1 00:00:10,044 --> 00:00:12,211 [Amy] He looked half burned 2 00:00:12,813 --> 00:00:15,280 and like half decomposed. 3 00:00:15,816 --> 00:00:17,082 This is very bad. 4 00:00:17,084 --> 00:00:18,951 Like I think I am dying. 5 00:00:18,953 --> 00:00:20,452 My marriage is in trouble. 6 00:00:20,454 --> 00:00:21,787 He's always angry, 7 00:00:21,789 --> 00:00:22,955 it seems when he's here. 8 00:00:22,957 --> 00:00:24,323 Do you love your wife? 9 00:00:24,325 --> 00:00:27,693 I feel like something here is working against us. 10 00:00:27,695 --> 00:00:30,429 Uh-oh! I think I'm really, really hurt. 11 00:00:32,833 --> 00:00:34,066 [Julio] Like I just wanna walk away 12 00:00:34,068 --> 00:00:36,969 and just don't look back. 13 00:00:36,971 --> 00:00:39,271 It's not a good situation. 14 00:00:42,810 --> 00:00:44,977 [Amy] He wants everyone to just leave. 15 00:00:44,979 --> 00:00:46,478 He wants to be left alone. 16 00:00:49,183 --> 00:00:50,983 He wants the person dead. 17 00:00:50,985 --> 00:00:52,451 My name is Amy Allan. 18 00:00:53,220 --> 00:00:54,453 I see dead people. 19 00:00:54,455 --> 00:00:56,955 I saw a winged creature. 20 00:00:57,324 --> 00:00:59,124 I speak to dead people 21 00:00:59,126 --> 00:01:01,460 and they speak to me. 22 00:01:01,462 --> 00:01:03,662 This person feels like a monster. 23 00:01:03,664 --> 00:01:06,832 There's only one way to know if my findings are real. 24 00:01:06,834 --> 00:01:10,235 They're sucking the life out of these people. 25 00:01:10,838 --> 00:01:11,904 I rely on my partner. 26 00:01:11,906 --> 00:01:13,705 I'm Steve DiSchiavi. 27 00:01:13,707 --> 00:01:15,741 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 28 00:01:15,743 --> 00:01:17,176 So how many bodies are we talking? 29 00:01:17,178 --> 00:01:18,343 And I know every person, 30 00:01:18,946 --> 00:01:20,045 every house 31 00:01:20,114 --> 00:01:21,113 has secrets. 32 00:01:21,115 --> 00:01:22,781 It's my job to reveal them. 33 00:01:22,783 --> 00:01:24,850 But Steve and I, we never speak. 34 00:01:24,852 --> 00:01:26,785 We never communicate during an investigation. 35 00:01:26,787 --> 00:01:28,454 Until the very end. 36 00:01:28,456 --> 00:01:30,089 Ooh, you're not gonna like this. 37 00:01:30,091 --> 00:01:32,191 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay. 38 00:01:32,193 --> 00:01:34,393 I'm sorry. I think I need to take a break. 39 00:01:34,829 --> 00:01:36,295 Or time to get out. 40 00:01:36,297 --> 00:01:39,164 It wants inside the house because it wants to kill you. 41 00:01:51,579 --> 00:01:54,680 [Steve] I'm here in the coastal city of Bluffton, South Carolina. 42 00:01:54,682 --> 00:01:56,849 It's a couple of hours South of Charleston. 43 00:01:56,851 --> 00:01:59,651 I got a call from a small business owner named Michelle 44 00:01:59,653 --> 00:02:01,787 and she sounded a little upset. 45 00:02:01,789 --> 00:02:03,922 Tells me whatever is going on inside her restaurant 46 00:02:03,924 --> 00:02:04,823 is destroying her health 47 00:02:04,825 --> 00:02:06,325 and her marriage. 48 00:02:07,027 --> 00:02:08,994 Desperate. My husband and I, we are desperate. 49 00:02:08,996 --> 00:02:11,063 We have a lot of activity here. 50 00:02:11,065 --> 00:02:14,967 I don't think we're gonna be here very much longer. 51 00:02:14,969 --> 00:02:15,868 [Steve] My heart goes out to Michelle. 52 00:02:15,870 --> 00:02:17,068 And I'm hoping we can help her out, 53 00:02:17,070 --> 00:02:20,105 so she doesn't have to shut down her family business. 54 00:02:28,716 --> 00:02:29,581 [Amy] Oh, boy. 55 00:02:29,583 --> 00:02:32,951 I am very anxious here. 56 00:02:35,689 --> 00:02:38,157 It's like to the point where I'm shaking. 57 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,328 I don't know why but it's making me very upset and anxious. 58 00:02:43,831 --> 00:02:45,230 [sighs] 59 00:02:49,703 --> 00:02:52,804 [Steve] So Michelle, when I drive up and I looked at this place, 60 00:02:52,806 --> 00:02:56,108 I'm like, "Oh, living the dream. She has her own restaurant." 61 00:02:56,110 --> 00:02:57,609 But you sounded pretty desperate on the phone. 62 00:02:57,611 --> 00:02:59,178 [Michelle] I am desperate. 63 00:02:59,180 --> 00:03:01,747 We took this place over about four years ago. 64 00:03:01,749 --> 00:03:02,981 Okay. 65 00:03:03,684 --> 00:03:04,983 We've been really successful here 66 00:03:04,985 --> 00:03:07,986 but it's coming at a huge cost. 67 00:03:07,988 --> 00:03:09,855 My marriage is in trouble. 68 00:03:09,857 --> 00:03:12,191 The only explanation could be paranormal. 69 00:03:12,193 --> 00:03:13,992 Can you do me a favor 70 00:03:13,994 --> 00:03:15,827 and just give me a list of what's going on here? 71 00:03:15,829 --> 00:03:17,229 We hear voices. 72 00:03:17,231 --> 00:03:19,464 Mood swings to mood changes. 73 00:03:19,466 --> 00:03:22,100 We see apparitions. 74 00:03:22,102 --> 00:03:25,037 You feel like you're constantly being watched. 75 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:29,007 And my health has deteriorated. 76 00:03:29,009 --> 00:03:31,009 What's going on with your health? 77 00:03:31,645 --> 00:03:36,048 My health has suffered really bad. 78 00:03:37,084 --> 00:03:39,851 I had a heart attack, I had a stroke. 79 00:03:39,853 --> 00:03:43,188 I was recently diagnosed as a type one diabetic. 80 00:03:43,958 --> 00:03:45,290 I have vertigo. 81 00:03:45,693 --> 00:03:48,760 I have all over pain. 82 00:03:48,762 --> 00:03:50,662 So I gotta tell you, Michelle. I can't believe 83 00:03:50,664 --> 00:03:52,164 this help list of issues you have. 84 00:03:52,166 --> 00:03:53,765 Yeah, it's embarrassing. [chuckles] 85 00:03:53,767 --> 00:03:55,567 Well, it's not embarrassing. 86 00:03:55,569 --> 00:03:57,803 I mean, do you think the paranormal is causing this? 87 00:03:57,805 --> 00:03:59,938 It's the only thing that makes sense to me. 88 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:02,074 You said to me that the paranormal here 89 00:04:02,076 --> 00:04:03,809 is trying to wreck your marriage. 90 00:04:03,811 --> 00:04:05,978 I mean, what do you mean by that? 91 00:04:05,980 --> 00:04:08,981 He's always angry, it seems when he's here. 92 00:04:08,983 --> 00:04:11,283 He thinks everyone is out to get him. 93 00:04:11,819 --> 00:04:13,919 Honestly, little paranoid. 94 00:04:13,921 --> 00:04:18,123 Depressed, quiet, withdrawn. 95 00:04:18,125 --> 00:04:20,926 Now what about you? Have you had these mood changes? 96 00:04:20,928 --> 00:04:22,227 I don't get angry. 97 00:04:22,229 --> 00:04:23,562 I get really depressed. 98 00:04:23,564 --> 00:04:24,796 Okay. 99 00:04:24,798 --> 00:04:26,865 I don't feel well when I'm here. I don't wanna be here. 100 00:04:26,867 --> 00:04:28,800 What do you think whatever is here wants? 101 00:04:28,802 --> 00:04:30,702 I just felt like whatever it was 102 00:04:30,704 --> 00:04:32,104 just didn't want us here. 103 00:04:32,106 --> 00:04:35,140 And it was gonna do that just by making him miserable, 104 00:04:35,142 --> 00:04:37,009 until he just left. 105 00:04:37,177 --> 00:04:39,278 Or making me sick enough 106 00:04:41,081 --> 00:04:42,281 till I was dead. 107 00:04:42,816 --> 00:04:43,482 Yeah. 108 00:04:44,218 --> 00:04:46,018 I'm sorry. Here. 109 00:04:46,453 --> 00:04:47,552 Thank you. 110 00:04:49,590 --> 00:04:52,024 Sometimes I feel like it's gonna be okay. 111 00:04:52,026 --> 00:04:55,761 And then sometimes I feel like we just need to leave. 