Previously onSister Wives.
I think life's gotten really easy for us,
and we all go home to our little houses
and we complain about somebody.
We'll have to decide what we really want.
Do you want to have a relationship with your sister wife?
Maybe there are some of us who are like,
"Look, I don't want it anymore."
It's hard to find that balance of being strong and not being a bitch.
I want wives who get along with each other and who like each other
and who don't sit there and say snotty little things
to each other that break their hearts.
Would every one of these women be better off married to another guy?
Meri, I have a very difficult time, like, visualizing us in the future.
Dude, you've got four wives and 18 kids.
You're just going to pick and choose who you're gonna keep?
Nobody likes what we're having to do for this COVID experience.
And we're not gonna see Dad anyway.
Why would I social distance?
I just feel all this pressure on the family relationships.
There's very separate feelings starting to happen.
When Kody proposed moving back in Vegas,
I, at first, really wanted to go to Utah too.
But then I thought, "You know, I really don't want that life."
And then polygamy got decriminalized.
And I wonder why we're still here.
Oh, my gosh.
We can be by family again.
We can be back home.
Once we basically were kicked out of Utah,
I've just kind of had a feeling of,
"Well, I'm not gonna grace you with my presence then."
There's nothing for me in Utah.
Nothing.
We're not moving, are we?
Come here. Come here, come here, come here, come here, come here.
God. Come here.
All right.
So, Christine's her reaction to the rejection of the idea of moving to Utah
was so negative, so emotional.
You know, basically get up and walk away.
And I don't understand why really.
I don't understand why she was in that place.
Meri, I can't do marriage with Kody anymore.
I don't want to--
Just look at the mountain.
I don't want to do it anymore.
I don't know what she was talking with Meri about.
I think Meri might have been just trying to convince her that living here
was beautiful and great.
Two years ago, we moved to Flagstaff from Las Vegas.
We bought property.
We made plans to build on the property.
And so far, we haven't done any building.
Isn't it obvious that we're not gonna build on the property
to anyone but me?
You don't get to give up like that.
You know, I see value in our family.
I see value in all the relationships.
I know that things don't fix or heal if you walk away.
So when Christine is saying these things to me, um, I recognize the emotion.
I have gone how many years without really having
any relationship with Kody, and I get really fed up with it sometimes.
You didn't put 30 years into this, 25, 28,
wherever you are, to walk away.
I didn't put 30 years in to walk away.
So Meri and I haven't even been in a full marriage
for about five years, you know.
She went through a catfishing experience.
I really thought she was gonna leave.
Even our last anniversary, I just kind of made it clear to her that
we probably weren't getting back together in a full marriage.
I mean, I'm not kicking her out.
I'm just letting her know where the relationship with me is at.
'Cause you're hurting.
And when you're hurting, you can't be real with your feelings.
I recognize the feelings, you know, because I've been there.
I am there.
- Okay? - Okay.
I appreciate everything Meri is saying.
I do. She's lived through a lot.
But her relationship with Kody certainly isn't one that I would want.
So did you... did you hear the angels sing again?
- Not today. Not today?
Christine is upset.
I understand it.
It's scary.
It's been absolutely scary what our family culture is looking like
because we are not spending time together.
I don't know if this is something that fixes itself right away.
So don't be thinking, I'm thinking it's all done and like it's all put...
put to bed or whatever.
I still want to, I want to honor where you are.
We have to get this property, all the property boundaries figured out, though.
That we have to do because we've got to be able to move on that.
Yeah. We don't want to wait any longer.
This whole thing is hard.
It's not just about moving back to Utah.
It's not just about that.
Look, I'm not gonna make any drastic decisions
on what I'm gonna do next today.
I am hurt today.
I think just getting the different lots figured out
will help us to start visualizing better.
That's what I need. Yeah.
I can't visualize anything because I have no idea where any property lines
or like the best place to build whatever it is we decide to build.
The only thing I can visualize here is a pond.
All right. Let's break this up.
I really needed his support.
I really did.
Marriage is hard.
But I never wanted the kind of marriage that I have now.
I never wanted to be so estranged and have extremely limited
physical contact, not even handholding.
It's sad. My marriage to Kody is sad.
