[Amy] Something was left for dead,
but then it came back.
They're feeling the anger
that's associated with his thing.
Something has a hold of him. Definitely.
I think it either wants me to harm or maybe even kill someone.
Physically shaking them, trying to wake them up.
There were five murder-suicides very near your client's property.
All she's being driven, uh, by now is revenge and rage.
I knew it was me.
[Amy] I don't like it in here.
Like, this is the worst place.
It wants the person dead.
My name is Amy Allan.
I see dead people.
I saw a winged creature.
I speak to dead people and they speak to me.
This person feels like a monster.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
They are sucking the life out of these people.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve DiSchiavi.
I'm a retired New York City Homicide Detective.
So, how many bodies are we talking about?
And I know every person, every house has secrets.
It's my job to reveal them.
But Steve and I never speak.
We never communicate during an investigation.
Until the very end.
- [gasps] - You're not gonna like this.
When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay.
I'm sorry. I need to take a break.
Or time to get out.
It wants inside the house because it wants to kill you.
[gasps]
[Steve] So, I'm out here in the tiny town of Graham, Washington.
It's just south of Tacoma.
I got an emotional call from a woman named Brandy.
Now, she's convinced whatever's in her house has possessed her fiance.
She told me if Amy and I don't get there soon, it's gonna rip her family apart.
Hopefully, we're not too late.
I don't really feel good about this.
There's a lot of negative energy being sent my way
and, like, blocking...
I just feet blocked.
[Matthew] What's blocking you?
I believe it's a living female...
who doesn't necessarily want me here.
They're more than likely telepathic.
[Steve] So, Brandy, I got to tell you, pulling up to your house,
this is a quaint home you have here.
But it sounds like, when we spoke on the phone,
that you're just at the end of your rope here.
I am.
There's something attacking my family.
I need to find out what it is.
All right. So, Brandy, who exactly lives in the house here?
My son Trevor. He's 29.
- [Steve] Trevor's here in the black? - [Brandy] Yes.
[Brandy] My fiance, Mark.
And myself.
Tell me about the experiences you guys are having.
[Brandy] We experience mood changes.
We see shadow figures.
And now, it's physically violent.
[Steve] Let's start with the mood changes. Who's getting affected?
[Brandy] Mark usually gets the deepest.
It's more of a--
It's so dark. It's like a rage.
You made a bold statement to me and you said, you know, you think he's possessed.
I think he-- Something has a hold of him. Definitely.
He changes. He goes dark.
Like, his eyes change.
He's a different person.
[Steve] And what about Trevor?
[Brandy] He isolates himself.
What about you as far as mood changes?
I get sadness, fits of sadness that come through at me,
- [Steve] Okay. - Extremely powerful.
What do you think the intentions are? Of whatever it is.
It's trying to make us hurt each other.
- Okay. - [Brandy] I really believe that.
I believe that it's taking the energy out of us
and all its leaving is aggression and anger.
- That's kind of, scary. - It's terrifying.
And it's hard to keep the family together
with it being like that.
I am feeling, like, a lot of pain in my stomach.
Living people here are feeling unusual amounts of anger.
And, like, people who are more sensitive get the rock of hatred,
that almost makes you want to vomit.
[Matthew] Does it make them prone to any kind of, action more or anything?
It is a pretty intense anger. Uh...
So it is a possibility that they may act out on it,
depending on the individual.
I'm still trying to figure out where all this anger is coming from.
[Brandy] This is where most of the activity happens for me.
Okay, so, tell me about some of the stuff that's happening.
There's an entity in here that sits on my legs almost every night.
[Steve] So, are you asleep when this happens?
Sometimes. Sometimes I'm awake.
Sometimes I can look down and watch it happen on my legs.
Okay. Anything else?
Well, when I'm asleep something will shove me and wake me up.
- So, it feels like a hand. - Yeah, it does.
Feels like a very strong hand.
All right. So, do me a favor. Show on me, how you're getting shoved.
- All right. So-- - Enough to wake you up.
- Yeah. So, it's a little bit annoying... - Yes.
- [Steve] ...to say the least. - It startles you.
