1 00:00:02,206 --> 00:00:03,931 PREVIOUSLY ON "SISTER WIVES"... 2 00:00:03,931 --> 00:00:06,034 Kody: WE'RE GONNA BE VISITING WITH ANOTHER PLURAL FAMILY. 3 00:00:06,034 --> 00:00:07,517 WE'VE KNOWN THEM FOR YEARS. 4 00:00:07,517 --> 00:00:09,310 -HEY, THERE! -OH, MY GOSH, HI. 5 00:00:09,310 --> 00:00:11,206 Janelle: YOU KNOW, THE DARGERS LIVE UNDER ONE ROOF. 6 00:00:11,206 --> 00:00:13,551 THEY JUST HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK. 7 00:00:13,551 --> 00:00:16,068 I UNDERSTAND KODY'S WANTING EVERYONE TOGETHER, 8 00:00:16,068 --> 00:00:18,172 'CAUSE I THINK THE CONS SEEM PETTY TO ME. 9 00:00:18,172 --> 00:00:19,793 I HATE THIS CONVERSATION. 10 00:00:19,793 --> 00:00:22,758 DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP 11 00:00:22,758 --> 00:00:24,172 WITH YOUR SISTER-WIFE? 12 00:00:24,172 --> 00:00:26,241 MAYBE THERE ARE SOME OF US WHO ARE LIKE, 13 00:00:26,241 --> 00:00:27,689 "LOOK, I DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE." 14 00:00:28,827 --> 00:00:30,758 Meri: OUR CHURCH DOES NOT BELIEVE 15 00:00:30,758 --> 00:00:34,448 THAT SAME-SEX RELATIONSHIPS ARE APPROPRIATE... 16 00:00:34,448 --> 00:00:36,000 -WHAT?!WHAT?!WHAT?! -WHAT?! 17 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,482 [ ALL CHEERING ] 18 00:00:38,482 --> 00:00:40,827 ...AND WE ACCEPT MARIAH 19 00:00:40,827 --> 00:00:43,275 AND HER CHOOSING TO MARRY AUDREY. 20 00:00:43,275 --> 00:00:45,793 Kody: I THINK OUR YOUNGER CHILDREN DON'T EVEN MAKE THE DISTINCTION. 21 00:00:45,793 --> 00:00:47,862 THEY'RE IN LOVE, SO THEY'RE GONNA GET MARRIED. 22 00:00:47,862 --> 00:00:49,655 MERI, IT'S THIS SIMPLE. 23 00:00:49,655 --> 00:00:51,620 I SUGGESTED A PLACE FOR YOU. 24 00:00:51,620 --> 00:00:52,793 UH-HUH. 25 00:00:52,793 --> 00:00:54,551 YOU SUGGESTED THAT YOU WEREN'T INTO THAT. 26 00:00:54,551 --> 00:00:58,068 SO SOMEBODY ELSE SAID, "WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO BE THERE." 27 00:00:58,068 --> 00:01:00,965 I REALLY HAVEN'T SPENT A LOT OF TIME 28 00:01:00,965 --> 00:01:03,551 TRYING TO, LIKE, FIGURE OUT 29 00:01:03,551 --> 00:01:07,724 WHAT WOULD BE MY ULTIMATE SPOT ON THAT PROPERTY. 30 00:01:07,724 --> 00:01:11,172 YOU WANTED TO BE IN THE TREES, MERI. 31 00:01:11,172 --> 00:01:13,137 AND THEN, YOU TOLD US 32 00:01:13,137 --> 00:01:15,931 THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN THE TREES ANYMORE. 33 00:01:15,931 --> 00:01:19,344 THERE WASN'T A PROBLEM HERE UNTIL MERI SAID, 34 00:01:19,344 --> 00:01:20,931 "I DON'T WANT THAT, AND I DON'T WANT THIS, 35 00:01:20,931 --> 00:01:22,655 BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANT." 36 00:01:22,655 --> 00:01:26,206 I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY NEED THIS CONVERSATION TODAY 37 00:01:26,206 --> 00:01:28,172 TO NOT BE AN ATTACK ON ME. 38 00:01:28,172 --> 00:01:29,413 IT'S NOT. 39 00:01:29,413 --> 00:01:32,517 ♪ 40 00:01:32,517 --> 00:01:35,517 --Captions by VITAC-- www.vitac.com 41 00:01:35,517 --> 00:01:38,482 CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS 42 00:01:38,482 --> 00:02:02,620 ♪ 43 00:02:02,620 --> 00:02:04,862 Meri: SO, THE LAST TIME THAT MARIAH AND AUDREY 44 00:02:04,862 --> 00:02:06,758 WERE HERE IN FLAGSTAFF 45 00:02:06,758 --> 00:02:09,724 WAS WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WERE ENGAGED, 46 00:02:09,724 --> 00:02:11,620 AND THAT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO. 47 00:02:11,620 --> 00:02:13,689 IT'S BEEN WAY TOO LONG. 48 00:02:13,689 --> 00:02:15,379 WE'RE HERE VISITING FAMILY. 