --> 01:10:34,920 - They've refused to play live for a very long time. 1319 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,740 Every year, we got an invitation from a guy 1320 01:10:37,740 --> 01:10:40,530 who runs a festival in Gateshead. 1321 01:10:40,530 --> 01:10:44,370 Every year he wrote and asked us whether we'd perform 1322 01:10:44,370 --> 01:10:47,110 and we always said, "No." 1323 01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:48,690 - It's not something we do. 1324 01:10:48,690 --> 01:10:49,956 That's right. 1325 01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,460 But it was something which I wanted to do 1326 01:10:53,460 --> 01:10:56,100 at least once in my lifetime 1327 01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:58,938 to stand on a stage as Renaldo & The Loaf 1328 01:10:58,938 --> 01:11:00,393 and do our songs. 1329 01:11:03,082 --> 01:11:06,588 ♪ I bet you didn't know today ♪ 1330 01:11:06,588 --> 01:11:11,300 ♪ I bet you didn't know today ♪ 1331 01:11:11,300 --> 01:11:16,230 - I think Walter had kind of mentioned the idea 1332 01:11:16,230 --> 01:11:17,513 of doing it. 1333 01:11:17,513 --> 01:11:19,210 - Of course, I tried to come up with arguments 1334 01:11:19,210 --> 01:11:20,970 why it would be a nice idea to do it. 1335 01:11:20,970 --> 01:11:24,010 - I think the fact it was for Walter 1336 01:11:24,010 --> 01:11:25,690 because Walter is a good friend 1337 01:11:25,690 --> 01:11:27,760 and he's been extremely supportive. 1338 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:32,760 - I see it as a very big honor and a very lovely gesture. 1339 01:11:34,633 --> 01:11:38,241 ♪ I bet you didn't know today ♪ 1340 01:11:38,241 --> 01:11:42,074 ♪ Was such a long time coming ♪ 1341 01:11:42,940 --> 01:11:44,440 - From my point of view is 1342 01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:45,630 when I told friends about it, 1343 01:11:45,630 --> 01:11:47,387 they said, "You've got to do it." 1344 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:49,593 (David laughs lightly) 1345 01:11:49,593 --> 01:11:52,163 And so, yeah it happened. 1346 01:11:54,499 --> 01:11:58,080 ♪ I bet you didn't know today ♪ 1347 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,030 - Well, we went to Vienna last year 1348 01:12:01,030 --> 01:12:04,240 and I didn't know what to expect. 1349 01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,300 - When they went on stage. 1350 01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:08,096 It was- 1351 01:12:08,096 --> 01:12:09,959 - That they hated it. 1352 01:12:09,959 --> 01:12:12,255 - Yeah, I've never been booed before. 1353 01:12:12,255 --> 01:12:15,005 (David laughing) 1354 01:12:15,989 --> 01:12:19,156 (audience applauding wildly) 1355 01:12:21,182 --> 01:12:23,932 It was amazing. - Very supportive. 1356 01:12:28,730 --> 01:12:30,080 It's fair to say that Brian 1357 01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:33,003 is more of a performer than I am. 1358 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,040 - When they performed in Vienna last year, 1359 01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,480 what an amazing venue and feat that was. 1360 01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:42,690 - I can only compare it 1361 01:12:42,690 --> 01:12:44,240 when people paid all that money 1362 01:12:45,181 --> 01:12:46,760 to go and see Led Zeppelin reform in London 1363 01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,490 and people literally came from around the world. 1364 01:12:49,490 --> 01:12:51,680 Well for Renaldo & The Loaf 1365 01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,290 people literally came from around the world. 1366 01:12:54,290 --> 01:12:57,280 - [Walter] The crowd went absolutely crazy. 