Okay.
[Amy] I'm seeing, like, a little old lady.
She's probably, like, late 70s.
And she's like, "Why are you in my house?"
She's a little confused.
[Matthew] What do you mean?
[Amy] She doesn't know that she's, you know, dead.
She's extremely stressed about it.
She's trying to wake people up.
- [Matthew] So it's the living she's trying to wake up? - Yeah.
[Amy] This is bad.
[Steve] All right. What else?
Several times I've woken up to a huge shadow figure
walking around the side of the bed or hovering over the Mark at night.
So does this have human form?
The top of it is shaped, um, kind of, like the shape of a... a head...
- and shoulders. - Okay.
Actually, Mark asked me to draw for him what I saw
and I have a sketch that I did.
- [Steve] So, this is you and Mark. - [Brandy] Yes.
- [Steve] And this is entity here. - [Brandy] Yes.
[Steve] Who do you think that is?
I think it's evil. I think it's been here for a long time.
- Do you think that's what's taken over him? - [Brandy] I do.
- Okay. - I do. I think it's influencing him
in a horrible way.
I'm afraid to even ask you if there's anything else going on here. But, what else?
I've been waking up with painful scratches.
- Okay. - On my neck, on my arm, my chest.
I have a couple of pictures if you want to see them.
This one here is of the one on my chest.
And that one is on the side of my arm.
- [Steve] Could the cat be jumping up on the bed? - [Brandy] No.
They're definitely not, like, cat scratches.
Are you allergic to anything?
- No. - [Steve] Okay.
You've got a lot going on here. Is there anything else?
I get bad nightmares.
Any that you can remember?
One night, I had a-- It's a flash of Mark
up against the wall
with a gunshot to his head.
This is a dream you're having?
Yeah. They felt like warnings.
- [Brandy] I don't like it. - Right.
I don't want it to hurt my family, I want my family back
- and I want it to stop. - Okay.
Because we worked really hard to get here.
- [Steve] Yeah. - Took a lot of love.
[Amy] This old woman,
like, they're physically feeling her,
uh, shaking them, shaking them.
Trying to wake them up.
She is running around and physically interacting with the living.
Pushing on them, shaking them.
There's a sense of urgency and panic.
I'm getting a lot of very vivid nightmares.
It's a possibility that they might be having
some kind of dream about this elderly woman
or whatever the [bleep] she went through.
Terrible, terrible.
[Steve] So, Mark, I was talking to Brandy today, your fiance,
and she was explaining how the paranormal in the house here
is attacking everybody.
- You agree with that? - Yes, I do, I actually.
Brandy also told me that, um, whatever's here in the house
seems to be attached to you or influencing you.
You agree with that?
Yeah, it's definitely affecting my mood.
I think it either wants me to harm or maybe even kill someone.
[Steve] Okay.
What experiences have you had, though, that you can talk about?
When I'm here, I'm drained of energy.
- Uh, I get confused. - Okay.
[Mark] And I get depressed.
When I'm away from here, I'm great.
All right. So anything else happening?
Yes. Lately, I've been waking up with strange scratches on my body.
Here, to show you.
[Steve] Brandy showed me some pictures of scratches, too.
[Mark] This one was of my leg.
It was on the front of my thigh and I can't explain where it came from.
[Steve] Okay. And what's this one?
[Mark] This one was on my back, on my shoulder.
[Steve] You're not allergic to anything?
No. I get hay fever but--
- [Steve] Nothing that will cause this. - No.
[Mark] No.
What else?
Brandy says that I've been sleepwalking,
which I've never been a sleepwalker.
She says that I have... nightmares to where I'm curled up in a defensive position,
um, yelling out, "No! Get away from me!"
Are you taking any sleeping medications that might cause you to do that?
- No, I don't take any medications at all. - [Steve] Okay.
What are you hoping we can do for you guys?
Hopefully, you can give us some answers on how to fight this thing,
so that we can be happy and live our lives.
So I can have my family.
It's upsetting to you. I can see that.
- Very much so. - [Steve] Yeah.
