1 00:00:02,469 --> 00:00:05,137 [narrator] Previously on Sister Wives... 2 00:00:05,238 --> 00:00:09,375 Okay, so guys, Hunter is coming home tomorrow. 3 00:00:09,476 --> 00:00:11,910 I'm about ready to psychologically lose it 4 00:00:12,012 --> 00:00:14,146 if we don't start getting together soon. 5 00:00:14,247 --> 00:00:17,683 You know, CDC is telling you not to get into groups bigger than, like, 6 00:00:17,784 --> 00:00:19,385 10 or eight something? 7 00:00:19,486 --> 00:00:21,620 I don't know what the answer is here. 8 00:00:21,721 --> 00:00:25,691 The conversations with the five of us, I go home with a stomach ache. 9 00:00:25,792 --> 00:00:30,295 This pandemic has sort of underscored this breakdown 10 00:00:30,397 --> 00:00:32,898 in how we communicate with each other as adults. 11 00:00:34,501 --> 00:00:39,505 More than anything with Kody is, I don't feel like I'm very important to him. 12 00:00:41,708 --> 00:00:46,378 Some of the difficulties we have in plural marriage may be unreconcilable. 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,481 I just don't know what this means for our future. 14 00:00:49,582 --> 00:00:55,421 Meri, I have a very difficult time, like, visualizing us in the future. 15 00:00:55,522 --> 00:00:59,458 Dude, you've got four wives and 18 kids. 16 00:00:59,559 --> 00:01:01,894 You're just gonna pick and choose who you're gonna keep? 17 00:01:29,556 --> 00:01:32,591 Ever since COVID-19 hit, we lost our film crew 18 00:01:32,692 --> 00:01:34,526 because they can't afford to be exposed. 19 00:01:35,728 --> 00:01:38,597 It's all backwards 'cause I'm filming backwards. 20 00:01:38,698 --> 00:01:42,301 So, first there... Mm-hmm. 21 00:01:42,402 --> 00:01:46,672 We are now using our little phones. 22 00:01:46,773 --> 00:01:48,607 And our, uh, tripods. 23 00:01:48,708 --> 00:01:51,710 And we are trying to record ourselves. 24 00:01:51,811 --> 00:01:53,312 We don't know what we're doin'. 25 00:01:59,085 --> 00:02:01,887 Well, the pandemic's been goin' on for about seven weeks. 26 00:02:03,289 --> 00:02:05,224 [Kody] The numbers are climbing. 27 00:02:05,325 --> 00:02:07,893 I'm the only one that's going from home to home. 28 00:02:09,395 --> 00:02:11,430 So today, I'm meeting with my wives. 29 00:02:12,065 --> 00:02:13,465 Outta Coyote Pass. 30 00:02:13,566 --> 00:02:18,871 Today, we're getting together and having a socially distant picnic. 31 00:02:18,972 --> 00:02:20,506 [Kody] Hopefully, this works. 32 00:02:20,607 --> 00:02:24,776 Um, Hunter's home now and he's gonna be coming with Janelle. 33 00:02:24,878 --> 00:02:29,781 [Janelle] Hunter has come home from Air Force Academy. He's graduated. 34 00:02:29,883 --> 00:02:33,919 Gathering as a family and being around the family is a big deal to Hunter. 35 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:36,155 And it's really sad because right now, we don't know 36 00:02:36,256 --> 00:02:37,356 how that's gonna go. 37 00:02:38,358 --> 00:02:40,025 - [Kody] Hi! - [Janelle] Hi! 38 00:02:40,126 --> 00:02:41,493 Hi, Hunter! 39 00:02:41,594 --> 00:02:44,730 [Janelle] We sort of figured we would set up our lawn chairs... 40 00:02:44,831 --> 00:02:47,633 and visit. But stay socially distanced. 41 00:02:47,734 --> 00:02:48,800 - Well, I'm hungry. - Can I, uh... 42 00:02:48,902 --> 00:02:50,135 I'm not ready to, like, melt down. 43 00:02:50,236 --> 00:02:51,737 I brought myself a sandwich. 44 00:02:52,272 --> 00:02:53,872 I made salmon patties. 45 00:02:53,973 --> 00:02:56,175 - That sounds fantastic. - ...you have to get 'em off the ground. 46 00:02:56,276 --> 00:02:59,144 - You want one? - Yeah, I'll try it. 47 00:02:59,245 --> 00:03:00,712 - It's thousands of dollars. - Six feet! 48 00:03:00,813 --> 00:03:02,514 - Six feet. - I'm really not worried about it. 49 00:03:02,615 --> 00:03:04,483 - I know. - I tested negative, so... 50 00:03:04,584 --> 00:03:07,486 [Meri] I absolutely think that we need to keep our distance from each other. 51 00:03:07,587 --> 00:03:10,722 I'm kinda following the guidance of Kody. 52 00:03:10,823 --> 00:03:12,558 I'm good to just stay home. 53 00:03:12,659 --> 00:03:16,295 And I'm good to just sit out six feet apart on the property. 54 00:03:16,396 --> 00:03:19,431 I know that Kody wants everybody to stay apart. 55 00:03:19,532 --> 00:03:22,301 Hunter's gonna come over anyway. 56 00:03:22,402 --> 00:03:24,536 Okay, so if you're not worried about it, 57 00:03:24,637 --> 00:03:26,004 who's not worried about it? 58 00:03:26,105 --> 00:03:28,373 I wouldn't go home if, like, don't come within six-feet of me mom, 59 00:03:28,474 --> 00:03:31,043 like, we're all in the same house, 'cause at that point it doesn't matter. 60 00:03:31,144 --> 00:03:32,711 So, my doctor told me... 61 00:03:33,613 --> 00:03:37,416 "Do you want to have a child or not?" 62 00:03:37,517 --> 00:03:41,720 The only pure prevention from having a child 63 00:03:41,821 --> 00:03:44,089 is not having sex. 64 00:03:44,190 --> 00:03:47,659 So, if you don't want to get the disease, you cannot interact 65 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,561 with other people. 66 00:03:49,662 --> 00:03:53,165 I think what he's saying is a absolutely perfect analogy. 67 00:03:54,834 --> 00:03:56,868 Wearing a mask, wearing gloves, 68 00:03:56,970 --> 00:03:59,871 - you know, she used... - That won't prevent pregnancy, wearing a mask. 69 00:03:59,973 --> 00:04:03,809 - [Kody] Well, I will say... - [speaking] 70 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:05,744 - [indistinct chatter] - [Kody] It's an analogy. 71 00:04:05,812 --> 00:04:09,982 If you want to cheat a little bit, you need to take the precautions. 72 00:04:10,083 --> 00:04:11,717 It's a perfect analogy. 73 00:04:11,818 --> 00:04:15,120 I don't have a problem at all with everybody getting together. 74 00:04:15,221 --> 00:04:16,855 - The family getting together at all. - It's the psychology. 75 00:04:16,956 --> 00:04:19,891 Well, I don't mind. I don't mind at all. And I would love it. I would love it. 76 00:04:19,993 --> 00:04:23,629 But I think that we do need to look out. You don't want to at all? 77 00:04:23,730 --> 00:04:25,330 It's not that I want to. 78 00:04:25,431 --> 00:04:30,168 I'm still struggling with the fact that we're not taking advantage of this time. 79 00:04:30,236 --> 00:04:32,304 I'm not saying I don't want to get together. 80 00:04:32,405 --> 00:04:37,109 If lives are at stake here, that's gotta be the most important thing, right? 81 00:04:37,210 --> 00:04:40,812 [Kody] But if Hunter, you wanted to see everybody after your two weeks, 82 00:04:40,913 --> 00:04:44,916 you going from house to house now increases that risk by double 83 00:04:45,018 --> 00:04:46,718 what the risk was with just me going. 84 00:04:46,786 --> 00:04:48,353 To me, it's like if we're all quarantined 85 00:04:48,454 --> 00:04:50,055 we assume that nobody has the disease. 86 00:04:50,156 --> 00:04:53,125 So I don't get why that increases the risk. 87 00:04:53,226 --> 00:04:56,762 If everybody's home, there's no exposure. 88 00:04:56,863 --> 00:04:59,064 Janelle's got Garrison working, 89 00:04:59,165 --> 00:05:01,600 and involved in a social life. 90 00:05:01,701 --> 00:05:04,036 And Gabriel is also involved in a social life. 91 00:05:04,137 --> 00:05:05,304 I believe he's got a girlfriend. 92 00:05:05,405 --> 00:05:07,606 I do not think the family should get together. 93 00:05:07,707 --> 00:05:10,575 You're saying that we're gonna have to stay this way the whole summer? 94 00:05:10,677 --> 00:05:13,712 I'm not saying that. You're jumping to conclusions. 95 00:05:13,813 --> 00:05:19,484 Some of the attitudes I'm getting from the family don't give me peace 96 00:05:19,552 --> 00:05:22,821 about their behavior when I'm not around. 97 00:05:22,922 --> 00:05:27,993 I'm sitting here questioning whether I should even be going from house to house. 98 00:05:30,663 --> 00:05:31,997 [Janelle] Then what the hell are you saying? 99 00:05:32,098 --> 00:05:34,299 That there's no way that we could ever be safe? 100 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,601 With more than one person moving around? 101 00:05:36,703 --> 00:05:39,604 Well, he's saying that we will live the way that we're living now 102 00:05:39,706 --> 00:05:42,007 for indefinitely until this thing is over. 103 00:05:42,108 --> 00:05:44,743 Me going from house to house is the... 104 00:05:44,844 --> 00:05:46,345 one safe thing. 105 00:05:46,446 --> 00:05:49,715 I've had pneumonia. I'm a high risk because I've had pneumonia. 