1 00:00:10,724 --> 00:00:12,586 [Cindy Kaza] There's a dead woman who's here, 2 00:00:12,586 --> 00:00:15,000 she doesn't like the woman who lives here. 3 00:00:16,586 --> 00:00:19,137 She's really trying to hurt her while she's sleeping. 4 00:00:20,068 --> 00:00:21,172 Sometimes when I wake up 5 00:00:21,172 --> 00:00:23,620 and I got big bruises all over me. 6 00:00:23,620 --> 00:00:26,068 My parents, they're pretty much sitting ducks. 7 00:00:26,827 --> 00:00:29,000 This hammer comes flying off the bench. 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:29,931 It's dangerous to be in here. 9 00:00:29,931 --> 00:00:31,275 It's scary. 10 00:00:31,275 --> 00:00:33,000 [Cindy] Things like go flying. 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,586 It's poltergeist activity. 12 00:00:36,517 --> 00:00:37,517 [Cindy] There's a portal 13 00:00:37,517 --> 00:00:39,379 directly from the railroad tracks 14 00:00:39,379 --> 00:00:42,517 into the backdoor of your house. 15 00:00:42,517 --> 00:00:43,586 -[exclaims] -Wow. 16 00:00:43,586 --> 00:00:45,482 And I really feel like your family is in trouble. 17 00:00:47,482 --> 00:00:50,965 She wants the people in here to die like her family died. 18 00:00:52,275 --> 00:00:55,379 I keep hearing, "Murder, murder, murder." 19 00:00:55,379 --> 00:00:57,068 My name is Cindy Kaza. 20 00:00:57,586 --> 00:00:59,000 I'm a psychic medium. 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,586 Somebody's conjuring up the spirits in this house, 22 00:01:01,586 --> 00:01:02,827 I swear to God. 23 00:01:02,827 --> 00:01:04,793 I ask questions to the dead... 24 00:01:04,793 --> 00:01:07,103 These people are grave robbers. 25 00:01:07,103 --> 00:01:08,896 ...to find answers for the living. 26 00:01:08,896 --> 00:01:12,551 I'm a 100% sure that we are dealing with something demonic. 27 00:01:13,689 --> 00:01:15,413 I'm Steve DiSchiavi. 28 00:01:15,413 --> 00:01:17,689 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 29 00:01:17,689 --> 00:01:19,896 So when he jumped you like that, what happens? 30 00:01:19,896 --> 00:01:23,379 It's my job to dig up history of every house we investigate. 31 00:01:23,379 --> 00:01:24,689 I wanna talk about the blood bath. 32 00:01:24,689 --> 00:01:26,827 And dig up secrets that wanna stay hidden. 33 00:01:26,827 --> 00:01:28,724 We've done everything, we're putting the house down. 34 00:01:28,724 --> 00:01:30,482 Together we help terrified families. 35 00:01:30,482 --> 00:01:32,620 A man's voice said, "I'm going to kill you." 36 00:01:32,620 --> 00:01:34,517 Decide whether it's safe to stay. 37 00:01:34,517 --> 00:01:38,413 I let him sit there and fight this thing. 38 00:01:38,413 --> 00:01:39,931 Well, pack a bag and get out. 39 00:01:39,931 --> 00:01:42,965 His goal would be to have you all die. 40 00:02:03,379 --> 00:02:05,241 [Cindy] This place is creeping me out. 41 00:02:08,378 --> 00:02:09,586 [door creaks] 42 00:02:09,586 --> 00:02:11,103 [cat meows] 43 00:02:11,103 --> 00:02:12,896 I don't like the way it feels in this house. 44 00:02:12,896 --> 00:02:14,172 That's for sure. 45 00:02:14,517 --> 00:02:15,586 Okay. 46 00:02:16,379 --> 00:02:18,724 It feels really, really dark in here. 47 00:02:18,724 --> 00:02:20,275 It's the energy in here. 48 00:02:20,275 --> 00:02:22,000 This house feels really bad. 49 00:02:24,172 --> 00:02:28,310 This woman that lives here is really terrified. 50 00:02:28,310 --> 00:02:30,551 It's like, uh, so terrified. 51 00:02:32,827 --> 00:02:34,689 This whole thing is freaking me out. 52 00:02:43,793 --> 00:02:45,137 [Steve DiSchiavi] I'm in Austin, Indiana. 53 00:02:45,137 --> 00:02:48,620 It's a small city about an hour south of Indianapolis. 54 00:02:48,620 --> 00:02:50,793 I got a call from a young woman named Paula. 55 00:02:50,793 --> 00:02:54,000 Now, she tells me her childhood home is so haunted, 56 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,275 she got out the first chance she could. 57 00:02:57,482 --> 00:03:00,724 But unfortunately her parents don't have the money to leave. 58 00:03:00,724 --> 00:03:03,379 And she's scared they're in serious danger. 59 00:03:03,379 --> 00:03:05,275 She asked me to meet at her new house first, 60 00:03:05,275 --> 00:03:07,000 so we can talk in private. 61 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,172 Hopefully Cindy and I can help her out. 62 00:03:11,620 --> 00:03:12,482 So, Paula, I got to tell you, 63 00:03:12,482 --> 00:03:13,793 it's a beautiful home you have here. 64 00:03:13,793 --> 00:03:14,586 Thank you. 65 00:03:14,586 --> 00:03:16,793 But obviously this is not the home 66 00:03:16,793 --> 00:03:18,000 that's has the issue. 67 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,172 No. 68 00:03:19,172 --> 00:03:20,586 You called 'cause you were worried about your parents. 69 00:03:20,586 --> 00:03:21,793 Now, why? 70 00:03:21,793 --> 00:03:24,379 They're at the house... all alone. 71 00:03:24,379 --> 00:03:26,103 You know they are pretty much sitting ducks 72 00:03:26,103 --> 00:03:29,275 for everything that's going to happen. 73 00:03:29,275 --> 00:03:32,275 That is why I tried to get them some help. 74 00:03:32,275 --> 00:03:34,275 Why did you call, and not your parents? 75 00:03:34,275 --> 00:03:36,000 I honestly don't think 76 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,067 they're taking it as serious as what I am. 77 00:03:39,067 --> 00:03:41,275 So how old were you when you moved out? 78 00:03:41,275 --> 00:03:42,586 I was 21. 79 00:03:42,586 --> 00:03:44,379 Okay. Do you have siblings? 80 00:03:44,379 --> 00:03:46,482 I have two older brothers. 81 00:03:46,482 --> 00:03:49,000 Okay, did either of them lived with your mom and dad? 82 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,241 No, it's just, uh, my parents. 83 00:03:53,379 --> 00:03:57,103 That is my mom, Paula and my dad, Stanley. 84 00:03:57,103 --> 00:03:59,000 Okay, so your mom is a Paula, too. 85 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,103 Yes. 86 00:04:00,103 --> 00:04:01,482 And how far do they live from here? 87 00:04:01,482 --> 00:04:03,482 About 10-15 minutes. 88 00:04:03,482 --> 00:04:04,586 Okay, so they're close. 89 00:04:04,586 --> 00:04:05,482 Yeah. 90 00:04:05,482 --> 00:04:06,965 Right, so do you visit them a lot? 91 00:04:07,379 --> 00:04:08,689 -Yes. -Okay. 92 00:04:08,689 --> 00:04:10,137 Do you have any experiences when you're there? 93 00:04:10,724 --> 00:04:12,275 -Yeah. -You do. 94 00:04:12,275 --> 00:04:13,482 Okay, so we'll get in to that 95 00:04:13,482 --> 00:04:14,724 when we get to your mom's house. 96 00:04:14,724 --> 00:04:16,689 Can you give me a list of what they're going through? 97 00:04:16,689 --> 00:04:19,620 Well, they've been seeing apparitions. 98 00:04:19,620 --> 00:04:22,310 Things have been flying all over the place. 99 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:25,896 My mom, she's been scratched and bruised. 100 00:04:25,896 --> 00:04:29,000 And it's been causing them to fight. 101 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,482 So, do me a favor. Tell me about the fightin'. 102 00:04:31,482 --> 00:04:35,517 Well, both of them are real happy-go-lucky people. 103 00:04:35,517 --> 00:04:36,379 Okay. 104 00:04:36,379 --> 00:04:38,379 And for the past couple of years 105 00:04:38,379 --> 00:04:40,000 it seems like just... 106 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,103 with the flip of a switch, 107 00:04:42,103 --> 00:04:44,379 one of them would be snapping 108 00:04:44,379 --> 00:04:46,206 at the other for no reason. 109 00:04:46,206 --> 00:04:48,689 So the fighting and stuff, you're afraid it's gonna 110 00:04:48,689 --> 00:04:49,931 break up your parents? 111 00:04:49,931 --> 00:04:50,827 Yes. 112 00:04:50,827 --> 00:04:52,379 I have a feeling that 113 00:04:52,379 --> 00:04:54,482 whatever is in the house is trying to 114 00:04:54,482 --> 00:04:55,965 cause them to separate. 115 00:04:56,931 --> 00:04:58,379 Oh, you just have a little faith. 116 00:04:58,379 --> 00:05:00,724 The main thing is we're gonna try to help. 117 00:05:00,724 --> 00:05:01,793 Okay? 118 00:05:01,793 --> 00:05:03,172 All right. 119 00:05:07,620 --> 00:05:09,000 [Cindy] Seeing an image of a woman. 120 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,068 She has blonde hair that's like about to here. 121 00:05:12,482 --> 00:05:14,068 And I see her crying, 122 00:05:14,068 --> 00:05:16,172 and she's really, really, 123 00:05:16,172 --> 00:05:18,689 uh, really upset. 124 00:05:18,689 --> 00:05:21,000 I actually feel like she's alive. 125 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,206 And I see this connection with a father and a son, 126 00:05:24,206 --> 00:05:26,103 uh, like working together 127 00:05:26,103 --> 00:05:29,275 but I feel like there's a lot of aggression. 128 00:05:29,275 --> 00:05:31,000 This family is in trouble though. 129 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,103 I mean, the dynamics between the family members, 130 00:05:33,103 --> 00:05:34,931 it's really, really off. 131 00:05:34,931 --> 00:05:38,275 The fighting is so intense, it feels so extreme. 