- Tonight, she was dealt
too much to process,
and after tonight's
"Salt Lake,"
he definitely needs
a cold compress.
It's "Watch What
Happens Live"
with Heather Gay
and Michael Rapaport now.
[cheers and applause]
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Hey, everybody, welcome to
"Watch What Happens Live."
I'm your host, Andy Cohen,
in the Bravo Clubhouse
following an
episode of
"Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City"
that was as rich
and flavorful
as a Mint Milano
plucked from Jen Shah's bag.
My first guest
makes a great living
off of her beauty
lab facility.
She could probably
rake in billions
charging entry to its
parking lot after tonight.
Please welcome Real Housewife of
Salt Lake City, Heather Gay!
Great to see you, Heather!
- Hi! Hi!
- My next guest
luxuriates in Bravo
like Meredith in
a post-Jen-Shah-arrest bath.
He is currently
on a standup tour.
You can catch him
in Phoenix next weekend.
It's Michael Rapaport!
Hey, Michael!
[cheers and applause]
We all need drinks tonight,
but tonight's bartender
needs dough.
His new book "The Joy of Pizza"
is out now.
It's Dan Richer!
Hey, Dan!
Thanks for bringing
all those pizzas, dude.
They look beautiful.
Drinking game alert--
My guests won't know it.
Any time you hear
anyone say this word,
if you're 21 or over,
drink until you no longer have
what Mary Cosby might call
"etti-quit."
Now, um, tonight's
episode was huge.
Wouldn't you say, Michael?
- Huge. Dramatic.
Listen, when that
music shifts,
when it makes
that crazy music,
and there's the flashes
and all,
you know something
crazy is happening.
And last week,
when that music shift,
you were like--
- Yeah.
- And to see the cops roll up...
- Oh, my Gosh.
- Out of this--
the back of the bus.
- It was wild.
It was all real time.
So I wanna, uh,
I wanna go through
beat by beat
tonight's episode, okay?
I want to really break it down
like we never have before,
because it's worthy of that.
- Okay.
- I've watched this thing
like the Zapruder tape, okay?
[laughter]
Um, first of all,
before we start,
who do think tipped Jen off?
Who was on the phone?
Was it her husband?
- I think it was
Coach Shah on the phone.
- Okay, who do you think?
- I think it was Coach Shah,
but I feel like when
you have the feds, NYPD,
in Salt Lake City,
which you never have NYPD,
there's no-- I don't think you
need to tip them off.
They came there
with a purpose.
I don't believe there was
tipping off. They obviously--
- No, but someone called her
on the phone and said,
"Get out of the van."
- Oh, I think that was--
I think that was Coach Shah.
- Yeah. Come home.
Get out of the van. Yeah.
Coach Shah. Yeah.
- Oh, he tipped her off.
Yes. I got it. Yes.
- Yes. Moments after
she leaves,
because it all seemed like
fairly real time tonight--
- It was all real. Yeah.
- You all had to
raid her snacks.
- Well, not me, man.
- That's Jennie.
- It was Jennie.
- I at least did
a conscientious objection,
but then I did partake.
I did partake.
- She could have been
in evidence there.
Jennie-Jennie was just, like--
- I was uncomfortable
with it from the beginning.
I really was.
- You said it's too soon, guys.
And then you were like,
"Oh, what's in there?"
Um, Lisa Barlow calling
all six of her attorneys.
What did we make of that?
Did you find that odd?
- Listen, if you need
more than two attorneys,
you need a better attorney.
That's my opinion, honestly.
Honestly, that's how
I feel about it.
- Rapaport, what did you
think of that?
- I agree.
Um, I thought it was weird.
Her-her-her-- she was
so casual, so concerned,
and then she freaked out.
She went through, like,
the whole crayon box
of emotions.
So I thought it was weird.
- The whole crayon box.
- But I don't want to skip past
Jennie with-- with the--
goin' through the snacks.
I was like, what--
- Jennie's ruthless.
Just like throwin' one back
when it all goes down.