49 00:02:15,379 --> 00:02:16,413 WE HAVEN'T BEEN HERE... 50 00:02:16,413 --> 00:02:18,344 -A HOT MINUTE. -IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. 51 00:02:18,344 --> 00:02:21,034 SO WE HAVEN'T SEEN MOST OF THE FAMILY IN A WHILE, 52 00:02:21,034 --> 00:02:26,068 AND WE'RE GONNA JUST TALK TO 'EM ABOUT SOME PLANS -- 53 00:02:26,068 --> 00:02:27,655 SOME CHANGES TO OUR PLANS, I GUESS... 54 00:02:27,655 --> 00:02:30,551 YEP....THAT WE'VE BEEN MADE. 55 00:02:30,551 --> 00:02:31,689 HELLO! 56 00:02:31,689 --> 00:02:33,275 Meri: KODY AND JANELLE ARE OUT OF TOWN, 57 00:02:33,275 --> 00:02:37,379 SO THEY WON'T GET IN ON THIS LITTLE TIDBIT OF INFORMATION. 58 00:02:37,379 --> 00:02:40,103 WE'LL HAVE TO SHARE THAT WITH THEM LATER. 59 00:02:40,103 --> 00:02:41,482 HEY! 60 00:02:41,482 --> 00:02:43,448 HI! -HI! -HI! HI! 61 00:02:43,448 --> 00:02:45,551 [ INDISTINCT CHATTER ] HELLO, SISTERS! 62 00:02:45,551 --> 00:02:47,275 Woman: HEY! 63 00:02:47,275 --> 00:02:48,344 Christine: OH, MY GOSH. 64 00:02:48,344 --> 00:02:50,413 AUDREY AND MARIAH ARE IN TOWN, FINALLY! 65 00:02:50,413 --> 00:02:52,482 WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS. 66 00:02:52,482 --> 00:02:53,620 I'M SO EXCITED. 67 00:02:53,620 --> 00:02:55,620 IT'S SO -- EASY! 68 00:02:55,620 --> 00:02:58,344 MARIAH AND AUDREY LIVE IN CHICAGO, 69 00:02:58,344 --> 00:02:59,931 SO THEY JUST LIVE TOO FAR AWAY FOR US 70 00:02:59,931 --> 00:03:01,034 TO GO VISIT THEM ALL THE TIME. 71 00:03:01,034 --> 00:03:02,724 IT'S JUST SAD. 72 00:03:02,724 --> 00:03:04,000 I MISSED YOU GUYS. 73 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,724 WE MISSED YOU, TOO. IT'S BEEN TOO LONG. 74 00:03:05,724 --> 00:03:06,758 IT HAS BEEN TOO LONG. 75 00:03:06,758 --> 00:03:07,965 YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE KIDS FOR HOW LONG? 76 00:03:07,965 --> 00:03:09,586 IT'S BEEN ALMOST A YEAR. 77 00:03:09,586 --> 00:03:11,034 OH, MY GOD. YEAH. 78 00:03:11,034 --> 00:03:14,862 BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY DECIDED TO MOVE BACK TO UTAH. 79 00:03:14,862 --> 00:03:16,275 Meri: ISN'T THIS THE MOST EXCITING THING 80 00:03:16,275 --> 00:03:17,793 YOU'VE EVER HEARD IN YOUR WHOLE LIFE? 81 00:03:17,793 --> 00:03:19,379 -Mariah: YEAH. -Woman: IT'S AWESOME! 82 00:03:19,379 --> 00:03:21,344 I MEAN, IT IS FOR ME! 83 00:03:21,344 --> 00:03:25,724 HONESTLY, THAT'S THE BEST NEWS EVER. 84 00:03:25,724 --> 00:03:27,241 NOW IF ONLY WE COULD GET TO UTAH. 85 00:03:27,241 --> 00:03:30,034 OH, MY GOSH. I DID NOT GO THERE. 86 00:03:30,034 --> 00:03:33,275 I AM, OF COURSE, KIDDING. 87 00:03:33,275 --> 00:03:35,034 OF COURSE. 