[sighs heavily]
- [Mark] Sorry. - [Steve] No. Don't be sorry.
[Steve] Listen...
It's more than reasonable for you to be upset about it.
I appreciate it.
If Amy says, you got to get the hell out of here.
Would you go?
If it's going to be what's best for my family, I'll figure something out.
Okay.
[Amy] Big guy, big guy.
Just seeing like, a big guy
drinking alcohol and feeling very angry.
Hmm.
I feel like he's alive.
So I think that the living in here would feel an insane amount of anger
and then nausea.
What is making the living so angry here?
I'm seeing something in the ground coming out?
Somebody's saying "death" and somebody's saying "suicide."
And then, I am seeing a gun.
I don't like it in here. Like, this is the worst place.
[Steve] So, Trevor, I was talking to mom today,
and she was telling me that she feels the paranormal activity in this house
Is so bad that somebody's gonna get hurt.
I mean, do you agree with that at all?
Yes. I feel like it's just been getting worse and worse.
Do me a favor and tell me about some of the experiences that you've had.
So, the first time we came in to see the house,
I had this overwhelming feeling of just being watched.
Okay.
And being compelled to not go into certain areas of the house.
Do you feel that way more in certain spots? Or was it all over?
It's in certain spots.
Which spots are we talking about?
The spare-room.
- This one here, behind me. Okay. - Yeah.
[Trevor] And also, on the outside
there's the the back left corner of the yard.
For some reason I just don't have any want or desire to go over there.
[Steve] Okay. Anything else?
I've also seen a giant black figure staring at me from the spare room here.
- [Steve] Over here? - [Trevor] Yes.
[Trevor] It was about seven or eight feet tall.
Okay. There's any way that shadow could have came from outside?
No way. It was darker than the darkness of night.
Your mom thinks that whatever's in this house is trying to possess Mark.
- [Steve] Do you see that? - I definitely see an influence on him.
[Trevor] He hasn't become violent with us but it's that type of rage.
- [Steve] So, it's scary. - Yes.
[Amy] What the [bleep]?
Something out there back left corner.
What is that? It just felt blocked.
What the [bleep] is going on?
Like, left for dead.
Something in the back left corner like, left for dead.
So, it's dead and then buried but then it came back.
I'm seeing a human form doing that, not an animal.
It feels animal.
I-- I believe it was a person who just, kind of,
is now functioning like an animal.
I think this dead person is causing all of the anger here.
Everybody, I feel on some level
are feeling the anger that's associated with this thing.
Angry. Very, very angry.
[Steve] I made my usual calls when I got to town
and just heard back from a local genealogist.
She tells me a previous owner of Brandy's land dropped dead, right on the property.
She says this guy lived such an interesting life,
I'm definitely going to want to hear about it.
So, Mary, I appreciate you helping me out with this case.
This guy who died on my client's property. Who was he?
His name was Arnold Reuther.
He was born in 1919 in North Dakota.
[Steve] So, on the phone you mentioned that this guy had an interesting story,
what did you find out?
He left home at about age 16.
He went to Seattle in 1943.
And he met a woman there, Frances Manzer.
Whirlwind romance, they married about three months after they met.
This is right in the middle of World War II.
Right. As many men of his generation did,
he joined up World War II just six months after they were married.
He enlisted in the Navy and he worked on a tank landing ship.
Okay. So, he definitely saw action.
Yeah. His ship was stationed in the South Pacific
and I'm sure he saw the horrors of war.
I am seeing some kind of cemetery.
Very strange.
I counted about 15 or 16 headstones
and I was told that they're unmarked graves.
I see a man. He is dressed
in, like, this weird military outfit.
I think the graves has something to do with him.
[Steve] All right. So, Mary, he's in the war.
When does he return to stateside?
He was discharged in 1946 and came back to this area.
When did she buy my client's property?
He and Frances lived in a house
- right next door to your client's property. - Okay.
In '1975, he was looking to expand his land.
He wanted to farm. And so, they brought the property to raise livestock.
So, Mary, I know Arnold died while he was living on my client's property.
What happened?
- In October 1994, Arnold had a massive heart attack. - Oh.
