1 00:00:09,609 --> 00:00:12,845 [Amy] Something horrible is going on. 2 00:00:12,847 --> 00:00:16,382 - [door creaking] - This person is seeing dead people 3 00:00:16,384 --> 00:00:18,717 being around the bed. 4 00:00:18,719 --> 00:00:22,688 The thing got in bed with me, and put their arm around me. 5 00:00:22,690 --> 00:00:23,922 What do you think is here? 6 00:00:23,924 --> 00:00:25,324 I think there's a demon here. 7 00:00:25,326 --> 00:00:28,394 It is taking pieces of them. 8 00:00:29,896 --> 00:00:34,800 There was even some reports of people doing some weird... rituals out here. 9 00:00:34,802 --> 00:00:38,203 - This thing is very bad. - Go pack your stuff now. 10 00:00:39,773 --> 00:00:41,006 [Amy whispering] I don't like it in here. 11 00:00:41,008 --> 00:00:43,008 Bad, bad, bad, bad. 12 00:00:43,843 --> 00:00:45,911 It wants the person dead. 13 00:00:45,913 --> 00:00:49,148 My name is Amy Allan. [moans] I see dead people. 14 00:00:49,150 --> 00:00:51,850 I saw a winged creature. 15 00:00:51,852 --> 00:00:56,388 I speak to dead people. And they speak to me. 16 00:00:56,390 --> 00:00:58,557 This person feels like a monster. 17 00:00:58,559 --> 00:01:01,527 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 18 00:01:01,529 --> 00:01:05,531 They are sucking the life out of these people. 19 00:01:05,533 --> 00:01:08,400 - I rely on my partner. - I'm Steve DiSchiavi. 20 00:01:08,402 --> 00:01:10,402 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 21 00:01:10,404 --> 00:01:11,837 So, how many bodies we talkin'? 22 00:01:11,839 --> 00:01:14,573 And I know every person, every house... 23 00:01:14,575 --> 00:01:17,843 has secrets. It's my job to reveal them. 24 00:01:17,845 --> 00:01:21,914 - But Steve and I never speak. - We never communicate during an investigation. 25 00:01:21,916 --> 00:01:22,614 Until the very end. 26 00:01:22,616 --> 00:01:24,616 Ooh. You're not gonna like this. 27 00:01:24,618 --> 00:01:26,552 - [crying] - When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 28 00:01:26,554 --> 00:01:30,155 [sobbing] I'm sorry. I need to take a break. 29 00:01:30,157 --> 00:01:34,193 - Or time to get out. - It wants inside the house because it wants to kill you. 30 00:01:34,195 --> 00:01:35,027 [gasps] 31 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:44,002 [ominous music playing] 32 00:01:46,906 --> 00:01:49,741 [Steve] I'm in Oxnard, California. It's a beachside city 33 00:01:49,743 --> 00:01:51,343 about an hour and a half from Los Angeles. 34 00:01:51,345 --> 00:01:55,614 A woman named, Kelley, called me in. She sounded bad. 35 00:01:55,616 --> 00:01:58,750 She thinks whatever's in the house, killed her husband and her father. 36 00:01:58,752 --> 00:02:01,687 And she's convinced it's still out for blood. 37 00:02:01,689 --> 00:02:05,491 I need help. I want to cleanse this house because honestly I can't... 38 00:02:05,493 --> 00:02:07,826 [inhales deeply] I can't take any more of it. 39 00:02:07,828 --> 00:02:11,263 [Steve] Hopefully, Amy and I can help before anyone else gets hurt. 40 00:02:19,806 --> 00:02:21,340 [Amy] This interesting place... 41 00:02:22,408 --> 00:02:23,408 I don't like it. 42 00:02:23,877 --> 00:02:25,310 [door opens] 43 00:02:25,312 --> 00:02:28,280 This is a not good area. 44 00:02:29,916 --> 00:02:31,316 Ugh! 45 00:02:32,752 --> 00:02:34,286 [whispering] I do... I don't like it in here. 46 00:02:35,054 --> 00:02:36,755 I don't know why. 47 00:02:36,757 --> 00:02:37,656 Oof. Bad, bad, bad, bad. 48 00:02:37,658 --> 00:02:40,159 Bad, bad, bad, bad! 49 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:49,067 [Steve] Kelley, glad I'm here, 'cause when we spoke on the phone, 50 00:02:49,069 --> 00:02:52,004 - you sounded pretty angry. - Correct. 51 00:02:52,006 --> 00:02:53,405 So, what's going on? 52 00:02:53,407 --> 00:02:56,742 Whatever's in this house, I feel like it's gonna eventually kill me. 53 00:02:56,744 --> 00:02:58,544 I feel like it's killed my... 54 00:02:58,546 --> 00:03:01,880 father and my late husband. 55 00:03:01,882 --> 00:03:05,784 That's pretty strong of a statement that you're telling me. 56 00:03:05,786 --> 00:03:07,786 - Mmm-hmm. - Let's start with your father. 57 00:03:07,788 --> 00:03:09,254 Uh... Why do you say that? 58 00:03:09,256 --> 00:03:12,724 Because... The way he died. 59 00:03:12,726 --> 00:03:16,962 [Kelley] How it happened. He was like me and you talking. Happy, laughing. 60 00:03:16,964 --> 00:03:18,297 Carrying on with his life. 61 00:03:18,299 --> 00:03:21,600 And then, he got the diagnosis, 62 00:03:21,602 --> 00:03:26,171 and basically, he went upstairs one evening, and I couldn't wake him up. 63 00:03:26,806 --> 00:03:28,874 So, he passed away in the house? 64 00:03:28,876 --> 00:03:30,576 - Correct. - So what was the diagnosis? 65 00:03:30,578 --> 00:03:32,010 Lymphoma cancer. 66 00:03:32,012 --> 00:03:35,247 - Okay, how old was he? - He was 89 years old. 67 00:03:35,615 --> 00:03:36,648 Okay. 68 00:03:37,083 --> 00:03:40,052 Your late husband... Tell me what happened there. 69 00:03:40,887 --> 00:03:42,788 Found him dead in the bedroom. 70 00:03:42,790 --> 00:03:45,824 - [Steve] Okay, how old was he? - [Kelley] Forty-five. 71 00:03:45,826 --> 00:03:47,926 Forty-five-year-old men don't just drop dead. 72 00:03:47,928 --> 00:03:49,528 He died of an overdose. 73 00:03:49,530 --> 00:03:51,530 Okay, I lost a brother to an overdose. 74 00:03:51,532 --> 00:03:55,300 And I found him. I know what that's like. It's not easy to deal with. 75 00:03:55,302 --> 00:03:57,936 - And I'm sorry that did happen to you. - Thank you. 76 00:03:57,938 --> 00:04:01,640 You feel that paranormal here influenced him to start using again? 77 00:04:01,642 --> 00:04:02,807 Yes, I do. 78 00:04:02,809 --> 00:04:06,845 [Kelley] He had been clean and sober for about a year. 79 00:04:06,847 --> 00:04:08,380 [Steve] You look real happy in this photo. 80 00:04:10,049 --> 00:04:11,283 Yeah... 81 00:04:11,718 --> 00:04:13,919 How long have you lived here? 82 00:04:13,921 --> 00:04:16,788 -I was born and raised here. Then, I moved away. -Okay. 83 00:04:16,790 --> 00:04:18,690 And then I came back about eight years ago. 84 00:04:18,692 --> 00:04:22,127 Okay. Who all lives in the house, Kelley? 85 00:04:22,129 --> 00:04:26,231 My daughter, Sara. She's 15. My mother, she's 71. 86 00:04:26,233 --> 00:04:28,433 And myself. 87 00:04:28,435 --> 00:04:32,671 So, let me ask you a question. I noticed that you had a bed set up in the living room. 88 00:04:32,673 --> 00:04:34,406 - I'm assuming that's for your mom. - [Kelley] Correct. 89 00:04:34,408 --> 00:04:36,942 She had a stroke about eight years ago. 90 00:04:36,944 --> 00:04:38,710 How bad is her health right now? 91 00:04:38,712 --> 00:04:39,945 Well, she... 92 00:04:39,947 --> 00:04:41,680 can't walk. She's paralyzed. 93 00:04:41,682 --> 00:04:43,382 Completely on her left side. 94 00:04:43,384 --> 00:04:46,118 - Okay. - Her mind isn't as sharp as it used to be. 95 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,821 Lately, the last couple weeks, she's actually has said 96 00:04:49,823 --> 00:04:51,990 that my father and her father 97 00:04:51,992 --> 00:04:53,759 has been visiting her. 98 00:04:53,761 --> 00:04:55,661 I asked her, "What did they say? 99 00:04:55,663 --> 00:04:56,862 Why are they here?" 100 00:04:56,864 --> 00:04:59,031 And she said that they just came to tell her 101 00:04:59,033 --> 00:05:01,400 that everything's gonna be okay. 102 00:05:01,402 --> 00:05:03,101 What do you take from that? 103 00:05:03,103 --> 00:05:04,569 She's gonna be checking out pretty soon. 104 00:05:04,571 --> 00:05:06,738 How you holding up with that? 105 00:05:06,740 --> 00:05:09,908 I just try to be strong and not cry. I don't wanna, you know... 106 00:05:09,910 --> 00:05:13,545 I guess, show that I'm weak. Because whatever's here, 107 00:05:13,547 --> 00:05:16,114 my full, strong belief is that 108 00:05:16,116 --> 00:05:19,951 it gets a kick out of that. Out of my emotion. 