So Christine went from "Hey, we should move to Utah"
with a great and enthusiastic disposition and in what felt like
five minutes to me turned completely to despondent and, um...
and angry.
I do want to go and visit with every one of those wives who rejected this idea
why is Utah not an option.
Wow, rhubarb is looking really good.
It's actually a green.
It looks like rhubarb, but it's a green.
- Oh, it's... Oh, really? - Yeah, look at the spinach.
It's gone out of control.
That's spinach?
So I have always enjoyed gardening.
It's very therapeutic for me.
But there's a bunch of apples that I need to get before they fall.
Do you think we should be pruning it?
Look at that power line.
Wow, that just looks like a accident waiting to happen.
Okay. So, but look, there's a bunch right up here.
Okay.
All right, I'll go grab the ladder.
So I want to grow produce.
Maybe someday I'll have a farm to table restaurant.
Who knows? Like, I have these big plans, right?
Yeah. So I've got to talk to you about our last visit on Coyote Pass.
This is like an area that I grew up in.
I flourish in this space.
- You like it here? - I do.
Christine was pretty emotional when she was talking to us about going back to Utah.
It's something that's really important to her.
Usually, when a wife cares about something to that degree,
Kody's gonna do a deep dive as to how everybody really feels just to make sure
that everybody is being heard and listened to.
And this is a-- this is major.
She was very passionate about moving back.
Christine started going, "Hey, I want to move."
As soon as that law changed, she was like, "I want to move back to Utah."
Would you be just as happy?
Could you be just as happy in Utah?
I'm just...
- Okay, no. - I'm not trying to sell you on this.
- I'm just trying to just-- - No, I'm really not.
I mean, at this point, I would just be like,
"You guys give me the property and you can move."
Like, that's how I feel.
You can go be in Utah, do your thing.
I don't care.
Yeah, I would stay.
You would really leave this?
So this is the discussion I've had with Christine.
I'm totally interested in living in St. George area.
Mmm-hmm. - Doesn't have to be St. George.
I'm suspicious that Robyn would be okay with that in some ways
because her family lives there.
Okay. I still don't want to go.
Okay. - I really don't.
I would really be like, "You guys leave me here."
I've had three of these four women threaten to leave me
for a significant part of the marriages.
She's bluffing completely.
But it's not a new thing to be threatened to be left.
Well, I'm gonna check with everybody.
And your vote is just absolute no.
I hope it's not a vote. I hope we're staying here.
Well, I... I'm just...
Listen, we got Christine literally melting down because she doesn't want to live here.
She wants to live in Utah.
It sounds like, obviously, he's trying to make the case for Utah,
but then he brings up Christine.
And I'm like, "Okay, so are you really just trying to make sure
Christine is heard and that you're checking everybody's temperature?"
I mean, that's what you want, right?
You're not telling me that we're taking a vote again about going to Utah.
You're just trying to take everybody's temperature to see
if anyone's in the same boat as Christine.
I'm not trying to put a wrench in our plans,
but then I have to consider the whole big picture.
We moved here for my sake because I wanted you guys to get...
I wanted to get the family out of Las Vegas.
And we all bought off on it. Even Christine.
Like, we all bought off on it.
Like, we all did.
She's not kidding around.
She's not-- She's not going back and forth.
She's like, "I don't want to live here."
This isn't home to me.
Utah is home.
No, there's nothing for me there.
- All right. - Just want to know where you're really at.
I know you're just checking. I know.
I'm just... I'm just...
I'm just trying to get us all to, essentially, just say here's the baseline and...
Okay. -...and here or this doesn't work.
- I just want to know... - I just, I--
'Cause I feel like I just blew her out of the water.
I was just like, "This is it." Are you kidding me?
I get it. And I appreciate because she was...
I felt really bad 'cause I could tell that
it was really emotionally important to her.
And plus, I want to move there.
Okay. - I mean, I've never...
I've never lost that sort of desire, but I'm not...
I'm not moving the family because of where I want to live.
But, you know, right now, so far, it's just Christine and Janelle and me
more or less going, "I would love living in Utah, but I don't want to move."
So it's kind of an either or for me.
Ultimately, what's happening in my life now as this unfolds
is two princesses given ultimatums.
So because of COVID-19, for a few months now,
we've been practicing COVID protocols.
