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[Amy] He's writing out name
of the people he hates.
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He does follow people home
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and he makes people sick.
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Every single person
that I have working with me
right now
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has had something happen.
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I'm just worried that it could
follow me home,
hurt someone I love...
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[Amy] He can go anywhere
to anyone at any time.
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Not good.
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If you're okay with it,
maybe we expand
our investigation
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and do another walk.
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[Amy] I'm seeing skeletons.
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They're stacked
on top of each other.
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Body parts
were actually raining down
from the sky.
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One of the things
that I saw him doing
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-was actually eating
a human heart.
-[audience gasps]
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[Amy] He still believes
that this is his town.
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He wants it back.
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He wants the person dead.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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[groans]
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I see dead people.
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I saw a winged creature.
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I speak to dead people.
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And they speak to me.
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This person
feels like a monster.
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But there's only one way
to know if my findings
are real.
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They are sucking the life
out of these people.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve DiSchiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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So how many bodies
are we talking?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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But Steve and I never speak.
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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-You're not gonna like this.
-[gasps]
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When we uncover
if it's safe for you
to stay...
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I'm sorry.
I need to take a break.
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...or time to get out.
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It wants inside the house
'cause it wants to kill you.
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[gasps]
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[Steve] Amy and I got calle
into Flagstaff
a couple of weeks ago
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to help a business
that was struggling
with the paranormal.
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Little did we know,
at the time,
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that the entire freakin' town
was haunted.
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So we decided to stay
and expand our investigation
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and, for the first time,
try to help an entire city.
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Tonight, you'll find out
what's really going on
in your town
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and what you can do about it.
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But first, we're gonna start
from the very beginning,
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from when Amy and I
first got here.
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[Steve] I got a desperate ca
from a woman named Jessica
who runs a crystal shop
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that's been in her family
for three generations.
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But now, she's scared.
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Scared for her employees,
her customers and herself.
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It's gotten really bad.
Every single one
of my employees has a story.
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I'm afraid that everything
is gonna get worse.
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[Steve] Now she told me
activities have gotten so ba
if we can't help,
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she may have
to shut the place down.
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I hope Amy and I
can figure out how to fix it
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[car door opens]
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[Amy] I see this dead woman
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She is wearing a bride's dre
and a long veil.
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We start holding hands.
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And then she jumps up
on my back and she gets
all [bleep] evil looking
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and then I'm like, oh, damn.
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I'm like, she's [bleep]
with people.
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So she's not all good.
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So Jessica,
this is a really nice shop
you've got here
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and great little town.
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Um, what the hell's going on?
You didn't sound good
on the phone when we spoke.
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We've just been having
way too many things happening.
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And now, my staff is scared.
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So I can imagine
you're probably worried
about your customers as well.
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Absolutely. There's a lot
of very fragile, sharp things
in this store.
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So I'm definitely worried
about their safety too.
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All your employees
having experiences
or is it just you?
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Every single person
that I have working for me
right now
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has had something happen.
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What part of the store
is the worst
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for your employees
and yourself?
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I'd definitely say
it's the basement.
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-[Steve] Okay.
-[Jessica] It always feels
really creepy down there.
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There is a series of tunnels
that, kind of, connects
all of downtown...
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-Really?
-...that also connects
to our basement.
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-[Steve] Tunnels?
-Mmm-hmm.
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That's interesting.
That's something
I'm gonna look into.
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All right, so let's start
with basics.
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How long
have you owned the shop?
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It's been in my family
for 35 years.
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I was raised in the store,
raised with this business.
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So, um, it's part of who I am.
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You know,
I have two young kids.
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I want them to feel
like they're safe in here
as well.
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Okay.
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So, if you can, give me a list
of what you guys
are experiencing.
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Footsteps and voices,
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we have things
flying off the shelf.
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We always feel
like we're being watched.
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And we're seeing apparitions
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Are you having experiences
any place else but the shop?
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I have experiences
pretty much everywhere
in Flagstaff.
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[Steve] Okay,
that's interesting.
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Have you ever tried
to bring somebody in
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to try to get rid
of what's here?
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No, but I do
some of my own things.
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-Like what?
-Every single time
I walk in that door,
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I kind of say out
into the space,
"Please leave me alone."
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I also do some smudging
with white sage.
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Has the smudging
and you talking
out loud helped?
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-No.
-What are you hoping
we can do for you?
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I really wanna know
what's here,
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why they're here,
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and essentially,
how to either get rid of them
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or, at least, appease them
so that they aren't harassing
my staff on a daily basis.
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[Amy] I'm seeing
this flat looking shadow guy
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He's extremely tall,
very wide.
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He's got a hat
and a suit, very flat...
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...flat against a wall,
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a wall shadow.
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And he truly, absolutely feels
he's untouchable.
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He came and took everything
from everyone.
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He hurt and harmed so many,
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I think people have been
trying to get rid of him
for a long time.
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And ain't nothing worked.
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He's, like, kind of losing
his humanity at this point.
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This is strange.
I see him eating something.
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He's eating a [scoffs]
a human heart
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and it was, apparently,
Native American.
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He can go anywhere,
to any one, at any time.
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Not good.
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[train whistle blows]
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[Steve] What's going on here
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-Well, our basement
is right back there.
-[Steve] Okay.
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[Jessica] And it's where
most of us see apparitions
or shadow figures.
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The shadow figures,
can you describe
what it looks like?
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It doesn't really
have any shape.
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-Okay.
-It just looks
like something black
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and moving at my...
In my peripheral vision.
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Do you have any windows
in the basement
from the outside?
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-No.
-All right. So nobody can be
casting a shadow from outside?
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-No.
-Okay. So, anything else?
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Sometimes, merchandise
just flies off the shelf.
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So, I gotta ask you,
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I felt when those trains
went by here,
it's right across the street.
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-[Jessica] Mmm-hmm.
-[Steve] Is it possible
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the train's causing
some of the stuff to fall of
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No, I mean,
this building is old and it...
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But it doesn't shake
when the trains go by.
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Okay, so anything else?
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I never get migraines, ever.
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And, um, when I've been
coming into the store
these last couple of days,
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it's just been
these pulsing migraines
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that don't go away
unless I leave the building.
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[Steve] Interesting, okay.
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What are you hoping
you can get
out of this investigation?
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It's a family business.
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This business
means the world to me,
to my parents
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and I really would love
to be able to pass
this business on to my kids.
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And that I feel safe
to pass it on to them,
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so that we can continue this
for as many generations
as we can do it.
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[Amy] There's a guy.
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He seems to be recent.
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And so I think
that he used to work here.
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He's very, like, ADHD.
He's kind of like
all over the [bleep] place.
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He's making my head hurt, to
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I'm getting, like,
really sharp head pain
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um, with him.
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Uh, and I think the living,
they could get headaches
in this area.
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And also, uh, they become
very scattered up in this area
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like, they couldn't...
Can't focus, can't keep track
of their thoughts.
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People would get very,
very drained around town.
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He does do a lot
of physical stuff in here.
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He's, like, in the stuff.
He's, like, messing
with things.
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It's almost like
he's trying to, like,
interact with people.
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They might feel, like, pats
or pressure on their backs,
shoulders, arms...
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...which, I guess,
would freak them out.
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[Steve] So, Brittany, how lo
have you been working here?
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On and off
for the past three years.
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I was talking to Jessica
and it sounds
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like you guys have
a paranormal problem here.
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-You agree with that?
-I would agree with that.
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I feel like it's gotten worse,
over the years.
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So are there experiences
you could tell me about?
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Yeah. I came in to open
one morning
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and there was journals
thrown across the floor
off of one of the shelves.
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-[Steve] Okay.
-I do have a picture of that,
actually.
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[Steve] Looking at that photo,
it seems pretty aggressive.
What do you think happened?
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I feel as though
there is a ghost here
that is a man.
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-Okay.
-Um, and I think
that he is the one
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that throws things
off the shelf.
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All right. What else
can you tell me?
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The faucet turns on
in the bathroom on its own.
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Is it possible
that maybe a co-worker
just left it on by accident,
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-'cause I do it all the time.
-[Brittany] I don't think so.
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I've never had
any of the girls
leave the faucet on.
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Does it freak you out?
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It scares me, yeah.
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Okay.
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00:10:16,416 --> 00:10:17,315
[Amy whispering] Okay.
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00:10:18,118 --> 00:10:20,018
The flat dude,
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00:10:20,020 --> 00:10:23,221
I see him bothering people
around the bathroom.
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00:10:23,924 --> 00:10:26,958
I'm, like, seeing, uh, women
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use, uh, the restroom.
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00:10:28,595 --> 00:10:30,061
Very creepy.
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00:10:30,764 --> 00:10:33,698
I don't know how
they're experiencing this.
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00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:37,135
Uh, like, I don't know
if they're seeing
the shadow figure,
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or if they're feeling anything
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00:10:40,407 --> 00:10:41,439
on them?
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00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:45,577
Like, I'm hearing
the women, like,
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"Get out of here!
Get out of here!
Leave me alone.
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00:10:48,582 --> 00:10:51,416
Leave me alone.
Get out of here!
Leave me alone."
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She's very angry.
I see her hitting her legs
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and then she's saying,
"Get out of here!
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Get out of here!
Leave me alone.
Leave me alone."
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00:11:02,963 --> 00:11:04,262
[indistinct whispering]
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00:11:08,168 --> 00:11:09,968
[indistinct whispering]
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[Steve] So, Jordan,
I was talking to Jessica,
who owns the place,
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and she was saying
the staff
were pretty scared
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about the stuff
that's going on here.
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00:11:31,725 --> 00:11:35,794
Yeah. Yeah.
It's definitely been kind of
an eerie place to work.
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We've all had experiences.
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So she mentioned this basement
in particular.
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Yeah. The basement is
kind of where the most of us
don't wanna be.
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Okay, so can you tell me
about some of the experiences
you've had?
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So, the other day
I was vacuuming.
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And I went to go forward
and, all of a sudden,
I was stuck in place
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like someone was holding it
from behind me.
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Can you show me
how tough it was for you to...
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All right, so,
give me your arm.
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00:12:00,487 --> 00:12:02,320
Oh! Okay,
so it was pretty strong.
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It was significantly, like,
not moving.
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00:12:05,692 --> 00:12:08,560
Sometimes the brush
on the vacuum can get stuck
on the fibers
235
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in the rug,
was that what happened
with the...
236
00:12:10,664 --> 00:12:13,898
Well, we do have carpet,
but I was doing the wood
at this time.
237
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-[Steve] Okay, so--
-So it wasn't getting stuck.
238
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Okay. So anything else?
239
00:12:17,203 --> 00:12:18,703
[Jordan] When I was down here,
240
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um, I saw, like,
a reflection of, like,
a shadow behind me.
241
00:12:22,709 --> 00:12:26,611
It felt very, like,
engulfing, like,
just all around me.
242
00:12:26,613 --> 00:12:28,413
All right. You must have
crapped yourself, I mean--
243
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I was terrified
when that happened.
244
00:12:30,851 --> 00:12:32,984
What do you think
whatever's here wants?
245
00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,051
It wants its space back.
246
00:12:34,053 --> 00:12:36,421
It wants, maybe even,
like, revenge.
247
00:12:36,423 --> 00:12:38,056
-It just--
-[Steve] Hmm.
248
00:12:38,058 --> 00:12:41,993
-We're not welcome here
by that particular spirit.
-[Steve] Okay.
249
00:12:48,602 --> 00:12:50,368
[Amy] I don't wanna
go down there.
250
00:12:50,436 --> 00:12:53,638
Okay. I don't honestly know
why I'm hesitant.
251
00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,974
I just felt a press.
252
00:12:56,510 --> 00:12:59,844
I don't like it, though,
I don't like it.
253
00:12:59,846 --> 00:13:04,048
The flat looking shadow guy
hates when people
come down here.
254
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He's malignant. He tries to.
255
00:13:07,020 --> 00:13:08,787
...cause problems.
256
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Anybody he doesn't like,
257
00:13:10,991 --> 00:13:13,224
he tries to take them down.
258
00:13:14,795 --> 00:13:16,728
He can push people.
259
00:13:16,730 --> 00:13:19,998
And he's like, pushing people
the [bleep] out of here.
260
00:13:22,969 --> 00:13:26,471
When he's in this area,
he likes to hang out
down here.
261
00:13:26,506 --> 00:13:28,540
And he, like, plots and plans.
262
00:13:28,542 --> 00:13:30,842
He's writing out names
of people he hates,
263
00:13:30,844 --> 00:13:33,611
people he wants to do harm t
that's what he does,
264
00:13:33,613 --> 00:13:37,415
he does that wide circle,
a little wide circle.
265
00:13:37,417 --> 00:13:40,985
And I think this might be
one of the [bleep] places.
266
00:13:50,964 --> 00:13:54,933
So Adalyn, Jessica was saying
there's a lot of paranormal
activity in the shop.
267
00:13:54,935 --> 00:13:55,633
-Now, do you agree with that?
-Yes.
268
00:13:55,702 --> 00:13:57,535
-For sure.
-Okay.
269
00:13:57,537 --> 00:13:59,771
-So you've had experiences,
obviously, right?
-Mmm-hmm.
270
00:13:59,773 --> 00:14:02,941
I just feel watched
all the time.
271
00:14:02,943 --> 00:14:05,343
How does it feel to you,
what kind of feeling is it?
272
00:14:05,411 --> 00:14:09,614
It's just like
someone is boring their eyes
into the back of your head.
273
00:14:09,682 --> 00:14:13,418
Feels like someone
wants me to know
that they're there.
274
00:14:13,420 --> 00:14:15,620
-Okay. Is it intimidating
for you?
-[Adalyn] Yes.
275
00:14:15,622 --> 00:14:19,657
It's very scary
and makes me
not want to be down here.
276
00:14:19,726 --> 00:14:21,926
All right, so is there
anything else?
277
00:14:21,928 --> 00:14:25,430
Awful feeling of sickness
that I get
when I'm down here.
278
00:14:25,432 --> 00:14:26,631
All right.
Describe the feeling for me.
279
00:14:26,699 --> 00:14:28,700
Where my heart
drops to my stomach,
280
00:14:28,702 --> 00:14:31,903
it's dread, it makes me
feel like I'm gonna throw up.
281
00:14:31,905 --> 00:14:33,738
So there's a lot of activity
in this place.
282
00:14:33,740 --> 00:14:36,608
Uh, do you think it's possible
somebody can get hurt
from it?
283
00:14:36,610 --> 00:14:40,311
I would just worry
that if the spirit
did get angry,
284
00:14:40,313 --> 00:14:43,848
that it could follow me home,
hurt someone I love,
285
00:14:43,917 --> 00:14:47,151
or just get mad enough
to the point
where things get ugly.
286
00:14:48,188 --> 00:14:49,186
Okay.
287
00:14:51,625 --> 00:14:54,359
The flat looking shadow guy
did feel like,
288
00:14:54,361 --> 00:14:56,861
uh, that people had seen him.
289
00:14:56,863 --> 00:15:01,132
You know, 'cause
when he's in the shadow form,
he's this big guy.
290
00:15:03,803 --> 00:15:05,270
He don't wanna be bothered.
291
00:15:05,272 --> 00:15:07,906
And he does get
all [bleep] psycho.
292
00:15:07,941 --> 00:15:11,342
I think he goes to other
[bleep] places that he thinks
he [bleep] owns.
293
00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:15,480
He does follow people home.
294
00:15:15,548 --> 00:15:19,050
And he makes people sick.
295
00:15:19,052 --> 00:15:23,354
And he will go home with them.
He will make them sicker
and sicker and sicker.
296
00:15:24,024 --> 00:15:25,423
I don't feel good. [gasps]
297
00:15:29,262 --> 00:15:30,328
[indistinct whispering]
298
00:15:34,401 --> 00:15:36,034
[indistinct whispering]
299
00:15:38,672 --> 00:15:41,472
[Steve] So, Jessica's busine
is in an older building.
300
00:15:41,541 --> 00:15:43,408
Figured there had
to be some history to it.
301
00:15:43,476 --> 00:15:48,413
Turns out,
one of the original owners
was a controversial guy.
302
00:15:48,415 --> 00:15:51,616
I'm heading over
to meet a local professor
who tells me he lived fast,
303
00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:52,883
died young,
304
00:15:52,885 --> 00:15:55,987
and made a lot of money
and enemies along the way.
305
00:16:00,860 --> 00:16:02,527
[Steve] Well, Professor,
thanks for helping me out
with this case.
306
00:16:02,529 --> 00:16:03,828
I appreciate it.
307
00:16:03,830 --> 00:16:05,997
Let's start at the top.
What do we know
about this guy?
308
00:16:05,999 --> 00:16:07,298
So his name is James Vail.
309
00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:10,335
And he came here from Ohio
in the early 1880s.
310
00:16:10,337 --> 00:16:14,539
He was just in his twenties
and he ends up
becoming a bartender
311
00:16:14,607 --> 00:16:19,243
at the saloon that's located
right on the same premises
as your client's business.
312
00:16:19,245 --> 00:16:22,113
So it was a saloon
at one point
and he worked there.
313
00:16:22,115 --> 00:16:23,247
Exactly.
314
00:16:23,249 --> 00:16:24,582
So now, you mentioned
on the phone, Professor,
315
00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:27,919
this kid made a lot of money,
um, how'd he do that
bartending?
316
00:16:27,921 --> 00:16:30,655
Well, James Vail took a gamble
and he bought the saloon.
