1 00:00:01,275 --> 00:00:02,551 [announcer] Previously onSister Wives. 2 00:00:02,655 --> 00:00:04,620 I think life's gotten really easy for us, 3 00:00:04,724 --> 00:00:06,137 and we all go home to our little houses 4 00:00:06,241 --> 00:00:07,586 and we complain about somebody. 5 00:00:07,689 --> 00:00:09,655 We'll have to decide what we really want. 6 00:00:09,758 --> 00:00:14,206 Do you want to have a relationship with your sister wife? 7 00:00:14,310 --> 00:00:16,034 Maybe there are some of us who are like, 8 00:00:16,137 --> 00:00:17,896 "Look, I don't want it anymore." 9 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,379 It's hard to find that balance of being strong and not being a bitch. 10 00:00:21,482 --> 00:00:26,275 I want wives who get along with each other and who like each other 11 00:00:26,379 --> 00:00:30,551 and who don't sit there and say snotty little [bleep] things 12 00:00:30,655 --> 00:00:32,586 to each other that break their hearts. 13 00:00:32,689 --> 00:00:36,517 Would every one of these women be better off married to another guy? 14 00:00:36,620 --> 00:00:42,517 Meri, I have a very difficult time, like, visualizing us in the future. 15 00:00:42,620 --> 00:00:46,413 Dude, you've got four wives and 18 kids. 16 00:00:46,517 --> 00:00:49,517 You're just going to pick and choose who you're gonna keep? 17 00:00:49,620 --> 00:00:52,793 Nobody likes what we're having to do for this COVID experience. 18 00:00:52,896 --> 00:00:55,206 And we're not gonna see Dad anyway. 19 00:00:55,310 --> 00:00:56,965 Why would I social distance? 20 00:00:57,068 --> 00:01:00,275 I just feel all this pressure on the family relationships. 21 00:01:00,379 --> 00:01:03,413 There's very separate feelings starting to happen. 22 00:01:03,517 --> 00:01:06,655 When Kody proposed moving back in Vegas, 23 00:01:06,758 --> 00:01:09,068 I, at first, really wanted to go to Utah too. 24 00:01:09,172 --> 00:01:11,517 But then I thought, "You know, I really don't want that life." 25 00:01:11,620 --> 00:01:14,034 And then polygamy got decriminalized. 26 00:01:14,965 --> 00:01:18,103 And I wonder why we're still here. 27 00:01:18,793 --> 00:01:20,310 Oh, my gosh. [chuckles] 28 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:21,965 We can be by family again. 29 00:01:22,068 --> 00:01:24,758 We can be back home. 30 00:01:24,862 --> 00:01:28,344 Once we basically were kicked out of Utah, 31 00:01:28,448 --> 00:01:30,620 I've just kind of had a feeling of, 32 00:01:30,724 --> 00:01:33,310 "Well, I'm not gonna grace you with my presence then." 33 00:01:33,413 --> 00:01:35,655 [Janelle] There's nothing for me in Utah. 34 00:01:35,758 --> 00:01:36,931 Nothing. 35 00:01:38,275 --> 00:01:40,413 We're not moving, are we? 36 00:01:41,551 --> 00:01:43,000 [sobs] 37 00:02:14,758 --> 00:02:16,517 [Christine sobbing] 38 00:02:18,448 --> 00:02:20,655 Come here. Come here, come here, come here, come here, come here. 39 00:02:20,758 --> 00:02:22,586 God. Come here. 40 00:02:22,689 --> 00:02:24,517 All right. [sniffs] 41 00:02:24,620 --> 00:02:29,655 So, Christine's her reaction to the rejection of the idea of moving to Utah 42 00:02:29,758 --> 00:02:33,517 was so negative, so emotional. 43 00:02:33,620 --> 00:02:36,551 You know, basically get up and walk away. 44 00:02:36,655 --> 00:02:38,655 And I don't understand why really. 45 00:02:38,758 --> 00:02:41,586 I don't understand why she was in that place. 46 00:02:41,689 --> 00:02:43,551 [Christine] Meri, I can't do marriage with Kody anymore. 47 00:02:43,655 --> 00:02:44,896 I don't want to-- 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,413 [Meri] Just look at the mountain. 49 00:02:46,517 --> 00:02:48,931 [Christine] I don't want to do it anymore. 50 00:02:49,034 --> 00:02:50,724 I don't know what she was talking with Meri about. 51 00:02:50,827 --> 00:02:53,172 I think Meri might have been just trying to convince her that living here 52 00:02:53,275 --> 00:02:54,517 was beautiful and great. 53 00:02:54,620 --> 00:02:57,172 Two years ago, we moved to Flagstaff from Las Vegas. 54 00:02:57,275 --> 00:02:58,448 We bought property. 55 00:02:58,551 --> 00:03:00,827 We made plans to build on the property. 56 00:03:00,931 --> 00:03:02,793 And so far, we haven't done any building. 57 00:03:02,896 --> 00:03:06,689 Isn't it obvious that we're not gonna build on the property 58 00:03:06,793 --> 00:03:08,586 to anyone but me? 59 00:03:08,689 --> 00:03:10,965 You don't get to give up like that. 60 00:03:11,068 --> 00:03:13,655 You know, I see value in our family. 61 00:03:13,758 --> 00:03:16,862 I see value in all the relationships. 62 00:03:16,965 --> 00:03:22,931 I know that things don't fix or heal if you walk away. 63 00:03:23,034 --> 00:03:28,620 So when Christine is saying these things to me, um, I recognize the emotion. 64 00:03:28,724 --> 00:03:31,724 I have gone how many years without really having 65 00:03:31,827 --> 00:03:36,000 any relationship with Kody, and I get really fed up with it sometimes. 66 00:03:36,103 --> 00:03:38,931 [Meri] You didn't put 30 years into this, 25, 28, 67 00:03:39,034 --> 00:03:41,172 wherever you are, to walk away. 68 00:03:41,275 --> 00:03:43,517 I didn't put 30 years in to walk away. 69 00:03:43,620 --> 00:03:45,241 [Kody] So Meri and I haven't even been in a full marriage 70 00:03:45,344 --> 00:03:46,793 for about five years, you know. 71 00:03:46,896 --> 00:03:48,551 She went through a catfishing experience. 72 00:03:48,655 --> 00:03:50,310 I really thought she was gonna leave. 73 00:03:50,413 --> 00:03:53,206 Even our last anniversary, I just kind of made it clear to her that 74 00:03:53,310 --> 00:03:55,517 we probably weren't getting back together in a full marriage. 75 00:03:55,620 --> 00:03:56,931 I mean, I'm not kicking her out. 76 00:03:57,034 --> 00:04:00,448 I'm just letting her know where the relationship with me is at. 77 00:04:00,551 --> 00:04:02,034 [Christine speaking] 78 00:04:03,241 --> 00:04:04,862 'Cause you're hurting. 79 00:04:04,965 --> 00:04:09,137 And when you're hurting, you can't be real with your feelings. 80 00:04:09,241 --> 00:04:14,275 I recognize the feelings, you know, because I've been there. 81 00:04:14,379 --> 00:04:15,448 I am there. 82 00:04:16,758 --> 00:04:18,206 - Okay? - Okay. 83 00:04:21,379 --> 00:04:23,241 I appreciate everything Meri is saying. 84 00:04:23,344 --> 00:04:26,965 I do. She's lived through a lot. 85 00:04:36,482 --> 00:04:40,034 But her relationship with Kody certainly isn't one that I would want. 86 00:04:40,931 --> 00:04:43,931 So did you... did you hear the angels sing again? 87 00:04:44,034 --> 00:04:45,827 - Not today. -[Robyn] Not today? 88 00:04:45,931 --> 00:04:47,586 [Robyn] Christine is upset. 89 00:04:47,689 --> 00:04:48,965 I understand it. 90 00:04:53,275 --> 00:04:54,689 It's scary. 91 00:04:54,793 --> 00:04:59,862 It's been absolutely scary what our family culture is looking like 92 00:04:59,965 --> 00:05:02,344 because we are not spending time together. 93 00:05:02,448 --> 00:05:04,758 I don't know if this is something that fixes itself right away. 94 00:05:04,862 --> 00:05:09,379 So don't be thinking, I'm thinking it's all done and like it's all put... 95 00:05:09,482 --> 00:05:10,586 put to bed or whatever. 96 00:05:10,689 --> 00:05:13,482 I still want to, I want to honor where you are. 97 00:05:13,586 --> 00:05:18,172 We have to get this property, all the property boundaries figured out, though. 98 00:05:18,275 --> 00:05:20,310 That we have to do because we've got to be able to move on that. 99 00:05:20,413 --> 00:05:22,931 -[Christine] Yeah. -[Kody] We don't want to wait any longer. 100 00:05:24,310 --> 00:05:26,586 This whole thing is hard. 101 00:05:26,689 --> 00:05:28,586 It's not just about moving back to Utah. 102 00:05:28,689 --> 00:05:31,034 It's not just about that. 103 00:05:31,137 --> 00:05:34,000 Look, I'm not gonna make any drastic decisions 104 00:05:34,103 --> 00:05:36,896 on what I'm gonna do next today. 105 00:05:37,655 --> 00:05:39,551 I am hurt today. 106 00:05:39,655 --> 00:05:43,482 I think just getting the different lots figured out 107 00:05:43,586 --> 00:05:46,551 will help us to start visualizing better. 108 00:05:46,655 --> 00:05:48,137 -[Meri] That's what I need. -[Robyn] Yeah. 109 00:05:48,241 --> 00:05:53,206 I can't visualize anything because I have no idea where any property lines 110 00:05:53,310 --> 00:05:57,413 or like the best place to build whatever it is we decide to build. 111 00:05:57,517 --> 00:06:00,896 The only thing I can visualize here is a pond. 112 00:06:01,862 --> 00:06:04,034 [Kody] All right. Let's break this up. 113 00:06:05,965 --> 00:06:07,724 [Christine] I really needed his support. 114 00:06:07,827 --> 00:06:09,000 I really did. 115 00:06:14,034 --> 00:06:15,413 Marriage is hard. 116 00:06:15,517 --> 00:06:18,689 But I never wanted the kind of marriage that I have now. 117 00:06:20,551 --> 00:06:26,793 I never wanted to be so estranged and have extremely limited 118 00:06:26,896 --> 00:06:29,931 physical contact, not even handholding. 