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[narrator] Previously on
Sister Wives...
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So theoretically, the only way
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to actually be able to see dad
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is to get COVID.
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- It could kill me, so...
- Cough in my mouth.
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I think at this point,
Gabriel should choose his
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girlfriend over his dad.
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Even though you really
want to be in Utah more,
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could you settle and be
here on this property?
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Or is that too much
to answer right now?
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[Christine] That's too much.
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We're not moving, are we?
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[sobbing]
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I'm tired of feeling like I
don't matter, I'm tired of...
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not having a support.
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[Kody] I am extremely frustrated
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that now she wants
to move to Utah.
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Mike, is there a better
way in your head
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to subdivide this for the five
lots than I have shown?
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I think that's the best
way to do it, I really do.
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I wonder if Kody
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already had the conversation
with Mike.
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And then Kody's like,
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"Okay Mike. can you then
help sell it to my wives?"
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So, Ysabel's surgery...
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When do they wanna schedule?
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I think September is...
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I don't think
I'm going to be going.
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[Kody] Why right now?
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Let's let COVID pass
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and then we can all go together.
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I'm not gonna go there.
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She's in enough pain
and I can't wait more.
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I know, that getting a surgery
during a pandemic isn't smart.
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I know that, I'm not stupid.
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Okay, I brought... this.
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Oh, actually good.
'Cause I actually...
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I printed off some but I'm like, "I
don't know how we're gonna..." So...
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I brought markers.
We could write on it.
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We're all getting
together to discuss
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the lots on the property.
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This conversation about
how to divide up the property
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is a long time coming.
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I'm ready for this.
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[Christine] I would love
to move back to Utah.
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I would love
to sell the property
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and buy houses in Utah instead.
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[Robyn] We have a lot
of weird things happening
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during COVID right now.
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With our family culture,
it's frightening me,
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it's scaring me,
it's stressing me out.
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Kody's in a dark place.
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And I just...
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hope we can get this
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damn thing figured out.
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It'd be so great.
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[Christine] I'm just gonna
move forward with my mouth
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and my mind.
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Whereas my heart's...
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not there, yet.
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[Christine] Look,
I brought a map.
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[Robyn] Okay.
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[Christine] Janelle brought
the safe conversation rules too.
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What do you want me
to bring over.
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[Kody] So, there's always been
this struggle that we've got
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with determining
where everybody goes.
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From the very beginning,
Janelle wanted the same spot.
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Well, Christine later on,
chose that same spot.
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Just a little further back.
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Robyn doesn't want
to be near the pond.
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Meri's talking about wanting
to be close to Robyn.
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It's a goat rodeo
of extreme proportions.
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And I want them
to be happy with it.
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[Janelle] Okay, so here's
a question I thought about.
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How important it is to us
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to have property that
we can divide off for kids?
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Each wife and her children,
that is her inheritance.
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I mean, and I know that
like we are family.
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We work together,
blah, blah, blah.
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But it really just keeps it...
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super cut and dry.
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Inheritance could get
really super sticky.
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And hard.
We have a lot of kids.
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[Janelle] You know,
when we all came together
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in the very beginning,
I believed everything was
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in common.
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We did our finances that way.
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And you know,
in the last few years,
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there's been a lot of voices
brought forward saying,
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"Look there's nothing that
legally binds us together.
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So what happens if we die?"
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It's just been
a change in culture
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and I don't know
how I feel about it.
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It makes me feel more separate.
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So, I think this idea
of each of us having
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a piece of property...
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I really don't think
that's a bad idea.
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It's just, really honestly,
something I've never thought about.
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'Cause we've never
really put down roots
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to pass on
an inheritance like that.
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Do we wanna start with like...
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[Janelle] Oh, our list
of what we want?
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Yeah, kind of where
everybody is at.
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Okay, I'll start.
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'Cause I've been pretty vocal.
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Like, I know I need
a place for greenhouses.
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Like, I really need
lot four or five
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because there are no trees.
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And I intend to have greenhouses
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and trees are bad.
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Trees provide shade
and you don't need shade
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if you have greenhouses.
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As long as you do
the gardening as well,
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and can feed me...
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- Yes. And you guys can even...
- I am on board with that.
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have room. I mean--
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[Meri] No, I don't want to.
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I tease my kids, I'm like,
"No, I'm gonna
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grow out my hair,
let it be all gray.
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Have tie dye skirts and...
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and I'm gonna just be that...
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witchy woman
or something like that."
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And my kids are like,
"Whatever, mom."
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I'm like, "You just wait.
You just wait."
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Everybody needs
to have a sister wife
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who can provide food for her.
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[Robyn] Who's next?
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You are, go ahead.
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- No.
- What the-- Really?
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No, I wanna hear what
everybody else has to say.
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Oh, I wanna hear what
everybody else has to say first.
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[giggles] Nobody wants to talk.
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We're not trusting
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each other with our feelings.
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[Kody] I struggle to understand
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the abyss of woman's minds.
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This is just stupid.
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[Meri] It's my house.
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Oh God!
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[Meri] No, I'm ju...
I'm just teasing.
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- I was just gonna say, "Robyn, go."
- I know you are. I'm fine.
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- It's my house, I was gonna say, "Robyn, go."
- Oh, really?
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- [all laughing]
- I love it. That's fine.
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- [Robyn] Oh, God!
- Okay Robyn, what do you want?
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Okay, it's actually more
of what I don't want.
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[Christine] Okay.
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No trees and then I also
don't wanna be near the pond.
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[Janelle] Write down
"No trees, no pond."
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[Robyn] No trees.
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Not close to trees,
not close to pond.
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[Kody] So, I got two wives
who are happy with their lots.
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Janelle and Robyn
like the four-acre lots.
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Lot four and lot five.
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[Christine] Robyn and Janelle,
they have the bigger lots.
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The thing is is, trees are...
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an asset on any piece
of property in Flagstaff.
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Trees make the property
value higher.
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If you want a big lot,
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there's no trees on a big lot,
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or take a smaller
lot with trees.
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Okay, I'll go, Christine.
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- [Christine] Yeah!
- [Meri] I want light, I want trees.
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I want it small,
I don't want a huge house.
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[Meri] I am fine with
taking that center piece.
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What number is it? Two?
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[Christine] All right.
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Yeah, I'm not in love
with the new configuration.
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This seems like it's very,
very small. I don't like it.
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I don't wanna be
that close to you.
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- [Meri] Right.
- No, I--
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I was just trying
to say it nicer.
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Yeah, I wasn't going to.
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[laughs]
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[chuckles] I've known
her for a lot of years.
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You know, she doesn't
wanna be that close to me.
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Your lot is plenty big enough,
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that you don't have
to have a house
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right next to Meri.
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Do you like that spot? The...
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Was it three?
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[Christine] Yeah, I'm great
to go three, honestly.
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The most important
thing to me, is the view.
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I had to let go of the hill.
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I love that hill.
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I really, really,
really do. But...
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I like the trees
more than the hill.
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[Janelle] Really?
Do you really?
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Or are you just trying
to convince yourself?
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I'm trying to
convince myself, too.
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'Cause I wanna be a team player.
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Christine has talked
from the very beginning
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about building
a house on the hill.
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And you know, having
the view of the mountain
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and the valley.
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And that's lot four.
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And lot four is the one
that works ideally for me
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with the greenhouses,
so there's a huge conflict.
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[Christine] So, Kody and I
are struggling anyway.
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I know that he knew,
I really like that lot.
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And so, to just be told...
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nonchalantly
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that greenhouses
are more important
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than where I wanted to live,
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was really hard.
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Honestly, I'm willing to just...
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I can do where
the greenhouse is wherever.
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If Christine wants lot four,
this should not be...
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emotional trauma.
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[Christine] Where
would you wanna go?
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Like, let's just make that step.
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Robyn, what's the optimal
lot that you want?
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Five is one. Four is two.
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- It's five.
- Five.
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My first choice is lot five.
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Okay Meri, what's your favorite?
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- What lot do you want? Yeah.
- Out of that configuration?
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- Four and a half.
- No.
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[all laughing]
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[Kody] It's not a joke to me.
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Everybody thinks
that this is funny.
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I don't think this
is funny anymore.
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[Christine] Really, what would
be your favorite lot?
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- [Meri] Two.
- [Christine] Okay.
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Yeah, I'm great
to go three, honestly.
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Meri's okay with lot two
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and Christine's
okay with lot three.
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So now, we just
need to seal this deal
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and have it in stone.
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Are you good with five?
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If everybody is okay with that.
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[Kody] You good with four?
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- [Janelle] Yeah.
- You good with two?
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- You good with three?
- Yes.
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Are you good with one?