- And Whitney became
and investigative reporter,
an expert all of a sudden.
Like, she must watch
a lot of "Cold Case."
- Whitney flexed
her-her, like, muscle, yeah.
- Whitney, uh,
I was really impressed
by her knowledge
of what Jen
was being accused of.
She explained it
in a way that, frankly,
I'm not sure I totally
had understood it in that way.
How did she know that?
- She's smart.
Whitney is so hot that people
don't realize that she's smart,
and she's into business.
That's her thing.
- Yes, I was so impressed...
- Yeah, I was, too.
- With her and Jennie
then breaking it all down.
- Yeah.
- It's capital.
I mean, that was
really interesting.
Now what about Lisa
calling her husband
and saying under her breath
that Meredith
might have, uh,
known something more?
What did you make of that?
- Well, I was just glad
that Lisa covered her mouth,
because if you cover your mouth
when you say something horrible
about your best friend,
it doesn't count,
so she just covered her lips,
and then it was just
like a free pass, you know?
She could say whatever
she wanted.
- Well, and we find out
something in next week's episode
that I don't want
to give away
that might be what
she's alluding to,
but might not,
and we'll get into that.
- Stay tuned.
- Yeah.
- Um, both Lisa and Jennie
are suspicious
of why Whitney was
so knowledgeable
about everything.
- Because Whitney's smart,
and she owns her own business.
I was-- why was Jennie
so knowledgeable
about criminal procedure?
- Why-why do you think
Whiney thought
that Lisa was acting
guilty of something?
Did you agree with that?
- Yeah.
I mean, there was
so many emotions. Yeah.
- Yeah, it was-- it was--
she was so casual,
and then the law--
like, the lawyers.
Why are you calling the lawyers?
It has nothing to do with you.
Or does it?
- She also said
she didn't buy
the internal bleeding line
from the beginning...
- Yeah.
- Which I thought
was interesting.
Um, Whitney thought that Jen
had a sugar daddy
based on her lifestyle.
That seemed like
headline news to me.
Was that something that
you two had ever discussed?
No, we'd never discussed it,
but I think that a lot of times
when there's, like,
a really beautiful woman
that seems to be living
outside of her means,
we just assume that a man
is financing it.
- That ain't-- not just
outside of her means.
Like, she's, like, livin' like
she's baller. Super baller.
- Yeah, she's over the top
for sure.
- Reaction to the footage
of the feds swarming Jen's house
and her release from prison.
- Yo, when homeboy
put the gun up like this,
and they were coming,
and they were, you know,
with the-the guns here,
and they-- the--
the zip ties,
it was like "CSI."
It was like "CSI: SLC."
- It was "CSI: SLC,"
but I felt horrible about that.
- I thought-- I thought--
I thought David Caruso
was comin' out.
- Listen, I would love
to have seen David Caruso,
'cause that guy
with the heavy artillery
marching her 15-year-old son out
and her nephew--
- Well, that was what was
really upsetting,
seeing the son and the nephew.
- It was very upsetting
to me, too.
I thought it was horrible.
- Yes. Um, now when Lisa
first called Meredith
on Face Time...
- Okay.
- She was wholly...
unfazed by the news.
What did you make of that?
- Totally unfazed.
- I have to defer
to you on that.
- I'm just gonna say
Meredith has earned
the title of "Ice Queen"
because she is...
unruffled...
- Right.
- You know, by
anything, really.
- Well, then we find Meredith,
or Mary finds Meredith,
soaking in a bubble bath.
Now this will go down
in "Housewives" history
as a real moment,
and that must have been
a long tub,
because she was still in the tub
when you all arrived,
uh, a while later.
What did you make,
both of you,
of Meredith in the tub?
- I was just shocked there was
no charcuterie plate taken out.
There was no, uh, you know,
no champagne, no nothing.
It was a long tub.
She was running out of bubbles.
Mary's sittin' there
talkin' to her
before all you guys got there.
And Mary-- and also, Andy, we-we
skipped over one of the parts.
