[Amy] Something horrible is going on.
- [door creaking] - This person is seeing dead people
being around the bed.
The thing got in bed with me, and put their arm around me.
What do you think is here?
I think there's a demon here.
It is taking pieces of them.
There was even some reports of people doing some weird... rituals out here.
- This thing is very bad. - Go pack your stuff now.
[Amy whispering] I don't like it in here.
Bad, bad, bad, bad.
It wants the person dead.
My name is Amy Allan. [moans] I see dead people.
I saw a winged creature.
I speak to dead people. And they speak to me.
This person feels like a monster.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
They are sucking the life out of these people.
- I rely on my partner. - I'm Steve DiSchiavi.
I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.
So, how many bodies we talkin'?
And I know every person, every house...
has secrets. It's my job to reveal them.
- But Steve and I never speak. - We never communicate during an investigation.
Until the very end.
Ooh. You're not gonna like this.
- [crying] - When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...
[sobbing] I'm sorry. I need to take a break.
- Or time to get out. - It wants inside the house because it wants to kill you.
[gasps]
[ominous music playing]
[Steve] I'm in Oxnard, California. It's a beachside city
about an hour and a half from Los Angeles.
A woman named, Kelley, called me in. She sounded bad.
She thinks whatever's in the house, killed her husband and her father.
And she's convinced it's still out for blood.
I need help. I want to cleanse this house because honestly I can't...
[inhales deeply] I can't take any more of it.
[Steve] Hopefully, Amy and I can help before anyone else gets hurt.
[Amy] This interesting place...
I don't like it.
[door opens]
This is a not good area.
Ugh!
[whispering] I do... I don't like it in here.
I don't know why.
Oof. Bad, bad, bad, bad.
Bad, bad, bad, bad!
[Steve] Kelley, glad I'm here, 'cause when we spoke on the phone,
- you sounded pretty angry. - Correct.
So, what's going on?
Whatever's in this house, I feel like it's gonna eventually kill me.
I feel like it's killed my...
father and my late husband.
That's pretty strong of a statement that you're telling me.
- Mmm-hmm. - Let's start with your father.
Uh... Why do you say that?
Because... The way he died.
[Kelley] How it happened. He was like me and you talking. Happy, laughing.
Carrying on with his life.
And then, he got the diagnosis,
and basically, he went upstairs one evening, and I couldn't wake him up.
So, he passed away in the house?
- Correct. - So what was the diagnosis?
Lymphoma cancer.
- Okay, how old was he? - He was 89 years old.
Okay.
Your late husband... Tell me what happened there.
Found him dead in the bedroom.
- [Steve] Okay, how old was he? - [Kelley] Forty-five.
Forty-five-year-old men don't just drop dead.
He died of an overdose.
Okay, I lost a brother to an overdose.
And I found him. I know what that's like. It's not easy to deal with.
- And I'm sorry that did happen to you. - Thank you.
You feel that paranormal here influenced him to start using again?
Yes, I do.
[Kelley] He had been clean and sober for about a year.
[Steve] You look real happy in this photo.
Yeah...
How long have you lived here?
-I was born and raised here. Then, I moved away. -Okay.
And then I came back about eight years ago.
Okay. Who all lives in the house, Kelley?
My daughter, Sara. She's 15. My mother, she's 71.
And myself.
So, let me ask you a question. I noticed that you had a bed set up in the living room.
- I'm assuming that's for your mom. - [Kelley] Correct.
She had a stroke about eight years ago.
How bad is her health right now?
Well, she...
can't walk. She's paralyzed.
Completely on her left side.
- Okay. - Her mind isn't as sharp as it used to be.
Lately, the last couple weeks, she's actually has said
that my father and her father
has been visiting her.
I asked her, "What did they say?
Why are they here?"
And she said that they just came to tell her
that everything's gonna be okay.
What do you take from that?
She's gonna be checking out pretty soon.
How you holding up with that?
I just try to be strong and not cry. I don't wanna, you know...
I guess, show that I'm weak. Because whatever's here,
my full, strong belief is that
it gets a kick out of that. Out of my emotion.
And I can't show that.
What do you think is here?
I think there's a demon here.
Why not just walk away from this madness that's going on here?
My, uh, father built this house.
- Okay. - I was born in this house.
And out of respect for my father, I wanna stay here and fight.
I can understand that.
[Amy] I feel very, uh, drained in here.
