1 00:00:09,976 --> 00:00:12,811 [Amy] Something was left for dead, 2 00:00:12,813 --> 00:00:14,847 but then it came back. 3 00:00:14,849 --> 00:00:16,815 They're feeling the anger 4 00:00:16,817 --> 00:00:19,451 that's associated with his thing. 5 00:00:19,453 --> 00:00:21,854 Something has a hold of him. Definitely. 6 00:00:21,856 --> 00:00:25,624 I think it either wants me to harm or maybe even kill someone. 7 00:00:25,626 --> 00:00:29,161 Physically shaking them, trying to wake them up. 8 00:00:30,864 --> 00:00:35,067 There were five murder-suicides very near your client's property. 9 00:00:35,069 --> 00:00:41,340 All she's being driven, uh, by now is revenge and rage. 10 00:00:41,775 --> 00:00:43,208 I knew it was me. 11 00:00:44,177 --> 00:00:45,744 [Amy] I don't like it in here. 12 00:00:45,746 --> 00:00:48,013 Like, this is the worst place. 13 00:00:49,783 --> 00:00:51,150 It wants the person dead. 14 00:00:51,152 --> 00:00:53,152 My name is Amy Allan. 15 00:00:53,820 --> 00:00:54,686 I see dead people. 16 00:00:54,688 --> 00:00:57,656 I saw a winged creature. 17 00:00:57,658 --> 00:01:01,627 I speak to dead people and they speak to me. 18 00:01:01,629 --> 00:01:03,829 This person feels like a monster. 19 00:01:03,831 --> 00:01:06,999 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 20 00:01:07,001 --> 00:01:10,936 They are sucking the life out of these people. 21 00:01:10,938 --> 00:01:11,904 I rely on my partner. 22 00:01:11,906 --> 00:01:13,772 I'm Steve DiSchiavi. 23 00:01:13,774 --> 00:01:15,741 I'm a retired New York City Homicide Detective. 24 00:01:15,743 --> 00:01:17,209 So, how many bodies are we talking about? 25 00:01:17,211 --> 00:01:21,447 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 26 00:01:21,449 --> 00:01:22,948 It's my job to reveal them. 27 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:25,017 But Steve and I never speak. 28 00:01:25,019 --> 00:01:26,919 We never communicate during an investigation. 29 00:01:26,921 --> 00:01:28,654 Until the very end. 30 00:01:28,656 --> 00:01:30,689 - [gasps] - You're not gonna like this. 31 00:01:30,691 --> 00:01:32,758 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay. 32 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,060 I'm sorry. I need to take a break. 33 00:01:35,462 --> 00:01:36,995 Or time to get out. 34 00:01:36,997 --> 00:01:38,831 It wants inside the house because it wants to kill you. 35 00:01:38,833 --> 00:01:40,365 [gasps] 36 00:01:52,479 --> 00:01:54,680 [Steve] So, I'm out here in the tiny town of Graham, Washington. 37 00:01:54,682 --> 00:01:56,281 It's just south of Tacoma. 38 00:01:56,283 --> 00:01:58,750 I got an emotional call from a woman named Brandy. 39 00:01:58,752 --> 00:02:03,655 Now, she's convinced whatever's in her house has possessed her fiance. 40 00:02:03,657 --> 00:02:07,659 She told me if Amy and I don't get there soon, it's gonna rip her family apart. 41 00:02:07,661 --> 00:02:09,361 Hopefully, we're not too late. 42 00:02:16,669 --> 00:02:19,271 I don't really feel good about this. 43 00:02:20,206 --> 00:02:24,042 There's a lot of negative energy being sent my way 44 00:02:24,044 --> 00:02:25,978 and, like, blocking... 45 00:02:25,980 --> 00:02:28,080 I just feet blocked. 46 00:02:30,083 --> 00:02:31,350 [Matthew] What's blocking you? 47 00:02:31,352 --> 00:02:34,987 I believe it's a living female... 48 00:02:34,989 --> 00:02:39,124 who doesn't necessarily want me here. 49 00:02:39,126 --> 00:02:42,161 They're more than likely telepathic. 50 00:02:47,934 --> 00:02:50,702 [Steve] So, Brandy, I got to tell you, pulling up to your house, 51 00:02:50,704 --> 00:02:53,772 this is a quaint home you have here. 52 00:02:53,774 --> 00:02:56,208 But it sounds like, when we spoke on the phone, 53 00:02:56,210 --> 00:02:57,876 that you're just at the end of your rope here. 54 00:02:57,878 --> 00:02:59,077 I am. 55 00:02:59,079 --> 00:03:01,747 There's something attacking my family. 56 00:03:01,749 --> 00:03:04,016 I need to find out what it is. 57 00:03:04,018 --> 00:03:06,251 All right. So, Brandy, who exactly lives in the house here? 58 00:03:06,686 --> 00:03:08,820 My son Trevor. He's 29. 59 00:03:08,822 --> 00:03:10,856 - [Steve] Trevor's here in the black? - [Brandy] Yes. 60 00:03:10,858 --> 00:03:12,524 [Brandy] My fiance, Mark. 61 00:03:12,526 --> 00:03:14,092 And myself. 62 00:03:14,094 --> 00:03:16,461 Tell me about the experiences you guys are having. 63 00:03:17,230 --> 00:03:19,264 [Brandy] We experience mood changes. 64 00:03:19,832 --> 00:03:21,600 We see shadow figures. 65 00:03:21,602 --> 00:03:24,203 And now, it's physically violent. 66 00:03:24,205 --> 00:03:27,172 [Steve] Let's start with the mood changes. Who's getting affected? 67 00:03:27,174 --> 00:03:29,074 [Brandy] Mark usually gets the deepest. 68 00:03:29,076 --> 00:03:30,409 It's more of a-- 69 00:03:30,411 --> 00:03:33,579 It's so dark. It's like a rage. 70 00:03:33,581 --> 00:03:37,749 You made a bold statement to me and you said, you know, you think he's possessed. 71 00:03:37,751 --> 00:03:40,152 I think he-- Something has a hold of him. Definitely. 72 00:03:40,154 --> 00:03:42,854 He changes. He goes dark. 73 00:03:42,856 --> 00:03:44,423 Like, his eyes change. 74 00:03:45,692 --> 00:03:47,059 He's a different person. 75 00:03:47,660 --> 00:03:48,927 [Steve] And what about Trevor? 76 00:03:48,929 --> 00:03:50,896 [Brandy] He isolates himself. 77 00:03:50,898 --> 00:03:53,398 What about you as far as mood changes? 78 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,868 I get sadness, fits of sadness that come through at me, 79 00:03:56,870 --> 00:03:59,938 - [Steve] Okay. - Extremely powerful. 80 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:03,842 What do you think the intentions are? Of whatever it is. 81 00:04:03,844 --> 00:04:05,777 It's trying to make us hurt each other. 82 00:04:05,779 --> 00:04:06,979 - Okay. - [Brandy] I really believe that. 83 00:04:06,981 --> 00:04:09,948 I believe that it's taking the energy out of us 84 00:04:09,950 --> 00:04:13,919 and all its leaving is aggression and anger. 85 00:04:13,921 --> 00:04:17,089 - That's kind of, scary. - It's terrifying. 86 00:04:17,091 --> 00:04:18,890 And it's hard to keep the family together 87 00:04:18,892 --> 00:04:20,993 with it being like that. 88 00:04:23,896 --> 00:04:27,366 I am feeling, like, a lot of pain in my stomach. 89 00:04:27,368 --> 00:04:32,938 Living people here are feeling unusual amounts of anger. 90 00:04:32,940 --> 00:04:38,510 And, like, people who are more sensitive get the rock of hatred, 91 00:04:38,512 --> 00:04:40,812 that almost makes you want to vomit. 92 00:04:40,814 --> 00:04:43,982 [Matthew] Does it make them prone to any kind of, action more or anything? 93 00:04:43,984 --> 00:04:48,453 It is a pretty intense anger. Uh... 94 00:04:48,455 --> 00:04:51,423 So it is a possibility that they may act out on it, 95 00:04:51,425 --> 00:04:53,692 depending on the individual. 96 00:04:53,694 --> 00:04:57,296 I'm still trying to figure out where all this anger is coming from. 97 00:05:05,605 --> 00:05:08,674 [Brandy] This is where most of the activity happens for me. 98 00:05:08,676 --> 00:05:11,777 Okay, so, tell me about some of the stuff that's happening. 