I know it was from
the last episode.
When you turn the mic off...
- Yes, you know--
- You know it's real.
- Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- When that-- I-I--
That's, like, a moment
that'll go down in history,
because normally,
you're beefing,
or you're talking
to, uh, somebody,
but she turned that mic off,
and the music changed.
That was crazy.
- Very calmly.
I was amazed
by how calm she remained
that entire time.
If your husband or whomever
is calling and saying,
"The feds are on their way,"
I mean, she remained
very calm.
Now what about the revelation
from Meredith
about someone in Jen's posse
swiping the handbag?
Had you heard that before?
- I had not heard that before,
like, specifically,
but I, uh, knew
of this guy
and knew that he had
a kind of a history of that.
- Okay.
- I can't blame Jen for that.
- What about Meredith
sharing the rumor
about Jen being flagged
in Louis Vuitton's system
because she always
pays in cash?
- Well, I'm gonna pay
less in cash now,
because I didn't know that
that was a red flag, but--
- Yeah, I agree.
- Um, Heather,
you told the group
about how Jen left her Uber
at the side of the road.
- Yeah.
- At that moment
when that happened,
what did you think it was?
- I just thought she
still doesn't trust me.
She doesn't want me
to know, you know,
who she's leaving with
or what her plans are,
and I thought it
had to do with
probably that employee
that I was not a fan of.
I thought maybe
he was picking her up,
so she just didn't
want me to know that,
so she got in the Uber
to, you know--
- I guess the million dollar
question--
Do you think Jen is guilty?
This is for both of you.
- I-I'll say this.
Every Housewife that has
gotten in trouble
I am always behind them.
When there was Teresa,
Jo, Erika--
I-I-I'm hoping--
I am hoping that she's not.
I-I am hoping
that she's not.
I root for them because
I-I love them all.
- Yes. Heather?
- I'm hoping she's not as well,
and I think she's
kind of facing,
like, the fight
of her life,
and I'm glad that
I'm not her judge or jury.
- How will Jen react
to the episode tonight?
How will she react
to seeing
how her friends reacted
to this news.
You had some of them--
you know, Lisa--
you-you all in the van
were immediately crying,
thinking of her family.
Others were not.
What will she say
about tonight's episode?
- I think she'll be
disappointed in Lisa,
because Lisa has-- she thought
was her best friend,
but didn't really step up
to openly defend her
or, you know, really say
anything on her behalf,
so I think that'll
hurt her feelings,
and I think that she'll be--
you know, I don't know.
What do you think?
- Well, I-I--
to make light of a very
serious situation,
I thought it was really sad
that, uh,
she spent two hours
gettin' her hair did,
and her hair looked fantastic.
- Right.
[laughter]
- Her hair looked good.
- The hair looked--
The hair was on point for sure.
- Okay, I-I want to switch
gears, because, Michael,
every time you're here,
you fire off Bravo hot takes
like you're Whitney
firing off facts about
lead generation scams,
so I want to run through
some Bravo happenings
outside of Salt Lake.
We're comin' off of the big
Beverly Hills reunion.
We're comin' off part two
of "Potomac."
Let's get into
"The Rapa-Report."
Last time you were here,
you said
Erika has handled herself
with grace amid scrutiny.
After the epic
four-part reunion,
where do you stand
on Erika now?
Besides how much you love her
as a Housewife?
- Fir-first of all,
any fourth episode
of any reunion going forward
should be called "The Erika
Jayne Episode" period.
Do I think she continued
with grace? No.
Was it messy? Was it wild?
Was it crazy? Yes.
Was she under scrutiny? Yes.
Did she answer all the questions
that you threw at her? Yes.
Did she snap at you? Yes.
Was it great TV?
Damn it, yes!
- All right, um--
- Damn it, yes!
- What are you most looking
forward to Nicki Minaj coming up
in part four of-of
the "Potomac" reunion?
End of part three?
- Reading 'em each one, uh,
head to toe.
She's Nicki Minaj.
