1 00:00:01,233 --> 00:00:02,467 [Kody] Previously on Sister Wives... 2 00:00:02,500 --> 00:00:04,833 [Janelle] This summer has been especially hard on Kody and I. 3 00:00:04,867 --> 00:00:06,400 So we are fundamentally at odds 4 00:00:06,433 --> 00:00:09,233 of how you manage the risk of this virus transmission. 5 00:00:09,267 --> 00:00:10,867 It would be nice if we could figure out 6 00:00:10,900 --> 00:00:13,733 when, at what point we could be okay 7 00:00:13,767 --> 00:00:15,367 to socialize as a family. 8 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,433 I just don't see that we're getting together. 9 00:00:17,467 --> 00:00:18,700 Wow. 10 00:00:18,733 --> 00:00:22,800 So basically, unless we all observe his uber, uber, uber 11 00:00:22,833 --> 00:00:26,567 careful stance... forget holidays. 12 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,300 [Christine] Ysabel was diagnosed with scoliosis 13 00:00:28,333 --> 00:00:29,800 when she was like 13. 14 00:00:29,833 --> 00:00:31,833 So it's just time to get the surgery. 15 00:00:31,867 --> 00:00:35,133 Why don't we put it out six months because of the pandemic? 16 00:00:35,167 --> 00:00:37,067 I know that getting a surgery 17 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:39,867 during a pandemic isn't smart. 18 00:00:39,900 --> 00:00:42,333 But she's in enough pain. And I can't wait more. 19 00:00:42,367 --> 00:00:44,600 Listen, I'm not flying there. 20 00:00:44,633 --> 00:00:46,267 This is the thing, you guys. 21 00:00:46,300 --> 00:00:48,233 I'm not going to New York. 22 00:00:48,267 --> 00:00:50,200 Christine and I aren't getting along. 23 00:00:50,233 --> 00:00:53,067 And so it's hard for me not to see it as an opportunity 24 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:54,900 for Christine to do it without me. 25 00:00:54,933 --> 00:00:57,533 Christine started going, "Hey, I want to move." 26 00:00:57,567 --> 00:00:59,000 Would you be just as happy? 27 00:00:59,033 --> 00:01:01,133 Could you be just as happy in Utah? 28 00:01:01,167 --> 00:01:03,800 I mean, at this point, I would just be like, 29 00:01:03,833 --> 00:01:05,733 "You guys give me the property and you can move." 30 00:01:05,767 --> 00:01:08,200 So I've got Christine in one place 31 00:01:08,233 --> 00:01:10,733 and Janelle in an opposite place, so to speak. 32 00:01:10,767 --> 00:01:12,900 Ultimately, what's happening in my life 33 00:01:12,933 --> 00:01:15,600 is two princesses given ultimatums. 34 00:01:15,633 --> 00:01:17,300 I wish we could just settle down 35 00:01:17,333 --> 00:01:19,967 like, we're here, we're in Flagstaff. 36 00:01:20,067 --> 00:01:21,900 I can't do that to my kids. 37 00:01:25,700 --> 00:01:27,700 [theme music playing] 38 00:01:48,133 --> 00:01:49,900 [classical music playing] 39 00:02:08,533 --> 00:02:09,567 [sighs heavily] 40 00:02:12,067 --> 00:02:13,433 [Kody] Hey. 41 00:02:13,467 --> 00:02:15,100 [inaudible over music] 42 00:02:15,133 --> 00:02:17,333 - Hold on, what? [turns music off] - Oh. 43 00:02:17,367 --> 00:02:18,800 Sorry. 44 00:02:18,833 --> 00:02:20,367 What do you listen to? 45 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:21,833 [Kody] What do I listen to? 46 00:02:21,867 --> 00:02:22,933 Pachelbel. 47 00:02:22,967 --> 00:02:24,067 Oh, of course. Yeah. 48 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:25,833 -"Canon in D." - Yeah, of course. 49 00:02:25,867 --> 00:02:28,967 I listen to anything that's going to motivate me. 50 00:02:29,067 --> 00:02:30,367 Today, it's Pachelbel 51 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,967 because I want to lift, 52 00:02:33,067 --> 00:02:35,167 and I want to be in sort of a serene place. 53 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,167 That's funny. That's workout music for you? 54 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,533 Well, workout's a meditation, right? 55 00:02:39,567 --> 00:02:42,267 Oh, no. I need something... I need something way harder. 56 00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:44,733 I listen to German industrial rock 57 00:02:44,767 --> 00:02:47,067 or older rappers like Eminem. 58 00:02:47,067 --> 00:02:48,100 You know, when we were in Vegas, 59 00:02:48,133 --> 00:02:50,500 she went to several rock concerts 60 00:02:50,533 --> 00:02:55,067 and wore black T-shirts and heavy makeup and stuff. 61 00:02:55,067 --> 00:02:57,533 Yeah. I had some snakeskin leggings 62 00:02:57,567 --> 00:03:01,300 and a ratty black T-shirt tank top thing. 63 00:03:01,333 --> 00:03:02,867 So, yeah. 64 00:03:02,900 --> 00:03:05,233 Okay, so Hunter leaves tomorrow. 65 00:03:05,267 --> 00:03:09,467 But I think I would like to have a barbecue 66 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:11,133 on the property. 67 00:03:11,167 --> 00:03:14,833 So Hunter is leaving to go to school, so he'll be gone. 68 00:03:14,867 --> 00:03:18,767 And I want to have kind of a farewell barbecue for him at the end of the week. 69 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,733 So we're still in the middle of this COVID pandemic, 70 00:03:22,767 --> 00:03:25,333 and the family still doesn't see eye to eye 71 00:03:25,367 --> 00:03:27,667 on how to manage risk. 72 00:03:27,700 --> 00:03:29,133 Uh... 73 00:03:29,167 --> 00:03:30,700 Well, I think I'll... 74 00:03:30,733 --> 00:03:32,267 Well, first of all, 75 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:35,067 I got to sort of get the family on board. 76 00:03:35,100 --> 00:03:36,900 When you have a family this big, 77 00:03:36,933 --> 00:03:40,667 there's constantly a conflict in what everybody wants to do. 78 00:03:40,700 --> 00:03:42,533 Social distancing from the family. 79 00:03:42,567 --> 00:03:45,833 The family doesn't get together... almost at all. 80 00:03:45,867 --> 00:03:47,733 And I'm going from house to house 81 00:03:49,100 --> 00:03:54,067 trying to keep the exposure to COVID-19 extremely low 82 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:57,067 but still have family relationships. 83 00:03:57,067 --> 00:03:58,600 And it's been a challenge. 84 00:03:58,633 --> 00:04:00,067 This is stretching on and on, 85 00:04:00,067 --> 00:04:03,367 and Hunter's leaving, so maybe we can figure something out. 86 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,600 Kody, we've got to figure out a way 87 00:04:05,633 --> 00:04:07,067 to see each other. 88 00:04:07,067 --> 00:04:08,100 It's been five months now. 89 00:04:08,133 --> 00:04:11,400 It doesn't seem like things are letting up. 90 00:04:11,433 --> 00:04:13,700 So we can't continue to go 91 00:04:13,733 --> 00:04:16,100 on and on without seeing each other. 92 00:04:16,133 --> 00:04:17,400 I mean, we could. 93 00:04:17,433 --> 00:04:20,900 But I don't know if the family will remain intact if we do. 94 00:04:20,933 --> 00:04:22,867 - What I ought to do is I ought to just set up... - I have... 95 00:04:22,900 --> 00:04:23,967 ...a pit for each mom. 96 00:04:24,067 --> 00:04:25,967 I have four kids home. Oh, really? 97 00:04:26,067 --> 00:04:28,467 Well, that's three. And then Meri just fits in. 98 00:04:28,500 --> 00:04:32,100 I mean, to do four fires is gonna spread us out pretty far. 99 00:04:32,133 --> 00:04:33,900 But I'm thinking I can make a triangle 100 00:04:33,933 --> 00:04:36,100 and then Meri can stay somewhere 101 00:04:36,133 --> 00:04:38,067 socially distanced 102 00:04:38,067 --> 00:04:39,700 outside of that. 103 00:04:39,733 --> 00:04:41,833 Then we wouldn't have to necessarily wear masks, 104 00:04:41,867 --> 00:04:44,200 right, 'cause we would be staying distant. 105 00:04:44,233 --> 00:04:45,467 Well, to be fair, 106 00:04:45,500 --> 00:04:47,700 that's like each mom... each one of the moms 107 00:04:47,733 --> 00:04:50,067 has been running her household differently. 108 00:04:50,067 --> 00:04:51,467 That will be up to each mom. 109 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:53,500 The kids are already like complaining, 110 00:04:53,533 --> 00:04:55,767 like, "This isn't normal. We are one family. 111 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,200 Why couldn't we see each other? 112 00:04:57,233 --> 00:04:58,567 Why aren't we getting together?" 113 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,333 If we finally get together as a family and I say, 114 00:05:01,367 --> 00:05:02,933 "Everybody has to mask up," 115 00:05:02,967 --> 00:05:04,233 that might be 116 00:05:04,267 --> 00:05:06,067 something that has the kids 117 00:05:06,067 --> 00:05:07,567 getting really stupid with me. 118 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,200 They've been complaining 119 00:05:09,233 --> 00:05:11,800 the whole COVID corona apocalypse, 120 00:05:11,833 --> 00:05:13,133 they've been complaining 121 00:05:13,167 --> 00:05:15,533 that they can't get to get together more with the whole family. 122 00:05:15,567 --> 00:05:17,233 - Yeah. -[Kody] And that's all been because 123 00:05:17,267 --> 00:05:21,967 the whole family still goes outside of our family. 124 00:05:22,067 --> 00:05:23,367 [Janelle] I follow the state regulations, 125 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,967 the local regulations, the CDC guidelines. 126 00:05:26,067 --> 00:05:28,600 Kody and Robyn, I think, especially 127 00:05:28,633 --> 00:05:32,433 observe a few extra... requirements. 128 00:05:32,467 --> 00:05:35,833 And it's sort of viewed like very black and white. 129 00:05:35,867 --> 00:05:40,067 So there's a difference of opinion about what's enough. 130 00:05:40,100 --> 00:05:43,067 And there's just no bending on it, it seems like. 131 00:05:43,067 --> 00:05:45,400 So remind me to text out to everybody 132 00:05:45,433 --> 00:05:47,133 - when I'm done with my workout, okay? - All right. 133 00:05:47,167 --> 00:05:48,900 - Okay. - All right. 