[Mary] And Frances frantically called for an ambulance to come.
But they were late, and by the time he got to the hospital,
he was dead on arrival.
My father died of a massive heart attack.
- I can guarantee he died before he hit the ground. - Right.
What a shame. Especially for Frances to see that.
I think it was really hard, feeling so helpless.
All right. So, Frances is left, now, a widow.
What happened after that?
She stayed on the property for a couple years.
In 1996, she had your client's house built on the property.
-Okay. So, she built my client's house -[Mary] Right.
I don't know whether she lived there or not,
but, either the property was too much
or the memories were too much for her to stay there.
So, she sold the property in 1997.
She moved a few miles away and she died in 2008.
She was 84 years old.
[Steve] Okay. So, 84, she probably died of natural causes.
Do we know if she ever remarried?
- No, she did not. - Okay.
[Amy] I'm seeing that little old lady again.
She's, like, freaking out about like, a truck that's driving up.
There's panic about this truck.
She's saying 1996.
The house, though, looks really, really different through her eyes.
I'm gonna say that she did live here.
But it's really, really different.
[exhales heavily] Her mind is very...
[Steve] I reached out to my old friend, author Jeff Davis.
He tells me he can't explain it,
but there have been a series of murder-suicides
in Brandy and Mark's neighborhood.
He tells me one of them really stands out and might help my investigation.
[Steve] Jeff, I appreciate you helping me out once again.
It's good to see you.
[Jeff] Good to see you too.
All right. So, what'd you find out?
I am sad to say that in a 10-year period from 2009 to 2019,
there were five murder-suicides very near your client's property.
That's a lot.
I mean, I've worked on my fair share of murder-suicides
- but that's in a big city. - Yeah. Yeah. Not expected.
[Steve] You said one case really stood out. Tell me about it.
I've got a case that involves an entire family this time.
Sometime after midnight, March 13th, 2018,
-an Air Force airman named Clinton Field called 911, -Okay.
And he reported that he'd just killed his 33-year-old wife, Samantha,
his four-year-old daughter, Ava, and his two-year-old son, Ashen.
Oh, jeez. Did he say anything else?
Yeah. He almost made an apology.
He thanked the police for their courtesy.
But he also said, "By the time you get here, I'll be dead too."
He hung up the phone and by the time the cops arrived,
he was dead, he shot himself.
All right. That's pretty vicious murder-suicide.
All right. So, do we have any idea why this maniac did this?
According to investigators, it may have had to do with, uh, impending divorce.
Uh, and he may have been suffering from depression as well.
[Steve] You know, murder-suicides happen all the time
but when you involve kids it's sickening.
Hmm.
Like, hearing a [bleep] woman screaming.
Like, oh God, like, she's, like, dying, it's like a moment--
Like, dying.
I am hearing somebody talking about a death.
Somebody mentioning suicide?
This was a suicide.
She was, like, screaming.
What the [bleep] is going on?
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[Steve] So far, I've got a client convinced something in her house
is possessing her fiance
on a property near the site of several different murder-suicides.
But I want to see if there's anything else.
Searching through the archives,
I find something very interesting about an army base,
that's about a mile away from Brandy's house.
Turns out, one of the training fields there has been used as a dumping ground
for dozens of murder victims.
A military base seems like a real strange place
for people to dumping dead bodies.
So I reached out to a local journalist who covered this story.
And he says the location is very remote.
He also says, there's one case in particular, I definitely got to know about.
So, the with spot all the dead bodies, where exactly is it?
[Dunkelberger] It's a training area known as Fort Lewis.
That area is known for being a dumping ground for countless murder victims.
We've got areas like that in New York,
nobody's around, bad guys know it and that's where they dump dead bodies.
You mentioned on the phone, with all those bodies
you found a specific one I'd be interested in.
Um, who's the victim?
The victim was 17-year-old Noreen McNicholas.
[Steve] Okay.
And disappeared in November 5th, 1948.
All right. So, what happens after that?
A month into the investigation,
a boy's dog catches the scent and starts digging around a marshy area.