119 00:06:31,965 --> 00:06:35,379 It's sad. My marriage to Kody is sad. 120 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,931 So Christine went from "Hey, we should move to Utah" 121 00:06:59,034 --> 00:07:03,482 with a great and enthusiastic disposition and in what felt like 122 00:07:03,586 --> 00:07:08,413 five minutes to me turned completely to despondent and, um... 123 00:07:08,517 --> 00:07:10,275 and angry. 124 00:07:10,379 --> 00:07:13,482 I do want to go and visit with every one of those wives who rejected this idea 125 00:07:13,586 --> 00:07:16,000 why is Utah not an option. 126 00:07:16,103 --> 00:07:17,931 Wow, rhubarb is looking really good. 127 00:07:18,034 --> 00:07:19,862 It's actually a green. 128 00:07:19,965 --> 00:07:21,310 It looks like rhubarb, but it's a green. 129 00:07:21,413 --> 00:07:23,172 - Oh, it's... Oh, really? - Yeah, look at the spinach. 130 00:07:23,275 --> 00:07:24,551 It's gone out of control. 131 00:07:24,655 --> 00:07:25,689 That's spinach? 132 00:07:25,793 --> 00:07:27,620 So I have always enjoyed gardening. 133 00:07:27,724 --> 00:07:29,172 It's very therapeutic for me. 134 00:07:29,275 --> 00:07:31,931 But there's a bunch of apples that I need to get before they fall. 135 00:07:32,034 --> 00:07:33,551 Do you think we should be pruning it? 136 00:07:33,655 --> 00:07:34,827 Look at that power line. 137 00:07:34,931 --> 00:07:37,517 Wow, that just looks like a accident waiting to happen. 138 00:07:37,620 --> 00:07:39,172 Okay. So, but look, there's a bunch right up here. 139 00:07:39,275 --> 00:07:40,379 [Kody] Okay. 140 00:07:40,482 --> 00:07:41,931 All right, I'll go grab the ladder. 141 00:07:42,034 --> 00:07:43,517 [Janelle] So I want to grow produce. 142 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:45,482 Maybe someday I'll have a farm to table restaurant. 143 00:07:45,586 --> 00:07:47,758 Who knows? Like, I have these big plans, right? 144 00:07:47,862 --> 00:07:51,965 Yeah. So I've got to talk to you about our last visit on Coyote Pass. 145 00:07:52,068 --> 00:07:53,655 This is like an area that I grew up in. 146 00:07:53,758 --> 00:07:55,344 I flourish in this space. 147 00:07:55,448 --> 00:07:57,586 - You like it here? - I do. 148 00:07:57,689 --> 00:08:00,344 Christine was pretty emotional when she was talking to us about going back to Utah. 149 00:08:00,448 --> 00:08:02,379 It's something that's really important to her. 150 00:08:02,482 --> 00:08:06,137 Usually, when a wife cares about something to that degree, 151 00:08:06,241 --> 00:08:11,448 Kody's gonna do a deep dive as to how everybody really feels just to make sure 152 00:08:11,551 --> 00:08:14,379 that everybody is being heard and listened to. 153 00:08:14,482 --> 00:08:16,034 And this is a-- this is major. 154 00:08:16,137 --> 00:08:18,724 She was very passionate about moving back. 155 00:08:18,827 --> 00:08:21,448 Christine started going, "Hey, I want to move." 156 00:08:21,551 --> 00:08:24,241 As soon as that law changed, she was like, "I want to move back to Utah." 157 00:08:25,344 --> 00:08:26,827 Would you be just as happy? 158 00:08:26,931 --> 00:08:28,931 Could you be just as happy in Utah? 159 00:08:29,034 --> 00:08:30,344 I'm just... 160 00:08:30,448 --> 00:08:32,034 - Okay, no. - I'm not trying to sell you on this. 161 00:08:32,137 --> 00:08:33,862 - I'm just trying to just-- - No, I'm really not. 162 00:08:33,965 --> 00:08:36,379 I mean, at this point, I would just be like, 163 00:08:36,482 --> 00:08:38,689 "You guys give me the property and you can move." 164 00:08:38,793 --> 00:08:40,206 Like, that's how I feel. 165 00:08:40,310 --> 00:08:42,482 You can go be in Utah, do your thing. 166 00:08:42,586 --> 00:08:43,724 I don't care. [chuckles] 167 00:08:44,724 --> 00:08:46,275 [director speaking] 168 00:08:46,379 --> 00:08:47,620 Yeah, I would stay. 169 00:08:47,724 --> 00:08:49,103 You would really leave this? 170 00:08:49,206 --> 00:08:50,896 [Kody] So this is the discussion I've had with Christine. 171 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,896 I'm totally interested in living in St. George area. 172 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,655 -[Janelle] Mmm-hmm. - Doesn't have to be St. George. 173 00:08:55,758 --> 00:08:59,448 I'm suspicious that Robyn would be okay with that in some ways 174 00:08:59,551 --> 00:09:01,827 because her family lives there. 175 00:09:01,931 --> 00:09:03,206 Okay. I still don't want to go. 176 00:09:03,310 --> 00:09:04,551 -[Kody] Okay. - I really don't. 177 00:09:04,655 --> 00:09:06,586 I would really be like, "You guys leave me here." 178 00:09:06,689 --> 00:09:10,241 I've had three of these four women threaten to leave me 179 00:09:10,344 --> 00:09:12,965 for a significant part of the marriages. 180 00:09:13,068 --> 00:09:15,448 She's bluffing completely. 181 00:09:15,551 --> 00:09:19,172 But it's not a new thing to be threatened to be left. 182 00:09:19,275 --> 00:09:20,586 Well, I'm gonna check with everybody. 183 00:09:20,689 --> 00:09:22,137 And your vote is just absolute no. 184 00:09:22,241 --> 00:09:24,517 I hope it's not a vote. I hope we're staying here. 185 00:09:24,620 --> 00:09:26,344 Well, I... I'm just... 186 00:09:26,448 --> 00:09:28,965 Listen, we got Christine literally melting down because she doesn't want to live here. 187 00:09:29,068 --> 00:09:30,448 She wants to live in Utah. 188 00:09:30,551 --> 00:09:33,241 It sounds like, obviously, he's trying to make the case for Utah, 189 00:09:33,344 --> 00:09:34,655 but then he brings up Christine. 190 00:09:34,758 --> 00:09:36,827 And I'm like, "Okay, so are you really just trying to make sure 191 00:09:36,931 --> 00:09:39,620 Christine is heard and that you're checking everybody's temperature?" 192 00:09:39,724 --> 00:09:41,206 I mean, that's what you want, right? 193 00:09:41,310 --> 00:09:44,068 You're not telling me that we're taking a vote again about going to Utah. 194 00:09:44,172 --> 00:09:46,000 You're just trying to take everybody's temperature to see 195 00:09:46,103 --> 00:09:47,896 if anyone's in the same boat as Christine. 196 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,413 I'm not trying to put a wrench in our plans, 197 00:09:49,517 --> 00:09:51,517 but then I have to consider the whole big picture. 198 00:09:51,620 --> 00:09:57,241 We moved here for my sake because I wanted you guys to get... 199 00:09:57,344 --> 00:09:59,586 I wanted to get the family out of Las Vegas. 200 00:09:59,689 --> 00:10:01,689 And we all bought off on it. Even Christine. 201 00:10:01,793 --> 00:10:03,241 Like, we all bought off on it. 202 00:10:03,344 --> 00:10:04,482 Like, we all did. 203 00:10:04,586 --> 00:10:05,655 She's not kidding around. 204 00:10:05,758 --> 00:10:08,344 She's not-- She's not going back and forth. 205 00:10:08,448 --> 00:10:09,724 She's like, "I don't want to live here." 206 00:10:09,827 --> 00:10:11,655 This isn't home to me. 207 00:10:11,758 --> 00:10:12,827 Utah is home. 208 00:10:12,931 --> 00:10:14,379 No, there's nothing for me there. 209 00:10:14,482 --> 00:10:16,379 - All right. - Just want to know where you're really at. 210 00:10:16,482 --> 00:10:17,896 [Janelle] I know you're just checking. I know. 211 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,655 I'm just... I'm just... 212 00:10:19,758 --> 00:10:25,862 I'm just trying to get us all to, essentially, just say here's the baseline and... 213 00:10:25,965 --> 00:10:28,793 -[Janelle] Okay. -...and here or this doesn't work. 214 00:10:28,896 --> 00:10:30,241 - I just want to know... - I just, I-- 215 00:10:30,344 --> 00:10:32,206 [Kody] 'Cause I feel like I just blew her out of the water. 216 00:10:32,310 --> 00:10:33,931 I was just like, "This is it." Are you kidding me? 217 00:10:34,034 --> 00:10:35,793 [Janelle] I get it. And I appreciate because she was... 218 00:10:35,896 --> 00:10:37,206 I felt really bad 'cause I could tell that 219 00:10:37,310 --> 00:10:38,689 it was really emotionally important to her. 220 00:10:38,793 --> 00:10:40,103 And plus, I want to move there. 221 00:10:40,206 --> 00:10:41,827 -[Janelle] Okay. - I mean, I've never... 222 00:10:41,931 --> 00:10:44,482 I've never lost that sort of desire, but I'm not... 223 00:10:44,586 --> 00:10:49,068 I'm not moving the family because of where I want to live. 224 00:10:49,172 --> 00:10:53,965 But, you know, right now, so far, it's just Christine and Janelle and me 225 00:10:54,068 --> 00:10:58,379 more or less going, "I would love living in Utah, but I don't want to move." 226 00:10:58,482 --> 00:11:00,310 So it's kind of an either or for me. 227 00:11:00,413 --> 00:11:04,379 Ultimately, what's happening in my life now as this unfolds 228 00:11:04,482 --> 00:11:07,172 is two princesses given ultimatums. 229 00:11:09,586 --> 00:11:12,310 So because of COVID-19, for a few months now, 230 00:11:12,413 --> 00:11:14,827 we've been practicing COVID protocols. 231 00:11:14,931 --> 00:11:17,103 It would be nice if we could figure out when, at what point 232 00:11:17,206 --> 00:11:18,517 we could be okay. 233 00:11:18,620 --> 00:11:19,793 It's not gonna go away. 234 00:11:19,896 --> 00:11:21,379 [exhales sharply] 235 00:11:21,482 --> 00:11:23,517 Like, I don't really want to do Christmas via Zoom with you guys. Sorry. 