132 00:05:38,275 --> 00:05:40,482 It's the aggression. Everybody is aggressive. 133 00:05:40,482 --> 00:05:43,448 Everybody is yelling at each other, the whole family. 134 00:05:44,103 --> 00:05:45,275 It's paranormal. 135 00:05:45,275 --> 00:05:46,448 Yeah. 136 00:05:53,689 --> 00:05:56,275 [Steve] Paula led me to her parents' house. 137 00:05:56,275 --> 00:05:58,689 And as soon as she pulled up and got out of her car, 138 00:05:58,689 --> 00:06:00,241 I could feel her tension up. 139 00:06:02,068 --> 00:06:03,689 So, you're parents are gonna be back soon. 140 00:06:03,689 --> 00:06:05,103 So what I wanna do before they get here 141 00:06:05,103 --> 00:06:06,689 is talk about your experiences. 142 00:06:06,689 --> 00:06:08,482 Well, the mood changes. 143 00:06:08,482 --> 00:06:10,068 I didn't feel I'm until 144 00:06:10,068 --> 00:06:12,379 we pulled in and I started walking 145 00:06:12,379 --> 00:06:13,724 up the stairs. 146 00:06:13,724 --> 00:06:16,172 I could see, you're very different from when we're at your place. 147 00:06:16,172 --> 00:06:17,896 You just kind of somber. 148 00:06:17,896 --> 00:06:20,275 -Does that last the entire time you're here? -Yes. 149 00:06:20,275 --> 00:06:22,000 Have you suffered from depression 150 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,586 -or anything like that? -No. 151 00:06:23,586 --> 00:06:25,103 Okay. So, you're not on any medications 152 00:06:25,103 --> 00:06:26,275 -or anything? -No. 153 00:06:26,275 --> 00:06:27,793 All right, so you've got the mood changes. 154 00:06:27,793 --> 00:06:28,896 What else can you tell me? 155 00:06:28,896 --> 00:06:30,413 One time I was here, 156 00:06:30,413 --> 00:06:32,586 the water heater caught fire. 157 00:06:32,586 --> 00:06:34,310 All right, so who's home when this happened? 158 00:06:34,310 --> 00:06:35,896 Just me. 159 00:06:35,896 --> 00:06:37,482 So, what makes you think that fire was paranormal? 160 00:06:37,482 --> 00:06:40,206 When the fire department got here, 161 00:06:40,206 --> 00:06:41,689 they could not find the cause. 162 00:06:41,689 --> 00:06:42,931 So, if you weren't home this whole house 163 00:06:42,931 --> 00:06:44,344 -would've burned down. -Yes. 164 00:06:45,724 --> 00:06:47,172 Okay. So anything else? 165 00:06:47,172 --> 00:06:49,000 Sometimes when I'm here 166 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,931 bruises will just show up 167 00:06:50,931 --> 00:06:52,482 somewhere on my body. 168 00:06:52,482 --> 00:06:54,000 So when's the last time this happened? 169 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,275 Couple of months ago. Um, I actually do have a, 170 00:06:57,275 --> 00:06:58,517 a picture, 171 00:06:58,517 --> 00:07:00,793 of the last one that I had. 172 00:07:00,793 --> 00:07:02,931 Wow. Where was this on your body? 173 00:07:02,931 --> 00:07:04,931 It was on my left knee. 174 00:07:04,931 --> 00:07:06,793 Isn't that a pretty nasty bruise? 175 00:07:06,793 --> 00:07:08,000 [Paula Jr] Yeah, and that's not even actually 176 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 the worst one that I've had. 177 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,000 You didn't bang into anything 178 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,000 -or nothing like that? -No. 179 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,517 I'm not really a klutzy person. 180 00:07:15,517 --> 00:07:16,931 Honestly, if you had your choice, 181 00:07:16,931 --> 00:07:19,103 would you want your parents to just leave? 182 00:07:19,103 --> 00:07:21,689 Yes, I would rather that they did leave, 183 00:07:21,689 --> 00:07:25,482 I feel like with everything that's been going on, 184 00:07:25,482 --> 00:07:26,551 they're not safe. 185 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,103 They haven't been safe. 186 00:07:28,103 --> 00:07:29,482 It's just getting worse. 187 00:07:29,482 --> 00:07:31,586 And I'm afraid that it's something that can't be fixed. 188 00:07:32,586 --> 00:07:33,793 Okay. 189 00:07:38,206 --> 00:07:40,689 There's a man that's standing behind me, a dead man. 190 00:07:41,482 --> 00:07:44,827 He's pretty tall. I see he's bigger guy. 191 00:07:44,827 --> 00:07:46,586 Can you see him harassing the living at all? 192 00:07:46,586 --> 00:07:48,000 Yes, definitely. 193 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,586 I see him walking back and forth. 194 00:07:51,586 --> 00:07:53,344 His footsteps are super loud. 195 00:07:53,931 --> 00:07:55,310 He tries to intimidate 196 00:07:55,310 --> 00:07:58,206 by just getting really close to the people in this house. 197 00:07:58,206 --> 00:08:00,172 It's like, let's say you're standing here, 198 00:08:00,172 --> 00:08:01,793 you can feel somebody coming up 199 00:08:01,793 --> 00:08:03,793 and getting really close to you. 200 00:08:03,793 --> 00:08:06,000 Like, he'll make a noise in your ear. 201 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,379 Does he do anything else? 202 00:08:07,379 --> 00:08:08,793 When people are in the kitchen, 203 00:08:08,793 --> 00:08:12,586 I see him walking behind and pushing. 204 00:08:13,482 --> 00:08:15,793 When people come to open the fridge, 205 00:08:15,793 --> 00:08:17,586 it's like I see somebody getting shoved, 206 00:08:17,586 --> 00:08:18,862 shoved into the counter. 207 00:08:27,103 --> 00:08:29,586 [Steve] So Stanley, your daughter called us in. 208 00:08:29,586 --> 00:08:32,172 Uh, she thinks whatever is here is pretty dangerous. 209 00:08:32,172 --> 00:08:33,068 I mean, do you agree with her? 210 00:08:33,068 --> 00:08:34,172 Yes, sir, I do. 211 00:08:34,172 --> 00:08:35,275 -You do? -Yes, sir. 212 00:08:35,275 --> 00:08:38,172 Okay. Well, she kinda thinks you guys are... 213 00:08:38,172 --> 00:08:39,379 little bit in denial? 214 00:08:39,379 --> 00:08:42,068 At first, Steve, I really was. 215 00:08:42,068 --> 00:08:44,000 -I overlooked it. -Okay. 216 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,206 But not so much anymore. 217 00:08:45,206 --> 00:08:46,275 I understand you guys 218 00:08:46,275 --> 00:08:47,689 -have been fighting as well. -Yes, sir. 219 00:08:47,689 --> 00:08:49,793 We can be in the best mood. 220 00:08:49,793 --> 00:08:51,310 Sitting, laughing and talking. 221 00:08:51,310 --> 00:08:52,793 And it just like, 222 00:08:52,793 --> 00:08:54,896 in the next little, uh, bit, 223 00:08:54,896 --> 00:08:56,103 you know, you just snap. 224 00:08:56,103 --> 00:08:58,172 -You don't seem that type to me. -No. 225 00:08:58,172 --> 00:09:00,000 Uh, we've got along right. 226 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,310 Uh, we've been married over 35 years. 227 00:09:02,310 --> 00:09:04,103 So is it gotten to the point where you guys 228 00:09:04,103 --> 00:09:06,103 -talked about splittin' up? -Yes, sir. 229 00:09:06,103 --> 00:09:07,517 -Okay. -Quite a few times. 230 00:09:07,517 --> 00:09:09,620 We need help. We need answers. Uh-- 231 00:09:09,620 --> 00:09:11,103 -Right. -If it can be fixed, 232 00:09:11,103 --> 00:09:12,310 I'd love for it to be fixed. 233 00:09:12,310 --> 00:09:14,689 -I want this to end. -Right. 234 00:09:14,689 --> 00:09:17,344 All right. So what experiences have you had? 235 00:09:17,689 --> 00:09:18,620 I have an old car. 236 00:09:18,620 --> 00:09:20,310 -It's sitting in the garage. -Okay. 237 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:21,793 Stereo would come on. 238 00:09:21,793 --> 00:09:24,689 You gotta have a key for the stereo to come on. 239 00:09:24,689 --> 00:09:26,689 So, I'm looking around obviously you're handy. 240 00:09:26,689 --> 00:09:28,896 It looks like you've done some mechanic work. 241 00:09:28,896 --> 00:09:30,896 Are you positive you had to have the key on 242 00:09:30,896 --> 00:09:32,517 to have the radio play? 243 00:09:32,517 --> 00:09:33,586 [Stanley] Yes, sir. 244 00:09:33,586 --> 00:09:35,896 I've been working on cars since 16. 245 00:09:35,896 --> 00:09:37,172 That's stunned me. 246 00:09:37,172 --> 00:09:38,620 And then one other time 247 00:09:38,620 --> 00:09:41,620 we heard like a flapped squeak inside. 248 00:09:41,620 --> 00:09:43,517 We open the door and come in, 249 00:09:43,517 --> 00:09:46,586 my wipers... were flapping on the car. 250 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:48,344 -Same car? -Same car. 251 00:09:48,896 --> 00:09:50,103 Okay. Anything else? 252 00:09:50,103 --> 00:09:52,793 Me and my son-in-law was in the garage 253 00:09:52,793 --> 00:09:55,413 working on my daughter's truck. 254 00:09:55,413 --> 00:09:59,689 This hammer comes flying off the bench about eight foot. 255 00:09:59,689 --> 00:10:03,172 And it come within a foot from hit me. 256 00:10:03,172 --> 00:10:05,448 -[Steve] This is no light-weight hammer. -Yeah. 257 00:10:07,103 --> 00:10:08,586 Is there any chance somebody could 258 00:10:08,586 --> 00:10:10,586 came through the window here? Is this window open? 259 00:10:10,586 --> 00:10:12,620 No, sir, its bolted. 