112 00:04:55,763 --> 00:04:57,229 Have you thought about that? 113 00:04:58,032 --> 00:05:00,799 We have but we have put everything we have... 114 00:05:00,801 --> 00:05:03,101 - Right. - into this place. 115 00:05:03,103 --> 00:05:05,137 We don't have really a lot of options. 116 00:05:09,710 --> 00:05:15,147 [Amy] I'm seeing a lot of dead people around me. 117 00:05:16,784 --> 00:05:19,217 Yeah, there's a lot of [bleep] dead here, man. 118 00:05:22,956 --> 00:05:24,990 They're coming like this. 119 00:05:25,893 --> 00:05:28,327 These are some men. 120 00:05:34,868 --> 00:05:37,769 I don't know why there are so many dead here. 121 00:05:37,771 --> 00:05:39,304 I don't know. It's weird. 122 00:05:39,940 --> 00:05:43,075 There are a lot of dead 123 00:05:43,077 --> 00:05:45,877 that are coming and going around here. 124 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:48,146 They want to leave. 125 00:05:48,148 --> 00:05:52,084 They're mainly trying to get help, 126 00:05:52,086 --> 00:05:54,019 trying to get people's attention. 127 00:06:01,895 --> 00:06:03,729 [Steve] What's going on in here? 128 00:06:03,731 --> 00:06:05,397 [Michelle] A lot happens in the bar. 129 00:06:05,833 --> 00:06:08,066 In this area in particular, 130 00:06:08,068 --> 00:06:10,669 you feel like you're always being watched. 131 00:06:10,671 --> 00:06:13,705 Like there's always someone here. 132 00:06:13,707 --> 00:06:15,774 It's a really uncomfortable feeling. 133 00:06:15,776 --> 00:06:17,976 Okay. So while we're sitting here, do you feel this now? 134 00:06:17,978 --> 00:06:19,845 I feel something. 135 00:06:19,847 --> 00:06:22,714 I don't feel the same as if I were alone. 136 00:06:22,716 --> 00:06:25,016 Okay, so anything else? 137 00:06:25,753 --> 00:06:27,652 Sometimes I'll be seated at the end of the bar, 138 00:06:27,654 --> 00:06:29,688 and I'll see a shadow 139 00:06:29,690 --> 00:06:32,958 walk from the kitchen to the door. 140 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:33,892 Obviously, this is the main road out here. 141 00:06:33,894 --> 00:06:35,694 Mmm-hmm. 142 00:06:35,696 --> 00:06:37,596 Couldn't it have been something going by on the road? 143 00:06:37,598 --> 00:06:39,398 No, because it's different. 144 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,834 This clearly looked like a person walking on the other side. 145 00:06:42,836 --> 00:06:45,937 - Do you think you're going a little nutty here? - Sometimes. 146 00:06:49,042 --> 00:06:54,513 [Amy] I see one tall shadow figure to the left. 147 00:06:54,515 --> 00:06:57,883 And then a bunch of little shadow figures. 148 00:06:57,885 --> 00:07:04,623 The two adult size ones, both do seem to be female shaped. 149 00:07:04,625 --> 00:07:07,959 If people were to interact with them or see them, 150 00:07:07,961 --> 00:07:10,862 it would be mostly out here in this area. 151 00:07:10,864 --> 00:07:14,099 And what is it they'd see? 152 00:07:14,101 --> 00:07:18,770 [Amy] They would see shadows, all different heights. 153 00:07:18,772 --> 00:07:22,174 It's making me very upset and anxious. 154 00:07:25,679 --> 00:07:27,946 [Steve] Okay, so anything else? 155 00:07:27,948 --> 00:07:31,016 Every single employee of mine, including myself, 156 00:07:31,018 --> 00:07:33,819 has fallen in this restaurant. 157 00:07:33,821 --> 00:07:35,420 Has everybody fallen in the same place? 158 00:07:35,422 --> 00:07:36,955 Yes, there's two locations. 159 00:07:36,957 --> 00:07:40,659 - One is right here in the bar in this area. - Okay. 160 00:07:40,661 --> 00:07:43,562 And the other place is going from the dining room 161 00:07:43,564 --> 00:07:45,831 into the hallway to the kitchen. 162 00:07:45,833 --> 00:07:48,567 So there's no liquid on the floor or anything like that causing it? 163 00:07:48,569 --> 00:07:50,035 No. In the bar, 164 00:07:50,037 --> 00:07:52,337 two people have actually said they feel like they were pushed. 165 00:07:52,773 --> 00:07:55,106 So did anybody get badly hurt? 166 00:07:55,108 --> 00:07:57,108 The one girl ended up going to the hospital. 167 00:07:57,110 --> 00:07:59,110 She didn't work for a few weeks. 168 00:07:59,213 --> 00:08:00,745 Are you concerned that 169 00:08:00,747 --> 00:08:02,481 since it's now going after employees, 170 00:08:02,483 --> 00:08:03,715 that it may start going after customers? 171 00:08:03,717 --> 00:08:05,517 Absolutely, yeah. 172 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:07,452 So with everything you're telling me, Michelle, 173 00:08:07,454 --> 00:08:10,222 it sounds like you're trying to save the business you love, 174 00:08:10,424 --> 00:08:12,657 the man you love. 175 00:08:12,659 --> 00:08:15,694 But it also sounds like, we may be trying to save your life here 176 00:08:15,696 --> 00:08:17,629 because it sounds like you're in danger. 177 00:08:17,631 --> 00:08:21,032 As the years go on, I feel more and more like that. 178 00:08:23,804 --> 00:08:26,104 [cameraman] Any idea why there are so many dead here? 179 00:08:26,106 --> 00:08:28,106 [Amy] The dead just don't rest here. 180 00:08:28,108 --> 00:08:30,442 They don't move on. 181 00:08:32,379 --> 00:08:33,879 They need assistance. 182 00:08:33,881 --> 00:08:37,616 What kind of affect would all of this traffic have on the living? 183 00:08:37,618 --> 00:08:41,987 I think they would have quite a lot of experiences. 184 00:08:41,989 --> 00:08:44,389 It would be very draining for them, I think. 185 00:08:46,827 --> 00:08:50,795 This is just a weird thing that I have encountered. 186 00:08:50,797 --> 00:08:54,165 It's just inexplicable. It's just bizarre. 187 00:09:17,424 --> 00:09:19,024 [Steve] So Alexandra, I understand you work here? 188 00:09:19,026 --> 00:09:20,025 I do. 189 00:09:20,027 --> 00:09:21,826 - Have you had experiences here? - Yes. 190 00:09:21,828 --> 00:09:23,895 Okay. So let's talk about one of them. 191 00:09:23,897 --> 00:09:26,031 One night I was sitting at the bar with my co-workers, 192 00:09:26,033 --> 00:09:27,232 and I got poked. 193 00:09:27,701 --> 00:09:29,134 You got poked, where? 194 00:09:29,136 --> 00:09:31,503 I got poked in the middle of my shoulder blade. 195 00:09:31,505 --> 00:09:32,971 - Okay, on your back? - Yeah. 196 00:09:32,973 --> 00:09:34,739 Could something might have fallen from the ceiling? 197 00:09:34,741 --> 00:09:36,775 I mean, there's Palmetto bugs. This is the South. 198 00:09:36,777 --> 00:09:38,043 Could anything have hit you? 199 00:09:38,045 --> 00:09:40,979 No, no. This was a poke from the back. 200 00:09:42,015 --> 00:09:42,981 Okay. So anything else? 201 00:09:42,983 --> 00:09:45,083 I see the apparition of two different women. 202 00:09:45,085 --> 00:09:46,952 Do me a favor and tell me about the first one? 203 00:09:46,954 --> 00:09:49,454 She appears to be a showgirl. 204 00:09:49,456 --> 00:09:50,889 Something you'd see in Vegas like at a show? 205 00:09:50,891 --> 00:09:52,557 Yeah. It reminds me of that. 206 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,326 So, now you said there was a second one? 207 00:09:54,328 --> 00:09:57,929 There's an older woman with a little girl. 208 00:09:57,931 --> 00:09:58,863 Okay. 209 00:09:58,865 --> 00:10:01,099 They're around the 1800 type period. 210 00:10:01,101 --> 00:10:03,602 What do you think the entities that are here want? 211 00:10:03,604 --> 00:10:05,570 I think they wanna occupy the space. 