[ominous music playing]
There's like, this little woman. Petite. Very thin, like,
gray-white hair.
Just like, no energy. Frail, confused.
She goes in and outta here. I'm wondering, like, is she... still alive?
Or did she die?
She's so heavy with, like, confusion and like,
lot of nausea associated with her, too.
Very sick.
I keep hearing "78" with her.
Um... I'm assuming this is her age?
And I do feel something, potentially with her heart.
Yeah, I think the living would certainly get sick in here.
I gotta get out. I got, I gotta out this... room.
Like it... [groans]
[Steve] Why'd you bring me into this room?
- This is where my father passed. - Okay.
How long ago did your father pass?
A year ago.
- Okay, so he was in bed here? - Yes.
Basically, he came up from downstairs,
came to bed and really, kind of, never woke up.
Okay, but you were here in the room when he passed?
- Correct. - I'm curious, though.
Do you think he's still here at all?
- I don't believe so. - Okay.
You like that he's not here? Or you wish he was?
- No. He... needs to be where he needs to be. - Right. Okay.
[Amy] There's an older male here.
Feel like a heart attack with him.
I'm assuming he lived here at some point.
I don't know if he owned this house, or if it was family?
He seems fairly recent.
Maybe the 90s or, uh, 2000s.
He seems frustrated. He wants out.
- He doesn't like it. - [low growling noise]
I think he's pissed. He's just upset.
I, I don't know. He's an angry guy.
[Amy] He likes it outside.
Out back. Uh, he feels like he's been pushed out.
He's just like, "Everything's gone to [bleep]"
[Steve] So, what if any experiences, are you having in the house?
Right after my dad died, I heard... his voice.
Saying, "I'm cold. I am cold."
So, "I'm cold." Does that mean anything to you?
That's what he had told me before he was dying.
And you're confident it was your father's voice?
I'm confident it was his voice, but it was not him.
It was demonic.
That's actually when I knew then and there, that this thing is...
Straight up evil.
All right, so, anything else?
I see shadow figures throughout the house.
All right. So, give me an example.
One time, I was sleeping in Sara's room.
Then I woke up.
To some large shadow standing over me.
So how big are we talkin'?
- I feel about this tall. - Okay.
About ye wide.
It was touching me like, here.
- [Steve] Caressing you? - Yep. Just doing this.
Oh. What else is going on?
Well, I have dreams about this demon-looking thing.
And I, I just call it a "thing."
- Can you describe it for me? - Yes.
He crawls on all fours, his body's bruised all over.
-All right. -And his face is kinda... disfigured.
So, in your dream when you see this "thing",
- does it appear like it wants to hurt you? - Yes.
And in, in what way?
Physically, mentally, emotionally.
I honestly don't know how you live in here.
Me neither.
[Amy] I'm seeing that old, dying woman.
And she's looking in the mirror and talking to herself?
I think she opened some sort of gateway.
[Amy] I got this thing. It looks burned.
Or really old or both. Kept trying to absorb my energy.
I think that thing can come and go through the mirror.
There're also random dead people coming out of the mirrors.
So, I'm thinking these aren't the best people.
I think the living would seal that intention, that negative, darkness.
Their energy's being sucked.
- [Matthew] The living? - Yeah.
So they're being drained.
The dead people in the mirror are taking their energy.
Now, the scary thing there is that when that's happening, when the dead are doing this,
it's not only just the person's energy, it's like,
their personality, their memories.
[Amy] This is negative and bad.
[Steve] So, Jennifer, I understand you used to live here.
- Yes. - Talking to your mom,
she's convinced that the paranormal killed your grandfather,
killed her late husband, and is lookin' to kill somebody else in this home.
- Hmm. - I wanna know what you think about her,
or is she overreacting with what she's thinking?
No, I don't think she's overreacting at all.
I'm worried something's gonna happen to her.
Okay, so, I gotta assume you've had experiences here.
I have. There's something here that's...
makes people angry, and fight.
Me and my husband, we would start fighting, arguing.
- Was that the cause of you moving away from here? - Yeah.
I had to get out of this house, 'cause I felt like this house was just...
Destroying the marriage, really.
Okay, so, anything else?
I was actually living in here, at the time.
In this room. My son was sick all night.
He was about... maybe five, six months old.
So, now I was just, you know, I was trying to comfort him.
But right when I did that, I literally got punched in my back.
