1 00:00:09,777 --> 00:00:13,679 [Amy Allan] She was murdered and he keeps burying her. 2 00:00:13,681 --> 00:00:17,282 Sometimes, he literally shakes the entire house. 3 00:00:17,885 --> 00:00:20,686 -Something jerked me. -Show me. Oh! 4 00:00:20,688 --> 00:00:24,023 I woke up and my body was completely paralyzed. 5 00:00:24,025 --> 00:00:28,394 This shadow figure holding this person down by their shoulders. 6 00:00:30,798 --> 00:00:32,765 -What's going on? -Uh... 7 00:00:32,767 --> 00:00:34,166 You can tell me. 8 00:00:34,168 --> 00:00:37,970 [Amy] Everything that's going on here is about keeping your mouth shut. 9 00:00:37,972 --> 00:00:40,939 He definitely is getting off on torturing him. 10 00:00:40,941 --> 00:00:43,042 [speaking softly] I'm sorry. 11 00:00:43,044 --> 00:00:46,278 [Amy] All I hear from him is, "Stay dead. Stay dead." 12 00:00:47,848 --> 00:00:49,882 He wants a person dead. 13 00:00:49,884 --> 00:00:53,218 My name is Amy Allan. I see dead people. 14 00:00:53,220 --> 00:00:55,821 I saw a winged creature. 15 00:00:55,823 --> 00:00:59,391 I speak to dead people and they speak to me. 16 00:00:59,794 --> 00:01:02,494 This person feels like a monster. 17 00:01:02,496 --> 00:01:05,697 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 18 00:01:05,699 --> 00:01:09,068 They are sucking the life out of these people. 19 00:01:09,603 --> 00:01:11,002 I rely on my partner. 20 00:01:11,004 --> 00:01:13,906 I'm Steve DiSchiavi, a retired New York City homicide detective. 21 00:01:13,908 --> 00:01:15,874 So how many bodies are we talking? 22 00:01:15,876 --> 00:01:19,978 And I know every person, every house, has secrets. 23 00:01:19,980 --> 00:01:21,914 It's my job to reveal them. 24 00:01:21,916 --> 00:01:23,415 But Steve and I never speak. 25 00:01:23,417 --> 00:01:25,417 We never communicate during an investigation. 26 00:01:25,419 --> 00:01:26,819 Until the very end. 27 00:01:26,821 --> 00:01:28,887 Ooh, you're not gonna like this. 28 00:01:28,889 --> 00:01:30,989 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 29 00:01:30,991 --> 00:01:33,125 I'm sorry, I need to take a break. 30 00:01:34,195 --> 00:01:35,627 ...or time to get out. 31 00:01:35,629 --> 00:01:38,397 -It wants inside the house, because it wants to kill you. -[gasps] 32 00:01:51,479 --> 00:01:52,644 [Steve] I'm up here in Euclid, Ohio. 33 00:01:52,646 --> 00:01:55,347 It's a suburb just outside of Cleveland. 34 00:01:55,349 --> 00:01:58,750 I got a desperate call from a single mother of three who says 35 00:01:58,752 --> 00:02:02,154 she and her kids are getting terrorized by the paranormal. 36 00:02:02,857 --> 00:02:04,790 I feel hopeless as a mother. 37 00:02:04,792 --> 00:02:08,227 And this has been going on for four years consistently. 38 00:02:08,229 --> 00:02:13,365 And sometimes it's daily. It's real and I need help. 39 00:02:13,367 --> 00:02:17,536 But here's the weird thing, it wasn't her idea to reach out to us. 40 00:02:17,538 --> 00:02:20,806 She was talked into it by two of her son's grade school teachers. 41 00:02:20,808 --> 00:02:23,609 Now, that is definitely a first. 42 00:02:23,611 --> 00:02:25,310 And I'm hoping Amy and I can help her out. 43 00:02:34,722 --> 00:02:36,321 [Amy] I'm seeing this dead girl. 44 00:02:37,958 --> 00:02:41,293 She's in a decomposed, skeletal shape. 45 00:02:42,763 --> 00:02:43,428 She was murdered. 46 00:02:43,831 --> 00:02:45,430 She wants help. 47 00:02:45,432 --> 00:02:50,002 The male who killed her, he's nearly an animal. 48 00:02:52,006 --> 00:02:54,606 Anytime he comes in, she runs away. 49 00:02:54,608 --> 00:02:58,143 So there's battles between these two dead people here. 50 00:03:02,716 --> 00:03:06,718 [Steve] So, Brooke, this is a beautiful place to raise children. 51 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,655 And when we spoke on the phone, you sounded pretty frank. 52 00:03:09,657 --> 00:03:10,589 What the hell's going on? 53 00:03:10,591 --> 00:03:14,793 I need help, um, I'm tired. 54 00:03:14,795 --> 00:03:17,029 [Steve] Yeah, huh? I'll bet you are. 55 00:03:17,665 --> 00:03:19,331 Oh, thank you. 56 00:03:20,701 --> 00:03:22,568 -Sounds like you're having a tough time. -[Brooke] Yeah. 57 00:03:22,570 --> 00:03:28,340 Try to stay positive, good vibes, um, I'm always smiling, but it hurts. 58 00:03:29,677 --> 00:03:32,177 Okay, so, Brooke, let's start with some of the basics. 59 00:03:32,179 --> 00:03:34,246 Who lives in the home with you? 60 00:03:34,848 --> 00:03:35,747 I have a photo here. 61 00:03:35,749 --> 00:03:37,082 [Steve] Okay. 62 00:03:37,451 --> 00:03:40,786 [Brooke] That's my daughter, Novee, she's four. 63 00:03:40,788 --> 00:03:45,357 That is my daughter Michaela, she's 23 and my son Kingston, he's nine. 64 00:03:45,359 --> 00:03:46,725 Okay, so they all live here now? 65 00:03:46,727 --> 00:03:50,095 Michaela used to, um, but she moved out about two years ago 66 00:03:50,097 --> 00:03:53,131 and she will be moving back in in a couple months. 67 00:03:53,133 --> 00:03:54,900 I have a granddaughter now. 68 00:03:54,968 --> 00:03:56,401 Ah, okay. 69 00:03:56,403 --> 00:03:57,836 All right, is she happy about coming home? 70 00:03:57,838 --> 00:03:59,471 No, she's terrified. 71 00:03:59,473 --> 00:04:00,872 Because of what's going on here. 72 00:04:00,874 --> 00:04:04,876 Yes and she would have to move down into the basement. 73 00:04:04,878 --> 00:04:07,679 What about your little one, as far as experiences. Is she having any? 74 00:04:07,681 --> 00:04:08,714 Absolutely. 75 00:04:08,716 --> 00:04:11,383 -[Steve] Okay. -She has probably the most. 76 00:04:11,385 --> 00:04:15,053 I recently started documenting it and recording it. 77 00:04:21,895 --> 00:04:23,161 [Brooke speaking] 78 00:04:34,408 --> 00:04:35,974 That just breaks my heart. [sighs] 79 00:04:35,976 --> 00:04:38,510 Um, so something's touching her. 80 00:04:38,512 --> 00:04:42,014 This is just one of the examples of many. 81 00:04:42,016 --> 00:04:45,951 Are you telling me your son's teachers had suggested to call us? 82 00:04:45,953 --> 00:04:46,785 Now, that's a first. 83 00:04:46,787 --> 00:04:48,186 Yeah. 84 00:04:48,188 --> 00:04:49,955 Tell me about that. What happened? 85 00:04:49,957 --> 00:04:56,962 They did bring up that he is playing and talking and seeing dead children. 86 00:04:57,531 --> 00:05:00,499 And he did not want them to tell me. 87 00:05:00,501 --> 00:05:03,402 Okay, Brooke, uh, obviously there's a lot going on here, 88 00:05:03,404 --> 00:05:05,904 so just give me a list of what you guys are experiencing. 89 00:05:05,906 --> 00:05:07,973 [Brooke] So, we hear strange things. 90 00:05:07,975 --> 00:05:10,809 We're seeing shadow people. 91 00:05:10,811 --> 00:05:12,477 Things are getting really violent. 92 00:05:12,479 --> 00:05:14,780 It's affecting my health. 93 00:05:14,782 --> 00:05:16,415 What about your health? What are we talking about? 94 00:05:16,417 --> 00:05:20,118 I get headaches. The fatigue is horrible. 95 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,854 Um, sometimes it almost feels like I'm sedated. 96 00:05:22,923 --> 00:05:23,555 Anxiety. 97 00:05:23,557 --> 00:05:24,723 What do you think is here? 98 00:05:24,725 --> 00:05:28,960 I feel like there's a spiritual warfare going on here. 99 00:05:30,931 --> 00:05:36,201 [Amy] The man who killed that dead girl I saw, tries to be a shadow man. 100 00:05:38,439 --> 00:05:43,942 There's fighting going on between this dead woman and this dead guy. 101 00:05:43,944 --> 00:05:48,146 So, all of a sudden, a living person's having massive anxiety. 102 00:05:48,148 --> 00:05:52,884 Massive panic, like almost panic attacks, when the fighting is going on. 103 00:05:52,886 --> 00:05:55,187 This person's getting wicked headaches. 