317
00:16:30,723 --> 00:16:32,824
And that went really well
for a while
318
00:16:32,826 --> 00:16:35,493
until a big tragedy broke out
across the town.
319
00:16:35,495 --> 00:16:37,462
Okay, so the tragedy.
What happened?
320
00:16:37,464 --> 00:16:40,865
So, in 1888,
there was a huge fire
across Flagstaff,
321
00:16:40,933 --> 00:16:42,900
and so many of the buildings
were made out of wood.
322
00:16:42,902 --> 00:16:44,769
And a lot of them burned down.
323
00:16:44,771 --> 00:16:46,971
And James Vail's salon
was one of them.
324
00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:48,039
-Okay.
-But he didn't give up.
325
00:16:48,107 --> 00:16:51,042
And so he rebuilt the salon
out of brick.
326
00:16:51,044 --> 00:16:52,276
You can see it right here.
327
00:16:54,414 --> 00:16:55,980
[Steve] The building looks
a little different now.
328
00:16:55,982 --> 00:16:57,515
[Karen] Right,
so some of the bricks
329
00:16:57,583 --> 00:16:59,984
were stuccoed over
in the 1930s.
330
00:16:59,986 --> 00:17:01,853
-But it's original bricks
still?
-Exactly.
331
00:17:01,855 --> 00:17:03,254
Wow. Okay.
332
00:17:05,625 --> 00:17:08,559
[Amy] I saw some fire.
333
00:17:08,561 --> 00:17:11,596
I think it's residual,
this place.
334
00:17:11,598 --> 00:17:17,568
It was much, much smaller.
Some kind of like store,
way back in the day.
335
00:17:17,637 --> 00:17:20,705
So, in this area
I'm feeling, like,
a lot of this panic.
336
00:17:20,707 --> 00:17:23,808
I'm feeling...
I'm hearing people yelling.
337
00:17:23,843 --> 00:17:28,146
And then I'm seeing,
like, the walls closing in.
338
00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,188
All right, so this James Vail
kid, rebuilds his business
after this tragic fire.
339
00:17:37,256 --> 00:17:38,789
How does it go after that?
340
00:17:38,791 --> 00:17:42,460
He does a lot better
after he adds a brothel
to the saloon as well.
341
00:17:42,462 --> 00:17:44,829
-Okay.
-I'm sure that didn't
go over well
342
00:17:44,831 --> 00:17:46,998
with some of the conservative
folks in town.
343
00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:48,399
But he does really well.
344
00:17:48,434 --> 00:17:49,600
He makes a lot of money,
345
00:17:49,602 --> 00:17:52,503
and is able to buy
a lot of real estate
around town,
346
00:17:52,505 --> 00:17:53,871
including a cattle ranch.
347
00:17:53,873 --> 00:17:58,376
So now he's got a ranch,
and the bar,
and the whorehouse. Okay.
348
00:17:58,444 --> 00:18:00,678
So, now Professor,
you told me on the phone,
this kid died young.
349
00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,313
I mean, what happened?
350
00:18:02,315 --> 00:18:05,383
Things start to go
really bad in 1905.
351
00:18:05,385 --> 00:18:07,952
He's out on his ranch,
during the summer.
He's in a wagon.
352
00:18:07,954 --> 00:18:10,721
And he gets thrown
from the wagon
by his horses.
353
00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:12,990
He hits the ground,
breaks his leg.
354
00:18:12,992 --> 00:18:14,459
And so he's able
to keep the leg,
355
00:18:14,494 --> 00:18:18,463
but he is permanently disabled
in a lot of pain.
356
00:18:18,465 --> 00:18:21,532
All right, so he's got this
bad injury and he's disabled,
357
00:18:21,534 --> 00:18:23,568
-but that's not what
killed him, right?
-That's right.
358
00:18:23,636 --> 00:18:27,371
On April 3rd, 1906,
he goes downtown,
359
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,408
-buys a .45 revolver,
buys some bullets...
-[Steve] Okay.
360
00:18:30,410 --> 00:18:31,742
...returns back to his ranch.
361
00:18:31,744 --> 00:18:35,913
And just before high noon,
a shot rings out.
362
00:18:35,915 --> 00:18:40,952
And they find James Vail dead,
with a bullet hole
in the head.
363
00:18:41,087 --> 00:18:42,887
He was just 45 years old.
364
00:18:42,922 --> 00:18:44,889
[Steve]
Why would he kill himself?
365
00:18:44,891 --> 00:18:46,924
I think the pain
was just too much for him.
366
00:18:46,926 --> 00:18:49,827
And I don't think
he saw a way out.
367
00:18:49,829 --> 00:18:50,928
Well, you know, when it comes
to suicide,
368
00:18:50,997 --> 00:18:53,097
nobody knows what's going
through people's heads.
369
00:18:55,101 --> 00:18:58,136
[Amy] This flat looking
shadow guy is down here
a lot.
370
00:19:00,807 --> 00:19:02,140
[man speaking]
371
00:19:02,175 --> 00:19:06,077
Something like Jack.
I think this guy
372
00:19:06,679 --> 00:19:09,747
owned a lot around here.
373
00:19:09,749 --> 00:19:12,783
And I think he did
really bad [bleep].
374
00:19:12,785 --> 00:19:16,354
I think, this might have bee
one of the places he owned.
375
00:19:16,356 --> 00:19:18,189
Or land he owned originally
376
00:19:18,191 --> 00:19:22,426
And I think, he thinks
he still does.
He wants it back.
377
00:19:25,465 --> 00:19:26,998
[Steve] So far I have a clie
who's worried sick
378
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,600
over the safety
of her employees
and customers,
379
00:19:29,602 --> 00:19:33,905
on a property that was once
owned by a shady businessman
who committed suicide.
380
00:19:33,907 --> 00:19:36,140
But I wanna see
if there's anything else.
381
00:19:37,310 --> 00:19:40,645
Searching through old record
I find out Jessica was right
382
00:19:40,647 --> 00:19:43,381
There really are tunnels
running beneath downtown
Flagstaff.
383
00:19:43,383 --> 00:19:47,185
In fact, they run right
underneath her shop.
384
00:19:47,187 --> 00:19:50,655
I'm heading over
to meet a woman who made
a documentary about them.
385
00:19:50,657 --> 00:19:54,392
[Nikki] These tunnels
are used as infrastructure
for the city.
386
00:19:54,460 --> 00:19:57,128
[Steve] She tells me
there were a lot of rumors
and myths about these tunnel
387
00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:59,230
And she wants to set
the record straight.
388
00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:06,504
[Steve]
So, Nikki thanks for helpin
me out in my investigation.
389
00:20:06,572 --> 00:20:08,539
These tunnels.
I mean, what's the story
with them?
390
00:20:08,541 --> 00:20:11,943
They run throughout
the downtown area,
here in Flagstaff.
391
00:20:11,945 --> 00:20:15,846
-[Steve] Okay.
-And they connect several
businesses to one another.
392
00:20:15,848 --> 00:20:17,582
All right.
So, when were they built?
393
00:20:17,650 --> 00:20:20,484
They were built actually
in the late 1800s.
394
00:20:20,486 --> 00:20:22,720
Some of the tunnels
were used as dean tunnels.
395
00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:25,790
They were only
about 2 to 2.5 feet wide.
396
00:20:25,792 --> 00:20:28,626
And the steam would then heat
the businesses downtown.
397
00:20:28,628 --> 00:20:31,829
Okay. So now, what were
the other tunnels used for?
398
00:20:31,831 --> 00:20:33,598
This is actually where
it gets a little bit
interesting
399
00:20:33,666 --> 00:20:36,834
because some of the tunnels
were used as passageways.
400
00:20:36,836 --> 00:20:39,837
So you could get
from one business
to the other.
401
00:20:39,905 --> 00:20:41,872
But there are actually
a lot of rumors around town
402
00:20:41,874 --> 00:20:44,542
of what actually went
on down there.
403
00:20:44,544 --> 00:20:46,744
Okay, now you've piqued
my interest. Like what?
404
00:20:46,746 --> 00:20:49,714
There was actually a rumor
of some illegal card games.
405
00:20:49,782 --> 00:20:52,383
And any time the police
would come to raid it,
406
00:20:52,451 --> 00:20:55,686
the owner would push
a button, and they would
escape.
407
00:20:55,688 --> 00:20:57,655
Okay. So, any evidence
of that?
408
00:20:57,657 --> 00:21:01,592
That's really just
a local myth, so there's
absolutely no evidence.
409
00:21:01,661 --> 00:21:03,894
All right, so these bigger
tunnels, are they being
used at all?
410
00:21:03,963 --> 00:21:05,663
In the '90s,
Flagstaff actually did
411
00:21:05,665 --> 00:21:08,366
a renovation
of the downtown area,
412
00:21:08,401 --> 00:21:10,801
-which meant they sealed up
a lot of the tunnels.
-Okay.
413
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:13,004
[Nikki] But some of them
are actually still used today
414
00:21:13,006 --> 00:21:14,705
for utility purposes.
415
00:21:14,707 --> 00:21:16,807
All right, so what
are the chances
I can get down
416
00:21:16,809 --> 00:21:17,875
and may see these tunnels.
417
00:21:17,877 --> 00:21:19,610
[Nikki] You actually can't
get down there anymore.
418
00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:22,146
It's actually pretty unsafe,
so I wouldn't recommend
going down there.
419
00:21:22,148 --> 00:21:23,981
[Steve]
Okay, which makes sense.
420
00:21:24,017 --> 00:21:26,717
Well, I appreciate you
helping me because now
I can tell facts from fiction
421
00:21:26,786 --> 00:21:28,386
when it comes
to these tunnels.
422
00:21:30,723 --> 00:21:34,425
[Amy] The flat shadow guy
is not alone down here.
423
00:21:34,427 --> 00:21:36,794
There's a really weird looki
thing with him.
424
00:21:36,796 --> 00:21:38,696
This is like they come
and go through here.
425
00:21:38,698 --> 00:21:41,032
They come and go
through here. Okay, okay.
426
00:21:41,968 --> 00:21:44,769
There's, like, walkways
or something.
427
00:21:44,837 --> 00:21:46,304
So there's somewhere
they go there.
428
00:21:46,306 --> 00:21:48,572
There's somewhere they
go there.
429
00:21:48,574 --> 00:21:51,309
[sighs in exasperation]
There's a lot
going on down here.
430
00:21:51,744 --> 00:21:54,412
I'm also seeing...
I am seeing bodies.
431
00:21:54,414 --> 00:21:58,282
I'm seeing skeletons. Okay.
And they're, like, stacked.
432
00:21:59,018 --> 00:22:01,185
They're stacked
on top of each other.
433
00:22:01,754 --> 00:22:03,387
I'm, like, scared.
434
00:22:07,694 --> 00:22:08,959
[indistinct whispering]
435
00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:14,332
[indistinct whispering]
436
00:22:18,705 --> 00:22:21,505
[Steve] Word got out
that we're investigating
Jessica's crystal shop.
437
00:22:21,507 --> 00:22:24,675
Ever since then,
my phone's been blowing up.
438
00:22:24,677 --> 00:22:27,712
A bunch of locals
are begging to meet
with me.
439
00:22:27,714 --> 00:22:29,714
I've told them to meet me
at a local bar,
440
00:22:29,716 --> 00:22:31,449
so they could tell me
what the hell's
going on in this town.
441
00:22:31,451 --> 00:22:33,417
[indistinct conversation]
442
00:22:33,419 --> 00:22:37,388
I own Victorian Moon
Antiques, uh, here
in downtown Flagstaff.
443
00:22:37,390 --> 00:22:38,856
So I know you wanted
to talk to me
444
00:22:38,858 --> 00:22:40,825
about some of the paranormal
stuff that's been going on.
445
00:22:40,827 --> 00:22:44,862
Yeah. I see shadow figures
all the time.
446
00:22:44,864 --> 00:22:46,864
So where are you seeing
these shadow figures?
447
00:22:46,866 --> 00:22:51,736
I see them at my shop.
I see them at home.
448
00:22:51,738 --> 00:22:53,304
I see them around town.
449
00:22:53,339 --> 00:22:55,272
[Steve] The next thing I kne
450
00:22:55,274 --> 00:22:58,976
more and more people starte
telling me they're seeing
things they can't explain.
451
00:22:59,044 --> 00:23:01,712
I'm a bartender
in one of the breweries
here in town.
452
00:23:01,714 --> 00:23:03,481
So what are you experiencing?
453
00:23:03,549 --> 00:23:05,583
I'm seeing shadow figures
around town.
454
00:23:05,585 --> 00:23:08,586
You getting any kind of vibe
off these shadow figures
you're seeing?
455
00:23:08,588 --> 00:23:10,287
Um, well, it makes me anxious.
A little nervous.
456
00:23:10,356 --> 00:23:12,857
Feels like there could be
some bad intent behind it.
457
00:23:12,859 --> 00:23:15,559
[Steve] Now, seeing
shadow figures is one thing
I get that a lot.
458
00:23:15,628 --> 00:23:18,763
But what this local saw,
really surprised me.
459
00:23:18,831 --> 00:23:20,765
I was in the basement
of the Downtown Diner.
460
00:23:20,767 --> 00:23:22,600
And I saw a head.
461
00:23:22,668 --> 00:23:24,769
-[Steve] Just a head?
-[woman] Just a head.
462
00:23:24,771 --> 00:23:26,404
And it was just
kind of like a floating head?
463
00:23:26,406 --> 00:23:28,572
Yeah. It didn't have anybody.
464
00:23:28,574 --> 00:23:35,012
It had very, like,
pale-ish skin, had very long
dark hair, very big head.
465
00:23:35,014 --> 00:23:40,551
And to me, it just had
a very eerie, whole presence
to its face.
466
00:23:40,586 --> 00:23:42,586
So when you saw
this large head,
467
00:23:42,588 --> 00:23:44,555
I mean, did you freeze
or what'd you do?
468
00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:47,258
I looked at it
and I just ran away.
469
00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:50,327
I ran right out of the diner.
I freaked out.
470
00:23:50,329 --> 00:23:52,129
Okay.
471
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:57,802
[Amy] That strange looking
thing from the basement
goes all over town.
472
00:23:57,804 --> 00:23:59,737
I'm trying to follow it.
473
00:23:59,805 --> 00:24:02,106
It's telling me
it's here to help.
474
00:24:02,108 --> 00:24:04,775
But I don't know
if I believe it.
475
00:24:04,777 --> 00:24:07,511
[Matthew] Are people seeing
this any way?
476
00:24:07,547 --> 00:24:09,547
[Amy] It can change
into any form
477
00:24:09,549 --> 00:24:11,982
and has been mistaken
for other things.
478
00:24:12,051 --> 00:24:14,385
And then, people are
freaking out.
479
00:24:14,954 --> 00:24:16,253
A lot of panic.
480
00:24:19,058 --> 00:24:20,891
[Steve]
I spent the whole night
at the bar,
481
00:24:20,893 --> 00:24:24,428
with one local after anothe
coming by to tell
their bizarre stories.
482
00:24:24,430 --> 00:24:26,096
[woman] I was at work once.
483
00:24:26,098 --> 00:24:31,535
And the bathroom door
opened and slammed
just completely on its own.
484
00:24:31,537 --> 00:24:34,071
So it really freaked me out.
485
00:24:34,073 --> 00:24:36,574
[Steve] The more I heard,
the more concerned I got.
486
00:24:36,576 --> 00:24:38,742
I run a tour company in town.
487
00:24:38,744 --> 00:24:43,380
Ten years ago, I was spending
the night at one
of the hotels downtown,
488
00:24:43,449 --> 00:24:46,517
and I woke up in the middle
of the night feeling
like I was being choked.
489
00:24:46,585 --> 00:24:48,052
I was just gasping for air,
490
00:24:48,054 --> 00:24:50,888
and I don't have asthma
or anything and I just
could not breathe.
491
00:24:50,923 --> 00:24:52,690
Did you think
whatever it was,
was trying to kill you?
492
00:24:52,758 --> 00:24:53,657
You know, I did.
493
00:24:53,659 --> 00:24:55,125
[Steve] One thing is clear
to me.
494
00:24:55,127 --> 00:24:58,896
Just about everyone
in Flagstaff is having
experiences.
495
00:24:58,898 --> 00:25:01,165
And they're relieved
to finally get a chance
to talk about it.
496
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,733
I work at the local theater.
497
00:25:02,735 --> 00:25:05,836
So you have experience
you wanna tell me about.
Uh, what do you have?
498
00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:09,607
There's a dark energy
at the theater,
in the basement.
499
00:25:09,609 --> 00:25:11,842
So, can you describe
this feeling for me?
500
00:25:11,878 --> 00:25:14,545
Just feels angry,
like we're not wanted there.
501
00:25:14,547 --> 00:25:16,413
So, with all the activity
that's going on
502
00:25:16,415 --> 00:25:18,282
in town, do you think
somebody can get hurt?
503
00:25:18,751 --> 00:25:20,084
I do.
504
00:25:21,554 --> 00:25:23,187
[Amy] So that thing...
505
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:27,525
He says he comes in here
and he's helping people.
506
00:25:27,527 --> 00:25:31,295
Oh, he's helping people
with the past, the present,
what's going on now.
507
00:25:31,964 --> 00:25:34,031
What kind of time frame
are we talking about?
508
00:25:34,033 --> 00:25:36,233
It says it's been here
forever.