1367 01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:58,763 The crowd really loved them. 1368 01:12:59,796 --> 01:13:01,420 (audience applauding) 1369 01:13:01,420 --> 01:13:05,890 - The audience were just, like, so receptive, 1370 01:13:05,890 --> 01:13:10,890 enthusiastic, that sort of spurs you on doesn't it? 1371 01:13:11,422 --> 01:13:12,255 (audience applauding) 1372 01:13:12,255 --> 01:13:14,672 Thank you so much for coming. 1373 01:13:15,890 --> 01:13:18,121 - People weren't just singing along to lyrics 1374 01:13:18,121 --> 01:13:23,088 they were, (sings "A Medical Man") 1375 01:13:24,058 --> 01:13:25,680 They were actually doing the music in the audience 1376 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,737 and you can't hear that so much on the recording, 1377 01:13:27,737 --> 01:13:30,400 but in the audience, that's what people were doing. 1378 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,450 They were singing emoting all of the little pieces 1379 01:13:33,450 --> 01:13:34,283 of the music. 1380 01:13:34,283 --> 01:13:36,430 It's like a real intimate knowledge. 1381 01:13:36,430 --> 01:13:37,263 Fantastic. 1382 01:13:38,530 --> 01:13:40,750 - I was at a hotel room on tour or someplace 1383 01:13:40,750 --> 01:13:42,500 and somebody said, "Oh, you should check this thing out 1384 01:13:42,500 --> 01:13:43,333 on YouTube" 1385 01:13:43,333 --> 01:13:44,166 and I laid there in bed 1386 01:13:44,166 --> 01:13:45,630 and watched Renaldo & The Loaf live in Austria. 1387 01:13:45,630 --> 01:13:47,890 So this is like, oh, this is great. 1388 01:13:47,890 --> 01:13:51,650 - This wasn't like a plush, velvet seated, 1389 01:13:51,650 --> 01:13:53,940 Vienna piano recital. 1390 01:13:53,940 --> 01:13:58,180 It was wild and that made it even more extraordinary 1391 01:13:58,180 --> 01:13:59,630 because I know for a fact 1392 01:13:59,630 --> 01:14:01,830 where they'd get offered to play in London 1393 01:14:01,830 --> 01:14:04,650 and they are very nice places 1394 01:14:04,650 --> 01:14:06,500 that added to the extraordinary nature 1395 01:14:06,500 --> 01:14:09,853 of what that show was. 1396 01:14:14,969 --> 01:14:18,136 (audience applauding) 1397 01:14:19,597 --> 01:14:21,970 (upbeat music) 1398 01:14:21,970 --> 01:14:24,390 - The reissue of all the old material, 1399 01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:28,850 I think it's given people an opportunity to reappraise 1400 01:14:28,850 --> 01:14:30,023 Renaldo & The Loaf. 1401 01:14:31,209 --> 01:14:33,792 (upbeat music) 1402 01:14:37,470 --> 01:14:41,400 The distance between now and then 1403 01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,750 has given people a different perspective on it. 1404 01:14:48,175 --> 01:14:51,980 - Well, listen to what people are listening to now. 1405 01:14:51,980 --> 01:14:53,010 They're listening to stuff 1406 01:14:53,010 --> 01:14:55,470 they would never have dream they would have liked. 1407 01:14:55,470 --> 01:14:59,160 Different electronic treatments and things like this 1408 01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,170 and subject matter. 1409 01:15:01,170 --> 01:15:03,830 - You can feel that Renaldo & The Loaf 1410 01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:06,330 with things that they were doing like 40 years ago, 1411 01:15:06,330 --> 01:15:09,620 that young kids are thinking that they're finding out, 1412 01:15:09,620 --> 01:15:12,050 but it's been, everything's been done, 1413 01:15:12,050 --> 01:15:15,160 it's just like Renaldo & The Loaf are Godfathers. 1414 01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,833 - The recognition that "Larvae" has got as an album, 1415 01:15:20,741 --> 01:15:21,574 in more recent years, 1416 01:15:21,574 --> 01:15:26,170 I think it's got more critical acclaim, if you like, 1417 01:15:26,170 --> 01:15:28,430 for what it did. 1418 01:15:28,430 --> 01:15:29,900 I think it was voted the, 1419 01:15:29,900 --> 01:15:33,080 was it the 13th or 14th Weirdest Album in the world?