260 00:10:12,620 --> 00:10:13,896 Right, so let me ask you this question, 261 00:10:13,896 --> 00:10:15,206 you got a train two feet from us, 262 00:10:15,206 --> 00:10:16,931 -was a train going by then? -No, sir. 263 00:10:16,931 --> 00:10:19,000 No, sir, no train at all. 264 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,000 So, did anything like that ever happen again? 265 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,655 Yes, sir, I've had wrenches, 266 00:10:23,379 --> 00:10:26,206 literally fly across the garage. 267 00:10:26,206 --> 00:10:27,689 It's dangerous to be in here. 268 00:10:27,689 --> 00:10:29,896 -At times it's scary. -Yeah. 269 00:10:29,896 --> 00:10:32,827 -There's something here. There's a problem. -Right. 270 00:10:32,827 --> 00:10:34,172 Why don't you just move? 271 00:10:34,172 --> 00:10:35,827 It's financial situation. 272 00:10:35,827 --> 00:10:37,586 We just don't have the money to move. 273 00:10:37,586 --> 00:10:39,689 -Okay. -Number two... 274 00:10:39,689 --> 00:10:41,896 I just don't want to pass it on to somebody else 275 00:10:41,896 --> 00:10:43,931 to go through the headaches we're going through. 276 00:10:43,931 --> 00:10:46,172 Oh, you're a good person. Most people won't even care. 277 00:10:46,172 --> 00:10:48,689 So, I understand that, though. 278 00:10:48,689 --> 00:10:50,137 But we got to fix it then. 279 00:10:53,310 --> 00:10:56,379 I know that people that come in here, 280 00:10:56,379 --> 00:10:58,586 things with electronics stop working 281 00:10:58,586 --> 00:11:00,482 or, or they malfunction. 282 00:11:00,931 --> 00:11:02,448 Things start turning on. 283 00:11:03,517 --> 00:11:06,000 I know we've like a lot of tools and stuff in here 284 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,793 but I feel like it's actually kind of dangerous, 285 00:11:07,793 --> 00:11:09,586 like things might go flying. 286 00:11:09,586 --> 00:11:12,586 People feel like they've been hit with things. 287 00:11:12,586 --> 00:11:14,931 It's poltergeist activity is what I feel. 288 00:11:14,931 --> 00:11:17,689 -It's actually pretty dangerous. -Okay. 289 00:11:17,689 --> 00:11:19,482 You know, I feel like I'll be ducking like this 290 00:11:19,482 --> 00:11:21,068 because I wouldn't wanna get hit in head. 291 00:11:22,310 --> 00:11:26,172 So, there's a lot of poltergeist activity in this space and house. 292 00:11:26,620 --> 00:11:27,965 So aggressive. 293 00:11:49,206 --> 00:11:50,896 [Steve] So, Paula, talking to your daughter 294 00:11:50,896 --> 00:11:52,758 she thinks you're in danger here. 295 00:11:52,758 --> 00:11:53,965 I mean do you agree with her? 296 00:11:54,586 --> 00:11:56,758 Yes, I do. Um, I'm getting 297 00:11:56,758 --> 00:11:59,103 -physically attacked in here. -Okay. 298 00:11:59,103 --> 00:12:01,275 So are there experiences you can tell me about? 299 00:12:01,275 --> 00:12:05,275 Few years ago I've seen a big black figure. 300 00:12:05,275 --> 00:12:06,931 Looked just like the grim reaper. 301 00:12:06,931 --> 00:12:08,482 And I've seen it in the hallway 302 00:12:08,482 --> 00:12:10,379 when I was coming out of the room. 303 00:12:10,379 --> 00:12:12,103 -Were you drinking-- -No, I don't drink. 304 00:12:12,103 --> 00:12:14,310 -Or would've had medication? -No. 305 00:12:14,310 --> 00:12:15,965 -It's nothing like that? -Mm-mmm. 306 00:12:16,931 --> 00:12:19,068 -And that's a pretty scary sight. -Yes, it was. 307 00:12:19,068 --> 00:12:20,793 I will never wanna see it again. 308 00:12:20,793 --> 00:12:22,172 Okay, so what else? 309 00:12:22,586 --> 00:12:23,896 Uh, we were painting 310 00:12:23,896 --> 00:12:25,689 in the dining room 311 00:12:25,689 --> 00:12:28,103 and I heard somethin' shatter 312 00:12:28,103 --> 00:12:29,379 and I looked over 313 00:12:29,379 --> 00:12:31,482 and a glass literally picked up 314 00:12:31,482 --> 00:12:32,793 out of the dish drainer 315 00:12:32,793 --> 00:12:35,758 and went into the sink and it shattered. 316 00:12:35,758 --> 00:12:37,310 Do you have any cats running around or something? 317 00:12:37,310 --> 00:12:38,689 No, we don't have no cats. 318 00:12:38,689 --> 00:12:40,586 Okay. So what else is going on? 319 00:12:40,586 --> 00:12:42,275 Me and my husband, both seen a woman, 320 00:12:42,275 --> 00:12:44,068 another woman in the bedroom. 321 00:12:44,068 --> 00:12:45,000 Okay, where was she? 322 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,310 Over by the foot of the bed 323 00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:48,275 and she was, uh, standing over there 324 00:12:48,275 --> 00:12:50,482 and she was jerking on the curtain. 325 00:12:50,482 --> 00:12:53,172 Okay. Do you have nightmares, like vivid dreams? 326 00:12:53,517 --> 00:12:54,689 I used to. 327 00:12:54,689 --> 00:12:56,482 -So this wasn't a nightmare? -No. No. 328 00:12:56,482 --> 00:12:57,689 Okay. 329 00:13:03,931 --> 00:13:05,034 [Cindy] Um... 330 00:13:09,758 --> 00:13:11,379 I'm gonna do automatic writing. 331 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,965 There's a dead woman who's here... 332 00:13:21,931 --> 00:13:24,137 she doesn't like the woman who lives here. 333 00:13:27,206 --> 00:13:30,000 She wishes she would die of cancer like the others. 334 00:13:35,793 --> 00:13:38,586 This dead woman is a big part 335 00:13:38,586 --> 00:13:41,689 of helping to fuel this poltergeist activity. 336 00:13:41,689 --> 00:13:43,793 It has her influence on the family 337 00:13:43,793 --> 00:13:45,655 as really negative and dark. 338 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,586 What the hell are you doing here, lady? 339 00:13:55,620 --> 00:13:59,000 [Steve] All right so you have a few things going on. Anything else? 340 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,103 Yeah, the other night we went to bed 341 00:14:01,103 --> 00:14:02,793 and we had just laid down 342 00:14:02,793 --> 00:14:05,689 and we heard somebody banging on the front of the headboard. 343 00:14:06,931 --> 00:14:08,000 This headboard right here? 344 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,379 -Yes. -How loud? 345 00:14:09,379 --> 00:14:11,448 Very loud. It was [bangs] 346 00:14:12,068 --> 00:14:12,862 Like that? 347 00:14:12,862 --> 00:14:14,379 Mm-hmm. 348 00:14:14,379 --> 00:14:17,275 So I assume going back to sleep that night must have been tough. 349 00:14:17,275 --> 00:14:18,586 Yeah, we didn't go back to sleep. 350 00:14:18,586 --> 00:14:20,275 -You didn't? -No, I stayed up. 351 00:14:20,275 --> 00:14:22,172 Okay, so what else? 352 00:14:22,172 --> 00:14:25,206 I've been gettin' scratches all over my body. 353 00:14:25,206 --> 00:14:27,758 Okay, so specifically where on the body? 354 00:14:27,758 --> 00:14:29,896 On my chest, arms and legs. 355 00:14:29,896 --> 00:14:31,310 How often you getting these scratches? 356 00:14:31,310 --> 00:14:32,793 Yeah, at least once a month. 357 00:14:32,793 --> 00:14:34,586 Does dog sleep in bed with you guys? 358 00:14:34,586 --> 00:14:36,689 No, we don't put her in the bed. 359 00:14:36,689 --> 00:14:38,379 All right so what else is going on here? 360 00:14:38,379 --> 00:14:41,103 I sometimes will be asleep and wake up 361 00:14:41,103 --> 00:14:43,482 and I got big bruises all over me. 362 00:14:43,482 --> 00:14:44,793 Now, your daughter mentioned to me, 363 00:14:44,793 --> 00:14:46,482 she showed me a photo, one of her bruises 364 00:14:46,482 --> 00:14:48,482 and mentioned that she had bruise on the back of her leg. 365 00:14:48,482 --> 00:14:50,172 Are you getting on that part of your body as well? 366 00:14:50,172 --> 00:14:53,000 Yeah, on my legs, arms, chest. 367 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,172 Okay. 368 00:14:54,172 --> 00:14:57,068 Few times I've had them on across my, uh, arm, 369 00:14:57,068 --> 00:14:58,586 or pretty close to my wrist, 370 00:14:58,586 --> 00:15:00,482 and it looks like three fingers. 371 00:15:00,482 --> 00:15:01,689 [exhales] Well, I've got to ask, 372 00:15:01,689 --> 00:15:03,103 when you guys were in bed, I mean, 373 00:15:03,103 --> 00:15:05,000 does your husband sleep violently? 374 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,793 -No, he don't. -Okay. 375 00:15:06,793 --> 00:15:08,793 So, I gotta ask you, I mean, if we can't figure out 376 00:15:08,793 --> 00:15:10,275 how to stop this from happening, 377 00:15:10,275 --> 00:15:12,379 -would you wanna leave? -Yeah, I do. 378 00:15:12,379 --> 00:15:13,517 You do. 379 00:15:13,517 --> 00:15:15,103 I just don't wanna live here anymore. 380 00:15:15,103 --> 00:15:17,103 -Okay. -Yeah, I just want some peace. 381 00:15:17,103 --> 00:15:19,103 I don't blame you. I don't know how you're living 382 00:15:19,103 --> 00:15:21,137 like you're doing now, so, okay. 383 00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:28,793 [Cindy] Whoever sleeps in this room wakes up with bruises. 384 00:15:28,793 --> 00:15:31,517 And this dead woman is causing the bruises. 385 00:15:31,517 --> 00:15:33,551 So I see her grabbing the arm... 386 00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:35,689 So I know she's, 387 00:15:35,689 --> 00:15:37,206 she's really trying to hurt her 388 00:15:37,206 --> 00:15:40,000 while she's sleeping and she's really vulnerable. 