212 00:10:05,572 --> 00:10:08,206 And I think they want to take over anybody who's here. 213 00:10:14,781 --> 00:10:19,317 There's a woman and she's wearing this dress. 214 00:10:19,319 --> 00:10:25,323 And it reminds me of like a pageant kind of dress. 215 00:10:25,325 --> 00:10:29,628 I'm seeing another woman, besides the one in the pageant dress. 216 00:10:29,630 --> 00:10:34,065 She's looking very much like a bar girl out of the old West. 217 00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:39,671 The woman in the pageant looking dress, 218 00:10:39,673 --> 00:10:41,906 very much tried to be seen. 219 00:10:41,908 --> 00:10:44,843 She says that she's knocking a lot. 220 00:10:44,845 --> 00:10:49,748 So I'm assuming she's knocking on the bar. 221 00:10:49,750 --> 00:10:53,451 The other thing is like, I think there's a living female 222 00:10:53,453 --> 00:10:55,220 who's seeing this dead woman. 223 00:10:58,792 --> 00:11:00,258 I think she freaked out. 224 00:11:03,130 --> 00:11:05,897 This other woman, 225 00:11:05,899 --> 00:11:08,066 who I think was a prostitute, 226 00:11:08,602 --> 00:11:11,002 she does stuff in the bathroom. 227 00:11:11,004 --> 00:11:14,906 I think she chooses the bathroom to make people... 228 00:11:14,908 --> 00:11:16,975 you know, it's the most uncomfortable, 229 00:11:16,977 --> 00:11:20,412 people are the most vulnerable. Yeah. 230 00:11:28,021 --> 00:11:29,688 [Steve] Julio, it's good to see you. 231 00:11:29,690 --> 00:11:32,023 Congratulations on all the success of the restaurant. 232 00:11:32,025 --> 00:11:33,892 I hear you guys got a bunch of awards. 233 00:11:33,894 --> 00:11:35,060 But it sounds like it came at a price 234 00:11:35,062 --> 00:11:37,696 with all the paranormal stuff going on here. 235 00:11:37,698 --> 00:11:39,764 Yes, we've been having a lot of problems 236 00:11:39,766 --> 00:11:41,766 ever since we get in here. 237 00:11:41,768 --> 00:11:43,468 What's going on? What have you experienced? 238 00:11:43,470 --> 00:11:45,637 I see a lot of shadow figures. 239 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:47,605 Okay. Do me a favor and tell me about them. 240 00:11:47,607 --> 00:11:50,075 - I think it's a family. - Really? 241 00:11:50,077 --> 00:11:53,078 It's a family because all the figures that I've seen, 242 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,112 they look different. 243 00:11:54,114 --> 00:11:56,247 So you've seen a lot of these shadow figures? 244 00:11:57,184 --> 00:11:58,283 Yes, like five or six. 245 00:11:58,585 --> 00:11:59,718 [laughs] 246 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,252 I'm surprised you haven't ran out of here. 247 00:12:01,254 --> 00:12:04,022 - It crossed my mind a few times. - I bet you it has. 248 00:12:04,024 --> 00:12:05,123 What else is going on? 249 00:12:05,125 --> 00:12:06,458 Things disappear. 250 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:10,862 I know that I leave like, meat tenderizer, or a knife, 251 00:12:10,864 --> 00:12:12,764 and I come back and it's not there. 252 00:12:12,766 --> 00:12:15,300 I look everywhere and I don't find it. 253 00:12:15,302 --> 00:12:18,803 And when I stop looking, they just appear. 254 00:12:18,805 --> 00:12:21,906 All right. Now you're sure that it's not some employee messing around with you? 255 00:12:21,908 --> 00:12:23,475 No because I'm by myself. 256 00:12:24,644 --> 00:12:25,844 Anything else? 257 00:12:25,846 --> 00:12:29,948 The plates, they sound like they're wobbling. 258 00:12:29,950 --> 00:12:34,919 Like if somebody was stacking up more plates. 259 00:12:34,921 --> 00:12:36,888 Okay. Show me what it might sound like with the dishes. 260 00:12:36,890 --> 00:12:37,455 Can you do that? 261 00:12:37,457 --> 00:12:38,289 Sure. 262 00:12:40,627 --> 00:12:42,227 [clanking] 263 00:12:42,229 --> 00:12:44,896 -Like that. -All right. So that's annoying. 264 00:12:44,898 --> 00:12:46,898 I know you have a lot of truck traffic out here. 265 00:12:46,900 --> 00:12:48,133 Could the truck traffic, 266 00:12:48,135 --> 00:12:51,069 the weight of the truck make these things rattle? 267 00:12:51,071 --> 00:12:53,104 No, because they are heavy. 268 00:12:57,010 --> 00:12:58,877 [Amy] I encountered a dead male. 269 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:01,613 He's in his death state. 270 00:13:01,615 --> 00:13:05,183 So he's sitting on a wooden rocking chair. 271 00:13:05,185 --> 00:13:10,288 He looked half burned and half decomposed. 272 00:13:11,158 --> 00:13:13,892 He's wearing a vest, 273 00:13:13,894 --> 00:13:16,561 and he's got a hat on. 274 00:13:16,563 --> 00:13:18,897 And I said, "What do you want?" 275 00:13:18,899 --> 00:13:20,565 He said he wants everyone to just leave. 276 00:13:20,567 --> 00:13:23,201 He wants to be left alone. 277 00:13:25,005 --> 00:13:29,007 This seems to be more where the dude in the rocking chair hangs out. 278 00:13:29,009 --> 00:13:34,646 I think he does do things in this area. 279 00:13:34,648 --> 00:13:37,115 Uh, to try to get people out of here. 280 00:13:37,918 --> 00:13:39,717 He says, he's like throwing [bleep]. 281 00:13:39,719 --> 00:13:42,620 He's making extremely loud noises. 282 00:13:42,622 --> 00:13:44,689 You know, to me it almost sounds like, 283 00:13:44,691 --> 00:13:47,058 if you took the pots and the pans, 284 00:13:47,060 --> 00:13:50,595 and you banging them together, you know, like, uh, metal on metal, 285 00:13:50,597 --> 00:13:51,996 you know what I mean, like bang, bang, bang, 286 00:13:51,998 --> 00:13:54,065 - clatter, clatter, clatter. - [utensils clattering] 287 00:13:54,067 --> 00:13:57,435 So that's his thing. That's his situation. 288 00:14:00,740 --> 00:14:01,873 [Steve] Anything else? 289 00:14:01,875 --> 00:14:04,008 I get a lot of mood changes. 290 00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:05,243 Michelle told me about this. 291 00:14:05,245 --> 00:14:07,846 Describe what kind of mood changes we're talking about. 292 00:14:07,848 --> 00:14:10,915 - Just, out of nowhere I get really angry. - Okay. 293 00:14:10,917 --> 00:14:16,621 And I don't know why, but if I'm not angry, I feel dead, like, depressed. 294 00:14:16,623 --> 00:14:18,957 - Okay. - But just when I'm here. 295 00:14:18,959 --> 00:14:22,327 When I talked to Michelle, she actually thinks that your marriage is in danger, 296 00:14:22,329 --> 00:14:24,229 with all this mood stuff going on. 297 00:14:24,231 --> 00:14:28,766 Yes. I've been thinking to leave everything, to leave my wife, 298 00:14:28,768 --> 00:14:32,136 the restaurant, the house, just to walk. 299 00:14:32,138 --> 00:14:34,405 - Do you love your wife? - Yes, I do. 300 00:14:34,407 --> 00:14:37,942 - And you don't wanna leave her? - No. 301 00:14:37,944 --> 00:14:41,079 Do you think whatever is here is putting these thoughts in your head? 302 00:14:41,081 --> 00:14:46,017 Yes. I feel like something here is working against us. 303 00:14:46,019 --> 00:14:48,853 Whatever is in here, it's affecting me, 304 00:14:48,855 --> 00:14:51,256 trying to do something to make us fight and... 305 00:14:58,798 --> 00:15:01,499 [Amy] I just feel really weak. 306 00:15:01,501 --> 00:15:05,270 I feel like I can't control my legs. 307 00:15:05,772 --> 00:15:09,674 This is coming from the guy in the rocking chair. 308 00:15:09,676 --> 00:15:12,877 I don't think that this would be a very comfortable area to be in. 309 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:15,613 Would the living have any experiences with this? 310 00:15:15,615 --> 00:15:18,016 You definitely feel fear. 311 00:15:18,018 --> 00:15:23,321 And an insane amount of fear and anxiety. 