134 00:05:48,933 --> 00:05:50,367 [Kody] I really want everybody to come 135 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:51,933 so that Hunter can see them all. 136 00:05:51,967 --> 00:05:53,733 But I'm also extremely nervous 137 00:05:53,767 --> 00:05:56,933 knowing that I'll spend the entire time stressing out about 138 00:05:56,967 --> 00:05:58,633 making sure that we're not getting 139 00:05:58,667 --> 00:06:00,067 exposure to the virus. 140 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,200 From each other. 141 00:06:10,367 --> 00:06:13,400 So Kody is on his way over. 142 00:06:13,433 --> 00:06:15,500 He wants to talk to me about something. 143 00:06:16,567 --> 00:06:18,167 And I don't know what it is. 144 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,100 But you know what? I don't care. 145 00:06:21,133 --> 00:06:24,500 The fact that he's coming over and is gonna talk to me, 146 00:06:24,533 --> 00:06:26,067 that's a win. 147 00:06:29,067 --> 00:06:30,167 So a few months ago, 148 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,367 Kody and I had our 30th anniversary. 149 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,367 I've been waiting for you, honestly. 150 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:35,700 And I'm not coming. 151 00:06:35,733 --> 00:06:37,833 I know that. 152 00:06:37,867 --> 00:06:39,733 But you're not courting me 153 00:06:39,767 --> 00:06:43,500 - to that relationship. - I didn't know I was supposed to court you. 154 00:06:43,533 --> 00:06:45,967 I've had a lot of people say to me, 155 00:06:47,067 --> 00:06:48,667 "Why are you still there? 156 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:50,400 He clearly doesn't love you. 157 00:06:50,433 --> 00:06:52,400 You're just brainwashed. 158 00:06:52,433 --> 00:06:53,800 You know, you're just doing this 159 00:06:53,833 --> 00:06:57,600 because you think that it's what's gonna get you to heaven. 160 00:06:57,633 --> 00:06:59,500 Why do you stay?" 161 00:06:59,533 --> 00:07:01,067 -[Meri] Hi. -[Kody] How's it going? 162 00:07:01,067 --> 00:07:02,333 [Meri] Good. How are you? 163 00:07:02,367 --> 00:07:03,567 I'm good. 164 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,067 [Meri] Well, because it's my family, 165 00:07:06,067 --> 00:07:09,100 because I have a confirmation from God 166 00:07:09,133 --> 00:07:11,767 that this is where I am meant to be, 167 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,167 this is a very conscious choice that I'm making. 168 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,200 What's up? 169 00:07:17,967 --> 00:07:19,767 Initially, Meri and I were sitting apart, 170 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,067 you know, were keeping our distance. 171 00:07:21,067 --> 00:07:23,067 And then I realized after talking with her a little bit 172 00:07:23,067 --> 00:07:25,633 that she's been taking extreme cautions with COVID. 173 00:07:25,667 --> 00:07:27,100 So I got thinking, 174 00:07:27,133 --> 00:07:29,400 why are we keeping six feet apart? 175 00:07:29,433 --> 00:07:31,100 We don't have to. 176 00:07:31,133 --> 00:07:33,167 Okay, you know our talk, 177 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,067 I don't even know when... 178 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:38,233 we had a talk on the property where Christine... 179 00:07:38,267 --> 00:07:40,733 told everybody that she wanted to move back to Utah. 180 00:07:40,767 --> 00:07:41,833 Yeah. 181 00:07:41,867 --> 00:07:45,067 Her and I discussed that right after the law changed. 182 00:07:45,100 --> 00:07:46,733 So Christine wants to move to Utah. 183 00:07:46,767 --> 00:07:48,100 And that's a real challenge for us 184 00:07:48,133 --> 00:07:49,800 because we're right in the middle of trying to, 185 00:07:49,833 --> 00:07:51,367 you know, divide the properties 186 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:52,633 on Coyote Pass. 187 00:07:52,667 --> 00:07:54,933 And we're doing all this, you know, 188 00:07:54,967 --> 00:07:56,500 even struggling with 189 00:07:56,533 --> 00:07:58,900 where everybody's going to go on Coyote Pass. 190 00:07:58,933 --> 00:08:00,900 But I'm trying to fish it out 191 00:08:00,933 --> 00:08:03,533 just to make sure we're not, 192 00:08:03,567 --> 00:08:06,067 you know, just killing Christine's dreams. 193 00:08:06,067 --> 00:08:08,200 She's here. The law changes. 194 00:08:08,233 --> 00:08:10,600 She's feeling really isolated from the rest of the family 195 00:08:10,633 --> 00:08:13,067 - just 'cause the distance between our homes. - Yeah. 196 00:08:13,100 --> 00:08:16,167 And she just pops up with immediately, like, talking to me going, 197 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,800 "I really want to move back to Utah." 198 00:08:17,833 --> 00:08:21,467 Because of actions of a senator 199 00:08:21,500 --> 00:08:25,233 and members of the plural community in Utah, 200 00:08:25,267 --> 00:08:28,533 polygamy is no longer a felony up there. 201 00:08:28,567 --> 00:08:30,067 It's more like 202 00:08:30,067 --> 00:08:33,767 an infraction, I guess, which is like a parking ticket. 203 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,067 [Kody] I got to admit, I was pretty... 204 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:36,500 I tried to be stoic with her, 205 00:08:36,533 --> 00:08:39,533 you know, just... But I was like, "Yeah, I'll move. 206 00:08:39,567 --> 00:08:40,700 - I'm game." - Really? 207 00:08:40,733 --> 00:08:41,933 Oh, yeah. I always have been. 208 00:08:41,967 --> 00:08:45,700 That's where I thought I would retire in St. George, Utah. 209 00:08:45,733 --> 00:08:48,100 The problem was with the first conversation I had with Christine 210 00:08:48,133 --> 00:08:50,133 and the conversation we had on Coyote Pass 211 00:08:50,167 --> 00:08:52,067 was I started thinking about the reality of it, 212 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:53,633 and it started to look, yeah, 213 00:08:53,667 --> 00:08:55,067 pretty crazy to me. 214 00:08:55,100 --> 00:08:58,267 I wonder why we're still here. 215 00:08:58,300 --> 00:09:02,533 We can move back home. 216 00:09:02,567 --> 00:09:04,067 I don't know. I think that 217 00:09:04,100 --> 00:09:07,700 once we basically were "kicked out" of Utah, 218 00:09:07,733 --> 00:09:10,500 I've just kind of had a feeling of, 219 00:09:10,533 --> 00:09:13,433 "Well, I'm not gonna grace you with my presence then." 220 00:09:13,467 --> 00:09:15,300 [Kody] I'm in a place where I feel like my kids, 221 00:09:15,333 --> 00:09:16,767 my kids love it here, 222 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,900 this is the most likely place for any of our kids 223 00:09:18,933 --> 00:09:20,500 to move back, our adult kids. 224 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,600 We're not moving, are we? 225 00:09:26,333 --> 00:09:27,367 [crying] 226 00:09:28,333 --> 00:09:31,200 My whole purpose in coming here... 227 00:09:31,233 --> 00:09:34,267 is... is basically to really find out 228 00:09:34,300 --> 00:09:36,067 what everybody thinks. 229 00:09:36,067 --> 00:09:38,333 And so I wanted to talk to you about it as well. 230 00:09:38,367 --> 00:09:39,433 [Meri] Hold on. 231 00:09:39,467 --> 00:09:41,800 Can we just hold on to the fact 232 00:09:41,833 --> 00:09:44,900 that he said he wanted to talk to me? 233 00:09:44,933 --> 00:09:46,567 I don't care what it's about, 234 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,833 but the fact that he wanted to talk to me about something, 235 00:09:49,867 --> 00:09:51,867 yep... I'm there. 236 00:09:52,667 --> 00:09:53,967 [chuckles] 237 00:09:54,067 --> 00:09:57,333 So when we were out there that day, you were on board with her. 238 00:09:58,767 --> 00:10:01,300 - N-n-no. -'Cause you seemed to be kind of shutting her down. 239 00:10:01,333 --> 00:10:02,567 Yeah, I was shutting her down. 240 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,133 But I realized that I was being a total jack wagon. 241 00:10:06,167 --> 00:10:09,000 [Meri] When we were at the property, I had no idea 242 00:10:09,033 --> 00:10:10,867 that he was more for it. 243 00:10:10,900 --> 00:10:12,767 No wonder she was so upset. 244 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,600 Nobody likes it when Kody Brown goes jack wagon. 245 00:10:15,633 --> 00:10:17,867 A jack wagon is just the kind of guy 246 00:10:17,900 --> 00:10:20,233 that's like a jackass, a... 247 00:10:20,267 --> 00:10:22,433 a... jerk. 248 00:10:23,567 --> 00:10:25,100 You really want to move back? 249 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,600 No, I don't really want to move. 250 00:10:29,633 --> 00:10:32,900 You can't beat Flagstaff, Arizona. 251 00:10:32,933 --> 00:10:34,333 You just can't. 252 00:10:34,367 --> 00:10:36,467 You know, we're kind of invested in this town now. 253 00:10:36,500 --> 00:10:39,933 We are sort of... I would call it, 254 00:10:39,967 --> 00:10:41,400 we're sort of stuck here. 255 00:10:41,433 --> 00:10:43,333 It's such a weird world. 256 00:10:43,367 --> 00:10:45,033 I don't know why it's a big deal now. 257 00:10:45,067 --> 00:10:47,167 Maybe it's midlife crisis, Meri. 258 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,133 But our world... 259 00:10:49,167 --> 00:10:52,367 is so affected by the actions and the thoughts 260 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,200 and the feelings of every other member in this family. 261 00:10:55,233 --> 00:10:57,267 In plural marriage, 262 00:10:57,300 --> 00:11:00,367 it feels like other people are in control of your life. 263 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,633 But because Christine is the one on the outside this time, 264 00:11:03,667 --> 00:11:06,067 she's going, "Holy cow, this sucks. 265 00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:08,100 These people... 266 00:11:08,133 --> 00:11:10,967 control what I do in my life." 267 00:11:11,067 --> 00:11:14,767 I mean, our family has always been run on a committee. 