1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:02,001 [narrator] Previously on Sister Wives... 2 00:00:02,003 --> 00:00:04,069 [Robyn] Today we're going over to Meri's. 3 00:00:04,071 --> 00:00:07,973 I guess Kody has come up with very specific rules 4 00:00:07,975 --> 00:00:09,742 about how we get together as a family. 5 00:00:09,744 --> 00:00:11,210 I mean, we are doing most of these things, 6 00:00:11,212 --> 00:00:14,947 but we don't wipe our mail, we don't wipe our groceries. 7 00:00:14,949 --> 00:00:16,382 Janelle. [chuckling] Come on. 8 00:00:16,384 --> 00:00:18,083 No, I think this is overkill. 9 00:00:18,085 --> 00:00:21,053 I really feel like we have to make a choice. 10 00:00:21,055 --> 00:00:25,057 Do we see Kody, or do we do everything else? 11 00:00:25,059 --> 00:00:28,460 As a family, we really haven't spent much time together. 12 00:00:28,462 --> 00:00:30,095 It's lonely. 13 00:00:30,497 --> 00:00:32,765 Like, I live alone. 14 00:00:32,767 --> 00:00:35,601 [Kody] My relationship with Meri is not the kind of relationship 15 00:00:35,603 --> 00:00:38,070 where I talk with her everyday. 16 00:00:38,072 --> 00:00:41,507 [Christine] We are going to go to Aspyn and Mitch's for Thanksgiving. 17 00:00:41,509 --> 00:00:43,142 But we will be here for Christmas. 18 00:00:44,177 --> 00:00:46,612 - So, you're going to Utah? - [Christine] I think so, yeah. 19 00:00:46,614 --> 00:00:49,148 - And you're going to Utah? - [Janelle] Yes. 20 00:00:49,150 --> 00:00:50,949 [Kody] I'm sitting here with everybody sort of complaining to me 21 00:00:50,951 --> 00:00:53,619 about the rules and about, "We're not getting together." 22 00:00:53,621 --> 00:00:55,120 And then I say, "Well, let's go ahead 23 00:00:55,122 --> 00:00:57,322 and do what we need to do get back together." 24 00:00:57,324 --> 00:00:58,857 And everybody resists that. 25 00:00:58,859 --> 00:00:59,992 You don't think I'm aware? 26 00:00:59,994 --> 00:01:01,827 You don't think I'm being careful? 27 00:01:01,829 --> 00:01:03,262 I think you understand where I'm at, 28 00:01:03,264 --> 00:01:05,431 and I want you to just respect that. 29 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:07,966 Yeah, [bleep] off. 30 00:01:44,170 --> 00:01:45,804 Just a couple of days ago, 31 00:01:45,806 --> 00:01:47,606 everybody had come over to my house 32 00:01:47,608 --> 00:01:49,074 and we were having a conversation. 33 00:01:49,076 --> 00:01:52,211 And we're kind of talking about, like, COVID protocol and... 34 00:01:52,213 --> 00:01:55,147 I kind of made a joke, 35 00:01:55,149 --> 00:01:58,951 it kind of didn't go over very well. 36 00:01:58,953 --> 00:02:00,219 Let's look over the rules. 37 00:02:00,221 --> 00:02:02,054 I would love to see what rules you put in place. 38 00:02:02,056 --> 00:02:04,056 [Kody] Let's see what you've got. Um... 39 00:02:04,058 --> 00:02:06,959 [Meri] You know, those rules that you made up. 40 00:02:06,961 --> 00:02:08,694 - [chuckles softly] - [laughing] I'm just... 41 00:02:08,696 --> 00:02:10,996 [Kody] I just checked with our nanny 42 00:02:10,998 --> 00:02:11,897 and said, "What are you doing?" 43 00:02:11,899 --> 00:02:12,831 [Meri] Oh. 44 00:02:12,833 --> 00:02:14,566 I'm just gonna say it out loud, 45 00:02:14,568 --> 00:02:17,636 I know everybody is, like, suspicious of me. 46 00:02:17,638 --> 00:02:19,238 Well, just please stop. 47 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,073 - Please, realize that Kody-- - [Meri] That was a joke. 48 00:02:21,075 --> 00:02:23,242 Okay. 49 00:02:23,244 --> 00:02:26,912 Just realize that Kody has made these rules. 50 00:02:26,914 --> 00:02:28,113 So, we chatted for a minute, 51 00:02:28,115 --> 00:02:30,249 but we felt like we should probably 52 00:02:31,184 --> 00:02:33,218 dive into it a little bit deeper. 53 00:02:33,220 --> 00:02:36,822 Are you okay with me getting my germs on here? 54 00:02:36,824 --> 00:02:37,890 Yeah. [chuckles] 55 00:02:37,892 --> 00:02:39,291 Just spray it all off. 56 00:02:39,293 --> 00:02:41,693 Yeah, sure, something like that. 57 00:02:41,695 --> 00:02:42,928 I'm using one of her chairs 58 00:02:42,930 --> 00:02:44,530 and so, I'm like, "Wait, wait, 59 00:02:44,532 --> 00:02:46,098 I'm gonna get my germies on it 60 00:02:46,100 --> 00:02:48,934 and I haven't done my two-week quarantine yet." 61 00:02:48,936 --> 00:02:50,369 So, where do we wanna sit? 62 00:02:51,104 --> 00:02:52,004 It's, it... [sighs] 63 00:02:52,006 --> 00:02:53,005 The thing of it is, 64 00:02:53,007 --> 00:02:54,640 it's not like that it's stupid, 65 00:02:54,642 --> 00:02:57,109 it's not the quarantine 66 00:02:57,111 --> 00:02:59,344 and, like, being careful and all that stuff is stupid. 67 00:02:59,346 --> 00:03:00,746 I'm just tired of it. 68 00:03:00,748 --> 00:03:01,880 [grunts] 69 00:03:01,882 --> 00:03:04,249 Sorry I hit such a wall the other day. 70 00:03:04,251 --> 00:03:05,217 [Robyn sighs] 71 00:03:05,219 --> 00:03:08,086 That's okay. It's all right. 72 00:03:08,088 --> 00:03:09,321 And, like I said, 73 00:03:09,323 --> 00:03:12,758 I'm sorry that I misunderstood your joke. 74 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,226 [chuckles] 75 00:03:14,228 --> 00:03:19,198 I know that that joke was actually, in a weird way, 76 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,266 Meri showing me... 77 00:03:23,803 --> 00:03:25,204 sort of solidarity. 78 00:03:25,206 --> 00:03:28,874 It took me a second to, like, digest what she said 79 00:03:28,876 --> 00:03:30,742 'cause I was so sensitive about it. 80 00:03:30,744 --> 00:03:32,544 I know that Meri doesn't think 81 00:03:32,546 --> 00:03:34,813 that I'm sitting here just dictating these rules 82 00:03:34,815 --> 00:03:35,547 or something like that. 83 00:03:35,549 --> 00:03:37,082 I know that she's making fun 84 00:03:37,084 --> 00:03:38,116 of other people for thinking that. 85 00:03:38,118 --> 00:03:40,986 I feel like nobody gets me. 86 00:03:40,988 --> 00:03:43,956 Like, I feel like you, of anybody in the family, 87 00:03:45,158 --> 00:03:47,092 should get me and my jokes. 88 00:03:47,094 --> 00:03:48,527 And I'm like... 89 00:03:50,063 --> 00:03:53,532 "I thought we knew each other better than this." [laughs] 90 00:03:53,534 --> 00:03:55,734 She knows that I'm not out to get her. 91 00:03:55,736 --> 00:03:57,736 She knows that I have her back. 92 00:03:57,738 --> 00:04:02,107 I normally would have, I think, it's just, um, 93 00:04:02,109 --> 00:04:07,179 I've had one of the kids call me and ask me, 94 00:04:07,181 --> 00:04:11,783 "Can't we just relax the rules about COVID?" 95 00:04:11,785 --> 00:04:12,517 Da da da da da. 96 00:04:12,519 --> 00:04:15,954 And I was like, this... [laughs] 97 00:04:15,956 --> 00:04:20,025 I mean, I do wanna be careful, but these aren't my rules. 98 00:04:20,027 --> 00:04:22,394 You know, you gotta blame somebody, so... 99 00:04:23,196 --> 00:04:24,863 [clicks tongue] I'm an easy target. 100 00:04:24,865 --> 00:04:26,231 Like, I've been following the rules. 101 00:04:26,233 --> 00:04:28,133 - I've been doing what I needed to do. - Yeah. 102 00:04:28,135 --> 00:04:30,802 Because I wanted to get together 103 00:04:30,804 --> 00:04:32,271 with you guys, you know, I mean-- 104 00:04:32,273 --> 00:04:34,339 I am so grateful that 105 00:04:34,341 --> 00:04:36,174 we finally had the conversation. 106 00:04:36,176 --> 00:04:38,377 - [Meri] I don't know why-- - And figured it out... 107 00:04:38,379 --> 00:04:39,678 - [Meri] I'm sorry. - and laid it all out. 108 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,246 I am so sorry, Robyn, 109 00:04:41,248 --> 00:04:43,515 but I just think that's a bunch of BS. 110 00:04:44,083 --> 00:04:44,883 What do you mean? 111 00:04:44,885 --> 00:04:46,285 I think that, 112 00:04:46,287 --> 00:04:47,753 since I've been following the rules 113 00:04:47,755 --> 00:04:49,154 and you've been following the rules, 114 00:04:49,156 --> 00:04:50,789 I should've been able to your kids. 115 00:04:50,791 --> 00:04:51,890 I agree. 116 00:04:51,892 --> 00:04:54,126 - And I told him that. - And I think it's stupid... 117 00:04:54,128 --> 00:04:55,894 - He said that too. - [Meri] ...that he wasn't, you guys weren't... 118 00:04:55,896 --> 00:04:57,896 Or whoever, whoever... 119 00:04:57,898 --> 00:05:00,165 He would come to me and he would say, 120 00:05:00,167 --> 00:05:03,101 "I think Meri's okay to interact with you." 121 00:05:03,103 --> 00:05:05,103 I said, "I agree. 122 00:05:05,105 --> 00:05:08,273 But you need to figure out how to say it to everybody, 123 00:05:08,275 --> 00:05:10,942 so it's not, like, a major problem 124 00:05:10,944 --> 00:05:11,943 if people find out, 125 00:05:11,945 --> 00:05:12,844 we really don't have to hide it." 126 00:05:12,846 --> 00:05:14,012 Whatever it is. 127 00:05:14,014 --> 00:05:17,683 So, if we don't have, like, this group conversation, 128 00:05:17,685 --> 00:05:19,751 and then all of a sudden Meri and I 129 00:05:19,753 --> 00:05:21,553 are able to see each other, there's gonna be mutiny. 