109 00:05:20,019 --> 00:05:21,953 And I can't show that. 110 00:05:21,955 --> 00:05:24,089 What do you think is here? 111 00:05:24,357 --> 00:05:26,658 I think there's a demon here. 112 00:05:26,660 --> 00:05:29,027 Why not just walk away from this madness that's going on here? 113 00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:31,763 My, uh, father built this house. 114 00:05:31,765 --> 00:05:34,399 - Okay. - I was born in this house. 115 00:05:34,401 --> 00:05:37,736 And out of respect for my father, I wanna stay here and fight. 116 00:05:37,738 --> 00:05:39,304 I can understand that. 117 00:05:42,075 --> 00:05:45,444 [Amy] I feel very, uh, drained in here. 118 00:05:45,446 --> 00:05:48,847 [ominous music playing] 119 00:05:48,849 --> 00:05:53,552 There's like, this little woman. Petite. Very thin, like, 120 00:05:53,554 --> 00:05:55,287 gray-white hair. 121 00:05:59,559 --> 00:06:04,396 Just like, no energy. Frail, confused. 122 00:06:06,966 --> 00:06:12,871 She goes in and outta here. I'm wondering, like, is she... still alive? 123 00:06:12,873 --> 00:06:15,540 Or did she die? 124 00:06:15,542 --> 00:06:19,911 She's so heavy with, like, confusion and like, 125 00:06:19,913 --> 00:06:22,914 lot of nausea associated with her, too. 126 00:06:22,916 --> 00:06:24,950 Very sick. 127 00:06:25,017 --> 00:06:27,753 I keep hearing "78" with her. 128 00:06:27,755 --> 00:06:31,156 Um... I'm assuming this is her age? 129 00:06:34,594 --> 00:06:39,431 And I do feel something, potentially with her heart. 130 00:06:39,433 --> 00:06:43,402 Yeah, I think the living would certainly get sick in here. 131 00:06:43,404 --> 00:06:47,372 I gotta get out. I got, I gotta out this... room. 132 00:06:48,541 --> 00:06:50,075 Like it... [groans] 133 00:06:54,580 --> 00:06:56,715 [Steve] Why'd you bring me into this room? 134 00:06:56,717 --> 00:06:58,984 - This is where my father passed. - Okay. 135 00:06:58,986 --> 00:07:00,719 How long ago did your father pass? 136 00:07:00,721 --> 00:07:01,853 A year ago. 137 00:07:01,855 --> 00:07:03,722 - Okay, so he was in bed here? - Yes. 138 00:07:03,724 --> 00:07:06,691 Basically, he came up from downstairs, 139 00:07:06,693 --> 00:07:10,061 came to bed and really, kind of, never woke up. 140 00:07:10,063 --> 00:07:12,030 Okay, but you were here in the room when he passed? 141 00:07:12,032 --> 00:07:14,099 - Correct. - I'm curious, though. 142 00:07:14,101 --> 00:07:15,700 Do you think he's still here at all? 143 00:07:15,702 --> 00:07:18,270 - I don't believe so. - Okay. 144 00:07:18,272 --> 00:07:20,772 You like that he's not here? Or you wish he was? 145 00:07:20,774 --> 00:07:26,044 - No. He... needs to be where he needs to be. - Right. Okay. 146 00:07:28,881 --> 00:07:31,550 [Amy] There's an older male here. 147 00:07:31,552 --> 00:07:34,119 Feel like a heart attack with him. 148 00:07:34,654 --> 00:07:38,890 I'm assuming he lived here at some point. 149 00:07:38,892 --> 00:07:42,894 I don't know if he owned this house, or if it was family? 150 00:07:42,896 --> 00:07:44,863 He seems fairly recent. 151 00:07:44,865 --> 00:07:49,234 Maybe the 90s or, uh, 2000s. 152 00:07:51,037 --> 00:07:53,972 He seems frustrated. He wants out. 153 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:57,576 - He doesn't like it. - [low growling noise] 154 00:07:57,578 --> 00:07:59,811 I think he's pissed. He's just upset. 155 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:01,580 I, I don't know. He's an angry guy. 156 00:08:01,582 --> 00:08:03,615 [Amy] He likes it outside. 157 00:08:03,617 --> 00:08:07,552 Out back. Uh, he feels like he's been pushed out. 158 00:08:07,554 --> 00:08:11,223 He's just like, "Everything's gone to [bleep]" 159 00:08:12,592 --> 00:08:15,794 [Steve] So, what if any experiences, are you having in the house? 160 00:08:15,796 --> 00:08:18,897 Right after my dad died, I heard... his voice. 161 00:08:18,899 --> 00:08:22,501 Saying, "I'm cold. I am cold." 162 00:08:22,503 --> 00:08:24,769 So, "I'm cold." Does that mean anything to you? 163 00:08:24,771 --> 00:08:27,873 That's what he had told me before he was dying. 164 00:08:27,875 --> 00:08:29,841 And you're confident it was your father's voice? 165 00:08:29,843 --> 00:08:32,277 I'm confident it was his voice, but it was not him. 166 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:34,412 It was demonic. 167 00:08:34,414 --> 00:08:38,416 That's actually when I knew then and there, that this thing is... 168 00:08:39,418 --> 00:08:40,819 Straight up evil. 169 00:08:40,821 --> 00:08:42,754 All right, so, anything else? 170 00:08:42,756 --> 00:08:45,757 I see shadow figures throughout the house. 171 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:47,893 All right. So, give me an example. 172 00:08:47,895 --> 00:08:49,861 One time, I was sleeping in Sara's room. 173 00:08:49,863 --> 00:08:52,030 Then I woke up. 174 00:08:52,032 --> 00:08:55,600 To some large shadow standing over me. 175 00:08:55,602 --> 00:08:57,135 So how big are we talkin'? 176 00:08:57,137 --> 00:08:58,970 - I feel about this tall. - Okay. 177 00:08:58,972 --> 00:09:00,672 About ye wide. 178 00:09:00,674 --> 00:09:02,707 It was touching me like, here. 179 00:09:02,709 --> 00:09:04,743 - [Steve] Caressing you? - Yep. Just doing this. 180 00:09:04,745 --> 00:09:06,578 Oh. What else is going on? 181 00:09:06,580 --> 00:09:09,414 Well, I have dreams about this demon-looking thing. 182 00:09:09,416 --> 00:09:11,616 And I, I just call it a "thing." 183 00:09:11,618 --> 00:09:13,818 - Can you describe it for me? - Yes. 184 00:09:13,820 --> 00:09:17,722 He crawls on all fours, his body's bruised all over. 185 00:09:17,724 --> 00:09:21,126 -All right. -And his face is kinda... disfigured. 186 00:09:21,128 --> 00:09:24,162 So, in your dream when you see this "thing", 187 00:09:24,164 --> 00:09:26,965 - does it appear like it wants to hurt you? - Yes. 188 00:09:26,999 --> 00:09:28,900 And in, in what way? 189 00:09:28,902 --> 00:09:30,936 Physically, mentally, emotionally. 190 00:09:30,938 --> 00:09:33,171 I honestly don't know how you live in here. 191 00:09:33,173 --> 00:09:34,239 Me neither. 192 00:09:37,009 --> 00:09:39,311 [Amy] I'm seeing that old, dying woman. 193 00:09:40,813 --> 00:09:45,016 And she's looking in the mirror and talking to herself? 194 00:09:45,785 --> 00:09:48,386 I think she opened some sort of gateway. 195 00:09:50,556 --> 00:09:53,892 [Amy] I got this thing. It looks burned. 196 00:09:53,894 --> 00:09:57,996 Or really old or both. Kept trying to absorb my energy. 197 00:09:57,998 --> 00:09:59,831 I think that thing can come and go through the mirror. 198 00:09:59,833 --> 00:10:03,602 There're also random dead people coming out of the mirrors. 199 00:10:03,604 --> 00:10:06,738 So, I'm thinking these aren't the best people. 200 00:10:06,740 --> 00:10:11,409 I think the living would seal that intention, that negative, darkness. 201 00:10:12,011 --> 00:10:14,379 Their energy's being sucked. 202 00:10:14,381 --> 00:10:15,647 - [Matthew] The living? - Yeah. 203 00:10:15,649 --> 00:10:18,149 So they're being drained. 204 00:10:18,151 --> 00:10:21,720 The dead people in the mirror are taking their energy. 