99 00:05:11,779 --> 00:05:18,483 There's an entity in here that sits on my legs almost every night. 100 00:05:18,485 --> 00:05:19,851 [Steve] So, are you asleep when this happens? 101 00:05:19,853 --> 00:05:21,953 Sometimes. Sometimes I'm awake. 102 00:05:21,955 --> 00:05:25,223 Sometimes I can look down and watch it happen on my legs. 103 00:05:25,391 --> 00:05:26,892 Okay. Anything else? 104 00:05:26,894 --> 00:05:31,863 Well, when I'm asleep something will shove me and wake me up. 105 00:05:31,865 --> 00:05:34,366 - So, it feels like a hand. - Yeah, it does. 106 00:05:34,368 --> 00:05:36,001 Feels like a very strong hand. 107 00:05:36,003 --> 00:05:40,972 All right. So, do me a favor. Show on me, how you're getting shoved. 108 00:05:41,607 --> 00:05:44,042 - All right. So-- - Enough to wake you up. 109 00:05:44,044 --> 00:05:46,111 - Yeah. So, it's a little bit annoying... - Yes. 110 00:05:46,113 --> 00:05:48,146 - [Steve] ...to say the least. - It startles you. 111 00:05:48,148 --> 00:05:49,314 Okay. 112 00:05:50,116 --> 00:05:53,985 [Amy] I'm seeing, like, a little old lady. 113 00:05:54,620 --> 00:05:59,491 She's probably, like, late 70s. 114 00:05:59,493 --> 00:06:02,227 And she's like, "Why are you in my house?" 115 00:06:06,833 --> 00:06:08,700 She's a little confused. 116 00:06:08,702 --> 00:06:09,801 [Matthew] What do you mean? 117 00:06:09,803 --> 00:06:13,004 [Amy] She doesn't know that she's, you know, dead. 118 00:06:13,706 --> 00:06:15,974 She's extremely stressed about it. 119 00:06:15,976 --> 00:06:18,176 She's trying to wake people up. 120 00:06:18,178 --> 00:06:20,178 - [Matthew] So it's the living she's trying to wake up? - Yeah. 121 00:06:20,180 --> 00:06:21,980 [Amy] This is bad. 122 00:06:24,917 --> 00:06:26,017 [Steve] All right. What else? 123 00:06:26,019 --> 00:06:30,756 Several times I've woken up to a huge shadow figure 124 00:06:30,758 --> 00:06:35,527 walking around the side of the bed or hovering over the Mark at night. 125 00:06:35,529 --> 00:06:37,829 So does this have human form? 126 00:06:37,831 --> 00:06:42,234 The top of it is shaped, um, kind of, like the shape of a... a head... 127 00:06:42,568 --> 00:06:44,669 - and shoulders. - Okay. 128 00:06:44,671 --> 00:06:47,639 Actually, Mark asked me to draw for him what I saw 129 00:06:47,641 --> 00:06:50,208 and I have a sketch that I did. 130 00:06:54,814 --> 00:06:57,015 - [Steve] So, this is you and Mark. - [Brandy] Yes. 131 00:06:57,017 --> 00:06:58,683 - [Steve] And this is entity here. - [Brandy] Yes. 132 00:06:58,685 --> 00:07:00,852 [Steve] Who do you think that is? 133 00:07:00,854 --> 00:07:05,457 I think it's evil. I think it's been here for a long time. 134 00:07:05,459 --> 00:07:08,126 - Do you think that's what's taken over him? - [Brandy] I do. 135 00:07:08,128 --> 00:07:10,061 - Okay. - I do. I think it's influencing him 136 00:07:10,063 --> 00:07:11,997 in a horrible way. 137 00:07:11,999 --> 00:07:16,468 I'm afraid to even ask you if there's anything else going on here. But, what else? 138 00:07:16,470 --> 00:07:19,671 I've been waking up with painful scratches. 139 00:07:19,673 --> 00:07:22,874 - Okay. - On my neck, on my arm, my chest. 140 00:07:22,876 --> 00:07:25,410 I have a couple of pictures if you want to see them. 141 00:07:27,780 --> 00:07:30,482 This one here is of the one on my chest. 142 00:07:30,484 --> 00:07:32,684 And that one is on the side of my arm. 143 00:07:32,686 --> 00:07:34,986 - [Steve] Could the cat be jumping up on the bed? - [Brandy] No. 144 00:07:34,988 --> 00:07:37,889 They're definitely not, like, cat scratches. 145 00:07:37,891 --> 00:07:38,824 Are you allergic to anything? 146 00:07:38,826 --> 00:07:40,926 - No. - [Steve] Okay. 147 00:07:40,928 --> 00:07:43,028 You've got a lot going on here. Is there anything else? 148 00:07:43,030 --> 00:07:44,062 I get bad nightmares. 149 00:07:44,064 --> 00:07:45,831 Any that you can remember? 150 00:07:45,833 --> 00:07:50,202 One night, I had a-- It's a flash of Mark 151 00:07:50,204 --> 00:07:51,770 up against the wall 152 00:07:51,772 --> 00:07:53,972 with a gunshot to his head. 153 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:55,774 This is a dream you're having? 154 00:07:55,776 --> 00:07:57,709 Yeah. They felt like warnings. 155 00:07:57,711 --> 00:07:59,778 - [Brandy] I don't like it. - Right. 156 00:07:59,780 --> 00:08:02,781 I don't want it to hurt my family, I want my family back 157 00:08:02,783 --> 00:08:04,749 - and I want it to stop. - Okay. 158 00:08:04,751 --> 00:08:07,018 Because we worked really hard to get here. 159 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:09,254 - [Steve] Yeah. - Took a lot of love. 160 00:08:12,992 --> 00:08:15,060 [Amy] This old woman, 161 00:08:15,062 --> 00:08:17,929 like, they're physically feeling her, 162 00:08:17,931 --> 00:08:20,499 uh, shaking them, shaking them. 163 00:08:20,501 --> 00:08:22,968 Trying to wake them up. 164 00:08:22,970 --> 00:08:26,171 She is running around and physically interacting with the living. 165 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:28,874 Pushing on them, shaking them. 166 00:08:28,876 --> 00:08:32,310 There's a sense of urgency and panic. 167 00:08:32,945 --> 00:08:39,084 I'm getting a lot of very vivid nightmares. 168 00:08:40,586 --> 00:08:43,021 It's a possibility that they might be having 169 00:08:43,023 --> 00:08:46,157 some kind of dream about this elderly woman 170 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:48,260 or whatever the [bleep] she went through. 171 00:08:49,795 --> 00:08:51,463 Terrible, terrible. 172 00:09:15,488 --> 00:09:18,123 [Steve] So, Mark, I was talking to Brandy today, your fiance, 173 00:09:18,125 --> 00:09:21,993 and she was explaining how the paranormal in the house here 174 00:09:22,061 --> 00:09:23,662 is attacking everybody. 175 00:09:23,664 --> 00:09:25,931 - You agree with that? - Yes, I do, I actually. 176 00:09:25,933 --> 00:09:29,768 Brandy also told me that, um, whatever's here in the house 177 00:09:29,770 --> 00:09:33,171 seems to be attached to you or influencing you. 178 00:09:33,173 --> 00:09:34,072 You agree with that? 179 00:09:34,074 --> 00:09:37,208 Yeah, it's definitely affecting my mood. 180 00:09:37,210 --> 00:09:41,613 I think it either wants me to harm or maybe even kill someone. 181 00:09:41,615 --> 00:09:42,948 [Steve] Okay. 182 00:09:42,950 --> 00:09:45,750 What experiences have you had, though, that you can talk about? 183 00:09:45,752 --> 00:09:49,955 When I'm here, I'm drained of energy. 184 00:09:50,089 --> 00:09:52,090 - Uh, I get confused. - Okay. 185 00:09:52,092 --> 00:09:53,892 [Mark] And I get depressed. 186 00:09:53,894 --> 00:09:55,694 When I'm away from here, I'm great. 187 00:09:55,696 --> 00:09:57,896 All right. So anything else happening? 188 00:09:57,898 --> 00:10:00,765 Yes. Lately, I've been waking up with strange scratches on my body. 189 00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:02,434 Here, to show you. 190 00:10:05,171 --> 00:10:07,572 [Steve] Brandy showed me some pictures of scratches, too. 191 00:10:07,574 --> 00:10:10,809 [Mark] This one was of my leg. 192 00:10:10,811 --> 00:10:14,112 It was on the front of my thigh and I can't explain where it came from. 193 00:10:14,114 --> 00:10:15,714 [Steve] Okay. And what's this one? 194 00:10:15,716 --> 00:10:18,350 [Mark] This one was on my back, on my shoulder. 