268 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,867 And it just that's how we've always run things. 269 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:19,067 And sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. 270 00:11:19,067 --> 00:11:20,967 Plural marriage is definitely not for everybody. 271 00:11:21,067 --> 00:11:24,933 And when you sign up, you have to go in eyes wide open knowing that... 272 00:11:24,967 --> 00:11:29,133 I don't know, like, you have to really become more, 273 00:11:29,167 --> 00:11:31,067 like, easy about things. 274 00:11:31,067 --> 00:11:32,867 Trust that everything's gonna be okay, 275 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:34,433 that somebody has your back, 276 00:11:34,467 --> 00:11:36,067 that God is in control. 277 00:11:36,067 --> 00:11:38,367 [Meri] Not everybody's always gonna be happy about 278 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,267 a decision that we might come to. 279 00:11:40,300 --> 00:11:44,133 But I guess it really just comes down to, 280 00:11:44,167 --> 00:11:47,900 you know, how committed you are to the family and making things work. 281 00:11:47,933 --> 00:11:51,600 It can be frustrating to bring forth 282 00:11:51,633 --> 00:11:53,600 an idea to the group 283 00:11:53,633 --> 00:11:55,700 and have it be shot down. 284 00:11:55,733 --> 00:11:57,467 Do your sister wives 285 00:11:57,500 --> 00:11:59,667 care enough about you 286 00:11:59,700 --> 00:12:03,500 to really listen to what it is that you want, 287 00:12:03,533 --> 00:12:05,900 consider it, and respect it? 288 00:12:08,467 --> 00:12:10,567 So theoretically, 289 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,967 the only way to actually be able to see Dad... 290 00:12:15,067 --> 00:12:16,200 is to get COVID. 291 00:12:16,233 --> 00:12:19,100 I think, at this point, Gabriel should choose his... 292 00:12:19,133 --> 00:12:20,967 girlfriend over his dad. 293 00:12:21,067 --> 00:12:23,067 If I end up getting it 294 00:12:23,067 --> 00:12:24,367 and then I recover, 295 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,600 if that doesn't change the game, 296 00:12:26,633 --> 00:12:29,867 then this was never about COVID at all in the first place. 297 00:12:38,233 --> 00:12:40,100 Thinking of moving to Utah, 298 00:12:40,133 --> 00:12:43,167 honestly, my gut instinct 299 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,667 is, "Oh, hell no. 300 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:47,333 - Not interested." -[Kody] Yeah. 301 00:12:49,067 --> 00:12:51,500 - I never had the desire to move back. - Wow. 302 00:12:51,533 --> 00:12:52,767 So for you, like 303 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,333 you feel literally the same way that Janelle 304 00:12:55,367 --> 00:12:58,400 and Robyn feel like there's just no desire at all 305 00:12:58,433 --> 00:13:01,333 - to move back Utah. - I really don't have a desire to move back there. 306 00:13:01,367 --> 00:13:02,767 Okay. 307 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,733 Why am I torturing myself? 308 00:13:05,767 --> 00:13:07,867 It's really all over, 309 00:13:07,900 --> 00:13:11,233 sort of just making sure we're sure. 310 00:13:11,267 --> 00:13:13,600 I feel bad in saying that 311 00:13:13,633 --> 00:13:16,233 because I know it's so important to Christine. 312 00:13:17,333 --> 00:13:19,100 Honestly, I hate the fact that she 313 00:13:19,133 --> 00:13:20,567 might be feeling trapped. 314 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,100 I don't know if that's how she feels. 315 00:13:23,133 --> 00:13:24,167 But I wonder. 316 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,100 You know, I have no idea what's going on 317 00:13:26,133 --> 00:13:28,167 between Christine and Kody. 318 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,433 I just know that that day, out at the property, 319 00:13:30,467 --> 00:13:32,500 she was really hurting. 320 00:13:32,533 --> 00:13:34,433 Meri, I can't do marriage with Kody anymore. 321 00:13:34,467 --> 00:13:35,700 I don't want to... 322 00:13:35,733 --> 00:13:37,267 Just look at the mountain. 323 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:39,533 I don't want to do it anymore. 324 00:13:39,567 --> 00:13:40,967 Don't talk about that. 325 00:13:42,533 --> 00:13:44,067 Just look at the mountain. 326 00:13:44,067 --> 00:13:46,233 - That's what you saw that day. -[Christine] I don't want to do it anymore. 327 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,433 I can't go there today. 328 00:13:49,467 --> 00:13:52,167 When I was in my super, super dark time, 329 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,100 I got in a situation where I was talking to somebody 330 00:13:56,133 --> 00:13:58,833 who was not who they were saying they were. 331 00:13:58,867 --> 00:14:01,900 And it got to be a very, very manipulative 332 00:14:01,933 --> 00:14:04,500 and controlling situation. 333 00:14:04,533 --> 00:14:06,967 I really, really appreciated... 334 00:14:07,067 --> 00:14:08,067 Robyn 335 00:14:08,067 --> 00:14:10,067 being there and being a support 336 00:14:10,067 --> 00:14:12,333 and helping me fight 337 00:14:12,367 --> 00:14:15,100 through all the crap. 338 00:14:15,133 --> 00:14:17,600 And so the fact that Christine was able to open up 339 00:14:17,633 --> 00:14:19,133 to me just a little bit that day, 340 00:14:19,167 --> 00:14:20,567 I really appreciated. 341 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,667 But I... I hope that she knows that I'm here. 342 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:26,900 [Kody] Do you think being here... 343 00:14:26,933 --> 00:14:31,733 I mean, 'cause she really struggled in Vegas for those first two years. 344 00:14:31,767 --> 00:14:34,767 Do you think it's worse now than it was in those first two years in Vegas? 345 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,467 - For her? - For all of us. 346 00:14:37,933 --> 00:14:40,333 I think it's very different. 347 00:14:40,367 --> 00:14:43,700 Up until that point, we had been together, 348 00:14:43,733 --> 00:14:46,667 and then we were all separate. 349 00:14:46,700 --> 00:14:47,967 I think... 350 00:14:49,233 --> 00:14:51,467 that we all got very comfortable with it. 351 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:54,100 And now all four of us are just, like... 352 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,067 comfortable being by ourselves. 353 00:14:59,067 --> 00:15:01,967 So for that reason, I don't feel like it's harder. 354 00:15:02,067 --> 00:15:04,233 And that is very disturbing to me. 355 00:15:04,267 --> 00:15:06,333 I think it's very important 356 00:15:06,367 --> 00:15:09,467 for plural wives to have a balance. 357 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:12,967 Like, we don't have to always be together all the time. 358 00:15:13,067 --> 00:15:15,367 We don't have to be best friends. 359 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,967 We don't have to do any of that. 360 00:15:18,067 --> 00:15:20,433 But we also need to have, 361 00:15:20,467 --> 00:15:23,167 you know, the relationships within the family. 362 00:15:24,833 --> 00:15:27,133 Honestly, I think we all just got selfish. 363 00:15:28,700 --> 00:15:31,367 And the question I have is, "Did we really like 364 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,267 living next to each other in Las Vegas?" 365 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:36,233 Because it seems like we don't miss it 366 00:15:36,267 --> 00:15:37,900 now that we're in Flagstaff. 367 00:15:37,933 --> 00:15:40,467 Do you like each other? 368 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:42,800 Do you want to be around each other? 369 00:15:42,833 --> 00:15:46,933 Because I mean, I'm being accusatory, but I don't believe you do. 370 00:15:47,967 --> 00:15:49,267 Shoot, for that matter, 371 00:15:49,300 --> 00:15:53,133 I've known guys who had wives that lived in different states 372 00:15:53,167 --> 00:15:56,233 while he was married to two wives or more wives. 373 00:15:56,267 --> 00:15:59,600 Well, who's to say that Meri couldn't live in Parowan? 374 00:15:59,633 --> 00:16:02,200 And who's to say Christine couldn't live in Salt Lake? 375 00:16:02,233 --> 00:16:05,700 And who's to say that Janelle and Robyn, if they 376 00:16:05,733 --> 00:16:09,500 because they love it so much here... couldn't just stay here? 377 00:16:09,533 --> 00:16:12,300 If you're separated by states, 378 00:16:12,333 --> 00:16:15,533 I don't see how that's a full functioning marriage. 379 00:16:15,567 --> 00:16:19,300 I would not be interested in a marriage separated by states. 380 00:16:19,333 --> 00:16:22,167 If Kody decided to move and he just 381 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,800 really doesn't care what I think or feel or whatever, 382 00:16:24,833 --> 00:16:26,533 I'll go with him. 383 00:16:26,567 --> 00:16:28,233 I'd do what I needed to do. 384 00:16:28,267 --> 00:16:29,467 I don't think it's healthy. 385 00:16:30,733 --> 00:16:33,967 If you're truly wanting to be a part of a cohesive family 386 00:16:34,067 --> 00:16:36,067 you can't live that far apart from each other. 387 00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:38,967 The idea of being married to Kody 388 00:16:39,067 --> 00:16:42,967 and living in a different state is pretty stupid. 389 00:16:43,067 --> 00:16:46,700 And I'm looking at it even from this place of, you know, 390 00:16:46,733 --> 00:16:48,967 kind of a fractured relationship. 391 00:16:49,067 --> 00:16:51,933 You know, would it be any different if I lived... 