Hidden underneath the marshy area was Noreen's nude body.
Did the autopsy show how she died?
The coroner report said that she was badly beaten and strangled to death.
Did they like anybody for this homicide?
The case went fairly cold for several years
and then we had another break and that's when it gets weird.
So, how does the other break come about?
It was a strange situation where two enlisted servicemen
took their dates to the same park.
One of the girls was 18-year-old Ella Cooper...
- [Steve] Okay. - who immediately started
ranting and collapsing and yelling, "Noreen, lookout."
Her erratic behavior drew the attention of a police officer.
So, is she having a flashback?
That's the theory.
When she finally calmed down, she admitted to being at the scene of the murder.
[Steve] All right. So what else did she give up?
She confessed that she had gone to the park with Noreen and two men,
and one of them was named Bill Smith
and the other one she only knew as Bob.
Bill Smith and Bob. Okay.
Ella said that Bill Smith got jealous
about Noreen wanting to possibly date Bob or just not him.
So, he ended up killing her.
All right. So, why did it take this girl three years to give up what happened?
Ella told police that Bill Smith threatened to kill her
if she ever talked about anything.
And so she trained herself to simply forget that it ever happened.
That, all those emotions came back
when she visited the same park where Noreen died.
It took two trials but he was sentenced to life in prison.
Okay. What about this guy Bob? He's obviously an accomplice.
[Dunkelberger] Ella gave a description of Bob to the police.
- [Steve] Okay. - [Dunkelberger] There were 150 leads,
but they never found Bob.
Well, at least in this case the body was found and there was closure to it.
I can only imagine how many bodies are out there that have no closure.
I'm seeing that dead person who's causing all of the anger here.
It is a female,
who was crawling on her hands and knees,
kind of, crawling towards me
and she was in a very decomposed state.
I could see, as well, longer straight brown hair,
and I believe that she's relatively young.
I hear 150. I don't know what that means, though.
I keep hearing like, "Bobby."
I would assume that it has something to do with being buried alive.
Now that she's dead, she's morphing into this animal
and it's just full of rage.
So I'm thinking as far as, whatever this is,
was not happy about being buried there
and seeking revenge.
I think that that's the only thing, uh, that this thing feels or thinks.
There's no, like, higher thinking processes going on anymore.
It's just an-- Like, this drive, an animalistic drive
which is just anger-motivated.
I saw a lot of disturbing things on my walk,
but two concerned me the most.
First, the animal-like dead girl crawling out of the shallow grave.
I want to show like, her front part as thin.
So, slight built, naked, dirty.
Her hair, it's wet and kind of, mucked up with mud.
Next, I described a scene where the old dead woman is waking up a living person.
I want it, so that, the person's in the bed and she's holding their arm.
What she does, is shake them awake that way.
So, she has barrettes in her hair.
Amy, is this what you saw?
Yes, that's what I saw.
[Steve] Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,
we're ready to reveal our findings to each other
and our clients for the first time.
So guys, I want you to meet Amy.
She's going to be doing the reveal from another room
so she can concentrate on your case
and the dead without any distractions.
Amy, meet Brandy and her fiance, Mark.
They live in the home with their son, Trevor
and this is him right here who's, uh, 29-years-old.
Obviously, we're not there in the home, we're in a local library,
uh, we'll get into why later.
But, you should know that whatever's in the house is ripping this family apart.
And, if we can't find a solution,
you guys really don't think you're gonna make it. Do you?
Yeah.
So, that being said, Amy may have some questions for you,
if not, she'll tell us about her walk.
[Amy] When I first arrived,
I absolutely felt a lot of negative energy.
I initially felt blocked by a living person, who's a telepath.
That would be you.
After that, I go into the house,
and when I walked into the kitchen,
I encountered an elderly woman.
I also encountered her in the back bedroom to the right.
That's Trevor's room.
And then in the main bedroom.
I saw her kind of, running around.
She was in both rooms trying to shake you guys awake,
I was getting that there were consistent nightmares,
uh, being had.
This explained so much.
Brandy tells me that I will actually physically get out of bed,
and then come back and get in bed,
and I have no recollection of it.
