1 00:00:01,134 --> 00:00:02,334 [narrator] Previously on Sister Wives... 2 00:00:02,336 --> 00:00:04,503 I've been waiting for you, honestly. 3 00:00:04,505 --> 00:00:05,771 And I'm not coming. 4 00:00:05,773 --> 00:00:07,206 I know that. 5 00:00:07,208 --> 00:00:08,774 You know Kody and I, 6 00:00:08,776 --> 00:00:11,043 we had a conversation recently that 7 00:00:11,045 --> 00:00:13,178 it just kind of came down to that... 8 00:00:14,381 --> 00:00:16,081 we're friends. 9 00:00:16,083 --> 00:00:19,718 My relationship with Meri is not the kind of relationship where 10 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,620 I'm going to talk with her everyday. 11 00:00:21,622 --> 00:00:23,655 And my best guess is 12 00:00:23,657 --> 00:00:26,025 that her sister wives don't feel like having 13 00:00:26,027 --> 00:00:28,293 an interaction with her daily either. 14 00:00:28,295 --> 00:00:31,063 I'm not going anywhere. You're all stuck with me. 15 00:00:31,065 --> 00:00:32,097 [chuckles] 16 00:00:33,633 --> 00:00:37,369 So we follow these rules in my house, 17 00:00:37,371 --> 00:00:40,372 we'll be able to get together for Christmas day. 18 00:00:40,374 --> 00:00:41,707 Are you the head of the family? 19 00:00:43,610 --> 00:00:45,677 I don't have a head wife in this family. 20 00:00:49,049 --> 00:00:52,251 Meri, I can't be married to Kody anymore. I don't wanna... 21 00:00:52,253 --> 00:00:55,287 - Just look at the mountain. - I don't wanna do it anymore. 22 00:00:55,289 --> 00:00:58,323 I never wanted to be... 23 00:00:58,325 --> 00:01:00,426 so estranged and have 24 00:01:00,428 --> 00:01:03,062 extremely limited physical contact. 25 00:01:03,064 --> 00:01:05,664 Not even hand holding. It's just sad. 26 00:01:42,635 --> 00:01:45,504 [Janelle] You know, one of the really sad things that has happened 27 00:01:45,506 --> 00:01:47,406 with all of this covid, 28 00:01:47,408 --> 00:01:49,441 is that my boys they view their dad 29 00:01:49,443 --> 00:01:51,844 as little bit antagonistic now. 30 00:01:51,846 --> 00:01:54,213 So I think it has hurt their relationship. 31 00:01:54,848 --> 00:01:56,181 Hi, honey. 32 00:01:56,183 --> 00:01:57,749 What do you want done here, Janelle? 33 00:01:57,751 --> 00:01:58,650 Do you want me to just... 34 00:01:58,652 --> 00:02:00,352 Like you see. No, uh no. 35 00:02:00,354 --> 00:02:02,387 See the branches that were all knocked down? 36 00:02:02,389 --> 00:02:04,857 -Cause like... -Why don't I trim these too. Why don't I get them... 37 00:02:04,859 --> 00:02:08,026 I guess if you want to. Just so they don't hit the car when we back out. 38 00:02:08,028 --> 00:02:09,795 Kody used to have just this 39 00:02:09,797 --> 00:02:12,564 smooth and easy relationship with all his kids. 40 00:02:12,566 --> 00:02:15,567 They always wanted to seek him out and talk to him. 41 00:02:15,569 --> 00:02:17,769 But he doesn't come over to the house, 42 00:02:17,771 --> 00:02:20,272 except for something like this where we're outside. 43 00:02:20,274 --> 00:02:23,041 Because of covid, it is fundamentally changed 44 00:02:23,043 --> 00:02:24,076 things. Yeah. 45 00:02:25,578 --> 00:02:26,645 Okay. 46 00:02:26,647 --> 00:02:28,447 This right here, all we... I don't want you 47 00:02:28,449 --> 00:02:30,749 to trim it all cause I like this. 48 00:02:30,751 --> 00:02:33,685 So, Kody passed out all these rules. 49 00:02:33,687 --> 00:02:39,191 Written down, that supposedly, he and Robyn and, you know, their nanny follow 50 00:02:39,193 --> 00:02:42,361 So that-- I don't know. 51 00:02:42,363 --> 00:02:46,064 So that all the risks are over compensated for, whatever. 52 00:02:47,433 --> 00:02:52,771 You were asking why our nanny was able to hang out with our kids, 53 00:02:52,773 --> 00:02:54,506 and none of the other kids could. 54 00:02:54,508 --> 00:02:56,008 I basically have wrote down the rules 55 00:02:56,010 --> 00:02:57,843 - that we have for our nanny. - Okay. 56 00:02:57,845 --> 00:03:01,313 I really don't have a problem with following this list of requirements. 57 00:03:01,315 --> 00:03:03,649 We'll do it for a while, so we can hang out, 58 00:03:03,651 --> 00:03:07,319 but, like, we have things coming up and things that we're doing, 59 00:03:07,321 --> 00:03:08,987 so I'm not gonna follow it all the time. 60 00:03:08,989 --> 00:03:10,322 Yeah, I mean, some of these are great, 61 00:03:10,324 --> 00:03:13,258 but clean mail with alcohol wipes? I mean it's-- 62 00:03:13,260 --> 00:03:15,928 You can mock it or you can find way. 63 00:03:15,930 --> 00:03:19,965 I was really glad that we finally had that conversation. It was a long time coming. 64 00:03:19,967 --> 00:03:23,235 You know now, I can make a plan 65 00:03:23,237 --> 00:03:26,471 to get together with Robyn and her kids. 66 00:03:26,473 --> 00:03:31,243 I haven't really been able to interact with the kids since covid. 67 00:03:31,245 --> 00:03:33,212 It's been like, what, six or eight months. 68 00:03:33,214 --> 00:03:34,413 I don't even know. 69 00:03:34,415 --> 00:03:36,782 Okay, so basically then Kody, I don't think it's 70 00:03:36,784 --> 00:03:38,550 gonna ever work for us all to get together. 71 00:03:38,552 --> 00:03:40,385 Listen, these are the rules 72 00:03:40,387 --> 00:03:41,753 for me to be able to come to your house. 73 00:03:41,755 --> 00:03:43,388 Those are different set rules. 74 00:03:43,390 --> 00:03:45,657 These the rules for us to be able to actually 75 00:03:45,659 --> 00:03:48,060 associate as family. 76 00:03:48,062 --> 00:03:49,661 All right, let's get this to a normal path. 77 00:03:49,663 --> 00:03:51,496 I need to talk to your dad. 78 00:03:52,198 --> 00:03:53,699 Kicking me out of outside? 79 00:03:53,701 --> 00:03:56,435 I'm having a conversation with you guys a little bit later. 80 00:03:56,437 --> 00:03:59,638 I just felt like maybe I could have acted a little bit better. 81 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:00,973 And I just want to make sure that 82 00:04:00,975 --> 00:04:03,141 he and I are good, I need to clear the air. 83 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:07,512 Honey, I... I owe you an apology. Um... 84 00:04:07,514 --> 00:04:10,315 You know the other day when you rolled out the rules, 85 00:04:10,317 --> 00:04:14,219 I freaked out because I'm doing most of those things. 86 00:04:14,221 --> 00:04:17,623 But there was a couple extra steps that I'm not doing, 87 00:04:17,625 --> 00:04:20,926 that somehow just made me feel like I couldn't breathe. 88 00:04:20,928 --> 00:04:22,327 Like it was too much. 89 00:04:22,329 --> 00:04:24,429 Like, you know, I'm doing everything. 90 00:04:24,431 --> 00:04:27,332 I'm hand sanitizing, washing my hands, 91 00:04:27,334 --> 00:04:29,167 social distancing, wearing a mask. 92 00:04:29,169 --> 00:04:32,838 But there were some extra things like wiping down your groceries, 93 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:35,474 leaving your mail outside for 24 hours. 94 00:04:35,476 --> 00:04:39,411 Like it just feels like a little bit, like I'm being held a prisoner. 95 00:04:39,413 --> 00:04:42,748 So, you're saying that 96 00:04:42,750 --> 00:04:45,484 you thought it was a problem, but it's not a problem now. 97 00:04:45,486 --> 00:04:48,153 I'm still struggling with it, but, you know, 98 00:04:48,155 --> 00:04:51,590 I'll do what we need to do for Christmas. 99 00:04:51,592 --> 00:04:54,293 It's what you and Robyn have embraced. 100 00:04:54,295 --> 00:04:56,962 - And... - What's with I see fitting, 101 00:04:57,764 --> 00:05:00,465 and Robyn's compliant to. 102 00:05:00,467 --> 00:05:01,733 -Yeah -I think it's... 103 00:05:01,735 --> 00:05:03,735 easy for her simply because 104 00:05:03,737 --> 00:05:06,138 she sees the value in protecting our family. 105 00:05:06,140 --> 00:05:10,008 This value statement all the time is what he throws at me, all the time. 106 00:05:10,010 --> 00:05:13,578 'Cause she sees the value in doing what I think... 107 00:05:13,580 --> 00:05:16,581 and then like okay, that's great that all her children are home. 108 00:05:16,583 --> 00:05:17,916 That's great. 109 00:05:17,918 --> 00:05:19,951 Like that's great. She doesn't have to make any hard decisions, 110 00:05:19,953 --> 00:05:24,556 her kids all stays home. 'Cause she's so compliant. She's so... 111 00:05:24,558 --> 00:05:28,026 She sees the value and I'm like dude my life is really different. 112 00:05:28,028 --> 00:05:29,428 I've really struggled 113 00:05:29,430 --> 00:05:31,363 with my mental health through this thing. 114 00:05:31,365 --> 00:05:34,433 Don't you think that'll improve if I'm able to be home? 115 00:05:34,435 --> 00:05:37,636 If Garrison and Gabriel can cease their social lives, 116 00:05:37,638 --> 00:05:39,004 then I can come home. 117 00:05:39,006 --> 00:05:42,941 Garrison is very close to being able to save his down payment. 118 00:05:42,943 --> 00:05:45,344 If I can give him three more months at home, 119 00:05:46,412 --> 00:05:48,580 and he's not really that social anyway. 120 00:05:48,582 --> 00:05:51,283 Garrison is really the reason that Kody is staying away right now. 121 00:05:51,285 --> 00:05:54,319 And Garrison is actually been home for the last six or eight months 122 00:05:54,321 --> 00:05:57,389 saving his money like crazy 'cause he wants to buy a house. 