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Sam Dunn: So I'm here
in South America to

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meet with the members
of Iron Maiden one of

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my all-time favorite bands
and is now actually

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one of the biggest
bands on the planet.

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The thing about Iron Maiden is
their roots lie in a movement

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called the New Wave of British
Heavy Metal which was

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this explosion of bands back
in the early 80's in England,

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but what I never really
understood is what exactly was

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the New Wave of British
Heavy Metal and

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what's its contribution to the
development of Metal music?

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(Fans yelling and chanting)

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Sam: Before Iron Maiden
was filling stadiums in

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South America, back in 1980
when they released their

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first record they were
considered the leaders of the

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New Wave of British Heavy Metal
or "Nwobhm" as it's called.

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But Maiden actually got their
start in the mid 70's and

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what I've always wanted
to know is what was the

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musical climate was like
in England at that time?

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Sam: Why do you think it
took that time to get to

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that point and release
that first album?

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Steve Harris: I think it
was just purely because of

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what was happening, or not
happening in our case

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in the music business
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We were around before the
punk thing but the punk thing

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happened around '77, so punk
bands were getting their gigs

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and anything that was remotely
more mainstream rock

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wasn't even looked at
anymore, so it was really

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tough for bands at the time.
I remember going down to

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a gig in west London
and we went in there

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it was just people divin'
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spittin' over the band I just
hated everything about it,

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absolutely everything.

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Sam: Maybe punk could be
credited with at least bringing

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Steve: Nope, sorry can't
credit it with anything.

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Sam: C'mon Steve!

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Sam: No we hated it, we
absolutely hated it.

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Sam: 1977 and punk was exploding
in England and it also happened

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to be the same year as the
Queen's silver jubilee

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and to take the Pis, the Sex
Pistols famously rented a boat

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on the Thames River, but why I'm
interested in Punk is because

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there's a lot of folklore
around the animosity

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between Metal and Punk
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So what I want to understand
is what exactly was the

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relationship between
these 2 styles of music?

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Sam: What was different
about metal compared to
punk in the late 70's?

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Rat Scabies: Metal players
have a... their metal riffs.

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We were much more kind of, not
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kind of traditional based in
the way we viewed the notes we

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played, there was kind of
a great kindred that we had

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a lot of The Stooges and The
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but the similarities were
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Sam: Why were you ultimately
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the punk direction than
the metal.

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Rat: Cause' it was mine.
It was my generation

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it was what I wanted to do,
and you know we didn't play

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as good as those guys either.
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we could get something out
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Sam: Were the metal and punk
fans co-existing peacefully

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or was there an actual
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Rat: It's like two
snarling dogs in a cage you

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know they'll look at each
other and size each other up

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and then after awhile they
kind of back down and

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get used to each other
being there and well maybe

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his butt doesn't sniff
so bad after all.

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John Tucker: Mid-seventies when
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much an us or them culture.
You didn't mix, you didn't

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attempt to mix and if you did
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I've had bottles thrown at me
as I walked past clubs purely

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for the crime of wearing
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Sam: Being a rock guy yourself
how did you feel about punk?

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Dennis Stratton: I hated it.

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Yah I don't see the pleasure of
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and things like that. It
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>> Metal musicians in England
in the late 70's seemed to

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have a very different musical
philosophy than their

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punk counterparts, but given
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on the heels of punk
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metaler's shared
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So I'm meeting with Brian
Tatler, guitarist for the

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influential NWOBHM band
Diamond Head to get a deeper

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understanding about how
heavy metalers felt about punk.

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Brian Tatler: I liked punk I
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the music scene I think it got
rid of a lot of the dead wood,

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there seemed to be like
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out of control, bands
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double albums and
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You could only see these
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Wembley, they were like
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something, you didn't breath
the same air as Led Zeppelin but

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certainly you could go watch a
punk band in a club it had the

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excitement the energy, I think
it gave thousands of kids the

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idea that you could go on make
your own music, go get a

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guitar, instead of having this
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Deep Purple to live up to.
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guitar maybe like Steve
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Jess Cox: It appealed to kids
you know, kids want noise

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and they want power and they
want whatever is the in thing

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and that was the in
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Sam: Why were the media and
the labels so infatuated with
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John Tucker: They want the next
big thing because this will make

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them money so when something
happens, and the Sex Pistols

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happened big time through their
TV interview everyone thinks

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we'll have one of those not
what's happening next,

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I want one of those and I
want one of those now.

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Sam: People I talk to often
talk about how the punk

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explosion was fairly
short-lived. Is that Fair?

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Rat: Punk kind of died as
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Every little (beep) went out and
bought a leather jacket and cut

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their hair and put safety pins
through their cheeks I think

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they got very focused
on how to be successful.

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This is how they do it
you know with pop acts,

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this is how it works in
the mainstream we just

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have to apply the same
rules to our band.

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Mark Gregory: These former,
Anarchists if you'd like,

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had become big label
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Out of punk you kind of got the
indie jangly guitar and stick it

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with something new and romantic
as well. So there was a

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real kind of end point there and
it's alright what's coming next

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or what can we do next that's
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>> By the end of the 70's
punk in England had gone

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mainstream and it was no longer
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movement, so now that punks
authenticity was waning how

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would the New Wave of British
Heavy Metal get its start?