389 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,103 I see her walking behind the woman who lives here, 390 00:15:44,103 --> 00:15:45,172 and putting her hands 391 00:15:45,172 --> 00:15:47,172 on the top of this woman's neck. 392 00:15:47,172 --> 00:15:50,275 This dead woman is making her have bad dreams. 393 00:15:50,275 --> 00:15:51,862 She feels like she's been chased. 394 00:15:52,586 --> 00:15:54,103 She feels like she's in danger. 395 00:15:54,103 --> 00:15:55,793 She feels terrified. 396 00:15:55,793 --> 00:15:57,275 When people are sleeping 397 00:15:57,275 --> 00:15:59,689 she wants people to feel like they can't breathe. 398 00:15:59,689 --> 00:16:01,172 They're suffocating. 399 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,827 She wants people to feel like... 400 00:16:04,758 --> 00:16:06,172 they're burning alive. 401 00:16:06,862 --> 00:16:08,655 She's trying to burn this place down. 402 00:16:10,689 --> 00:16:11,758 [exhales] 403 00:16:16,586 --> 00:16:17,793 [Steve] We've done a few cases in this area. 404 00:16:17,793 --> 00:16:19,689 So I called on some old contacts 405 00:16:19,689 --> 00:16:22,655 to do some digging on Paula and Stanley's property for me. 406 00:16:22,655 --> 00:16:24,551 I got a call back from a local author. 407 00:16:24,551 --> 00:16:27,172 It turns out one of the early owners of the land 408 00:16:27,172 --> 00:16:29,137 suffered so many tragedies, 409 00:16:29,137 --> 00:16:30,965 it literally drove them mad. 410 00:16:37,482 --> 00:16:39,068 Oh, Phyllis, it's good to see you again. 411 00:16:39,068 --> 00:16:40,103 [Phyllis] It's good to see you. 412 00:16:40,103 --> 00:16:42,482 [Steve] All right, so this woman, who was she? 413 00:16:42,482 --> 00:16:45,586 Well, her name was Mary Adeline Barlow. 414 00:16:45,586 --> 00:16:50,655 And she married a local man, named, Penny Hardy in 1862. 415 00:16:50,655 --> 00:16:53,758 All right. So that's in the middle of Civil War. Did this guy serve? 416 00:16:53,758 --> 00:16:57,379 So Penny enlisted uh, about two years after they got married 417 00:16:57,379 --> 00:17:00,896 and served in the Indiana 13th Infantry. 418 00:17:00,896 --> 00:17:02,344 Okay, so how did it go for him? 419 00:17:02,344 --> 00:17:03,586 I mean, did he get injured? 420 00:17:03,586 --> 00:17:04,689 Did he get through it okay? 421 00:17:04,689 --> 00:17:06,275 Well, we're not really sure 422 00:17:06,275 --> 00:17:08,586 but he did get an invalid pension 423 00:17:08,586 --> 00:17:11,000 which seems to indicate that he was either injured 424 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,689 or suffered some sort of health ailment. 425 00:17:13,689 --> 00:17:15,172 Okay, so that would be like 426 00:17:15,172 --> 00:17:16,586 -a disability pension today? -Yes. 427 00:17:16,586 --> 00:17:18,378 All right, so now he's back from the war, 428 00:17:18,378 --> 00:17:20,378 did they decide to start a family? 429 00:17:20,378 --> 00:17:22,275 Yeah, they settled in Austin 430 00:17:22,275 --> 00:17:24,172 with the hopes of starting their own family 431 00:17:24,172 --> 00:17:26,034 but unfortunately they weren't able 432 00:17:26,034 --> 00:17:27,792 to have their own biological children. 433 00:17:27,792 --> 00:17:29,793 So, it's just the two of them then? 434 00:17:29,793 --> 00:17:31,862 Well, they ended up adopting three children. 435 00:17:31,862 --> 00:17:33,275 All right, so they can't have kids, 436 00:17:33,275 --> 00:17:34,482 but they make the best of it, 437 00:17:34,482 --> 00:17:36,448 -and bring three kids in. -Mm-hmm. 438 00:17:36,448 --> 00:17:38,793 Well, when did they buy my client's property? 439 00:17:38,793 --> 00:17:41,551 They bought that property in 1892. 440 00:17:41,551 --> 00:17:43,793 By that point the children were all grown 441 00:17:43,793 --> 00:17:45,172 and had their own families. 442 00:17:45,172 --> 00:17:47,482 On the phone you said she suffered. 443 00:17:47,482 --> 00:17:49,448 So what kind of tragedies are we talking about? 444 00:17:49,448 --> 00:17:52,068 Well, about six years after they buy the property, 445 00:17:52,068 --> 00:17:55,103 they lose their grandson David. 446 00:17:55,103 --> 00:17:57,586 He was ten years old and he died of tuberculosis. 447 00:17:57,586 --> 00:17:59,965 In fact I have his death certificate right here. 448 00:18:01,034 --> 00:18:03,034 And it turned out too that years later 449 00:18:03,034 --> 00:18:05,655 they lost their oldest daughter, Maggie 450 00:18:05,655 --> 00:18:09,137 when she was 48 years old to that same disease. 451 00:18:09,137 --> 00:18:10,965 And this is her death certificate. 452 00:18:12,689 --> 00:18:14,275 [Steve] All right, so now they've got a grandson 453 00:18:14,275 --> 00:18:17,344 -who's dead from TB and their oldest daughter. -Mm-hmm. 454 00:18:17,344 --> 00:18:18,793 Things got any belter for them? 455 00:18:18,793 --> 00:18:20,586 No, unfortunately they don't. 456 00:18:20,586 --> 00:18:23,275 Um, in 1912 Mary loses Penny. 457 00:18:23,275 --> 00:18:27,034 He dies at the age of 71, on the property 458 00:18:27,034 --> 00:18:29,172 from what's called acute indigestion 459 00:18:29,172 --> 00:18:31,655 on his death certificate here. 460 00:18:31,655 --> 00:18:34,793 Uh, which is probably more or less a heart attack. 461 00:18:34,793 --> 00:18:37,655 He suffered for about ten hours before he died. 462 00:18:37,655 --> 00:18:38,965 All right, so now Penny is gone, 463 00:18:38,965 --> 00:18:39,931 and we got Mary all alone 464 00:18:39,931 --> 00:18:41,275 -'cause the kids are grown and gone. -Mmm. 465 00:18:41,275 --> 00:18:43,344 You had mentioned she went insane? 466 00:18:43,344 --> 00:18:45,586 It just seemed to be a bit too much for her. 467 00:18:45,586 --> 00:18:50,586 In 1919 Mary's committed to the state insane asylum. 468 00:18:50,586 --> 00:18:51,482 Okay. 469 00:18:51,482 --> 00:18:53,586 And, uh, she lives there for about a year, 470 00:18:53,586 --> 00:18:58,206 and then dies of psychosis and arteriosclerosis. 471 00:18:58,862 --> 00:18:59,793 I guess it all got to her 472 00:18:59,793 --> 00:19:01,793 and that's why she got committed. 473 00:19:01,793 --> 00:19:03,241 I would imagine it was very tough 474 00:19:03,241 --> 00:19:05,241 to be alone at that point. 475 00:19:08,482 --> 00:19:09,758 [Cindy] Something really awful 476 00:19:09,758 --> 00:19:12,517 happened to the angry dead woman in life. 477 00:19:17,275 --> 00:19:19,068 I'm hearing the name Mary, 478 00:19:19,068 --> 00:19:21,379 and she lost her family to a tragedy. 479 00:19:21,379 --> 00:19:24,482 I feel like there's got to be a fire where it wiped out a family. 480 00:19:24,482 --> 00:19:28,482 Like a big fire. A lot of people died in this family. 481 00:19:28,482 --> 00:19:31,862 She wants the people in here to die like her family died. 482 00:19:35,758 --> 00:19:38,241 [Steve] So I just got a call from local genealogist. 483 00:19:38,241 --> 00:19:41,137 He told me he hit paydirt. 484 00:19:41,137 --> 00:19:43,000 It turns out another former owner 485 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,482 of Paula and Stanley's land 486 00:19:44,482 --> 00:19:45,896 was the only survivor 487 00:19:45,896 --> 00:19:47,965 of a long and bloody family feud. 488 00:19:48,689 --> 00:19:50,241 This I got to hear about. 489 00:19:58,137 --> 00:20:00,586 All right, so John, this guy owned my client's property. 490 00:20:00,586 --> 00:20:01,965 What do we know about him? 491 00:20:01,965 --> 00:20:04,379 His name was Dan Gibson. 492 00:20:04,379 --> 00:20:08,275 He was born in 1911 in Sneedville, Tennessee. 493 00:20:08,275 --> 00:20:10,551 All right, so this feud. What the hell was that all about? 494 00:20:11,172 --> 00:20:13,482 It was an old family feud 495 00:20:13,482 --> 00:20:18,034 across state lines, between the Gibson family and a family called Spurlocks. 496 00:20:18,034 --> 00:20:20,275 It started in Tennessee. 497 00:20:20,275 --> 00:20:23,172 Probably over wanting liquor during Prohibition 498 00:20:23,172 --> 00:20:25,448 and it pretty much decimated both families. 499 00:20:25,448 --> 00:20:26,586 In what way? 500 00:20:26,586 --> 00:20:29,448 In 1930 two of Spurlock boys 501 00:20:30,137 --> 00:20:32,000 came down to Indiana 502 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,103 tracked down Dan Gibson's father 503 00:20:34,103 --> 00:20:36,068 and shot him. 504 00:20:36,068 --> 00:20:37,275 Okay, so they shoot and kill him. 505 00:20:37,275 --> 00:20:38,793 They shot and killed him. 506 00:20:38,793 --> 00:20:40,034 What happens after that? 507 00:20:40,034 --> 00:20:42,758 Well, they went to his funeral. 508 00:20:43,482 --> 00:20:45,137 And they got arrested at his funeral. 509 00:20:45,137 --> 00:20:47,689 And when the trial was supposed to start 510 00:20:47,689 --> 00:20:49,931 four of Patten's children 511 00:20:50,551 --> 00:20:52,103 -went to the jail... -Okay. 512 00:20:52,103 --> 00:20:53,965 ...to seek their own justice. 