205 00:10:21,722 --> 00:10:26,858 Now, the scary thing there is that when that's happening, when the dead are doing this, 206 00:10:26,860 --> 00:10:29,861 it's not only just the person's energy, it's like, 207 00:10:29,863 --> 00:10:32,163 their personality, their memories. 208 00:10:32,465 --> 00:10:35,166 [Amy] This is negative and bad. 209 00:10:56,922 --> 00:10:59,057 [Steve] So, Jennifer, I understand you used to live here. 210 00:10:59,059 --> 00:11:00,392 - Yes. - Talking to your mom, 211 00:11:00,394 --> 00:11:03,695 she's convinced that the paranormal killed your grandfather, 212 00:11:03,697 --> 00:11:07,699 killed her late husband, and is lookin' to kill somebody else in this home. 213 00:11:07,701 --> 00:11:09,768 - Hmm. - I wanna know what you think about her, 214 00:11:09,770 --> 00:11:12,470 or is she overreacting with what she's thinking? 215 00:11:12,472 --> 00:11:14,873 No, I don't think she's overreacting at all. 216 00:11:14,875 --> 00:11:17,409 I'm worried something's gonna happen to her. 217 00:11:17,411 --> 00:11:20,412 Okay, so, I gotta assume you've had experiences here. 218 00:11:20,414 --> 00:11:23,615 I have. There's something here that's... 219 00:11:23,617 --> 00:11:25,750 makes people angry, and fight. 220 00:11:25,752 --> 00:11:29,554 Me and my husband, we would start fighting, arguing. 221 00:11:29,556 --> 00:11:33,391 - Was that the cause of you moving away from here? - Yeah. 222 00:11:33,393 --> 00:11:37,095 I had to get out of this house, 'cause I felt like this house was just... 223 00:11:38,798 --> 00:11:39,998 Destroying the marriage, really. 224 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,766 Okay, so, anything else? 225 00:11:41,768 --> 00:11:44,102 I was actually living in here, at the time. 226 00:11:44,104 --> 00:11:46,438 In this room. My son was sick all night. 227 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,607 He was about... maybe five, six months old. 228 00:11:49,609 --> 00:11:52,310 So, now I was just, you know, I was trying to comfort him. 229 00:11:52,312 --> 00:11:55,714 But right when I did that, I literally got punched in my back. 230 00:11:55,716 --> 00:11:57,382 You realize how dangerous that was, 231 00:11:57,384 --> 00:11:59,551 you holding a newborn and getting punched like that? 232 00:11:59,553 --> 00:12:00,652 Yes, it was very dangerous. 233 00:12:00,654 --> 00:12:04,589 Okay, so, that was pretty intense. Anything else? 234 00:12:04,591 --> 00:12:08,693 Um, one time I was washing, um, my son's bottles in the kitchen. 235 00:12:08,695 --> 00:12:10,962 - [Steve] Okay. - [Jennifer] And there's a... 236 00:12:10,964 --> 00:12:13,898 A window above the sink. I happen to glance up. 237 00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:16,868 And I seen an older lady 238 00:12:16,870 --> 00:12:18,803 in like, a vintage night gown. 239 00:12:18,805 --> 00:12:20,405 It scared the crap out of me. 240 00:12:20,407 --> 00:12:23,408 If you saw a photo, or a portrait, 241 00:12:23,410 --> 00:12:26,010 - you think you'd recognize her? - [Jennifer] Yes, actually, 242 00:12:26,012 --> 00:12:29,080 me and my mom were going through old family photos one time, 243 00:12:29,082 --> 00:12:30,481 and I was like, 244 00:12:30,483 --> 00:12:33,251 "Who is this? This is the lady who I've seen standing behind me." 245 00:12:33,253 --> 00:12:37,021 - So, who was it? - It was actually my, my mom's grandma. 246 00:12:37,023 --> 00:12:38,957 - So, your great-grandmother. - Mmm-hmm. 247 00:12:39,024 --> 00:12:40,424 Interesting. 248 00:12:42,728 --> 00:12:47,232 [Amy] I see a woman. But she's like a [bleep] shadow woman. 249 00:12:49,068 --> 00:12:52,537 Shadow woman is very present in here. 250 00:12:52,539 --> 00:12:55,039 She's coming from outside. 251 00:12:57,843 --> 00:13:00,612 [Amy] If living people see her, they see a shadow person. 252 00:13:00,614 --> 00:13:02,447 She has a, has a dark side. 253 00:13:02,449 --> 00:13:05,383 Like, I see her getting angry and yelling. 254 00:13:08,854 --> 00:13:12,624 And when she doesn't get her way, she... she's got a violent temper. 255 00:13:12,626 --> 00:13:15,760 I see her banging on the walls. 256 00:13:15,762 --> 00:13:18,963 - Banging on the bed. - [thudding] 257 00:13:24,403 --> 00:13:27,205 [Amy shudders] Ugh. God... 258 00:13:33,012 --> 00:13:34,712 So, Sara, this is a pretty cool room. 259 00:13:34,714 --> 00:13:35,680 Thank you. 260 00:13:35,682 --> 00:13:37,348 Would you rather move from here? Or, or... 261 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:39,384 Would you rather stay if we can fix it? 262 00:13:39,386 --> 00:13:42,887 I like living here. But if we have to move, I wouldn't mind it. 263 00:13:42,889 --> 00:13:44,923 How about experiences that you've had? 264 00:13:44,925 --> 00:13:46,391 Can you tell me about 'em? 265 00:13:46,393 --> 00:13:48,726 I just, honestly, have the worst nightmares. 266 00:13:48,728 --> 00:13:50,862 So, tell me about some of them. 267 00:13:50,864 --> 00:13:51,763 I've had some where, like, 268 00:13:51,765 --> 00:13:53,298 I'm being held down and I can't move. 269 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:56,534 - Right. - Or like, I'm being choked. 270 00:13:56,536 --> 00:13:59,637 Like, a lot of them would just be like, like, I'm being, like, suffocated. 271 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:01,573 I mean, just thinking about that scared me. 272 00:14:01,575 --> 00:14:03,474 - Yeah. - [Steve] I'm trying to breathe. 273 00:14:03,476 --> 00:14:06,411 So, do you wake up, and, from all this anxiety? 274 00:14:06,413 --> 00:14:09,848 Yeah, I wake up like, really, really scared. 275 00:14:09,850 --> 00:14:11,549 - So, you laugh when you're nervous, right? - [chuckles nervously] Yes. 276 00:14:11,551 --> 00:14:13,952 [Steve] I could see that. Okay. 277 00:14:13,954 --> 00:14:17,589 - So you're nervous right now? - [chuckles] Yeah, I don't like talking about that. 278 00:14:17,591 --> 00:14:19,757 [Steve] Ah... Okay. 279 00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:20,791 All right, what else is going on? 280 00:14:20,793 --> 00:14:25,463 One time, I was laying in bed right here, and... 281 00:14:25,465 --> 00:14:29,734 something came in and walked around to the other side of the bed. 282 00:14:29,736 --> 00:14:32,403 And then got into bed with me, and put their arm around me. 283 00:14:32,405 --> 00:14:34,539 And then got up, and walked out. 284 00:14:34,541 --> 00:14:36,074 Did you think you were dreaming? 285 00:14:36,076 --> 00:14:39,878 No. 'Cause this was like, very, very for real. 286 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,046 - I don't want that to happen to you ever again. - [Sara] Mmm-mmm. 287 00:14:42,048 --> 00:14:45,950 Because, if it can do that, who, you know, who knows what else it can do. 288 00:14:48,587 --> 00:14:51,055 [Amy] Feel attacks happening. 289 00:14:51,057 --> 00:14:56,127 This is an actual living person who's getting, like, attacked. 290 00:14:56,129 --> 00:14:59,130 This person is seeing... 291 00:14:59,632 --> 00:15:01,065 Dead people. 292 00:15:01,433 --> 00:15:03,434 I believe coming out the closet. 293 00:15:05,037 --> 00:15:07,405 I just see a bunch of people coming out the closet, 294 00:15:07,407 --> 00:15:09,207 being around the bed. 295 00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:14,846 So, I think this person's a medium, and they just opened up 296 00:15:14,848 --> 00:15:17,415 vortex, or something in their closet. 297 00:15:17,417 --> 00:15:19,250 And so, dead people are coming in. 298 00:15:25,591 --> 00:15:29,127 [Amy] That thing. The one that I saw coming through the mirror, 299 00:15:29,129 --> 00:15:32,630 they see it. And I think, that scares them the most. 300 00:15:32,632 --> 00:15:35,199 And then it comes down on the bed. 301 00:15:36,936 --> 00:15:38,536 [Matthew] So what does it look like? 302 00:15:38,538 --> 00:15:39,604 [Amy] It's pretty big. 303 00:15:39,606 --> 00:15:43,675 The skin is weird. The skin's like, burned. 