130 00:05:21,555 --> 00:05:22,654 You know what I'm saying? 131 00:05:22,656 --> 00:05:24,923 Like, that's not how you run a ship. [chuckles] 132 00:05:24,925 --> 00:05:27,459 I told him that over and over and over again. 133 00:05:27,461 --> 00:05:28,960 He's like, "No, we're just gonna do it." 134 00:05:28,962 --> 00:05:30,862 I said, "That's really not gonna work." 135 00:05:30,864 --> 00:05:33,231 - Why not? - [groans and laughs] 136 00:05:33,233 --> 00:05:36,868 I am so sorry, if there are rules laid out-- 137 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:39,204 But there wasn't like this. 138 00:05:39,206 --> 00:05:40,706 But it really doesn't matter 139 00:05:40,708 --> 00:05:42,574 because they're all getting together anyway. 140 00:05:42,576 --> 00:05:44,776 Janelle and Christine are getting together anyway 141 00:05:44,778 --> 00:05:45,911 and they're not following any rules, 142 00:05:45,913 --> 00:05:48,080 they're not social distancing. 143 00:05:48,082 --> 00:05:51,316 It's just one of those stupid situations of, you know, 144 00:05:51,318 --> 00:05:53,952 the people who are following the rules 145 00:05:53,954 --> 00:05:56,254 don't get rewarded for it. 146 00:05:56,256 --> 00:05:57,889 During COVID, there were a few times 147 00:05:57,891 --> 00:06:00,425 when Janelle and I got together. 148 00:06:00,427 --> 00:06:04,563 Uh, our kids just needed each other so badly. 149 00:06:04,565 --> 00:06:06,498 I mean, we would follow the CDC guidelines 150 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:08,934 prior to getting together, for sure. 151 00:06:08,936 --> 00:06:11,837 Because no one wants to give each other COVID, for heaven sakes. 152 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,138 This is so stupid. 153 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:15,607 - I just think-- - That's not how a family should operate. 154 00:06:15,609 --> 00:06:18,877 - This is... I am just... - [sighs] I know. 155 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:22,080 - Listen, I am frustrated with COVID... - [Robyn] Yeah. 156 00:06:22,082 --> 00:06:24,216 I am frustrated with being alone. 157 00:06:24,951 --> 00:06:26,118 It's just stupid. 158 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,285 You know, it's crazy, 159 00:06:27,287 --> 00:06:30,122 I just assumed that Meri was hanging out 160 00:06:30,124 --> 00:06:31,890 with Robyn and her kids. 161 00:06:31,892 --> 00:06:33,959 She's so careful, she would've been so careful. 162 00:06:33,961 --> 00:06:34,893 She doesn't see anybody, 163 00:06:34,895 --> 00:06:36,528 she doesn't have anybody in her house. 164 00:06:36,530 --> 00:06:38,764 And when I found out that she wasn't, 165 00:06:38,766 --> 00:06:39,898 it broke my heart. 166 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:42,000 'Cause I thought she should've the whole time. 167 00:06:42,101 --> 00:06:43,235 See, to me, I feel like 168 00:06:43,237 --> 00:06:46,238 if they match your risk tolerance, 169 00:06:46,973 --> 00:06:49,141 there shouldn't be any problems 170 00:06:49,143 --> 00:06:50,175 with getting together. 171 00:06:50,177 --> 00:06:54,045 So, I don't think it has to be all or nothing. 172 00:06:54,047 --> 00:06:56,214 I think you find your pod or whatever. 173 00:06:56,216 --> 00:06:59,284 I don't know how Christine and Janelle are handling this, 174 00:06:59,286 --> 00:07:01,219 'cause that's really I stressing me out. 175 00:07:01,221 --> 00:07:03,021 Know it's hard for you. 176 00:07:03,023 --> 00:07:05,991 I don't know, I just know that sometimes 177 00:07:05,993 --> 00:07:09,127 I've been told, I should say, I been told that 178 00:07:10,062 --> 00:07:11,263 you know, that kind of, 179 00:07:11,265 --> 00:07:14,166 that little devil on your shoulder as a sister wife, 180 00:07:14,168 --> 00:07:16,234 you're wondering if your sister wife 181 00:07:16,236 --> 00:07:19,704 that he's with is supporting your relationship. 182 00:07:19,706 --> 00:07:21,406 And I am. 183 00:07:22,341 --> 00:07:23,942 If you get too much in your head 184 00:07:23,944 --> 00:07:25,177 and you start making up stories 185 00:07:25,179 --> 00:07:27,979 about things you imagine are happening, 186 00:07:27,981 --> 00:07:31,016 that's a bad neighborhood in plural marriage. 187 00:07:31,018 --> 00:07:32,184 I don't think this is polygamy. 188 00:07:32,186 --> 00:07:34,286 I think that everybody has a little devil 189 00:07:34,288 --> 00:07:36,788 and an angel on their shoulder telling them, 190 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:38,089 you know, "They don't like you." 191 00:07:38,091 --> 00:07:39,157 You know, "They're against you. 192 00:07:39,159 --> 00:07:40,525 You should feel insecure and bad about this." 193 00:07:40,527 --> 00:07:42,093 Everybody has that. 194 00:07:42,095 --> 00:07:44,129 Honestly, if you don't, I don't think you're human. 195 00:07:44,131 --> 00:07:47,265 I think it's just a part of this life journey. 196 00:07:47,267 --> 00:07:50,135 I'm not gonna lie, there's been times that, 197 00:07:50,137 --> 00:07:52,537 you know, I've been jealous. 198 00:07:52,539 --> 00:07:53,972 You know, when I have felt like 199 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:55,740 that I needed, you know, 200 00:07:55,742 --> 00:07:57,909 some time that I didn't feel like I was getting. 201 00:07:57,911 --> 00:08:03,014 I mean, obviously, that was more in our early years. 202 00:08:03,016 --> 00:08:05,250 You know, obviously, mine and Kody's relationship 203 00:08:05,252 --> 00:08:07,419 is definitely different right now. 204 00:08:07,421 --> 00:08:08,854 And, yeah, that makes me sad. 205 00:08:08,856 --> 00:08:10,255 I don't feel jealous. 206 00:08:10,257 --> 00:08:13,558 I don't feel jealous of my sister wives at all right now. 207 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:14,993 It just makes me sad 208 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:16,862 that I don't have that relationship with him 209 00:08:16,864 --> 00:08:19,498 and that he's not willing to work on that with me. 210 00:08:20,132 --> 00:08:22,734 But I didn't sign up for monogamy. 211 00:08:22,736 --> 00:08:25,871 I mean, I know that every person in world 212 00:08:25,873 --> 00:08:27,873 would sit there and question that, 213 00:08:27,875 --> 00:08:30,575 but, like, I did not sign up to be in this family 214 00:08:30,577 --> 00:08:33,211 to only have Kody in my life. 215 00:08:33,213 --> 00:08:34,980 [stammers] It's just... 216 00:08:34,982 --> 00:08:36,915 Oh, gosh, I'm so tired of this. 217 00:08:36,917 --> 00:08:38,850 I'm so tired of this. 218 00:08:38,852 --> 00:08:40,218 I've been doing it for years. 219 00:08:40,220 --> 00:08:42,220 From day one, sitting here, 220 00:08:42,222 --> 00:08:44,856 begging to be a part of this family. 221 00:08:44,858 --> 00:08:46,258 And I'm tired of being questioned. 222 00:08:46,260 --> 00:08:48,193 I'm just tired of it. 223 00:08:49,028 --> 00:08:50,128 [sighs] 224 00:08:50,130 --> 00:08:53,832 As much as, um, I love Kody, 225 00:08:53,834 --> 00:08:55,734 and it's great to have him around, 226 00:08:55,736 --> 00:08:57,836 it is stressing me out. 227 00:08:57,838 --> 00:08:58,837 And I'm worried about the kids 228 00:08:58,839 --> 00:09:00,338 that aren't seeing their dad. 229 00:09:02,241 --> 00:09:04,376 Worried about the wives that aren't seeing Kody. 230 00:09:04,378 --> 00:09:05,477 Okay? 231 00:09:05,945 --> 00:09:08,013 Sorry I didn't... 232 00:09:08,015 --> 00:09:13,552 To me it was not at all pointing a finger. 233 00:09:13,554 --> 00:09:14,553 It gets frustrating. 234 00:09:14,555 --> 00:09:17,255 My mom calls me the Brown family scapegoat. 235 00:09:17,257 --> 00:09:18,557 [chuckles] 236 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,025 [sighs] Well... 237 00:09:20,027 --> 00:09:22,160 That's gotta be a hard position. 238 00:09:24,130 --> 00:09:25,497 I called my mom... 239 00:09:32,004 --> 00:09:34,072 And she just kind of chuckled. 240 00:09:34,074 --> 00:09:37,175 She's like, "Robyn, all they do is blame you for stuff." 241 00:09:37,177 --> 00:09:38,944 You're just their scapegoat. 242 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:41,846 You're the Brown family scapegoat. 243 00:09:41,848 --> 00:09:44,916 But, hey, at least you're part of the Brown family. 244 00:09:44,918 --> 00:09:47,085 [chuckling] Hey, don't say that to me. 245 00:09:47,087 --> 00:09:49,087 - [laughing] - [Robyn] All right? 246 00:09:49,089 --> 00:09:51,890 Do you know how hard it feels to be... 247 00:09:51,892 --> 00:09:55,026 Like, I am an outsider, Robyn. 248 00:09:55,028 --> 00:09:57,195 No, I don't feel like I'm part of the family. 