1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,802 [ominous music playing] 2 00:00:10,377 --> 00:00:12,978 [Amy] So, there's been a guy around. 3 00:00:12,980 --> 00:00:14,513 He's definitely a creeper. 4 00:00:14,515 --> 00:00:18,650 It's an unusual amount of anger that he has. 5 00:00:18,652 --> 00:00:21,720 When I had woken up, I was being choked. 6 00:00:21,722 --> 00:00:23,722 We have demons in this house. 7 00:00:23,724 --> 00:00:25,357 [Matthew] Did he just jump you now? 8 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:27,393 Yeah. 9 00:00:29,262 --> 00:00:31,363 There was bloody handprints all over. 10 00:00:31,365 --> 00:00:35,467 He can jump into the body of living people? 11 00:00:35,469 --> 00:00:37,136 - Can I? - [Steven] Yes, sure. 12 00:00:37,138 --> 00:00:38,570 [Amy] What's the matter? 13 00:00:39,406 --> 00:00:40,539 [Paije speaking] 14 00:00:41,908 --> 00:00:43,042 [Amy] This makes me nervous. 15 00:00:43,044 --> 00:00:44,877 He wants to kill them. 16 00:00:46,780 --> 00:00:48,347 He wants the person dead. 17 00:00:48,349 --> 00:00:49,815 My name is Amy Allan. 18 00:00:50,884 --> 00:00:51,817 I see dead people. 19 00:00:51,819 --> 00:00:54,686 I saw a lean creature. 20 00:00:54,688 --> 00:00:58,123 I speak to dead people and they speak to me. 21 00:00:59,025 --> 00:01:01,260 This person feels like a monster. 22 00:01:01,262 --> 00:01:02,628 But there's only one way to know 23 00:01:02,630 --> 00:01:04,096 if my findings were real. 24 00:01:04,098 --> 00:01:08,033 They're sucking the life out of this people. 25 00:01:08,035 --> 00:01:09,701 I rely on my partner. 26 00:01:09,703 --> 00:01:11,070 I'm Steve DiSchiavi, 27 00:01:11,072 --> 00:01:12,971 I'm a retired New York City Homicide Detective. 28 00:01:12,973 --> 00:01:14,606 So how many bodies we talking? 29 00:01:14,608 --> 00:01:18,777 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 30 00:01:18,779 --> 00:01:20,345 It's my job to reveal them. 31 00:01:20,347 --> 00:01:22,181 But Steve and I never speak... 32 00:01:22,183 --> 00:01:24,249 We never communicate during an investigation. 33 00:01:24,251 --> 00:01:25,918 until the very end. 34 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,820 Oh, you're not gonna like this. 35 00:01:27,822 --> 00:01:29,721 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay. 36 00:01:29,723 --> 00:01:30,622 I'm sorry. 37 00:01:30,624 --> 00:01:32,624 I need to take a break. 38 00:01:32,626 --> 00:01:33,992 Or time to get out. 39 00:01:33,994 --> 00:01:36,462 It wants inside the house because it wants to kill you. 40 00:01:36,464 --> 00:01:37,229 [gasps] 41 00:01:41,234 --> 00:01:44,236 [ominous music playing] 42 00:01:49,542 --> 00:01:50,776 [Steve] I'm here in a desert city 43 00:01:50,778 --> 00:01:52,444 of Victorville, California. 44 00:01:52,446 --> 00:01:54,680 It's a couple hours outside of Los Angeles. 45 00:01:54,682 --> 00:01:56,215 It's hot as hell up here, 46 00:01:56,217 --> 00:01:58,283 but this was a case I just had to take. 47 00:01:58,285 --> 00:02:00,552 A desperate woman named Monette called, 48 00:02:00,554 --> 00:02:03,489 says whatever's in her house killed her roommate, 49 00:02:03,491 --> 00:02:06,525 and if we can't help, it's gonna kill again. 50 00:02:06,527 --> 00:02:10,129 My granddaughter has been recently choked 51 00:02:10,131 --> 00:02:12,431 by a demon in her sleep. 52 00:02:12,433 --> 00:02:14,333 [Steve] Monette sounds real shook up. 53 00:02:14,335 --> 00:02:17,136 I'm hoping Amy and I can find a way to help her out. 54 00:02:21,107 --> 00:02:24,109 [crickets chirping] 55 00:02:26,346 --> 00:02:29,414 [Amy] Oh, oh. 56 00:02:29,416 --> 00:02:36,088 The area has an extremely, heavy, sad, uh, vibe, 57 00:02:38,358 --> 00:02:43,562 like maybe there had been a great loss at some point. 58 00:02:43,564 --> 00:02:48,167 The problem with that is that the living, uh, could be, 59 00:02:48,169 --> 00:02:52,271 uh, susceptible to feeling this sadness, 60 00:02:52,273 --> 00:02:53,739 this depression. 61 00:02:53,741 --> 00:02:56,108 Bad situation... Bad situation. 62 00:02:56,110 --> 00:02:58,877 [crickets chirping] 63 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:02,047 [ominous music playing] 64 00:03:03,616 --> 00:03:05,551 [Steven] So Monette, this is a big beautiful home 65 00:03:05,553 --> 00:03:07,286 you have here, 66 00:03:07,288 --> 00:03:08,554 but when we spoke on the phone, 67 00:03:08,556 --> 00:03:09,888 you sounded pretty upset. 68 00:03:09,890 --> 00:03:11,757 Why don't you tell me what's going on? 69 00:03:11,759 --> 00:03:13,825 We have demons in this house 70 00:03:13,827 --> 00:03:16,628 and it's a very dangerous place. 71 00:03:16,630 --> 00:03:18,664 Demons is pretty specific. 72 00:03:18,666 --> 00:03:21,266 Um, what makes you say its demons? 73 00:03:21,268 --> 00:03:23,068 From the things I've seen and the things 74 00:03:23,070 --> 00:03:24,403 that are going under this house, 75 00:03:24,405 --> 00:03:27,005 I don't think it could be anything else, but... 76 00:03:27,007 --> 00:03:29,107 Now, you also mentioned on the phone that, uh, 77 00:03:29,109 --> 00:03:30,909 the paranormal killed your roommate? 78 00:03:30,911 --> 00:03:32,077 Yes. 79 00:03:32,079 --> 00:03:33,145 [Steve] Tell me about that. 80 00:03:33,147 --> 00:03:34,279 His name was Thomas, 81 00:03:34,281 --> 00:03:36,415 and he was my really good friend, 82 00:03:36,417 --> 00:03:37,616 - and roommate. - Okay. 83 00:03:37,618 --> 00:03:38,951 And we bought the house together. 84 00:03:38,953 --> 00:03:41,320 He died of a heart attack last year. 85 00:03:41,322 --> 00:03:42,454 How old was he? 86 00:03:42,456 --> 00:03:43,855 [Monette] He was 81. 87 00:03:43,857 --> 00:03:45,090 The man is 81 years old. 88 00:03:45,092 --> 00:03:47,926 Dying from a heart attack is not uncommon. 89 00:03:47,928 --> 00:03:50,963 Um, what makes you think it's paranormal related? 90 00:03:54,133 --> 00:03:55,634 It's upsetting for you talk about it? 91 00:03:55,636 --> 00:03:57,236 - He was my friend. - [Steve] Yeah. 92 00:03:57,238 --> 00:03:59,738 And he was very healthy. 93 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:01,840 It couldn't be anything else. 94 00:04:01,842 --> 00:04:04,543 We loved him very much and we miss him. 95 00:04:04,545 --> 00:04:06,878 So, Monette, let's get to some basics. 96 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,213 Who lives in the house? 97 00:04:09,082 --> 00:04:10,182 Okay. 98 00:04:10,184 --> 00:04:11,683 [Monette] That's me, and then there's 99 00:04:11,685 --> 00:04:14,253 my 20-year-old granddaughter, Paije, 100 00:04:14,255 --> 00:04:17,723 and on the other side is Thomas's son, Steven. 101 00:04:17,725 --> 00:04:19,191 Do me a favor. Give me a list 102 00:04:19,193 --> 00:04:21,360 of what you guys are experiencing here. 103 00:04:21,362 --> 00:04:23,428 We're seeing shadow figures, 104 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:25,497 people are being physically attacked, 105 00:04:25,499 --> 00:04:28,867 and we are having a lot of mood swings, and fatigue, 106 00:04:28,869 --> 00:04:31,069 and we're all getting sick. 107 00:04:31,071 --> 00:04:33,605 Uh, what kind of elements are we talking about? 108 00:04:33,607 --> 00:04:36,341 Steven also had a heart attack. 109 00:04:36,343 --> 00:04:37,609 Okay. How old is he? 110 00:04:37,611 --> 00:04:39,511 He is 52. 111 00:04:39,513 --> 00:04:41,480 Ooh, okay. What else? 112 00:04:41,482 --> 00:04:43,482 What about you and your granddaughter? 113 00:04:43,484 --> 00:04:47,019 I have broken bones in my ankle and foot right now. 114 00:04:47,021 --> 00:04:48,754 I have no idea how they happened. 115 00:04:48,756 --> 00:04:50,889 Okay. So you didn't have an accident and all of a sudden 116 00:04:50,891 --> 00:04:52,491 - you got broken bones? - [Monette] Exactly. 117 00:04:52,493 --> 00:04:54,059 [Steve] And what about your granddaughter? 118 00:04:54,061 --> 00:04:57,763 Well, Paije right now is, uh, stable from being a victim 119 00:04:57,765 --> 00:05:01,466 of clival chordoma cancer in her brain. 120 00:05:01,468 --> 00:05:05,304 She was doing rather well and very stable... 121 00:05:05,306 --> 00:05:08,340 - Okay. - until we moved in here. 122 00:05:08,342 --> 00:05:11,443 And now she has several medical issues. 