106 00:05:49,816 --> 00:05:52,351 I actually believe that there are other members of our family 107 00:05:52,452 --> 00:05:54,152 that are high risks too. 108 00:05:54,253 --> 00:05:56,455 I don't know if it's my place to say it. 109 00:05:56,556 --> 00:06:00,359 If you do get it, and if you do get a heavy case of the, 110 00:06:00,460 --> 00:06:02,361 uh, strong case of it... 111 00:06:02,462 --> 00:06:06,965 It will change your life forever. 112 00:06:07,033 --> 00:06:10,435 - Okay, I'm just trying to... - That's so Will. 113 00:06:10,536 --> 00:06:12,003 That's so Will. 114 00:06:12,105 --> 00:06:14,306 He's turned into his father here, 115 00:06:14,407 --> 00:06:15,607 he was always like... 116 00:06:15,708 --> 00:06:18,110 Yeah. I just was like wow! 117 00:06:18,211 --> 00:06:19,811 Look, I get all the facts, Kody. 118 00:06:19,912 --> 00:06:21,546 But I want you to hear this one thing. 119 00:06:21,647 --> 00:06:23,014 [Janelle] No, you've been telling me over and over again. 120 00:06:23,116 --> 00:06:25,350 This sickness, if you get the heavy duty one, 121 00:06:25,451 --> 00:06:26,952 it's like a concussion. 122 00:06:27,053 --> 00:06:29,654 It will change who you are. 123 00:06:29,756 --> 00:06:31,790 It's not gonna change who you are. 124 00:06:31,891 --> 00:06:34,993 Like, it could... can you imagine me not being able to work out, 125 00:06:35,094 --> 00:06:36,161 not being able to exercise? 126 00:06:36,262 --> 00:06:38,029 [overlapping chatter] 127 00:06:38,131 --> 00:06:39,598 ...you're making it sound like, Dad, I'm gonna be 128 00:06:39,699 --> 00:06:41,633 a schizophrenic for the rest of my life. 129 00:06:41,734 --> 00:06:43,702 I don't know what the virus is about. 130 00:06:43,803 --> 00:06:46,071 I don't know how deadly it is going to be. 131 00:06:46,172 --> 00:06:48,306 So you're talking about no summer, no holidays, 132 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:50,108 no Christmas, nothing together? 133 00:06:50,209 --> 00:06:53,745 You're jumping to the end, and we don't know. 134 00:06:53,846 --> 00:06:57,582 Why don't we just wait two weeks and then have the discussion again? 135 00:06:57,683 --> 00:06:59,885 "Well, we'll get together when it's safe." 136 00:06:59,986 --> 00:07:02,954 We'll be lucky if we have a family at the end of that time. 137 00:07:05,124 --> 00:07:08,093 I... just feel this is my whole freaking life. 138 00:07:08,194 --> 00:07:12,931 The BS of plural marriage is "you love her more, so you're over there." 139 00:07:13,032 --> 00:07:17,135 [Kody] I love everybody, and so I'm not spreading the disease. 140 00:07:17,236 --> 00:07:22,073 You're making choices that make it so that I'm not coming over. 141 00:07:22,175 --> 00:07:28,213 I think polygamy is making COVID harder just because Kody has to stay separate. 142 00:07:28,314 --> 00:07:30,982 Like, we have to have separate family groups right now, 143 00:07:31,083 --> 00:07:33,218 which is something that none of us ever wanted. 144 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:37,022 I think that whatever issues might be happening 145 00:07:37,123 --> 00:07:39,357 between him and any of his wives, 146 00:07:39,792 --> 00:07:41,193 um, 147 00:07:41,294 --> 00:07:43,462 my guess is that... 148 00:07:44,464 --> 00:07:48,300 COVID is just expounding on those issues. 149 00:07:48,401 --> 00:07:50,669 I absolutely cannot do this. 150 00:07:50,770 --> 00:07:54,473 I might as well pack up and go to Maddy in North Carolina for the summer. 151 00:07:56,542 --> 00:07:59,544 [Robyn] We could lose a family member, is that gonna be worth a couple of parties 152 00:07:59,645 --> 00:08:00,912 that we have? 153 00:08:01,013 --> 00:08:03,181 Okay, so we reconvene again in a couple of weeks? 154 00:08:03,316 --> 00:08:04,483 Yeah. 155 00:08:04,584 --> 00:08:06,818 Ideally, Hunter would like to see everybody all together. 156 00:08:09,622 --> 00:08:14,726 He feels like the differences between where he and Kody are on precautions 157 00:08:14,827 --> 00:08:18,697 about COVID are so far apart that 158 00:08:18,798 --> 00:08:21,032 I think he feels this push to see his siblings 159 00:08:21,133 --> 00:08:24,169 before he goes back on to his next duty station 160 00:08:24,270 --> 00:08:26,605 and probably doesn't come home again for a long time. 161 00:08:28,941 --> 00:08:33,278 Those two. "Oh, Dad. You know. You're so stupid, Dad. 162 00:08:33,379 --> 00:08:35,614 I'd rather be around the kids than you anyway." 163 00:08:35,715 --> 00:08:37,682 This is how it feels to me. 164 00:08:40,686 --> 00:08:42,354 [Kody] I'm just gonna do what I'm gonna do. 165 00:08:42,455 --> 00:08:43,889 And you guys all choose. 166 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:46,024 And if you don't choose my standards, 167 00:08:46,125 --> 00:08:47,692 then I won't be around you. 168 00:08:50,696 --> 00:08:54,766 I think there's gonna be tolls higher than any risk of virus. 169 00:08:54,867 --> 00:08:57,802 [Janelle] We've spent our whole family life 170 00:08:57,904 --> 00:09:00,038 trying to build a one family culture. 171 00:09:00,139 --> 00:09:02,073 And this could tear that apart. 172 00:09:04,477 --> 00:09:09,281 [Christine] So, all of us adults just went out onto the property... the property. 173 00:09:09,382 --> 00:09:11,116 About COVID and what we're gonna do. 174 00:09:11,217 --> 00:09:13,018 And basically, what we're gonna do is the same 175 00:09:13,119 --> 00:09:15,320 as what we're doing and Janelle is really struggling with it, 176 00:09:15,421 --> 00:09:17,756 Meri is struggling with it, my girls are struggling with it. 177 00:09:17,857 --> 00:09:20,292 More than anything, I just don't like going to the property. 178 00:09:20,393 --> 00:09:23,128 I just really want to move back to Utah. 179 00:09:23,229 --> 00:09:26,197 I think that we need the support of being around a plural community 180 00:09:26,299 --> 00:09:27,732 now more than ever. 181 00:09:27,833 --> 00:09:31,002 Um, with our family being separated like it is, 182 00:09:31,103 --> 00:09:34,439 with Kody going super dark about polygamy in general, 183 00:09:34,540 --> 00:09:36,775 I think us living in Utah right now, 184 00:09:36,876 --> 00:09:38,610 just makes a lot more sense. 185 00:09:38,711 --> 00:09:42,013 So yeah, I mean, I think right now is a perfect time to talk about moving back to Utah. 186 00:09:44,684 --> 00:09:48,253 All right, we are driving to graduation. 187 00:09:48,354 --> 00:09:49,821 Christine's taking the kids to Utah, 188 00:09:49,889 --> 00:09:51,790 because she wants to celebrate the graduation. 189 00:09:51,891 --> 00:09:55,226 I don't understand why she feels like this is okay. 190 00:09:55,328 --> 00:09:57,729 A little bit of distance for Kody and I is okay. 191 00:09:57,830 --> 00:09:59,798 Things are just hard at home when he's there. 192 00:10:08,708 --> 00:10:12,077 Okay, two cups flour. Baking powder. 193 00:10:12,178 --> 00:10:15,513 So, while Mom is here, we have decided we're gonna 194 00:10:15,615 --> 00:10:18,450 kind of try out and perfect some recipes 195 00:10:18,551 --> 00:10:20,552 that we've been playing around with for the bed and breakfast. 196 00:10:20,653 --> 00:10:22,621 - Say hi, Mom. - Hi. 197 00:10:23,756 --> 00:10:25,924 Mom's been here with me for a couple of weeks, 198 00:10:26,025 --> 00:10:29,361 while Mariah and Audrey are at the bed and breakfast. 199 00:10:30,229 --> 00:10:31,763 Kind of running that for us. 200 00:10:31,864 --> 00:10:35,634 [Meri] You should probably film me as I walk around doing stuff, Mom. 201 00:10:35,735 --> 00:10:39,938 Just...[chuckling] 202 00:10:42,274 --> 00:10:45,076 I am the star, Mom. 203 00:10:45,177 --> 00:10:49,180 You know, COVID has basically changed everything in our lives. 204 00:10:49,281 --> 00:10:53,952 Including how we document everything in our lives. 205 00:10:54,053 --> 00:10:57,956 We're not necessarily the best camera people in the world, so... 206 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:00,125 it's kind of interesting. 207 00:11:00,826 --> 00:11:03,762 They look kind of amazing 208 00:11:03,863 --> 00:11:05,930 So, we're going to let these biscuits cool 209 00:11:06,032 --> 00:11:07,966 but in the meantime, we're just going to call 210 00:11:08,067 --> 00:11:11,202 Mariah and Audrey and just kind of check up with them 211 00:11:11,303 --> 00:11:12,537 and see how things are going. 212 00:11:12,638 --> 00:11:14,673 [call ringing] 213 00:11:14,774 --> 00:11:16,608 Hi! 214 00:11:16,709 --> 00:11:19,477 - Hi, there. How's it going? - Hi. 215 00:11:19,578 --> 00:11:22,147 I'm Face Timing me, holding an Iphone. 216 00:11:22,248 --> 00:11:25,283 [chuckling] I guess that's what we're supposed to be doing, huh. 217 00:11:25,384 --> 00:11:26,951 Let's just be real. 218 00:11:27,053 --> 00:11:30,955 I am technologically illiterate. 