236 00:11:23,620 --> 00:11:25,896 I-- I just don't see that we're getting together. 237 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:26,931 Wow. 238 00:11:35,448 --> 00:11:37,241 [line ringing] 239 00:11:37,344 --> 00:11:38,655 [Christine] Hey, Janelle. 240 00:11:38,758 --> 00:11:40,241 Hey, Meri and I are here. Should we just come around the back? 241 00:11:40,344 --> 00:11:41,655 [Christine] Yeah, I'm in the back. 242 00:11:41,758 --> 00:11:43,551 Today, all the adults are coming over. 243 00:11:43,655 --> 00:11:46,310 It's been a couple of weeks since the last time we got together 244 00:11:46,413 --> 00:11:47,620 out of the property. 245 00:11:47,724 --> 00:11:49,000 I did melt down. 246 00:11:49,103 --> 00:11:50,931 It was a very difficult day. 247 00:11:51,034 --> 00:11:53,931 I found out that no one really wants to move back to Utah anyway. 248 00:11:54,034 --> 00:11:57,000 Okay, so then the $64 million question or whatever. 249 00:11:57,103 --> 00:11:58,344 Do you have chairs already? 250 00:11:58,448 --> 00:11:59,551 -[Christine] Yeah. - Oh, awesome. 251 00:11:59,655 --> 00:12:01,689 [Christine] They might be six feet apart. 252 00:12:01,793 --> 00:12:03,344 -I don't know. - Okay, yeah. [chuckles] 253 00:12:03,448 --> 00:12:06,103 I just need to put on a brave face and be as enthusiastic 254 00:12:06,206 --> 00:12:09,310 as possible 'cause this is where we're going to end up. 255 00:12:09,413 --> 00:12:10,344 Hey, there! 256 00:12:10,448 --> 00:12:13,517 Hi. I love your shirt! [in sing-song voice] 257 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:15,689 Pretend. That's the word I'm looking for. 258 00:12:15,793 --> 00:12:17,000 I have to pretend. 259 00:12:17,103 --> 00:12:18,275 Should I put my mask on. 260 00:12:18,379 --> 00:12:19,896 -[chuckles] - I don't know. 261 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,241 So because of COVID-19, for a few months now, 262 00:12:22,344 --> 00:12:24,827 we've been practicing COVID protocols. 263 00:12:24,931 --> 00:12:26,931 From the beginning, we considered that 264 00:12:27,034 --> 00:12:28,689 we could all completely sequester 265 00:12:28,793 --> 00:12:32,137 from the rest of the world so that the family could interact. 266 00:12:32,241 --> 00:12:36,896 But what happened ended up being that we decided that I would be the one 267 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,965 that would move from house to house because nobody wanted to have to essentially 268 00:12:42,068 --> 00:12:44,862 quarantine from the rest of the world that much. 269 00:12:44,965 --> 00:12:46,620 Who called this party? 270 00:12:46,724 --> 00:12:53,551 This party is a result of my low-grade anxiety the COVID's giving me. 271 00:12:53,655 --> 00:12:55,724 The one thing I've been wanting to keep from happening 272 00:12:55,827 --> 00:12:59,586 is have the virus go through our family like a wildfire. 273 00:12:59,689 --> 00:13:03,965 But we've kind of gotten to a place where not everybody is in agreement. 274 00:13:04,068 --> 00:13:05,689 Christine has done some traveling. 275 00:13:05,793 --> 00:13:09,862 It's also led to Janelle's boys having social lives. 276 00:13:09,965 --> 00:13:12,793 And it's kept me from being at Janelle's house as much. 277 00:13:12,896 --> 00:13:14,758 So it feels very separate. 278 00:13:14,862 --> 00:13:16,551 It feels very separated. 279 00:13:16,655 --> 00:13:18,344 So it's a lousy way to spend the summer, 280 00:13:18,448 --> 00:13:20,068 everybody far apart from each other. 281 00:13:20,172 --> 00:13:24,275 I can't say that Kody never comes over right now during COVID. 282 00:13:24,379 --> 00:13:28,413 But it's very, very rare that he comes over. 283 00:13:28,517 --> 00:13:30,137 It would be nice if we could figure out when, 284 00:13:30,241 --> 00:13:32,034 at what point we could be okay. 285 00:13:32,137 --> 00:13:33,344 It's not gonna go away. 286 00:13:33,448 --> 00:13:34,896 [exhales sharply] 287 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,137 I don't think it's gonna go completely away for like until next spring. 288 00:13:38,241 --> 00:13:40,344 I'll probably go to North Carolina for Christmas 289 00:13:40,448 --> 00:13:42,137 if we have to do Zoom Christmas. Sorry, guys. 290 00:13:42,241 --> 00:13:44,931 Well, hopefully, it'll blow over by Christmas. 291 00:13:45,034 --> 00:13:47,551 [Kody] It's like they're constantly denying 292 00:13:47,655 --> 00:13:50,172 that anything could happen. 293 00:13:50,275 --> 00:13:54,034 You know, there's the [bleep] who goes and does whatever they want 294 00:13:54,137 --> 00:13:55,827 and gets everybody sick. 295 00:13:55,931 --> 00:13:57,931 And that even happens in flu and cold season. 296 00:13:58,034 --> 00:14:03,620 I've had somebody give me an illness that went through the whole family 297 00:14:03,724 --> 00:14:05,482 from a flippin' handshake. 298 00:14:05,586 --> 00:14:08,275 Let's... let's cross that bridge when we come to it. 299 00:14:08,379 --> 00:14:10,275 But we're still dealing with... 300 00:14:10,379 --> 00:14:13,586 right now, with a situation that hasn't improved. 301 00:14:13,689 --> 00:14:17,758 [Kody] And I think that some of this is right on the mother's heads 302 00:14:17,862 --> 00:14:21,965 because Gabriel is constantly blaming me. 303 00:14:22,068 --> 00:14:26,103 Garrison is calling me and saying, "This is stupid." 304 00:14:26,206 --> 00:14:30,068 I can only assume that Janelle, under her breath, 305 00:14:30,172 --> 00:14:32,172 is saying that about me. 306 00:14:32,275 --> 00:14:36,793 I'm like, "Are we really gonna make decisions about Christmas now, though?" 307 00:14:36,896 --> 00:14:38,862 I can't tell you guys what to do. 308 00:14:38,965 --> 00:14:41,206 I can decide what I'm gonna do. 309 00:14:41,310 --> 00:14:45,724 And if the family wants to get together, they can figure it out too. 310 00:14:45,827 --> 00:14:49,965 We could have, right from the beginning, just said, "Everybody, just stay home. 311 00:14:50,068 --> 00:14:51,551 We'll wait this out." 312 00:14:51,655 --> 00:14:54,275 But I've got one kid doing this and another kid doing this 313 00:14:54,379 --> 00:14:56,551 and another person traveling, another person traveling. 314 00:14:56,655 --> 00:14:59,482 I just don't see that we're getting together. 315 00:14:59,586 --> 00:15:02,275 So for how long, though, like through Christmas, through like... 316 00:15:02,379 --> 00:15:05,137 [Kody] Well, I don't know how long the virus is gonna last. 317 00:15:05,241 --> 00:15:07,482 But I'm not gonna have a big Christmas gathering. 318 00:15:07,758 --> 00:15:09,241 Wow. 319 00:15:09,344 --> 00:15:14,482 So basically, unless we all observe his uber, uber, uber careful stance, 320 00:15:15,206 --> 00:15:16,275 forget holidays. 321 00:15:16,379 --> 00:15:17,482 I don't know. 322 00:15:17,586 --> 00:15:19,620 I guess there's really just nothing to say but wow. 323 00:15:19,724 --> 00:15:22,413 I have to be really careful here because I think we all have really... 324 00:15:22,517 --> 00:15:25,206 and I'm trying to respect everybody's place, but I need you to be 325 00:15:25,310 --> 00:15:26,793 somewhat respectful of my place, too. 326 00:15:26,896 --> 00:15:28,413 [Kody] Yeah, I understand, but... 327 00:15:29,034 --> 00:15:30,724 [sighs] 328 00:15:30,827 --> 00:15:33,551 He's trying to push on me and push on me and push on me. 329 00:15:33,655 --> 00:15:35,275 There's no optimism. 330 00:15:35,379 --> 00:15:37,137 It's like doomsday. 331 00:15:37,241 --> 00:15:39,379 But I've got kids calling all the time saying, 332 00:15:39,482 --> 00:15:41,344 "Dad, when can we all get back together?" 333 00:15:41,448 --> 00:15:42,655 I know. The kids are all saying... 334 00:15:42,758 --> 00:15:45,551 Hunter said, "This is the only time in my entire career 335 00:15:45,655 --> 00:15:47,586 that I will have been home this long. 336 00:15:47,689 --> 00:15:50,862 And I haven't even seen Robyn's kids or Robyn's family." 337 00:15:50,965 --> 00:15:53,896 To be honest, I mean, like Janelle's saying this about Hunter, 338 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,551 and I'm just like, well, he hasn't asked to come over and visit outside. 339 00:15:57,655 --> 00:16:01,724 So if he wanted to come over and we just sit outside, socially distance, 340 00:16:01,827 --> 00:16:03,620 I'd be like, "Yeah, bring it on. 341 00:16:03,724 --> 00:16:04,965 That'd be great." 342 00:16:05,068 --> 00:16:07,551 I hate that we're having to social distance from each other, 343 00:16:07,655 --> 00:16:11,517 but I understand that everybody's got different things they want to do. 344 00:16:11,620 --> 00:16:13,172 And so I guess that's what we're doing. 345 00:16:13,275 --> 00:16:17,793 But I just feel like, you know I tell the kids all the time, we're just lucky 346 00:16:17,896 --> 00:16:20,275 because there's so many people out there that are suffering right now. 347 00:16:20,379 --> 00:16:21,655 We're still a family. 348 00:16:21,758 --> 00:16:23,241 That's never gonna change. 349 00:16:23,344 --> 00:16:25,137 [Robyn] The relationships are struggling. 