123 00:05:57,391 --> 00:06:00,859 I'm not gonna kick him out, this close to that goal. 124 00:06:00,861 --> 00:06:06,231 I mean, for you to feel like you could come back here, it's about all of those rules. 125 00:06:06,233 --> 00:06:08,367 The alcohol, groceries and everything? 126 00:06:08,369 --> 00:06:12,871 I'm making all the sacrifices and I'm asking everybody else 127 00:06:12,873 --> 00:06:15,307 to simply meet that level of sacrifice 128 00:06:15,309 --> 00:06:17,509 so that this family can exist. 129 00:06:17,511 --> 00:06:21,279 So you would have it so that we don't go to the grocery store... 130 00:06:21,281 --> 00:06:22,848 You can go to the grocery store. 131 00:06:22,850 --> 00:06:25,751 Make it one person, you socially distance while you're there, 132 00:06:25,753 --> 00:06:27,652 you come home, you change your clothes. 133 00:06:27,654 --> 00:06:31,156 The level of paranoia for me that is like, it's so weird. 134 00:06:31,158 --> 00:06:32,824 We don't even know if it's gonna work. 135 00:06:32,826 --> 00:06:35,127 But anything that I can do to prevent it 136 00:06:35,129 --> 00:06:37,062 is a smart idea. You know, why? 137 00:06:37,064 --> 00:06:41,199 'Cause I got a four year old who needs a dad till she's 21. 138 00:06:41,201 --> 00:06:43,468 And she just represents the entire family. 139 00:06:43,470 --> 00:06:46,905 That includes Savanah, that includes Truely, 140 00:06:46,907 --> 00:06:48,974 that includes Solomon. That includes... 141 00:06:48,976 --> 00:06:52,177 I didn't expect that you'd come over and be so aggressive with me. 142 00:06:52,179 --> 00:06:55,647 I'm getting aggressive because I don't feel like you're hearing the point. 143 00:06:55,649 --> 00:06:57,649 I am hearing and you're not hearing me that 144 00:06:57,651 --> 00:07:00,218 I'm sorry that I freaked out because it wasn't little things, 145 00:07:00,220 --> 00:07:02,087 but it was just one thing too much. 146 00:07:02,089 --> 00:07:03,989 Janelle, it's okay that you freaked out. 147 00:07:03,991 --> 00:07:05,991 Okay, hurt my feelings, that's no big deal. 148 00:07:05,993 --> 00:07:08,126 Hurt my feelings because I'm like, isn't it worth it 149 00:07:08,128 --> 00:07:09,694 for us to be or to be back together? 150 00:07:09,696 --> 00:07:12,030 - My point is why don't we-- - See, the thing is-- 151 00:07:12,032 --> 00:07:13,899 You just think I'm doing overkill. 152 00:07:13,901 --> 00:07:15,434 Well, I don't. I mean is that really... 153 00:07:15,436 --> 00:07:17,002 I have to do all those things in order, 154 00:07:17,004 --> 00:07:18,570 'cause that wasn't the rules this summer. 155 00:07:18,572 --> 00:07:20,405 I didn't wipe down my groceries... 156 00:07:20,407 --> 00:07:22,774 That's the rules about getting the family back together. 157 00:07:22,776 --> 00:07:24,976 For the rules for me to come back home? 158 00:07:24,978 --> 00:07:27,345 Is getting Garrison and Gabriel 159 00:07:27,347 --> 00:07:32,317 to maintain a social distance from the house or from their front peers. 160 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:34,519 My boys think that they're fine 161 00:07:34,521 --> 00:07:36,455 so going out and continuing social life, 162 00:07:36,457 --> 00:07:38,757 while I'm making these humongous sacrifices. 163 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:41,426 And you are too because I... You and I are not able to 164 00:07:41,428 --> 00:07:43,061 see each other, I'm not able to see Savanah. 165 00:07:43,063 --> 00:07:46,364 Well, I mean, Gabriel's not obviously gonna stop seeing his girlfriend. 166 00:07:46,366 --> 00:07:48,667 I mean, at 20 would you have stopped 167 00:07:48,669 --> 00:07:51,536 - seeing your girlfriend? - I did. I went on a mission. 168 00:07:51,538 --> 00:07:54,005 And for two years, I didn't date. 169 00:07:54,007 --> 00:07:58,376 And for two years I basically socially distanced from women. 170 00:07:58,378 --> 00:08:01,780 What do you think of Gabriel's girlfriend moving in for a couple of weeks? 171 00:08:03,916 --> 00:08:06,318 So... 172 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,286 I'm not answering that question. 173 00:08:08,288 --> 00:08:10,055 If I answer the negative, 174 00:08:10,057 --> 00:08:12,524 then I am restricting them from being around each other. 175 00:08:12,526 --> 00:08:14,159 If I answer the positive, 176 00:08:14,161 --> 00:08:17,629 then I am contradicting my religious views. 177 00:08:17,631 --> 00:08:22,434 And you know what, the whole freaking family is just thrown those out the window. 178 00:08:22,436 --> 00:08:25,103 She has her own apartment. She is not moving in, but 179 00:08:25,105 --> 00:08:27,105 for the two weeks or whatever before Christmas, 180 00:08:27,107 --> 00:08:29,307 'cause she's gonna be here over the break. She's got a job. 181 00:08:32,144 --> 00:08:35,180 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 182 00:08:35,182 --> 00:08:38,083 Just vomit more [bleep]. Vomit more [bleep]. 183 00:08:38,085 --> 00:08:39,985 God I'm just sick of it. 184 00:08:39,987 --> 00:08:43,288 So, Garrison is okay at his job. 185 00:08:43,290 --> 00:08:46,258 Yeah, but is Garrison gonna really cut his social life? 186 00:08:46,260 --> 00:08:47,526 Kody, he doesn't go now. 187 00:08:47,528 --> 00:08:49,060 His friends have all moved away. 188 00:08:49,062 --> 00:08:52,030 In fact, I've been kinda worried about him because he's... 189 00:08:52,032 --> 00:08:55,100 - A little bit lonely like he's not-- - That's why he wants me 190 00:08:55,102 --> 00:08:56,835 back now is because he is lonely 191 00:08:56,837 --> 00:08:58,470 and all summer long he didn't need me, 192 00:08:58,472 --> 00:09:01,273 but was gonna doing this stuff I didn't even know about it. 193 00:09:01,275 --> 00:09:03,708 See, I think you assume the worst and I assume the best. 194 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:05,310 - It's not fair to me-- - I think the truth... 195 00:09:05,312 --> 00:09:06,745 I think the truth is somewhere in between. 196 00:09:06,747 --> 00:09:09,114 It's not as bleak as you think it was. 197 00:09:09,116 --> 00:09:12,884 Yeah, but still my point is, it's not fair to me and you, 198 00:09:12,886 --> 00:09:14,719 in our life we're suppose to be able to have 199 00:09:14,721 --> 00:09:16,354 with our kids that is suppose to be at home. 200 00:09:18,190 --> 00:09:20,492 Whatever happened to Team Brown? 201 00:09:20,494 --> 00:09:24,896 And I don't wanna sit here and alienate my children with what they think is stupid, 202 00:09:24,898 --> 00:09:28,967 and I'm frankly tired of their criticism of my standards. 203 00:09:28,969 --> 00:09:32,771 And I've already sacrificed so much for seven months, 204 00:09:32,773 --> 00:09:35,507 that I feel like, what do I just drop my pants now and go, 205 00:09:35,509 --> 00:09:38,743 oh, I'm not gonna fight anymore to keep my family healthy? 206 00:09:38,745 --> 00:09:43,548 And what I've tried to do is I've tried to lead by example by doing this at this level, 207 00:09:43,550 --> 00:09:45,984 and let everybody else choose what they do, 208 00:09:45,986 --> 00:09:48,086 but then actually have the consequences, 209 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:51,790 and it looks to me like nobody really cares if I'm at home. 210 00:09:51,792 --> 00:09:54,759 We really are kind of responsible to each other. 211 00:09:54,761 --> 00:09:59,731 And what's happened is, now they don't care to answer to each other or to me. 212 00:10:01,968 --> 00:10:03,835 But I'm still answering to them. 213 00:10:07,239 --> 00:10:09,741 Once again, more polygamy double standard. 214 00:10:09,743 --> 00:10:12,010 - All right, well-- - I mean, I think you think it's silly. 215 00:10:12,012 --> 00:10:14,112 No, I don't, I just don't know how to reconcile it, 216 00:10:14,114 --> 00:10:17,749 - because I can't leave my boys hanging out-- - They're adults. 217 00:10:18,618 --> 00:10:20,218 Bye-bye. 218 00:10:20,220 --> 00:10:23,421 Listen, I've been sympathetic to this situation with Janelle and her kids... 219 00:10:24,357 --> 00:10:25,824 this entire time. 220 00:10:25,826 --> 00:10:28,426 And I tolerated a lot for a very long time, 221 00:10:28,428 --> 00:10:31,630 until I realized that I was being lied to or deceived. 222 00:10:31,632 --> 00:10:36,801 And at that point, was when I sort of lost my patience with it. 223 00:10:36,803 --> 00:10:39,971 I'm like, "You need to just make the boys move out." 224 00:10:39,973 --> 00:10:43,642 When you're 21, karmically I've given you all you need. 225 00:10:43,644 --> 00:10:48,680 You've got a good car, you got get a job, here's some cash. Bye. 226 00:10:48,682 --> 00:10:51,850 I'm on the verge of washing my hands off it. 227 00:10:51,852 --> 00:10:55,687 I'm gonna have Gabrielle and Garrison move out of the house. 228 00:10:55,689 --> 00:10:58,456 I'm sorry, here's the problem, Janelle's name is on the lease 229 00:10:58,458 --> 00:11:00,725 so I can't evict them. 230 00:11:00,727 --> 00:11:03,695 You know my dad sent me out with a car that I earned... 231 00:11:04,230 --> 00:11:06,264 - I know. - and $50. 232 00:11:06,266 --> 00:11:08,299 You know, he is like, my dad kicked me out at 18 233 00:11:08,301 --> 00:11:11,636 and sent me with a crappy car to go live in Utah, whatever. 234 00:11:11,638 --> 00:11:14,005 Look you know what? I am not just that parent. 