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>> One of the biggest legends
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New Wave of British Heavy Metal
is that it's origins can be

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traced to a London venue
called the bandwagon where

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DJ and hard rock enthusiast
Neal Kay apparently

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kick started the
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Sam: What was the state
of music at that point?

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I'm thinking '78, '79.

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Neal Kay: It was punk or
nothing at the time and these

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rock bands, some of them only
kids they had nowhere to go,

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no one to move the product
higher, no one to press it,

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print it, release it and
get it there

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and it began to get
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I had always dreamed of a place
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clubs and going to live gigs
and things there should be rock

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available to the people and you
could turn everything around

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180 degrees and throw everyone
out that wore a tie and shirt

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and demand that jeans only
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I had this massive sound system
there, it wasn't a disco tech

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club system it was a band P.A.
and it could blow windows out.

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What I kind of realized in
the end is that I've grown

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a whole culture of rock
and roll loonies.

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Neal: I kept phoning up Sounds
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paper at the time, in the end
Geoff Barton took notice and I

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said to him if you come up you
will not be disappointed I will

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show you something you
have never seen before.

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Geoff Barton: The concept of a
rock club, full of long haired

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wanks you know getting there
rocks off to the likes of

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Ted Nugent was pretty much
inconceivable circa 1978, 1979.

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Neal: When we saw the results
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he put a center page double
spread about us in Sounds and

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Geoff came to me one day and
said 'Would you be interested

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in doing a heavy metal chart
for the paper every week?'

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John Tucker: He wasn't just
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but he would actually take a
chance and throw all this new

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stuff into the mix like Praying
Mantis, like Iron Maiden.

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Steve Harris: We made a
tape and we took it down to the

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sound house to try and get a
gig not for any other reason

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really we just wanted to
get a gig there cause' we

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knew it was a good place
with cool fans, rock fans.

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Neal: Steve said to me
something like do us a favor
mate,

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take it home give it a listen
if you like it give us a ring

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Sam: ... and when you listen
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Neal: We went mad, went
absolutely bezerk.

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Steve: He started playing
the tracks off the tape in his

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chart, and all of a sudden our
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you know getting crowned as
number 1 and all this stuff.

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Me and Paul went down there one
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when they played one of
our tracks, of course we

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weren't known yet we just
happened to stand at

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the bar and watch what was
going on and the whole

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place just went crazy when
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Neal: The Maiden tape was
awe-inspiring I don't know how

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else to put it. It was a band
waiting to smack the world.

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Of course convincing the labels
that was a different story.

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Brian Tatler: It was always
you'd aim for a record deal,

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a big record deal. You heard
of your EMI's and CBS's

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but indie labels came
out around the time of

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punk rock it had never
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It gave you an idea that you
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and you might be able to
get a distributor and

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sell it yourself or sell it
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Rod Smallwood: The Soundhouse
tapes I thought well put it out,

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cause' punk bands are
putting out their records.

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Steve actually did all the
writing, logo's and everything

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and then I called it
Rock Hard records

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and it was a direct
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Stiff Records was; if it ain't
stiff it ain't worth a (beep).

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Ours was if it ain't rock
hard it ain't worth a....

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so yah we took stuff from punk.

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Sam: Punk seemed to establish
this DIY attitude, do you think

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you were inspired by
how the punk movement...

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Steve: We were inspired by
nothing in anything to do with

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punk we didn't want anything
to do with it at all.

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Sam: In terms of the
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to what extent were they
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Kim McAuliffe: When you listen
to a lot of punk stuff it's

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quite weak really where as heavy
metal has got a lot more power.

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They took this sort of
punk thing and turned
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Youngsters coming up
around that time would

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have thought I liked rock I like
metal but I can take the speed

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because punk bands everything
was quadrupled in speed.

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Biff Byford: We loved things
like Sex Pistols we really liked

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that first album it did
definitely influence us we just

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took all the naft things
and threw them away and

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kept the good bits, the punk,
the prog rock, the Sabbath

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it all mixed together into a
melting pot and out popped

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the New Wave of
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prog rock and classic metal, the
New Wave of British Heavy Metal

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introduced a whole
new sound to rock music

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and the movement was starting
to build in London.

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But how did this movement
become known as this thing

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called the New Wave of
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Neal Kay: I was invited by the
manager of the music machine,

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how would you like to put on
your own 3 band show during

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the week and I thought yah what
a shot it's going to enable

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me to present to the industry
in London new bands.

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John: Geoff Barton from the
Sounds was sent along to

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review 3 bands; Iron Maiden,
Angel Witch and Samson and a

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big double page spread about the
bands and Lewis the editor at

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the time added a subtitle; the
New Wave of British Heavy Metal

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and that was it it
was that simple.

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Sam: Do you remember
when you heard the term

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New Wave of British Heavy
Metal? What you thought of it?

