1 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,760 I know maybe a dozen reporters, guys you know, too, 2 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,433 who tell me they've been pitching you this story 3 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,318 for almost a year with no luck. 4 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,313 Yeah, I'm not crazy about being interviewed in print. 5 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,076 Print journalists play it fast and loose with exclamation points. 6 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,115 "I love the news" becomes "I love the news!" 7 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,919 Suddenly I'm deranged. 8 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,952 - So why now? - Huh? 9 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,315 Why are you agreeing to this piece now? 10 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,835 - You don't happen to have a cigarette? - No. 11 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,555 - Why now? - Ah! Right here. 12 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:13,909 Why do you want this now? 13 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,038 I want some sort of document about what we've been trying to do here. 14 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,675 Like the king at the end of Camelot 15 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,798 telling the boy to run behind the lines from village to village 16 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,155 telling people about, you know... 17 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,640 - Camelot. - Yeah. 18 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,313 I'm asking why you reached out to me. 19 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,114 Because, your recent complications notwithstanding, 20 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,759 you cover the media better than anyone out there. 21 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:33,870 You haven't lost your touch 22 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,236 for complimenting and insulting someone at the same time. 23 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,757 Thank you. I appreciate it. But it wasn't meant as an insult, Brian. 24 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,320 Your life's been in news magazines, 25 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,232 - and news magazines aren't... - I know. 26 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:44,720 ...as many pages long as they used to be. 27 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,234 What kind of access are we talking about? 28 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,755 Here's what I'll offer. You spend a few days here, 29 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,957 talk to whoever you want, but it's all off the record. 30 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,350 - Not even background. - What good does that do me? 31 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,636 If I like how it feels, then we go ahead. 32 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,680 But I still get to tell you what can retroactively go on the record from the tryout period. 33 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,480 - You're asking me to audition? - Yeah. 34 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:03,920 Why would I do that? 35 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,275 I can think of some reasons. 36 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,199 Four years ago, you were on the masthead at Newsweek, 37 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,112 turning out 10 cover stories a year 38 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,038 and spending Sunday mornings on TV. 39 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,600 Today you have a blog. 40 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,637 Your fucking disdain for the Internet... 41 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,116 Is matched only by your fucking disdain for the Internet. 42 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,709 You took a buyout when Newsweek was sold to IAC 43 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,271 and rolled the money into a start-up, thinking you'd be the next Huffington Post. 44 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:25,350 How'd it work out? 45 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:26,669 We filed for bankruptcy. 46 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:31,118 The Sunday Times Magazine, Vanity Fair, GQ, The New Republic, The Atlantic, 47 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,039 everybody's offered the cover and I get to pick the writer. 48 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,874 I'm going with New York Magazine and you. 49 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,316 So, you okay with the audition? 50 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,312 Are you prepared to talk about your Republicanism? 51 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:42,710 You say that like I've got polio. 52 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,154 Are you prepared to talk about having polio? 53 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,553 I grew up in a town outside a town outside Lincoln, Nebraska. 54 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:49,756 My hometown was a road. 55 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,560 I was a college freshman before I met a Democrat. 56 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:53,676 What about our history? 57 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:01,557 Brian, your problem with me back in the day was that I was a moderate, sane Republican 58 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,678 who refused to take a position on anything for fear I would lose viewers. 59 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,957 Just as moderate, sane Republicans on the Hill 60 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,760 refuse to take a position for fear they'll lose primary voters. 61 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,958 I had a nightly rundown that went out of its way to avoid reporting the news. 62 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,796 And then MacKenzie McHale came along and I'm attacking my own party 63 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,678 for not standing up to its attackers. 64 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,355 Isn't that what you wanted me to do when you were calling me a coward? 65 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,671 Yeah, but that's not the history I'm talking about 66 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,269 and you already knew that, so please stop fucking around with me. 67 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,591 One parenthetical sentence in the second graph. 68 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,195 "Full disclosure. I've been a friend of MacKenzie McHale's 69 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:37,237 - "since the late '90s." - And you? 70 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:42,236 An email went to 178,000 people and was reported on our own morning show. 71 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,710 That's all you know and that's all you'll report. 72 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,271 That's fine with me. But that's the last time you'll tell me what I will or won't report. 73 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,558 - I'm not your stenographer. - Do we have a deal? 74 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:56,034 Yeah, now why do you need someone to run from village to village? 75 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,270 Is something about to happen to Camelot? 76 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:58,550 Maybe. 77 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,200 First, you have to learn what our whole philosophy is. 78 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,475 Hang out, we'll talk later. I have to go to a meeting with Reese Lansing. 79 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,153 What's it about? 80 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,436 Suspending our whole philosophy. 81 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,716 Good to see you again, Brian. 82 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,159 He should be here any minute. 83 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,515 Sorry I'm late. 84 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,876 All right, I'm not gonna tell you what to put on the air. 85 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,231 You're not allowed to tell us what to put on the air. 86 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:31,670 So I'm just gonna tell you the facts. 87 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,150 You got mugged last week. You got bludgeoned. 88 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,233 - It's Casey Anthony. - Hang on, wait. She may just be right. 89 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,317 - We knew we'd take a small hit. - There's nothing small. 90 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,319 Let me just give you the facts and then invite you to draw your own conclusion. 91 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,831 Nancy Grace averages 283,000 viewers on HLN. 92 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,517 Her time period competitor, News Night, averages 960,000. 93 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,672 One week ago, HLN begins coverage of the Casey Anthony trial 94 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,515 and Nancy's audience increases to 1.5 million viewers, 95 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,274 while News Night's audience drops to 460,000, 96 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,319 sending you from second to fifth place in the course of five days. 97 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,120 A feat I previously thought was only accomplishable 98 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,840 by the New York Mets. 99 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,154 Whose idea was it to not cover the Casey Anthony trial? 100 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,674 It was mine. 101 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,958 I think the three of you should have a vaudeville act. 102 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,879 I'm not kidding. I'm gonna send you on a fucking tour. 103 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:20,994 It was hers. 104 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,471 MacKenzie, I've never seen a more vivid picture of why viewers left, 105 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:25,920 where they went to and why. 106 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,150 You said why twice. 107 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,073 You chose not to work for PBS. 108 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,352 You chose not to work for NPR. You have a ratings obligation. 109 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,079 No, you have a ratings obligation. 110 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,152 You're in business with the advertisers. 111 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:37,515 I'm in business with the viewers. 112 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:38,954 You just lost their business. 113 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:46,760 That's all. 114 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:49,309 Do what you want with the information. 115 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,872 I'll not be taken down by this psychotic cocktail waitress. 116 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,959 That's right, we just keep playing our game, wait it out and just... 117 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,599 How long can the trial go on? 118 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,637 I've seen the witness list. It'll run around six weeks 119 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,598 plus summations plus deliberation. 120 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,076 - We'll never make it. - That's right, so... 121 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,072 Wait, when you said we wouldn't be taken down 122 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:10,879 by this psychotic cocktail waitress, 123 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,595 did you mean we weren't gonna cave or that we were? 124 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,354 - You're gonna cover Casey Anthony. - Bullshit we are. 125 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,352 We have the three-day weekend to gear up for it. 126 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:19,510 Charlie. 127 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,910 Starting Tuesday, you'll lead with her in the A block. 128 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,078 Give it 15 minutes and a five-minute reset on the half hour. 129 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,157 Seriously, I can't tell if you're joking or... 130 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:28,230 - Did you just hear those numbers? - Yes. 131 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,034 Half our audience changed the channel in one week. 132 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,230 - I understand. - Do you? 133 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,313 - Do I understand math? - Do you understand that it's unprecedented? 134 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,835 I'm not gonna argue with you when Will can do it for me. 135 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,355 He's never gonna go for this. Tell him. 136 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:42,993 Have marketing promo the living shit out of Casey Anthony. 137 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,116 Oh, my God. 138 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,795 Rename the show "Casey Anthony Night with Casey Anthony." 139 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,633 - Will, hang on. - Right here on the Casey Anthony Network. 140 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,439 - Mac. - 'Cause any second I'm going to wake up 141 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,712 and be back in a room with Don Quixote and the mission to civilize. 142 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:54,790 - Listen to me. - No. 143 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:55,950 How many drinks were thrown in your face 144 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,360 because you didn't think people should watch 145 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,511 The Real Morons of South Beach or whatever the hell it's called? 