[Amy] He's writing out name of the people he hates.
He does follow people home
and he makes people sick.
Every single person that I have working with me right now
has had something happen.
I'm just worried that it could follow me home, hurt someone I love...
[Amy] He can go anywhere to anyone at any time.
Not good.
If you're okay with it, maybe we expand our investigation
and do another walk.
[Amy] I'm seeing skeletons.
They're stacked on top of each other.
Body parts were actually raining down from the sky.
One of the things that I saw him doing
-was actually eating a human heart. -[audience gasps]
[Amy] He still believes that this is his town.
He wants it back.
He wants the person dead.
My name is Amy Allan.
[groans]
I see dead people.
I saw a winged creature.
I speak to dead people.
And they speak to me.
This person feels like a monster.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
They are sucking the life out of these people.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve DiSchiavi.
I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.
So how many bodies are we talking?
And I know every person, every house has secrets.
It's my job to reveal them.
But Steve and I never speak.
We never communicate during an investigation.
Until the very end.
-You're not gonna like this. -[gasps]
When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...
I'm sorry. I need to take a break.
...or time to get out.
It wants inside the house 'cause it wants to kill you.
[gasps]
[Steve] Amy and I got calle into Flagstaff a couple of weeks ago
to help a business that was struggling with the paranormal.
Little did we know, at the time,
that the entire freakin' town was haunted.
So we decided to stay and expand our investigation
and, for the first time, try to help an entire city.
Tonight, you'll find out what's really going on in your town
and what you can do about it.
But first, we're gonna start from the very beginning,
from when Amy and I first got here.
[Steve] I got a desperate ca from a woman named Jessica who runs a crystal shop
that's been in her family for three generations.
But now, she's scared.
Scared for her employees, her customers and herself.
It's gotten really bad. Every single one of my employees has a story.
I'm afraid that everything is gonna get worse.
[Steve] Now she told me activities have gotten so ba if we can't help,
she may have to shut the place down.
I hope Amy and I can figure out how to fix it
[car door opens]
[Amy] I see this dead woman
She is wearing a bride's dre and a long veil.
We start holding hands.
And then she jumps up on my back and she gets all [bleep] evil looking
and then I'm like, oh, damn.
I'm like, she's [bleep] with people.
So she's not all good.
So Jessica, this is a really nice shop you've got here
and great little town.
Um, what the hell's going on? You didn't sound good on the phone when we spoke.
We've just been having way too many things happening.
And now, my staff is scared.
So I can imagine you're probably worried about your customers as well.
Absolutely. There's a lot of very fragile, sharp things in this store.
So I'm definitely worried about their safety too.
All your employees having experiences or is it just you?
Every single person that I have working for me right now
has had something happen.
What part of the store is the worst
for your employees and yourself?
I'd definitely say it's the basement.
-[Steve] Okay. -[Jessica] It always feels really creepy down there.
There is a series of tunnels that, kind of, connects all of downtown...
-Really? -...that also connects to our basement.
-[Steve] Tunnels? -Mmm-hmm.
That's interesting. That's something I'm gonna look into.
All right, so let's start with basics.
How long have you owned the shop?
It's been in my family for 35 years.
I was raised in the store, raised with this business.
So, um, it's part of who I am.
You know, I have two young kids.
I want them to feel like they're safe in here as well.
Okay.
So, if you can, give me a list of what you guys are experiencing.
Footsteps and voices,
we have things flying off the shelf.
We always feel like we're being watched.
And we're seeing apparitions
Are you having experiences any place else but the shop?
I have experiences pretty much everywhere in Flagstaff.
[Steve] Okay, that's interesting.
Have you ever tried to bring somebody in
to try to get rid of what's here?
No, but I do some of my own things.
-Like what? -Every single time I walk in that door,
I kind of say out into the space, "Please leave me alone."
I also do some smudging with white sage.
Has the smudging and you talking out loud helped?
-No. -What are you hoping we can do for you?
I really wanna know what's here,
why they're here,
and essentially, how to either get rid of them
or, at least, appease them so that they aren't harassing my staff on a daily basis.
[Amy] I'm seeing this flat looking shadow guy
He's extremely tall, very wide.
He's got a hat and a suit, very flat...
...flat against a wall,
a wall shadow.
And he truly, absolutely feels he's untouchable.
He came and took everything from everyone.
He hurt and harmed so many,
I think people have been trying to get rid of him for a long time.
And ain't nothing worked.
He's, like, kind of losing his humanity at this point.
This is strange. I see him eating something.
He's eating a [scoffs] a human heart
and it was, apparently, Native American.
He can go anywhere, to any one, at any time.
Not good.
[train whistle blows]
[Steve] What's going on here
-Well, our basement is right back there. -[Steve] Okay.
[Jessica] And it's where most of us see apparitions or shadow figures.
The shadow figures, can you describe what it looks like?
It doesn't really have any shape.
-Okay. -It just looks like something black
and moving at my... In my peripheral vision.
Do you have any windows in the basement from the outside?
-No. -All right. So nobody can be casting a shadow from outside?
-No. -Okay. So, anything else?
Sometimes, merchandise just flies off the shelf.
So, I gotta ask you,
I felt when those trains went by here, it's right across the street.
-[Jessica] Mmm-hmm. -[Steve] Is it possible
the train's causing some of the stuff to fall of
No, I mean, this building is old and it...
But it doesn't shake when the trains go by.
Okay, so anything else?
I never get migraines, ever.
And, um, when I've been coming into the store these last couple of days,
it's just been these pulsing migraines
that don't go away unless I leave the building.
[Steve] Interesting, okay.
What are you hoping you can get out of this investigation?
It's a family business.
This business means the world to me, to my parents
and I really would love to be able to pass this business on to my kids.
And that I feel safe to pass it on to them,
so that we can continue this for as many generations as we can do it.
[Amy] There's a guy.
He seems to be recent.
And so I think that he used to work here.
He's very, like, ADHD. He's kind of like all over the [bleep] place.
He's making my head hurt, to
I'm getting, like, really sharp head pain
um, with him.
Uh, and I think the living, they could get headaches in this area.
And also, uh, they become very scattered up in this area
like, they couldn't... Can't focus, can't keep track of their thoughts.
People would get very, very drained around town.
He does do a lot of physical stuff in here.
He's, like, in the stuff. He's, like, messing with things.
It's almost like he's trying to, like, interact with people.
They might feel, like, pats or pressure on their backs, shoulders, arms...
...which, I guess, would freak them out.
[Steve] So, Brittany, how lo have you been working here?
On and off for the past three years.
I was talking to Jessica and it sounds
like you guys have a paranormal problem here.
-You agree with that? -I would agree with that.
I feel like it's gotten worse, over the years.
So are there experiences you could tell me about?
Yeah. I came in to open one morning
and there was journals thrown across the floor off of one of the shelves.
-[Steve] Okay. -I do have a picture of that, actually.
[Steve] Looking at that photo, it seems pretty aggressive. What do you think happened?
I feel as though there is a ghost here that is a man.
-Okay. -Um, and I think that he is the one
that throws things off the shelf.
All right. What else can you tell me?
The faucet turns on in the bathroom on its own.
Is it possible that maybe a co-worker just left it on by accident,
-'cause I do it all the time. -[Brittany] I don't think so.
I've never had any of the girls leave the faucet on.
Does it freak you out?
It scares me, yeah.
Okay.
[Amy whispering] Okay.
The flat dude,
I see him bothering people around the bathroom.
I'm, like, seeing, uh, women
use, uh, the restroom.
Very creepy.
I don't know how they're experiencing this.
Uh, like, I don't know if they're seeing the shadow figure,
or if they're feeling anything
on them?
Like, I'm hearing the women, like,
"Get out of here! Get out of here! Leave me alone.