104 00:05:55,923 --> 00:05:58,724 Ah, [bleep], my head. [exclaims] 105 00:05:58,726 --> 00:06:01,893 He does use headaches to distract the living 106 00:06:01,895 --> 00:06:04,963 and to get the dead girl out of the room. 107 00:06:04,965 --> 00:06:08,200 He stops her from talking, 'cause he doesn't want 108 00:06:08,202 --> 00:06:11,737 anybody to know that he killed her. 109 00:06:11,805 --> 00:06:13,238 [bleep] 110 00:06:18,579 --> 00:06:20,912 -[Steve] All right, so, is this your bedroom? -[Brooke] Yes. 111 00:06:20,914 --> 00:06:22,247 Tell me about some of the experiences you're having. 112 00:06:22,249 --> 00:06:24,416 I'm seeing shadow figures. 113 00:06:24,418 --> 00:06:26,685 -Is it possible you're getting a shadow from outside? -[Brooke] No. 114 00:06:26,687 --> 00:06:27,786 Why is that? 115 00:06:27,788 --> 00:06:30,722 I have my curtains all closed at all times. 116 00:06:30,724 --> 00:06:33,191 Okay, so, what else is going on? 117 00:06:33,193 --> 00:06:35,594 When I was walking through my living room, 118 00:06:35,596 --> 00:06:38,997 something grabbed my purse strap and jerked me. 119 00:06:38,999 --> 00:06:41,333 Okay, so how hard were you jerked? Show me. 120 00:06:42,102 --> 00:06:43,235 -Are you sure? -Yeah, yeah. 121 00:06:43,737 --> 00:06:45,504 Oh! Okay. 122 00:06:45,506 --> 00:06:48,006 All right. Did anything else physical happen to you? 123 00:06:48,008 --> 00:06:52,344 Yes. I was attacked when I was giving my daughter, Novee, a bath. 124 00:06:52,346 --> 00:06:53,711 Okay, what happened? 125 00:06:53,713 --> 00:06:57,883 Out of nowhere, my arms started burning, like acid was on them. 126 00:06:57,885 --> 00:07:00,952 I actually have a photo I wanna show you of the scratches. 127 00:07:00,954 --> 00:07:02,187 Oof. 128 00:07:02,589 --> 00:07:03,889 Those are definitely scratches. 129 00:07:03,891 --> 00:07:06,625 -This ain't a rash or anything. -[Brooke] No. 130 00:07:06,627 --> 00:07:08,827 Why don't you just get the hell out of here? 131 00:07:08,829 --> 00:07:10,629 -I fought for this house. -Mmm-hmm. 132 00:07:10,631 --> 00:07:11,429 This is our house. 133 00:07:12,933 --> 00:07:14,633 -It is your house, right? -Mmm-hmm. 134 00:07:14,635 --> 00:07:16,134 -[Steve] It's not their house. -Right. 135 00:07:16,570 --> 00:07:17,969 -Okay. -I'm not gonna give up. 136 00:07:20,808 --> 00:07:26,278 So the dead woman, that I saw outside, does come in here often. 137 00:07:27,981 --> 00:07:31,683 I think this person is a sensitive and she keeps trying 138 00:07:31,685 --> 00:07:34,052 to talk to this person. 139 00:07:34,054 --> 00:07:36,788 I see her, like, shaking the bed. 140 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:39,691 The person's feeling like the bed's moving, 141 00:07:39,693 --> 00:07:42,127 which is, you know, freaking her out. 142 00:07:42,830 --> 00:07:45,464 And the dead lady's getting angry, 143 00:07:45,466 --> 00:07:48,900 because she wants to get the [bleep] out of here. 144 00:07:48,902 --> 00:07:52,504 She's touching the lady's hair, trying to talk 145 00:07:52,506 --> 00:07:55,740 and then she gets louder and louder and louder. 146 00:07:55,742 --> 00:07:57,676 So there's a definite miscommunication here, 147 00:07:57,678 --> 00:07:59,277 between the dead and the living. 148 00:08:05,285 --> 00:08:07,219 [Steve] So, Michaela, your mom said 149 00:08:07,221 --> 00:08:09,554 you moved out of here, because of the activity that was going on? 150 00:08:09,556 --> 00:08:11,656 [Michaela] Yes, it was that bad. 151 00:08:11,658 --> 00:08:13,191 I understand that you're moving back here 152 00:08:13,193 --> 00:08:14,726 with your two-year-old daughter. 153 00:08:14,728 --> 00:08:16,428 Why is that? 154 00:08:16,430 --> 00:08:20,432 Well, I'm going back to school to be a nurse and it's gonna help me financially. 155 00:08:20,434 --> 00:08:24,035 So, the basement, what's-- Why'd you bring me down here? What's the story? 156 00:08:24,037 --> 00:08:26,438 This is where I'm actually moving back into. 157 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,873 Okay. 158 00:08:27,875 --> 00:08:30,675 And this is where I felt a lot of the activity going on, 159 00:08:30,677 --> 00:08:33,278 but this would be the only room for me to go. 160 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,882 Okay, so take me through the experiences you had when you were living here. 161 00:08:36,884 --> 00:08:41,786 So, one night, I woke up in my room and my body was completely paralyzed. 162 00:08:41,788 --> 00:08:43,955 I had tears coming down my eyes. 163 00:08:43,957 --> 00:08:45,390 I was crying, 'cause I was so scared. 164 00:08:45,392 --> 00:08:48,126 I couldn't even scream if I wanted to. 165 00:08:48,128 --> 00:08:49,794 Were you on any kind of medication or anything like that? 166 00:08:49,796 --> 00:08:52,564 -No. -So, nothing. Taking any weed that might have... 167 00:08:52,566 --> 00:08:54,799 -No. -Okay, so what else can you tell me? 168 00:08:54,801 --> 00:08:57,702 I was in my bedroom once and when I looked 169 00:08:57,704 --> 00:08:59,704 to the doorway, there was a shadow figure. 170 00:08:59,706 --> 00:09:01,006 Okay, so now, your mom mentioned 171 00:09:01,008 --> 00:09:02,641 about a shadow figure that she saw in the hallway. 172 00:09:02,643 --> 00:09:04,409 What'd it look like to you? 173 00:09:04,411 --> 00:09:08,413 It looked like a smaller person and I honestly started crying. 174 00:09:08,415 --> 00:09:10,615 -Because I was so scared. -Right. 175 00:09:10,617 --> 00:09:13,385 Because I just felt like something bad was about to happen to me. 176 00:09:13,387 --> 00:09:14,719 It's no wonder you don't wanna come back here. 177 00:09:14,721 --> 00:09:16,955 I mean, what else is going on? 178 00:09:16,957 --> 00:09:19,291 I'm constantly feeling watched in this house. 179 00:09:19,293 --> 00:09:21,126 -It's very creepy. -Okay. 180 00:09:21,128 --> 00:09:24,763 It feels creepy and one of the reasons it does is one of the places 181 00:09:24,765 --> 00:09:27,365 -I often felt watched was when I was in the shower. -[Steve] Hmm. 182 00:09:27,367 --> 00:09:31,703 And it felt like someone was in the room staring at me. 183 00:09:31,705 --> 00:09:33,805 [Steve] So, listen, I'm not trying to pick on you, 184 00:09:33,807 --> 00:09:37,576 but you're moving back here with a two-year-old. 185 00:09:37,578 --> 00:09:38,810 You think that's such a good idea? 186 00:09:38,812 --> 00:09:42,180 No, I honestly don't think it's a good idea, 187 00:09:42,182 --> 00:09:44,783 but, at the same time, I don't have a choice. 188 00:09:44,785 --> 00:09:45,717 [Steve] Okay. 189 00:09:49,823 --> 00:09:53,425 [Amy] That dude is a little perv-y 190 00:09:54,895 --> 00:09:57,929 and he does watch women in the shower. 191 00:09:58,832 --> 00:09:59,431 Don't like that. 192 00:10:00,133 --> 00:10:01,399 Not good. 193 00:10:02,869 --> 00:10:05,403 -He does get really angry down there. -[Matt] The basement? 194 00:10:06,206 --> 00:10:09,174 [Amy] Yes. That's his lair. 195 00:10:10,777 --> 00:10:14,879 Sometimes he literally shakes the entire house. 196 00:10:14,881 --> 00:10:18,049 They hear bangs from him all the [bleep] time. 197 00:10:18,051 --> 00:10:21,586 He literally goes crazy down there. 198 00:10:21,588 --> 00:10:27,359 He would not like anybody down here living-wise, period. 199 00:10:54,855 --> 00:10:56,788 [Steve] Hey, Kingston, there you are. 200 00:10:56,790 --> 00:10:57,689 -[Kingston] Yeah. -[Steve] How are you, buddy? 201 00:10:57,691 --> 00:10:59,090 [Kingston] I'm good. 202 00:10:59,092 --> 00:11:01,526 -[Steve] What are you doing out here, are you playing? -Yeah. 203 00:11:01,528 --> 00:11:04,029 So mom was telling me you're having some experiences in the house? 