It would be nice if we could figure out when, at what point
we could be okay.
It's not gonna go away.
Like, I don't really want to do Christmas via Zoom with you guys. Sorry.
I-- I just don't see that we're getting together.
Wow.
Hey, Janelle.
Hey, Meri and I are here. Should we just come around the back?
Yeah, I'm in the back.
Today, all the adults are coming over.
It's been a couple of weeks since the last time we got together
out of the property.
I did melt down.
It was a very difficult day.
I found out that no one really wants to move back to Utah anyway.
Okay, so then the $64 million question or whatever.
Do you have chairs already?
Yeah. - Oh, awesome.
They might be six feet apart.
-I don't know. - Okay, yeah.
I just need to put on a brave face and be as enthusiastic
as possible 'cause this is where we're going to end up.
Hey, there!
Hi. I love your shirt!
Pretend. That's the word I'm looking for.
I have to pretend.
Should I put my mask on.
- I don't know.
So because of COVID-19, for a few months now,
we've been practicing COVID protocols.
From the beginning, we considered that
we could all completely sequester
from the rest of the world so that the family could interact.
But what happened ended up being that we decided that I would be the one
that would move from house to house because nobody wanted to have to essentially
quarantine from the rest of the world that much.
Who called this party?
This party is a result of my low-grade anxiety the COVID's giving me.
The one thing I've been wanting to keep from happening
is have the virus go through our family like a wildfire.
But we've kind of gotten to a place where not everybody is in agreement.
Christine has done some traveling.
It's also led to Janelle's boys having social lives.
And it's kept me from being at Janelle's house as much.
So it feels very separate.
It feels very separated.
So it's a lousy way to spend the summer,
everybody far apart from each other.
I can't say that Kody never comes over right now during COVID.
But it's very, very rare that he comes over.
It would be nice if we could figure out when,
at what point we could be okay.
It's not gonna go away.
I don't think it's gonna go completely away for like until next spring.
I'll probably go to North Carolina for Christmas
if we have to do Zoom Christmas. Sorry, guys.
Well, hopefully, it'll blow over by Christmas.
It's like they're constantly denying
that anything could happen.
You know, there's the who goes and does whatever they want
and gets everybody sick.
And that even happens in flu and cold season.
I've had somebody give me an illness that went through the whole family
from a flippin' handshake.
Let's... let's cross that bridge when we come to it.
But we're still dealing with...
right now, with a situation that hasn't improved.
And I think that some of this is right on the mother's heads
because Gabriel is constantly blaming me.
Garrison is calling me and saying, "This is stupid."
I can only assume that Janelle, under her breath,
is saying that about me.
I'm like, "Are we really gonna make decisions about Christmas now, though?"
I can't tell you guys what to do.
I can decide what I'm gonna do.
And if the family wants to get together, they can figure it out too.
We could have, right from the beginning, just said, "Everybody, just stay home.
We'll wait this out."
But I've got one kid doing this and another kid doing this
and another person traveling, another person traveling.
I just don't see that we're getting together.
So for how long, though, like through Christmas, through like...
Well, I don't know how long the virus is gonna last.
But I'm not gonna have a big Christmas gathering.
Wow.
So basically, unless we all observe his uber, uber, uber careful stance,
forget holidays.
I don't know.
I guess there's really just nothing to say but wow.
I have to be really careful here because I think we all have really...
and I'm trying to respect everybody's place, but I need you to be
somewhat respectful of my place, too.
Yeah, I understand, but...
He's trying to push on me and push on me and push on me.
There's no optimism.
It's like doomsday.
But I've got kids calling all the time saying,
"Dad, when can we all get back together?"
I know. The kids are all saying...
Hunter said, "This is the only time in my entire career
that I will have been home this long.
And I haven't even seen Robyn's kids or Robyn's family."
To be honest, I mean, like Janelle's saying this about Hunter,
and I'm just like, well, he hasn't asked to come over and visit outside.
So if he wanted to come over and we just sit outside, socially distance,
I'd be like, "Yeah, bring it on.
That'd be great."
I hate that we're having to social distance from each other,
but I understand that everybody's got different things they want to do.
And so I guess that's what we're doing.
But I just feel like, you know I tell the kids all the time, we're just lucky
because there's so many people out there that are suffering right now.