You realize how dangerous that was,
you holding a newborn and getting punched like that?
Yes, it was very dangerous.
Okay, so, that was pretty intense. Anything else?
Um, one time I was washing, um, my son's bottles in the kitchen.
- [Steve] Okay. - [Jennifer] And there's a...
A window above the sink. I happen to glance up.
And I seen an older lady
in like, a vintage night gown.
It scared the crap out of me.
If you saw a photo, or a portrait,
- you think you'd recognize her? - [Jennifer] Yes, actually,
me and my mom were going through old family photos one time,
and I was like,
"Who is this? This is the lady who I've seen standing behind me."
- So, who was it? - It was actually my, my mom's grandma.
- So, your great-grandmother. - Mmm-hmm.
Interesting.
[Amy] I see a woman. But she's like a [bleep] shadow woman.
Shadow woman is very present in here.
She's coming from outside.
[Amy] If living people see her, they see a shadow person.
She has a, has a dark side.
Like, I see her getting angry and yelling.
And when she doesn't get her way, she... she's got a violent temper.
I see her banging on the walls.
- Banging on the bed. - [thudding]
[Amy shudders] Ugh. God...
So, Sara, this is a pretty cool room.
Thank you.
Would you rather move from here? Or, or...
Would you rather stay if we can fix it?
I like living here. But if we have to move, I wouldn't mind it.
How about experiences that you've had?
Can you tell me about 'em?
I just, honestly, have the worst nightmares.
So, tell me about some of them.
I've had some where, like,
I'm being held down and I can't move.
- Right. - Or like, I'm being choked.
Like, a lot of them would just be like, like, I'm being, like, suffocated.
I mean, just thinking about that scared me.
- Yeah. - [Steve] I'm trying to breathe.
So, do you wake up, and, from all this anxiety?
Yeah, I wake up like, really, really scared.
- So, you laugh when you're nervous, right? - [chuckles nervously] Yes.
[Steve] I could see that. Okay.
- So you're nervous right now? - [chuckles] Yeah, I don't like talking about that.
[Steve] Ah... Okay.
All right, what else is going on?
One time, I was laying in bed right here, and...
something came in and walked around to the other side of the bed.
And then got into bed with me, and put their arm around me.
And then got up, and walked out.
Did you think you were dreaming?
No. 'Cause this was like, very, very for real.
- I don't want that to happen to you ever again. - [Sara] Mmm-mmm.
Because, if it can do that, who, you know, who knows what else it can do.
[Amy] Feel attacks happening.
This is an actual living person who's getting, like, attacked.
This person is seeing...
Dead people.
I believe coming out the closet.
I just see a bunch of people coming out the closet,
being around the bed.
So, I think this person's a medium, and they just opened up
vortex, or something in their closet.
And so, dead people are coming in.
[Amy] That thing. The one that I saw coming through the mirror,
they see it. And I think, that scares them the most.
And then it comes down on the bed.
[Matthew] So what does it look like?
[Amy] It's pretty big.
The skin is weird. The skin's like, burned.
Or like, mummified. Kind of like a gray-brown color.
And it's got really long hands.
Super skinny, and not anatomically correct.
[Matthew] Is this thing...
Dangerous... the living?
- Yeah, because it can take energy. - [Matthew] What can it do?
It is taking pieces of them.
It's taking their memory and that's kind of breaking them down mentally.
So, it's like a [bleep] monster, really.
[Steve] It wasn't hard to figure out where to start this investigation.
There's an old cemetery right by Kelley's house.
In fact, you could see it from her kitchen.
So I called a local author who says the place has a long and sad history
that I'm definitely gonna wanna know about.
[Steve] So, Connie, I gotta thank you for helping me out with this case
and meeting me here.
This cemetery looks pretty run down. Um...
What can you tell me about it?
- [Connie] Well, this is the Masonic Hueneme Cemetery. - [Steve] Okay.
It was established in 1898.
You can't tell by the way it looks now, but it was once a lush cemetery.
[Steve] All right. So, this place has been here over 120 years,
it sounds like. So, who built it?
The original board of directors- Winfield Saviers...
- Okay. - a banker named Achilles Levy.
[Steve] Okay.
And a former senator, Thomas Bard.
[Connie] You probably saw some of these names on the street signs around town.
Actually, I have. So, some of those names you mentioned to me,
are those people buried here at all?
Yes, they are. The Saviers family is actually located over there.
