1 00:00:01,534 --> 00:00:03,502 [narrator] Previously on Sister Wives... 2 00:00:03,536 --> 00:00:08,307 Flagstaff now has a case of coronavirus. 3 00:00:08,341 --> 00:00:11,043 We always grew up thinking that we were so cool. 4 00:00:11,077 --> 00:00:13,545 - That 2020 would be like be the best year... - [woman laughs] 5 00:00:13,580 --> 00:00:14,913 - ...to graduate, and the coolest. - Yeah. 6 00:00:14,948 --> 00:00:16,648 - And now we're all, like, hating it... - Yeah. 7 00:00:16,683 --> 00:00:18,250 ...because it feels like the worst. 8 00:00:19,252 --> 00:00:20,719 These kids are young and they're not quite 9 00:00:20,754 --> 00:00:23,055 understanding the gravity of the situation. 10 00:00:23,089 --> 00:00:26,425 Their health is more important than a prom or a graduation, any day. 11 00:00:27,994 --> 00:00:31,096 I think we miss the idea of us, 12 00:00:31,131 --> 00:00:32,164 we don't miss each other. 13 00:00:33,867 --> 00:00:34,967 Speak for yourself. 14 00:00:35,001 --> 00:00:38,971 [Robyn] Kody and Meri's relationship is really sad. 15 00:00:39,005 --> 00:00:40,939 I want... 16 00:00:40,973 --> 00:00:43,509 wives who get along with each other and who like each other. 17 00:00:43,543 --> 00:00:46,078 And who don't sit there... 18 00:00:47,447 --> 00:00:49,948 and say snotty little [bleeped] things to each other 19 00:00:49,983 --> 00:00:51,417 that break their hearts. 20 00:00:51,451 --> 00:00:55,921 Would every one of these women be better off married to another guy? 21 00:00:55,955 --> 00:00:57,723 That's the question I'm asking myself. 22 00:00:59,959 --> 00:01:03,595 [theme music playing] 23 00:01:29,589 --> 00:01:31,123 [Kody] Recently, Meri and I went out 24 00:01:31,157 --> 00:01:33,158 for our 30th wedding anniversary. 25 00:01:33,193 --> 00:01:35,761 Wasn't an easy discussion 'cause... 26 00:01:35,795 --> 00:01:41,166 we essentially experienced a quasi breakup five years ago. 27 00:01:41,201 --> 00:01:44,536 I mean, we honestly haven't lived together for five years, I think. 28 00:01:47,907 --> 00:01:51,210 [Meri] He really doesn't come to my house very often. 29 00:01:51,244 --> 00:01:54,446 And I don't know how long this is gonna last. 30 00:01:54,481 --> 00:01:57,616 [Kody] I sort of unraveled a lot of the experience we've had 31 00:01:57,650 --> 00:01:59,818 since we moved to Flagstaff with Meri, 32 00:01:59,853 --> 00:02:02,754 in explaining sort of this struggle 33 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:05,657 that not only her, but all my wives 34 00:02:05,692 --> 00:02:08,427 are having in plural marriage. 35 00:02:11,097 --> 00:02:13,832 He keeps making references to the fact 36 00:02:13,867 --> 00:02:17,169 that he doesn't know how he feels about... 37 00:02:17,837 --> 00:02:19,705 plural marriage anymore. 38 00:02:19,739 --> 00:02:22,040 Would he even do it again? 39 00:02:24,244 --> 00:02:27,279 [Kody] All this unraveling and all this feedback from my wives 40 00:02:27,313 --> 00:02:30,349 and all this experience that we've had... 41 00:02:31,918 --> 00:02:33,986 has made me question 42 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:37,256 whether or not we can be functional in the future. 43 00:02:37,290 --> 00:02:39,925 It's been a reckoning for me. 44 00:02:39,959 --> 00:02:44,196 I have looked at this and I have gone, "Oh, ladies, if you are not happy, 45 00:02:44,230 --> 00:02:46,098 we gotta figure something out." 46 00:02:48,067 --> 00:02:49,701 [Christine] I'm recording now. 47 00:02:49,736 --> 00:02:50,936 - Can I start? - I'm playing 48 00:02:50,970 --> 00:02:53,205 - with my dog. - I'm recording. 49 00:02:53,239 --> 00:02:55,607 [Robyn] I've seen a lot of differences 50 00:02:55,642 --> 00:02:58,544 in our family culture since we moved to Flagstaff. 51 00:02:58,578 --> 00:03:01,813 And COVID in this whole situation is making it even harder 52 00:03:01,848 --> 00:03:04,183 to figure that out because, you know, now, 53 00:03:04,217 --> 00:03:08,654 you know, seeing each other as a family is a risk. 54 00:03:08,688 --> 00:03:10,455 - Hey, y'all. - Hi, guys. 55 00:03:10,490 --> 00:03:11,924 - [Janelle] Hello. - Hi, guys. 56 00:03:11,958 --> 00:03:14,526 [Janelle] I'm feeling the isolation a lot. 57 00:03:14,561 --> 00:03:17,996 I'm starting to kind of not be mentally good with this. 58 00:03:18,031 --> 00:03:20,933 - Come on, this is better than a group text. - I actually really like this 59 00:03:20,967 --> 00:03:22,634 - compared to group text. - For sure. 60 00:03:22,669 --> 00:03:24,903 We're gonna have a discussion now. 61 00:03:24,938 --> 00:03:27,139 [Robyn] Our decisions are going to affect each other. 62 00:03:27,173 --> 00:03:30,375 That may have some long-term effects on the relationship. 63 00:03:30,410 --> 00:03:32,044 I just don't know. 64 00:03:32,078 --> 00:03:35,981 Okay, so guys, Hunter is coming home tomorrow 65 00:03:36,015 --> 00:03:37,616 or the next day. 66 00:03:37,650 --> 00:03:39,985 What are we gonna do when he's home? 67 00:03:40,019 --> 00:03:41,386 Are we gonna get together... 68 00:03:41,421 --> 00:03:43,422 How long is he gonna be home? 69 00:03:43,456 --> 00:03:45,657 He'll be here for the whole summer. 70 00:03:45,692 --> 00:03:46,758 I will just be upfront. 71 00:03:46,793 --> 00:03:49,428 I'm about ready to psychologically lose it 72 00:03:49,462 --> 00:03:51,196 if we don't start getting together soon, 73 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:54,700 because... And my kids are kind of at that space, too. 74 00:03:55,602 --> 00:03:57,436 I think my ideas of the whole family 75 00:03:57,470 --> 00:03:59,438 getting together are fairly radical 76 00:03:59,472 --> 00:04:00,939 for some people in the family. 77 00:04:00,974 --> 00:04:06,378 'Cause there are some voices that would have us completely stay separate. 78 00:04:06,412 --> 00:04:09,615 [Robyn] You know, CDC is telling you not to get into groups bigger 79 00:04:09,649 --> 00:04:11,917 than, like, ten or eight or something. 80 00:04:11,951 --> 00:04:14,253 I don't know what the answer is here. 81 00:04:14,287 --> 00:04:17,389 I think that teleconferencing is probably our best... 82 00:04:17,423 --> 00:04:20,192 the best we can do for now. 83 00:04:20,226 --> 00:04:22,261 Okay, I wanna hear what everybody else has to say 84 00:04:22,295 --> 00:04:25,530 'cause I sort of have my feelings about the extreme. 85 00:04:25,565 --> 00:04:27,032 'Cause this decision affects us all. 86 00:04:27,066 --> 00:04:28,834 We have to all be on the same page. 87 00:04:28,868 --> 00:04:31,903 I don't know if we're all gonna get on the same page. 88 00:04:33,706 --> 00:04:37,342 So far, we haven't really handled COVID as a team. 89 00:04:37,377 --> 00:04:39,044 I think it'd be awesome to get together. 90 00:04:39,078 --> 00:04:40,479 I think it'd be super, super cool. 91 00:04:40,513 --> 00:04:42,881 I think it's sad to be separated. 92 00:04:42,915 --> 00:04:46,184 I think it might be the safest and the most responsible thing to do, to stay separated. 93 00:04:46,219 --> 00:04:48,120 Am I a fan of it? No. 94 00:04:48,154 --> 00:04:49,388 I think it's ridiculous 95 00:04:49,422 --> 00:04:51,290 that we're not getting together. 96 00:04:51,324 --> 00:04:53,025 Just trying to be smart, 97 00:04:53,059 --> 00:04:55,394 so that there are no regrets, you know. 98 00:04:55,895 --> 00:04:57,496 If it's gonna save, 99 00:04:57,530 --> 00:05:00,265 you know, keep our family healthy and safe, 100 00:05:00,833 --> 00:05:03,702 then we can do it. 101 00:05:03,736 --> 00:05:05,937 I love my family so much, I'll stay away from them. 102 00:05:05,972 --> 00:05:07,873 That's kinda how I feel. 103 00:05:07,907 --> 00:05:11,910 I spent some time with our family doctor, not in person. 104 00:05:13,212 --> 00:05:16,181 But she even made the comment that our ICU is full of cases, 105 00:05:16,783 --> 00:05:17,983 here in Flagstaff. 106 00:05:18,017 --> 00:05:19,017 She has advised me 107 00:05:19,052 --> 00:05:22,120 that we should still not be gathering as a family. 108 00:05:22,155 --> 00:05:24,956 I don't necessarily agree with 100% of what she's saying 109 00:05:24,991 --> 00:05:26,525 based on everything I'm reading. 110 00:05:26,559 --> 00:05:28,593 [Robyn] I do trust our doctor. 111 00:05:28,628 --> 00:05:31,330 I know that she has the best intention for our family. 112 00:05:31,364 --> 00:05:32,798 I do, I do think that. 113 00:05:32,832 --> 00:05:35,567 I think our family doctor is giving her perspective 114 00:05:35,601 --> 00:05:38,103 and we're taking it like gospel truth. 115 00:05:38,137 --> 00:05:41,306 I absolutely am embracing everything the CDC tells us to do. 116 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:44,109 I wear a mask, I wash my hands, 117 00:05:44,143 --> 00:05:47,145 I carry hand sanitizer with me. When I go to the grocery store, 118 00:05:47,180 --> 00:05:48,146 I'm careful. 