249 00:09:57,197 --> 00:09:58,997 It's this weird thing, 250 00:09:58,999 --> 00:10:02,100 am I a sister wife when I don't have a husband? 251 00:10:02,102 --> 00:10:04,869 And I have a husband, technically. 252 00:10:04,871 --> 00:10:06,204 But do I? 253 00:10:06,206 --> 00:10:07,272 You know what I mean? 254 00:10:07,274 --> 00:10:09,040 So, it's a really weird... 255 00:10:10,810 --> 00:10:12,010 It's weird. 256 00:10:12,012 --> 00:10:14,012 He says and does things 257 00:10:14,014 --> 00:10:15,747 that really make me hope sometimes. 258 00:10:15,749 --> 00:10:17,148 Like, "Oh, I need to go see Meri." 259 00:10:17,150 --> 00:10:19,784 Or, "Oh, I need to go call Meri." 260 00:10:19,786 --> 00:10:22,053 - Like-- - Forgive me for being cynical, 261 00:10:22,055 --> 00:10:23,922 but it's really nice that he's says it to you. 262 00:10:23,924 --> 00:10:26,191 It would be nice if he would follow through 263 00:10:26,193 --> 00:10:27,859 and actually call me sometimes. [chuckles] 264 00:10:27,861 --> 00:10:29,260 - Or come over and say hi. - He calls you. 265 00:10:29,262 --> 00:10:31,329 He calls you, I see him calling you sometimes. 266 00:10:31,331 --> 00:10:33,331 Listen, he told me... 267 00:10:36,135 --> 00:10:39,004 that we can be friends. 268 00:10:39,006 --> 00:10:40,271 He said that? 269 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,374 And that's all. 270 00:10:43,042 --> 00:10:45,710 Yeah, but that's a door opened. 271 00:10:45,712 --> 00:10:47,579 - Okay. - That's a little bit of a door opened. 272 00:10:47,581 --> 00:10:50,181 She's mourning the relationship that she had, 273 00:10:50,183 --> 00:10:53,218 the relationship lost, the marriage that she'd lost. 274 00:10:53,220 --> 00:10:55,520 And I understand, I validate it, it's sad. 275 00:10:56,389 --> 00:10:57,255 But I don't know 276 00:10:57,257 --> 00:10:59,424 that it's ever gonna be what it was. 277 00:10:59,426 --> 00:11:01,292 But it could be something new. 278 00:11:01,294 --> 00:11:05,397 You know, I mean, I'll just keep doing it and... 279 00:11:06,098 --> 00:11:08,566 Yeah, do. Yeah, that's good. 280 00:11:08,934 --> 00:11:09,801 That's good. 281 00:11:09,869 --> 00:11:14,239 It's really, really easy to love Kody. 282 00:11:14,241 --> 00:11:18,810 It's not easy to not feel the love from him. 283 00:11:18,812 --> 00:11:21,079 But all I can do, I feel like, 284 00:11:21,081 --> 00:11:25,350 is just keep sharing and showing how I feel. 285 00:11:25,352 --> 00:11:28,553 I'm technically still his wife. 286 00:11:28,555 --> 00:11:30,255 So, I... 287 00:11:30,257 --> 00:11:32,390 I'll just keep saying those things. 288 00:11:33,025 --> 00:11:36,194 [sighs] I tell you, Robyn, 289 00:11:36,196 --> 00:11:39,831 that conversation the other day made so sad. 290 00:11:39,833 --> 00:11:42,834 Like, we were not a family, like, everybody's ready to go 291 00:11:42,836 --> 00:11:44,102 and do their own thing for the holidays. 292 00:11:44,104 --> 00:11:45,570 And I'm like, 293 00:11:45,572 --> 00:11:48,740 "This isn't the family that I signed up for." 294 00:11:48,742 --> 00:11:50,008 - Yeah. - And... 295 00:11:50,010 --> 00:11:51,643 Sitting there in that conversation, 296 00:11:51,645 --> 00:11:54,279 everybody didn't seem like they wanted it. 297 00:11:55,281 --> 00:11:58,149 When we were younger, when our kids were younger, 298 00:11:58,151 --> 00:12:00,185 we worked together. 299 00:12:00,187 --> 00:12:01,453 We did it together. 300 00:12:01,987 --> 00:12:03,488 It's been years. 301 00:12:04,990 --> 00:12:06,791 You know, we really started getting comfortable 302 00:12:06,793 --> 00:12:08,893 just doing our own thing. 303 00:12:08,895 --> 00:12:10,862 There's like a wedge in between us. 304 00:12:10,864 --> 00:12:14,766 It was really weird, but I felt like the idea 305 00:12:14,768 --> 00:12:18,369 of what I thought the family was isn't real or something. 306 00:12:18,371 --> 00:12:20,772 It was really, really weird. 307 00:12:20,774 --> 00:12:22,040 And really hard. 308 00:12:23,008 --> 00:12:27,245 Did I just make up this lie about the family 309 00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:30,548 and what our culture was and the team that we had? 310 00:12:30,550 --> 00:12:32,117 Did I just make it up in my head 311 00:12:32,119 --> 00:12:35,019 because I wanted it so badly? 312 00:12:35,021 --> 00:12:37,555 Nobody's fighting for our family right now, 313 00:12:37,557 --> 00:12:39,958 I think, honestly, except for you and me. 314 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,027 I will tell you, I hate that we're in this place 315 00:12:43,029 --> 00:12:44,095 that we have to fight for it. 316 00:12:44,097 --> 00:12:47,232 But I feel like that where we're at. [sniffles] 317 00:12:47,234 --> 00:12:50,034 These relationships, these family relationships, 318 00:12:50,036 --> 00:12:51,369 aren't important anymore. 319 00:12:52,671 --> 00:12:54,172 That's how it's coming across to me 320 00:12:54,174 --> 00:12:59,410 And it's really, really, uh... It's really making me sad. 321 00:13:03,682 --> 00:13:06,417 I was so overwhelmed that I had no words. 322 00:13:06,419 --> 00:13:07,752 And I'm like, "Okay, I'm leaving before I say 323 00:13:07,754 --> 00:13:09,087 something really stupid." [chuckles] 324 00:13:09,089 --> 00:13:11,122 [Janelle] So, here's one of the perks of sister wives, 325 00:13:11,124 --> 00:13:12,857 if you're having a problem with your husband, 326 00:13:12,859 --> 00:13:14,526 sometimes they can completely relate. 327 00:13:14,528 --> 00:13:16,161 [Christine] Janelle needs support. 328 00:13:16,163 --> 00:13:18,029 There's a bit of choosing sides 329 00:13:18,031 --> 00:13:21,432 and there's a bit of hard decisions that being made. 330 00:13:33,212 --> 00:13:36,114 You know, I'm actually circling back with Christine 331 00:13:36,116 --> 00:13:39,117 after our last conversation as the adults 332 00:13:39,119 --> 00:13:40,885 about what we're gonna do for Thanksgiving. 333 00:13:40,887 --> 00:13:41,986 [objects clattering] 334 00:13:41,988 --> 00:13:44,856 - Hey. - [Christine] Hey, Janelle. 335 00:13:44,858 --> 00:13:46,124 It's such a mess. You never know how messy it is 336 00:13:46,126 --> 00:13:47,892 - until people come over. - I know. 337 00:13:47,894 --> 00:13:50,228 After, um, the conversation that all the adults 338 00:13:50,230 --> 00:13:51,563 had about the holidays, 339 00:13:51,565 --> 00:13:52,797 you know, where Janelle walked off, 340 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:54,532 Janelle called me and she's, like, 341 00:13:54,534 --> 00:13:56,134 she was just so frustrated with the whole thing. 342 00:13:56,136 --> 00:13:59,971 And I said, "Just come on over and let's just talk about it." 343 00:13:59,973 --> 00:14:01,172 How do you feel about the other day? 344 00:14:01,174 --> 00:14:02,540 Oh, yeah. Well... 345 00:14:04,143 --> 00:14:05,043 I find... I left 346 00:14:05,045 --> 00:14:06,578 'cause I was just kind of like... 347 00:14:06,580 --> 00:14:09,013 I was so overwhelmed that I had no words. 348 00:14:09,015 --> 00:14:10,715 And I'm like, "Okay, I'm leaving before I say 349 00:14:10,717 --> 00:14:12,317 something really stupid." [chuckles] 350 00:14:12,319 --> 00:14:14,085 I was being treated like a child. 351 00:14:14,087 --> 00:14:16,554 It was offensive and I walked away. 352 00:14:16,556 --> 00:14:18,723 'Cause I thought, "I don't want to be treated like this." 353 00:14:18,725 --> 00:14:19,824 You know, it was like, 354 00:14:19,826 --> 00:14:21,025 I'm like, "Wow, where is this coming from?" 355 00:14:21,027 --> 00:14:22,193 'Cause at first you're like, 356 00:14:22,195 --> 00:14:23,828 "Make your own decision," and then it was like... 357 00:14:23,830 --> 00:14:24,963 "You're being irresponsible." 358 00:14:24,965 --> 00:14:26,097 - [laughs] - [Christine] I'm like, 359 00:14:26,099 --> 00:14:28,132 "Well, that pushes my buttons, actually." 360 00:14:28,134 --> 00:14:30,134 - That pushes my buttons. - [Christine] I know. 361 00:14:30,136 --> 00:14:32,937 Um, so, here's one of the perks of sister wives. 362 00:14:32,939 --> 00:14:34,072 [laughs] 363 00:14:34,074 --> 00:14:35,740 If you're having a problem with your husband, 364 00:14:35,742 --> 00:14:37,342 sometimes they can completely relate. 365 00:14:37,344 --> 00:14:41,212 And you're like, "Yup, I have comradery here." 366 00:14:41,214 --> 00:14:42,146 As soon as he said it, 367 00:14:42,148 --> 00:14:44,148 "You can be irresponsible or responsible," 368 00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:46,284 I'm like, "You can be judgmental and be an [bleep]. 369 00:14:46,286 --> 00:14:48,219 [both laugh] 370 00:14:48,221 --> 00:14:50,154 Janelle needs support. 