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It's like last pick.
It's all right.
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[Robyn] What?
The lot that's...
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yours is actually the family's.
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This is not an asset that
I would ever be able to sell.
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I can't sell my lot
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because the full family
wants the access
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to the pond.
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You all have an asset
that the day you decide
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you don't wanna
be part of this family,
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you're out with your money.
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I'm not.
You have your freedom.
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And on the contrary, I do not.
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If everybody's happy,
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that would be the final...
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Okay, wait a minute,
Mr. Logical.
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[all cheering]
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I was actually thinking,
"Wow! It seems like..."
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[all cheering]
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Oh, my God! I'm so excited.
I'm like... emotional.
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- [Christine] Oh, finally.
- So crazy!
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Yes, it's so great.
It is so great.
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It's so good. It's so good.
257
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But we need to take
a minute and realize
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that this is a huge milestone.
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All right, I'm going
to go call Mike now.
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[Christine] No wait,
now we do a group prayer.
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- This is a good thing.
- [Robyn] Yes, please.
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- Okay? This is a good thing.
- [Robyn] I'm so excited.
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Now we do a group prayer.
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I am believing it because
Meri is laughing
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and she's joking
and she's playing.
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And Christine is
saying words like,
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"Amazing" and "Exciting"
and "Great" and she's smiling.
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That looks like
everybody is good.
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They're really good
with what we've chosen
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and we're happy.
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We are so grateful for our
many blessings and for this
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meeting that we have been
able to come to these
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understandings.
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[Christine] I don't
move on the property.
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I wanna move back to Utah,
I honestly do.
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Kody and I are struggling
more than ever before.
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The thought of living
here on the property
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with everybody else
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and seeing him in
full-functioning marriages,
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do I want that? No.
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The best that
I can give today...
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[sighs] is just to pretend.
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- Amen.
- [all] Amen.
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All right ladies...
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[indistinct chatter]
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I'm out of here.
287
00:11:09,536 --> 00:11:11,770
But I'm constantly
concerned that they're...
288
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They've got a... their fingers
crossed behind their backs.
289
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I'm happy, very happy
290
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to have everybody
finally decided
291
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but there's always that card
somebody wants to hold on to
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and that card is like, "I didn't
get exactly what I wanted.
293
00:11:25,619 --> 00:11:28,119
You don't love me as much
as I am supposed to be loved.
294
00:11:28,121 --> 00:11:29,254
You're not being fair
with me with your time.
295
00:11:29,256 --> 00:11:30,755
You're not doing this.
296
00:11:30,757 --> 00:11:33,725
You know, our children and our
problem children are your fault."
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First of all, it's heartbreaking
298
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and it's psychically
damaging for me
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as a husband,
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who simply just wants
a family that's happy.
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That's satisfied
in life. That is...
302
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That is okay with the choices
that they have made.
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[Janelle] I'm super-excited.
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Good, you can see it everybody?
305
00:11:59,052 --> 00:12:03,054
I have a feeling. I have a
feeling I know what this is about.
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[all cheering]
307
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Oh, my goodness!
308
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[Janelle] Oh, do we need chairs?
309
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- [Gabriel] I brought some for us.
- Oh, good.
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[Christine] So, we have
almost the whole family
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together today.
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Via electronic devices.
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For this news about the property
314
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but I'm not going to give
them news about the property.
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We have a surprise.
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[Christine] Should I
just move the table?
317
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- [Robyn] Yeah, I think we should move the table.
- [Gabriel] Heck yeah.
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[Janelle] This is our second
time getting together in a...
319
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relatively short period of time
320
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compared to the rest of
the year that we spent apart.
321
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So, here we go.
Another family gathering.
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It's making me very happy.
323
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[Meri] Started grabing chairs.
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-[Kody] Grab the chairs. Everybody's got a chair then?
-Just grab chairs!
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[Robyn] Christine...
326
00:12:50,903 --> 00:12:54,139
texted us and said
she wants to...
327
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talk to us all about
the property
328
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and have the kids
involved and...
329
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Frankly, I don't think
that's a great idea.
330
00:13:01,882 --> 00:13:03,414
They talk over each other.
331
00:13:04,083 --> 00:13:06,918
They have a huge opinion.
332
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I don't know. Should be fun.
333
00:13:08,755 --> 00:13:11,022
[Christine] We're good.
We're gonna start.
334
00:13:11,024 --> 00:13:12,757
Okay, thank you for coming.
I'm sorry it took so long.
335
00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:14,425
Country wifi is awesome.
336
00:13:15,127 --> 00:13:17,295
So, okay. I'm super-excited.
337
00:13:19,665 --> 00:13:21,366
[kids cheer]
338
00:13:22,835 --> 00:13:24,169
[Christine] Good,
you can see it everybody?
339
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Okay, say "Hi."
340
00:13:25,071 --> 00:13:27,405
[all] Hi!
341
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[Kody] Mykelti's my daughter.
342
00:13:28,774 --> 00:13:30,809
And Tony is my son-in-law.
343
00:13:30,811 --> 00:13:33,611
They got married about four,
little over four years ago.
344
00:13:33,613 --> 00:13:35,146
And they live in
Saint George, Utah.
345
00:13:35,148 --> 00:13:37,148
They're a great couple.
They're still...
346
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crazy, full of fun.
347
00:13:39,820 --> 00:13:42,921
Exciting to be around.
They bring the party.
348
00:13:42,923 --> 00:13:46,224
And I... I just love
to visit them.
349
00:13:46,892 --> 00:13:48,760
I have a feeling,
I have a feeling
350
00:13:48,762 --> 00:13:50,428
I know what this is about.
351
00:13:52,665 --> 00:13:56,267
Tony and I have
something to tell you.
352
00:13:56,769 --> 00:14:00,905
- [all cheering]
- [Mykelti] We're pregnant.
353
00:14:00,907 --> 00:14:03,975
- [Janelle] Oh, my God, yeah!
- [Kody] I saw that coming.
354
00:14:04,977 --> 00:14:06,711
[high-pitched] Yes!
355
00:14:06,713 --> 00:14:09,414
Mykelti and Tony
are having a baby!
356
00:14:09,416 --> 00:14:13,651
[indistinct chatter]
357
00:14:13,653 --> 00:14:16,921
[Christine] Very excited, this
will be our third grandchild.
358
00:14:16,923 --> 00:14:19,757
Mykelti is having a baby.
I'm super-excited.
359
00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:22,093
And her being my
biological daughter,
360
00:14:22,095 --> 00:14:24,262
maybe you'd think
that it would...
361
00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:26,631
mean something different.
362
00:14:26,633 --> 00:14:28,833
But it's not,
it's like Maddie has...
363
00:14:28,835 --> 00:14:31,703
two grandkids, Axle and Evie
are my grandkids.
364
00:14:31,705 --> 00:14:34,005
And Mykelti is having
another one of my grandkids.
365
00:14:34,007 --> 00:14:35,540
You know, it's super-exciting.
366
00:14:35,542 --> 00:14:37,041
I'm really looking
forward to it.
367
00:14:37,043 --> 00:14:39,744
As a mom, in a plural family,
my kids are my kids,
368
00:14:39,746 --> 00:14:42,714
even though all
the kids are our kids.
369
00:14:42,716 --> 00:14:45,650
But the grandkids are just
straight up, our grandkids.
370
00:14:45,652 --> 00:14:47,285
That's just what
it come down to.
371
00:14:50,256 --> 00:14:53,424
[Meri] This is fun,
this is exciting.
372
00:14:53,426 --> 00:14:55,727
[Robyn] I was so excited when I
found out that Maddie and Caleb
373
00:14:55,729 --> 00:14:58,730
were pregnant the first time
and then the second time.
374
00:14:58,732 --> 00:15:01,399
And I felt just as
excited with Mykelti...
375
00:15:02,401 --> 00:15:03,801
announcing her pregnancy.
376
00:15:03,869 --> 00:15:05,837
For me, I want
377
00:15:05,839 --> 00:15:09,140
so much to just be
a part of these kids lives.
378
00:15:09,142 --> 00:15:11,743
Okay, so dad was wondering...
379
00:15:11,745 --> 00:15:13,244
Okay, one at a time...
380
00:15:13,246 --> 00:15:14,846
First of all, did you guys
notice, Janelle was crying?
381
00:15:14,848 --> 00:15:16,915
[giggles]
382
00:15:16,917 --> 00:15:19,284
I'm just as excited
about this grand baby
383
00:15:19,985 --> 00:15:21,152
as I was the others.
384
00:15:22,087 --> 00:15:22,720
Hi!
385
00:15:22,722 --> 00:15:23,755
[Mykelti] Hi, dad.