Get out of here! Leave me alone."
She's very angry. I see her hitting her legs
and then she's saying, "Get out of here!
Get out of here! Leave me alone. Leave me alone."
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] So, Jordan, I was talking to Jessica, who owns the place,
and she was saying the staff were pretty scared
about the stuff that's going on here.
Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely been kind of an eerie place to work.
We've all had experiences.
So she mentioned this basement in particular.
Yeah. The basement is kind of where the most of us don't wanna be.
Okay, so can you tell me about some of the experiences you've had?
So, the other day I was vacuuming.
And I went to go forward and, all of a sudden, I was stuck in place
like someone was holding it from behind me.
Can you show me how tough it was for you to...
All right, so, give me your arm.
Oh! Okay, so it was pretty strong.
It was significantly, like, not moving.
Sometimes the brush on the vacuum can get stuck on the fibers
in the rug, was that what happened with the...
Well, we do have carpet, but I was doing the wood at this time.
-[Steve] Okay, so-- -So it wasn't getting stuck.
Okay. So anything else?
[Jordan] When I was down here,
um, I saw, like, a reflection of, like, a shadow behind me.
It felt very, like, engulfing, like, just all around me.
All right. You must have crapped yourself, I mean--
I was terrified when that happened.
What do you think whatever's here wants?
It wants its space back.
It wants, maybe even, like, revenge.
-It just-- -[Steve] Hmm.
-We're not welcome here by that particular spirit. -[Steve] Okay.
[Amy] I don't wanna go down there.
Okay. I don't honestly know why I'm hesitant.
I just felt a press.
I don't like it, though, I don't like it.
The flat looking shadow guy hates when people come down here.
He's malignant. He tries to.
...cause problems.
Anybody he doesn't like,
he tries to take them down.
He can push people.
And he's like, pushing people the [bleep] out of here.
When he's in this area, he likes to hang out down here.
And he, like, plots and plans.
He's writing out names of people he hates,
people he wants to do harm t that's what he does,
he does that wide circle, a little wide circle.
And I think this might be one of the [bleep] places.
So Adalyn, Jessica was saying there's a lot of paranormal activity in the shop.
-Now, do you agree with that? -Yes.
-For sure. -Okay.
-So you've had experiences, obviously, right? -Mmm-hmm.
I just feel watched all the time.
How does it feel to you, what kind of feeling is it?
It's just like someone is boring their eyes into the back of your head.
Feels like someone wants me to know that they're there.
-Okay. Is it intimidating for you? -[Adalyn] Yes.
It's very scary and makes me not want to be down here.
All right, so is there anything else?
Awful feeling of sickness that I get when I'm down here.
All right. Describe the feeling for me.
Where my heart drops to my stomach,
it's dread, it makes me feel like I'm gonna throw up.
So there's a lot of activity in this place.
Uh, do you think it's possible somebody can get hurt from it?
I would just worry that if the spirit did get angry,
that it could follow me home, hurt someone I love,
or just get mad enough to the point where things get ugly.
Okay.
The flat looking shadow guy did feel like,
uh, that people had seen him.
You know, 'cause when he's in the shadow form, he's this big guy.
He don't wanna be bothered.
And he does get all [bleep] psycho.
I think he goes to other [bleep] places that he thinks he [bleep] owns.
He does follow people home.
And he makes people sick.
And he will go home with them. He will make them sicker and sicker and sicker.
I don't feel good. [gasps]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] So, Jessica's busine is in an older building.
Figured there had to be some history to it.
Turns out, one of the original owners was a controversial guy.
I'm heading over to meet a local professor who tells me he lived fast,
died young,
and made a lot of money and enemies along the way.
[Steve] Well, Professor, thanks for helping me out with this case.
I appreciate it.
Let's start at the top. What do we know about this guy?
So his name is James Vail.
And he came here from Ohio in the early 1880s.
He was just in his twenties and he ends up becoming a bartender
at the saloon that's located right on the same premises as your client's business.
So it was a saloon at one point and he worked there.
Exactly.
So now, you mentioned on the phone, Professor,
this kid made a lot of money, um, how'd he do that bartending?
Well, James Vail took a gamble and he bought the saloon.
And that went really well for a while
until a big tragedy broke out across the town.
Okay, so the tragedy. What happened?
So, in 1888, there was a huge fire across Flagstaff,
and so many of the buildings were made out of wood.
And a lot of them burned down.
And James Vail's salon was one of them.
-Okay. -But he didn't give up.
And so he rebuilt the salon out of brick.
You can see it right here.
[Steve] The building looks a little different now.
[Karen] Right, so some of the bricks
were stuccoed over in the 1930s.
-But it's original bricks still? -Exactly.
Wow. Okay.
[Amy] I saw some fire.
I think it's residual, this place.
It was much, much smaller. Some kind of like store, way back in the day.
So, in this area I'm feeling, like, a lot of this panic.
I'm feeling... I'm hearing people yelling.
And then I'm seeing, like, the walls closing in.
All right, so this James Vail kid, rebuilds his business after this tragic fire.
How does it go after that?
He does a lot better after he adds a brothel to the saloon as well.
-Okay. -I'm sure that didn't go over well
with some of the conservative folks in town.
But he does really well.
He makes a lot of money,
and is able to buy a lot of real estate around town,
including a cattle ranch.
So now he's got a ranch, and the bar, and the whorehouse. Okay.
So, now Professor, you told me on the phone, this kid died young.
I mean, what happened?
Things start to go really bad in 1905.
He's out on his ranch, during the summer. He's in a wagon.
And he gets thrown from the wagon by his horses.
He hits the ground, breaks his leg.
And so he's able to keep the leg,
but he is permanently disabled in a lot of pain.
All right, so he's got this bad injury and he's disabled,
-but that's not what killed him, right? -That's right.
On April 3rd, 1906, he goes downtown,
-buys a .45 revolver, buys some bullets... -[Steve] Okay.
...returns back to his ranch.
And just before high noon, a shot rings out.
And they find James Vail dead, with a bullet hole in the head.
He was just 45 years old.
[Steve] Why would he kill himself?
I think the pain was just too much for him.
And I don't think he saw a way out.
Well, you know, when it comes to suicide,
nobody knows what's going through people's heads.
[Amy] This flat looking shadow guy is down here a lot.
[man speaking]
Something like Jack. I think this guy
owned a lot around here.
And I think he did really bad [bleep].
I think, this might have bee one of the places he owned.
Or land he owned originally
And I think, he thinks he still does. He wants it back.
[Steve] So far I have a clie who's worried sick
over the safety of her employees and customers,
on a property that was once owned by a shady businessman who committed suicide.
But I wanna see if there's anything else.
Searching through old record I find out Jessica was right
There really are tunnels running beneath downtown Flagstaff.
In fact, they run right underneath her shop.
I'm heading over to meet a woman who made a documentary about them.
[Nikki] These tunnels are used as infrastructure for the city.
[Steve] She tells me there were a lot of rumors and myths about these tunnel
And she wants to set the record straight.
[Steve] So, Nikki thanks for helpin me out in my investigation.
These tunnels. I mean, what's the story with them?
They run throughout the downtown area, here in Flagstaff.
-[Steve] Okay. -And they connect several businesses to one another.
All right. So, when were they built?
They were built actually in the late 1800s.
Some of the tunnels were used as dean tunnels.
They were only about 2 to 2.5 feet wide.
And the steam would then heat the businesses downtown.
Okay. So now, what were the other tunnels used for?
This is actually where it gets a little bit interesting
because some of the tunnels were used as passageways.
So you could get from one business to the other.
But there are actually a lot of rumors around town
of what actually went on down there.
Okay, now you've piqued my interest. Like what?
There was actually a rumor of some illegal card games.