219 00:11:31,057 --> 00:11:34,492 That's the wrong angle and I have to hold it this way. 220 00:11:35,361 --> 00:11:37,195 [exhales] Freaking "A," man. 221 00:11:37,296 --> 00:11:39,230 [exhales] This is stressing me out. 222 00:11:39,331 --> 00:11:42,100 I don't know half of the time what I'm doing with my phone. 223 00:11:42,201 --> 00:11:45,537 Freaking "A," man. I didn't push "start" again. 224 00:11:45,638 --> 00:11:47,739 - My gosh. - Or does it stop by itself? 225 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,474 It shouldn't stop by itself. 226 00:11:49,575 --> 00:11:52,010 You push it one time. 227 00:11:52,111 --> 00:11:55,313 "Stop." "Start." Wait, which one is it? [chuckles] 228 00:11:55,414 --> 00:11:57,649 How's everything going at the bed and breakfast? 229 00:11:57,750 --> 00:12:00,118 It's pretty good. It's pretty chill. 230 00:12:00,219 --> 00:12:05,223 I mean, you could easily just stay there. 231 00:12:05,324 --> 00:12:08,526 -[chuckling] -Until you moved in. I'm just saying. 232 00:12:08,627 --> 00:12:11,096 I did not want to stay there forever. 233 00:12:11,197 --> 00:12:14,232 I mean, I do love it, It's really exciting to be in a place 234 00:12:14,333 --> 00:12:16,201 that is so in my family. 235 00:12:16,302 --> 00:12:18,002 - Yeah. - Um, but she wants us 236 00:12:18,104 --> 00:12:19,404 to stay here forever. 237 00:12:19,505 --> 00:12:21,539 Well, I did just apply for a job the other day, 238 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,041 - so I can't stay for... - [Meri] Oh, yeah? 239 00:12:23,142 --> 00:12:25,443 We don't know for sure how long they're going 240 00:12:25,544 --> 00:12:28,279 to be there but they will be going up to Salt Lake, 241 00:12:28,380 --> 00:12:33,251 Mariah will be finishing up her degree in social work and social justice, 242 00:12:33,352 --> 00:12:36,321 and then she plans on getting a job in that field. 243 00:12:36,422 --> 00:12:38,790 That just makes me happy that you're enjoying it. 244 00:12:38,891 --> 00:12:40,425 - Yeah. - It's like being stuck in paradise 245 00:12:40,526 --> 00:12:41,926 it's fine, I'm enjoying it. 246 00:12:42,027 --> 00:12:44,429 Right before everything started, 247 00:12:44,530 --> 00:12:46,798 we went and looked at some wedding venues. 248 00:12:46,899 --> 00:12:49,000 But we kind of haven't really been able to make a decision. 249 00:12:49,101 --> 00:12:51,469 We're not sure whatever-- What's going on, 250 00:12:51,570 --> 00:12:53,638 like, there's a pandemic, like, everyone's moving 251 00:12:53,739 --> 00:12:55,774 their weddings till next year, so we're just 252 00:12:55,875 --> 00:12:58,476 still floating around trying to figure it out. 253 00:12:59,478 --> 00:13:01,446 - All right, I love you. - Love you. 254 00:13:01,547 --> 00:13:02,547 - Love you, guys. - Bye. 255 00:13:02,648 --> 00:13:03,715 [Mariah] Bye. 256 00:13:03,816 --> 00:13:06,484 It's always good to check in with Mariah and Audrey 257 00:13:06,585 --> 00:13:09,454 and I'm glad that they're enjoying it. 258 00:13:15,861 --> 00:13:19,297 So I've talked to Christine and Robyn individually 259 00:13:19,398 --> 00:13:22,534 about my thoughts that we need to communicate better 260 00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:24,235 What we've been doing, hasn't been working 261 00:13:24,336 --> 00:13:26,538 so I'd like to try something different. 262 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:29,507 And I guess the communication is the biggest piece of it. 263 00:13:29,608 --> 00:13:31,342 - So... - I think so too. 264 00:13:31,443 --> 00:13:34,412 I mean, you're talking about changing the way we communicate. 265 00:13:34,513 --> 00:13:37,882 I would love to change it dramatically. 266 00:13:37,983 --> 00:13:41,085 So today, I'm going to go talk to Meri about 267 00:13:41,187 --> 00:13:43,188 what I've been thinking and then the next step 268 00:13:43,289 --> 00:13:44,789 will be to get us all together. 269 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:49,093 So, I'm actually going around, talking to everybody 270 00:13:49,195 --> 00:13:51,296 just because I think 271 00:13:51,397 --> 00:13:54,799 we need to figure out ground rules for conversation. 272 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:59,437 Because we don't do conversations very well. 273 00:13:59,538 --> 00:14:00,905 No, we don't. 274 00:14:01,006 --> 00:14:03,208 What is, um... 275 00:14:04,910 --> 00:14:06,678 driving this conversation for you? 276 00:14:06,779 --> 00:14:09,914 I don't think we make progress when we have conversations. 277 00:14:10,015 --> 00:14:11,649 And I think that's why it takes us so long, 278 00:14:11,750 --> 00:14:13,418 because we don't ever really make progress, 279 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:16,154 we just keep talking, talking, talking, talking, talking. 280 00:14:16,255 --> 00:14:19,257 Meri always gives these answers that are sort of like, 281 00:14:19,892 --> 00:14:21,659 non-committal. 282 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,195 So I'm just trying to take her temperature 283 00:14:24,296 --> 00:14:26,297 and make sure she's understanding what I'm asking her. 284 00:14:27,333 --> 00:14:29,100 I mean, do you see kind of, my idea? 285 00:14:29,201 --> 00:14:30,435 Do you think it has value? 286 00:14:30,536 --> 00:14:32,737 Yeah, I think that it does. 287 00:14:34,139 --> 00:14:36,941 I think our, um... 288 00:14:37,042 --> 00:14:40,278 tendency is, if it gets hard, we just don't talk about it 289 00:14:40,379 --> 00:14:41,980 - or we just never talk about it. - No, right. 290 00:14:42,081 --> 00:14:44,148 And it's, everybody else will talk about it, 291 00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:46,951 about me, or we'll all talk about it, 292 00:14:47,052 --> 00:14:48,953 - about you, or whatever the case is... - No, right. 293 00:14:49,054 --> 00:14:51,623 But people don't talk 294 00:14:51,724 --> 00:14:54,292 to who needs to be talked to. 295 00:14:54,393 --> 00:14:57,795 If there was more conversations happening, 296 00:14:57,897 --> 00:15:03,134 With the people involved rather than behind backs, 297 00:15:03,235 --> 00:15:06,337 I think relationships could heal. 298 00:15:06,438 --> 00:15:08,673 So, that's why I think I fundamentally want to work, 299 00:15:08,774 --> 00:15:11,509 I want to propose that we work on. 300 00:15:11,610 --> 00:15:12,977 It's not me saying that we have to work on it. 301 00:15:13,078 --> 00:15:15,213 I want to propose that we work on this. 302 00:15:15,314 --> 00:15:18,116 Mmm-hmm. I'm cool with that. 303 00:15:18,217 --> 00:15:21,286 So, what I'm proposing is that we all five get together 304 00:15:21,387 --> 00:15:26,291 and we talk about rules for when we sit down 305 00:15:26,392 --> 00:15:28,226 and actually try to talk about something. 306 00:15:29,194 --> 00:15:30,862 All right, well, it'll be [sighs] 307 00:15:30,963 --> 00:15:33,798 an interesting conversation. 308 00:15:33,899 --> 00:15:37,368 I appreciate Janelle's interest in starting this conversation 309 00:15:37,469 --> 00:15:39,637 It's kind of hard for me to speak to this at this point 310 00:15:39,738 --> 00:15:44,909 because I am not in really 311 00:15:45,010 --> 00:15:47,512 a husband-wife relationship with Kody. 312 00:15:47,613 --> 00:15:49,781 You know, we don't talk about things. 313 00:15:49,882 --> 00:15:51,783 It's just where we are. 314 00:15:55,087 --> 00:15:57,889 The whole family is just, you know, been through a lot. 315 00:15:58,657 --> 00:16:00,925 I just feel very cautious. 316 00:16:07,166 --> 00:16:11,035 All right, we are driving to graduation. 317 00:16:11,136 --> 00:16:13,972 Christine's already there with her kids for Gwendlyn. 318 00:16:14,073 --> 00:16:17,809 So, today is Aurora and Gwendlyn's high school graduation. 319 00:16:18,344 --> 00:16:20,044 Are you nervous? 320 00:16:20,145 --> 00:16:22,380 I mean, well, it's my graduation, 321 00:16:22,481 --> 00:16:24,682 - so, there's definitely butterflies. - [child chattering] 322 00:16:24,783 --> 00:16:28,252 Christine is driving Gwendlyn and I'll be driving Aurora. 323 00:16:28,354 --> 00:16:31,022 We're super excited. Super excited. 324 00:16:31,123 --> 00:16:33,224 They have the most awesome graduation. 325 00:16:33,325 --> 00:16:36,227 It's a parade in our cars. 326 00:16:39,865 --> 00:16:42,133 [Robyn] It's really important to me to make sure 327 00:16:42,201 --> 00:16:46,938 that we make this graduation just kind of big as it can possibly be. 328 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:48,573 Because it's not the normal thing. 