386
00:15:23,757 --> 00:15:25,223
[Kody] Congratulations.
387
00:15:26,792 --> 00:15:28,059
She's pregnant.
388
00:15:29,962 --> 00:15:31,629
- I got little baby shoes.
- Oh, they're...
389
00:15:31,631 --> 00:15:32,563
Yeah!
390
00:15:32,565 --> 00:15:35,867
Are the shoes gender
specific or not?
391
00:15:35,869 --> 00:15:38,303
[Christine] Are the shoes
gender spec-- Yeah.
392
00:15:38,305 --> 00:15:40,238
[Mykelti] We think
it's gonna be a girl.
393
00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,573
That's what I...
I feel like it's a girl.
394
00:15:42,575 --> 00:15:45,910
So, we think it's a girl but
they're technically unisex shoes
395
00:15:45,912 --> 00:15:47,412
because they match
the kind of shoes
396
00:15:47,414 --> 00:15:48,813
Tony and I wear a lot.
397
00:15:48,815 --> 00:15:51,115
[Christine] That is so cute!
398
00:15:51,383 --> 00:15:52,650
[Mykelti] Technically, unisex.
399
00:15:52,652 --> 00:15:54,953
We think it's a girl but
we don't actually know, yet.
400
00:15:54,955 --> 00:15:57,088
I think that my grandma name
will probably just be Oma
401
00:15:57,090 --> 00:15:58,957
with all of the kids.
402
00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:00,425
So, Mykelti's gonna have,
403
00:16:00,427 --> 00:16:03,061
Maria, Tony's mom,
is gonna be Abuela.
404
00:16:03,063 --> 00:16:04,862
And then, I'm gonna be Oma
405
00:16:04,864 --> 00:16:06,798
and I don't know, we'll just
see what the other...
406
00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:07,999
grandma's are.
407
00:16:08,001 --> 00:16:10,802
I came up with Bubby because
I know it's a Czechoslovakian
408
00:16:10,804 --> 00:16:11,836
name for grandma.
409
00:16:11,838 --> 00:16:12,971
So, I'm Bubby.
410
00:16:13,739 --> 00:16:15,740
See, I'm... I'm so boring.
411
00:16:15,742 --> 00:16:17,775
My grandma name
is really just Grandma.
412
00:16:17,777 --> 00:16:20,945
I don't really have
an assigned grandma name.
413
00:16:21,613 --> 00:16:23,181
[Christine] Maddie wants
to know about names.
414
00:16:23,183 --> 00:16:24,949
Have you guys thought of names?
415
00:16:24,951 --> 00:16:28,853
[Mykelti] Yes, if it's a girl,
it's Avalon Marie Padron
416
00:16:28,855 --> 00:16:31,756
and if it's a boy, it's Antonio
417
00:16:31,758 --> 00:16:32,724
something-or-other Padron.
418
00:16:32,726 --> 00:16:34,425
[Christine giggles]
419
00:16:34,427 --> 00:16:36,794
[Meri] I'm holding them to
that something or other.
420
00:16:36,796 --> 00:16:38,763
- [Christine] Yeah...
- [Mykelti] Antonio the Third.
421
00:16:38,765 --> 00:16:40,331
[Christine] Everyone
super-excited.
422
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,600
[woman 1] I am so excited.
423
00:16:42,602 --> 00:16:44,736
[indistinct chatter]
424
00:16:44,738 --> 00:16:47,905
All right, since we can
only do this organized,
425
00:16:47,907 --> 00:16:49,607
let's give three cheers, okay?
426
00:16:49,609 --> 00:16:51,843
- Hip hip, hooray!
- [all screaming] Hooray!
427
00:16:51,845 --> 00:16:53,878
- Hip hip, hooray!
- [all screaming] Hooray!
428
00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,047
- Hip hip, hooray!
- [all screaming] Hooray!
429
00:16:56,849 --> 00:16:58,282
[all cheering]
430
00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:00,818
[Mykelti] Thanks guys,
we love you!
431
00:17:00,820 --> 00:17:01,919
[Robyn] Wait, when is she due?
432
00:17:01,921 --> 00:17:04,922
Wait, when are you due?
We didn't get that.
433
00:17:04,924 --> 00:17:06,791
[Mykelti] We're due
at the end of March.
434
00:17:06,793 --> 00:17:07,859
[all cheering]
435
00:17:07,861 --> 00:17:10,795
[indistinct cheering]
436
00:17:10,797 --> 00:17:12,764
All I need to do,
is just hold the baby.
437
00:17:12,766 --> 00:17:14,465
I don't care if it's
a boy or a girl
438
00:17:14,467 --> 00:17:16,868
or really what its name is,
to be completely honest...
439
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:19,737
All I care about is spending
time with this little thing.
440
00:17:19,739 --> 00:17:21,105
[Christine] All right,
love you guys.
441
00:17:21,107 --> 00:17:24,108
- Congratulations!
- Love you, congratulations!
442
00:17:24,110 --> 00:17:26,210
[indistinct cheering]
443
00:17:26,212 --> 00:17:28,046
We love you!
444
00:17:29,882 --> 00:17:30,815
[Kody] So...
445
00:17:30,817 --> 00:17:33,684
if you stand right here,
446
00:17:33,686 --> 00:17:35,153
this can be like your deck.
447
00:17:35,421 --> 00:17:37,455
[Kody] I need her to just go,
448
00:17:37,457 --> 00:17:40,758
"Listen, I get it. It doesn't
work for us to move to Utah."
449
00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,727
[Christine] This is not a safe
conversation anymore.
450
00:17:42,729 --> 00:17:44,128
I'm sorry, it's just not.
451
00:17:45,864 --> 00:17:48,032
I'm not gonna talk to you.
452
00:18:16,962 --> 00:18:21,032
Cody just said he
wanted to chat here...
453
00:18:21,433 --> 00:18:24,068
on the property,
so I don't know.
454
00:18:27,739 --> 00:18:29,674
[Kody] I'm just hoping
that I can convince Christine
455
00:18:29,676 --> 00:18:32,009
that living here in this spot
456
00:18:32,011 --> 00:18:35,213
will be better than any
place you could be in Utah.
457
00:18:35,215 --> 00:18:37,248
- Hi! So...
- [Christine] Hey!
458
00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:38,349
If...
459
00:18:39,818 --> 00:18:41,152
you stand right here,
460
00:18:41,154 --> 00:18:43,054
this can be, like your deck.
461
00:18:45,624 --> 00:18:48,493
[Christine] Cody and I have
been struggling for a while.
462
00:18:48,495 --> 00:18:49,861
We want different things
in our relationship.
463
00:18:49,863 --> 00:18:52,096
We want a different
kind of relationship.
464
00:18:53,098 --> 00:18:54,132
Have you been waiting
for a few minutes?
465
00:18:54,134 --> 00:18:54,932
Sorry, I'm late.
466
00:18:54,934 --> 00:18:56,367
No, it's all right.
You're fine.
467
00:18:57,903 --> 00:18:59,770
So, I don't even wanna
talk to him right now,
468
00:18:59,772 --> 00:19:01,105
to be honest with you.
469
00:19:02,841 --> 00:19:06,110
What I wanted to meet
with you, not because...
470
00:19:06,112 --> 00:19:07,945
I... You know,
this great idea here
471
00:19:07,947 --> 00:19:10,281
because we're checking out
this plot but it's not about this.
472
00:19:10,749 --> 00:19:11,349
Oh!
473
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:13,751
Last time we talked about,
474
00:19:13,753 --> 00:19:15,820
when you talked about
moving to Utah,
475
00:19:15,822 --> 00:19:17,155
I got really, really giddy.
476
00:19:17,856 --> 00:19:19,790
I just got giddy.
477
00:19:19,792 --> 00:19:21,292
When Cody and I
were talking about it,
478
00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:22,627
just the two of us,
479
00:19:22,629 --> 00:19:24,896
he was giddy, he was excited.
480
00:19:24,898 --> 00:19:27,298
When we got onto the
property and I brought it up,
481
00:19:27,432 --> 00:19:28,699
I thought that...
482
00:19:28,967 --> 00:19:31,903
we were gonna be more of like
a team or something, you know?
483
00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:33,337
I wanna move back.
484
00:19:34,773 --> 00:19:36,107
[Kody] Did you think
that everybody else
485
00:19:36,109 --> 00:19:38,976
was gonna feel the same
way about moving back?
486
00:19:44,983 --> 00:19:46,184
It was terrible.
487
00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:49,287
I felt just so betrayed.