304 00:15:43,677 --> 00:15:47,745 Or like, mummified. Kind of like a gray-brown color. 305 00:15:47,747 --> 00:15:50,415 And it's got really long hands. 306 00:15:50,417 --> 00:15:54,085 Super skinny, and not anatomically correct. 307 00:15:54,087 --> 00:15:55,420 [Matthew] Is this thing... 308 00:15:56,322 --> 00:15:58,790 Dangerous... the living? 309 00:15:58,792 --> 00:16:02,193 - Yeah, because it can take energy. - [Matthew] What can it do? 310 00:16:02,195 --> 00:16:05,163 It is taking pieces of them. 311 00:16:07,866 --> 00:16:11,436 It's taking their memory and that's kind of breaking them down mentally. 312 00:16:11,438 --> 00:16:14,439 So, it's like a [bleep] monster, really. 313 00:16:25,517 --> 00:16:28,786 [Steve] It wasn't hard to figure out where to start this investigation. 314 00:16:28,788 --> 00:16:30,521 There's an old cemetery right by Kelley's house. 315 00:16:30,523 --> 00:16:33,558 In fact, you could see it from her kitchen. 316 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,228 So I called a local author who says the place has a long and sad history 317 00:16:37,230 --> 00:16:39,998 that I'm definitely gonna wanna know about. 318 00:16:44,970 --> 00:16:46,804 [Steve] So, Connie, I gotta thank you for helping me out with this case 319 00:16:46,806 --> 00:16:47,905 and meeting me here. 320 00:16:47,907 --> 00:16:50,408 This cemetery looks pretty run down. Um... 321 00:16:50,410 --> 00:16:52,076 What can you tell me about it? 322 00:16:52,078 --> 00:16:55,380 - [Connie] Well, this is the Masonic Hueneme Cemetery. - [Steve] Okay. 323 00:16:55,382 --> 00:16:57,515 It was established in 1898. 324 00:16:57,517 --> 00:17:03,087 You can't tell by the way it looks now, but it was once a lush cemetery. 325 00:17:05,124 --> 00:17:07,692 [Steve] All right. So, this place has been here over 120 years, 326 00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:09,827 it sounds like. So, who built it? 327 00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:13,164 The original board of directors- Winfield Saviers... 328 00:17:13,166 --> 00:17:15,767 - Okay. - a banker named Achilles Levy. 329 00:17:15,769 --> 00:17:16,601 [Steve] Okay. 330 00:17:16,603 --> 00:17:18,736 And a former senator, Thomas Bard. 331 00:17:18,738 --> 00:17:22,940 [Connie] You probably saw some of these names on the street signs around town. 332 00:17:22,942 --> 00:17:26,010 Actually, I have. So, some of those names you mentioned to me, 333 00:17:26,012 --> 00:17:27,412 are those people buried here at all? 334 00:17:27,414 --> 00:17:30,515 Yes, they are. The Saviers family is actually located over there. 335 00:17:30,517 --> 00:17:31,682 - [Steve] Okay. - And, uh, their young son, 336 00:17:31,684 --> 00:17:34,952 Jack, is also buried right there. 337 00:17:34,954 --> 00:17:36,754 [Steve] Okay, so any idea how many people are buried here? 338 00:17:36,756 --> 00:17:39,524 Originally, it was 360 plus. 339 00:17:39,526 --> 00:17:44,529 - Okay. - Um, but the current owner says it's more like 50 to 60. 340 00:17:44,531 --> 00:17:46,764 All right, so, what happened to the rest of those bodies? 341 00:17:46,766 --> 00:17:49,434 In 1908, they separated the cemetery. 342 00:17:49,468 --> 00:17:51,536 Over there, they separated the Japanese. 343 00:17:51,538 --> 00:17:54,806 There's about 140 people buried in that cemetery. 344 00:17:54,808 --> 00:17:59,343 And, along the tree line, are burials of Mexican-Americans. 345 00:17:59,345 --> 00:18:03,848 [Steve] Okay, so if I got this right, they didn't want any white people buried 346 00:18:03,850 --> 00:18:07,085 in the same cemetery with Japanese or Mexican people as well? 347 00:18:07,087 --> 00:18:07,952 That is correct. 348 00:18:07,954 --> 00:18:09,821 Not for nothing, but this place is a mess. 349 00:18:09,823 --> 00:18:12,657 I mean, is, is anybody even being buried here anymore? 350 00:18:12,659 --> 00:18:15,660 No, the last burial was in 1949. 351 00:18:15,662 --> 00:18:18,863 - Okay. - Since then, there's been vandalism going on, 352 00:18:18,865 --> 00:18:20,765 people have stolen headstones. 353 00:18:20,767 --> 00:18:25,403 And there was even some reports of people doing some weird rituals out here. 354 00:18:25,437 --> 00:18:26,971 - Really? - Yes. 355 00:18:27,573 --> 00:18:30,408 But yet, names of these people that are buried here are all over the city? 356 00:18:30,410 --> 00:18:34,278 - Correct. - But they don't think twice about their resting site? 357 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,247 Yeah, that's... It's a shame. 358 00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:43,254 [Amy] I get to this cemetery area and I see this huge hole. 359 00:18:45,858 --> 00:18:50,294 And I had to fight, like, to try to keep myself 360 00:18:50,296 --> 00:18:52,697 from being sucked into the hole. 361 00:18:52,699 --> 00:18:54,799 And it's dark, and it's negative, and it takes people, 362 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:57,068 or rather, their energy down. 363 00:18:57,302 --> 00:19:00,004 [Amy] This is negative and bad. 364 00:19:03,041 --> 00:19:05,309 [Steve] Connie mentioned that one of the graves belonged to a kid 365 00:19:05,311 --> 00:19:06,744 from a prominent family here. 366 00:19:06,746 --> 00:19:10,448 So I called the local history teacher, who says that's true. 367 00:19:10,450 --> 00:19:13,217 And that the boy's death was a tragic fluke accident. 368 00:19:19,324 --> 00:19:20,825 [Steve] Well, Chris, I appreciate you coming out 369 00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:23,394 - and helping me out with this case. - [seagull squawks] 370 00:19:23,396 --> 00:19:25,530 Before we get to this kid's tragic death, 371 00:19:25,532 --> 00:19:27,865 this prominent family... What can you tell me about them? 372 00:19:27,867 --> 00:19:31,769 The Saviers. Saviers have been here for over 100 years. 373 00:19:31,771 --> 00:19:33,504 - Okay. - A powerful family. 374 00:19:33,506 --> 00:19:35,740 During your research of this family, 375 00:19:35,742 --> 00:19:38,843 did anything stand out with them that might help my case? 376 00:19:38,845 --> 00:19:41,279 Yeah, the, uh, matriarch of the family. 377 00:19:41,281 --> 00:19:43,014 Um, Charlotte, stands out. 378 00:19:43,016 --> 00:19:45,650 - She, uh, was from Massachusetts. - Okay. 379 00:19:45,652 --> 00:19:48,619 And she came through Iowa in 1880s. 380 00:19:48,621 --> 00:19:53,257 And she married, uh, Charles Saviers in 1888. 381 00:19:53,259 --> 00:19:54,725 - Here in California? - Here in California. 382 00:19:54,727 --> 00:19:58,863 And what's more interesting about that is that it was a shotgun wedding. 383 00:19:58,865 --> 00:20:02,900 Okay, so back in those days, that had to be a big deal. Pretty scandalous, right? 384 00:20:02,902 --> 00:20:04,502 Yeah, it is pretty scandalous at the time. 385 00:20:04,504 --> 00:20:06,404 Uh, it just doesn't happen. 386 00:20:06,406 --> 00:20:08,873 All right, so they obviously had one child. Did they have any more? 387 00:20:08,875 --> 00:20:10,474 Well, they had a total of four. 388 00:20:10,476 --> 00:20:15,079 In this 1900 census, it shows that, four children. 389 00:20:16,081 --> 00:20:18,883 All right. So, who's this kid, Jack, buried by my client's house? 390 00:20:18,885 --> 00:20:21,652 He is the only child 391 00:20:21,654 --> 00:20:24,689 of her son, Walter, and his wife, Margaret. 