513 00:20:53,965 --> 00:20:55,758 So out of the four kids was the guy Dan 514 00:20:55,758 --> 00:20:58,448 that owns my client's property one of them? 515 00:20:58,448 --> 00:21:02,000 He was. He went into the prison with three of his brothers. 516 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,344 While all that was happening, 517 00:21:03,344 --> 00:21:06,103 Odie, one of the Gibson brothers 518 00:21:06,551 --> 00:21:07,793 got shot and killed. 519 00:21:07,793 --> 00:21:10,172 Okay so Odie is one of the Gibsons and he's killed. 520 00:21:10,172 --> 00:21:12,862 What about our boy Dan and the other brother? 521 00:21:12,862 --> 00:21:15,344 Dan and another brother got away. 522 00:21:15,344 --> 00:21:17,758 Fourth brother that was wounded was arrested on the spot. 523 00:21:17,758 --> 00:21:20,241 All right, so our boy Dan buys my client's property. 524 00:21:20,241 --> 00:21:21,482 When does he do that? 525 00:21:21,482 --> 00:21:24,551 He bought that property when he was 56 years old 526 00:21:24,551 --> 00:21:26,655 and that was in 1967. 527 00:21:27,172 --> 00:21:28,344 Surprised he lived that long. 528 00:21:28,896 --> 00:21:29,896 So am I. 529 00:21:29,896 --> 00:21:31,379 All right, so Dan's 56, 530 00:21:31,379 --> 00:21:33,000 and he's buying my client's property. 531 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,379 I mean is he married, does he have kids, what's the story? 532 00:21:35,379 --> 00:21:39,137 He actually married a woman named Elphaba Bush, 533 00:21:39,137 --> 00:21:42,586 and together they had six children that we know of. 534 00:21:42,586 --> 00:21:45,862 All right, so it's 1967, he's married with six kids. 535 00:21:45,862 --> 00:21:48,793 -He survives the feud, right? -Yes, sir. 536 00:21:48,793 --> 00:21:50,586 So how does it go for him at the time? 537 00:21:50,586 --> 00:21:52,275 Not bad for three years. 538 00:21:52,275 --> 00:21:55,241 But then in 1970, 539 00:21:55,241 --> 00:21:58,275 when he turned 59, he had a massive heart attack. 540 00:21:58,275 --> 00:22:02,034 He died within 12 hours having that heart attack. 541 00:22:02,034 --> 00:22:03,655 Okay, so he died a young man. 542 00:22:03,655 --> 00:22:06,482 He did. Here's an article about it. 543 00:22:06,482 --> 00:22:07,586 [Steve] So here's the guy that survives 544 00:22:07,586 --> 00:22:10,034 -the feisty family feud, right? -That's correct. 545 00:22:10,034 --> 00:22:12,172 And dies at an young age of 59. 546 00:22:12,172 --> 00:22:13,689 Painfully dies. 547 00:22:13,689 --> 00:22:17,000 All right so he's dead. I assume Elpha property at this point. 548 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,482 Elpha didn't get the property. 549 00:22:18,482 --> 00:22:20,965 But about a year after he died, 550 00:22:20,965 --> 00:22:22,965 she contracted stomach cancer. 551 00:22:22,965 --> 00:22:26,275 Now she suffered from the stomach cancer for about six years. 552 00:22:26,275 --> 00:22:28,482 When she was getting towards the end of her life 553 00:22:28,482 --> 00:22:30,689 she decided to try to sell part of the property. 554 00:22:30,689 --> 00:22:32,965 And she sells this house 555 00:22:32,965 --> 00:22:34,965 to a family called the Borgers. 556 00:22:34,965 --> 00:22:36,482 When she passed away 557 00:22:36,482 --> 00:22:39,689 there was no clear will. 558 00:22:39,689 --> 00:22:43,793 So this got real messy. Everybody contested ownership. 559 00:22:43,793 --> 00:22:46,241 And it spent ten years in the court. 560 00:22:46,241 --> 00:22:47,758 And finally 561 00:22:47,758 --> 00:22:49,586 it came down that the Borgers 562 00:22:49,586 --> 00:22:51,689 did in fact own this piece of property. 563 00:22:51,689 --> 00:22:53,344 But there's one more twist. 564 00:22:53,896 --> 00:22:54,896 Okay. 565 00:22:54,896 --> 00:22:57,379 Mr. Borger who ended up owning the property 566 00:22:57,379 --> 00:22:59,689 was related to Spurlocks by marriage. 567 00:22:59,689 --> 00:23:01,793 -You're joking. -No, sir. 568 00:23:01,793 --> 00:23:04,172 Probably a good thing, uh, Dan was dead at this point. 569 00:23:04,172 --> 00:23:06,310 Probably, yes, or the feud would've started over. 570 00:23:09,172 --> 00:23:12,034 [Cindy] I'm seeing the dead guy who shoves people. 571 00:23:12,034 --> 00:23:14,103 He's having a really hard time breathing. 572 00:23:17,793 --> 00:23:19,172 I'm seeing him coughing. 573 00:23:19,172 --> 00:23:20,551 But I feel like he's choking. 574 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,965 But I feel like he died of heart attack, really. 575 00:23:26,965 --> 00:23:29,137 I keep seeing him grabbing his chest. 576 00:23:30,379 --> 00:23:32,793 And then I see him falling over. 577 00:23:32,793 --> 00:23:34,275 I keep hearing the name 578 00:23:34,275 --> 00:23:37,275 like a Ron or Don or something. 579 00:23:37,275 --> 00:23:39,379 Uh, I just feel like he died suddenly. 580 00:23:39,379 --> 00:23:40,689 I keep hearing him saying, 581 00:23:40,689 --> 00:23:42,793 I want my money, I want my money, 582 00:23:42,793 --> 00:23:43,862 I want my money. 583 00:23:43,862 --> 00:23:47,034 So, this is like a family quarrel over money. 584 00:23:47,034 --> 00:23:48,793 He's just really pissed off 585 00:23:48,793 --> 00:23:50,965 about the money and the family will. 586 00:23:50,965 --> 00:23:53,689 He's not leaving until he's paid what he's owed. 587 00:23:53,689 --> 00:23:55,655 This feels really bad. 588 00:23:57,965 --> 00:23:59,482 For more information on the show 589 00:23:59,482 --> 00:24:01,862 and if you need us to investigate any unexplained 590 00:24:01,862 --> 00:24:03,689 paranormal activity in your home... 591 00:24:03,689 --> 00:24:04,758 Please visit... [continues reading] 592 00:24:07,586 --> 00:24:09,000 Click on Help me Dead Files 593 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,172 to submit your story 594 00:24:10,172 --> 00:24:11,517 and we'll help if we can. 595 00:24:16,379 --> 00:24:18,482 So far I've got a client terrified something evil 596 00:24:18,482 --> 00:24:20,793 is out to harm her parents 597 00:24:20,793 --> 00:24:22,862 on a property where the former owner 598 00:24:22,862 --> 00:24:26,551 was involved in a long and bloody family feud. 599 00:24:26,551 --> 00:24:28,310 But I wanna see if there's anything else. 600 00:24:29,551 --> 00:24:30,758 Searching through old records, 601 00:24:30,758 --> 00:24:32,482 I came across an infamous gang 602 00:24:32,482 --> 00:24:34,275 that committed deadly train robberies 603 00:24:34,275 --> 00:24:37,000 on the tracks right behind my client's house. 604 00:24:38,551 --> 00:24:40,482 So, I'm headed back to Paula and Stanley's place 605 00:24:40,482 --> 00:24:42,793 to meet with a local historian who tells me in the end 606 00:24:42,793 --> 00:24:44,793 this violent gang faced justice 607 00:24:44,793 --> 00:24:46,413 but it wasn't from the law. 608 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,000 It was from a pissed off mob. 609 00:24:55,551 --> 00:24:57,793 -Well, Bryan, it's good to see you again. -Good to see you. 610 00:24:57,793 --> 00:25:00,068 So this gang, what can you tell me about? 611 00:25:00,586 --> 00:25:02,000 There was the Reno Gang, 612 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,862 and the Reno Gang was probably one the most infamous 613 00:25:04,862 --> 00:25:07,896 train robbers in United States history. 614 00:25:07,896 --> 00:25:12,275 Their reign of terror lasted from about 1864 to 1868. 615 00:25:12,275 --> 00:25:15,793 They would go on to inspire characters, criminals, 616 00:25:15,793 --> 00:25:18,275 like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, 617 00:25:18,275 --> 00:25:19,448 or Jesse James. 618 00:25:19,448 --> 00:25:20,896 All right you called them the Reno Gang, 619 00:25:20,896 --> 00:25:22,586 who's actually in the gang? 620 00:25:22,586 --> 00:25:25,275 They were basically between ten to 12 guys, 621 00:25:25,275 --> 00:25:29,517 -but the main core of them were four brothers. -Okay. 622 00:25:30,241 --> 00:25:32,379 This is Frank Reno. He was the eldest. 623 00:25:32,379 --> 00:25:34,586 -He's a hardcore looking guy. -Yes, he is. 624 00:25:34,586 --> 00:25:37,137 And then this is his next brother. 625 00:25:37,137 --> 00:25:38,793 That's John Reno. 626 00:25:38,793 --> 00:25:41,000 Okay, so we got Frank and John. 627 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,448 Who are the other two brothers? 628 00:25:42,448 --> 00:25:44,896 The next one would have been William and Simeon. 629 00:25:44,896 --> 00:25:46,862 So, Bryan, you mentioned they started terrorizing 630 00:25:46,862 --> 00:25:48,724 people in this area, what were they doing? 631 00:25:50,275 --> 00:25:53,482 They robbed the train of about $16,000. 632 00:25:53,482 --> 00:25:55,000 That is like how much now? 633 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,482 -Well, that was about $300,000 back then. -Right. 634 00:25:57,482 --> 00:25:59,758 Two of the brothers were arrested. 635 00:25:59,758 --> 00:26:02,689 But one of the witnesses that was on the train, 636 00:26:02,689 --> 00:26:04,482 his name was George Kenny. 