329 00:16:52,544 --> 00:16:54,012 [Christine] She loved her graduation. 330 00:16:54,113 --> 00:16:55,880 As soon as we turned on to the road 331 00:16:55,981 --> 00:16:59,650 where it all went down, she just had a great time. 332 00:17:00,319 --> 00:17:01,319 [Kody] Are next. 333 00:17:01,420 --> 00:17:02,653 - Congratulations! - [giggles] 334 00:17:02,755 --> 00:17:05,056 [Kody] Aurora has an ear to ear grin. 335 00:17:05,157 --> 00:17:07,425 But this might be the first and only class 336 00:17:07,526 --> 00:17:09,861 that ever graduated in their cars. 337 00:17:09,962 --> 00:17:10,928 It's cool. 338 00:17:12,231 --> 00:17:14,866 Well, it's the end of graduation day. 339 00:17:14,933 --> 00:17:16,801 [Christen] I asked Gwendlyn what she wanted to do for graduation. 340 00:17:16,902 --> 00:17:19,303 She says she just wanted to leave town. 341 00:17:19,405 --> 00:17:22,340 So, we're just going to go and have a good time. 342 00:17:22,441 --> 00:17:24,275 We'll be super, super careful though. 343 00:17:24,376 --> 00:17:26,644 - Graduations' over. Cool. - [Aurora] Whoo! 344 00:17:26,745 --> 00:17:28,079 - We made it! - [Gwendlyn] We made it. 345 00:17:28,180 --> 00:17:30,048 [Kody] Christine's taking the kids to Utah 346 00:17:30,149 --> 00:17:32,016 because she wants to celebrate the graduation 347 00:17:32,117 --> 00:17:33,584 with people I told not to come 348 00:17:33,685 --> 00:17:34,986 because I didn't want to be spreading, 349 00:17:35,087 --> 00:17:36,554 you know, the risk of COVID. 350 00:17:36,655 --> 00:17:39,357 And it's a frustration to me that I feel a little bit undermined, 351 00:17:39,458 --> 00:17:42,393 because Christine is doing it anyway. 352 00:17:45,130 --> 00:17:47,465 [Robyn] That means that Kody won't be able to see her for a couple of weeks. 353 00:17:47,566 --> 00:17:49,434 It was a shock to me, 'cause I was like, 354 00:17:49,535 --> 00:17:52,370 "Wait, we're not... we're not supposed to be travelling." 355 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:56,507 She's gonna go do it. 356 00:17:58,310 --> 00:18:00,678 I don't understand why she feels 357 00:18:00,779 --> 00:18:05,516 like this is okay to basically separate our family. 358 00:18:05,617 --> 00:18:07,018 [stutters] Keep our family separated. 359 00:18:10,389 --> 00:18:12,557 [Christen] So things with Kody and I are hard. 360 00:18:12,658 --> 00:18:14,459 It's been really hard between us. 361 00:18:15,260 --> 00:18:18,696 Um, in Flagstaff and here. 362 00:18:18,797 --> 00:18:21,232 And it's been hard for years. Okay, that's not even true. 363 00:18:21,333 --> 00:18:23,034 It's been hard for Kody and I for years. 364 00:18:23,135 --> 00:18:24,836 [indistinct chatter] 365 00:18:24,937 --> 00:18:26,971 [Christine] A little bit of distance for Kody and I is okay. 366 00:18:28,507 --> 00:18:32,176 Just seeing him for a couple of hours a week isn't enough. 367 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:35,980 Things are just hard at home when he's there. 368 00:18:37,716 --> 00:18:40,284 And I don't know what to do. I don't know how to fix it. 369 00:18:40,385 --> 00:18:42,753 And Aspyn and Mich and Mykelti 370 00:18:42,855 --> 00:18:45,890 and Tony and Paedon really want to be around us. 371 00:18:45,991 --> 00:18:49,293 And right now I really just want to be around people 372 00:18:49,394 --> 00:18:52,597 that want to be around me and my girls. 373 00:18:52,698 --> 00:18:53,865 So, that's why we're going. 374 00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:01,973 I've just stopped trying to get the family united 375 00:19:02,074 --> 00:19:03,374 and get us all going in the same direction. 376 00:19:03,475 --> 00:19:05,910 I don't care. You know, sometimes... 377 00:19:06,011 --> 00:19:07,211 [Christine] So, he doesn't care? 378 00:19:07,312 --> 00:19:10,081 Like, it's taking all of my self-control to just stay. 379 00:19:10,182 --> 00:19:11,582 That's ridiculous. 380 00:19:11,683 --> 00:19:12,984 We don't share the same values. 381 00:19:13,085 --> 00:19:14,252 I'm not taking about morals. 382 00:19:14,353 --> 00:19:15,853 Or I'm not talking about religion, 383 00:19:15,954 --> 00:19:17,455 I'm talking about just basic values. 384 00:19:17,556 --> 00:19:20,291 I am in the depths of frustration. 385 00:19:20,826 --> 00:19:22,593 I am in polygamy hell. 386 00:19:32,771 --> 00:19:34,939 So, over the past a little bit 387 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,674 I've had conversations with my Sister Wives 388 00:19:36,775 --> 00:19:40,111 about the effectiveness of our conversation as a family. 389 00:19:41,146 --> 00:19:43,080 So now I'm bringing everybody together 390 00:19:43,182 --> 00:19:44,649 to see if we can figure out 391 00:19:44,750 --> 00:19:48,119 some sort of rules for conversation as a family. 392 00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:54,192 I think that it would be a really good thing to establish some ground rules 393 00:19:54,293 --> 00:19:56,961 because I'm tired of going into conversations 394 00:19:57,095 --> 00:19:59,864 and leaving not feeling like I matter. 395 00:19:59,965 --> 00:20:04,235 I think if we are honest and talk to each other for real 396 00:20:04,336 --> 00:20:05,903 and we're kind and easy, 397 00:20:06,004 --> 00:20:07,305 I think this could help us a lot. 398 00:20:08,607 --> 00:20:11,242 [Meri] I feel like I'm going into this conversation 399 00:20:11,343 --> 00:20:14,845 open and yet slightly guarded. 400 00:20:14,947 --> 00:20:19,317 'Cause you just never know who's going to be kind of in a pissy mood. 401 00:20:19,418 --> 00:20:21,452 Who's going to be on attack, 402 00:20:21,553 --> 00:20:23,221 who's going to be defensive. 403 00:20:23,322 --> 00:20:28,426 You just never know how people are going to be going into a conversation. 404 00:20:28,527 --> 00:20:32,396 Um, well, I don't really have a plan. 405 00:20:32,497 --> 00:20:35,800 I just have gone around and talked to you guys all 406 00:20:35,901 --> 00:20:38,302 individually about what my thoughts were. 407 00:20:38,403 --> 00:20:39,437 Like, what is... 408 00:20:39,538 --> 00:20:41,138 I mean, my idea was to write down 409 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,308 what we all bottom line need from a conversation. 410 00:20:44,409 --> 00:20:46,644 I am not someone who's trained in this. 411 00:20:46,745 --> 00:20:48,346 I have no idea what I'm doing. 412 00:20:48,447 --> 00:20:52,683 So, I just feel like if we all sort of talked about how we communicate. 413 00:20:52,784 --> 00:20:56,087 We need rules for how to have conversations. 414 00:20:56,188 --> 00:20:59,390 I guess I still don't get what we're talking about. 415 00:20:59,491 --> 00:21:00,891 Well, me neither really. 416 00:21:00,993 --> 00:21:02,627 Are we going to talk about our feelings? 417 00:21:02,728 --> 00:21:03,461 - No. - [woman laughing] 418 00:21:03,562 --> 00:21:04,629 [Christine] Communication. 419 00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:07,732 I'm coming to this whole conversation very cynical 420 00:21:07,833 --> 00:21:11,335 'cause I'm extremely discouraged that I can't get my wives to all agree 421 00:21:11,436 --> 00:21:15,473 on one simple thing, preventing the spread of COVID in our family. 422 00:21:16,241 --> 00:21:18,409 And, so, it's pissing me off. 423 00:21:18,510 --> 00:21:20,544 Okay, there's kind of mine I think. I think... 424 00:21:20,646 --> 00:21:24,248 When I boil it down, I need to make sure I'm heard. 425 00:21:24,349 --> 00:21:27,485 I think we've had communication problems for a long time. 426 00:21:27,586 --> 00:21:29,553 You know, my life slowed down a lot 427 00:21:29,655 --> 00:21:32,623 when the COVID shutdown started to happen. 428 00:21:32,724 --> 00:21:34,892 And I had time to do a lot of reflecting 429 00:21:34,993 --> 00:21:37,728 on my own personal communication styles. 430 00:21:37,829 --> 00:21:40,698 And I just began to see a bigger picture, a bigger pattern. 431 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:42,633 [Christen] So, I need to feel important at the end of a conversation. 432 00:21:42,734 --> 00:21:44,135 I feel like sometimes my ideas, 433 00:21:44,236 --> 00:21:45,403 it's just kind of like, 434 00:21:45,504 --> 00:21:47,004 I don't feel like I'm important. 435 00:21:47,105 --> 00:21:49,273 I don't really even have a say. So... 436 00:21:55,414 --> 00:21:57,682 [Janelle] You don't feel heard, but it's also more like 437 00:21:57,783 --> 00:22:00,451 we hear you, but we, sort of, discount your ideas. 