119 00:05:48,180 --> 00:05:50,082 Like, I'm not going a lot of places. 120 00:05:50,116 --> 00:05:53,485 Kody seems to be taking it to a whole different level of isolation. 121 00:05:56,789 --> 00:05:59,825 I'm trying to get us together and nobody seems to 122 00:05:59,859 --> 00:06:01,960 be playing ball with me and I'm just kinda like, 123 00:06:01,994 --> 00:06:02,961 "Come on, guys!" 124 00:06:02,995 --> 00:06:05,130 So, I guess if they wanna continue to be apart 125 00:06:05,164 --> 00:06:06,865 and maybe we're apart for 18 months or two years 126 00:06:06,933 --> 00:06:08,867 and maybe the family exists or not 127 00:06:08,901 --> 00:06:10,669 in that, after that time period. 128 00:06:14,941 --> 00:06:17,309 [Kody] Everybody just needs to stay home. 129 00:06:19,312 --> 00:06:21,713 And then, I can see everybody. 130 00:06:21,748 --> 00:06:23,348 If each one of you wanna be able to see me, 131 00:06:23,383 --> 00:06:26,451 then I can be the only one that you see besides your, 132 00:06:26,486 --> 00:06:29,287 - um, immediate children. - [dog barks] 133 00:06:29,322 --> 00:06:31,123 Does that seem understandable? 134 00:06:31,157 --> 00:06:33,091 I don't like telling them what to do 135 00:06:33,126 --> 00:06:36,128 because they just like to put me in my place. 136 00:06:36,162 --> 00:06:38,130 But right now is one of those times 137 00:06:38,164 --> 00:06:40,999 when I would like to be able to say, "Hey! 138 00:06:41,033 --> 00:06:43,502 These are the rules and you're gonna do 'em." 139 00:06:43,536 --> 00:06:45,837 And everybody's got a choice to make and everybody gets to choose. 140 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,141 - Not really. - What? 141 00:06:49,175 --> 00:06:51,109 Not really. We don't all get a choice to make 142 00:06:51,144 --> 00:06:52,444 and get to choose. 143 00:06:52,478 --> 00:06:54,479 I can't see Maddie and the kids? 144 00:06:54,514 --> 00:06:56,014 I can't see Hunter? 145 00:06:56,048 --> 00:06:58,583 I... I really am not willing to do that. 146 00:06:58,618 --> 00:07:01,386 We have to each decide. Each household gets to decide. 147 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:03,121 Each mom gets to decide. 148 00:07:03,156 --> 00:07:04,990 All of you are getting to decide what you're gonna do. 149 00:07:05,024 --> 00:07:08,160 I want everybody to feel like they've got a choice. 150 00:07:08,194 --> 00:07:10,195 But what they're literally doing is they're choosing 151 00:07:10,229 --> 00:07:12,364 whether or not they're gonna have a relationship, 152 00:07:12,398 --> 00:07:15,467 a physical relationship with me or not. 153 00:07:15,501 --> 00:07:18,336 You can't have a relationship if you're not alive. [laughs] 154 00:07:18,371 --> 00:07:21,206 So, I don't know. I mean that sounds morbid, 155 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,508 but that's really kinda what it boils down to. 156 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,982 I'm not gonna follow the same rules that Robyn is following. 157 00:07:31,017 --> 00:07:33,552 We already made plans to go do stuff, 158 00:07:33,586 --> 00:07:35,687 and we're going to go do stuff. 159 00:07:35,721 --> 00:07:38,924 I will tell you that I can't go all summer 160 00:07:38,958 --> 00:07:39,891 doing this. 161 00:07:39,926 --> 00:07:41,860 'Cause she doesn't want to hear the facts. 162 00:07:41,894 --> 00:07:43,094 She doesn't want to hear it. 163 00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:44,596 Frankly, I think Janelle's lazy 164 00:07:44,630 --> 00:07:46,264 about an ounce of prevention. 165 00:07:48,701 --> 00:07:51,436 - I just can't. So... - That's... 166 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:53,205 - I mean I can't. - [indistinct] 167 00:07:53,239 --> 00:07:55,774 [Janelle] I'm getting the impression Christine and I are kind of in the same boat. 168 00:07:55,808 --> 00:07:58,810 I can at least maybe try to make small alliances 169 00:07:58,845 --> 00:08:01,379 so that our kids can at least hang out this summer. 170 00:08:01,414 --> 00:08:04,249 My kids are to the point where we would choose hanging out 171 00:08:04,283 --> 00:08:06,351 at Christine's house over you coming, Kody. 172 00:08:06,385 --> 00:08:08,220 Sorry. That's where they're at. 173 00:08:09,655 --> 00:08:12,123 [Robyn] This is between Kody and Janelle. 174 00:08:12,158 --> 00:08:14,793 And I just have to kind of... 175 00:08:14,827 --> 00:08:18,396 [vocalizing] you know? Awkward. [laughs] 176 00:08:20,066 --> 00:08:21,967 I mean, that's an extreme compliment. 177 00:08:22,001 --> 00:08:23,935 I do love Janelle's children. 178 00:08:23,970 --> 00:08:26,238 But I don't want them coming over 179 00:08:26,272 --> 00:08:28,707 to make them not hang out with Kody. 180 00:08:28,741 --> 00:08:32,210 But I really do want to see them really badly. 181 00:08:32,245 --> 00:08:34,145 They're kinda up to the point where we can't keep away 182 00:08:34,180 --> 00:08:35,313 from the family. 183 00:08:35,348 --> 00:08:37,282 I think Janelle is full of [bleeped] 184 00:08:37,316 --> 00:08:39,351 and this is why she's full of [bleeped]. 185 00:08:40,753 --> 00:08:44,356 Because the kids aren't seeing each other all the time anyway. 186 00:08:46,425 --> 00:08:47,993 [Janelle] If he wants to throw the whole family 187 00:08:48,027 --> 00:08:49,394 under the bus, that's fine. 188 00:08:51,097 --> 00:08:52,330 [Kody] She doesn't want me 189 00:08:52,365 --> 00:08:54,533 coming down hard on her children 190 00:08:54,567 --> 00:08:58,036 for their lack of... 191 00:08:58,070 --> 00:09:02,240 observation of the coronavirus protocols. 192 00:09:03,075 --> 00:09:05,944 You... You make your choice. 193 00:09:05,978 --> 00:09:08,580 My choice is going to be whatever I think 194 00:09:08,614 --> 00:09:10,782 is going to make it so I don't live with 195 00:09:10,816 --> 00:09:13,785 a life of regret for some screw-up 196 00:09:13,819 --> 00:09:18,723 in a three-month time period versus the 30 years of the rest of our lives. 197 00:09:18,758 --> 00:09:21,159 If Janelle and I come to a conclusion 198 00:09:21,193 --> 00:09:23,528 that we're gonna let our kids hang out with each other, 199 00:09:23,563 --> 00:09:26,598 that's gonna mean that Kody's not going to come over. 200 00:09:26,632 --> 00:09:28,400 Everybody gets to make their choice, 201 00:09:28,434 --> 00:09:30,602 but I will be making mine and, 202 00:09:30,636 --> 00:09:33,004 to be honest with you, nobody's gonna dictate it 203 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:34,005 to me. 204 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,342 Kody is here now talking to us and just saying, 205 00:09:37,376 --> 00:09:38,877 you know, you guys make your own decision, 206 00:09:38,911 --> 00:09:40,645 I'm gonna make my own decision. 207 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:43,715 I would rather see us all work together, 208 00:09:43,749 --> 00:09:46,985 make a decision together rather than... 209 00:09:47,019 --> 00:09:50,722 him or anybody just being like, "Oh, do your thing. I'll do my thing. 210 00:09:50,756 --> 00:09:52,857 Whatever, we'll just all do our own thing." 211 00:09:52,892 --> 00:09:55,427 What if there's some sort of middle ground? 212 00:09:55,461 --> 00:09:56,962 I mean, the weather's gonna be so beautiful. 213 00:09:56,996 --> 00:09:58,797 What if the five of us, at least, 214 00:09:58,831 --> 00:10:00,732 drove our cars somewhere and... 215 00:10:00,766 --> 00:10:03,635 To the property? Should we go have a picnic five feet apart? 216 00:10:03,669 --> 00:10:07,038 - Everybody has to bring their own food, I guess. - Six feet. 217 00:10:07,073 --> 00:10:09,474 Like, I'll be, like, your own picnic lunch 218 00:10:09,508 --> 00:10:10,942 that we eat together, right? or something. 219 00:10:10,977 --> 00:10:12,978 Exactly. I think as adults, 220 00:10:13,012 --> 00:10:14,012 we could do it just fine. 221 00:10:15,781 --> 00:10:18,817 So, at least, there's a plan to see each other, physically. 222 00:10:18,851 --> 00:10:19,718 That's good. 223 00:10:20,953 --> 00:10:22,354 [Kody] I'm willing to try it, 224 00:10:23,356 --> 00:10:24,189 but... 225 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:27,325 you know, in the midst of a pandemic, 226 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,394 it seems like risky behavior. 227 00:10:29,428 --> 00:10:31,596 We... We haven't solved this problem. 228 00:10:34,133 --> 00:10:36,601 There's some underlying lack of trust 229 00:10:37,103 --> 00:10:38,403 within the family. 