488
00:19:49,855 --> 00:19:50,988
[sobbing]
489
00:19:52,257 --> 00:19:53,257
[Kody] So, when we met last,
490
00:19:53,259 --> 00:19:56,794
I felt like I was cutting
you off too harshly.
491
00:19:56,796 --> 00:19:59,864
I was like, "No, that will never
happen, we're not moving back to Utah."
492
00:19:59,866 --> 00:20:01,232
I was trying to be stoic.
493
00:20:03,835 --> 00:20:04,969
And I feel bad.
494
00:20:04,971 --> 00:20:07,104
I'm... I wanna say, I'm sorry.
495
00:20:07,673 --> 00:20:09,407
Thank you, it was hard to hear.
496
00:20:10,842 --> 00:20:13,878
What is the stupid
word he's using? Stoic?
497
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,146
Bull [bleep], he was an ass.
498
00:20:15,814 --> 00:20:17,715
[sighs]
499
00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:20,218
Stoic? Whatever, you
wish you were stoic.
500
00:20:25,490 --> 00:20:26,624
I don't wanna be here.
501
00:20:26,626 --> 00:20:30,595
I don't wanna talk to him,
I don't trust a word. There.
502
00:20:30,597 --> 00:20:33,130
It's 'cause I don't trust a word
that's coming out of his mouth.
503
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,201
I don't believe him
that he's sorry.
504
00:20:39,771 --> 00:20:41,939
I want to hear what
everybody had to say.
505
00:20:44,209 --> 00:20:44,976
What I want to be careful about,
506
00:20:44,978 --> 00:20:45,977
is I don't want you to feel like
507
00:20:45,979 --> 00:20:48,379
your sister wives
are against you.
508
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:52,683
I don't wanna go through
the whole process
509
00:20:52,685 --> 00:20:55,686
of saying, Meri will go
anywhere I choose to go.
510
00:20:55,688 --> 00:20:58,389
Janelle refuses
to leave Flagstaff.
511
00:20:58,391 --> 00:21:01,826
And Robyn says, "I would love
to live in Utah but that's
512
00:21:01,828 --> 00:21:05,229
impossible for me to feel like
my children will be safe.
513
00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:10,301
I have talked to
everybody about it.
514
00:21:12,404 --> 00:21:13,804
And... and every...
515
00:21:13,806 --> 00:21:16,340
There's mixed emotions
about it altogether.
516
00:21:17,576 --> 00:21:19,744
- And so...
- About moving?
517
00:21:19,746 --> 00:21:22,013
I really would
rather not have...
518
00:21:22,015 --> 00:21:23,881
tell you where everybody's at
519
00:21:23,883 --> 00:21:26,050
and just let you
sort of figure...
520
00:21:26,618 --> 00:21:28,019
where you're at.
521
00:21:29,821 --> 00:21:31,856
So, why is he going
behind my back or whatever?
522
00:21:31,858 --> 00:21:33,257
Why is he...
523
00:21:33,259 --> 00:21:34,859
going and having these
conversations again?
524
00:21:34,861 --> 00:21:37,395
He... I thought he made
himself perfectly clear.
525
00:21:37,397 --> 00:21:38,796
Of course, that was maybe
just one part of him.
526
00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:39,797
I have no idea.
527
00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:43,167
I don't know what part
of him to believe.
528
00:21:43,869 --> 00:21:45,002
I would move
to Utah in a heartbeat.
529
00:21:45,004 --> 00:21:46,137
Are you kidding me?
530
00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:48,739
Is it on the table still?
531
00:21:48,741 --> 00:21:51,876
No, it's not on the table, I...
532
00:21:51,878 --> 00:21:54,845
The whole reason, I didn't
wanna slam her again.
533
00:21:54,847 --> 00:21:56,347
Listen, this is a woman
534
00:21:56,349 --> 00:21:58,749
who hasn't heard us all say no.
535
00:21:58,751 --> 00:22:01,919
No, we're not moving to Utah
but I wanna be subtle about it
536
00:22:01,921 --> 00:22:03,154
and how do you do that
when she's saying,
537
00:22:03,156 --> 00:22:04,955
"Is it still on the table?"
538
00:22:05,057 --> 00:22:06,157
Not really.
539
00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:07,391
No...
540
00:22:07,393 --> 00:22:09,627
I don't know if I could ride
this emotional roller-coaster,
541
00:22:09,629 --> 00:22:11,562
okay? I don't...
542
00:22:11,564 --> 00:22:14,265
- I cannot ride this emotional roller-coaster.
- Christine...
543
00:22:14,267 --> 00:22:16,934
Christine's not very
warm. [giggles]
544
00:22:16,936 --> 00:22:19,136
She's still bugged.
545
00:22:19,371 --> 00:22:20,338
I can tell.
546
00:22:23,608 --> 00:22:26,811
What I'm trying to do
here, is see if you...
547
00:22:26,813 --> 00:22:31,849
see better reasons
to stay than to go.
548
00:22:31,851 --> 00:22:34,919
So, you don't feel trapped by
the rest of the family's decisions.
549
00:22:36,688 --> 00:22:38,289
Does he want me to say,
550
00:22:39,091 --> 00:22:40,958
"I am fine with living here
551
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,194
and I don't want to
move back to Utah"?
552
00:22:43,196 --> 00:22:43,694
Is that what he's saying?
553
00:22:43,696 --> 00:22:45,896
I need her to just go,
554
00:22:45,898 --> 00:22:48,999
"Listen, I get it. It doesn't
work for us to move to Utah."
555
00:22:49,001 --> 00:22:51,001
I've got a lot of family
that lives there
556
00:22:51,003 --> 00:22:52,403
and it just feels like home.
557
00:22:52,405 --> 00:22:54,171
We don't have a community here.
558
00:22:55,741 --> 00:22:57,942
I don't know how
to work this out.
559
00:23:00,145 --> 00:23:01,812
There's other reasons that
I don't really wanna...
560
00:23:01,814 --> 00:23:03,647
discuss why...
561
00:23:03,649 --> 00:23:04,749
I don't really want
to end up here
562
00:23:04,751 --> 00:23:06,117
and why I'd rather go back.
563
00:23:07,953 --> 00:23:09,954
But I don't really
wanna... I'm...
564
00:23:11,857 --> 00:23:12,923
go down that road, really.
565
00:23:15,961 --> 00:23:18,662
I feel like I'm constantly
dealing with a situation
566
00:23:18,664 --> 00:23:20,965
with Christine, where I can't
make her happy.
567
00:23:20,967 --> 00:23:23,401
She won't be
happy with anything.
568
00:23:23,403 --> 00:23:25,403
And now, I'm starting to wonder
569
00:23:25,405 --> 00:23:26,404
what's going on?
570
00:23:29,408 --> 00:23:31,409
Well, then what do we do?
571
00:23:31,877 --> 00:23:32,676
Well...
572
00:23:33,812 --> 00:23:34,945
If we start building homes here,
573
00:23:34,947 --> 00:23:36,414
are you...
574
00:23:36,416 --> 00:23:38,015
I'm not ready
to build mine, yet.
575
00:23:42,387 --> 00:23:45,256
Why would I want to live
576
00:23:45,857 --> 00:23:48,058
on the same property
577
00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:50,428
with a dysfunctional marriage?
578
00:23:51,563 --> 00:23:53,931
Where right over there,
579
00:23:53,933 --> 00:23:56,233
he's got a full
functioning marriage?
580
00:23:58,770 --> 00:24:01,005
Who in their right mind
581
00:24:01,007 --> 00:24:04,375
would ever want
to live like that?
582
00:24:07,646 --> 00:24:09,146
[Kody] Maybe she
just doesn't want to be
583
00:24:09,148 --> 00:24:10,414
near the other sister wives.
584
00:24:10,416 --> 00:24:12,016
I don't know.
585
00:24:12,018 --> 00:24:13,784
She wasn't happy in Lehigh
and she wasn't...
586
00:24:13,786 --> 00:24:16,020
happy in Las Vegas.
587
00:24:16,022 --> 00:24:18,689
If she's not gonna be happy
if we don't move to Utah,
588
00:24:18,691 --> 00:24:19,590
what can I do?
589
00:24:21,059 --> 00:24:23,027
It's not fair to
the rest of the family.
590
00:24:30,836 --> 00:24:32,770
[Christine] I just thought that
mine and Kody's relationship
591
00:24:32,772 --> 00:24:35,306
would get better in Vegas.
592
00:24:36,107 --> 00:24:37,875
Once we got to the cull de sac.
593
00:24:37,877 --> 00:24:39,143
And it didn't.
594
00:24:39,145 --> 00:24:41,979
If mine and Kody's
relationship were better,
595
00:24:42,714 --> 00:24:44,715
and we both...