371 00:14:50,156 --> 00:14:53,658 She's been isolated from Kody a lot. 372 00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:57,028 She doesn't do the travelling like I've done. 373 00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:58,796 And their relationship is good. 374 00:14:58,798 --> 00:15:00,798 They like spending time with each other. 375 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,133 So, I think it's devastating. 376 00:15:02,135 --> 00:15:05,703 I felt like, I have felt like that so many times 377 00:15:05,705 --> 00:15:07,071 during the summer because there's been 378 00:15:07,073 --> 00:15:08,940 so many times where we've gone to play. 379 00:15:08,942 --> 00:15:10,008 Mmm-hmm. 380 00:15:10,010 --> 00:15:11,509 I mean, we had to go see my kids. 381 00:15:11,511 --> 00:15:13,912 We would go see my kids in Utah 382 00:15:13,914 --> 00:15:15,947 and then we'd see Maddie and Caleb in North Carolina. 383 00:15:15,949 --> 00:15:18,316 And then we'd come home and tell Kody and, 384 00:15:18,318 --> 00:15:20,752 um, he always thought that was a bad idea. 385 00:15:20,754 --> 00:15:23,187 But we're gonna do it. 386 00:15:23,189 --> 00:15:26,190 I'm like, "I'm sorry, it's not enough just to have 387 00:15:26,192 --> 00:15:28,159 Kody come over for a few hours a week 388 00:15:28,161 --> 00:15:31,162 to have us stay here for that." 389 00:15:31,164 --> 00:15:32,563 - It's not worth it. - [Janelle] Yeah. 390 00:15:32,565 --> 00:15:34,198 He was like, "I don't think you should go anywhere." 391 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,900 And I'm like, "Well, I am." 392 00:15:35,902 --> 00:15:40,038 So, Kody will come over once every, like, three days, 393 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,340 um, for like, dinner, like in the evening. 394 00:15:42,342 --> 00:15:45,209 And, then he'll just get on his phone... 395 00:15:45,211 --> 00:15:46,978 He'll play games with Truely. 396 00:15:46,980 --> 00:15:48,546 He will play games with Truely. 397 00:15:48,548 --> 00:15:50,181 Um, but then in the morning, 398 00:15:50,183 --> 00:15:51,883 he'll eat breakfast, then leave again. 399 00:15:51,885 --> 00:15:53,818 And then we won't see him at all 400 00:15:53,820 --> 00:15:56,554 until the next time he's there in the evening again. 401 00:15:56,556 --> 00:15:57,922 So, just... 402 00:15:57,924 --> 00:16:00,091 That's just the routine that he's been following 403 00:16:00,093 --> 00:16:02,060 since we came to Flagstaff. 404 00:16:02,062 --> 00:16:04,062 Yeah, I was... I mean, I had to go help Maddie. 405 00:16:04,064 --> 00:16:05,763 - I had to-- - Yep. Yep. 406 00:16:05,765 --> 00:16:08,099 So, it was kind of, like, I had to weigh 407 00:16:08,101 --> 00:16:11,235 between the needs of, uh, my kids and then, you know... 408 00:16:11,237 --> 00:16:15,340 And it's just because we have a different standard of rules. 409 00:16:15,342 --> 00:16:16,541 - I guess. - [Christine] I know. 410 00:16:16,543 --> 00:16:19,544 I mean, I miss him. I think it's horrible 411 00:16:19,546 --> 00:16:20,912 that he doesn't come over 412 00:16:20,914 --> 00:16:23,548 or hasn't come over very often this summer. 413 00:16:23,550 --> 00:16:26,117 If I had to choose between my kid and Kody, 414 00:16:26,119 --> 00:16:27,652 I'm gonna choose my kids. 415 00:16:27,654 --> 00:16:28,786 I just am. 416 00:16:28,788 --> 00:16:30,021 Well, Thanksgiving, it was so funny 417 00:16:30,023 --> 00:16:31,756 when we were talking to you, you said, 418 00:16:31,758 --> 00:16:34,292 "Well, basically, my boys wanna do whatever Christine does." 419 00:16:34,294 --> 00:16:35,059 I'm, like-- [chuckles] 420 00:16:35,061 --> 00:16:36,060 They really did. 421 00:16:36,062 --> 00:16:37,295 It came right down to it, they're like, 422 00:16:37,297 --> 00:16:38,229 "We're gonna do what Christine does." 423 00:16:38,231 --> 00:16:39,931 I'm like, "Okay." 424 00:16:39,933 --> 00:16:42,900 So, when Janelle said that for her kids, 425 00:16:42,902 --> 00:16:45,136 you know, what they were gonna do for Thanksgiving 426 00:16:45,138 --> 00:16:46,971 was dependent on Christine, 427 00:16:46,973 --> 00:16:48,606 it hurt my feelings. 428 00:16:48,608 --> 00:16:50,074 It made me sad. 429 00:16:50,076 --> 00:16:54,045 Uh, I can only imagine how much it bothered Kody. 430 00:16:54,213 --> 00:16:56,180 Well, what about all of us? 431 00:16:56,182 --> 00:16:58,850 What about the rest of us, you know? 432 00:16:58,852 --> 00:17:01,619 I didn't know this much responsibility was on my choice. 433 00:17:01,621 --> 00:17:03,921 I mean, I'm sorry for then 434 00:17:03,923 --> 00:17:06,057 making it so Janelle's not gonna be here too. 435 00:17:06,059 --> 00:17:07,792 'Cause it sounds like I'm kind of the theme. 436 00:17:07,794 --> 00:17:09,627 - No. No. - But I don't feel guilty. 437 00:17:09,629 --> 00:17:12,030 I chose right for what I need to do. 438 00:17:12,032 --> 00:17:14,665 Kody gave us the rules that we needed to follow 439 00:17:14,667 --> 00:17:16,801 in order to get together for the holidays. 440 00:17:16,803 --> 00:17:20,104 And I showed them to Aspyn and Mykelti, 441 00:17:20,106 --> 00:17:21,939 and Aspyn called me immediately 442 00:17:21,941 --> 00:17:23,341 and she's in tears. 443 00:17:23,343 --> 00:17:25,743 And she goes, "I can't follow these rules. 444 00:17:25,745 --> 00:17:26,978 It's impossible." 445 00:17:26,980 --> 00:17:28,579 She goes, "Since I can't come for Christmas, 446 00:17:28,581 --> 00:17:29,914 that's absolutely ridiculous. 447 00:17:29,916 --> 00:17:31,949 I can't believe' I can't see my family. 448 00:17:31,951 --> 00:17:33,851 So, I need you to come for Thanksgiving." 449 00:17:33,853 --> 00:17:34,952 Well, if anything, 450 00:17:34,954 --> 00:17:37,121 we could hang out for Thanksgiving. 451 00:17:37,123 --> 00:17:38,222 That's what I'm thinking too. 452 00:17:38,224 --> 00:17:40,825 - 'Cause, like, right now-- - I want your pie. 453 00:17:40,827 --> 00:17:43,127 She and I are both trying to be responsible. 454 00:17:43,129 --> 00:17:45,196 We're gonna just play it by ear. 455 00:17:45,198 --> 00:17:46,731 If whether we go, and if we go, 456 00:17:46,733 --> 00:17:49,534 if we actually get together as a whole big group. 457 00:17:49,536 --> 00:17:52,503 I actually think Christine and I's Thanksgiving would way more fun. 458 00:17:53,439 --> 00:17:55,006 And my boys, we have got... 459 00:17:55,008 --> 00:17:56,707 They've had a boring life. 460 00:17:56,709 --> 00:17:58,009 - Really? - [Janelle] You know what I mean? 461 00:17:58,011 --> 00:18:00,178 No, I mean, like, life has been kind of boring. 462 00:18:00,180 --> 00:18:01,846 So, they're kind of excited 463 00:18:01,848 --> 00:18:04,816 to have this excursion or whatever. 464 00:18:04,818 --> 00:18:07,018 You know, I keep trying to explain to everybody 465 00:18:07,020 --> 00:18:10,021 that I'm not gonna leave my boys, Garrison and Gabriel, 466 00:18:10,023 --> 00:18:12,223 alone for Thanksgiving here in Flagstaff. 467 00:18:12,225 --> 00:18:14,792 Why would I choose to have dinner 468 00:18:14,794 --> 00:18:17,862 with just Robyn's kids and Meri 469 00:18:17,864 --> 00:18:20,932 and Robyn and Kody when my boys are in town? 470 00:18:20,934 --> 00:18:22,366 Like, Robyn's been, 471 00:18:22,368 --> 00:18:25,770 I don't know how she's been able to have her kids be okay 472 00:18:25,772 --> 00:18:26,671 with not leaving, 473 00:18:26,673 --> 00:18:28,706 'cause I wouldn't have survived. 474 00:18:28,708 --> 00:18:31,909 It's not been easy being so careful. 475 00:18:31,911 --> 00:18:33,711 And it hasn't been easy for my kids, 476 00:18:33,713 --> 00:18:36,681 but my kids respect their dad. 477 00:18:36,683 --> 00:18:41,085 They're just like, "No, I would rather be able to be in the home 478 00:18:41,087 --> 00:18:44,021 and see you guys than to go out and social life. 479 00:18:44,023 --> 00:18:46,991 That's not what I wanna do, and I don't think it's safe." 480 00:18:46,993 --> 00:18:49,093 I had to find the balance for my mental health too. 481 00:18:49,095 --> 00:18:52,130 I'm like... I was like, that first month, 482 00:18:52,132 --> 00:18:55,099 those first two or three, four weeks that Kody was gone, 483 00:18:55,101 --> 00:18:56,567 I had a really hard time. 484 00:18:56,569 --> 00:18:58,569 The big accomplishment for the day 485 00:18:58,571 --> 00:19:00,938 is if I got showered and put on real clothes. 486 00:19:00,940 --> 00:19:02,140 'Cause I was really struggling. 487 00:19:02,142 --> 00:19:04,008 So, the first two or three weeks, 488 00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:05,810 you know, everybody was trying to stay home. 489 00:19:05,812 --> 00:19:06,577 'Cause we were told, 490 00:19:06,579 --> 00:19:07,411 "Stay home for two weeks, 491 00:19:07,413 --> 00:19:08,713 we'll get on top of the curve." 492 00:19:08,715 --> 00:19:09,780 Okay, so, I was doing that. 493 00:19:09,782 --> 00:19:11,716 Like, flatten the curve, whatever. 494 00:19:11,718 --> 00:19:13,751 And it was worst than postpartum. 