146 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,354 - It's not the same thing. - It's exactly the same thing. 147 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,875 It's just worse. A child is dead. 148 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,236 A very troubled young mother either did or didn't murder her. 149 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,551 Her parents are waiting to find out if she's going to get the needle, 150 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,838 So thank God for TiVo, otherwise we wouldn't be able to sit down... 151 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,036 It's news. 152 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,077 Yeah, say that three times and click your heels. 153 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:17,674 It's entertainment. 154 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,400 And it's just, just this side of a snuff film. 155 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,034 - Sit down, Mac. - No, I don't want to sit. 156 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,760 - Do it anyway, please. - 15 at the top, that's a quarter of the show. 157 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,718 - Mac. - And five at the bottom for a reset? 158 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,200 Please sit! 159 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,159 - Think I like it? - I know you don't. 160 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,000 It makes me sick. There isn't enough bourbon in Kentucky. 161 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,356 Okay? We're in the same place on this. 162 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,036 So, let's be in the same place on this. 163 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,554 We've had ratings dips before. 164 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,836 First of all, not like this. Nothing like this. 165 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,360 Second, I want the debate. 166 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,352 The three of us have talked about a new debate format 167 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,113 for months and we're not going to be able to do it 168 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:51,515 if they don't give us a debate. 169 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,080 - I just really... - They're not gonna give us a debate 170 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,550 if we're in fifth place. I want the debate. 171 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:57,239 I want to fundamentally change the way 172 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,232 we interview presidential candidates for their job. 173 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,836 If that means we have to be Jerry Springer for a few weeks, I'm willing to pay that price. 174 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,794 When the going gets tough, the two of you really man up. 175 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,591 Then go with your principles, Mac, but know a ratings hit like this is all Leona needs 176 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:14,117 to fire Will without having to explain why. 177 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,440 - All right. - You'll do it as classy as you can. 178 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,119 I'll have Will wear a top hat and monocle 179 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,238 while he's showing pictures of the wet T-shirt contest. 180 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,199 I'm sorry about the outburst in there. 181 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,034 Yeah, I'm not sure it was all about Casey Anthony. 182 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,315 - How did it go? - He's doing it. 183 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,278 Then he has to disclose that we were... 184 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,198 I told him one parenthetical in the second graph. 185 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:51,874 That's it. 186 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,514 He needs to be seen as a heavyweight again, Mac. 187 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,438 He's not gonna write a tell-all. You're fine. 188 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,432 Murrow did Person to Person. 189 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,591 Celebrity interviews. It was a deal with Paley. 190 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:04,353 One for them, one for him. 191 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,110 He interviewed Liberace, Mac, just so he could keep going after McCarthy. 192 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,590 Those were puff pieces. This is poison. 193 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,358 If we're gonna do this, let's not pretend we're not doing this. 194 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,835 - Jim Harper. - Hey. 195 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,434 - Brian Brenner. - I know. 196 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,796 I wasn't sure if you remembered. It's been a few years. 197 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,559 Sure. It's good to see you. 198 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,076 Are you looking at BigGovernment.com? 199 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,674 - Yeah. - Don't make me write 200 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,639 that you're using Andrew Breitbart to research this show. 201 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,872 No, we're gonna be doing a mock debate at the end of next week. 202 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,116 A mock debate? 203 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,153 The RNC is looking at Will to possibly host a debate, 204 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,955 and Will and Mac have an idea for a new debate format. 205 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,236 We want to show them, so we're each playing a candidate 206 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,472 and we're gonna do a mock debate on Michele Bachmann, so... 207 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:49,710 - Andrew Breitbart. - Yeah. 208 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,157 Tell me about this new debate format you guys want. 209 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,830 You know, I'm not really sure what I'm allowed to talk to you about yet. 210 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,991 Do you mind if we wait until I get some instructions? 211 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,116 - Sure. - Thanks. 212 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,200 Hey. 213 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,555 - Hey. - I heard you were here. 214 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:09,756 You're not getting out of town for the weekend? 215 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,593 - Nope. How about you? - Yeah. 216 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,270 I'm going to a think tank conference outside Baltimore. 217 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,756 The Institute For Capital Studies and Economic Growth. 218 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,514 - It's gonna be a raver. - I think it's called a rager. 219 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,354 - Are you sure? - No. 220 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,397 It's either a rave or a rager or a raver. 221 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,949 Don't think the Institute For Capital Studies and Economic Growth's 222 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,150 gonna be any of them. 223 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:28,515 So I stopped in to give you a heads up. 224 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,114 I might need a couple extra minutes Tuesday night. 225 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:31,596 I don't think I can give it to you. 226 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:34,036 The House is going to vote up or down on increasing the debt ceiling. 227 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,476 - It's a cosmetic vote, but... - If it's a cosmetic vote, why... 228 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,159 It's news because first of all, it'll be the first time 229 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,960 in history the House lets the US default on its debt. 230 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,556 But moreover, it'll be the first shot in the beginning of a very reckless, 231 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:48,435 extremely dangerous partisan fight that could end in catastrophe. 232 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,159 - Let me explain. - I can't give you the time. 233 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,675 - If Congress doesn't raise... - I can't give you the extra time. 234 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,237 Starting Tuesday, I have to cover Casey Anthony. 235 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,949 - I really liked that we weren't doing that. - I really liked it, too. 236 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,276 By putting the debt ceiling vote in the A block, we'd be sending... 237 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,717 I can't, Sloan. We lost half our audience last week. 238 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,395 That's not hyperbole. That's an actual number. 239 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,995 - Half our audience went to HLN at 8:00. - Half? 240 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,675 If we don't bring them home this week, we'll have lost most of them for good 241 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:15,796 and we could lose the debate. 242 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,071 Kenzie, I'm not just trying to get more airtime. 243 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,480 This is an incredibly important... 244 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,671 I had 42 and a half minutes to work with. 245 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,194 I now have 22 and a half. 246 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,073 Do you know how you're gonna budget the 22 and a half? 247 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,480 Do you know what Tuesday's news is? 248 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,155 We want the debate. That's the prize. 249 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,000 Those guys are studying on a Friday night of a three-day weekend. 250 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,640 - Okay, next question. - Congresswoman Bachmann, 251 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,629 you're a proponent of reforming Social Security and Medicare. 252 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,916 Can you give us some details of the reforms you have in mind? 253 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,152 I'd start by reducing benefits for all but current recipients 254 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,317 as part of an effort to reduce the federal deficit. 255 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,835 I'd like to add that President Obama has already transferred 256 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,152 over $500 billion out of Medicare and into Obamacare, 257 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,312 which I will repeal on my first day in office. 258 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,199 Ms. Bachmann, are you aware that presidents can't repeal laws? 259 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,516 I, Jim, am aware of that, but... 260 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:02,954 Where are you getting the quote? 261 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,509 BigGovernment.com. It's right here. 262 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,350 - Hmm. - What? 263 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,590 Anthony Weiner's Twitter account got hacked. 264 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,552 Can I suggest a way to turn lemons into lemonade? 265 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:15,630 Sure. 266 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,996 First you squeeze the juice from the lemons. Then add sugar and water. 267 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,070 And you're not really into this joke, 268 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,112 so I'm just going to say what I really wanted to say. 269 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,351 The Casey Anthony story actually gives us a chance to show 270 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,750 how important the debt ceiling story is if we lead 271 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,638 with the debt ceiling instead of Casey Anthony. 272 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:28,949 When do you have to go to your raver? 273 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,157 - I've got plenty of time. - Tea, can I have another? 274 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,192 - Yeah. - Hey, how about Brian Brenner? 275 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,476 I've been reading him for years and didn't know what he looked like. 276 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:36,710 - He's cute. - Yeah. 277 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,280 - Is he single? - He is. 278 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,794 - Are you interested? - Nope. 279 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,153 That's contempt prior to investigation. 280 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,312 No, it's contempt after thorough investigation. 281 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,239 - You dated him? - I did. 282 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,994 - When? - About six years ago. 283 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,719 That's... Wait. 284 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,439 - That's... - Yeah. 285 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,755 Six years ago, you were with the guy you were with before Will. 286 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,031 Yeah. 287 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,079 - But that would... - Oh, my God, Sloan. 288 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,640 It's like the land where time stands still. 