392 00:16:51,967 --> 00:16:55,233 up at my B&B... or something. You know? 393 00:16:55,267 --> 00:16:58,467 No, it wouldn't. But you know what? 394 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:01,067 It wouldn't help our relationship 395 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:03,067 because I would be that far away. 396 00:17:03,067 --> 00:17:04,300 All right. I'll see you. 397 00:17:05,367 --> 00:17:06,467 Thanks for coming over. 398 00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:07,833 It was nice to see you. 399 00:17:07,867 --> 00:17:09,733 It's good to see you, too. 400 00:17:09,767 --> 00:17:13,233 At this point in my life, this relationship is... 401 00:17:14,467 --> 00:17:18,233 basically where I have an amiable relationship with her 402 00:17:18,267 --> 00:17:23,467 with no desire or interest in a romantic relationship. 403 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:27,700 And I don't know how we're going to continue moving forward. 404 00:17:27,733 --> 00:17:30,733 But now we're actually in a much better relationship. 405 00:17:30,767 --> 00:17:32,267 It's just not romantic. 406 00:17:35,533 --> 00:17:37,400 [upbeat music playing] 407 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:45,533 The university is actually gonna be starting up 408 00:17:45,567 --> 00:17:46,933 a little bit earlier this year, 409 00:17:46,967 --> 00:17:48,700 and so everybody's back in town, 410 00:17:48,733 --> 00:17:50,633 including Gabe's girlfriend. 411 00:17:50,667 --> 00:17:52,067 -[Gabriel] Hi, Mama. - Hi, honey. 412 00:17:52,067 --> 00:17:53,833 - How was school? -[Gabriel] It was all right. 413 00:17:53,867 --> 00:17:55,433 Glad to be on campus again. 414 00:17:55,467 --> 00:17:59,133 So there's just more exposure and more factors that... 415 00:17:59,167 --> 00:18:00,933 we can't quite account for it. 416 00:18:00,967 --> 00:18:04,167 So I just... I need to have a conversation with him about that. 417 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,900 You know, I was thinking... 418 00:18:07,333 --> 00:18:11,267 because your girlfriend's back and you have more exposure... 419 00:18:13,067 --> 00:18:18,600 what do you think about like just kind of staying in your... apartment? 420 00:18:18,633 --> 00:18:20,833 Like just not coming into the house for a couple of weeks? 421 00:18:20,867 --> 00:18:22,533 I don't like it, but you're... 422 00:18:22,567 --> 00:18:24,800 you're hanging out with your girlfriend, 423 00:18:24,833 --> 00:18:26,800 you're on campus. 424 00:18:26,833 --> 00:18:30,300 So since COVID began, we've been struggling 425 00:18:30,333 --> 00:18:33,200 to figure out how to manage Garrison and Gabriel's 426 00:18:33,233 --> 00:18:34,967 activities outside of the home. 427 00:18:35,067 --> 00:18:37,800 They have friends. Garrison works. 428 00:18:37,833 --> 00:18:39,100 Gabriel has school. 429 00:18:39,133 --> 00:18:41,733 That doesn't all mesh with what Kody perceives 430 00:18:41,767 --> 00:18:43,867 is the way to handle the risk. 431 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:45,933 So I have kind of this little 432 00:18:45,967 --> 00:18:49,200 sort of apartment attached to the house that I rent. 433 00:18:49,233 --> 00:18:51,567 He can be self-sufficient. He's got a washer and dryer, 434 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,200 his own bathroom, his own kitchen. 435 00:18:53,233 --> 00:18:55,433 So it'll be a change 'cause I'll see him come and go, 436 00:18:55,467 --> 00:18:56,700 and I'll see his car in the driveway. 437 00:18:56,733 --> 00:18:58,733 But he won't be coming over 438 00:18:58,767 --> 00:19:02,600 to raid my fridge or get a cup of coffee or something, so... 439 00:19:02,633 --> 00:19:04,967 - Your dad is way more careful. - No. Yeah. Like... 440 00:19:05,067 --> 00:19:06,400 [Janelle] And I'm just trying to make sure 441 00:19:06,433 --> 00:19:08,267 he feels comfortable still coming here 442 00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:10,433 and that we're protecting everybody in the family. 443 00:19:10,467 --> 00:19:12,100 But if he comes within two weeks, 444 00:19:12,133 --> 00:19:13,900 - I won't be able to see him? - Yeah. 445 00:19:15,067 --> 00:19:17,500 So now that the summer's kind of over 446 00:19:17,533 --> 00:19:19,267 and cases are going down, 447 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:22,067 things are starting to get a little bit heated 448 00:19:22,067 --> 00:19:24,800 with... with my dad right now. 449 00:19:24,833 --> 00:19:27,800 I'm pissed. I think we should be all, like, together. 450 00:19:27,833 --> 00:19:29,400 I don't... I literally don't understand 451 00:19:29,433 --> 00:19:31,533 why we're all quarantining separate. 452 00:19:31,567 --> 00:19:32,733 I mean, honey, it's really 453 00:19:32,767 --> 00:19:35,733 - just about the girlfriend. - Theoretically, the only way 454 00:19:35,767 --> 00:19:40,167 - to actually be able to see dad... is to get COVID. -[Janelle chuckles] 455 00:19:41,267 --> 00:19:42,533 Just think about it. 456 00:19:42,567 --> 00:19:44,300 We'll be immune and then we can just go hang out with Dad. 457 00:19:44,333 --> 00:19:45,767 Dad doesn't have to worry about 458 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,267 - catching it from us. - The problem is it's scary. It could kill me. 459 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:50,633 - Cough in my mouth. - Yeah. 460 00:19:50,667 --> 00:19:52,333 He's just blowing off a little steam 461 00:19:52,367 --> 00:19:54,633 'cause this has been a really rough several months 462 00:19:54,667 --> 00:19:56,833 of this whole distance, can we be together, 463 00:19:56,867 --> 00:19:59,700 can we not be together. Like, it's been a lot. 464 00:19:59,733 --> 00:20:01,667 Don't get me wrong, I still think we should be safe, 465 00:20:01,700 --> 00:20:05,033 but if I end up getting it... and then I recover... 466 00:20:06,567 --> 00:20:09,233 if that doesn't change the game... 467 00:20:09,267 --> 00:20:11,800 then this was never about COVID at all in the first place. 468 00:20:13,267 --> 00:20:14,533 I know. 469 00:20:14,567 --> 00:20:17,033 Kody still loves his boys, 470 00:20:17,067 --> 00:20:18,833 but he doesn't trust them 471 00:20:18,867 --> 00:20:22,267 as far as what they say their exposure is 472 00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:24,600 or if they're hanging out with friends or not. 473 00:20:24,633 --> 00:20:28,200 And so because he's concerned about the whole family 474 00:20:28,233 --> 00:20:32,167 and possibly picking up the virus at my house 475 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,867 inadvertently and transferring it 476 00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:35,467 to the other family members, 477 00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:39,000 I don't know if Kody's gonna feel comfortable 478 00:20:39,033 --> 00:20:40,900 even in a couple of weeks... 479 00:20:40,933 --> 00:20:43,233 to be around, you know, Gabriel. 480 00:20:43,267 --> 00:20:45,033 There's no rules set up here. There's no... 481 00:20:45,067 --> 00:20:46,467 - I know. -[Gabriel] It's just, Dad's like, 482 00:20:46,500 --> 00:20:48,533 "I can't see anyone. Sorry, bye." 483 00:20:48,567 --> 00:20:50,533 -[Janelle] It's the frustration... -"See you in Christmas." 484 00:20:50,567 --> 00:20:53,800 I spent months trying to make my case, 485 00:20:53,833 --> 00:20:55,100 and I just kept hitting a brick wall 486 00:20:55,133 --> 00:20:56,567 and I finally thought, "You know what? 487 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,333 It's not worth the damage to the relationships 488 00:20:59,367 --> 00:21:01,400 to keep butting my head against this wall." 489 00:21:01,433 --> 00:21:03,100 Isn't it damaging to the relationships 490 00:21:03,133 --> 00:21:04,400 that we don't ever see each other? 491 00:21:04,433 --> 00:21:06,600 Yeah. But you know what? We'll survive that. 492 00:21:07,833 --> 00:21:09,633 We'd probably survive COVID too. 493 00:21:09,667 --> 00:21:10,733 I really think it's dumb. 494 00:21:10,767 --> 00:21:12,367 Not like... The COVID precautions, 495 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,300 I can totally get that, but... 496 00:21:14,333 --> 00:21:17,733 the fact that we're not doing this as a family is absolutely absurd. 497 00:21:19,667 --> 00:21:21,200 So is it Robyn or is it Dad? 498 00:21:22,467 --> 00:21:23,467 I think it's Dad. 499 00:21:25,067 --> 00:21:27,133 I really do. Your dad has been talking to his doctor. 500 00:21:27,167 --> 00:21:28,700 He has all these ideas about 501 00:21:28,733 --> 00:21:31,233 what the rules need to be... you know? 502 00:21:32,567 --> 00:21:35,100 He's... he's an independent decision maker. 503 00:21:35,133 --> 00:21:36,967 Yeah, he's also a freedom lover. 504 00:21:37,067 --> 00:21:39,567 - You know... - And this isn't very free of him. 505 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,267 I don't know, Gabriel, what to say. 506 00:21:42,533 --> 00:21:45,567 I think, at this point, Gabriel should choose his 507 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,100 girlfriend over his dad. 508 00:21:47,133 --> 00:21:48,833 I mean, he can always talk to his dad. 509 00:21:48,867 --> 00:21:51,600 You know, his dad calls all these kids... on the phone. 510 00:21:51,633 --> 00:21:53,300 Like, I think at this stage of his life, 511 00:21:53,333 --> 00:21:55,733 Gabriel needs to be pursuing his life, personally. 512 00:21:57,367 --> 00:21:58,867 Yeah, I mean, like, I just think 513 00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:02,500 making your adult kids stay home is detrimental. 514 00:22:07,533 --> 00:22:11,200 There's an apprehension and tension... 515 00:22:11,233 --> 00:22:13,700 every time we start talking about this. 516 00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:16,167 [Robyn] Do we all unite on this or don't we? 517 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,067 And I guess the freedom that everybody wanted 518 00:22:19,100 --> 00:22:21,667 was more important, and that's okay. 519 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:24,067 The decisions that everybody's making about COVID 520 00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:26,767 has Kody just, like, sort of giving up 521 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,600 on the family culture and the structure that we have. 522 00:22:38,833 --> 00:22:40,733 [Kody] Hunter's almost ready to go back to college. 