[ominous music playing]
[Amy] So, there's been a guy around.
He's definitely a creeper.
It's an unusual amount of anger that he has.
When I had woken up, I was being choked.
We have demons in this house.
[Matthew] Did he just jump you now?
Yeah.
There was bloody handprints all over.
He can jump into the body of living people?
- Can I? - [Steven] Yes, sure.
[Amy] What's the matter?
[Paije speaking]
[Amy] This makes me nervous.
He wants to kill them.
He wants the person dead.
My name is Amy Allan.
I see dead people.
I saw a lean creature.
I speak to dead people and they speak to me.
This person feels like a monster.
But there's only one way to know
if my findings were real.
They're sucking the life out of this people.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve DiSchiavi,
I'm a retired New York City Homicide Detective.
So how many bodies we talking?
And I know every person, every house has secrets.
It's my job to reveal them.
But Steve and I never speak...
We never communicate during an investigation.
until the very end.
Oh, you're not gonna like this.
When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay.
I'm sorry.
I need to take a break.
Or time to get out.
It wants inside the house because it wants to kill you.
[gasps]
[ominous music playing]
[Steve] I'm here in a desert city
of Victorville, California.
It's a couple hours outside of Los Angeles.
It's hot as hell up here,
but this was a case I just had to take.
A desperate woman named Monette called,
says whatever's in her house killed her roommate,
and if we can't help, it's gonna kill again.
My granddaughter has been recently choked
by a demon in her sleep.
[Steve] Monette sounds real shook up.
I'm hoping Amy and I can find a way to help her out.
[crickets chirping]
[Amy] Oh, oh.
The area has an extremely, heavy, sad, uh, vibe,
like maybe there had been a great loss at some point.
The problem with that is that the living, uh, could be,
uh, susceptible to feeling this sadness,
this depression.
Bad situation... Bad situation.
[crickets chirping]
[ominous music playing]
[Steven] So Monette, this is a big beautiful home
you have here,
but when we spoke on the phone,
you sounded pretty upset.
Why don't you tell me what's going on?
We have demons in this house
and it's a very dangerous place.
Demons is pretty specific.
Um, what makes you say its demons?
From the things I've seen and the things
that are going under this house,
I don't think it could be anything else, but...
Now, you also mentioned on the phone that, uh,
the paranormal killed your roommate?
Yes.
[Steve] Tell me about that.
His name was Thomas,
and he was my really good friend,
- and roommate. - Okay.
And we bought the house together.
He died of a heart attack last year.
How old was he?
[Monette] He was 81.
The man is 81 years old.
Dying from a heart attack is not uncommon.
Um, what makes you think it's paranormal related?
It's upsetting for you talk about it?
- He was my friend. - [Steve] Yeah.
And he was very healthy.
It couldn't be anything else.
We loved him very much and we miss him.
So, Monette, let's get to some basics.
Who lives in the house?
Okay.
[Monette] That's me, and then there's
my 20-year-old granddaughter, Paije,
and on the other side is Thomas's son, Steven.
Do me a favor. Give me a list
of what you guys are experiencing here.
We're seeing shadow figures,
people are being physically attacked,
and we are having a lot of mood swings, and fatigue,
and we're all getting sick.
Uh, what kind of elements are we talking about?
Steven also had a heart attack.
Okay. How old is he?
He is 52.
Ooh, okay. What else?
What about you and your granddaughter?
I have broken bones in my ankle and foot right now.
I have no idea how they happened.
Okay. So you didn't have an accident and all of a sudden
- you got broken bones? - [Monette] Exactly.
[Steve] And what about your granddaughter?
Well, Paije right now is, uh, stable from being a victim
of clival chordoma cancer in her brain.
She was doing rather well and very stable...
- Okay. - until we moved in here.
And now she has several medical issues.
What about, uh, the mood changes,
what do you mean by that?
I get angry right away.
I used to be really happy-go-lucky.
Steven has periodic tantrums.
He gets flies off the handle for little things.
Okay.
It is a nice house.
I mean, is it worth staying here though?
It's all we have and we can't afford to leave.
Monette, listening to you, it's breaking my heart
hearing what you guys are going through
especially with your granddaughter.
How are you holding up?
I'm very, very tired.
I don't feel like I've slept for five years.