She's gonna do it better
than anybody.
- Thoughts on Garcelle
and Rinna's reconciliation?
- It was a little
over the top.
I still think she does need
to apologize to Denise.
I do. Yes.
- Okay. Uh, "Potomac"--
Do you agree
with the women--
I-- well, you and Candiace
had a beef this week.
You were subbing
on Wendy Williams.
- Yes.
- Uh, thoughts on Candiace's
defense of herself?
Uh, Karen and Giselle tonight
tried to be big sisters to her.
Didn't work.
- Didn't work.
- What'd you think?
- A-and, you know, there's--
there's ramifications.
I think that shade
is part of the show.
I talk crap.
But, uh, when you start
talking about
a woman who just
had a baby's looks,
and you start
mentioning moms,
y-y-you know, that's
why the girls are like,
"Yo, you're--" You know,
especially after last year.
By the way, RIP to T'Challa.
I mean, so that was
a terrible thing.
- Um, do you agree, uh,
with the women about Erika's
social media posts?
- Yes, Erika should dial it down
and tone it down.
But she does also
have to make money,
but I don't think she was
necessarily in her right mind.
But she does need
to chill with that.
- Thank you, Michael Rapaport!
- Yes! Yes!
- We're gonna come back
with a whole lot more.
Here's who's on the show
this week.
We are gonna be
right back.
- Nailed it, baby!
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- Welcome back to
"Watch What Happens Live."
Andy Cohen
in the Bravo Clubhouse
with one woman who can
set you up with a peel,
and another whose layers are
mostly levels of Bravo fandom.
Say hi to Real Housewife of
Salt Lake City, Heather Gay,
and Michael Rapaport!
Michael hosts the "I Am
Rapaport" stereo podcast
available on all
streaming platforms.
Over at the bar,
he's servin' us drinks
until we're all
exquisitely sauced.
It's the author of
"The Joy of Pizza" Dan Richer.
- Richer.
- Richer?
- Richer.
- Richer! Oh, my God.
My life is richer
with those pizzas.
By the way, um, my new book,
"Glitter Every Day: 365 Quotes
From Women I Love" is out now.
Uh, a couple of days ago,
the quote of the day was,
uh, Meredith Marks saying,
"I am disengaging."
Uh, did she disengage,
or did she engage tonight?
- She engaged.
She engaged.
- Yeah, she engaged.
- Drinking game reminder--
anytime you hear this word,
in honor of the green
clutch situation
on tonight's "Salt Lake,"
get half in the bag.
By the way, how did Jen
react to you saying, uh,
what you said about her business
last week on the show?
- Um, I think it was
split for her,
but she-she understands
that, like,
I've been her friend
regardless and consistently,
and I think that she
appreciates that.
- Okay. Uh, let's take questions
from our virtual fans.
Brooke and Ali
from D.C.,
what's your question
for Heather?
- Andy, we love you! We loved
seeing you in D.C. last weekend.
- Oh, yay! That was fun.
- Oh, they got the book!
- Um, our question
is for Queen Heather.
Heather, do you think
you should have done a better
job standing up for Whitney
at Mary's Italian lunch,
and do you feel that Mary
was overreacting
to those missed Face Times?
- I think Mary was definitely
overreacting
to the missed Face Times.
Whitney's a mom
and a business owner,
and she's doing
the best she can.
And, like, she's also
tough as nails,
and I felt like
she was handling it,
and, like, she understands
no one wants to step into
a Mary Cosby battle.
- Um, Mary sending her
the invitation
to dress in the slutty way
instead of--
- In the Spirit Halloween
version of a mafia woman.
- That was way out there.
Way out there.
- That was actually--
That harkens back
to Kenya wanting
Porsha to dress
as, uh, "B.A.P.S."
- Yes.
- If you recall.
- Yes. Yes.
- Yes.
- But I-I gotta say,
Mary Cosby, yo, you're--
you're out there,
but I love you.
[laughter]
I love her.
She's way out way out.
- She keeps it fresh for sure.