- [Steve] Okay. - And, uh, their young son,
Jack, is also buried right there.
[Steve] Okay, so any idea how many people are buried here?
Originally, it was 360 plus.
- Okay. - Um, but the current owner says it's more like 50 to 60.
All right, so, what happened to the rest of those bodies?
In 1908, they separated the cemetery.
Over there, they separated the Japanese.
There's about 140 people buried in that cemetery.
And, along the tree line, are burials of Mexican-Americans.
[Steve] Okay, so if I got this right, they didn't want any white people buried
in the same cemetery with Japanese or Mexican people as well?
That is correct.
Not for nothing, but this place is a mess.
I mean, is, is anybody even being buried here anymore?
No, the last burial was in 1949.
- Okay. - Since then, there's been vandalism going on,
people have stolen headstones.
And there was even some reports of people doing some weird rituals out here.
- Really? - Yes.
But yet, names of these people that are buried here are all over the city?
- Correct. - But they don't think twice about their resting site?
Yeah, that's... It's a shame.
[Amy] I get to this cemetery area and I see this huge hole.
And I had to fight, like, to try to keep myself
from being sucked into the hole.
And it's dark, and it's negative, and it takes people,
or rather, their energy down.
[Amy] This is negative and bad.
[Steve] Connie mentioned that one of the graves belonged to a kid
from a prominent family here.
So I called the local history teacher, who says that's true.
And that the boy's death was a tragic fluke accident.
[Steve] Well, Chris, I appreciate you coming out
- and helping me out with this case. - [seagull squawks]
Before we get to this kid's tragic death,
this prominent family... What can you tell me about them?
The Saviers. Saviers have been here for over 100 years.
- Okay. - A powerful family.
During your research of this family,
did anything stand out with them that might help my case?
Yeah, the, uh, matriarch of the family.
Um, Charlotte, stands out.
- She, uh, was from Massachusetts. - Okay.
And she came through Iowa in 1880s.
And she married, uh, Charles Saviers in 1888.
- Here in California? - Here in California.
And what's more interesting about that is that it was a shotgun wedding.
Okay, so back in those days, that had to be a big deal. Pretty scandalous, right?
Yeah, it is pretty scandalous at the time.
Uh, it just doesn't happen.
All right, so they obviously had one child. Did they have any more?
Well, they had a total of four.
In this 1900 census, it shows that, four children.
All right. So, who's this kid, Jack, buried by my client's house?
He is the only child
of her son, Walter, and his wife, Margaret.
So, what happened to this kid, Jack?
[Chris] Uh, that is pretty sad.
Jack is at his grandmother's
and grandfather's house playing around a wagon.
And the wagon has bales of hay in it.
Two fall off, crush his skull and break his arm.
How old was he?
- [Chris] Four years old. - Ah, jeez.
All right, so when did this happen?
Happened in 1918.
Did he die instantly?
He died a week later on February 1st, 1918. Here's an article on it.
- [Steve] So this poor kid suffered for a week. - [Chris] Oh, yes.
[Steve] So talking about Charlotte, that's her grandchild, and...
It happened on their property. She must've been... You know,
- destroyed from the guilt. - Yeah, she has to be devastated.
That family, it had to tear them apart.
It just goes to show that if you got money and you're powerful,
it doesn't stop a tragedy like this from happening.
No.
[Amy] I'm seeing the shadow woman again.
She, you know, came form back east.
From the east, she went to the Dakotas and then she walked here.
She said she slept her way here
- and she was laughing. - [distant laughing]
So I kind of think she was like a hooker.
The year 1918 is very important for her.
Like, I feel, like, horrible. Something horrible is going on.
[objects jingling]
[shudders] I'm scared.
[humming] I am scared.
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[Steve] So far, I've got a client who thinks the paranormal
killed her father and her husband on a property near a vandalized cemetery
where strange rituals were done.
But I want to see if there's anything else.
Searching through old records, I find a brutal triple murder
that happened just down the road from Kelley's house.
I've reached out to a retired detective.
He looked into this homicide for me and says
the senseless triple murder was about two things, revenge and money.
So, Mike, I appreciate you helping me out with this case.
This homicide, who were the players?
So you have an Oxnard ranch family.
- Okay. - Uh, Swiss immigrant, Peter Furrer,
- his wife, Bertha-- - Okay.
And they have an infant daughter, Virginia, ten months old.