And you believe it's the paranormal?
Absolutely.
Something's sucking the life out of me
and changing the quality of my existence.
- [crickets chirping] - [ominous music playing]
[Amy] So, there's been a guy around.
I think he's like in his 30s age-wise.
He likes to just watch people, watching, watching, watching.
He'll like get up on you.
He really does have a pretty intense vibe.
Even if you aren't seeing him, you would feel his presence,
so you feel kind of bothered.
When he's with you, I think that
that living person would change dramatically.
He's definitely a creeper, just unnerving, unsettling.
[ominous music playing]
[Monette] This is the worst room in the house.
Okay. So tell me what's going on.
Well, there's like a menacing stalker in this room.
It feels like somebody's always behind you
wherever I go in this room.
Is this something you could see
or is it just a presence?
No, I can't see it.
It's some type of presence, but it's on you,
ready to jump at you at any time.
You feel like you're gonna be attacked.
What else?
Things go missing around here all the time.
Okay. Like what?
- I'll set my keys on the bed. - Okay.
And I'll go wash my hands or brush my teeth.
I'll come back and my keys are gone.
Tear my room up.
I come back and they're right where they were before.
Okay, I mean, I misplace stuff all the time,
and I think they're there, but they're not.
But you're saying it kind of like when you come back,
- it's where it was originally? - Exactly where it was,
and it's really pissing me off.
[ominous music playing]
[door squeaking]
[Amy] The creeper.
He was a bad guy when he was alive.
He likes to steal and move things.
[Matthew] Like what sort of things?
Like, oh, look, the remote, oh, [bleep].
I'll make that disappear for like a week.
[Steve] All right. So what else is going on?
I have been choked before.
Tell me about that. What happened?
My throat was shut, stuck together inside.
I could not get any air in or out.
This went on for a minute and a half.
I really thought I was gonna die.
You think the angle here is to kill you
or kill everybody in the house?
I do.
I absolutely do.
And I don't wanna be next.
[Amy] Seeing like a living woman here.
This is, like, crazy at night.
Okay.
So I think this dead guy is like really angry.
He can jump into adults.
Like, here's the thing.
It's like you can't like swallow,
very hard to swallow when he's in, you know,
near or in you.
You feel like you can't breathe,
get lightheaded, and dizzy,
um, and then compression on the chest.
And besides being sick, it's also the rage.
[Matthew] Do you think that others
might be in danger because of this?
Yes, I think so.
Bad, bad, bad.
[ominous music playing]
[birds squawking]
I'm more concerned about you guys
especially after talking with your grandmother
about what's going on here.
Have you had experiences?
Yes.
One was actually in my grandmother's room...
- [Steven] Okay. - where I felt like I was being watched.
And in the bathroom there was a black shadow walking past.
So when you said you had the feeling of being watched,
did it feel like it was just curiosity
or did you feel like it was, you know, creepy?
Creepy.
Any other experiences?
Yes.
One in my bedroom.
I was sleeping.
I was having a nightmare that I was being chased
by a stranger.
When I had woken up, I was being choked
by what looked like the devil.
And I couldn't breathe and I couldn't move
for a whole minute.
You sure it wasn't part of your dream?
I'm sure. I was up
and I could feel his weight on me,
and I felt his hands around me.
And then after the whole minute,
he disappeared.
I thought I was gonna die.
[woman] I'm seeing like a little girl.
Something's happening.
I'm just hearing her.
Oh, my God, did you see that?
Like I'm wondering if it's that guy,
like the stalkery dude,
because like I'm not seeing
and I'm getting hit from behind.
It's not good.
[Steve] Anything else?
Yes. Since we have moved into this house,
my health has really gone downhill.
Grandma mentioned that to me.
So what are we talking about?
My stomach has made it hard for me to eat full meals.
It makes it to where I cannot stand up
for more than five minutes.
Have you gone to a doctor
about what the hell is going on with you?
Yes, I have.
They can't find anything wrong with my stomach at all.
Well, grandma thinks this place is trying
to kill you guys, whatever's here.
Do you feel that way?
- Yes. - Okay.
[woman] This one dead dude.
He's definitely a jumper.
Oh, my God.
[sighs] He's very irritating though, this guy.
[Matthew] Why?
Because he, like, sits in your stomach.