123 00:05:11,445 --> 00:05:13,211 What about, uh, the mood changes, 124 00:05:13,213 --> 00:05:14,246 what do you mean by that? 125 00:05:14,248 --> 00:05:16,148 I get angry right away. 126 00:05:16,150 --> 00:05:19,184 I used to be really happy-go-lucky. 127 00:05:19,186 --> 00:05:21,320 Steven has periodic tantrums. 128 00:05:21,322 --> 00:05:23,855 He gets flies off the handle for little things. 129 00:05:23,857 --> 00:05:25,023 Okay. 130 00:05:25,025 --> 00:05:26,291 It is a nice house. 131 00:05:26,293 --> 00:05:28,493 I mean, is it worth staying here though? 132 00:05:28,495 --> 00:05:31,997 It's all we have and we can't afford to leave. 133 00:05:31,999 --> 00:05:34,199 Monette, listening to you, it's breaking my heart 134 00:05:34,201 --> 00:05:35,701 hearing what you guys are going through 135 00:05:35,703 --> 00:05:37,769 especially with your granddaughter. 136 00:05:37,771 --> 00:05:38,970 How are you holding up? 137 00:05:38,972 --> 00:05:40,339 I'm very, very tired. 138 00:05:40,341 --> 00:05:42,607 I don't feel like I've slept for five years. 139 00:05:42,609 --> 00:05:44,042 And you believe it's the paranormal? 140 00:05:44,044 --> 00:05:45,243 Absolutely. 141 00:05:45,245 --> 00:05:46,845 Something's sucking the life out of me 142 00:05:46,847 --> 00:05:49,114 and changing the quality of my existence. 143 00:05:51,017 --> 00:05:52,851 - [crickets chirping] - [ominous music playing] 144 00:05:52,853 --> 00:05:55,554 [Amy] So, there's been a guy around. 145 00:05:55,556 --> 00:05:59,458 I think he's like in his 30s age-wise. 146 00:05:59,460 --> 00:06:05,564 He likes to just watch people, watching, watching, watching. 147 00:06:05,566 --> 00:06:08,367 He'll like get up on you. 148 00:06:08,369 --> 00:06:12,270 He really does have a pretty intense vibe. 149 00:06:12,272 --> 00:06:17,576 Even if you aren't seeing him, you would feel his presence, 150 00:06:17,578 --> 00:06:20,011 so you feel kind of bothered. 151 00:06:20,013 --> 00:06:23,715 When he's with you, I think that 152 00:06:23,717 --> 00:06:28,453 that living person would change dramatically. 153 00:06:28,455 --> 00:06:33,225 He's definitely a creeper, just unnerving, unsettling. 154 00:06:33,227 --> 00:06:36,261 [ominous music playing] 155 00:06:38,097 --> 00:06:40,365 [Monette] This is the worst room in the house. 156 00:06:40,367 --> 00:06:42,033 Okay. So tell me what's going on. 157 00:06:42,035 --> 00:06:45,904 Well, there's like a menacing stalker in this room. 158 00:06:45,906 --> 00:06:48,440 It feels like somebody's always behind you 159 00:06:48,442 --> 00:06:50,041 wherever I go in this room. 160 00:06:50,043 --> 00:06:51,243 Is this something you could see 161 00:06:51,245 --> 00:06:52,344 or is it just a presence? 162 00:06:52,346 --> 00:06:53,478 No, I can't see it. 163 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,282 It's some type of presence, but it's on you, 164 00:06:57,284 --> 00:06:59,117 ready to jump at you at any time. 165 00:06:59,119 --> 00:07:01,586 You feel like you're gonna be attacked. 166 00:07:01,588 --> 00:07:02,788 What else? 167 00:07:02,790 --> 00:07:05,524 Things go missing around here all the time. 168 00:07:05,526 --> 00:07:07,225 Okay. Like what? 169 00:07:07,227 --> 00:07:09,628 - I'll set my keys on the bed. - Okay. 170 00:07:09,630 --> 00:07:11,363 And I'll go wash my hands or brush my teeth. 171 00:07:11,365 --> 00:07:13,432 I'll come back and my keys are gone. 172 00:07:13,434 --> 00:07:14,733 Tear my room up. 173 00:07:14,735 --> 00:07:17,936 I come back and they're right where they were before. 174 00:07:17,938 --> 00:07:19,604 Okay, I mean, I misplace stuff all the time, 175 00:07:19,606 --> 00:07:21,206 and I think they're there, but they're not. 176 00:07:21,208 --> 00:07:23,275 But you're saying it kind of like when you come back, 177 00:07:23,277 --> 00:07:25,510 - it's where it was originally? - Exactly where it was, 178 00:07:25,512 --> 00:07:28,280 and it's really pissing me off. 179 00:07:28,282 --> 00:07:31,316 [ominous music playing] 180 00:07:32,251 --> 00:07:34,019 [door squeaking] 181 00:07:35,721 --> 00:07:37,255 [Amy] The creeper. 182 00:07:37,257 --> 00:07:40,225 He was a bad guy when he was alive. 183 00:07:40,227 --> 00:07:42,294 He likes to steal and move things. 184 00:07:45,331 --> 00:07:46,698 [Matthew] Like what sort of things? 185 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:50,268 Like, oh, look, the remote, oh, [bleep]. 186 00:07:50,270 --> 00:07:53,472 I'll make that disappear for like a week. 187 00:07:57,877 --> 00:07:59,878 [Steve] All right. So what else is going on? 188 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,314 I have been choked before. 189 00:08:02,316 --> 00:08:03,949 Tell me about that. What happened? 190 00:08:03,951 --> 00:08:07,152 My throat was shut, stuck together inside. 191 00:08:07,154 --> 00:08:09,821 I could not get any air in or out. 192 00:08:09,823 --> 00:08:11,223 This went on for a minute and a half. 193 00:08:11,225 --> 00:08:12,991 I really thought I was gonna die. 194 00:08:12,993 --> 00:08:14,926 You think the angle here is to kill you 195 00:08:14,928 --> 00:08:16,428 or kill everybody in the house? 196 00:08:16,430 --> 00:08:17,496 I do. 197 00:08:17,498 --> 00:08:18,697 I absolutely do. 198 00:08:18,699 --> 00:08:20,432 And I don't wanna be next. 199 00:08:23,669 --> 00:08:26,004 [Amy] Seeing like a living woman here. 200 00:08:29,542 --> 00:08:31,243 This is, like, crazy at night. 201 00:08:31,245 --> 00:08:32,777 Okay. 202 00:08:32,779 --> 00:08:36,548 So I think this dead guy is like really angry. 203 00:08:36,550 --> 00:08:39,017 He can jump into adults. 204 00:08:39,019 --> 00:08:41,553 Like, here's the thing. 205 00:08:41,555 --> 00:08:44,155 It's like you can't like swallow, 206 00:08:44,157 --> 00:08:46,525 very hard to swallow when he's in, you know, 207 00:08:46,527 --> 00:08:48,994 near or in you. 208 00:08:51,130 --> 00:08:53,331 You feel like you can't breathe, 209 00:08:53,333 --> 00:08:55,467 get lightheaded, and dizzy, 210 00:08:55,469 --> 00:08:58,937 um, and then compression on the chest. 211 00:08:58,939 --> 00:09:03,708 And besides being sick, it's also the rage. 212 00:09:05,077 --> 00:09:06,878 [Matthew] Do you think that others 213 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,780 might be in danger because of this? 214 00:09:08,782 --> 00:09:10,448 Yes, I think so. 215 00:09:10,450 --> 00:09:12,083 Bad, bad, bad. 216 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:24,262 [ominous music playing] 217 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:30,302 [birds squawking] 218 00:09:38,611 --> 00:09:39,878 I'm more concerned about you guys 219 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,613 especially after talking with your grandmother 220 00:09:41,615 --> 00:09:43,148 about what's going on here. 221 00:09:43,150 --> 00:09:44,616 Have you had experiences? 222 00:09:44,618 --> 00:09:45,850 Yes. 223 00:09:45,852 --> 00:09:47,953 One was actually in my grandmother's room... 224 00:09:47,955 --> 00:09:50,322 - [Steven] Okay. - where I felt like I was being watched. 225 00:09:50,324 --> 00:09:54,926 And in the bathroom there was a black shadow walking past. 226 00:09:54,928 --> 00:09:56,628 So when you said you had the feeling of being watched, 227 00:09:56,630 --> 00:10:00,865 did it feel like it was just curiosity 228 00:10:00,867 --> 00:10:03,001 or did you feel like it was, you know, creepy? 229 00:10:03,003 --> 00:10:04,736 Creepy. 230 00:10:04,738 --> 00:10:07,005 Any other experiences? 231 00:10:07,007 --> 00:10:08,573 Yes. 232 00:10:08,575 --> 00:10:10,308 One in my bedroom. 233 00:10:10,310 --> 00:10:11,710 I was sleeping. 234 00:10:11,712 --> 00:10:13,578 I was having a nightmare that I was being chased 235 00:10:13,580 --> 00:10:14,679 by a stranger. 236 00:10:14,681 --> 00:10:16,948 When I had woken up, I was being choked 237 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:19,551 by what looked like the devil. 238 00:10:19,553 --> 00:10:22,187 And I couldn't breathe and I couldn't move 239 00:10:22,189 --> 00:10:23,521 for a whole minute. 240 00:10:23,523 --> 00:10:25,523 You sure it wasn't part of your dream? 241 00:10:25,525 --> 00:10:27,859 I'm sure. I was up 242 00:10:27,861 --> 00:10:30,195 and I could feel his weight on me, 243 00:10:30,197 --> 00:10:31,830 and I felt his hands around me. 244 00:10:31,832 --> 00:10:33,665 And then after the whole minute, 245 00:10:33,667 --> 00:10:34,633 he disappeared. 