And any time the police would come to raid it,
the owner would push a button, and they would escape.
Okay. So, any evidence of that?
That's really just a local myth, so there's absolutely no evidence.
All right, so these bigger tunnels, are they being used at all?
In the '90s, Flagstaff actually did
a renovation of the downtown area,
-which meant they sealed up a lot of the tunnels. -Okay.
[Nikki] But some of them are actually still used today
for utility purposes.
All right, so what are the chances I can get down
and may see these tunnels.
[Nikki] You actually can't get down there anymore.
It's actually pretty unsafe, so I wouldn't recommend going down there.
[Steve] Okay, which makes sense.
Well, I appreciate you helping me because now I can tell facts from fiction
when it comes to these tunnels.
[Amy] The flat shadow guy is not alone down here.
There's a really weird looki thing with him.
This is like they come and go through here.
They come and go through here. Okay, okay.
There's, like, walkways or something.
So there's somewhere they go there.
There's somewhere they go there.
[sighs in exasperation] There's a lot going on down here.
I'm also seeing... I am seeing bodies.
I'm seeing skeletons. Okay. And they're, like, stacked.
They're stacked on top of each other.
I'm, like, scared.
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] Word got out that we're investigating Jessica's crystal shop.
Ever since then, my phone's been blowing up.
A bunch of locals are begging to meet with me.
I've told them to meet me at a local bar,
so they could tell me what the hell's going on in this town.
[indistinct conversation]
I own Victorian Moon Antiques, uh, here in downtown Flagstaff.
So I know you wanted to talk to me
about some of the paranormal stuff that's been going on.
Yeah. I see shadow figures all the time.
So where are you seeing these shadow figures?
I see them at my shop. I see them at home.
I see them around town.
[Steve] The next thing I kne
more and more people starte telling me they're seeing things they can't explain.
I'm a bartender in one of the breweries here in town.
So what are you experiencing?
I'm seeing shadow figures around town.
You getting any kind of vibe off these shadow figures you're seeing?
Um, well, it makes me anxious. A little nervous.
Feels like there could be some bad intent behind it.
[Steve] Now, seeing shadow figures is one thing I get that a lot.
But what this local saw, really surprised me.
I was in the basement of the Downtown Diner.
And I saw a head.
-[Steve] Just a head? -[woman] Just a head.
And it was just kind of like a floating head?
Yeah. It didn't have anybody.
It had very, like, pale-ish skin, had very long dark hair, very big head.
And to me, it just had a very eerie, whole presence to its face.
So when you saw this large head,
I mean, did you freeze or what'd you do?
I looked at it and I just ran away.
I ran right out of the diner. I freaked out.
Okay.
[Amy] That strange looking thing from the basement goes all over town.
I'm trying to follow it.
It's telling me it's here to help.
But I don't know if I believe it.
[Matthew] Are people seeing this any way?
[Amy] It can change into any form
and has been mistaken for other things.
And then, people are freaking out.
A lot of panic.
[Steve] I spent the whole night at the bar,
with one local after anothe coming by to tell their bizarre stories.
[woman] I was at work once.
And the bathroom door opened and slammed just completely on its own.
So it really freaked me out.
[Steve] The more I heard, the more concerned I got.
I run a tour company in town.
Ten years ago, I was spending the night at one of the hotels downtown,
and I woke up in the middle of the night feeling like I was being choked.
I was just gasping for air,
and I don't have asthma or anything and I just could not breathe.
Did you think whatever it was, was trying to kill you?
You know, I did.
[Steve] One thing is clear to me.
Just about everyone in Flagstaff is having experiences.
And they're relieved to finally get a chance to talk about it.
I work at the local theater.
So you have experience you wanna tell me about. Uh, what do you have?
There's a dark energy at the theater, in the basement.
So, can you describe this feeling for me?
Just feels angry, like we're not wanted there.
So, with all the activity that's going on
in town, do you think somebody can get hurt?
I do.
[Amy] So that thing...
He says he comes in here and he's helping people.
Oh, he's helping people with the past, the present, what's going on now.
What kind of time frame are we talking about?
It says it's been here forever.
It's not from the Earth.
Initially, when I saw it, it was outside in the stars.
You know, I think it's pretty immense.
-So, it's not just here. -No, God no.
So does this thing operate on a global scale?
[Amy] No. Just Flagstaff.
Mm-mm, no. It's this... It's this area. For sure, yeah.
[Steve] We were called in to investigate activity at a small family-run shop.
But it sounds to me like the whole freaking tow is haunted.
So I don't like doing it, but I've gotta break the rules this time.
[Steve] Hey, thanks for meeting with me. I appreciate it.
So, [exhales sharply] you know I haven't broken protocol in years.
But we came to do this one location
and people are coming up to me one after the other after the other,
telling me how there's activity throughout the whole downtown.
Yeah, I did get two things that might be affecting
-the entire town. -Really?
-[Amy] Yeah. -So, I'm thinking, if you're okay with it,
maybe we expand our investigation and do another walk.
-Okay. -You down with that?
-Yeah. I'm absolutely open to doing that. -[Steve] All right. Cool.
Just be careful 'cause it sounds like
the whole freaking place is haunted.
And you never know what you're gonna come up against.
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] As soon as Amy and decide to expand our investigation,
I got a call from a guy who works at the Flagstaff Visitor Center.
He heard I had been talking to the locals about the paranormal activit
and said I have no idea just how bad things are.
[Steve] So, Joshua, when we spoke on the phone,
you sounded pretty adamant about talking to me.
Uh, what the hell's going on?
We're getting all kinds of stories,
uh, from all the different locations that we send our visitors out to.
And some people are afraid to work in certain places.
Some people may be afraid to come visit us.
I hope you can figure out what's here,
and what we can do to keep everybody safe.
Have you had experiences in town?
I have had, uh, many experiences here in town.
-You have? -I have.
At the Visitor Center, uh, we have a basement and an attic.
It always feels like someone's watching you.
Okay, so anything else?
We had a employee at the Visitor Center
report getting locked in the basement.
So what do you think happened with this lock?
I've myself many times have tried to debunk
how it would lock from the inside.
And that door does not lock from the inside.
I believe something was holding the door closed.
It scared me pretty good.
[Steve] It seems this entire town is haunted.
Is there any other place in town that sounds good to check out?
A lot of stories, uh, out of the Orpheum Theater.
[Steve] What are you hoping we can do for you?
When people come here and visit, we want them to be safe.
You know, we really wanna make sure that when our guests come,
that we can send them out to these places,
and there's nothing that's going to attach to them or go home with them.
[car door opens]
[Amy] I saw two things on my first walk
that I believe are affecting the entire town.
Tonight, I'm going to see if that's really the case.
The same alien thing that I got on my first walk
showed up covered in leaves
The flat looking shadow guy is out here too.
[Matthew] What exactly does he want?
He wants his places back.
[Matthew] What does that mean to the living?
That he tries to get them out.
[Matthew] So he wants to get everything back that he had loaned?
Yes.
[Steve] Well, Susan. Thanks for meeting with me. I appreciate that.
So, [exhales sharply] this is a really cool venue you have here.
How old is this building?
-So, it was built in 1911. -Wow.
-Okay. -Operated as a cinematic house.
And then, in the winter of 1915, due to a huge snowstorm,
the whole roof collapsed, destroyed the building.
And so it had to be rebuilt in 1917.
So, I'm investigating paranormal activity
throughout the whole downtown area here.
Spoke to Joshua, and he said you guys are having issues as well. Is that true?
That is correct, yes.
Are there any experiences you could tell me about?
Yeah, um, I tend to see shadowy figures from time to time.
I would see them up in the curtains, and the up into the balcony.
Okay, what do they look like?
They look human-like,
but more kind of shadowy and moving quickly.