230 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,776 Those who don't believe that coronavirus can cause harm 231 00:10:44,810 --> 00:10:48,980 are not trusting those who are following 232 00:10:49,015 --> 00:10:52,183 sort of the draconian recommendations 233 00:10:52,218 --> 00:10:53,818 of the government. 234 00:10:53,853 --> 00:10:56,154 Guys, I need to get going. 235 00:10:56,756 --> 00:10:58,023 Bye, everybody. 236 00:11:00,126 --> 00:11:02,494 [Kody] This car is buried. 237 00:11:02,528 --> 00:11:06,097 - It's impossible. - [Christine] Wow, she really is stuck. 238 00:11:06,132 --> 00:11:09,000 All I know is that I wish I owned a tractor. 239 00:11:12,238 --> 00:11:15,073 [Kody] Coyote Pass is a reference that we make to the property 240 00:11:15,107 --> 00:11:17,075 that we bought here in Flagstaff. 241 00:11:17,109 --> 00:11:19,077 That's kind of where the family likes to go 242 00:11:19,111 --> 00:11:20,879 when we socialize. We do picnics out there. 243 00:11:20,913 --> 00:11:22,447 We hang out there a little bit. 244 00:11:22,481 --> 00:11:25,950 But we plan to build homes there. 245 00:11:25,984 --> 00:11:30,422 But because it's really a year process for building, 246 00:11:30,456 --> 00:11:33,258 and then you've also gotta finance, 247 00:11:33,292 --> 00:11:35,927 we are really not in a position to do it yet. 248 00:11:36,996 --> 00:11:40,932 Gwendlyn took her car out to the property 249 00:11:40,966 --> 00:11:43,234 'cause her and Ysabel want to go out there and have fun. 250 00:11:43,269 --> 00:11:48,440 And I gave her this little lecture about um... 251 00:11:48,474 --> 00:11:50,942 you know, how muddy it was out there and to stay on the road. 252 00:11:50,976 --> 00:11:52,577 [chuckles] It's funny. 253 00:11:52,611 --> 00:11:54,979 She went out and got stuck. 254 00:11:55,014 --> 00:11:57,816 Mine and Christine's daughters decide they needed to go do a picnic. 255 00:11:57,850 --> 00:12:00,118 So, Ysabel, Gwendlyn and Truely 256 00:12:00,152 --> 00:12:02,987 went out to Coyote Pass when it was muddy, 257 00:12:03,022 --> 00:12:05,890 and they got themselves stuck so bad 258 00:12:05,925 --> 00:12:08,126 that you know, they... They can't get it out. 259 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:09,661 Christine's been out to check it out. 260 00:12:09,695 --> 00:12:10,929 She's, like, "I can't get it out." 261 00:12:10,996 --> 00:12:14,799 So, we're going today now, to see if we can't 262 00:12:14,834 --> 00:12:19,070 pull them out with... With more tools. 263 00:12:19,772 --> 00:12:20,972 Get them out of that mess. 264 00:12:24,510 --> 00:12:26,211 [Kody] Here we are at Coyote Pass. 265 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,149 Coming up on Gwendlyn's handiwork. 266 00:12:32,818 --> 00:12:35,186 [laughs] 267 00:12:35,221 --> 00:12:37,489 [Robyn] There's this car out there, just kind of 268 00:12:37,523 --> 00:12:39,524 halfway sunk into ground. 269 00:12:39,558 --> 00:12:40,992 I actually drove over there to see it. 270 00:12:41,026 --> 00:12:44,195 And it is like deep, deep in the mud. 271 00:12:44,230 --> 00:12:45,663 [Kody laughs] 272 00:12:46,599 --> 00:12:48,032 Looks like they tried to get out. 273 00:12:48,067 --> 00:12:51,436 Oh-oh! 274 00:12:51,470 --> 00:12:54,038 It is up to the axle. 275 00:12:54,073 --> 00:12:56,141 This car is buried. 276 00:12:56,175 --> 00:13:01,546 [laughing] I mean, It's... It's impossible. 277 00:13:01,580 --> 00:13:03,982 [laughing] 278 00:13:04,016 --> 00:13:07,418 Coming out here... I'm sorry. 279 00:13:07,453 --> 00:13:09,187 Literally, the frame of the car 280 00:13:09,221 --> 00:13:11,189 is floating on the ground, 281 00:13:11,223 --> 00:13:13,958 and the tires are spinning freely. 282 00:13:13,993 --> 00:13:15,760 [Christine] I came out here a few days ago. 283 00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:18,029 [Kody] Why do you blame the tractors? 284 00:13:22,067 --> 00:13:25,236 Not yourself for not staying on the road? 285 00:13:25,271 --> 00:13:27,272 If I had a tractor, I'd use a tractor. 286 00:13:27,306 --> 00:13:28,840 But to ask my neighbor to come and do it 287 00:13:28,874 --> 00:13:32,477 would be sheer embarrassment for me. 288 00:13:32,511 --> 00:13:33,978 It needs a tractor. 289 00:13:34,914 --> 00:13:37,482 [engine whirring] 290 00:13:39,251 --> 00:13:42,821 [Janelle] Wow, my God. She really is stuck. 291 00:13:42,855 --> 00:13:45,290 - Wow. - [engine whirring] 292 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:50,762 All I know is that I wish I owned a tractor. 293 00:13:50,796 --> 00:13:52,730 - [Christine] We dug through... - Is there a shovel in there? 294 00:13:52,765 --> 00:13:53,865 Did you bring a shovel? 295 00:13:53,933 --> 00:13:58,536 If I am unsuccessful here, she will go get the neighbor 296 00:13:58,571 --> 00:14:02,841 and she will tell the neighbor that she did all this stupid. 297 00:14:02,875 --> 00:14:05,076 - [laughs] - And that she needs 298 00:14:05,110 --> 00:14:08,479 the neighbor to rescue her from stupid because... 299 00:14:08,514 --> 00:14:11,015 - And if she mentions my name... - I won't. I will not. 300 00:14:11,050 --> 00:14:12,383 I would not betray you. 301 00:14:12,418 --> 00:14:13,751 Don't you have a husband? 302 00:14:13,786 --> 00:14:16,421 - Oh. - Oh, he looked at this and said... 303 00:14:16,455 --> 00:14:17,856 And I wouldn't even say that. 304 00:14:17,890 --> 00:14:19,991 He'd go, "Don't you have a husband?" I'd just go, 305 00:14:20,025 --> 00:14:21,960 "He's at another woman's house." 306 00:14:21,994 --> 00:14:24,863 - Oh yeah, that one would work. - [laughs] 307 00:14:24,897 --> 00:14:27,532 This area needs to be cleared out. 308 00:14:27,566 --> 00:14:30,735 [Robyn] You know what's ironic? Kody... 309 00:14:30,769 --> 00:14:33,238 used to say all the time in Las Vegas, 310 00:14:33,272 --> 00:14:36,040 that he wanted to move somewhere so he could go with his kids 311 00:14:36,075 --> 00:14:37,742 and play in the dirt and mud. 312 00:14:41,113 --> 00:14:42,714 [Kody] Yeah, go ahead and start it, Christine. 313 00:14:44,950 --> 00:14:46,317 The battery's dead? 314 00:14:46,352 --> 00:14:49,587 Yeah, I don't know if it could get any worse than this right now. 315 00:14:50,122 --> 00:14:51,522 [Kody] Go. 316 00:14:52,057 --> 00:14:54,859 [engine revving] 317 00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:58,496 I mean, the car, it is so old. Like, it was 15 years old 318 00:14:58,530 --> 00:15:00,131 when we bought it for Maddie in high school. 319 00:15:00,165 --> 00:15:01,432 It's been through its kids. 320 00:15:01,467 --> 00:15:04,702 - I'm not sure it will survive beyond Gwen. - [indistinct] 321 00:15:04,737 --> 00:15:06,437 - Tell Mom to give it a little bit of gas. - Okay, 322 00:15:06,472 --> 00:15:07,805 give it a little bit of gas! 323 00:15:08,340 --> 00:15:10,508 [engine whirring] 324 00:15:11,710 --> 00:15:13,511 Oh, yeah, baby. 325 00:15:18,350 --> 00:15:19,450 That was a blast. 326 00:15:19,485 --> 00:15:21,986 Mom, you did so good. How are you feeling right now? 327 00:15:22,021 --> 00:15:24,422 - I was so excited! - How are you feeling right now? 328 00:15:24,456 --> 00:15:26,157 Did you see that? 329 00:15:26,191 --> 00:15:28,192 [Kody] I realized the girls are congratulating Mom 330 00:15:28,227 --> 00:15:29,994 on the great job she did. 331 00:15:30,029 --> 00:15:31,362 I don't care who gets the praise. 332 00:15:31,397 --> 00:15:32,764 Now I get to go home. 333 00:15:33,699 --> 00:15:35,400 Yeah, I'm getting a tractor out of this. 334 00:15:35,434 --> 00:15:37,168 A pickup out of this, 335 00:15:37,202 --> 00:15:39,671 - and maybe a four-wheeler. - [Christine] And maybe I'll get a kiss out of this. 336 00:15:40,506 --> 00:15:41,439 There's my kiss. 337 00:15:45,077 --> 00:15:46,945 [Janelle] You know, I've been thinking a lot 338 00:15:46,979 --> 00:15:49,480 about how our communication as a family is going. 339 00:15:49,515 --> 00:15:53,017 And I had brought that up at dinner with the adults a little while ago. 340 00:15:53,052 --> 00:15:56,654 And it... It was interesting how it was taken. 341 00:15:56,689 --> 00:15:59,424 Do you want to have a relationship 342 00:15:59,458 --> 00:16:00,758 with your sister wife? 343 00:16:02,361 --> 00:16:04,696 [Janelle] I think maybe that's why I've started to think about this. 344 00:16:04,730 --> 00:16:07,165 'Cause I want something different than what we have. 345 00:16:09,101 --> 00:16:14,739 This pandemic has sort of... underscored this breakdown 346 00:16:14,773 --> 00:16:17,775 that we have in how we communicate with each other 347 00:16:17,810 --> 00:16:20,912 as adults in the family. 