204 00:11:04,031 --> 00:11:05,964 -[Kingston] Yeah. -Yeah, what's going on? 205 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,066 Uh... Hmm... 206 00:11:10,237 --> 00:11:11,202 You could tell me. 207 00:11:11,605 --> 00:11:12,971 Well... 208 00:11:13,607 --> 00:11:15,974 It's just, I need to find out what's going on. 209 00:11:15,976 --> 00:11:18,209 -Okay. -Mom said you have some friends that you talk to? 210 00:11:18,211 --> 00:11:19,344 That nobody else can see? 211 00:11:19,780 --> 00:11:20,645 Yeah. 212 00:11:20,647 --> 00:11:22,380 So, what can you tell me about them? 213 00:11:22,382 --> 00:11:26,718 Um, the first one, he likes to play Legos with me. 214 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,389 And the second one, likes to, um, watch TV with me. 215 00:11:31,391 --> 00:11:33,024 Let's talk about the third one. 216 00:11:33,994 --> 00:11:35,026 What's his story? 217 00:11:35,062 --> 00:11:36,194 Um... 218 00:11:39,933 --> 00:11:41,700 I, uh... Hmm... 219 00:11:41,702 --> 00:11:43,201 He doesn't really do anything. 220 00:11:43,970 --> 00:11:46,404 Usually, he's, um, outside. 221 00:11:46,406 --> 00:11:47,972 Does he scare you at all? 222 00:11:49,543 --> 00:11:52,143 Um, well, I don't know. 223 00:11:52,145 --> 00:11:53,478 [Steve] What do you hoping we can do for you? 224 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,847 Well, if I can have my normal life back, 225 00:11:55,849 --> 00:12:00,919 to being a playful boy, playing with Legos, watch TV a lot... 226 00:12:00,921 --> 00:12:03,655 -[Steve] Right. -...and play with my friends at daycare. 227 00:12:03,657 --> 00:12:05,423 [Steve] So you wanna go back to being-- 228 00:12:05,425 --> 00:12:07,392 Having a normal life and not seeing... 229 00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:09,494 -[Kingston] Yeah. -...people that nobody else sees, right? 230 00:12:09,496 --> 00:12:12,097 -Yeah, and that's all I can tell you. -[Steve] All right. 231 00:12:14,668 --> 00:12:17,502 [Amy] I'm getting this scared little kid in this room. 232 00:12:17,504 --> 00:12:23,241 This person is hearing something coming down the hallway. 233 00:12:25,312 --> 00:12:29,280 I think it's the killer guy, but he looks different. 234 00:12:29,282 --> 00:12:34,385 And then there's, like, I think... I wanna say scratching at the door. 235 00:12:34,387 --> 00:12:39,390 And then the door's opening and then there's, like, this black mist. 236 00:12:39,392 --> 00:12:43,261 But, you know, about this tall? 237 00:12:43,263 --> 00:12:45,997 Kind of rolling into the room. 238 00:12:49,903 --> 00:12:56,107 It was, like, you know, a very aggressive feeling is coming from this thing. 239 00:12:56,109 --> 00:13:00,111 Like, I'm gonna [bleep] take your [bleep] out. 240 00:13:01,915 --> 00:13:03,481 And this person's scared. 241 00:13:03,483 --> 00:13:06,584 At some point too, this person's being held down. 242 00:13:06,586 --> 00:13:10,822 Like, I see this shadow figure leaning over and holding 243 00:13:10,824 --> 00:13:14,292 this person down by their shoulders. 244 00:13:14,294 --> 00:13:18,696 Like, can feel that something's right there 245 00:13:18,698 --> 00:13:20,965 and they can't move, they can't talk. 246 00:13:22,002 --> 00:13:26,104 He seems to enjoy torturing them. 247 00:13:26,773 --> 00:13:28,072 Oof. 248 00:13:28,675 --> 00:13:30,875 [Steve] After talking to Kingston, I got the feeling 249 00:13:30,877 --> 00:13:33,611 he's dealing with a lot more than he's letting on. 250 00:13:33,613 --> 00:13:36,281 So, I reached out to the teachers who talked Brooke into calling us in, 251 00:13:36,283 --> 00:13:38,316 to see what he shared with them. 252 00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:48,426 So, what made you guys think Kingston had some issues going on with him? 253 00:13:48,428 --> 00:13:52,931 He just, kind of, talked to me about things that he was seeing at home 254 00:13:52,933 --> 00:13:56,801 and, um, that he was a little nervous and apprehensive about. 255 00:13:56,803 --> 00:13:58,770 Did he get specific with you? 256 00:13:58,772 --> 00:14:03,041 Yeah, he, um, told me that there were three children. 257 00:14:03,043 --> 00:14:07,712 And that two children interact more with him than the third. 258 00:14:07,714 --> 00:14:12,650 And that the third is, um, not as nice. 259 00:14:12,652 --> 00:14:15,987 He got really bad vibes off of him and that he was, like, really mean. 260 00:14:15,989 --> 00:14:17,622 He said something interesting to me. 261 00:14:17,624 --> 00:14:20,024 He says, um, "Well, if they do leave, 262 00:14:20,026 --> 00:14:21,425 then I can get my life back to normal." 263 00:14:21,427 --> 00:14:26,931 That, to me, makes me feel like right now, it's bothering him a lot. 264 00:14:26,933 --> 00:14:28,333 It's really weighing heavy on him. 265 00:14:28,568 --> 00:14:29,834 He is struggling. 266 00:14:29,903 --> 00:14:33,404 Ladies, you're convinced that what's going on with Kingston's 267 00:14:33,406 --> 00:14:35,907 paranormal-related and not anything else? 268 00:14:35,909 --> 00:14:37,709 Yes, my family actually grew up in the area 269 00:14:37,711 --> 00:14:40,478 and we've had experiences as well. 270 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,582 -He's a good kid and it's a good family. -It is a good family. 271 00:14:44,584 --> 00:14:48,686 [Steve] So, I'm curious, you guys being teachers and suggesting the paranormal, 272 00:14:48,688 --> 00:14:52,790 were you worried about, any kind of, backlash, or anything like that? 273 00:14:52,792 --> 00:14:56,895 No, I wasn't, uh, after you teach for over 20 years, 274 00:14:56,897 --> 00:15:01,900 you see a lot and you experience a lot and you know your kids. 275 00:15:01,902 --> 00:15:05,503 And Kingston is not one to make up stories to scare people. 276 00:15:05,505 --> 00:15:07,038 Okay. 277 00:15:09,175 --> 00:15:15,413 I feel like this person wasn't being taken seriously for a while 278 00:15:15,415 --> 00:15:18,216 and has seen a lot of [bleep]. 279 00:15:21,688 --> 00:15:24,422 I think that this person 280 00:15:25,225 --> 00:15:30,495 is actually kind of happy that we're here. 281 00:15:30,497 --> 00:15:35,099 'Cause I think this person's very tired and scared. 282 00:15:47,681 --> 00:15:49,814 [Steve] We've done quite a few cases here over the years, 283 00:15:49,816 --> 00:15:51,849 so I've made a bunch of local contacts. 284 00:15:51,851 --> 00:15:53,785 One of them is a genealogist. 285 00:15:53,787 --> 00:15:55,687 She just called me, saying a couple 286 00:15:55,689 --> 00:15:57,889 of the original owners of Brooke's property 287 00:15:57,891 --> 00:16:00,391 have a story I definitely need to know about. 288 00:16:10,670 --> 00:16:11,669 Well, Mary, it's good to see you again, 289 00:16:11,671 --> 00:16:13,404 I appreciate you helping me out. 290 00:16:13,406 --> 00:16:15,807 All right, so, what can you tell me about this family? 291 00:16:15,809 --> 00:16:20,178 All right, well, back in 1916, there were two brothers. 292 00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:22,380 -Okay. -Michael and John Hartman. 293 00:16:22,382 --> 00:16:26,651 And they bought three lots right here where your client's property is today. 294 00:16:26,653 --> 00:16:31,456 It's seems that they were planning to move their mom on to one of the lots, 295 00:16:31,458 --> 00:16:35,026 because she had been widowed when they were very young boys. 296 00:16:35,028 --> 00:16:36,694 Okay, so the kids were looking to take care of their mother. 297 00:16:36,696 --> 00:16:37,829 [Mary] Yes. 298 00:16:37,831 --> 00:16:39,530 All right, so they seem like a close-knit family. 