289 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,189 Brian Brenner is the guy I cheated on Will with. 290 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,671 I'd been with Will for a year and Brian started calling me again. 291 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,469 - Wow. - Yeah. 292 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:17,960 - Why would he do the piece? - Brian? 293 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,315 - Yeah. - He needs a cover story. 294 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:20,800 And why would Will have Brian do the piece? 295 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,594 That's a perfectly fair question to which I have no answer. 296 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,029 This is really messed up. 297 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,034 Look, I'll do my best to find you the time you need for the story. 298 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,589 We just need to hope there's no new piece of nonsense 299 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,357 I have to jam into my 22 minutes of Short Attention Span Theater. 300 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,560 Anthony Weiner accidentally tweeted a picture of his groin to 40,000 followers. 301 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,634 And I don't consider it that big a federal offense, 302 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,155 but people want to pay attention to it and I guess I get it. 303 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,038 When you're named Weiner, it kind of goes with the territory. 304 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,152 Have you ever taken a picture like this of yourself? 305 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,471 I can tell you this, that there are... 306 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,233 I have photographs. 307 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,835 I don't know what photographs are out there in the world of me. 308 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,674 I don't know what things have been manipulated and doctored. 309 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,355 And we're gonna try to find out what happened. 310 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,956 But the most important reason I want to find out what happened is to make sure... 311 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,636 Weiner, McAvoy. Call me. You're getting terrible advice. 312 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,275 Well, the choices are to do something or to do nothing. 313 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,677 If we do nothing, then the audience turns to the nearest guy doing something. 314 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,638 What exactly would our report be? 315 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,871 That he's not answering questions very well? 316 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,111 - I don't know. Give me three minutes. - To report what? 317 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,356 I don't know. But if I do nothing, 318 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:31,874 it's gonna look like I'm protecting a liberal. 319 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,076 Since when did we start caring about 320 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,634 what it looks like instead of what it is? 321 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,633 Reports on the Tea Party won't have credibility if we're not balanced. 322 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,633 Will, you're the one who said that balance 323 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,155 for its own sake doesn't have any place in reporting. 324 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,110 One from column A and one from column B is bullshit. 325 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,035 And boorish behavior isn't the same as taking the US Treasury hostage. 326 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,431 When the RNC boys come here on Friday, they won't see it the same way. 327 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,115 And you'll explain to them we don't care that he's sexting. 328 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,874 - We care how he votes. - And they'll understand, give us the debate, 329 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:03,237 let us use the format we want, and we'll all go out for chocolate milkshakes. 330 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,797 Three minutes in the B block, please, after Casey Anthony. 331 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,712 Okay. 332 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,952 I know it seems like a story that only affects 333 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,317 300,000 people in Queens, but since there's sex involved, 334 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,359 we can't deny its national importance. 335 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,717 Especially since we don't know all or even any of the facts. 336 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,392 Three minutes. I assume you want the pictures. 337 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,831 Good meeting. 338 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,715 I'm pretty familiar with that tone of voice. 339 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,917 - I guess you are, too? - I am. 340 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,597 No one's been hitting the Tea Party as hard as you've been. 341 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,831 - Certainly no Republican. - That's not true. 342 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,914 David Frum, Mark McKinnon, Alan Simpson, Steve Schmidt, Andrew Sullivan. 343 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,071 Okay, but none of them work for Leona Lansing. 344 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,112 I don't know. I think everybody works for Leona Lansing. 345 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,110 She can't be happy that you're beating up people AWM needs on the Hill. 346 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,795 I'm really not an expert on what does or doesn't make Leona happy. 347 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,190 Has she ever asked you to tone it down? 348 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,078 I'm not doing your reporting for you, Brian. 349 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,914 I'm doing my reporting myself. I'm asking you a question. 350 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,277 I'm not commenting on or off the record about either Leona or Reese Lansing. 351 00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:17,478 - Does she want you fired? - If she wanted me fired, I'd be fired. 352 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,758 All she has to do is buy my contract, 353 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,752 which she can do with the money under her sofa cushions. 354 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,638 But then she'd have to explain why she was firing 355 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,871 the second most watched anchor on cable 356 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,792 and she can't do that. 357 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,595 Is it a coincidence that the tabloid stories about you 358 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:31,955 started right after the election? 359 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,114 I don't know. 360 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,073 Do you think she's using her own tabloid magazine 361 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,953 to manufacture a reason to fire you? 362 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,713 That would be a smart way to do it. 363 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,031 And, of course, if you lost half your audience 364 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,994 because your show was too highbrow to cover Casey Anthony, 365 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,958 she wouldn't even need to work that hard to do it. 366 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,632 Firing an anchor for losing half his audience isn't unreasonable, 367 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,074 if that's what you're asking. 368 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,152 It wasn't and you know it. 369 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,639 You're trying to get me to write this story without your fingerprints on it. 370 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,555 AWM has to do business with Congress and you're making it much harder. 371 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,519 Leona wants you fired, but can't do it unless she can explain it. 372 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,876 She's hoping the tabloid stories build to a critical mass 373 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,634 or that your ratings tank. 374 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,156 Say something if I'm wrong, say nothing if I'm right. 375 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,352 For what it's worth, I'd cave, too. 376 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,840 No serious journalist would ever agree to the demands I made on Friday. 377 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,196 So for what it's worth, you already did. 378 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,318 Are you ready to answer questions about the newsletter? 379 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,517 - I haven't read it. - The mock debate's Friday. 380 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,353 No, I'm being Ron Paul right now. 381 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,557 I didn't write it. I've never read it. I've never heard of it. 382 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,717 It's got my name on it, I've made money from it. 383 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,269 The newsletters would get a standing ovation at a Klan rally, 384 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:47,033 but you should stop asking me questions about them. 385 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,191 - You need a better answer. - He needs a better answer. 386 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,037 Tell you what question I'd start off with. 387 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,833 - Congresswoman Bachmann. - Yes? 388 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,038 You've said that you were told to run for president by God. 389 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,992 - Please, I don't... - You have, right? 390 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,312 You've said on a number of occasions that God told you to run for president. 391 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,437 I have some clips here if you'd like me to refresh your memory. 392 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,193 - Nope, my memory is fresh. - Here's my question. 393 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:08,079 - Good. - What does God's voice sound like? 394 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,436 - I'm completely serious. 395 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,275 She's saying that God spoke directly to her. 396 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:15,317 How is this not the first question asked in a debate? 397 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,079 How is it not the only question? 398 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,915 What does his voice sound like? 399 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,994 What did he say exactly, word for word? 400 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,596 Did he speak in Hebrew? Acadian? Kiswahili-Bantu? 401 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,031 And to put it in a medical context, is this the first time you've heard voices? 402 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,710 She's claiming to be a prophet. 403 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,712 The whole world is sitting on the edge of their seat. 404 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,837 How is this not the first question Will asks? 405 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,277 First of all, can you stop pointing at me and saying she and her? 406 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:41,919 You're the one who wanted to play a woman. 407 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,315 But tell me why that question is out of line. 408 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,239 Because it's not the best way to demonstrate seriousness of intent 409 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,357 and it's not the best way to not insult people. 410 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,120 - Which people? - Christians. 83% of the country. 411 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:53,272 I'm one of them. And she's insulting me. 412 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,517 Please, stop pointing at me when you are... 413 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,434 Relax, J. Edgar. She's insulting me, 414 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,274 she's insulting my family, she's insulting my congregation, 415 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,959 and she's insulting my faith. 416 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,112 She's implying that Christians are imbeciles 417 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,476 who will believe anything while reducing God 418 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,200 to a party hack who endorses political candidates. 419 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:13,671 Now, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this is the first time since Moses 420 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,878 that God has given direct instructions to someone other than his son. 421 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,872 But if so, I think it deserves a follow-up. 422 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,600 We're not going to get the debate if we're mocking their candidates. 423 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,674 The whole point of the new debate format is to compel the candidates to tell the truth 424 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,553 and make them responsible for their own rhetoric 425 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,394 by asking tougher questions than a Match.com profile. 