350 00:16:25,241 --> 00:16:27,068 My relationship with Kody is struggling 351 00:16:27,172 --> 00:16:29,000 because he's not seeing his family as much. 352 00:16:29,103 --> 00:16:31,206 I feel very helpless here. 353 00:16:31,310 --> 00:16:34,862 Everybody has... has their opinion about what we should be doing. 354 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,275 And so everybody can just do what they want to do. 355 00:16:40,344 --> 00:16:44,793 I've got to reassess what I'm doing here because I do not feel like 356 00:16:44,896 --> 00:16:47,206 I've made any traction or any progress. 357 00:16:47,310 --> 00:16:51,068 I feel like the family that we need to, like, do some planning, 358 00:16:51,172 --> 00:16:52,620 do something hopeful. 359 00:16:52,724 --> 00:16:57,551 So I'm trying to get a surveyor to meet with us and sort of consult us 360 00:16:57,655 --> 00:16:59,689 about reconfiguring the property. 361 00:16:59,793 --> 00:17:04,103 And by doing that, might get our family focused back on the dream 362 00:17:04,206 --> 00:17:07,413 and the hope of getting on that property and sort of take away 363 00:17:07,517 --> 00:17:10,517 some of these woes that we're experiencing with COVID-19. 364 00:17:13,413 --> 00:17:17,965 Christine, the talk we had on the property, I'm not trying to be pushy. 365 00:17:18,068 --> 00:17:19,448 Okay. 366 00:17:19,551 --> 00:17:22,034 She really wants to move to Utah. 367 00:17:22,137 --> 00:17:23,862 I wish we could just settle down. 368 00:17:23,965 --> 00:17:25,862 Like, we're here, we're in Flagstaff. 369 00:17:25,965 --> 00:17:27,344 It's beautiful. 370 00:17:27,448 --> 00:17:31,275 Like, you guys are okay moving all the time constantly, I guess. 371 00:17:31,379 --> 00:17:32,655 No, I'm really not. 372 00:17:32,758 --> 00:17:34,344 Like, I'm so frustrated that we're constantly bringing up, 373 00:17:34,448 --> 00:17:38,103 where should we go? I'm like, "We got to find a place and make it home." 374 00:17:47,620 --> 00:17:51,310 [Kody] Because of Christine's reaction to our rejection of the idea 375 00:17:51,413 --> 00:17:54,310 of moving back to Utah when she pitched it on Coyote Pass, 376 00:17:54,413 --> 00:17:57,137 I kind of felt like it was necessary for me to really dig down 377 00:17:57,241 --> 00:17:59,379 a little deeper with each wife. 378 00:17:59,482 --> 00:18:01,103 I've already had that conversation with Janelle. 379 00:18:01,206 --> 00:18:03,275 And now I'm gonna go over to Robyn's. 380 00:18:04,275 --> 00:18:06,620 Right now, the vote is just two to one. 381 00:18:06,724 --> 00:18:08,000 Me and Janelle. 382 00:18:08,103 --> 00:18:09,827 Janelle has certainly strengthened my spine in the idea 383 00:18:09,931 --> 00:18:12,068 that we need to stay here in Flagstaff. 384 00:18:12,172 --> 00:18:13,655 -[Robyn] Hey. - Hi. 385 00:18:13,758 --> 00:18:18,034 I hate looking at it that way because that separates us from Christine. 386 00:18:19,448 --> 00:18:23,206 We have certainly got to get our anchors dug into Flagstaff 387 00:18:23,310 --> 00:18:28,000 or Christine's heart's desire will continue to push us to move to Utah. 388 00:18:28,103 --> 00:18:30,413 Okay. The reason I wanted to come and talk with you is just because of... 389 00:18:30,517 --> 00:18:31,517 Yeah. 390 00:18:31,620 --> 00:18:34,068 ...Christine, the talk we had on the property. 391 00:18:34,172 --> 00:18:38,241 - Okay. -[Kody] And so I'm not trying to be pushy. 392 00:18:39,517 --> 00:18:40,758 -[clears throat] - Okay. 393 00:18:40,862 --> 00:18:44,931 I wanted to check everybody's temperature on it in private 394 00:18:45,034 --> 00:18:48,827 because I think the reason she's bringing it up is 'cause she's like, 395 00:18:48,931 --> 00:18:50,137 "I don't want to build on the property 396 00:18:50,241 --> 00:18:51,655 'cause I want to move to Utah." 397 00:18:51,758 --> 00:18:54,965 So why don't we figure this out before we build on the property? 398 00:18:55,068 --> 00:18:58,620 Okay, so when Christine talked to us on the property, I kind of thought 399 00:18:58,724 --> 00:19:00,137 it was just kind of a concept. 400 00:19:00,241 --> 00:19:03,482 It was an idea like, "Hey, what do you guys think?" 401 00:19:03,586 --> 00:19:05,965 And now it sounds like it's a... 402 00:19:06,068 --> 00:19:07,724 it's just not going away. 403 00:19:07,827 --> 00:19:11,103 This is... this is so frustrating that we're... 404 00:19:11,206 --> 00:19:12,724 that this is like a... 405 00:19:12,827 --> 00:19:14,206 a question. 406 00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:16,241 I mean, we just got here to Flagstaff. 407 00:19:16,344 --> 00:19:18,379 And I've invested myself here. 408 00:19:19,827 --> 00:19:22,689 [Robyn] I would love to move back to Utah too. 409 00:19:22,793 --> 00:19:26,551 But I made it really clear once we moved here, 410 00:19:26,655 --> 00:19:29,586 like, I'm not interested in being a transient family. 411 00:19:29,689 --> 00:19:33,000 My kids are very happy here in Flagstaff. 412 00:19:33,103 --> 00:19:35,344 I want to make it work. 413 00:19:35,448 --> 00:19:37,034 This is what I want to do. 414 00:19:37,137 --> 00:19:38,103 This... 415 00:19:38,206 --> 00:19:41,344 this carrot is being dangled in front of me. 416 00:19:41,448 --> 00:19:43,862 And it's very, very hard for me 'cause I have... 417 00:19:43,965 --> 00:19:46,034 My dad and my mom live in St. George. 418 00:19:46,137 --> 00:19:50,172 I don't feel like I really have a choice to move to Utah 419 00:19:50,275 --> 00:19:55,551 because of what people in Utah will treat our family like. 420 00:19:55,655 --> 00:19:57,896 You know, I was raised in a plural family. 421 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,206 My father has two wives. 422 00:19:59,310 --> 00:20:00,724 And I have eight siblings. 423 00:20:00,827 --> 00:20:03,965 I worried a lot about being bullied and people treating us like trash 424 00:20:04,068 --> 00:20:09,034 if I told anybody about what my family structure and my religion was. 425 00:20:09,137 --> 00:20:10,448 I kept to myself. 426 00:20:10,551 --> 00:20:11,965 I didn't try out for clubs. 427 00:20:12,068 --> 00:20:13,413 I didn't go to sports. 428 00:20:13,517 --> 00:20:18,448 My future was altered completely by the fact that I was scared. 429 00:20:18,551 --> 00:20:20,068 I mean, I could have been a very different person. 430 00:20:20,517 --> 00:20:21,931 [sighs wearily] 431 00:20:22,034 --> 00:20:25,344 I was afraid of people finding out about my family. 432 00:20:25,448 --> 00:20:28,000 I just keep thinking that normal people in Utah... 433 00:20:28,103 --> 00:20:31,931 -[Robyn] Mmm-hmm. -...sort of see us separate from those other Polygamists. 434 00:20:32,034 --> 00:20:33,137 [Robyn] They may or may not. 435 00:20:33,241 --> 00:20:34,896 It depends on whether or not they know our story. 436 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,344 They're just thinking we're just a polygamist family. 437 00:20:37,448 --> 00:20:38,862 And what do they know about polygamy? 438 00:20:38,965 --> 00:20:42,172 Child brides, welfare fraud, abuse. 439 00:20:42,275 --> 00:20:43,620 That's what they know. 440 00:20:43,724 --> 00:20:45,068 My kids will be the ones... 441 00:20:45,172 --> 00:20:46,862 our kids, our kids will be the one that 442 00:20:46,965 --> 00:20:49,793 is put on the chopping block, the altar. 443 00:20:51,620 --> 00:20:52,655 Okay. 444 00:20:52,758 --> 00:20:54,344 I wish we could just settle down. 445 00:20:54,448 --> 00:20:56,655 Like, we're here, we're in Flagstaff, 446 00:20:56,758 --> 00:21:00,068 it's beautiful like you guys are okay 447 00:21:00,172 --> 00:21:02,000 moving all the time constantly, I guess. 448 00:21:02,103 --> 00:21:03,310 No, I'm really not. 449 00:21:03,413 --> 00:21:04,896 Like, I'm so frustrated that we're constantly bringing up, 450 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,068 "Where should we go?" 451 00:21:06,172 --> 00:21:08,172 I'm like, "We got to find a place and make it home." 452 00:21:08,275 --> 00:21:10,689 No, no. No. I'm okay. 453 00:21:10,793 --> 00:21:13,793 I want you to understand. I mean, Christine brought this up. 454 00:21:13,896 --> 00:21:15,655 - I wanted to be more fair with her. - And I validate it. 455 00:21:15,758 --> 00:21:17,034 I really validate it. I get it. 456 00:21:17,137 --> 00:21:19,103 And it was where I always wanted to move in the first place. 457 00:21:19,206 --> 00:21:20,586 I really get... 458 00:21:20,689 --> 00:21:24,310 I really validate and get why she wants to 'cause I want to, too, 459 00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:27,379 but I cannot indulge that... 460 00:21:28,551 --> 00:21:30,482 - that desire, I just can't. - Okay. 461 00:21:30,586 --> 00:21:32,517 It's not just my kids that we're considering. 462 00:21:32,620 --> 00:21:34,724 We're also considering Christine's youngest. 463 00:21:34,827 --> 00:21:37,241 And we're considering Janelle's youngest kids. 464 00:21:37,344 --> 00:21:40,551 And it's like that is not fair to them. 465 00:21:40,655 --> 00:21:47,206 If I can get verification that Meri is in the same place which I'm assuming. 466 00:21:47,310 --> 00:21:49,793 I want to be able to go to Christine saying, 467 00:21:49,896 --> 00:21:51,758 "I talked to these other ladies. 