195 00:10:19,118 --> 00:10:20,018 [Steve] You're not allergic to anything? 196 00:10:20,020 --> 00:10:22,153 No. I get hay fever but-- 197 00:10:22,155 --> 00:10:23,922 - [Steve] Nothing that will cause this. - No. 198 00:10:23,924 --> 00:10:24,823 [Mark] No. 199 00:10:24,825 --> 00:10:26,358 What else? 200 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,794 Brandy says that I've been sleepwalking, 201 00:10:29,796 --> 00:10:31,763 which I've never been a sleepwalker. 202 00:10:31,765 --> 00:10:38,703 She says that I have... nightmares to where I'm curled up in a defensive position, 203 00:10:38,705 --> 00:10:42,807 um, yelling out, "No! Get away from me!" 204 00:10:42,809 --> 00:10:45,543 Are you taking any sleeping medications that might cause you to do that? 205 00:10:45,545 --> 00:10:48,446 - No, I don't take any medications at all. - [Steve] Okay. 206 00:10:48,448 --> 00:10:50,982 What are you hoping we can do for you guys? 207 00:10:50,984 --> 00:10:53,852 Hopefully, you can give us some answers on how to fight this thing, 208 00:10:53,854 --> 00:10:56,721 so that we can be happy and live our lives. 209 00:10:56,723 --> 00:10:59,090 So I can have my family. 210 00:10:59,092 --> 00:11:00,925 It's upsetting to you. I can see that. 211 00:11:00,927 --> 00:11:03,228 - Very much so. - [Steve] Yeah. 212 00:11:05,598 --> 00:11:08,266 [sighs heavily] 213 00:11:13,939 --> 00:11:15,573 - [Mark] Sorry. - [Steve] No. Don't be sorry. 214 00:11:15,575 --> 00:11:17,208 [Steve] Listen... 215 00:11:17,210 --> 00:11:20,578 It's more than reasonable for you to be upset about it. 216 00:11:20,580 --> 00:11:22,814 I appreciate it. 217 00:11:22,816 --> 00:11:24,449 If Amy says, you got to get the hell out of here. 218 00:11:25,451 --> 00:11:27,018 Would you go? 219 00:11:28,254 --> 00:11:31,289 If it's going to be what's best for my family, I'll figure something out. 220 00:11:31,957 --> 00:11:33,158 Okay. 221 00:11:35,094 --> 00:11:37,028 [Amy] Big guy, big guy. 222 00:11:37,630 --> 00:11:39,464 Just seeing like, a big guy 223 00:11:39,466 --> 00:11:43,201 drinking alcohol and feeling very angry. 224 00:11:44,236 --> 00:11:45,470 Hmm. 225 00:11:45,472 --> 00:11:47,939 I feel like he's alive. 226 00:11:47,941 --> 00:11:52,444 So I think that the living in here would feel an insane amount of anger 227 00:11:52,446 --> 00:11:54,145 and then nausea. 228 00:11:57,683 --> 00:12:00,618 What is making the living so angry here? 229 00:12:00,620 --> 00:12:04,189 I'm seeing something in the ground coming out? 230 00:12:09,995 --> 00:12:13,164 Somebody's saying "death" and somebody's saying "suicide." 231 00:12:13,566 --> 00:12:15,834 And then, I am seeing a gun. 232 00:12:15,836 --> 00:12:20,004 I don't like it in here. Like, this is the worst place. 233 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,280 [Steve] So, Trevor, I was talking to mom today, 234 00:12:29,282 --> 00:12:34,052 and she was telling me that she feels the paranormal activity in this house 235 00:12:35,020 --> 00:12:37,489 Is so bad that somebody's gonna get hurt. 236 00:12:37,491 --> 00:12:39,424 I mean, do you agree with that at all? 237 00:12:39,426 --> 00:12:42,861 Yes. I feel like it's just been getting worse and worse. 238 00:12:42,863 --> 00:12:45,764 Do me a favor and tell me about some of the experiences that you've had. 239 00:12:45,766 --> 00:12:48,233 So, the first time we came in to see the house, 240 00:12:48,235 --> 00:12:50,468 I had this overwhelming feeling of just being watched. 241 00:12:50,669 --> 00:12:52,003 Okay. 242 00:12:52,371 --> 00:12:55,206 And being compelled to not go into certain areas of the house. 243 00:12:55,208 --> 00:12:58,109 Do you feel that way more in certain spots? Or was it all over? 244 00:12:58,111 --> 00:12:59,878 It's in certain spots. 245 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:00,945 Which spots are we talking about? 246 00:13:00,947 --> 00:13:02,080 The spare-room. 247 00:13:02,082 --> 00:13:04,582 - This one here, behind me. Okay. - Yeah. 248 00:13:04,584 --> 00:13:06,151 [Trevor] And also, on the outside 249 00:13:06,153 --> 00:13:08,153 there's the the back left corner of the yard. 250 00:13:08,155 --> 00:13:12,557 For some reason I just don't have any want or desire to go over there. 251 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,692 [Steve] Okay. Anything else? 252 00:13:14,694 --> 00:13:18,963 I've also seen a giant black figure staring at me from the spare room here. 253 00:13:18,965 --> 00:13:21,065 - [Steve] Over here? - [Trevor] Yes. 254 00:13:21,767 --> 00:13:24,669 [Trevor] It was about seven or eight feet tall. 255 00:13:24,671 --> 00:13:28,306 Okay. There's any way that shadow could have came from outside? 256 00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:31,476 No way. It was darker than the darkness of night. 257 00:13:31,478 --> 00:13:36,347 Your mom thinks that whatever's in this house is trying to possess Mark. 258 00:13:36,349 --> 00:13:39,818 - [Steve] Do you see that? - I definitely see an influence on him. 259 00:13:39,820 --> 00:13:43,188 [Trevor] He hasn't become violent with us but it's that type of rage. 260 00:13:43,190 --> 00:13:45,190 - [Steve] So, it's scary. - Yes. 261 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,761 [Amy] What the [bleep]? 262 00:13:49,763 --> 00:13:52,964 Something out there back left corner. 263 00:13:56,135 --> 00:13:59,470 What is that? It just felt blocked. 264 00:13:59,472 --> 00:14:00,939 What the [bleep] is going on? 265 00:14:00,941 --> 00:14:03,308 Like, left for dead. 266 00:14:04,510 --> 00:14:08,513 Something in the back left corner like, left for dead. 267 00:14:08,515 --> 00:14:12,116 So, it's dead and then buried but then it came back. 268 00:14:18,157 --> 00:14:21,893 I'm seeing a human form doing that, not an animal. 269 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,996 It feels animal. 270 00:14:24,998 --> 00:14:30,034 I-- I believe it was a person who just, kind of, 271 00:14:30,536 --> 00:14:33,004 is now functioning like an animal. 272 00:14:33,006 --> 00:14:36,407 I think this dead person is causing all of the anger here. 273 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:42,146 Everybody, I feel on some level 274 00:14:42,148 --> 00:14:46,584 are feeling the anger that's associated with this thing. 275 00:14:46,586 --> 00:14:49,287 Angry. Very, very angry. 276 00:15:02,601 --> 00:15:04,235 [Steve] I made my usual calls when I got to town 277 00:15:04,237 --> 00:15:06,771 and just heard back from a local genealogist. 278 00:15:06,773 --> 00:15:12,377 She tells me a previous owner of Brandy's land dropped dead, right on the property. 279 00:15:12,379 --> 00:15:14,646 She says this guy lived such an interesting life, 280 00:15:14,648 --> 00:15:17,015 I'm definitely going to want to hear about it. 281 00:15:23,989 --> 00:15:26,190 So, Mary, I appreciate you helping me out with this case. 282 00:15:26,192 --> 00:15:29,127 This guy who died on my client's property. Who was he? 283 00:15:29,129 --> 00:15:30,628 His name was Arnold Reuther. 284 00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:35,033 He was born in 1919 in North Dakota. 