495 00:19:13,753 --> 00:19:15,253 And I had postpartum after Gabriel, 496 00:19:15,255 --> 00:19:17,155 so I know it was worse than postpartum. 497 00:19:17,157 --> 00:19:18,589 To be responsible, 498 00:19:18,591 --> 00:19:20,791 we'll just figure out how we get together 499 00:19:20,793 --> 00:19:23,761 based on what the numbers and everything look like. 500 00:19:23,763 --> 00:19:25,763 I think so too. I think we have to play it by ear. 501 00:19:25,765 --> 00:19:27,865 I'd love to say we're gonna get together 100%, 502 00:19:27,867 --> 00:19:29,100 but there's no way I can guarantee it. 503 00:19:29,102 --> 00:19:32,670 I think it's typical in a plural family 504 00:19:32,672 --> 00:19:35,039 for the sister wives to have ups and downs. 505 00:19:35,041 --> 00:19:37,742 I've seen times with Janelle and Christine 506 00:19:37,744 --> 00:19:39,010 where they've been really close. 507 00:19:39,012 --> 00:19:41,879 I've also seen times that, you know, 508 00:19:41,881 --> 00:19:44,248 it's not quite so much that way. 509 00:19:44,250 --> 00:19:48,152 And I think the point is to get to a place 510 00:19:48,154 --> 00:19:49,086 that you can work together 511 00:19:49,088 --> 00:19:50,988 and that you have each other's backs. 512 00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:53,124 So, if this is what they're doing right now, 513 00:19:53,126 --> 00:19:54,559 I think it's great. 514 00:19:54,561 --> 00:19:55,793 Like, since the beginning, 515 00:19:55,795 --> 00:19:57,028 you been such a big part of their lives. 516 00:19:57,030 --> 00:20:00,898 My kids, like, they kind of are in orbit around you 517 00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:02,233 as much as they're in orbit around me. 518 00:20:02,235 --> 00:20:04,001 - It's kind of fun, right? - Yeah. 519 00:20:04,003 --> 00:20:05,203 [Christine] It's super, super fun. 520 00:20:05,205 --> 00:20:06,971 But there's a really special something 521 00:20:06,973 --> 00:20:09,774 for me with my kids about Christine. 522 00:20:09,776 --> 00:20:13,044 She was their primary parental figure at home 523 00:20:13,046 --> 00:20:15,146 for so many years while I worked. 524 00:20:15,914 --> 00:20:18,216 So they are really attached to her. 525 00:20:18,218 --> 00:20:19,650 I just love her kids. 526 00:20:19,652 --> 00:20:21,886 They're just part of my soul. 527 00:20:21,888 --> 00:20:25,189 And I love spending time with all of them. 528 00:20:25,191 --> 00:20:27,925 So, if we could get together for any time during the whole weekend 529 00:20:27,927 --> 00:20:30,795 that be just absolutely wonderful. 530 00:20:30,797 --> 00:20:33,798 No, my kids were all like, "Oh, they were the same way with you 531 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,066 -in the conversation." I'm like-- -[Janelle chuckles] 532 00:20:35,068 --> 00:20:36,901 and I threw it out there too. I'm like, 533 00:20:36,903 --> 00:20:38,603 "Well, Janelle's thinking about going to Utah," they're like... 534 00:20:38,605 --> 00:20:41,572 - "Well, then, let's go to Utah." - [Janelle chuckles] 535 00:20:41,574 --> 00:20:44,942 Ysabel and Gwendlyn are obsessed with Janelle. They're obsessed with her. 536 00:20:44,944 --> 00:20:47,044 They think that she's like the strongest, most independent, 537 00:20:47,046 --> 00:20:48,813 courageous woman that they know 538 00:20:48,815 --> 00:20:51,115 and when they found out that Janelle was like, 539 00:20:51,117 --> 00:20:53,884 doing her thing, going off to her sisters', they were like, 540 00:20:53,886 --> 00:20:57,088 "Yeah. She's so cool and independent." 541 00:20:57,090 --> 00:20:58,689 - [chuckles] All right. - Awesome. 542 00:20:58,691 --> 00:21:00,658 - All right. - See you later. Bye. 543 00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:02,793 [Christine] There's a bit of choosing sides. 544 00:21:02,795 --> 00:21:08,065 Janelle and I going and doing our own thing for Thanksgiving is really hard on everybody. 545 00:21:08,067 --> 00:21:11,569 And the thing is, I can't always please everybody. 546 00:21:11,571 --> 00:21:14,772 I can't. And I can't always please all the adults. 547 00:21:14,774 --> 00:21:17,675 I'm gonna please my kids instead. 548 00:21:17,677 --> 00:21:20,177 You know, I'm doing this for my kids. 549 00:21:25,183 --> 00:21:30,988 I need to let my kids know that we're not all going to be together for Thanksgiving. 550 00:21:31,056 --> 00:21:32,456 [Aurora sniffles] 551 00:21:37,796 --> 00:21:41,032 [Robyn] I'm just worried about if it's going to start making them, like, 552 00:21:41,034 --> 00:21:44,068 stop wanting to be around the family and stuff because 553 00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:46,170 they don't care to be around us. 554 00:21:54,646 --> 00:21:57,114 [Meri] Well, it is Sunday... 555 00:21:57,116 --> 00:22:01,585 and I am on way over to Robyn's 'cause I get to go see the kids. 556 00:22:01,587 --> 00:22:03,054 I am so excited. 557 00:22:03,056 --> 00:22:07,825 I've seen them from a distance but not been able to hug them. 558 00:22:07,827 --> 00:22:10,928 I've been begging Robyn and Kody for a really long time, 559 00:22:10,930 --> 00:22:13,864 for months and months, I feel like, 560 00:22:13,866 --> 00:22:16,934 to be able to come over and see them. 561 00:22:16,936 --> 00:22:19,170 And now that we've had this conversation 562 00:22:19,172 --> 00:22:22,440 between all of us, and we all know the protocol... 563 00:22:23,742 --> 00:22:24,708 we can do it. 564 00:22:24,843 --> 00:22:28,112 Meri and I have been counting down the days 565 00:22:28,114 --> 00:22:30,648 when she can come over to my house. 566 00:22:30,650 --> 00:22:33,084 [Robyn] She had to go do one more thing at the B&B, 567 00:22:33,086 --> 00:22:34,852 and then she quarantined for ten days. 568 00:22:34,854 --> 00:22:36,987 I haven't told my kids a thing. 569 00:22:36,989 --> 00:22:39,990 It's going to be a fun surprise for them today. 570 00:22:39,992 --> 00:22:43,894 [in sing-song voice] I'm here. I'm going to see the kiddos. 571 00:22:43,896 --> 00:22:46,497 I'm so excited. 572 00:22:46,499 --> 00:22:51,802 So, we've been very, very careful through this whole pandemic. 573 00:22:51,804 --> 00:22:55,906 But they haven't really been around a lot of anybody else besides just, 574 00:22:55,908 --> 00:23:00,044 you know, us, our families. So-- or my part of the family. 575 00:23:00,046 --> 00:23:02,880 And we're very affectionate, and it's a really big deal 576 00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:05,549 being able to hug and touch someone else. 577 00:23:05,551 --> 00:23:08,986 It's been hard for them, but they've had a good attitude. 578 00:23:08,988 --> 00:23:11,389 [knocking on door] 579 00:23:11,857 --> 00:23:12,857 Why is she here? 580 00:23:12,859 --> 00:23:15,126 [Dayton] Should I let her in? 581 00:23:15,128 --> 00:23:17,294 [Robyn] Yeah, let her in. You want to go let her in, Sol? 582 00:23:17,296 --> 00:23:18,129 [Solomon] Yeah. 583 00:23:18,131 --> 00:23:19,697 [Aurora] Let her in? 584 00:23:19,699 --> 00:23:23,401 - Yep. Yep, you can touch her. - [Aurora] Wait, what? Really? 585 00:23:23,403 --> 00:23:25,169 [Solomon exclaims] I can touch her! 586 00:23:25,171 --> 00:23:27,238 Hi, Meri! 587 00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:33,043 [all exclaiming, laughing] 588 00:23:33,045 --> 00:23:35,079 [Sol] Meri! 589 00:23:35,081 --> 00:23:37,848 [Ariella] I can't believe that you are here. 590 00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:39,183 [Aurora crying] 591 00:23:41,353 --> 00:23:43,220 - [Aurora laughs] - [Ariella] I missed you. 592 00:23:43,222 --> 00:23:46,524 [Dayton exclaims] 593 00:23:48,660 --> 00:23:51,462 I'm just glad that this is finally happening. 594 00:23:51,464 --> 00:23:53,931 It's just been a really, really long time, 595 00:23:53,933 --> 00:23:58,035 and it's just not normal and natural for family to be separated like this. 596 00:23:58,037 --> 00:24:00,237 And I've missed hugs from these kids, 597 00:24:00,239 --> 00:24:02,373 and I've missed hanging out with them. 598 00:24:02,375 --> 00:24:05,743 Everybody, give me a group hug! 599 00:24:05,745 --> 00:24:07,812 Group hug! 600 00:24:07,814 --> 00:24:11,415 I want all the group hugs. All the group hugs. 601 00:24:12,384 --> 00:24:14,318 [Ariella] Ouch. Ow. 602 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,586 Ari, Ari. 603 00:24:16,021 --> 00:24:17,154 [Meri giggles] 604 00:24:17,289 --> 00:24:20,524 [Robyn] You know, I can see that Meri is, like, 605 00:24:20,526 --> 00:24:21,892 starting to get emotional, 606 00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:26,330 and she's trying not to make it a big deal, 'cause that's Meri. 607 00:24:26,332 --> 00:24:30,734 [Robyn] But I can only imagine after so long of just not being able to 608 00:24:30,736 --> 00:24:35,072 be around people, to sit there and just be hugged by a whole bunch of kids that love you. 609 00:24:35,074 --> 00:24:38,809 The other night we were watching Mom's home videos 610 00:24:38,811 --> 00:24:43,013 from when she was 19 and 20 on the VCR 611 00:24:43,015 --> 00:24:45,483 and there was a couple of them where 612 00:24:45,485 --> 00:24:47,985 - she was like-- - [Meri] Wait, you guys have VCR still? 