468 00:21:51,862 --> 00:21:53,275 And I'm sorry, but--" 469 00:21:53,379 --> 00:21:58,689 Maybe you shouldn't say it like that because it is hard sometimes 470 00:21:58,793 --> 00:22:01,068 that you're outvoted. I hate that. 471 00:22:01,172 --> 00:22:02,689 It's part of our family structure. 472 00:22:02,793 --> 00:22:03,931 It has to be that way. 473 00:22:04,034 --> 00:22:05,103 It's the only way that it's fair. 474 00:22:05,206 --> 00:22:08,758 But maybe it shouldn't be that we are saying this. 475 00:22:08,862 --> 00:22:11,068 Maybe there's something you need to figure out a way 476 00:22:11,172 --> 00:22:12,896 - to say it to her without... - Right. 477 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,862 Making it about her sister wives voting against what she wants. 478 00:22:16,965 --> 00:22:18,344 - Okay. Okay. -[Robyn] 'Cause I don't... 479 00:22:18,448 --> 00:22:19,862 I'd have a hard time with that. 480 00:22:19,965 --> 00:22:24,000 I'd be like, "Wow, my whole life is being controlled by, you know--" 481 00:22:24,103 --> 00:22:25,793 That's kind of the game we're in. 482 00:22:25,896 --> 00:22:29,896 Yeah. Our family has always done the majority rules. 483 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,206 And sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. 484 00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:35,206 [Meri] I think that that's probably the best way to do it. 485 00:22:35,310 --> 00:22:38,620 You know, it's not like we can just take turns between the five of us. 486 00:22:38,724 --> 00:22:40,965 "Okay, this time, whatever you say goes. 487 00:22:41,068 --> 00:22:42,896 This time, whatever you say goes." 488 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,689 Usually I'm like, "Well, you guys do whatever you want. 489 00:22:44,793 --> 00:22:46,034 I'm gonna do what I want." 490 00:22:46,137 --> 00:22:47,689 Yeah, but it's like if you're not in a close relationship 491 00:22:47,793 --> 00:22:50,689 with a sister wife and she didn't vote for what you wanted, 492 00:22:50,793 --> 00:22:52,413 - that's not easy. -[Kody] Ooh, ooh. I understand. 493 00:22:52,517 --> 00:22:53,931 Thank you for the tip. 494 00:22:54,034 --> 00:22:56,137 And I know she's agreed to this, and I know this is what we live, 495 00:22:56,241 --> 00:22:58,137 and I know this is how we do it, and I get all that. 496 00:22:58,241 --> 00:23:03,482 But it's still the emotional aspect of it is hard to swallow sometimes. 497 00:23:03,586 --> 00:23:04,896 I want to tell you that I've heard you. 498 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,724 -[Robyn] Okay. - Okay? 499 00:23:06,827 --> 00:23:09,793 It's just a real clear reality. 500 00:23:09,896 --> 00:23:12,206 You've communicated very clearly and very well. 501 00:23:12,689 --> 00:23:14,310 Yeah. 502 00:23:14,413 --> 00:23:17,689 [Kody] I got to admit, all this discussion with my wives, 503 00:23:17,793 --> 00:23:23,068 I'm still really surprised that Christine was so rocked, that her world was rocked 504 00:23:23,172 --> 00:23:25,931 by this idea that we're not moving back to Utah. 505 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,448 -[Robyn] Love you. - I love you. 506 00:23:28,551 --> 00:23:29,965 [Kody] I guess what I'm doing is I'm... 507 00:23:30,068 --> 00:23:33,172 I'm getting their sort of for sure place, where their positives 508 00:23:33,275 --> 00:23:38,379 are at so I can go back to Christine and maybe gently, 509 00:23:38,482 --> 00:23:43,931 kindly validate what she's been thinking and what she wants to do 510 00:23:44,034 --> 00:23:47,482 but without having to make a change. 511 00:23:51,275 --> 00:23:52,448 Mike, how are you? 512 00:23:52,551 --> 00:23:54,137 -[Mike] Good. How about you, Kody? -[Kody] Very good. 513 00:23:54,241 --> 00:23:57,931 Mike is going to basicallyreconfigure the Coyote Pass property. 514 00:23:58,034 --> 00:24:00,000 And so I want to make five lots. 515 00:24:00,103 --> 00:24:02,586 I'm keeping myself. I'm keeping one for me. 516 00:24:02,689 --> 00:24:05,655 I haven't really discussed this with my wives, necessarily. 517 00:24:05,758 --> 00:24:07,172 Whoa, what? [chuckles] 518 00:24:07,275 --> 00:24:10,137 [Kody] I don't think it's weird that I have a lot myself. 519 00:24:10,241 --> 00:24:11,620 Why would that be weird? 520 00:24:11,724 --> 00:24:14,551 I was loving the idea of a house right there, but it sounds like 521 00:24:14,655 --> 00:24:16,000 that's not happening anymore. 522 00:24:16,103 --> 00:24:18,551 They just want some power over the decision or something. 523 00:24:18,655 --> 00:24:21,862 I'm just going to walk away from this conversation entirely. 524 00:24:32,793 --> 00:24:35,896 We're gonna all finally meet at the property today. 525 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,827 Kody has finally made the phone call I've been asking him to make for, 526 00:24:39,931 --> 00:24:42,724 like, I don't know, a year and a half, two years, 527 00:24:42,827 --> 00:24:45,448 to get a surveyor out to the property. 528 00:24:45,551 --> 00:24:48,068 I'm just a little bit of a rollercoaster ride myself. 529 00:24:48,172 --> 00:24:51,517 And I'm trying really hard to be positive. 530 00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:53,827 And sometimes I'm more positive than others. 531 00:24:53,931 --> 00:24:55,137 [Kody] Mike, how are you? 532 00:24:55,241 --> 00:24:56,793 -[Mike] Good. How about you, Kody? -[Kody] Very good. 533 00:24:56,896 --> 00:24:59,206 - Mike, you and I've met. -[Mike] Yes. 534 00:24:59,310 --> 00:25:01,206 -[Kody] So this is my wife Robyn. - Hi, Robyn. 535 00:25:01,310 --> 00:25:02,689 -[Kody] This is my wife Christine. -[Mike] Christine. 536 00:25:02,793 --> 00:25:03,931 -[Kody] My wife Meri. -[Mike] Meri. 537 00:25:04,034 --> 00:25:05,862 - And my wife Janelle. -[Mike] Janelle. Gotcha. 538 00:25:05,965 --> 00:25:07,827 [Janelle] Hey. And yeah, you know there's gonna be a quiz. 539 00:25:07,931 --> 00:25:09,655 I hope I can remember 'em all. [chuckles softly] 540 00:25:09,758 --> 00:25:12,206 Yeah, I always wonder what the person is thinking 541 00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:14,413 when they get us introduced to them. 542 00:25:14,517 --> 00:25:15,655 It's none of my business. 543 00:25:17,827 --> 00:25:20,413 Any time Kody calls me a wife, I'm good with that. 544 00:25:20,517 --> 00:25:22,344 Let's act as such. 545 00:25:22,448 --> 00:25:25,862 And then maybe things will get to be as such. 546 00:25:27,103 --> 00:25:29,448 Maybe from a distance, we can all see what... 547 00:25:29,551 --> 00:25:31,655 - Sure. -...what you've got to show us. 548 00:25:31,758 --> 00:25:35,482 Mike is going to basically go through the ideas with us 549 00:25:35,586 --> 00:25:38,379 of how we would reconfigure the Coyote Pass property. 550 00:25:38,482 --> 00:25:40,827 I don't like the lot arrangement currently. 551 00:25:40,931 --> 00:25:44,344 We've basically got four lots, and they're not quite in the position 552 00:25:44,448 --> 00:25:46,034 we really want them. 553 00:25:46,137 --> 00:25:48,000 And so I want to make five lots. 554 00:25:48,103 --> 00:25:49,379 I'm keeping one for me. 555 00:25:49,482 --> 00:25:52,896 I'm not gonna have the four wives owning that fifth lot 556 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,206 when I don't even own one. 557 00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:56,586 So I'm just gonna have the fifth lot. It's that simple. 558 00:25:56,689 --> 00:26:00,793 I've had a couple of ideas for what works right now and what works in the future, 559 00:26:00,896 --> 00:26:03,620 and I haven't really discussed this with my wives necessarily. 560 00:26:03,724 --> 00:26:05,344 [Mike] Gotcha. 561 00:26:05,448 --> 00:26:06,965 [Christine] The last time that we discussed lots here on the property, 562 00:26:07,068 --> 00:26:09,103 it was not a great discussion. 563 00:26:09,206 --> 00:26:11,551 Kody told me where you guys were all gonna be 564 00:26:11,655 --> 00:26:13,379 and I was going to be back there. 565 00:26:13,482 --> 00:26:14,620 He told me you didn't want that. 566 00:26:14,724 --> 00:26:16,068 [Kody] You said you didn't like it, so... 567 00:26:16,172 --> 00:26:18,482 Quit making up crap of what I say. 568 00:26:18,586 --> 00:26:19,965 It's a delicate dance. 569 00:26:20,068 --> 00:26:20,896 [chuckling] 570 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,413 And Kody's not delicate. 571 00:26:22,517 --> 00:26:25,344 Meri doesn't want to be back here, and so Christine wants... 572 00:26:25,448 --> 00:26:27,034 Which he relayed the conversation wrong. 573 00:26:27,137 --> 00:26:28,482 FYI. 574 00:26:28,586 --> 00:26:30,482 -[Janelle] Can I talk for a second, please? - Sure. Got for it. 575 00:26:30,586 --> 00:26:33,344 It's looks like we're like fighting with each other or felt like it. 576 00:26:33,448 --> 00:26:34,655 And then we weren't really. 577 00:26:34,758 --> 00:26:35,931 Anyway, it's just funny. 578 00:26:36,965 --> 00:26:39,448 I'm just gonna number these. This will be one. 579 00:26:39,551 --> 00:26:41,758 This location will be two. 580 00:26:41,862 --> 00:26:46,482 We have three, four, and five total lots. 581 00:26:46,586 --> 00:26:49,655 The lot that would have the pond would most likely 582 00:26:49,758 --> 00:26:52,620 be my lot for full access for family. 