312 00:15:35,635 --> 00:15:37,468 [Steve] So, I did some digging, 313 00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:39,737 and it turns out that Michelle and Julio's restaurant 314 00:15:39,739 --> 00:15:42,707 sits right in the middle of an old plantation. 315 00:15:42,709 --> 00:15:44,542 I'm heading over to meet a local author 316 00:15:44,544 --> 00:15:48,079 who says the place ended up literally going up in flames. 317 00:15:54,988 --> 00:15:57,522 So, Dr. Rowland, I appreciate you meeting with me 318 00:15:57,524 --> 00:15:59,090 and helping me out with this case. 319 00:15:59,092 --> 00:16:01,225 So let's get down to it, who owned this plantation 320 00:16:01,227 --> 00:16:03,194 that my client's property is built on? 321 00:16:03,196 --> 00:16:04,829 The Carlton family. 322 00:16:04,831 --> 00:16:09,667 Uh, they acquired it in 1718, after the Indian Wars. 323 00:16:09,669 --> 00:16:15,006 Did this Carlton family live on the plantation and oversee everything? 324 00:16:15,008 --> 00:16:17,642 - What did, how'd it work? - No. They lived in Charleston. 325 00:16:17,644 --> 00:16:22,080 They left the work to the overseer, uh, and slaves. 326 00:16:22,082 --> 00:16:24,549 Maybe 100 slaves on that plantation. 327 00:16:24,551 --> 00:16:26,651 That's a lot of slaves though. 328 00:16:26,653 --> 00:16:29,654 So, what were the living conditions like, if they didn't live there? 329 00:16:29,656 --> 00:16:32,991 Did they have a house for the overseers, you know, how'd it work? 330 00:16:32,993 --> 00:16:36,594 Yes, they would've had a large house for the overseers, 331 00:16:36,596 --> 00:16:40,031 and small cabins on the street for the slaves. 332 00:16:40,033 --> 00:16:42,066 So doctor, you mentioned on the phone to me that 333 00:16:42,068 --> 00:16:45,603 the plantation literally went up in flames. What year did that happen? 334 00:16:45,671 --> 00:16:47,739 1779. 335 00:16:47,741 --> 00:16:51,009 Okay, so do the Carltons still own the property when it went up in fire? 336 00:16:51,011 --> 00:16:53,978 Yeah. It was owned by Louisa Carolina Carlton. 337 00:16:53,980 --> 00:16:56,447 And here is her portrait. 338 00:16:58,385 --> 00:17:00,818 All right, so Doctor, what caused the fire? 339 00:17:00,820 --> 00:17:06,657 The British Army, on their way to Charleston in 1779, burned the houses, 340 00:17:06,659 --> 00:17:10,661 stole the goods, destroyed the crops, and laid waste to the country. 341 00:17:10,663 --> 00:17:14,665 So, Doctor, you mentioned there was almost 100 slaves on this plantation. 342 00:17:14,667 --> 00:17:16,934 What happened to them? Did they die in the fire? 343 00:17:16,936 --> 00:17:18,636 I mean, did they get taken prisoner? 344 00:17:18,638 --> 00:17:21,005 Many would've left with the British Army. 345 00:17:21,007 --> 00:17:25,109 Some of those would've found freedom in Canada and Sierra Leone. 346 00:17:25,111 --> 00:17:27,345 - Okay. - And many died. 347 00:17:27,747 --> 00:17:29,847 Whatever happened to Louisa Carolina? 348 00:17:29,849 --> 00:17:35,386 Louisa Carolina died in 1823 and her son inherited the property, 349 00:17:35,388 --> 00:17:38,990 left mostly destroyed, and he had to sell it off to pay debts. 350 00:17:38,992 --> 00:17:41,793 All that money that the Carlton family had was for nothing. 351 00:17:41,795 --> 00:17:45,063 Pretty much disappeared. Yeah. 352 00:17:47,767 --> 00:17:52,670 [Amy] So I'm just hearing, "Oh, no. There was land, land, and land." 353 00:17:52,672 --> 00:17:58,976 I'm seeing some, not well made places. 354 00:17:58,978 --> 00:18:04,849 Like I'm just seeing wood and tiny wooden structures. 355 00:18:04,851 --> 00:18:06,050 They are very small. 356 00:18:06,052 --> 00:18:10,154 I see like, maybe a handful 357 00:18:10,156 --> 00:18:13,858 of these wooden, uh, structures. 358 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:18,229 Then there's... something else. 359 00:18:18,231 --> 00:18:21,566 I don't know what that is. It's a bigger structure. 360 00:18:21,568 --> 00:18:24,535 I mean, it's better than those, like shacks. 361 00:18:24,537 --> 00:18:31,142 And the, I saw some fire and everybody was scattering. 362 00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:39,450 [Steve] So I just got a call from a journalist I worked with before. 363 00:18:39,452 --> 00:18:44,622 He says, something happened in 1913 that put a target on every Black man in Bluffton. 364 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:47,024 I'm heading back to Michelle and Julio's restaurant 365 00:18:47,026 --> 00:18:49,961 to find out exactly what happened. 366 00:18:56,669 --> 00:18:58,936 So Barry, thanks for meeting with me, I appreciate it. 367 00:18:58,938 --> 00:19:00,771 So before we get to what happened, 368 00:19:00,773 --> 00:19:03,674 what can you tell me about this town during that time period? 369 00:19:03,676 --> 00:19:07,245 Bluffton in 1913. Bluffton, South Carolina, 370 00:19:07,247 --> 00:19:11,082 was about 50 years out of the devastation of the Civil War. 371 00:19:11,084 --> 00:19:13,784 - Okay. - The Black people who lived here were, Gullah Geechee. 372 00:19:13,786 --> 00:19:15,786 They were from west Africa. 373 00:19:15,788 --> 00:19:18,623 They were the descendants of Black slaves. 374 00:19:18,625 --> 00:19:20,491 And they were farmers. 375 00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:22,393 And they made a lot of money doing it. 376 00:19:22,395 --> 00:19:23,928 All right. So this had to piss a lot of people off. 377 00:19:23,930 --> 00:19:27,465 Absolutely. Racial tensions were fairly tough in the area. 378 00:19:27,467 --> 00:19:29,667 Barry, do me a favor and tell me about this unrest. 379 00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:32,970 On June 11th, 1913, a White woman claimed 380 00:19:32,972 --> 00:19:36,174 that a Black man had come into their home, accosted her, 381 00:19:36,176 --> 00:19:37,975 put his hands around her throat. 382 00:19:37,977 --> 00:19:40,745 She was able to escape and run to a neighbor's home, 383 00:19:40,747 --> 00:19:42,747 and gave a description. 384 00:19:42,749 --> 00:19:44,382 What did she describe him as? 385 00:19:44,384 --> 00:19:45,816 She described him as a Black man, 386 00:19:45,818 --> 00:19:49,153 approximately six feet tall, about 30 years old. 387 00:19:49,155 --> 00:19:52,557 All right so, I mean, how did everybody react to what happened? 388 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:54,057 Well, they were up in arms. 389 00:19:54,059 --> 00:19:58,429 Immediately the White citizens from the area started rounding up posses. 390 00:19:58,431 --> 00:20:01,899 Started looking for every Black man in the community as a possible suspect. 391 00:20:01,901 --> 00:20:05,536 All right so, I take it that, they just going around picking up 392 00:20:05,538 --> 00:20:07,038 any Black guy on the street and taking them in. 393 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,907 That's right. And that included a Black constable, 394 00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:11,976 who was here with the detective E.F. Hammond, 395 00:20:11,978 --> 00:20:13,344 from the state police. 