Brandy, you keep getting woken up at night, though, right?
- [Brandy] Yeah. Many times. - Yeah.
I know sometimes when I wake up well a lot of the times when I wake up,
there's a dark 10-foot tall, shadow person,
uh, hovering over him
in his bed.
I asked Brandy to sketch for me one night, what she sees.
I have it right here, Amy. This is the sketch that Brandy did.
[Amy] Whoa!
I did have a sketch,
uh, of what I saw this old lady doing.
It's an old lady but you might not want to see the sketch.
Wow!
That's crazy.
That's my side of the bed.
That's what your arms do when you're sleeping.
You're fighting something off when you're sleeping.
Brandy tells me that I'm in a defensive position,
like, I'm trying to push somebody away.
[Brandy] He's terrified.
- You've been shoved in bed, right? - [Brandy] Oh yeah.
Tell Amy what was going on with that.
It shoves my... my right shoulder.
Like, "Hey!" Pretty hard. And it rocks me awake.
[Steve] Brandy's also been scratched.
I actually got photos. This is Brandy's scratches.
[Brandy] On my arm there, that was a--
Almost, like a bruise from the inside out, like a poke.
And Mark, you had scratches on your leg and shoulder, right?
- Yes. - [Steve] These are Mark's scratches, as well.
Are these scratches coming from the old woman?
Or you think it's something else?
I think it's something else.
Anything at all about who this woman was when she was alive?
I would put her, like, probably in her late 70s,
she kept talking about the year 1996,
and I felt like she used to live there,
but the house looks very different through her eyes.
She's freaking out, but there was a specific incident
involving a truck pulling up
that she's extremely, uh, upset about,
and it's why she keeps trying to wake everyone up.
In 1996, an elderly woman did live on your property.
Her name was Frances Ruther.
And in 1975, she bought the land with her husband Arnold.
They lived in the house right next to you,
and they used your property for farmland.
Now, they lived there together for about 25 years.
And, in 1994, Arnold suffered a massive heart attack.
Frances called for the ambulance.
She was watching it all happen
and by the time they came and brought him to the hospital,
they announced him D.O.A. at the hospital.
He was probably dead at the house.
Now, you said 1996.
- Hmm. - [Steve] That happens to be the same year
Frances had a new home built on the property.
And that's the house you guys live in.
Oh.
Now, we're not really sure if she actually lived in that house or not,
either way, it seems it was hard on her to stay there,
and she sold the property.
She moved out of town and died in 2008.
She was 84 when she died.
So is it possible Frances could be the woman that's bothering them?
I would say so.
[Steve] What else did you see?
[Amy] So, one of the things I noticed was that there is a lot of anger.
When I walked into the garage it got worse.
I felt the energy of a living male.
Just seeing like, a big guy,
drinking alcohol
and feeling very angry.
Then, I was hearing somebody talking about death
and somebody talking about suicide.
And I saw a gun.
Now's the time to tell you why we're in this library.
Whenever Mark's in the house he goes into rages,
and he's not himself.
[sighs heavily]
Actually, these guys were afraid if we did this in the house, um,
you won't be able to handle whatever you--
Whatever news you gave him.
Matter of fact, Brandy actually thinks he's possessed.
He's started changing. Really changing.
And his eyes get darker and he's just not Mark.
I have to stay away from him.
Whenever I'm at home, I'm on edge, I'm agitated all the time.
It's affecting your marriage.
Yes. Absolutely.
I found something very odd in your area.
Amy, you mentioned suicide and gun.
I found there was five brutal murder-suicides within a ten-year period.
When you got five separate ones in a ten-year period
in an area where hardly anybody lives,
that's a lot.
How far out did you go?
But they were all within a couple of miles of the house.
- [Amy] Really? - Yeah.
Oh, boy.
[Amy] Now, where is this anger coming from? All right.
When I went out back and to the left,
I encountered what I initially thought was an animal,
uh, but I'm like, "Oh, it's not."
It's actually a deceased female.
What I got was that she had been buried,
I think alive and left for dead.