583 00:26:52,724 --> 00:26:54,758 That can be done. That can easily be done. 584 00:26:54,862 --> 00:26:57,862 This is a brand-new configuration than 585 00:26:57,965 --> 00:26:59,931 I've ever heard Kody talk about. 586 00:27:00,034 --> 00:27:03,655 When we talked last about this property, 587 00:27:03,758 --> 00:27:06,310 we were talking about four different lots. 588 00:27:06,413 --> 00:27:08,758 [Kody] If you are all going to own your own house, 589 00:27:08,862 --> 00:27:11,758 why shouldn't I own my own house? 590 00:27:11,862 --> 00:27:15,655 This whole thing that Kody is talking about is a surprise to me. 591 00:27:15,758 --> 00:27:18,344 But I think Kody having his own house is silly. 592 00:27:18,448 --> 00:27:22,413 But I do think that having a fifth home for us 593 00:27:22,517 --> 00:27:25,241 to all to gather at is amazing. 594 00:27:25,344 --> 00:27:26,413 Does that make sense? 595 00:27:26,517 --> 00:27:29,620 [Janelle] Like, honestly, I love my independence. 596 00:27:29,724 --> 00:27:32,206 And when Kody's there for like more than three or four days at my house, 597 00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:34,586 I'm like, "You want to go somewhere?" 598 00:27:34,689 --> 00:27:35,758 [Christine] I think it's stupid, 599 00:27:35,862 --> 00:27:37,551 Kody talking about having his own house. 600 00:27:37,655 --> 00:27:40,689 I guess he's gonna use it for like family gatherings. 601 00:27:40,793 --> 00:27:42,103 I'm like, "What a waste of money." 602 00:27:42,206 --> 00:27:43,413 You guys all good with that so far? 603 00:27:43,517 --> 00:27:46,206 I guess it really depends on where everybody wants to be. 604 00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:48,137 [Janelle] I have some real concerns about the pond. 605 00:27:48,241 --> 00:27:49,275 I always have. 606 00:27:49,379 --> 00:27:51,413 I don't think it should be on anybody's property. 607 00:27:51,517 --> 00:27:54,310 I just don't understand why the pond is a conversation 608 00:27:54,413 --> 00:27:55,344 because we're all family. 609 00:27:55,448 --> 00:27:57,034 We would all have access to it, wouldn't we? 610 00:27:57,137 --> 00:28:01,620 We will always have access, everybody, if this lot got sold to somebody else, 611 00:28:01,724 --> 00:28:05,103 the lot with the pond, you would still have access to the pond. 612 00:28:05,206 --> 00:28:07,827 It sounds like Kody wants the pond or Janelle wants Kody 613 00:28:07,931 --> 00:28:10,586 to have the pond or somebody wants Kody to have the pond. 614 00:28:10,689 --> 00:28:15,689 I am just confused of why the pond is such a topic of conversation. 615 00:28:15,793 --> 00:28:18,448 I'm like, I don't care. Have the pond property. 616 00:28:18,551 --> 00:28:23,034 I'm not gonna go swim in it, probably, 'cause ew! 617 00:28:23,137 --> 00:28:25,827 I mean, I think I've been pretty vocal about that 618 00:28:25,931 --> 00:28:28,172 I want to have greenhouses and I want to have... 619 00:28:29,068 --> 00:28:30,758 I mean, how do we agree on that? 620 00:28:30,862 --> 00:28:32,379 I've got... for the sake of the... 621 00:28:32,482 --> 00:28:37,413 the greenhouse and Janelle being near the greenhouse 622 00:28:37,517 --> 00:28:41,172 and near the growing area, I was gonna have Janelle 623 00:28:41,275 --> 00:28:43,517 basically right along that edge there. 624 00:28:43,620 --> 00:28:44,620 I want to move forward. 625 00:28:44,724 --> 00:28:46,034 I want to be able to put a visual on it. 626 00:28:46,137 --> 00:28:47,344 Now, Robyn has always made it clear, 627 00:28:47,448 --> 00:28:48,931 she doesn't want to be in the trees at all. 628 00:28:49,034 --> 00:28:51,620 And so I would put her on the farthest lot number five. 629 00:28:51,724 --> 00:28:54,965 Christine and Meri, both of them, you know, whether they're in the trees 630 00:28:55,068 --> 00:28:57,827 or out of the trees, we'll give them the option by putting them 631 00:28:57,931 --> 00:28:59,275 in lots two and three. 632 00:28:59,379 --> 00:29:02,655 And I take a lot one because that's the lot that has the pond 633 00:29:02,758 --> 00:29:05,103 and everybody wants access to the pond. 634 00:29:05,206 --> 00:29:08,103 And thus they'd all have access to the pond because it'll be my property. 635 00:29:08,206 --> 00:29:12,517 The conversations that I've heard about where houses want to be, 636 00:29:12,620 --> 00:29:16,689 this does not allow for the houses that some people want some places. 637 00:29:16,793 --> 00:29:21,275 It's the only configuration I can manage to go, "This works." 638 00:29:22,655 --> 00:29:24,137 [Christine] I like where Meri is going with this. 639 00:29:24,241 --> 00:29:26,137 I think when she's saying some people, she means me. 640 00:29:26,241 --> 00:29:27,310 I'm just saying. 641 00:29:27,413 --> 00:29:29,379 This is the first time I'm hearing about it. 642 00:29:29,482 --> 00:29:35,827 And I have to digest it because this changes everything already. 643 00:29:35,931 --> 00:29:41,034 [Meri] I think it's really important as women that we have each other's backs, 644 00:29:41,137 --> 00:29:43,655 and I think there's a lot of times that we don't. 645 00:29:43,758 --> 00:29:46,620 Like, there's a lot that I don't know about Christine. 646 00:29:46,724 --> 00:29:50,241 But I do know that she has said that she wanted this property. 647 00:29:50,344 --> 00:29:54,517 So initially, I was loving the idea of a house right there, 648 00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:56,758 but it sounds like that's not happening anymore. 649 00:29:56,862 --> 00:29:58,344 - Correct. -[Meri] That's what I was saying. 650 00:29:58,448 --> 00:30:01,482 I don't think that from the conversations that I've heard, 651 00:30:01,586 --> 00:30:05,758 this doesn't allow for people to have a house where they wanted it. 652 00:30:05,862 --> 00:30:07,827 [Kody] Janelle has loved gardening all of her life. 653 00:30:07,931 --> 00:30:11,379 Her and I have always talked about the idea of greenhouses. 654 00:30:11,482 --> 00:30:13,517 She's got to be able to have access to water. 655 00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:15,793 She's got to have access to the grow houses. 656 00:30:15,896 --> 00:30:20,517 I think we work that out really easily by basically having those 657 00:30:20,620 --> 00:30:23,068 grow houses on her lot. 658 00:30:23,172 --> 00:30:24,413 -[Meri] That doesn't allow for that. - Right? 659 00:30:24,517 --> 00:30:26,448 'Cause initially I talked about right there. 660 00:30:26,551 --> 00:30:28,206 But I don't think that's gonna happen anymore, is it? 661 00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:31,344 This is just the first I've heard of this. 662 00:30:31,448 --> 00:30:34,862 So apparently, there is no me in polygamy. 663 00:30:34,965 --> 00:30:37,655 What? Did I say that out loud? [laughing] 664 00:30:37,758 --> 00:30:41,482 Basically, we really all have to work together, and I just can't be 665 00:30:41,586 --> 00:30:43,758 looking out for myself only. 666 00:30:43,862 --> 00:30:45,931 And I'm trying really hard to be an adult. 667 00:30:46,034 --> 00:30:48,206 Huh? Polyga-me? 668 00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:50,724 It's just more about having the space so I don't have to walk 669 00:30:50,827 --> 00:30:54,482 ten thousand feet all the time to, you know, 670 00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:56,482 the greenhouses or whatever I have. 671 00:30:56,586 --> 00:31:00,310 So I want to be really, really careful here because, yes, the ideal place is right 672 00:31:00,413 --> 00:31:02,275 where Christine had wanted to build her house. 673 00:31:02,379 --> 00:31:03,379 I could be anywhere. 674 00:31:03,482 --> 00:31:05,206 I could be close to the road even. 675 00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:08,551 Would you want to have to walk from here to the garden all the time 676 00:31:08,655 --> 00:31:09,896 when you're wanting to inspect it? 677 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,379 Kody, I don't know if that's where the garden is gonna go. 678 00:31:11,482 --> 00:31:13,551 -[Kody] That is where it's gonna go. - Oh, okay. Well. 679 00:31:13,655 --> 00:31:15,241 At this point, I'm like, "Why does it matter so much 680 00:31:15,344 --> 00:31:16,620 where the greenhouse goes? 681 00:31:16,724 --> 00:31:19,137 Why doesn't it matter where we want to build our houses?" 682 00:31:19,241 --> 00:31:23,206 Mike, is there a better way in your head to subdivide this 683 00:31:23,310 --> 00:31:24,793 for the five lots than I've shown? 684 00:31:24,896 --> 00:31:28,827 [Mike] From what I hear from all of you... 685 00:31:28,931 --> 00:31:31,103 Well, I should say from what I hear from Kody, 686 00:31:31,206 --> 00:31:33,379 I mean, kind of what... 687 00:31:33,482 --> 00:31:35,034 I think that's the best way to do it. 688 00:31:35,137 --> 00:31:36,034 I really do. 689 00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:43,413 I wonder if Kody already had the conversation with Mike and told him 690 00:31:43,517 --> 00:31:46,724 how he wanted the property to be laid out and said, 691 00:31:46,827 --> 00:31:48,344 "Hey, Mike, is this a good way?" 692 00:31:48,448 --> 00:31:50,551 And Mike is like, "Yes, it is a good way." 693 00:31:50,655 --> 00:31:55,896 And then Kody is like, "Okay, Mike, can you then help sell it to my wives? 