246 00:10:34,635 --> 00:10:37,102 I thought I was gonna die. 247 00:10:43,142 --> 00:10:45,844 [woman] I'm seeing like a little girl. 248 00:10:45,846 --> 00:10:46,811 Something's happening. 249 00:10:48,147 --> 00:10:49,080 I'm just hearing her. 250 00:10:49,082 --> 00:10:52,617 Oh, my God, did you see that? 251 00:10:52,619 --> 00:10:56,221 Oh, my God, did you see that? 252 00:10:56,223 --> 00:10:57,989 Like I'm wondering if it's that guy, 253 00:10:57,991 --> 00:11:00,125 like the stalkery dude, 254 00:11:00,127 --> 00:11:01,893 because like I'm not seeing 255 00:11:01,895 --> 00:11:03,695 and I'm getting hit from behind. 256 00:11:06,666 --> 00:11:07,766 It's not good. 257 00:11:10,302 --> 00:11:11,436 [Steve] Anything else? 258 00:11:11,438 --> 00:11:14,239 Yes. Since we have moved into this house, 259 00:11:14,241 --> 00:11:16,641 my health has really gone downhill. 260 00:11:16,643 --> 00:11:17,876 Grandma mentioned that to me. 261 00:11:17,878 --> 00:11:19,911 So what are we talking about? 262 00:11:19,913 --> 00:11:23,948 My stomach has made it hard for me to eat full meals. 263 00:11:23,950 --> 00:11:25,750 It makes it to where I cannot stand up 264 00:11:25,752 --> 00:11:28,353 for more than five minutes. 265 00:11:28,355 --> 00:11:29,521 Have you gone to a doctor 266 00:11:29,523 --> 00:11:31,189 about what the hell is going on with you? 267 00:11:31,191 --> 00:11:32,991 Yes, I have. 268 00:11:32,993 --> 00:11:38,029 They can't find anything wrong with my stomach at all. 269 00:11:38,031 --> 00:11:40,065 Well, grandma thinks this place is trying 270 00:11:40,067 --> 00:11:42,100 to kill you guys, whatever's here. 271 00:11:42,102 --> 00:11:43,902 Do you feel that way? 272 00:11:43,904 --> 00:11:45,904 - Yes. - Okay. 273 00:11:48,574 --> 00:11:50,141 [woman] This one dead dude. 274 00:11:50,143 --> 00:11:52,043 He's definitely a jumper. 275 00:11:52,045 --> 00:11:54,212 Oh, my God. 276 00:11:54,214 --> 00:11:58,616 [sighs] He's very irritating though, this guy. 277 00:11:58,618 --> 00:12:00,385 [Matthew] Why? 278 00:12:00,387 --> 00:12:03,655 Because he, like, sits in your stomach. 279 00:12:05,891 --> 00:12:09,961 You can feel him in your stomach. 280 00:12:09,963 --> 00:12:13,064 It's heavy and like it's sick. 281 00:12:17,703 --> 00:12:19,704 [groaning] 282 00:12:22,374 --> 00:12:23,908 [Matthew] So did he just jump you now? 283 00:12:26,145 --> 00:12:28,580 [woman] When he jumped inside me, I got really dizzy, 284 00:12:28,582 --> 00:12:29,848 I couldn't breathe. 285 00:12:29,850 --> 00:12:33,151 [Matthew] So he has been jumping you this whole time? 286 00:12:33,153 --> 00:12:34,285 Yeah. 287 00:12:36,822 --> 00:12:38,022 Hmm. Hmm. 288 00:12:46,632 --> 00:12:48,600 [Steve] Well, Steven, first off, I wanna extend 289 00:12:48,602 --> 00:12:50,535 my condolences on your father's passing. 290 00:12:50,537 --> 00:12:52,504 - [Steven] Yeah. - What type of guy was he? 291 00:12:52,506 --> 00:12:56,074 He's the type of person he'd give you his last dollar 292 00:12:56,076 --> 00:12:58,143 or the shirt off his back. 293 00:12:58,145 --> 00:12:59,310 I never see him smoke, 294 00:12:59,312 --> 00:13:02,080 I never seen him... Hear him cuss. 295 00:13:02,082 --> 00:13:03,014 He never drank. 296 00:13:03,016 --> 00:13:04,082 You must miss him? 297 00:13:05,651 --> 00:13:06,985 Do you think he's here? 298 00:13:06,987 --> 00:13:09,621 Yes. He's watching over the house. 299 00:13:09,623 --> 00:13:11,689 - I understand, you're what, 52? - Yeah. 300 00:13:11,691 --> 00:13:13,892 - And you had a heart attack? - [Steven] Yeah. 301 00:13:13,894 --> 00:13:16,127 In my feelings, you're a young man to have a heart attack. 302 00:13:16,129 --> 00:13:17,462 Yeah, too young. 303 00:13:17,464 --> 00:13:19,297 So that brings me to a point. 304 00:13:19,299 --> 00:13:20,431 Monette was telling me about, 305 00:13:20,433 --> 00:13:23,201 everybody in the house having some rage issues 306 00:13:23,203 --> 00:13:25,537 - actually, for lack of a better word. - Yeah, anger issues. 307 00:13:25,539 --> 00:13:26,704 And particularly you as well. 308 00:13:26,706 --> 00:13:28,273 What's that all about? What's going on? 309 00:13:28,275 --> 00:13:31,743 It just comes on but I try to keep to myself. 310 00:13:31,745 --> 00:13:33,711 When you do get angry, how angry do you get? 311 00:13:33,713 --> 00:13:35,446 I don't punch holes in the walls anymore. 312 00:13:35,448 --> 00:13:36,581 Anymore? 313 00:13:36,583 --> 00:13:38,349 Yeah. I used to punch holes in the walls 314 00:13:38,351 --> 00:13:39,450 a long time ago. 315 00:13:39,452 --> 00:13:41,586 The two of them does not know. 316 00:13:41,588 --> 00:13:43,555 Okay. 317 00:13:43,557 --> 00:13:46,157 [creaking] 318 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:48,660 [woman] Ooh, like a lot of anger out here. 319 00:13:51,931 --> 00:13:53,131 Lots of anger. 320 00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:54,732 This is coming from a male. 321 00:13:54,734 --> 00:13:56,267 I think he's alive. 322 00:13:57,570 --> 00:14:01,206 He's an extremely tense 323 00:14:01,208 --> 00:14:03,741 and stressed out person. 324 00:14:07,379 --> 00:14:10,081 It's an unusual amount of anger 325 00:14:10,083 --> 00:14:12,851 that he has about... 326 00:14:14,053 --> 00:14:15,353 his life situation. 327 00:14:16,822 --> 00:14:20,225 He feels like [bleep] is just out of control 328 00:14:20,227 --> 00:14:22,727 in his life and like going wrong. 329 00:14:22,729 --> 00:14:25,063 He's very scared 330 00:14:25,065 --> 00:14:27,232 and I see him like punching, 331 00:14:27,234 --> 00:14:28,466 like, punching something. 332 00:14:30,536 --> 00:14:32,136 [Matthew] Do you have any idea how violent 333 00:14:32,138 --> 00:14:34,172 this guy in the garage might become 334 00:14:34,174 --> 00:14:35,506 if he was being jumped? 335 00:14:35,508 --> 00:14:37,508 That would not be a good situation. 336 00:14:37,510 --> 00:14:40,044 Do you think he might capable of killing in that state. 337 00:14:40,046 --> 00:14:41,246 Yes. 338 00:14:42,882 --> 00:14:44,148 [Steve] Anything else? 339 00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:46,451 - I was shoved in my bedroom once. - So what happened? 340 00:14:46,453 --> 00:14:49,053 You know, I just fell back and put a big old hole 341 00:14:49,055 --> 00:14:51,990 from my lower back in the wall. 342 00:14:51,992 --> 00:14:53,291 So this ain't you punching holes 343 00:14:53,293 --> 00:14:54,325 - in the wall? - Oh, no. 344 00:14:54,327 --> 00:14:55,760 And telling everybody else 345 00:14:55,762 --> 00:14:57,228 "You know what? Something pushed me." 346 00:14:57,230 --> 00:14:58,329 No, no, no. 347 00:14:58,331 --> 00:14:59,797 I mean this is no joke. 348 00:14:59,799 --> 00:15:01,699 And you could've fell the wrong way 349 00:15:01,701 --> 00:15:03,167 and I've seen it a million times, 350 00:15:03,169 --> 00:15:04,903 people accidentally break their neck 351 00:15:04,905 --> 00:15:06,604 on a simple little fall. 352 00:15:06,606 --> 00:15:09,374 With all the stuff that's happening to you here, 353 00:15:09,376 --> 00:15:11,242 why don't you just pack and get the hell out? 354 00:15:11,244 --> 00:15:13,177 Because I have nowhere else to go. 355 00:15:17,349 --> 00:15:19,684 [woman] I don't like this, the creeper. 356 00:15:19,686 --> 00:15:21,986 He is watching. 357 00:15:21,988 --> 00:15:23,321 Watching what? 358 00:15:23,323 --> 00:15:24,522 Whoever is in this room, 359 00:15:24,524 --> 00:15:26,824 I think he doesn't like them 360 00:15:26,826 --> 00:15:28,626 just standing there and watching, 361 00:15:31,463 --> 00:15:32,497 like... 362 00:15:34,066 --> 00:15:36,968 he's like right here 363 00:15:36,970 --> 00:15:38,703 and he's got his knife. 364 00:15:38,705 --> 00:15:40,204 This makes me nervous. 365 00:15:40,206 --> 00:15:41,339 He wants to kill them. 366 00:15:43,909 --> 00:15:48,246 So that's not good. 367 00:16:00,693 --> 00:16:01,859 [Steve] If you're looking for lots of heat 368 00:16:01,861 --> 00:16:03,194 and open land, 369 00:16:03,196 --> 00:16:05,096 Victorville is the place for you. 370 00:16:05,098 --> 00:16:07,298 I was worried I wouldn't find much history here. 371 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:09,033 But when I called a local archivist, 372 00:16:09,035 --> 00:16:11,669 she said the Native American tribe that lived here 373 00:16:11,671 --> 00:16:13,338 had a miserable time. 374 00:16:13,340 --> 00:16:15,373 But it wasn't the settlers who drove them out. 375 00:16:15,375 --> 00:16:16,841 It was another tribe. 