348 00:16:20,946 --> 00:16:25,950 What can I change that makes the communication go better? 349 00:16:30,089 --> 00:16:31,389 [Robyn] Today, Janelle was asking me 350 00:16:31,423 --> 00:16:33,491 to come over to her house and just kind of chat, 351 00:16:33,525 --> 00:16:36,661 like talk to me a little bit about, 352 00:16:36,695 --> 00:16:38,062 I don't know, what's been going on. 353 00:16:38,097 --> 00:16:40,531 I'm not really sure, exactly. 354 00:16:40,566 --> 00:16:42,900 - [Janelle] Hey. - Hey, I'm here. Do you want... 355 00:16:42,935 --> 00:16:45,503 [Janelle] Oh, cool. Do you know what? come through the RV gate. 356 00:16:45,537 --> 00:16:47,138 - On the side of the house, if you want. - Okay. 357 00:16:47,172 --> 00:16:49,073 [Janelle] Since we had a conversation 358 00:16:49,108 --> 00:16:50,942 via video-conferencing or whatever, and 359 00:16:50,976 --> 00:16:53,511 we all decided that it would be potentially workable 360 00:16:53,545 --> 00:16:56,314 for us all to get together and meet, socially distanced. 361 00:16:56,348 --> 00:16:58,016 - Hi! - [Janelle] Hi. 362 00:16:58,050 --> 00:16:59,917 I felt like this was a great opportunity to kinda 363 00:16:59,952 --> 00:17:01,252 give that a test run. 364 00:17:01,286 --> 00:17:03,087 I'm actually really grateful 365 00:17:03,122 --> 00:17:05,957 that we have figured out a way for us to see each other. 366 00:17:05,991 --> 00:17:07,959 - [Robyn] Tomatoes. - Tomatoes. Look, how good they're doing. 367 00:17:07,993 --> 00:17:08,760 [Robyn] Those peppers, 368 00:17:08,794 --> 00:17:10,161 - right there? - No, basil. 369 00:17:10,195 --> 00:17:11,929 - [Robyn] Basil... - [Janelle] One change sometimes, is a catalyst 370 00:17:11,964 --> 00:17:13,431 for other changes. 371 00:17:13,465 --> 00:17:15,066 We signed up for plural marriage 372 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:17,535 because we thought that this made us better. 373 00:17:17,569 --> 00:17:21,272 And if you don't ever take advantages of trying to be better yourself, 374 00:17:21,306 --> 00:17:22,840 then why are you doing it? 375 00:17:24,276 --> 00:17:25,276 I've realized... 376 00:17:26,645 --> 00:17:29,680 at 51, I think I'm ready to turn over a new leaf 377 00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:32,683 as far as some of my communication skills. 378 00:17:32,718 --> 00:17:34,819 And so that's kinda what I really was gonna... 379 00:17:34,853 --> 00:17:36,921 There's no really easy way to bring this up. 380 00:17:36,955 --> 00:17:41,559 I think I get so excited about what I want. 381 00:17:41,593 --> 00:17:44,295 I think maybe, my conversations get... 382 00:17:44,329 --> 00:17:46,597 They probably come off as aggressive. 383 00:17:46,632 --> 00:17:49,934 I need to be more willing to hear what everybody has to say, you know, just... 384 00:17:51,002 --> 00:17:52,603 And that's hard 'cause we all have, 385 00:17:52,638 --> 00:17:54,472 there's a lot of opinions. 386 00:17:54,506 --> 00:17:57,241 I think it's a culture in plural families, too. 387 00:17:57,276 --> 00:17:58,843 -With women. -You think? [both] Yeah. 388 00:17:58,877 --> 00:18:01,646 I think they... They feel like they've gotta fight for their, 389 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,281 um, their position. 390 00:18:03,315 --> 00:18:06,717 The conversations with the five of us are, 391 00:18:06,752 --> 00:18:08,653 like, I go home with a stomachache, 392 00:18:08,687 --> 00:18:10,655 - like, almost every single time. - Mmm-hmm. 393 00:18:10,689 --> 00:18:12,657 COVID is really... 394 00:18:12,691 --> 00:18:16,661 magnifying our communication breakdown issues. 395 00:18:16,695 --> 00:18:20,364 You know, there's a lot of unsafe conversations that happen in this family. 396 00:18:23,068 --> 00:18:26,471 We're just not really talking to each other about COVID. 397 00:18:26,505 --> 00:18:28,005 We're talking at each other. 398 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,273 I think sometimes, 399 00:18:29,308 --> 00:18:31,075 you just are quiet and I'm just like, 400 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:32,777 - ram, ram, ram! - [laughs] 401 00:18:32,811 --> 00:18:34,912 This is great, this is great, this is great. 402 00:18:34,947 --> 00:18:35,847 It's all exuberance. 403 00:18:35,881 --> 00:18:39,050 But I know it can seem like I'm forcing. 404 00:18:39,084 --> 00:18:40,818 - So... - [Robyn] I'm just, uh, 405 00:18:40,853 --> 00:18:44,233 I'm a little more quiet. I, um... 406 00:18:44,257 --> 00:18:48,192 I have a tendency to be... cautious 407 00:18:48,227 --> 00:18:50,328 - of what I'm saying. - I would like if you would say more. 408 00:18:50,362 --> 00:18:51,362 [laughs] 409 00:18:52,564 --> 00:18:55,533 [Robyn] More than likely when I have a beef with Kody... 410 00:18:55,567 --> 00:18:56,868 Okay, let's just say that. 411 00:18:56,902 --> 00:18:58,136 It's rare that I fight with him, 412 00:18:58,170 --> 00:19:01,539 I... I probably could name 413 00:19:01,573 --> 00:19:03,674 five real fights in the last... 414 00:19:03,709 --> 00:19:05,843 10, 11 years we've been together 415 00:19:05,878 --> 00:19:08,379 on my hand, like, probably five real fights. 416 00:19:08,413 --> 00:19:09,847 Maybe not even that. 417 00:19:11,383 --> 00:19:13,251 You know, I was, I was married before. 418 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,387 And in that marriage, 419 00:19:16,421 --> 00:19:18,656 there was a lot of fighting and there was a lot of pain. 420 00:19:22,094 --> 00:19:24,962 I promised myself that as I came out of my divorce, 421 00:19:24,997 --> 00:19:27,131 that I was like, if I ever marry again, 422 00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:29,567 I'm just gonna be more cautious and more careful. 423 00:19:30,702 --> 00:19:32,503 I think we need to figure out how to have 424 00:19:32,538 --> 00:19:33,838 these conversations. 425 00:19:33,872 --> 00:19:37,341 - Yeah. - Not, not the actual conversation, 426 00:19:37,376 --> 00:19:40,878 but, like, how to have a conversation. [laughs] 427 00:19:40,913 --> 00:19:42,146 I mean, you're talking about 428 00:19:42,181 --> 00:19:43,981 changing the way we communicate. 429 00:19:44,016 --> 00:19:46,918 I would love to change it dramatically. 430 00:19:46,952 --> 00:19:50,288 I'm relieved that Janelle's saying, hey, let's... 431 00:19:50,322 --> 00:19:53,925 you know, maybe what we're doing isn't working. 432 00:19:55,027 --> 00:19:56,794 Can we figure out a better way? 433 00:19:56,828 --> 00:19:59,830 I mean, yes, I'm 100%, you know, 434 00:20:01,233 --> 00:20:02,500 feel the same way. 435 00:20:03,502 --> 00:20:04,936 The next time we all get together, 436 00:20:05,404 --> 00:20:06,704 we need to 437 00:20:06,738 --> 00:20:09,006 have a real discussion about some ground rules 438 00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:10,841 for our conversations. 439 00:20:10,876 --> 00:20:12,777 - Yeah. - [Janelle] I feel really good 440 00:20:12,811 --> 00:20:15,246 after the conversation I had with Robyn. 441 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,715 We are coming at everything that's going on 442 00:20:17,749 --> 00:20:19,217 with a little bit different perspective. 443 00:20:19,251 --> 00:20:21,519 But the one core thing that we do agree on 444 00:20:21,553 --> 00:20:24,622 is that we want the family to be long term. 445 00:20:24,656 --> 00:20:26,290 'Cause I think the whole idea that we're a unit 446 00:20:26,325 --> 00:20:28,259 and we continue to make these decisions together 447 00:20:28,293 --> 00:20:30,294 is what defines our family structure. 448 00:20:30,329 --> 00:20:33,731 Otherwise, we're just a bunch of monogamists who share a husband. 449 00:20:37,436 --> 00:20:40,471 We've had a rough relationship for a couple of years. 450 00:20:40,505 --> 00:20:43,307 Plural marriage is a challenge that she doesn't enjoy. 451 00:20:43,342 --> 00:20:44,342 I'll be frank, 452 00:20:44,376 --> 00:20:46,277 plural marriage is not a challenge that I enjoy. 453 00:20:53,452 --> 00:20:55,953 [Janelle] It's been nice. Kody's been here for a few days. 454 00:20:55,988 --> 00:20:57,788 He was gone for five weeks. 455 00:20:57,823 --> 00:21:00,091 I have some kids that are working outside the home, 456 00:21:00,125 --> 00:21:02,193 and seeing people outside of the home. 457 00:21:02,227 --> 00:21:05,630 So I asked him to stay away long enough for me to kind of get a handle on 458 00:21:05,664 --> 00:21:08,232 if they were gonna be bringing COVID home or, 459 00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:10,201 and it seems like it's all been fine. 460 00:21:10,235 --> 00:21:13,337 Kody and I both feel like it's okay for him to come home now. 461 00:21:13,372 --> 00:21:16,140 Christine's birthday date is way overdue, 462 00:21:16,174 --> 00:21:19,176 and he needs to leave and kind of go there. 