[Steve] Okay, so anything else?
Sometimes, these lights up in the truss would come on.
-[Steve] By themselves? -[Susan] Yes.
Do you think somebody broke in?
No [sighs] because nobody would have known how to turn them on.
-Okay. -It's run through our computerized lighting tracks.
So, it seems everywhere I go, everybody's had an experience.
-I mean, it sounds like the whole town is haunted. -Mmm-hmm.
-Do you think so? -I definitely do.
I mean it has a long history and I've have heard a lot of stories as well.
So I do think the town has a haunted history and culture.
[Amy] I'm seeing that woman who's dressed like a bride again.
Okay, so apparently she spends a lot of time her
So I'm getting that she causes a lot of problems
with people on the stage.
She... She... She... She... She's very upset.
She does a lot of bad things here.
She, uh, is climbing on their backs.
I wonder, if they feel her, uh... Literally a weight,
uh, uh, on their shoulders.
All of a sudden, feeling like something really heavy slammed onto them.
She can affect, uh, electricity,
and she'll do it on purpose to [bleeping] up.
I think if people see her, they see her white, misty [bleep]
and all this kind of stuff.
She kind of wants this all to herself.
[Steve] I understand you used to work here.
I worked in the concession stand at the front of the building.
So I was talking to Susan, that runs the place,
uh, and she thinks there's a lot of activity here, do you agree with that?
I do. I've definitely known a lot of people who've had some kind of experience here.
-Okay. And you as well? -Me too. Yes.
I was about six months pregnant, when I was working here about 10 years ago.
-[Steve] Okay. -And I was moving, um, some stuff
from one end of the building to the other.
And something pushed me from behind into a table.
Please tell me you didn't get hurt.
I mean it hurt when it happened,
but nothing happened to, you know, my daughter was fine.
-Everything was good? Okay. -[Lisa] Yes.
-Hey, do me a favor and show me how hard the push was. -[Lisa] Okay.
-[Steve] Oh! Okay. -[Lisa] Sorry.
When this happened, what'd you do?
I ran outside and started crying.
It felt like something was trying to hurt me.
-So that was pretty frightening for you. -Yes.
Okay. Anything else?
Yeah, about a year and a half ago, I came here to see a show.
-Okay. -My friend and I were able to go backstage.
And as soon as we got back there, I had this feeling of,
we need to get out of here like impending doom.
As soon as we left, I felt fine.
-Obviously, you feel there's paranormal activity here? -Yes.
I think the whole town's haunted. How do you feel?
I agree with you 100%.
And in that time I've seen
people, good people, do bad things.
So, what you're saying is that the paranormal in this town is actually...
-Could influence people? -Yes, to do, like, evil things.
Okay.
[Amy] Boo.
There's some good dude up in here.
Wow, he's pissed, okay.
Ooh, Lordy.
With him and the living, that's not a great thing.
They're feeling very anxious, and very panicked.
Uh, but this is his anger,
this is how they're interpreting the anger.
I think people see him, but it's just shadows they hear.
Male shadow figure, pretty big though.
He blows himself up, so he gets really big.
Also, you can't breathe around him.
Uh, that's something with his death, uh, when he was dying,
he couldn't breathe, [gasps].
He's like [gasps].
[exhales]
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] So, Sam, thanks for meeting with me, I appreciate it.
From what I understand, your hotel has activity here.
Uh, but before we get to that, this is a beautiful spot.
You are the owner, right?
[Sam] Right, my husband and myself.
I'm assuming you know some history about the place. What can you tell me?
It was built by John Weatherford,
as a general store in 1897,
and then he turned it into a hotel in 1900.
John Weatherford also built the Orpheum Theater next door.
So, I just came from this, this guy had a real mark on this town.
Yeah.
So, let's get to the paranormal.
Have you had any experiences?
I have.
A gentleman stayed with us once, uh, and wrote me and said that the...
He got up in the morning, looked through the window
of the ballroom, and he saw a waif-like, female type character
float across the room.
Now, did you question the guy, if it could have been maybe a hotel guest
-or something like that? -I did, I wrote him back.
-[Steve] Okay -And it was too early in the morning.
It couldn't even have been the housekeeping.
Okay, any other guest experiences you could tell me about?
Yes, a former employee
uh, that stayed with us,
said she woke up in the middle of the night and had a couple sitting on her bed.
It startled her, and before she knew it,
they got up and they walked through the door.
-Through the door? -Through the door.
I mean, I'm a pretty hardcore guy,
I think that would scare the [bleep] out of me.
[Amy] There are a lot of dead here.
I'm seeing this guy playing the piano.
He was showing me a girl,
uh, that would hang out with him
when he would play the piano.
So, they may hear females talking.
Like I'm just getting flashe of them.
So, possibly people would see like that,
these flashes, like, of these women.
So, Chelsea, I understand, uh, you're the general manager here.
-I am. -From what I've heard, this place is kind of haunted.
Yeah, actually, growing up in this building,
there were two dead people I saw all the time.
Tell me about the first one.
Well, there's a girl by the name of Matilda,
that I used to play with all the time, upstairs.
Okay, was she nice to you? Did you guys get along?
She was. She was, um, a very light presence, very kind.
-So, what about the other one? -His name was Algernon.
And, he lived in the basement.
He had a bit of a dark presence to him, almost evil.
I knew there was something bad about him.
Did they move on, you think?
No, they're definitely still here.
Why do you say that?
[Chelsea] Right when we are re-opening the Gopher Hole,
we were doing a lot of construction down there.
-[Steve] Okay. -And we might have upset him.
I was shining a glass
and, uh, another one shot off the drink rack and hit a mirror right behind me,
and I knew that was him.
This glass was directed at you?
Right past my face.
So, did anything else like that ever happen?
-Actually, there is a bottle in this actual room. -Okay.
Right up there
and it fell off the top of that ledge.
Did you see it fall?
From, uh, security cameras, after the fact.
You have that available for me to look at?
[Chelsea] I actually do.
Oh! Jeez.
Ooh, you're lucky somebody wasn't standing there.
Let me ask you a question.
Anybody else you think I should talk to about, what's going on here?
Well, you could talk to Nancy, down the street at the diner.
-And she's the owner? -[Chelsea] She is.
-Okay. -Mmm-hmm.
From what I could tell during my investigations,
it seems like this whole town is haunted, do you agree with that?
I definitely do. I mean, it's the Wild West.
-[Steve] Yeah. -There's a lot of history here in Flagstaff.
[Amy] There's one male,
uh, who's here often.
I think he was, like, some kind of manager, maybe, like the...
...1930s or '40s?
I think people see him because I think he does stuff.
I feel like he tries to guide people.
Tries to influence their actions, if they work here.
So, I think, like, maybe he might influence people to, like,
you know, clean that table.
But if they don't do what he wants, he can lash out.
Uh, so, that's interesting.
So, Nancy, I got to tell you this is a great old-school diner.
You know, it reminds me of me growing up in Brooklyn,
it just, has that look to it, and the feel.
Um, how long have you owned the place?
My family's had it for over 30 years.
How important is this place to you?
It's everything to me, it's part of my family.
Chelsea at the hotel says you have paranormal activity here.
Yes. Mmm-hmm.
So, do me a favor and tell me about what you're experiencing.
Well, one of the first things that happened,
I was in the basement and there was someone sweeping.
And, I could see the full motion of it.
[Steve] Okay, so an apparition, I assume?
Absolutely, because when I turned around
-thinking I was going to talk to a coworker... -[Steve] Right.
...there was no one there.
Is there anything else?
I was rolling silverware right there.
Nobody near me.
And I felt, on my shoulder...
...two taps.
And I looked and I looked
and I literally turned a circle
because I could not... I have goosebumps.
I couldn't... There was nobody there.