376 00:16:24,116 --> 00:16:26,584 So Rebecca, I wanna thank you for meeting me out here. 377 00:16:26,586 --> 00:16:29,053 All right, so who was the tribe that lived here? 378 00:16:29,055 --> 00:16:30,955 Yeah. So they were called the Serrano tribe 379 00:16:30,957 --> 00:16:34,559 and they had a village in this area called Topapaibit 380 00:16:34,561 --> 00:16:36,995 and it extended into your client's property. 381 00:16:36,997 --> 00:16:39,063 All right. So I got to think at some point they came 382 00:16:39,065 --> 00:16:40,865 into contact with settlers, right? 383 00:16:40,867 --> 00:16:42,900 Definitely, the Spanish started arriving 384 00:16:42,902 --> 00:16:45,403 in the late 1700s. 385 00:16:45,405 --> 00:16:47,472 And since the Serrano are a peaceful people, 386 00:16:47,474 --> 00:16:48,573 they actually helped them 387 00:16:48,575 --> 00:16:51,009 navigate the harsh Mojave Desert early on. 388 00:16:51,011 --> 00:16:52,877 So how did the Spanish treat the tribe? 389 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:56,381 The Spanish saw the Serrano as pagan and primitive. 390 00:16:56,383 --> 00:16:59,283 So they started trying to convert them to Christianity 391 00:16:59,285 --> 00:17:01,352 - as soon as possible. - Okay. 392 00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:03,221 Some were persuaded pretty easily 393 00:17:03,223 --> 00:17:05,490 while others had to be forced into it. 394 00:17:05,492 --> 00:17:07,358 Okay. So when you say forced into it, what are we talking about? 395 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:10,728 They use tactics like starving them into submission. 396 00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:14,132 Essentially, they would destroy their crops and their way of life. 397 00:17:14,134 --> 00:17:15,666 Now, Rebecca, you mentioned on the phone to me 398 00:17:15,668 --> 00:17:18,936 that it wasn't the settlers that drove the Serranos out, 399 00:17:18,938 --> 00:17:20,705 but it was another tribe, who were they? 400 00:17:20,707 --> 00:17:23,174 So the Mojave tribe also lived in this area. 401 00:17:23,176 --> 00:17:26,444 They saw the Serrano as enabling the Spanish. 402 00:17:26,446 --> 00:17:28,312 They were disgusted that so many of them 403 00:17:28,314 --> 00:17:30,014 had converted to Christianity 404 00:17:30,016 --> 00:17:31,416 and the Spanish way of life. 405 00:17:31,418 --> 00:17:33,551 Okay. So how exactly did the Mojave 406 00:17:33,553 --> 00:17:34,952 get rid of the Serrano tribe? 407 00:17:34,954 --> 00:17:36,854 November of 1819, 408 00:17:36,856 --> 00:17:40,658 the Serrano in this area got wind of a Mojave war party 409 00:17:40,660 --> 00:17:42,627 that was coming through the area. 410 00:17:42,629 --> 00:17:45,963 So they actually abandoned Topapaibit, their village, 411 00:17:45,965 --> 00:17:48,099 in hopes to avoid violence. 412 00:17:48,101 --> 00:17:51,035 But not all of them escaped alive. 413 00:17:51,037 --> 00:17:52,136 All right, so what happened? 414 00:17:52,138 --> 00:17:54,372 So we know that at least eight Serrano 415 00:17:54,374 --> 00:17:56,107 didn't make it out of this area. 416 00:17:56,109 --> 00:17:58,109 So Rebecca when I was at my client's house, 417 00:17:58,111 --> 00:17:59,744 I noticed there's a lot of tract housing 418 00:17:59,746 --> 00:18:01,112 in the area. 419 00:18:01,114 --> 00:18:03,181 Do you have any idea if they've uncovered any bodies 420 00:18:03,183 --> 00:18:04,515 when they did the construction? 421 00:18:04,517 --> 00:18:06,651 Not when they were putting your client's house up. 422 00:18:06,653 --> 00:18:10,188 But a rancher in the 1940s was plowing his land 423 00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:13,157 and actually unearthed 26 Serrano skeletons 424 00:18:13,159 --> 00:18:16,127 and it was in the news. 425 00:18:16,129 --> 00:18:18,496 It was believed that this mass burial site 426 00:18:18,498 --> 00:18:21,265 was actually a cemetery for Topapaibit. 427 00:18:21,267 --> 00:18:22,934 How far is this from my client's property? 428 00:18:22,936 --> 00:18:25,236 So there's a marker on site there today. 429 00:18:25,238 --> 00:18:27,271 And it's about a mile from your client's property. 430 00:18:27,273 --> 00:18:28,973 -[Steve] All right. So it's close. -Yeah. 431 00:18:32,277 --> 00:18:36,547 There is a bit of negative energy here. 432 00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:38,583 The sadness gets heavier. 433 00:18:38,585 --> 00:18:39,750 Sure, sure, Sure. 434 00:18:39,752 --> 00:18:42,320 Loss, loss, sad, sad. 435 00:18:42,322 --> 00:18:44,255 I'm like, is it [bleep] cursed? 436 00:18:49,161 --> 00:18:52,997 There are a handful of dead people 437 00:18:52,999 --> 00:18:55,233 that are kind of wandering around. 438 00:18:58,604 --> 00:19:00,605 I do think something occurred here. 439 00:19:00,607 --> 00:19:04,142 There's something with a curse, okay. 440 00:19:04,144 --> 00:19:06,110 And that's why things are bad. 441 00:19:08,447 --> 00:19:09,780 [Steve] So far, I've got a client 442 00:19:09,782 --> 00:19:11,582 who thinks the paranormal killed her roommate 443 00:19:11,584 --> 00:19:14,552 on property near a Native American burial site, 444 00:19:14,554 --> 00:19:16,554 but I wanna see if there's anything else. 445 00:19:16,556 --> 00:19:19,690 [dramatic music playing] 446 00:19:19,692 --> 00:19:21,159 [Steve] Searching through old records, 447 00:19:21,161 --> 00:19:22,860 I found the suicide that took place 448 00:19:22,862 --> 00:19:24,428 right by Monet's house. 449 00:19:24,430 --> 00:19:25,796 Maybe it's just a coincidence, 450 00:19:25,798 --> 00:19:28,633 but this guy killed himself at the age of 82, 451 00:19:28,635 --> 00:19:31,102 nearly the exact same age as Monet's roommate 452 00:19:31,104 --> 00:19:32,703 when he died. 453 00:19:32,705 --> 00:19:34,272 In my experience, it's very rare 454 00:19:34,274 --> 00:19:36,307 for someone that age to kill themselves. 455 00:19:36,309 --> 00:19:37,808 I'm on my way to meet a historian 456 00:19:37,810 --> 00:19:39,644 to see if there's more to this story. 457 00:19:46,151 --> 00:19:48,553 So Dylan I wanna thank you for helping me out with this case. 458 00:19:48,555 --> 00:19:50,321 So, the guy that killed himself, who was he? 459 00:19:50,323 --> 00:19:53,491 Uh, that'll be Robert Turner. Here's a photo of him. 460 00:19:53,493 --> 00:19:54,692 He was one of the key figures 461 00:19:54,694 --> 00:19:56,294 in putting Victorville on the map. 462 00:19:56,296 --> 00:19:57,895 [Steve] I assume he was married, kids? 463 00:19:57,897 --> 00:20:00,398 Yeah, yeah, six kids, wife Susan. 464 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,366 You said this guy helped put the city on the map. 465 00:20:02,368 --> 00:20:03,234 How'd he do that? 466 00:20:03,236 --> 00:20:04,802 He was here at the right time. 467 00:20:04,804 --> 00:20:07,171 He started one of the first large cattle ranches locally. 468 00:20:07,173 --> 00:20:10,074 And then he diversified into businesses 469 00:20:10,076 --> 00:20:12,710 like a hotel, a general store, and mining. 470 00:20:12,712 --> 00:20:15,479 He was the king of the Victor Valley for a while. 471 00:20:15,481 --> 00:20:17,181 So it sounds like this guy's making money. 472 00:20:17,183 --> 00:20:19,283 I mean, did he have any shady deals going on? 473 00:20:19,285 --> 00:20:21,319 There is evidence of land speculation 474 00:20:21,321 --> 00:20:23,221 and shady deals happening here 475 00:20:23,223 --> 00:20:25,523 because he was the guy in charge, 476 00:20:25,525 --> 00:20:27,925 he pretty much named his price 477 00:20:27,927 --> 00:20:30,962 when selling lots and selling ranch land 478 00:20:30,964 --> 00:20:32,964 - to people coming in. - Okay. 479 00:20:32,966 --> 00:20:34,098 So it was his way or the highway? 480 00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:35,199 - Yeah. - All right. 481 00:20:35,201 --> 00:20:36,934 So, Dylan with the shady dealings 482 00:20:36,936 --> 00:20:38,369 is that part of the reason he kills himself? 483 00:20:38,371 --> 00:20:41,672 No. He started to experience personal tragedies. 484 00:20:41,674 --> 00:20:43,274 He lost his youngest son, 485 00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:45,209 who was age four to undisclosed causes. 