438 00:22:00,552 --> 00:22:02,420 Yeah. And everyone just, I mean, assumes 439 00:22:02,521 --> 00:22:03,421 I'm just being a princess, 440 00:22:03,522 --> 00:22:05,990 because I'm not expressing myself well. 441 00:22:06,091 --> 00:22:08,926 I'm not intending to ever be a princess, 442 00:22:09,027 --> 00:22:12,330 but I think I'm seen that way, and it's frustrating. 443 00:22:12,431 --> 00:22:14,031 For the most part in our conversations, 444 00:22:14,132 --> 00:22:17,735 I really do try to speak authentically. 445 00:22:17,836 --> 00:22:19,270 And maybe I'm over dramatic, 446 00:22:19,371 --> 00:22:21,472 or flipping my hair, or something like that, 447 00:22:21,573 --> 00:22:24,442 but it doesn't mean that I don't want to be heard. 448 00:22:24,543 --> 00:22:26,477 I feel like everybody feels that same way. 449 00:22:26,578 --> 00:22:29,146 Like, like, it's a fight constantly 450 00:22:29,247 --> 00:22:33,584 to, like, have an idea even heard, so, you know... 451 00:22:33,685 --> 00:22:35,119 What's your... What are you gonna write down, Kody? 452 00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:37,455 [Kody] Oh, nothing. [Robyn] Yes, you are. 453 00:22:37,556 --> 00:22:38,956 You have to play. 454 00:22:41,526 --> 00:22:43,227 [Kody] Um... 455 00:22:43,328 --> 00:22:45,229 My problem is, I don't want to write anything down there, 456 00:22:45,330 --> 00:22:46,931 'cause I don't give a [bleep] any more. 457 00:22:50,535 --> 00:22:52,069 You know, we've moved here, 458 00:22:52,170 --> 00:22:53,604 we're going through the struggles. 459 00:22:53,705 --> 00:22:55,773 I've been arguing about COVID now 460 00:22:55,874 --> 00:22:57,608 for so long with these ladies. 461 00:22:57,709 --> 00:22:59,910 That's the reason I don't care any more. 462 00:23:00,011 --> 00:23:03,381 I don't enjoy the relationship any more 463 00:23:03,482 --> 00:23:06,684 because it feels like a constant fight. 464 00:23:06,785 --> 00:23:09,220 - I don't. - What do you mean? 465 00:23:09,321 --> 00:23:11,122 Well, every time we get together, 466 00:23:11,223 --> 00:23:13,958 and I try to, or you try to, 467 00:23:14,059 --> 00:23:16,961 or somebody tries to express themselves, 468 00:23:17,062 --> 00:23:19,764 we end up in these really, really bad places. 469 00:23:19,865 --> 00:23:22,600 I think Kody is in, sort of, a darker place today, 470 00:23:22,701 --> 00:23:24,368 but I know he has expressed to me 471 00:23:24,469 --> 00:23:27,037 that he's... He's tired. 472 00:23:27,139 --> 00:23:29,073 He's tired of having to be the middle guy. 473 00:23:29,174 --> 00:23:31,842 He's tired of having to facilitate the conversations. 474 00:23:31,943 --> 00:23:34,812 Well, it feels like most of the times when we meet at home, 475 00:23:34,913 --> 00:23:37,181 or whatever, there's always this 476 00:23:37,282 --> 00:23:41,018 lack of, um, respect for the values of others, so... 477 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:44,054 Um, and I'm just as guilty as everybody else. 478 00:23:44,156 --> 00:23:46,757 Sometimes I don't want to hear an idea. 479 00:23:46,858 --> 00:23:49,193 I don't care, you know, sometimes. 480 00:23:49,294 --> 00:23:51,362 Then why are we here? Why are we doing this? 481 00:23:51,463 --> 00:23:53,597 So, he doesn't care? So, he doesn't care? 482 00:23:53,698 --> 00:23:54,865 He doesn't think that we need to. 483 00:23:54,966 --> 00:23:56,333 He doesn't care about what? 484 00:23:56,435 --> 00:23:58,536 What does he not give a [bleep] about? 485 00:23:58,637 --> 00:24:01,672 Like, it's taking all of my self-control to just stay. 486 00:24:01,773 --> 00:24:03,607 That's ridiculous. 487 00:24:03,708 --> 00:24:07,978 Yeah, I'm cynical, because, um, I'm... 488 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:10,915 I have just stopped trying. 489 00:24:11,049 --> 00:24:14,251 I've just stopped trying to get the family united, 490 00:24:14,352 --> 00:24:15,786 and get us all going in the same direction. 491 00:24:17,122 --> 00:24:18,889 Uh, being sensitive. 492 00:24:18,990 --> 00:24:20,891 And I've just gotten cynical. 493 00:24:20,992 --> 00:24:23,694 I am in the depths of frustration. 494 00:24:24,229 --> 00:24:26,330 I am in polygamy hell. 495 00:24:26,431 --> 00:24:28,432 Because we don't respect each other's values, 496 00:24:28,533 --> 00:24:30,167 or value each other's values, 497 00:24:30,268 --> 00:24:31,869 and realizing the place we're at. 498 00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:33,471 We don't share the same values. 499 00:24:33,572 --> 00:24:34,672 I'm not talking about morals, 500 00:24:34,773 --> 00:24:36,006 or I'm not talking about religion, 501 00:24:36,107 --> 00:24:38,142 I'm talking about just basic values. 502 00:24:38,777 --> 00:24:39,877 We don't share 'em. 503 00:24:39,978 --> 00:24:41,846 Maybe it's my own communication skill. 504 00:24:41,947 --> 00:24:44,248 Maybe it's just crap. 505 00:24:44,349 --> 00:24:45,516 I mean, we've been sitting here, 506 00:24:45,617 --> 00:24:46,917 arguing about this over and over, 507 00:24:47,018 --> 00:24:48,152 and I'm just done with it. 508 00:24:50,655 --> 00:24:56,427 It's scary, because I look at Kody as the head of our family. 509 00:24:56,528 --> 00:24:59,530 And to have the leader just be like, 510 00:24:59,631 --> 00:25:01,265 "Mmm. I don't care any more." 511 00:25:01,366 --> 00:25:03,634 Like, where does that leave us? 512 00:25:03,735 --> 00:25:08,005 I need to do what I can to hold this family together. 513 00:25:08,106 --> 00:25:12,243 And I feel like this is why Janelle is, kind of, coming to these conversations, 514 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:15,980 because she feels like she needs to do what she can 515 00:25:16,081 --> 00:25:17,481 to hold the family together, 516 00:25:17,582 --> 00:25:19,283 'cause it's falling apart. 517 00:25:24,189 --> 00:25:27,424 [sighs] I just feel like the family's falling apart, 518 00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:32,363 and, and it's really, really scary to me. 519 00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:38,435 Honestly, I'm at a point now where I see the family 520 00:25:38,537 --> 00:25:41,138 as an obstacle to, to my own goals. 521 00:25:41,239 --> 00:25:44,742 We're not happy. The five of us are not happy. 522 00:25:44,843 --> 00:25:47,144 My wives say, you know, "If you weren't in the picture," 523 00:25:47,245 --> 00:25:48,712 we would still get along." 524 00:25:48,813 --> 00:25:50,247 That's such bull. 525 00:25:50,348 --> 00:25:53,484 I've seen these women treat each other so [bleep] 526 00:25:53,585 --> 00:25:56,420 for so many years that I can't take it any more. 527 00:26:04,596 --> 00:26:06,363 My problem is I don't want to write anything down there, 528 00:26:06,464 --> 00:26:08,032 'cause I don't give a [bleep] any more. 529 00:26:09,901 --> 00:26:12,903 It's like, if everybody's happy where they're living, great. 530 00:26:13,004 --> 00:26:15,005 We could sell this property, you know? 531 00:26:15,106 --> 00:26:18,108 We are not one family any more. 532 00:26:18,209 --> 00:26:20,210 And in all of our years in Vegas, 533 00:26:20,312 --> 00:26:23,814 we struggled, we struggled to be this one family thing. 534 00:26:23,915 --> 00:26:25,482 And as I go through that process, 535 00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:29,920 I learn how vastly different each part of my family is 536 00:26:30,021 --> 00:26:31,889 and, kind of, has their own values. 537 00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:33,857 Then we get to Flagstaff, 538 00:26:33,959 --> 00:26:37,461 and I feel like I'm not having to struggle with it as much, 539 00:26:37,562 --> 00:26:39,630 because we're not as close together. 540 00:26:39,731 --> 00:26:42,766 I don't see Team Brown any more. 541 00:26:42,867 --> 00:26:45,603 [Janelle] I actually think that we're right on the cusp 542 00:26:45,704 --> 00:26:49,473 of being separate or being together. 543 00:26:49,574 --> 00:26:51,976 In theory, in name, we're all together, one team, 544 00:26:52,077 --> 00:26:53,611 but we're really not working as a team. 545 00:26:54,646 --> 00:26:58,148 Um, I'm going to read you something. 546 00:27:00,685 --> 00:27:02,953 "The Kody Brown family." 547 00:27:03,054 --> 00:27:04,321 [exhales deeply] 548 00:27:04,422 --> 00:27:05,522 Our family is forever joined 549 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:08,192 with the purpose of developing our own divine energy 550 00:27:08,293 --> 00:27:09,960 and raising righteous children. 551 00:27:12,030 --> 00:27:13,664 As sister wives and husband, 552 00:27:13,765 --> 00:27:14,765 we embrace one another 553 00:27:14,866 --> 00:27:16,934 with the covenant of an eternal nature. 