235 00:11:14,007 --> 00:11:15,607 This is a different day and age. 236 00:11:15,609 --> 00:11:20,011 You don't just kick your kids out of the house at 18 and say, hope you do good. 237 00:11:20,013 --> 00:11:22,514 Do I feel like I have had higher standards all my life 238 00:11:22,516 --> 00:11:24,582 and I trying this expectation 239 00:11:24,584 --> 00:11:26,885 that nobody else can even fall into, like it's... 240 00:11:26,887 --> 00:11:28,119 It's just ridiculous. 241 00:11:31,290 --> 00:11:33,658 But in plural marriage, 242 00:11:33,660 --> 00:11:37,228 what one person does affects everybody else. 243 00:11:37,230 --> 00:11:38,797 Okay, well. I'll talk to the boys. 244 00:11:40,966 --> 00:11:42,100 Sure. 245 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:46,838 This is the same conversation we have all the time. 246 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,807 We circle, we circle, we circle, we circle, 247 00:11:48,809 --> 00:11:50,208 we circle, we circle, we circle, 248 00:11:50,210 --> 00:11:51,476 and nothing is resolved. 249 00:11:51,478 --> 00:11:53,144 I am done. I am tired. I am done. 250 00:11:53,146 --> 00:11:54,245 Done with this conversation. 251 00:11:57,783 --> 00:11:59,451 Dad wants to play stupid games, 252 00:11:59,453 --> 00:12:00,885 we can play... we can play along. 253 00:12:00,887 --> 00:12:02,821 And you'd be lying to dad. 254 00:12:02,823 --> 00:12:04,355 Gabe and I've got jobs. 255 00:12:04,357 --> 00:12:06,024 Sorry, it has been eight months 256 00:12:06,026 --> 00:12:07,659 since I have been able to hang out with my dad. 257 00:12:07,661 --> 00:12:08,860 Of course, I am going to rebel a little. 258 00:12:08,862 --> 00:12:11,129 Like, I am tired of it. I'm freakin' tired of it. 259 00:12:11,131 --> 00:12:13,698 Let's bring dad here and I'll yell at him. 260 00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:15,734 Okay, I am trying here. 261 00:12:21,807 --> 00:12:22,974 Kody just left. 262 00:12:22,976 --> 00:12:26,444 So, I now need to bring up the new rules 263 00:12:26,446 --> 00:12:29,514 with my kids and see how they feel about the holidays. 264 00:12:29,516 --> 00:12:31,583 Okay. Hey, guys okay, 265 00:12:31,585 --> 00:12:33,485 I just talked to dad a little bit go. 266 00:12:34,053 --> 00:12:35,253 So, here's... 267 00:12:40,092 --> 00:12:41,059 I can't meet. 268 00:12:42,128 --> 00:12:43,628 - Perfect for harvesting. - Hey guys. 269 00:12:43,630 --> 00:12:45,764 Pay attention please. 270 00:12:45,766 --> 00:12:47,465 I am not really optimistic. 271 00:12:47,467 --> 00:12:50,135 I don't even really want to tell them these rules 272 00:12:50,137 --> 00:12:52,470 because I know what their reactions are going to be. 273 00:12:52,472 --> 00:12:57,909 Okay, so for the whole family. I am not going to show you the list. 274 00:12:57,911 --> 00:13:00,612 - List? - For the whole family to get together, 275 00:13:00,614 --> 00:13:04,182 it requires everything we are doing now... masks, 276 00:13:04,184 --> 00:13:08,052 distancing, hand sanitizer, 277 00:13:08,054 --> 00:13:11,322 but it also requires when we go to the grocery store, 278 00:13:11,324 --> 00:13:13,424 we change our clothes when we come home, 279 00:13:13,426 --> 00:13:17,629 we wipe down our mail or let it sit outside for 24 hours, 280 00:13:17,631 --> 00:13:20,498 and that we wipe down our groceries, when we come home. 281 00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:22,066 Cool. See you February. 282 00:13:22,434 --> 00:13:23,301 Okay. 283 00:13:24,403 --> 00:13:25,503 Not even Christmas? 284 00:13:25,505 --> 00:13:27,272 You won't even do it for two weeks before Christmas? 285 00:13:28,307 --> 00:13:29,674 Not if I get a job. No. 286 00:13:30,543 --> 00:13:31,910 Well jobs... 287 00:13:31,912 --> 00:13:33,178 Jobs are the exception. 288 00:13:33,180 --> 00:13:35,146 Well, I don't know. It depends on how careful you are being. 289 00:13:35,148 --> 00:13:37,382 Okay, so we are making an exception for work, 290 00:13:37,384 --> 00:13:39,184 but we are not making any exception for our mail? 291 00:13:39,186 --> 00:13:40,852 - I just need to present facts. - I know. 292 00:13:40,854 --> 00:13:42,987 I'll cooperate with you, but I am mad at dad. 293 00:13:42,989 --> 00:13:44,155 - Guys. - This is stupid. 294 00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:46,257 Okay. It's everything we are doing now, 295 00:13:46,259 --> 00:13:48,793 except for the groceries and the mail. 296 00:13:48,795 --> 00:13:51,362 And the changing clothes, and the not seeing my girlfriend, 297 00:13:51,364 --> 00:13:53,131 and the not getting a job and the... 298 00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:55,600 We will do it and we will tell dad that we did it. 299 00:13:55,602 --> 00:13:58,636 - No, no that doesn't work. - 'Cause he won't know. 300 00:13:58,638 --> 00:14:00,972 - That works for me. - You can never do that, honey. 301 00:14:00,974 --> 00:14:04,108 Dad wants to play stupid games. We can play along. 302 00:14:04,110 --> 00:14:06,010 You would be lying to dad. 303 00:14:06,012 --> 00:14:09,147 - Gabe and I got jobs. - Sorry, it's been eight months 304 00:14:09,149 --> 00:14:10,782 since I have been able to hang out with my dad, 305 00:14:10,784 --> 00:14:12,217 and of course, I am going to rebel a little. 306 00:14:12,219 --> 00:14:15,053 Like, I am tired of it. I am freakin' tired of it. 307 00:14:15,055 --> 00:14:18,489 Gabriel has always felt like he and his dad had a pretty close relationship 308 00:14:18,491 --> 00:14:20,558 so he feels this like rejection. 309 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,795 Okay, so that's a really big conversation, let's bring it down. 310 00:14:23,797 --> 00:14:26,264 - So, let's bring dad here and I'll yell at him. - No. 311 00:14:26,266 --> 00:14:28,833 Okay, I am trying here. 312 00:14:28,835 --> 00:14:31,169 Listen, dad's going to be a child about this. 313 00:14:31,171 --> 00:14:33,204 - No. - No. He is not. 314 00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:34,672 - He is not. - He can be. 315 00:14:34,674 --> 00:14:36,307 - He wants to tear the family. - If you are going to say that about dad 316 00:14:36,309 --> 00:14:38,309 then you have to acknowledge that we are being childish too. 317 00:14:38,311 --> 00:14:39,310 We are 318 00:14:39,312 --> 00:14:42,080 Okay. Yes, everybody is angry on both sides. 319 00:14:42,082 --> 00:14:44,883 Can we figure out what works... 320 00:14:44,885 --> 00:14:46,784 - We can... Dad... - for the holidays. 321 00:14:46,786 --> 00:14:48,953 Dad can figure out how not to tear apart his family 322 00:14:48,955 --> 00:14:51,689 - over something so stupid. - Okay, I don't think... 323 00:14:51,691 --> 00:14:53,324 I don't think we have to go to extremes. 324 00:14:53,326 --> 00:14:55,793 - Okay guys look... - Mom, it has been nine months. 325 00:14:55,795 --> 00:14:57,695 I am emotional too. Okay? 326 00:14:57,697 --> 00:14:59,464 Someone could have gotten pregnant 327 00:14:59,466 --> 00:15:02,433 and had a baby in the time that we haven't seen dad. 328 00:15:02,435 --> 00:15:06,204 All of them are talking about how I have not been around all year long 329 00:15:06,206 --> 00:15:08,239 and that's not true. 330 00:15:08,241 --> 00:15:11,242 I have been at these places like every month. 331 00:15:11,244 --> 00:15:14,178 All that's in question, right now, 332 00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:15,980 because I got to bring this conversation in small. 333 00:15:15,982 --> 00:15:17,515 Pregnant and baby. 334 00:15:17,517 --> 00:15:19,450 Thanksgiving, Christmas. 335 00:15:19,452 --> 00:15:22,720 Kody and I didn't raise children to be sheeple. 336 00:15:22,722 --> 00:15:24,389 Like, we are not sheeple raisers. 337 00:15:24,391 --> 00:15:27,759 We raised children who, unfortunately, 338 00:15:27,761 --> 00:15:30,128 are as opinionated and stubborn as we are. 339 00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:32,797 And that's a good thing in most situations. 340 00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:34,432 Not so good now. 341 00:15:34,434 --> 00:15:37,235 Do we want to spend Thanksgiving with the whole family? 342 00:15:37,803 --> 00:15:39,604 - Yes. - Yeah. 343 00:15:39,606 --> 00:15:42,640 - It would require... - Okay. We will do it. 344 00:15:42,642 --> 00:15:45,476 - no socializing. - No socializing. We'll do it. 345 00:15:45,478 --> 00:15:47,879 - Nope. - If I can survive without socializing 346 00:15:47,881 --> 00:15:50,515 - you guys can survive without socializing. I promise you. - No. 347 00:15:50,517 --> 00:15:52,116 - No. I can't. - Nope. Nope. 348 00:15:52,118 --> 00:15:53,851 - I am not going to be... - Do you like that? 349 00:15:53,853 --> 00:15:56,988 I am not going to be away from my girlfriend for that long and I am not going to lie. 350 00:15:56,990 --> 00:15:58,890 Is she really that important to you? 351 00:15:58,892 --> 00:16:01,192 Her birthday is Thanksgiving. 352 00:16:01,194 --> 00:16:04,662 Assuming that the infection rates don't go crazy, 353 00:16:05,431 --> 00:16:07,365 we could go spend Thanksgiving 354 00:16:07,367 --> 00:16:10,068 you know with either our extended family in Utah. 355 00:16:10,070 --> 00:16:11,903 You can spend Thanksgiving with dad. 356 00:16:11,905 --> 00:16:14,238 - Gabe and I will go and find a hotel. - No. 357 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:15,606 No. That doesn't... 358 00:16:15,608 --> 00:16:17,175 Yeah. We could turn up. 359 00:16:17,177 --> 00:16:18,910 I don't want to do Thanksgiving 360 00:16:18,912 --> 00:16:22,380 without all of my kids that are able to be with me. 361 00:16:22,382 --> 00:16:24,582 I am not going to have them go down to some hotel 362 00:16:24,584 --> 00:16:26,484 for two weeks or something. I am just not gonna... 