392 00:20:24,691 --> 00:20:26,357 So, what happened to this kid, Jack? 393 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:27,692 [Chris] Uh, that is pretty sad. 394 00:20:27,694 --> 00:20:30,461 Jack is at his grandmother's 395 00:20:30,463 --> 00:20:34,532 and grandfather's house playing around a wagon. 396 00:20:34,534 --> 00:20:37,101 And the wagon has bales of hay in it. 397 00:20:37,103 --> 00:20:40,004 Two fall off, crush his skull and break his arm. 398 00:20:40,006 --> 00:20:40,972 How old was he? 399 00:20:40,974 --> 00:20:43,808 - [Chris] Four years old. - Ah, jeez. 400 00:20:43,810 --> 00:20:45,009 All right, so when did this happen? 401 00:20:45,011 --> 00:20:46,844 Happened in 1918. 402 00:20:46,846 --> 00:20:48,346 Did he die instantly? 403 00:20:48,348 --> 00:20:54,919 He died a week later on February 1st, 1918. Here's an article on it. 404 00:20:54,921 --> 00:20:57,321 - [Steve] So this poor kid suffered for a week. - [Chris] Oh, yes. 405 00:20:57,323 --> 00:21:01,359 [Steve] So talking about Charlotte, that's her grandchild, and... 406 00:21:01,361 --> 00:21:04,862 It happened on their property. She must've been... You know, 407 00:21:04,864 --> 00:21:07,365 - destroyed from the guilt. - Yeah, she has to be devastated. 408 00:21:07,367 --> 00:21:09,433 That family, it had to tear them apart. 409 00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:12,036 It just goes to show that if you got money and you're powerful, 410 00:21:12,038 --> 00:21:14,538 it doesn't stop a tragedy like this from happening. 411 00:21:14,540 --> 00:21:15,439 No. 412 00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:20,144 [Amy] I'm seeing the shadow woman again. 413 00:21:20,646 --> 00:21:24,415 She, you know, came form back east. 414 00:21:24,417 --> 00:21:28,786 From the east, she went to the Dakotas and then she walked here. 415 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:30,788 She said she slept her way here 416 00:21:30,790 --> 00:21:32,757 - and she was laughing. - [distant laughing] 417 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:35,426 So I kind of think she was like a hooker. 418 00:21:35,428 --> 00:21:39,230 The year 1918 is very important for her. 419 00:21:43,068 --> 00:21:47,405 Like, I feel, like, horrible. Something horrible is going on. 420 00:21:47,407 --> 00:21:48,306 [objects jingling] 421 00:21:49,908 --> 00:21:52,043 [shudders] I'm scared. 422 00:21:52,944 --> 00:21:57,248 [humming] I am scared. 423 00:22:04,656 --> 00:22:06,557 For more information about the show 424 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:09,493 and if you need us to investigate unexplained activity in your home... 425 00:22:09,495 --> 00:22:13,297 Please visit TravelChannel.com/TheDeadFiles 426 00:22:13,299 --> 00:22:17,168 click on Help Me, Dead Files to submit your story and we'll help if we can. 427 00:22:23,308 --> 00:22:26,043 [Steve] So far, I've got a client who thinks the paranormal 428 00:22:26,045 --> 00:22:30,414 killed her father and her husband on a property near a vandalized cemetery 429 00:22:30,416 --> 00:22:32,483 where strange rituals were done. 430 00:22:32,485 --> 00:22:34,719 But I want to see if there's anything else. 431 00:22:34,721 --> 00:22:38,155 Searching through old records, I find a brutal triple murder 432 00:22:38,157 --> 00:22:40,358 that happened just down the road from Kelley's house. 433 00:22:41,626 --> 00:22:42,660 I've reached out to a retired detective. 434 00:22:42,662 --> 00:22:45,396 He looked into this homicide for me and says 435 00:22:45,398 --> 00:22:49,433 the senseless triple murder was about two things, revenge and money. 436 00:22:55,874 --> 00:22:59,677 So, Mike, I appreciate you helping me out with this case. 437 00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:01,579 This homicide, who were the players? 438 00:23:01,581 --> 00:23:04,081 So you have an Oxnard ranch family. 439 00:23:04,083 --> 00:23:06,984 - Okay. - Uh, Swiss immigrant, Peter Furrer, 440 00:23:06,986 --> 00:23:08,619 - his wife, Bertha-- - Okay. 441 00:23:08,621 --> 00:23:11,455 And they have an infant daughter, Virginia, ten months old. 442 00:23:11,457 --> 00:23:13,557 What'd you find out about these people in general? 443 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:16,594 - I mean, what's their story? - Well, the ranch, actually, was pretty successful. 444 00:23:16,596 --> 00:23:19,263 - Uh, Peter employed a number of ranch hands. - Okay. 445 00:23:19,265 --> 00:23:21,599 Uh, one of those ranch hands was named Louis Fortene. 446 00:23:21,601 --> 00:23:27,271 Uh, unfortunately, Louis was not a good ranch hand and Peter ended up firing him. 447 00:23:27,273 --> 00:23:30,408 All right, I see where this might be going. What happened? 448 00:23:30,410 --> 00:23:34,345 As a active revenge, he went and cashed a $250 check 449 00:23:34,746 --> 00:23:35,746 in, uh, Peter's name. 450 00:23:35,748 --> 00:23:37,581 All right, so what happens next? 451 00:23:37,583 --> 00:23:42,820 Couple weeks go by and he gets real nervous about getting caught. 452 00:23:42,822 --> 00:23:48,392 So he comes back to the ranch, he finds Peter in the barn 453 00:23:48,394 --> 00:23:50,828 and proceeds to find a metal pipe 454 00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:53,030 and hit him over the head with it and kill him. 455 00:23:53,832 --> 00:23:56,133 [Steve] So what's he do after that? 456 00:23:56,135 --> 00:23:57,768 Well, he decides that there are some more loose ends, 457 00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:01,972 so he goes into the house and he finds Bertha and he hits her over the head 458 00:24:01,974 --> 00:24:04,341 with the same metal pipe and kills her as well. 459 00:24:04,343 --> 00:24:05,742 Okay, so now we got the baby left. 460 00:24:05,744 --> 00:24:09,947 Yes, and, unfortunately, uh, he didn't know what to do with the baby, 461 00:24:09,949 --> 00:24:12,516 so he decided that he was going to end her life as well. 462 00:24:12,518 --> 00:24:14,318 - [Steve sighs] - Same metal pipe. 463 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,021 - And she's ten months old, right? - [Mike] Yes. 464 00:24:17,023 --> 00:24:19,490 [Steve] This sick [bleep]. He doesn't know what to do with the kid 465 00:24:19,492 --> 00:24:20,724 and he just kills her. 466 00:24:20,726 --> 00:24:22,393 Like, this ten-month-old's gonna identify him. 467 00:24:22,395 --> 00:24:25,429 Absolutely, yeah, I have all three death certificates here as well for the family. 468 00:24:25,431 --> 00:24:29,767 Uh, all indicating death by homicide with a metal pipe. 469 00:24:29,769 --> 00:24:31,535 [Steve] So the cause of death is the same for all three of them. 470 00:24:31,537 --> 00:24:33,003 [Mike] Correct. 471 00:24:33,005 --> 00:24:35,806 So he comes back later though, he decides he's not finished. 472 00:24:35,808 --> 00:24:38,242 So he brings a can of kerosene with him. 473 00:24:38,244 --> 00:24:41,912 He moves all three family members into one room 474 00:24:41,914 --> 00:24:45,683 and then he spreads out the kerosene and proceeds to light the house on fire. 475 00:24:45,685 --> 00:24:47,418 All right, so they track this guy down? 476 00:24:47,420 --> 00:24:49,753 Tracked him down, brought him in for questioning 477 00:24:49,755 --> 00:24:53,858 and under a question by the sheriff, he admits to all three homicides. 478 00:24:53,860 --> 00:24:55,793 Did he go to trial or did he just plea out? 479 00:24:55,795 --> 00:24:57,695 Went to trial and was found guilty. 480 00:24:57,697 --> 00:24:59,697 Sentenced him to death by hanging. 