We're still a family.
That's never gonna change.
The relationships are struggling.
My relationship with Kody is struggling
because he's not seeing his family as much.
I feel very helpless here.
Everybody has... has their opinion about what we should be doing.
And so everybody can just do what they want to do.
I've got to reassess what I'm doing here because I do not feel like
I've made any traction or any progress.
I feel like the family that we need to, like, do some planning,
do something hopeful.
So I'm trying to get a surveyor to meet with us and sort of consult us
about reconfiguring the property.
And by doing that, might get our family focused back on the dream
and the hope of getting on that property and sort of take away
some of these woes that we're experiencing with COVID-19.
Christine, the talk we had on the property, I'm not trying to be pushy.
Okay.
She really wants to move to Utah.
I wish we could just settle down.
Like, we're here, we're in Flagstaff.
It's beautiful.
Like, you guys are okay moving all the time constantly, I guess.
No, I'm really not.
Like, I'm so frustrated that we're constantly bringing up,
where should we go? I'm like, "We got to find a place and make it home."
Because of Christine's reaction to our rejection of the idea
of moving back to Utah when she pitched it on Coyote Pass,
I kind of felt like it was necessary for me to really dig down
a little deeper with each wife.
I've already had that conversation with Janelle.
And now I'm gonna go over to Robyn's.
Right now, the vote is just two to one.
Me and Janelle.
Janelle has certainly strengthened my spine in the idea
that we need to stay here in Flagstaff.
Hey. - Hi.
I hate looking at it that way because that separates us from Christine.
We have certainly got to get our anchors dug into Flagstaff
or Christine's heart's desire will continue to push us to move to Utah.
Okay. The reason I wanted to come and talk with you is just because of...
Yeah.
...Christine, the talk we had on the property.
- Okay. And so I'm not trying to be pushy.
- Okay.
I wanted to check everybody's temperature on it in private
because I think the reason she's bringing it up is 'cause she's like,
"I don't want to build on the property
'cause I want to move to Utah."
So why don't we figure this out before we build on the property?
Okay, so when Christine talked to us on the property, I kind of thought
it was just kind of a concept.
It was an idea like, "Hey, what do you guys think?"
And now it sounds like it's a...
it's just not going away.
This is... this is so frustrating that we're...
that this is like a...
a question.
I mean, we just got here to Flagstaff.
And I've invested myself here.
I would love to move back to Utah too.
But I made it really clear once we moved here,
like, I'm not interested in being a transient family.
My kids are very happy here in Flagstaff.
I want to make it work.
This is what I want to do.
This...
this carrot is being dangled in front of me.
And it's very, very hard for me 'cause I have...
My dad and my mom live in St. George.
I don't feel like I really have a choice to move to Utah
because of what people in Utah will treat our family like.
You know, I was raised in a plural family.
My father has two wives.
And I have eight siblings.
I worried a lot about being bullied and people treating us like trash
if I told anybody about what my family structure and my religion was.
I kept to myself.
I didn't try out for clubs.
I didn't go to sports.
My future was altered completely by the fact that I was scared.
I mean, I could have been a very different person.
I was afraid of people finding out about my family.
I just keep thinking that normal people in Utah...
Mmm-hmm. -...sort of see us separate from those other Polygamists.
They may or may not.
It depends on whether or not they know our story.
They're just thinking we're just a polygamist family.
And what do they know about polygamy?
Child brides, welfare fraud, abuse.
That's what they know.
My kids will be the ones...
our kids, our kids will be the one that
is put on the chopping block, the altar.
Okay.
I wish we could just settle down.
Like, we're here, we're in Flagstaff,
it's beautiful like you guys are okay
moving all the time constantly, I guess.
No, I'm really not.
Like, I'm so frustrated that we're constantly bringing up,
"Where should we go?"
I'm like, "We got to find a place and make it home."
No, no. No. I'm okay.
I want you to understand. I mean, Christine brought this up.
- I wanted to be more fair with her. - And I validate it.
I really validate it. I get it.
And it was where I always wanted to move in the first place.
I really get...
I really validate and get why she wants to 'cause I want to, too,
but I cannot indulge that...
- that desire, I just can't. - Okay.
It's not just my kids that we're considering.