509
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:38,636
It's not from the Earth.
510
00:25:38,638 --> 00:25:41,972
Initially, when I saw it,
it was outside in the stars.
511
00:25:41,974 --> 00:25:44,375
You know, I think
it's pretty immense.
512
00:25:44,443 --> 00:25:47,378
-So, it's not just here.
-No, God no.
513
00:25:47,446 --> 00:25:50,614
So does this thing operate
on a global scale?
514
00:25:50,683 --> 00:25:54,351
[Amy] No. Just Flagstaff.
515
00:25:56,722 --> 00:26:00,925
Mm-mm, no. It's this...
It's this area.
For sure, yeah.
516
00:26:00,927 --> 00:26:05,229
[Steve] We were called in
to investigate activity
at a small family-run shop.
517
00:26:05,231 --> 00:26:07,765
But it sounds to me
like the whole freaking tow
is haunted.
518
00:26:07,767 --> 00:26:12,036
So I don't like doing it,
but I've gotta break
the rules this time.
519
00:26:17,843 --> 00:26:19,810
[Steve] Hey, thanks
for meeting with me.
I appreciate it.
520
00:26:19,812 --> 00:26:22,613
So, [exhales sharply]
you know I haven't broken
protocol in years.
521
00:26:22,615 --> 00:26:25,950
But we came to do
this one location
522
00:26:25,952 --> 00:26:28,619
and people are coming
up to me one after the other
after the other,
523
00:26:28,687 --> 00:26:31,922
telling me how
there's activity
throughout the whole downtown.
524
00:26:31,958 --> 00:26:38,329
Yeah, I did get two things
that might be affecting
525
00:26:38,364 --> 00:26:39,563
-the entire town.
-Really?
526
00:26:39,632 --> 00:26:43,634
-[Amy] Yeah.
-So, I'm thinking,
if you're okay with it,
527
00:26:43,636 --> 00:26:46,503
maybe we expand
our investigation
and do another walk.
528
00:26:46,505 --> 00:26:48,872
-Okay.
-You down with that?
529
00:26:48,908 --> 00:26:51,675
-Yeah. I'm absolutely open
to doing that.
-[Steve] All right. Cool.
530
00:26:51,711 --> 00:26:53,410
Just be careful
'cause it sounds like
531
00:26:53,412 --> 00:26:55,746
the whole freaking place
is haunted.
532
00:26:55,748 --> 00:26:58,015
And you never know
what you're gonna
come up against.
533
00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:02,252
[indistinct whispering]
534
00:27:06,292 --> 00:27:08,058
[indistinct whispering]
535
00:27:11,297 --> 00:27:14,264
[Steve] As soon as Amy and
decide to expand
our investigation,
536
00:27:14,333 --> 00:27:18,502
I got a call from a guy
who works at the Flagstaff
Visitor Center.
537
00:27:18,504 --> 00:27:21,839
He heard I had been talking
to the locals
about the paranormal activit
538
00:27:21,874 --> 00:27:25,275
and said I have no idea
just how bad things are.
539
00:27:34,687 --> 00:27:36,920
[Steve] So, Joshua,
when we spoke
on the phone,
540
00:27:36,922 --> 00:27:38,722
you sounded pretty adamant
about talking to me.
541
00:27:38,791 --> 00:27:40,290
Uh, what the hell's going on?
542
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,326
We're getting all kinds
of stories,
543
00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:45,796
uh, from all the different
locations that we send
our visitors out to.
544
00:27:45,798 --> 00:27:48,832
And some people are afraid
to work in certain places.
545
00:27:48,901 --> 00:27:51,635
Some people may be afraid
to come visit us.
546
00:27:51,637 --> 00:27:54,071
I hope you can figure out
what's here,
547
00:27:54,073 --> 00:27:56,640
and what we can do
to keep everybody safe.
548
00:27:56,709 --> 00:27:58,742
Have you had experiences
in town?
549
00:27:58,811 --> 00:28:00,577
I have had, uh,
many experiences
here in town.
550
00:28:00,579 --> 00:28:01,912
-You have?
-I have.
551
00:28:01,914 --> 00:28:05,115
At the Visitor Center, uh,
we have a basement
and an attic.
552
00:28:05,117 --> 00:28:07,384
It always feels like
someone's watching you.
553
00:28:07,753 --> 00:28:08,719
Okay, so anything else?
554
00:28:08,721 --> 00:28:11,755
We had a employee
at the Visitor Center
555
00:28:11,757 --> 00:28:14,825
report getting locked
in the basement.
556
00:28:14,827 --> 00:28:15,959
So what do you think
happened with this lock?
557
00:28:15,961 --> 00:28:19,196
I've myself many times
have tried to debunk
558
00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:20,731
how it would lock
from the inside.
559
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:23,367
And that door does not lock
from the inside.
560
00:28:23,402 --> 00:28:26,236
I believe something
was holding the door closed.
561
00:28:26,939 --> 00:28:28,272
It scared me pretty good.
562
00:28:28,274 --> 00:28:31,008
[Steve]
It seems this entire town
is haunted.
563
00:28:31,010 --> 00:28:33,610
Is there any other place
in town that sounds good
to check out?
564
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:37,481
A lot of stories, uh,
out of the Orpheum Theater.
565
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:39,650
[Steve] What are you hoping
we can do for you?
566
00:28:39,685 --> 00:28:42,553
When people come here
and visit, we want them
to be safe.
567
00:28:42,621 --> 00:28:45,155
You know, we really wanna
make sure that when
our guests come,
568
00:28:45,157 --> 00:28:47,991
that we can send them out
to these places,
569
00:28:47,993 --> 00:28:52,229
and there's nothing
that's going to attach
to them or go home with them.
570
00:29:02,608 --> 00:29:03,706
[car door opens]
571
00:29:03,708 --> 00:29:05,576
[Amy] I saw two things
on my first walk
572
00:29:05,644 --> 00:29:08,479
that I believe are affecting
the entire town.
573
00:29:08,514 --> 00:29:12,349
Tonight, I'm going to see
if that's really the case.
574
00:29:12,351 --> 00:29:16,687
The same alien thing
that I got on my first walk
575
00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:19,089
showed up covered in leaves
576
00:29:24,864 --> 00:29:27,331
The flat looking shadow guy
is out here too.
577
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:29,533
[Matthew] What exactly
does he want?
578
00:29:29,535 --> 00:29:35,005
He wants his places back.
579
00:29:36,075 --> 00:29:37,441
[Matthew] What does that mean
to the living?
580
00:29:37,443 --> 00:29:41,245
That he tries to get them out.
581
00:29:41,313 --> 00:29:43,380
[Matthew] So he wants to get
everything back
that he had loaned?
582
00:29:43,382 --> 00:29:45,282
Yes.
583
00:29:53,292 --> 00:29:55,959
[Steve] Well, Susan.
Thanks for meeting with me.
I appreciate that.
584
00:29:55,961 --> 00:29:58,695
So, [exhales sharply]
this is a really cool venue
you have here.
585
00:29:58,764 --> 00:29:59,663
How old is this building?
586
00:29:59,665 --> 00:30:01,598
-So, it was built
in 1911.
-Wow.
587
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,834
-Okay.
-Operated
as a cinematic house.
588
00:30:03,902 --> 00:30:07,604
And then,
in the winter of 1915,
due to a huge snowstorm,
589
00:30:07,606 --> 00:30:09,773
the whole roof collapsed,
destroyed the building.
590
00:30:09,775 --> 00:30:12,843
And so it had to be rebuilt
in 1917.
591
00:30:12,845 --> 00:30:15,279
So, I'm investigating
paranormal activity
592
00:30:15,347 --> 00:30:17,981
throughout the whole downtown
area here.
593
00:30:17,983 --> 00:30:20,651
Spoke to Joshua, and he said
you guys are having issues
as well. Is that true?
594
00:30:20,653 --> 00:30:22,052
That is correct, yes.
595
00:30:22,054 --> 00:30:23,487
Are there any experiences
you could tell me about?
596
00:30:23,489 --> 00:30:28,826
Yeah, um, I tend to see
shadowy figures
from time to time.
597
00:30:28,861 --> 00:30:31,829
I would see them
up in the curtains, and the
up into the balcony.
598
00:30:31,831 --> 00:30:32,796
Okay, what do they look like?
599
00:30:32,798 --> 00:30:34,698
They look human-like,
600
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:37,901
but more kind of shadowy
and moving quickly.
601
00:30:37,937 --> 00:30:39,202
[Steve] Okay,
so anything else?
602
00:30:39,204 --> 00:30:42,873
Sometimes, these lights
up in the truss would come on.
603
00:30:42,875 --> 00:30:44,408
-[Steve] By themselves?
-[Susan] Yes.
604
00:30:44,410 --> 00:30:45,809
Do you think somebody
broke in?
605
00:30:45,878 --> 00:30:49,446
No [sighs]
because nobody would have
known how to turn them on.
606
00:30:49,448 --> 00:30:51,715
-Okay.
-It's run through our
computerized lighting tracks.
607
00:30:51,783 --> 00:30:54,818
So, it seems everywhere I go,
everybody's had
an experience.
608
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:57,020
-I mean, it sounds like
the whole town is haunted.
-Mmm-hmm.
609
00:30:57,089 --> 00:30:59,356
-Do you think so?
-I definitely do.
610
00:30:59,424 --> 00:31:03,026
I mean it has a long history
and I've have heard
a lot of stories as well.
611
00:31:03,061 --> 00:31:06,263
So I do think the town
has a haunted history
and culture.
612
00:31:08,334 --> 00:31:11,034
[Amy] I'm seeing that woman
who's dressed
like a bride again.
613
00:31:12,638 --> 00:31:15,839
Okay, so apparently
she spends a lot of time her
614
00:31:15,908 --> 00:31:19,142
So I'm getting
that she causes
a lot of problems
615
00:31:19,545 --> 00:31:22,746
with people on the stage.
616
00:31:22,781 --> 00:31:25,382
She... She... She... She...
She's very upset.
617
00:31:26,585 --> 00:31:29,253
She does a lot
of bad things here.
618
00:31:29,688 --> 00:31:32,956
She, uh, is climbing
on their backs.
619
00:31:33,025 --> 00:31:37,261
I wonder, if they feel her,
uh... Literally a weight,
620
00:31:37,329 --> 00:31:39,897
uh, uh, on their shoulders.
621
00:31:39,899 --> 00:31:44,701
All of a sudden, feeling like
something really heavy
slammed onto them.
622
00:31:44,703 --> 00:31:48,071
She can affect,
uh, electricity,
623
00:31:48,106 --> 00:31:50,407
and she'll do it
on purpose to [bleeping] up.
624
00:31:52,111 --> 00:31:54,578
I think if people see her,
they see her white,
misty [bleep]
625
00:31:54,646 --> 00:31:55,746
and all this kind of stuff.
626
00:31:55,748 --> 00:31:58,315
She kind of wants this
all to herself.
627
00:32:06,725 --> 00:32:08,692
[Steve] I understand
you used to work here.
628
00:32:08,694 --> 00:32:12,663
I worked in the concession
stand at the front
of the building.
629
00:32:12,665 --> 00:32:14,230
So I was talking to Susan,
that runs the place,
630
00:32:14,299 --> 00:32:16,833
uh, and she thinks there's
a lot of activity here,
do you agree with that?
631
00:32:16,835 --> 00:32:21,438
I do. I've definitely known
a lot of people who've had
some kind of experience here.
632
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,408
-Okay. And you as well?
-Me too. Yes.
633
00:32:24,410 --> 00:32:27,711
I was about six months
pregnant, when I was working
here about 10 years ago.
634
00:32:27,713 --> 00:32:29,813
-[Steve] Okay.
-And I was moving, um,
some stuff
635
00:32:29,815 --> 00:32:31,882
from one end of the building
to the other.
636
00:32:31,884 --> 00:32:34,718
And something pushed me
from behind into a table.
637
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,619
Please tell me
you didn't get hurt.
638
00:32:35,621 --> 00:32:37,621
I mean it hurt
when it happened,
639
00:32:37,623 --> 00:32:40,590
but nothing happened
to, you know, my daughter
was fine.
640
00:32:40,592 --> 00:32:42,125
-Everything was good? Okay.
-[Lisa] Yes.
641
00:32:42,193 --> 00:32:45,329
-Hey, do me a favor and
show me how hard the push was.
-[Lisa] Okay.
642
00:32:46,932 --> 00:32:48,365
-[Steve] Oh! Okay.
-[Lisa] Sorry.
643
00:32:49,068 --> 00:32:50,467
When this happened,
what'd you do?
644
00:32:50,469 --> 00:32:52,936
I ran outside
and started crying.
645
00:32:53,005 --> 00:32:55,939
It felt like something
was trying to hurt me.
646
00:32:55,941 --> 00:32:57,708
-So that was pretty
frightening for you.
-Yes.
647
00:32:57,710 --> 00:32:59,075
Okay. Anything else?
648
00:32:59,077 --> 00:33:01,812
Yeah, about a year and a half
ago, I came here
to see a show.
649
00:33:01,814 --> 00:33:04,614
-Okay.
-My friend and I
were able to go backstage.
650
00:33:04,683 --> 00:33:07,751
And as soon
as we got back there,
I had this feeling of,
651
00:33:07,753 --> 00:33:10,354
we need to get out of here
like impending doom.
652
00:33:10,356 --> 00:33:13,857
As soon as we left,
I felt fine.
653
00:33:13,925 --> 00:33:16,693
-Obviously, you feel there's
paranormal activity here?
-Yes.
654
00:33:16,762 --> 00:33:18,862
I think
the whole town's haunted.
How do you feel?
655
00:33:18,864 --> 00:33:20,597
I agree with you 100%.
656
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:22,499
And in that time I've seen
657
00:33:22,501 --> 00:33:27,504
people, good people,
do bad things.
658
00:33:27,572 --> 00:33:31,208
So, what you're saying is
that the paranormal
in this town is actually...
659
00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:35,045
-Could influence people?
-Yes, to do, like,
evil things.
660
00:33:35,113 --> 00:33:36,146
Okay.
661
00:33:43,489 --> 00:33:44,520
[Amy] Boo.
662
00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:46,356
There's some good
dude up in here.
663
00:33:47,026 --> 00:33:49,559
Wow, he's pissed, okay.
664
00:33:49,561 --> 00:33:51,495
Ooh, Lordy.
665
00:33:51,497 --> 00:33:54,965
With him and the living,
that's not a great thing.
666
00:33:54,967 --> 00:33:57,868
They're feeling very anxious,
and very panicked.
667
00:33:57,870 --> 00:33:59,469
Uh, but this is his anger,
668
00:33:59,538 --> 00:34:01,772
this is how
they're interpreting
the anger.
669
00:34:01,774 --> 00:34:04,908
I think people see him,
but it's just shadows
they hear.
670
00:34:04,910 --> 00:34:07,778
Male shadow figure,
pretty big though.
671
00:34:07,780 --> 00:34:11,348
He blows himself up,
so he gets really big.
672
00:34:13,385 --> 00:34:15,952
Also, you can't breathe
around him.
673
00:34:15,954 --> 00:34:19,790
Uh, that's something
with his death,
uh, when he was dying,
674
00:34:19,792 --> 00:34:21,224
he couldn't breathe, [gasps].
675
00:34:21,293 --> 00:34:22,125
He's like [gasps].
676
00:34:22,127 --> 00:34:23,326
[exhales]
677
00:34:25,064 --> 00:34:26,329
[indistinct whispering]
678
00:34:30,302 --> 00:34:32,035
[indistinct whispering]
679
00:34:44,616 --> 00:34:46,616
[Steve] So, Sam,
thanks for meeting
with me, I appreciate it.
680
00:34:46,618 --> 00:34:50,087
From what I understand,
your hotel has activity here.
681
00:34:50,122 --> 00:34:53,857
Uh, but before we get to that,
this is a beautiful spot.
682
00:34:53,925 --> 00:34:54,891
You are the owner, right?
683
00:34:54,893 --> 00:34:56,927
[Sam] Right, my husband
and myself.
684
00:34:56,929 --> 00:34:59,796
I'm assuming you know
some history about the place.
What can you tell me?
685
00:34:59,832 --> 00:35:02,165
It was built
by John Weatherford,
686
00:35:02,234 --> 00:35:04,601
as a general store in 1897,
687
00:35:04,603 --> 00:35:08,538
and then he turned it
into a hotel in 1900.
688
00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:12,976
John Weatherford also built
the Orpheum Theater
next door.
689
00:35:12,978 --> 00:35:14,911
So, I just came from this,
this guy had a real mark
on this town.
690
00:35:14,913 --> 00:35:16,379
Yeah.
691
00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:18,115
So, let's get
to the paranormal.
692
00:35:18,117 --> 00:35:19,182
Have you had any experiences?
693
00:35:19,251 --> 00:35:20,717
I have.
694
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,454
A gentleman stayed
with us once, uh, and wrote me
and said that the...
695
00:35:24,456 --> 00:35:28,391
He got up in the morning,
looked through the window
696
00:35:28,460 --> 00:35:32,295
of the ballroom, and he saw
a waif-like,
female type character
697
00:35:32,364 --> 00:35:33,930
float across the room.
698
00:35:33,932 --> 00:35:37,334
Now, did you question the guy,
if it could have been
maybe a hotel guest
699
00:35:37,336 --> 00:35:39,569
-or something like that?
-I did, I wrote him back.