299 00:16:39,532 --> 00:16:40,798 Do you know anything else about them? 300 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,601 Well, they were immigrants from Transylvania, 301 00:16:43,603 --> 00:16:47,805 which was the Catholic region of Romania. 302 00:16:47,807 --> 00:16:51,042 All right, so we got two brothers that owned my client's property. 303 00:16:51,044 --> 00:16:52,043 Let's start with, uh, Michael. 304 00:16:52,045 --> 00:16:55,146 All right, well Michael actually would up moving 305 00:16:55,148 --> 00:16:58,916 to Indiana shortly after they bought the property. 306 00:16:58,918 --> 00:17:00,118 Okay. 307 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,021 And he worked as a truck driver for the public library. 308 00:17:03,023 --> 00:17:06,691 But it turned out, Michael was leading sort of a double life. 309 00:17:06,693 --> 00:17:11,596 He was running a bootlegging operation and a speakeasy 310 00:17:11,598 --> 00:17:13,998 and he was arrested for that in 1930. 311 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,401 I have a newspaper article about that. 312 00:17:17,871 --> 00:17:19,737 [Steve] Does he do any jail time? 313 00:17:19,739 --> 00:17:21,339 Does he plea out? What happened to this guy? 314 00:17:21,341 --> 00:17:23,808 Presumably, he did a little bit of time 315 00:17:23,810 --> 00:17:30,248 and he would up dying in Indiana in 1956 at the age of 73. 316 00:17:32,018 --> 00:17:36,120 [Amy] There's something really strange about this killer guy. 317 00:17:36,122 --> 00:17:40,691 He is afraid of Catholicism, so that's interesting. 318 00:17:40,693 --> 00:17:45,329 I feel like this bad guy did live here. 319 00:17:45,331 --> 00:17:48,733 Something about mother, possibly living with her. 320 00:17:48,735 --> 00:17:52,270 Some kind of, like, government job, like, I mean, obviously he got benefits. 321 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,173 Definitely mentally ill. 322 00:17:58,778 --> 00:18:01,479 Okay, so we got one brother who's a bootlegger. 323 00:18:01,481 --> 00:18:04,782 -And died at the age of 73 in Indiana. -Mmm-hmm. 324 00:18:04,784 --> 00:18:06,651 Okay, so what about John? What do we know about him? 325 00:18:06,653 --> 00:18:11,022 Unlike Michael, uh, John stayed on the property. 326 00:18:11,024 --> 00:18:14,659 Things turned tragic for John almost immediately. 327 00:18:14,661 --> 00:18:15,827 So, what happens with this guy? 328 00:18:15,829 --> 00:18:18,596 He had a wife and she came down 329 00:18:18,598 --> 00:18:21,165 with a severe case of pneumonia. 330 00:18:21,167 --> 00:18:26,104 She was only 27 years old when she died in 1919. 331 00:18:28,641 --> 00:18:30,842 [Steve] All right, so does this guy wind up remarrying at all? 332 00:18:30,844 --> 00:18:33,444 Yes, he marries, actually, pretty quickly. 333 00:18:33,446 --> 00:18:36,914 He marries a woman named Johanna. 334 00:18:36,916 --> 00:18:38,883 Okay, so is there anything else I should know about this family? 335 00:18:38,885 --> 00:18:44,288 By 1940, John was diagnosed with a terrible kidney disease. 336 00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:47,792 Uh, he suffered with this for ten years. 337 00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:50,428 All right, so this guy had a miserable existence for all this time. 338 00:18:50,430 --> 00:18:51,695 Yes, he did. 339 00:18:51,697 --> 00:18:59,003 He died on your client's property in 1950, at the age of 63. 340 00:19:00,807 --> 00:19:02,773 [Steve] What about Johanna, does she stick around? 341 00:19:02,775 --> 00:19:06,911 Johanna stayed on the land for another 34 years. 342 00:19:06,913 --> 00:19:11,549 She wound up dying in 1984 at age of 86. 343 00:19:11,551 --> 00:19:13,851 So it's a sad story, you know... 344 00:19:13,853 --> 00:19:18,823 Comes here as an immigrant, thoughts of new life, loses his wife young. 345 00:19:18,825 --> 00:19:22,693 And then, ten years of suffering from something like that had to be 346 00:19:22,695 --> 00:19:24,061 incredibly hard for this guy. 347 00:19:24,063 --> 00:19:26,197 Yeah, he suffered a lot. 348 00:19:29,769 --> 00:19:31,969 [Amy] There's a couple. 349 00:19:32,005 --> 00:19:33,404 So, man and wife. 350 00:19:33,706 --> 00:19:36,807 I guess both are deceased. 351 00:19:36,809 --> 00:19:40,244 Uh, they ran upstairs, so I need to get upstairs. 352 00:19:43,082 --> 00:19:46,784 Okay, I don't know where they went. 353 00:19:46,786 --> 00:19:49,020 I think they're hiding in a closet. 354 00:19:51,524 --> 00:19:55,059 I think he died before she did. 355 00:19:56,696 --> 00:20:00,231 [Steve] I just got a call from my old friend, journalist Lou Hebert. 356 00:20:00,867 --> 00:20:04,202 Now, he said he found something that may help my case. 357 00:20:04,771 --> 00:20:07,104 He tells me a teenage girl died in a lake, 358 00:20:07,106 --> 00:20:09,507 less than a mile from Brooke's house. 359 00:20:09,509 --> 00:20:11,742 At first, everyone thought it was a drowning. 360 00:20:11,744 --> 00:20:14,445 That is, until it started to look like a murder. 361 00:20:22,689 --> 00:20:24,055 Well, Lou, it's good to see you again. 362 00:20:24,057 --> 00:20:26,657 Uh, thanks for helping me out on another case. 363 00:20:26,659 --> 00:20:28,125 So, before we get to the drowning, 364 00:20:28,127 --> 00:20:28,792 what do we know about this victim? 365 00:20:28,794 --> 00:20:30,661 Her name was Molly Petelinker. 366 00:20:30,663 --> 00:20:35,967 She was 15 at the time, she was, uh, born and raised here in Euclid. 367 00:20:35,969 --> 00:20:38,536 At the time, she was dating a guy by the name of John Mckay. 368 00:20:38,538 --> 00:20:41,973 He was seven years her senior, he was 22 years of age. 369 00:20:41,975 --> 00:20:44,542 Okay, Lou, so let's get to the drowning, what happened? 370 00:20:44,544 --> 00:20:46,777 Well, it happened on June seventh, 1928. 371 00:20:46,779 --> 00:20:49,447 John and Molly were right here at Euclid Beach. 372 00:20:49,449 --> 00:20:52,049 They took a rowboat out into the lake. 373 00:20:52,051 --> 00:20:54,919 A few hours later, the rowboat comes back to the beach, 374 00:20:54,921 --> 00:20:56,821 and it's overturned. 375 00:20:56,823 --> 00:20:59,724 Okay, so, I assume they had a search party? 376 00:20:59,726 --> 00:21:01,259 Yeah, they started looking for them, 377 00:21:01,261 --> 00:21:03,427 but they didn't find anything right away. 378 00:21:03,429 --> 00:21:07,431 But about two weeks later, a fisherman happened upon a body of a woman. 379 00:21:07,433 --> 00:21:09,634 She was wrapped in fisherman's line. 380 00:21:09,636 --> 00:21:12,837 And then they determined it was, in fact, Molly. 381 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:14,639 -Okay. -But they never found John. 382 00:21:14,641 --> 00:21:17,308 And it was presumed that he had drowned as well. 383 00:21:17,310 --> 00:21:20,645 Here's a picture of her, an article at the time. 384 00:21:20,647 --> 00:21:22,780 [Steve] All right, so when did they start to consider this a murder? 385 00:21:22,782 --> 00:21:24,882 Molly's sister gets a letter. 386 00:21:24,884 --> 00:21:27,785 A very strange letter that's expressing sympathy 387 00:21:27,787 --> 00:21:29,720 and some guilt over Molly's death. 388 00:21:29,722 --> 00:21:31,722 and interestingly enough, 389 00:21:31,724 --> 00:21:33,724 it's signed by a fictitious author. 390 00:21:33,726 --> 00:21:36,727 The police decide to reopen the case now, 391 00:21:36,729 --> 00:21:39,664 and they put out a citywide search for John Mckay. 392 00:21:39,666 --> 00:21:41,999 Here's an article on it right there. 393 00:21:42,535 --> 00:21:43,968 [Steve] All right, so did they ever find this guy? 394 00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:46,871 No, they looked for about a year and a half, 395 00:21:46,873 --> 00:21:49,940 and John Mckay has never been found. 