- She does.
- Yeah, for sure.
- Martina Ancola from Oklahoma
has a question for Michael.
- Which returning Housewife
are you excited [indistinct]?
- Sheree Whitfield
from Atlanta or--
- Sheree. Sheree.
- You're more excited about
Sheree coming back
than Heather Dubrow?
- I-I love Sheree.
I love Sheree. I-I'm not--
I'm not saying
that I'm not excited
about Heather-Heather D.,
but Sheree I'm very
excited about.
We need her in "Atlanta."
- Good, good.
And, uh, any other th--
Anything else that
jumped out at you
from tonight's "Potomac"
reunion, Michael?
- It's slicing. It's dicing.
It's cutting.
Um, the-the-the Ashley, uh,
Candiace stuff, um,
um, Wendy just being great,
you going--
the Gis-- The Giselle stuff,
I mean, i-it just
is really good.
Really good.
And four episodes.
"The Erika Jayne Episode."
- Yeah, there you go.
Um, how-- Heather,
Karen M. wants to know
"How's your relationship
with your sister
"after having her daughter
on the show while drinking
"and openly discussing her
fallout from the church?"
- We are handling it
the way that we do best,
which is we don't say
anything at all.
[laughs]
There's no--
We just don't mention it.
It's the elephant in the room.
- I-I have just
one question.
How could we not be speaking
about Jennie and her husband's
suggesting to be sister wives?
- Yes, what did--
- How far out is that?
- Listen, it's far out,
but, like, as a Mormon,
with, like, polygamist heritage,
I just think--
Listen, we're not
that weird.
If other people are doing it--
If other--
- But is there such thing
as brother--
brother, uh, husbands?
Like, maybe she says, "Yo, you
can get a sister wife--"
- Listen, I have-- I mean,
I'm looking into it.
I'm very interested.
- Really?
- Multiple husbands, one woman.
- Michael, Rosemary D. said,
"In honor of your recent
guest hosting
"'The Wendy Williams Show,'
if you had Jen Shah as a guest,
"what would be the first
question you would ask her?"
- Oh, man.
Man, I would be like,
"Are-are-are you guilty?
"And was-was Coach Shah at--
did he have internal bleeding?
"How is Coach Shah's
internal bleeding problem?"
I would ask amongst other--
many, many other things.
- In the-- by the way,
in the conversation
about Whitney thinking that
Jen Shah had a sugar daddy,
Whitney then revealed that
she had had a sugar daddy.
Did you know
this sugar daddy?
- I think her sugar daddy
was Justin.
- Oh, right.
- Listen, there's
a sugar daddy period
before she became the wife.
- Ah. Right.
- Uh, that's my theory.
- Right.
- But I-- you know--
- Michael, Sam K. wants to know
if you think Lisa's kids
were really in charge of the
Fresh Wolf event's guest list.
- No. Of course not.
[laughing]
Of course not.
- Um, The Specialista
wants to know, Heather,
are you and Rihanna friends now?
- Yeah, besties.
We're totally friends.
We hang out all the time.
- Do you DM?
- You know,
occasionally,
you know.
- Wait, wait.
Wait-wait-wait-wait,
when was the last time you DMed?
And is-is Ri-Ri watching?
- I-- I mean,
I hope Ri-Ri's watching.
I think the last time we DMed,
I, like, posted something
that was a guy
that was just like,
I just want y'all to know
it's possible,
you know, dream big.
- Michael,
Maggie H. emailed
"Which Housewife did you think
you were gonna hate in person
"but ended up being
pleasantly surprised by?"
- I've never-- I've never
came into doing the show
thinking I would
dislike a Housewife.
I'm always
excited to meet
every single one
of the Housewives.
- Sonjarita tweeted--
not our Sonja,
someone with this handle,
"Heather, do you think
"you and Lisa will
ever smooth things over?
"I think Jen was way worse
to you than Lisa."
- Mmm.