363 00:16:26,952 --> 00:16:29,954 No, no, no. 364 00:16:29,956 --> 00:16:33,524 Okay, can I say that for one, this is very unfair for mom as well, 365 00:16:33,526 --> 00:16:36,294 because you guys don't want to do it dad doesn't want to do it 366 00:16:36,296 --> 00:16:38,096 and mom in this like really hard placed. 367 00:16:38,098 --> 00:16:39,931 No. That's what we are saying to mom right now. 368 00:16:39,933 --> 00:16:41,399 We are saying Mom, you should do it, 369 00:16:42,234 --> 00:16:43,701 but I can't do that. 370 00:16:43,703 --> 00:16:45,670 - I can't do that. - I am sure, mom. 371 00:16:45,672 --> 00:16:48,773 -You can do this entire part -You can do this and tear apart our family I don't care. 372 00:16:48,775 --> 00:16:51,109 Garrison, you are really close to having a down payment. 373 00:16:51,111 --> 00:16:53,244 Then it's dad's problem, not mine. 374 00:16:53,246 --> 00:16:55,313 Like, we are not going to play this game anymore. 375 00:16:55,315 --> 00:16:58,349 - I'm not really interested in being drastic. - I am not mad out at you. 376 00:16:58,351 --> 00:16:59,650 I am trying to be dead mad at dad. 377 00:16:59,652 --> 00:17:01,085 I am not trying to be drastic. 378 00:17:01,087 --> 00:17:02,420 I am trying to find out a solution. 379 00:17:02,422 --> 00:17:05,490 - We are tired of not seeing our dad. - He has 19 other kids. 380 00:17:05,492 --> 00:17:08,459 - He has 15 other kids... - How about the fact that he has been at Robyn's 381 00:17:08,461 --> 00:17:09,327 for nine months. 382 00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:13,631 You know, I know Robyn, bless her heart, 383 00:17:13,633 --> 00:17:15,933 Robyn has to make the decisions that she makes 384 00:17:15,935 --> 00:17:19,637 because she is trying to make it so Kody can see the kids. 385 00:17:19,639 --> 00:17:20,805 My life is very different. 386 00:17:20,807 --> 00:17:23,074 I have independent adult children that I live with. 387 00:17:23,076 --> 00:17:27,045 I don't know what Kody does with his time. I don't' track it. 388 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:29,614 - Guys, okay, look. - This is stupid. 389 00:17:29,616 --> 00:17:31,482 I am going to call dad right now and I will tell him... 390 00:17:31,484 --> 00:17:33,718 I am going to be like Dad, sorry I'll see you February. 391 00:17:34,620 --> 00:17:36,788 Guys, okay. Bring it in. 392 00:17:36,790 --> 00:17:39,023 We are going to talk about Thanksgiving and Christmas. 393 00:17:39,025 --> 00:17:40,858 So, I think in the past nine months 394 00:17:40,860 --> 00:17:43,161 since Covid has been around, 395 00:17:43,163 --> 00:17:47,131 we have probably seen Kody just a handful of times honestly. 396 00:17:47,133 --> 00:17:50,601 Listen, I am open to going to Thanksgiving somewhere. 397 00:17:50,603 --> 00:17:53,337 I already told dad pretty much I thought that's what we would do. 398 00:17:53,339 --> 00:17:55,139 Isn't Christine travelling too? 399 00:17:55,141 --> 00:17:57,241 I know... I don't know... I don't know. 400 00:17:57,243 --> 00:17:59,477 We are going to get together in a day or so and she is going to. 401 00:17:59,479 --> 00:18:01,879 - We are going to decide. - Then decide-- 402 00:18:01,881 --> 00:18:03,514 If she is travelling and she is cool with it 403 00:18:03,516 --> 00:18:06,217 why don't we just do Thanksgiving with Christine? 404 00:18:06,219 --> 00:18:08,653 - Dad can do his [bleep], and we will do ours. - Okay. 405 00:18:08,655 --> 00:18:11,389 If Christine is travelling, would you want to travel... 406 00:18:11,391 --> 00:18:12,223 - Yes, yes. - or would we-- 407 00:18:12,225 --> 00:18:13,825 I would absolutely love that. 408 00:18:13,827 --> 00:18:16,994 If we have the family together all socially distant, we will figure it out. 409 00:18:16,996 --> 00:18:20,198 - Okay, so, if Christine decides to stay here... - Then, let's stay. 410 00:18:20,732 --> 00:18:22,066 And you would just... 411 00:18:22,134 --> 00:18:23,835 -And I would social distance -Social distance and hang out with... 412 00:18:23,837 --> 00:18:25,336 But I am not gonna... 413 00:18:25,338 --> 00:18:28,206 - I am not gonna... - No. I don't want you to stop seeing your girlfriend. 414 00:18:28,208 --> 00:18:30,007 And Christine doesn't care if I see my girlfriend. 415 00:18:30,009 --> 00:18:31,375 I will go over to her house. 416 00:18:31,377 --> 00:18:34,679 My kids are very attached to Christine. I mean they are. 417 00:18:34,681 --> 00:18:37,381 I love Janelle's kids. I adore them. 418 00:18:37,383 --> 00:18:39,450 They're just part of my soul. 419 00:18:39,452 --> 00:18:43,454 I am with you whatever you want to do because essentially you are my lifeline, Mom. 420 00:18:43,456 --> 00:18:45,156 You are the only way I get around anywhere. 421 00:18:45,158 --> 00:18:47,758 So, I don't really have a choice. 422 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,728 But we are going to talk to dad about this. This is ridiculous. 423 00:18:50,730 --> 00:18:53,164 I am tired of it. It is literally ruining our family. 424 00:18:53,999 --> 00:18:55,700 No, this whole day has been exhausting. 425 00:18:55,702 --> 00:18:57,869 I think I am going to now and put on my pajamas 426 00:18:57,871 --> 00:19:01,706 and watch TV for the rest of the night because I am brain fried. 427 00:19:01,708 --> 00:19:03,908 I mean, my kids, my boys and Kody. 428 00:19:03,910 --> 00:19:07,578 They are in these very opposite camps and there is no given and take. 429 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:08,746 It is just talk, talk, talk. 430 00:19:08,748 --> 00:19:11,082 Try to convince, convince, convince your point of view. 431 00:19:11,683 --> 00:19:12,516 That's it. 432 00:19:12,518 --> 00:19:13,851 I have been trying for nine months 433 00:19:13,853 --> 00:19:15,386 to get us to find some sort of middle ground 434 00:19:15,388 --> 00:19:17,021 and there is no give on any side. 435 00:19:19,892 --> 00:19:22,994 You know when I went to Kody and I was like, 436 00:19:22,996 --> 00:19:25,029 how in the heck are you guys doing this? 437 00:19:25,031 --> 00:19:26,631 I am just trying to... I am just... 438 00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:28,132 I am trying... 439 00:19:28,934 --> 00:19:29,967 It's like... 440 00:19:29,969 --> 00:19:31,502 I don't know. 441 00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:35,072 Kody came and stayed for like five or six days and I am kind of like, wow. 442 00:19:35,074 --> 00:19:36,240 This is lot of work. 443 00:19:36,242 --> 00:19:39,343 I had Kody at my house like once or twice a week. 444 00:19:39,345 --> 00:19:41,712 Lately, it has been constantly. 445 00:19:41,714 --> 00:19:44,115 And, I am sure that every plural wife is like, 446 00:19:44,117 --> 00:19:46,250 "That's the way you want it." And I am like... 447 00:19:58,997 --> 00:20:00,531 [Janelle] With our social distancing, 448 00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:02,400 we aren't celebrating birthdays together. 449 00:20:02,402 --> 00:20:05,670 So, I still did get a gift for Robyn. Her birthday was recently. 450 00:20:05,672 --> 00:20:07,071 So, I am going to go drop it off. 451 00:20:08,574 --> 00:20:09,540 - Hey. - Hey. 452 00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:11,275 I have a birthday present for you. 453 00:20:11,277 --> 00:20:13,010 - Oh. - I don't know if you want to 454 00:20:13,012 --> 00:20:14,979 - spray it down or whatever. - Oh. 455 00:20:14,981 --> 00:20:19,984 So, one of the rules that Kody says that he and Robyn and Mary, I guess, follow 456 00:20:19,986 --> 00:20:22,787 is it they wipe down all the mail, or spray it. 457 00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:27,124 Whatever's coming into the house, groceries, with disinfectant. 458 00:20:27,126 --> 00:20:31,095 - What is it? - So this is a warmer so your towels are hot. 459 00:20:31,097 --> 00:20:32,830 Like I'm not someone who wraps presents. 460 00:20:32,832 --> 00:20:35,766 I-I don't do well at it and just I'm not someone 461 00:20:35,768 --> 00:20:38,169 who necessarily thinks it's all that important. 462 00:20:38,171 --> 00:20:39,870 - Oh, cool. - Like a spa. 463 00:20:39,872 --> 00:20:41,272 - [chuckles] - So... 464 00:20:41,274 --> 00:20:44,108 You give gifts that make me self-care. 465 00:20:44,110 --> 00:20:46,711 Janelle's always giving gifts that are all about like 466 00:20:46,713 --> 00:20:48,246 kinda, taking care of yourself. 467 00:20:48,248 --> 00:20:49,480 I really need this. 468 00:20:49,482 --> 00:20:52,216 Yeah, I've become really big about that, like, the last... 469 00:20:52,218 --> 00:20:53,851 four-five years, for sure. 470 00:20:53,853 --> 00:20:56,654 My wives sometimes will do super gifts for each other. 471 00:20:56,656 --> 00:20:58,389 Like this towel warmer is, like, genius. 472 00:20:58,391 --> 00:21:03,060 But when you receive like an angel every single year. 473 00:21:03,062 --> 00:21:04,295 Or a nutcracker. 