426 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,196 If she knows what God wants, then I'm voting for her. 427 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,953 If she doesn't, she should stop saying so. 428 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,396 I'm not attacking Christians. I'm defending them. 429 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,358 - All right. - Just a moment, please. 430 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,430 What? 431 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,159 I'm standing up for the tens of millions of Christians 432 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,551 who are tired of being represented by having our identity... 433 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,478 There's been an identity theft. 434 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,992 That's it. That's the one I want. 435 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:57,037 I think you already know that starting tonight, we're leading with Casey Anthony. 436 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,351 Does anyone have a problem with that? 437 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,314 All right, well, we lost almost half a million viewers 438 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,959 to Nancy Grace last week. 439 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:06,192 Does anyone still have a problem with it? 440 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,872 We're gonna clear out some of these stories to make room. 441 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,193 "Senate obstruction becomes worst in US history." 442 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,590 That's a report by the Alliance For Justice. 443 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,434 The Senate's confirmed a smaller percentage of Obama's judicial appointees 444 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,512 than any other Senate and any other president. 445 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,950 No reason to care about that. 446 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:26,478 "Job situation dire, new stimulus needed." 447 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,359 This Congress ran on jobs, but they're focused on debt. 448 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,672 According to the payroll company ADP... 449 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,512 I just solved unemployment. 450 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,718 "AFL-CIO sours on Obama." 451 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,316 We've got an analyst lined up to give a report card 452 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,470 on Obama's union relationships. 453 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,280 Will the AFL-CIO still be sour on him tomorrow? 454 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:47,477 - I don't know. - Let's find out. 455 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,557 All right, to give us a crash course in how best 456 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,791 to exploit this tragedy and to erase all boundaries 457 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,758 of what should be used as entertainment, 458 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,359 I've enlisted the help of a master of the dark arts. 459 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,920 I understand I'm needed. 460 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,119 - Thank you. - Forget everything you know about the news. 461 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,078 Done. What's next? 462 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,396 I'm Charlie Skinner. 463 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:43,876 Good to meet you. 464 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,191 Should I just sit here? 465 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,431 Sure. 466 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,876 Should I call you Mr. Hancock? 467 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,080 It's Schneider. 468 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,879 - Schneider? - Ezra Schneider. 469 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,270 How the hell many aliases do you have? 470 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,150 I beg your pardon? 471 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:00,875 Are you Late for Dinner? 472 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,837 Mister, I have no idea what you're talking about. 473 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,633 Charlie. 474 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,953 That has to have been strange for you. 475 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,879 That's going to be a story you'll tell later. 476 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,155 Late for Dinner? 477 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,153 - Solomon Hancock. - Charlie Skinner. 478 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,077 I thought because of the carnation. 479 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,480 Did we say anything about a carnation? 480 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,839 No, but it's usually the international sign for... 481 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,229 Doesn't matter. 482 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,431 I'm a busy guy and if you're faffin' me around... 483 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,438 Would you mind taking the battery out of your cell phone? 484 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,080 The walls in the New York Public Library are three feet thick. 485 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,310 That's why we're meeting here, 486 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,437 but I'd like you to take the battery out of your cell phone. 487 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,637 You have reason to believe you're under surveillance? 488 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,996 Everyone's under surveillance. If you've got a cell phone... 489 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,753 It's talk like that that makes me... 490 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,594 Did I or did I not establish credibility on May 1st? 491 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,635 You correctly predicted that we'd all be called to work, yes. 492 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,440 Sometimes at the NSA, we download a rolling bug 493 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,797 onto smartphones to slave the microphone. 494 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,270 You ever get an unwanted text message? 495 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:06,192 All the time, but they're from my boss. 496 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,629 Here. 497 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,237 I'll never be able to put that back together. 498 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:14,431 They're coming out with a better model in six months. 499 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,355 That's unusual for the tech industry. 500 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,800 Can you tell me a little about yourself? 501 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,434 I started out chasing around a Soviet Pacific Fleet 502 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,200 doing signal intelligence cryptology for the Navy. 503 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,920 But when the Berlin Wall came down, my war was over. 504 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,953 So I went into the private sector like everybody else in the '90s, 505 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,235 only not for a dot-com, 506 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,873 doing data compression for fiber optics. 507 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,395 Then 9/11 happened and I decided 508 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,314 it was a good time to get back into public service hunting bad guys. 509 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,470 You're an IT guy. 510 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,155 My title is Assistant Deputy Director 511 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,790 of Technology and Systems Cryptology and Mathematics at NSA. 512 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,000 I'm gonna have to... 513 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,633 I product-test software. 514 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,869 - NSA software? - Yes, sir. 515 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,235 Can you tell me about the software? 516 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,440 It's data mining. 517 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,160 One of the ways the NSA was tracking bin Laden, 518 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,033 or any terrorist for that matter, 519 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:19,911 was to write code that would sift through millions of electronic communications 520 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,311 looking for a needle in a giant haystack. 521 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,510 You know the machine that Batman uses in The Dark Knight 522 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,956 to find the Joker, but when Morgan Freeman finds out about it, 523 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,999 he says, "I'm quitting because no man should have this much power"? 524 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,679 - No. - "No" what? 525 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,632 I do not know that machine. 526 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,956 Well, it exists. 527 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,994 We gave the contract to two defense contracting big boys 528 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,635 and it was my job mostly to make sure that they delivered 529 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:44,995 and that it worked. 530 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:47,999 The project title is GLOBALCLARITY 531 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,998 and it intercepts 1.7 billion phone calls, emails, and texts every day. 532 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,914 - Legally? - By what standard? 533 00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:57,793 - The law. - No. 534 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,557 It involves a significant amount of illegal, warrantless wiretapping of American citizens. 535 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:08,238 Just to be... When you say "warrantless," are you saying "unnecessary"? 536 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,516 "Without a warrant." Warrantless. 537 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,156 We could hunt for terrorists legally, 538 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,914 but due to our bosses' devotion to GLOBALCLARITY, 539 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,277 the NSA has been happily violating the Fourth Amendment, 540 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,477 USSID 18, 541 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,992 and about a dozen of the NSA's own regulations about spying on Americans. 542 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:31,838 You've got guys listening in on ex-wives, dropping in on calls from soldiers overseas, 543 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,276 checking out what movie stars are up to. 544 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,431 Am I the first person you've talked to about this? 545 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,831 No, stop confusing me with Donald Sutherland in JFK. 546 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,718 Well, a second ago, you were Morgan Freeman. 547 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,280 I have testified in front of Congress 548 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,194 and to the Pentagon Inspector General. I got nowhere. 549 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,715 Nobody on the Hill wants to admit it's fucked up 550 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,550 because nobody wants to be seen as post-9/11 soft. 551 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,319 Where does AWM come in? 552 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,909 Atlantis World Media owns Atlantis Cable News. 553 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,199 - Yeah. - It also owns the tabloid TMI! 554 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,080 - Yeah. - The shit that's happening 555 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,436 at Murdoch's News of the World in London, 556 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,711 TMI! has been doing the same thing for years. 557 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,916 - How high does it go? - I don't know. 558 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,193 Does it go as high as Leona Lansing? 559 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,993 - No. - Good. 560 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,549 It goes as high as her son. 561 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,633 TMI! is doing phone and computer hacking and Reese Lansing knows? 562 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,317 Reese has been ordering it. 563 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,154 - I'm gonna give you... - Hang on. 564 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,720 I need to digest that. 565 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:37,593 Reese Lansing is James Murdoch, but Lansing's been ordering it. 566 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,160 Digested yet? 567 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,350 These classified? 568 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,830 Yeah, because I'm dying to violate the Espionage Act. 569 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,431 These are just transcripts of my testimony 570 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,075 before the House subcommittee and the Pentagon. 571 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,877 Vet me, vet the material. Take all the time you need. 572 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,834 Why are you whistle-blowing? 573 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,916 I fought the Soviets. 574 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,310 The way that government made their people live their lives 575 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,199 was a very good reason to fight them. 576 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:13,718 After 9/11, we started doing the exact same thing. 