596
00:24:44,717 --> 00:24:46,851
wanted the same type
of a relationship,
597
00:24:46,853 --> 00:24:48,986
that's a full marriage,
598
00:24:49,855 --> 00:24:54,258
I could handle staying
here, a lot easier.
599
00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:56,861
Tell me more, Christine
about this feeling about
600
00:24:56,863 --> 00:24:58,762
about moving to Utah.
601
00:24:58,764 --> 00:25:00,130
Just tell me more about...
602
00:25:03,535 --> 00:25:04,435
I don't-- No,
603
00:25:04,703 --> 00:25:06,403
this is not a safe
conversation anymore.
604
00:25:06,405 --> 00:25:07,872
I'm sorry, it's just not.
605
00:25:07,874 --> 00:25:10,407
- Why not?
- 'Cause it's not, 'cause you're not safe.
606
00:25:10,409 --> 00:25:12,076
'Cause I'm not safe?
607
00:25:20,852 --> 00:25:21,952
[Kody] Okay.
608
00:25:23,889 --> 00:25:25,956
I'm not gonna talk to you.
609
00:25:40,739 --> 00:25:42,806
What did I say that was unsafe?
610
00:25:42,808 --> 00:25:48,012
[Christine sobbing]
611
00:25:52,651 --> 00:25:54,919
Look, he's not even
my friend right now.
612
00:25:54,921 --> 00:25:57,154
Why would I talk
to him about things
613
00:25:57,156 --> 00:25:59,990
that are close to my heart
if he's not even my friend?
614
00:26:02,727 --> 00:26:03,327
[softly] I just...
615
00:26:06,932 --> 00:26:08,165
I think we just want...
616
00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:23,714
[Kody] She walked off
617
00:26:23,716 --> 00:26:26,250
and I felt the conversation
just was starting.
618
00:26:28,353 --> 00:26:30,154
[Christine] Feels like
a bit of a cross roads.
619
00:26:30,156 --> 00:26:31,355
I don't know what to do.
620
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:36,160
[sobbing]
621
00:26:53,945 --> 00:26:55,579
[Kody] Christine and Ysabel
are leaving very soon
622
00:26:55,581 --> 00:26:57,448
for Ysabel's surgery.
623
00:26:57,450 --> 00:27:00,050
They'll come in four inches and
they'll attach a screw to her spine.
624
00:27:00,052 --> 00:27:02,353
[Christine] Kody's not gonna
see the kids, for like...
625
00:27:02,854 --> 00:27:05,322
eight weeks or so.
626
00:27:05,324 --> 00:27:07,558
I think us, being
separated for a while
627
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,294
for this month might be good.
628
00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:17,668
[Kody] So yesterday,
Christine and I were visiting.
629
00:27:17,670 --> 00:27:19,403
Nothing was discussed
with Cristine.
630
00:27:19,405 --> 00:27:21,972
He just walked off, I don't
know what the problem was.
631
00:27:23,508 --> 00:27:26,910
I don't know why,
I don't know what's going on.
632
00:27:26,912 --> 00:27:29,847
I'm sitting here going...
With a lot of questions,
633
00:27:29,849 --> 00:27:32,383
but I'm not gonna confront
her with it right now
634
00:27:32,385 --> 00:27:35,519
because tomorrow, Ysabel
is leaving for New Jersey.
635
00:27:35,521 --> 00:27:36,553
They're leaving.
636
00:27:36,555 --> 00:27:39,189
I'm not gonna sit and get
confrontational right now.
637
00:27:42,594 --> 00:27:45,429
[Christine] I need to talk to all
the adults about Ysabel's surgery.
638
00:27:45,431 --> 00:27:48,599
What happens between Kody
and I, that's just separate.
639
00:27:48,601 --> 00:27:50,267
I'm gonna compartmentalize.
640
00:27:52,837 --> 00:27:54,505
We found out that
Ysabel has scoliosis
641
00:27:54,507 --> 00:27:56,040
when she was 14.
642
00:27:58,543 --> 00:28:00,110
We have doctors,
we've been seeing.
643
00:28:00,112 --> 00:28:01,178
We've been seeing chiropractors.
644
00:28:01,180 --> 00:28:02,579
We've been seeing
and doing everything possible
645
00:28:02,581 --> 00:28:04,415
but about nine months ago,
646
00:28:04,417 --> 00:28:06,617
we found out that her
curve has progressed
647
00:28:06,619 --> 00:28:10,120
to the point where,
she has to get surgery.
648
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:16,894
[Kody] Christine has invited
me and the other moms over
649
00:28:16,896 --> 00:28:18,929
to essentially explain
what their experience...
650
00:28:18,931 --> 00:28:22,132
Or like the roadmap,
sort of mapping out to us.
651
00:28:22,134 --> 00:28:23,901
What their experience
is gonna be like
652
00:28:23,903 --> 00:28:25,135
for the next six weeks.
653
00:28:27,305 --> 00:28:29,807
We as a family have...
654
00:28:29,809 --> 00:28:33,944
kind of fallen off the wagon
as far as the family goes.
655
00:28:33,946 --> 00:28:35,713
- This looks all formal.
- [Christine] Does it?
656
00:28:35,715 --> 00:28:37,047
It's not supposed to.
657
00:28:37,049 --> 00:28:38,882
[Kody] We're essentially
socially distancing
658
00:28:38,884 --> 00:28:41,085
from each other.
659
00:28:41,087 --> 00:28:42,986
But there has been some
travel in the family
660
00:28:42,988 --> 00:28:46,490
and Christine and Ysabel
have been travelling
661
00:28:46,492 --> 00:28:47,758
quite a bit, this summer.
662
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,762
So, we're currently staying
socially distanced.
663
00:28:51,764 --> 00:28:54,465
- [Meri chuckling] Yes, yes.
- [Christine] See how we're closer?
664
00:28:54,467 --> 00:28:55,566
[Janelle] So, I have observed,
665
00:28:55,568 --> 00:28:58,635
the differences in
opinions about COVID.
666
00:28:58,637 --> 00:29:01,805
They put a lot of pressure
on the relationships.
667
00:29:01,807 --> 00:29:03,841
When we're not getting
together as a family,
668
00:29:03,843 --> 00:29:05,309
there's a lot of time
669
00:29:05,643 --> 00:29:06,844
to be busy in my head,
670
00:29:06,846 --> 00:29:08,979
imagining things my
sister wives are doing
671
00:29:08,981 --> 00:29:11,482
or imagining things that
Kody is saying or doing
672
00:29:11,484 --> 00:29:14,551
or making up stories in my head
673
00:29:14,553 --> 00:29:17,988
and I just think that's really
dangerous for plural relationships.
674
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:19,690
And I suspect,
that's probably happening
675
00:29:19,692 --> 00:29:22,025
in all the relationships.
676
00:29:22,027 --> 00:29:23,460
[Christine] Okay,
I looked up the surgery.
677
00:29:23,462 --> 00:29:26,130
So, I thought I'd explain to you
guys a little bit more what's happening.
678
00:29:26,132 --> 00:29:27,231
So, this is Ysabel's spine.
679
00:29:27,832 --> 00:29:28,465
Right here. See that?
680
00:29:28,467 --> 00:29:30,134
Beautiful spine.
681
00:29:30,136 --> 00:29:31,802
They'll come in four inches
and they attach a screw
682
00:29:31,804 --> 00:29:33,604
to her spine's screw.
683
00:29:33,606 --> 00:29:35,739
Screw, screw, screw,
screw, screw.
684
00:29:35,741 --> 00:29:37,708
Then they attach these fibers
685
00:29:37,710 --> 00:29:40,110
and then they
tighten the screws.
686
00:29:40,112 --> 00:29:42,679
- [Janelle] Oh wow!
- And that's how it works.
687
00:29:42,681 --> 00:29:43,480
She's gonna be taller.
688
00:29:43,482 --> 00:29:44,615
[Ysabel] Two or three inches.
689
00:29:44,617 --> 00:29:46,416
- [Kody] They're saying two inches taller?
- Yeah.
690
00:29:46,418 --> 00:29:47,718
- I don't believe that at all.
- Nope.
691
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,753
Nope. Yeah, isn't that crazy?
692
00:29:49,755 --> 00:29:52,856
We want to see photos
of this and this.
693
00:29:52,858 --> 00:29:53,791
[Kody] This will
be very interesting
694
00:29:53,793 --> 00:29:55,793
if she actually does get--
695
00:29:55,795 --> 00:29:57,861
I couldn't believe that she'd
get more than an inch taller.
696
00:29:57,863 --> 00:29:59,997
[Ysabel] He said two or three.