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Rat: Here we go you know,

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more (beep) fluffy (beep)
with spandex and les pauls.

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Brian: Suddenly there was lots
of bands all over the UK,

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nobody was aware of each other
before Sounds kind of tied it

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all together we did a little
4-track cassette and sent it

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off to Sounds and it appeared in
Geoff Barton's play list that

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was such a result you know that
you could do that send it off

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and there it was Geoff Barton
liked it, awesome. (laughs)

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Dennis: If you looked at
the marquee in 79' and 80'

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the punk bands had disappeared
and there was the list of heavy

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metal, heavy rock bands from
Gary Moore right through to

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Tigers right the
way through to Raven.

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Bif: People were fed up with
just having the punk thing, not

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everybody wanted quiffed back
hair and looked like a pirate

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John: This was the logical
next step to the bands like

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Deep Purple, all of us at one
stage were thinking what

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would happen next and
now we had the answer.

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>> By the end of the 70's the
New Wave of British Heavy Metal

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was established as a vibrant
underground movement

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and was spreading to local
scenes across England,

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but the movement still had not
got the attention of major

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labels and this all changed
in 1980 when Iron Maiden

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released their seminole
debut record; Iron Maiden.

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Sam: Why do you think EMI wanted
to sign the band? Did they see

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something in this band or were
you pushing this band on...

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Rod Smallwood: They
saw one thing

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and that's packed
venues going nuts.

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Steve Harris: They came
down to the Soundhouse and

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saw it was jam packed,
they couldn't get in

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in fact they were
stuck at the back.

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You couldn't see properly or
anything like that and I think

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we were like like the music or
not or bloody hell what's going

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on here we better sign them
before someone else does.

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Ashley Goodall: It was full of
people wearing red t-shirts with

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Iron Maiden on them and just
to the right of the stage

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Ozzy Osbourne was there
I remember seeing him.

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He looked at the time a little
bit kind of worse for wear

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but kind of interested in
it, obviously looking

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and thinking hmm new
generation here.

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Sam: What do you think you guys
were doing that was different in

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those early years compared to
the previous generation of metal

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like the Sabbath's and the
Zeppelins and the Purples?

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Steve: I suppose there was an
aggression in the music playing

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a little faster maybe but we
weren't playing any of the cool

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things like the twin guitars and
melody and prog type of stuff as

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well time changes and stuff but
with a more aggressive attitude.

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John: It was so refreshing
it was so new this was what I

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wanted this is what I and so
many people have been waiting

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for through those sort of punk
years, this is what the likes of

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Judas Priest, um AC/DC had
been prepping us for and

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then it came bang and it
was such a great album.

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Sam: Another element that
is key on that first
record was of course

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that image of Eddie. Why did
that image become so important?

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Rod: It was very clear with
the band we weren't gonna get

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a photograph of them looking
real scary you know,

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all looking real cool,
Maiden's not a cool band,

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it's not scary but
it's about music.

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You needed something and the way
Roger Dean did Yes not with

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a single character but
there were looks and

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I was more into getting
a single character.

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Dennis: Eddie the Head was a
skull on a plank of wood with a

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mouth that use to come smoke
out and I'll never forgot Rob

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wanted to call it John or
something like that or Jim Bob

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something like that and we
just sat there and we said

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his name is Eddie,
he went "why?"

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cause' it's a head, he's
a head so its Eddie.

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Steve: The fans were going
through record shops and

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flicking through the album rack
and whatever and he would

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pull out oh bloody hell what's
that and it would be Eddie

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on the front and he would turn
it over and see the live thing,

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a lot of them say they bought
the album not even knowing

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what it was about
because of the cover so

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you know it definitely
made an impact.

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Sam: It looked kinda punky
though, a little spiky hair.

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Steve: Ohh don't
start. (laughs)

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Mark Gregory: I think it was
really the first big record

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you know top ten album of
this whole new sound,

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I guess it would be like the
first massive Sabbath Album

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or the first big Zeppelin album,
a bit of a sigh of relief

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for fans oh actually
this is gonna work.

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Sam: Reading in 1980 you guys
also played and that seemed

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to be a pretty
important step forward.

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Steve: Obviously a fantastic big
festival being here in '73 to

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see Genesis and those bands and
stuff so you know to actually

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play there was amazing and the
reaction we got was incredible.

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Rod: It was a fantastic show
for us and I think that

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took us to another level
plus you're playing

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to 30,000 people in one go.

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Sam: What do you think is the
significance of the exposure at

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Reading is for the
Nwobhm movement?

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John: There was a whole raft
of people who were there for

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Whitesnake, who were there for
UFO and they can experience

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these new bands these bands
who probably bought tickets

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for the other things and so
okay this is pretty good,

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yah this tugs of pantainment
done really well.

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Iron Maiden obviously went
down extremely well,

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Def Leppard didn't get in
particularly well

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but that's because of the
allegations of sell-out

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Jess: There was a big piece in
the newspaper was about them

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selling out and they came on and
the reception was horrific,

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bottles of pee you know in 2
litre bottles were being thrown

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up hitting the stage
exploding over the band,

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guys are grabbin paper
and really really bad.