577 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,035 I didn't spend my life fighting Communists to have it come to this. 578 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,437 Report on GLOBALCLARITY. 579 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,716 And once I see that report, I'll give you what you need 580 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,632 to protect yourself from Leona Lansing. 581 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,595 How do you know we need protecting from Leona Lansing? 582 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,315 Have you been listening? 'Cause we have. 583 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,990 This woman is the best I've ever seen. 584 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,554 Center screen is Nancy. 585 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,751 These three corners are live feeds of the guest experts. 586 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,395 - What are they experts in? - Agreeing with everything Nancy says. 587 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,039 - But what keeps your attention... - Excuse me. 588 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,271 This is Brian Brenner, everyone. 589 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,670 It's possible he's going to be writing a feature on 2.0. 590 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,116 But we're in a tryout period right now. 591 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,270 Everything's off the record. 592 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,553 Go ahead. What keeps our attention? 593 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,994 Is the bottom right corner where they're playing 594 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,072 a loop of little Caylee from a home video. 595 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,949 Hell. Do you think it's as bad as everyone says it is? 596 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,040 That was a tribute to Caylee. 597 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,113 But how will they explain the duct tape 598 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,676 around the child's mouth and nose? 599 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,274 And how will they explain 600 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,398 all the lies that Tot Mom told? 601 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,119 Now they're not talking about the tattoo 602 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,237 on Casey's back, but they put it full screen. Why? 603 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,033 Because Tess was just about to look somewhere else, 604 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,351 so they changed the frame to anything that might keep her attention. 605 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,432 He's right. I was gonna google Mac's hell question. 606 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,159 Plus tattoo equals bad mom. 607 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,999 No one's ever gone broke in America serving up 608 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,673 a woman who makes other women feel superior. 609 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,831 The series of lies 610 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,355 that finally came crashing down around her. 611 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,955 If she would lie about that, 612 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,953 why should I believe an accident is true? 613 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,191 Don't spend time thinking about her airtight syllogism. 614 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,630 Her EP's showing duct tape and a plastic bag, 615 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,514 so you know you're watching the real CSI: Miami. 616 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,159 ...how to make weapons 617 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,312 out of home materials found in the home. 618 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,074 About breaking necks. 619 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,799 How can they explain that? 620 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,475 They can't explain it, Nancy. 621 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,951 The defense is doing what the defense has to do. 622 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,393 Now, Bill Sheaffer has done his job. 623 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,790 He agreed with Nancy. We don't need to see his face anymore. 624 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,917 Look how cute Caylee is. 625 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,396 She deserved better than a mom with a tattoo. 626 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,159 She deserved... 627 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,158 - She deserved... - Me. 628 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,913 - Me. - Me. 629 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,469 Tess, how's that Google search coming? 630 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,876 It does look pretty bad. A lot of fire. 631 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,634 You'll notice little of her coverage in this instance is about the law. 632 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,911 You know, come to think of it, I did notice that. 633 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,275 It's all based on an emotional appeal. 634 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,120 The way she would with a jury if there was no judge there to stop her. 635 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,833 Watch how she breaks down courtroom footage. 636 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,560 Liz, let's see the video of Tot Mom 637 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,520 and Jose Baez back at it in court again today. 638 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,038 Not a good look between a death penalty defendant 639 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,277 and the lead defense attorney. 640 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,874 Two seconds. 641 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,319 Two seconds of Casey Anthony walking past her lawyer, 642 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,636 and she'll show it to you in slow motion 643 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,076 and from a different angle 644 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,675 and at regular speed and from the original angle again. 645 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,956 - What does that remind you of? - Instant replay in sports. 646 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,394 And she looks pretty pissed at her lawyer. 647 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,995 And that's exactly why she's showing it to you so many times. 648 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,555 So you have a chance to draw your own thoroughly uninformed opinion 649 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,319 about an utterly innocuous exchange. 650 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,319 She looks pissed. 651 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,596 "I wonder if she's sleeping with her lawyer. I bet she is." 652 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,797 "I wonder if that's what she looked like when she killed Caylee." 653 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,799 "This is the best TV ever. I've got to go on my Casey Anthony Facebook page 654 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,190 "and see if my Casey Anthony Facebook friends just saw Casey Anthony 655 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,198 "make a Casey Anthony face at her Casey Anthony lawyer." 656 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,915 All right, enough. Will's a criminal prosecutor. 657 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,151 Maybe he can talk about how our justice system wasn't built 658 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,560 to lock up guilty people. 659 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,194 It was built to keep innocent people free, 660 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,590 which is something Americans should be proud of and fiercely protect. 661 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:56,955 No. 662 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,678 He can't ever imply that the viewer 663 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,717 doesn't already know everything and that she might be innocent. 664 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,599 If we're gonna cover this, we're gonna cover it our way. 665 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,319 What's the point of covering it at all unless we do it 666 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,880 in a way that gets our audience back? 667 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,590 A modest proposal. We could ourselves commit murder on our air. 668 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,797 In your face, Nancy Grace! 669 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,310 How do we get the best guests? 670 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,199 There's a guy you're gonna have to deal with named Dylan Kagin. 671 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,960 He's like the Broadway Danny Rose of tabloid suffering. 672 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,156 He's an agent? 673 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,993 You ever ask yourself why of all the missing kids 674 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,594 and murdered coeds, most of them go unnoticed 675 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,592 - and some become national scandals? - Sex appeal. 676 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,838 Right, but someone's got to find Lana Turner sitting at the drugstore counter. 677 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,192 Dylan Kagin gropes through the trailer park of American jurisprudence 678 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,078 for what he calls "Oh, my God" stories. 679 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,834 Then he drops in on the victims, the accused, the jurors, the cops, 680 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,912 whoever he can sell to the press, the networks, and the studios. 681 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,400 He packages the missing white girl. 682 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,398 All right, that'll be the A block. 683 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,834 By 2:00, show me where we are. 684 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,195 The B block's gonna be Anthony Weiner, 685 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,039 so, Jim, start putting something together. 686 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,794 All we really have are the pictures and Weiner not answering questions. 687 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,111 - I know that. - You don't want to wait until we have... 688 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,516 Facts? No, that would be newsy and elitist. 689 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,719 Let's just call them the A and the B block. Let's just think of them as a polished, 690 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,439 tightly produced abomination. 691 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,716 I've been sitting here and I'm getting a little sick of this. 692 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,354 - You and me both. - Jesus Christ. 693 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,239 For a few weeks, we're not gonna ask the country to eat its vegetables. 694 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,551 Why? Because there's a debate we want to do 695 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,360 that trumps all of your Sarah Lawrence ethical conundrums. 696 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,159 It shouldn't be too hard to understand. 697 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,351 So get it the fuck together. 698 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,560 He happens to be right. 699 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,797 "War on drugs a failure." 700 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,076 I know how it feels. 701 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,279 Show me where we are at 2:00. 702 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,920 - Mac, can I see you a second? - Yeah. 703 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,995 - Do you mind if I sit in on... - Yeah, sorry, no. 704 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,277 Not sure that's the best way to get good press. 705 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,080 May 1st, the night we got bin Laden, I got a call 706 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,550 from an anonymous source at 7:30 707 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,552 telling me the White House would send an email blast 708 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,030 to all the news agencies in 90 minutes, 709 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,954 and obviously it turned out he was right. 710 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,840 He was demonstrating his credibility. 711 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,559 His name is Solomon Hancock. 712 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,633 He works in software engineering at the NSA 713 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,672 and he handed me a stack of documents, 714 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,753 transcripts of his testimony describing illegal surveillance. 715 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,877 We have to start vetting him and the documents. 716 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,037 It's gonna take at least a few days, but that's part one. 717 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,270 What's part two? 718 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,829 If we air his story, he'll give us evidence 719 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,833 that TMI!'s been doing the same thing as News of the World. 720 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:38,594 - Hacking? - Everything. 721 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:41,599 - TMI!'s been hacking? - Hancock says he's got the proof. 