554 00:27:17,035 --> 00:27:18,736 We enjoy being together as a family, 555 00:27:18,837 --> 00:27:21,505 because we have developed a safe, peaceful, 556 00:27:21,606 --> 00:27:25,175 "and pleasant atmosphere, where we love and respect one another." 557 00:27:25,276 --> 00:27:27,211 [sniffles] 558 00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:28,579 -Well-- -[Janelle] Our mission statement. 559 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:29,813 That's our mission statement. 560 00:27:30,949 --> 00:27:32,483 [Meri] I love that. 561 00:27:32,817 --> 00:27:34,351 It, um... 562 00:27:36,554 --> 00:27:38,656 reminds me of better times. 563 00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:44,361 I just want our family to get back to that. 564 00:27:45,964 --> 00:27:46,630 [sniffles] 565 00:27:50,535 --> 00:27:53,003 And I get really scared that we're not going to. 566 00:27:54,973 --> 00:27:58,075 We worked really hard on that. Took us months, and months, and months, and months. 567 00:27:58,176 --> 00:28:02,413 And I think it's easier to forget about it. 568 00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:05,783 I think it's easier to do our own thing. 569 00:28:05,884 --> 00:28:09,586 Is it so much work to come back together again 570 00:28:09,688 --> 00:28:11,288 and want to be with each other again? 571 00:28:11,389 --> 00:28:13,223 Is it just too hard? 572 00:28:14,526 --> 00:28:16,894 Our relationships are optional. 573 00:28:16,995 --> 00:28:19,296 I have the family mission statement on purpose. 574 00:28:19,397 --> 00:28:22,366 I brought it on purpose, hoping to inspire everybody. 575 00:28:23,435 --> 00:28:25,269 And I... 576 00:28:26,905 --> 00:28:28,338 I don't know where everybody's at. 577 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,940 Also, I was, kind of, hoping if we could figure out 578 00:28:30,041 --> 00:28:31,008 how to really communicate, 579 00:28:31,109 --> 00:28:33,844 we might, sort of, not seem so hard. 580 00:28:33,945 --> 00:28:36,680 Because, right now, what I'm hearing is that nobody listens, 581 00:28:36,781 --> 00:28:38,782 which, I think, we probably knew. 582 00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:40,684 [Christine] Yeah. Because, like, at the end of a conversation, 583 00:28:40,785 --> 00:28:43,220 I, usually, am nauseous, 584 00:28:43,321 --> 00:28:46,423 and I can't even take care of the girls. 585 00:28:46,524 --> 00:28:48,592 And I just have to go to my room and completely shut down 586 00:28:48,693 --> 00:28:51,829 at the end of most conversations. 587 00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:55,766 This is the first time I'm hearing that it completely wrecks her. 588 00:28:55,867 --> 00:28:58,435 Like, it's been very easy for me to be like, "Whatever. 589 00:28:58,536 --> 00:29:01,238 Grow up. Grow a pair. Whatever." 590 00:29:01,339 --> 00:29:03,741 But I have to really acknowledge that she feels like this. 591 00:29:04,609 --> 00:29:06,610 Kody, you're using the word "values," 592 00:29:06,711 --> 00:29:08,679 and I thought we had the same values, 593 00:29:08,780 --> 00:29:10,748 so that's new for me. 594 00:29:10,849 --> 00:29:14,785 We... For years, we tried doing things together. 595 00:29:16,454 --> 00:29:18,756 In the end, we... I think we just determined 596 00:29:18,857 --> 00:29:21,925 that working together for us wasn't even safe. 597 00:29:22,894 --> 00:29:24,228 And, honestly, I am at a point now 598 00:29:24,329 --> 00:29:27,231 where I see the family, in many ways, 599 00:29:27,332 --> 00:29:29,933 as an obstacle to, to my own goals. 600 00:29:33,037 --> 00:29:36,507 We're not happy. The five of us are not happy. 601 00:29:36,608 --> 00:29:37,908 My wives say, you know, 602 00:29:38,009 --> 00:29:38,909 "If you weren't in the picture, 603 00:29:39,010 --> 00:29:40,477 we would still get along." 604 00:29:40,578 --> 00:29:42,079 That's such bull! 605 00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:45,315 I've seen these women treat each other so [bleep] 606 00:29:45,416 --> 00:29:48,786 for so many years that I can't take it any more. 607 00:29:48,887 --> 00:29:50,087 [Janelle] I'm just looking at Kody like, 608 00:29:50,188 --> 00:29:52,523 "What the hell planet did you come from?" 609 00:29:52,624 --> 00:29:55,225 We're in this plural marriage. You have agreed to this. 610 00:29:55,326 --> 00:29:56,860 Like, but considering your family 611 00:29:56,961 --> 00:29:59,129 an obstacle to his own goals, 612 00:29:59,230 --> 00:30:01,131 well, that's about the most selfish thing I've ever heard. 613 00:30:01,232 --> 00:30:03,534 But... Okay. 614 00:30:05,236 --> 00:30:07,004 In the spirit of communication, 615 00:30:07,105 --> 00:30:10,174 I have to hear him and realize that's where he's at. 616 00:30:10,275 --> 00:30:11,909 Well, we have this, this guidebook, 617 00:30:12,010 --> 00:30:13,544 our family mission statement, 618 00:30:13,645 --> 00:30:15,345 and that is our beacon, so to speak. 619 00:30:15,446 --> 00:30:18,448 That is our goal. This is what we want to accomplish. 620 00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:20,217 But we're so far from it. 621 00:30:24,255 --> 00:30:26,623 It, it feels like hypocrisy. 622 00:30:28,393 --> 00:30:30,727 You know, the children are getting older. 623 00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:33,163 What do I want to do with the rest of my life? 624 00:30:33,264 --> 00:30:35,699 It scares me when Kody talks like that 625 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,534 'cause it makes me feel very alone. 626 00:30:37,635 --> 00:30:40,437 But his attitude is very much like, 627 00:30:40,538 --> 00:30:42,673 "Well, you guys are all making your own decisions." 628 00:30:42,774 --> 00:30:44,675 You're all independent, obviously. 629 00:30:44,776 --> 00:30:47,077 'Cause you're not listening to me, 630 00:30:47,178 --> 00:30:49,646 and you don't want to work as a team any more, 631 00:30:49,747 --> 00:30:52,883 so, then, that frees me of the responsibility 632 00:30:52,984 --> 00:30:55,686 of being captain, I guess you could say, 633 00:30:55,787 --> 00:30:57,621 "and rallying the troops." 634 00:30:57,722 --> 00:30:59,289 It's no fun. And it's scary to me. 635 00:30:59,390 --> 00:31:00,424 I don't like it. 636 00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:02,593 I talk to my mom once a week, 637 00:31:02,694 --> 00:31:04,928 and she has such a great relationship with her sister wife. 638 00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:08,031 That... That's her social group, you know? 639 00:31:08,132 --> 00:31:10,734 And I thought, "Okay. So I can see us." 640 00:31:10,835 --> 00:31:11,969 Like, we're the social group. 641 00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:14,171 This is the social group I want. 642 00:31:14,272 --> 00:31:16,039 But, you know, I don't know what it looks like, guys. 643 00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:17,708 Because without the kids to focus on, 644 00:31:17,809 --> 00:31:19,843 we have to, kind of, rethink what we look like. 645 00:31:19,944 --> 00:31:22,145 You know, I have been feeling very strongly 646 00:31:22,247 --> 00:31:25,449 for the last year, or maybe two, 647 00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:29,052 that with the kids starting to be older and moving out, 648 00:31:29,153 --> 00:31:30,921 that there would be a paradigm shift 649 00:31:31,022 --> 00:31:33,123 in what was the focus of our family. 650 00:31:33,224 --> 00:31:36,293 But we need to all thoughtfully craft 651 00:31:36,394 --> 00:31:38,228 what that group looks like. 652 00:31:38,329 --> 00:31:41,465 You know, my mother with her sister wife, they live on the ranch. 653 00:31:41,566 --> 00:31:43,200 They chose that community. 654 00:31:43,301 --> 00:31:46,470 They felt united in that community. 655 00:31:46,571 --> 00:31:48,705 And I think that was a conscious choice. 656 00:31:48,806 --> 00:31:50,741 And so I want to make that conscious choice, 657 00:31:50,842 --> 00:31:52,709 and I'm hoping everybody else will, too. 658 00:31:52,810 --> 00:31:54,611 Okay. All right. 659 00:31:54,712 --> 00:31:56,280 That, kind of, hit everybody's stuff. 660 00:31:56,381 --> 00:31:58,749 Should I e-mail these all out to you guys before I laminate them? 661 00:31:58,850 --> 00:32:00,717 [Robyn] I think we need to take them, 662 00:32:00,818 --> 00:32:02,653 put them in a little thing in our wallet. 663 00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:04,922 That's exactly... I'm gonna make a little foldable... 