523 00:22:40,767 --> 00:22:43,267 And we want to get the family together and... 524 00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:45,067 and basically have a cookout, 525 00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:47,700 do campfires out on Coyote Pass. 526 00:22:47,733 --> 00:22:49,167 I'm headed to Robyn's house 527 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,233 because I got to pick up a bunch of tools and equipment 528 00:22:51,267 --> 00:22:54,967 so we can create a bigger, better campfire. 529 00:22:55,067 --> 00:22:56,167 - Hi. - Hey. 530 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,800 - How's it going? - What you doing? 531 00:22:58,833 --> 00:23:01,067 You got the text about fire pit tonight? 532 00:23:01,067 --> 00:23:02,867 [Robyn] Oh, yeah. 533 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:05,600 Well, we're gonna go dig two extra fire pits. 534 00:23:05,633 --> 00:23:06,733 [Robyn] Oh. 535 00:23:06,767 --> 00:23:09,933 Now if I'm doing that, will you let Sol and Ari come? 536 00:23:12,267 --> 00:23:16,133 - Whoa. Uh... - Listen, I'll help corral them. 537 00:23:16,167 --> 00:23:18,700 Okay. This is my thing with Sol and Ari 538 00:23:18,733 --> 00:23:21,200 is if they're sitting there struggling 539 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:24,467 because they can't... go to, 540 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:27,533 you know, hug somebody or play with somebody, 541 00:23:27,567 --> 00:23:30,633 then... you really think they should go? 542 00:23:30,667 --> 00:23:35,267 I'm just... They were so upset when they couldn't play with Truely. 543 00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:37,833 During our birthday week in April, 544 00:23:37,867 --> 00:23:39,933 Christine came over with her girls. 545 00:23:39,967 --> 00:23:41,933 And it was really, really difficult 546 00:23:41,967 --> 00:23:45,933 for Sol and Ari and Truely to not hug and not play. 547 00:23:45,967 --> 00:23:48,233 So it was really, really emotional for them. 548 00:23:48,267 --> 00:23:52,700 I need others, the older kids and parents, 549 00:23:52,733 --> 00:23:55,267 and I think they will, but like that would help. 550 00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:57,567 So I'm not having to chase her 551 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,067 and be the bad guy every single time going, 552 00:24:00,067 --> 00:24:02,633 "Okay... give space," 553 00:24:02,667 --> 00:24:04,400 you know, 'cause I hate doing that. 554 00:24:04,433 --> 00:24:08,100 There's an apprehension and tension... 555 00:24:08,133 --> 00:24:11,067 every time we start talking about this 556 00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:15,533 because there's a lack of trust amongst the family. 557 00:24:15,567 --> 00:24:17,500 So Solomon had RSV when he was little. 558 00:24:17,533 --> 00:24:19,900 That's a respiratory virus that affects your lungs. 559 00:24:19,933 --> 00:24:21,467 And everything they're saying about 560 00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:23,533 COVID is affecting the lungs and the kidneys. 561 00:24:23,567 --> 00:24:24,867 Truely had kidney failure. 562 00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:26,867 I'm concerned that some of our kids, 563 00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:29,400 if they're not following our COVID protocols 564 00:24:29,433 --> 00:24:33,367 and our guidelines, then they could put our little children at risk. 565 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,500 So I'm just like, 566 00:24:34,533 --> 00:24:37,267 "Please, you know, like, can you just conform?" 567 00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:41,867 But Meri's been quarantined literally for... 568 00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:44,067 - weeks now. - Yeah. 569 00:24:44,067 --> 00:24:45,300 Would you be comfortable with her 570 00:24:45,333 --> 00:24:46,800 helping us with Ari and Sol? 571 00:24:46,833 --> 00:24:48,633 Can Ari sit on her lap 572 00:24:48,667 --> 00:24:50,433 because she's literally been... 573 00:24:50,467 --> 00:24:51,833 like, literally been quarantined. 574 00:24:52,933 --> 00:24:54,667 I don't know. Well, what... 575 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:56,333 I mean, I would be great with that, 576 00:24:56,367 --> 00:24:57,833 but I don't know what, like, 577 00:24:57,867 --> 00:25:00,567 how is everybody else gonna see that, Kody? 578 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:05,500 I would love to be able to have my kids, 579 00:25:05,533 --> 00:25:08,267 you know, interact and hang out with Meri. 580 00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:11,067 But how will the other wives and the other kids 581 00:25:11,067 --> 00:25:13,433 kind of take it if all of a sudden Kody says, 582 00:25:13,467 --> 00:25:16,467 "Hey, you guys can interact and touch each other"? 583 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:19,200 This isn't the right time to just kind of throw that in there 584 00:25:19,233 --> 00:25:21,300 because we've never discussed it. 585 00:25:21,333 --> 00:25:22,900 Well, Meri is gonna have to sit by one fire 586 00:25:22,933 --> 00:25:24,133 'cause I'm only building three. 587 00:25:24,167 --> 00:25:26,067 So she's gonna have to be in another group... 588 00:25:26,067 --> 00:25:27,600 All right. But see, Meri is really good about 589 00:25:27,633 --> 00:25:28,867 the social distancing thing. 590 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:31,333 She's really good about just being really careful. 591 00:25:31,367 --> 00:25:32,433 -[Kody] Yeah. - She has been. 592 00:25:32,467 --> 00:25:34,067 But I just don't know how that'll... 593 00:25:34,067 --> 00:25:37,733 how that will... come across to everybody else. 594 00:25:37,767 --> 00:25:40,667 Is it a thing that makes everybody feel like 595 00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:44,100 we don't have to follow rules or something that they do? 596 00:25:44,133 --> 00:25:45,400 - Right. -[Robyn] So I'm just saying... 597 00:25:45,433 --> 00:25:46,767 Now's not the time to modify the rules, 598 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,633 - I guess. - No. No, no, no, no. 599 00:25:48,667 --> 00:25:50,967 This needs to be a nice, 600 00:25:51,067 --> 00:25:54,767 happy family experience for Hunter. 601 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,933 So the whole family, like all the wives, 602 00:25:56,967 --> 00:25:58,767 all the kids wanted to quarantine. 603 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,333 Basically, stay home, order out your groceries, 604 00:26:01,367 --> 00:26:03,067 have somebody else deliver them 605 00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:04,667 and no traveling. 606 00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:06,100 If everybody wanted to do that, 607 00:26:06,133 --> 00:26:07,733 then that would change the disposition. 608 00:26:07,767 --> 00:26:10,067 The whole family would be able to get together. 609 00:26:10,067 --> 00:26:12,433 More than half of the family is unwilling to do that. 610 00:26:12,467 --> 00:26:15,933 They're just not willing to... to essentially quarantine. 611 00:26:15,967 --> 00:26:19,167 I have been being so careful to follow your rules 612 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,867 because I know that Sol and Ari 613 00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:22,267 can't be away from you 614 00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:23,667 for the two weeks that you've done 615 00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:26,067 with other people because of their traveling 616 00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:28,767 and their having people in town and stuff like that. 617 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,700 I'm trying to check this with my other wives, 618 00:26:31,733 --> 00:26:33,167 "Are you sure we're doing the right thing?" 619 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,667 Well, obviously Christine doesn't think 620 00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:36,667 we're doing the right thing 'cause Christine is traveling 621 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:38,333 and going different places. 622 00:26:38,367 --> 00:26:40,067 And Janelle, she's sort of back and forth. 623 00:26:40,067 --> 00:26:42,700 Then Meri, she's obviously willing to quarantine 624 00:26:42,733 --> 00:26:44,300 so that she can hang out with Robyn. 625 00:26:44,333 --> 00:26:46,667 And then Robyn's been sequestered. 626 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:50,100 I just thought, "Man, if everybody would just do that... 627 00:26:50,133 --> 00:26:52,467 then we'll all see each other all the time." 628 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:54,333 Everybody should have their choice. 629 00:26:54,367 --> 00:26:56,300 And so I guess that was the choice 630 00:26:56,333 --> 00:26:58,400 that everybody got to make 631 00:26:58,433 --> 00:27:01,233 is, do they stick to your rules or don't they? 632 00:27:01,267 --> 00:27:03,667 Do we all unite on this or don't we? 633 00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:06,533 And I guess the freedom that everybody wanted 634 00:27:06,567 --> 00:27:08,767 was more important. And that's okay. 635 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,767 Well, it hasn't been easy on me at all. 636 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,067 I understand. 