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>> Def Leppards poor reception
at Reading is one of the

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most notorious moments in the
history of heavy metal and

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the membership in the Nwobhm
movement has long sparked debate

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among metal fans, so I'm meeting
with Def Leppard singer

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Joe Elliot to get his take
on what exactly happened

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at Reading and how it
impacted their early career.

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Sam: So how did it feel
to have that backlash

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I mean most famously at
Reading you guys weren't

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received very well I mean
was that tied into this...

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Joe Elliot: I disagree
with that actually,

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I absolutely disagree with
that reading thing, people go

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on and on and on about we didn't
go down well at Reading,

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no the reviews said we
didn't go down well at Reading.

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The kids throw stuff when
they're drunk, they pee in the

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bottles, screw the tops back on
if you're lucky and then they

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launch them at the stage cause'
it's something fun to do,

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we got that that but so
did everybody else cause'

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I watched all the other
bands getting it to.

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One guy writes it and
everybody says it gospel

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but I'm telling you
now it's (beep).

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I think it all came about
because we had a song called

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Hello America and they thought
we were that conniving

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it's like we weren't even
that clever, you know that

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was just a vision of a
kid sitting in a factory

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staring at 4 blank
walls with no windows.

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I think I wrote the lyrics
to Hello America in 1977

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I didn't even have a passport.

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* Music *

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Sam: Do you remember the first
time you heard that term

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New Wave of British Heavy Metal
and what you thought of it?

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Joe: The only thing I remember
is desperately trying not

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to be a part of it. Hard rock
covers a multitude of bands

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from Van Halen to the Kinks, New
Wave of British Heavy Metal

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through start ties you into
being British and in the

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mainstream press heavy metal
bands was just thought of

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as stupid and I didn't want
us to be a part of that.

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I want us to be mentioned in
the same breath as Zeppelin, the

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Who, the Kinks, the Stones, the
Beatles, Pink Floyd, these were

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all the kind of bands we had
seen the global success that

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they've achieved and
that's what we were after.

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* Music *

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>> By the early 80's, Def
Leppard had disassociated

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themselves from Nwobhm and
embarked on their quest

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for success in America, so now
that Leppard were no longer

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part of the movement what
would be the next step in the

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evolution of the New Wave
of British Heavy Metal.

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* Music *

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* Music *

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>> With the release of Iron
Maiden's Number of the Beast

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in 1982 the New Wave of British
Heavy Metal started to

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crack the mainstream and it
was Maiden's new lead singer

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Bruce Dickinson that
helped propel the movement
to mass popularity.

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So I'm meeting with Bruce to
ask him why he joined Maiden

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and what his vocal approach
added to the sound of the band.

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Sam: In 1981 you played Reading
with Samson, my understanding is

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that Steve and Rod saw
you perform at that show.

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Bruce Dickinson: Well they
went there specifically to
see me perform

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Sam: Why do you think that
was a significant moment

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Bruce: It's when I got the job,
I mean I mean yes I had to wait

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3 months until they fired Paul
and in the meantime I did some

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singing and they had to go
through a difficult time they

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had been unfaithful and had been
waiting for their infidelity you

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know they were waiting so they
could have their moment and it's

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terrible thing to say
you know but it's true.

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Dennis: I think Paul's voice
sounds good with the first album

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he struggled with
the second album but if

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the band was gonna
break it in America they're

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gonna need a singer that
is going to compete with

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Ronnie James Dio, Robert
Plant, David Lee Roth,

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all of the guys with high
range vocal, if you listen

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to any heavy rock any
heavy metal band,

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David Coverdale any vocalist
they need to get up there.

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Bruce Dickinson: Paul had a very
guttural voice and he had a

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style and charm which was
unique, how far it could go

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was questionable I think Steve
was questioning that you know

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he wanted a voice that could do
a lot with a bigger range.

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Steve: Bruce's vocal range was
way different than Paul's and

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so we were able to throw
anything at him really and we
did.

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* Music *

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Sam: Is there a key
moment when this

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New Wave of British Heavy
Metal has reached a peak?

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Brian Tatler: I suppose maybe
the peak might have been Iron

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Maidens releasing 'Number of
the Beast' and it becoming the

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number 1 album and then
appearing on things like Top of

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the Pops you know it's kind of
mainstream and getting played

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on radio one and most
of the other bands can
only aspire to that.

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Gary Holt: There are some bands
that you could hear a thousand

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of the greatest bands in the
world and it will never be

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magical to you, first time I
heard Iron Maiden you know

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it's like hearing music for
the first time you know

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you had never heard anything
like it didn't exist.

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Scott Ian: Steve Harris's right
hand that is the essence of

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heavy metal to me, I'm not even
joking Steve Harris is metal.

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When I see Steve Harris
it just...

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ahh just makes me (beep)
wanna kill people.

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Mark Gregory: They became the
classic heavy metal band

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but for the new generation
but you could always measure

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the bands success by the
size of their light show.