613 00:24:53,024 --> 00:24:56,227 - He just told me that you can breakdance. - [exclaiming] 614 00:24:56,229 --> 00:24:57,661 - [Robyn] He can? - What? 615 00:24:57,663 --> 00:25:00,030 - He just told me you can breakdance. - [Robyn laughs] 616 00:25:00,032 --> 00:25:03,701 I did not know that Robyn was a breakdancer. 617 00:25:03,703 --> 00:25:05,436 She's been holding out on me! [chuckles] 618 00:25:05,438 --> 00:25:07,571 - [Solomon] Andrew. - [Breanna grunts] 619 00:25:07,573 --> 00:25:10,875 - She was getting down low. - [Dayton] Wait, when did this happen? I haven't seen her. 620 00:25:10,877 --> 00:25:13,577 I don't know if "breakdancing" is the right word. 621 00:25:13,579 --> 00:25:14,745 I had a few moves. 622 00:25:14,747 --> 00:25:17,214 [instrumental music playing] 623 00:25:23,088 --> 00:25:24,221 - I can do it. - [Meri whistles] 624 00:25:24,556 --> 00:25:26,857 [Meri] Is that what your Mom was doing on the video? 625 00:25:26,859 --> 00:25:30,027 Wow, that's fun. 626 00:25:30,029 --> 00:25:34,031 I didn't do that. So, I didn't-- I wasn't doing the spinning. 627 00:25:34,033 --> 00:25:36,300 [hip-hop instrumental music continuing] 628 00:25:45,076 --> 00:25:47,478 [Robyn] I was about 18 years old 629 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,548 and I was doing some, like, music videos 630 00:25:50,550 --> 00:25:53,250 and we were watching 'em, it was really fun. The kids were loving it. 631 00:25:53,252 --> 00:25:56,787 And it's making me so happy that you're here! 632 00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:59,623 It makes me so happy that I'm here too. 633 00:25:59,625 --> 00:26:02,192 - [Meri giggles] - Oh, I love it! 634 00:26:02,194 --> 00:26:04,962 [sighs in relief] It was so nice to have Meri over. 635 00:26:04,964 --> 00:26:08,566 [Robyn] We talked and we played and we hung out and we ate. 636 00:26:08,568 --> 00:26:10,668 It was just really, really nice. 637 00:26:10,670 --> 00:26:14,271 And I can tell this is going to be a regular thing for us. 638 00:26:17,842 --> 00:26:21,078 It does feel like your whole family is together! 639 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,581 Well, some of us, not all of us, 640 00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:25,950 - but this is good enough for now. - Sol! 641 00:26:25,952 --> 00:26:29,320 You know, it just-- it really, really does warm my heart 642 00:26:29,322 --> 00:26:36,260 knowing that I am... as important to them as they are to me. 643 00:26:40,131 --> 00:26:41,699 [Meri] Robyn call me. 644 00:26:41,701 --> 00:26:45,002 She says, "I'd kind of like to try making a turkey." 645 00:26:45,004 --> 00:26:47,705 How do I do Thanksgiving without doing the turkey? 646 00:26:47,707 --> 00:26:51,275 -I brought something. I hope you're not mad at me. -Oh, my gosh, no. 647 00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:56,880 [Kody] There is a tendency to be vying for power or position. 648 00:26:56,882 --> 00:27:02,419 I never want to see my wives sharing a kitchen, ever. 649 00:27:13,665 --> 00:27:15,299 [Robyn] Hey, kids. 650 00:27:15,301 --> 00:27:18,569 Can you guys come in the living room so I can talk to you guys? 651 00:27:18,571 --> 00:27:23,841 I need to let my kids know that we're not all going to be together for Thanksgiving, 652 00:27:23,843 --> 00:27:27,911 and that Janelle and Christine have decided to go up north. 653 00:27:27,913 --> 00:27:33,851 I'm frustrated by it and I am sad and I'm actually kind of hurt, 654 00:27:33,853 --> 00:27:35,786 but I need to let 'em know. 655 00:27:35,788 --> 00:27:39,023 Dad put together, um... 656 00:27:39,025 --> 00:27:45,796 a list of all the things that each household has to do 657 00:27:45,798 --> 00:27:50,034 in order to-- in order for the whole family to be able to get together. 658 00:27:50,036 --> 00:27:54,138 - [Ariella sighs] - [Robyn] Basically, Janelle said that 659 00:27:54,140 --> 00:27:58,575 her household aren't-- They're not able to follow those rules. 660 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,647 [Robyn] Um... 661 00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:06,850 - [Dayton] Well-- - I don't-- I don't know exactly like, 662 00:28:06,852 --> 00:28:09,653 what is really going on. I know that 663 00:28:09,655 --> 00:28:13,691 Gabe has a girlfriend and a social life, 664 00:28:13,693 --> 00:28:17,127 but Janelle basically just said that her and her kids that are living in her home 665 00:28:17,129 --> 00:28:19,730 are actually going to travel to Utah 666 00:28:19,732 --> 00:28:23,267 and go have Thanksgiving at her sister's house. 667 00:28:24,202 --> 00:28:26,103 - [Dayton] Okay. - [Ariella yawns] 668 00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:29,840 I'm just worried about how it's going to make them feel. 669 00:28:29,842 --> 00:28:32,843 If it's going to start making them be bitter and stop, 670 00:28:32,845 --> 00:28:36,013 you know, wanting to be around the family and stuff because 671 00:28:36,015 --> 00:28:38,082 they don't care to be around us. 672 00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:41,385 [Robyn] Um, Christine... 673 00:28:41,387 --> 00:28:47,157 has decided as well to go to Utah and have Thanksgiving at Aspyn's house. 674 00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:01,572 [Ariella yawns] 675 00:29:01,574 --> 00:29:04,141 [Robyn] I didn't want to go, "No, that's not true, that's not true," 676 00:29:04,143 --> 00:29:07,745 because there is truth to what Aurora is saying. 677 00:29:07,747 --> 00:29:10,013 I'm not going to lie to her. 678 00:29:10,015 --> 00:29:14,151 I think Christine actually wants 679 00:29:14,153 --> 00:29:17,121 to be able to kind of get together. 680 00:29:17,123 --> 00:29:22,092 I think she just decided that she would rather go to 681 00:29:22,094 --> 00:29:23,193 - Aspyn's. - Aspyn's. 682 00:29:23,195 --> 00:29:28,599 Honestly, yes, I mean, that's very natural for a mom 683 00:29:28,601 --> 00:29:31,702 to want to go see her kids that have moved out. 684 00:29:31,704 --> 00:29:35,205 You can't really do that [laughs] in a plural family. 685 00:29:35,207 --> 00:29:37,741 Where is Kody supposed to go? 686 00:29:37,743 --> 00:29:39,576 Janelle wants to go to this kid's house. 687 00:29:39,578 --> 00:29:41,111 Christine wants to go to this kid's house. 688 00:29:41,113 --> 00:29:42,913 Meri wants to go to Mariah's house. 689 00:29:42,915 --> 00:29:46,917 Even once my kids are grown and out of house... 690 00:29:46,919 --> 00:29:49,686 [stammering] it's going to be the same thing. 691 00:29:49,688 --> 00:29:53,991 As a plural family, you have to do things differently. 692 00:29:53,993 --> 00:29:58,262 [Robyn] Um, Meri has decided to come have Thanksgiving with us. 693 00:29:58,264 --> 00:29:59,963 Really? 694 00:29:59,965 --> 00:30:01,398 - [Dayton] Wow. - [Breanna chuckles] 695 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,167 [Dayton] Kudos to her. 696 00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:06,370 I'm really sad that we aren't going to be all together for Thanksgiving, 697 00:30:06,372 --> 00:30:08,605 but I can't like, dwell on that. 698 00:30:08,607 --> 00:30:11,041 I have to sort of... 699 00:30:11,043 --> 00:30:14,144 rally the troops, I guess you'd say, and like, 700 00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:18,115 be the keeper of the good morale. 701 00:30:20,251 --> 00:30:21,251 [Aurora sniffles] 702 00:30:26,558 --> 00:30:27,958 [Aurora sniffles] 703 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,028 [Robyn] I don't want them to feel sad and rejected, 704 00:30:31,030 --> 00:30:32,896 but I don't know how they couldn't. 705 00:30:32,898 --> 00:30:35,299 That's how I feel. [chuckles softly] 706 00:30:35,301 --> 00:30:40,671 You know, and I'm trying to be big about it and kind of mature about it 707 00:30:40,673 --> 00:30:42,940 but it's hard for me too. 708 00:31:00,191 --> 00:31:03,093 So, today is Thanksgiving and Meri is coming over to Robyn's house 709 00:31:03,095 --> 00:31:05,596 to have Thanksgiving with Robyn and our kids. 710 00:31:05,598 --> 00:31:08,899 The weirdest thing is Christine and Janelle are both in Utah 711 00:31:08,901 --> 00:31:12,870 with other family members having Thanksgiving there. 712 00:31:12,872 --> 00:31:17,875 [Kody] So, they were choosing to go do their Thanksgiving other places, and here we are, 713 00:31:17,877 --> 00:31:21,078 literally just eight of us for Thanksgiving. 