694 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,068 Because I think this is best. 695 00:31:58,172 --> 00:31:59,448 And so can you help me? 696 00:31:59,551 --> 00:32:02,517 'Cause, dude, I need a man backing me because these women, 697 00:32:02,620 --> 00:32:04,172 I'm telling you." 698 00:32:04,275 --> 00:32:07,241 I honestly have never thought about being in the trees. 699 00:32:07,344 --> 00:32:09,793 I just assumed everybody would want to be in the trees. 700 00:32:09,896 --> 00:32:11,689 So I just ignored the trees. 701 00:32:11,793 --> 00:32:13,655 I don't want to even commit to anything... 702 00:32:13,758 --> 00:32:15,448 - I'm not committing to anything right now. -...until I walk it. 703 00:32:15,551 --> 00:32:16,827 - Yeah. -'Cause I don't know. 704 00:32:16,931 --> 00:32:20,413 They just want some power over the decision or something that. 705 00:32:22,482 --> 00:32:23,551 [grunts] 706 00:32:23,655 --> 00:32:24,931 [Christine] Yeah, this is all just new. 707 00:32:25,034 --> 00:32:26,413 I've never thought about anything different than that. 708 00:32:26,517 --> 00:32:27,862 [Meri] Yeah, it's just a conversation. 709 00:32:27,965 --> 00:32:30,551 If we can walk it, that'd be like my favorite thing in the world 710 00:32:30,655 --> 00:32:32,758 'cause I've been standing here for a really long time. 711 00:32:32,862 --> 00:32:36,241 I'm losing my patience with how they're behaving here 712 00:32:36,344 --> 00:32:39,965 because I don't really care. I just want to get it divided. 713 00:32:40,068 --> 00:32:41,965 I want to make sure that we're just walking the properties, 714 00:32:42,068 --> 00:32:43,310 we're gonna look at them. 715 00:32:43,413 --> 00:32:47,310 And then we need to sit down offline from this conversation 716 00:32:47,413 --> 00:32:49,241 and decide what names. So I know you're going to be like, 717 00:32:49,344 --> 00:32:50,724 "Oh, this is going to be really great, Meri, 718 00:32:50,827 --> 00:32:51,827 don't you want to build here?" 719 00:32:51,931 --> 00:32:53,206 Like, let's just walk them, huh? 720 00:32:53,310 --> 00:32:55,000 - Like, you think? -[Kody] Okay. 721 00:32:55,103 --> 00:32:56,448 [Christine] I appreciate what Meri is doing. 722 00:32:56,551 --> 00:32:58,241 I'm just over the conversation. 723 00:32:58,344 --> 00:33:01,620 I'm having a hard time holding it all in anyway, and we need to start 724 00:33:01,724 --> 00:33:03,103 walking or I'm going to start crying. 725 00:33:03,206 --> 00:33:04,724 That's what's going to happen here. 726 00:33:04,827 --> 00:33:07,517 If I express myself, I'm just going to cry. 727 00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:10,689 We just want to get there so we can sort of get a view on it all. 728 00:33:10,793 --> 00:33:15,103 It's either walk the property or I'm just going to walk away from this conversation 729 00:33:15,206 --> 00:33:18,310 entirely 'cause this is very frustrating. 730 00:33:28,551 --> 00:33:33,206 I wish that I would not have allowed this family to evolve to this point 731 00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:34,965 to where it's anarchy. 732 00:33:35,068 --> 00:33:37,896 And it's because I sort of don't like being controlled, 733 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,655 so I don't like to control other people. 734 00:33:39,758 --> 00:33:44,793 But I am sick and tired of sitting here negotiating about it. 735 00:33:44,896 --> 00:33:47,620 So our property line is here, right? 736 00:33:47,724 --> 00:33:49,448 So that's kind of the corner edge. 737 00:33:49,551 --> 00:33:53,310 And so if I was to take that and start walking roughly about right here. 738 00:33:53,413 --> 00:33:54,586 It starts slanting, doesn't it? 739 00:33:54,689 --> 00:33:56,137 It's feels like a slant. 740 00:33:56,241 --> 00:33:57,793 -[Mike] But it's not. -[Kody] But it's not. 741 00:33:57,896 --> 00:33:59,034 You go here. You go here. 742 00:33:59,137 --> 00:34:00,551 You go here. You go here. 743 00:34:00,655 --> 00:34:03,620 That's how you have to do plural marriage. 744 00:34:03,724 --> 00:34:09,103 I should wash my hands of this, walk away, and just let them hash it out. 745 00:34:09,206 --> 00:34:11,241 [Meri] So you're basically on the property line right now? 746 00:34:11,344 --> 00:34:12,206 [Kody] Roughly. 747 00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:13,896 [Meri] And this is lot number what? 748 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,206 -[Kody] One. -[Meri] One. 749 00:34:15,310 --> 00:34:16,620 And this is yours. 750 00:34:16,724 --> 00:34:20,758 The only spot is to build is in the trees then, right? 751 00:34:20,862 --> 00:34:23,103 - You can't build on the pond, right? -[Kody] Right. 752 00:34:23,206 --> 00:34:26,000 Lot number one for me isn't even an option because, right now, 753 00:34:26,103 --> 00:34:28,551 it's the lot that has the pond on it. 754 00:34:28,655 --> 00:34:32,344 I'm pretty sure Kody has spoken for this lot right here. 755 00:34:32,448 --> 00:34:34,103 So Kody wants a doghouse. 756 00:34:34,206 --> 00:34:35,655 House. [chuckles] 757 00:34:35,758 --> 00:34:37,172 Freudian slip. 758 00:34:37,275 --> 00:34:38,758 Kody wants a house. 759 00:34:38,862 --> 00:34:40,482 His own house. 760 00:34:40,586 --> 00:34:43,000 And so now we're in lot two. 761 00:34:43,103 --> 00:34:45,379 [Meri] And then it would go down to the other side of the pond. 762 00:34:45,482 --> 00:34:48,620 -[Mike] Yes. -[Meri] Yeah, I have no problem with lot number two 763 00:34:48,724 --> 00:34:49,931 if that's the way that it goes. 764 00:34:50,034 --> 00:34:53,379 But I know that we're not actually making a decision today. 765 00:34:53,482 --> 00:34:56,655 We're gonna be getting together after we all just kind of wrap our minds 766 00:34:56,758 --> 00:35:01,310 around it all because, you know, I know I'm not the only one that 767 00:35:01,413 --> 00:35:04,724 this property layout is like a new concept to. 768 00:35:04,827 --> 00:35:06,862 So, Kody, I'm going to stay here. 769 00:35:06,965 --> 00:35:11,586 Will you walk to the edge of what might be like two to three? 770 00:35:11,689 --> 00:35:13,724 [Kody] Yeah. There's the pressure to do something so that 771 00:35:13,827 --> 00:35:15,448 we can get moved on the property. 772 00:35:15,551 --> 00:35:17,310 But then once I do something, 773 00:35:17,413 --> 00:35:21,275 there's nothing but resistance to what I've done. 774 00:35:21,379 --> 00:35:26,586 There's no motivation here for me to continue going through this process 775 00:35:26,689 --> 00:35:28,034 with these ladies. 776 00:35:28,137 --> 00:35:29,137 Ladies, this way. Everybody... 777 00:35:29,241 --> 00:35:30,689 [Christine] This is personal opinion, right? 778 00:35:30,793 --> 00:35:33,000 But he's got-- but you have also the surveyor knowledge 779 00:35:33,103 --> 00:35:34,034 in it as well. 780 00:35:34,137 --> 00:35:35,551 -[Mike] Well, yeah. -[Kody whistles] Hey! 781 00:35:35,655 --> 00:35:37,000 What the holy hell? 782 00:35:37,103 --> 00:35:38,241 Did you just whistle at us? 783 00:35:38,344 --> 00:35:40,103 [Robyn] We're trying, we're trying to talk to him. 784 00:35:40,206 --> 00:35:41,517 I... 785 00:35:41,620 --> 00:35:44,689 I'm furious at Kody right now anyway and then whistling at me? 786 00:35:44,793 --> 00:35:46,000 -[Mike] Well, yeah. -[Kody whistles] Hey! 787 00:35:46,103 --> 00:35:47,689 That's insulting and rude. 788 00:35:47,793 --> 00:35:49,724 So everything that he says right now, 789 00:35:49,827 --> 00:35:51,551 I'm frankly not going to listen to. 790 00:35:51,655 --> 00:35:53,206 I don't care. 791 00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:56,413 [Mike] From a practicality standpoint it's gonna, it's gonna be a project 792 00:35:56,517 --> 00:35:59,413 putting it in on 'cause there's gonna be lots of rock on this hill. 793 00:35:59,517 --> 00:36:01,241 - Look at that. -[Kody] I'm just trying to move this along. 794 00:36:01,344 --> 00:36:04,344 Here's the thing, I know darn well that the longer 795 00:36:04,448 --> 00:36:08,689 I let them think about this, the more challenging their questions are gonna be. 796 00:36:08,793 --> 00:36:10,689 It's been two years now 797 00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:13,000 and we have been hashing this 798 00:36:13,103 --> 00:36:14,448 and hashing this and hashing this. 799 00:36:14,551 --> 00:36:18,965 It's been really, really a frustration for me all the way along. 800 00:36:19,068 --> 00:36:24,310 If you built right there, I'm under no illusions that you won't have to... 801 00:36:24,413 --> 00:36:25,551 Right here. 802 00:36:25,655 --> 00:36:27,241 - Could you build right here? A house? - Yes, you could. 