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* Music *

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>> Number of the Beast sold
over 14 million copies

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worldwide, solidifying Iron
Maiden as the undisputed front

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runners of the New Wave of
British Heavy Metal and one of

458
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:06,776
the biggest metal bands on the
planet, and in the wake of

459
00:30:06,843 --> 00:30:09,976
Maidens success an army
of Nwobhm fans from

460
00:30:10,043 --> 00:30:13,276
across England and
Europe began to emerge.

461
00:30:13,343 --> 00:30:15,876
Sam: One thing that
characterizes Nwobhm that hadn't

462
00:30:15,943 --> 00:30:18,943
really happened before was the
attitude of the fans at least

463
00:30:19,010 --> 00:30:23,943
identifying as being ok
now we are a metal tribe.

464
00:30:24,010 --> 00:30:25,843
Biff Byford: I think that was
one of the big differences

465
00:30:25,910 --> 00:30:30,343
between our style of music and
the punk side, you know I think

466
00:30:30,410 --> 00:30:33,543
you are locked onto a band
or maybe 2 or 3 bands

467
00:30:33,610 --> 00:30:36,810
and that was your band, you
know that's who you followed

468
00:30:36,876 --> 00:30:39,610
and you wore their
colors on your back.

469
00:30:39,676 --> 00:30:41,810
John Gallagher: You're denim
jackets or your vests and all

470
00:30:41,876 --> 00:30:44,843
your favorite bands were
embroidered on the back and your

471
00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:47,543
mother wouldn't do it so
you had to learn to sew.

472
00:30:47,610 --> 00:30:51,276
All the heavy metal fans were
great with a needle and thread.

473
00:30:52,743 --> 00:30:54,843
Jess Cox: We weren't in big
silvery camps playing drums

474
00:30:54,910 --> 00:30:58,343
out of a giant clam we were
just there that was it

475
00:30:58,410 --> 00:31:02,576
in denim and leather,
or spandex sadly.

476
00:31:02,643 --> 00:31:05,510
Probably for the first time ever
we could punch our fists in

477
00:31:05,576 --> 00:31:08,676
the air and shout about it
and be proud to be wearing

478
00:31:08,743 --> 00:31:12,210
denim and leather and
celebrating heavy metal.

479
00:31:12,276 --> 00:31:14,343
Heavy metal was almost
becoming fashionable.

480
00:31:14,410 --> 00:31:36,176
* Music *

481
00:31:36,243 --> 00:31:37,776
>> With the New Wave of
British Heavy Metal fan base

482
00:31:37,843 --> 00:31:41,610
firmly established, many of
Britain's old guard of hard rock

483
00:31:41,676 --> 00:31:44,510
were inspired by the movement
creating some of the

484
00:31:44,576 --> 00:31:47,610
most memorable music
of their careers.

485
00:31:47,676 --> 00:31:50,643
So why did these older bands
catch a spark from Nwobhm?

486
00:31:52,176 --> 00:31:53,610
Rob Halford: It fires you up,
it gets you into like a fighting

487
00:31:53,676 --> 00:31:56,710
spirit when you play hard and
stronger, you feel satisfied

488
00:31:56,776 --> 00:32:00,776
maybe a sense of relief it's not
just us you know this is great,

489
00:32:00,843 --> 00:32:03,876
this band, there's Maiden
there's Motorhead,

490
00:32:03,943 --> 00:32:06,310
you're able to check each
other out being inspired and

491
00:32:06,376 --> 00:32:10,410
to some extent influenced
by about where we were all going

492
00:32:10,476 --> 00:32:13,743
together as bands within
the heavy metal scene.

493
00:32:13,810 --> 00:32:17,476
Sam: Do you think these
older bands were getting
a bit of inspiration?

494
00:32:17,543 --> 00:32:21,476
Brian Tatler: From the newer
bands? Possibly. Yah possibly.

495
00:32:21,543 --> 00:32:24,810
We were inspired by Judas
Priest, but like you say

496
00:32:24,876 --> 00:32:27,843
maybe they listened to the newer
bands as well and thought

497
00:32:27,910 --> 00:32:31,743
well we'll have some of that,
cause' it's fast kids like it.

498
00:32:31,810 --> 00:32:34,810
There was a tour with Judas
Priest and Iron Maiden
supporting.

499
00:32:34,876 --> 00:32:37,410
That was a big british tour
that was. So there might have

500
00:32:37,476 --> 00:32:42,576
been a bit of checking out each
other, seeing what's happening.

501
00:32:42,643 --> 00:32:45,710
Jess Cox: The bands we were
supposed to wipe away, your

502
00:32:45,776 --> 00:32:49,676
Priests and your UFO's and
whoever else, actually became

503
00:32:49,743 --> 00:32:53,210
bigger because of
those than ever before.

504
00:32:53,276 --> 00:32:55,843
I remember Gary Moore turned
up to one of our gigs at the

505
00:32:55,910 --> 00:32:58,110
Marquee and got up to play
on stage with us because

506
00:32:58,143 --> 00:33:00,910
he wanted to be seen by
whoever was coming up.