637 00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:14,700 The decisions that everybody's making about COVID 638 00:27:14,733 --> 00:27:17,067 has Kody just, like, sort of 639 00:27:17,067 --> 00:27:18,800 giving up on the family culture 640 00:27:18,833 --> 00:27:20,700 and the structure that we have. 641 00:27:20,733 --> 00:27:24,233 And it's really... really been hard. 642 00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:26,733 It's shocking to me. 643 00:27:26,767 --> 00:27:28,867 It's shocking every time he talks like that. 644 00:27:31,667 --> 00:27:33,133 And I'm trying not to, like, 645 00:27:33,167 --> 00:27:34,833 take it super, super seriously, 646 00:27:34,867 --> 00:27:36,100 let him process through. 647 00:27:36,133 --> 00:27:37,433 Maybe this is just COVID. 648 00:27:38,933 --> 00:27:41,667 But it's been really, really difficult. 649 00:27:44,633 --> 00:27:45,800 Today is the day. 650 00:27:45,833 --> 00:27:48,467 Sol and Ari. A little more distanced. 651 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:50,633 Okay. Let's just do this right 652 00:27:50,667 --> 00:27:51,967 so we can do it again. 653 00:27:53,067 --> 00:27:54,300 [Christine] I'm gonna be honest, 654 00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:57,467 we've hung out at Janelle's house a few times. 655 00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:58,633 I just had to choose. You know, 656 00:27:58,667 --> 00:28:00,933 it came down choosing between Janelle and Kody. 657 00:28:00,967 --> 00:28:04,433 And... I chose Janelle sometimes. 658 00:28:12,767 --> 00:28:14,767 [upbeat music playing] 659 00:28:20,533 --> 00:28:21,933 [Kody] Today, I'm at Coyote Pass. 660 00:28:21,967 --> 00:28:24,167 I'm working with the boys, digging the new fire pits. 661 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,533 We're expanding our family area 662 00:28:26,567 --> 00:28:27,700 so we can gather tonight 663 00:28:27,733 --> 00:28:31,533 for sort of a farewell... dinner 664 00:28:31,567 --> 00:28:33,833 for Hunter before he leaves for Baltimore. 665 00:28:34,933 --> 00:28:36,200 Today is the day. 666 00:28:36,233 --> 00:28:37,433 Look at the pitch go. 667 00:28:37,467 --> 00:28:39,267 [Janelle] It'll be the first time we're getting together 668 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:41,300 as a family in like five months. 669 00:28:41,333 --> 00:28:42,767 I'm actually really excited. 670 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,667 It's like it's more just like relief. 671 00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:48,200 I'm just looking forward to that, that moment 672 00:28:48,233 --> 00:28:50,200 when we can just all relax on the property 673 00:28:50,233 --> 00:28:52,333 and be in each other's company again. 674 00:28:52,367 --> 00:28:53,833 Listen to me, my boys. 675 00:28:53,867 --> 00:28:56,133 You need to be respectful and stay socially distanced. 676 00:28:56,167 --> 00:28:57,667 Mom, we've already... we know. 677 00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:59,067 -[Janelle] Okay. - We are also 678 00:28:59,067 --> 00:29:00,933 - practicing social distances. - Don't talk to my mother that way. 679 00:29:00,967 --> 00:29:02,733 - You got it, Mom. - Yes. 680 00:29:02,767 --> 00:29:03,833 I will do as you say. 681 00:29:03,867 --> 00:29:05,133 I'm just trying to make sure 682 00:29:05,167 --> 00:29:07,867 this is a successful gathering and we do it again. 683 00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:09,267 [Hunter] Yeah. I've already told my dad, 684 00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:13,133 "I think socially distancing as a family is dumb." 685 00:29:13,167 --> 00:29:15,900 I think it's stupid. It's the parents' decision 686 00:29:15,933 --> 00:29:18,167 and so I'll stand by that. 687 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,333 But I don't know 688 00:29:19,367 --> 00:29:20,700 when the next time I'll be home is, so 689 00:29:20,733 --> 00:29:22,867 just trying and enjoy the time I have with them. 690 00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:25,600 [indistinct conversation] 691 00:29:25,633 --> 00:29:27,233 Yeah. Things between Kody and I 692 00:29:27,267 --> 00:29:29,433 are a little stiff right now. But it's a family barbecue, 693 00:29:29,467 --> 00:29:31,300 and we haven't gotten together for so long. 694 00:29:31,333 --> 00:29:32,867 So all of that's just put away, 695 00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:36,233 and we're just going to have a great time. 696 00:29:36,267 --> 00:29:39,067 You know, we haven't all been on the same page 697 00:29:39,067 --> 00:29:40,767 about how to manage COVID. 698 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,600 So I'm hoping that everybody can kind of just 699 00:29:43,633 --> 00:29:47,367 respect Kody's wishes about how we do this today 700 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,733 so that we can maybe do it again. 701 00:29:48,767 --> 00:29:49,833 Hi, Meri! 702 00:29:52,367 --> 00:29:53,500 Meri! 703 00:29:55,067 --> 00:29:57,400 Yeah, tell her that's... that's it. That's good. 704 00:29:57,433 --> 00:29:58,767 - That's good. - That's good. 705 00:30:01,933 --> 00:30:04,367 I'm actually excited to see everybody. 706 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,433 It's gonna be kind of a big bummer 707 00:30:06,467 --> 00:30:09,500 that, you know, we can't do like all the hugs 708 00:30:09,533 --> 00:30:12,267 because, like, I am so ready for a hug. 709 00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:15,833 But... being able to see everybody is gonna be good. 710 00:30:15,867 --> 00:30:17,733 So where should we land? 711 00:30:17,767 --> 00:30:19,667 Look at this. It's beautiful. 712 00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:21,467 I think Kody needs one more fire pit 713 00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:23,333 and one more table. 714 00:30:23,367 --> 00:30:26,867 Like there's three fire pits, but there's four wives. 715 00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:29,133 And we all have to stay separated. 716 00:30:29,167 --> 00:30:30,433 I think it's strange. 717 00:30:30,467 --> 00:30:32,933 I'm glad that he has the three separate pits, 718 00:30:32,967 --> 00:30:35,367 but I think we need one more, right? 719 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,067 - Gabe, can you make a couple more spots? -[Gabriel] Yes. 720 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:40,633 Oh, my gosh. I do not need a fire pit. 721 00:30:40,667 --> 00:30:42,800 This is just me. I don't need a fire pit. 722 00:30:42,833 --> 00:30:44,933 I'm probably not gonna have a s'more anyway. 723 00:30:46,033 --> 00:30:47,100 Hey, you guys, 724 00:30:47,133 --> 00:30:50,067 can we have everybody's attention real fast? 725 00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:51,667 [Kody] Hey, everybody, listen. 726 00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:55,433 [Christine] Ysabel and I have some news to share. 727 00:30:55,467 --> 00:30:58,533 Ysabel is finally getting her surgery on her back. 728 00:30:58,567 --> 00:30:59,767 - Whoo! -[Kody] Yay! 729 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,900 Whoo-hoo-hoo! 730 00:31:00,933 --> 00:31:02,467 We finally have an appointment 731 00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:03,833 for Ysabel for her surgery. 732 00:31:03,867 --> 00:31:05,633 It's about six weeks away. 733 00:31:05,667 --> 00:31:07,267 We found out that Ysabel had scoliosis 734 00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:09,333 when she was like 13 in middle school. 735 00:31:09,367 --> 00:31:12,367 And it's been about four years now 736 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,533 that she's... just been in so much pain. 737 00:31:15,567 --> 00:31:17,800 We finally have the date. 738 00:31:17,833 --> 00:31:19,467 So it's a special surgery 739 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:22,133 where they go in through the side of her. 740 00:31:22,167 --> 00:31:26,367 She ends up having about a four-inch scar under her arm. 741 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,067 [Gabriel] Scars are badass. I mean, bad as, sorry. 742 00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,067 Don't tell Kody this. This is a secret. 743 00:31:31,067 --> 00:31:32,400 Are you ready for a secret? 744 00:31:32,433 --> 00:31:34,067 So Ysabel goes, 745 00:31:34,067 --> 00:31:36,267 "I'm gonna get the scoliosis surgery. I'm gonna have that big, huge scar. 746 00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:38,933 So I honestly would like a tattoo going down the scar. 747 00:31:38,967 --> 00:31:40,067 What do you think about that?" 748 00:31:40,067 --> 00:31:41,067 And I'm like... 749 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,200 I don't think I should say the rest. 750 00:31:47,233 --> 00:31:50,633 But I said, "Yes, definitely." 751 00:31:50,667 --> 00:31:52,533 And when we were raised, like when I was raised, 752 00:31:52,567 --> 00:31:55,667 like tattoos were extremely forbidden. 753 00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:58,967 And Kody is so adamantly opposed to tattoos. 754 00:31:59,067 --> 00:32:01,200 I doubt she's told him. 755 00:32:01,233 --> 00:32:04,300 But I mean, she's gonna be 18 and moving out. 756 00:32:05,333 --> 00:32:06,533 I guess how he feels about it... 757 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,067 doesn't really matter because 758 00:32:10,067 --> 00:32:11,900 she won't be living at home when she gets one. 759 00:32:13,067 --> 00:32:15,667 They go in. And instead of using the rods, 760 00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:18,500 we were able to find someone that does fibers. 761 00:32:18,533 --> 00:32:20,533 So they're gonna screw fibers 762 00:32:20,567 --> 00:32:25,467 into her spine instead of the big, huge rods. 763 00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:28,567 And this way, she'll have more movement. 