722 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,991 Jesus Christ. How high does he say it goes? 723 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,516 Reese. 724 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,077 - Let's get on with the vet. - I'll have Jim run it. 725 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,913 - Is he up for this? - He is, Will. 726 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,514 I taught him how to do the news. 727 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,035 I taught them all how to do the news. 728 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,429 Can you give us a second? 729 00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,430 I'm done. 730 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,232 Why did it have to be Brian? 731 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,760 Because I own him now. He needs a cover story. 732 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,516 If he writes a negative one, he'll get slammed with the whole soap opera of our history. 733 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,275 Are you lying right now? 734 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,238 - Anything else? - Yeah. 735 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,516 Sloan says on Thursday, the House is gonna vote to default on our loans, 736 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,280 leading to a global economic meltdown. 737 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,354 Should I put that before or after Anthony Weiner in his underwear? 738 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,955 I'm sure you'll figure it out. 739 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:42,640 That's all for us tonight. 740 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,552 Tomorrow we'll be bringing you all the highlights 741 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,553 from day seven of the trial and Detective Yuri Melich, 742 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,230 the first officer to interview Casey Anthony in 2008. 743 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,960 Terry Smith is coming up from Washington with The Capital Report. 744 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,230 I'm Will McAvoy. 745 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,119 - Good night. 746 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,151 Will McAvoy, your new choice for Casey Anthony coverage. 747 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:11,754 - They're coming home. - Yeah? 748 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,440 We promoed the hell out of it. 749 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,432 We got 150,000 viewers back. 750 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,274 25-54, almost all women. 751 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,556 That's toasters, furniture, food, clothes, 752 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,677 kids' clothes, vacation plans. 753 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,320 Our heads are above water now, so do not stop. 754 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,999 - We won't. - How about this heat? 755 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,157 - Yeah. - 9:00 in the morning, it's already 87. 756 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:31,118 It's gonna hit 98. That would beat the record for this day 757 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,034 - that was set in 1933. - Yeah. 758 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:35,720 - You're looking at me funny. - Yeah? 759 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,269 - I know you hate this. - I'm looking at you the regular way. 760 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,715 - If you say so. - I do. 761 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,833 There are also tornado warnings. 762 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,674 - Reese. - What? 763 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,077 - Nothing. - All right, so it's gonna get up to 98. 764 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,437 That's a record. And there are tornado warnings for New York City. 765 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,671 Well, you know, Aunt Bee, tornadoes are just God's way 766 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,638 of destroying property and killing people. 767 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,160 People like hearing about extreme weather. 768 00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,197 We're not doing a fucking weather report, okay? 769 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,073 We're not coming up with some "Tornado Watch" graphic. 770 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,640 We're a serious news organization. 771 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,918 Tonight we'll be reporting on the killer cocktail waitress and the congressman... 772 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,236 - Is Mac bitching at you? - Not nearly as much as she should be. 773 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,233 I came in here to tell you you got back 150,000 viewers 774 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,800 you lost while you were trying to be above it. 775 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,634 We'll be sure not to try that again. 776 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,717 98 degrees is when we have power outages. 777 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,394 Wait a second. Wait a second. 778 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,358 I don't want to go all conspiracy theory on you, 779 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,830 but I think the heat might be related to power outages. 780 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,799 - Take it easy. - Say hi to your mom. 781 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,832 Will do. 782 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,433 Visiting hours will be Tuesday and Friday. 783 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,712 Don't be nervous. 784 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,718 We got 150,000 viewers back last night. Mostly women. 785 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,200 - I know. - I was telling her. 786 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,040 You know, it's gonna get up to 98 degrees. 787 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,839 Next person who tells me about the damn weather... 788 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,070 Do you know what you're doing here? 789 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,237 I've been asked to tell you about the weather. 790 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,358 Does it feel to you like anyone in this room is in the mood for a joke? 791 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,316 It absolutely does not. 792 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,551 We want you to lead the vetting of this source. 793 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,872 He's telling us about illegal surveillance at the NSA. 794 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,000 He's also telling us that TMI! is in the same game as News of the World. 795 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,236 Jesus. 796 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,152 We're looking at a couple of scenarios, Jim. 797 00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:11,755 One is that we're sitting on a scoop that could shake up the NSA 798 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,837 and maybe have the country take another look at the Patriot Act. 799 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,957 But the TMI! element, doesn't that... 800 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,396 Another is that someone's trying to discredit us 801 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,994 by having Will get Dan Rather-ed. 802 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,120 You'll need to file a couple of hundred Freedom of Information Act requests 803 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:27,550 and you'll need to get into this guy's personal life 804 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,996 and you'll need to do it all 805 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,113 without raising any flags at the NSA. 806 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,074 Are you up for this? 807 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:42,358 - Yeah. - We don't need it fast, we need it right. 808 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,830 - But we need it fast. - I'll start mapping it out. 809 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,559 Jim, since the day you started working here, 810 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,314 I never felt the need to remind you about confidentiality 811 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,039 and I don't feel that need now. 812 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,477 Okay. 813 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,954 - Gotcha. - Oh, God. 814 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,238 - You feel like being interviewed? - You read my mind. 815 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,993 I can't think of anything I'd rather do right now 816 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,998 than be interviewed by my ex-boyfriend, 817 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,349 except maybe eat my desk. 818 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,432 - It seems like a bad week to be here. - It is. 819 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,752 I came here to write a story about how Will and News Night changed overnight. 820 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,679 - And then you changed overnight. - Look. 821 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,036 - The old Will all over again. - These are extraordinary circumstances. 822 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,952 That's what everyone says when they abandon their principles. 823 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,589 I'm no longer required to live up to your standards. 824 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,116 - Fair enough. - Thank you. 825 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,118 What's so special about this debate? 826 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,953 If we get what we want, no one will ever go back. 827 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,554 We'll have changed the debates forever. 828 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,633 And your concern is that if your ratings are low, you'll lose leverage? 829 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,110 - Yes. - Is that your concern or Will's concern? 830 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,834 Will's concerns are my concerns. 831 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,953 'Cause another way of looking at it is that he lost his invisible friends 832 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,390 to Nancy Grace and he's using the debate as an excuse 833 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,630 to dumb the show down. 834 00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:58,440 That's a pretty bold statement from a guy who's auditioning for a job. 835 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,796 He's gonna give me the job, and it's not like I don't know why. 836 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,795 - Do you? - I do because I'm not a fucking moron. 837 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,231 The email that was read by everyone in the world, 838 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,518 "I cheated on Will." You were talking about me, right? 839 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,030 Yes. 840 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,759 You were seeing Will while we were together? 841 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,832 If you count drunk dialing me at midnight and saying, 842 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,834 "Just come on over and crawl into bed" as being together, then yes. 843 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,520 - I count it. - Then yes. 844 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,829 You cheated on me with Will? 845 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,594 Let's be as clear as anyone has ever been about anything. 846 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,831 I cheated on Will with you. 847 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,150 And I'm paying the price. 848 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,357 I work 30 feet from the life I could have had 849 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,920 if I hadn't been so stupid. 850 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,957 And you're looking at the life you could have had 851 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,998 if you hadn't been a douchebag. 852 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,078 How's the interview going so far? 853 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,037 Is douchebag one word or two? 854 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,112 - Come in. 855 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,432 - Sorry, I can come back. - No, what do you need? 856 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,716 Well, there's a story I'd like to pitch. 857 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,794 Brian, this is Neal Sampat. Neal writes Will's blog. 858 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,349 - Will doesn't write Will's blog? - Will can't find Will's blog. 859 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,395 Neal wants to be a producer, so from time to time, 860 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,836 he pitches stories. What do you got? 861 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,429 You know what a troll is, right? 862 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,838 A tiny creature that stands under a footbridge 863 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,230 and makes you answer a riddle before you're allowed to pass. 864 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,198 - They're not real, man. - I know that. 865 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,555 He means the other kind of troll. 866 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,791 You don't have the first clue what he means. 867 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,755 I mean the other kind of troll. 