714 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,347 [Meri] Oh, you snuck some grapes? You snook? 715 00:31:23,349 --> 00:31:25,182 - [Ariella] Mmm-hmm. - You snook the grapes? 716 00:31:25,184 --> 00:31:26,249 [Ariella] Mmm-hmm. 717 00:31:26,251 --> 00:31:29,553 Typically for Thanksgiving, I do the turkey because, 718 00:31:29,555 --> 00:31:33,657 well, I just know how to make a really good turkey. 719 00:31:33,659 --> 00:31:37,261 [Meri] Christine typically does the rolls. 720 00:31:37,263 --> 00:31:39,730 Janelle would usually bring a couple of pies. 721 00:31:39,732 --> 00:31:41,999 Robyn always does the relish trays. 722 00:31:42,001 --> 00:31:45,135 So, we all just have different things that we bring. 723 00:31:45,137 --> 00:31:48,805 Well, Robyn called me and she brought up-- 724 00:31:48,807 --> 00:31:53,944 Well, I think she was very nervous that it was going to be kind of a touchy subject. 725 00:31:53,946 --> 00:31:57,281 She says, "I'd kinda like to try making a turkey." 726 00:31:57,283 --> 00:31:59,216 "And how would you feel about it? And I'm like, 727 00:31:59,218 --> 00:32:02,019 "I'm great with it. Do it. I don't care." 728 00:32:02,021 --> 00:32:03,620 Um, but to be honest with you, 729 00:32:03,622 --> 00:32:06,990 it was a little bit weird. I was thinking about it, it's like, how do I... 730 00:32:06,992 --> 00:32:10,027 How do I do Thanksgiving without doing the turkey? 731 00:32:10,029 --> 00:32:12,930 Like, I always do a turkey. How do I do this? 732 00:32:12,932 --> 00:32:15,899 Like, I don't know what to do [chuckles] with myself. 733 00:32:15,901 --> 00:32:18,068 So, I still had to do a turkey. 734 00:32:18,836 --> 00:32:20,003 I did a turkey. 735 00:32:20,005 --> 00:32:22,539 - I brought something. - Oh, yeah? 736 00:32:22,541 --> 00:32:25,375 - Robyn, I hope you're not mad at me. - Oh, my gosh. 737 00:32:25,377 --> 00:32:26,443 [Robyn] What? 738 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:29,913 [Robyn] What? 739 00:32:30,081 --> 00:32:33,917 I don't know what kind of sister wife thing might've gone on. 740 00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:35,819 I don't know if there was a little rub. 741 00:32:35,821 --> 00:32:37,487 Robyn's kind of wide-eyed. 742 00:32:37,489 --> 00:32:39,556 But I know Robyn and her personality. 743 00:32:39,558 --> 00:32:42,993 I think she's going to roll with this, but she's wide-eyed. 744 00:32:42,995 --> 00:32:45,796 - I had to bring a turkey. - [Robyn] Okay. [laughs] 745 00:32:45,798 --> 00:32:48,565 [Robyn] I'm just kind of like, "Huh, okay," 746 00:32:48,567 --> 00:32:51,435 You know, I'm just kind of surprised, but I'm easy about it. 747 00:32:52,537 --> 00:32:53,837 - Oh, my God! - [laughing] 748 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:57,808 [Dayton] Wait a second. Wait, what is that? Oh, my God. 749 00:32:57,810 --> 00:33:00,711 -[...] Don't touch it! Don't touch it! -[...] That's so fun. 750 00:33:00,713 --> 00:33:03,480 [Meri] Kody loves Rice Krispie Treats, and I thought 751 00:33:03,482 --> 00:33:06,183 I need to make a Rice Krispie Treat turkey. 752 00:33:06,185 --> 00:33:08,719 Isn't that the cutest thing you've ever seen? 753 00:33:08,721 --> 00:33:11,421 It's a Rice Krispie Treat turkey... 754 00:33:11,423 --> 00:33:14,758 and with candy stuffing. It's just funny. 755 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,328 Hey, wait! Before you eat all of it, I want everybody to be able to get a picture of it. 756 00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:21,064 [Robyn] Oh, she's teasing me. She's totally teasing me. 757 00:33:21,165 --> 00:33:22,165 It's cute. 758 00:33:22,167 --> 00:33:24,067 - That's really cute. - I had to. 759 00:33:24,069 --> 00:33:25,869 - I had to do a turkey. - Yeah. 760 00:33:25,871 --> 00:33:28,038 Yeah, it's quiet here. 761 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,773 [Kody] If Meri would've done this with the whole family here 762 00:33:29,775 --> 00:33:31,908 it would've been the noisiest thing. 763 00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:33,810 Everybody would've been whooping and hollering. 764 00:33:33,812 --> 00:33:36,780 We've had lot of crazy Thanksgivings. 765 00:33:36,782 --> 00:33:40,684 One year in Las Vegas, we had a lot of extended family, 766 00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:45,322 and I think we must've had 79 or 80 people at that Thanksgiving. 767 00:33:45,324 --> 00:33:50,427 It filled the entire room with people and tables. 768 00:33:51,396 --> 00:33:53,130 [Kody] That's fun. 769 00:33:53,132 --> 00:33:55,532 [murmuring] 770 00:33:55,534 --> 00:33:57,067 [Kody] It's quiet here. 771 00:33:57,069 --> 00:33:58,402 It's been peaceful. 772 00:33:59,704 --> 00:34:01,138 [Ariella] It's not the side. 773 00:34:01,140 --> 00:34:02,906 [Kody] It's great having Meri around. 774 00:34:02,908 --> 00:34:05,575 We don't have a strained relationship. 775 00:34:05,577 --> 00:34:08,178 We just don't have a full marriage. 776 00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:10,447 Through this entire process 777 00:34:10,449 --> 00:34:14,651 of what happened with the catfishing to where we are now, 778 00:34:14,653 --> 00:34:20,957 I'm basically just trying to have a good, amicable relationship with Meri. 779 00:34:20,959 --> 00:34:23,994 But this-- It's no more than that. It's not a marriage. 780 00:34:25,696 --> 00:34:28,365 Well, I don't feel like I need to make a big batch. 781 00:34:28,367 --> 00:34:30,867 I'm really comfortable here with Robyn in her kitchen. 782 00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:33,937 [overlapping chatter] 783 00:34:33,939 --> 00:34:35,906 I just don't need to use that much gravy. 784 00:34:35,908 --> 00:34:39,576 Meri and I actually work really well in a kitchen together. 785 00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:42,646 Um, I don't know [chuckles]-- I don't know how it would be if we lived together 786 00:34:42,648 --> 00:34:44,815 and shared a kitchen but [laughs]... 787 00:34:44,817 --> 00:34:49,052 But when we work together for holidays, we actually work really well together. 788 00:34:49,054 --> 00:34:52,122 [overlapping chatter] 789 00:34:54,725 --> 00:34:57,194 I would never again, for the rest of my life, 790 00:34:57,196 --> 00:35:00,197 ever want to have wives sharing a kitchen. 791 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,533 There is a tendency, from what I've seen, 792 00:35:03,535 --> 00:35:07,571 to be vying for power or position 793 00:35:07,573 --> 00:35:11,074 or relinquishing power and position to get along. 794 00:35:11,076 --> 00:35:15,212 And so personally, I, out of just knowing women's nature, 795 00:35:15,214 --> 00:35:19,082 I don't give a damn about what polygamists believe 796 00:35:19,084 --> 00:35:21,551 about what you should do with wives 797 00:35:21,553 --> 00:35:24,154 to make them grow and become celestial. 798 00:35:24,156 --> 00:35:29,559 I never want to see my wives sharing a kitchen, ever. 799 00:35:34,565 --> 00:35:37,033 To our family. 800 00:35:37,035 --> 00:35:38,535 To the corona-pocalypse. 801 00:35:39,103 --> 00:35:40,237 [all] Cheers. 802 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,206 [Meri] I really feel sad that Janelle and Christine 803 00:35:43,208 --> 00:35:44,541 didn't find it important enough 804 00:35:44,543 --> 00:35:48,078 to spend Thanksgiving with this part of the family. 805 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,548 [Robyn] No, seriously though, thank you all for coming. I'm excited. 806 00:35:51,550 --> 00:35:56,186 I'm just glad that I didn't let COVID control my life. 807 00:36:05,229 --> 00:36:07,230 I will do whatever you taught me to do, woman. 808 00:36:07,232 --> 00:36:09,332 [Christine] That's my favorite thing you've ever said... 809 00:36:09,334 --> 00:36:11,101 I was talking to Aspyn. 810 00:36:11,103 --> 00:36:13,737 [Christine] For Thanksgiving this year, Gwendlyn, Ysabel, Truely and I 811 00:36:13,739 --> 00:36:16,173 went to Aspyn and Mitch's house in Utah. 812 00:36:16,175 --> 00:36:18,608 -What is this? And what is it used for? -It's a baster. 813 00:36:18,610 --> 00:36:20,243 It's part of a baster. 814 00:36:20,745 --> 00:36:22,846 [Christine] Originally Janelle and I were going to do Thanksgiving together 815 00:36:22,848 --> 00:36:24,814 but it just didn't work out. 816 00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:28,018 We really felt like it was too much of a COVID risk, to be completely honest. 817 00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:29,452 - Want to know something fun? - Yeah. 818 00:36:32,557 --> 00:36:35,425 Wait till you become an outie. 819 00:36:35,427 --> 00:36:36,459 [Christine] So, Mykelti is like, 820 00:36:36,461 --> 00:36:38,061 I don't know, four and a half, five months along. 