You can feel him in your stomach.
It's heavy and like it's sick.
[groaning]
[Matthew] So did he just jump you now?
[woman] When he jumped inside me, I got really dizzy,
I couldn't breathe.
[Matthew] So he has been jumping you this whole time?
Yeah.
Hmm. Hmm.
[Steve] Well, Steven, first off, I wanna extend
my condolences on your father's passing.
- [Steven] Yeah. - What type of guy was he?
He's the type of person he'd give you his last dollar
or the shirt off his back.
I never see him smoke,
I never seen him... Hear him cuss.
He never drank.
You must miss him?
Do you think he's here?
Yes. He's watching over the house.
- I understand, you're what, 52? - Yeah.
- And you had a heart attack? - [Steven] Yeah.
In my feelings, you're a young man to have a heart attack.
Yeah, too young.
So that brings me to a point.
Monette was telling me about,
everybody in the house having some rage issues
- actually, for lack of a better word. - Yeah, anger issues.
And particularly you as well.
What's that all about? What's going on?
It just comes on but I try to keep to myself.
When you do get angry, how angry do you get?
I don't punch holes in the walls anymore.
Anymore?
Yeah. I used to punch holes in the walls
a long time ago.
The two of them does not know.
Okay.
[creaking]
[woman] Ooh, like a lot of anger out here.
Lots of anger.
This is coming from a male.
I think he's alive.
He's an extremely tense
and stressed out person.
It's an unusual amount of anger
that he has about...
his life situation.
He feels like [bleep] is just out of control
in his life and like going wrong.
He's very scared
and I see him like punching,
like, punching something.
[Matthew] Do you have any idea how violent
this guy in the garage might become
if he was being jumped?
That would not be a good situation.
Do you think he might capable of killing in that state.
Yes.
[Steve] Anything else?
- I was shoved in my bedroom once. - So what happened?
You know, I just fell back and put a big old hole
from my lower back in the wall.
So this ain't you punching holes
- in the wall? - Oh, no.
And telling everybody else
"You know what? Something pushed me."
No, no, no.
I mean this is no joke.
And you could've fell the wrong way
and I've seen it a million times,
people accidentally break their neck
on a simple little fall.
With all the stuff that's happening to you here,
why don't you just pack and get the hell out?
Because I have nowhere else to go.
[woman] I don't like this, the creeper.
He is watching.
Watching what?
Whoever is in this room,
I think he doesn't like them
just standing there and watching,
like...
he's like right here
and he's got his knife.
This makes me nervous.
He wants to kill them.
So that's not good.
[Steve] If you're looking for lots of heat
and open land,
Victorville is the place for you.
I was worried I wouldn't find much history here.
But when I called a local archivist,
she said the Native American tribe that lived here
had a miserable time.
But it wasn't the settlers who drove them out.
It was another tribe.
So Rebecca, I wanna thank you for meeting me out here.
All right, so who was the tribe that lived here?
Yeah. So they were called the Serrano tribe
and they had a village in this area called Topapaibit
and it extended into your client's property.
All right. So I got to think at some point they came
into contact with settlers, right?
Definitely, the Spanish started arriving
in the late 1700s.
And since the Serrano are a peaceful people,
they actually helped them
navigate the harsh Mojave Desert early on.
So how did the Spanish treat the tribe?
The Spanish saw the Serrano as pagan and primitive.
So they started trying to convert them to Christianity
- as soon as possible. - Okay.
Some were persuaded pretty easily
while others had to be forced into it.
Okay. So when you say forced into it, what are we talking about?
They use tactics like starving them into submission.
Essentially, they would destroy their crops and their way of life.
Now, Rebecca, you mentioned on the phone to me
that it wasn't the settlers that drove the Serranos out,
but it was another tribe, who were they?
So the Mojave tribe also lived in this area.
They saw the Serrano as enabling the Spanish.
They were disgusted that so many of them
had converted to Christianity
and the Spanish way of life.
Okay. So how exactly did the Mojave
get rid of the Serrano tribe?
November of 1819,
the Serrano in this area got wind of a Mojave war party
that was coming through the area.
So they actually abandoned Topapaibit, their village,
in hopes to avoid violence.
But not all of them escaped alive.
All right, so what happened?
So we know that at least eight Serrano
didn't make it out of this area.