What'd you find out about these people in general?
- I mean, what's their story? - Well, the ranch, actually, was pretty successful.
- Uh, Peter employed a number of ranch hands. - Okay.
Uh, one of those ranch hands was named Louis Fortene.
Uh, unfortunately, Louis was not a good ranch hand and Peter ended up firing him.
All right, I see where this might be going. What happened?
As a active revenge, he went and cashed a $250 check
in, uh, Peter's name.
All right, so what happens next?
Couple weeks go by and he gets real nervous about getting caught.
So he comes back to the ranch, he finds Peter in the barn
and proceeds to find a metal pipe
and hit him over the head with it and kill him.
[Steve] So what's he do after that?
Well, he decides that there are some more loose ends,
so he goes into the house and he finds Bertha and he hits her over the head
with the same metal pipe and kills her as well.
Okay, so now we got the baby left.
Yes, and, unfortunately, uh, he didn't know what to do with the baby,
so he decided that he was going to end her life as well.
- [Steve sighs] - Same metal pipe.
- And she's ten months old, right? - [Mike] Yes.
[Steve] This sick [bleep]. He doesn't know what to do with the kid
and he just kills her.
Like, this ten-month-old's gonna identify him.
Absolutely, yeah, I have all three death certificates here as well for the family.
Uh, all indicating death by homicide with a metal pipe.
[Steve] So the cause of death is the same for all three of them.
[Mike] Correct.
So he comes back later though, he decides he's not finished.
So he brings a can of kerosene with him.
He moves all three family members into one room
and then he spreads out the kerosene and proceeds to light the house on fire.
All right, so they track this guy down?
Tracked him down, brought him in for questioning
and under a question by the sheriff, he admits to all three homicides.
Did he go to trial or did he just plea out?
Went to trial and was found guilty.
Sentenced him to death by hanging.
All right, so he's found guilty and sent away, where'd he go?
He went to San Quentin. I have his mugshot right here.
[Steve] Wow, I can't believe you got this mugshot from 1916.
Look at the dates.
[Mike] The crime committed in March, 1916. Hung in the gallows that July.
That was the justice system back then.
What a piece of [bleep], huh?
I'm hearing, like, a man, just, like... Barking.
[exhales] I'm, like, scared. I'm scared, I'm scared, I'm scared.
[exclaims]
- Something about a fire. - [fire sizzling]
Like a little piece of this person just left.
I think that the living would feel this panic and fear,
like they're being watched around in here.
And feeling stalked and, uh, feeling a lot of pain.
Like a pain, a horrible pain in my side.
Pain in my neck.
Um... Pain in my jaw.
So what exactly might the living pick up off of this pain?
Sudden, like, stabbing feeling in the side.
[knife slicing]
Horrible neck pain, horrible jaw pain.
[groans] God, and back, yeah. Wicked, wicked back pain.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, like wicked all through here.
Horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible.
I saw several horrifying things on my walk, but two stood out.
First, the dead guy who got pushed out to the backyard.
He was, like, bald on top. Late 70s, early 80s.
Moustache, uh, so pretty thick.
Does he have any markings or scars on his face?
It seems like he had rough skin on his, uh, cheeks.
Next, I described the thing climbing into bed with the living woman.
Its skin is strange. It looks gray.
It's got abnormally long limbs.
Definitely like an elongated skull.
Amy, is this what you saw?
Yes, that's what I saw.
[indistinct whispering]
[crickets chirping]
[Steve] Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,
we're ready to reveal our findings to each other
and our clients for the first time.
So, guys, this is Amy. She's gonna be doing the reveal from another room
where she can concentrate on your case and the dead without any distraction.
Amy, meet Kelley. Uh, she's the one that called us in.
She lives here with her 71-year-old mom
who, unfortunately, is not doing too well health wise,
and her 15-year-old daughter Sara.
This is Jennifer, one of Kelley's other daughters.
She grew up here and got the hell out
because of all the stuff that was going on.
And she wishes the rest of the family would do the same actually.
So unless Amy's got some questions for you, she'll tell us about her walk.
So I have to say that this was a very active walk.
The first thing that I want to discuss is the deceased woman.
She did have an accent. She told me she was from back east.
She had traveled to, first, apparently, the Dakotas.
And then she kind of said that she, um, slept her way here.
I took that as her potentially being a prostitute.
She did mention a few times the year 1918.