486 00:20:45,211 --> 00:20:48,679 And then in 1899, he lost another son. 487 00:20:48,681 --> 00:20:51,882 This is Frank and Frank ran the general store. 488 00:20:51,884 --> 00:20:53,584 [Steve] How old was this guy when he died? 489 00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:54,552 [Dylan] Frank was 24. 490 00:20:54,554 --> 00:20:56,187 Do we know what he died from? 491 00:20:56,189 --> 00:20:57,255 We don't know. 492 00:20:57,257 --> 00:20:58,656 That's a local mystery. 493 00:20:58,658 --> 00:21:02,493 The final blow was the loss of his wife in 1912. 494 00:21:02,495 --> 00:21:03,828 [Steve] Let's get to the suicide. 495 00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:05,029 I mean, what happened? 496 00:21:05,031 --> 00:21:07,531 [Dylan] So in 1916. He's 82-years-old. 497 00:21:07,533 --> 00:21:09,200 He's living on the family cattle ranch. 498 00:21:09,202 --> 00:21:12,136 This is about a mile from your client's property. 499 00:21:12,138 --> 00:21:15,506 He takes this. 44 caliber Winchester lever-action 500 00:21:15,508 --> 00:21:17,642 and he positions it against the floor, 501 00:21:17,644 --> 00:21:18,843 the butt against the floor, 502 00:21:18,845 --> 00:21:20,378 and the muzzle of the gun into his chest 503 00:21:20,380 --> 00:21:23,180 and discharges the firearm into his body. 504 00:21:24,383 --> 00:21:25,883 [Steve] Eighty-two-years-old. 505 00:21:25,885 --> 00:21:27,618 You don't hear a lot of 82-year-olds committing suicide. 506 00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:28,953 When you're a man of this character 507 00:21:28,955 --> 00:21:31,355 and you've done all of this and you've built a city, 508 00:21:31,357 --> 00:21:33,424 decrepitude and old age, 509 00:21:33,426 --> 00:21:35,159 it may not be the easiest thing to swallow. 510 00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:37,595 [ominous music playing] 511 00:21:39,665 --> 00:21:42,033 [Amy] The creeper guy keeps following me. 512 00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:49,206 I'd put him maybe 1908. 513 00:21:49,208 --> 00:21:53,444 I think he was pretty bad, 514 00:21:53,446 --> 00:21:59,250 devious, like, scoundrel. 515 00:21:59,252 --> 00:22:01,652 I feel like he robbed people. 516 00:22:01,654 --> 00:22:03,854 [ominous music playing] 517 00:22:06,291 --> 00:22:09,560 Okay. So I did just hear a gunshot. 518 00:22:09,562 --> 00:22:10,661 [Matthew] What's going on? 519 00:22:10,663 --> 00:22:12,396 I got a suicide. 520 00:22:14,766 --> 00:22:16,100 Pretty sure it was a man. 521 00:22:17,369 --> 00:22:18,869 I just feel really stressed out. 522 00:22:18,871 --> 00:22:20,004 [ominous music playing] 523 00:22:26,478 --> 00:22:28,245 For more information about the show 524 00:22:28,247 --> 00:22:29,780 and if you need us to investigate 525 00:22:29,782 --> 00:22:31,649 unexplained activity in your home... 526 00:22:31,651 --> 00:22:35,152 Please visit TravelChannel.com/ TheDeadFiles. 527 00:22:35,154 --> 00:22:37,488 Click on help me Dead Files to submit your story. 528 00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:38,656 And we'll help if we can. 529 00:22:39,758 --> 00:22:42,159 [ominous music playing] 530 00:22:45,497 --> 00:22:47,264 [Steve] I was driving around Monet's neighborhood 531 00:22:47,266 --> 00:22:49,433 and drove right by a huge prison. 532 00:22:49,435 --> 00:22:52,269 Turns out the place opened in 2004. 533 00:22:52,271 --> 00:22:53,804 And there's already been a lot of deaths 534 00:22:53,806 --> 00:22:55,339 behind those walls. 535 00:22:55,341 --> 00:22:56,974 I've tracked on a former inmate 536 00:22:56,976 --> 00:22:59,810 who is gonna talk to me about his experiences there. 537 00:22:59,812 --> 00:23:02,179 Says it gives him nightmares to this day. 538 00:23:02,181 --> 00:23:04,615 [ominous music playing] 539 00:23:09,588 --> 00:23:11,355 [Steve] JC, appreciate you meeting with me. 540 00:23:11,357 --> 00:23:12,623 So I got to ask you a question, 541 00:23:12,625 --> 00:23:13,824 how did you wind up in Victorville? 542 00:23:13,826 --> 00:23:15,760 I ended up there on a violation. 543 00:23:15,762 --> 00:23:18,763 My original case was, uh, distribution of cocaine. 544 00:23:18,765 --> 00:23:19,797 - Okay. - Went in, 545 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:20,965 did my time, got out. 546 00:23:20,967 --> 00:23:23,367 And I was actually at a pool party. 547 00:23:23,369 --> 00:23:24,802 Everybody was smoking weed. 548 00:23:24,804 --> 00:23:27,438 So I was, like, decided to take a little hit off a joint. 549 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,640 - Okay. - Next day, my PO calls me. 550 00:23:29,642 --> 00:23:31,675 So I went in, they arrested me right there 551 00:23:31,677 --> 00:23:32,843 and then in the office. 552 00:23:32,845 --> 00:23:34,111 So somebody dropped a dime on you 553 00:23:34,113 --> 00:23:35,813 without a doubt. [laughs] 554 00:23:35,815 --> 00:23:37,081 I don't wanna think about it. 555 00:23:37,083 --> 00:23:38,983 But, man, I wouldn't put it past nobody. 556 00:23:38,985 --> 00:23:40,918 So when you got there. 557 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,153 I mean, you have been in prison before. 558 00:23:42,155 --> 00:23:43,287 So I'm curious. 559 00:23:43,289 --> 00:23:44,622 What was your impression when you walked in? 560 00:23:44,624 --> 00:23:45,956 I mean, I've been to prison in Mexico. 561 00:23:45,958 --> 00:23:47,658 And I've seen some pretty wild stuff. 562 00:23:47,660 --> 00:23:51,762 When I got there, uh, the energy I felt is bad. 563 00:23:51,764 --> 00:23:53,898 So what kind of things did you see when you were there? 564 00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:56,267 I mean, walking in the door. 565 00:23:56,269 --> 00:23:58,068 Somebody had already got killed. 566 00:23:58,070 --> 00:24:00,171 So as soon as we walked into the kitchen, 567 00:24:00,173 --> 00:24:01,172 they were gonna feed us, 568 00:24:01,174 --> 00:24:03,908 there was blood all over the wall. 569 00:24:03,910 --> 00:24:06,777 - Okay. - On the floor, and handprints, 570 00:24:06,779 --> 00:24:09,413 bloody handprints all over the wall. 571 00:24:09,415 --> 00:24:12,450 And, uh, I was like, holy [bleep] 572 00:24:12,452 --> 00:24:14,752 like, what am I doing back again? 573 00:24:14,754 --> 00:24:16,454 So you first day there and this is what you're seeing? 574 00:24:16,456 --> 00:24:17,588 Yeah. 575 00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:18,856 I've heard it's been called victim zone. 576 00:24:18,858 --> 00:24:20,791 - Yeah. - I mean, I know the deal, 577 00:24:20,793 --> 00:24:22,693 been... I was on the job long enough to know what goes on. 578 00:24:22,695 --> 00:24:26,130 But how did you survive as far as tactically inside? 579 00:24:26,132 --> 00:24:27,932 Violence and knives, man. 580 00:24:27,934 --> 00:24:30,301 Do you know how many homicides 581 00:24:30,303 --> 00:24:32,570 that have been there since it opened? 582 00:24:32,572 --> 00:24:34,271 - Total of eight. - Okay. 583 00:24:34,273 --> 00:24:36,440 Any of those eight stand out to you? 584 00:24:36,442 --> 00:24:40,044 In 2005, a guy got stabbed to death 585 00:24:40,046 --> 00:24:42,012 over a couple bucks of tobacco. 586 00:24:42,014 --> 00:24:44,748 - Okay. - People might say that 587 00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:47,651 that's like little, but in there, it's a lot. 588 00:24:47,653 --> 00:24:50,087 Okay. Anything else that stood out? 589 00:24:50,089 --> 00:24:52,289 In 2014 there was two cellmates 590 00:24:52,291 --> 00:24:55,693 that got killed in their cell. 591 00:24:55,695 --> 00:24:58,629 It was never really pinned on nobody. 592 00:24:58,631 --> 00:25:00,064 They don't know who did it. 593 00:25:00,066 --> 00:25:01,632 I've heard of a lot of homicides in jail, 594 00:25:01,634 --> 00:25:02,933 but it's the first time, a double, 595 00:25:02,935 --> 00:25:04,768 - inside the same cell. - Yeah. 596 00:25:04,770 --> 00:25:06,604 So I know a lot of things haunt me. 597 00:25:06,606 --> 00:25:08,305 Does that prison still haunt you? 598 00:25:08,307 --> 00:25:10,274 Sometimes, you know, I hadn't... 599 00:25:10,276 --> 00:25:12,376 I hadn't slept for 15 years. 