764 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,267 He's like, "Can't give you a like 100% success rate" 765 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:35,200 because the fibers do break, they do snap. 766 00:32:35,233 --> 00:32:37,067 They use so many fibers, though, 767 00:32:37,067 --> 00:32:39,067 that when they snap, it's okay. 768 00:32:39,067 --> 00:32:41,767 Even though it's COVID right now, 769 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,933 we're still gonna get the surgery. 770 00:32:43,967 --> 00:32:46,067 Like, Kody can't come with us to the surgery 771 00:32:46,067 --> 00:32:47,533 because of COVID. 772 00:32:47,567 --> 00:32:49,600 And he would love it if we waited 773 00:32:49,633 --> 00:32:51,500 so he could come too. 774 00:32:51,533 --> 00:32:54,267 But waiting isn't an option. Ysabel's in too much pain. 775 00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:55,633 We need to get it done. 776 00:32:55,667 --> 00:32:58,333 She is really... really sad about that. 777 00:32:58,367 --> 00:33:01,167 She really wants her dad there so badly. 778 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,867 That's the hardest part right there 779 00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:04,833 is that Kody can't come to the surgery. 780 00:33:04,867 --> 00:33:06,200 [Kody] I'm so excited for you... 781 00:33:06,233 --> 00:33:07,600 -[Ysabel] It's awesome, right? - Ysabel. 782 00:33:07,633 --> 00:33:10,267 - That's gonna be so awesome. - And you know what's great about it? 783 00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:12,333 Everything about this way 784 00:33:12,367 --> 00:33:15,767 is so much better because the rate of infection, 785 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,067 the rate of having to have a surgery again. 786 00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:19,900 Ysabel and Christine are gonna be gone for a month 787 00:33:19,933 --> 00:33:21,967 and then they have to quarantine before 788 00:33:22,067 --> 00:33:23,067 and then after. 789 00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:25,400 So we're talking about a six-week process, 790 00:33:25,433 --> 00:33:26,933 and it's just not good for me to be away 791 00:33:26,967 --> 00:33:29,633 from all the other family for that length of time. 792 00:33:29,667 --> 00:33:30,833 [Ysabel] That's exciting. 793 00:33:30,867 --> 00:33:32,200 -[Christine] Yeah. -[Ysabel] Thank you. 794 00:33:32,233 --> 00:33:34,500 - Congrats, Izzy. -[Ysabel] Yay. Yay. Yay! 795 00:33:34,533 --> 00:33:37,100 We do hugs. But, you know, hashtag COVID. 796 00:33:37,133 --> 00:33:42,067 We have all been... kind of on this journey with Ysabel 797 00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:45,733 as she's gone through her scoliosis issues 798 00:33:45,767 --> 00:33:49,200 and everybody's excited. The kids are cute about it. 799 00:33:49,233 --> 00:33:50,533 They're all rooting for her. 800 00:33:50,567 --> 00:33:53,600 [Robyn] Sol and Ari, a little more distance. 801 00:33:53,633 --> 00:33:55,967 [Kody] Hey... hey. Distance. 802 00:33:56,067 --> 00:33:58,067 - This way, Ari. Ariella. - Come on. 803 00:33:58,067 --> 00:34:01,433 It's like, "Okay. Let's just do this right so that 804 00:34:01,467 --> 00:34:03,100 Dad will see that we're doing it right 805 00:34:03,133 --> 00:34:04,433 so we can do it again." 806 00:34:04,467 --> 00:34:05,633 [Hunter speaking] 807 00:34:05,667 --> 00:34:07,067 [Christine] I think you guys are the same. 808 00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:08,933 - It's really difficult. - Okay, we'll call it the same. 809 00:34:08,967 --> 00:34:10,633 Look, I'm gonna be honest with you. 810 00:34:10,667 --> 00:34:13,300 This is real honesty here. 811 00:34:13,333 --> 00:34:15,533 We've hung out at Janelle's house a few times, 812 00:34:15,567 --> 00:34:16,633 my kids and I. 813 00:34:16,667 --> 00:34:20,067 So... even though Kody's like... 814 00:34:21,433 --> 00:34:22,833 No. 815 00:34:22,867 --> 00:34:24,433 I just had to choose. You know, it came down 816 00:34:24,467 --> 00:34:26,467 to choosing between Janelle and Kody, and... 817 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,700 I chose Janelle sometimes. 818 00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:39,567 [Robyn] Ari, stay away from everybody. 819 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,433 I'm trying not to get, like, 820 00:34:41,467 --> 00:34:44,467 frustrated, but I'm the one chasing the kids. 821 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:46,067 It's what I thought was gonna happen. 822 00:34:46,067 --> 00:34:48,067 We just want to keep on playing. 823 00:34:48,067 --> 00:34:51,067 You guys have to stay, like, distant from each other. 824 00:34:51,067 --> 00:34:52,133 I'm trying. 825 00:34:52,167 --> 00:34:55,600 I'm just this big jerk. "Stay away from each other!" 826 00:35:09,067 --> 00:35:10,600 So this feels so normal, 827 00:35:10,633 --> 00:35:13,200 we've got the fires and everybody's here, 828 00:35:13,233 --> 00:35:16,133 and it just feels jovial. 829 00:35:16,167 --> 00:35:17,333 It's wonderful. 830 00:35:17,367 --> 00:35:19,633 [indistinct chatter] 831 00:35:19,667 --> 00:35:22,433 [Robyn] Okay, remember. You're staying six feet apart. 832 00:35:22,467 --> 00:35:24,967 We're staying together. And yet apart. 833 00:35:25,067 --> 00:35:26,700 Yeah, no, it is stressful. 834 00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:29,567 I'm supposed to help the kids maintain... 835 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,933 this... six feet protocol. 836 00:35:31,967 --> 00:35:35,267 And I'm just like... and it's so not part of their nature. 837 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:37,067 I mean, it's so not normal. 838 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,467 [Robyn] Not to close, Truely. 839 00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:43,067 Meri... will you tell them to stay away? 840 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:45,267 Ari, stay away from everybody! 841 00:35:48,733 --> 00:35:51,733 Truely, if she starts walking towards you... 842 00:35:51,767 --> 00:35:52,767 back up. 843 00:35:56,167 --> 00:35:58,467 Ari... you have got to 844 00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:00,533 like keep your distance from people. 845 00:36:00,567 --> 00:36:01,867 [Meri] I keep telling them. 846 00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:04,367 I'm trying not to get frustrated 847 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,200 'cause I don't want to ruin the experience for everybody. 848 00:36:07,233 --> 00:36:09,633 But I'm the one chasing the kids. 849 00:36:10,733 --> 00:36:13,067 It's what I thought was gonna happen, so. 850 00:36:13,067 --> 00:36:15,467 [Meri] I'm trying, Robyn. I'm trying. 851 00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:17,200 Ariella is only four years old. 852 00:36:17,233 --> 00:36:19,633 She gets to be with Solomon all the time. 853 00:36:19,667 --> 00:36:21,067 The two of them are out here, 854 00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:24,067 and then there's Truely who she has to stay away from. 855 00:36:24,067 --> 00:36:26,633 And then I have to be away from them as well. 856 00:36:26,667 --> 00:36:28,733 That's just not normal... kid behavior. 857 00:36:28,767 --> 00:36:30,900 So I'm sure it's kind of difficult for them. 858 00:36:30,933 --> 00:36:33,067 [Solomon] We just want to keep on playing. 859 00:36:33,067 --> 00:36:34,200 [Robyn] I know you want to play. 860 00:36:34,233 --> 00:36:36,900 But you guys have to stay distant from each other. 861 00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:38,267 [Solomon] I'm trying. 862 00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:39,533 I'm just this big jerk, 863 00:36:39,567 --> 00:36:41,767 "Stay away from each other! 864 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,933 You're brothers and sisters and you love each other, 865 00:36:43,967 --> 00:36:46,267 but don't touch each other!" 866 00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:49,067 I'm trying as hard as I can to follow the rules. Okay? 867 00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:51,333 And I am really aware that you're doing that. 868 00:36:51,367 --> 00:36:53,167 - Okay. -[Kody] I'm supposed to be helping you 869 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,467 and I kind of checked out. 870 00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:56,267 Okay. 871 00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:59,433 Who wants to sit and abide by these protocols 872 00:36:59,467 --> 00:37:02,433 for four months and then get... 873 00:37:02,467 --> 00:37:04,867 sick once because they let their guard down? 874 00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:06,767 And I realize that it's a burden to Robyn 875 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,067 to be able to do this. 876 00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:10,067 [Janelle] Hey, you guys, Dayton. 877 00:37:10,067 --> 00:37:12,667 Dayton and Garrison, I need to respect your mom. 878 00:37:13,733 --> 00:37:15,833 [Kody] Ari, Sol! Sol! 879 00:37:15,867 --> 00:37:19,533 Solomon! Truely. You guys are supposed to be six feet apart. 880 00:37:19,567 --> 00:37:21,167 [Christine] Truely! 881 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,933 Make sure you keep your distance. 882 00:37:23,967 --> 00:37:26,100 -[Truely] I will. - You're the best. 883 00:37:26,133 --> 00:37:28,067 Truely has missed everyone so much. 884 00:37:28,067 --> 00:37:30,700 She has missed Sol and Ari so much. 885 00:37:30,733 --> 00:37:33,733 We'll do our best to maintain that. But... 886 00:37:33,767 --> 00:37:36,533 she is really glad to be here with everybody. 