637 00:26:04,482 --> 00:26:06,241 Guys from the gang, the Reno Gang, 638 00:26:06,241 --> 00:26:08,275 they knocked on his door and kill him. 639 00:26:08,275 --> 00:26:10,068 So now there's no eyewitness. 640 00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:12,896 -So they let him go. -Okay, so... 641 00:26:12,896 --> 00:26:14,896 these guys really knew what they were doing back then. 642 00:26:14,896 --> 00:26:17,241 -Like modern-day mafia stuff. -Bingo. 643 00:26:17,241 --> 00:26:19,103 So, Bryan, you'd told me that this robbery took place 644 00:26:19,103 --> 00:26:21,379 right on this line, right behind my client's property. 645 00:26:21,379 --> 00:26:23,275 -Yes, right on this line. -Okay. 646 00:26:23,275 --> 00:26:25,379 And then in May of 1868 647 00:26:25,379 --> 00:26:28,068 they decided to pull off the big one, 648 00:26:28,068 --> 00:26:31,965 just two miles from here at a town called Marshfield, 649 00:26:31,965 --> 00:26:33,689 -that doesn't exist anymore... -Okay. 650 00:26:33,689 --> 00:26:36,689 ...they decided to rob the express train. 651 00:26:36,689 --> 00:26:39,896 They overpowered the gentleman that was protecting the safes, 652 00:26:39,896 --> 00:26:41,862 his name was Thomas Harkins, 653 00:26:41,862 --> 00:26:43,344 and they knocked him out 654 00:26:43,344 --> 00:26:45,896 and when the train was going 50 miles an hour 655 00:26:45,896 --> 00:26:48,137 they threw him out of train. 656 00:26:48,137 --> 00:26:49,379 I see these guys had no mercy. 657 00:26:49,379 --> 00:26:50,586 They didn't care about nothing. 658 00:26:50,586 --> 00:26:52,068 No mercy at all. 659 00:26:54,034 --> 00:26:55,689 [Steve] So that's another murder they commit. 660 00:26:55,689 --> 00:26:57,448 [Bryan] That's another one. 661 00:26:57,448 --> 00:26:59,586 All right. So what was the score on this robbery? 662 00:26:59,586 --> 00:27:03,482 -Score on this robbery was $96,000. -[whistles] 663 00:27:03,482 --> 00:27:05,275 We don't think a lot about that now 664 00:27:05,275 --> 00:27:07,482 but that is in the millions, 665 00:27:07,482 --> 00:27:10,000 but they decided to get greedy. 666 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,758 So, they were gonna try to take on 667 00:27:11,758 --> 00:27:13,275 -another express train. -Okay. 668 00:27:13,275 --> 00:27:15,482 Well, the Pinkerton Detective Agency, 669 00:27:15,482 --> 00:27:17,758 they tracked down one of the gang members 670 00:27:17,758 --> 00:27:20,000 arrested him and he flipped. 671 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,793 -Okay. -Decided to tell. 672 00:27:21,793 --> 00:27:23,275 All right, so they got this guy, he flips. 673 00:27:23,275 --> 00:27:25,000 Does it lead to any arrests? 674 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,551 Yes, they ended up arresting all the gang members 675 00:27:27,551 --> 00:27:28,896 except one. 676 00:27:28,896 --> 00:27:31,241 Now you mentioned on the phone that, uh... 677 00:27:31,241 --> 00:27:34,344 they received mob justice. What happened then? 678 00:27:34,344 --> 00:27:37,137 They were over in New Albany, Indiana jail 679 00:27:37,137 --> 00:27:38,965 and 65 members 680 00:27:38,965 --> 00:27:42,896 of the Jackson County Vigilance society 681 00:27:42,896 --> 00:27:45,379 decided to do justice on their own. 682 00:27:45,379 --> 00:27:47,379 They rushed in to the jail, 683 00:27:47,379 --> 00:27:50,793 tortured the sheriff, they shot him to get his keys. 684 00:27:50,793 --> 00:27:53,241 They finally got the keys, tied rope around 685 00:27:53,241 --> 00:27:55,862 Frank, Simeon, William and Charlie Anderson, 686 00:27:55,862 --> 00:27:57,758 threw them over the side and hung them. 687 00:27:57,758 --> 00:28:00,965 Okay, so these guys are hung by vigilantes basically. 688 00:28:00,965 --> 00:28:03,275 That's correct, and as they say 689 00:28:03,275 --> 00:28:06,655 it was "Judge Lynch" that took care of them. 690 00:28:07,551 --> 00:28:11,103 Nobody was ever prosecuted for any of this. 691 00:28:11,103 --> 00:28:13,241 So this vigilante group doing what they did, 692 00:28:13,241 --> 00:28:15,344 they had to be terrified at these guys 693 00:28:15,344 --> 00:28:17,172 -and really wanted them dead. -Yes, 694 00:28:17,172 --> 00:28:20,034 for the simple reason they were terrorizing this community. 695 00:28:23,655 --> 00:28:26,275 [Cindy] This house is a portal. 696 00:28:26,275 --> 00:28:29,448 So there's a lot of spirits coming in and out. 697 00:28:29,448 --> 00:28:31,655 It's all the energy from the train tracks 698 00:28:31,655 --> 00:28:33,275 and the train coming through. 699 00:28:33,275 --> 00:28:34,965 It's causing a portal to open up 700 00:28:34,965 --> 00:28:36,551 and affect this family. 701 00:28:36,551 --> 00:28:39,137 Spirits, they're like walking into the house. 702 00:28:39,137 --> 00:28:40,965 It's like a free-for-all. 703 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,241 A lot of them are random. It's not safe. 704 00:28:45,793 --> 00:28:46,896 Do they just come and go? 705 00:28:46,896 --> 00:28:49,172 Some of them come and go. Some of them get stuck. 706 00:28:49,172 --> 00:28:50,275 And the ones that get stuck, 707 00:28:50,275 --> 00:28:51,862 they're creating a problem in the house. 708 00:28:59,379 --> 00:29:01,862 I saw a lot of terrible things in my walk. 709 00:29:01,862 --> 00:29:04,068 But two had me very concerned. 710 00:29:04,068 --> 00:29:06,551 First the portal bringing dead people into the house. 711 00:29:07,379 --> 00:29:10,241 I saw a portal literally coming 712 00:29:10,241 --> 00:29:11,689 from the train tracks, 713 00:29:11,689 --> 00:29:14,793 where the spirits were coming out of the tracks 714 00:29:14,793 --> 00:29:16,827 and walking into the house. 715 00:29:17,965 --> 00:29:22,862 Like all different ages, heights, different time periods, 716 00:29:22,862 --> 00:29:25,068 but they look more like shadows. 717 00:29:25,482 --> 00:29:26,758 How is this? 718 00:29:26,758 --> 00:29:27,862 Yeah, that looks pretty good. 719 00:29:27,862 --> 00:29:30,275 Maybe just add a few more people. 720 00:29:30,275 --> 00:29:32,586 Next, I describe the angry dead woman 721 00:29:32,586 --> 00:29:34,655 attacking a living woman in bed. 722 00:29:35,275 --> 00:29:37,689 This dead woman leaves bruises 723 00:29:37,689 --> 00:29:41,206 on the living woman's arm and body. 724 00:29:42,034 --> 00:29:43,862 She's asleep but it's like 725 00:29:43,862 --> 00:29:45,379 she's having a really bad nightmare. 726 00:29:45,379 --> 00:29:46,655 That's how I draw her. 727 00:29:51,586 --> 00:29:53,068 Cindy, is that what you saw? 728 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,517 That's exactly what I saw. 729 00:30:07,862 --> 00:30:11,068 [Steve] Now that Cindy and I have completed our investigations, 730 00:30:11,068 --> 00:30:13,655 we are ready to reveal our findings to each other 731 00:30:13,655 --> 00:30:16,068 and our clients for the first time. 732 00:30:16,068 --> 00:30:17,758 So, Cindy, I want you to meet 733 00:30:17,758 --> 00:30:20,000 Paula and Stanley. 734 00:30:20,793 --> 00:30:22,551 This is their daughter Paula Jr., 735 00:30:22,551 --> 00:30:23,689 who lives nearby. 736 00:30:23,689 --> 00:30:25,896 She's actually the one who called us in, 737 00:30:25,896 --> 00:30:28,137 because she was worried sick about her parents. 738 00:30:28,137 --> 00:30:30,586 These guys are desperate for a solution 739 00:30:30,586 --> 00:30:32,448 so they can get their lives back. 740 00:30:32,448 --> 00:30:34,482 So unless Cindy has some questions for you, 741 00:30:34,482 --> 00:30:35,827 she'll tell us about her walk. 742 00:30:39,793 --> 00:30:41,482 [Cindy] So the first thing I wanna talk about is 743 00:30:41,482 --> 00:30:43,931 a dead guy who's very present 744 00:30:44,379 --> 00:30:45,379 in your home. 745 00:30:45,379 --> 00:30:47,103 He spends a lot of time in the living room 746 00:30:47,103 --> 00:30:48,689 and in the kitchen. 747 00:30:48,689 --> 00:30:50,379 He's a really big guy. 748 00:30:50,379 --> 00:30:51,793 He wears big heavy boots, 749 00:30:51,793 --> 00:30:54,172 so you should hear footsteps. 750 00:30:54,172 --> 00:30:56,172 And he gets really close to people 751 00:30:56,172 --> 00:30:58,137 and tries to intimidate them. 752 00:30:58,137 --> 00:31:00,689 And I also saw him shoving someone 753 00:31:00,689 --> 00:31:02,206 in the kitchen area. 754 00:31:03,275 --> 00:31:06,000 So one of the stuff she just said, 755 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,241 we didn't talk about but I saw you guys nodding your heads. 756 00:31:08,241 --> 00:31:11,724 Yes, sir, uh, earlier today she was in the shower 757 00:31:12,551 --> 00:31:14,172 and I was sittin' on the couch 758 00:31:14,172 --> 00:31:17,379 and I hear her hollerin' for me to come back there. 759 00:31:17,379 --> 00:31:20,344 She just got shoved in shower. 760 00:31:20,344 --> 00:31:22,000 I just fell completely fell out of tub. 761 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,655 I had to grab hold of the wall. 762 00:31:24,758 --> 00:31:26,172 All right, you're okay, though? 