600 00:25:12,378 --> 00:25:16,247 And, uh, I just barely started sleeping 601 00:25:16,249 --> 00:25:17,515 a couple days ago. 602 00:25:17,517 --> 00:25:18,582 I'm glad to hear that. 603 00:25:18,584 --> 00:25:21,085 [ominous music playing] 604 00:25:21,087 --> 00:25:24,522 [Amy] I saw all of these people. 605 00:25:24,524 --> 00:25:26,457 They'd stood up from the earth, 606 00:25:26,459 --> 00:25:29,059 and there was probably about 20. 607 00:25:29,061 --> 00:25:32,563 They are wanderers. 608 00:25:32,565 --> 00:25:35,633 And they are looking for help. 609 00:25:35,635 --> 00:25:37,835 And what I was told was that 610 00:25:37,837 --> 00:25:42,172 these were murder victims who knew too much. 611 00:25:42,174 --> 00:25:45,209 But we're spanning like several decades. 612 00:25:45,211 --> 00:25:47,711 [ominous music playing] 613 00:25:51,716 --> 00:25:54,318 [Amy] I saw a lot of disturbing things on my walk. 614 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,922 But the creeper concerns me the most. 615 00:25:57,924 --> 00:26:00,157 He has a hat on 616 00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:02,493 and it's just kind of like beat up. 617 00:26:02,495 --> 00:26:06,597 He had tan skin, dark hair to his neck. 618 00:26:09,834 --> 00:26:11,302 His lips are rounded. 619 00:26:11,304 --> 00:26:13,904 There's no points or anything very rounded. 620 00:26:15,307 --> 00:26:17,274 Next, I described the creeper 621 00:26:17,276 --> 00:26:20,077 jumping a living man in the garage. 622 00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:22,980 I wanna show like the dead guy, 623 00:26:22,982 --> 00:26:28,986 like, going into the stomach of this living guy. 624 00:26:28,988 --> 00:26:32,289 I want to show his face enraged. 625 00:26:32,291 --> 00:26:34,658 Because that's what this guy, 626 00:26:34,660 --> 00:26:38,228 like, brings out in him, rage. 627 00:26:40,131 --> 00:26:43,200 Amy, is this what you saw? 628 00:26:43,202 --> 00:26:44,768 Yes, that's what I saw. 629 00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:47,338 [ominous music playing] 630 00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:53,944 [ominous music playing] 631 00:27:05,156 --> 00:27:07,825 [Steve] Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 632 00:27:07,827 --> 00:27:10,494 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 633 00:27:10,496 --> 00:27:13,030 and our clients for the first time. 634 00:27:13,032 --> 00:27:15,065 Guys, I'd like you to meet Amy, 635 00:27:15,067 --> 00:27:17,101 she's gonna be doing the reveal from another room 636 00:27:17,103 --> 00:27:19,003 so she can concentrate on your case 637 00:27:19,005 --> 00:27:21,505 as well as the dead without any distractions. 638 00:27:21,507 --> 00:27:23,073 Amy, I want you to meet the three people 639 00:27:23,075 --> 00:27:24,041 who live in this house. 640 00:27:24,043 --> 00:27:25,175 This is Monette. 641 00:27:25,177 --> 00:27:26,477 She's the one that called us in. 642 00:27:26,479 --> 00:27:29,513 This is her granddaughter Paije who's 20. 643 00:27:29,515 --> 00:27:32,216 And this is Steven, who is a family friend 644 00:27:32,218 --> 00:27:34,018 and the co-owner of the house. 645 00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:36,520 Monette and Paije are terrified 646 00:27:36,522 --> 00:27:42,359 and think that whatever's here is evil and wants to kill. 647 00:27:42,361 --> 00:27:44,862 So, unless Amy's got some questions for you guys, 648 00:27:44,864 --> 00:27:46,563 uh, she'll tell us about her walk. 649 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,534 When I first got here, 650 00:27:50,536 --> 00:27:56,273 the feelings that I got were extreme sadness, 651 00:27:56,275 --> 00:27:59,777 and that just kind of permeates this area, 652 00:27:59,779 --> 00:28:02,746 which indicated to me that there had been 653 00:28:02,748 --> 00:28:05,883 some type of substantial loss. 654 00:28:05,885 --> 00:28:09,253 The living here may be prone 655 00:28:09,255 --> 00:28:14,024 to having depressive episodes and feeling lost. 656 00:28:14,026 --> 00:28:16,794 I've never actually been one to be depressed. 657 00:28:16,796 --> 00:28:20,130 But I have been since I moved here. 658 00:28:21,766 --> 00:28:23,233 It's probably a shot in the dark, 659 00:28:23,235 --> 00:28:25,569 but there's something you probably should know about, 660 00:28:25,571 --> 00:28:27,171 that came up from research. 661 00:28:27,173 --> 00:28:28,772 This land was originally settled 662 00:28:28,774 --> 00:28:30,808 by the Serrano Indians. 663 00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:35,112 Now their village actually extended 664 00:28:35,114 --> 00:28:36,714 to your property here. 665 00:28:36,716 --> 00:28:39,183 In 1700s, the Spanish settlers came, 666 00:28:39,185 --> 00:28:41,351 they saw that tribe as being primitive 667 00:28:41,353 --> 00:28:43,854 and started converting them to Christianity. 668 00:28:43,856 --> 00:28:45,923 Anyone who resisted was tortured. 669 00:28:45,925 --> 00:28:47,257 Oh. 670 00:28:47,259 --> 00:28:49,526 So eventually they got driven out of this area, 671 00:28:49,528 --> 00:28:51,662 but not by the Spanish settlers 672 00:28:51,664 --> 00:28:53,897 by the neighboring Mojave tribe. 673 00:28:53,899 --> 00:28:57,101 Now in 1940, a local farmer was plowing his land, 674 00:28:57,103 --> 00:28:58,635 about a mile from here. 675 00:28:58,637 --> 00:29:01,171 He stumbled onto a Serrano burial site, 676 00:29:01,173 --> 00:29:03,674 and there was remains of 26 people. 677 00:29:03,676 --> 00:29:05,676 Now I got a photo of it. 678 00:29:07,345 --> 00:29:09,379 It's kind of sad to look at. 679 00:29:09,381 --> 00:29:12,282 Now do you think the sadness might've came from this tribe? 680 00:29:12,284 --> 00:29:13,484 Mmm-hmm. Yeah. 681 00:29:17,489 --> 00:29:19,123 [Steve] So what else? 682 00:29:19,125 --> 00:29:22,993 What I feel is affecting you the most 683 00:29:22,995 --> 00:29:24,762 and is the biggest problem here, 684 00:29:24,764 --> 00:29:27,464 there is one very conscious, 685 00:29:27,466 --> 00:29:31,101 pretty dangerous dead guy who is here. 686 00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:32,336 I called him the creeper 687 00:29:32,338 --> 00:29:35,939 because he likes to watch people. 688 00:29:35,941 --> 00:29:39,109 He likes to get right up on you, 689 00:29:39,111 --> 00:29:41,812 like, almost to where he's at your back 690 00:29:41,814 --> 00:29:44,214 and, like, his face is right here. 691 00:29:44,216 --> 00:29:47,484 One time when I was in my grandma's room, 692 00:29:47,486 --> 00:29:49,586 I felt like I was being watched. 693 00:29:49,588 --> 00:29:51,789 And then out of nowhere, there was a shadow 694 00:29:51,791 --> 00:29:55,993 in my grandma's room walking past the doorway. 695 00:29:55,995 --> 00:29:58,028 And there was no way it was coming from the outside, correct? 696 00:29:58,030 --> 00:30:00,063 No. 697 00:30:00,065 --> 00:30:03,567 His thing, you know, he loves to steal things. 698 00:30:03,569 --> 00:30:07,104 Something as stupid as, like, he would take, 699 00:30:07,106 --> 00:30:09,206 you know, a remote control. 700 00:30:09,208 --> 00:30:12,609 And, like, hide it for like a week. 701 00:30:12,611 --> 00:30:17,815 And then you would find it exactly where you put it. 702 00:30:17,817 --> 00:30:19,917 Wow. It's pretty amazing. 703 00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:22,352 Sadly, it's exactly like she said, 704 00:30:22,354 --> 00:30:25,055 I'll have my keys sitting on my bed. 705 00:30:25,057 --> 00:30:27,891 And I'll go wash my hands or brush my teeth, 706 00:30:27,893 --> 00:30:29,927 come back, the keys are absolutely gone. 707 00:30:29,929 --> 00:30:32,095 I go to look for a spare, and there they are 708 00:30:32,097 --> 00:30:34,631 sitting in the exact same spot. 709 00:30:34,633 --> 00:30:38,202 So absolutely irritating beyond belief. 710 00:30:38,204 --> 00:30:39,636 Any idea who this guy might have been 711 00:30:39,638 --> 00:30:41,004 when he was alive? 712 00:30:41,006 --> 00:30:43,240 [Amy] He was from way back. 713 00:30:43,242 --> 00:30:46,677 I kept hearing 1908 for some reason, 714 00:30:46,679 --> 00:30:49,813 definitely got the impression that he wasn't a great guy 715 00:30:49,815 --> 00:30:51,148 when he was alive. 716 00:30:51,150 --> 00:30:53,016 He liked to rob people. 717 00:30:53,018 --> 00:30:55,118 I just got that he was a scoundrel 718 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,055 and that he was very devious. 