So Rebecca when I was at my client's house,
I noticed there's a lot of tract housing
in the area.
Do you have any idea if they've uncovered any bodies
when they did the construction?
Not when they were putting your client's house up.
But a rancher in the 1940s was plowing his land
and actually unearthed 26 Serrano skeletons
and it was in the news.
It was believed that this mass burial site
was actually a cemetery for Topapaibit.
How far is this from my client's property?
So there's a marker on site there today.
And it's about a mile from your client's property.
-[Steve] All right. So it's close. -Yeah.
There is a bit of negative energy here.
The sadness gets heavier.
Sure, sure, Sure.
Loss, loss, sad, sad.
I'm like, is it [bleep] cursed?
There are a handful of dead people
that are kind of wandering around.
I do think something occurred here.
There's something with a curse, okay.
And that's why things are bad.
[Steve] So far, I've got a client
who thinks the paranormal killed her roommate
on property near a Native American burial site,
but I wanna see if there's anything else.
[dramatic music playing]
[Steve] Searching through old records,
I found the suicide that took place
right by Monet's house.
Maybe it's just a coincidence,
but this guy killed himself at the age of 82,
nearly the exact same age as Monet's roommate
when he died.
In my experience, it's very rare
for someone that age to kill themselves.
I'm on my way to meet a historian
to see if there's more to this story.
So Dylan I wanna thank you for helping me out with this case.
So, the guy that killed himself, who was he?
Uh, that'll be Robert Turner. Here's a photo of him.
He was one of the key figures
in putting Victorville on the map.
[Steve] I assume he was married, kids?
Yeah, yeah, six kids, wife Susan.
You said this guy helped put the city on the map.
How'd he do that?
He was here at the right time.
He started one of the first large cattle ranches locally.
And then he diversified into businesses
like a hotel, a general store, and mining.
He was the king of the Victor Valley for a while.
So it sounds like this guy's making money.
I mean, did he have any shady deals going on?
There is evidence of land speculation
and shady deals happening here
because he was the guy in charge,
he pretty much named his price
when selling lots and selling ranch land
- to people coming in. - Okay.
So it was his way or the highway?
- Yeah. - All right.
So, Dylan with the shady dealings
is that part of the reason he kills himself?
No. He started to experience personal tragedies.
He lost his youngest son,
who was age four to undisclosed causes.
And then in 1899, he lost another son.
This is Frank and Frank ran the general store.
[Steve] How old was this guy when he died?
[Dylan] Frank was 24.
Do we know what he died from?
We don't know.
That's a local mystery.
The final blow was the loss of his wife in 1912.
[Steve] Let's get to the suicide.
I mean, what happened?
[Dylan] So in 1916. He's 82-years-old.
He's living on the family cattle ranch.
This is about a mile from your client's property.
He takes this. 44 caliber Winchester lever-action
and he positions it against the floor,
the butt against the floor,
and the muzzle of the gun into his chest
and discharges the firearm into his body.
[Steve] Eighty-two-years-old.
You don't hear a lot of 82-year-olds committing suicide.
When you're a man of this character
and you've done all of this and you've built a city,
decrepitude and old age,
it may not be the easiest thing to swallow.
[ominous music playing]
[Amy] The creeper guy keeps following me.
I'd put him maybe 1908.
I think he was pretty bad,
devious, like, scoundrel.
I feel like he robbed people.
[ominous music playing]
Okay. So I did just hear a gunshot.
[Matthew] What's going on?
I got a suicide.
Pretty sure it was a man.
I just feel really stressed out.
[ominous music playing]
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[ominous music playing]
[Steve] I was driving around Monet's neighborhood
and drove right by a huge prison.
Turns out the place opened in 2004.
And there's already been a lot of deaths
behind those walls.
I've tracked on a former inmate
who is gonna talk to me about his experiences there.
Says it gives him nightmares to this day.
[ominous music playing]
[Steve] JC, appreciate you meeting with me.
So I got to ask you a question,
how did you wind up in Victorville?
I ended up there on a violation.
My original case was, uh, distribution of cocaine.
- Okay. - Went in,
did my time, got out.
And I was actually at a pool party.
Everybody was smoking weed.
So I was, like, decided to take a little hit off a joint.
- Okay. - Next day, my PO calls me.