463 00:21:19,211 --> 00:21:21,078 But you know, Hunter will be home shortly, 464 00:21:21,146 --> 00:21:22,313 and it will be very... 465 00:21:22,347 --> 00:21:24,548 It will be a real bright spot for my household. 466 00:21:25,917 --> 00:21:29,887 [Kody] Today, I made it to, uh, Christine's house. 467 00:21:29,921 --> 00:21:32,423 Um, left Janelle's. 468 00:21:32,457 --> 00:21:38,496 And our reunion was lovely. It was not... 469 00:21:38,530 --> 00:21:41,299 I was getting all vulnerable and silly because I was, 470 00:21:41,333 --> 00:21:44,135 it'd been so long since we'd seen each other. 471 00:21:44,169 --> 00:21:49,140 But we tried to figure out how long it had been since... 472 00:21:49,174 --> 00:21:51,942 if we had ever gone that long before, 473 00:21:51,977 --> 00:21:53,577 without seeing each other. 474 00:21:53,612 --> 00:21:54,712 I'm pretty independent. 475 00:21:54,746 --> 00:21:56,480 Like, when he's gone, I miss him but it's not like, 476 00:21:56,515 --> 00:21:58,816 I kind of enjoy my freedom. 477 00:21:58,850 --> 00:22:00,951 But then I realize that when he comes back 478 00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:03,220 how much I kinda miss him. 479 00:22:03,255 --> 00:22:07,558 I'm sort of making up for Christine's birthday today. 480 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,094 Because on her birthday, 481 00:22:10,128 --> 00:22:13,264 I was with Janelle for Hunter's graduation. 482 00:22:14,433 --> 00:22:15,800 I'm just picking Christine up. 483 00:22:15,834 --> 00:22:17,568 We're just... She's just gonna come out. 484 00:22:17,602 --> 00:22:19,370 We're just gonna go on a date. 485 00:22:19,404 --> 00:22:22,039 - Hey. How's it going? - Want to come in? Hey. 486 00:22:22,074 --> 00:22:24,141 [Christine] About the only thing you can do during COVID 487 00:22:24,176 --> 00:22:26,077 are long drives for birthday dates. 488 00:22:26,111 --> 00:22:28,479 So, that's what we are doing today. I'm super excited. 489 00:22:28,513 --> 00:22:30,792 We love road trips. It'll be great. 490 00:22:30,816 --> 00:22:32,316 - All right. - [Christine] Excited? 491 00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:34,185 We are out of here, Mrs. Brown. 492 00:22:34,219 --> 00:22:35,686 - Are you excited? - [Christine] Yes, yes, 493 00:22:35,721 --> 00:22:37,088 - I'm really excited. - Alrighty. 494 00:22:42,627 --> 00:22:44,128 Christine and I have a lot of fun 495 00:22:44,162 --> 00:22:45,262 adventuring together. 496 00:22:45,297 --> 00:22:47,398 And we have a lot of fun when we don't have a plan. 497 00:22:50,502 --> 00:22:51,769 We're just hitting the road, 498 00:22:51,803 --> 00:22:54,305 and we're gonna look for the prettiest spots we can find. 499 00:22:59,477 --> 00:23:02,580 [Christine] All of the adults went to Sedona years ago. 500 00:23:02,614 --> 00:23:04,081 And I think it was one of the first times 501 00:23:04,116 --> 00:23:06,317 we ever met Nancy, who's our therapist. 502 00:23:06,351 --> 00:23:08,185 I mean, it wasn't fun. 503 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:10,955 [Kody] I want all of us to put our arms around each other. 504 00:23:10,989 --> 00:23:14,859 - And I want all of us to put our foreheads together. - [Janelle laughs] 505 00:23:14,893 --> 00:23:17,728 So that everybody is connected. 506 00:23:17,763 --> 00:23:20,631 And is that what you guys really want? 507 00:23:20,665 --> 00:23:23,167 - Yes. - [Kody] I think that is our ultimate goal. 508 00:23:23,201 --> 00:23:25,169 I hope today is more fun. 509 00:23:25,203 --> 00:23:26,604 We're just gonna look at scenery. 510 00:23:26,638 --> 00:23:28,906 We're not taking Nancy with us. 511 00:23:28,940 --> 00:23:30,241 It's just gonna be the two of us. 512 00:23:32,010 --> 00:23:34,545 Do you think we're going too far with our family? 513 00:23:34,579 --> 00:23:35,880 What do you mean? 514 00:23:35,914 --> 00:23:37,948 I think that we're just, I don't think we should be separated. 515 00:23:37,983 --> 00:23:40,384 What I feel like my family is constantly doing 516 00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:43,754 is using emotion against... science. 517 00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:45,756 The virus doesn't care about our emotion. 518 00:23:45,791 --> 00:23:48,225 Everybody has to be accountable for it. 519 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:50,628 And everybody has to accept the question... 520 00:23:50,662 --> 00:23:52,763 Have you been accountable? 521 00:23:52,798 --> 00:23:57,635 Are you being... are you social distancing? 522 00:23:57,669 --> 00:24:04,508 It feels like I'm policing the entire situation. 523 00:24:04,543 --> 00:24:07,011 And I'm like this lifeguard that keeps 524 00:24:07,045 --> 00:24:09,113 kicking kids out of the pool. 525 00:24:09,147 --> 00:24:12,349 Because they can't sit and play nice in the pool. 526 00:24:12,384 --> 00:24:14,718 Even if Maddie and the grandkids come, 527 00:24:14,753 --> 00:24:17,021 Kody, I'm not staying away from them. 528 00:24:17,055 --> 00:24:19,356 I have a lot of other kids in my life, too. 529 00:24:19,391 --> 00:24:23,093 And some of those other kids belong to other moms. 530 00:24:23,128 --> 00:24:26,564 But if Maddie comes and brings Axel and Evie, 531 00:24:26,598 --> 00:24:28,332 What? I can't hold them? 532 00:24:28,366 --> 00:24:31,035 I mean, by Kody's rules, I shouldn't even see them, then. 533 00:24:31,069 --> 00:24:33,370 - Maddie asked me to... - Christine, you're talking about a dilemma 534 00:24:33,405 --> 00:24:36,807 that is more confusing for people than polygamy is. 535 00:24:36,842 --> 00:24:38,175 - [laughs] - Okay? 536 00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:40,277 - I just think... - No, really. This is a dilemma 537 00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:42,880 that is extremely confusing for all people. 538 00:24:42,914 --> 00:24:44,915 It's not more complicated than polygamy. 539 00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:46,784 I'm sorry, that's ridiculous. 540 00:24:46,818 --> 00:24:49,753 If it was illegal to visit people, 541 00:24:49,788 --> 00:24:51,822 then maybe I'd have to think about it differently. 542 00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:58,062 - [Kody] All right. Let's put the top up? - [Christine] Okay. 543 00:24:58,096 --> 00:25:02,032 - We might still get a sunset. - Okay, we're gonna get a sunset. 544 00:25:02,067 --> 00:25:03,868 Tell you what, it's all about a convertible, 545 00:25:03,902 --> 00:25:05,636 magical song and the sunset. 546 00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:07,838 That's the magic. 547 00:25:11,977 --> 00:25:14,311 [Christine] See the sunset? Run. 548 00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:16,514 [indistinct] 549 00:25:16,548 --> 00:25:17,781 Watch the cars. 550 00:25:20,218 --> 00:25:23,988 Oh, God. I think the sunset's going to be good. 551 00:25:24,022 --> 00:25:26,790 [Christine] This is epic. It's beautiful, right? We're just looking over Sedona. 552 00:25:26,825 --> 00:25:30,160 It's gorgeous here. It's beautiful. 553 00:25:37,235 --> 00:25:39,737 [Christine] We've had a rough relationship for a couple of years. 554 00:25:39,771 --> 00:25:42,106 Ever since, well... 555 00:25:42,140 --> 00:25:45,242 I guess, the big blow-up about living in one house. 556 00:25:45,277 --> 00:25:47,389 And it's really been strained since then. 557 00:25:47,413 --> 00:25:49,280 It honestly has. It's been strained since then. 558 00:25:49,314 --> 00:25:51,081 So, and here we go. 559 00:25:51,116 --> 00:25:53,150 - There's the house. - Wow... 560 00:25:53,184 --> 00:25:55,419 - Wow. - [Truely] That's a big house. 561 00:25:55,453 --> 00:25:57,254 [Christine] Why didn't he listen to everything that I said 562 00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:58,455 for the past, like, five or six years? 563 00:25:58,490 --> 00:26:00,324 I don't want to live together again. 564 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,095 I told him point blank that was something I would never do again. 565 00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:07,298 And then it's like he didn't even care. 566 00:26:07,332 --> 00:26:09,700 I just thought, okay, well, I'm just last 567 00:26:09,734 --> 00:26:12,136 on his list of important people. 568 00:26:12,737 --> 00:26:14,772 [wind blowing] 569 00:26:18,543 --> 00:26:21,378 [Kody] Instead of rejecting Christine's complaints about plural marriage, 570 00:26:21,413 --> 00:26:23,180 I've opened myself up to them 571 00:26:23,214 --> 00:26:25,015 so that I can validate where she's at, 572 00:26:25,050 --> 00:26:26,750 and have a deeper understanding. 