We're also considering Christine's youngest.
And we're considering Janelle's youngest kids.
And it's like that is not fair to them.
If I can get verification that Meri is in the same place which I'm assuming.
I want to be able to go to Christine saying,
"I talked to these other ladies.
And I'm sorry, but--"
Maybe you shouldn't say it like that because it is hard sometimes
that you're outvoted. I hate that.
It's part of our family structure.
It has to be that way.
It's the only way that it's fair.
But maybe it shouldn't be that we are saying this.
Maybe there's something you need to figure out a way
- to say it to her without... - Right.
Making it about her sister wives voting against what she wants.
- Okay. Okay. 'Cause I don't...
I'd have a hard time with that.
I'd be like, "Wow, my whole life is being controlled by, you know--"
That's kind of the game we're in.
Yeah. Our family has always done the majority rules.
And sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
I think that that's probably the best way to do it.
You know, it's not like we can just take turns between the five of us.
"Okay, this time, whatever you say goes.
This time, whatever you say goes."
Usually I'm like, "Well, you guys do whatever you want.
I'm gonna do what I want."
Yeah, but it's like if you're not in a close relationship
with a sister wife and she didn't vote for what you wanted,
- that's not easy. Ooh, ooh. I understand.
Thank you for the tip.
And I know she's agreed to this, and I know this is what we live,
and I know this is how we do it, and I get all that.
But it's still the emotional aspect of it is hard to swallow sometimes.
I want to tell you that I've heard you.
Okay. - Okay?
It's just a real clear reality.
You've communicated very clearly and very well.
Yeah.
I got to admit, all this discussion with my wives,
I'm still really surprised that Christine was so rocked, that her world was rocked
by this idea that we're not moving back to Utah.
Love you. - I love you.
I guess what I'm doing is I'm...
I'm getting their sort of for sure place, where their positives
are at so I can go back to Christine and maybe gently,
kindly validate what she's been thinking and what she wants to do
but without having to make a change.
Mike, how are you?
Good. How about you, Kody? Very good.
Mike is going to basicallyreconfigure the Coyote Pass property.
And so I want to make five lots.
I'm keeping myself. I'm keeping one for me.
I haven't really discussed this with my wives, necessarily.
Whoa, what?
I don't think it's weird that I have a lot myself.
Why would that be weird?
I was loving the idea of a house right there, but it sounds like
that's not happening anymore.
They just want some power over the decision or something.
I'm just going to walk away from this conversation entirely.
We're gonna all finally meet at the property today.
Kody has finally made the phone call I've been asking him to make for,
like, I don't know, a year and a half, two years,
to get a surveyor out to the property.
I'm just a little bit of a rollercoaster ride myself.
And I'm trying really hard to be positive.
And sometimes I'm more positive than others.
Mike, how are you?
Good. How about you, Kody? Very good.
- Mike, you and I've met. Yes.
So this is my wife Robyn. - Hi, Robyn.
This is my wife Christine. Christine.
My wife Meri. Meri.
- And my wife Janelle. Janelle. Gotcha.
Hey. And yeah, you know there's gonna be a quiz.
I hope I can remember 'em all.
Yeah, I always wonder what the person is thinking
when they get us introduced to them.
It's none of my business.
Any time Kody calls me a wife, I'm good with that.
Let's act as such.
And then maybe things will get to be as such.
Maybe from a distance, we can all see what...
- Sure. -...what you've got to show us.
Mike is going to basically go through the ideas with us
of how we would reconfigure the Coyote Pass property.
I don't like the lot arrangement currently.
We've basically got four lots, and they're not quite in the position
we really want them.
And so I want to make five lots.
I'm keeping one for me.
I'm not gonna have the four wives owning that fifth lot
when I don't even own one.
So I'm just gonna have the fifth lot. It's that simple.
I've had a couple of ideas for what works right now and what works in the future,
and I haven't really discussed this with my wives necessarily.
Gotcha.
The last time that we discussed lots here on the property,
it was not a great discussion.
Kody told me where you guys were all gonna be
and I was going to be back there.
He told me you didn't want that.
You said you didn't like it, so...
Quit making up crap of what I say.
It's a delicate dance.
And Kody's not delicate.
Meri doesn't want to be back here, and so Christine wants...