396 00:20:13,346 --> 00:20:14,912 They were out looking for these suspects, 397 00:20:14,914 --> 00:20:20,818 and this Black constable was basically arrested by some of these posses, 398 00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:23,988 twice before he said, "I'm out of it. I'm leaving." 399 00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:26,691 So let me get this straight. There's a Black constable 400 00:20:26,693 --> 00:20:28,793 working and trying to figure what's going on. 401 00:20:28,795 --> 00:20:31,062 - And even he became a suspect. - He even became a suspect. 402 00:20:31,064 --> 00:20:33,531 - That's right. - [chuckles softly] Okay. 403 00:20:33,533 --> 00:20:35,800 After the Black constable left town, 404 00:20:35,802 --> 00:20:38,703 Detective Hammond continued searching for a suspect, 405 00:20:38,705 --> 00:20:41,706 and he encountered a Black man name William Jackson. 406 00:20:41,708 --> 00:20:45,042 - Okay. - He attempted to take Mr. Jackson into custody. 407 00:20:45,044 --> 00:20:50,715 Mr. Jackson ran away and Detective Hammond shot him in the back. 408 00:20:50,717 --> 00:20:51,749 Okay, was this our guy? 409 00:20:51,751 --> 00:20:53,985 Uh, absolutely he was not. 410 00:20:53,987 --> 00:20:57,054 Not only was he not the right guy, he was 52 years old. 411 00:20:57,056 --> 00:20:59,757 All right. So this guy is at least 20 years older than the suspect. 412 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:01,091 That's right. 413 00:21:01,093 --> 00:21:03,461 - All right. So they killed this guy for nothing. - Right. 414 00:21:03,463 --> 00:21:04,762 All right. So what ever happened to Hammond, 415 00:21:04,764 --> 00:21:06,497 the guy who shot William Jackson? 416 00:21:06,499 --> 00:21:10,901 His shooting was deemed justified, so nothing happened to him. 417 00:21:10,903 --> 00:21:14,472 All right. So what about this guy who did attack this woman? 418 00:21:14,474 --> 00:21:17,141 - Uh, did they ever find him? - No. 419 00:21:17,143 --> 00:21:19,577 All right. Do we think it was all [bleep], that she made it up? 420 00:21:19,579 --> 00:21:22,213 It's a distinct possibility. 421 00:21:24,884 --> 00:21:29,086 [Amy] So there's one male that's joining me. 422 00:21:29,088 --> 00:21:34,959 He's probably in his early 70s. 423 00:21:34,961 --> 00:21:36,827 He's a Black male. 424 00:21:36,829 --> 00:21:40,765 He's telling me, there was something going on, 425 00:21:40,767 --> 00:21:45,469 uh, one night that was really, uh, not good. 426 00:21:45,471 --> 00:21:50,408 People were freaking out, and, you know, people were running. 427 00:21:53,446 --> 00:21:58,215 This incident was more around the 1920s. 428 00:21:58,217 --> 00:22:02,119 And it killed up to two or three people or something. 429 00:22:03,623 --> 00:22:05,723 He is feeling guilty. 430 00:22:05,725 --> 00:22:11,295 He didn't intend for things to go that way. 431 00:22:13,666 --> 00:22:16,334 He showed me that he was back here. 432 00:22:16,336 --> 00:22:18,035 He feels like he's been seen. 433 00:22:18,037 --> 00:22:24,308 Like is he doing things to people, to try to get them to leave. 434 00:22:33,386 --> 00:22:35,686 For more information about the show, 435 00:22:35,688 --> 00:22:38,923 and if you need us to investigate unexplained activity in your home... 436 00:22:38,925 --> 00:22:42,460 Please visit TravelChannel.com/ TheDeadFiles. 437 00:22:42,462 --> 00:22:43,894 Click on "help me Dead Files" 438 00:22:43,896 --> 00:22:46,364 to submit your story and we'll help if we can. 439 00:22:52,572 --> 00:22:55,206 [Steve] So far, I got a couple who believes that paranormal 440 00:22:55,208 --> 00:22:56,907 is destroying their marriage and their business. 441 00:22:56,909 --> 00:22:59,610 On a property that was once a plantation, 442 00:22:59,612 --> 00:23:01,679 burned down by British soldiers. 443 00:23:01,681 --> 00:23:04,248 But I wanna see if there is anything else. 444 00:23:05,485 --> 00:23:07,418 Searching through the archives, 445 00:23:07,420 --> 00:23:10,721 I come across the brutal murder of a local rock star. 446 00:23:10,723 --> 00:23:13,457 Turns out this guy's death shocked not only the community here, 447 00:23:13,459 --> 00:23:16,460 but music fans around the world. 448 00:23:16,462 --> 00:23:19,797 So I managed to track down the cop who responded to the scene. 449 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:22,566 He promised to give me a first-person account of what happened. 450 00:23:22,568 --> 00:23:26,437 Now he tells me that there are still parts of this case that haunt him till this day. 451 00:23:32,779 --> 00:23:35,112 [Steve] Walter, I appreciate you meeting with me and helping me out. 452 00:23:35,114 --> 00:23:37,848 So I understand the victim in this murder case 453 00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:39,784 was a local celebrity. 454 00:23:39,786 --> 00:23:43,053 Yes, sir. His name was Anthony "Toney" Hooks. 455 00:23:43,055 --> 00:23:45,823 He was a musician, and I got a picture of him. 456 00:23:45,825 --> 00:23:46,791 Right there. 457 00:23:46,793 --> 00:23:48,692 - This right, this is him? - Yes, sir. 458 00:23:48,694 --> 00:23:52,096 I grew up in the 70s, This looks like, Sly and the Family Stone. 459 00:23:52,098 --> 00:23:57,468 - Is that who he played with? - Yes and, George Clinton and the Ohio Players. 460 00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:58,869 This guy played with them? 461 00:23:58,871 --> 00:24:01,572 Yeah, he got around. He was pretty, pretty well known. 462 00:24:01,574 --> 00:24:03,040 I'd say, pretty famous. 463 00:24:03,042 --> 00:24:06,177 Bluffton is pretty small, it's a small town. Did you know Toney? 464 00:24:06,179 --> 00:24:09,613 Toney and I, basically both grew up here. 465 00:24:09,615 --> 00:24:11,048 We were friends. 466 00:24:11,050 --> 00:24:13,217 Okay, let's move on to the murder. When did it happen? 467 00:24:13,219 --> 00:24:14,885 It happened in 1988. 468 00:24:14,887 --> 00:24:17,121 January 31st. 469 00:24:17,123 --> 00:24:19,757 I was working for the Bluffton Police Department. 470 00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:21,425 Okay, so take me through it. What happened? 471 00:24:21,427 --> 00:24:25,095 Okay, it was um, late night, early morning, 472 00:24:25,097 --> 00:24:28,432 I was sitting there with the windows rolled down, beautiful night, 473 00:24:28,434 --> 00:24:30,434 - and heard a gunshot. - You heard the gunshot? 474 00:24:30,436 --> 00:24:33,604 I heard the gunshot. Probably a thousand yards from right here, 475 00:24:33,606 --> 00:24:36,907 and then I saw a set of headlights leaving the scene, you know, the area. 476 00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:39,810 So I immediately turned around the car, 477 00:24:39,812 --> 00:24:42,813 and as we came up to Highway 46, 478 00:24:42,815 --> 00:24:45,115 I attempted a traffic stop. 479 00:24:45,117 --> 00:24:48,452 The car turned and went towards Savannah, Georgia. 480 00:24:48,454 --> 00:24:51,589 I immediately fell in behind him, told my dispatch, 481 00:24:51,591 --> 00:24:54,325 you know, basically, I heard a gunshot and I was trying to stop this car. 482 00:24:54,327 --> 00:24:57,995 - Okay, so you're assuming this guy is the shooter. - Yeah. Yes. 483 00:24:57,997 --> 00:25:00,698 - You try to pull him over, he takes off, you give chase. - He takes off. Yeah. 484 00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:02,566 We continued towards Savannah, 485 00:25:02,568 --> 00:25:07,638 - so the Savannah PD set up a barricade. - Okay. 486 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,709 And when he came through, they got the car stopped and took him out. 487 00:25:11,711 --> 00:25:14,678 And he was arrested by Savannah, Georgia, 488 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,947 and warrants went over from South Carolina. 