285 00:15:35,035 --> 00:15:38,036 [Steve] So, on the phone you mentioned that this guy had an interesting story, 286 00:15:38,038 --> 00:15:39,037 what did you find out? 287 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:41,673 He left home at about age 16. 288 00:15:41,675 --> 00:15:44,475 He went to Seattle in 1943. 289 00:15:44,477 --> 00:15:47,779 And he met a woman there, Frances Manzer. 290 00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:51,015 Whirlwind romance, they married about three months after they met. 291 00:15:51,017 --> 00:15:53,117 This is right in the middle of World War II. 292 00:15:53,119 --> 00:15:55,853 Right. As many men of his generation did, 293 00:15:55,855 --> 00:15:59,924 he joined up World War II just six months after they were married. 294 00:15:59,926 --> 00:16:04,896 He enlisted in the Navy and he worked on a tank landing ship. 295 00:16:04,898 --> 00:16:06,731 Okay. So, he definitely saw action. 296 00:16:06,733 --> 00:16:09,734 Yeah. His ship was stationed in the South Pacific 297 00:16:09,736 --> 00:16:13,171 and I'm sure he saw the horrors of war. 298 00:16:15,841 --> 00:16:19,243 I am seeing some kind of cemetery. 299 00:16:20,746 --> 00:16:22,113 Very strange. 300 00:16:22,915 --> 00:16:28,186 I counted about 15 or 16 headstones 301 00:16:28,188 --> 00:16:32,190 and I was told that they're unmarked graves. 302 00:16:35,928 --> 00:16:39,697 I see a man. He is dressed 303 00:16:39,699 --> 00:16:44,635 in, like, this weird military outfit. 304 00:16:44,637 --> 00:16:47,271 I think the graves has something to do with him. 305 00:16:48,941 --> 00:16:50,675 [Steve] All right. So, Mary, he's in the war. 306 00:16:50,677 --> 00:16:52,076 When does he return to stateside? 307 00:16:52,811 --> 00:16:57,482 He was discharged in 1946 and came back to this area. 308 00:16:57,484 --> 00:16:59,684 When did she buy my client's property? 309 00:16:59,686 --> 00:17:02,020 He and Frances lived in a house 310 00:17:02,022 --> 00:17:05,289 - right next door to your client's property. - Okay. 311 00:17:05,291 --> 00:17:08,826 In '1975, he was looking to expand his land. 312 00:17:08,828 --> 00:17:14,265 He wanted to farm. And so, they brought the property to raise livestock. 313 00:17:14,267 --> 00:17:19,037 So, Mary, I know Arnold died while he was living on my client's property. 314 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:20,271 What happened? 315 00:17:20,273 --> 00:17:23,441 - In October 1994, Arnold had a massive heart attack. - Oh. 316 00:17:23,443 --> 00:17:27,712 [Mary] And Frances frantically called for an ambulance to come. 317 00:17:27,714 --> 00:17:31,849 But they were late, and by the time he got to the hospital, 318 00:17:31,851 --> 00:17:32,850 he was dead on arrival. 319 00:17:32,852 --> 00:17:34,685 My father died of a massive heart attack. 320 00:17:34,687 --> 00:17:37,555 - I can guarantee he died before he hit the ground. - Right. 321 00:17:37,557 --> 00:17:39,891 What a shame. Especially for Frances to see that. 322 00:17:39,893 --> 00:17:43,094 I think it was really hard, feeling so helpless. 323 00:17:43,096 --> 00:17:46,798 All right. So, Frances is left, now, a widow. 324 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,499 What happened after that? 325 00:17:48,501 --> 00:17:50,835 She stayed on the property for a couple years. 326 00:17:50,837 --> 00:17:56,474 In 1996, she had your client's house built on the property. 327 00:17:56,476 --> 00:17:58,743 -Okay. So, she built my client's house -[Mary] Right. 328 00:17:58,745 --> 00:18:01,012 I don't know whether she lived there or not, 329 00:18:01,580 --> 00:18:04,382 but, either the property was too much 330 00:18:04,384 --> 00:18:07,685 or the memories were too much for her to stay there. 331 00:18:07,687 --> 00:18:10,121 So, she sold the property in 1997. 332 00:18:10,123 --> 00:18:13,891 She moved a few miles away and she died in 2008. 333 00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:16,127 She was 84 years old. 334 00:18:16,129 --> 00:18:19,730 [Steve] Okay. So, 84, she probably died of natural causes. 335 00:18:19,732 --> 00:18:20,898 Do we know if she ever remarried? 336 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:23,134 - No, she did not. - Okay. 337 00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:27,371 [Amy] I'm seeing that little old lady again. 338 00:18:28,974 --> 00:18:33,144 She's, like, freaking out about like, a truck that's driving up. 339 00:18:33,879 --> 00:18:35,580 There's panic about this truck. 340 00:18:35,582 --> 00:18:39,050 She's saying 1996. 341 00:18:39,985 --> 00:18:45,056 The house, though, looks really, really different through her eyes. 342 00:18:45,958 --> 00:18:49,327 I'm gonna say that she did live here. 343 00:18:49,329 --> 00:18:51,562 But it's really, really different. 344 00:18:51,564 --> 00:18:56,000 [exhales heavily] Her mind is very... 345 00:18:57,236 --> 00:18:59,670 [Steve] I reached out to my old friend, author Jeff Davis. 346 00:18:59,672 --> 00:19:01,873 He tells me he can't explain it, 347 00:19:01,875 --> 00:19:03,641 but there have been a series of murder-suicides 348 00:19:03,643 --> 00:19:05,843 in Brandy and Mark's neighborhood. 349 00:19:05,845 --> 00:19:10,414 He tells me one of them really stands out and might help my investigation. 350 00:19:16,822 --> 00:19:18,789 [Steve] Jeff, I appreciate you helping me out once again. 351 00:19:18,791 --> 00:19:19,624 It's good to see you. 352 00:19:19,626 --> 00:19:20,424 [Jeff] Good to see you too. 353 00:19:20,426 --> 00:19:23,461 All right. So, what'd you find out? 354 00:19:23,463 --> 00:19:29,233 I am sad to say that in a 10-year period from 2009 to 2019, 355 00:19:29,235 --> 00:19:33,171 there were five murder-suicides very near your client's property. 356 00:19:33,505 --> 00:19:34,672 That's a lot. 357 00:19:34,739 --> 00:19:36,807 I mean, I've worked on my fair share of murder-suicides 358 00:19:36,809 --> 00:19:39,777 - but that's in a big city. - Yeah. Yeah. Not expected. 359 00:19:39,779 --> 00:19:42,914 [Steve] You said one case really stood out. Tell me about it. 360 00:19:42,916 --> 00:19:45,983 I've got a case that involves an entire family this time. 361 00:19:45,985 --> 00:19:49,320 Sometime after midnight, March 13th, 2018, 362 00:19:49,322 --> 00:19:53,558 -an Air Force airman named Clinton Field called 911, -Okay. 363 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,862 And he reported that he'd just killed his 33-year-old wife, Samantha, 364 00:19:57,864 --> 00:20:01,699 his four-year-old daughter, Ava, and his two-year-old son, Ashen. 365 00:20:01,701 --> 00:20:03,801 Oh, jeez. Did he say anything else? 366 00:20:03,803 --> 00:20:05,670 Yeah. He almost made an apology. 367 00:20:05,672 --> 00:20:08,606 He thanked the police for their courtesy. 368 00:20:08,608 --> 00:20:12,977 But he also said, "By the time you get here, I'll be dead too." 369 00:20:12,979 --> 00:20:15,746 He hung up the phone and by the time the cops arrived, 370 00:20:15,748 --> 00:20:17,481 he was dead, he shot himself. 371 00:20:17,483 --> 00:20:20,585 All right. That's pretty vicious murder-suicide. 372 00:20:20,587 --> 00:20:24,655 All right. So, do we have any idea why this maniac did this? 373 00:20:24,657 --> 00:20:29,760 According to investigators, it may have had to do with, uh, impending divorce. 