474 00:21:04,297 --> 00:21:06,530 If you have a collection of nutcrackers, 475 00:21:06,532 --> 00:21:10,501 it does not mean I want more nutcrackers 476 00:21:10,503 --> 00:21:12,703 for Christmas, you know what I mean. 477 00:21:12,705 --> 00:21:14,338 - Do you wanna visit for a lil' bit? - Sure, yeah. 478 00:21:14,340 --> 00:21:15,873 - Let me... Let me pull this inside. - Okay. 479 00:21:15,875 --> 00:21:17,775 And go ahead and sit down, uh... 480 00:21:17,777 --> 00:21:18,943 On these chairs over here? 481 00:21:18,945 --> 00:21:21,145 Yeah, just whatever you want over there. 482 00:21:21,147 --> 00:21:23,014 There's camping chair and then there's... 483 00:21:23,016 --> 00:21:24,849 Cool. 484 00:21:24,851 --> 00:21:27,351 I never think I wanna live in the trees. 485 00:21:27,353 --> 00:21:30,421 But when I come up here I'm like, you know... 486 00:21:30,423 --> 00:21:34,592 See what, I think clearing 'em around the house is better. 487 00:21:34,594 --> 00:21:38,562 'Cause, like, you're in the trees, but you still have some blue sky. 488 00:21:38,564 --> 00:21:40,931 I mean, it is nice 'cause I feel like 489 00:21:40,933 --> 00:21:42,333 it's a whole different place here. 490 00:21:42,335 --> 00:21:45,369 It'll make a great rental for when we build that on our property. 491 00:21:45,371 --> 00:21:46,704 If we ever get there. 492 00:21:46,706 --> 00:21:48,072 Oh, no, it's happening. 493 00:21:48,074 --> 00:21:49,607 It has to happen. [soft chuckle] 494 00:21:49,609 --> 00:21:51,676 - That's all I think about. - I mean we're so close. 495 00:21:51,678 --> 00:21:53,344 But, I mean, the whole COVID thing 496 00:21:53,346 --> 00:21:55,313 shut down a lot of the interaction. 497 00:21:55,315 --> 00:21:57,381 That's been really, really stressful. 498 00:21:57,383 --> 00:21:59,383 Like I've been really, like... 499 00:21:59,385 --> 00:22:03,754 Really, I've been trying to mind my P's and Q's, 500 00:22:03,756 --> 00:22:05,890 but I've been really worried about, 501 00:22:05,892 --> 00:22:08,125 like, you and Kody and stuff. 502 00:22:08,127 --> 00:22:09,627 The distance and stuff like that. 503 00:22:09,629 --> 00:22:13,464 I've really been struggling, you know, and I went to Kody and I was, like, 504 00:22:13,466 --> 00:22:15,366 "How in the heck are you guys doing this? 505 00:22:15,368 --> 00:22:17,735 How could you be okay with this? 506 00:22:17,737 --> 00:22:19,270 How is she okay with this?" 507 00:22:19,272 --> 00:22:21,672 I'm just... [sighs] I'm just trying to... 508 00:22:21,674 --> 00:22:25,409 I'm trying, uh, it's like, [sighs] 509 00:22:25,411 --> 00:22:27,712 I don't know. It just makes me worried. 510 00:22:27,714 --> 00:22:32,483 But he was saying that, like, in the past you guys did do times 511 00:22:32,485 --> 00:22:34,985 - where you guys were apart, but it was... - Yeah. 512 00:22:34,987 --> 00:22:37,722 You know, it wasn't like a separation or anything. It was... 513 00:22:37,724 --> 00:22:40,191 Yeah, like, so one time it was eight months. 514 00:22:40,193 --> 00:22:41,625 - Yeah, that's what he said. - And, it's just, 515 00:22:41,627 --> 00:22:44,562 kinda, like, he wanted to move and I'm like, "Eh... 516 00:22:44,564 --> 00:22:46,530 I have a pretty good job here. I don't know." 517 00:22:46,532 --> 00:22:50,568 [chuckles] Yeah, he told me that and I was like, what? 518 00:22:50,570 --> 00:22:52,336 Back when we were living in Wyoming, 519 00:22:52,338 --> 00:22:56,707 and Kody decided he needed to go to Utah for better employment options, 520 00:22:56,709 --> 00:22:59,677 I had just gotten settled into a career 521 00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:01,979 in Wyoming, we had these houses. 522 00:23:01,981 --> 00:23:03,180 They moved and I, uh, 523 00:23:03,182 --> 00:23:05,149 it was always, like, seems like it's about the moves 524 00:23:05,151 --> 00:23:06,517 they were gonna move and I'm like, 525 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:08,853 "Nah, I got a good thing. See you later. 526 00:23:08,855 --> 00:23:10,521 I'll come in a while, may be." 527 00:23:10,523 --> 00:23:12,757 'Cause, I mean, I had a job and I had a steady income 528 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:17,061 and it was good for the family for me to keep this steady income and it was... 529 00:23:17,063 --> 00:23:18,729 I don't know. 530 00:23:18,731 --> 00:23:22,533 A big part of Kody and I's relationship is conversation. 531 00:23:22,535 --> 00:23:24,368 Incessantly talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. 532 00:23:24,370 --> 00:23:25,469 We talk all the time. 533 00:23:25,471 --> 00:23:28,839 We couldn't accomplish that over the phone. 534 00:23:28,841 --> 00:23:30,608 Look, we have six children, okay, 535 00:23:30,610 --> 00:23:32,977 so there is more than just conversations going on. 536 00:23:32,979 --> 00:23:34,879 'Cause I get accused of that too. 537 00:23:34,881 --> 00:23:36,647 I think, I really... 538 00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:39,450 I love polygamy for me. 539 00:23:39,452 --> 00:23:41,819 Like, 'cause I can see that in a monogamous relationship 540 00:23:41,821 --> 00:23:43,120 I probably just couldn't be like, 541 00:23:43,122 --> 00:23:44,722 "You go. I'll see you in a while." 542 00:23:44,724 --> 00:23:46,190 You know what I mean? 543 00:23:46,192 --> 00:23:48,559 - "Go live there for eight months, I'm fine." - "See if it works out." 544 00:23:48,561 --> 00:23:50,661 "See if it works out. May be, I'll follow." 545 00:23:50,663 --> 00:23:53,864 I mean, so that's kinda nice for me I've always liked that freedom. 546 00:23:53,866 --> 00:23:57,168 'Cause, like, I get really antsy, if I feel like 547 00:23:57,170 --> 00:23:59,904 I can't make the choices that control my own life. 548 00:23:59,906 --> 00:24:02,640 Like, okay, so, I think, that's why I, kinda, freaked out the other day. 549 00:24:02,642 --> 00:24:04,175 'Cause like, look, I'm masking. 550 00:24:04,177 --> 00:24:06,043 You know, I'm being, pretty much, all those things, 551 00:24:06,045 --> 00:24:09,313 but the extra few steps were just like, 552 00:24:09,315 --> 00:24:12,082 "Whoa!" That's too many of choices being taken away 553 00:24:12,084 --> 00:24:15,553 or something. Or too many of my something being taken away. 554 00:24:15,555 --> 00:24:19,790 There are different ideas about what the rules are to be safe. 555 00:24:19,792 --> 00:24:22,259 I do, kind of what the CDC says, 556 00:24:22,261 --> 00:24:24,595 masks, sanitize, social distance, 557 00:24:24,597 --> 00:24:27,798 but Kody has a whole another list of rules that include 558 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,468 grocery pick-up, changing your clothes when you come in. 559 00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:33,504 I just, fundamentally, rebel at that much control 560 00:24:33,506 --> 00:24:35,005 and it's just too much for me. 561 00:24:35,007 --> 00:24:37,541 I just... Yes, everybody's gotta choose and they get 562 00:24:37,543 --> 00:24:40,377 their choice, and that's what's so beautiful about our life. 563 00:24:40,379 --> 00:24:41,912 - I can see now... - Yeah. 564 00:24:41,914 --> 00:24:44,882 that I was, probably, always destined to live in a plural family. 565 00:24:44,884 --> 00:24:46,217 And it works for me a lot. 566 00:24:46,219 --> 00:24:48,652 Yeah, um, could you please figure this out 567 00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:51,422 - so I could be in a plural family again? - [both laughing] 568 00:24:51,424 --> 00:24:52,923 With you? [laughs] 569 00:24:52,925 --> 00:24:54,625 Oh my gosh, I'm like... 570 00:24:54,627 --> 00:24:57,928 I'm like, "This is what it'd be like to be- 571 00:24:57,930 --> 00:25:01,065 - It would, kinda, make me... - I never signed up for monogamy. I never did. 572 00:25:01,067 --> 00:25:02,700 [chuckles] 573 00:25:02,702 --> 00:25:06,470 [Robyn] So, Kody and I have been married for about ten-and-a-half years. 574 00:25:06,472 --> 00:25:08,973 And throughout those ten-and-a-half years, 575 00:25:08,975 --> 00:25:12,243 I've had Kody at my house like once or twice a week. 576 00:25:12,245 --> 00:25:14,812 Um, lately, it's been constantly. 577 00:25:14,814 --> 00:25:17,081 And, you know, I'm sure that every plural wife 578 00:25:17,083 --> 00:25:18,916 is like, "Whoo, that's the way you want it," 579 00:25:18,918 --> 00:25:20,284 and I'm like... 580 00:25:20,351 --> 00:25:23,487 But that's not what I signed out for, I guess, I should say. 581 00:25:23,489 --> 00:25:26,891 And then, on top of that, he's been really unhappy. 582 00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:28,893 He's been a really unhappy person. 583 00:25:28,895 --> 00:25:33,397 And, so it's been a lot and it's been a challenge for our relationship. 584 00:25:33,399 --> 00:25:35,299 Right before Hunter left, Kody came and stayed 585 00:25:35,301 --> 00:25:37,368 for five or six days and I'm, kinda, like... 586 00:25:38,236 --> 00:25:40,304 "Wow! This is a lot of work." 587 00:25:40,306 --> 00:25:44,341 I mean, like, honestly, like, he stayed for almost a week before Hunter left, 588 00:25:44,343 --> 00:25:46,210 and I thought, "Oh my word." 589 00:25:46,912 --> 00:25:48,579 Like I don't have my freedom. 590 00:25:48,581 --> 00:25:51,448 I do... like my independence. 591 00:25:51,450 --> 00:25:53,050 I really do. 592 00:25:53,052 --> 00:25:55,152 And when Kody's around, it's fine. 593 00:25:55,154 --> 00:25:57,955 We do have a tendency to have more fun when he's not there though. 