719 00:30:58,057 --> 00:31:00,123 So I think he was just a criminal. 720 00:31:00,125 --> 00:31:03,227 He also loves knives. 721 00:31:03,229 --> 00:31:06,597 He's obsessed with them. 722 00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:09,333 His death was not great. 723 00:31:09,335 --> 00:31:11,768 It was something like choking. 724 00:31:11,770 --> 00:31:15,339 - He couldn't breathe. - Okay. 725 00:31:15,341 --> 00:31:17,875 I mean, it's... For me, it's not a lot to go on. 726 00:31:17,877 --> 00:31:19,343 But one of the things you were saying 727 00:31:19,345 --> 00:31:21,111 especially the 1908 plot, 728 00:31:21,113 --> 00:31:23,413 had me thinking of one of the city's 729 00:31:23,415 --> 00:31:24,781 founding fathers. 730 00:31:24,783 --> 00:31:26,183 His name was Robert Turner. 731 00:31:26,185 --> 00:31:28,318 And he came here from Pennsylvania in the 1860s. 732 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,321 Robert built a very successful cattle ranch 733 00:31:31,323 --> 00:31:32,956 less than a mile from your house here. 734 00:31:32,958 --> 00:31:35,392 But according to the expert I spoke to, 735 00:31:35,394 --> 00:31:36,994 he wasn't that good of a guy. 736 00:31:36,996 --> 00:31:39,129 He made some shady deals, 737 00:31:39,131 --> 00:31:41,732 but he also suffered from some personal tragedies. 738 00:31:41,734 --> 00:31:44,668 He lost his four-year-old son in 1881 739 00:31:44,670 --> 00:31:47,671 after that happened, his 24-year-old son 740 00:31:47,673 --> 00:31:51,642 dropped dead of unknown causes in 1899. 741 00:31:51,644 --> 00:31:53,010 I got a picture of the son. 742 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,782 Now the biggest blow to this guy came in 1912 743 00:31:58,784 --> 00:32:01,385 when Turner's wife died after an illness. 744 00:32:01,387 --> 00:32:03,353 Now this was all too much for Turner. 745 00:32:03,355 --> 00:32:08,659 In 1916, he took a. 44 rifle, 746 00:32:08,661 --> 00:32:10,160 put it against his body, 747 00:32:10,162 --> 00:32:13,230 basically in his chest, blew his chest out. 748 00:32:13,232 --> 00:32:14,765 Now, I've seen what a. 44 rifle 749 00:32:14,767 --> 00:32:16,733 could do to somebody that close, 750 00:32:16,735 --> 00:32:18,168 it must have been a mess. 751 00:32:18,170 --> 00:32:20,671 Now I got a photo of this guy. 752 00:32:20,673 --> 00:32:22,940 Was there any way that this guy could be the creeper? 753 00:32:22,942 --> 00:32:26,910 I had a sketch of the person I encountered. 754 00:32:26,912 --> 00:32:29,379 [tense music playing] 755 00:32:34,152 --> 00:32:36,620 Oh, yeah, this looks nothing like the two guys 756 00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:38,055 I just showed you. 757 00:32:38,057 --> 00:32:40,490 He's a miserable looking son of a bitch, isn't he? 758 00:32:42,226 --> 00:32:43,193 [Steven] Wow. 759 00:32:44,495 --> 00:32:47,631 - [Paije] Very scary. - [Monette] It's creepy. 760 00:32:47,633 --> 00:32:49,333 [Steve] You know, this was a ranch years ago. 761 00:32:49,335 --> 00:32:51,001 This place is filled with cowboys and stuff 762 00:32:51,003 --> 00:32:53,103 and this... Could this guy have been maybe a ranch hand 763 00:32:53,105 --> 00:32:54,938 that was a drifter that came through? 764 00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:57,107 That could be. Yeah. 765 00:32:57,109 --> 00:32:59,209 Okay, So we don't know who this creeper guy is, 766 00:32:59,211 --> 00:33:00,844 but you did say he was dangerous. 767 00:33:00,846 --> 00:33:02,079 So what does he do? 768 00:33:02,081 --> 00:33:06,883 He can jump into the body of living people. 769 00:33:06,885 --> 00:33:08,919 He did it to me during the walk. 770 00:33:08,921 --> 00:33:11,355 [ominous music playing] 771 00:33:17,261 --> 00:33:18,695 [Matthew] So did he just jump you now? 772 00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:24,701 I felt sick, dizzy, couldn't breathe. 773 00:33:24,703 --> 00:33:29,339 And I felt like I couldn't swallow. 774 00:33:29,341 --> 00:33:32,409 This is something that the living here could experience. 775 00:33:34,612 --> 00:33:36,013 Are you okay, sweetie? 776 00:33:36,015 --> 00:33:38,815 - Can I... - [Steve] Yeah, sure. Go ahead. 777 00:33:43,988 --> 00:33:45,255 You okay? 778 00:33:47,859 --> 00:33:49,292 - [Monette] Love bug. - [Paije] Yeah. 779 00:33:49,294 --> 00:33:51,228 - [Monette] Are you okay? - [Paije] Yeah. 780 00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:52,929 [Monette speaking] 781 00:33:52,931 --> 00:33:54,431 [Paije speaking 782 00:33:54,433 --> 00:33:59,302 [Monette speaking] 783 00:33:59,304 --> 00:34:01,905 [Paije speaking] 784 00:34:01,907 --> 00:34:05,275 - [Monette speaking] - [Paije speaking] 785 00:34:05,277 --> 00:34:07,511 [Monette speaking] 786 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,581 - You okay? - Yeah. 787 00:34:11,583 --> 00:34:14,251 - [Steve] You okay, sweetie? - Mmm-hmm. Yeah. 788 00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:19,289 Paije, when you see that what's going through your mind? 789 00:34:19,291 --> 00:34:23,393 One night, I was having a nightmare. 790 00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:27,264 And it was a stranger that was choking me. 791 00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:28,765 When I had woken up, 792 00:34:28,767 --> 00:34:31,234 this stranger had turned into the devil. 793 00:34:31,236 --> 00:34:34,538 And I couldn't breathe for a good minute. 794 00:34:34,540 --> 00:34:37,074 I felt his weight on top of my chest. 795 00:34:37,076 --> 00:34:39,209 And he was just sitting on top of me, 796 00:34:39,211 --> 00:34:41,478 choking me and laughing at me. 797 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,482 And then after one minute, he disappeared. 798 00:34:45,484 --> 00:34:47,617 Come here. Listen to me. Listen to me. 799 00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:49,252 It's gonna be okay, all right? 800 00:34:49,254 --> 00:34:51,955 I'm not going anywhere. Nobody's gonna leave here. 801 00:34:51,957 --> 00:34:54,825 We're gonna find out what the hell to do with this guy. 802 00:34:54,827 --> 00:34:56,159 I'm gonna get rid of him, okay? 803 00:34:56,161 --> 00:34:57,227 - [Paije] Okay. - [Steve] All right. 804 00:34:57,229 --> 00:34:59,496 Can I get your jacket, grandma? 805 00:34:59,498 --> 00:35:02,933 So I could get this cold off of me? 806 00:35:02,935 --> 00:35:04,734 - [Steve] Yeah, sure. - [Monette] Yeah. 807 00:35:04,736 --> 00:35:07,037 - Is that better? Felt better? - Yeah. Mmm-hmm. 808 00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:10,140 So talking about being choked. You had the same... 809 00:35:10,142 --> 00:35:11,575 Something similar happened to you? 810 00:35:11,577 --> 00:35:17,380 Yes, I woke up and it felt as though fingers had squeezed 811 00:35:17,382 --> 00:35:19,416 - the inside of my throat shut. - Mmm-hmm. 812 00:35:19,418 --> 00:35:20,584 I don't know how long it was, 813 00:35:20,586 --> 00:35:22,219 but to me, it was like an eternity. 814 00:35:22,221 --> 00:35:24,754 Super scary, and I thought that was it. 815 00:35:24,756 --> 00:35:28,592 It's a possibility that you were experiencing 816 00:35:28,594 --> 00:35:32,629 what he went through when he died. 817 00:35:32,631 --> 00:35:36,833 Another thing about this guy, he can make you very sick. 818 00:35:36,835 --> 00:35:38,135 When he jumped me, 819 00:35:38,137 --> 00:35:40,770 I felt this like weight in my stomach. 820 00:35:40,772 --> 00:35:43,073 And, like, it was so uncomfortable. 821 00:35:43,075 --> 00:35:46,009 You should know that everybody here 822 00:35:46,011 --> 00:35:47,677 has health issues and they're sick 823 00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:49,980 and they blame it all on the paranormal. 824 00:35:49,982 --> 00:35:52,315 Start with you, Paije. You told me all about that. 825 00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:54,317 I get a lot of pain in my stomach 826 00:35:54,319 --> 00:35:56,820 to where I just lay in bed all day. 827 00:35:56,822 --> 00:35:59,289 I'm usually cranky when it happens. 828 00:35:59,291 --> 00:36:02,225 You've had issues before. 829 00:36:02,227 --> 00:36:04,227 She's a brain cancer survivor. 830 00:36:04,229 --> 00:36:07,197 She's still being checked every so often. 