-So that freaked you out, I can tell. -[Nancy] Oh, yes.
-And, it couldn't have been drops of heavy water coming... -[laughing] No.
-[Steve] Okay. -No. No.
And, that's why I tapped you.
I was tapped.
So, if something could do that, what else could it do?
[Nancy] Exactly.
It kind of made me realize
that there's a lot more here than I knew.
[Amy] That thing is here.
-That thing and that man. -[Matthew] What're you talking about?
[Allan] The alien thing and the other dude.
The flat-looking shadow guy
Okay, they're trying to pull me outside.
Okay, okay. It's all about them.
I'm seeing another dead person in here.
He's a big guy.
Uh, so, I guess his name is Bill?
I kind of feel, like, at some point he owned this place.
He'll come up and start talking to people.
Living people.
He does tend to move things about.
Ah, he's pretty good at that
So, that's not good.
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] This is the first ti we've investigated an entire town.
Obviously, I'm not going to be able to find out everything
that's ever happened here.
So, I thought I'd start by getting an overview of Flagstaff's history.
I'm meeting a local historia who told me the city has always been plagued
by tragedy and bloodshed.
[Steve] So, Dre thanks for coming out and meeting with me, I appreciate that.
And, this is Arizona, we all got to assume
Native American history is pretty big here.
Absolutely.
So, let me ask you a question, when did the white settlers get here?
'Round 1840s is when, uh, those settlers started kind of coming into the region.
Okay, so obviously the tribes get driven out. What happened?
So, from about 1861 to 1875,
uh, that 14 year period becomes what's known as the Yavapai Wars.
And, that's the US Army coming in and kicking out most of the Native tribes here.
Uh, relocating them, making room for white settlers to come in.
Okay, so it had to be pretty brutal, I assume.
Ultimately, in 1875, February 27th,
becomes what's known as Exodus Day.
And, uh, that begins the Apache Trail of Tears
where they force out around 1400 Native peoples,
marching them 200 miles across a winter desert.
Uh, beating them with whips, with chains,
they don't wanna go, they leave 'em to die on the side of the road.
So basically it's a death march.
So, how many died out of that 14 and change?
-Roughly 375 people lost their lives in that. -Wow.
That's like almost a third, right? Jeez.
Around there.
[Amy] I am seeing one, single Native American male
He has one feather.
And behind him, are all shadow figures.
He indicates that they're all women and children.
He says they're buried in the ground.
He says we need help.
[Steve] Okay, so now the Native Americans are forced out.
What happens next?
So, around 1876, settlers start coming to the area.
But the town would never really flourish
until the railway was actually established.
Uh, just cutting right through the middle of town in the early 1880s.
But that, came at a cost of its own.
Okay, so what do you mean by that?
Well, you know, many different accidents happened.
The worst happened in the summer of 1881,
when, uh, some blasting powder actually went off prematurely.
Okay, so, how bad was this blast?
According to the article, actually, I have here,
seven people died and three people were maimed.
Uh, they say that body parts were actually raining down
from the sky when that happened.
[Steve] So, when you said on the phone
that this town is plagued with bloodshed and tragedy, you weren't kidding.
Unfortunately, not.
Okay.
[Amy] I don't like this.
There's a bunch of men down there and they're...
...in a lot of pain.
Damn, man, there's gotta be at least 10 of 'em.
They're laborers. They're hurting.
1860, 1870.
I think that the, uh,
living might have experience with them.
I think if they're around in that area, they might feel a lot of the pain.
[Steve] Just about any city's gonna have its share of murders.
But it turns out that Flagstaff has a really violent past.
I'm on my way to meet a local true crime author
who says she can prove it to me.
[Steve] Now, Susan, you mentioned on the phone that you wrote a book
about some homicides in town.
Tell me about that.
That was one of the saddest chapters in Flagstaff's history.
1937.
Happened just down the street from the Orpheum.
[Steve] So, I did a lot of interviews there yesterday.
People having a lot of problems with the paranormal activity.
-Hmm. -So, who are the players in this murder?
That would have been the Walkup family.
Um, Marie Walkup, 32-year-old mother of four children.
-Okay. -And her husband, JD Walkup,
a politician and a man-about-town.
Okay, so what happened?
It was July 22, 1937,
JD was down in Phoenix.
Sometime that night, Marie Walkup went to the bedrooms
of her children, taking an icepick and stabbed each one in the heart,
and then strangled them.
-Oh. -After that, she washed their bodies
and put them back in bed and pulled the covers up to their chins.
How old were these kids?
Well, here are their death certificates.
Daniel was 10, Rose was seven. John was four and a half,
and Elizabeth was about 18 months.
All right, any idea what would cause her to do this?
Well, everybody has a different theory.
Does seem like she might have had some depression. She was isolated.
Her husband was gone quite a bit of the time and she had four children.
And sometime that night, Marie Walkup sat in her house,
and took a pen to paper and wrote four notes.
One of those notes was to her husband,
it was printed in the paper the next day, and it said,
"'Cause of my lack of discipline,
the children are better off to go this way."
Oh.
"Only grief would come to them.
You are strong in faith, never doubting.
Mercy, mercy to my people.
I have loved you and I have failed."
All right, so now we got four dead kids, babies, uh, in the home,
what happens with her?
Well, she went into the closet,
she got her husband's old Army rifle,
laid the gun up
with the muzzle against her chest,
and used her big toe to pull the trigger and shot herself.
There's a article about it.
[Steve] All right, so she wasn't of sound mind, this woman, obviously.
To this day, this is one of the most disturbing murders in Flagstaff's history.
[Amy] That woman who's dressed like a bride is wandering around in here
She said she died a long time ago.
I hear 20s, but I don't know if that's her age
or the year around she died?
I kind of wanna say suicide,
I kind of got the feeling,
that she was kind of being forced to live, uh, not how she wanted to.
Like she wanted to be, like, free, you know, footloose and fancy-free
and that wasn't gonna happen.
[Matthew] She doesn't like people in the space, any reason?
She feels like it's hers and she should be here
and they shouldn't.
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] Everyone out here is seeing and hearing strange stuff.
Now to me, everything isn't paranormal
Flagstaff is a mountain town it's 7,000 feet above sea level.
Trust me, I feel it every morning I'm here.
Now, from what I've been reading,
mountain climbers sometimes get hallucinations from thin air.
So, I'm wondering if that's what's happening here.
I'm heading over to a docto who specializes in altitude sickness,
and he's gonna put my theor to the test.
[Steve] Well, Dr. Backhaus, I appreciate you helping me out
and meeting with me.
So my investigation in town,
I'm coming across a ton of people
that are hearing things and seeing things.
Now, this altitude is kicking my ass.
Is it possible this altitude could cause people to see things?
Or hear things that aren't there?
Yes, there are reports of mountain climbers
who talk to people that aren't even there.
Besides the hallucinations, are there any other side effects?
-Dizziness. It happens. -Okay.
And then, it could be confusion.
Okay, I've been here a few days and I'm having a couple of those myself.
-Yes. -So, Doctor, I've brought some witnesses
that I've spoken to, who have been seeing things and hearing things.
So, I understand you can run a test,
to see if they're getting hallucinations from the altitude.
Yes.
The three test subjects will be breathing in and ou of this altitude simulator.
We'll start them at 12,000 feet.
And if they're handling it well,
we'll move them up to 17,000 feet.
Yeah, this is your blood oxygen and this is your heart rate.
The first thing we'll test is motor skills.
Oh.
Then, we'll test their cognitive abilities.
Using flash cards, we'll see if they're able to select the word green.
Next, we'll see if they migh be having hallucinations.
I'll present them with a mix of real people and mannequins.
I'll ask them how many human they see.
[ticking]
All of them got it wrong.
Okay, so how'd these tests go?