594 00:25:59,724 --> 00:26:01,258 Listen, Linda. 595 00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:05,596 I'm just saying they could send him my direction 596 00:26:06,398 --> 00:26:08,899 if they need a break from him. 597 00:26:08,901 --> 00:26:11,335 It's not what I signed up for. I mean, like, 598 00:26:11,337 --> 00:26:13,337 I mean, I know this sounds just really... 599 00:26:13,339 --> 00:26:15,306 funky, but, like, I had, 600 00:26:15,308 --> 00:26:19,009 you know, people that wanted to date me and that I was, you know, kind of, you know, 601 00:26:19,011 --> 00:26:20,444 friendly with, or whatever. 602 00:26:20,446 --> 00:26:24,081 They talked about living, you know, they wanted to get more serious. 603 00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:26,584 A couple wanted to marry me, kind of a thing. 604 00:26:26,586 --> 00:26:29,353 - And I was like, "No, I wanna live plural marriage." - Yeah. 605 00:26:29,355 --> 00:26:31,789 If I wanted to live monogamy, I could have. 606 00:26:31,791 --> 00:26:33,357 I mean, like, it's not like... 607 00:26:34,025 --> 00:26:35,759 I had no other choices. 608 00:26:35,761 --> 00:26:42,333 I could've had a very happy, successful relationship with some other men. 609 00:26:43,969 --> 00:26:45,035 It's just the truth. 610 00:26:45,103 --> 00:26:47,972 I'm sorry, I hate saying it 'cause it sounds like 611 00:26:47,974 --> 00:26:51,575 I'm bragging or something, but I'm not, it's just is the truth. 612 00:26:51,577 --> 00:26:54,411 I had proposals before Kody 613 00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:57,381 and I turned them down. 614 00:26:57,383 --> 00:26:59,917 And I said, "No, I wanna live plural marriage," and 615 00:26:59,919 --> 00:27:02,319 here I am and I'm like, "Hey, guys... 616 00:27:02,988 --> 00:27:05,122 I wanna live plural marriage." 617 00:27:05,124 --> 00:27:07,091 Yeah, I don't really have any desire... 618 00:27:08,193 --> 00:27:10,761 - to not live plural marriage. - Yeah. 619 00:27:10,763 --> 00:27:12,096 A lot of independence. 620 00:27:12,098 --> 00:27:14,131 I could just go to bed with a book and I love it. 621 00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:15,766 - Love it. Love it. Yeah. - I know and that's not 622 00:27:15,768 --> 00:27:18,002 really something that happens when Kody's there. 623 00:27:18,004 --> 00:27:19,803 It's a different type of routine. 624 00:27:19,805 --> 00:27:22,606 And I like that independence, you know, 625 00:27:22,608 --> 00:27:23,974 I do too. 626 00:27:23,976 --> 00:27:25,809 - Yeah. - I'm starting to get really cold. 627 00:27:25,811 --> 00:27:29,813 Okay. I have been really, like, surprised 628 00:27:29,815 --> 00:27:33,784 and kinda horrified in ways because I've been like, 629 00:27:33,786 --> 00:27:36,286 "Wait, I thought we were this cohesive unit." 630 00:27:36,288 --> 00:27:38,188 We haven't been. 631 00:27:38,190 --> 00:27:43,060 And, it's been a huge disappointment for me. 632 00:27:43,062 --> 00:27:45,763 - [Robyn] It as good to see ya. - It was good to visit. 633 00:27:45,765 --> 00:27:46,730 Yeah, yeah. All right. 634 00:27:46,732 --> 00:27:48,399 - See you soon. - See ya. Take care. 635 00:27:48,401 --> 00:27:49,800 I guess it is, what it is. 636 00:27:49,802 --> 00:27:51,735 I just have to respect where she's at. 637 00:27:55,540 --> 00:27:57,141 So you're going to Utah? 638 00:27:57,143 --> 00:27:59,677 Janelle is indicating by her actions 639 00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:02,780 that she would rather have the boys around than me. 640 00:28:02,782 --> 00:28:05,783 You don't think I'm aware? You don't think I'm into being careful? 641 00:28:05,785 --> 00:28:07,151 I think you understand where I'm at 642 00:28:07,153 --> 00:28:08,719 I think you understand what I'm talking about 643 00:28:08,721 --> 00:28:10,788 and I want you to just respect that. 644 00:28:10,790 --> 00:28:12,222 Yeah, [bleep] off. 645 00:28:23,468 --> 00:28:25,936 [Christine] Hey, we're in a different spot. 646 00:28:25,938 --> 00:28:29,139 - Just gotta change it up a little bit. - I like it. 647 00:28:29,141 --> 00:28:31,809 So, hopefully, now that we're in November 648 00:28:31,811 --> 00:28:34,745 and the holidays are literally upon us, 649 00:28:34,747 --> 00:28:38,315 we can make a definite decision 650 00:28:38,317 --> 00:28:40,284 on what to do and how to do it. 651 00:28:40,286 --> 00:28:43,020 So that the family can start interacting again. 652 00:28:43,722 --> 00:28:45,122 This is great. 653 00:28:45,124 --> 00:28:46,724 So we're gonna meet together again. 654 00:28:46,726 --> 00:28:48,592 My position hasn't changed. 655 00:28:48,594 --> 00:28:51,195 I mean, initially, Kody came up with this list of rules. 656 00:28:51,197 --> 00:28:53,997 That I actually wondered where this list had been 657 00:28:53,999 --> 00:28:55,733 for the last nine months, but whatever. 658 00:28:55,735 --> 00:28:58,135 So the list is now in existence. 659 00:28:58,137 --> 00:29:00,971 And, supposedly, these are the rules that they are following 660 00:29:00,973 --> 00:29:05,375 at Robyn's house, that Kody wants us all to embrace. 661 00:29:05,377 --> 00:29:08,378 You have to take this like you would 662 00:29:09,647 --> 00:29:11,181 religion and scripture. 663 00:29:11,183 --> 00:29:12,750 I mean, we are doing most of these things, 664 00:29:12,752 --> 00:29:14,618 but we don't wipe our mail. 665 00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:16,487 We don't wipe our groceries. 666 00:29:16,489 --> 00:29:17,855 [Robyn] Janelle, come on. [chuckles] 667 00:29:17,857 --> 00:29:21,959 No, I mean, I'm sorry, I think this is overkill. 668 00:29:21,961 --> 00:29:24,895 So think, it was really, we paused the last meeting 669 00:29:24,897 --> 00:29:26,430 'cause it was getting a little bit intense. 670 00:29:26,432 --> 00:29:29,099 We're coming back together again to finalize our plans. 671 00:29:30,401 --> 00:29:32,302 - Hi, ladies. - [Janelle] Hi. 672 00:29:32,304 --> 00:29:33,570 How's it going? 673 00:29:33,572 --> 00:29:36,507 [Janelle] Like, it's a real, huge, point of contention. 674 00:29:36,509 --> 00:29:37,708 Maybe the biggest... 675 00:29:38,576 --> 00:29:40,577 problem we've ever had in our marriage, 676 00:29:40,579 --> 00:29:44,715 our biggest contention, maybe, in our whole marriage has been this. 677 00:29:44,717 --> 00:29:48,652 On that note, ladies, we're here because of holidays? 678 00:29:48,654 --> 00:29:51,054 I think we just... I thought, it would be good to come back and just, 679 00:29:51,056 --> 00:29:52,356 kinda, make a final plan. 680 00:29:52,358 --> 00:29:56,794 My boys are pretty much orbiting Christine. 681 00:29:56,796 --> 00:30:00,364 No, okay, so I need to say my children... 682 00:30:00,366 --> 00:30:04,368 Like, Christine is huge in their world. 683 00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:07,838 She was the one who stayed with 'em when they were younger and I was working. 684 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,674 They said to me, "Mom, we'll do whatever Christine does." 685 00:30:10,676 --> 00:30:14,578 "If Christine decides to stay here, then we'll stay here." 686 00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:16,847 So, I mean, we're inclined to travel for Thanksgiving 687 00:30:16,849 --> 00:30:18,415 and be here for Christmas. 688 00:30:18,417 --> 00:30:20,851 But my boys, uh, it's, honestly, Christine, 689 00:30:20,853 --> 00:30:23,520 your make or break, what they're gonna wanna do. 690 00:30:23,522 --> 00:30:24,721 Oh, gosh! 691 00:30:24,723 --> 00:30:26,757 - No pressure. No pressure. - It's a lot of responsibility. 692 00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:28,725 [Christine] That is way too much pressure. 693 00:30:28,727 --> 00:30:31,228 I don't know, this is just all new information for me too. 694 00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:34,131 I don't know if we're gonna be able to get together or not 695 00:30:34,133 --> 00:30:36,300 which is really, really, super hard and heart-breaking. 696 00:30:36,668 --> 00:30:37,801 I get it! 697 00:30:37,803 --> 00:30:39,803 They wanna focus on doing things with Christine 698 00:30:39,805 --> 00:30:42,739 Christine doesn't make any rules or make anybody abide by them. 699 00:30:42,741 --> 00:30:44,374 I'm the heavy in the family. 700 00:30:44,376 --> 00:30:46,543 Um, I talked to Aspyn and Mitch, 701 00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:48,879 Mykelti, Tony and Paedon had told them all the rules 702 00:30:48,881 --> 00:30:51,281 that they needed follow if they want to come here for Christmas. 703 00:30:51,283 --> 00:30:53,851 And they said, they couldn't follow them. 704 00:30:53,853 --> 00:30:55,485 I talked to my girls and told them, 705 00:30:55,487 --> 00:30:57,054 "You know, whatever you wanna do." 706 00:30:57,056 --> 00:30:59,823 We can do the two week quarantine really strict. 707 00:30:59,825 --> 00:31:01,458 Or we could still go to Aspyn and Mitch's 708 00:31:01,460 --> 00:31:02,826 whatever you wanna do." And they wanna go to 709 00:31:02,828 --> 00:31:04,161 Aspyn and Mitch's. 710 00:31:04,163 --> 00:31:07,231 So we're going to go to Aspyn and Mitch's for Thanksgiving, 711 00:31:07,233 --> 00:31:09,333 but we will be here for Christmas. 