489 00:25:16,949 --> 00:25:20,885 Okay. So where exactly did the murder take place? 490 00:25:20,887 --> 00:25:22,920 The front porch of this house. 491 00:25:22,922 --> 00:25:25,055 - This house here? - Yes. 492 00:25:25,057 --> 00:25:26,357 Do we know what kind of weapon it was? 493 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:27,725 A shotgun. 494 00:25:27,727 --> 00:25:29,226 Okay. 495 00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:33,964 [Amy] I'm seeing the murdered man in the rocking chair again. 496 00:25:36,235 --> 00:25:40,905 Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Somebody's in front of me. 497 00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:45,543 Totally caught off guard, you know what I mean, was not expecting that at all. 498 00:25:45,545 --> 00:25:49,480 It's dark and I'm, I'm scared. 499 00:25:49,482 --> 00:25:53,017 What the hell was that, like that, I totally felt that. 500 00:25:53,019 --> 00:25:54,618 You have any idea of when that was? 501 00:25:54,620 --> 00:25:56,687 I think this is pretty recent. 502 00:25:56,689 --> 00:25:59,056 I'm thinking like, like I got hit. 503 00:25:59,058 --> 00:26:01,892 I got like punched in the stomach. 504 00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:06,997 And then I'm feeling very bad. 505 00:26:10,670 --> 00:26:12,770 [echoing] Oh, my God. 506 00:26:12,772 --> 00:26:17,074 I think I'm really, really hurt. Really bad. 507 00:26:17,076 --> 00:26:20,010 I feel like the person went that way. 508 00:26:20,012 --> 00:26:22,379 Who did this, it's another male. 509 00:26:22,381 --> 00:26:26,016 This is very bad. Like I think I'm dying. 510 00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:32,623 All right so this is where Toney Hooks lived and where he was murdered. 511 00:26:32,625 --> 00:26:34,725 Yes. 512 00:26:34,727 --> 00:26:37,161 So the guy that killed him, who was he? What the hell was this all about? 513 00:26:37,163 --> 00:26:39,029 The guy's name was Peter Hynes. 514 00:26:39,031 --> 00:26:40,598 Uh, he was from Hilton Head. 515 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,233 And he was a musician over there. 516 00:26:43,235 --> 00:26:46,470 And you mentioned on the phone that something about this case haunted you. 517 00:26:46,472 --> 00:26:47,871 What was that all about? 518 00:26:47,873 --> 00:26:50,474 Nobody knows why. Never found out why. 519 00:26:50,476 --> 00:26:52,776 - We don't have a motive? - No. 520 00:26:52,778 --> 00:26:56,880 - Whether it was maybe jealousy, or-- - Never. Never got an answer. 521 00:26:56,882 --> 00:26:58,782 We could never. All the investigations, 522 00:26:58,784 --> 00:27:00,985 just never came up with anything on that. 523 00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:02,886 So did he do any time? 524 00:27:02,888 --> 00:27:08,092 He was arrested, was tried, um, was found not guilty, reason of insanity. 525 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,193 You're kidding me. 526 00:27:09,195 --> 00:27:11,161 Toney never really got justice. 527 00:27:11,764 --> 00:27:12,830 Wow. 528 00:27:12,832 --> 00:27:13,764 That's so sad to hear. 529 00:27:13,766 --> 00:27:14,765 Still think about it. 530 00:27:14,767 --> 00:27:16,834 There's got to be an answer somewhere. 531 00:27:16,836 --> 00:27:19,236 And I hope someday, I'll get to find out what. 532 00:27:26,045 --> 00:27:28,912 [Amy] During my walk I saw several disturbing things. 533 00:27:28,914 --> 00:27:31,548 But two concerned me the most. 534 00:27:31,550 --> 00:27:34,752 First, the group of dead people heading toward the restaurant. 535 00:27:34,754 --> 00:27:41,458 I saw 10 to 15 people, the majority were men. 536 00:27:41,460 --> 00:27:46,030 And some were, like, kinda following with purpose towards me. 537 00:27:46,032 --> 00:27:48,799 Next, the murdered man in the rocking chair. 538 00:27:48,801 --> 00:27:53,771 The left side of his face is kinda decomposing. 539 00:27:53,773 --> 00:27:56,940 The right side looks burned. 540 00:27:56,942 --> 00:28:02,246 So he had a big deep pot with a long handle 541 00:28:02,248 --> 00:28:05,049 and he was banging that. 542 00:28:07,453 --> 00:28:11,121 Just make sure that his right hand looks burned. 543 00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:17,161 Amy, is that what you saw? 544 00:28:18,798 --> 00:28:20,330 Yes, that's what I saw. 545 00:28:41,487 --> 00:28:44,688 [Steve] Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations 546 00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:47,057 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 547 00:28:47,059 --> 00:28:49,193 and our clients for the first time. 548 00:28:49,695 --> 00:28:52,062 So guys, this is Amy. 549 00:28:52,064 --> 00:28:55,966 She is gonna be doing a reveal in a separate room so she can focus on your case 550 00:28:55,968 --> 00:28:57,801 and the dead, without any distractions. 551 00:28:57,803 --> 00:29:01,105 Amy, meet the owners of this restaurant this is Michelle, Julio. 552 00:29:01,107 --> 00:29:04,708 Now they're a married couple, for now. 553 00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:06,176 Things are so bad that they believe 554 00:29:06,178 --> 00:29:09,613 their marriage and even their lives are in danger. 555 00:29:09,615 --> 00:29:12,716 And even though they've poured their hearts into this place, if you can't help them, 556 00:29:12,718 --> 00:29:15,853 they're ready to close the place down and walk. 557 00:29:15,855 --> 00:29:19,089 So unless Amy has got some questions for you, she'll tell us about her walk. 558 00:29:24,864 --> 00:29:27,798 [Amy] Before I even came inside 559 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,635 there were a lot of dead people 560 00:29:31,637 --> 00:29:33,036 coming towards me. 561 00:29:33,038 --> 00:29:36,106 I kept hearing "land, land, land." 562 00:29:36,108 --> 00:29:41,378 Then I saw a few wooden structures, not well built, 563 00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:45,082 and another structure 564 00:29:45,084 --> 00:29:49,953 that was fairly large and it was better condition than these other little 565 00:29:50,022 --> 00:29:52,022 wooden shack things. 566 00:29:52,024 --> 00:29:55,659 Then I was shown a fire. I just literally saw fire. 567 00:29:55,661 --> 00:29:59,062 I was shown people running. 568 00:29:59,064 --> 00:30:02,766 So Amy you said you kept hearing "land, land," over and over again. 569 00:30:02,768 --> 00:30:03,567 I think I might know why. 570 00:30:03,569 --> 00:30:06,904 Now, the expert I spoke to 571 00:30:06,906 --> 00:30:10,974 said this entire area was part of a huge plantation owned by a woman named 572 00:30:10,976 --> 00:30:14,077 Louisa Carolina Carlton. 573 00:30:14,713 --> 00:30:17,147 This is actually a portrait of her here. 574 00:30:18,083 --> 00:30:22,186 Louisa Carolina was what they call an absentee owner. 575 00:30:22,188 --> 00:30:24,454 The plantation was run by overseers 576 00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:27,457 ho stayed in a large house 577 00:30:27,459 --> 00:30:30,828 and the enslaved people lived in little shacks. 