396 00:21:49,942 --> 00:21:51,409 [Steve] It's very strange, this story. 397 00:21:51,411 --> 00:21:54,145 I'm more on the side of there's a little foul play here. 398 00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:55,413 I would tend to agree. It's-- 399 00:21:55,415 --> 00:21:56,713 He's probably, um-- 400 00:21:56,715 --> 00:21:59,083 -He probably found a new life somewhere. -[Steve] Yeah. 401 00:22:02,955 --> 00:22:05,956 [Amy] The killer guy hides his victim down here. 402 00:22:06,826 --> 00:22:11,095 This is where he likes to keep the lady. 403 00:22:11,698 --> 00:22:15,766 She did not get buried. 404 00:22:15,768 --> 00:22:18,402 He left her outside and she rotted really quick. 405 00:22:19,072 --> 00:22:21,305 This dude killed her, 406 00:22:21,741 --> 00:22:23,040 and he thinks 407 00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:25,209 nobody knew about this, 408 00:22:25,845 --> 00:22:28,679 but here, he like, keeps her, 409 00:22:28,681 --> 00:22:33,150 and he keeps burying her, and burying her, and burying her. 410 00:22:33,753 --> 00:22:35,119 All I hear from him is, 411 00:22:35,121 --> 00:22:38,956 "Stay dead. Stay dead. Stay dead. Stay dead." 412 00:22:38,958 --> 00:22:43,127 He just wants her to be quiet and disappear... 413 00:22:43,963 --> 00:22:48,532 ...because he doesn't want her telling everybody anything about 414 00:22:48,534 --> 00:22:51,202 her being murdered, I think, by him. 415 00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:00,711 For more information about the show, 416 00:23:00,713 --> 00:23:04,382 and if you need us to investigate unexplained activity in your home... 417 00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:07,918 ...please visit TravelChannel.com/ TheDeadFiles. 418 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,887 Click on "Help Me, Dead Files!" to submit your story, 419 00:23:09,889 --> 00:23:11,422 and we'll help if we can. 420 00:23:18,598 --> 00:23:20,231 [Steve] So far, I've got a terrified mother 421 00:23:20,233 --> 00:23:22,066 worried about the safety of her children 422 00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:26,437 on a property where one of the first owners suffered a long and painful death... 423 00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:29,440 ...but I wanna see if there's anything else. 424 00:23:31,411 --> 00:23:34,512 Searching through old records, I make a horrifying discovery: 425 00:23:34,514 --> 00:23:38,883 There was a deadly fire at a school near Brooke's house. 426 00:23:38,885 --> 00:23:41,986 I'm heading over to meet a local author who wrote a book about this tragedy. 427 00:23:41,988 --> 00:23:43,954 Now, he says the worst part is 428 00:23:43,956 --> 00:23:46,190 it was completely preventable. 429 00:23:50,563 --> 00:23:52,229 So, Dr. Badal, 430 00:23:52,231 --> 00:23:54,765 I appreciate you helping me out with this case and taking the time. 431 00:23:54,767 --> 00:23:57,168 Before we get to this horrific fire, 432 00:23:57,170 --> 00:23:58,736 what can you tell me about the school? 433 00:23:58,738 --> 00:24:02,473 Well, the school was originally constructed in 1901. 434 00:24:02,475 --> 00:24:05,409 This is what the finished building looked like. 435 00:24:05,411 --> 00:24:10,815 300 to 350 children were distributed among nine different classrooms. 436 00:24:10,817 --> 00:24:12,983 [Steve] Do me a favor. Take me through the fire. What happened? 437 00:24:12,985 --> 00:24:16,587 [Dr. Badal] Well, it was March 4, 1908. 438 00:24:16,589 --> 00:24:19,223 14-year-old girl, she asked to go to the lavatory, 439 00:24:19,225 --> 00:24:21,992 and as she walked down the stairway, 440 00:24:21,994 --> 00:24:26,897 she saw a little wisp of smoke coming up between the cracks of one of the steps, 441 00:24:26,899 --> 00:24:30,201 so she called to the janitor, whom she saw, 442 00:24:30,203 --> 00:24:31,669 and when he saw the smoke, 443 00:24:31,671 --> 00:24:33,737 he ran into one of the classrooms 444 00:24:33,739 --> 00:24:35,005 and pulled the fire alarm. 445 00:24:35,007 --> 00:24:36,407 Where did things go wrong? 446 00:24:36,409 --> 00:24:38,409 [Dr. Badal] Virtually everywhere. 447 00:24:38,411 --> 00:24:42,746 When the janitor opened the doors at both sides of the building, 448 00:24:42,748 --> 00:24:44,615 the wind just went like this, 449 00:24:44,617 --> 00:24:48,052 and the entire interior of the school was wood. 450 00:24:48,054 --> 00:24:49,920 -So, it turned it into a big chimney. -[Dr. Badal] So... 451 00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:51,956 It turned it into a chimney, 452 00:24:51,958 --> 00:24:54,758 and there was a second factor involved. 453 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,127 The interior was Georgia pine, 454 00:24:57,129 --> 00:25:01,532 and the janitor cleaned it and kept it looking nice by using oil, 455 00:25:01,534 --> 00:25:04,034 which is an accelerant. 456 00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:05,736 [Steve] Does the fire department eventually show up? 457 00:25:05,738 --> 00:25:07,037 [Dr. Badal] Yes. 458 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:08,038 Okay, so what happened once they got there? 459 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,842 The pressure in the hydrants was low, 460 00:25:11,844 --> 00:25:16,013 and they didn't have ladders that were big enough to reach to the second and third floor. 461 00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:17,114 Any fire escapes? 462 00:25:17,116 --> 00:25:18,816 There was one. 463 00:25:18,818 --> 00:25:19,917 In a building that big? 464 00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:22,953 Originally, the builder wanted to use three, 465 00:25:22,955 --> 00:25:25,189 but the school board balked at the cost. 466 00:25:25,424 --> 00:25:27,858 Okay. I'm not surprised. 467 00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:31,061 There's actually some footage that was taken of the fire. 468 00:25:36,369 --> 00:25:37,601 [Steve] Unbelievable. 469 00:25:37,603 --> 00:25:40,170 -These kids never had a chance. -[Dr. Badal] No. 470 00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:43,073 [Steve] Now, you told me how many kids went to this school. 471 00:25:43,075 --> 00:25:44,808 What was the final death count? 472 00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:48,012 172 children were killed, 473 00:25:48,014 --> 00:25:49,079 two teachers, 474 00:25:49,081 --> 00:25:50,714 and one would-be rescuer. 475 00:25:50,716 --> 00:25:52,750 The fire was so bad 476 00:25:52,752 --> 00:25:56,120 that 19 of the children never were identified. 477 00:25:56,722 --> 00:25:58,856 [Steve] So, Jim, when we spoke on the phone, 478 00:25:58,858 --> 00:26:00,624 you said that this might have been preventable. 479 00:26:00,626 --> 00:26:01,692 What'd you mean by that? 480 00:26:01,694 --> 00:26:04,395 They determined that the cause of the fire 481 00:26:04,397 --> 00:26:08,399 was an overheated steam pipe too close to a wooden joist. 482 00:26:08,401 --> 00:26:09,033 Okay. 483 00:26:09,035 --> 00:26:11,035 It was a design flaw. 484 00:26:11,037 --> 00:26:13,203 Was there an investigation? Anybody charged? 485 00:26:13,205 --> 00:26:14,038 [Dr. Badal] No. 486 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,674 There was a very extensive investigation, 487 00:26:16,676 --> 00:26:18,742 but no one was actually charged. 488 00:26:18,744 --> 00:26:21,512 In fact, here's an article about it. 489 00:26:21,514 --> 00:26:23,781 [Steve] "Slaughtered Innocents!" That's a good title. 