700
00:35:39,571 --> 00:35:41,471
-[Steve] Okay
-And it was too early
in the morning.
701
00:35:41,473 --> 00:35:43,840
It couldn't even have been
the housekeeping.
702
00:35:43,876 --> 00:35:46,076
Okay, any other guest
experiences you could
tell me about?
703
00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:47,511
Yes, a former employee
704
00:35:47,513 --> 00:35:49,212
uh, that stayed with us,
705
00:35:49,214 --> 00:35:52,883
said she woke up in the middle
of the night and had a couple
sitting on her bed.
706
00:35:52,885 --> 00:35:55,418
It startled her,
and before she knew it,
707
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:56,820
they got up and they walked
through the door.
708
00:35:56,822 --> 00:35:58,655
-Through the door?
-Through the door.
709
00:35:58,657 --> 00:36:01,424
I mean, I'm a pretty
hardcore guy,
710
00:36:01,426 --> 00:36:03,293
I think that would scare
the [bleep] out of me.
711
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,234
[Amy] There are a lot
of dead here.
712
00:36:13,005 --> 00:36:15,005
I'm seeing this guy
playing the piano.
713
00:36:15,007 --> 00:36:18,808
He was showing me a girl,
714
00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:20,844
uh, that would hang out
with him
715
00:36:20,912 --> 00:36:23,146
when he would play the piano.
716
00:36:26,652 --> 00:36:28,785
So, they may hear
females talking.
717
00:36:28,787 --> 00:36:31,421
Like I'm just getting flashe
of them.
718
00:36:31,423 --> 00:36:33,557
So, possibly people
would see like that,
719
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:37,360
these flashes, like,
of these women.
720
00:36:44,770 --> 00:36:46,870
So, Chelsea, I understand, uh,
you're the general
manager here.
721
00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:49,806
-I am.
-From what I've heard,
this place is kind of haunted.
722
00:36:49,808 --> 00:36:52,409
Yeah, actually, growing up
in this building,
723
00:36:52,411 --> 00:36:54,344
there were two dead people
I saw all the time.
724
00:36:54,713 --> 00:36:56,880
Tell me about the first one.
725
00:36:56,948 --> 00:36:58,481
Well, there's a girl
by the name of Matilda,
726
00:36:58,483 --> 00:37:01,051
that I used to play with
all the time, upstairs.
727
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,520
Okay, was she nice to you?
Did you guys get along?
728
00:37:03,522 --> 00:37:07,724
She was.
She was, um, a very light
presence, very kind.
729
00:37:07,726 --> 00:37:09,593
-So, what about the other one?
-His name was Algernon.
730
00:37:09,595 --> 00:37:12,395
And, he lived in the basement.
731
00:37:12,464 --> 00:37:15,398
He had a bit of a dark
presence to him,
almost evil.
732
00:37:16,735 --> 00:37:18,735
I knew there was something
bad about him.
733
00:37:18,737 --> 00:37:20,003
Did they move on, you think?
734
00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:21,638
No,
they're definitely still here.
735
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,839
Why do you say that?
736
00:37:22,841 --> 00:37:24,741
[Chelsea] Right when we are
re-opening the Gopher Hole,
737
00:37:24,743 --> 00:37:27,077
we were doing a lot
of construction down there.
738
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:28,612
-[Steve] Okay.
-And we might have upset him.
739
00:37:28,647 --> 00:37:30,814
I was shining a glass
740
00:37:30,816 --> 00:37:34,751
and, uh, another one shot off
the drink rack and hit
a mirror right behind me,
741
00:37:34,753 --> 00:37:36,920
and I knew that was him.
742
00:37:36,988 --> 00:37:38,021
This glass was directed
at you?
743
00:37:38,023 --> 00:37:39,356
Right past my face.
744
00:37:39,358 --> 00:37:42,125
So, did anything else
like that ever happen?
745
00:37:42,127 --> 00:37:44,861
-Actually, there is a bottle
in this actual room.
-Okay.
746
00:37:44,929 --> 00:37:46,796
Right up there
747
00:37:46,798 --> 00:37:49,633
and it fell off the top
of that ledge.
748
00:37:49,701 --> 00:37:50,867
Did you see it fall?
749
00:37:50,869 --> 00:37:54,404
From, uh, security cameras,
after the fact.
750
00:37:54,439 --> 00:37:56,206
You have that available for me
to look at?
751
00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:57,941
[Chelsea] I actually do.
752
00:38:05,584 --> 00:38:08,018
Oh! Jeez.
753
00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:10,387
Ooh, you're lucky somebody
wasn't standing there.
754
00:38:11,490 --> 00:38:13,022
Let me ask you a question.
755
00:38:13,024 --> 00:38:15,859
Anybody else you think
I should talk to about,
what's going on here?
756
00:38:15,861 --> 00:38:18,995
Well, you could talk to Nancy,
down the street at the diner.
757
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:20,397
-And she's the owner?
-[Chelsea] She is.
758
00:38:20,432 --> 00:38:21,564
-Okay.
-Mmm-hmm.
759
00:38:21,566 --> 00:38:23,600
From what I could tell during
my investigations,
760
00:38:23,602 --> 00:38:25,535
it seems like this whole town
is haunted, do you agree
with that?
761
00:38:25,537 --> 00:38:28,738
I definitely do.
I mean, it's the Wild West.
762
00:38:28,807 --> 00:38:32,008
-[Steve] Yeah.
-There's a lot of history here
in Flagstaff.
763
00:38:32,944 --> 00:38:34,811
[Amy] There's one male,
764
00:38:34,813 --> 00:38:36,846
uh, who's here often.
765
00:38:36,915 --> 00:38:40,116
I think he was, like,
some kind of manager, maybe,
like the...
766
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,186
...1930s or '40s?
767
00:38:43,188 --> 00:38:46,056
I think people see him
because I think
he does stuff.
768
00:38:47,793 --> 00:38:50,994
I feel like he tries
to guide people.
769
00:38:51,062 --> 00:38:54,664
Tries to influence
their actions,
if they work here.
770
00:38:54,733 --> 00:38:57,500
So, I think, like, maybe
he might influence people
to, like,
771
00:38:57,536 --> 00:39:00,136
you know, clean that table.
772
00:39:02,874 --> 00:39:05,675
But if they don't do
what he wants,
he can lash out.
773
00:39:05,744 --> 00:39:08,945
Uh, so, that's interesting.
774
00:39:14,453 --> 00:39:16,886
So, Nancy, I got
to tell you this is a great
old-school diner.
775
00:39:16,888 --> 00:39:18,855
You know, it reminds me of me
growing up in Brooklyn,
776
00:39:18,857 --> 00:39:21,624
it just, has that look to it,
and the feel.
777
00:39:21,693 --> 00:39:23,727
Um, how long have you owned
the place?
778
00:39:23,795 --> 00:39:25,895
My family's had it
for over 30 years.
779
00:39:25,897 --> 00:39:28,031
How important
is this place to you?
780
00:39:28,099 --> 00:39:31,067
It's everything to me,
it's part of my family.
781
00:39:31,136 --> 00:39:33,670
Chelsea at the hotel says
you have paranormal
activity here.
782
00:39:33,705 --> 00:39:35,038
Yes. Mmm-hmm.
783
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,475
So, do me a favor
and tell me about what
you're experiencing.
784
00:39:38,477 --> 00:39:41,745
Well, one of the first things
that happened,
785
00:39:41,747 --> 00:39:44,948
I was in the basement
and there was
someone sweeping.
786
00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:46,616
And, I could see
the full motion of it.
787
00:39:46,618 --> 00:39:48,385
[Steve] Okay, so
an apparition, I assume?
788
00:39:48,453 --> 00:39:50,820
Absolutely,
because when I turned around
789
00:39:50,822 --> 00:39:53,189
-thinking I was going to talk
to a coworker...
-[Steve] Right.
790
00:39:53,191 --> 00:39:54,958
...there was no one there.
791
00:39:55,026 --> 00:39:56,793
Is there anything else?
792
00:39:56,795 --> 00:39:59,329
I was rolling silverware
right there.
793
00:39:59,931 --> 00:40:01,331
Nobody near me.
794
00:40:02,033 --> 00:40:04,334
And I felt, on my shoulder...
795
00:40:06,104 --> 00:40:06,936
...two taps.
796
00:40:06,938 --> 00:40:09,639
And I looked and I looked
797
00:40:09,641 --> 00:40:12,609
and I literally
turned a circle
798
00:40:12,611 --> 00:40:14,644
because I could not...
I have goosebumps.
799
00:40:14,646 --> 00:40:17,781
I couldn't...
There was nobody there.
800
00:40:17,816 --> 00:40:19,983
-So that freaked you out,
I can tell.
-[Nancy] Oh, yes.
801
00:40:19,985 --> 00:40:23,686
-And, it couldn't have been
drops of heavy water coming...
-[laughing] No.
802
00:40:23,688 --> 00:40:25,388
-[Steve] Okay.
-No. No.
803
00:40:25,457 --> 00:40:26,990
And, that's why I tapped you.
804
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,827
I was tapped.
805
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:33,029
So, if something
could do that,
what else could it do?
806
00:40:33,031 --> 00:40:34,164
[Nancy] Exactly.
807
00:40:34,166 --> 00:40:37,066
It kind of made me realize
808
00:40:37,102 --> 00:40:41,337
that there's a lot more here
than I knew.
809
00:40:44,676 --> 00:40:47,343
[Amy] That thing is here.
810
00:40:47,379 --> 00:40:49,612
-That thing and that man.
-[Matthew] What're
you talking about?
811
00:40:49,648 --> 00:40:52,916
[Allan] The alien thing
and the other dude.
812
00:40:52,918 --> 00:40:55,652
The flat-looking shadow guy
813
00:40:55,654 --> 00:40:57,587
Okay, they're trying
to pull me outside.
814
00:40:57,589 --> 00:41:00,290
Okay, okay.
It's all about them.
815
00:41:02,828 --> 00:41:04,727
I'm seeing another
dead person in here.
816
00:41:04,796 --> 00:41:05,862
He's a big guy.
817
00:41:05,864 --> 00:41:09,499
Uh, so, I guess
his name is Bill?
818
00:41:09,534 --> 00:41:12,368
I kind of feel, like,
at some point he owned
this place.
819
00:41:16,775 --> 00:41:19,275
He'll come up and start
talking to people.
820
00:41:19,778 --> 00:41:21,244
Living people.
821
00:41:21,947 --> 00:41:25,014
He does tend
to move things about.
822
00:41:25,417 --> 00:41:27,984
Ah, he's pretty good at that
823
00:41:28,052 --> 00:41:29,953
So, that's not good.
824
00:41:33,825 --> 00:41:35,091
[indistinct whispering]
825
00:41:38,597 --> 00:41:40,396
[indistinct whispering]
826
00:41:43,301 --> 00:41:46,402
[Steve] This is the first ti
we've investigated
an entire town.
827
00:41:46,404 --> 00:41:48,204
Obviously, I'm not going
to be able
to find out everything
828
00:41:48,206 --> 00:41:49,939
that's ever happened here.
829
00:41:49,941 --> 00:41:53,843
So, I thought I'd start
by getting an overview
of Flagstaff's history.
830
00:41:53,845 --> 00:41:56,613
I'm meeting a local historia
who told me the city has
always been plagued
831
00:41:56,615 --> 00:41:59,249
by tragedy and bloodshed.
832
00:42:04,656 --> 00:42:07,557
[Steve] So, Dre thanks
for coming out and meeting
with me, I appreciate that.
833
00:42:07,625 --> 00:42:10,159
And, this is Arizona,
we all got to assume
834
00:42:10,161 --> 00:42:11,528
Native American history
is pretty big here.
835
00:42:11,530 --> 00:42:13,096
Absolutely.
836
00:42:13,098 --> 00:42:15,465
So, let me ask you a question,
when did the white settlers
get here?
837
00:42:15,467 --> 00:42:21,070
'Round 1840s is when, uh,
those settlers started kind of
coming into the region.
838
00:42:21,072 --> 00:42:24,374
Okay, so obviously the tribes
get driven out. What happened?
839
00:42:24,376 --> 00:42:28,478
So, from about 1861 to 1875,
840
00:42:28,513 --> 00:42:33,349
uh, that 14 year period
becomes what's known
as the Yavapai Wars.
841
00:42:33,351 --> 00:42:39,022
And, that's the US Army coming
in and kicking out most
of the Native tribes here.
842
00:42:39,057 --> 00:42:42,926
Uh, relocating them,
making room for white settlers
to come in.
843
00:42:42,928 --> 00:42:45,695
Okay, so it had
to be pretty brutal, I assume.
844
00:42:45,730 --> 00:42:49,465
Ultimately, in 1875,
February 27th,
845
00:42:49,534 --> 00:42:52,001
becomes what's known
as Exodus Day.
846
00:42:52,003 --> 00:42:54,871
And, uh, that begins
the Apache Trail of Tears
847
00:42:54,873 --> 00:42:59,876
where they force out
around 1400 Native peoples,
848
00:42:59,878 --> 00:43:02,512
marching them 200 miles
across a winter desert.
849
00:43:02,514 --> 00:43:05,615
Uh, beating them
with whips, with chains,
850
00:43:05,617 --> 00:43:08,851
they don't wanna go,
they leave 'em to die
on the side of the road.
851
00:43:08,853 --> 00:43:11,454
So basically
it's a death march.
852
00:43:11,489 --> 00:43:13,556
So, how many died out of that
14 and change?
853
00:43:13,558 --> 00:43:16,926
-Roughly 375 people lost
their lives in that.
-Wow.
854
00:43:16,962 --> 00:43:18,695
That's like almost
a third, right?
Jeez.
855
00:43:18,697 --> 00:43:20,330
Around there.
856
00:43:23,034 --> 00:43:26,769
[Amy] I am seeing one,
single Native American male
857
00:43:26,771 --> 00:43:28,871
He has one feather.
858
00:43:28,873 --> 00:43:31,641
And behind him,
are all shadow figures.
859
00:43:31,643 --> 00:43:34,844
He indicates
that they're all women
and children.
860
00:43:34,846 --> 00:43:37,280
He says they're buried
in the ground.
861
00:43:37,482 --> 00:43:39,382
He says we need help.
862
00:43:42,887 --> 00:43:45,254
[Steve] Okay, so now
the Native Americans
are forced out.
863
00:43:45,256 --> 00:43:46,389
What happens next?
864
00:43:46,391 --> 00:43:49,692
So, around 1876, settlers
start coming to the area.
865
00:43:49,694 --> 00:43:51,427
But the town would
never really flourish
866
00:43:51,429 --> 00:43:53,963
until the railway
was actually established.
867
00:43:53,965 --> 00:43:58,601
Uh, just cutting right
through the middle of town
in the early 1880s.
868
00:43:58,603 --> 00:44:00,737
But that, came at a cost
of its own.
869
00:44:00,739 --> 00:44:02,639
Okay, so what do you mean
by that?
870
00:44:02,641 --> 00:44:05,742
Well, you know, many different
accidents happened.
871
00:44:05,744 --> 00:44:08,711
The worst happened
in the summer of 1881,
872
00:44:08,713 --> 00:44:12,415
when, uh, some blasting powder
actually went off prematurely.
873
00:44:12,417 --> 00:44:14,484
Okay, so, how bad
was this blast?
874
00:44:14,486 --> 00:44:16,819
According to the article,
actually, I have here,
875
00:44:16,821 --> 00:44:19,989
seven people died
and three people were maimed.
876
00:44:19,991 --> 00:44:23,626
Uh, they say that body parts
were actually raining down
877
00:44:23,695 --> 00:44:25,828
from the sky
when that happened.
878
00:44:25,897 --> 00:44:27,430
[Steve] So, when you said
on the phone
879
00:44:27,432 --> 00:44:31,234
that this town is plagued
with bloodshed and tragedy,
you weren't kidding.
880
00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:33,036
Unfortunately, not.
881
00:44:33,038 --> 00:44:34,237
Okay.
882
00:44:37,909 --> 00:44:39,242
[Amy] I don't like this.
883
00:44:40,912 --> 00:44:44,147
There's a bunch of men
down there and they're...
884
00:44:44,716 --> 00:44:47,483
...in a lot of pain.
885
00:44:47,552 --> 00:44:50,787
Damn, man, there's gotta
be at least 10 of 'em.
886
00:44:50,855 --> 00:44:53,990
They're laborers.
They're hurting.
887
00:44:54,926 --> 00:44:58,094
1860, 1870.
888
00:45:03,601 --> 00:45:05,368
I think that the, uh,
889
00:45:05,370 --> 00:45:07,403
living might have experience
with them.
890
00:45:07,405 --> 00:45:12,408
I think if they're around
in that area, they might
feel a lot of the pain.
891
00:45:15,313 --> 00:45:17,680
[Steve] Just about
any city's gonna
have its share of murders.
892
00:45:17,682 --> 00:45:21,684
But it turns out
that Flagstaff has a really
violent past.
893
00:45:21,686 --> 00:45:24,087
I'm on my way to meet
a local true crime author
894
00:45:24,155 --> 00:45:26,289
who says she can prove
it to me.
895
00:45:34,632 --> 00:45:36,799
[Steve] Now, Susan,
you mentioned on the phone
that you wrote a book
896
00:45:36,835 --> 00:45:37,600
about some homicides in town.
897
00:45:37,602 --> 00:45:38,968
Tell me about that.
898
00:45:38,970 --> 00:45:43,873
That was one
of the saddest chapters
in Flagstaff's history.