578 00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:33,831 - Now you mentioned you saw fire, right? - Yeah. 579 00:30:33,833 --> 00:30:35,399 So in 1779 580 00:30:35,401 --> 00:30:38,001 during the height of Revolutionary War, 581 00:30:38,003 --> 00:30:40,804 the British came through here on their way to Charleston. 582 00:30:40,806 --> 00:30:44,174 Everything in the area was looted and burned to the ground. 583 00:30:45,344 --> 00:30:49,012 The enslaved people ran off, hoping to find their freedom. 584 00:30:49,014 --> 00:30:51,715 So is it possible this could be what you might be running into? 585 00:30:51,717 --> 00:30:54,952 Yeah, that's very possible. Yeah. 586 00:30:54,954 --> 00:30:56,453 [Steve] What did these dead people want? 587 00:30:56,455 --> 00:30:59,857 Most of them want to leave. But they're stuck. 588 00:30:59,859 --> 00:31:04,027 I did have a sketch done of what I saw. 589 00:31:10,302 --> 00:31:12,369 Christ, this looks like something out of a movie! 590 00:31:15,441 --> 00:31:17,007 Oh my God! 591 00:31:18,978 --> 00:31:24,047 The way it feels, I think I imagined, like, it will be something like that. 592 00:31:25,718 --> 00:31:28,552 So Amy, what would it be like for people 593 00:31:28,554 --> 00:31:31,855 to be always around, like, this many dead people? 594 00:31:31,857 --> 00:31:35,926 Consistent exposure to them could make you sick 595 00:31:35,928 --> 00:31:39,463 and could drain you pretty severely. 596 00:31:39,465 --> 00:31:44,001 So Michelle, when we spoke you told me you are 52 but you feel like you're 82. 597 00:31:44,003 --> 00:31:45,903 Tell Amy what's going on with you. 598 00:31:45,905 --> 00:31:51,174 When we were getting ready to re-open two years ago I had a heart attack. 599 00:31:51,176 --> 00:31:53,076 I was only 50. 600 00:31:53,312 --> 00:31:55,145 And then had a stroke. 601 00:31:56,715 --> 00:32:03,954 That makes sense because that's a lot of dead energy that could drain you. 602 00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:10,394 [Steve] Okay, so what else? 603 00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:15,933 I saw a lot of "shadow... figures." 604 00:32:15,935 --> 00:32:19,536 Two of them were female-shaped. 605 00:32:19,538 --> 00:32:23,974 And the rest were smaller, like, they're children. 606 00:32:23,976 --> 00:32:26,877 So it made me very uneasy and kinda shaky. 607 00:32:26,879 --> 00:32:30,647 And I feel like people would see them. 608 00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:33,951 I would sit at the end of the bar, at the end of the night 609 00:32:33,953 --> 00:32:37,354 and you would see this shadow, I would think it was him. 610 00:32:37,356 --> 00:32:42,025 I've seen this shadow-figure by the door. 611 00:32:42,027 --> 00:32:45,095 Everyday it was like see them a little closer and little closer 612 00:32:45,097 --> 00:32:47,965 until it was like right by me. 613 00:32:47,967 --> 00:32:51,468 So are these the same shadows that are outside or was it different? 614 00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:56,940 There are so many dead people, so it's hard to say. 615 00:32:59,645 --> 00:33:01,044 [Steve] So what else? 616 00:33:02,514 --> 00:33:07,317 The next two people I'm gonna talk about quickly are two females. 617 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:13,991 One woman looks like she's straight out of '80s like pageant-circuit. 618 00:33:13,993 --> 00:33:19,596 I saw her rapping on the bar so, like, making knocking noises of some type. 619 00:33:19,598 --> 00:33:23,633 The second female that I encountered, 620 00:33:23,635 --> 00:33:28,505 she's from a long time ago, like, you know, late 1800s. 621 00:33:28,507 --> 00:33:34,111 She hangs out in the bathrooms, especially the male bathrooms. 622 00:33:34,113 --> 00:33:39,950 She likes to make people feel very uncomfortable. That's her thing. 623 00:33:39,952 --> 00:33:42,185 [Steve] Amy, their employee, Alexandra, 624 00:33:42,187 --> 00:33:44,888 she has actually seen both those apparitions. 625 00:33:44,890 --> 00:33:46,990 Oh, oh. Okay. 626 00:33:46,992 --> 00:33:50,460 She described the one female as like a showgirl 627 00:33:50,462 --> 00:33:51,795 and the other one she said was older. 628 00:33:51,797 --> 00:33:53,830 - So she saw both of them. - [Amy] Okay. 629 00:33:53,832 --> 00:33:56,666 But you mentioned the men's room. 630 00:33:56,668 --> 00:33:59,569 We never talked about that. But have you had experiences back there? 631 00:33:59,571 --> 00:34:04,141 Oh, yeah. It's definitely palpable, like you know something there with you. 632 00:34:04,143 --> 00:34:06,743 - Does that sound like something this woman would do? - Yeah. 633 00:34:06,745 --> 00:34:09,379 Yeah, she's delightful. 634 00:34:14,686 --> 00:34:15,818 [Steve] So what else, Amy? 635 00:34:17,156 --> 00:34:21,024 [Amy] The last person that I'm going to talk about 636 00:34:21,026 --> 00:34:23,860 he's definitely an issue. 637 00:34:23,862 --> 00:34:26,830 When I first encountered him 638 00:34:26,832 --> 00:34:32,469 he showed me, him sitting in an old wooden rocking chair. 639 00:34:32,471 --> 00:34:35,972 I mean probably from the late '70s, early '80s. 640 00:34:36,141 --> 00:34:38,809 I got that he was murdered. 641 00:34:38,811 --> 00:34:41,278 That was extremely unexpected. 642 00:34:41,647 --> 00:34:45,982 I think I'm really, really hurt, really bad. 643 00:34:45,984 --> 00:34:51,621 I feel like the person went that way who did this, it's another male. 644 00:34:51,623 --> 00:34:54,458 This is very bad, like, I think I'm dying. 645 00:34:55,794 --> 00:34:57,627 Now, Bluffton is a small town, right? 646 00:34:57,629 --> 00:34:59,830 Most years they don't even have murders here. 647 00:34:59,832 --> 00:35:02,699 But what you're describing to me sounds a lot like 648 00:35:02,701 --> 00:35:04,968 the homicide I came across in research. 649 00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:09,506 Anthony "Toney" Hooks was a famous guitar player from Bluffton. 650 00:35:09,508 --> 00:35:13,076 This is the guy right here on the bottom. 651 00:35:14,413 --> 00:35:17,114 Now, he played with George Clinton, the Ohio Players, 652 00:35:17,116 --> 00:35:21,485 Sly and the Family Stone, I know who this guy was. I never knew he got murdered. 653 00:35:21,487 --> 00:35:25,689 On January 31st, 1988, Hooks was in his little house, right near here. 654 00:35:25,691 --> 00:35:29,159 So about 11 o'clock at night a local musician named Peter Hynes 655 00:35:29,161 --> 00:35:32,462 showed up at his door. Now Hooks answered and Hynes 656 00:35:32,464 --> 00:35:34,297 just shot him in the chest with a shotgun. 657 00:35:34,967 --> 00:35:35,932 Hynes took off, 658 00:35:35,934 --> 00:35:38,735 and was later arrested and tried 659 00:35:38,737 --> 00:35:41,671 but he was found not guilty by reason of insanity. 660 00:35:41,673 --> 00:35:43,907 - Didn't serve a day in jail. - [Amy] What? 661 00:35:43,909 --> 00:35:47,944 So I talked to the retired cop who actually helped to arrest him that night. 662 00:35:47,946 --> 00:35:50,714 He says the murder still haunts him to this day because 663 00:35:50,716 --> 00:35:52,649 nobody to this day still has a clue why he did it. 664 00:35:52,651 --> 00:35:54,217 - What? - [Steve] Yeah. 665 00:35:54,219 --> 00:35:56,720 Amy, do you think Hooks could be the dead guy who is here? 666 00:35:56,722 --> 00:35:58,321 Yeah, it could be. 667 00:35:59,458 --> 00:36:02,159 You said, you were very concerned about this guy. How come? 668 00:36:02,161 --> 00:36:04,995 He is pretty angry. He does not want anyone here. 669 00:36:04,997 --> 00:36:08,398 And I saw him, like, in the kitchen area. 670 00:36:09,034 --> 00:36:11,568 He is making extremely loud noises. 