The living may see her, uh, in the shadow form.
The problem is that she actually does have a dark side.
Basically, if she doesn't get her way,
uh, that's when she kind of lashes out and becomes a bit violent.
I see her banging on the walls, banging on the bed.
You did tell me about seeing shadows.
Yes, standing over me while I was sleeping
and have been, you know, physically touched.
What about the banging noises? Does that make any sense to you?
Sure does.
The bed, it would move, shake.
So that shadow woman you're talking about
reminds me of a woman that I came across in my research.
Her name was Charlotte and she was originally from New England.
Now she came here to California in the 1880s by way of Iowa.
In 1888, she married into the Saviers family.
- Wow. - [Steve] Now, they're one of the most
prominent families in town.
Uh, I don't know if you know this, but there's signs
all over the place with their name on it.
Now, the shadow woman told you she might've slept her way here,
I think what she might've meant
was that she had to have a shotgun wedding back in 1888.
And back then, that was scandalous.
Now you also mentioned the year 1918 which was very important to her.
So in late January of that year,
uh, her four-year-old grandson was playing on the farm.
All of a sudden, two bales of hay came crushing down and landed on the kid.
Fractured his skull, kid was only four years old
and he died eventually about a week later.
He's actually buried at the cemetery
that you could throw a rock at from here.
- Oh, what? - Yeah.
What kind of cemetery is it?
It's a mess, it's in disrepair.
There's headstones everywhere missing.
They think satanic groups might've been in there doing some rituals.
Oh.
[crickets chirping]
[Steve] Okay, what else?
The next dead person that I came into contact with
was, initially, in the living room.
It's, like, the back of the house.
He is actually pretty recent. I would've said 1990s or 2000s.
I got that he died suddenly. I think from a heart attack.
And he's very upset and very frustrated.
So now he hangs out mostly in the backyard.
Right, so Amy, now's probably a good time to tell you why Kelley called us in.
She believes that the house has already killed two people she loves.
Now, the first, that was her husband, Ruben, who passed away
here in the house in 2007.
I have a photo of Ruben and... Kelley.
[Kelley] He, uh, was a recovering addict.
He ended up using, he had been clean for quite awhile.
And he overdosed.
In one of the back bedrooms.
Now the second death, um, was last year and that was, uh, Kelley's dad.
Now he was 89,
so I'm not so sure it had something to do with the paranormal.
She's convinced that paranormal had a lot to do with it.
He wasn't your typical 89-year-old man.
Ah, got it.
I actually have a picture of her dad
and this is your late brother, as well, right?
Correct.
Oh.
Okay, I had a sketch done of the person that I saw.
Okay.
[papers rustling]
Holy [bleep]. Um...
Tell me who you think this looks like.
It kind of looks like Danny.
- [Steve] Danny was your brother, correct? - Yes.
[Steve] Can you tell Amy the circumstances with him passing?
He passed away of a heart attack at the age of 55.
[Steve] Now how long ago was that?
Eleven months after my husband died.
- [Steve] So 2008? - Ah, 2008, yes.
Amy, you thinking her brother's still here?
Yes.
So the next person I'm going to talk about is an older female.
Mmm.
[Amy] This female may not be deceased.
She may be in the dying process.
So I was confused on if she was dead or dying.
I kept hearing 78 with her.
- She seemed very frail and confused. - Oh, my God.
I got some things also going on with the heart.
Uh, and there's a lot of nausea associated with her.
You guys think what I'm thinking?
My mother, um, is 71 years old.
She went in for open heart surgery
and suffered a stroke on the operating table.
Is she mentally okay?
Yeah, no, she's not.
Okay.
All right, so, Amy, we're pretty convinced
it's Kelley's mom, who's alive, that you're dealing with here.
- Yeah. - [Amy] I'm sorry.
[Steve] I hate to even ask, but what else?
Now this is where things get a little unusual.
I saw a woman who was younger.
She looked like your mother, but younger.
Looking into a mirror with a candle
and I, she was saying something into the mirror and I could not hear it.
When she did that, she inadvertently opened up a doorway through the mirror.
And now there's quite a few dead people that kind of hang out in the mirrors.
This is very concerning because they can draw energy in from you, okay?
And that's what makes them negative, all right?
You guys may see people when you look in the mirrors
or you may catch people in movement out of the corner of your eyes.
Concerning any mirror in the house.
So you saw a reflection in the window.