507
00:33:00,976 --> 00:33:03,543
John Tucker: In the early 80's,
some of those bands,

508
00:33:03,610 --> 00:33:05,310
established bands came
back with some of their

509
00:33:05,376 --> 00:33:07,376
greatest ever albums
since their debuts.

510
00:33:07,443 --> 00:33:09,343
White Snakes 'Ready
and Willing', AC/DC's

511
00:33:09,410 --> 00:33:11,843
'Back in Black', Heaven and
Hell came out at that time,

512
00:33:11,910 --> 00:33:15,310
Judas Priest all these bands all
of a sudden are getting more

513
00:33:15,376 --> 00:33:18,510
fans because there are things
happening in the urban,

514
00:33:18,576 --> 00:33:20,410
that are bringing
record buyers in,

515
00:33:20,476 --> 00:33:22,676
and I think at the same time
they are raising their game.

516
00:33:22,743 --> 00:33:25,210
Rob Halford: I think it's
fair to say that the New Wave of

517
00:33:25,276 --> 00:33:28,576
British Heavy Metal including
Priest, which is part of the old

518
00:33:28,643 --> 00:33:34,243
wave, we all came together
and that was just like the

519
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:37,910
dynamite going off. Bang,
we're here, let's go,

520
00:33:37,976 --> 00:33:40,310
we're gonna grow and
this is now gonna be

521
00:33:40,376 --> 00:33:43,210
a worldwide event and it was.

522
00:33:43,276 --> 00:34:03,743
* Music *

523
00:34:03,810 --> 00:34:05,543
>> With the legends of British
hard rock now joining

524
00:34:05,610 --> 00:34:08,310
forces with the New Wave
of British Heavy Metal,

525
00:34:08,376 --> 00:34:10,943
the movement had
reached its summit.

526
00:34:11,010 --> 00:34:13,643
But as the 80's progressed
Nwobhm would face a new

527
00:34:13,710 --> 00:34:17,576
competitor for leadership
of the heavy metal genre.

528
00:34:17,643 --> 00:34:20,643
So how would Nwobhm
adapt as the 80's wore on?

529
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:26,476
* Music *

530
00:34:26,543 --> 00:34:44,143
* Music *

531
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:46,510
>> With the launch of
MTV in the early 80's,

532
00:34:46,576 --> 00:34:48,610
audiences around the world
were introduced to a

533
00:34:48,676 --> 00:34:52,410
whole new style of heavy
metal, glam metal.

534
00:34:52,476 --> 00:34:55,743
Emerging from L.A.'s sunset
strip, glam metal caused a

535
00:34:55,810 --> 00:34:58,843
major shift in the look
and style of metal.

536
00:34:58,910 --> 00:35:01,243
I've always wanted to know
how the Nwobhm bands

537
00:35:01,310 --> 00:35:04,110
were affected by the
glam metal explosion.

538
00:35:04,176 --> 00:35:06,310
John Tucker: This is new it's
exciting in the same ways

539
00:35:06,376 --> 00:35:09,343
Nwobhm was new and exciting
2 or 3 years back.

540
00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:12,110
They're talking about places
that are weird and wonderful

541
00:35:12,143 --> 00:35:15,510
it's a sunshine environment.
This is different,

542
00:35:15,576 --> 00:35:17,776
this is very different than
industrial British music.

543
00:35:17,843 --> 00:35:19,843
Biff Byford: Things were really
fickle here, things change

544
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:22,376
really quickly. It's
only a small country.

545
00:35:22,443 --> 00:35:26,910
When the invasion came from
America, I think Van Halen

546
00:35:26,976 --> 00:35:29,343
started it though, Van Halen
were massive long before

547
00:35:29,410 --> 00:35:33,010
Motley Crue, Poison or Ratt
were, people were prepared

548
00:35:33,110 --> 00:35:35,510
for it supposedly let
it in quite easily.

549
00:35:35,576 --> 00:35:37,210
Jess Cox: When these American
acts came over and MTV

550
00:35:37,276 --> 00:35:39,510
came a pair of jeans and
a leather jacket just

551
00:35:39,576 --> 00:35:41,943
wasn't what they
wanted you know.

552
00:35:42,010 --> 00:35:44,576
They wanted the guys with
the big fluffy hair,

553
00:35:44,643 --> 00:35:47,510
spandex pants and the Motely
Crues of the world and

554
00:35:47,576 --> 00:35:50,410
the Poisons and whatever
else fit right in there.

555
00:35:50,476 --> 00:35:53,410
Rod Smallwood: They became not
about music, it became about

556
00:35:53,476 --> 00:35:56,743
getting your tits out on TV,
we didn't do the love songs

557
00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:58,610
or ballads, and we sure
as hell weren't gonna

558
00:35:58,676 --> 00:36:00,643
prance around with a bunch
of semi-clothed tarts.

559
00:36:00,710 --> 00:36:16,443
* Music *

560
00:36:16,510 --> 00:36:18,676
Sam: Did you feel a sense of
pressure to fit into that

561
00:36:18,743 --> 00:36:21,843
mold and that American
look and American sound...

562
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:25,176
John Gallagher: I mean it was
like put make-up on, why?