712 00:31:09,335 --> 00:31:11,602 I was dreading telling them so much and so I just, 713 00:31:11,604 --> 00:31:15,572 said it at the very beginning of the conversation and got it done with. 714 00:31:15,574 --> 00:31:17,841 'Cause I was so worried how they would take it. 715 00:31:17,843 --> 00:31:20,577 I know that it's hard. 716 00:31:20,579 --> 00:31:23,347 That I am making a conscious decision 717 00:31:23,349 --> 00:31:26,917 to separate us for a family holiday. 718 00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:29,820 So, you are going to Utah? 719 00:31:29,822 --> 00:31:31,755 - [Robyn] I think so, yeah. - And you are going to Utah? 720 00:31:32,590 --> 00:31:34,124 [Meri] Wow. 721 00:31:34,126 --> 00:31:36,393 They are all saying they wanna get back together, 722 00:31:36,395 --> 00:31:39,129 but Christine has made it clear to me now, 723 00:31:39,131 --> 00:31:42,332 that she would rather be with Aspyn and Mitch 724 00:31:42,334 --> 00:31:45,969 and Tony and Mykelti than with me. 725 00:31:45,971 --> 00:31:48,772 And Janelle is indicating by her actions 726 00:31:48,774 --> 00:31:52,075 that she would rather have the boys around than me. 727 00:31:53,111 --> 00:31:54,378 [Robyn] So, this is gonna be weird. 728 00:31:54,380 --> 00:31:56,914 This will be my first Thanksgiving without everybody. 729 00:31:56,916 --> 00:31:59,483 - Well, you guys will do Thanksgiving, right? - I know. 730 00:31:59,485 --> 00:32:01,752 I am talking about everybody. Everybody, everybody. 731 00:32:01,754 --> 00:32:04,621 I am not everybody. I know I like to think that I am. 732 00:32:04,623 --> 00:32:06,823 - [Christine chuckles] - [Meri laughing] Right? 733 00:32:06,825 --> 00:32:08,191 I don't think that's what you-- 734 00:32:08,193 --> 00:32:11,028 Yeah, Meri. We cannot do Thanksgiving together. 735 00:32:11,030 --> 00:32:12,562 I'll do Thanksgiving with you, Robyn. 736 00:32:12,564 --> 00:32:14,331 It's a little frustrating. 737 00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:17,768 Because everybody's been complaining and making comments 738 00:32:17,770 --> 00:32:19,870 "Why can't we get together? Why can't we get together?" 739 00:32:19,872 --> 00:32:21,672 Well, now we can and you choose not to. 740 00:32:21,674 --> 00:32:24,408 What have I been doing, like, for the past six months? 741 00:32:24,410 --> 00:32:26,376 Why have I been doing this, you know? 742 00:32:26,378 --> 00:32:29,146 Well, I appreciate where everybody's at. 743 00:32:29,148 --> 00:32:32,316 - And, um... - [Robyn] You appreciate it? 744 00:32:32,318 --> 00:32:35,018 Yeah, I mean everybody's making choices about where they are going. 745 00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:36,486 You mean respect it? 746 00:32:36,488 --> 00:32:38,622 - [Kody] I respect it. Yeah. - Okay. Appreciate... 747 00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:40,524 I don't like the word appreciate. Can I just... 748 00:32:40,526 --> 00:32:43,026 - Can I just, uh... - [Kody] Well, okay. 749 00:32:43,028 --> 00:32:45,595 I am gonna respect what everybody's position is. 750 00:32:45,597 --> 00:32:48,298 But I do wanna say this that we do have an obligation. 751 00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:50,767 We have an obligation to a very large amount of people. 752 00:32:50,769 --> 00:32:53,103 [inhales] To be able to keep working. 753 00:32:53,105 --> 00:32:56,807 You know, we all work with people. And this issue of covid 754 00:32:56,809 --> 00:32:59,609 becomes very economic issue for our family 755 00:32:59,611 --> 00:33:01,845 and the families of those people we do business with. 756 00:33:01,847 --> 00:33:04,147 [Kody] Garrison works with people. He could harm them. 757 00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:07,951 Christine has an employee. That employee could get it... take it to their family. 758 00:33:07,953 --> 00:33:11,188 It could destroy them. Destroy their livelihood. 759 00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:13,690 You know I think I have struggled to communicate 760 00:33:13,692 --> 00:33:16,059 where I am at because I realized 761 00:33:16,061 --> 00:33:19,529 that the boys really just don't get why we're doing what we're doing. 762 00:33:20,398 --> 00:33:22,566 'Cause not a foot soldier here. 763 00:33:22,568 --> 00:33:24,301 I am, really, kind of a general, 764 00:33:24,303 --> 00:33:26,803 whether I am good at it or not. 765 00:33:26,805 --> 00:33:29,606 Our struggles in our family relationships 766 00:33:29,608 --> 00:33:33,710 is probably because I suck at them. 767 00:33:33,712 --> 00:33:35,812 [Janelle] I felt all of a sudden Kody's doing this bait and switch. 768 00:33:35,814 --> 00:33:38,949 It's like, "Oh, I respect it. But I am gonna put you on this guilt trip, 769 00:33:38,951 --> 00:33:41,084 so that you will change your mind." 770 00:33:41,086 --> 00:33:44,087 So, I don't really respect it. But I am gonna tell you I respect your decision. 771 00:33:45,723 --> 00:33:48,859 But I am not telling you how to live your life, anymore. 772 00:33:48,861 --> 00:33:52,396 [Kody] You guys are independent women. You can do whatever you want. 773 00:33:52,398 --> 00:33:56,099 I would ask you, seriously, to consider, 774 00:33:56,101 --> 00:33:59,269 a much bigger picture, the picture that I have to see. 775 00:34:00,805 --> 00:34:03,440 No guilt trip. Just a little prick to you conscience, 776 00:34:03,442 --> 00:34:05,509 and you guys decide what to do. 777 00:34:05,511 --> 00:34:08,011 'Cause I am not gonna tell this family how they do it. 778 00:34:08,013 --> 00:34:11,615 I am going to lead the way that I think is the right way. 779 00:34:11,617 --> 00:34:14,184 He is not trying to guilt trip us. 780 00:34:14,186 --> 00:34:16,219 I am pretty sure that was a guilt trip. 781 00:34:16,221 --> 00:34:22,359 If he wants me to make a choice between him and my kids, 782 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,828 my kids will always win. 783 00:34:25,396 --> 00:34:27,531 Every single time. 784 00:34:28,766 --> 00:34:31,268 [Janelle] You understand that if I stay here, I would be alone. 785 00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:33,437 Like alone. At Thanksgiving. 786 00:34:33,439 --> 00:34:35,072 - [Kody] That's... - And do you think I am going off... 787 00:34:35,074 --> 00:34:39,342 - Sweetheart, that is a choice you are making based on... - To not... to not like... 788 00:34:39,344 --> 00:34:41,845 You think I am going off and I am just not gonna wear a mask... 789 00:34:41,847 --> 00:34:43,580 - [Janelle] And not do other things? - No, nope, nope. 790 00:34:43,582 --> 00:34:47,551 [Kody] I am not making accusations. I am asking you people to consider. 791 00:34:47,553 --> 00:34:52,589 And then... and then shoulder that responsibility for yourself. 792 00:34:52,591 --> 00:34:55,826 Because I have certainly shouldered a lot of responsibility. 793 00:34:55,828 --> 00:34:58,962 He acts like I am not doing anything. 794 00:34:58,964 --> 00:35:02,599 I wear a mask. I social distance. I sanitize my hands. 795 00:35:02,601 --> 00:35:04,935 I do all the things that the CDC says to do. 796 00:35:04,937 --> 00:35:08,872 But because I don't follow all of his ten commandments, his rules, 797 00:35:08,874 --> 00:35:10,774 I am not following any rules, apparently. 798 00:35:12,076 --> 00:35:13,677 That's all I have gotta say about that. 799 00:35:15,313 --> 00:35:17,681 I hope everyone enjoys their Thanksgiving. 800 00:35:23,254 --> 00:35:25,455 Well, I guess, I am out. I am leaving. 801 00:35:26,157 --> 00:35:27,424 [Janelle laughs] 802 00:35:29,594 --> 00:35:32,262 [Christine] I am 100% have a clear conscience. 803 00:35:32,264 --> 00:35:34,564 - [Kody] Okay. - [Christine] On the choice I have made for Thanksgiving. 804 00:35:34,566 --> 00:35:37,634 Well, I have told you this so that you could share with your children 805 00:35:37,636 --> 00:35:40,370 so they can understand the perspective instead of... 806 00:35:40,372 --> 00:35:42,806 making phone calls to me, telling me, 807 00:35:42,808 --> 00:35:44,908 Dad, hey, you are really... 808 00:35:44,910 --> 00:35:48,311 Your rules are taking a toll on our family. 809 00:35:48,313 --> 00:35:52,415 You can continue in the vain of your little world, 810 00:35:52,417 --> 00:35:55,886 but I want you to understand mine. 811 00:35:55,888 --> 00:35:57,354 But it sounds like a guilt trip 812 00:35:57,356 --> 00:35:59,923 for the choices that I am making so I am not alone. 813 00:35:59,925 --> 00:36:02,993 - Kody there would be no way... - It's about-- 814 00:36:02,995 --> 00:36:05,962 There is no way that Garrison will be out of the house 815 00:36:05,964 --> 00:36:09,132 in time for me to be clear for Thanksgiving. 816 00:36:09,134 --> 00:36:13,103 So, I would be alone. So, why would I wanna stay and be alone? 817 00:36:13,105 --> 00:36:16,306 Jul, this is actually a play as much as anything. 818 00:36:16,308 --> 00:36:19,342 - So, that you and I can have... - It sounded like a guilt trip. 819 00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:22,712 Like, "I hope you know that you are jeopardizing all these people." 820 00:36:22,714 --> 00:36:25,815 You don' think I am aware? You don't think, I mean, being careful? 