So I went in, they arrested me right there
and then in the office.
So somebody dropped a dime on you
without a doubt. [laughs]
I don't wanna think about it.
But, man, I wouldn't put it past nobody.
So when you got there.
I mean, you have been in prison before.
So I'm curious.
What was your impression when you walked in?
I mean, I've been to prison in Mexico.
And I've seen some pretty wild stuff.
When I got there, uh, the energy I felt is bad.
So what kind of things did you see when you were there?
I mean, walking in the door.
Somebody had already got killed.
So as soon as we walked into the kitchen,
they were gonna feed us,
there was blood all over the wall.
- Okay. - On the floor, and handprints,
bloody handprints all over the wall.
And, uh, I was like, holy [bleep]
like, what am I doing back again?
So you first day there and this is what you're seeing?
Yeah.
I've heard it's been called victim zone.
- Yeah. - I mean, I know the deal,
been... I was on the job long enough to know what goes on.
But how did you survive as far as tactically inside?
Violence and knives, man.
Do you know how many homicides
that have been there since it opened?
- Total of eight. - Okay.
Any of those eight stand out to you?
In 2005, a guy got stabbed to death
over a couple bucks of tobacco.
- Okay. - People might say that
that's like little, but in there, it's a lot.
Okay. Anything else that stood out?
In 2014 there was two cellmates
that got killed in their cell.
It was never really pinned on nobody.
They don't know who did it.
I've heard of a lot of homicides in jail,
but it's the first time, a double,
- inside the same cell. - Yeah.
So I know a lot of things haunt me.
Does that prison still haunt you?
Sometimes, you know, I hadn't...
I hadn't slept for 15 years.
And, uh, I just barely started sleeping
a couple days ago.
I'm glad to hear that.
[ominous music playing]
[Amy] I saw all of these people.
They'd stood up from the earth,
and there was probably about 20.
They are wanderers.
And they are looking for help.
And what I was told was that
these were murder victims who knew too much.
But we're spanning like several decades.
[ominous music playing]
[Amy] I saw a lot of disturbing things on my walk.
But the creeper concerns me the most.
He has a hat on
and it's just kind of like beat up.
He had tan skin, dark hair to his neck.
His lips are rounded.
There's no points or anything very rounded.
Next, I described the creeper
jumping a living man in the garage.
I wanna show like the dead guy,
like, going into the stomach of this living guy.
I want to show his face enraged.
Because that's what this guy,
like, brings out in him, rage.
Amy, is this what you saw?
Yes, that's what I saw.
[ominous music playing]
[Steve] Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,
we're ready to reveal our findings to each other
and our clients for the first time.
Guys, I'd like you to meet Amy,
she's gonna be doing the reveal from another room
so she can concentrate on your case
as well as the dead without any distractions.
Amy, I want you to meet the three people
who live in this house.
This is Monette.
She's the one that called us in.
This is her granddaughter Paije who's 20.
And this is Steven, who is a family friend
and the co-owner of the house.
Monette and Paije are terrified
and think that whatever's here is evil and wants to kill.
So, unless Amy's got some questions for you guys,
uh, she'll tell us about her walk.
When I first got here,
the feelings that I got were extreme sadness,
and that just kind of permeates this area,
which indicated to me that there had been
some type of substantial loss.
The living here may be prone
to having depressive episodes and feeling lost.
I've never actually been one to be depressed.
But I have been since I moved here.
It's probably a shot in the dark,
but there's something you probably should know about,
that came up from research.
This land was originally settled
by the Serrano Indians.
Now their village actually extended
to your property here.
In 1700s, the Spanish settlers came,
they saw that tribe as being primitive
and started converting them to Christianity.
Anyone who resisted was tortured.
Oh.
So eventually they got driven out of this area,
but not by the Spanish settlers
by the neighboring Mojave tribe.
Now in 1940, a local farmer was plowing his land,
about a mile from here.
He stumbled onto a Serrano burial site,
and there was remains of 26 people.
Now I got a photo of it.
It's kind of sad to look at.
Now do you think the sadness might've came from this tribe?
Mmm-hmm. Yeah.
[Steve] So what else?
What I feel is affecting you the most
and is the biggest problem here,
there is one very conscious,
pretty dangerous dead guy who is here.