868 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,160 A little backup would have killed you? 869 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:27,630 Sorry, Internet trolls. It's a play on a fishing term. 870 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:28,830 People who go to message boards 871 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,991 and try to hijack the conversation by being incendiary. 872 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,197 - What about them? - Turns out they have their own websites. 873 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,749 Like an online clubhouse. And to be accepted into the group, 874 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,957 you have to be able to point to a successful incident of trolling, 875 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,078 a recent time when you made a whole bunch of posters lose their minds, 876 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,880 or better yet, got the site monitor to shut down the board. 877 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,795 Actually, I like it. And it's not about bigfoot. 878 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,236 Write this down, News Night is gonna break the story on bigfoot. 879 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,160 We're not. Don't write that down. Will they talk to you? 880 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,432 They won't talk to a reporter, but I thought maybe I'd try to get in there. 881 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,877 Undercover? Aren't you gonna have to say you trolled something? 882 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,429 I'm not gonna have to say it, I'm gonna actually have to do it. 883 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,034 To who? 884 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,472 Well, I don't want to ding on an innocent person for a story, 885 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,596 so I'm gonna have to do it to one of us. 886 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,114 You'd have to be anonymous on our website. 887 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:10,515 No, I mean do it to us on another website. 888 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,160 - What would it be? - I don't know yet. 889 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:15,914 Come back when you know, but you've made it past the first hurdle. 890 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,997 Thank you. 891 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,033 - Sloan. - How's her mood in there? 892 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,352 It's not good, but let me ask you something. 893 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,960 For the sake of a story, 894 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,957 how would you feel about me going on the Internet and saying vicious things 895 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,271 about you that might get an argument started about misogyny? 896 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,034 - What kind of vicious things? - I don't know. 897 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,430 - What would the general area be? - I really don't know. 898 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,194 - Something about the way you look? - Like what? 899 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,476 - I'd be making it up. - What would you be making up? 900 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,598 It wouldn't be true. It'd be something like... 901 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:50,679 Something along the lines of, "She screwed her way to the top 902 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,595 "and she's got a big ass." Only it would have to be... 903 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:54,955 Listen to me, Sampat. 904 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,678 - Do I? - Of course not. 905 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,120 Okay. 906 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,634 - I can do it? - You cannot. 907 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,838 If you want, you can say that I made it to the final round 908 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,037 of the K-through-six regionals in the Scripps Howard Spelling Bee. 909 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,840 That's not gonna help me. 910 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,152 You know, a lot of guys like women with big... 911 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,913 - Do they really? 912 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,116 Never mind. 913 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:24,200 I don't know what you're talking about and I have my own problems. 914 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:30,920 - Jim. - Yeah? 915 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,559 I got a woman on the phone who says she's got some tweets 916 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,154 from Anthony Weiner and wants to talk to us. 917 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,836 - What are you telling me for? - Seniority? 918 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,152 Well, I'm handing her off to the next most senior person. 919 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:41,799 Kendra, take the Weiner girl. 920 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,031 - Gary, take the Weiner girl. - Tess. 921 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,398 - Tamara. - We were hired as interns the same day. 922 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,319 I was hired in the morning. You were hired after lunch. Take the Weiner girl. 923 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,113 Please, don't make me take the Weiner girl. 924 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,714 Respect the seniority. 925 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,797 Who do I have seniority over? 926 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,000 Maggie. 927 00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:03,516 - Can people still see me? - On five. 928 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,992 Hi, this is Margaret Jordan. 929 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,197 I'm an associate producer at News Night. 930 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,715 Okay, can you spell that for me? 931 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,957 Okay, wait. 932 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,030 Hang on. 933 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,396 No, you're gonna get a chance. 934 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,078 Well, you certainly seem to want to share your story. 935 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,672 You really can't just drop in on a doctor. 936 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,991 - What if it's an emergency? - You go to the emergency room. 937 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,072 They don't have psychiatric emergency rooms. 938 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,311 They should. You're a good reason why. 939 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,475 - You want a piece of me? - Seriously? 940 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,552 - No. - Yeah. 941 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,240 Does he look over at the red light? 942 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,515 Does he look every few minutes? 943 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,559 If I was your therapist, I'd definitely look every few minutes. 944 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,080 Hey, hey, you can't do that. 945 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,516 It's okay. He likes me. 946 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:00,916 - Will. - I'm sorry. 947 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,480 - I'm with a patient. - I really just need a second. 948 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,359 I'm glad to see you back here, but you need to come during your appointment. 949 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,430 I could be dead by then. 950 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:09,995 Are you having suicidal thoughts? 951 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,150 - No. - Then why did you say that? 952 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:13,880 - Just to get your attention. - I'm going back to my patient. 953 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,395 Listen to me. I've been paying 250 a session for four years 954 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,755 without showing up to a single session. 955 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,832 You owe me $100,000 worth of therapy. 956 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,674 I'll forgive the debt, we'll be totally square, just give me one minute. 957 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,870 I'm sorry. I'll be just a minute. 958 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,272 You caved for the money. I'm kind of disappointed. 959 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,313 I didn't cave for the money. You're getting the sessions you paid for. 960 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,471 You seem like you're in pain. 961 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,395 - He is. - He said "in pain," not "a pain." 962 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,834 Oh. Never mind, then. 963 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,236 What is it? 964 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,119 I'm doing all these things that are wrong because of ratings, 965 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,351 and I'm making the staff do things that they don't want to do, 966 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,110 I'm cursing them out, I'm ignoring incredibly important news stories, 967 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:55,038 and I'm betraying the trust of people who respect me. 968 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,391 And I did it all in the blink of an eye. 969 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,551 - That can be traumatic. - No, I'm fine with all of that. 970 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,831 Here's my thing. New York Magazine 971 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,276 is gonna do a story on my show and I get to choose the writer. 972 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,956 And I could have chosen anybody and I chose MacKenzie's ex-boyfriend. 973 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,160 Of course. 974 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,354 - The one she cheated on you with? - Yeah. 975 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,273 - Why? - That's what I came here to ask you. 976 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,556 You're holding your hand over the candle. 977 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:18,596 What do you mean? 978 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,720 You're holding your hand over the candle because you think the trick is not minding. 979 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:25,556 Ahh. 980 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,758 So if I just get through this, I'll be fine. 981 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,917 - No. - Why? 982 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,112 Because the trick isn't not minding. 983 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,079 The trick is forgiving MacKenzie. 984 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,038 It would be easier to hold my hand over the candle. 985 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,839 I know. 986 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,877 Well, you've been no help at all, but thanks. Sorry to barge in. 987 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,792 You know, while you're working your way through this, 988 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,394 you're hurting MacKenzie. 989 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:49,790 I know that. 990 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,631 Show up for your appointment. 991 00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,720 I'm not doing it on purpose. 992 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,475 Maggie. 993 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,072 Yeah. 994 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,950 - Sandy? - Yes. 995 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,236 - Margaret Jordan. We talked on the phone. - Nice to meet you. 996 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,669 - You got here okay? - Yes. 997 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,991 I have a receipt for the cab. Who do I give that to? 998 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,753 I'll take it. 999 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,199 So, you got some tweets from Congressman Weiner. 1000 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,516 And I've got copies of them right here. 1001 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,273 "'I like the cute new pics of you. 1002 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,079 "'Where'd you get those abs?' 1003 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,272 'Glad you like them. When do I get to see your swimsuit shot?' 1004 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,759 'When are you coming to see me? Or just coming?' 1005 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,873 'Make me an offer.' 1006 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,191 'My door's always open. Get it?' 1007 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,237 'What's your plan for us?' 1008 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,791 'To get us in the mood, we watch The Daily Show and Colbert. 1009 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,678 "'Then when we're really hot, we go to the bookstore 1010 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,399 "'and replace all the copies of Glenn Beck books 1011 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,115 "'with The Audacity of Hope. Or, if that's not your thing, 1012 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,510 "'we can just get drunk and fuck."' 1013 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,595 Why are you doing this? 1014 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,353 Because the world needs to know what kind of guy he is. 1015 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,356 It sort of seems like you were a willing participant. 1016 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,880 I didn't know about the other women. 1017 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,633 - Did you know he was married? - Of course. 