803 00:36:27,344 --> 00:36:28,206 Then I'm sold. 804 00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:29,379 This is an awesome lot. 805 00:36:29,482 --> 00:36:30,793 I'd definitely take it. 806 00:36:30,896 --> 00:36:33,448 I know that Christine's been in a little bit of a tough spot 807 00:36:33,551 --> 00:36:36,551 because she's, like, thinking about the idea of moving back to Utah. 808 00:36:36,655 --> 00:36:40,241 So like for her to kind of go, "Sold, I want this!" It's like... 809 00:36:40,344 --> 00:36:41,379 it's cool to hear. 810 00:36:41,482 --> 00:36:42,620 I'm like, "Okay." 811 00:36:42,724 --> 00:36:44,586 [Kody] I'm telling you, this has been my favorite lot 812 00:36:44,689 --> 00:36:46,551 from the very beginning right here. 813 00:36:46,655 --> 00:36:47,724 [chuckles] 814 00:36:47,827 --> 00:36:49,655 Let's get this done. Let's get this figured out. 815 00:36:49,758 --> 00:36:51,172 Like, let's get back together. Yeah. 816 00:36:51,275 --> 00:36:53,793 So is everybody clear on what lot number three is? 817 00:36:53,896 --> 00:36:54,931 [Meri] Kody's favorite. 818 00:36:55,034 --> 00:36:56,517 - The best spot on the property. -[Kody] Yeah. 819 00:36:56,620 --> 00:36:57,965 [Meri] The big shebang. 820 00:36:58,862 --> 00:37:01,862 The Big Kahuna, the best ever. 821 00:37:01,965 --> 00:37:03,793 Shoot. Maybe I should build here. 822 00:37:05,068 --> 00:37:07,034 Then he'd come and visit me. 823 00:37:07,517 --> 00:37:09,034 [laughing] 824 00:37:09,758 --> 00:37:10,896 So where's our property line? 825 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,206 Where does it come to? 826 00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:13,689 Do you see that? 827 00:37:13,793 --> 00:37:15,827 I think that's the property line right there. 828 00:37:15,931 --> 00:37:18,793 [Christine] I mean, honestly, I'm not excited to move on to this property. 829 00:37:18,896 --> 00:37:20,310 But we are. 830 00:37:20,413 --> 00:37:23,034 So I'd like to be excited to move on to this property. 831 00:37:23,137 --> 00:37:27,689 I just have to talk myself into staying constantly now instead of just walking away. 832 00:37:27,793 --> 00:37:28,586 [chuckles softly] 833 00:37:28,689 --> 00:37:30,344 [Robyn] So can I just ask this? 834 00:37:30,448 --> 00:37:34,344 This is about the edge of what lot four based on the new concept? 835 00:37:34,448 --> 00:37:35,310 [Kody] Correct. 836 00:37:35,413 --> 00:37:36,689 [Robyn] That's quite a lot of land. 837 00:37:36,793 --> 00:37:40,793 The assumed premise of wooded acreage and non-wooded acreage 838 00:37:40,896 --> 00:37:43,103 is that wooded acreage has more value. 839 00:37:43,206 --> 00:37:46,137 Every single time we walk a lot, it's my new favorite lot. 840 00:37:46,241 --> 00:37:47,758 -[all laughing] - It is. 841 00:37:47,862 --> 00:37:48,862 I just keep going like-- 842 00:37:48,965 --> 00:37:50,379 You can't have them all, Robyn. 843 00:37:50,482 --> 00:37:55,517 So I'm assuming that a four-acre lot with no trees has approximately 844 00:37:55,620 --> 00:38:00,413 the same value as a two-acre lot that has a lot of trees. 845 00:38:00,517 --> 00:38:06,000 What I'm trying to do is get this as fair as I can and put wives 846 00:38:06,103 --> 00:38:11,103 where they're going to be benefited and benefit everybody else. 847 00:38:11,206 --> 00:38:12,724 Everybody owns their lots. 848 00:38:12,827 --> 00:38:16,517 If you guys give me the pond, nobody gets to tell me what I do with it. 849 00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:19,931 If this lot is yours and you don't want to subdivide for your kids, 850 00:38:20,034 --> 00:38:21,137 your kids are screwed. 851 00:38:21,241 --> 00:38:23,241 None of my kids are gonna stay in Flagstaff. 852 00:38:23,344 --> 00:38:26,758 They've all expressed no desire to live here whatsoever. 853 00:38:26,862 --> 00:38:29,413 They're all gonna settle in Utah ironically enough. 854 00:38:29,517 --> 00:38:30,793 Huh? 855 00:38:30,896 --> 00:38:32,551 [Kody] Just remember, what you do with that lot affects 856 00:38:32,655 --> 00:38:34,068 everybody else in the family. 857 00:38:34,172 --> 00:38:35,586 A COVID lesson. 858 00:38:35,689 --> 00:38:37,724 You know, everybody gets to decide if they mask up, 859 00:38:37,827 --> 00:38:40,551 - but what you do affects everybody else. -[Mike chuckles] 860 00:38:40,655 --> 00:38:41,724 [Kody] Any questions? 861 00:38:41,827 --> 00:38:43,344 Can we hurry before this rain comes? 862 00:38:43,448 --> 00:38:44,689 I don't know what he's talking about. 863 00:38:44,793 --> 00:38:46,551 This has nothing to do with what we're doing right here. 864 00:38:46,655 --> 00:38:48,655 So I'm just gonna stop it right now. 865 00:38:48,758 --> 00:38:50,724 I can't tell him to not say that, 866 00:38:50,827 --> 00:38:53,310 but I'm gonna try to change the subject. 867 00:38:53,413 --> 00:38:54,862 Thanks, Mike. I appreciate it. 868 00:38:54,965 --> 00:38:56,103 - Thank you so much. -[Janelle] This has been huge. 869 00:38:56,206 --> 00:38:57,655 [Mike] Oh, sure thing. Thank you. 870 00:38:57,758 --> 00:39:00,724 [Kody] Let's see if we can get back to the cars before the rain hits us. 871 00:39:04,586 --> 00:39:06,724 [Christine] I'm just doing my best to not be emotional. 872 00:39:06,827 --> 00:39:08,241 I'm just trying to let go. 873 00:39:08,344 --> 00:39:12,965 I'm just trying to let go of having my house be where I wanted it. 874 00:39:13,068 --> 00:39:15,517 And so I don't... I mean, okay, that's fine. 875 00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:16,965 Let's just keep going. 876 00:39:17,068 --> 00:39:19,000 I thought we were gonna try and build the cul de sac again, 877 00:39:19,103 --> 00:39:23,448 like we had in Vegas and like, have the four houses like right there 878 00:39:23,551 --> 00:39:25,586 kind of close to each other. 879 00:39:25,689 --> 00:39:27,551 It just sounds really separate. 880 00:39:27,655 --> 00:39:30,931 And I think it's kind of sad, to be honest, you know? 881 00:39:31,034 --> 00:39:33,551 But I'm just not interested anymore. 882 00:39:40,206 --> 00:39:42,137 [narrator speaking] 883 00:39:42,241 --> 00:39:44,068 [Kody] When it comes to the COVID virus, 884 00:39:44,172 --> 00:39:47,724 I'm not willing to gamble a family member's life. 885 00:39:47,827 --> 00:39:51,344 [Meri] We've basically quarantined from each other for the past six months. 886 00:39:51,448 --> 00:39:53,931 [Kody] I'm the only one that's going from home to home. 887 00:39:54,034 --> 00:39:56,517 [Christine] You know what, COVID's brought out is how much 888 00:39:56,620 --> 00:39:59,310 we want to be a family or not. 889 00:39:59,413 --> 00:40:01,620 [Janelle] Wow, are these are the rules you guys follow at your house? 890 00:40:01,724 --> 00:40:02,965 [Robyn] I'm just gonna say it out loud. 891 00:40:03,068 --> 00:40:04,379 [Kody] These are what she follows. 892 00:40:04,482 --> 00:40:06,620 I know everybody's like suspicious of me will just please stop. 893 00:40:06,724 --> 00:40:09,137 I didn't make up these rules. 894 00:40:09,241 --> 00:40:13,758 Kody is not somebody to be run by one of his wives. 895 00:40:13,862 --> 00:40:16,482 Are you the head of the family? 896 00:40:16,586 --> 00:40:20,413 It's pissing me off they're looking to Robyn like for some kind of approval. 897 00:40:21,413 --> 00:40:24,000 I don't have a head wife in this family. 898 00:40:24,103 --> 00:40:25,413 You good with two? 899 00:40:25,517 --> 00:40:27,517 - You good with three? -[Christine] Yes. 900 00:40:27,620 --> 00:40:33,620 We're all getting together to discuss the lots on the property. 901 00:40:33,724 --> 00:40:36,758 [Christine] The best that I can give today is just to pretend. 902 00:40:36,862 --> 00:40:38,000 I don't want to move on the property. 903 00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:39,827 I want to move back to Utah. 904 00:40:39,931 --> 00:40:42,000 I've heard, like you say, things. 905 00:40:42,103 --> 00:40:44,724 They question if I'm gonna stay. 906 00:40:44,827 --> 00:40:46,827 I've considered everything. 907 00:40:46,931 --> 00:40:48,551 [Kody] How's my three? 908 00:40:48,655 --> 00:40:52,689 [Christine] I don't know if Kody even wants to see everybody all together again. 909 00:40:52,793 --> 00:40:55,034 Maybe he's fine, just living separate. 910 00:40:55,137 --> 00:40:58,793 I'm at my wit's end with this whole [bleep] stuff. 911 00:40:58,896 --> 00:41:03,241 [Robyn] It's made me feel like the foundation that our family 912 00:41:03,344 --> 00:41:05,896 was built on is, like, crumbling. 913 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,241 I don't know. 914 00:41:07,344 --> 00:41:08,655 I would move to Utah in a heartbeat. 915 00:41:08,758 --> 00:41:11,068 Are you kidding me? Is it on the table still? 916 00:41:11,172 --> 00:41:15,000 This is a woman who hasn't heard us all say no. 917 00:41:15,103 --> 00:41:17,000 I'm not gonna talk to you. [tearfully] 918 00:41:17,103 --> 00:41:20,586 [Christine] Why would I want to live 919 00:41:20,689 --> 00:41:25,517 on the same property with a dysfunctional marriage, 920 00:41:25,620 --> 00:41:30,620 where right over there, he's got a full functioning marriage? 921 00:41:30,724 --> 00:41:34,724 Who would ever want to live like that?