Surprisingly, with motor skills, all three did well.
Okay, so what about the second test?
For the cognitive skills, two passed and one failed.
So, what about that last perception test you did?
Well, the perception, I was surprised.
All three failed.
They couldn't tell the difference
between the humans and the mannequins.
All right, so is it possible from that last test you did
that they're not having paranormal experiences and it is the altitude?
No, the altitude here is 7,000 feet.
-Okay. -And two of the guys, they had to go to 22,000 feet
for the changes to take place.
-Wow. That's high. -Yes.
So, the tourists, they think they're having paranormal experiences,
but it might just be the altitude.
Yes.
But, people that lived here and are acclimated,
-there's no way they're hallucinating. -No.
Okay.
[Amy] This alien thing, goes all over town.
It's a bit unusual to have
an alien
thing, running around.
Either in people's dreams,
or in their day-to-day activities, telling them,
or showing them,
like, this or that's going to happen.
This alien thing can change forms
and people can see it in a bunch of different ways
[Matthew] Do you have any idea why it shows itself
in different forms to different people?
For those who can see this thing,
it would come through as something
that's positive to that person.
[Amy] I saw a lot of strange things on my two walks,
but three really stood out.
First, the flat looking shadow guy.
This man was super wrinkled.
Super, super thin.
Little, kind of baby nose.
Uh, baby lips.
Um, so the hair is a lot thinner.
It's very wispy.
Next, I described the woman who was dressed like a bride,
tormenting someone on stage at the theater.
On the stage is, like,
one of the workers.
He was wearing a black shirt with short sleeves.
There's a female
who is in a wedding dress.
She's on his back.
Her legs are over both of his shoulders.
Describe her expression.
Her mouth, like, grew really big
and she had, like, all these jagged sharp teeth, like, she was, like...
Finally, I described the angry man in the theater
turning himself into a huge shadow.
There was a male.
I saw his hands, like, up in front of him. Like whoa.
And he sees this huge shadow figure.
Definitely a male, you could tell.
Ridiculously broad shoulders
because this guy is, like, really trying to intimidate
uh, this living guy.
Amy, is this what you saw?
Yes, that's what I saw.
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] Now that Amy and I have completed our own investigations,
we're ready to reveal our findings to each other
and our clients for the first time.
So, Amy, I want you to meet Joshua.
He, uh, works at the Visitor Center in town
and knows just about everybody here.
Um, this is Nancy.
She owns and runs a local diner
and it's been in her family for over 30 years, right?
Right, 30 years.
And this, are the residents of Flagstaff.
Got too many to introduce you to,
but you'll be hearing from some of them during the night.
Some people think that whatever's here is harmless.
But others think it's pretty dangerous for everybody.
One thing everybody agrees on,
place is haunted.
They're looking forward to hearing what's here
and what they can do about it, so they can remain safe.
So, unless Amy's got some questions for you, she'll tell us about her walk.
[Amy] Before I talk about the entire town,
I want to go over the biggest things I got
at the different locations I went in to.
The first building, from the first night,
I walked in and I actually encountered a male.
He's extremely ADHD.
Uh, so this guy was, like, talking nonstop,
moving around nonstop, fussing with everything.
When he's doing that, often, he does moves objects.
Because of his energy, I got a really sharp uh, headache.
And I'm curious, if anybody up in that area has
had that kind of
experience as well, with having sudden headaches.
And he also tries to interact with people often
because he's a very touchy, feely guy.
I was curious if people had experienced
feeling like they're being touched on the back,
on the arm, patted, things like that.
Okay, well, that first location you went to was, uh,
the crystal shop in town.
Uh, I know everything was covered up,
um, while, when you were there,
but I want to show you what it looks like, when it's not covered up.
[Amy] Interesting.
So, I want you to meet the owner,
uh, it's Jessica, she's right there.
Could you raise your hand Jessica?
Hi.
I want to talk about some stuff, we, uh, spoke about in our interview.
So, whenever I call on someone,
just head to that table in the back with the microphone.
Amy talked about the migraine,
can you tell Amy about your migraine?
I never get migraines ever,
um, and right before you guys got here,
um, for about two days,
I was getting these really sharp migraines,
that would basically hit me, as soon as I walked in the door.
And then they started fading away when I left for the day.
She mentioned things getting...
...moved around. [chuckles]
We have stuff flying off the shelf on a weekly basis.
Um, we've also had experiences where,
um, it just looks like somebody just swept
everything off of a shelf.
Jordan, can you do me a favor?
I'd like you to go up there. I wanna talk about something.
Jordan works at the crystal shop too.
Can you describe to Amy what happened when you were vacuuming
and got tugged.
[Jordan] So, I was vacuuming one night
and I went to pull it back
and it was like, there was resistance on the hose.
As if someone was holding it, so I couldn't vacuum.
And there was nothing that it caught on? Nothing like that?
Yeah, it was over wood floor, so it's not like it was getting stuck on carpet.
There were no kinks in the tubing.
Think that's that guy?
Yeah.
[Steve] Okay, so, what else happened?
[Amy] The next walk...
Night, I started right here.
In the theater.
It was, like, completely engulfed by rage
And it was coming from this dead guy.
He's extremely intense.
He doesn't want to be disrespected,
or challenged in any way, shape or form.
I didn't particularly care for him,
and I felt like it was a possibility that people would,
uh, potentially feel a sudden onset of panic back there.
Is Lisa out here?
So, this is, Lisa.
Um, she used to work here.
Do me a favor,
just tell her about what you were feeling in the back, that time.
My friend and I were here.
We were hanging out with the band backstage, after the show.
And we were kind of right between
where the couches are and where the stage is.
-[Amy] Yeah. -And I was like, we need to go, now.
We need to leave now.
-You described it, as what? Impending doom? -[Lisa] Yeah.
And then, as soon as we did leave,
um, I didn't have that feeling anymore.
Does he do anything else?
[Amy] Yes.
Then, I was suddenly inside the body of a male.
A living person.
And, whoever this guy is,
the dead dude does not like him.
And he comes in and engulfs the entire room
as, like, this huge, black, mass of a man,
uh, trying to intimidate this living male.
I did have a sketch done
of being inside that living male's body
and seeing what he saw.
[Steve] Hmm.
It's interesting.
So, this is what he portrays himself as?
[Amy] Mmm.
Yeah, take a look at that, guys.
I have...
Kind of got chills all over my body right now.
[Steve] Joshua, I mean, you noticed some stuff going on here.
Does this surprise you?
Honestly, no.
It feels familiar.
[Steve] Hey, Susan. You here?
There she is.
Hi, I'm Susan, with the Orpheum.
[Amy] Hi.
So, Sue, when she...
...talked about the shadows,
you mentioned that to me.
Do you mind describing it to Amy, for her?
When I first started working here,
every so often, when I would walk from the back,
I felt like up in the curtains I would see more of a shadowy mass,
not defined and there was no interaction.
You didn't get a good feeling off of it, though.
No.
That sound like him?
Yes.
[Steve] Okay, so what's next
[Amy] Then, I'm walking up the street.
And there's, like, a railing. so I just stopped and looked down.
And there was, like, all these men
who were being mistreated.
And here's what that part of the walk looked like.
[Amy] I don't like this.
There's a bunch of men down there.
And they're...
...in a lot of pain.
Damn, man. There's got to be at least 10 of them.
They're laborers.
They're hurting.
1860, 1870.
[Steve] So, 10 dead laborers who were mistreated around the 1870s.
Think I have a pretty good idea who you saw.
Now in 1876, Flagstaff began building a railway system.
And there were quite a few accidents,
but the worst one happened in 1881.
That's when some black powder
exploded while 10 men were building a tunnel.
Uh, seven of the men were killed.
And, uh, three were maimed.