Yes, I was washing baby bottles and I was looking down
and I had, like, glanced up above, you know, the window.
And I seen this old lady, she was standing on this side, right behind me.
I totally got creeped out. I was like, "Hell no."
[Steve] Tell Amy how you were able to find out who this woman was that you saw.
We were looking through old family photos one time,
and I happen to see that lady that I seen standing behind me.
And I asked my mom who that was
and she had mentioned that that was her grandma.
- So your great-grandmother. - Yes.
Was she ever in the house?
Oh, yeah. She was there, like, every day.
The thing that worried me was what I did see coming out of the mirror.
I just called it the thing.
It can come and go, never alive.
Very bizarre-looking. Its skin was like, uh, burned-looking.
This thing is no good.
Very bad.
It also takes energy like the bad dead people, but more so.
Tell her about being lethargic.
I feel like that all the time. Tired, drained.
Energy sucked out of me.
The other thing that it's doing is it can pick pieces of your personality out
and also your memories.
- So when she said the thing-- - Uh-huh.
You and I kind of looked at each other.
Well, that's exactly what I call it. The thing.
Exactly.
- Are you having any memory problems? - [Kelley] Yes.
You guys kind of looked at each other
when Amy mentioned about taking a piece of people's personalities.
What was that about?
-What's up, Jennifer? Don't hold back. -[Jennifer laughs]
Well, she's totally different when she's here. Totally different.
She's not herself. Like, she gets mad very easily.
[crickets chirping]
When I walked upstairs, I went into the bedroom to the right.
That's Sara's room.
[Amy] The female, living female, that I got in there,
I feel has abilities.
Because of her abilities, there's actually another vortex in the closet.
So what I saw going on up there, were the dead coming from the closet
surrounding the bed of this person, this female.
These are dead people who want help.
But the problem is I saw the thing there, too, and it changed
and it became much smaller and it was crawling
- into the bed with this person. - [Kelley cries]
I did have a sketch done of what I saw happening up there.
[papers rustling]
[exhales] You're not gonna like seeing this.
That's really sad.
[indistinct whispering]
Creepy, it's creepy.
Sara told you a story about something and crawling into her bed with her.
Well, she came in, told me in the morning, she asked me,
"Hey, by any chance, did you get in bed with me?"
And I said, "No, I didn't."
That's not good.
I'm speechless, to be honest with you. I...
You wanted her to move out, get the hell out of here.
- Now you must really want her to leave. - Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
[Jennifer] Yes, I do.
Go pack your stuff now.
[indistinct whispering]
[Steve] Well, I can't remember the last time Amy's seen so much stuff in one house.
Clearly, it's a good thing you guys called us in.
Now the question is is there anything you can do to fight back
and keep the house in your family?
Well, for that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
[Amy] You can stay.
But there's a lot, a lot of things that need to be done
and on a consistent basis for you to be able to stay here in peace.
I'm going to bring in a group of sensitives, including some mediums.
The first thing that needs to happen is for your brother to be moved on comfortably.
That'll go fairly quickly because he is very ready to go.
[Steve] So, Amy, do you think the house had anything to do
with the death of Kelley's father and husband?
[Amy] No.
Okay.
The second thing that needs to happen is the large vortex
where this thing, uh, is coming in and out of the mirrors,
needs to be shut and severed and sealed.
So once that's done, they will seal the other vortex upstairs.
- In Sara's room. - [Amy] Yes.
Closing these vortexes will keep the dead and the thing
from coming inside your home.
Next, there needs to be a barrier, uh, placed around the house.
Get a large bag of salt and take that around the yard where your land ends.
The shadow woman is going to be pushed out,
uh, past your, uh, property line.
Uh, so she won't be able to get back in,
once this barrier's put around.
I want the barrier redone every two weeks for a year.
Well, that's a hell of a list.
Is this worth you staying here?
- Yes. - [Steve] It is.
Yes.
But you would rather see Mom leave.
- [Jennifer] Of course. - Yeah.
- Uh-huh. - [Steve] Yeah.
- But... She's not, so just got to live with it, I guess. - [Steve] Yeah.
- Mothers are stubborn. - [Jennifer] Mmm-hmm.
[Amy] I really hope Kelley follows my advice by moving her brother on
and closing the vortexes inside her home.
Once she does that, she can put a barrier around her property
and live peacefully in the house her father built for many years to come.
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