899
00:45:43,875 --> 00:45:45,308
1937.
900
00:45:45,310 --> 00:45:48,144
Happened just down the street
from the Orpheum.
901
00:45:48,146 --> 00:45:49,846
[Steve] So, I did
a lot of interviews
there yesterday.
902
00:45:49,848 --> 00:45:52,715
People having a lot
of problems
with the paranormal activity.
903
00:45:52,784 --> 00:45:56,252
-Hmm.
-So, who are the players
in this murder?
904
00:45:56,321 --> 00:45:57,920
That would have been
the Walkup family.
905
00:45:57,922 --> 00:46:01,858
Um, Marie Walkup, 32-year-old
mother of four children.
906
00:46:01,926 --> 00:46:05,061
-Okay.
-And her husband, JD Walkup,
907
00:46:05,063 --> 00:46:07,764
a politician
and a man-about-town.
908
00:46:07,799 --> 00:46:08,998
Okay, so what happened?
909
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:12,702
It was July 22, 1937,
910
00:46:12,704 --> 00:46:14,203
JD was down in Phoenix.
911
00:46:14,205 --> 00:46:17,807
Sometime that night,
Marie Walkup went
to the bedrooms
912
00:46:17,809 --> 00:46:22,445
of her children,
taking an icepick and stabbed
each one in the heart,
913
00:46:22,447 --> 00:46:24,914
and then strangled them.
914
00:46:24,916 --> 00:46:26,682
-Oh.
-After that, she washed
their bodies
915
00:46:26,751 --> 00:46:29,418
and put them back in bed
and pulled the covers up
to their chins.
916
00:46:29,754 --> 00:46:30,753
How old were these kids?
917
00:46:30,755 --> 00:46:34,624
Well, here are
their death certificates.
918
00:46:34,626 --> 00:46:39,695
Daniel was 10, Rose was seven.
John was four and a half,
919
00:46:39,697 --> 00:46:43,666
and Elizabeth
was about 18 months.
920
00:46:43,668 --> 00:46:45,668
All right, any idea what would
cause her to do this?
921
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:48,671
Well, everybody
has a different theory.
922
00:46:48,739 --> 00:46:53,109
Does seem like she might have
had some depression.
She was isolated.
923
00:46:53,111 --> 00:46:56,813
Her husband was gone
quite a bit of the time
and she had four children.
924
00:46:56,815 --> 00:47:01,884
And sometime that night,
Marie Walkup sat in her house,
925
00:47:01,919 --> 00:47:04,587
and took a pen to paper
and wrote four notes.
926
00:47:04,589 --> 00:47:06,656
One of those notes
was to her husband,
927
00:47:06,658 --> 00:47:10,059
it was printed in the paper
the next day, and it said,
928
00:47:10,061 --> 00:47:13,196
"'Cause of my lack
of discipline,
929
00:47:13,198 --> 00:47:15,631
the children are better off
to go this way."
930
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:16,465
Oh.
931
00:47:16,467 --> 00:47:18,768
"Only grief would come
to them.
932
00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:21,704
You are strong in faith,
never doubting.
933
00:47:21,706 --> 00:47:23,472
Mercy, mercy to my people.
934
00:47:23,541 --> 00:47:26,375
I have loved you
and I have failed."
935
00:47:26,444 --> 00:47:30,413
All right, so now we got four
dead kids, babies,
uh, in the home,
936
00:47:30,415 --> 00:47:31,647
what happens with her?
937
00:47:31,716 --> 00:47:33,182
Well, she went
into the closet,
938
00:47:33,184 --> 00:47:35,751
she got her husband's old
Army rifle,
939
00:47:35,820 --> 00:47:37,353
laid the gun up
940
00:47:37,421 --> 00:47:38,988
with the muzzle
against her chest,
941
00:47:39,056 --> 00:47:43,259
and used her big toe
to pull the trigger
and shot herself.
942
00:47:43,261 --> 00:47:46,195
There's a article about it.
943
00:47:47,232 --> 00:47:50,366
[Steve] All right, so she
wasn't of sound mind,
this woman, obviously.
944
00:47:50,434 --> 00:47:55,271
To this day, this is one
of the most disturbing murders
in Flagstaff's history.
945
00:47:57,842 --> 00:48:01,711
[Amy] That woman
who's dressed like a bride
is wandering around in here
946
00:48:01,713 --> 00:48:05,648
She said she died
a long time ago.
947
00:48:05,650 --> 00:48:08,985
I hear 20s,
but I don't know
if that's her age
948
00:48:09,053 --> 00:48:11,854
or the year around she died?
949
00:48:11,856 --> 00:48:14,657
I kind of wanna say suicide,
950
00:48:14,725 --> 00:48:16,359
I kind of got the feeling,
951
00:48:16,361 --> 00:48:22,865
that she was kind of being
forced to live, uh, not
how she wanted to.
952
00:48:22,867 --> 00:48:27,870
Like she wanted to be,
like, free, you know,
footloose and fancy-free
953
00:48:27,872 --> 00:48:29,639
and that wasn't gonna happen.
954
00:48:29,641 --> 00:48:32,742
[Matthew] She doesn't like
people in the space,
any reason?
955
00:48:32,744 --> 00:48:36,012
She feels like it's hers
and she should be here
956
00:48:36,014 --> 00:48:37,280
and they shouldn't.
957
00:48:40,184 --> 00:48:41,284
[indistinct whispering]
958
00:48:45,390 --> 00:48:47,156
[indistinct whispering]
959
00:48:49,761 --> 00:48:52,862
[Steve] Everyone out here
is seeing and hearing
strange stuff.
960
00:48:52,897 --> 00:48:55,464
Now to me,
everything isn't paranormal
961
00:48:55,466 --> 00:48:59,702
Flagstaff is a mountain town
it's 7,000 feet
above sea level.
962
00:48:59,704 --> 00:49:02,104
Trust me, I feel it
every morning I'm here.
963
00:49:02,173 --> 00:49:03,706
Now, from what
I've been reading,
964
00:49:03,708 --> 00:49:07,310
mountain climbers sometimes
get hallucinations
from thin air.
965
00:49:07,312 --> 00:49:09,779
So, I'm wondering
if that's what's
happening here.
966
00:49:09,781 --> 00:49:13,416
I'm heading over to a docto
who specializes
in altitude sickness,
967
00:49:13,418 --> 00:49:16,185
and he's gonna put my theor
to the test.
968
00:49:22,927 --> 00:49:24,961
[Steve] Well, Dr. Backhaus,
I appreciate you
helping me out
969
00:49:24,996 --> 00:49:25,795
and meeting with me.
970
00:49:25,797 --> 00:49:27,430
So my investigation in town,
971
00:49:27,432 --> 00:49:28,764
I'm coming across
a ton of people
972
00:49:28,766 --> 00:49:30,333
that are hearing things
and seeing things.
973
00:49:30,335 --> 00:49:33,369
Now, this altitude
is kicking my ass.
974
00:49:33,404 --> 00:49:36,572
Is it possible this altitude
could cause people
to see things?
975
00:49:36,574 --> 00:49:38,407
Or hear things
that aren't there?
976
00:49:38,409 --> 00:49:42,011
Yes, there are reports
of mountain climbers
977
00:49:42,013 --> 00:49:43,879
who talk to people
that aren't even there.
978
00:49:43,881 --> 00:49:46,682
Besides the hallucinations,
are there any other
side effects?
979
00:49:46,751 --> 00:49:48,317
-Dizziness. It happens.
-Okay.
980
00:49:48,353 --> 00:49:50,586
And then,
it could be confusion.
981
00:49:50,588 --> 00:49:54,190
Okay, I've been here
a few days and I'm having
a couple of those myself.
982
00:49:54,192 --> 00:49:56,625
-Yes.
-So, Doctor, I've brought
some witnesses
983
00:49:56,627 --> 00:50:00,329
that I've spoken to,
who have been seeing
things and hearing things.
984
00:50:00,331 --> 00:50:02,198
So, I understand you can run
a test,
985
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,100
to see if they're getting
hallucinations
from the altitude.
986
00:50:04,102 --> 00:50:06,702
Yes.
987
00:50:06,704 --> 00:50:11,407
The three test subjects
will be breathing in and ou
of this altitude simulator.
988
00:50:11,409 --> 00:50:13,542
We'll start them
at 12,000 feet.
989
00:50:13,544 --> 00:50:14,777
And if they're handling
it well,
990
00:50:14,779 --> 00:50:17,513
we'll move them up
to 17,000 feet.
991
00:50:17,515 --> 00:50:20,916
Yeah,
this is your blood oxygen
and this is your heart rate.
992
00:50:20,918 --> 00:50:23,052
The first thing we'll test
is motor skills.
993
00:50:28,659 --> 00:50:29,725
Oh.
994
00:50:35,233 --> 00:50:37,733
Then, we'll test
their cognitive abilities.
995
00:50:37,735 --> 00:50:42,104
Using flash cards,
we'll see if they're able
to select the word green.
996
00:50:46,978 --> 00:50:50,146
Next, we'll see if they migh
be having hallucinations.
997
00:50:52,450 --> 00:50:56,052
I'll present them
with a mix of real people
and mannequins.
998
00:50:56,054 --> 00:50:58,087
I'll ask them how many human
they see.
999
00:50:58,089 --> 00:51:00,122
[ticking]
1000
00:51:03,928 --> 00:51:06,095
All of them got it wrong.
1001
00:51:08,032 --> 00:51:09,665
Okay, so how'd these tests go?
1002
00:51:09,733 --> 00:51:12,868
Surprisingly,
with motor skills,
all three did well.
1003
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:14,804
Okay, so what about
the second test?
1004
00:51:14,806 --> 00:51:19,708
For the cognitive skills,
two passed and one failed.
1005
00:51:19,710 --> 00:51:21,944
So, what about that last
perception test you did?
1006
00:51:21,946 --> 00:51:24,013
Well, the perception,
I was surprised.
1007
00:51:24,015 --> 00:51:24,980
All three failed.
1008
00:51:24,982 --> 00:51:26,482
They couldn't tell
the difference
1009
00:51:26,484 --> 00:51:28,484
between the humans
and the mannequins.
1010
00:51:28,486 --> 00:51:30,920
All right, so is it possible
from that last test you did
1011
00:51:30,922 --> 00:51:34,590
that they're not having
paranormal experiences
and it is the altitude?
1012
00:51:34,592 --> 00:51:37,927
No, the altitude here
is 7,000 feet.
1013
00:51:37,995 --> 00:51:41,897
-Okay.
-And two of the guys,
they had to go to 22,000 feet
1014
00:51:41,899 --> 00:51:43,899
for the changes to take place.
1015
00:51:43,901 --> 00:51:45,868
-Wow. That's high.
-Yes.
1016
00:51:45,936 --> 00:51:49,972
So, the tourists,
they think they're having
paranormal experiences,
1017
00:51:49,974 --> 00:51:51,507
but it might
just be the altitude.
1018
00:51:51,509 --> 00:51:52,675
Yes.
1019
00:51:53,077 --> 00:51:54,910
But, people that lived here
and are acclimated,
1020
00:51:54,912 --> 00:51:57,446
-there's no way
they're hallucinating.
-No.
1021
00:51:57,448 --> 00:51:58,948
Okay.
1022
00:52:01,252 --> 00:52:03,385
[Amy] This alien thing,
goes all over town.
1023
00:52:04,856 --> 00:52:06,856
It's a bit unusual to have
1024
00:52:06,891 --> 00:52:09,158
an alien
1025
00:52:09,694 --> 00:52:11,627
thing, running around.
1026
00:52:11,629 --> 00:52:13,896
Either in people's dreams,
1027
00:52:13,898 --> 00:52:17,666
or in their day-to-day
activities, telling them,
1028
00:52:17,668 --> 00:52:19,368
or showing them,
1029
00:52:19,436 --> 00:52:21,737
like, this or that's
going to happen.
1030
00:52:21,772 --> 00:52:24,406
This alien thing
can change forms
1031
00:52:24,475 --> 00:52:27,409
and people can see it
in a bunch of different ways
1032
00:52:27,411 --> 00:52:29,945
[Matthew] Do you have
any idea why it shows itself
1033
00:52:29,947 --> 00:52:31,881
in different forms
to different people?
1034
00:52:31,949 --> 00:52:34,016
For those who can
see this thing,
1035
00:52:34,051 --> 00:52:36,418
it would come through
as something
1036
00:52:36,487 --> 00:52:39,288
that's positive
to that person.
1037
00:52:45,663 --> 00:52:48,430
[Amy] I saw a lot
of strange things
on my two walks,
1038
00:52:48,432 --> 00:52:50,399
but three really stood out.
1039
00:52:50,401 --> 00:52:53,002
First, the flat looking
shadow guy.
1040
00:52:53,404 --> 00:52:55,871
This man was super wrinkled.
1041
00:52:55,940 --> 00:52:57,907
Super, super thin.
1042
00:52:57,975 --> 00:52:59,642
Little, kind of baby nose.
1043
00:52:59,644 --> 00:53:01,243
Uh, baby lips.
1044
00:53:03,047 --> 00:53:05,681
Um, so the hair
is a lot thinner.
1045
00:53:05,683 --> 00:53:08,150
It's very wispy.
1046
00:53:10,888 --> 00:53:13,789
Next, I described the woman
who was dressed like a bride,
1047
00:53:13,857 --> 00:53:16,192
tormenting someone on stage
at the theater.
1048
00:53:16,861 --> 00:53:19,094
On the stage is, like,
1049
00:53:19,096 --> 00:53:21,997
one of the workers.
1050
00:53:21,999 --> 00:53:24,400
He was wearing a black shirt
with short sleeves.
1051
00:53:24,402 --> 00:53:26,735
There's a female
1052
00:53:26,804 --> 00:53:28,938
who is in a wedding dress.
1053
00:53:28,940 --> 00:53:30,906
She's on his back.
1054
00:53:30,908 --> 00:53:33,275
Her legs are over both
of his shoulders.
1055
00:53:33,911 --> 00:53:35,477
Describe her expression.
1056
00:53:35,512 --> 00:53:37,546
Her mouth, like, grew
really big
1057
00:53:37,548 --> 00:53:41,617
and she had, like, all these
jagged sharp teeth,
like, she was, like...
1058
00:53:41,619 --> 00:53:44,119
Finally, I described the angry
man in the theater
1059
00:53:44,121 --> 00:53:46,388
turning himself
into a huge shadow.
1060
00:53:47,024 --> 00:53:48,691
There was a male.
1061
00:53:48,726 --> 00:53:53,596
I saw his hands,
like, up in front of him.
Like whoa.
1062
00:53:53,598 --> 00:53:57,900
And he sees this huge
shadow figure.
1063
00:53:57,935 --> 00:54:00,035
Definitely a male,
you could tell.
1064
00:54:00,037 --> 00:54:02,838
Ridiculously broad shoulders
1065
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,741
because this guy is, like,
really trying to intimidate
1066
00:54:05,743 --> 00:54:07,243
uh, this living guy.
1067
00:54:08,246 --> 00:54:10,246
Amy, is this what you saw?
1068
00:54:11,749 --> 00:54:13,282
Yes, that's what I saw.
1069
00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:17,386
[indistinct whispering]
1070
00:54:21,259 --> 00:54:23,058
[indistinct whispering]
1071
00:54:37,408 --> 00:54:41,143
[Steve] Now that Amy
and I have completed
our own investigations,
1072
00:54:41,178 --> 00:54:42,878
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
1073
00:54:42,946 --> 00:54:45,447
and our clients
for the first time.
1074
00:54:46,384 --> 00:54:47,883
So, Amy, I want you
to meet Joshua.
1075
00:54:47,885 --> 00:54:50,819
He, uh, works
at the Visitor Center in town
1076
00:54:50,821 --> 00:54:52,321
and knows just
about everybody here.
1077
00:54:52,957 --> 00:54:54,556
Um, this is Nancy.
1078
00:54:54,625 --> 00:54:56,759
She owns and runs
a local diner
1079
00:54:56,761 --> 00:54:58,694
and it's been in her family
for over 30 years, right?
1080
00:54:58,762 --> 00:55:00,229
Right, 30 years.
1081
00:55:00,898 --> 00:55:04,967
And this, are the residents
of Flagstaff.
1082
00:55:04,969 --> 00:55:06,535
Got too many
to introduce you to,
1083
00:55:06,603 --> 00:55:09,805
but you'll be hearing
from some of them
during the night.
1084
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,007
Some people think
that whatever's here
is harmless.
1085
00:55:12,009 --> 00:55:14,910
But others think it's pretty
dangerous for everybody.
1086
00:55:14,978 --> 00:55:16,412
One thing everybody agrees on,
1087
00:55:16,747 --> 00:55:18,013
place is haunted.
1088
00:55:18,015 --> 00:55:20,249
They're looking forward
to hearing what's here
1089
00:55:20,251 --> 00:55:23,585
and what they can do
about it, so they can
remain safe.
1090
00:55:23,654 --> 00:55:27,056
So, unless Amy's got
some questions for you,
she'll tell us about her walk.
1091
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:34,396
[Amy] Before I talk
about the entire town,
1092
00:55:34,431 --> 00:55:36,432
I want to go over
the biggest things I got
1093
00:55:36,434 --> 00:55:39,001
at the different locations
I went in to.
1094
00:55:39,437 --> 00:55:43,005
The first building,
from the first night,
1095
00:55:43,007 --> 00:55:46,909
I walked in and I actually
encountered a male.