697
00:30:01,966 --> 00:30:05,636
Ysabel... Okay, Ysabel
does wanna have no pain
698
00:30:05,638 --> 00:30:07,404
at the end of surgery
699
00:30:07,406 --> 00:30:10,741
but really, what she
wants in her like...
700
00:30:10,743 --> 00:30:12,976
hidden agenda is
to be six feet tall.
701
00:30:12,978 --> 00:30:14,144
Right now, she's like...
702
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,079
5'10".
703
00:30:16,081 --> 00:30:16,947
Are you kidding?
704
00:30:16,949 --> 00:30:19,983
[indistinct chatter]
705
00:30:19,985 --> 00:30:22,686
Because of the curve,
I mean, he's a doctor.
706
00:30:22,688 --> 00:30:23,821
He kinda...
707
00:30:23,823 --> 00:30:25,088
Yeah well, no you can do
the math on what it's gonna
708
00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:25,889
do once it straighten out.
709
00:30:25,891 --> 00:30:27,624
[Meri] That's my point.
710
00:30:27,626 --> 00:30:31,161
No way! The doctor's
saying two to three?
711
00:30:31,163 --> 00:30:34,398
That would actually be really
fun and really cool.
712
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,866
I think he's just embarrassed
713
00:30:35,868 --> 00:30:37,568
that his daughter's
gonna be taller than him.
714
00:30:37,570 --> 00:30:39,036
Right now,
I'm not taller than him
715
00:30:39,038 --> 00:30:41,405
but after the surgery,
if I go two to three inches,
716
00:30:41,407 --> 00:30:42,806
I definitely will be.
717
00:30:42,808 --> 00:30:44,708
[Robyn] After you get
the surgery, like...
718
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:46,743
What are you looking
forward to doing the most?
719
00:30:46,745 --> 00:30:49,713
Now that you're...
Once your spine is straight.
720
00:30:49,715 --> 00:30:52,749
Being more pain free. It's
like driving without pain.
721
00:30:52,751 --> 00:30:53,817
Waking up without pain,
722
00:30:53,819 --> 00:30:56,820
going to bed, being able
to breathe without pain.
723
00:30:56,822 --> 00:30:58,956
- [Robyn] She's in pain every day now.
- [Christine] Yeah.
724
00:30:58,958 --> 00:31:02,826
It's not really a dull ache
but it's like a sharp pain.
725
00:31:02,828 --> 00:31:04,928
Like, every time I move kind of,
726
00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:07,464
I get like sharp pains
down my back.
727
00:31:07,466 --> 00:31:09,666
Savannah told me how much
like you would hurt
728
00:31:09,668 --> 00:31:11,969
- on the way to school and stuff.
- Yeah, yeah.
729
00:31:11,971 --> 00:31:15,873
Just because I'm not
Ysabel's biological mother,
730
00:31:15,875 --> 00:31:18,108
doesn't mean that...
731
00:31:18,877 --> 00:31:21,979
you know, it makes
me any less sad
732
00:31:21,981 --> 00:31:23,680
that she's in pain.
733
00:31:23,682 --> 00:31:25,682
I feel as empathic
to Ysabel's pain
734
00:31:25,684 --> 00:31:27,084
as I would my own kids' pain.
735
00:31:27,086 --> 00:31:29,019
When I see Ysabel
in pain, I just...
736
00:31:29,021 --> 00:31:30,888
want to go mommy her.
737
00:31:30,890 --> 00:31:34,725
Ysabel's like the strongest,
most amazing kid I know.
738
00:31:34,727 --> 00:31:39,429
She has been in constant
pain for so long.
739
00:31:39,431 --> 00:31:41,798
[Ysabel] I think it'll be
easier on my mom, because...
740
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,033
I think it's been
really hard on her
741
00:31:43,035 --> 00:31:46,036
just seeing her kid
go through so much pain.
742
00:31:46,871 --> 00:31:47,938
[Christine] Late and night,
743
00:31:48,406 --> 00:31:50,407
when I am checking in
with am I a good mom...
744
00:31:52,510 --> 00:31:54,678
On that part,
I fell a little bit sometimes.
745
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,048
I just feel partially
responsible for her pain.
746
00:31:58,850 --> 00:32:02,586
There's nothing that
I can do to help Ysabel.
747
00:32:02,588 --> 00:32:04,521
Except to get her this surgery.
748
00:32:04,523 --> 00:32:06,657
We'll be in the intensive
care unit the entire time.
749
00:32:06,659 --> 00:32:09,960
As soon as she can,
they'll release her.
750
00:32:09,962 --> 00:32:11,428
And then, we'll just
stay in New Jersey
751
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:12,829
until the 11th
752
00:32:12,831 --> 00:32:14,631
'cause we have to stay
a minimum of five days
753
00:32:14,633 --> 00:32:16,066
after the hospital.
754
00:32:17,402 --> 00:32:18,769
So, there's several
different places
755
00:32:18,771 --> 00:32:20,938
that do this surgery
for Ysabel's back.
756
00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:22,973
But the one that
I just love the most,
757
00:32:22,975 --> 00:32:25,676
the team of doctors,
is in New Jersey.
758
00:32:25,678 --> 00:32:27,344
We're leaving in
a couple of days...
759
00:32:28,846 --> 00:32:30,681
and we're gonna be
gone for like a month.
760
00:32:30,683 --> 00:32:32,749
Then a two-week quarantine
when we get back.
761
00:32:32,751 --> 00:32:35,052
So, Kody's not gonna
see the kids for like...
762
00:32:35,753 --> 00:32:36,753
eight weeks or so.
763
00:32:36,755 --> 00:32:38,288
[Christine] We're excited.
764
00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:40,891
And you're taking... You're
taking all of your girls.
765
00:32:40,893 --> 00:32:42,426
Yes.
766
00:32:42,428 --> 00:32:43,727
[Janelle] You guys
are gonna have like,
767
00:32:43,729 --> 00:32:46,830
- sort of a vacation, thanks to Ysabel.
- Yes. Yes.
768
00:32:46,832 --> 00:32:49,866
We are going to look at this
as positively as possible.
769
00:32:49,868 --> 00:32:53,270
And the first two weeks
are going to be a vacation.
770
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,040
When COVID started,
we agreed as a family
771
00:32:57,042 --> 00:33:00,010
that we wouldn't travel,
that we would sequester.
772
00:33:03,581 --> 00:33:04,815
And after a little while,
773
00:33:04,817 --> 00:33:07,317
Christine just decided she
wasn't gonna do it anymore.
774
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:08,318
She started travelling.
775
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,988
She started
travelling extensively.
776
00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:13,390
And it was making it so that I
was only able to see the kids
777
00:33:13,392 --> 00:33:14,524
part of the time.
778
00:33:14,526 --> 00:33:17,995
So, when she presented
the idea of doing the surgery,
779
00:33:17,997 --> 00:33:20,263
this year during the summer,
during the COVID,
780
00:33:20,732 --> 00:33:23,100
I became antagonistic.
781
00:33:27,038 --> 00:33:30,574
My belief was that it was
no longer about Ysabel,
782
00:33:30,576 --> 00:33:33,677
her needs and what
was best for her...
783
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:36,413
but rather that Christine
wanted to take advantage
784
00:33:36,415 --> 00:33:39,383
of the time and really
get a vacation out of it.
785
00:33:40,618 --> 00:33:41,985
[Christine] So good
we're excited, though.
786
00:33:41,987 --> 00:33:42,819
- [Ysabel] Yeah.
- It'll be good.
787
00:33:42,821 --> 00:33:44,421
[Janelle] Awesome.
788
00:33:44,423 --> 00:33:47,157
So, we'll leave tomorrow.
We'll be back, October 11th.
789
00:33:48,393 --> 00:33:49,793
- Cool--
- [Janelle] Have fun.
790
00:33:49,795 --> 00:33:50,560
- Yeah, keep us updated.
- And good luck.
791
00:33:50,562 --> 00:33:52,362
Thank you.
792
00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:53,964
[Janelle] I'm so glad you're
gonna be back and like functional.
793
00:33:53,966 --> 00:33:54,865
- And not in pain.
- I know, really.
794
00:33:54,867 --> 00:33:55,632
Not in pain.
795
00:33:55,634 --> 00:33:58,702
I hadn't been aware enough
796
00:33:58,704 --> 00:34:03,040
of the daily grind Ysabel was
going through with her pain.
797
00:34:03,042 --> 00:34:04,374
All right guys. Well...
798
00:34:05,676 --> 00:34:06,676
Thank you!
799
00:34:06,678 --> 00:34:08,879
Christine, will you get that
paperwork for me?
800
00:34:08,881 --> 00:34:10,981
Yes, yes, yes. Thank you
guys for coming. I appreciate it.