821 00:36:38,063 --> 00:36:42,098 She's definitely showing. She popped right out super fast. 822 00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:46,203 So, you can see her belly button in her shirt. It's so cute! 823 00:36:46,205 --> 00:36:49,072 I love you. And I love you. 824 00:36:49,074 --> 00:36:51,875 [singing] ♪ I love you ♪ 825 00:36:51,877 --> 00:36:55,812 Ysabel has a really special relationship with everybody here. 826 00:36:55,814 --> 00:36:59,416 Um, she had her scoliosis surgery a couple of months ago, 827 00:36:59,418 --> 00:37:02,686 and she's still in a crazy amount of pain. 828 00:37:02,688 --> 00:37:06,256 She just doesn't feel good. She's uncomfortable. Sitting's really difficult. 829 00:37:06,258 --> 00:37:08,225 And here she is just being sweet. 830 00:37:08,227 --> 00:37:11,394 - [Christine] All right. - Oh, my gosh. Yes. 831 00:37:11,762 --> 00:37:13,930 That looks good. 832 00:37:13,932 --> 00:37:18,969 We're just having so much fun, and it's so relaxing and so wonderful. 833 00:37:18,971 --> 00:37:21,004 I could definitely get used to this. 834 00:37:21,006 --> 00:37:21,905 Not saying anything. 835 00:37:21,907 --> 00:37:25,075 We're missing Ysabel. 836 00:37:25,077 --> 00:37:27,711 [Christine] I think part of the reason this is so nice 837 00:37:27,713 --> 00:37:32,916 and pleasant and easy going is because it's super stressful at home. 838 00:37:32,918 --> 00:37:36,152 - I'm thankful everyone could come. - You're welcome, Mitchell. 839 00:37:36,154 --> 00:37:39,022 I'm thankful everyone can be here for Thanksgiving. 840 00:37:39,024 --> 00:37:40,390 [Christine] Things are hard at home. 841 00:37:40,392 --> 00:37:45,095 So, I think part of the reason why this Thanksgiving is so nice 842 00:37:45,097 --> 00:37:49,266 is because I can just leave all of the problems and leave all the stress 843 00:37:49,268 --> 00:37:51,268 and just have it be easy. 844 00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:53,136 [indistinct conversation] 845 00:37:53,138 --> 00:37:55,839 [Robyn] No, seriously though, thank you all for coming. I'm excited. 846 00:37:55,841 --> 00:37:57,540 [Christine] The relationship that I have with my kids 847 00:37:57,542 --> 00:37:59,309 is the most important relationship that I have. 848 00:37:59,311 --> 00:38:03,013 I'm grateful that I was able to see them this year. 849 00:38:03,015 --> 00:38:08,018 I'm just glad that I didn't let COVID control my life. 850 00:38:09,587 --> 00:38:12,222 [Janelle] Hey, so we're going to sit here and have 851 00:38:12,224 --> 00:38:15,759 Thanksgiving for the first time not with the family, right? 852 00:38:15,761 --> 00:38:18,995 [Janelle] So, I, for the first time in many years, went and had Thanksgiving 853 00:38:18,997 --> 00:38:21,931 with my sister in Utah. 854 00:38:21,933 --> 00:38:24,734 [Janelle] Do you guys remember a time that we had Thanksgiving... 855 00:38:24,736 --> 00:38:26,803 - Oh. - No. 856 00:38:26,805 --> 00:38:29,639 No, it's never been like this. [chuckles] 857 00:38:29,641 --> 00:38:30,907 Stupid COVID. 858 00:38:30,909 --> 00:38:34,811 The reality was, I didn't even think to call Kody or anybody 859 00:38:34,813 --> 00:38:37,981 'cause I was really having a great time with my family. 860 00:38:37,983 --> 00:38:40,984 We were busy. We were busy doing all the... 861 00:38:40,986 --> 00:38:44,554 the fun things that are in Utah at the holidays. 862 00:38:44,556 --> 00:38:48,124 We did video chat Robyn's house for Thanksgiving. 863 00:38:48,126 --> 00:38:50,760 So, we did touch base with everybody, at least that way. 864 00:38:50,762 --> 00:38:53,196 [Kody] Ari, hey, will you give me a sweet smile? 865 00:38:53,198 --> 00:38:57,267 I would like you to look in that camera and give a sweet smile, please. 866 00:38:57,269 --> 00:38:59,569 This is special for Mommy and I. 867 00:38:59,571 --> 00:39:02,839 It's just us and it's small, and it is quiet. 868 00:39:02,841 --> 00:39:08,812 There is some simplicity to that. It's a marked difference. 869 00:39:08,814 --> 00:39:15,285 And it definitely like, kind of a prick to my heart that not everybody's here. 870 00:39:21,225 --> 00:39:22,892 - Absolutely. - [Robyn laughs] 871 00:39:22,894 --> 00:39:24,861 Absolutely. 872 00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:29,899 [Meri] I really feel sad that Janelle and Christine didn't find it important enough 873 00:39:29,901 --> 00:39:33,970 to spend Thanksgiving with this part of the family. 874 00:39:33,972 --> 00:39:38,241 I could've chosen to go do Thanksgiving with my mom or Mariah. 875 00:39:38,243 --> 00:39:42,612 Because I chose this family doesn't mean that my mom or my daughter 876 00:39:42,614 --> 00:39:44,748 is any less important. 877 00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:50,253 This is just where I want to be and need to be for... 878 00:39:50,255 --> 00:39:52,455 such an important family holiday. 879 00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:54,257 [Kody] So, I... 880 00:39:59,997 --> 00:40:04,734 COVID has been [stammering] such a strain on the family, 881 00:40:04,736 --> 00:40:07,704 and everybody here at this table 882 00:40:07,706 --> 00:40:13,610 has been really easy on me about my rules for COVID, 883 00:40:13,612 --> 00:40:19,849 and the contrast has been one of those things that has really just made me aware 884 00:40:19,851 --> 00:40:24,888 of those who are loyal to me and those who are not. 885 00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:28,458 It's as much respect as it is loyalty, I suppose. 886 00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:31,394 How you love a man is to respect him. 887 00:40:31,396 --> 00:40:35,799 And so I'm sitting here just appreciating where I'm at and who's with me. 888 00:40:35,801 --> 00:40:37,167 [Janelle] Hey, here we are. 889 00:40:37,169 --> 00:40:39,369 Having Thanksgiving. 890 00:40:39,371 --> 00:40:42,038 Alone. With our other family. 891 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,608 There's all this discussion about loyalty and respect. 892 00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:49,012 And I thought in marriage that was mutual. 893 00:40:49,014 --> 00:40:51,948 I thought you were supposed to give it both ways. 894 00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:56,853 Not just that all the respect and all the loyalty flows to one person. 895 00:40:56,855 --> 00:41:02,192 This isn't me choosing to not be with Kody, Meri, Robyn and Robyn's kids. 896 00:41:02,194 --> 00:41:06,696 We will not ever be compliant enough for their rules. 897 00:41:06,698 --> 00:41:08,898 - [all] Cheers! - [glasses clinking] 898 00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:12,969 [Christine] Thanksgiving at Aspyn and Mitch's house was lovely. 899 00:41:12,971 --> 00:41:15,972 It was cozy and no drama. 900 00:41:15,974 --> 00:41:17,807 It was really, really great. 901 00:41:17,809 --> 00:41:20,543 To our family. 902 00:41:20,545 --> 00:41:24,481 To the corona-pocalypse, which has made us appreciate family more. 903 00:41:25,015 --> 00:41:29,085 - [all] Cheers! - [glasses clinking] 904 00:41:29,087 --> 00:41:32,155 [Kody] It's just really actually very peaceful. 905 00:41:32,556 --> 00:41:34,691 It's quiet, it's easy. 906 00:41:34,693 --> 00:41:37,026 But I'm not saying that that's what I want. 907 00:41:37,028 --> 00:41:40,430 You want a easy life, be a monogamist. 908 00:41:41,332 --> 00:41:44,300 [indistinct conversation] 909 00:41:45,202 --> 00:41:46,703 [narrator reading] 910 00:41:46,705 --> 00:41:49,138 [Janelle] My mom passed away last night. 911 00:41:49,140 --> 00:41:51,908 I'm sort of stunned and I'm sort of at a loss. 912 00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:53,376 [Kody] Gabriel, don't just blame Mom. 913 00:41:53,378 --> 00:41:55,111 - You guys had your own [indistinct] - No, I'm not. No. 914 00:41:55,113 --> 00:41:56,913 No, I want to take some responsibility here. 915 00:41:56,915 --> 00:41:58,114 [bleeps] 916 00:41:58,116 --> 00:41:59,215 Why are you upset? 917 00:41:59,217 --> 00:42:01,150 [Kody] It makes me mad at myself 918 00:42:01,152 --> 00:42:05,088 that I haven't been more in charge. 919 00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:09,759 COVID has sort of pulled this blanket off of some of our issues. 920 00:42:09,761 --> 00:42:10,927 I actually think so too. 921 00:42:10,929 --> 00:42:13,229 These things were there before this. 922 00:42:13,231 --> 00:42:16,199 I've caught myself in the last few weeks kind of reflecting. 923 00:42:16,201 --> 00:42:18,201 Do I still choose plural marriage? 924 00:42:19,637 --> 00:42:22,071 It's Christmas Day! 925 00:42:22,073 --> 00:42:25,408 It was just really, really, fun to just actually 926 00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:28,378 be together and just hanging out with everyone.