Which he relayed the conversation wrong.
FYI.
Can I talk for a second, please? - Sure. Got for it.
It's looks like we're like fighting with each other or felt like it.
And then we weren't really.
Anyway, it's just funny.
I'm just gonna number these. This will be one.
This location will be two.
We have three, four, and five total lots.
The lot that would have the pond would most likely
be my lot for full access for family.
That can be done. That can easily be done.
This is a brand-new configuration than
I've ever heard Kody talk about.
When we talked last about this property,
we were talking about four different lots.
If you are all going to own your own house,
why shouldn't I own my own house?
This whole thing that Kody is talking about is a surprise to me.
But I think Kody having his own house is silly.
But I do think that having a fifth home for us
to all to gather at is amazing.
Does that make sense?
Like, honestly, I love my independence.
And when Kody's there for like more than three or four days at my house,
I'm like, "You want to go somewhere?"
I think it's stupid,
Kody talking about having his own house.
I guess he's gonna use it for like family gatherings.
I'm like, "What a waste of money."
You guys all good with that so far?
I guess it really depends on where everybody wants to be.
I have some real concerns about the pond.
I always have.
I don't think it should be on anybody's property.
I just don't understand why the pond is a conversation
because we're all family.
We would all have access to it, wouldn't we?
We will always have access, everybody, if this lot got sold to somebody else,
the lot with the pond, you would still have access to the pond.
It sounds like Kody wants the pond or Janelle wants Kody
to have the pond or somebody wants Kody to have the pond.
I am just confused of why the pond is such a topic of conversation.
I'm like, I don't care. Have the pond property.
I'm not gonna go swim in it, probably, 'cause ew!
I mean, I think I've been pretty vocal about that
I want to have greenhouses and I want to have...
I mean, how do we agree on that?
I've got... for the sake of the...
the greenhouse and Janelle being near the greenhouse
and near the growing area, I was gonna have Janelle
basically right along that edge there.
I want to move forward.
I want to be able to put a visual on it.
Now, Robyn has always made it clear,
she doesn't want to be in the trees at all.
And so I would put her on the farthest lot number five.
Christine and Meri, both of them, you know, whether they're in the trees
or out of the trees, we'll give them the option by putting them
in lots two and three.
And I take a lot one because that's the lot that has the pond
and everybody wants access to the pond.
And thus they'd all have access to the pond because it'll be my property.
The conversations that I've heard about where houses want to be,
this does not allow for the houses that some people want some places.
It's the only configuration I can manage to go, "This works."
I like where Meri is going with this.
I think when she's saying some people, she means me.
I'm just saying.
This is the first time I'm hearing about it.
And I have to digest it because this changes everything already.
I think it's really important as women that we have each other's backs,
and I think there's a lot of times that we don't.
Like, there's a lot that I don't know about Christine.
But I do know that she has said that she wanted this property.
So initially, I was loving the idea of a house right there,
but it sounds like that's not happening anymore.
- Correct. That's what I was saying.
I don't think that from the conversations that I've heard,
this doesn't allow for people to have a house where they wanted it.
Janelle has loved gardening all of her life.
Her and I have always talked about the idea of greenhouses.
She's got to be able to have access to water.
She's got to have access to the grow houses.
I think we work that out really easily by basically having those
grow houses on her lot.
That doesn't allow for that. - Right?
'Cause initially I talked about right there.
But I don't think that's gonna happen anymore, is it?
This is just the first I've heard of this.
So apparently, there is no me in polygamy.
What? Did I say that out loud?
Basically, we really all have to work together, and I just can't be
looking out for myself only.
And I'm trying really hard to be an adult.
Huh? Polyga-me?
It's just more about having the space so I don't have to walk
ten thousand feet all the time to, you know,
the greenhouses or whatever I have.
So I want to be really, really careful here because, yes, the ideal place is right
where Christine had wanted to build her house.
I could be anywhere.
I could be close to the road even.
Would you want to have to walk from here to the garden all the time
when you're wanting to inspect it?
Kody, I don't know if that's where the garden is gonna go.
That is where it's gonna go. - Oh, okay. Well.
At this point, I'm like, "Why does it matter so much
where the greenhouse goes?
Why doesn't it matter where we want to build our houses?"