801
00:34:10,983 --> 00:34:11,848
Bye, love you guys.
802
00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:13,383
- [Meri] Good luck...
- Thank you!
803
00:34:13,385 --> 00:34:15,052
- [Meri] I wish I could give you a hug.
- I know.
804
00:34:15,054 --> 00:34:16,386
- This is, like, so stupid.
- Mwah. Mwah.
805
00:34:16,388 --> 00:34:17,887
I love you guys. Bye.
806
00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:19,990
[Kody] If it wasn't
for the amount of pain,
807
00:34:19,992 --> 00:34:22,592
I would've kept pushing for
her to wait for the surgery
808
00:34:22,594 --> 00:34:24,795
but it just is what it is.
809
00:34:24,797 --> 00:34:26,696
And I've accepted that
and I'm okay with it.
810
00:34:26,698 --> 00:34:27,798
And I'm actually happy that...
811
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,666
Ysabel is doing it now.
812
00:34:29,668 --> 00:34:32,069
So, but that is a...
That's a challenge for us.
813
00:34:32,071 --> 00:34:34,871
That's a long time for her
to be away, especially
814
00:34:34,873 --> 00:34:36,073
with her being away from me
815
00:34:36,075 --> 00:34:37,908
during a recovery
that could be...
816
00:34:37,910 --> 00:34:39,943
potentially very painful.
817
00:34:45,049 --> 00:34:47,384
I have a relationship
through my wife
818
00:34:47,386 --> 00:34:48,518
with the children.
819
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,754
- I'm sorry I can't go.
- It's okay.
820
00:34:50,756 --> 00:34:55,325
I think him not coming is...
really stupid.
821
00:34:55,327 --> 00:34:56,860
-So, Ysabel... brought up her...
-What am I signing?
822
00:34:56,862 --> 00:34:59,463
- Can you tell me?
- You're signing that we're gonna pay for it.
823
00:34:59,465 --> 00:35:00,964
- Hey, you're not socially distancing.
- Sorry.
824
00:35:00,966 --> 00:35:04,134
I would love it if Kody could
come for Ysabel's sake.
825
00:35:04,502 --> 00:35:06,103
But for me, I don't care.
826
00:35:12,009 --> 00:35:13,410
[Kody] Are you packed
for a month, Ysabel?
827
00:35:13,845 --> 00:35:15,178
Almost.
828
00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:16,045
Well, couple of months back,
829
00:35:16,047 --> 00:35:17,781
when Christine and Ysabel
presented that
830
00:35:17,783 --> 00:35:19,749
they were ready to go
and do this surgery
831
00:35:19,751 --> 00:35:21,952
and they're gonna do
it during COVID-19,
832
00:35:21,954 --> 00:35:24,387
I became extremely frustrated.
833
00:35:25,623 --> 00:35:27,791
We can pretend that
there is no pandemic.
834
00:35:27,793 --> 00:35:29,392
[Christine]
I'm not pretending.
835
00:35:29,394 --> 00:35:30,894
- Well...
- I'm not pretending.
836
00:35:30,896 --> 00:35:34,030
They wouldn't have the surgery
or give us the surgery
837
00:35:34,032 --> 00:35:35,966
if like, they thought
it was unsafe.
838
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,300
What do we do?
839
00:35:37,969 --> 00:35:39,136
If you're gonna go,
do this surgery,
840
00:35:39,138 --> 00:35:41,404
what are we gonna do?
841
00:35:42,607 --> 00:35:43,840
The problem for me,
842
00:35:43,842 --> 00:35:46,009
sometimes with some
of my children is,
843
00:35:46,011 --> 00:35:48,612
that I have a relationship
through my wife
844
00:35:48,614 --> 00:35:49,779
with the children.
845
00:35:49,781 --> 00:35:52,716
My big regret is just not
having that conversation
846
00:35:52,718 --> 00:35:56,319
privately, in a safe space,
with Ysabel.
847
00:35:57,088 --> 00:36:00,223
And figuring out what she needed
848
00:36:00,225 --> 00:36:01,925
rather than judging
849
00:36:01,927 --> 00:36:04,227
the entire situation with
what Christine needed.
850
00:36:04,428 --> 00:36:05,028
You excited?
851
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:06,062
Yeah, I'm excited, yeah.
852
00:36:06,064 --> 00:36:06,930
I'm sorry I can't go.
853
00:36:06,932 --> 00:36:08,632
It's okay.
854
00:36:08,634 --> 00:36:09,966
[Kody] I wanna be there for her,
855
00:36:09,968 --> 00:36:11,401
to be a strength for her.
856
00:36:11,403 --> 00:36:12,736
You know, there's just this
857
00:36:12,738 --> 00:36:15,071
healing element
from a parent's love
858
00:36:15,073 --> 00:36:17,340
and I know this and I want
859
00:36:17,342 --> 00:36:19,843
Ysabel to get this from me.
860
00:36:19,845 --> 00:36:22,045
- [Kody] You understand, right?
- Yeah, I get it. It's okay.
861
00:36:22,047 --> 00:36:23,246
- You sure?
- Uh-huh.
862
00:36:23,514 --> 00:36:24,581
[Kody] All right.
863
00:36:24,815 --> 00:36:26,416
You're not gonna become
a bitter old housewife?
864
00:36:26,418 --> 00:36:28,919
- No, I guess not.
- 'Cause your daddy didn't do this for you.
865
00:36:28,921 --> 00:36:31,388
- No. I do.
- You do understand?
866
00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:32,989
- I do, I do, I do.
- All right.
867
00:36:32,991 --> 00:36:34,291
- [Ysabel] I'll miss you, though.
- I'll miss you.
868
00:36:37,828 --> 00:36:39,396
I need him to be there but...
869
00:36:40,798 --> 00:36:42,132
Then, why isn't he coming?
870
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,935
I don't know,
why wouldn't be there?
871
00:36:45,503 --> 00:36:48,038
Why wouldn't he just
drop everything for me?
872
00:36:49,407 --> 00:36:51,374
I think his priorities
are a little screwed up.
873
00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:54,945
Well, the reason that
I'm not going is...
874
00:36:54,947 --> 00:36:56,746
basically two reasons.
875
00:36:56,748 --> 00:36:59,683
The amount of time
because of COVID
876
00:36:59,685 --> 00:37:00,717
quarantining
and stuff like that,
877
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:01,685
that I would have to be...
878
00:37:01,687 --> 00:37:03,920
away from the rest
of the family,
879
00:37:03,922 --> 00:37:08,592
and because of the risk
of exposure to COVID-19.
880
00:37:08,594 --> 00:37:10,093
Which is, what we've
been trying to do,
881
00:37:10,095 --> 00:37:11,962
is make it so that I can
see the whole family
882
00:37:11,964 --> 00:37:13,964
this entire time.
883
00:37:13,966 --> 00:37:15,665
I won't be bitter
and hold it against you.
884
00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:16,766
I didn't want you to do it, yet.
885
00:37:16,768 --> 00:37:18,902
I had no idea how
much pain you were in
886
00:37:18,904 --> 00:37:19,669
but I'm glad,
you're doing it now.
887
00:37:19,671 --> 00:37:21,972
Yeah.
888
00:37:21,974 --> 00:37:24,074
[Ysabel] He has a lot
of kids to think about, and...
889
00:37:24,076 --> 00:37:26,910
I'm not the only kid that
he has to make sure
890
00:37:26,912 --> 00:37:28,144
is safe during this pandemic.
891
00:37:28,846 --> 00:37:30,347
I do.
892
00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:33,383
It sucks. It sucks that
he can't be there.
893
00:37:33,385 --> 00:37:35,885
Cool. We'll go do something
fun after you get back.
894
00:37:35,887 --> 00:37:36,886
[Ysabel] Cool beans.
I'm excited.
895
00:37:36,888 --> 00:37:38,989
I don't want her to be bitter
896
00:37:38,991 --> 00:37:41,925
in the future or even
through this experience
897
00:37:41,927 --> 00:37:44,027
that I wasn't able to do that.
898
00:37:44,029 --> 00:37:46,329
And so, it's hard that they're
doing this without me.
899
00:37:46,731 --> 00:37:48,665
- Yeah.
- Okay.
900
00:37:48,667 --> 00:37:51,001
-All right, I love you. We'll see you.
-Love you too.
901
00:37:51,636 --> 00:37:54,938
And... I don't know,
he's such a brave man.
902
00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:56,673
He's so brave
and he's so strong.
903
00:37:56,675 --> 00:37:58,408
He's letting fear control him.
904
00:37:59,410 --> 00:38:01,411
How long are you
gonna stop your life for?