573 00:26:26,785 --> 00:26:29,286 And it's very much unraveled plural marriage for me. 574 00:26:29,321 --> 00:26:31,088 And it's made me a little bit cynical. 575 00:26:31,723 --> 00:26:34,992 There's this... This belief 576 00:26:35,026 --> 00:26:38,562 in our religion of this sort of thought process 577 00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:41,098 of endure to the end. 578 00:26:41,132 --> 00:26:43,934 I'm looking back at nearly 30 years of plural marriage, 579 00:26:43,969 --> 00:26:46,804 of marriage, in general, of our family. 580 00:26:46,838 --> 00:26:48,817 And it has been sort of 581 00:26:48,841 --> 00:26:50,941 an endure to the end experience. 582 00:26:50,976 --> 00:26:52,776 Looking forward to your death 583 00:26:52,811 --> 00:26:55,713 so you can meet the Almighty and go see how I endured 584 00:26:55,747 --> 00:26:58,415 all the personalities here? 585 00:26:58,450 --> 00:27:00,417 [Christine] He always talks about his big picture, 586 00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:04,788 and I just think that if I am in that big picture, 587 00:27:04,823 --> 00:27:06,123 I'm just a really small spot. 588 00:27:07,659 --> 00:27:11,929 It seems more and more that 589 00:27:11,963 --> 00:27:15,866 plural marriage is a challenge that she doesn't enjoy. 590 00:27:17,168 --> 00:27:18,235 And I'll be frank, 591 00:27:18,269 --> 00:27:20,404 plural marriage is not a challenge that I enjoy. 592 00:27:24,542 --> 00:27:28,846 More than anything with Kody is... 593 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,781 I don't feel like I'm very important to him. 594 00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:36,020 [Kody] Some of the difficulties that we have 595 00:27:36,054 --> 00:27:38,088 in marriage or in plural marriage 596 00:27:38,123 --> 00:27:40,024 may be unreconcilable. 597 00:27:40,058 --> 00:27:43,394 I just don't know what this means for our future. 598 00:27:46,464 --> 00:27:48,866 [Robyn] I have days when I'm baby hungry 599 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:50,567 and I really want another baby. 600 00:27:50,602 --> 00:27:52,670 [Kody] If you're trying to commit me, 601 00:27:52,704 --> 00:27:56,306 like right now, and I'd have to really focus. 602 00:27:56,341 --> 00:28:00,678 What she's doing is, "You gotta decide if you wanna have more kids." 603 00:28:06,584 --> 00:28:08,652 [Robyn] So, are you okay to have a discussion? 604 00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:11,355 [Kody] You know, like, a lot of times, when any of my wives would say, 605 00:28:11,389 --> 00:28:13,590 "Hey, I need to have a chat with you." I'd be like, 606 00:28:13,625 --> 00:28:16,160 "Okay, what have I... Am I in trouble?" 607 00:28:16,194 --> 00:28:19,063 - [Robyn] Let's just sit right over here. - Okay. 608 00:28:19,097 --> 00:28:22,166 Robyn's always really good about taking the time 609 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,634 to get me to understand the paradigms 610 00:28:23,668 --> 00:28:26,103 and understanding the viewpoints of others. 611 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,208 So... [laughs] 612 00:28:32,610 --> 00:28:36,947 - Darling... [laughs] - Yes, dear? 613 00:28:36,981 --> 00:28:39,183 I actually don't know what Robyn wants to talk about today. 614 00:28:40,185 --> 00:28:42,630 You know how, like a couple years ago, 615 00:28:42,654 --> 00:28:46,190 when we went back to Vegas for a little, you know, 616 00:28:46,224 --> 00:28:49,026 a little like, trip and I said, 617 00:28:50,061 --> 00:28:51,929 I said, "Are we done having kids?" 618 00:28:53,832 --> 00:28:57,167 We both kind of went, uh, "I think no. I think we're done." 619 00:28:58,203 --> 00:28:59,603 I'm 41 years old. 620 00:28:59,637 --> 00:29:01,205 We need to decide this now. 621 00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:03,507 Like, there is a biological clock ticking. 622 00:29:03,541 --> 00:29:06,744 I'm not getting younger. We can't sit here and stall out on this 623 00:29:06,778 --> 00:29:08,612 if this is what we're gonna do. 624 00:29:09,848 --> 00:29:12,249 I have days when I'm baby hungry 625 00:29:12,283 --> 00:29:14,818 and I really want another baby. 626 00:29:14,853 --> 00:29:17,654 And you keep making comments and jokes 627 00:29:17,689 --> 00:29:20,958 and then, "I don't know if I'm done." 628 00:29:20,992 --> 00:29:25,629 - Are you calling me out sort of? - A little... yeah. [laughs] 629 00:29:25,663 --> 00:29:27,598 I brought you out to say... 630 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,568 What is going on? 631 00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:34,371 I feel 100% like I want to have Kody's commitment 632 00:29:34,405 --> 00:29:35,405 'cause he is older. 633 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,709 He's got wives that are, like, completely done. 634 00:29:38,743 --> 00:29:40,677 If we're gonna have a baby, we're both gonna be committed 635 00:29:40,712 --> 00:29:43,213 and you're gonna be holding a baby. 636 00:29:43,248 --> 00:29:47,117 If you're trying to commit me, like, right now, 637 00:29:47,152 --> 00:29:48,952 and I'd have to really focus. 638 00:29:50,555 --> 00:29:52,256 What she's doing is, 639 00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:55,459 "You gotta decide if you want to have more kids." 640 00:29:55,493 --> 00:29:57,928 I'm caught in a conundrum, completely. 641 00:29:57,962 --> 00:29:59,329 You know, this is what I've always done. 642 00:29:59,364 --> 00:30:00,597 This is what I've always been. 643 00:30:00,632 --> 00:30:01,799 I've always been 644 00:30:01,833 --> 00:30:06,336 fathering and having special experiences with little people 645 00:30:06,371 --> 00:30:08,539 - 'cause they're just, they're just... - Yeah. 646 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,240 They're sweet. 647 00:30:10,275 --> 00:30:14,144 Logan was born in two... in '94. 648 00:30:14,179 --> 00:30:17,781 We have 18 children between basically all the adults. 649 00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:21,385 Children from 26 years old, down to four years old. 650 00:30:21,419 --> 00:30:23,587 [indistinct chatter] 651 00:30:23,621 --> 00:30:28,325 I'm pretty sure that I've been having kids for 26 years. 652 00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:32,162 There's this real joy about having a little one. 653 00:30:32,197 --> 00:30:36,033 Ari's been such a... just a wonderful experience. 654 00:30:36,067 --> 00:30:40,971 But at the same time, I'm caught in this conflict. 655 00:30:41,005 --> 00:30:43,173 Because Ari's been weaned for a year 656 00:30:43,208 --> 00:30:45,742 and she's still keeping us up at night. 657 00:30:45,777 --> 00:30:49,680 - Started to get better once she was weaned and stuff. - No, it's not better. 658 00:30:50,782 --> 00:30:53,150 Ari is four years old. She just turned four, 659 00:30:53,184 --> 00:30:55,686 and she is, uh, she's a night owl. 660 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,254 She doesn't like to go to bed. 661 00:30:57,288 --> 00:30:59,289 And she's active through the night. 662 00:31:00,325 --> 00:31:01,725 [Kody] She's a night owl. 663 00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:05,429 I'm literally having a hard time keeping my head from wobbling. 664 00:31:05,463 --> 00:31:07,464 Ariella's jumping on the couch 665 00:31:07,498 --> 00:31:09,466 trying to find out how high she can go. 666 00:31:11,569 --> 00:31:12,803 If I looked in the mirror, 667 00:31:12,837 --> 00:31:15,606 I would just see this guy that looks like bloodshot eyes, 668 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,307 hair is just frazzled. 669 00:31:17,342 --> 00:31:19,977 Can you just go to sleep? [chuckles] 670 00:31:21,412 --> 00:31:23,614 It's mental exhaustion. 671 00:31:23,648 --> 00:31:26,950 You're arguing with a four-year-old 672 00:31:26,985 --> 00:31:31,588 who has the words of a 10-year-old, 673 00:31:31,623 --> 00:31:34,291 and the logic of an idiot. 