374 00:20:29,762 --> 00:20:31,996 Uh, and he may have been suffering from depression as well. 375 00:20:31,998 --> 00:20:34,465 [Steve] You know, murder-suicides happen all the time 376 00:20:34,467 --> 00:20:36,434 but when you involve kids it's sickening. 377 00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:39,470 Hmm. 378 00:20:40,672 --> 00:20:43,374 Like, hearing a [bleep] woman screaming. 379 00:20:44,943 --> 00:20:48,446 Like, oh God, like, she's, like, dying, it's like a moment-- 380 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:49,981 Like, dying. 381 00:20:51,783 --> 00:20:56,954 I am hearing somebody talking about a death. 382 00:20:59,124 --> 00:21:02,260 Somebody mentioning suicide? 383 00:21:03,729 --> 00:21:04,962 This was a suicide. 384 00:21:04,964 --> 00:21:07,465 She was, like, screaming. 385 00:21:07,467 --> 00:21:09,300 What the [bleep] is going on? 386 00:21:09,968 --> 00:21:12,069 "Oh, God! Help me!" 387 00:21:21,013 --> 00:21:22,613 For more information about the show 388 00:21:22,615 --> 00:21:25,650 and if you need us to investigate unexplained activity in your home. 389 00:21:25,652 --> 00:21:29,387 Please visit TravelChannel.com/ TheDeadFiles. 390 00:21:29,389 --> 00:21:33,157 Click on "Help Me, Dead Files" to submit your story, and we'll help if we can. 391 00:21:40,866 --> 00:21:42,600 [Steve] So far, I've got a client convinced something in her house 392 00:21:42,602 --> 00:21:44,168 is possessing her fiance 393 00:21:44,170 --> 00:21:48,739 on a property near the site of several different murder-suicides. 394 00:21:48,741 --> 00:21:50,975 But I want to see if there's anything else. 395 00:21:52,411 --> 00:21:53,711 Searching through the archives, 396 00:21:53,713 --> 00:21:56,247 I find something very interesting about an army base, 397 00:21:56,249 --> 00:21:58,983 that's about a mile away from Brandy's house. 398 00:21:58,985 --> 00:22:02,720 Turns out, one of the training fields there has been used as a dumping ground 399 00:22:02,722 --> 00:22:05,056 for dozens of murder victims. 400 00:22:05,824 --> 00:22:08,392 A military base seems like a real strange place 401 00:22:08,394 --> 00:22:10,928 for people to dumping dead bodies. 402 00:22:10,930 --> 00:22:13,397 So I reached out to a local journalist who covered this story. 403 00:22:13,399 --> 00:22:16,534 And he says the location is very remote. 404 00:22:16,536 --> 00:22:20,271 He also says, there's one case in particular, I definitely got to know about. 405 00:22:27,546 --> 00:22:30,881 So, the with spot all the dead bodies, where exactly is it? 406 00:22:30,883 --> 00:22:33,651 [Dunkelberger] It's a training area known as Fort Lewis. 407 00:22:33,653 --> 00:22:37,788 That area is known for being a dumping ground for countless murder victims. 408 00:22:37,790 --> 00:22:39,890 We've got areas like that in New York, 409 00:22:39,892 --> 00:22:43,694 nobody's around, bad guys know it and that's where they dump dead bodies. 410 00:22:43,696 --> 00:22:45,896 You mentioned on the phone, with all those bodies 411 00:22:45,898 --> 00:22:47,798 you found a specific one I'd be interested in. 412 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,134 Um, who's the victim? 413 00:22:50,136 --> 00:22:53,904 The victim was 17-year-old Noreen McNicholas. 414 00:22:53,906 --> 00:22:54,839 [Steve] Okay. 415 00:22:54,841 --> 00:23:00,745 And disappeared in November 5th, 1948. 416 00:23:00,747 --> 00:23:02,413 All right. So, what happens after that? 417 00:23:02,415 --> 00:23:04,448 A month into the investigation, 418 00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:09,687 a boy's dog catches the scent and starts digging around a marshy area. 419 00:23:09,689 --> 00:23:13,491 Hidden underneath the marshy area was Noreen's nude body. 420 00:23:14,526 --> 00:23:16,761 Did the autopsy show how she died? 421 00:23:16,763 --> 00:23:21,599 The coroner report said that she was badly beaten and strangled to death. 422 00:23:21,601 --> 00:23:22,800 Did they like anybody for this homicide? 423 00:23:22,802 --> 00:23:26,604 The case went fairly cold for several years 424 00:23:26,606 --> 00:23:29,874 and then we had another break and that's when it gets weird. 425 00:23:29,876 --> 00:23:32,009 So, how does the other break come about? 426 00:23:32,011 --> 00:23:34,945 It was a strange situation where two enlisted servicemen 427 00:23:34,947 --> 00:23:36,947 took their dates to the same park. 428 00:23:36,949 --> 00:23:39,817 One of the girls was 18-year-old Ella Cooper... 429 00:23:39,819 --> 00:23:41,585 - [Steve] Okay. - who immediately started 430 00:23:41,587 --> 00:23:45,956 ranting and collapsing and yelling, "Noreen, lookout." 431 00:23:45,958 --> 00:23:50,161 Her erratic behavior drew the attention of a police officer. 432 00:23:50,163 --> 00:23:51,328 So, is she having a flashback? 433 00:23:51,330 --> 00:23:53,464 That's the theory. 434 00:23:53,466 --> 00:23:57,268 When she finally calmed down, she admitted to being at the scene of the murder. 435 00:23:58,336 --> 00:23:59,870 [Steve] All right. So what else did she give up? 436 00:23:59,872 --> 00:24:05,142 She confessed that she had gone to the park with Noreen and two men, 437 00:24:05,144 --> 00:24:08,045 and one of them was named Bill Smith 438 00:24:08,047 --> 00:24:10,448 and the other one she only knew as Bob. 439 00:24:11,082 --> 00:24:13,818 Bill Smith and Bob. Okay. 440 00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:18,088 Ella said that Bill Smith got jealous 441 00:24:18,090 --> 00:24:21,992 about Noreen wanting to possibly date Bob or just not him. 442 00:24:21,994 --> 00:24:23,661 So, he ended up killing her. 443 00:24:23,663 --> 00:24:28,666 All right. So, why did it take this girl three years to give up what happened? 444 00:24:28,668 --> 00:24:32,470 Ella told police that Bill Smith threatened to kill her 445 00:24:32,472 --> 00:24:34,271 if she ever talked about anything. 446 00:24:34,273 --> 00:24:38,375 And so she trained herself to simply forget that it ever happened. 447 00:24:38,377 --> 00:24:40,478 That, all those emotions came back 448 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,414 when she visited the same park where Noreen died. 449 00:24:43,416 --> 00:24:46,784 It took two trials but he was sentenced to life in prison. 450 00:24:46,786 --> 00:24:50,421 Okay. What about this guy Bob? He's obviously an accomplice. 451 00:24:51,756 --> 00:24:55,192 [Dunkelberger] Ella gave a description of Bob to the police. 452 00:24:55,194 --> 00:24:56,727 - [Steve] Okay. - [Dunkelberger] There were 150 leads, 453 00:24:56,729 --> 00:24:58,863 but they never found Bob. 454 00:24:58,865 --> 00:25:02,967 Well, at least in this case the body was found and there was closure to it. 455 00:25:02,969 --> 00:25:06,136 I can only imagine how many bodies are out there that have no closure. 456 00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:13,410 I'm seeing that dead person who's causing all of the anger here. 457 00:25:13,778 --> 00:25:16,347 It is a female, 458 00:25:17,182 --> 00:25:21,952 who was crawling on her hands and knees, 459 00:25:21,954 --> 00:25:23,654 kind of, crawling towards me 460 00:25:23,656 --> 00:25:29,226 and she was in a very decomposed state. 