1096
00:55:46,911 --> 00:55:49,712
He's extremely ADHD.
1097
00:55:49,714 --> 00:55:51,780
Uh, so this guy was, like,
talking nonstop,
1098
00:55:51,782 --> 00:55:55,517
moving around nonstop,
fussing with everything.
1099
00:55:55,586 --> 00:55:59,421
When he's doing that,
often, he does moves objects.
1100
00:55:59,423 --> 00:56:03,792
Because of his energy,
I got a really sharp
uh, headache.
1101
00:56:03,794 --> 00:56:07,162
And I'm curious, if anybody
up in that area has
1102
00:56:07,164 --> 00:56:08,597
had that kind of
1103
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:12,034
experience as well,
with having sudden headaches.
1104
00:56:12,903 --> 00:56:16,638
And he also tries
to interact with people often
1105
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,007
because he's a very touchy,
feely guy.
1106
00:56:19,076 --> 00:56:21,577
I was curious if people
had experienced
1107
00:56:21,579 --> 00:56:23,212
feeling like they're being
touched on the back,
1108
00:56:23,214 --> 00:56:26,014
on the arm, patted,
things like that.
1109
00:56:26,016 --> 00:56:29,585
Okay, well, that first
location you went to was, uh,
1110
00:56:29,587 --> 00:56:31,320
the crystal shop in town.
1111
00:56:31,956 --> 00:56:33,489
Uh, I know everything
was covered up,
1112
00:56:33,491 --> 00:56:35,057
um, while, when
you were there,
1113
00:56:35,059 --> 00:56:39,027
but I want to show you
what it looks like, when
it's not covered up.
1114
00:56:39,930 --> 00:56:41,163
[Amy] Interesting.
1115
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,600
So, I want you to meet
the owner,
1116
00:56:44,602 --> 00:56:46,368
uh, it's Jessica,
she's right there.
1117
00:56:46,437 --> 00:56:48,103
Could you raise
your hand Jessica?
1118
00:56:48,105 --> 00:56:49,605
Hi.
1119
00:56:49,607 --> 00:56:52,207
I want to talk about some
stuff, we, uh, spoke about
in our interview.
1120
00:56:52,209 --> 00:56:53,909
So, whenever I call
on someone,
1121
00:56:53,911 --> 00:56:56,378
just head
to that table in the back
with the microphone.
1122
00:56:56,981 --> 00:56:58,914
Amy talked about the migraine,
1123
00:56:58,982 --> 00:57:00,582
can you tell Amy
about your migraine?
1124
00:57:00,584 --> 00:57:03,051
I never get migraines ever,
1125
00:57:03,053 --> 00:57:04,753
um, and right before you guys
got here,
1126
00:57:04,755 --> 00:57:06,321
um, for about two days,
1127
00:57:06,357 --> 00:57:09,591
I was getting these
really sharp migraines,
1128
00:57:09,593 --> 00:57:12,694
that would basically hit me,
as soon as I walked
in the door.
1129
00:57:12,696 --> 00:57:15,330
And then they started fading
away when I left for the day.
1130
00:57:16,033 --> 00:57:17,699
She mentioned
things getting...
1131
00:57:17,768 --> 00:57:18,967
...moved around. [chuckles]
1132
00:57:18,969 --> 00:57:22,404
We have stuff flying off
the shelf on a weekly basis.
1133
00:57:22,406 --> 00:57:24,973
Um, we've also had
experiences where,
1134
00:57:24,975 --> 00:57:27,676
um, it just looks
like somebody just swept
1135
00:57:27,678 --> 00:57:29,244
everything off of a shelf.
1136
00:57:30,648 --> 00:57:32,781
Jordan, can you do me a favor?
1137
00:57:32,783 --> 00:57:35,184
I'd like you to go up there.
I wanna talk about something.
1138
00:57:35,252 --> 00:57:37,786
Jordan works
at the crystal shop too.
1139
00:57:37,788 --> 00:57:39,855
Can you describe to Amy
what happened
when you were vacuuming
1140
00:57:39,857 --> 00:57:41,824
and got tugged.
1141
00:57:41,826 --> 00:57:43,358
[Jordan] So, I was vacuuming
one night
1142
00:57:43,427 --> 00:57:45,127
and I went to pull it back
1143
00:57:45,129 --> 00:57:47,696
and it was like, there
was resistance on the hose.
1144
00:57:47,698 --> 00:57:50,532
As if someone was holding it,
so I couldn't vacuum.
1145
00:57:50,534 --> 00:57:53,101
And there was nothing
that it caught on?
Nothing like that?
1146
00:57:53,103 --> 00:57:56,939
Yeah, it was over wood floor,
so it's not like it was
getting stuck on carpet.
1147
00:57:56,941 --> 00:57:59,107
There were no kinks
in the tubing.
1148
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:59,808
Think that's that guy?
1149
00:57:59,877 --> 00:58:01,243
Yeah.
1150
00:58:04,882 --> 00:58:06,782
[Steve] Okay, so,
what else happened?
1151
00:58:06,817 --> 00:58:08,116
[Amy] The next walk...
1152
00:58:08,853 --> 00:58:10,619
Night, I started right here.
1153
00:58:10,687 --> 00:58:11,920
In the theater.
1154
00:58:11,922 --> 00:58:16,859
It was, like,
completely engulfed by rage
1155
00:58:16,861 --> 00:58:18,927
And it was coming
from this dead guy.
1156
00:58:18,963 --> 00:58:21,430
He's extremely intense.
1157
00:58:21,432 --> 00:58:23,532
He doesn't want
to be disrespected,
1158
00:58:23,534 --> 00:58:26,134
or challenged in any way,
shape or form.
1159
00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:28,570
I didn't particularly
care for him,
1160
00:58:28,572 --> 00:58:32,841
and I felt like it was
a possibility
that people would,
1161
00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:37,379
uh, potentially feel a sudden
onset of panic back there.
1162
00:58:38,048 --> 00:58:39,681
Is Lisa out here?
1163
00:58:39,683 --> 00:58:40,816
So, this is, Lisa.
1164
00:58:40,818 --> 00:58:41,783
Um, she used to work here.
1165
00:58:41,785 --> 00:58:43,752
Do me a favor,
1166
00:58:43,754 --> 00:58:46,889
just tell her about
what you were feeling
in the back, that time.
1167
00:58:46,891 --> 00:58:48,824
My friend and I were here.
1168
00:58:48,826 --> 00:58:51,593
We were hanging out
with the band backstage,
after the show.
1169
00:58:51,595 --> 00:58:53,729
And we were
kind of right between
1170
00:58:53,731 --> 00:58:56,899
where the couches are
and where the stage is.
1171
00:58:56,967 --> 00:59:00,335
-[Amy] Yeah.
-And I was like,
we need to go, now.
1172
00:59:00,471 --> 00:59:01,803
We need to leave now.
1173
00:59:01,939 --> 00:59:04,706
-You described it, as what?
Impending doom?
-[Lisa] Yeah.
1174
00:59:04,708 --> 00:59:06,708
And then,
as soon as we did leave,
1175
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:09,177
um, I didn't have
that feeling anymore.
1176
00:59:10,047 --> 00:59:11,146
Does he do anything else?
1177
00:59:11,214 --> 00:59:12,414
[Amy] Yes.
1178
00:59:12,416 --> 00:59:16,118
Then, I was suddenly inside
the body of a male.
1179
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,653
A living person.
1180
00:59:17,655 --> 00:59:20,522
And, whoever this guy is,
1181
00:59:20,524 --> 00:59:22,357
the dead dude
does not like him.
1182
00:59:22,426 --> 00:59:25,594
And he comes in and engulfs
the entire room
1183
00:59:25,596 --> 00:59:28,830
as, like, this huge,
black, mass of a man,
1184
00:59:28,832 --> 00:59:32,067
uh, trying to intimidate
this living male.
1185
00:59:32,570 --> 00:59:34,002
I did have a sketch done
1186
00:59:34,071 --> 00:59:36,939
of being inside
that living male's body
1187
00:59:37,007 --> 00:59:39,041
and seeing what he saw.
1188
00:59:47,117 --> 00:59:48,283
[Steve] Hmm.
1189
00:59:48,552 --> 00:59:50,052
It's interesting.
1190
00:59:50,054 --> 00:59:52,120
So, this is what he portrays
himself as?
1191
00:59:52,189 --> 00:59:53,255
[Amy] Mmm.
1192
00:59:53,257 --> 00:59:55,123
Yeah, take a look
at that, guys.
1193
00:59:57,728 --> 00:59:58,793
I have...
1194
00:59:58,795 --> 01:00:02,030
Kind of got chills
all over my body right now.
1195
01:00:04,735 --> 01:00:07,769
[Steve] Joshua, I mean,
you noticed some stuff
going on here.
1196
01:00:07,771 --> 01:00:08,971
Does this surprise you?
1197
01:00:08,973 --> 01:00:10,372
Honestly, no.
1198
01:00:10,407 --> 01:00:12,107
It feels familiar.
1199
01:00:12,943 --> 01:00:14,376
[Steve] Hey, Susan. You here?
1200
01:00:15,412 --> 01:00:16,344
There she is.
1201
01:00:17,414 --> 01:00:19,781
Hi, I'm Susan,
with the Orpheum.
1202
01:00:19,850 --> 01:00:20,983
[Amy] Hi.
1203
01:00:20,985 --> 01:00:22,117
So, Sue, when she...
1204
01:00:22,820 --> 01:00:23,685
...talked about the shadows,
1205
01:00:23,687 --> 01:00:24,753
you mentioned that to me.
1206
01:00:25,189 --> 01:00:27,389
Do you mind describing
it to Amy, for her?
1207
01:00:27,391 --> 01:00:29,291
When I first started
working here,
1208
01:00:29,293 --> 01:00:31,860
every so often, when I would
walk from the back,
1209
01:00:31,895 --> 01:00:37,165
I felt like up in the curtains
I would see more
of a shadowy mass,
1210
01:00:37,167 --> 01:00:39,968
not defined
and there was no interaction.
1211
01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:41,803
You didn't get a good feeling
off of it, though.
1212
01:00:41,805 --> 01:00:42,938
No.
1213
01:00:42,973 --> 01:00:43,872
That sound like him?
1214
01:00:43,874 --> 01:00:45,240
Yes.
1215
01:00:48,612 --> 01:00:50,245
[Steve] Okay, so what's next
1216
01:00:50,614 --> 01:00:54,850
[Amy] Then, I'm walking
up the street.
1217
01:00:54,918 --> 01:00:58,854
And there's, like, a railing.
so I just stopped
and looked down.
1218
01:00:58,856 --> 01:01:00,622
And there was, like,
all these men
1219
01:01:00,624 --> 01:01:02,724
who were being mistreated.
1220
01:01:02,726 --> 01:01:05,427
And here's what that part
of the walk looked like.
1221
01:01:09,833 --> 01:01:11,133
[Amy] I don't like this.
1222
01:01:12,403 --> 01:01:14,736
There's a bunch of men
down there.
1223
01:01:14,738 --> 01:01:15,404
And they're...
1224
01:01:16,573 --> 01:01:19,141
...in a lot of pain.
1225
01:01:19,143 --> 01:01:22,144
Damn, man. There's got to be
at least 10 of them.
1226
01:01:22,780 --> 01:01:24,112
They're laborers.
1227
01:01:24,782 --> 01:01:25,814
They're hurting.
1228
01:01:25,882 --> 01:01:29,184
1860, 1870.
1229
01:01:35,592 --> 01:01:38,927
[Steve] So, 10 dead laborers
who were mistreated
around the 1870s.
1230
01:01:38,929 --> 01:01:40,829
Think I have a pretty good
idea who you saw.
1231
01:01:40,831 --> 01:01:44,633
Now in 1876, Flagstaff began
building a railway system.
1232
01:01:44,635 --> 01:01:46,001
And there were quite
a few accidents,
1233
01:01:46,003 --> 01:01:47,736
but the worst one happened
in 1881.
1234
01:01:47,804 --> 01:01:49,738
That's when some black powder
1235
01:01:49,740 --> 01:01:52,941
exploded while 10 men
were building a tunnel.
1236
01:01:52,943 --> 01:01:55,243
Uh, seven of the men
were killed.
1237
01:01:55,312 --> 01:01:56,511
And, uh, three were maimed.
1238
01:01:56,513 --> 01:01:57,646
Oh [bleep].
1239
01:01:57,648 --> 01:02:00,682
[Steve] It was so bad,
the expert I spoke to,
1240
01:02:00,684 --> 01:02:04,019
said that body parts
were actually raining
from the sky.
1241
01:02:04,988 --> 01:02:07,222
Now, do you think those
railway workers
1242
01:02:07,224 --> 01:02:08,390
are who you might have seen?
1243
01:02:08,392 --> 01:02:09,391
Yeah.
1244
01:02:12,963 --> 01:02:14,296
[Steve] What happened next?
1245
01:02:15,432 --> 01:02:17,265
So, I went into this hotel.
1246
01:02:17,835 --> 01:02:19,968
Lots of dead people.
1247
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:22,671
The first thing
that I really noticed
1248
01:02:22,739 --> 01:02:23,972
was hearing piano music.
1249
01:02:23,974 --> 01:02:26,007
And it was coming
from upstairs.
1250
01:02:26,009 --> 01:02:29,177
So, I went up the stairs
and then, there was
this dead guy there.
1251
01:02:29,613 --> 01:02:32,714
Then, I saw some women.
1252
01:02:32,716 --> 01:02:35,917
And they were all, like,
chit-chatting.
1253
01:02:35,919 --> 01:02:37,652
Then, I went downstairs,
1254
01:02:37,654 --> 01:02:41,556
into... I don't know,
a restaurant or something.
1255
01:02:41,558 --> 01:02:42,858
There was a guy there,
1256
01:02:42,860 --> 01:02:44,760
who used to be
a business manager,
1257
01:02:44,762 --> 01:02:46,895
I think he kept
calling himself.
1258
01:02:46,897 --> 01:02:49,998
And this would have been,
maybe, in the '30s or '40s.
1259
01:02:50,033 --> 01:02:52,067
He was super solid as well.
1260
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:53,502
The living may see him.
1261
01:02:53,504 --> 01:02:55,504
And he does get annoyed
1262
01:02:55,506 --> 01:02:59,107
when people are not doing
the proper things.
1263
01:02:59,176 --> 01:03:02,410
[Steve] So, Amy,
the place is called
The Weatherford Hotel.
1264
01:03:02,446 --> 01:03:04,946
You mentioned
that the dead guy might
get annoyed with the living
1265
01:03:04,981 --> 01:03:07,849
Now, I want you
to meet Chelsea.
She runs the place.
1266
01:03:07,851 --> 01:03:10,952
Chelsea, tell Amy
about the bottle flying.
1267
01:03:10,954 --> 01:03:13,455
In the same area,
down in The Gopher Hole,
1268
01:03:13,523 --> 01:03:14,856
I was shining a glass.
1269
01:03:14,858 --> 01:03:18,393
All of a sudden,
another flute shot
right in front of my face,
1270
01:03:18,395 --> 01:03:21,329
hit the mirror in the back bar
and shattered.
1271
01:03:21,364 --> 01:03:25,801
Another time,
there is a shelf
right above the bar.
1272
01:03:25,869 --> 01:03:29,104
It's, um, very flush,
there's no reason
1273
01:03:29,106 --> 01:03:30,539
why anything would fall
off of it.
1274
01:03:30,607 --> 01:03:34,609
And the bottle
was actually tucked back
towards the wall area.
1275
01:03:34,678 --> 01:03:37,979
And, um, it had fallen over
and it almost hit the serve
1276
01:03:37,981 --> 01:03:40,048
which was there probably
a minute before.
1277
01:03:42,019 --> 01:03:43,084
[Amy] Oops.
1278
01:03:43,153 --> 01:03:44,752
-See it?
-Ah-ha.
1279
01:03:44,821 --> 01:03:47,722
The business manager,
do you think that's the one
that threw the bottle?
1280
01:03:47,724 --> 01:03:52,360
Yeah, that's the most
active [bleep] place
I walked tonight.
1281
01:03:52,429 --> 01:03:54,095
-Wow.
-[Amy] The hotel.
1282
01:03:55,966 --> 01:03:58,733
[Steve] Okay, so what's next
1283
01:03:58,769 --> 01:03:59,868
[Amy] So then, I left
1284
01:03:59,936 --> 01:04:02,771
and I went to the diner.
1285
01:04:02,839 --> 01:04:05,807
And there was only
one dead guy that I met.
1286
01:04:05,843 --> 01:04:06,708
Very, very present.
1287
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:08,376
Uh, very solid.
1288
01:04:08,378 --> 01:04:10,679
I got that his name
was something like Bill.
1289
01:04:10,681 --> 01:04:13,815
And I think he may have owned
the business at some point.
1290
01:04:13,817 --> 01:04:16,518
He does tend to move
things around.
1291
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,653
So, going through the deeds
for your place,
1292
01:04:18,655 --> 01:04:24,059
I found that your diner
was De Noel's Bakery
from 1927 to 1970.
1293
01:04:24,127 --> 01:04:26,862
The guy who ran it
from the '50s
and to the close
1294
01:04:26,864 --> 01:04:29,631
-was Bob Noel.
-Ah.
1295
01:04:29,633 --> 01:04:31,600
[Steve] Now you said he moves
things around.