674 00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:37,961 Women talk about that feeling of, like, 675 00:31:37,996 --> 00:31:41,064 "Oh, I'm done." I've never really got that. 676 00:31:42,533 --> 00:31:46,036 You know when you're young and, um... 677 00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:48,438 And you're just thinking about having children and people will say, 678 00:31:48,473 --> 00:31:50,140 "How many kids you're gonna have?" 679 00:31:50,174 --> 00:31:52,943 I would always say, "Just as many as I'm supposed to have. 680 00:31:52,977 --> 00:31:55,145 As many as I've made promises to." 681 00:31:55,179 --> 00:31:56,647 It is, it's a big deal to me. 682 00:31:57,982 --> 00:31:59,549 [sniffles] 683 00:31:59,584 --> 00:32:01,251 [tearfully] To make sure... 684 00:32:01,286 --> 00:32:03,220 To make sure all my babies are here with me. 685 00:32:03,254 --> 00:32:04,955 That's all. 686 00:32:04,989 --> 00:32:08,992 In my head, I made promises to a certain amount of children 687 00:32:09,027 --> 00:32:11,495 to be their mother, you know, in the pre-life, 688 00:32:11,529 --> 00:32:15,165 and I wanna fulfill all those promises. 689 00:32:15,233 --> 00:32:18,936 I wanna have a life with you that's not just all about our kids. 690 00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:21,405 - Okay. - What do you think about that, though? 691 00:32:21,439 --> 00:32:24,107 Do you feel like, hallelujah? 692 00:32:24,142 --> 00:32:26,543 I feel relieved and sad at the same time. 693 00:32:32,216 --> 00:32:33,417 [Kody] She's mixed on this. 694 00:32:35,253 --> 00:32:37,487 I'm walking on eggshells here, in a way, 695 00:32:38,523 --> 00:32:42,592 because I don't want to discourage Robyn 696 00:32:42,627 --> 00:32:44,194 from us having a baby, 697 00:32:45,196 --> 00:32:48,231 if she feels a premonition that we should. 698 00:32:49,133 --> 00:32:51,768 I don't know what it was but I... 699 00:32:53,004 --> 00:32:58,275 had something, someone, hanging around our room all day. 700 00:33:01,412 --> 00:33:04,314 I believe that we exist in a spiritual form 701 00:33:04,349 --> 00:33:06,149 before we are born and come to earth. 702 00:33:07,051 --> 00:33:09,786 I believe that I have had interactions 703 00:33:09,821 --> 00:33:12,622 with some of my children you know, when they were a spirit 704 00:33:12,657 --> 00:33:15,592 just to, you know, before they were born. 705 00:33:15,626 --> 00:33:18,395 Just a little dark-haired boy. 706 00:33:18,429 --> 00:33:19,896 - Really? - [Robyn] Mmm-hmm. 707 00:33:23,101 --> 00:33:27,104 There's this crazy fear in my head... [sighs] 708 00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:31,174 That I'll leave somebody behind. 709 00:33:31,209 --> 00:33:34,644 - You have not helped me answer this question. - [laughs] 710 00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:37,047 [Kody] I felt like we... The decision's made 711 00:33:37,081 --> 00:33:39,082 and then she blows me out of the water 712 00:33:39,117 --> 00:33:42,052 with a visual of a dark-haired boy. 713 00:33:44,255 --> 00:33:46,890 Now, if we got a blonde girl... [laughs] 714 00:33:46,924 --> 00:33:49,493 If we decide to do it and we got a blonde girl... 715 00:33:49,527 --> 00:33:51,194 we'd go, "All right", 716 00:33:51,229 --> 00:33:54,765 "we have somebody from somebody else's pile now," you know? 717 00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:57,501 My blond hair really comes out in the kids. 718 00:33:57,535 --> 00:33:59,069 So, I doubt that we'd have a dark-haired boy. 719 00:33:59,103 --> 00:34:01,571 Maybe we're supposed to adopt, I have no idea. 720 00:34:01,606 --> 00:34:05,308 Adoption was never an option 'cause we were having our own children. 721 00:34:05,343 --> 00:34:07,644 But now that we're winding up here, 722 00:34:07,678 --> 00:34:09,946 the idea of adoption is something that would be 723 00:34:09,981 --> 00:34:11,648 more appealing to me. 724 00:34:13,551 --> 00:34:15,886 And well, if you don't feel done, 725 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,155 maybe we need to think about this some more. 726 00:34:18,189 --> 00:34:21,825 If I don't know that I'm done, maybe we need to make sure. 727 00:34:22,693 --> 00:34:24,594 I don't know what else to do with it. 728 00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:28,131 Because I don't have a strong answer either way. 729 00:34:35,807 --> 00:34:38,542 It's hard to get together and feel like I still matter, 730 00:34:38,576 --> 00:34:40,210 I'm still important. 731 00:34:40,244 --> 00:34:43,313 If we don't start taking care of our community now, 732 00:34:43,347 --> 00:34:44,748 it's not gonna exist. 733 00:34:46,751 --> 00:34:47,751 [cow mooing] 734 00:34:57,662 --> 00:34:59,429 - [Janelle] Oh, he's back! - Hi, guys. 735 00:34:59,464 --> 00:35:01,598 [Gabriel] Get him! 736 00:35:01,632 --> 00:35:03,133 Oh, you're really back. 737 00:35:03,167 --> 00:35:05,535 [Janelle] So, Hunter's just graduated from the Air Force Academy. 738 00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:07,537 And he'll be home for three months, for the whole summer, 739 00:35:07,572 --> 00:35:10,340 which is the longest he's been home since he graduated... 740 00:35:10,374 --> 00:35:12,175 like, right after he graduated from high school 741 00:35:12,210 --> 00:35:13,977 and went to the Academy. 742 00:35:14,011 --> 00:35:15,278 [indistinct chatter] 743 00:35:15,313 --> 00:35:17,414 [dog barking] 744 00:35:17,448 --> 00:35:19,149 I'm actually really excited. 745 00:35:19,183 --> 00:35:21,251 As my children have gotten older and they come back, 746 00:35:21,285 --> 00:35:24,621 I've realized how much I... 747 00:35:24,655 --> 00:35:27,491 my life is about having them home. 748 00:35:27,525 --> 00:35:30,794 -[dog growls] -Get down. [indistinct chatter] 749 00:35:30,828 --> 00:35:33,263 Hunter just is kind of the life of the party. 750 00:35:33,297 --> 00:35:36,933 You definitely don't miss that Hunter has come in the door. 751 00:35:36,968 --> 00:35:40,370 - Yeah, that's fine... Oh. - [Gabriel laughs] 752 00:35:40,404 --> 00:35:43,740 [Janelle] Because we're trying to be really careful about exposure risk, 753 00:35:43,774 --> 00:35:47,477 Kody is going to stay away for a couple of weeks. 754 00:35:48,646 --> 00:35:51,081 [Hunter] Oh, it's good to be home. 755 00:35:51,115 --> 00:35:53,550 [Janelle] It's a very rare occurrence that he's home 756 00:35:53,584 --> 00:35:54,718 for more than two weeks. 757 00:35:54,752 --> 00:35:57,554 And so I think that's just an impetus for us to finally 758 00:35:57,588 --> 00:36:01,024 figure out how we're gonna get together as a family this summer. 759 00:36:14,705 --> 00:36:16,173 [Christine] Janelle called me and asked me 760 00:36:16,207 --> 00:36:18,308 if we could talk today. 761 00:36:20,678 --> 00:36:24,014 I don't like conversations that are heavy, no, 762 00:36:24,949 --> 00:36:28,051 but when you're with four other adults, 763 00:36:28,085 --> 00:36:30,820 together, in a family, 764 00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:33,390 you have to have serious conversations. 765 00:36:34,458 --> 00:36:37,794 So I have to put on my adult panties today. 766 00:36:39,096 --> 00:36:41,431 - [Janelle] This is nice. - [Christine] It's a nice backyard, huh? 767 00:36:41,465 --> 00:36:44,834 Yeah, I haven't been out here for a long time. 768 00:36:44,869 --> 00:36:47,103 This is really awkward 'cause I can't really figure out how, I can't, 769 00:36:47,138 --> 00:36:48,405 I can't figure out the greatest way, 770 00:36:48,439 --> 00:36:49,673 so, I'm just gonna jump in. 771 00:36:49,707 --> 00:36:52,275 - I'm always a good fan of jumping in. - [laughs] 772 00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:54,244 So, it's about communication styles, 773 00:36:54,278 --> 00:36:56,446 and I've realized, I think, there's something I wanna change 774 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,449 about my communication style. 775 00:36:59,483 --> 00:37:02,452 And I think it's when I tend to get so excited 776 00:37:02,486 --> 00:37:05,422 about what I want, that I can't let it alone. 777 00:37:05,456 --> 00:37:08,491 [Christine] Janelle's very stubborn. Like, she has blinders on. 778 00:37:08,526 --> 00:37:09,793 And that's what she's aiming for, 779 00:37:09,827 --> 00:37:12,195 and that's what she's going for. She does do that. 780 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:13,763 I think I'm gonna try to change that. 781 00:37:13,798 --> 00:37:15,532 'Cause we do have some big things that we have to 782 00:37:15,566 --> 00:37:17,234 communicate about as a family, 783 00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:20,604 in the next several months. 784 00:37:20,638 --> 00:37:21,871 And I wanna make sure that we're good 785 00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:24,274 because with the one house conversation, 786 00:37:24,308 --> 00:37:27,410 - you and I were definitely very loud on opposite ends. - Yeah. 787 00:37:27,445 --> 00:37:29,179 Janelle was way in favor of 788 00:37:29,213 --> 00:37:30,814 living in one house all together, 789 00:37:30,848 --> 00:37:32,649 and she was at one end of the spectrum 790 00:37:32,683 --> 00:37:35,051 and I was at completely the other end of the spectrum 791 00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:37,520 saying, "No, I'm not gonna live together in one house." 