490 00:26:23,783 --> 00:26:26,483 So, let me ask you a question. As far as school fires go, 491 00:26:26,485 --> 00:26:28,986 where does this rank in our country? 492 00:26:28,988 --> 00:26:31,088 This is the worst school fire in American history. 493 00:26:39,565 --> 00:26:42,833 [Amy] I saw several disturbing things on my walk, 494 00:26:42,835 --> 00:26:46,837 but the dead killer burying his female victim in the basement 495 00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:48,005 concerns me the most. 496 00:26:48,073 --> 00:26:50,774 I saw a grave, 497 00:26:50,776 --> 00:26:53,811 and it had fresh earth put on top, 498 00:26:53,813 --> 00:26:57,648 and then around it, it had, uh, little stones. 499 00:26:57,650 --> 00:27:01,752 What I saw of him was basically the back of him, 500 00:27:01,754 --> 00:27:04,955 and he had, like, an old-fashioned shovel. 501 00:27:10,396 --> 00:27:12,096 Amy, is this what you saw? 502 00:27:13,933 --> 00:27:15,432 Yes. That's what I saw. 503 00:27:35,354 --> 00:27:38,222 [Steve] Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 504 00:27:38,224 --> 00:27:40,824 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 505 00:27:40,826 --> 00:27:43,093 and our clients for the first time. 506 00:27:43,462 --> 00:27:44,528 So, guys, this is Amy. 507 00:27:44,530 --> 00:27:46,563 she's gonna be doing the reveal from another room 508 00:27:46,565 --> 00:27:49,933 so she can focus on the dead and your case without any distractions. 509 00:27:49,935 --> 00:27:52,269 Amy, this is Brooke and her daughter, Michaela. 510 00:27:52,938 --> 00:27:55,706 Now, Brooke is a single mom who lives here 511 00:27:55,708 --> 00:27:58,308 with her four-year-old daughter, Novee, 512 00:27:58,978 --> 00:28:01,378 and her nine-year old son, Kingston. 513 00:28:01,814 --> 00:28:03,814 Now, Michaela used to live here, 514 00:28:03,816 --> 00:28:07,551 but she had some terrible experiences and moved out, 515 00:28:07,553 --> 00:28:09,420 but now, for financial reasons, 516 00:28:09,422 --> 00:28:11,655 she has to move back in with her two-year-old, 517 00:28:11,657 --> 00:28:13,657 and she doesn't think it's going to be safe, 518 00:28:13,659 --> 00:28:15,092 and that's why they called us in. 519 00:28:15,094 --> 00:28:17,695 Unless Amy's got some questions for you, 520 00:28:17,697 --> 00:28:19,029 she'll tell us about her walk. 521 00:28:21,967 --> 00:28:23,267 [Amy] During my walk, 522 00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:27,004 I encountered four deceased people. 523 00:28:27,006 --> 00:28:31,809 The first ones that I wanna talk about are, uh, an older couple. 524 00:28:31,811 --> 00:28:34,778 I believe that it's a man and a wife. 525 00:28:34,780 --> 00:28:40,017 I could not really gather if they had lived here or not. 526 00:28:40,019 --> 00:28:43,854 They were both kind of, you know, on the heavier side 527 00:28:43,856 --> 00:28:45,656 because of their age, mainly. 528 00:28:45,658 --> 00:28:48,726 They looked to be in their sixties. 529 00:28:48,728 --> 00:28:50,994 Late sixties, early seventies, I think. 530 00:28:50,996 --> 00:28:54,765 I do believe the male died prior to the female. 531 00:28:54,767 --> 00:28:56,633 All right, it's not a lot to go on, 532 00:28:56,635 --> 00:29:00,137 but a few things remind me of a guy who used to own this property 533 00:29:00,139 --> 00:29:01,972 and lived on it with two different wives. 534 00:29:01,974 --> 00:29:04,241 His name was John Hartman. 535 00:29:04,243 --> 00:29:05,876 Hartman came here from Transylvania, 536 00:29:05,878 --> 00:29:08,579 saved up, and bought the property in 1916. 537 00:29:08,581 --> 00:29:10,781 Now, his time here was brutal. 538 00:29:10,783 --> 00:29:13,717 In 1919, his first wife died from pneumonia. 539 00:29:13,719 --> 00:29:15,119 She was only 27 years old. 540 00:29:15,421 --> 00:29:16,787 But, he quickly remarried. 541 00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:19,456 His new wife was named Johanna. 542 00:29:19,458 --> 00:29:22,593 Now, you said the man died before the woman. 543 00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:25,429 In 1940, John was diagnosed with a kidney disease. 544 00:29:25,431 --> 00:29:27,798 He suffered for ten long years, 545 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,635 though in 1950, John Hartman died right here on the property. 546 00:29:31,637 --> 00:29:33,804 He was 63 years old when he died. 547 00:29:33,806 --> 00:29:35,973 I have his death certificate here. 548 00:29:37,543 --> 00:29:39,209 Now, after John's death, 549 00:29:39,912 --> 00:29:42,980 Johanna lived here for another 34 years. 550 00:29:42,982 --> 00:29:45,816 She died in 1984 at a local hospital 551 00:29:45,818 --> 00:29:47,651 and she was 86 years old. 552 00:29:47,653 --> 00:29:50,954 Is it possible that's the dead couple you ran into? 553 00:29:50,956 --> 00:29:53,423 [Amy] You know, it's definitely a possibility. 554 00:29:57,496 --> 00:29:59,663 [Steve] Okay, what else we got? 555 00:29:59,665 --> 00:30:03,867 [Amy] Now, I'm gonna discuss the other two individuals that are here. 556 00:30:03,869 --> 00:30:05,869 One of them is a murderer, 557 00:30:05,871 --> 00:30:08,272 and one of them is his victim. 558 00:30:09,408 --> 00:30:11,742 The victim, the female, 559 00:30:11,744 --> 00:30:14,912 is in a very, uh, decomposed state. 560 00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:17,981 I saw her in this room 561 00:30:17,983 --> 00:30:20,951 and going upstairs and to the right. 562 00:30:20,953 --> 00:30:23,120 -[Steve] That's your room, Brooke? -[Brooke] Yes. 563 00:30:23,522 --> 00:30:26,723 She's trying to get help from you, 564 00:30:26,725 --> 00:30:30,394 and the reason why is because you're a sensitive... 565 00:30:32,198 --> 00:30:36,066 ...but you've really shut that down. 566 00:30:36,802 --> 00:30:38,202 I'm sorry. 567 00:30:39,605 --> 00:30:42,773 -What's going on? -Like, she said I... 568 00:30:42,775 --> 00:30:46,109 I, like, feel stuff, but I just shut it down. 569 00:30:46,712 --> 00:30:48,111 I only discuss that with myself. 570 00:30:48,113 --> 00:30:50,380 I've told nobody in this world. 571 00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:52,616 Nobody. 572 00:30:52,618 --> 00:30:53,416 Not even you. 573 00:30:54,820 --> 00:30:57,721 She really wants to tell her story 574 00:30:57,723 --> 00:30:59,957 and to move on. 575 00:30:59,959 --> 00:31:02,960 The murderer, the killer guy, 576 00:31:02,962 --> 00:31:04,661 does not want her to talk. 577 00:31:04,663 --> 00:31:07,831 When she tries to communicate with you, 578 00:31:07,833 --> 00:31:09,666 he gets pissed off and they fight, 579 00:31:09,668 --> 00:31:12,402 and you're picking up on it via emotion 580 00:31:12,404 --> 00:31:15,005 and you're getting panicked and freaked out. 581 00:31:15,007 --> 00:31:17,741 Now, your anxiety is something that's a real issue. 582 00:31:17,743 --> 00:31:19,343 Tell Amy how that goes. 583 00:31:19,345 --> 00:31:20,510 [Brooke] So, it just hits. 584 00:31:20,512 --> 00:31:22,079 I could just walk into a room 585 00:31:22,081 --> 00:31:25,582 and I feel a sense of something's not right, 586 00:31:25,584 --> 00:31:27,751 something's bad, 587 00:31:27,753 --> 00:31:30,654 and I go into really bad anxiety. 588 00:31:30,656 --> 00:31:32,355 It makes sense. 589 00:31:34,059 --> 00:31:37,060 [Steve] Now, you said this murder victim tries to get Brooke's attention. 590 00:31:37,096 --> 00:31:38,428 What does she do? 591 00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:40,731 I did see her touching, 592 00:31:40,733 --> 00:31:43,967 so, like, caressing the hair and the face. 593 00:31:43,969 --> 00:31:45,836 She's just trying to get your attention. 