664 00:32:05,023 --> 00:32:07,691 Like, you know, sometimes people carry little prayers. 665 00:32:07,792 --> 00:32:08,659 You know, I'm gonna... 666 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,261 I'm gonna do these as a laminated thing. 667 00:32:11,362 --> 00:32:14,898 I love this conversation. I love it so much. 668 00:32:14,966 --> 00:32:18,402 I 100% believe that we've got a good list 669 00:32:18,503 --> 00:32:21,104 of things to follow and remember. 670 00:32:21,205 --> 00:32:25,876 I think, you know, if we just stick to it, we can't go wrong. 671 00:32:25,977 --> 00:32:29,613 I will say that a lot of times when we have conversations, 672 00:32:29,714 --> 00:32:32,049 we start something, but we never finish it. 673 00:32:32,150 --> 00:32:37,988 I would propose that we make a plan to continue it. 674 00:32:38,089 --> 00:32:40,524 I have a specific idea I will bring to you in two weeks. 675 00:32:40,625 --> 00:32:43,760 - Okay. - And we will use these skills. 676 00:32:43,861 --> 00:32:45,929 'Cause it's been a conversation I haven't wanted to have. 677 00:32:46,030 --> 00:32:48,432 I really want to talk to them about moving back to Utah. 678 00:32:48,533 --> 00:32:51,335 I first need to talk to Kody about moving back to Utah. 679 00:32:51,436 --> 00:32:53,770 But before we do anything else on this property, 680 00:32:53,871 --> 00:32:59,142 I really want to ask them how they feel about moving back. 681 00:33:04,882 --> 00:33:05,949 The laws have changed. 682 00:33:06,050 --> 00:33:07,918 One, two, three, four wives said, 683 00:33:08,019 --> 00:33:11,154 "No, we're never moving back to Utah." 684 00:33:11,255 --> 00:33:13,490 She's simply talking about something 685 00:33:13,591 --> 00:33:15,625 that I don't believe works for the whole family. 686 00:33:15,727 --> 00:33:17,594 Not even close. 687 00:33:17,695 --> 00:33:20,664 It's about living with the community again, 688 00:33:20,765 --> 00:33:22,332 living with like-minded people again. 689 00:33:22,433 --> 00:33:26,136 We're living as monogamous in a monogamous world now. 690 00:33:26,237 --> 00:33:27,404 We swore we never would. 691 00:33:38,716 --> 00:33:40,517 [Christine] Five years ago, we sued the state of Utah. 692 00:33:40,618 --> 00:33:43,153 And then, we won for a bit. 693 00:33:43,254 --> 00:33:44,588 And it was decriminalized. 694 00:33:44,689 --> 00:33:46,023 And then, a year later, it wasn't. 695 00:33:46,124 --> 00:33:48,225 Then two years ago, Kody wanted to move back to Utah, 696 00:33:48,326 --> 00:33:49,860 and we were like, "Oh, it's not safe." 697 00:33:49,961 --> 00:33:52,729 The governor of Utah just signed the bill 698 00:33:52,830 --> 00:33:55,532 that makes polygamy decriminalized. 699 00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:57,067 All right. 700 00:33:57,668 --> 00:33:58,835 Okay. 701 00:33:58,936 --> 00:34:01,338 When I heard about the law, 702 00:34:01,439 --> 00:34:03,040 immediately, my first thought was, 703 00:34:03,141 --> 00:34:05,942 "Well, if the law passes, why wouldn't we move back to Utah?" 704 00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:08,245 So I want to talk to Cody about it, too. 705 00:34:08,346 --> 00:34:10,647 Remember when we looked at the property at Coyote Pass 706 00:34:10,748 --> 00:34:12,482 and we heard, like, angels singing. 707 00:34:12,583 --> 00:34:14,851 It was awesome. Fell in love with the place. 708 00:34:14,952 --> 00:34:17,087 I remember saying specifically 709 00:34:18,022 --> 00:34:20,390 that I would definitely move to Flagstaff 710 00:34:20,491 --> 00:34:22,159 unless the laws in Utah changed. 711 00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:26,263 The laws have changed. 712 00:34:26,364 --> 00:34:28,932 - Does that mean anything? - Not to me. 713 00:34:30,368 --> 00:34:32,035 You wouldn't move back? 714 00:34:32,136 --> 00:34:34,704 Christine, my... I have four homes 715 00:34:35,973 --> 00:34:40,043 that shared a backyard in St. George 716 00:34:41,245 --> 00:34:44,214 that I was ready to put an offer on. 717 00:34:44,315 --> 00:34:49,686 This was just a month before I made the presentation to my wives 718 00:34:49,787 --> 00:34:51,221 that we should move out of Las Vegas, 719 00:34:51,322 --> 00:34:53,723 so that we, if we are in agreement, 720 00:34:53,825 --> 00:34:56,626 can make an offer on those four homes that I'd found. 721 00:34:56,727 --> 00:34:58,261 Everybody killed that. 722 00:34:58,362 --> 00:35:00,197 One, two, three, four wives said, 723 00:35:00,298 --> 00:35:04,267 "No, we're never moving back to Utah." 724 00:35:04,368 --> 00:35:06,770 Christine was the most adamant of the four wives 725 00:35:06,871 --> 00:35:08,638 that we were not going to move to Utah. 726 00:35:08,739 --> 00:35:10,774 She was the most dramatic about it. 727 00:35:10,875 --> 00:35:13,543 I thought the reason that my four wives 728 00:35:13,644 --> 00:35:15,979 didn't want to go to Utah was for the sake 729 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,083 of our children's social safety. 730 00:35:20,151 --> 00:35:22,853 That was part of it. I feel like Utah's changed a bit. 731 00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:25,422 You don't? 732 00:35:25,523 --> 00:35:27,858 No, I thought it had, too, 733 00:35:27,959 --> 00:35:30,427 but you guys weren't listening to me. 734 00:35:30,528 --> 00:35:32,796 When we were in Vegas, 735 00:35:32,897 --> 00:35:35,632 the idea of Utah was very scary still 736 00:35:36,868 --> 00:35:37,834 because of the law. 737 00:35:37,935 --> 00:35:40,370 The fear that I was raised with 738 00:35:40,471 --> 00:35:42,906 was what I didn't want to perpetuate in my children. 739 00:35:43,007 --> 00:35:45,175 You know, the fear of the police were not the people 740 00:35:45,276 --> 00:35:47,644 you wanted to ever go to if you were in danger. 741 00:35:47,745 --> 00:35:50,480 Because if the police found out that you lived a plural marriage, 742 00:35:50,581 --> 00:35:52,682 they could come and arrest you. 743 00:35:52,817 --> 00:35:55,385 It was all because of the law. 744 00:35:55,486 --> 00:35:59,156 As soon as the governor signed it, my first thought was, 745 00:35:59,257 --> 00:36:00,423 "We can finally move back home." 746 00:36:00,525 --> 00:36:02,726 - And where would we move to? - And then, 747 00:36:02,827 --> 00:36:05,562 when we went there to look at wedding venues, 748 00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:07,063 - with Mariah and Audrey... - Yeah. 749 00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:09,132 ...did you hear the conversation in the car? 750 00:36:09,967 --> 00:36:11,568 It was all about "I miss it here. 751 00:36:11,669 --> 00:36:13,603 I miss the mountains. I miss being here. 752 00:36:13,704 --> 00:36:16,072 Utah's always going to be home." 753 00:36:16,174 --> 00:36:18,975 That was everybody. All the wives mentioned that. 754 00:36:19,076 --> 00:36:21,545 I think Christine was mistaking my nostalgia 755 00:36:21,646 --> 00:36:23,213 for a desire to move back. 756 00:36:23,314 --> 00:36:25,682 But I don't necessarily think that means that my other wives 757 00:36:25,783 --> 00:36:27,784 want to move back to Utah. 758 00:36:27,885 --> 00:36:29,853 Man, I don't want to move again, 759 00:36:29,954 --> 00:36:31,755 and I don't want to leave Flagstaff. 760 00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:33,990 I mean, this is the neatest place 761 00:36:34,091 --> 00:36:35,992 I've ever lived, I feel like. 762 00:36:36,093 --> 00:36:38,962 [Christine] Family's there. Everybody has family in Utah. 763 00:36:39,063 --> 00:36:41,798 My dad's there. I don't know how long my dad's gonna be around. 764 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,801 You know, my dad's super sick. 765 00:36:47,238 --> 00:36:48,705 He's super sick. 766 00:36:48,806 --> 00:36:52,275 And I would love to be there the last few years of my dad's life. 767 00:36:52,376 --> 00:36:53,977 My kids need to get to know him better. 768 00:36:54,078 --> 00:36:56,479 My dad being there is a really big pull. 769 00:36:56,581 --> 00:36:59,049 My mom's there, sister's there, Aspyn's there. 770 00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:01,418 - Mykelti's there. - Mykelti's there, Paedon's there. 771 00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:02,953 Mariah and Audrey are moving there. 772 00:37:03,054 --> 00:37:05,855 It's about living with the community again, 773 00:37:05,957 --> 00:37:07,757 living with like-minded people again. 774 00:37:07,858 --> 00:37:10,060 It felt so good to go see the Dargers. 