792 00:37:37,555 --> 00:37:40,890 And I really have no hard feelings about... 793 00:37:40,925 --> 00:37:42,859 everything and I wanna just make sure that, 794 00:37:42,893 --> 00:37:45,729 - I wanna clear the air. - I'm good with you now. 795 00:37:45,763 --> 00:37:48,164 But when we were in the one house, 796 00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:50,500 there's a few reasons why I don't want to. 797 00:37:50,534 --> 00:37:55,472 One of the reasons was, I felt like everybody, like, what you and Kody wanted me to do 798 00:37:55,506 --> 00:37:57,140 was more important than what I wanted to do. 799 00:37:58,709 --> 00:38:02,846 I just look back and wish I would've taken better care 800 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,214 of my kids. 801 00:38:07,618 --> 00:38:11,554 I just wish I would've stood up for myself more. 802 00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:15,058 I got overwhelmed, and I know myself. 803 00:38:15,092 --> 00:38:17,460 And I know that if I was in a one-house again, 804 00:38:17,495 --> 00:38:18,595 it'd be the same thing. 805 00:38:18,629 --> 00:38:21,197 That's fair. I could, I could see that. 806 00:38:21,232 --> 00:38:24,100 This is kind of a long-standing deep hurt, I think. 807 00:38:24,135 --> 00:38:26,681 And I think that it could have been handled so much better 808 00:38:26,705 --> 00:38:28,972 if we would've been communicating, 809 00:38:29,006 --> 00:38:30,774 and really listening and really saying 810 00:38:30,808 --> 00:38:32,742 what we needed to say. 811 00:38:32,777 --> 00:38:34,444 - Sometimes it just feels awkward... - Yeah. 812 00:38:34,478 --> 00:38:36,179 ...when we are all together. 813 00:38:36,213 --> 00:38:38,181 - I wonder why. - Feels awkward? 814 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:46,356 I'm always a little nervous. I'm always a little nervous. 815 00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:49,125 Like nauseous, to the point of being nauseous. 816 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,961 It's hard to get together and feel like I still matter, 817 00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:53,363 that I'm still important. 818 00:38:54,732 --> 00:38:57,000 'Cause I think when it comes down to it... 819 00:38:59,503 --> 00:39:01,771 I don't matter that much, not really. 820 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,342 So, it's hard to come into a place where... 821 00:39:06,477 --> 00:39:08,945 I think I'm gonna have equal say 'cause I won't. 822 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,981 I won't have equal voice, 'cause I won't. 823 00:39:17,455 --> 00:39:20,457 Do you think that the communication methods or styles 824 00:39:20,491 --> 00:39:23,059 could help you feel like you were more heard? 825 00:39:23,094 --> 00:39:24,527 I think so. I hope so. 826 00:39:25,896 --> 00:39:27,364 I don't feel like we're at the point 827 00:39:27,398 --> 00:39:29,499 where we can be completely honest. 828 00:39:29,533 --> 00:39:32,213 - Why not? Why not make it that point? - Oh, God. 829 00:39:32,237 --> 00:39:34,571 I just think that it's time to talk about some of that stuff. 830 00:39:34,605 --> 00:39:35,905 Are you thinking I'm nuts? 831 00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:38,274 I don't think you're nuts, but I think it's unrealistic. 832 00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:42,479 There's a fine line between being honest 833 00:39:42,947 --> 00:39:45,048 and being safe, 834 00:39:45,082 --> 00:39:46,516 and that can be crossed easily. 835 00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:48,985 Bring the fall-out. Bring it. 836 00:39:49,019 --> 00:39:52,422 'Cause we're never gonna make progress until we get through the mess. 837 00:39:52,456 --> 00:39:54,691 I'm willing to give it a try, just so you know. 838 00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:56,493 - I'm completely willing. - Okay, you're not hopeful. 839 00:39:56,527 --> 00:39:58,194 No, well... 840 00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:02,599 um... I hate to say that but yes. 841 00:40:02,633 --> 00:40:03,533 No, not really. 842 00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:05,034 It's easy to just live separate. 843 00:40:05,069 --> 00:40:07,570 - Like, it's really easy, I feel like thinking I should... - It is easy. 844 00:40:07,605 --> 00:40:10,740 Like, I could just focus on my kids and I don't want... 845 00:40:11,642 --> 00:40:13,943 part of me is that's so easy. 846 00:40:13,978 --> 00:40:16,746 But part of me is like, you know, that's really not what I signed up for. 847 00:40:16,781 --> 00:40:19,249 No, it's not what any of us signed up for. 848 00:40:19,283 --> 00:40:22,051 So I don't wanna do what we have now, 849 00:40:22,086 --> 00:40:23,953 I don't think it's sustainable. 850 00:40:23,988 --> 00:40:26,189 Well, it's stupid. It's separate. 851 00:40:26,223 --> 00:40:28,725 It's not what we signed up for. 852 00:40:28,759 --> 00:40:30,794 I really truly believe at my core 853 00:40:30,828 --> 00:40:32,762 that if we can't figure this out, 854 00:40:32,797 --> 00:40:34,030 nobody's wanna stick together 855 00:40:34,064 --> 00:40:35,732 if we're not communicating effectively, 856 00:40:35,766 --> 00:40:36,800 who wants to stick around? 857 00:40:36,834 --> 00:40:38,568 That's way too much work and it's not very much fun. 858 00:40:38,602 --> 00:40:41,438 [sniffs] So, I think it is the key to our ultimate 859 00:40:41,472 --> 00:40:44,741 long-term survival as a family unit. 860 00:40:44,775 --> 00:40:47,710 I think we are at a crossroads. I think Janelle's 100% right. 861 00:40:48,412 --> 00:40:51,915 We are at a crossroads and... 862 00:40:51,949 --> 00:40:54,150 what she doesn't know is another crossroad 863 00:40:54,185 --> 00:40:55,785 of moving back to Utah. 864 00:40:58,222 --> 00:40:59,622 I just think that we need to move back to Utah. 865 00:41:02,593 --> 00:41:05,528 [Christine] I would love to move back to Utah with all of us. 866 00:41:05,563 --> 00:41:07,430 We have a community there. 867 00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:10,967 Twenty years from now, us just living by ourselves 868 00:41:11,001 --> 00:41:13,736 as the only polygamists in this area, 869 00:41:14,638 --> 00:41:17,640 together on Coyote Pass, 870 00:41:17,675 --> 00:41:21,478 it just sounds really, really lonely. 871 00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:25,482 I'm in a place where I want something different. 872 00:41:25,516 --> 00:41:27,383 But what we've been doing hasn't been working. 873 00:41:27,418 --> 00:41:29,519 So, I'd like to try something different. 874 00:41:29,553 --> 00:41:32,155 And I guess the communication is the biggest piece of it. 875 00:41:32,189 --> 00:41:33,089 So... 876 00:41:33,123 --> 00:41:34,457 I think so, too. 877 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,595 I really truly believe that if we don't start taking care of 878 00:41:38,629 --> 00:41:41,264 our quote, unquote community now, 879 00:41:41,298 --> 00:41:43,266 uh, it's not gonna exist. 880 00:41:48,072 --> 00:41:50,106 [narrator] Next time on Sister Wives... 881 00:41:50,140 --> 00:41:52,642 Well, the pandemic's been going on for about seven weeks. 882 00:41:54,578 --> 00:41:56,546 I'm the only one that's going from home to home. 883 00:41:56,580 --> 00:41:59,649 So, all I'm trying to do is say, "Let's wait." 884 00:41:59,683 --> 00:42:02,151 This will not go away until they have a vaccine. 885 00:42:02,186 --> 00:42:04,053 We'll get together when it's safe. 886 00:42:04,088 --> 00:42:05,822 We'll be lucky if we have a family at that... 887 00:42:05,856 --> 00:42:07,123 at the end of that time. 888 00:42:07,157 --> 00:42:10,193 "Oh, Dad! You know, you're so stupid, Dad. 889 00:42:10,227 --> 00:42:12,328 I'd rather be around the kids than you anyway." 890 00:42:13,097 --> 00:42:15,031 [indistinct chatter] 891 00:42:15,065 --> 00:42:17,367 [Christine] A little bit of distance for Kody and I is okay. 892 00:42:17,401 --> 00:42:20,036 Things are just hard at home when he's there. 893 00:42:20,070 --> 00:42:23,606 Just seeing him for a couple of hours a week isn't enough. 894 00:42:23,641 --> 00:42:26,709 I just really wanna move back to Utah. 895 00:42:26,744 --> 00:42:29,279 One, two, three, four wives said, "No. 896 00:42:29,313 --> 00:42:31,948 We're never moving back to Utah."