Mike, is there a better way in your head to subdivide this
for the five lots than I've shown?
From what I hear from all of you...
Well, I should say from what I hear from Kody,
I mean, kind of what...
I think that's the best way to do it.
I really do.
I wonder if Kody already had the conversation with Mike and told him
how he wanted the property to be laid out and said,
"Hey, Mike, is this a good way?"
And Mike is like, "Yes, it is a good way."
And then Kody is like, "Okay, Mike, can you then help sell it to my wives?
Because I think this is best.
And so can you help me?
'Cause, dude, I need a man backing me because these women,
I'm telling you."
I honestly have never thought about being in the trees.
I just assumed everybody would want to be in the trees.
So I just ignored the trees.
I don't want to even commit to anything...
- I'm not committing to anything right now. -...until I walk it.
- Yeah. -'Cause I don't know.
They just want some power over the decision or something that.
Yeah, this is all just new.
I've never thought about anything different than that.
Yeah, it's just a conversation.
If we can walk it, that'd be like my favorite thing in the world
'cause I've been standing here for a really long time.
I'm losing my patience with how they're behaving here
because I don't really care. I just want to get it divided.
I want to make sure that we're just walking the properties,
we're gonna look at them.
And then we need to sit down offline from this conversation
and decide what names. So I know you're going to be like,
"Oh, this is going to be really great, Meri,
don't you want to build here?"
Like, let's just walk them, huh?
- Like, you think? Okay.
I appreciate what Meri is doing.
I'm just over the conversation.
I'm having a hard time holding it all in anyway, and we need to start
walking or I'm going to start crying.
That's what's going to happen here.
If I express myself, I'm just going to cry.
We just want to get there so we can sort of get a view on it all.
It's either walk the property or I'm just going to walk away from this conversation
entirely 'cause this is very frustrating.
I wish that I would not have allowed this family to evolve to this point
to where it's anarchy.
And it's because I sort of don't like being controlled,
so I don't like to control other people.
But I am sick and tired of sitting here negotiating about it.
So our property line is here, right?
So that's kind of the corner edge.
And so if I was to take that and start walking roughly about right here.
It starts slanting, doesn't it?
It's feels like a slant.
But it's not. But it's not.
You go here. You go here.
That's how you have to do plural marriage.
I should wash my hands of this, walk away, and just let them hash it out.
So you're basically on the property line right now?
Roughly.
And this is lot number what?
One. One.
And this is yours.
The only spot is to build is in the trees then, right?
- You can't build on the pond, right? Right.
Lot number one for me isn't even an option because, right now,
it's the lot that has the pond on it.
I'm pretty sure Kody has spoken for this lot right here.
So Kody wants a doghouse.
House.
Freudian slip.
Kody wants a house.
His own house.
And so now we're in lot two.
And then it would go down to the other side of the pond.
Yes. Yeah, I have no problem with lot number two
if that's the way that it goes.
But I know that we're not actually making a decision today.
We're gonna be getting together after we all just kind of wrap our minds
around it all because, you know, I know I'm not the only one that
this property layout is like a new concept to.
So, Kody, I'm going to stay here.
Will you walk to the edge of what might be like two to three?
Yeah. There's the pressure to do something so that
we can get moved on the property.
But then once I do something,
there's nothing but resistance to what I've done.
There's no motivation here for me to continue going through this process
with these ladies.
Ladies, this way. Everybody...
This is personal opinion, right?
But he's got-- but you have also the surveyor knowledge
in it as well.
Well, yeah. Hey!
What the holy hell?
Did you just whistle at us?
We're trying, we're trying to talk to him.
I...
I'm furious at Kody right now anyway and then whistling at me?
Well, yeah. Hey!
That's insulting and rude.
So everything that he says right now,
I'm frankly not going to listen to.
I don't care.
From a practicality standpoint it's gonna, it's gonna be a project
putting it in on 'cause there's gonna be lots of rock on this hill.
- Look at that. I'm just trying to move this along.
Here's the thing, I know darn well that the longer
I let them think about this, the more challenging their questions are gonna be.
It's been two years now
and we have been hashing this
and hashing this and hashing this.
It's been really, really a frustration for me all the way along.
If you built right there, I'm under no illusions that you won't have to...