563
00:36:25,243 --> 00:36:32,476
Makes your eyes look bigger
from a distance, (makes noises)

564
00:36:32,543 --> 00:36:35,176
and it wasn't just us,
it was everyone.

565
00:36:35,243 --> 00:36:38,543
You look at pictures of Ozzy
he looks like Shelly Winters.

566
00:36:39,810 --> 00:36:41,110
John: A lot of bands did
try to sound American,

567
00:36:41,176 --> 00:36:43,710
a lot of the later bands on
Meat records for example,

568
00:36:43,776 --> 00:36:47,176
would try a key board driven
sound, the harmony's,

569
00:36:47,243 --> 00:36:50,143
the softer more radio
friendly approach.

570
00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:52,743
Jess: The first words out of the
producers mouth when I walked in

571
00:36:52,810 --> 00:36:58,243
to do the wildcat album was to
do harmony's, I'm like what?

572
00:36:58,310 --> 00:37:03,176
Harmony's? We're and English
metal band we don't do
harmony's.

573
00:37:03,243 --> 00:37:05,543
John: For a band that had been
over here all this time,

574
00:37:05,610 --> 00:37:09,476
to try and rustle up some
harmony's and go for

575
00:37:09,543 --> 00:37:12,310
a glossier production
was quite alien.

576
00:37:12,376 --> 00:37:14,576
I think Leppard did it cause'
they were over there and they

577
00:37:14,643 --> 00:37:18,210
were absorbing the influences
and absorbing the sound.

578
00:37:19,676 --> 00:37:28,510
* Music *

579
00:37:28,576 --> 00:37:31,476
>> One british band who
flourished in the MTV world was

580
00:37:31,543 --> 00:37:35,576
Def Leppard. Their 1983 album
'Pyromania" hit number 2

581
00:37:35,643 --> 00:37:39,343
on billboard and went ten
times platinum in the US.

582
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:43,110
So I've come to California to
meet with Def Leppard guitarist,

583
00:37:43,110 --> 00:37:45,476
Phil Collen, to get
his insight into why

584
00:37:45,543 --> 00:37:48,143
Leppard were able
to crack America.

585
00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:50,010
Phil Collen: You have to
charge it up normally,

586
00:37:50,110 --> 00:37:52,443
it might have a
mild glow to it.

587
00:37:52,510 --> 00:37:54,643
Sam: Awesome. Would you
play like a trademark

588
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:58,010
Leppard riff for us,
something off Pyromania?

589
00:37:58,110 --> 00:37:59,243
Something a little old school.

590
00:37:59,310 --> 00:38:03,343
(Phil plays guitar)

591
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:30,476
* Music *

592
00:38:30,543 --> 00:38:32,576
Sam: Was it that melody
in Leppards music

593
00:38:32,643 --> 00:38:35,243
that you think basically set
you apart from Nwobhm

594
00:38:35,310 --> 00:38:36,743
or were
there other things to it?

595
00:38:36,810 --> 00:38:39,210
Phil: Well I think takin' a
shower was a lot different.

596
00:38:39,276 --> 00:38:40,676
The guys in Def
Leppard took showers,

597
00:38:40,743 --> 00:38:42,276
it was cleaner, it
was clean cut.

598
00:38:42,343 --> 00:38:45,710
Most of the guys that were all
leather jackets and greasy hair

599
00:38:45,776 --> 00:38:48,610
it was all waaa, very working
class although Def Leppard

600
00:38:48,676 --> 00:38:50,710
was that as well but it
was more song orientated

601
00:38:50,776 --> 00:38:52,476
and melodies and
stuff like that.

602
00:38:52,543 --> 00:38:55,310
I don't think Def Leppard got a
fair shot in the earlier days,

603
00:38:55,376 --> 00:38:58,443
everyone says you guys are lame
and all this stuff, it wasn't

604
00:38:58,510 --> 00:39:00,543
they were just trying to do
things a little bit different.

605
00:39:00,610 --> 00:39:12,676
* Music *

606
00:39:12,743 --> 00:39:14,510
Sam: I remember Pyromania I
played it so many times on

607
00:39:14,576 --> 00:39:17,110
the cassette I couldn't read
the song titles anymore

608
00:39:17,176 --> 00:39:19,243
you know cause' you'd
worn it down so heavily.

609
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:23,243
Why was that record such a
success thinking musically?

610
00:39:23,343 --> 00:39:29,210
Phil: It was AC/DC meets Queen.

611
00:39:30,743 --> 00:39:33,776
You know cause' a lot of the
time people stay in one camp,

612
00:39:33,843 --> 00:39:36,676
they go I wanna be like
AC/DC, I wanna be like Queen.

613
00:39:36,743 --> 00:39:38,476
The whole thing was
make a rock version

614
00:39:38,543 --> 00:39:40,110
of Thriller where
it crosses over.

615
00:39:41,610 --> 00:39:43,510
Joe Elliot: It was so
brilliantly produced that day

616
00:39:43,576 --> 00:39:46,676
time pop radio would play it,
even though it was "hard rock".