763 00:31:26,896 --> 00:31:28,000 It hurt my leg. 764 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,344 I'm sorry to hear that. 765 00:31:30,137 --> 00:31:31,482 Right. Any idea who this guy 766 00:31:31,482 --> 00:31:33,034 might have been when he was alive? 767 00:31:33,034 --> 00:31:34,965 I got the name Ron or Don. 768 00:31:35,379 --> 00:31:36,586 I saw his death. 769 00:31:36,586 --> 00:31:37,896 I saw that he couldn't breathe. 770 00:31:37,896 --> 00:31:41,172 He grabbed his chest and then he fell over. 771 00:31:41,172 --> 00:31:43,482 So, I really think he died from heart attack, 772 00:31:43,482 --> 00:31:46,172 and he's super fixated on money. 773 00:31:47,103 --> 00:31:49,965 So there's something to do with the family will. 774 00:31:49,965 --> 00:31:51,275 He wants to move on 775 00:31:51,275 --> 00:31:53,000 but he's not gonna do it 776 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,689 until he gets what he thinks he's owed. 777 00:31:55,689 --> 00:31:57,275 Definitely makes me think of somebody 778 00:31:57,275 --> 00:31:59,344 I came across during my research. 779 00:31:59,344 --> 00:32:02,275 There was a former owner named Dan Gibson 780 00:32:02,275 --> 00:32:05,137 who was born in 1911 to a large family. 781 00:32:05,137 --> 00:32:08,275 His family the Gibsons were in a violent feud, 782 00:32:08,275 --> 00:32:10,379 here in Indiana, with another family 783 00:32:10,379 --> 00:32:12,034 called the Spurlocks. 784 00:32:12,034 --> 00:32:15,172 His dad and at least one of his brothers 785 00:32:15,172 --> 00:32:17,965 died in the feud from gunshots. 786 00:32:17,965 --> 00:32:20,655 Now Gibson bought your land in 1967. 787 00:32:20,655 --> 00:32:23,344 Three years later he dropped dead of a... 788 00:32:23,344 --> 00:32:25,379 -Oh, a heart attack? -...of a heart attack. 789 00:32:25,379 --> 00:32:26,862 Wow. 790 00:32:26,862 --> 00:32:28,068 Now you said the guy's pissed off 791 00:32:28,068 --> 00:32:29,862 -about the money and the family will, right? -Mm-hmm. 792 00:32:29,862 --> 00:32:31,965 Okay. So after he died his kids... 793 00:32:32,655 --> 00:32:34,551 ended up in a long court battle 794 00:32:34,551 --> 00:32:37,000 with another family fighting over the property. 795 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,896 And here's the kick in the ass. 796 00:32:38,896 --> 00:32:40,482 The other family they were fighting with 797 00:32:40,482 --> 00:32:42,241 over the land was related to... 798 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,172 the Spurlocks. 799 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,344 Could Dan be the guy you might have seen? 800 00:32:48,344 --> 00:32:51,000 I mean, yeah, the fact that, 801 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,275 I felt the heart attack in the house, 802 00:32:53,275 --> 00:32:54,551 -he's pissed about money... -[Steve] Yeah. 803 00:32:54,551 --> 00:32:55,551 ...it all make sense. 804 00:32:56,379 --> 00:32:57,620 What's the matter, honey? 805 00:32:58,586 --> 00:33:00,241 I've also had a, um... 806 00:33:01,068 --> 00:33:03,068 really vivid dream 807 00:33:03,068 --> 00:33:04,965 of my oldest brother 808 00:33:05,482 --> 00:33:06,551 shooting me 809 00:33:07,586 --> 00:33:09,551 over... a house. 810 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,241 -Really? -Yeah. 811 00:33:12,551 --> 00:33:15,034 I feel like your dream could be related 812 00:33:15,034 --> 00:33:18,275 to what this man's family experienced. 813 00:33:18,275 --> 00:33:20,275 I think that you're really sensitive 814 00:33:20,275 --> 00:33:23,448 and I think that that dream was maybe 815 00:33:23,448 --> 00:33:24,758 Dan's communicating with you 816 00:33:24,758 --> 00:33:26,827 something about what happened to his family. 817 00:33:28,172 --> 00:33:30,344 You're glad you're not living here anymore, right? 818 00:33:30,344 --> 00:33:31,241 Yeah. 819 00:33:33,241 --> 00:33:34,689 [Steve] So what else? 820 00:33:34,689 --> 00:33:36,896 [Cindy] So when I walked into the garage, 821 00:33:36,896 --> 00:33:38,896 I saw a living woman. 822 00:33:38,896 --> 00:33:41,379 She had blond hair, and she looked to be in her 40s. 823 00:33:41,379 --> 00:33:44,172 She was crying and extremely upset. 824 00:33:44,172 --> 00:33:46,172 And I felt that she wanted to escape 825 00:33:46,172 --> 00:33:47,862 but she couldn't leave. 826 00:33:47,862 --> 00:33:50,241 And I also saw a father and a son. 827 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,758 But the son as a teenager 828 00:33:52,758 --> 00:33:54,758 and the father and the son were fighting. 829 00:33:54,758 --> 00:33:57,172 And I feel like this aggressive behavior, 830 00:33:57,172 --> 00:33:59,000 the fighting, it's really causing 831 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,482 division in your family, 832 00:34:00,482 --> 00:34:02,448 and it's tearing your family apart. 833 00:34:03,448 --> 00:34:05,172 You know Cindy, the main reason Paula 834 00:34:05,172 --> 00:34:07,379 Junior here called us in, 835 00:34:07,379 --> 00:34:09,034 these guys have been married for 35 years, 836 00:34:09,034 --> 00:34:11,965 but they've been fighting so badly they, 837 00:34:11,965 --> 00:34:13,103 they're talking about breaking up. 838 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,275 A certain bang or a certain word 839 00:34:16,275 --> 00:34:18,068 and I'm snappin'. 840 00:34:18,068 --> 00:34:19,793 I know what I say her... 841 00:34:19,793 --> 00:34:23,172 I'll do harsh stuff, you know, toward her. 842 00:34:23,172 --> 00:34:24,896 She mentioned about fighting with a teenager. 843 00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:27,000 That, that ring anything for you? 844 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,000 -Me and my son. -Okay. 845 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,000 We've had some harsh words. 846 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,896 Some harsh arguments. 847 00:34:33,896 --> 00:34:37,793 All this fighting is fueling a major issue in this house. 848 00:34:37,793 --> 00:34:39,655 And that's poltergeist activity. 849 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,551 It's especially intense in the garage. 850 00:34:44,551 --> 00:34:46,896 Things with electronics stop working, 851 00:34:46,896 --> 00:34:48,620 or, or they malfunction. 852 00:34:49,034 --> 00:34:50,655 Things start turning on. 853 00:34:51,655 --> 00:34:54,068 I know we've like a lot of tools and stuff in here 854 00:34:54,068 --> 00:34:56,068 but I feel like it's actually kind of dangerous, 855 00:34:56,068 --> 00:34:57,344 like things might go flying. 856 00:34:58,172 --> 00:35:00,482 A hammer come flying across the garage. 857 00:35:00,482 --> 00:35:02,482 It was about eight foot, 858 00:35:02,482 --> 00:35:05,379 and it come down about a foot from hitting. 859 00:35:05,379 --> 00:35:08,172 -That's terrifying. -Yeah. Tell her about your car. 860 00:35:08,172 --> 00:35:12,000 The stereo and the wipers would come on, 861 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,965 -without a key. -Hmm. 862 00:35:13,965 --> 00:35:16,827 -I'm working on cars since I'm 16 year old. -Yeah. 863 00:35:17,655 --> 00:35:21,137 And never had I had an issue with anything. 864 00:35:21,137 --> 00:35:23,103 Paula, you gotta tell about the glass. 865 00:35:23,103 --> 00:35:26,793 Oh, yeah, we were in the, uh, dining room 866 00:35:26,793 --> 00:35:28,965 and we heard a crash 867 00:35:28,965 --> 00:35:31,758 and I had a dish strainer sitting on the sink 868 00:35:31,758 --> 00:35:33,586 and I just had a glass in it 869 00:35:33,586 --> 00:35:35,275 and that glass literally come out 870 00:35:35,275 --> 00:35:36,689 over the top of the dish strainer 871 00:35:36,689 --> 00:35:39,172 and went into the sink and shattered. 872 00:35:39,793 --> 00:35:41,103 What is really fueling 873 00:35:41,103 --> 00:35:43,275 your poltergeist activity tha-- uh-- 874 00:35:43,275 --> 00:35:45,482 the most right now is all the fighting. 875 00:35:45,482 --> 00:35:47,758 So you guys are causing it. You don't even realize it. 876 00:35:48,586 --> 00:35:49,758 Definitely. 877 00:35:52,758 --> 00:35:53,862 [Steve] What else? 878 00:35:54,448 --> 00:35:57,137 You have another major issue. 879 00:35:57,137 --> 00:36:00,448 There's a portal leading directly 880 00:36:00,448 --> 00:36:02,137 from the railroad track 881 00:36:02,793 --> 00:36:05,655 into the backdoor of your house. 882 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,206 -[exclaims] -Wow. 883 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,655 And I had a sketch done of what I saw. 884 00:36:17,551 --> 00:36:18,965 Wow, look at this. 885 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,000 -Oh. -[Paula] Oh, my goodness. 886 00:36:27,482 --> 00:36:29,793 [Paula] I mean that, that really, 887 00:36:29,793 --> 00:36:31,413 that really, really bothers me. 888 00:36:32,379 --> 00:36:35,275 [Cindy] One of the dead that came to this portal 889 00:36:35,275 --> 00:36:37,482 is an older dead woman. 890 00:36:37,482 --> 00:36:38,896 She ended up staying in the house. 