481 00:24:59,699 --> 00:25:01,732 All right, so he's found guilty and sent away, where'd he go? 482 00:25:01,734 --> 00:25:05,035 He went to San Quentin. I have his mugshot right here. 483 00:25:05,037 --> 00:25:07,538 [Steve] Wow, I can't believe you got this mugshot from 1916. 484 00:25:07,540 --> 00:25:09,874 Look at the dates. 485 00:25:09,876 --> 00:25:12,877 [Mike] The crime committed in March, 1916. Hung in the gallows that July. 486 00:25:12,879 --> 00:25:14,745 That was the justice system back then. 487 00:25:14,747 --> 00:25:16,413 What a piece of [bleep], huh? 488 00:25:18,583 --> 00:25:23,420 I'm hearing, like, a man, just, like... Barking. 489 00:25:23,422 --> 00:25:26,757 [exhales] I'm, like, scared. I'm scared, I'm scared, I'm scared. 490 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:27,758 [exclaims] 491 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,094 - Something about a fire. - [fire sizzling] 492 00:25:30,096 --> 00:25:33,931 Like a little piece of this person just left. 493 00:25:33,933 --> 00:25:39,570 I think that the living would feel this panic and fear, 494 00:25:39,572 --> 00:25:42,406 like they're being watched around in here. 495 00:25:42,408 --> 00:25:47,411 And feeling stalked and, uh, feeling a lot of pain. 496 00:25:47,413 --> 00:25:50,180 Like a pain, a horrible pain in my side. 497 00:25:50,815 --> 00:25:51,415 Pain in my neck. 498 00:25:51,683 --> 00:25:54,919 Um... Pain in my jaw. 499 00:25:54,921 --> 00:25:58,923 So what exactly might the living pick up off of this pain? 500 00:25:58,925 --> 00:26:01,692 Sudden, like, stabbing feeling in the side. 501 00:26:01,694 --> 00:26:03,127 [knife slicing] 502 00:26:03,129 --> 00:26:05,396 Horrible neck pain, horrible jaw pain. 503 00:26:05,398 --> 00:26:10,601 [groans] God, and back, yeah. Wicked, wicked back pain. 504 00:26:10,603 --> 00:26:13,370 Ooh, ooh, ooh, like wicked all through here. 505 00:26:13,372 --> 00:26:16,206 Horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible. 506 00:26:23,615 --> 00:26:27,685 I saw several horrifying things on my walk, but two stood out. 507 00:26:27,687 --> 00:26:30,888 First, the dead guy who got pushed out to the backyard. 508 00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:34,658 He was, like, bald on top. Late 70s, early 80s. 509 00:26:34,660 --> 00:26:37,728 Moustache, uh, so pretty thick. 510 00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:40,364 Does he have any markings or scars on his face? 511 00:26:40,366 --> 00:26:44,702 It seems like he had rough skin on his, uh, cheeks. 512 00:26:44,704 --> 00:26:48,839 Next, I described the thing climbing into bed with the living woman. 513 00:26:48,841 --> 00:26:53,777 Its skin is strange. It looks gray. 514 00:26:53,779 --> 00:26:58,015 It's got abnormally long limbs. 515 00:26:58,017 --> 00:27:02,152 Definitely like an elongated skull. 516 00:27:07,726 --> 00:27:09,093 Amy, is this what you saw? 517 00:27:10,128 --> 00:27:12,029 Yes, that's what I saw. 518 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:15,432 [indistinct whispering] 519 00:27:22,974 --> 00:27:24,441 [crickets chirping] 520 00:27:32,784 --> 00:27:36,820 [Steve] Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 521 00:27:36,822 --> 00:27:39,456 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 522 00:27:39,458 --> 00:27:42,126 and our clients for the first time. 523 00:27:43,361 --> 00:27:47,631 So, guys, this is Amy. She's gonna be doing the reveal from another room 524 00:27:47,633 --> 00:27:51,869 where she can concentrate on your case and the dead without any distraction. 525 00:27:51,871 --> 00:27:55,773 Amy, meet Kelley. Uh, she's the one that called us in. 526 00:27:55,775 --> 00:28:00,010 She lives here with her 71-year-old mom 527 00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:03,614 who, unfortunately, is not doing too well health wise, 528 00:28:03,616 --> 00:28:06,016 and her 15-year-old daughter Sara. 529 00:28:06,018 --> 00:28:08,886 This is Jennifer, one of Kelley's other daughters. 530 00:28:08,888 --> 00:28:10,721 She grew up here and got the hell out 531 00:28:10,723 --> 00:28:12,423 because of all the stuff that was going on. 532 00:28:12,425 --> 00:28:15,859 And she wishes the rest of the family would do the same actually. 533 00:28:15,861 --> 00:28:21,065 So unless Amy's got some questions for you, she'll tell us about her walk. 534 00:28:24,035 --> 00:28:29,373 So I have to say that this was a very active walk. 535 00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:34,445 The first thing that I want to discuss is the deceased woman. 536 00:28:34,447 --> 00:28:38,315 She did have an accent. She told me she was from back east. 537 00:28:38,317 --> 00:28:42,686 She had traveled to, first, apparently, the Dakotas. 538 00:28:42,688 --> 00:28:48,859 And then she kind of said that she, um, slept her way here. 539 00:28:48,861 --> 00:28:53,597 I took that as her potentially being a prostitute. 540 00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:57,735 She did mention a few times the year 1918. 541 00:28:57,737 --> 00:29:02,606 The living may see her, uh, in the shadow form. 542 00:29:02,608 --> 00:29:05,542 The problem is that she actually does have a dark side. 543 00:29:05,544 --> 00:29:08,412 Basically, if she doesn't get her way, 544 00:29:08,414 --> 00:29:13,050 uh, that's when she kind of lashes out and becomes a bit violent. 545 00:29:13,052 --> 00:29:18,021 I see her banging on the walls, banging on the bed. 546 00:29:20,792 --> 00:29:22,860 You did tell me about seeing shadows. 547 00:29:22,862 --> 00:29:26,697 Yes, standing over me while I was sleeping 548 00:29:26,699 --> 00:29:30,134 and have been, you know, physically touched. 549 00:29:30,136 --> 00:29:32,970 What about the banging noises? Does that make any sense to you? 550 00:29:32,972 --> 00:29:34,571 Sure does. 551 00:29:34,573 --> 00:29:36,940 The bed, it would move, shake. 552 00:29:36,942 --> 00:29:39,309 So that shadow woman you're talking about 553 00:29:39,311 --> 00:29:42,546 reminds me of a woman that I came across in my research. 554 00:29:42,548 --> 00:29:45,949 Her name was Charlotte and she was originally from New England. 555 00:29:45,951 --> 00:29:50,621 Now she came here to California in the 1880s by way of Iowa. 556 00:29:50,623 --> 00:29:54,158 In 1888, she married into the Saviers family. 557 00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:56,794 - Wow. - [Steve] Now, they're one of the most 558 00:29:56,796 --> 00:29:58,695 prominent families in town. 559 00:29:58,697 --> 00:30:01,765 Uh, I don't know if you know this, but there's signs 560 00:30:01,767 --> 00:30:03,734 all over the place with their name on it. 561 00:30:03,736 --> 00:30:06,703 Now, the shadow woman told you she might've slept her way here, 562 00:30:06,705 --> 00:30:07,971 I think what she might've meant 563 00:30:07,973 --> 00:30:13,310 was that she had to have a shotgun wedding back in 1888. 564 00:30:13,312 --> 00:30:15,813 And back then, that was scandalous. 565 00:30:15,815 --> 00:30:20,551 Now you also mentioned the year 1918 which was very important to her. 566 00:30:20,553 --> 00:30:23,287 So in late January of that year, 567 00:30:23,289 --> 00:30:27,658 uh, her four-year-old grandson was playing on the farm. 568 00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:33,797 All of a sudden, two bales of hay came crushing down and landed on the kid. 569 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:36,700 Fractured his skull, kid was only four years old 570 00:30:36,702 --> 00:30:39,002 and he died eventually about a week later. 