461 00:25:32,564 --> 00:25:37,735 I could see, as well, longer straight brown hair, 462 00:25:37,737 --> 00:25:44,008 and I believe that she's relatively young. 463 00:25:44,809 --> 00:25:48,512 I hear 150. I don't know what that means, though. 464 00:25:48,514 --> 00:25:51,949 I keep hearing like, "Bobby." 465 00:25:51,951 --> 00:25:56,353 I would assume that it has something to do with being buried alive. 466 00:26:00,959 --> 00:26:04,228 Now that she's dead, she's morphing into this animal 467 00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:06,730 and it's just full of rage. 468 00:26:06,732 --> 00:26:11,969 So I'm thinking as far as, whatever this is, 469 00:26:11,971 --> 00:26:16,674 was not happy about being buried there 470 00:26:16,676 --> 00:26:20,945 and seeking revenge. 471 00:26:20,947 --> 00:26:28,947 I think that that's the only thing, uh, that this thing feels or thinks. 472 00:26:28,988 --> 00:26:34,024 There's no, like, higher thinking processes going on anymore. 473 00:26:34,026 --> 00:26:39,730 It's just an-- Like, this drive, an animalistic drive 474 00:26:39,732 --> 00:26:42,333 which is just anger-motivated. 475 00:26:49,708 --> 00:26:51,675 I saw a lot of disturbing things on my walk, 476 00:26:51,677 --> 00:26:53,978 but two concerned me the most. 477 00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:58,349 First, the animal-like dead girl crawling out of the shallow grave. 478 00:26:59,451 --> 00:27:03,420 I want to show like, her front part as thin. 479 00:27:03,422 --> 00:27:07,091 So, slight built, naked, dirty. 480 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:12,496 Her hair, it's wet and kind of, mucked up with mud. 481 00:27:12,498 --> 00:27:18,736 Next, I described a scene where the old dead woman is waking up a living person. 482 00:27:18,738 --> 00:27:24,942 I want it, so that, the person's in the bed and she's holding their arm. 483 00:27:24,944 --> 00:27:29,013 What she does, is shake them awake that way. 484 00:27:29,948 --> 00:27:33,217 So, she has barrettes in her hair. 485 00:27:40,058 --> 00:27:42,059 Amy, is this what you saw? 486 00:27:43,328 --> 00:27:45,295 Yes, that's what I saw. 487 00:28:04,916 --> 00:28:08,052 [Steve] Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 488 00:28:08,054 --> 00:28:10,721 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 489 00:28:10,723 --> 00:28:12,923 and our clients for the first time. 490 00:28:12,925 --> 00:28:15,826 So guys, I want you to meet Amy. 491 00:28:15,828 --> 00:28:17,661 She's going to be doing the reveal from another room 492 00:28:17,663 --> 00:28:19,963 so she can concentrate on your case 493 00:28:19,965 --> 00:28:21,899 and the dead without any distractions. 494 00:28:21,901 --> 00:28:24,601 Amy, meet Brandy and her fiance, Mark. 495 00:28:24,603 --> 00:28:26,704 They live in the home with their son, Trevor 496 00:28:26,706 --> 00:28:30,974 and this is him right here who's, uh, 29-years-old. 497 00:28:30,976 --> 00:28:33,744 Obviously, we're not there in the home, we're in a local library, 498 00:28:33,746 --> 00:28:36,780 uh, we'll get into why later. 499 00:28:36,782 --> 00:28:40,818 But, you should know that whatever's in the house is ripping this family apart. 500 00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:43,153 And, if we can't find a solution, 501 00:28:43,155 --> 00:28:45,322 you guys really don't think you're gonna make it. Do you? 502 00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:46,723 Yeah. 503 00:28:46,791 --> 00:28:49,727 So, that being said, Amy may have some questions for you, 504 00:28:49,729 --> 00:28:52,029 if not, she'll tell us about her walk. 505 00:28:53,798 --> 00:28:55,833 [Amy] When I first arrived, 506 00:28:55,835 --> 00:29:01,839 I absolutely felt a lot of negative energy. 507 00:29:01,841 --> 00:29:06,076 I initially felt blocked by a living person, who's a telepath. 508 00:29:06,144 --> 00:29:08,078 That would be you. 509 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,481 After that, I go into the house, 510 00:29:10,483 --> 00:29:12,783 and when I walked into the kitchen, 511 00:29:12,785 --> 00:29:17,488 I encountered an elderly woman. 512 00:29:17,490 --> 00:29:24,027 I also encountered her in the back bedroom to the right. 513 00:29:24,029 --> 00:29:25,863 That's Trevor's room. 514 00:29:25,865 --> 00:29:27,798 And then in the main bedroom. 515 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,768 I saw her kind of, running around. 516 00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:36,173 She was in both rooms trying to shake you guys awake, 517 00:29:37,976 --> 00:29:44,448 I was getting that there were consistent nightmares, 518 00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:45,983 uh, being had. 519 00:29:46,351 --> 00:29:48,085 This explained so much. 520 00:29:48,087 --> 00:29:54,024 Brandy tells me that I will actually physically get out of bed, 521 00:29:54,026 --> 00:29:56,527 and then come back and get in bed, 522 00:29:56,529 --> 00:29:58,729 and I have no recollection of it. 523 00:29:58,731 --> 00:30:00,597 Brandy, you keep getting woken up at night, though, right? 524 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:02,733 - [Brandy] Yeah. Many times. - Yeah. 525 00:30:02,735 --> 00:30:05,803 I know sometimes when I wake up well a lot of the times when I wake up, 526 00:30:05,805 --> 00:30:10,941 there's a dark 10-foot tall, shadow person, 527 00:30:10,943 --> 00:30:13,110 uh, hovering over him 528 00:30:13,511 --> 00:30:15,012 in his bed. 529 00:30:15,014 --> 00:30:20,284 I asked Brandy to sketch for me one night, what she sees. 530 00:30:20,286 --> 00:30:24,154 I have it right here, Amy. This is the sketch that Brandy did. 531 00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:27,057 [Amy] Whoa! 532 00:30:27,059 --> 00:30:28,525 I did have a sketch, 533 00:30:28,527 --> 00:30:32,963 uh, of what I saw this old lady doing. 534 00:30:39,270 --> 00:30:42,105 It's an old lady but you might not want to see the sketch. 535 00:30:44,008 --> 00:30:44,975 Wow! 536 00:30:45,910 --> 00:30:47,144 That's crazy. 537 00:30:47,478 --> 00:30:48,645 That's my side of the bed. 538 00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:51,882 That's what your arms do when you're sleeping. 539 00:30:51,884 --> 00:30:54,117 You're fighting something off when you're sleeping. 540 00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:57,187 Brandy tells me that I'm in a defensive position, 541 00:30:57,189 --> 00:31:00,023 like, I'm trying to push somebody away. 542 00:31:00,025 --> 00:31:01,191 [Brandy] He's terrified. 543 00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:02,926 - You've been shoved in bed, right? - [Brandy] Oh yeah. 544 00:31:02,928 --> 00:31:04,661 Tell Amy what was going on with that. 545 00:31:04,663 --> 00:31:07,898 It shoves my... my right shoulder. 546 00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:11,001 Like, "Hey!" Pretty hard. And it rocks me awake. 547 00:31:11,003 --> 00:31:13,036 [Steve] Brandy's also been scratched. 548 00:31:13,038 --> 00:31:17,107 I actually got photos. This is Brandy's scratches. 549 00:31:17,709 --> 00:31:20,377 [Brandy] On my arm there, that was a-- 550 00:31:20,379 --> 00:31:23,313 Almost, like a bruise from the inside out, like a poke. 551 00:31:24,482 --> 00:31:27,517 And Mark, you had scratches on your leg and shoulder, right? 