She has become animalistic in nature
because all she's being driven by now is revenge and rage.
I really couldn't get, like, when she died,
I would say 1940 until now.
I got the name Bobby.
And I also heard the number 150.
As far as, this dead woman you saw, uh, you said 1940s and 150.
Now, I came across a pretty tragic story during my research.
But, before I get to that, Amy, you should know a couple of miles behind the house,
is a military base called Fort Lewis.
The base has a wooded area that's become a dumping ground for murder victims.
Nearly a hundred bodies have been recovered from there over the years.
One of them was a 17-year-old girl named Noreen McNicholas.
In November of 1948, she left home to go to school and vanished.
Her body, that was badly decomposed,
was found in a swampy shallow grave.
Autopsy showed that she had been badly beaten and strangled to death.
The case went cold for a few years.
At that time two enlisted men took their dates to the area where Noreen's body was found.
And this is where it gets a little strange.
One of the girls, an 18-year-old named Ella Cooper
started panicking and screamed out, "Noreen, lookout."
Huh?
Luckily, there was a cop nearby and heard that and went over to investigate.
Turns out Ella was with Noreen the day she was murdered.
She said that she and Noreen went to the park with two men.
So, one of the guy's name was Bill Smith and the other guy she only knew was Bob.
Apparently Noreen wasn't interested in Bill.
So he killed her in a jealous rage.
Detectives tracked him down and he was convicted
and sentenced to life in prison.
Now, Ella ended up giving a description of this guy Bob.
It's a big coincidence, but the journalist I spoke to
said the cops got a 150 leads on this guy
but not one of them worked out.
I had a sketch done of how she's now projecting herself.
It's pretty macabre. Uff.
Weird.
Half dog, half human.
That's pretty creepy.
[Amy] You have to understand, she is full of rage.
She's responsible for a lot of the physical attacks in the house
and that's where the anger's coming from, it's from her.
But she's really mad at men,
and I'm worried about what she can do to you.
That could become a very volatile situation
where Mark may harm himself or harm others.
Something's got to be done. I can't... I can't do that.
No. I can't.
I knew it. I knew it was me.
So, now we know what's been attacking both you guys and keeping you up at night.
Mark, now we know what's causing you to fly off the handle.
But, the big question is can you fight back, kick all of that out
and go on living a good normal life?
For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
I don't think that it's particularly safe
for you guys to continue living in that environment.
And the feeling that I got is that
that's going to get progressively worse.
So, my suggestion would be for you guys to relocate.
It's heartbreaking to know that there's just no way I can salvage this.
[Steve] Believe me, Amy doesn't want to tell anybody to leave their home.
But it sounds like if you stay there's going to be a problem.
And it would be really awesome if you could have a medium
come and help the little lady move on.
Yeah.
That would be awesome.
As far as that dead girl goes, I mean...
[Amy] I'm taking her home.
I'm going to collect her and help her move on.
Okay. So, I know the house means a lot to you guys,
but are you gonna leave it behind and get a fresh start some place else?
Oh, absolutely.
- [Steve] Okay. - [Mark] Absolutely.
- Absolutely. - [Mark] It's--
It's just a house.
Will they start feeling better like, right away when they move?
- Or is it gonna take a little bit of time? - [Amy] Oh, yeah.
Hmm. Yeah. When they move. Yeah.
You got to be relieved to know
- that he'll be himself once again. - [Brandy] Yes.
- [Steve] At some point. - [Brandy] Yes.
Family's going to come together. [laughs]
[Steve] It's the first time I've seen you two smile since I met you.
[Brandy laughing]
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
[Amy] I feel really bad for Brandy and Mark.
But in a situation as dangerous as this,
I think it's best they leave their home.
Hopefully, they take my advice,
find a medium to move the old lady on,
and get a fresh start somewhere new.
We did have a medium come out...
Who helped move Frances on.
He also helped me with my chakras.
The anger isn't nearly as prevalent like it was before.
And we're looking into the housing market and keeping up on that.
So that we can hopefully find a new home.
So, we just wanted to say thank you very much for coming out.
Thank you very much.
You guys are wonderful.