775 00:37:10,161 --> 00:37:14,130 How would it be to associate with like-minded people 776 00:37:14,232 --> 00:37:16,066 on a regular basis? 777 00:37:16,167 --> 00:37:19,536 We are living as monogamous in a monogamous world now. 778 00:37:19,637 --> 00:37:21,871 We swore we never would, but we are. 779 00:37:21,973 --> 00:37:23,773 When we went to visit the Dargers, 780 00:37:23,874 --> 00:37:26,009 I felt so normal again. 781 00:37:26,110 --> 00:37:29,980 It made me feel like we weren't so broken. 782 00:37:30,081 --> 00:37:32,082 We haven't done anything on the property. 783 00:37:33,317 --> 00:37:38,355 To me, I'm like, "Let's not. Let's hold it. 784 00:37:38,456 --> 00:37:42,125 Sell it, use that money in a couple of years. 785 00:37:42,226 --> 00:37:43,927 No one wants to move now." 786 00:37:44,829 --> 00:37:46,196 I just... 787 00:37:46,297 --> 00:37:49,332 I, I think she's smoking something. 788 00:37:49,433 --> 00:37:51,968 Unless I'm totally up in the night, 789 00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:53,803 and she's the one that's right, 790 00:37:53,904 --> 00:37:55,171 nobody in this family, 791 00:37:55,273 --> 00:37:58,074 not anybody, not even the kids, 792 00:37:58,175 --> 00:38:00,477 are going to want to move to Utah. 793 00:38:00,578 --> 00:38:02,445 - I don't think-- - I don't think anyone's 794 00:38:02,546 --> 00:38:04,881 going to want to move. I'm not naive in this. 795 00:38:04,982 --> 00:38:06,883 I'm not... What? Stop. 796 00:38:06,984 --> 00:38:09,719 I'm laughing at you very specifically 797 00:38:09,820 --> 00:38:11,521 because I think that I, I just... 798 00:38:11,622 --> 00:38:13,890 I'm like, "Yes, please present this." 799 00:38:13,991 --> 00:38:15,625 Make me look better. 800 00:38:17,228 --> 00:38:20,997 "Uh, get crucified for saying, 'Let's move.'" 801 00:38:21,098 --> 00:38:25,101 I really want to see how the family reacts to this idea 802 00:38:25,202 --> 00:38:26,670 of moving back to Utah. 803 00:38:26,771 --> 00:38:28,371 And I don't want to be the one 804 00:38:28,472 --> 00:38:31,908 getting the rash and the crap for, you know, saying, 805 00:38:32,009 --> 00:38:34,044 "Hey, what about moving back to Utah?" 806 00:38:34,145 --> 00:38:36,713 And just get, "What? Are you nuts?" You know. 807 00:38:36,814 --> 00:38:38,181 I'd rather Christine do that, 808 00:38:38,282 --> 00:38:41,151 and me sit back and watch and see what happens. 809 00:38:41,252 --> 00:38:43,920 I don't think Janelle sees value in St. George. 810 00:38:44,021 --> 00:38:46,389 Meri doesn't see value in St. George. 811 00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:49,526 St. George is as far North as I want to go. 812 00:38:49,627 --> 00:38:52,962 She's simply asking or talking about 813 00:38:53,064 --> 00:38:55,965 something that I don't believe works for the whole family. 814 00:38:56,067 --> 00:38:57,334 Not even close. 815 00:38:57,435 --> 00:38:59,536 Not even close. 816 00:38:59,637 --> 00:39:03,039 I think Robyn, because of her family being there, 817 00:39:03,140 --> 00:39:05,008 you could probably convince her 818 00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:07,844 even though swears, she made me promise 819 00:39:07,945 --> 00:39:09,179 she was never going to move again, you know. 820 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,881 I think he's 821 00:39:11,982 --> 00:39:15,452 entertaining the thought. I think I could sway him. 822 00:39:15,553 --> 00:39:16,986 I think I could sway him to move to Utah. 823 00:39:17,088 --> 00:39:18,755 That's just him. 824 00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:22,492 But I think he would be interested in moving. 825 00:39:22,593 --> 00:39:24,160 I really do. 826 00:39:24,762 --> 00:39:26,162 Gosh. 827 00:39:27,298 --> 00:39:30,300 I am so frustrated by this, Christine. 828 00:39:30,401 --> 00:39:32,569 You're talking about something that I want 829 00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:37,107 that I just refused to even entertain now. 830 00:39:41,779 --> 00:39:44,314 It's an exciting thought, just 'cause 831 00:39:44,415 --> 00:39:46,015 all my friends are in St. George. 832 00:39:46,117 --> 00:39:48,385 I don't think Christine will be able to convince 833 00:39:48,486 --> 00:39:50,387 any of us but it's a roller coaster 834 00:39:50,454 --> 00:39:52,422 that I am more than willing to join. 835 00:39:52,523 --> 00:39:54,324 I hate the idea of moving, 836 00:39:54,425 --> 00:39:57,060 but I love the idea of living in St. George. 837 00:39:57,161 --> 00:39:59,629 I mean, and I'm just not shutting her down, because 838 00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:03,666 I'm not going to sit here and say "your idea is dumb," 839 00:40:03,768 --> 00:40:06,302 especially when I like it. 840 00:40:06,404 --> 00:40:08,171 I just know that it's not possible. 841 00:40:10,074 --> 00:40:11,841 Man... 842 00:40:13,811 --> 00:40:17,747 I feel like I sacrifice so much coming here. 843 00:40:17,848 --> 00:40:21,050 When my whole plan, for four years, 844 00:40:21,152 --> 00:40:24,721 four years, I was planning on moving to St. George. 845 00:40:24,822 --> 00:40:26,623 And you guys all knew it. 846 00:40:26,724 --> 00:40:29,325 [Christine] My plan, my plan now is to talk to the wives. 847 00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:30,794 I want to do it face to face. 848 00:40:30,895 --> 00:40:34,063 I don't want to do this over a video chat, it's too big. 849 00:40:34,165 --> 00:40:36,766 So, I'm hoping that when we talk about it, 850 00:40:36,867 --> 00:40:39,569 he like, talks about how he's got family there, 851 00:40:39,637 --> 00:40:42,672 he has friends there, he would love to retire there. 852 00:40:42,773 --> 00:40:45,241 I don't know if I want to get my hopes up that much, right? 853 00:40:45,810 --> 00:40:47,510 [exhales] 854 00:40:47,611 --> 00:40:50,580 It's a bitter pill. Should I use a marriage metaphor? 855 00:40:52,683 --> 00:40:55,318 She wasn't the best looking, 856 00:40:55,419 --> 00:40:57,387 but, I was in love with her 857 00:40:57,488 --> 00:40:59,322 and I wanted to 858 00:40:59,423 --> 00:41:00,523 make that marriage happen 859 00:41:00,624 --> 00:41:03,326 and that's what I would call St. George. 860 00:41:03,427 --> 00:41:05,695 I asked my family, 861 00:41:05,796 --> 00:41:09,165 let's pretend that we're not polygamous, that it's just a family, 862 00:41:09,266 --> 00:41:12,402 What so you think about me marrying St. George? 863 00:41:12,503 --> 00:41:15,071 And they're all, "Ew! Hell no." 864 00:41:15,172 --> 00:41:17,540 So they're like, "Pick another woman!" 865 00:41:17,641 --> 00:41:20,243 So I pick a beautiful woman, 866 00:41:20,344 --> 00:41:23,179 that I wasn't quite as in love with, 867 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,781 and that was Flagstaff. 868 00:41:24,882 --> 00:41:26,416 And I married Flagstaff. 869 00:41:27,585 --> 00:41:30,353 Now, St. George is available again 870 00:41:30,454 --> 00:41:31,688 and the family's like, 871 00:41:31,789 --> 00:41:34,491 "Oh, we misjudged St. George, 872 00:41:34,592 --> 00:41:36,593 you should have married her." 873 00:41:36,694 --> 00:41:39,028 Well, I'm already married, damn it! 874 00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:43,666 It's too late. 875 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,340 [Kody] Next time on "Sister Wives"... 876 00:41:50,441 --> 00:41:52,175 Ysabel was diagnosed with scoliosis 877 00:41:52,276 --> 00:41:53,877 when she was, like, 13. 878 00:41:53,978 --> 00:41:56,045 Her curve is over 50 degrees now, 879 00:41:56,146 --> 00:41:58,014 so it's just time to get the surgery. 880 00:41:58,115 --> 00:42:00,183 Do we send Ysabel by herself? 881 00:42:00,284 --> 00:42:03,086 I'm not going to get surgery by myself. 882 00:42:03,187 --> 00:42:04,487 I shouldn't have said that. 883 00:42:04,588 --> 00:42:06,823 I'm feeling a little emotional about it today. 884 00:42:06,924 --> 00:42:08,324 [sighs] 885 00:42:08,425 --> 00:42:09,759 The idea that I'm not gonna see Kody 886 00:42:09,860 --> 00:42:13,196 for two months, really, you know, I will miss Kody. 887 00:42:13,297 --> 00:42:18,167 I'm just worried about my sanity and our relationship. 888 00:42:18,269 --> 00:42:21,704 Well, the state of my family is anarchy right now. 889 00:42:21,805 --> 00:42:24,541 It's like everybody for themselves, I guess. 890 00:42:26,443 --> 00:42:28,311 Meri, I can't do marriage with Kody anymore. 891 00:42:28,412 --> 00:42:30,013 - I don't want to... - You don't get to give up 892 00:42:30,114 --> 00:42:32,048 like that. - I don't want to do it anymore.