Oh [bleep].
[Steve] It was so bad, the expert I spoke to,
said that body parts were actually raining from the sky.
Now, do you think those railway workers
are who you might have seen?
Yeah.
[Steve] What happened next?
So, I went into this hotel.
Lots of dead people.
The first thing that I really noticed
was hearing piano music.
And it was coming from upstairs.
So, I went up the stairs and then, there was this dead guy there.
Then, I saw some women.
And they were all, like, chit-chatting.
Then, I went downstairs,
into... I don't know, a restaurant or something.
There was a guy there,
who used to be a business manager,
I think he kept calling himself.
And this would have been, maybe, in the '30s or '40s.
He was super solid as well.
The living may see him.
And he does get annoyed
when people are not doing the proper things.
[Steve] So, Amy, the place is called The Weatherford Hotel.
You mentioned that the dead guy might get annoyed with the living
Now, I want you to meet Chelsea. She runs the place.
Chelsea, tell Amy about the bottle flying.
In the same area, down in The Gopher Hole,
I was shining a glass.
All of a sudden, another flute shot right in front of my face,
hit the mirror in the back bar and shattered.
Another time, there is a shelf right above the bar.
It's, um, very flush, there's no reason
why anything would fall off of it.
And the bottle was actually tucked back towards the wall area.
And, um, it had fallen over and it almost hit the serve
which was there probably a minute before.
[Amy] Oops.
-See it? -Ah-ha.
The business manager, do you think that's the one that threw the bottle?
Yeah, that's the most active [bleep] place I walked tonight.
-Wow. -[Amy] The hotel.
[Steve] Okay, so what's next
[Amy] So then, I left
and I went to the diner.
And there was only one dead guy that I met.
Very, very present.
Uh, very solid.
I got that his name was something like Bill.
And I think he may have owned the business at some point.
He does tend to move things around.
So, going through the deeds for your place,
I found that your diner was De Noel's Bakery from 1927 to 1970.
The guy who ran it from the '50s and to the close
-was Bob Noel. -Ah.
[Steve] Now you said he moves things around.
Nancy, I want you to tell Amy about the sweeper.
[Nancy] I was in the basement of the diner.
And I felt someone behind me sweeping the floor.
-Hmm. -[Nancy] And I could see the motion of it.
And I turned around to talk to them,
and there was nobody there.
Have you seen any other movements or...
[Nancy] I've seen things, we've had things move...
Is it possible the previous former guy that owned the place, Bob Noel?
[Amy] Yeah.
It's his place.
You're cool with him staying, right?
-I mean... -[audience murmuring]
'Cause he really wants to stay.
[indistinct whispering]
Now, I'm going to talk about...
...things that kind of affect the entire town.
There are three things.
I'll start off with the dead woman.
I called her the bride,
uh, because she's wearing a wedding dress.
And she was on both of my walks.
And she does travel around.
But, her favorite place, is here.
The problem with her
is that she can jump people.
That is not good
because the person can lose control
for seconds to minutes over their body.
And when she gets annoyed,
she'll screw things up, uh, with electricity.
She's really good at that.
So, we'll start with the electricity.
Susan, can you explain to Amy what's going on?
I would come in once every week
and two very high up lights
in our lighting tracks would be on.
And, they're not lights that you can turn on with a switch.
And I would bring in my production guys,
have them look at it and no explanation.
[Steve] Now, Amy, you mentioned she can jump people.
Lisa, remember when we discussed
about people not acting the way they should?
-Yes. -Tell that to Amy.
I have seen and experienced people doing things that [inhales]
I would not think is in their character.
And very... bad things.
Can I have one example?
Sure, I mean, I can give two.
And both have to do with people that I work with stabbing other people.
[bleep]
So, is that something that could be tied into her jumping people?
Yes, yes.
[Steve] So this bride, does she do anything else?
She really likes it up here
and, uh, this is what I got.
So I'm getting that she caus a lot of problems
with people on the stage.
She... She... She... She... She's very upset.
She doesn't wanna go anywher
Uh, she likes it here.
She does a lot of bad things here.
She, uh, is climbing on their backs.
I wonder if they feel, uh,
literally a weight,
uh, on their shoulders all of a sudden.
Feeling like something really heavy slammed on to them.
And I had a sketch done of what I saw.
That's [bleep] up.
[Nancy] Horrible.
[Joshua] The legs over the shoulders,
that it's fully over, as you said.
That's [bleep] up.
So Amy I brought Lisa back up.
[clears throat]
I want her to talk about what I consider a violent incident.
So this was about 10 years ago
and I worked here.
And I was about six months pregnant.
Something pushed me from behind
and I kind of, like. slammed into one of the high top tables.
-Okay. -She did demonstrate on me.
I'm the lightweight, obviously, we know.
-Yeah. -[Steve] And...
...she gave me a jolt.
What are you thinking?
Ah, it could be a woman.
[Steve] So, you said there were three things, right?
-[Amy] Yeah. -[Steve] So what's the second?
[Amy] This is...
...where it gets a little different.
So, I initially was calling it a thing.
This was never human
and it was not from this Earth.
It's all over town.
It's been here for an extremely long time.
On the first night when I was in the basement of the shop,
I saw it coming and going
down there through the walls.
So, it kind of travels around town underground, I guess.
It can show itself to people in different ways.
I just wanna get Ari up there.
Hi, I'm Ari.
I'm a Flagstaff local.
-Didn't you tell me about a face? -[Ari] Yeah.
I was in the basement of the downtown diner
and in the corner of it
I saw a very grey, long, disheveled face.
It had no body.
It gave me a very big sense of dread.
[Amy] Here's the thing.
According to this thing,
it's not trying to scare people,
it's trying to comfort them.
So, it can give them information about the future,
but I'm skeptical about it myself.
We've worked together more than 10 years now
and that's one of the stranger things you've ever run into.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
All right, so how would this affect regular people in the town.
[Amy] People would have
really clear, you know, visions or hearing something
talking about a future event or something of that nature.
It's weird to me that you would say that there...
This thing is giving us, like, glimpses of the future
because I've definitely had experiences
where I've had a dream
and it wasn't something that happened to me in the past
but all of a sudden it became something that came to fruition.
Oh.
My concern was if it was, like, harming people in a way.
Uh, but it...
From what you're saying, it wouldn't seem that way.
Anybody else dreaming?
[sighs]
My name is Kimberly and I'm a Flagstaff local.
I actually had a dream last month that ended up coming true.
Um, I had misplaced my grandmother's ring
which she passed a couple of years ago.
So, it means a lot to me
and uh, I had a dream
that basically was like...
Your ring is here in this room
and it just, like, showed me
the exact area and, uh,
I went to that spot and sure enough it was there.
-That's positive. -[Steve] Glad you found it.
Yeah.
[Amy] Well, now I'm re-evaluating.
All right, maybe he's not a bad guy.
You guys know this town is 7,000 feet up and it's killing me.
I mean I'm having a tough time here.
So I was actually reading about mountain climbers
sometimes seeing apparitions
because they get disoriented from the low oxygen.
So I got three towns people
seeing weird stuff to take an altitude test.
We showed them a mix of humans and mannequins
and asked them to identify the real people
All of them got it wrong.
We were simulating a much higher altitude.
So, what the test proved
is it's possible tourists are actually seeing things.
But this doesn't explain what the locals are experiencing
because they're adjusted to the altitude.
That's interesting though. I like that study, that's cool.
So, um, Amy, you mentioned this thing goes
through walkways, down in the basement.
So, you should know there's a series of tunnels that run underneath the city.
There have been a lot of weird rumors
about what happened in these tunnels.
But I spoke to a woman who directed a documentary on the tunnels.
Now, she set the record straight.
They were built in the 1880s.
The smaller ones were used to steam heat for the businesses downtown.