617
00:39:46,743 --> 00:39:48,743
It didn't offend, if it was
gonna offend anybody it would

618
00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:52,543
have been offending those
in the hard rock fraternity.

619
00:39:52,610 --> 00:39:54,576
John: I talked to people who
were in bands down in London,

620
00:39:54,643 --> 00:39:57,310
and "ohh we heard the demos
for Pyromania it sucks,

621
00:39:57,376 --> 00:39:59,243
it horrible it's
all the producer".

622
00:40:01,643 --> 00:40:04,043
Hey, I'm sure there crying
all the way to the bank.

623
00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:06,310
Sam: Going full circle to
the whole Nwobhm thing,

624
00:40:06,376 --> 00:40:08,643
you'd fully transcended
that by this point.

625
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:11,210
Joe: We had left it far
behind us and that at that

626
00:40:11,276 --> 00:40:14,376
time was great because we
were a standalone band,

627
00:40:14,443 --> 00:40:17,310
we were just this British
invasion part 2.

628
00:40:17,376 --> 00:40:20,076
There really hadn't been a band
from England to break America

629
00:40:20,143 --> 00:40:23,076
since those heavy days of the
Stones, and the Beatles,

630
00:40:23,143 --> 00:40:25,710
and the Who and Zeppelin that
had really beat any

631
00:40:25,776 --> 00:40:28,710
rock bands sell records in
America.

632
00:40:28,776 --> 00:40:30,676
Not to the amount that
we were selling.

633
00:40:30,743 --> 00:40:40,543
* Music *

634
00:40:40,610 --> 00:40:42,476
>> While Def Leppard was
conquering America and

635
00:40:42,543 --> 00:40:46,076
Iron Maiden was touring the
world, most Nwobhm bands

636
00:40:46,143 --> 00:40:48,676
didn't survive the Glam
metal invasion and by

637
00:40:48,743 --> 00:40:52,343
the mid 80's the movement
went into sharp decline.

638
00:40:53,976 --> 00:40:55,576
But then something happened,
a band emerged from America

639
00:40:55,643 --> 00:40:58,010
that would continue
the legacy of Nwobhm.

640
00:40:58,076 --> 00:41:00,176
That band was Metallica.

641
00:41:00,243 --> 00:41:11,543
* Music *

642
00:41:11,610 --> 00:41:13,443
Lars Ulrich: Metallica
started out as a cover band,

643
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:15,110
and some of the bands
we were covering obviously

644
00:41:15,176 --> 00:41:19,343
became significant influences.
We didn't tell people they were

645
00:41:19,410 --> 00:41:23,143
our songs, but we didn't tell
people they weren't our songs.

646
00:41:23,210 --> 00:41:26,443
Here's a song called 'Am
I evil', we left out the

647
00:41:26,510 --> 00:41:32,110
"by the band Diamond Head"
that somehow got edited out

648
00:41:32,110 --> 00:41:34,643
and then we played
'Am I Evil' and then

649
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:36,643
everyone was having fun
and it was all good.

650
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:52,976
* Music *

651
00:41:53,110 --> 00:41:55,510
Lars: As we started writing
our (beep) was kind of derived

652
00:41:55,576 --> 00:42:00,376
out of those songs, it was
Diamond Head, Motor Head,

653
00:42:00,443 --> 00:42:04,343
it was certainly some Maiden,
some Judas Priest you know

654
00:42:04,410 --> 00:42:07,310
certainly that was the stuff
that sort of fueled us.

655
00:42:07,376 --> 00:42:24,543
* Music *

656
00:42:24,610 --> 00:42:28,710
Sam: This next generation
of young thrash musicians,

657
00:42:28,776 --> 00:42:31,510
why were they inspired by
what you guys were doing?

658
00:42:31,576 --> 00:42:34,676
Brian Tatler: I can only think
the speed, Lars came to see

659
00:42:34,743 --> 00:42:37,176
Diamond Head it was what he
wanted Metallica to be, we want

660
00:42:37,243 --> 00:42:42,110
to be as fast as Diamond Head,
write these long songs and be

661
00:42:42,110 --> 00:42:47,143
exciting good musicians, but
not just you know do the

662
00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:51,143
doomy stuff that Sabbath
has already conquered

663
00:42:51,276 --> 00:42:54,676
that's their territory already,
so theres a new territory here

664
00:42:54,743 --> 00:42:58,010
where everythings a lot faster
and a lot more exciting.

665
00:42:58,110 --> 00:43:01,743
John Tucker: This is the point
where you go from small bands

666
00:43:01,810 --> 00:43:05,310
doing their own thing, if you
get signed your Maidens,

667
00:43:05,376 --> 00:43:08,110
your Leppards, and then from
then on you hit America

668
00:43:08,110 --> 00:43:11,610
you hit Metallica and bang
from that moment on you got

669
00:43:11,676 --> 00:43:15,110
thrash metal, black metal, doom
metal it all happens and that's

670
00:43:15,176 --> 00:43:18,243
why I think it's a critical
point in musical history.

671
00:43:18,976 --> 00:43:46,510
*