594 00:31:45,838 --> 00:31:48,071 So, um, a week after we moved in, 595 00:31:48,073 --> 00:31:51,408 I was walking through the living room 596 00:31:51,410 --> 00:31:54,678 and someone grabbed my purse strap, 597 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,780 and it took me back a couple feet. 598 00:31:56,782 --> 00:31:57,848 I asked her to demonstrate on me, 599 00:31:57,850 --> 00:31:59,816 and I have news for you, she... 600 00:31:59,818 --> 00:32:01,218 -[Amy] Pretty hard? -[Steve] Yeah, I mean, 601 00:32:01,220 --> 00:32:02,853 I'm 220 pounds and she pulled me. 602 00:32:02,855 --> 00:32:04,554 [Amy] Wow. 603 00:32:04,556 --> 00:32:05,856 The other thing is when you got scratched. 604 00:32:05,858 --> 00:32:08,058 -Mmm. -[Steve] Tell her about that. 605 00:32:08,060 --> 00:32:09,927 So, I was giving my daughter a bath, 606 00:32:09,929 --> 00:32:14,064 and it felt like someone poured acid on my arms, 607 00:32:14,066 --> 00:32:16,066 and when I brought my arms out, 608 00:32:16,068 --> 00:32:17,734 there was 609 00:32:17,736 --> 00:32:20,404 huge scratches going down my arms. 610 00:32:20,406 --> 00:32:22,406 I got a photo right here to show you. 611 00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:26,910 Could that be this woman trying to get her attention, or is that something else? 612 00:32:26,912 --> 00:32:29,046 That's more than likely the... 613 00:32:29,048 --> 00:32:30,414 The killer. 614 00:32:30,416 --> 00:32:31,982 -[Steve] Ah. -[Amy] Yeah. 615 00:32:33,886 --> 00:32:35,585 So, since we're talking about physical, 616 00:32:35,587 --> 00:32:37,220 I wanna talk about Novee. 617 00:32:37,222 --> 00:32:40,357 You had given me a video I want to show to Amy. 618 00:32:56,041 --> 00:32:59,076 That would more than likely be the female. 619 00:33:00,846 --> 00:33:02,779 It makes me very nervous, 620 00:33:02,781 --> 00:33:04,948 and the fact that I'm bringing my daughter 621 00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:06,550 and I'm seeing this with my little sister, 622 00:33:06,552 --> 00:33:08,085 it already breaks my heart. 623 00:33:10,456 --> 00:33:11,855 [Steve] As far as this killer goes, 624 00:33:11,857 --> 00:33:14,024 any idea who he might have been when he was alive? 625 00:33:14,393 --> 00:33:15,926 [Amy] According to him, 626 00:33:15,928 --> 00:33:22,099 this murder he was able to keep secret when he was alive. 627 00:33:22,101 --> 00:33:24,634 I believe that he might have lived here. 628 00:33:24,636 --> 00:33:27,371 I'm thinking that he may have lived with his mother. 629 00:33:27,773 --> 00:33:32,042 He has a deep fear of Catholicism, 630 00:33:32,044 --> 00:33:37,547 and I got that he may have had some type of government job, 631 00:33:37,549 --> 00:33:39,750 like a mailman or something. 632 00:33:39,752 --> 00:33:41,918 What you're talking about makes me think of 633 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,389 the brother of John Hartman that owned the property. 634 00:33:45,391 --> 00:33:46,857 Now, his name was Michael, 635 00:33:46,859 --> 00:33:50,961 and he and John bought three lots 636 00:33:50,963 --> 00:33:53,330 Of property here together back in 1916. 637 00:33:53,332 --> 00:33:55,932 One of the lots was supposed to be for John, the other for Michael, 638 00:33:55,934 --> 00:33:59,136 and the third was supposed to be for the widowed mother... 639 00:33:59,138 --> 00:34:00,670 -Ah. -[Steve] ...so she could live here. 640 00:34:00,672 --> 00:34:01,671 Now, you said this-- 641 00:34:01,673 --> 00:34:03,507 The killer's afraid of Catholicism. 642 00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:06,410 As I mentioned, this family was from Transylvania. 643 00:34:06,412 --> 00:34:10,781 Apparently, it's an extremely Catholic region of Romania. 644 00:34:10,783 --> 00:34:12,649 But, like you said, Michael had a government job. 645 00:34:12,651 --> 00:34:14,718 He drove a library truck. 646 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:16,286 But, as far as murdering someone? 647 00:34:16,989 --> 00:34:18,522 I got nothing on that. 648 00:34:18,524 --> 00:34:21,391 [Amy] He kept it a secret in life. 649 00:34:21,393 --> 00:34:25,395 All of the boxes are coming together with him. 650 00:34:25,397 --> 00:34:28,131 -With the Catholicism and all that? -Yeah. 651 00:34:31,904 --> 00:34:34,938 When I went down into the basement, 652 00:34:35,006 --> 00:34:37,874 he is burying her. 653 00:34:37,876 --> 00:34:41,311 This happens over and over and over again 654 00:34:41,313 --> 00:34:44,414 because she gets out, 655 00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:48,318 and that's when she's coming to you and trying to talk to you, 656 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,622 and then he's gotta get her and put her back in the grave. 657 00:34:52,624 --> 00:34:54,825 Like, he just wants her gone. 658 00:34:54,827 --> 00:34:58,295 I did have a sketch done of this situation. 659 00:34:59,431 --> 00:35:00,430 This should be interesting. 660 00:35:06,505 --> 00:35:08,305 [shudders] This is creepy. 661 00:35:16,081 --> 00:35:18,648 Michaela, that's your new space in the house, isn't it? 662 00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:21,084 Oh, no. 663 00:35:21,086 --> 00:35:23,386 [Michaela] Like, that's terrible and terrifying. 664 00:35:23,388 --> 00:35:25,155 Like, that's supposedly happening, like, 665 00:35:25,157 --> 00:35:27,924 where I'm supposed to be living with my child. 666 00:35:27,926 --> 00:35:29,726 [Amy] And the basement, like, 667 00:35:29,728 --> 00:35:31,495 that's his place. 668 00:35:31,497 --> 00:35:34,564 He doesn't want any of the living down there. 669 00:35:34,566 --> 00:35:38,001 So, does this killer do anything to interact with these guys? 670 00:35:38,003 --> 00:35:42,038 I did get that he, on occasion, will watch the females, 671 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,941 uh, bathing or showering. 672 00:35:45,110 --> 00:35:47,010 That was the two spots, actually. 673 00:35:47,012 --> 00:35:49,746 It was the basement and the shower 674 00:35:49,748 --> 00:35:51,948 where I constantly felt watched. 675 00:35:52,985 --> 00:35:56,753 I saw that he, at one point, got into a rage, 676 00:35:56,755 --> 00:36:00,390 and it literally felt like the house shook. 677 00:36:00,392 --> 00:36:02,192 Like, it was like this... [rattling] 678 00:36:03,162 --> 00:36:04,828 [Steve] Brooke, have you heard anything like that? 679 00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:06,396 [Brooke] Yes. 680 00:36:06,398 --> 00:36:09,733 Very obnoxious banging for about 20 to 30 minutes. 681 00:36:09,735 --> 00:36:11,101 What? That long? 682 00:36:11,103 --> 00:36:13,136 -Yeah. -[Amy] Holy smokes! 683 00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:15,872 He is pretty active 684 00:36:15,874 --> 00:36:17,941 in one of the bedrooms, 685 00:36:17,943 --> 00:36:20,610 uh, which is the one directly across from here. 686 00:36:20,612 --> 00:36:22,679 -[Steve] So, that's Kingston's room? -[Brooke] Yes. 687 00:36:22,681 --> 00:36:24,881 [Amy] I did think it was a boy. 688 00:36:24,883 --> 00:36:28,618 I got that he was, like, excited for us to be here 689 00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:31,655 because he is tired and scared 690 00:36:31,657 --> 00:36:35,792 of all of these experiences that he has had, 691 00:36:35,794 --> 00:36:39,462 and he felt like he wasn't being taken seriously, 692 00:36:39,464 --> 00:36:41,198 and that frustrated him. 693 00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:45,068 Wow, Kingston. I'm a little blown away by that. 694 00:36:45,604 --> 00:36:47,070 So, Amy, here's what you need to know. 695 00:36:47,072 --> 00:36:49,906 Kingston was having problems at school, 696 00:36:49,908 --> 00:36:53,376 um, and he told his teachers that he was seeing three different dead children 697 00:36:53,812 --> 00:36:54,877 here at the house. 