552 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:31,121 - Yes. - [Steve] These are Mark's scratches, as well. 553 00:31:34,125 --> 00:31:35,993 Are these scratches coming from the old woman? 554 00:31:35,995 --> 00:31:37,394 Or you think it's something else? 555 00:31:37,396 --> 00:31:39,196 I think it's something else. 556 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,602 Anything at all about who this woman was when she was alive? 557 00:31:45,604 --> 00:31:50,641 I would put her, like, probably in her late 70s, 558 00:31:50,643 --> 00:31:54,945 she kept talking about the year 1996, 559 00:31:54,947 --> 00:31:59,650 and I felt like she used to live there, 560 00:31:59,652 --> 00:32:05,789 but the house looks very different through her eyes. 561 00:32:05,791 --> 00:32:09,126 She's freaking out, but there was a specific incident 562 00:32:09,128 --> 00:32:12,462 involving a truck pulling up 563 00:32:12,464 --> 00:32:16,733 that she's extremely, uh, upset about, 564 00:32:16,735 --> 00:32:20,904 and it's why she keeps trying to wake everyone up. 565 00:32:20,906 --> 00:32:23,674 In 1996, an elderly woman did live on your property. 566 00:32:23,676 --> 00:32:25,943 Her name was Frances Ruther. 567 00:32:25,945 --> 00:32:29,046 And in 1975, she bought the land with her husband Arnold. 568 00:32:29,048 --> 00:32:31,915 They lived in the house right next to you, 569 00:32:31,917 --> 00:32:34,584 and they used your property for farmland. 570 00:32:34,586 --> 00:32:38,388 Now, they lived there together for about 25 years. 571 00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:44,695 And, in 1994, Arnold suffered a massive heart attack. 572 00:32:44,697 --> 00:32:45,862 Frances called for the ambulance. 573 00:32:45,864 --> 00:32:47,097 She was watching it all happen 574 00:32:47,099 --> 00:32:50,667 and by the time they came and brought him to the hospital, 575 00:32:50,669 --> 00:32:52,736 they announced him D.O.A. at the hospital. 576 00:32:52,738 --> 00:32:54,471 He was probably dead at the house. 577 00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:56,907 Now, you said 1996. 578 00:32:56,909 --> 00:32:58,875 - Hmm. - [Steve] That happens to be the same year 579 00:32:58,877 --> 00:33:02,479 Frances had a new home built on the property. 580 00:33:02,481 --> 00:33:03,780 And that's the house you guys live in. 581 00:33:03,848 --> 00:33:05,749 Oh. 582 00:33:05,751 --> 00:33:09,052 Now, we're not really sure if she actually lived in that house or not, 583 00:33:09,054 --> 00:33:11,488 either way, it seems it was hard on her to stay there, 584 00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:12,823 and she sold the property. 585 00:33:12,825 --> 00:33:15,258 She moved out of town and died in 2008. 586 00:33:15,260 --> 00:33:17,160 She was 84 when she died. 587 00:33:17,162 --> 00:33:21,198 So is it possible Frances could be the woman that's bothering them? 588 00:33:21,933 --> 00:33:23,333 I would say so. 589 00:33:26,604 --> 00:33:28,071 [Steve] What else did you see? 590 00:33:28,073 --> 00:33:33,176 [Amy] So, one of the things I noticed was that there is a lot of anger. 591 00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:41,084 When I walked into the garage it got worse. 592 00:33:41,086 --> 00:33:45,055 I felt the energy of a living male. 593 00:33:46,457 --> 00:33:48,091 Just seeing like, a big guy, 594 00:33:48,093 --> 00:33:49,760 drinking alcohol 595 00:33:49,762 --> 00:33:51,395 and feeling very angry. 596 00:33:52,964 --> 00:33:57,801 Then, I was hearing somebody talking about death 597 00:33:57,803 --> 00:34:00,470 and somebody talking about suicide. 598 00:34:00,472 --> 00:34:02,105 And I saw a gun. 599 00:34:06,844 --> 00:34:09,246 Now's the time to tell you why we're in this library. 600 00:34:09,248 --> 00:34:12,249 Whenever Mark's in the house he goes into rages, 601 00:34:12,251 --> 00:34:13,450 and he's not himself. 602 00:34:13,452 --> 00:34:14,851 [sighs heavily] 603 00:34:14,853 --> 00:34:17,988 Actually, these guys were afraid if we did this in the house, um, 604 00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:20,090 you won't be able to handle whatever you-- 605 00:34:20,792 --> 00:34:22,626 Whatever news you gave him. 606 00:34:22,628 --> 00:34:26,396 Matter of fact, Brandy actually thinks he's possessed. 607 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:30,667 He's started changing. Really changing. 608 00:34:30,669 --> 00:34:35,272 And his eyes get darker and he's just not Mark. 609 00:34:35,540 --> 00:34:37,808 I have to stay away from him. 610 00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:42,212 Whenever I'm at home, I'm on edge, I'm agitated all the time. 611 00:34:42,214 --> 00:34:43,747 It's affecting your marriage. 612 00:34:43,749 --> 00:34:45,982 Yes. Absolutely. 613 00:34:45,984 --> 00:34:47,818 I found something very odd in your area. 614 00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:50,854 Amy, you mentioned suicide and gun. 615 00:34:50,856 --> 00:34:55,892 I found there was five brutal murder-suicides within a ten-year period. 616 00:34:55,894 --> 00:34:59,896 When you got five separate ones in a ten-year period 617 00:34:59,898 --> 00:35:01,164 in an area where hardly anybody lives, 618 00:35:01,166 --> 00:35:02,499 that's a lot. 619 00:35:02,501 --> 00:35:04,201 How far out did you go? 620 00:35:04,203 --> 00:35:06,169 But they were all within a couple of miles of the house. 621 00:35:06,171 --> 00:35:06,670 - [Amy] Really? - Yeah. 622 00:35:06,672 --> 00:35:08,371 Oh, boy. 623 00:35:10,608 --> 00:35:15,979 [Amy] Now, where is this anger coming from? All right. 624 00:35:15,981 --> 00:35:20,784 When I went out back and to the left, 625 00:35:20,786 --> 00:35:26,857 I encountered what I initially thought was an animal, 626 00:35:26,859 --> 00:35:28,859 uh, but I'm like, "Oh, it's not." 627 00:35:28,861 --> 00:35:31,795 It's actually a deceased female. 628 00:35:31,797 --> 00:35:35,799 What I got was that she had been buried, 629 00:35:35,801 --> 00:35:39,536 I think alive and left for dead. 630 00:35:39,538 --> 00:35:43,773 She has become animalistic in nature 631 00:35:43,775 --> 00:35:50,881 because all she's being driven by now is revenge and rage. 632 00:35:50,883 --> 00:35:53,884 I really couldn't get, like, when she died, 633 00:35:53,886 --> 00:35:57,821 I would say 1940 until now. 634 00:35:57,823 --> 00:35:59,089 I got the name Bobby. 635 00:35:59,091 --> 00:36:03,693 And I also heard the number 150. 636 00:36:03,695 --> 00:36:08,298 As far as, this dead woman you saw, uh, you said 1940s and 150. 637 00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:11,902 Now, I came across a pretty tragic story during my research. 638 00:36:11,904 --> 00:36:15,472 But, before I get to that, Amy, you should know a couple of miles behind the house, 639 00:36:15,474 --> 00:36:17,407 is a military base called Fort Lewis. 640 00:36:17,409 --> 00:36:21,645 The base has a wooded area that's become a dumping ground for murder victims. 641 00:36:21,647 --> 00:36:25,515 Nearly a hundred bodies have been recovered from there over the years. 