821 00:36:25,817 --> 00:36:27,250 Okay. 822 00:36:27,252 --> 00:36:28,685 I think you understand where I am at. 823 00:36:28,687 --> 00:36:30,086 I think you understand what I am talking about. 824 00:36:30,088 --> 00:36:32,455 And I think you understand the big picture that I have 825 00:36:32,457 --> 00:36:34,658 and I want you to just respect that. 826 00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:35,692 Okay? 827 00:36:38,229 --> 00:36:39,396 Yeah, [bleep] off. 828 00:37:04,488 --> 00:37:05,722 Am I being a bully? 829 00:37:05,724 --> 00:37:08,225 I don't understand why Janelle felt like she have to left. 830 00:37:08,227 --> 00:37:09,759 'Cause Janelle's hands were tied, Kody. 831 00:37:10,861 --> 00:37:15,398 Janelle's living in a home, where her kids are adults. 832 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,969 And they are making the decision to hang out socially. 833 00:37:18,971 --> 00:37:22,172 And she is got you on one end of the spectrum. 834 00:37:22,174 --> 00:37:25,075 And then, maybe Gabe on the other end of the spectrum. 835 00:37:25,077 --> 00:37:27,777 And she probably feels different everyday. 836 00:37:27,779 --> 00:37:29,980 She is getting crap from both sides. 837 00:37:29,982 --> 00:37:33,617 Your speech was very forceful. I know you are probably trying to be polite, 838 00:37:33,619 --> 00:37:37,454 and she probably has to deal with that kind of crap from her kids. 839 00:37:37,989 --> 00:37:40,056 All day long. 840 00:37:40,058 --> 00:37:43,126 I think it's irresponsible for him as a leader of the family 841 00:37:43,128 --> 00:37:46,263 to ignore half of his family. 842 00:37:46,265 --> 00:37:50,600 And not be with them at all. I think that's irresponsible. 843 00:37:50,602 --> 00:37:53,336 If he is the dad of all these kids... 844 00:37:55,539 --> 00:37:58,908 Whatever. Everyone's gotta make their own choices. He does too. 845 00:37:58,910 --> 00:38:03,613 People are making choices. And I feel like I am getting blamed. 846 00:38:04,548 --> 00:38:07,017 And I guess, that's just the way it is. 847 00:38:07,551 --> 00:38:09,019 [Kody sighs] 848 00:38:10,554 --> 00:38:12,455 Here's the thing. This is what I know about myself. 849 00:38:12,457 --> 00:38:15,058 I know that if somebody in this family dies, 850 00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:17,627 it's gonna be a bunch of other people I hate because of it. 851 00:38:18,362 --> 00:38:19,963 I think Christine hates me 852 00:38:20,765 --> 00:38:22,666 partly because Truely almost died. 853 00:38:23,768 --> 00:38:25,568 And she thought that I had been negligent. 854 00:38:26,437 --> 00:38:28,905 Okay. Changes relationships. 855 00:38:28,907 --> 00:38:32,108 [sinister instrumental music playing] 856 00:38:32,110 --> 00:38:35,979 [Christine] I am taking Truely to the doctor. She is lethargic. 857 00:38:35,981 --> 00:38:40,784 She doesn't have a lot of energy. She is just sitting there. 858 00:38:40,786 --> 00:38:41,985 [Christine] You wanna see the doctor? 859 00:38:43,287 --> 00:38:44,620 [softly] Yeah. 860 00:38:44,622 --> 00:38:46,623 - [Robyn] Did you see the text from Christine? - What's wrong? 861 00:38:46,625 --> 00:38:49,859 Well, Truely. She has taken her to the emergency room. 862 00:38:49,861 --> 00:38:51,061 To the emergency? 863 00:38:58,302 --> 00:39:00,303 - [Kody] One of the nurses told us... - [Christine sobs] 864 00:39:00,305 --> 00:39:03,840 She said normally cases like this, we don't expect them to leave. 865 00:39:04,508 --> 00:39:05,875 [Christine sobbing] 866 00:39:07,011 --> 00:39:08,845 The reason I have never brought this up before 867 00:39:08,847 --> 00:39:12,882 is because I didn't feel like I had to make the arguments so forcefully in the past. 868 00:39:12,884 --> 00:39:15,585 I don't wanna have one of my children die. 869 00:39:15,587 --> 00:39:18,955 And then me hate the people, who weren't doing the rules. 870 00:39:18,957 --> 00:39:22,225 And then end up in a divorce with whoever... 871 00:39:22,227 --> 00:39:25,962 Whoever's child died, 'cause that's pretty much a given anymore 872 00:39:25,964 --> 00:39:28,064 in our culture. 873 00:39:28,066 --> 00:39:30,500 I am sad that you are not gonna be here for Thanksgiving 874 00:39:30,502 --> 00:39:31,901 but I understand. 875 00:39:31,903 --> 00:39:34,070 - [Robyn sighs] - Sorry, it's because of the... 876 00:39:34,072 --> 00:39:35,739 Kids just... They can't do it. 877 00:39:35,741 --> 00:39:39,409 And, it's been a long time since we've seen them. 878 00:39:39,411 --> 00:39:42,612 And they are missing everybody. And the girls miss them so much. 879 00:39:42,614 --> 00:39:44,581 - All I am thinking is... - It's hard, isn't it? 880 00:39:44,583 --> 00:39:46,049 - You run into... - It is hard. 881 00:39:46,051 --> 00:39:48,284 - to play with the people who are breaking the rules... - I know. 882 00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:52,188 - [Kody mumbles] - I know, I know how you feel about that. 883 00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:53,823 Makes me jealous, in a way. 884 00:39:53,825 --> 00:39:55,224 [Robyn laughs] 885 00:39:55,226 --> 00:39:57,527 But I mean because they are rules that I have imposed upon myself 886 00:39:57,529 --> 00:39:59,963 for good reason. But they... It makes me jealous. 887 00:39:59,965 --> 00:40:02,532 [Meri] Every time I see somebody on social media, 888 00:40:02,534 --> 00:40:04,768 getting together with their friends, hangin' out, 889 00:40:04,770 --> 00:40:06,202 and I am like, I wanna do that. 890 00:40:06,204 --> 00:40:08,872 - [Robyn laughs] - I wanna be with my people. 891 00:40:08,874 --> 00:40:11,207 - I wanna hug. I wanna... - Yeah. 892 00:40:11,209 --> 00:40:16,713 You know. And I literally have spent this summer here. 893 00:40:17,915 --> 00:40:20,650 I don't know why this couldn't have been resolved, like, 894 00:40:21,218 --> 00:40:22,752 four or five months ago. 895 00:40:22,754 --> 00:40:27,390 You know, like, what am I supposed to say? You know, he's... 896 00:40:27,392 --> 00:40:30,760 spending the time at Robyn's 'cause she is following the rules. 897 00:40:30,762 --> 00:40:34,397 He's not spending the time at Christine's because she is not following the rules. 898 00:40:34,399 --> 00:40:36,966 He's not spending time at my house 899 00:40:36,968 --> 00:40:39,068 because he just doesn't spend time at my house 900 00:40:39,070 --> 00:40:40,637 but I am following the rules. 901 00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:43,273 I honestly don't even know what to say here. 902 00:40:43,275 --> 00:40:45,642 How I can even contribute to this conversation? 903 00:40:47,077 --> 00:40:49,946 [sinister instrumental music playing] 904 00:40:49,948 --> 00:40:51,581 [water splashing] 905 00:40:55,219 --> 00:40:58,154 So, I just left the discussion about the holidays, 906 00:40:58,156 --> 00:41:01,458 which I thought was gonna be a little team conversation. 907 00:41:01,859 --> 00:41:02,959 Um... 908 00:41:04,361 --> 00:41:06,429 And you know, I guess, I am just frustrated, 909 00:41:06,431 --> 00:41:09,833 because I am between a rock and a hard place here. 910 00:41:09,835 --> 00:41:14,070 I am having to make sure that my kids are safe. My kids are mentally well. 911 00:41:14,072 --> 00:41:17,974 I am giving them the best chance and then I am having to choose, 912 00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:19,876 these rules that the family has, 913 00:41:19,878 --> 00:41:22,011 which aren't very different from my rules. 914 00:41:22,013 --> 00:41:23,580 That I am stuck. I am stuck here. 915 00:41:23,582 --> 00:41:25,548 And I am like, I don't wanna spend Thanksgiving alone. 916 00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:30,086 My family's all being quarantined. I am not being dangerous here. 917 00:41:30,088 --> 00:41:32,188 Look, I mean, he is just condescending. 918 00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:35,325 He is acting like I am making irresponsible decisions. 919 00:41:35,327 --> 00:41:38,495 He acts like I don't have a big picture. That is not the case. 920 00:41:38,497 --> 00:41:41,531 And it's frustrating to me that he's trying to make 921 00:41:41,533 --> 00:41:44,133 it sound like I am all these horrible things. 922 00:41:45,469 --> 00:41:47,704 [Kody reading] 923 00:41:47,706 --> 00:41:51,174 This is so stupid. This is not how a family should operate. 924 00:41:51,176 --> 00:41:54,077 I am tired of being questioned. I am just tired of it. 925 00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:57,347 This isn't the family that I signed up for. 926 00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:59,315 There's like a wedge between us. 927 00:42:00,451 --> 00:42:02,785 I am just worried if it's gonna start making them 928 00:42:02,787 --> 00:42:04,320 start wanting to be around the family. 929 00:42:04,322 --> 00:42:06,723 Because they don't care to be around us. 930 00:42:06,725 --> 00:42:09,459 [Janelle] Hey, here we are. Having Thanksgiving. 931 00:42:09,461 --> 00:42:11,294 Alone. 932 00:42:11,296 --> 00:42:13,129 [Christine] I am just glad that 933 00:42:13,131 --> 00:42:15,665 I didn't let covid control my life. 934 00:42:15,667 --> 00:42:17,700 [Kody] To our family. 935 00:42:18,469 --> 00:42:19,936 To the coronapocalypse. 936 00:42:19,938 --> 00:42:25,742 The contrast made me aware of those who are loyal to me. 937 00:42:26,343 --> 00:42:27,911 And those who are not.