- 1420 01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,523 - 14th Weirdest Album of all time. 1421 01:15:35,523 --> 01:15:38,830 - Of all time in Mojo. Yay. 1422 01:15:38,830 --> 01:15:40,023 - They've become, 1423 01:15:41,250 --> 01:15:43,910 I hate to use "cult band," but you know what I mean, 1424 01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:47,749 an interesting "Internet band." 1425 01:15:47,749 --> 01:15:50,650 Their popularity has grown in a certain way 1426 01:15:50,650 --> 01:15:52,350 amongst the cognoscenti. 1427 01:15:52,350 --> 01:15:54,260 - Well it's rare thing for that kind of band 1428 01:15:54,260 --> 01:15:55,370 to exist anyway, 1429 01:15:55,370 --> 01:15:57,330 let alone be the kind of band that breaks up 1430 01:15:57,330 --> 01:15:59,070 and gets back together or whatever. 1431 01:15:59,070 --> 01:16:00,350 That's a typical band thing, 1432 01:16:00,350 --> 01:16:01,920 but they're not a typical band 1433 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,450 and there'll never be another one like them 1434 01:16:03,450 --> 01:16:06,530 and you couldn't put a band like that together. 1435 01:16:06,530 --> 01:16:09,030 A band like that has to come together organically. 1436 01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:13,410 - They've been really solid, apart from a break. 1437 01:16:13,410 --> 01:16:14,630 You know, they've come back together 1438 01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:16,900 and they're still producing, eight albums is it now, 1439 01:16:16,900 --> 01:16:18,009 nine album? 1440 01:16:18,009 --> 01:16:18,842 Something like that, it's crazy. 1441 01:16:18,842 --> 01:16:20,530 - Well, I mean, the way things work. 1442 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:22,393 What is time? 1443 01:16:22,393 --> 01:16:24,720 It's just a brief hiatus. 1444 01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,360 I mean, if you think of it in a bigger grander scale. 1445 01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,747 the fact that it was 20 years or something, 1446 01:16:33,923 --> 01:16:35,126 'cause the last time I spoke to you, 1447 01:16:35,126 --> 01:16:36,710 it was about 40 years ago. 1448 01:16:36,710 --> 01:16:39,013 - I always felt that things happen the way they happen. 1449 01:16:39,013 --> 01:16:41,007 They couldn't have happened any other way 1450 01:16:41,007 --> 01:16:42,240 than the way they happened. 1451 01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,530 The idea that something could have happened differently 1452 01:16:44,530 --> 01:16:47,580 is just that, just an idea. 1453 01:16:47,580 --> 01:16:52,580 - The two guys that came together in 2006, again, 1454 01:16:52,940 --> 01:16:57,940 were in many respects, just the same, but in other respects, 1455 01:16:58,470 --> 01:17:00,700 very different people. 1456 01:17:00,700 --> 01:17:02,550 We'd grown up basically. 1457 01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:06,440 - That 20 years in some way was necessary 1458 01:17:07,710 --> 01:17:09,143 for what happened next. 1459 01:17:10,427 --> 01:17:13,010 (upbeat music) 1460 01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:18,880 - Our friendship was because of who we were, 1461 01:17:19,610 --> 01:17:24,610 not what we were. And that's why it's, 1462 01:17:24,650 --> 01:17:27,793 to my mind so much richer now, 1463 01:17:28,940 --> 01:17:30,323 than I even was before. 1464 01:17:32,090 --> 01:17:34,760 - I really enjoy it when Brian comes just for a visit, 1465 01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:35,810 and we just go out, 1466 01:17:35,810 --> 01:17:38,950 we might go somewhere for a day and explore a town 1467 01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:40,063 or whatever. 1468 01:17:41,940 --> 01:17:45,040 Sometimes I say, oh, in a way, 1469 01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,195 it's great that we're not doing music on this visit, 1470 01:17:48,195 --> 01:17:50,640 we're just having a good time together. 