I called him the creeper
because he likes to watch people.
He likes to get right up on you,
like, almost to where he's at your back
and, like, his face is right here.
One time when I was in my grandma's room,
I felt like I was being watched.
And then out of nowhere, there was a shadow
in my grandma's room walking past the doorway.
And there was no way it was coming from the outside, correct?
No.
His thing, you know, he loves to steal things.
Something as stupid as, like, he would take,
you know, a remote control.
And, like, hide it for like a week.
And then you would find it exactly where you put it.
Wow. It's pretty amazing.
Sadly, it's exactly like she said,
I'll have my keys sitting on my bed.
And I'll go wash my hands or brush my teeth,
come back, the keys are absolutely gone.
I go to look for a spare, and there they are
sitting in the exact same spot.
So absolutely irritating beyond belief.
Any idea who this guy might have been
when he was alive?
[Amy] He was from way back.
I kept hearing 1908 for some reason,
definitely got the impression that he wasn't a great guy
when he was alive.
He liked to rob people.
I just got that he was a scoundrel
and that he was very devious.
So I think he was just a criminal.
He also loves knives.
He's obsessed with them.
His death was not great.
It was something like choking.
- He couldn't breathe. - Okay.
I mean, it's... For me, it's not a lot to go on.
But one of the things you were saying
especially the 1908 plot,
had me thinking of one of the city's
founding fathers.
His name was Robert Turner.
And he came here from Pennsylvania in the 1860s.
Robert built a very successful cattle ranch
less than a mile from your house here.
But according to the expert I spoke to,
he wasn't that good of a guy.
He made some shady deals,
but he also suffered from some personal tragedies.
He lost his four-year-old son in 1881
after that happened, his 24-year-old son
dropped dead of unknown causes in 1899.
I got a picture of the son.
Now the biggest blow to this guy came in 1912
when Turner's wife died after an illness.
Now this was all too much for Turner.
In 1916, he took a. 44 rifle,
put it against his body,
basically in his chest, blew his chest out.
Now, I've seen what a. 44 rifle
could do to somebody that close,
it must have been a mess.
Now I got a photo of this guy.
Was there any way that this guy could be the creeper?
I had a sketch of the person I encountered.
[tense music playing]
Oh, yeah, this looks nothing like the two guys
I just showed you.
He's a miserable looking son of a bitch, isn't he?
[Steven] Wow.
- [Paije] Very scary. - [Monette] It's creepy.
[Steve] You know, this was a ranch years ago.
This place is filled with cowboys and stuff
and this... Could this guy have been maybe a ranch hand
that was a drifter that came through?
That could be. Yeah.
Okay, So we don't know who this creeper guy is,
but you did say he was dangerous.
So what does he do?
He can jump into the body of living people.
He did it to me during the walk.
[ominous music playing]
[Matthew] So did he just jump you now?
I felt sick, dizzy, couldn't breathe.
And I felt like I couldn't swallow.
This is something that the living here could experience.
Are you okay, sweetie?
- Can I... - [Steve] Yeah, sure. Go ahead.
You okay?
- [Monette] Love bug. - [Paije] Yeah.
- [Monette] Are you okay? - [Paije] Yeah.
[Monette speaking]
[Paije speaking
[Monette speaking]
[Paije speaking]
- [Monette speaking] - [Paije speaking]
[Monette speaking]
- You okay? - Yeah.
- [Steve] You okay, sweetie? - Mmm-hmm. Yeah.
Paije, when you see that what's going through your mind?
One night, I was having a nightmare.
And it was a stranger that was choking me.
When I had woken up,
this stranger had turned into the devil.
And I couldn't breathe for a good minute.
I felt his weight on top of my chest.
And he was just sitting on top of me,
choking me and laughing at me.
And then after one minute, he disappeared.
Come here. Listen to me. Listen to me.
It's gonna be okay, all right?
I'm not going anywhere. Nobody's gonna leave here.
We're gonna find out what the hell to do with this guy.
I'm gonna get rid of him, okay?
- [Paije] Okay. - [Steve] All right.
Can I get your jacket, grandma?
So I could get this cold off of me?
- [Steve] Yeah, sure. - [Monette] Yeah.
- Is that better? Felt better? - Yeah. Mmm-hmm.
So talking about being choked. You had the same...