831 00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:09,132 Yes, but they haven't found 832 00:36:09,134 --> 00:36:11,668 anything wrong with my stomach. 833 00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:14,838 It's been three years and still nothing on it. 834 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,540 Now, Monette, you got health issues? 835 00:36:16,542 --> 00:36:19,309 Right now, I have broken bones in my feet 836 00:36:19,311 --> 00:36:22,612 and my ankles that I knew nothing about nor how I got them. 837 00:36:23,648 --> 00:36:24,981 Yeah, I've had a heart attack 838 00:36:24,983 --> 00:36:28,118 and didn't know I had one and... 839 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,287 - You're only 52. - Yeah. 840 00:36:30,289 --> 00:36:32,022 Amy, there's something else you should know. 841 00:36:32,024 --> 00:36:33,623 Steven's dad died of a heart attack 842 00:36:33,625 --> 00:36:34,958 when he lived here. 843 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,526 So I'm gonna tell Amy why you think 844 00:36:36,528 --> 00:36:38,628 it's the paranormal that killed him. 845 00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:41,264 Because this man never smoked, or drank, 846 00:36:41,266 --> 00:36:44,401 and he was a Christian man, very godly man. 847 00:36:44,403 --> 00:36:46,102 [Steve] This is a picture of him right here. 848 00:36:46,104 --> 00:36:47,370 [Monette] Yes. 849 00:36:47,372 --> 00:36:49,272 [Steve] Steven thinks he's still here. 850 00:36:49,274 --> 00:36:52,008 What do you think, Amy? 851 00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:55,712 I don't think he's here anymore, which is great. 852 00:36:55,714 --> 00:36:57,814 That's awesome. 853 00:36:57,816 --> 00:36:59,583 You feel better that your dad's moved on? 854 00:36:59,585 --> 00:37:00,617 Yeah. 855 00:37:00,619 --> 00:37:02,252 He had a one way ticket to heaven. 856 00:37:02,254 --> 00:37:04,854 [ominous music playing] 857 00:37:04,856 --> 00:37:06,890 [Steve] So, Amy, this dead guy, 858 00:37:06,892 --> 00:37:08,625 does he do anything else? 859 00:37:08,627 --> 00:37:10,660 When he jumps people, 860 00:37:10,662 --> 00:37:13,296 he will heighten their emotions. 861 00:37:13,298 --> 00:37:14,965 So if you're prone to anger, 862 00:37:14,967 --> 00:37:17,200 or if you're prone to sadness, or whatever, 863 00:37:17,202 --> 00:37:19,069 he'll make that tenfold. 864 00:37:19,071 --> 00:37:22,138 I saw an incident in the garage 865 00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:25,542 where this person, this male, was so angry 866 00:37:25,544 --> 00:37:28,178 and very upset about his life situation. 867 00:37:28,180 --> 00:37:32,349 And he was thinking that he was cursed or something 868 00:37:32,351 --> 00:37:34,985 because things were always going so bad. 869 00:37:34,987 --> 00:37:38,021 And I saw the dead guy jump into him. 870 00:37:38,023 --> 00:37:39,656 But I did have a sketch done of this. 871 00:37:39,658 --> 00:37:42,225 [ominous music playing] 872 00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:53,169 [Steven] Oh, jeez. 873 00:37:55,973 --> 00:37:58,108 [Paije] It looks like Steven. 874 00:37:58,110 --> 00:38:01,378 [Monette] Makes perfect sense to me. 875 00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:04,481 That is amazing. 876 00:38:04,483 --> 00:38:06,516 Do you recall ever being in the garage 877 00:38:06,518 --> 00:38:09,386 and getting mental like that? 878 00:38:09,388 --> 00:38:11,354 Yeah, that's... Yeah. 879 00:38:11,356 --> 00:38:14,858 My fear is that 880 00:38:14,860 --> 00:38:18,194 if you jumped a living person who was in a state, 881 00:38:18,196 --> 00:38:20,163 he could make that person violent. 882 00:38:20,165 --> 00:38:22,666 He might be able to make that person kill someone. 883 00:38:22,668 --> 00:38:25,101 [ominous music playing] 884 00:38:26,704 --> 00:38:29,706 Now that makes me extremely concerned. 885 00:38:29,708 --> 00:38:32,509 I feel very uncomfortable. 886 00:38:32,511 --> 00:38:34,244 That explains a lot to me. 887 00:38:34,246 --> 00:38:36,880 And that actually pisses me off. 888 00:38:36,882 --> 00:38:37,781 Very scary. 889 00:38:37,783 --> 00:38:40,283 [ominous music playing] 890 00:38:47,992 --> 00:38:50,393 [ominous music playing] 891 00:38:54,598 --> 00:38:57,600 [Steve] So you guys thought you had a demon in the house. 892 00:38:57,602 --> 00:38:59,502 Good news is you don't. 893 00:38:59,504 --> 00:39:02,205 Bad news is this creeper guy 894 00:39:02,207 --> 00:39:04,274 might as well have been a demon. 895 00:39:04,276 --> 00:39:07,143 Now the question is can you get rid of this [bleep] 896 00:39:07,145 --> 00:39:08,745 and get back to a normal life? 897 00:39:08,747 --> 00:39:11,448 And if so, what's that gonna take? 898 00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:13,049 For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 899 00:39:13,051 --> 00:39:16,886 [ominous music playing] 900 00:39:16,888 --> 00:39:20,256 So there's, like, good news and then there's bad news. 901 00:39:22,626 --> 00:39:26,596 As far as the dead guy is concerned, 902 00:39:26,598 --> 00:39:30,533 there is something that can be done 903 00:39:30,535 --> 00:39:35,739 to get rid of him by people, a team, 904 00:39:35,741 --> 00:39:38,241 that I would be putting together 905 00:39:38,243 --> 00:39:39,943 would come here. 906 00:39:39,945 --> 00:39:42,746 They're kind of a mixed bag of people, 907 00:39:42,748 --> 00:39:45,915 psychics, mediums, pagans, Satanists, 908 00:39:45,917 --> 00:39:47,784 you know, the whole nine. 909 00:39:47,786 --> 00:39:50,920 The first thing that they would do is 910 00:39:50,922 --> 00:39:56,393 what's called a cord cutting between you guys and him. 911 00:39:56,395 --> 00:40:03,066 Then a shaman will actually be removing him, 912 00:40:03,068 --> 00:40:05,835 the dead guy, from this situation. 913 00:40:07,338 --> 00:40:11,207 The bad news is that this area 914 00:40:11,209 --> 00:40:16,413 is really, really, really thick 915 00:40:16,415 --> 00:40:20,316 with this awful residual energy. 916 00:40:20,318 --> 00:40:24,988 The problem is, is that... 917 00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:27,157 you can't get rid of this. 918 00:40:29,794 --> 00:40:32,228 So in order for you to stay here, 919 00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:37,600 you would literally have to do cleansings of your home, 920 00:40:37,602 --> 00:40:41,137 and this would have to be something you did 921 00:40:41,139 --> 00:40:44,574 pretty much on a daily basis. 922 00:40:44,576 --> 00:40:45,809 It's up to you. 923 00:40:45,811 --> 00:40:48,812 If that's something you want to take on. 924 00:40:50,848 --> 00:40:54,017 Her bad news was just as good as her good news for me. 925 00:40:54,019 --> 00:40:56,453 [laughs] Okay. Good. 926 00:40:56,455 --> 00:41:00,557 A billion pounds lifted off my shoulders right now. 927 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:02,225 Oh, good. 928 00:41:02,227 --> 00:41:04,427 Paije, you feel better about it? 929 00:41:04,429 --> 00:41:06,796 Yes. I do. 930 00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:10,900 We could get all the negative and depression out. 931 00:41:10,902 --> 00:41:12,202 Great. 932 00:41:12,204 --> 00:41:15,004 - How about you, big guy? - Oh, yeah, definitely. 933 00:41:15,006 --> 00:41:17,841 Get this, you know, evil out of here. 934 00:41:17,843 --> 00:41:19,409 I'm feeling really blessed 935 00:41:19,411 --> 00:41:22,312 and ready to get back to normal. 936 00:41:22,314 --> 00:41:24,447 Yes, I'm looking forward to you guys 937 00:41:24,449 --> 00:41:26,449 getting back to that. 938 00:41:26,451 --> 00:41:28,551 - I feel lighter. - [Steve] Good. 939 00:41:28,553 --> 00:41:29,886 I really do. 940 00:41:31,355 --> 00:41:34,958 Monette, Paije, and Steven have suffered long enough. 941 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,026 I really hope they follow my advice 942 00:41:37,028 --> 00:41:39,729 and cleanse their house of negative energy, 943 00:41:39,731 --> 00:41:42,999 as well as work with a shaman to remove the creeper. 944 00:41:43,001 --> 00:41:44,934 If they do, I'm confident 945 00:41:44,936 --> 00:41:46,970 they can live in their home peacefully 946 00:41:46,972 --> 00:41:49,005 for many years to come. 947 00:41:49,007 --> 00:41:51,441 [ominous music playing]