891 00:36:38,896 --> 00:36:42,000 And she's a very big problem. 892 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,241 When people are sleeping she makes them feel like 893 00:36:44,241 --> 00:36:46,344 they can't breathe, like, they're suffocating. 894 00:36:46,344 --> 00:36:48,000 She's very focused 895 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,758 on the living woman in the house. 896 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,551 She hates you. 897 00:36:55,275 --> 00:36:57,965 You had a woman that you saw in your bedroom. 898 00:36:58,896 --> 00:36:59,965 Tell Cindy about her. 899 00:36:59,965 --> 00:37:01,379 Someone woke me up. 900 00:37:01,379 --> 00:37:03,793 I sat up in the bed and there was a woman 901 00:37:03,793 --> 00:37:05,275 standing right at the foot of the bed 902 00:37:05,275 --> 00:37:06,758 and she had ahold of the curtain 903 00:37:06,758 --> 00:37:09,448 and she was just jerking real hard on the curtain. 904 00:37:09,448 --> 00:37:11,896 I saw her standing over your bed while you are sleeping, 905 00:37:11,896 --> 00:37:14,172 while you're really vulnerable. 906 00:37:14,172 --> 00:37:15,931 So I had it sketched on a board what I saw. 907 00:37:23,103 --> 00:37:24,448 I don't even know if I wanna show you this. 908 00:37:30,689 --> 00:37:31,862 [Stanley] Wow. 909 00:37:33,586 --> 00:37:35,655 [Paula] Hmm. It's very scary. 910 00:37:37,103 --> 00:37:39,241 As when you're on bed you're all sleeping 911 00:37:39,241 --> 00:37:40,551 that should be, you know... 912 00:37:40,551 --> 00:37:41,793 -[Steve] Right. -...pretty well your time, 913 00:37:41,793 --> 00:37:43,551 I mean, I don't know what to think. 914 00:37:44,689 --> 00:37:46,000 [Paula Jr. speaking] 915 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,172 [Paula] I'm too, luv. 916 00:37:48,482 --> 00:37:50,379 Paula, tell her about you waking up with bruises. 917 00:37:50,379 --> 00:37:53,655 I woke up several times with bruises, um, 918 00:37:53,655 --> 00:37:56,655 on my chest, on my legs, on my arms. 919 00:37:56,655 --> 00:37:58,172 And there has been a few times 920 00:37:58,172 --> 00:38:00,689 that looks like someone just literally took the hand 921 00:38:00,689 --> 00:38:02,344 and just putting it around my arm 922 00:38:02,344 --> 00:38:04,379 and then you can actually see the fingerprints. 923 00:38:04,379 --> 00:38:07,068 And you had the same issue, right, 924 00:38:07,068 --> 00:38:08,000 when you go to your mom's house? 925 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,448 I was just have a visit and 926 00:38:10,448 --> 00:38:12,862 I started noticing a little bit of pain on my knee. 927 00:38:12,862 --> 00:38:15,896 When we came home I had a bruise on my knee. 928 00:38:15,896 --> 00:38:19,172 You've seen it. Tell her about the scratches that your wife gets. 929 00:38:19,172 --> 00:38:20,758 [Stanley] She's woke up 930 00:38:20,758 --> 00:38:22,034 many of a morning, 931 00:38:22,034 --> 00:38:26,379 and she's had scratches across her chest. 932 00:38:26,379 --> 00:38:30,241 I hate to say this but she, she wants you dead. 933 00:38:30,241 --> 00:38:33,103 She also wants people to feel like they're burning alive. 934 00:38:33,896 --> 00:38:36,034 And she wants to burn the house down. 935 00:38:36,034 --> 00:38:37,241 [Stanley] Wow. 936 00:38:38,068 --> 00:38:39,689 Paula, tell Cindy what happened 937 00:38:39,689 --> 00:38:41,965 when the water heater caught on fire. 938 00:38:41,965 --> 00:38:44,689 If it wasn't for me looking down the hallway 939 00:38:44,689 --> 00:38:46,034 and seeing the smoke, 940 00:38:46,034 --> 00:38:48,413 I could have possibly died in the home. 941 00:38:49,172 --> 00:38:50,965 When the fire department showed up 942 00:38:51,896 --> 00:38:54,482 they just couldn't figure out how it happened. 943 00:38:54,482 --> 00:38:58,241 This woman, when I was feeling her presence in the house, 944 00:38:58,241 --> 00:39:02,310 she was telling me that her family died in a fire. 945 00:39:02,965 --> 00:39:05,448 Unfortunately it wants 946 00:39:05,448 --> 00:39:08,275 another family to feel her pain. 947 00:39:08,275 --> 00:39:11,793 I dreamt about the trailer catching on fire and burn. 948 00:39:11,793 --> 00:39:14,482 A few times I've dreamt about it catching on fire 949 00:39:14,482 --> 00:39:17,551 and uh, me and him... dying in it. 950 00:39:17,551 --> 00:39:19,862 I've dreamt my daughter dying in it. 951 00:39:20,689 --> 00:39:23,758 That's a dream I get a lot, a whole lot. 952 00:39:23,758 --> 00:39:27,275 I feel like this woman is giving you those dreams. 953 00:39:27,275 --> 00:39:29,379 I mean, unfortunately it's like she's stuck 954 00:39:29,379 --> 00:39:32,000 in this loop of, of anger and grief. 955 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,551 I don't know, it's very... 956 00:39:34,379 --> 00:39:36,379 It's very scary, right? 957 00:39:36,379 --> 00:39:38,000 I just don't know what I did to her. 958 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,172 You didn't do anything to her. 959 00:39:39,172 --> 00:39:40,689 You didn't do anything to her. 960 00:39:40,689 --> 00:39:42,379 It's really scary when someone tells you 961 00:39:42,379 --> 00:39:44,241 that somebody wants you dead. 962 00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:56,275 [Steve] Now, Paula, you're a good daughter. 963 00:39:56,275 --> 00:39:57,758 It's a good thing you reached out to us. 964 00:39:57,758 --> 00:39:59,034 'Cause you're right. 965 00:39:59,034 --> 00:40:01,793 Your parents have big problems at that house. 966 00:40:01,793 --> 00:40:03,137 Question is, can it be fixed? 967 00:40:04,896 --> 00:40:07,586 Now for that answer I'm gonna turn it over to my partner, Cindy. 968 00:40:09,655 --> 00:40:12,103 First things first, that portal has got to be closed. 969 00:40:12,103 --> 00:40:14,586 Because if the portal is not closed 970 00:40:14,586 --> 00:40:17,793 spirits will be coming and going... forever. 971 00:40:17,793 --> 00:40:20,310 So, I want you to bring in a medium to close the portal. 972 00:40:20,896 --> 00:40:22,896 Secondly, Dan. 973 00:40:22,896 --> 00:40:25,689 So, Dan's a problem because 974 00:40:25,689 --> 00:40:28,275 he's obviously aggressive. 975 00:40:28,275 --> 00:40:29,689 You could feel him. 976 00:40:29,689 --> 00:40:31,551 He's making you feel afraid. 977 00:40:31,551 --> 00:40:33,689 He could be feeling your temper. 978 00:40:33,689 --> 00:40:36,068 And what that's doing is increasing 979 00:40:36,068 --> 00:40:37,793 the poltergeist activity in the house. 980 00:40:37,793 --> 00:40:40,137 The same medium will move him on. 981 00:40:40,137 --> 00:40:41,896 And obviously 982 00:40:41,896 --> 00:40:43,241 the most dangerous spirit 983 00:40:43,241 --> 00:40:47,000 we have, uh, is the woman who is attacking you. 984 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,103 I think she might be 985 00:40:49,103 --> 00:40:51,068 a little bit more difficult to get rid of. 986 00:40:53,206 --> 00:40:55,206 The same medium will move her on 987 00:40:55,206 --> 00:40:57,689 but I really don't think you should stay in the house 988 00:40:57,689 --> 00:40:59,620 when the medium tries to get rid of her. 989 00:40:59,620 --> 00:41:01,517 You'll need to stay at your daughter's. 990 00:41:01,517 --> 00:41:02,551 Okay. 991 00:41:02,551 --> 00:41:04,862 Once they get out, once these spirits get out 992 00:41:04,862 --> 00:41:07,448 and portal's closed these fighting's should stop. 993 00:41:07,448 --> 00:41:09,344 I feel like it, it will. 994 00:41:09,344 --> 00:41:12,413 And without all that anger the poltergeist activity will slow down. 995 00:41:12,413 --> 00:41:13,724 Yeah, I think so. 996 00:41:14,413 --> 00:41:15,896 This is good news, guys. 997 00:41:15,896 --> 00:41:16,965 -Yes. -Yes, sir, it is. 998 00:41:18,344 --> 00:41:19,379 You're glad you called? 999 00:41:19,379 --> 00:41:22,000 Yeah, I'm... I'm really glad I called. 1000 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,172 [Steve] And you got a good daughter there. 1001 00:41:23,172 --> 00:41:25,620 -Mm-hmm. -Yes, we have. 1002 00:41:25,620 --> 00:41:27,655 I'm really glad that this has happened, 1003 00:41:27,655 --> 00:41:28,965 you know, get some answers 1004 00:41:28,965 --> 00:41:31,068 and hopefully some closure to this. 1005 00:41:31,689 --> 00:41:33,896 And to know, you know, that 1006 00:41:33,896 --> 00:41:35,103 I wouldn't go on crazy, 1007 00:41:35,103 --> 00:41:38,034 -or we're not going crazy. -[Steve] No. No. 1008 00:41:38,034 --> 00:41:40,310 Our love, you know, it still strong. 1009 00:41:44,034 --> 00:41:45,206 [Cindy] Paula and Stanley 1010 00:41:45,206 --> 00:41:46,758 have a lot of work ahead of them, 1011 00:41:46,758 --> 00:41:48,034 but I'm really glad 1012 00:41:48,034 --> 00:41:50,172 they'll be able to stay in their home. 1013 00:41:50,172 --> 00:41:51,965 As long as they contact a medium 1014 00:41:51,965 --> 00:41:54,344 to remove the dead and close the portal 1015 00:41:54,344 --> 00:41:57,758 they should go back to living a happy and peaceful life.