571 00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,939 He's actually buried at the cemetery 572 00:30:41,941 --> 00:30:43,440 that you could throw a rock at from here. 573 00:30:44,008 --> 00:30:47,211 - Oh, what? - Yeah. 574 00:30:47,745 --> 00:30:48,745 What kind of cemetery is it? 575 00:30:48,747 --> 00:30:50,781 It's a mess, it's in disrepair. 576 00:30:50,783 --> 00:30:53,083 There's headstones everywhere missing. 577 00:30:53,085 --> 00:30:56,019 They think satanic groups might've been in there doing some rituals. 578 00:30:56,021 --> 00:30:57,120 Oh. 579 00:30:59,924 --> 00:31:01,058 [crickets chirping] 580 00:31:01,492 --> 00:31:02,960 [Steve] Okay, what else? 581 00:31:04,562 --> 00:31:07,898 The next dead person that I came into contact with 582 00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:09,666 was, initially, in the living room. 583 00:31:09,668 --> 00:31:12,436 It's, like, the back of the house. 584 00:31:12,438 --> 00:31:17,941 He is actually pretty recent. I would've said 1990s or 2000s. 585 00:31:17,943 --> 00:31:22,646 I got that he died suddenly. I think from a heart attack. 586 00:31:22,648 --> 00:31:26,183 And he's very upset and very frustrated. 587 00:31:26,185 --> 00:31:28,685 So now he hangs out mostly in the backyard. 588 00:31:28,687 --> 00:31:33,457 Right, so Amy, now's probably a good time to tell you why Kelley called us in. 589 00:31:33,459 --> 00:31:37,728 She believes that the house has already killed two people she loves. 590 00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:40,797 Now, the first, that was her husband, Ruben, who passed away 591 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:42,833 here in the house in 2007. 592 00:31:42,835 --> 00:31:47,804 I have a photo of Ruben and... Kelley. 593 00:31:47,806 --> 00:31:51,108 [Kelley] He, uh, was a recovering addict. 594 00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:54,745 He ended up using, he had been clean for quite awhile. 595 00:31:54,747 --> 00:31:56,980 And he overdosed. 596 00:31:57,315 --> 00:31:59,816 In one of the back bedrooms. 597 00:31:59,818 --> 00:32:05,422 Now the second death, um, was last year and that was, uh, Kelley's dad. 598 00:32:05,556 --> 00:32:07,457 Now he was 89, 599 00:32:07,459 --> 00:32:09,860 so I'm not so sure it had something to do with the paranormal. 600 00:32:09,862 --> 00:32:14,164 She's convinced that paranormal had a lot to do with it. 601 00:32:14,166 --> 00:32:16,934 He wasn't your typical 89-year-old man. 602 00:32:17,235 --> 00:32:18,568 Ah, got it. 603 00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:21,905 I actually have a picture of her dad 604 00:32:21,907 --> 00:32:23,840 and this is your late brother, as well, right? 605 00:32:23,842 --> 00:32:24,374 Correct. 606 00:32:28,313 --> 00:32:29,346 Oh. 607 00:32:30,915 --> 00:32:34,184 Okay, I had a sketch done of the person that I saw. 608 00:32:35,420 --> 00:32:36,353 Okay. 609 00:32:36,854 --> 00:32:37,921 [papers rustling] 610 00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:45,228 Holy [bleep]. Um... 611 00:32:46,698 --> 00:32:48,265 Tell me who you think this looks like. 612 00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:55,706 It kind of looks like Danny. 613 00:32:57,475 --> 00:33:00,544 - [Steve] Danny was your brother, correct? - Yes. 614 00:33:00,546 --> 00:33:03,680 [Steve] Can you tell Amy the circumstances with him passing? 615 00:33:03,682 --> 00:33:06,383 He passed away of a heart attack at the age of 55. 616 00:33:07,752 --> 00:33:09,019 [Steve] Now how long ago was that? 617 00:33:09,021 --> 00:33:11,755 Eleven months after my husband died. 618 00:33:11,757 --> 00:33:14,958 - [Steve] So 2008? - Ah, 2008, yes. 619 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,426 Amy, you thinking her brother's still here? 620 00:33:18,963 --> 00:33:20,263 Yes. 621 00:33:24,969 --> 00:33:28,638 So the next person I'm going to talk about is an older female. 622 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,606 Mmm. 623 00:33:29,608 --> 00:33:31,475 [Amy] This female may not be deceased. 624 00:33:31,477 --> 00:33:33,710 She may be in the dying process. 625 00:33:33,712 --> 00:33:36,446 So I was confused on if she was dead or dying. 626 00:33:36,448 --> 00:33:38,815 I kept hearing 78 with her. 627 00:33:38,817 --> 00:33:41,418 - She seemed very frail and confused. - Oh, my God. 628 00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:43,854 I got some things also going on with the heart. 629 00:33:43,856 --> 00:33:47,224 Uh, and there's a lot of nausea associated with her. 630 00:33:48,893 --> 00:33:50,293 You guys think what I'm thinking? 631 00:33:50,795 --> 00:33:54,197 My mother, um, is 71 years old. 632 00:33:54,665 --> 00:33:57,968 She went in for open heart surgery 633 00:33:57,970 --> 00:33:59,936 and suffered a stroke on the operating table. 634 00:33:59,938 --> 00:34:03,040 Is she mentally okay? 635 00:34:03,241 --> 00:34:04,408 Yeah, no, she's not. 636 00:34:04,642 --> 00:34:05,575 Okay. 637 00:34:05,643 --> 00:34:07,878 All right, so, Amy, we're pretty convinced 638 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,815 it's Kelley's mom, who's alive, that you're dealing with here. 639 00:34:11,817 --> 00:34:13,050 - Yeah. - [Amy] I'm sorry. 640 00:34:14,786 --> 00:34:16,953 [Steve] I hate to even ask, but what else? 641 00:34:17,989 --> 00:34:20,924 Now this is where things get a little unusual. 642 00:34:20,926 --> 00:34:24,828 I saw a woman who was younger. 643 00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:27,764 She looked like your mother, but younger. 644 00:34:27,766 --> 00:34:30,300 Looking into a mirror with a candle 645 00:34:30,302 --> 00:34:34,404 and I, she was saying something into the mirror and I could not hear it. 646 00:34:34,406 --> 00:34:42,245 When she did that, she inadvertently opened up a doorway through the mirror. 647 00:34:42,247 --> 00:34:49,586 And now there's quite a few dead people that kind of hang out in the mirrors. 648 00:34:49,588 --> 00:34:54,624 This is very concerning because they can draw energy in from you, okay? 649 00:34:54,626 --> 00:34:57,327 And that's what makes them negative, all right? 650 00:34:57,329 --> 00:35:00,864 You guys may see people when you look in the mirrors 651 00:35:00,866 --> 00:35:05,202 or you may catch people in movement out of the corner of your eyes. 652 00:35:05,204 --> 00:35:07,404 Concerning any mirror in the house. 653 00:35:07,406 --> 00:35:09,539 So you saw a reflection in the window. 654 00:35:09,541 --> 00:35:14,578 Yes, I was washing baby bottles and I was looking down 655 00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:18,615 and I had, like, glanced up above, you know, the window. 656 00:35:18,617 --> 00:35:22,319 And I seen this old lady, she was standing on this side, right behind me. 657 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:25,922 I totally got creeped out. I was like, "Hell no." 658 00:35:25,924 --> 00:35:29,392 [Steve] Tell Amy how you were able to find out who this woman was that you saw. 659 00:35:29,394 --> 00:35:31,862 We were looking through old family photos one time, 660 00:35:31,864 --> 00:35:36,299 and I happen to see that lady that I seen standing behind me. 661 00:35:36,868 --> 00:35:38,935 And I asked my mom who that was 662 00:35:38,937 --> 00:35:42,139 and she had mentioned that that was her grandma. 663 00:35:42,907 --> 00:35:44,574 - So your great-grandmother. - Yes. 664 00:35:44,576 --> 00:35:46,243 Was she ever in the house? 665 00:35:46,245 --> 00:35:49,813 Oh, yeah. She was there, like, every day. 666 00:35:49,815 --> 00:35:54,251 The thing that worried me was what I did see coming out of the mirror. 