1018 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,476 I just didn't know about the other women. 1019 00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:25,430 I was fooled and I think the world needs to know what kind of guy he is. 1020 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,992 By any chance, have you heard of a guy named Dylan Kagin? 1021 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,000 He's gonna be my agent. 1022 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,838 Sandy... Can I call you Sandy? 1023 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,314 Sure. 1024 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,791 Sandy, the congressman is in a lot of trouble. 1025 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,155 He got himself into it 1026 00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:43,312 and he's probably not gonna be able to get out of it. 1027 00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:48,358 Are you sure you want to pile on? 1028 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,755 I think people need to know what kind of person he is. 1029 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,593 All right. 1030 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,116 Would you like to be on our show tonight? 1031 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,669 That's the thing. I'm doing Access Hollywood, ET, and Fox. 1032 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,311 The big three. No problem. 1033 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,075 We can do a pre-tape in a few minutes. 1034 00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,152 You're a lifesaver. I was hoping you'd say that. 1035 00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:10,197 No kidding? Stay here 1036 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,876 and I'll talk to my EP and we'll get this going. 1037 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,633 Could I possibly get a decaf latte? 1038 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,470 You cannot possibly get that, but I'll have someone bring you a coffee. 1039 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,509 Well, I left it for you on the left side of the desk. 1040 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,195 And, yes, I signed it. Here you go. 1041 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:32,995 I don't know anything about it. 1042 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,436 Leona! 1043 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:36,995 A word? 1044 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,276 Okay, ask her to show it to me on the plane. 1045 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,911 Let's not stand in the street. 1046 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,359 Charlie, with that bow tie, you look like a balloon salesman. 1047 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,671 No, I get in the car and get out a minute later, 1048 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,913 it looks like we're talking about a problem or making a drug deal. 1049 00:49:54,120 --> 00:50:00,230 We're gonna stand here, smile and nod, and do this and laugh. 1050 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,960 We know where the tabloid stories are coming from. 1051 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,200 They're coming from reality. 1052 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,239 Only if you define reality as fantasy, 1053 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,551 and they're appearing in a magazine you own. 1054 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,911 How would it look if I had one of our news magazines 1055 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,633 go soft on our flagship anchor? 1056 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,355 We're calling TMI! a news magazine? 1057 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,955 People need to know if Taylor Swift is happy. 1058 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,918 I provide a public service for hundreds of thousands. 1059 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,713 The public's grateful. 1060 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,440 What did I tell you the day after election night? 1061 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,595 Friend to friend, I'd stop coming after Will in the tabloids. 1062 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,590 I told you to get him to lighten up on the Tea Party 1063 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,834 or a context would be created whereby his firing would look reasonable. 1064 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,913 - You need to hear me. - I don't think I do. 1065 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,719 The 112th Congress wasn't even seated 1066 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,111 and he took the Tea Party out for a walk on the 9/11 Responders Bill. 1067 00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:52,517 Congress, Democrats and Republicans 1068 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,997 spent eight years using 9/11 as a justification 1069 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,715 for everything from tax cuts to a foreign invasion. 1070 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,032 So Will questioned their change of heart 1071 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,470 when it came to the police and firemen's unions. 1072 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,631 You made them look like hypocrites. 1073 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,269 By rolling tape. 1074 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:13,833 House Financial Services, insider trading, Keystone XL, Joe Walsh, Allen West, 1075 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,395 Paul Ryan, and who am I forgetting? 1076 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,476 Oh, yes. Charles and David Koch. 1077 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,320 Keep smiling. 1078 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,835 We lost a couple of awfully helpful tax loopholes 1079 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,798 that were tailored to assets overseas. 1080 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,191 And the FCC won't even let us bid on the coming spectrum auction 1081 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,233 because they want a full report on whether or not 1082 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,152 we're skirting antitrust. 1083 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,356 So what was your request again? 1084 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,557 You don't want to do this. 1085 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,431 I don't. 1086 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,920 I really don't. 1087 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,719 But I have to and I will. 1088 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,872 And friend to friend, 1089 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,114 you let him know that he is one tabloid fuck-up 1090 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,511 and a ratings point away from having his own podcast. 1091 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,031 I have to make my plane. 1092 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,353 Fly safe. 1093 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,037 - Unless there's a rally... - I'm sorry, I've got to... 1094 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,230 - Listen. - Sloan. 1095 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:27,953 Unless there's a rally in the next 90 minutes, 1096 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:33,030 the Dow's gonna close down about 2.5%, S&P and NASDAQ will close down 2.3. 1097 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,077 - Let me tell you why. - I don't own a lot of stock. 1098 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,355 - Let me tell you why. - I really can't... 1099 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,954 Stop avoiding this! 1100 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,679 I just got off the phone with these guys. 1101 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,031 Listen to these quotes. These aren't from liberals. 1102 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,954 These are hardcore Wall Street guys who, whatever the world may think of them, 1103 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,992 know what they're talking about and so do I. 1104 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,394 Jamie Dimon at Chase says, 1105 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,513 "Voting against raising the debt ceiling would be a moral disaster." 1106 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,196 The Barclays guys say, "This debate is detached from reality." 1107 00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,394 My Goldman source says, "If the House Republicans continue this debate, 1108 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:05,430 "I hope they're willing to mark the end of the dollar as a global reserve currency." 1109 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:06,835 Please notice that he didn't say 1110 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,594 "If the House Republicans don't raise the debt ceiling." 1111 00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:13,600 He said, "If the House Republicans continue this debate." 1112 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,320 That's all it takes. Just the uncertainty. 1113 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,599 That's why the Dow's gonna close down 230 points today. 1114 00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:25,315 Because just the debate, just the doubt, 1115 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,915 just the possibility that the House Majority might commit 1116 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,475 the most self-inflicted damage to the country 1117 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:35,078 since the secession of the South has caused billions in value to disappear. 1118 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,231 Sloan, I understand. I swear to God I do. 1119 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,152 But you can't say the same thing in the C block? 1120 00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:40,879 You know that most people watch 10 minutes of news, 1121 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,872 - the first 10 minutes. - The vote isn't until tomorrow night. 1122 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,997 And it's only the first vote. You said yourself it was cosmetic. 1123 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,315 Why do we have to feature it tonight? 1124 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:47,635 We should have been featuring it weeks ago. 1125 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,837 Why do we have to feature it tonight? 1126 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,156 To give time for the people to call their congressmen 1127 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,160 and say, "If you fuck with the full faith and credit of the US Treasury, you're fired." 1128 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,917 To give time for the people to jam the phone lines of the district offices. 1129 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,231 To give the people time to say, 1130 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:03,955 "I'm a fiscal conservative 1131 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,511 "and you've got to put the pin back in the grenade right now." 1132 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:09,999 That's why. 1133 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,152 I'm gonna do everything I can. 1134 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,432 Please do. 1135 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,800 Don't worry about it. 1136 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,031 She's just frustrated because she can't get the word out 1137 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,510 that this is a global emergency unless you let her. 1138 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,600 Appreciate your clearing that up. 1139 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,399 You know what, MacKenzie? 1140 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,437 I'm not the one who put me here. 1141 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,433 Say what you want about me, but I wouldn't have done that. 1142 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,080 Does Will have the questions? 1143 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,038 Tess is giving him some cards now. 1144 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,711 - Is that lighting okay for you? - Yeah. 1145 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,076 - How are we chyroning her? - I was gonna ask you. 1146 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,158 Figure it out later. 1147 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,639 - Sandy. - Yes? 1148 00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:20,440 My name's MacKenzie. I'm the executive... 1149 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,438 I'm the executive producer of News Night. 1150 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,313 - Can you hear me okay? - Yes. 1151 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,234 Okay. Thanks for being patient with us. 1152 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,712 Will's just throwing on a jacket and tie and we'll be able to do this. 1153 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,029 - Real easy. - You got it. 1154 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:48,990 Hi, I'm a big fan. 1155 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:51,430 Hmm? 1156 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:52,556 I'm Sandy. 1157 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,757 How do you do? 1158 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,231 - Are we ready for the pre-tape? - Yeah. 1159 00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,113 - Just count me down. - Will. 1160 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,317 Yes, I'm sure I want to do this. 1161 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,911 God, please give me a sign I'm not doing a big thing badly. 1162 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,156 We just lost power. 1163 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,636 The whole building just lost power. 1164 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,236 I didn't know he had that kind of comic timing.