905
00:38:01,413 --> 00:38:04,047
Like, how long are you gonna
put just everything on hold?
906
00:38:07,051 --> 00:38:08,151
Thanks, dad. I love you.
907
00:38:08,153 --> 00:38:09,386
[Kody] I love you, will see
you. Have a nice trip.
908
00:38:09,388 --> 00:38:12,122
- Thank you, I'll miss you.
- Bye, I'll miss you.
909
00:38:14,925 --> 00:38:17,460
There's a real emotional
conundrum that we're dealing with
910
00:38:17,462 --> 00:38:20,897
with the whole COVID thing
and social distancing and stuff.
911
00:38:20,899 --> 00:38:24,034
She's going off to have
a major surgery done.
912
00:38:24,036 --> 00:38:25,068
And I can't hug her.
913
00:38:25,070 --> 00:38:26,436
That's really hard.
914
00:38:30,975 --> 00:38:31,775
[Christine] You good, love?
915
00:38:31,777 --> 00:38:33,009
[Ysabel] Yeah.
916
00:38:33,678 --> 00:38:35,011
- [Christine] Oh, my gosh.
- All right.
917
00:38:35,013 --> 00:38:37,314
I've got the special
for you to sign.
918
00:38:37,682 --> 00:38:38,782
For days.
919
00:38:38,784 --> 00:38:40,550
[Christine] Before we
get the surgery,
920
00:38:40,552 --> 00:38:44,087
Ysabel has to have
a bunch of paperwork.
921
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:45,522
-So, Ysabel... brought up her...
-What am I signing?
922
00:38:45,524 --> 00:38:47,891
- Can you tell me?
- You're signing that we're gonna pay for it.
923
00:38:47,893 --> 00:38:48,958
- Hey, you're not socially distancing.
- Sorry.
924
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,827
I told Christine to maintain
her social distance
925
00:38:50,829 --> 00:38:52,996
was 'cause she's
been travelling.
926
00:38:53,464 --> 00:38:55,665
[Robyn] Since
the pandemic has hit,
927
00:38:55,667 --> 00:39:00,003
Kody is in a really bad place
mentally and emotionally
928
00:39:00,005 --> 00:39:02,539
because he's having trouble
929
00:39:02,541 --> 00:39:06,009
getting wives to agree
with him on what to do
930
00:39:06,011 --> 00:39:08,645
as far as COVID
and how to handle it.
931
00:39:08,647 --> 00:39:09,512
He's having...
932
00:39:09,514 --> 00:39:11,614
one issue after
another with them.
933
00:39:11,616 --> 00:39:14,951
And then also, they're
not working with him
934
00:39:14,953 --> 00:39:17,520
on things, so he can't
go see them as much.
935
00:39:17,522 --> 00:39:19,989
Because I'm sticking to...
936
00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:23,193
what it is that he wants
to do as far as COVID,
937
00:39:25,029 --> 00:39:27,630
I'm seeing him the most.
938
00:39:27,632 --> 00:39:30,800
He's worried about
the unity of his family.
939
00:39:30,802 --> 00:39:32,836
[Christine] And this
is just saying,
940
00:39:32,838 --> 00:39:34,404
that we'll pay whatever
the insurance doesn't pay for.
941
00:39:36,407 --> 00:39:38,608
[Christine] Kody and I have
been struggling for a while.
942
00:39:38,610 --> 00:39:41,311
We're not close,
so it was actually...
943
00:39:41,313 --> 00:39:44,681
painful, emotionally, to be
there to be honest. It's...
944
00:39:44,683 --> 00:39:47,417
It's hard to see
him with everybody.
945
00:39:47,419 --> 00:39:50,120
It's really hard to see
him in functional
946
00:39:50,122 --> 00:39:51,988
marriages, when we
don't have one.
947
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:52,889
It sucks.
948
00:39:52,891 --> 00:39:53,990
[Kody] It's terribly awkward.
949
00:39:53,992 --> 00:39:56,893
It's just the place
Christine and I are in.
950
00:39:56,895 --> 00:39:59,095
We're in a terribly
awkward place.
951
00:39:59,797 --> 00:40:01,197
This is not...
952
00:40:03,033 --> 00:40:04,367
the experience...
953
00:40:04,869 --> 00:40:07,103
of people who are soulmates.
954
00:40:07,105 --> 00:40:10,106
Or people who even love
and respect each other
955
00:40:10,108 --> 00:40:11,007
in a deep way.
956
00:40:11,009 --> 00:40:12,342
This is an experience of...
957
00:40:14,178 --> 00:40:15,211
of distance.
958
00:40:17,782 --> 00:40:19,916
[Christine] Kody and I
are not getting better.
959
00:40:19,950 --> 00:40:22,385
It's been bad for a long time.
960
00:40:22,387 --> 00:40:23,686
I would love it,
if Kody could come
961
00:40:23,688 --> 00:40:25,922
for Ysabel's sake.
962
00:40:25,924 --> 00:40:28,758
But for me, I don't care
that he's not gonna be there.
963
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,994
I think us being
separated for a while
964
00:40:30,996 --> 00:40:31,661
for this month...
965
00:40:31,695 --> 00:40:33,396
might be good.
966
00:40:33,398 --> 00:40:35,799
Ysabel was saying the other
day, she wished you could come.
967
00:40:35,801 --> 00:40:39,335
And I said, "You know, he would
have come if it wasn't for COVID."
968
00:40:40,938 --> 00:40:43,006
But hey, it's happening now
and the time's right.
969
00:40:43,008 --> 00:40:45,475
And she's...
970
00:40:45,477 --> 00:40:46,943
- So, we're good.
- Yeah.
971
00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:48,611
She's fine with it, though.
She gets it. She understands.
972
00:40:48,613 --> 00:40:50,113
- Okay.
- She's not frustrated with it.
973
00:40:50,115 --> 00:40:51,648
- Have a good trip.
- Thank you.
974
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:52,949
- See ya.
- See you.
975
00:40:58,055 --> 00:40:59,823
[Kody] I'm just having regret.
976
00:40:59,857 --> 00:41:01,157
'Cause the...
977
00:41:03,394 --> 00:41:05,929
whole damn situation
is breaking my heart.
978
00:41:05,931 --> 00:41:08,932
The whole thing with Ysabel
going and doing the surgery
979
00:41:08,934 --> 00:41:11,067
and the whole thing with
my family and this...
980
00:41:11,802 --> 00:41:13,303
disparity in behavior...
981
00:41:14,672 --> 00:41:15,371
during COVID,
982
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,341
it's really, really, really
983
00:41:19,243 --> 00:41:21,144
hard on our family.
984
00:41:25,683 --> 00:41:26,616
[sighs]
985
00:41:26,618 --> 00:41:29,052
It's just, it's breaking
my heart.
986
00:41:30,588 --> 00:41:32,755
I'm just...
It's just an indicator
987
00:41:32,757 --> 00:41:36,292
that we are screwing
this up so badly.
988
00:41:36,794 --> 00:41:39,996
And I'm sad about it.
989
00:41:44,735 --> 00:41:46,870
[Kody as narrator] Next time
on Sister Wives...
990
00:41:46,872 --> 00:41:49,772
I've heard like you
and Kody say things
991
00:41:49,774 --> 00:41:52,542
that basically tell me
there's still issues.
992
00:41:52,544 --> 00:41:54,611
[Meri] I kind of keep hearing
993
00:41:54,613 --> 00:41:58,648
about, you know,
this little bit of an issue.
994
00:41:58,650 --> 00:42:01,417
And yeah, I mean, it involves
me and it involves Janelle.
995
00:42:01,419 --> 00:42:04,787
I don't know how
much to bring up
996
00:42:04,789 --> 00:42:06,856
from the past and work through.
997
00:42:06,858 --> 00:42:08,992
There's not a whole lot
of secrets in a family.
998
00:42:08,994 --> 00:42:10,727
Conversations get spilled.
999
00:42:10,729 --> 00:42:12,962
[Janelle] I just worry that
1000
00:42:12,964 --> 00:42:15,431
you'd get angry at one time,
like we all do.
1001
00:42:15,433 --> 00:42:17,066
And instead of like
slamming the doors...
1002
00:42:17,068 --> 00:42:18,768
When we all lived in one house,
1003
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:19,869
you just slammed the doors so
everybody knew you were angry.
1004
00:42:19,871 --> 00:42:21,504
Wow, Janelle! [giggles]
1005
00:42:21,506 --> 00:42:25,008
Yeah, I've slammed doors
when I've been mad before.
1006
00:42:26,243 --> 00:42:29,212
To be honest with you,
I'm feeling a wall right now.