887 00:37:36,567 --> 00:37:37,833 It's really nice. 888 00:37:39,733 --> 00:37:41,100 [Kody] That's perfect, Meri. 889 00:37:41,133 --> 00:37:42,500 It's got a little bit of chocolate on it. 890 00:37:42,533 --> 00:37:44,333 -[Meri] You did that for me? -[Kody] Yeah. 891 00:37:44,367 --> 00:37:46,600 Kody made me a s'more. 892 00:37:46,633 --> 00:37:49,400 I'm gonna... I'm gonna tell a secret, 893 00:37:49,433 --> 00:37:52,900 and I saw Robyn tell him to make it for me. 894 00:37:52,933 --> 00:37:55,333 And I'm okay with that 'cause he still made it for me. 895 00:37:56,500 --> 00:38:00,267 Kody, that is divine! 896 00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:02,300 To me, this is just kind of what it's all about, 897 00:38:02,333 --> 00:38:05,667 like we're meant to have each other's backs. 898 00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:07,967 That's so good. 899 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,867 I don't know... 900 00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:14,733 I don't know what you're talking about. 901 00:38:16,167 --> 00:38:17,567 [Christine] But we can do this. 902 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,833 - Yeah, this is gonna be fine. - This is functional, I think. 903 00:38:19,867 --> 00:38:23,467 We haven't done anything together for so long. 904 00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:25,967 And it's almost like I was nervous. 905 00:38:26,067 --> 00:38:27,833 I was really nervous that we would get together, 906 00:38:27,867 --> 00:38:29,800 and it would be awkward. 907 00:38:29,833 --> 00:38:32,667 Once everybody got there... 908 00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:34,067 it was just apparent that 909 00:38:34,067 --> 00:38:36,133 we've all missed each other really badly. 910 00:38:36,167 --> 00:38:38,967 [Janelle] Maybe we all... Like, we all quarantine 911 00:38:39,067 --> 00:38:40,067 for like two weeks and then 912 00:38:40,067 --> 00:38:41,733 we can do the holidays together, right? 913 00:38:41,767 --> 00:38:44,333 If we want to do that or if we want to do it 914 00:38:44,367 --> 00:38:47,067 to where only the mothers even go to town... 915 00:38:48,367 --> 00:38:50,100 or leave the homes, 916 00:38:50,133 --> 00:38:51,233 then we can do that. 917 00:38:51,267 --> 00:38:53,233 Hopefully, we'll have a better idea 918 00:38:53,267 --> 00:38:55,233 of what it looks like when we get closer, huh, maybe? 919 00:38:55,267 --> 00:38:56,833 - Yeah. -[Kody] The only reason we're doing this, 920 00:38:56,867 --> 00:38:59,067 you guys, is so that I can see everybody. 921 00:39:00,133 --> 00:39:02,200 Maybe we can have Thanksgiving right here. 922 00:39:02,233 --> 00:39:04,100 -[Janelle] Not in the winter. - Are you kidding me? 923 00:39:04,133 --> 00:39:07,233 He can come here if he wants, but I am not coming here. 924 00:39:07,267 --> 00:39:10,133 I have no interest in having Thanksgiving right here 925 00:39:10,167 --> 00:39:12,333 in the middle of dirt and probably cold. 926 00:39:12,367 --> 00:39:14,600 Is he clocking the weather situation? 927 00:39:14,633 --> 00:39:16,133 Thanksgiving, it snows. 928 00:39:16,167 --> 00:39:18,133 Tons of snow. I don't know if we can drive out here. 929 00:39:19,367 --> 00:39:22,433 Why? Why can't we just not discuss COVID? 930 00:39:22,467 --> 00:39:25,633 [Hunter] I think that Thanksgiving and Christmas should be exceptions. 931 00:39:25,667 --> 00:39:27,967 [Kody] Well, just as I told you, 932 00:39:28,067 --> 00:39:30,800 what we do is... is for we... 933 00:39:30,833 --> 00:39:32,133 we figure it out. 934 00:39:32,167 --> 00:39:34,733 We make a plan. We abide by the plan 935 00:39:34,767 --> 00:39:35,867 and then we do it. 936 00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:37,633 You know, with a family like ours 937 00:39:37,667 --> 00:39:41,100 where we're a very large family, but we're very close, 938 00:39:41,133 --> 00:39:43,567 I feel so distant from the rest of them. 939 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,067 My relationship with Gabe and Savanah and my mom 940 00:39:46,067 --> 00:39:51,667 has definitely improved, but at the cost of losing my relationship 941 00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:53,633 with Robyn's and Christine's kids. 942 00:39:53,667 --> 00:39:54,867 [Gabriel] I kind of agree with that. 943 00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:56,267 I'm tired of the... of the... 944 00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:00,300 I'm really tired of it. I want my family back. 945 00:40:00,333 --> 00:40:02,400 [Meri] We'll have a much better idea when we get closer. 946 00:40:02,433 --> 00:40:04,867 [Janelle] Yeah, it might look really different by the time we get there. 947 00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:06,167 - It's hard to say. - It's only August. 948 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,700 What, this started in, what, March? 949 00:40:07,733 --> 00:40:10,333 [Meri] March. We've only been at it for... 950 00:40:10,367 --> 00:40:11,633 - Five months. -...five months. 951 00:40:11,667 --> 00:40:13,267 Now, look, we're having this great time. 952 00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:14,800 We're all here together. 953 00:40:14,833 --> 00:40:15,900 I don't think we need to bring 954 00:40:15,933 --> 00:40:18,333 this conversation topic up right this minute. 955 00:40:18,367 --> 00:40:19,633 It can't be solved. 956 00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:21,000 It can't be solved right now. 957 00:40:21,033 --> 00:40:22,067 So why bring it up? 958 00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:23,500 I know people who have nearly died. 959 00:40:23,533 --> 00:40:25,000 I know them personally. So let's just be... 960 00:40:25,033 --> 00:40:26,967 - personally people... - I know people who have gotten it... 961 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,433 - and had zero symptoms. - Guys, this is... 962 00:40:28,467 --> 00:40:30,533 hey, this is not the conversation we're having tonight. 963 00:40:30,567 --> 00:40:32,367 No, no. It's serious. It's serious. 964 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,800 I get that. But as a family... 965 00:40:34,833 --> 00:40:36,500 I think we should be quarantined together. 966 00:40:36,533 --> 00:40:38,200 I'm literally suffering 967 00:40:38,233 --> 00:40:41,333 from hurt feelings by my family's refusal... 968 00:40:41,367 --> 00:40:44,967 to abide by COVID quarantine protocols. 969 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,167 I want to do the right thing. 970 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,967 And... it's breaking my heart that I... 971 00:40:53,567 --> 00:40:55,567 have been marginalized to the point where I am 972 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,400 no longer the head of my household 973 00:40:57,433 --> 00:40:58,500 in a couple of homes. 974 00:41:02,833 --> 00:41:05,533 [indistinct chatter] 975 00:41:05,567 --> 00:41:06,700 [indistinct conversation] 976 00:41:06,733 --> 00:41:09,067 [Christine] Everyone pretty much kept their distance 977 00:41:09,067 --> 00:41:10,567 for the most part. 978 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,200 But it was... it was a really good time. 979 00:41:14,233 --> 00:41:18,367 [Meri] This whole family get-together social distance style, 980 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,400 it's just not what our family does 981 00:41:20,433 --> 00:41:24,233 and it's... it's kind of hard. It's sad. 982 00:41:24,267 --> 00:41:26,600 [Robyn] You know, other than just kind of chasing little kids around, 983 00:41:26,633 --> 00:41:28,200 you know, I enjoyed it. 984 00:41:28,233 --> 00:41:31,133 And I wish we could do this more often. I really do. 985 00:41:31,167 --> 00:41:34,733 It's nice to see my family. I love them. 986 00:41:34,767 --> 00:41:37,700 [Janelle] I've noticed that it's really, really important 987 00:41:37,733 --> 00:41:39,500 for our family to get together. 988 00:41:39,533 --> 00:41:41,733 I think it's been a really dangerous thing... 989 00:41:42,867 --> 00:41:44,933 because when we don't get together often, 990 00:41:44,967 --> 00:41:46,400 we lose sight of the whole. 991 00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:54,733 [Kody] Next time on Sister Wives... 992 00:41:54,767 --> 00:41:57,633 We found out that Ysabel had scoliosis when she was 14. 993 00:41:57,667 --> 00:41:58,967 She has to get surgery. 994 00:41:59,067 --> 00:42:00,200 I'm sorry I can't go. 995 00:42:00,233 --> 00:42:03,567 She's going off to have a major surgery done. 996 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,967 And I can't hug her. 997 00:42:05,067 --> 00:42:06,100 Thanks, Dad. I love you. 998 00:42:06,133 --> 00:42:07,733 [Ysabel] I don't know, why wouldn't he be there? 999 00:42:07,767 --> 00:42:09,933 Why wouldn't he just drop everything for me? 1000 00:42:11,133 --> 00:42:13,267 [Meri] This conversation about 1001 00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:16,200 how to divide up the property is a long time coming. 1002 00:42:16,233 --> 00:42:18,533 [Robyn] It's been two years, we just need to get out there. 1003 00:42:20,733 --> 00:42:23,067 I would move to Utah in a heartbeat. Are you kidding me? 1004 00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:24,600 Is it on the table still? 1005 00:42:24,633 --> 00:42:27,133 No, it's not on the table. 1006 00:42:27,167 --> 00:42:28,700 I'm not gonna talk to you. 1007 00:42:28,733 --> 00:42:30,733 Look, he's not even my friend right now. 1008 00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:33,567 Feels like a bit of a crossroads. 1009 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,700 I don't know what to do. 1010 00:42:36,233 --> 00:42:37,067 [crying]