1296
01:04:31,668 --> 01:04:35,070
Nancy, I want you to tell Amy
about the sweeper.
1297
01:04:35,072 --> 01:04:38,773
[Nancy] I was in the basement
of the diner.
1298
01:04:38,775 --> 01:04:41,776
And I felt someone
behind me sweeping the floor.
1299
01:04:41,778 --> 01:04:43,979
-Hmm.
-[Nancy] And I could see
the motion of it.
1300
01:04:44,014 --> 01:04:45,714
And I turned around to talk
to them,
1301
01:04:45,749 --> 01:04:47,549
and there was nobody there.
1302
01:04:47,551 --> 01:04:49,384
Have you seen any
other movements or...
1303
01:04:49,386 --> 01:04:52,954
[Nancy] I've seen things,
we've had things move...
1304
01:04:52,956 --> 01:04:55,223
Is it possible the previous
former guy that owned
the place, Bob Noel?
1305
01:04:55,225 --> 01:04:56,324
[Amy] Yeah.
1306
01:04:56,627 --> 01:04:58,126
It's his place.
1307
01:04:58,729 --> 01:05:00,328
You're cool with him
staying, right?
1308
01:05:01,665 --> 01:05:04,032
-I mean...
-[audience murmuring]
1309
01:05:04,902 --> 01:05:06,368
'Cause he really
wants to stay.
1310
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:10,305
[indistinct whispering]
1311
01:05:14,811 --> 01:05:16,244
[indistinct whispering]
1312
01:05:22,152 --> 01:05:25,987
Now, I'm going
to talk about...
1313
01:05:26,056 --> 01:05:29,124
...things that kind of
affect the entire town.
1314
01:05:31,628 --> 01:05:33,395
There are three things.
1315
01:05:33,397 --> 01:05:35,597
I'll start off
with the dead woman.
1316
01:05:35,665 --> 01:05:36,765
I called her the bride,
1317
01:05:36,767 --> 01:05:40,702
uh, because she's wearing
a wedding dress.
1318
01:05:40,704 --> 01:05:42,637
And she was on both
of my walks.
1319
01:05:42,639 --> 01:05:45,407
And she does travel around.
1320
01:05:45,409 --> 01:05:47,275
But, her favorite place,
is here.
1321
01:05:47,945 --> 01:05:49,377
The problem with her
1322
01:05:49,446 --> 01:05:51,646
is that she can jump people.
1323
01:05:51,648 --> 01:05:53,715
That is not good
1324
01:05:53,717 --> 01:05:56,017
because the person
can lose control
1325
01:05:56,086 --> 01:05:59,020
for seconds to minutes
over their body.
1326
01:05:59,022 --> 01:06:00,755
And when she gets annoyed,
1327
01:06:00,757 --> 01:06:03,792
she'll screw things up,
uh, with electricity.
1328
01:06:03,794 --> 01:06:06,027
She's really good at that.
1329
01:06:06,997 --> 01:06:08,029
So, we'll start
with the electricity.
1330
01:06:08,031 --> 01:06:11,166
Susan, can you explain
to Amy what's going on?
1331
01:06:11,168 --> 01:06:13,601
I would come in once
every week
1332
01:06:13,603 --> 01:06:16,371
and two very high up lights
1333
01:06:16,373 --> 01:06:19,074
in our lighting tracks
would be on.
1334
01:06:19,076 --> 01:06:23,411
And, they're not lights
that you can turn on
with a switch.
1335
01:06:23,413 --> 01:06:25,380
And I would bring
in my production guys,
1336
01:06:25,382 --> 01:06:28,717
have them look at it
and no explanation.
1337
01:06:28,719 --> 01:06:31,119
[Steve] Now, Amy,
you mentioned
she can jump people.
1338
01:06:31,788 --> 01:06:33,021
Lisa, remember
when we discussed
1339
01:06:33,023 --> 01:06:35,890
about people not acting
the way they should?
1340
01:06:35,892 --> 01:06:37,325
-Yes.
-Tell that to Amy.
1341
01:06:37,327 --> 01:06:40,929
I have seen and experienced
people doing things that
[inhales]
1342
01:06:40,997 --> 01:06:42,964
I would not think
is in their character.
1343
01:06:42,966 --> 01:06:46,001
And very... bad things.
1344
01:06:46,003 --> 01:06:48,003
Can I have one example?
1345
01:06:48,005 --> 01:06:50,105
Sure, I mean, I can give two.
1346
01:06:50,107 --> 01:06:52,507
And both have to do
with people that I work with
stabbing other people.
1347
01:06:52,509 --> 01:06:54,008
[bleep]
1348
01:06:54,010 --> 01:06:57,479
So, is that something
that could be tied
into her jumping people?
1349
01:06:57,481 --> 01:06:59,147
Yes, yes.
1350
01:07:00,317 --> 01:07:02,684
[Steve] So this bride,
does she do anything else?
1351
01:07:02,686 --> 01:07:04,552
She really likes it up here
1352
01:07:04,554 --> 01:07:06,955
and, uh, this is what I got.
1353
01:07:09,659 --> 01:07:12,360
So I'm getting that she caus
a lot of problems
1354
01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:16,831
with people on the stage.
1355
01:07:16,833 --> 01:07:19,401
She... She... She... She...
She's very upset.
1356
01:07:19,403 --> 01:07:20,935
She doesn't wanna go anywher
1357
01:07:20,937 --> 01:07:22,937
Uh, she likes it here.
1358
01:07:22,939 --> 01:07:26,808
She does a lot
of bad things here.
1359
01:07:26,810 --> 01:07:29,811
She, uh,
is climbing on their backs.
1360
01:07:29,813 --> 01:07:31,813
I wonder if they feel, uh,
1361
01:07:31,815 --> 01:07:34,315
literally a weight,
1362
01:07:34,317 --> 01:07:37,786
uh, on their shoulders
all of a sudden.
1363
01:07:37,854 --> 01:07:41,322
Feeling like something
really heavy
slammed on to them.
1364
01:07:42,893 --> 01:07:45,026
And I had a sketch
done of what I saw.
1365
01:07:54,037 --> 01:07:55,236
That's [bleep] up.
1366
01:07:59,676 --> 01:08:00,909
[Nancy] Horrible.
1367
01:08:00,911 --> 01:08:03,812
[Joshua] The legs
over the shoulders,
1368
01:08:03,814 --> 01:08:06,815
that it's fully over,
as you said.
1369
01:08:06,817 --> 01:08:08,216
That's [bleep] up.
1370
01:08:09,186 --> 01:08:10,552
So Amy I brought Lisa back up.
1371
01:08:10,554 --> 01:08:11,886
[clears throat]
1372
01:08:12,389 --> 01:08:16,024
I want her to talk
about what I consider
a violent incident.
1373
01:08:16,026 --> 01:08:18,593
So this was about 10 years ago
1374
01:08:18,595 --> 01:08:19,761
and I worked here.
1375
01:08:19,763 --> 01:08:20,695
And I was
about six months pregnant.
1376
01:08:20,697 --> 01:08:22,964
Something pushed me
from behind
1377
01:08:22,966 --> 01:08:26,134
and I kind of, like.
slammed into one
of the high top tables.
1378
01:08:26,169 --> 01:08:28,736
-Okay.
-She did demonstrate on me.
1379
01:08:28,738 --> 01:08:30,905
I'm the lightweight,
obviously, we know.
1380
01:08:30,907 --> 01:08:31,973
-Yeah.
-[Steve] And...
1381
01:08:31,975 --> 01:08:33,441
...she gave me a jolt.
1382
01:08:34,111 --> 01:08:35,310
What are you thinking?
1383
01:08:35,312 --> 01:08:38,246
Ah, it could be a woman.
1384
01:08:41,618 --> 01:08:44,152
[Steve] So, you said
there were
three things, right?
1385
01:08:44,154 --> 01:08:45,787
-[Amy] Yeah.
-[Steve] So
what's the second?
1386
01:08:45,789 --> 01:08:46,720
[Amy] This is...
1387
01:08:47,591 --> 01:08:49,357
...where it gets
a little different.
1388
01:08:49,392 --> 01:08:51,826
So, I initially
was calling it a thing.
1389
01:08:51,828 --> 01:08:53,862
This was never human
1390
01:08:53,864 --> 01:08:55,697
and it was not
from this Earth.
1391
01:08:55,765 --> 01:08:57,532
It's all over town.
1392
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:02,003
It's been here
for an extremely long time.
1393
01:09:02,005 --> 01:09:05,840
On the first night when I was
in the basement of the shop,
1394
01:09:05,909 --> 01:09:07,442
I saw it coming and going
1395
01:09:07,444 --> 01:09:09,511
down there through the walls.
1396
01:09:09,513 --> 01:09:13,014
So, it kind of travels
around town
underground, I guess.
1397
01:09:13,082 --> 01:09:16,151
It can show itself
to people in different ways.
1398
01:09:16,153 --> 01:09:17,952
I just wanna get Ari up there.
1399
01:09:18,021 --> 01:09:19,721
Hi, I'm Ari.
1400
01:09:19,723 --> 01:09:20,888
I'm a Flagstaff local.
1401
01:09:20,890 --> 01:09:22,857
-Didn't you tell me
about a face?
-[Ari] Yeah.
1402
01:09:22,859 --> 01:09:25,360
I was in the basement
of the downtown diner
1403
01:09:25,428 --> 01:09:26,961
and in the corner of it
1404
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:30,899
I saw a very grey, long,
disheveled face.
1405
01:09:30,901 --> 01:09:32,767
It had no body.
1406
01:09:32,769 --> 01:09:35,870
It gave me a very big sense
of dread.
1407
01:09:35,872 --> 01:09:36,503
[Amy] Here's the thing.
1408
01:09:36,505 --> 01:09:38,773
According to this thing,
1409
01:09:38,775 --> 01:09:41,409
it's not trying
to scare people,
1410
01:09:41,411 --> 01:09:43,378
it's trying to comfort them.
1411
01:09:43,446 --> 01:09:46,548
So, it can
give them information
about the future,
1412
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:51,519
but I'm skeptical
about it myself.
1413
01:09:51,521 --> 01:09:53,988
We've worked together
more than 10 years now
1414
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:55,890
and that's one
of the stranger things
you've ever run into.
1415
01:09:55,892 --> 01:09:58,092
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
1416
01:09:59,029 --> 01:10:01,563
All right, so how would this
affect regular people
in the town.
1417
01:10:01,598 --> 01:10:03,898
[Amy] People would have
1418
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:07,869
really clear,
you know, visions
or hearing something
1419
01:10:07,871 --> 01:10:11,406
talking about a future event
or something of that nature.
1420
01:10:11,408 --> 01:10:13,808
It's weird to me that
you would say that there...
1421
01:10:13,876 --> 01:10:17,078
This thing is giving us,
like, glimpses of the future
1422
01:10:17,113 --> 01:10:18,646
because I've definitely
had experiences
1423
01:10:18,682 --> 01:10:21,182
where I've had a dream
1424
01:10:21,184 --> 01:10:24,219
and it wasn't something
that happened to me
in the past
1425
01:10:24,221 --> 01:10:27,722
but all of a sudden
it became something
that came to fruition.
1426
01:10:27,724 --> 01:10:29,023
Oh.
1427
01:10:29,025 --> 01:10:32,894
My concern was
if it was, like,
harming people in a way.
1428
01:10:32,962 --> 01:10:34,128
Uh, but it...
1429
01:10:34,130 --> 01:10:37,232
From what you're saying,
it wouldn't seem that way.
1430
01:10:38,401 --> 01:10:40,134
Anybody else dreaming?
1431
01:10:41,705 --> 01:10:42,704
[sighs]
1432
01:10:42,772 --> 01:10:45,740
My name is Kimberly
and I'm a Flagstaff local.
1433
01:10:45,742 --> 01:10:50,612
I actually had a dream
last month that ended up
coming true.
1434
01:10:50,614 --> 01:10:54,015
Um, I had misplaced
my grandmother's ring
1435
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:55,984
which she passed
a couple of years ago.
1436
01:10:55,986 --> 01:10:58,019
So, it means a lot to me
1437
01:10:58,021 --> 01:11:00,021
and uh, I had a dream
1438
01:11:00,657 --> 01:11:02,824
that basically was like...
1439
01:11:02,826 --> 01:11:05,093
Your ring is here in this room
1440
01:11:05,428 --> 01:11:07,395
and it just, like, showed me
1441
01:11:07,397 --> 01:11:10,031
the exact area and, uh,
1442
01:11:10,066 --> 01:11:11,966
I went to that spot
and sure enough it was there.
1443
01:11:11,968 --> 01:11:12,967
-That's positive.
-[Steve] Glad you found it.
1444
01:11:12,969 --> 01:11:14,335
Yeah.
1445
01:11:14,337 --> 01:11:15,737
[Amy] Well,
now I'm re-evaluating.
1446
01:11:15,739 --> 01:11:18,273
All right,
maybe he's not a bad guy.
1447
01:11:19,809 --> 01:11:22,677
You guys know
this town is 7,000 feet up
and it's killing me.
1448
01:11:22,679 --> 01:11:24,779
I mean I'm having
a tough time here.
1449
01:11:24,781 --> 01:11:26,781
So I was actually reading
about mountain climbers
1450
01:11:26,783 --> 01:11:28,816
sometimes seeing apparitions
1451
01:11:28,885 --> 01:11:31,686
because they get disoriented
from the low oxygen.
1452
01:11:31,754 --> 01:11:33,488
So I got three towns people
1453
01:11:33,556 --> 01:11:36,491
seeing weird stuff
to take an altitude test.
1454
01:11:36,493 --> 01:11:39,827
We showed them a mix
of humans and mannequins
1455
01:11:39,829 --> 01:11:42,330
and asked them
to identify the real people
1456
01:11:43,099 --> 01:11:44,666
All of them got it wrong.
1457
01:11:44,668 --> 01:11:47,101
We were simulating
a much higher altitude.
1458
01:11:47,103 --> 01:11:49,304
So, what the test proved
1459
01:11:49,306 --> 01:11:52,674
is it's possible
tourists are actually
seeing things.
1460
01:11:52,676 --> 01:11:55,410
But this doesn't explain
what the locals
are experiencing
1461
01:11:55,412 --> 01:11:57,378
because they're adjusted
to the altitude.
1462
01:11:57,447 --> 01:12:00,682
That's interesting though.
I like that study,
that's cool.
1463
01:12:00,750 --> 01:12:03,551
So, um, Amy, you mentioned
this thing goes
1464
01:12:03,586 --> 01:12:05,653
through walkways,
down in the basement.
1465
01:12:05,655 --> 01:12:08,856
So, you should know
there's a series of tunnels
that run underneath the city.
1466
01:12:08,858 --> 01:12:10,525
There have been
a lot of weird rumors
1467
01:12:10,527 --> 01:12:12,894
about what happened
in these tunnels.
1468
01:12:12,929 --> 01:12:16,831
But I spoke to a woman
who directed a documentary
on the tunnels.
1469
01:12:16,833 --> 01:12:18,266
Now, she set
the record straight.
1470
01:12:18,268 --> 01:12:20,301
They were built in the 1880s.
1471
01:12:20,303 --> 01:12:24,539
The smaller ones
were used to steam heat
for the businesses downtown.
1472
01:12:24,541 --> 01:12:28,643
Now the larger ones
we used as passage ways
between the buildings.
1473
01:12:28,678 --> 01:12:30,778
These tunnels are a big part
of Flagstaff lore.
1474
01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:32,947
I wanted to go
check 'em out myself
1475
01:12:32,949 --> 01:12:34,282
but most of them
are now boarded up.
1476
01:12:34,284 --> 01:12:37,118
Huh, interesting.
1477
01:12:40,056 --> 01:12:42,523
[Steve] Now you said
there were three things
that concern you in the town
1478
01:12:42,525 --> 01:12:45,026
We got the bride,
we got the thing.
What else?
1479
01:12:45,094 --> 01:12:47,495
I'm definitely worried
about this guy.
1480
01:12:47,497 --> 01:12:50,498
He was super present
1481
01:12:50,500 --> 01:12:55,269
on the first walk
in the basement
of the shop.
1482
01:12:55,271 --> 01:12:59,741
I got that he was
one of the original owners
of this land or town.
1483
01:12:59,743 --> 01:13:05,680
The thing is,
is that he still believes
that this is his town.
1484
01:13:05,682 --> 01:13:08,383
I put him maybe
in the mid-1800s.
1485
01:13:08,385 --> 01:13:10,718
I heard a name, uh, like Jack.
1486
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,588
Uh, and I got that he...
1487
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:17,492
...I think died
from some kind of disease.
1488
01:13:17,494 --> 01:13:20,361
Okay, so what you're saying
is making me think
1489
01:13:20,430 --> 01:13:22,930
about one
of the original owners
of Jessica's property.
1490
01:13:22,932 --> 01:13:24,766
His name wasn't Jack,
but it's close.
1491
01:13:24,768 --> 01:13:25,566
His name was James Vail.
1492
01:13:25,568 --> 01:13:27,602
Mmm, oh, interesting.
1493
01:13:27,604 --> 01:13:30,705
Now Karen,
a local professor, uh,
told me about this story.
1494
01:13:30,740 --> 01:13:33,975
He started off in Flagstaff
as a bartender at a saloon,
1495
01:13:33,977 --> 01:13:36,711
uh, where Jessica's
store sits now.