671 00:36:11,570 --> 00:36:14,437 You know, to me it almost sounds like 672 00:36:14,439 --> 00:36:17,707 if you took the pots and the pans and were banging them together 673 00:36:17,709 --> 00:36:22,145 you know like, bang, bang, bang, clatter, clatter, clatter. So that's his thing. 674 00:36:23,115 --> 00:36:26,316 And that I had it sketch done of what I saw. 675 00:36:34,927 --> 00:36:36,059 Wow! 676 00:36:39,031 --> 00:36:41,731 I feel like somebody was there. 677 00:36:41,733 --> 00:36:46,770 I just didn't expect that it was there, like, all the time. 678 00:36:46,772 --> 00:36:50,774 And that I actually was sharing the space with him. 679 00:36:50,776 --> 00:36:53,843 You mentioned to me about hearing the plates and stuff? 680 00:36:53,845 --> 00:36:55,845 A lot of times I hear the plates moving, 681 00:36:55,847 --> 00:36:59,583 the doors opening and closing. 682 00:36:59,585 --> 00:37:01,551 Tell her about your stuff going missing. 683 00:37:01,553 --> 00:37:07,190 Sometimes my knives disappears and then I look for it, like for an hour 684 00:37:07,192 --> 00:37:12,862 and finally when I give up, you know, like, looking for it, it just appears. 685 00:37:12,864 --> 00:37:15,899 It make me feel like really uncomfortable, and, you know, like, 686 00:37:15,901 --> 00:37:19,436 give me, like, really the creeps. 687 00:37:20,672 --> 00:37:24,074 [Steve] So Amy, this guy is so physical, I'm wondering 688 00:37:24,076 --> 00:37:28,378 if he might be responsible for tripping employees in the hallway by the kitchen. 689 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:32,749 Every single employee that we've had, has tripped, 690 00:37:32,751 --> 00:37:37,887 um, at least once, where they've gone down on the ground. 691 00:37:37,889 --> 00:37:40,724 That's not good at all. 692 00:37:40,726 --> 00:37:43,727 Remember when I said these guys' marriage is in trouble? 693 00:37:43,729 --> 00:37:46,796 Michelle believes Julio has changed, he's become angry. 694 00:37:46,798 --> 00:37:48,832 You're irritated all the time, right? 695 00:37:48,834 --> 00:37:51,568 So I'm wondering if that could be the influence of this dead guy. 696 00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:54,471 Do me a favor, tell Amy how you have changed. 697 00:37:54,473 --> 00:37:58,141 Since we got here, my personality started to change. 698 00:37:58,143 --> 00:38:00,944 I'm turning, like, really anti-social. 699 00:38:00,946 --> 00:38:03,446 Either angry or depressed. 700 00:38:03,448 --> 00:38:06,950 He was angry all the time and he would have these outbursts. 701 00:38:06,952 --> 00:38:11,288 And he would yell and he would say really, you know, not nice things. 702 00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:14,991 [Amy] It's highly likely that 703 00:38:14,993 --> 00:38:18,128 you and this dead guy are meshing with one another. 704 00:38:18,130 --> 00:38:21,264 And you're taking on all of his anger. 705 00:38:23,835 --> 00:38:25,101 [Michelle] It makes sense. 706 00:38:25,671 --> 00:38:28,071 We have no reason to fight. 707 00:38:28,974 --> 00:38:33,710 Like, I just wanna walk away and just don't look back... 708 00:38:33,712 --> 00:38:36,212 It's not a good situation. 709 00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:56,866 So guys, the South has lot of history, you know. 710 00:38:56,868 --> 00:39:00,603 Unfortunately it seems like you guys are still dealing with it. 711 00:39:00,605 --> 00:39:02,138 But now let's answer the big question, 712 00:39:02,140 --> 00:39:04,808 "Can you keep this restaurant open safely 713 00:39:04,810 --> 00:39:07,911 and you guys get back to a happy marriage?" 714 00:39:07,913 --> 00:39:10,980 For that question I'm going to turn it over to Amy. 715 00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:15,618 The first thing that I would recommend, 716 00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:18,922 a medium should come to the restaurant. 717 00:39:18,924 --> 00:39:24,928 This medium should be an attractive female. 718 00:39:24,930 --> 00:39:29,532 Who is also very firm in their approach. 719 00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:34,804 This dead male will respond more favorably 720 00:39:34,806 --> 00:39:39,776 if this is the type of individual that approaches him. 721 00:39:39,778 --> 00:39:42,312 - Is she gonna move this person on? - Yes. 722 00:39:43,482 --> 00:39:45,715 Now, while this is taking place, 723 00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:53,189 Julio should be at the office or location of a Reiki practitioner. 724 00:39:53,191 --> 00:39:59,896 Now what this person will be doing is cutting all chords and ties 725 00:39:59,898 --> 00:40:02,165 with this dead male. 726 00:40:02,801 --> 00:40:04,734 The second day, 727 00:40:04,736 --> 00:40:08,938 a few psychics and mediums should come 728 00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:15,044 and move on all the dead who want to move on. 729 00:40:16,114 --> 00:40:17,480 The third day, 730 00:40:17,482 --> 00:40:21,718 have the Reiki master come to the restaurant. 731 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:25,855 Now what she will do is cleanse the entire restaurant. 732 00:40:25,857 --> 00:40:29,192 And then placing up protective barriers. 733 00:40:29,194 --> 00:40:34,264 And that will keep out all the rest of these dead people. 734 00:40:38,036 --> 00:40:39,035 You look stunned. 735 00:40:39,037 --> 00:40:41,404 It's just a lot of process. 736 00:40:41,406 --> 00:40:43,440 And it's just overwhelming. 737 00:40:43,442 --> 00:40:46,109 The question I always ask is are you gonna take Amy's advice? 738 00:40:47,145 --> 00:40:47,977 -Absolutely -[Julio] Yes. 739 00:40:47,979 --> 00:40:50,847 [Michelle] Yeah... I... Yeah. 740 00:40:50,849 --> 00:40:55,852 Feels like, for the first time in long time, you know, there's hope. 741 00:40:55,854 --> 00:40:56,453 Don't lie to me. 742 00:40:56,455 --> 00:40:57,353 I wouldn't. 743 00:40:57,355 --> 00:40:58,654 Okay. 744 00:40:58,656 --> 00:41:03,827 I'm really happy with everything that we find out today, 745 00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:07,897 and we're definitely going to do everything that Amy suggested. 746 00:41:07,899 --> 00:41:10,366 Okay. She's already snuggling up on you. 747 00:41:10,769 --> 00:41:12,435 He's like, "Oh-no." 748 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,407 First time I seen you two smile since I go here. 749 00:41:18,076 --> 00:41:20,376 - I love you. - I love you too. 750 00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:23,612 So you know, that makes me feel better. 751 00:41:26,218 --> 00:41:31,654 [Amy] I really hope Michelle and Julio contact a medium to remove the murdered man. 752 00:41:31,656 --> 00:41:36,693 As well as all of the other dead who are stuck inside their restaurant. 753 00:41:36,695 --> 00:41:40,897 I believe once they're cleared out and Julio works with the Reiki master, 754 00:41:40,899 --> 00:41:43,333 their relationship and their business 755 00:41:43,335 --> 00:41:46,202 will grow stronger than it was ever before.