Now the larger ones we used as passage ways between the buildings.
These tunnels are a big part of Flagstaff lore.
I wanted to go check 'em out myself
but most of them are now boarded up.
Huh, interesting.
[Steve] Now you said there were three things that concern you in the town
We got the bride, we got the thing. What else?
I'm definitely worried about this guy.
He was super present
on the first walk in the basement of the shop.
I got that he was one of the original owners of this land or town.
The thing is, is that he still believes that this is his town.
I put him maybe in the mid-1800s.
I heard a name, uh, like Jack.
Uh, and I got that he...
...I think died from some kind of disease.
Okay, so what you're saying is making me think
about one of the original owners of Jessica's property.
His name wasn't Jack, but it's close.
His name was James Vail.
Mmm, oh, interesting.
Now Karen, a local professor, uh, told me about this story.
He started off in Flagstaff as a bartender at a saloon,
uh, where Jessica's store sits now.
Vail was a pretty smart businessman
and wind up owning the bar few years later.
In the 1880s, he bought the building and added a brothel.
This is a photo
of what that looked like back then.
So Vail was making so much money,
he started buying property all over the town
that he used for cattle ranching.
We're talking about 1300 acres.
But in 1905, Vail suffered a life changing accident in one of his ranches.
Uh, he was run over by a wagon and nearly lost his life.
Ooh.
Vail never recovered
and he was crippled and in terrible pain.
Mmm.
Apparently it was too much for him.
And on April 3rd, 1906,
Vail put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger.
-Oh, damn. -[Steve] Yeah.
[Amy] How old was he when he died?
[Steve] Vail was 45 years old when he killed himself.
-Really? -[Steve] Yeah.
Could James Vail be this dead guy you saw?
Yeah, I mean I see a lot of the boxes being, like checked.
She said you were worried about this guy, but why?
[Amy] Well he goes all over...
When he was alive, uh, one of the things that I saw him doing
was actually eating a human heart.
[crowd gasping]
[Amy] When I went into the basement,
I saw him again and...
He likes to be alone down there
and he'll get really pissed
when people invade his space.
He can, uh, push people.
The living would see him as a flat looking shadow type figure.
When he's in this area, he likes to hang out down here.
And he like, plots and plans.
He's writing out names of people he hates,
people he wants to do harm t
That's what he does.
He does that wide circling, wide circling.
And I think this might be one of the [bleep] places.
Now let's talk about the basement.
Uh, everyone at Jessica's store hates, hates the basement.
Hates it down there.
So Jessica, do me a favor and, uh, describe the black shadow,
um, you saw in the basement?
So, I was walking,
you know, from one end of the basement to the other,
and out of the corner of my eye,
I saw, like, a big shadow
that was kind of, like, going by me.
This is Jordan, you remember from before, she works at the shop.
Hi.
When I was downstairs in the basement,
there was a big black shado right behind me.
It didn't feel humanoid to me,
but it was very threatening feeling.
Mmm, okay.
He does take people's energy and makes them sick.
Some people that he hones in on,
uh, he can follow them home and make them sicker.
Where's Adalyn?
I'm Adalyn and I work at the crystal shop as well.
Hi.
Adalyn, didn't you tell me you got sick down there?
[Adalyn] Yes.
Every now and again whenever I go downstairs which is pretty frequent,
sometimes I get a feeling of just, like, dread in my stomach
or, um, just, like, something doesn't want me there.
Didn't you tell me your biggest fear
was that something would... Might follow you home?
[Adalyn] Yeah.
I would just get nervous that it would get, like, attached
or something like that.
Should she be worried?
This guy, yeah, he can go places.
He tends to, like, fixate on people
who are prone to illnesses.
So, I also had a sketch done of what I saw.
Creepy looking son of a bitch. Take a look at that.
-[Nancy] Very scary. -Yeah.
And he's the one you said goes all around town?
Yeah, he likes to make people sick.
He definitely looks like some old mogul guy.
This reminds me of like... I don't know, Scrooge.
What does this guy want from everybody in town?
Everything he owned he wants it back.
I was actually seeing these people.
That he's writing down their names and going there, going there.
Gonna take them down. Gonna [bleep] him up.
This makes me feel horrible.
I wanna know my name's not on that paper
and I wanna know how can I be safe from being on that paper.
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] So, I know everyone here is passionate about this city
and I can understand why.
Flagstaff is beautiful.
But after what we've heard tonight, there's clearly a problem.
So what's it gonna take to make this place safe?
For that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
[Amy] For the crystal shop,
the first person I would really like to see moved on
is the ADHD guy.
The best bet would be having a younger male medium.
Maybe in his early 20s.
Just so he can have a bond with that male.
I think that would go really smoothly.
Then we have this location with the angry male.
I believe that a motherly female type
who is a medium would be able to move him on.
As far as the laborers, honestly, they need some more time
to kind of work out their [bleep].
I know it sucks 'cause they are in a lot of pain
but they're not completely aware that they're deceased.
So leave the 10 guys alone.
-Yes. -They're working through things.
All right, so any advice for the hotel?
[Amy] Upstairs, what would be really great
is maybe having a couple of mediums
come through and sit down with these various dead who want to talk.
Because there's a lot of dead there
who would love to tell their stories.
A lot of them, once they do that
will automatically be able to move on.
[Steve] All right, now what about the guy at Nancy's diner.
-He's good to go? -Oh, he's awesome, I mean...
I like him.
He's a good guy.
So you don't have to do anything.
He doesn't wanna leave, so and you're cool.
So, that's good.
[Steve] Okay, now how about the things
that are affecting the whole town?
As far as the thing goes, is that okay?
Personally, I'm still one the fence about the whole thing.
But, it seems to be positive.
So, let's just monitor the situation,
but we'll leave him alone for now.
[Steve] Okay. What about the bride?
With the bride who's potentially a big [bleep] problem.
I would like to get kind of brutal with her
and bring in a female demonologist
who's going to, uh, exorcise her.
So any particular location for that though?
-Here since this is her favorite spot. -[Steve] Okay
[Steve] Now the shadow guy seems to be the biggest issue.
What are we gonna do about him?
I want to have a male demonologist
and a shaman coming at him at the same time in the basement
of the crystal place.
By going at him with both of these, uh, people
he will be contained and removed.
It sounds like if the bride and the two guys are gone,
things should be a little better here?
Yeah, that'll be good.
So, Chelsea, you heard what Amy said.
Uh, you gonna follow her advice at all?
-Of course, yeah. -[Steve] Okay.
Jessica, you're the reason we're in town.
I mean you called for help originally.
Uh, it seems like you got the most problems in that basement.
Yeah.
Are you gonna follow up with some of Amy's suggestions?
Well, absolutely.
Were you shocked at all or surprised by what you heard?
Absolutely, yeah.
Yeah, kind of floored actually.
So, Susan, you got a couple of bad guys here.
Yeah it's definitely a surprise, honestly,
and definitely worrisome on a energetic level.
Well, better to get her out of here before she closes her palm
on a group you got here or...
Yeah, it's not what we wanna be known for.
-That's for sure. -[Steve] Yeah.
Well, some of you thought whatever she is no big deal
and some of you thought it was a problem, it could be dangerous.
Obviously, it's a little bit of both,
but more dangerous than we thought.
But now we've got a gameplan
and hopefully you guys will go through with it.
So, we appreciate you, uh, allowing us to come into town and doing this investigation.
I hope everybody's happy with it.
Yes.
Yeah.
Thank you so much for having us
and, uh, hopefully things will work out.
[Amy] This was a very unique case.
Steve and I have never investigated an entire town before.
But I was glad we were able
to give the people of Flagstaff some good news.
If they follow my advice, this town will be a lot safer
for the people who live, work and visit here.