1471 01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,773 - Yeah I mean, originally it was like, 1472 01:17:55,690 --> 01:17:59,940 music was the fuel for the friendship, 1473 01:17:59,940 --> 01:18:02,190 but now friendship is the fuel for the music. 1474 01:18:03,035 --> 01:18:06,220 - That's a good point. I like that. 1475 01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:12,110 - The fact that they were able to overcome a 20 year gap 1476 01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,490 in their creative relationship 1477 01:18:15,490 --> 01:18:18,940 well, that just sort of endears them to me that much more 1478 01:18:18,940 --> 01:18:21,563 and it's kind of like, "Yeah, go for it 1479 01:18:21,563 --> 01:18:22,680 "Renaldo & The Loaf." 1480 01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:24,220 - To come back after that many years 1481 01:18:24,220 --> 01:18:26,336 is a testament to a friendship I think, 1482 01:18:26,336 --> 01:18:28,253 I think that's awesome. 1483 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,510 - If someone had never heard their music before 1484 01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:38,760 I would say don't be afraid. 1485 01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,060 Just go with it. 1486 01:18:40,060 --> 01:18:41,620 Just start listening to it. 1487 01:18:41,620 --> 01:18:43,350 Don't be put off, 1488 01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:44,303 just go with it. 1489 01:18:45,420 --> 01:18:49,572 - Expect something, a very unique journey, 1490 01:18:49,572 --> 01:18:51,470 a very unique audio experience. 1491 01:18:51,470 --> 01:18:54,470 - Put your prejudices aside about music, 1492 01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:56,370 listen to it with open ears 1493 01:18:58,090 --> 01:19:00,370 and try and see the originality in it 1494 01:19:01,550 --> 01:19:02,470 - The great thing is, 1495 01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:05,450 I wouldn't say start here or start there. 1496 01:19:05,450 --> 01:19:08,400 I'd say dive in and take your chance 1497 01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:12,720 because whichever album you chose to me that most fans, 1498 01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:14,070 they would be different. 1499 01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:16,260 So it's like, you know why? 1500 01:19:16,260 --> 01:19:17,700 I can't say start. 1501 01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:20,010 I know where I would start because that's where I started 1502 01:19:20,010 --> 01:19:22,210 but take your chance. 1503 01:19:22,210 --> 01:19:24,683 Like shake a dice, take your chance. 1504 01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:28,910 - In the 20th century, 1505 01:19:28,910 --> 01:19:31,320 they were not that popular, in the 21st century, 1506 01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:34,810 they might not be popular, but in the 22nd, 23rd century, 1507 01:19:34,810 --> 01:19:36,163 I think they'll be giants. 1508 01:19:37,060 --> 01:19:39,930 - So we tend to just wait and see don't we? 1509 01:19:39,930 --> 01:19:42,490 - Well, now that we're both dog owners, 1510 01:19:42,490 --> 01:19:45,530 the possibility of the 40 minutes a dog farts album 1511 01:19:45,530 --> 01:19:49,321 is possible. - It's certainly there. 1512 01:19:49,321 --> 01:19:51,276 - It almost sounds like something I would have said. 1513 01:19:51,276 --> 01:19:56,276 - Definitely. (Sheenah laughing) 1514 01:20:01,376 --> 01:20:03,143 (backwards recording) 1515 01:20:03,143 --> 01:20:05,726 (upbeat music) 1516 01:21:58,369 --> 01:22:01,952 (Brian speaking backwards gibberish) 1517 01:22:05,309 --> 01:22:07,454 (Brian laughing) 1518 01:22:07,454 --> 01:22:09,543 (Dave speaking backwards gibberish) 1519 01:22:09,543 --> 01:22:12,210 (Dave laughing) 1520 01:22:21,653 --> 01:22:24,320 (all laughing)