- I know that on camera--
like, on-- in the episodes
it looks like Jen's way worse
to me than Lisa, and I--
Lisa and I, um,
coexist fine, but I do think
we have fundamental differences.
- Complex Lex says
"If the charges against Jen
are true, how can you stand by
someone who defrauded people?"
- Listen, I--
- Doesn't that say something
about her character?
- Absolutely, and I--
I think it's horrible,
the things she's accused of,
but I also think it's
horrible to kick a friend
when they're down.
- All right, stick around.
After the break,
we have more with these two
and a special
Watch What Happens Five.
We'll be right back.
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- All right, welcome back to
"Watch What Happens Live."
It's Andy, here with Heather,
Michael, and Dan at the bar.
[cheering and applause]
Um, Michael,
who are you excited
to see interacting
on the upcoming Real Housewives
Ultimate Girl Trip?
Girl's Trip? Coming to Peacock.
- Oh, I mean, all--
who do we have in there?
Part two? 'Cause they did
season two already?
- Yes, we did.
But season one is--
- Who do we have?
- Kyle, Melissa,
Teresa, Luann,
Ramona, Kenya, Cynthia--
- Tere-- the-the--
Kenya and Teresa's
gonna be good.
The New York/New Jersey mix.
- Yeah.
- I'm-- I'm lookin' forward
to all of it, I can't wait.
- Okay, Nanny L. says
"Erika--" uh, "Heather,
Erika's under scrutiny
for potentially having
some knowledge of
her husband's doing.
Do you think Sharrieff
had any knowledge
of Jen's doings, and why are
these two spouses being held
to different standards?
- Because we hate
women in America.
[laughing]
- Wow.
- I mean...
- All right,
it is time for
Watch What Happens Five.
Whether or not they were heading
to Vail, each Salt Lake lady
took a journey
this evening.
So tonight I'm counting down
the Salt Lake City wives'
top five stages of processing
Jen Shah's arrest.
[chuckling]
Number five, there's panic,
as demonstrated by Lisa Barlow
calling an attorney or six.
- Can you tell me
what's going on?
Would Homeland Security
show up for that?
I mean, like, I-I--
is something bigger happening?
Should I be stressed?
I'm shaking.
- Number four is self-care.
Here are Lisa and Jenny
treating themselves.
- Who's bag is that?
- That's Jen. She left it.
- I mean, let the body
get cold first!
- I don't think
she's coming back for these.
- No, I don't think so.
- All right,
the third stage is humor,
which Heather demonstrated
when she entered
the Vail house.
- It's the feds!
- Oh!
[laughing]
- Too soon, too soon.
[laughing]
- At number two,
there's meditation
ala Meredith.
No clip, okay.
[laughing]
It speaks for itself.
And the number one stage of
processing Jen Shah's arrest
was demonstrated
by Lisa Barlow.
It's making
important conclusions.
- Today is a lot.
[scoffing]
[laughing]
- That could be a T-shirt.
- I'd buy that
self-help book, by the way.
How long was
the car ride in total?
The van ride?
- I think it was
about six hours.
- Wow.
- On winding roads
with no cell service.
It was-- it was--
it was-- we were-- we didn't
know what was happening.
- Oh, that's so interesting.
- Yeah.
- We went through backroads.
- How long after Jen got taken
did Whitney see
the news story that, uh--
that she had been arrested?
- Um, I mean, I wanna say, like,
maybe two hours?
- Mmm.
- I mean, it felt fast.
But we were for sure
on the road,
we couldn't turn around.
We were in the middle
of the mountains, yeah.
- Okay, I wanna thank Heather,
Michael, and Dan for being here.
The word of the night
was Meredith,
we said it nine times.
If you've been playing
our drinking game, no driving.
See you tomorrow night
after "Below Deck."
Go to our afterhow right now,
uh, on Twitter live.
We have a lot more to discuss.
Good night, everybody.
Great conversation.
- Love you guys.
- Loved it, loved it.
- Mwah!
[cheering and applause]
I wanna look at the audience!
I love the audience.
[cheering and applause]
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