698 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,015 He told them two were nice and one not so much. 699 00:36:59,017 --> 00:37:01,618 The reason we're here is because those teachers called Brooke 700 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:04,354 and told her to have us come in and investigate. 701 00:37:05,157 --> 00:37:07,757 I was upset because he never told me. 702 00:37:07,759 --> 00:37:08,825 He never opened up, 703 00:37:08,827 --> 00:37:10,393 and when I asked him, he said, 704 00:37:10,963 --> 00:37:13,230 "I wanted to protect you." 705 00:37:13,232 --> 00:37:15,932 Who are these kids that he might be talking to? 706 00:37:15,934 --> 00:37:20,437 He might be, uh, perceiving the older couple as the two friendly children. 707 00:37:20,439 --> 00:37:21,771 Okay. 708 00:37:21,773 --> 00:37:25,942 And, maybe perceiving the other kid who's bad is the killer. 709 00:37:28,046 --> 00:37:30,614 I interviewed him and he seems to be holding back something else. 710 00:37:30,616 --> 00:37:33,083 [stammers] He's not telling me everything. 711 00:37:33,085 --> 00:37:37,120 Everything that's going on here is about keeping your mouth shut. 712 00:37:37,889 --> 00:37:39,756 That's the killer's MO. 713 00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:41,791 That's what he's doing to this woman. 714 00:37:41,793 --> 00:37:43,293 I mean, that's, like, 715 00:37:43,895 --> 00:37:45,395 the whole thing here 716 00:37:45,397 --> 00:37:47,063 is keep your mouth shut, 717 00:37:47,065 --> 00:37:52,636 and I think the killer has targeted him 718 00:37:52,638 --> 00:37:57,574 because he has medium abilities. 719 00:37:57,576 --> 00:38:00,810 I think the killer feels a threat that he could get him out of here. 720 00:38:00,812 --> 00:38:03,480 He could push him out and expose his secret. 721 00:38:03,482 --> 00:38:07,050 There was one situation. it was really dark. 722 00:38:07,052 --> 00:38:10,253 He was hearing footsteps coming down the hallway... 723 00:38:11,556 --> 00:38:13,089 ...and then the doors opening, 724 00:38:13,091 --> 00:38:16,126 and then there's, like, this black mist 725 00:38:17,029 --> 00:38:18,328 kinda rolling into the room. 726 00:38:24,703 --> 00:38:27,504 The feeling was just rage and aggression 727 00:38:27,506 --> 00:38:29,939 and very threatening, 728 00:38:29,941 --> 00:38:35,011 so it seems like he definitely is getting off on torturing him as well. 729 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,982 This poor kid is going through hell. 730 00:38:38,984 --> 00:38:43,086 What kind of mother am I to bring my daughter somewhere where I know is not safe? 731 00:38:43,088 --> 00:38:44,254 I... 732 00:38:45,891 --> 00:38:47,123 I'm sorry. 733 00:39:03,442 --> 00:39:04,607 [Steve] So, Brooke, 734 00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:06,976 you know why Kingston's been having all these issues, 735 00:39:06,978 --> 00:39:07,944 and Michaela, 736 00:39:07,946 --> 00:39:09,512 you know why the basement freaks you out, 737 00:39:09,514 --> 00:39:11,648 so it's time to answer the big question: 738 00:39:11,650 --> 00:39:13,850 Is there anything you guys can do about this, 739 00:39:13,852 --> 00:39:15,852 and if so, what's it gonna take? 740 00:39:15,854 --> 00:39:18,154 Uh, for that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 741 00:39:21,093 --> 00:39:23,760 [Amy] What I would like to see happen 742 00:39:23,762 --> 00:39:26,429 is for a male medium 743 00:39:26,431 --> 00:39:28,631 who is a practicing Catholic, 744 00:39:28,633 --> 00:39:30,834 they'll come here 745 00:39:30,836 --> 00:39:34,070 and they will engage with the killer 746 00:39:34,139 --> 00:39:36,005 and move him on. 747 00:39:36,408 --> 00:39:37,607 Once he is gone, 748 00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:40,110 I feel that the female 749 00:39:40,112 --> 00:39:45,215 will be able to finally see clearly her way out. 750 00:39:45,851 --> 00:39:46,850 Once that's done, 751 00:39:46,852 --> 00:39:50,687 the older couple will leave. 752 00:39:50,689 --> 00:39:53,823 So, once they get rid of this-- The killer, right? 753 00:39:53,825 --> 00:39:56,192 Michaela can move in, or does she need to wait a while? 754 00:39:56,194 --> 00:39:59,028 Yeah, no. She can totally move in, yeah. 755 00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:00,430 He'll be gone, 756 00:40:00,432 --> 00:40:01,765 the lady'll be gone, 757 00:40:01,767 --> 00:40:04,334 everybody'll be gone. 758 00:40:04,336 --> 00:40:05,902 -How do you feel about that? -Relief. 759 00:40:05,904 --> 00:40:08,204 [laughs] It's sorta like... [exhales] 760 00:40:09,608 --> 00:40:12,275 -I'm happy about this. -[Steve] Me, too. 761 00:40:12,277 --> 00:40:15,311 We are also dealing with abilities here, 762 00:40:15,313 --> 00:40:18,481 and functioning, and I am concerned about your health. 763 00:40:18,483 --> 00:40:23,853 It would be really great if you could see a Reiki practitioner. 764 00:40:23,855 --> 00:40:28,358 You have a lot of stuff that needs to get out of your body, 765 00:40:28,927 --> 00:40:31,628 and then, with Kingston, 766 00:40:31,630 --> 00:40:35,799 we need to create a lot of safe spaces for him. 767 00:40:35,801 --> 00:40:39,736 So, what I would like is for him to see a child therapist, 768 00:40:39,738 --> 00:40:42,405 uh, who's open to this. 769 00:40:42,407 --> 00:40:45,008 I know Kingston was your number one concern. 770 00:40:45,010 --> 00:40:47,110 The behavior was not him. 771 00:40:47,112 --> 00:40:48,912 I felt like something was-- 772 00:40:48,914 --> 00:40:50,146 There's more to it. 773 00:40:50,148 --> 00:40:51,414 But now you know why. 774 00:40:51,416 --> 00:40:52,382 Now I know why. 775 00:40:52,384 --> 00:40:54,184 -But you feel relieved about that? -I do. 776 00:40:55,587 --> 00:40:56,886 -I do. -[Steve] Yeah. 777 00:40:56,888 --> 00:40:58,054 You're gonna do what she says, right? 778 00:40:58,056 --> 00:40:59,856 Of-- 100%. 779 00:40:59,858 --> 00:41:01,191 -Are you kidding me? -Yes. 780 00:41:01,193 --> 00:41:02,392 You look much better. 781 00:41:02,961 --> 00:41:03,893 Yeah. 782 00:41:03,895 --> 00:41:06,830 This is huge for us and our family. 783 00:41:06,832 --> 00:41:10,099 I appreciate you guys more than I could ever express. 784 00:41:10,402 --> 00:41:11,468 Seriously. 785 00:41:13,972 --> 00:41:15,805 [Amy] I really hope Brooke contacts a medium 786 00:41:15,807 --> 00:41:19,709 to remove the killer and the other dead trapped inside her home. 787 00:41:19,711 --> 00:41:22,479 If she does that and finds a therapist for Kingston 788 00:41:22,481 --> 00:41:25,782 as well as a Reiki master for herself, 789 00:41:25,784 --> 00:41:29,419 I believe this family will find the peace and happiness they deserve. 790 00:41:35,427 --> 00:41:37,026 We took your advice. 791 00:41:37,762 --> 00:41:42,031 Um, we did everything that you had put together for us that would help us, 792 00:41:42,033 --> 00:41:43,399 and it worked. 793 00:41:43,401 --> 00:41:44,968 As you can see now, 794 00:41:44,970 --> 00:41:47,904 my beautiful daughter is finally moving down to the basement, 795 00:41:47,906 --> 00:41:50,840 and we have been renovating it. 796 00:41:50,842 --> 00:41:51,741 Yeah, I couldn't appreciate you more. 797 00:41:51,743 --> 00:41:54,911 I feel 100% comfortable down here, 798 00:41:54,913 --> 00:41:56,379 and it's definitely because of your guys' help. 799 00:41:57,315 --> 00:41:59,215 -Thank you, guys! -Thank you!