642 00:36:25,517 --> 00:36:29,486 One of them was a 17-year-old girl named Noreen McNicholas. 643 00:36:29,488 --> 00:36:34,824 In November of 1948, she left home to go to school and vanished. 644 00:36:34,826 --> 00:36:37,294 Her body, that was badly decomposed, 645 00:36:37,296 --> 00:36:40,030 was found in a swampy shallow grave. 646 00:36:40,032 --> 00:36:42,933 Autopsy showed that she had been badly beaten and strangled to death. 647 00:36:42,935 --> 00:36:45,468 The case went cold for a few years. 648 00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:50,473 At that time two enlisted men took their dates to the area where Noreen's body was found. 649 00:36:50,475 --> 00:36:53,443 And this is where it gets a little strange. 650 00:36:53,445 --> 00:36:56,913 One of the girls, an 18-year-old named Ella Cooper 651 00:36:56,915 --> 00:37:00,283 started panicking and screamed out, "Noreen, lookout." 652 00:37:00,518 --> 00:37:02,018 Huh? 653 00:37:02,086 --> 00:37:05,855 Luckily, there was a cop nearby and heard that and went over to investigate. 654 00:37:05,857 --> 00:37:08,725 Turns out Ella was with Noreen the day she was murdered. 655 00:37:08,727 --> 00:37:12,829 She said that she and Noreen went to the park with two men. 656 00:37:12,831 --> 00:37:16,099 So, one of the guy's name was Bill Smith and the other guy she only knew was Bob. 657 00:37:16,101 --> 00:37:18,535 Apparently Noreen wasn't interested in Bill. 658 00:37:18,537 --> 00:37:21,004 So he killed her in a jealous rage. 659 00:37:21,006 --> 00:37:23,707 Detectives tracked him down and he was convicted 660 00:37:23,709 --> 00:37:25,508 and sentenced to life in prison. 661 00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:28,778 Now, Ella ended up giving a description of this guy Bob. 662 00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:30,747 It's a big coincidence, but the journalist I spoke to 663 00:37:30,749 --> 00:37:34,384 said the cops got a 150 leads on this guy 664 00:37:34,386 --> 00:37:36,453 but not one of them worked out. 665 00:37:37,855 --> 00:37:41,958 I had a sketch done of how she's now projecting herself. 666 00:37:50,868 --> 00:37:53,203 It's pretty macabre. Uff. 667 00:37:56,173 --> 00:37:57,407 Weird. 668 00:37:59,477 --> 00:38:01,177 Half dog, half human. 669 00:38:01,979 --> 00:38:03,513 That's pretty creepy. 670 00:38:03,515 --> 00:38:07,584 [Amy] You have to understand, she is full of rage. 671 00:38:07,586 --> 00:38:11,121 She's responsible for a lot of the physical attacks in the house 672 00:38:11,123 --> 00:38:14,991 and that's where the anger's coming from, it's from her. 673 00:38:16,927 --> 00:38:18,895 But she's really mad at men, 674 00:38:18,897 --> 00:38:21,898 and I'm worried about what she can do to you. 675 00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:24,901 That could become a very volatile situation 676 00:38:24,903 --> 00:38:29,806 where Mark may harm himself or harm others. 677 00:38:29,808 --> 00:38:33,777 Something's got to be done. I can't... I can't do that. 678 00:38:33,779 --> 00:38:36,012 No. I can't. 679 00:38:38,816 --> 00:38:41,284 I knew it. I knew it was me. 680 00:38:57,768 --> 00:39:02,605 So, now we know what's been attacking both you guys and keeping you up at night. 681 00:39:02,607 --> 00:39:05,809 Mark, now we know what's causing you to fly off the handle. 682 00:39:05,811 --> 00:39:09,946 But, the big question is can you fight back, kick all of that out 683 00:39:09,948 --> 00:39:13,149 and go on living a good normal life? 684 00:39:13,151 --> 00:39:15,418 For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 685 00:39:19,523 --> 00:39:25,862 I don't think that it's particularly safe 686 00:39:25,864 --> 00:39:32,969 for you guys to continue living in that environment. 687 00:39:32,971 --> 00:39:36,639 And the feeling that I got is that 688 00:39:36,641 --> 00:39:41,044 that's going to get progressively worse. 689 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:48,318 So, my suggestion would be for you guys to relocate. 690 00:39:53,924 --> 00:40:00,563 It's heartbreaking to know that there's just no way I can salvage this. 691 00:40:00,565 --> 00:40:03,767 [Steve] Believe me, Amy doesn't want to tell anybody to leave their home. 692 00:40:03,769 --> 00:40:09,038 But it sounds like if you stay there's going to be a problem. 693 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:15,178 And it would be really awesome if you could have a medium 694 00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:18,114 come and help the little lady move on. 695 00:40:18,282 --> 00:40:19,449 Yeah. 696 00:40:20,084 --> 00:40:22,752 That would be awesome. 697 00:40:22,754 --> 00:40:24,421 As far as that dead girl goes, I mean... 698 00:40:25,756 --> 00:40:27,424 [Amy] I'm taking her home. 699 00:40:29,627 --> 00:40:32,462 I'm going to collect her and help her move on. 700 00:40:33,864 --> 00:40:37,233 Okay. So, I know the house means a lot to you guys, 701 00:40:37,235 --> 00:40:41,104 but are you gonna leave it behind and get a fresh start some place else? 702 00:40:42,473 --> 00:40:44,140 Oh, absolutely. 703 00:40:44,142 --> 00:40:45,875 - [Steve] Okay. - [Mark] Absolutely. 704 00:40:45,877 --> 00:40:47,177 - Absolutely. - [Mark] It's-- 705 00:40:47,179 --> 00:40:48,711 It's just a house. 706 00:40:48,713 --> 00:40:51,981 Will they start feeling better like, right away when they move? 707 00:40:51,983 --> 00:40:53,883 - Or is it gonna take a little bit of time? - [Amy] Oh, yeah. 708 00:40:53,885 --> 00:40:56,453 Hmm. Yeah. When they move. Yeah. 709 00:40:56,455 --> 00:40:57,654 You got to be relieved to know 710 00:40:57,656 --> 00:41:00,457 - that he'll be himself once again. - [Brandy] Yes. 711 00:41:00,459 --> 00:41:01,658 - [Steve] At some point. - [Brandy] Yes. 712 00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:03,927 Family's going to come together. [laughs] 713 00:41:03,929 --> 00:41:06,095 [Steve] It's the first time I've seen you two smile since I met you. 714 00:41:06,097 --> 00:41:07,430 [Brandy laughing] 715 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,067 Thank you. 716 00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:13,102 Thank you so much. 717 00:41:13,971 --> 00:41:16,706 [Amy] I feel really bad for Brandy and Mark. 718 00:41:16,708 --> 00:41:20,043 But in a situation as dangerous as this, 719 00:41:20,045 --> 00:41:22,045 I think it's best they leave their home. 720 00:41:22,047 --> 00:41:24,214 Hopefully, they take my advice, 721 00:41:24,216 --> 00:41:26,850 find a medium to move the old lady on, 722 00:41:26,852 --> 00:41:29,285 and get a fresh start somewhere new. 723 00:41:34,191 --> 00:41:36,893 We did have a medium come out... 724 00:41:36,895 --> 00:41:38,661 Who helped move Frances on. 725 00:41:38,663 --> 00:41:41,397 He also helped me with my chakras. 726 00:41:41,399 --> 00:41:44,901 The anger isn't nearly as prevalent like it was before. 727 00:41:44,903 --> 00:41:48,771 And we're looking into the housing market and keeping up on that. 728 00:41:48,773 --> 00:41:52,876 So that we can hopefully find a new home. 729 00:41:52,878 --> 00:41:56,980 So, we just wanted to say thank you very much for coming out. 730 00:41:56,982 --> 00:41:58,448 Thank you very much. 731 00:41:58,450 --> 00:42:00,016 You guys are wonderful.