Right here.
- Could you build right here? A house? - Yes, you could.
Then I'm sold.
This is an awesome lot.
I'd definitely take it.
I know that Christine's been in a little bit of a tough spot
because she's, like, thinking about the idea of moving back to Utah.
So like for her to kind of go, "Sold, I want this!" It's like...
it's cool to hear.
I'm like, "Okay."
I'm telling you, this has been my favorite lot
from the very beginning right here.
Let's get this done. Let's get this figured out.
Like, let's get back together. Yeah.
So is everybody clear on what lot number three is?
Kody's favorite.
- The best spot on the property. Yeah.
The big shebang.
The Big Kahuna, the best ever.
Shoot. Maybe I should build here.
Then he'd come and visit me.
So where's our property line?
Where does it come to?
Do you see that?
I think that's the property line right there.
I mean, honestly, I'm not excited to move on to this property.
But we are.
So I'd like to be excited to move on to this property.
I just have to talk myself into staying constantly now instead of just walking away.
So can I just ask this?
This is about the edge of what lot four based on the new concept?
Correct.
That's quite a lot of land.
The assumed premise of wooded acreage and non-wooded acreage
is that wooded acreage has more value.
Every single time we walk a lot, it's my new favorite lot.
- It is.
I just keep going like--
You can't have them all, Robyn.
So I'm assuming that a four-acre lot with no trees has approximately
the same value as a two-acre lot that has a lot of trees.
What I'm trying to do is get this as fair as I can and put wives
where they're going to be benefited and benefit everybody else.
Everybody owns their lots.
If you guys give me the pond, nobody gets to tell me what I do with it.
If this lot is yours and you don't want to subdivide for your kids,
your kids are screwed.
None of my kids are gonna stay in Flagstaff.
They've all expressed no desire to live here whatsoever.
They're all gonna settle in Utah ironically enough.
Huh?
Just remember, what you do with that lot affects
everybody else in the family.
A COVID lesson.
You know, everybody gets to decide if they mask up,
- but what you do affects everybody else.
Any questions?
Can we hurry before this rain comes?
I don't know what he's talking about.
This has nothing to do with what we're doing right here.
So I'm just gonna stop it right now.
I can't tell him to not say that,
but I'm gonna try to change the subject.
Thanks, Mike. I appreciate it.
- Thank you so much. This has been huge.
Oh, sure thing. Thank you.
Let's see if we can get back to the cars before the rain hits us.
I'm just doing my best to not be emotional.
I'm just trying to let go.
I'm just trying to let go of having my house be where I wanted it.
And so I don't... I mean, okay, that's fine.
Let's just keep going.
I thought we were gonna try and build the cul de sac again,
like we had in Vegas and like, have the four houses like right there
kind of close to each other.
It just sounds really separate.
And I think it's kind of sad, to be honest, you know?
But I'm just not interested anymore.
When it comes to the COVID virus,
I'm not willing to gamble a family member's life.
We've basically quarantined from each other for the past six months.
I'm the only one that's going from home to home.
You know what, COVID's brought out is how much
we want to be a family or not.
Wow, are these are the rules you guys follow at your house?
I'm just gonna say it out loud.
These are what she follows.
I know everybody's like suspicious of me will just please stop.
I didn't make up these rules.
Kody is not somebody to be run by one of his wives.
Are you the head of the family?
It's pissing me off they're looking to Robyn like for some kind of approval.
I don't have a head wife in this family.
You good with two?
- You good with three? Yes.
We're all getting together to discuss the lots on the property.
The best that I can give today is just to pretend.
I don't want to move on the property.
I want to move back to Utah.
I've heard, like you say, things.
They question if I'm gonna stay.
I've considered everything.
How's my three?
I don't know if Kody even wants to see everybody all together again.
Maybe he's fine, just living separate.
I'm at my wit's end with this whole stuff.
It's made me feel like the foundation that our family
was built on is, like, crumbling.
I don't know.
I would move to Utah in a heartbeat.
Are you kidding me? Is it on the table still?
This is a woman who hasn't heard us all say no.
I'm not gonna talk to you.
Why would I want to live
on the same property with a dysfunctional marriage,
where right over there, he's got a full functioning marriage?
Who would ever want to live like that?