667 00:35:54,785 --> 00:35:56,286 I just called it the thing. 668 00:35:57,321 --> 00:36:00,857 It can come and go, never alive. 669 00:36:00,859 --> 00:36:07,130 Very bizarre-looking. Its skin was like, uh, burned-looking. 670 00:36:07,132 --> 00:36:08,398 This thing is no good. 671 00:36:08,733 --> 00:36:11,001 Very bad. 672 00:36:11,003 --> 00:36:16,473 It also takes energy like the bad dead people, but more so. 673 00:36:16,475 --> 00:36:17,941 Tell her about being lethargic. 674 00:36:17,943 --> 00:36:20,443 I feel like that all the time. Tired, drained. 675 00:36:20,578 --> 00:36:23,914 Energy sucked out of me. 676 00:36:23,916 --> 00:36:30,353 The other thing that it's doing is it can pick pieces of your personality out 677 00:36:30,988 --> 00:36:32,422 and also your memories. 678 00:36:33,658 --> 00:36:35,792 - So when she said the thing-- - Uh-huh. 679 00:36:35,794 --> 00:36:38,028 You and I kind of looked at each other. 680 00:36:38,030 --> 00:36:41,064 Well, that's exactly what I call it. The thing. 681 00:36:41,432 --> 00:36:42,666 Exactly. 682 00:36:42,668 --> 00:36:45,602 - Are you having any memory problems? - [Kelley] Yes. 683 00:36:45,604 --> 00:36:47,837 You guys kind of looked at each other 684 00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:50,574 when Amy mentioned about taking a piece of people's personalities. 685 00:36:50,576 --> 00:36:52,108 What was that about? 686 00:36:53,444 --> 00:36:56,046 -What's up, Jennifer? Don't hold back. -[Jennifer laughs] 687 00:36:56,048 --> 00:37:01,918 Well, she's totally different when she's here. Totally different. 688 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,323 She's not herself. Like, she gets mad very easily. 689 00:37:07,592 --> 00:37:09,159 [crickets chirping] 690 00:37:09,161 --> 00:37:14,598 When I walked upstairs, I went into the bedroom to the right. 691 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,399 That's Sara's room. 692 00:37:16,401 --> 00:37:18,435 [Amy] The female, living female, that I got in there, 693 00:37:18,437 --> 00:37:20,637 I feel has abilities. 694 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:25,675 Because of her abilities, there's actually another vortex in the closet. 695 00:37:25,677 --> 00:37:30,547 So what I saw going on up there, were the dead coming from the closet 696 00:37:30,549 --> 00:37:33,350 surrounding the bed of this person, this female. 697 00:37:34,385 --> 00:37:37,487 These are dead people who want help. 698 00:37:37,489 --> 00:37:42,626 But the problem is I saw the thing there, too, and it changed 699 00:37:42,628 --> 00:37:45,195 and it became much smaller and it was crawling 700 00:37:45,197 --> 00:37:47,430 - into the bed with this person. - [Kelley cries] 701 00:37:48,966 --> 00:37:53,003 I did have a sketch done of what I saw happening up there. 702 00:37:53,204 --> 00:37:54,203 [papers rustling] 703 00:38:02,113 --> 00:38:05,115 [exhales] You're not gonna like seeing this. 704 00:38:11,088 --> 00:38:13,089 That's really sad. 705 00:38:13,858 --> 00:38:14,958 [indistinct whispering] 706 00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:18,028 Creepy, it's creepy. 707 00:38:23,401 --> 00:38:26,603 Sara told you a story about something and crawling into her bed with her. 708 00:38:26,605 --> 00:38:30,240 Well, she came in, told me in the morning, she asked me, 709 00:38:30,242 --> 00:38:33,443 "Hey, by any chance, did you get in bed with me?" 710 00:38:35,413 --> 00:38:36,913 And I said, "No, I didn't." 711 00:38:36,915 --> 00:38:38,615 That's not good. 712 00:38:38,617 --> 00:38:42,018 I'm speechless, to be honest with you. I... 713 00:38:43,387 --> 00:38:45,155 You wanted her to move out, get the hell out of here. 714 00:38:45,157 --> 00:38:47,424 - Now you must really want her to leave. - Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 715 00:38:48,092 --> 00:38:49,392 [Jennifer] Yes, I do. 716 00:38:49,927 --> 00:38:51,361 Go pack your stuff now. 717 00:38:55,533 --> 00:38:57,233 [indistinct whispering] 718 00:39:07,545 --> 00:39:12,882 [Steve] Well, I can't remember the last time Amy's seen so much stuff in one house. 719 00:39:12,884 --> 00:39:15,819 Clearly, it's a good thing you guys called us in. 720 00:39:15,821 --> 00:39:20,957 Now the question is is there anything you can do to fight back 721 00:39:20,959 --> 00:39:23,026 and keep the house in your family? 722 00:39:23,028 --> 00:39:25,095 Well, for that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 723 00:39:29,133 --> 00:39:31,534 [Amy] You can stay. 724 00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:36,673 But there's a lot, a lot of things that need to be done 725 00:39:36,675 --> 00:39:41,544 and on a consistent basis for you to be able to stay here in peace. 726 00:39:41,546 --> 00:39:46,750 I'm going to bring in a group of sensitives, including some mediums. 727 00:39:46,752 --> 00:39:52,455 The first thing that needs to happen is for your brother to be moved on comfortably. 728 00:39:52,457 --> 00:39:55,759 That'll go fairly quickly because he is very ready to go. 729 00:39:55,761 --> 00:39:58,862 [Steve] So, Amy, do you think the house had anything to do 730 00:39:58,864 --> 00:40:00,230 with the death of Kelley's father and husband? 731 00:40:00,232 --> 00:40:01,231 [Amy] No. 732 00:40:02,533 --> 00:40:04,300 Okay. 733 00:40:04,302 --> 00:40:10,840 The second thing that needs to happen is the large vortex 734 00:40:10,842 --> 00:40:15,345 where this thing, uh, is coming in and out of the mirrors, 735 00:40:15,347 --> 00:40:19,682 needs to be shut and severed and sealed. 736 00:40:19,684 --> 00:40:24,387 So once that's done, they will seal the other vortex upstairs. 737 00:40:24,789 --> 00:40:27,690 - In Sara's room. - [Amy] Yes. 738 00:40:27,692 --> 00:40:30,693 Closing these vortexes will keep the dead and the thing 739 00:40:30,695 --> 00:40:33,196 from coming inside your home. 740 00:40:33,198 --> 00:40:39,836 Next, there needs to be a barrier, uh, placed around the house. 741 00:40:39,838 --> 00:40:47,076 Get a large bag of salt and take that around the yard where your land ends. 742 00:40:47,078 --> 00:40:49,813 The shadow woman is going to be pushed out, 743 00:40:49,815 --> 00:40:52,916 uh, past your, uh, property line. 744 00:40:52,918 --> 00:40:55,285 Uh, so she won't be able to get back in, 745 00:40:55,287 --> 00:40:57,253 once this barrier's put around. 746 00:40:59,089 --> 00:41:03,226 I want the barrier redone every two weeks for a year. 747 00:41:06,797 --> 00:41:08,798 Well, that's a hell of a list. 748 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,034 Is this worth you staying here? 749 00:41:13,003 --> 00:41:13,703 - Yes. - [Steve] It is. 750 00:41:13,705 --> 00:41:14,838 Yes. 751 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,072 But you would rather see Mom leave. 752 00:41:16,074 --> 00:41:17,207 - [Jennifer] Of course. - Yeah. 753 00:41:17,209 --> 00:41:18,775 - Uh-huh. - [Steve] Yeah. 754 00:41:18,777 --> 00:41:24,247 - But... She's not, so just got to live with it, I guess. - [Steve] Yeah. 755 00:41:24,249 --> 00:41:26,182 - Mothers are stubborn. - [Jennifer] Mmm-hmm. 756 00:41:28,853 --> 00:41:32,622 [Amy] I really hope Kelley follows my advice by moving her brother on 757 00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:36,226 and closing the vortexes inside her home. 758 00:41:36,228 --> 00:41:40,096 Once she does that, she can put a barrier around her property 759 00:41:40,098 --> 00:41:44,300 and live peacefully in the house her father built for many years to come. 760 00:42:00,985 --> 00:42:02,986 [theme music playing]