Something similar happened to you?
Yes, I woke up and it felt as though fingers had squeezed
- the inside of my throat shut. - Mmm-hmm.
I don't know how long it was,
but to me, it was like an eternity.
Super scary, and I thought that was it.
It's a possibility that you were experiencing
what he went through when he died.
Another thing about this guy, he can make you very sick.
When he jumped me,
I felt this like weight in my stomach.
And, like, it was so uncomfortable.
You should know that everybody here
has health issues and they're sick
and they blame it all on the paranormal.
Start with you, Paije. You told me all about that.
I get a lot of pain in my stomach
to where I just lay in bed all day.
I'm usually cranky when it happens.
You've had issues before.
She's a brain cancer survivor.
She's still being checked every so often.
Yes, but they haven't found
anything wrong with my stomach.
It's been three years and still nothing on it.
Now, Monette, you got health issues?
Right now, I have broken bones in my feet
and my ankles that I knew nothing about nor how I got them.
Yeah, I've had a heart attack
and didn't know I had one and...
- You're only 52. - Yeah.
Amy, there's something else you should know.
Steven's dad died of a heart attack
when he lived here.
So I'm gonna tell Amy why you think
it's the paranormal that killed him.
Because this man never smoked, or drank,
and he was a Christian man, very godly man.
[Steve] This is a picture of him right here.
[Monette] Yes.
[Steve] Steven thinks he's still here.
What do you think, Amy?
I don't think he's here anymore, which is great.
That's awesome.
You feel better that your dad's moved on?
Yeah.
He had a one way ticket to heaven.
[ominous music playing]
[Steve] So, Amy, this dead guy,
does he do anything else?
When he jumps people,
he will heighten their emotions.
So if you're prone to anger,
or if you're prone to sadness, or whatever,
he'll make that tenfold.
I saw an incident in the garage
where this person, this male, was so angry
and very upset about his life situation.
And he was thinking that he was cursed or something
because things were always going so bad.
And I saw the dead guy jump into him.
But I did have a sketch done of this.
[ominous music playing]
[Steven] Oh, jeez.
[Paije] It looks like Steven.
[Monette] Makes perfect sense to me.
That is amazing.
Do you recall ever being in the garage
and getting mental like that?
Yeah, that's... Yeah.
My fear is that
if you jumped a living person who was in a state,
he could make that person violent.
He might be able to make that person kill someone.
[ominous music playing]
Now that makes me extremely concerned.
I feel very uncomfortable.
That explains a lot to me.
And that actually pisses me off.
Very scary.
[ominous music playing]
[Steve] So you guys thought you had a demon in the house.
Good news is you don't.
Bad news is this creeper guy
might as well have been a demon.
Now the question is can you get rid of this [bleep]
and get back to a normal life?
And if so, what's that gonna take?
For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
[ominous music playing]
So there's, like, good news and then there's bad news.
As far as the dead guy is concerned,
there is something that can be done
to get rid of him by people, a team,
that I would be putting together
would come here.
They're kind of a mixed bag of people,
psychics, mediums, pagans, Satanists,
you know, the whole nine.
The first thing that they would do is
what's called a cord cutting between you guys and him.
Then a shaman will actually be removing him,
the dead guy, from this situation.
The bad news is that this area
is really, really, really thick
with this awful residual energy.
The problem is, is that...
you can't get rid of this.
So in order for you to stay here,
you would literally have to do cleansings of your home,
and this would have to be something you did
pretty much on a daily basis.
It's up to you.
If that's something you want to take on.
Her bad news was just as good as her good news for me.
[laughs] Okay. Good.
A billion pounds lifted off my shoulders right now.
Oh, good.
Paije, you feel better about it?
Yes. I do.
We could get all the negative and depression out.
Great.
- How about you, big guy? - Oh, yeah, definitely.
Get this, you know, evil out of here.
I'm feeling really blessed
and ready to get back to normal.
Yes, I'm looking forward to you guys
getting back to that.
- I feel lighter. - [Steve] Good.
I really do.
Monette, Paije, and Steven have suffered long enough.
I really hope they follow my advice
and cleanse their house of negative energy,
as well as work with a shaman to remove the creeper.
If they do, I'm confident
they can live in their home peacefully
for many years to come.
[ominous music playing]