1496
01:13:36,746 --> 01:13:38,413
Vail was a pretty smart
businessman
1497
01:13:38,415 --> 01:13:40,915
and wind up owning the bar
few years later.
1498
01:13:40,917 --> 01:13:44,185
In the 1880s,
he bought the building
and added a brothel.
1499
01:13:44,721 --> 01:13:46,354
This is a photo
1500
01:13:46,990 --> 01:13:50,057
of what that looked
like back then.
1501
01:13:50,059 --> 01:13:51,559
So Vail was making
so much money,
1502
01:13:51,561 --> 01:13:53,828
he started buying
property all over the town
1503
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:54,629
that he used
for cattle ranching.
1504
01:13:54,631 --> 01:13:57,698
We're talking
about 1300 acres.
1505
01:13:57,700 --> 01:14:02,336
But in 1905, Vail suffered
a life changing accident
in one of his ranches.
1506
01:14:02,338 --> 01:14:05,006
Uh, he was run over by a wagon
and nearly lost his life.
1507
01:14:05,008 --> 01:14:06,140
Ooh.
1508
01:14:06,142 --> 01:14:07,975
Vail never recovered
1509
01:14:07,977 --> 01:14:09,610
and he was crippled
and in terrible pain.
1510
01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:10,912
Mmm.
1511
01:14:10,914 --> 01:14:11,813
Apparently it
was too much for him.
1512
01:14:11,848 --> 01:14:14,415
And on April 3rd, 1906,
1513
01:14:14,417 --> 01:14:15,917
Vail put a gun to his head
and pulled the trigger.
1514
01:14:15,985 --> 01:14:18,719
-Oh, damn.
-[Steve] Yeah.
1515
01:14:18,721 --> 01:14:19,887
[Amy] How old was he
when he died?
1516
01:14:19,956 --> 01:14:21,856
[Steve] Vail was 45 years old
when he killed himself.
1517
01:14:21,858 --> 01:14:23,357
-Really?
-[Steve] Yeah.
1518
01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:25,626
Could James Vail
be this dead guy you saw?
1519
01:14:25,695 --> 01:14:29,831
Yeah, I mean
I see a lot of the boxes
being, like checked.
1520
01:14:29,866 --> 01:14:31,532
She said you were worried
about this guy, but why?
1521
01:14:31,534 --> 01:14:35,102
[Amy] Well he goes all over...
1522
01:14:35,104 --> 01:14:39,740
When he was alive,
uh, one of the things
that I saw him doing
1523
01:14:39,742 --> 01:14:40,975
was actually
eating a human heart.
1524
01:14:40,977 --> 01:14:42,743
[crowd gasping]
1525
01:14:42,745 --> 01:14:43,878
[Amy] When I went
into the basement,
1526
01:14:43,946 --> 01:14:46,380
I saw him again and...
1527
01:14:46,416 --> 01:14:48,816
He likes to be
alone down there
1528
01:14:48,818 --> 01:14:51,986
and he'll get really pissed
1529
01:14:52,021 --> 01:14:54,889
when people invade his space.
1530
01:14:54,891 --> 01:14:58,793
He can, uh, push people.
1531
01:14:58,795 --> 01:15:03,197
The living would see him
as a flat looking
shadow type figure.
1532
01:15:06,002 --> 01:15:09,403
When he's in this area,
he likes to hang
out down here.
1533
01:15:09,405 --> 01:15:11,973
And he like, plots and plans.
1534
01:15:12,008 --> 01:15:14,041
He's writing out names
of people he hates,
1535
01:15:14,043 --> 01:15:16,077
people he wants to do harm t
1536
01:15:16,079 --> 01:15:17,044
That's what he does.
1537
01:15:17,046 --> 01:15:19,981
He does that wide circling,
wide circling.
1538
01:15:20,683 --> 01:15:23,351
And I think this might be
one of the [bleep] places.
1539
01:15:25,321 --> 01:15:27,755
Now let's talk
about the basement.
1540
01:15:27,757 --> 01:15:31,692
Uh, everyone
at Jessica's store hates,
hates the basement.
1541
01:15:31,761 --> 01:15:33,126
Hates it down there.
1542
01:15:33,128 --> 01:15:36,097
So Jessica,
do me a favor and, uh,
describe the black shadow,
1543
01:15:36,099 --> 01:15:38,399
um, you saw in the basement?
1544
01:15:38,401 --> 01:15:40,902
So, I was walking,
1545
01:15:40,904 --> 01:15:43,704
you know, from one end
of the basement to the other,
1546
01:15:43,706 --> 01:15:45,706
and out of the corner
of my eye,
1547
01:15:45,708 --> 01:15:48,409
I saw, like, a big shadow
1548
01:15:48,411 --> 01:15:50,411
that was kind of,
like, going by me.
1549
01:15:52,181 --> 01:15:54,515
This is Jordan,
you remember from before,
she works at the shop.
1550
01:15:54,517 --> 01:15:55,516
Hi.
1551
01:15:55,518 --> 01:15:57,818
When I was downstairs
in the basement,
1552
01:15:57,820 --> 01:16:01,122
there was a big black shado
right behind me.
1553
01:16:01,124 --> 01:16:02,990
It didn't feel humanoid to me,
1554
01:16:02,992 --> 01:16:05,226
but it was
very threatening feeling.
1555
01:16:05,228 --> 01:16:06,827
Mmm, okay.
1556
01:16:06,896 --> 01:16:10,398
He does take people's energy
and makes them sick.
1557
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,935
Some people that he
hones in on,
1558
01:16:13,970 --> 01:16:17,305
uh, he can follow them home
and make them sicker.
1559
01:16:17,607 --> 01:16:19,173
Where's Adalyn?
1560
01:16:19,175 --> 01:16:21,609
I'm Adalyn and I work
at the crystal shop as well.
1561
01:16:21,611 --> 01:16:22,910
Hi.
1562
01:16:22,912 --> 01:16:24,745
Adalyn, didn't you tell me
you got sick down there?
1563
01:16:24,781 --> 01:16:26,313
[Adalyn] Yes.
1564
01:16:26,315 --> 01:16:28,916
Every now and again
whenever I go downstairs
which is pretty frequent,
1565
01:16:28,985 --> 01:16:32,587
sometimes I get a feeling
of just, like, dread
in my stomach
1566
01:16:32,589 --> 01:16:35,489
or, um,
just, like, something
doesn't want me there.
1567
01:16:35,491 --> 01:16:37,158
Didn't you tell me
your biggest fear
1568
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:38,693
was that something would...
Might follow you home?
1569
01:16:38,761 --> 01:16:39,994
[Adalyn] Yeah.
1570
01:16:39,996 --> 01:16:42,096
I would just get nervous
that it would get,
like, attached
1571
01:16:42,131 --> 01:16:43,397
or something like that.
1572
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,232
Should she be worried?
1573
01:16:46,769 --> 01:16:48,869
This guy,
yeah, he can go places.
1574
01:16:48,871 --> 01:16:51,606
He tends to,
like, fixate on people
1575
01:16:51,608 --> 01:16:54,542
who are prone to illnesses.
1576
01:16:54,544 --> 01:16:58,179
So, I also had a sketch done
of what I saw.
1577
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,394
Creepy looking son of a bitch.
Take a look at that.
1578
01:17:18,968 --> 01:17:21,369
-[Nancy] Very scary.
-Yeah.
1579
01:17:21,437 --> 01:17:24,472
And he's the one
you said goes
all around town?
1580
01:17:24,474 --> 01:17:26,240
Yeah, he likes
to make people sick.
1581
01:17:28,411 --> 01:17:32,580
He definitely looks
like some old mogul guy.
1582
01:17:32,582 --> 01:17:35,583
This reminds me of like...
I don't know, Scrooge.
1583
01:17:35,585 --> 01:17:37,618
What does this guy want
from everybody in town?
1584
01:17:37,620 --> 01:17:39,453
Everything he owned
he wants it back.
1585
01:17:39,455 --> 01:17:41,656
I was actually
seeing these people.
1586
01:17:41,724 --> 01:17:46,661
That he's writing down
their names and going there,
going there.
1587
01:17:46,663 --> 01:17:48,429
Gonna take them down.
Gonna [bleep] him up.
1588
01:17:48,431 --> 01:17:49,597
This makes me feel horrible.
1589
01:17:49,599 --> 01:17:53,000
I wanna know my name's
not on that paper
1590
01:17:53,069 --> 01:17:58,072
and I wanna know
how can I be safe
from being on that paper.
1591
01:18:04,414 --> 01:18:05,446
[indistinct whispering]
1592
01:18:09,552 --> 01:18:11,252
[indistinct whispering]
1593
01:18:16,859 --> 01:18:19,694
[Steve] So, I know
everyone here
is passionate about this city
1594
01:18:19,696 --> 01:18:20,928
and I can understand why.
1595
01:18:20,930 --> 01:18:22,630
Flagstaff is beautiful.
1596
01:18:22,632 --> 01:18:26,400
But after what
we've heard tonight,
there's clearly a problem.
1597
01:18:26,402 --> 01:18:28,769
So what's it gonna take
to make this place safe?
1598
01:18:28,771 --> 01:18:31,005
For that, I'm gonna
turn it over to Amy.
1599
01:18:32,909 --> 01:18:35,810
[Amy] For the crystal shop,
1600
01:18:35,812 --> 01:18:38,479
the first person
I would really like
to see moved on
1601
01:18:38,547 --> 01:18:40,081
is the ADHD guy.
1602
01:18:40,149 --> 01:18:44,585
The best bet
would be having a younger
male medium.
1603
01:18:44,587 --> 01:18:46,520
Maybe in his early 20s.
1604
01:18:46,522 --> 01:18:50,224
Just so he can have a bond
with that male.
1605
01:18:50,226 --> 01:18:52,293
I think that would go
really smoothly.
1606
01:18:53,963 --> 01:18:58,399
Then we have this location
with the angry male.
1607
01:18:58,401 --> 01:19:02,503
I believe that
a motherly female type
1608
01:19:02,505 --> 01:19:07,842
who is a medium
would be able
to move him on.
1609
01:19:07,844 --> 01:19:11,779
As far as the laborers,
honestly, they need
some more time
1610
01:19:11,847 --> 01:19:14,381
to kind of
work out their [bleep].
1611
01:19:14,383 --> 01:19:16,917
I know it sucks
'cause they are
in a lot of pain
1612
01:19:16,919 --> 01:19:19,720
but they're not
completely aware
that they're deceased.
1613
01:19:19,789 --> 01:19:21,655
So leave the 10 guys alone.
1614
01:19:21,724 --> 01:19:23,791
-Yes.
-They're working
through things.
1615
01:19:23,793 --> 01:19:26,360
All right, so any advice
for the hotel?
1616
01:19:26,428 --> 01:19:28,529
[Amy] Upstairs,
what would be really great
1617
01:19:28,531 --> 01:19:32,600
is maybe having
a couple of mediums
1618
01:19:32,602 --> 01:19:37,772
come through and sit down
with these various dead
who want to talk.
1619
01:19:37,774 --> 01:19:39,607
Because there's
a lot of dead there
1620
01:19:39,609 --> 01:19:43,244
who would love
to tell their stories.
1621
01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:45,513
A lot of them,
once they do that
1622
01:19:45,515 --> 01:19:49,416
will automatically
be able to move on.
1623
01:19:49,418 --> 01:19:52,019
[Steve] All right,
now what about the guy
at Nancy's diner.
1624
01:19:52,021 --> 01:19:54,188
-He's good to go?
-Oh, he's awesome,
I mean...
1625
01:19:54,757 --> 01:19:55,756
I like him.
1626
01:19:55,758 --> 01:19:56,557
He's a good guy.
1627
01:19:57,660 --> 01:19:59,093
So you don't
have to do anything.
1628
01:19:59,161 --> 01:20:00,694
He doesn't wanna leave,
so and you're cool.
1629
01:20:00,696 --> 01:20:01,796
So, that's good.
1630
01:20:01,798 --> 01:20:03,964
[Steve] Okay, now how
about the things
1631
01:20:03,999 --> 01:20:05,432
that are affecting
the whole town?
1632
01:20:05,434 --> 01:20:08,969
As far as the thing goes,
is that okay?
1633
01:20:11,073 --> 01:20:14,241
Personally,
I'm still one the fence
about the whole thing.
1634
01:20:16,679 --> 01:20:19,847
But, it seems to be positive.
1635
01:20:19,849 --> 01:20:22,383
So, let's just monitor
the situation,
1636
01:20:22,385 --> 01:20:24,451
but we'll leave him alone
for now.
1637
01:20:24,453 --> 01:20:26,887
[Steve] Okay.
What about the bride?
1638
01:20:26,889 --> 01:20:32,626
With the bride
who's potentially
a big [bleep] problem.
1639
01:20:32,628 --> 01:20:35,629
I would like to get kind of
brutal with her
1640
01:20:35,631 --> 01:20:39,500
and bring in a
female demonologist
1641
01:20:39,502 --> 01:20:42,403
who's going to, uh,
exorcise her.
1642
01:20:44,907 --> 01:20:46,340
So any particular
location for that though?
1643
01:20:46,342 --> 01:20:49,243
-Here since this is
her favorite spot.
-[Steve] Okay
1644
01:20:50,746 --> 01:20:53,581
[Steve] Now
the shadow guy seems
to be the biggest issue.
1645
01:20:53,583 --> 01:20:55,282
What are we gonna
do about him?
1646
01:20:57,086 --> 01:21:01,722
I want to have
a male demonologist
1647
01:21:01,724 --> 01:21:06,360
and a shaman coming at him
at the same time
in the basement
1648
01:21:06,428 --> 01:21:08,195
of the crystal place.
1649
01:21:09,866 --> 01:21:14,768
By going at him
with both of these,
uh, people
1650
01:21:14,837 --> 01:21:17,204
he will be contained
and removed.
1651
01:21:21,777 --> 01:21:24,778
It sounds like if the bride
and the two guys are gone,
1652
01:21:24,780 --> 01:21:25,980
things should be
a little better here?
1653
01:21:25,982 --> 01:21:27,748
Yeah, that'll be good.
1654
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:30,684
So, Chelsea,
you heard what Amy said.
1655
01:21:30,686 --> 01:21:31,952
Uh, you gonna follow
her advice at all?
1656
01:21:31,954 --> 01:21:34,588
-Of course, yeah.
-[Steve] Okay.
1657
01:21:34,590 --> 01:21:36,423
Jessica, you're the reason
we're in town.
1658
01:21:36,425 --> 01:21:39,026
I mean you called
for help originally.
1659
01:21:39,028 --> 01:21:41,896
Uh, it seems like you got
the most problems
in that basement.
1660
01:21:41,898 --> 01:21:43,196
Yeah.
1661
01:21:43,198 --> 01:21:44,698
Are you gonna follow up
with some
of Amy's suggestions?
1662
01:21:44,700 --> 01:21:45,933
Well, absolutely.
1663
01:21:46,769 --> 01:21:47,902
Were you shocked at all
or surprised by what
you heard?
1664
01:21:47,937 --> 01:21:49,536
Absolutely, yeah.
1665
01:21:49,538 --> 01:21:51,171
Yeah, kind of
floored actually.
1666
01:21:54,543 --> 01:21:57,745
So, Susan, you got a couple
of bad guys here.
1667
01:21:57,747 --> 01:22:00,247
Yeah it's definitely
a surprise, honestly,
1668
01:22:00,249 --> 01:22:03,884
and definitely worrisome
on a energetic level.
1669
01:22:03,953 --> 01:22:06,820
Well, better to get
her out of here
before she closes her palm
1670
01:22:06,822 --> 01:22:07,888
on a group you got here or...
1671
01:22:07,957 --> 01:22:09,790
Yeah, it's not what
we wanna be known for.
1672
01:22:09,825 --> 01:22:11,024
-That's for sure.
-[Steve] Yeah.
1673
01:22:12,328 --> 01:22:15,629
Well, some of you thought
whatever she is no big deal
1674
01:22:15,631 --> 01:22:17,932
and some of you
thought it was a problem,
it could be dangerous.
1675
01:22:17,934 --> 01:22:19,833
Obviously,
it's a little bit of both,
1676
01:22:19,835 --> 01:22:21,669
but more dangerous
than we thought.
1677
01:22:21,671 --> 01:22:23,203
But now we've got a gameplan
1678
01:22:23,205 --> 01:22:25,806
and hopefully you guys will
go through with it.
1679
01:22:25,808 --> 01:22:30,110
So, we appreciate you, uh,
allowing us to come into town
and doing this investigation.
1680
01:22:30,179 --> 01:22:31,412
I hope everybody's
happy with it.
1681
01:22:31,414 --> 01:22:31,946
Yes.
1682
01:22:31,948 --> 01:22:32,779
Yeah.
1683
01:22:32,815 --> 01:22:33,914
Thank you so much
for having us
1684
01:22:33,916 --> 01:22:36,317
and, uh, hopefully things
will work out.
1685
01:22:37,486 --> 01:22:39,753
[Amy] This was
a very unique case.
1686
01:22:39,822 --> 01:22:43,691
Steve and I have never
investigated an entire
town before.
1687
01:22:43,693 --> 01:22:45,459
But I was glad we were able
1688
01:22:45,461 --> 01:22:48,529
to give the people
of Flagstaff
some good news.
1689
01:22:48,531 --> 01:22:52,199
If they follow my advice,
this town will be a lot safer
1690
01:22:52,201 --> 01:22:55,035
for the people who live, work
and visit here.