88 00:03:35,034 --> 00:03:37,206 WE'RE GONNA MOVE BACK BECAUSE WE MISS BEING AROUND YOU GUYS, AND... 89 00:03:37,206 --> 00:03:38,827 Christine: REALLY? SO, TO UTAH. 90 00:03:38,827 --> 00:03:42,068 ...AND A YEAR WITHOUT MY SIBLINGS IS WAY TOO LONG. 91 00:03:42,068 --> 00:03:43,068 YEAH. 92 00:03:43,068 --> 00:03:45,275 AND I'M SORRY THAT I DID THAT. 93 00:03:45,275 --> 00:03:46,931 Meri: UTAH IS A PLACE THAT THEY LOVE. 94 00:03:46,931 --> 00:03:49,413 AUDREY GREW UP IN UTAH, AS WELL, 95 00:03:49,413 --> 00:03:51,793 SO UTAH IS JUST HOME FOR THEM. 96 00:03:51,793 --> 00:03:53,379 REALLY? WHAT PART? ARE YOU GOING BACK TO SALT LAKE? 97 00:03:53,379 --> 00:03:54,379 WE'LL GO BACK TO SALT LAKE. 98 00:03:54,379 --> 00:03:55,413 REALLY? OKAY. 99 00:03:55,413 --> 00:03:56,448 WE'LL GO BACK TO SALT LAKE. 100 00:03:56,448 --> 00:03:58,965 WE LOVE CHICAGO, BUT IT'S TIME. 101 00:03:58,965 --> 00:04:02,862 IT'S TIME FOR US TO BE HOME, I THINK. 102 00:04:02,862 --> 00:04:04,758 YEAH, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE'RE REALLY STARTING 103 00:04:04,758 --> 00:04:07,827 TO THINK ABOUT WHAT STARTING A FAMILY LOOKS LIKE FOR US. 104 00:04:07,827 --> 00:04:11,655 IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE BE CLOSE TO FAMILY 105 00:04:11,655 --> 00:04:14,206 AND PEOPLE THAT ARE CLOSE TO US. 106 00:04:14,206 --> 00:04:16,310 EVENTUALLY, YES, WE WILL START A FAMILY. 107 00:04:16,310 --> 00:04:17,310 YEAH. DON'T WORRY. 108 00:04:17,310 --> 00:04:18,965 WE'RE GONNA GET MARRIED FIRST. 109 00:04:18,965 --> 00:04:20,586 WHEN ARE YOU GONNA DO IT? WHEN ARE YOU GONNA BE MOVING? 110 00:04:20,586 --> 00:04:22,862 SO, I'M GONNA FINISH THE SEMESTER, 111 00:04:22,862 --> 00:04:25,689 AND THEN I WILL TRANSFER MY SOCIAL WORK DEGREE TO THE U. 112 00:04:25,689 --> 00:04:27,620 SO THIS IS -- 113 00:04:27,620 --> 00:04:29,517 -SO, LIKE THIS SUMMER. -THIS SUMMER! 114 00:04:29,517 --> 00:04:30,931 LIKE, IN SIX MONTHS. 115 00:04:30,931 --> 00:04:31,862 Christine: OKAY, SO, YOU'RE NOT GETTING MARRIED 116 00:04:31,862 --> 00:04:34,000 IN CHICAGO EITHER ANYMORE. 117 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,586 SO WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT GONNA GET MARRIED IN CHICAGO ANYMORE. 118 00:04:35,586 --> 00:04:36,724 ALL RIGHT. 119 00:04:36,724 --> 00:04:38,310 WE'RE GONNA GET MARRIED IN SALT LAKE. 120 00:04:38,310 --> 00:04:40,241 WELL, NO WONDER YOU NEVER SAID A LOCATION! 121 00:04:40,241 --> 00:04:41,793 YOU NEVER SAID A LOCATION OR ANYTHING! 122 00:04:41,793 --> 00:04:45,137 I'M SO EXCITED TO HELP THEM START PLANNING THE WEDDING. 123 00:04:45,137 --> 00:04:46,655 Mariah: NO, WE HAVEN'T EVEN SET A LOCATION YET, 124 00:04:46,655 --> 00:04:48,000 SO IT'S KIND OF PERFECT. 125 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,310 WELL, WE WERE TALKING TO OUR FRIENDS, AND THEY WERE LIKE, 126 00:04:50,310 --> 00:04:52,000 "YOU GUYS LOVE THE MOUNTAINS SO MUCH. 127 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,862 WHY AREN'T YOU GETTING MARRIED IN THE MOUNTAINS?" 128 00:04:53,862 --> 00:04:56,448 AND WE WERE LIKE, "THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 129 00:04:56,448 --> 00:04:58,517 WHY AREN'T WE GETTING MARRIED IN THE MOUNTAINS?" 130 00:04:58,517 --> 00:05:00,310 WE'LL PROBABLY BE GETTING MARRIED 131 00:05:00,310 --> 00:05:02,931 IN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, AT THIS POINT. 132 00:05:02,931 --> 00:05:04,034 HOW ARE YOU GUYS FEELING ABOUT IT? 133 00:05:04,034 --> 00:05:05,241 HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT? 134 00:05:05,241 --> 00:05:07,689 WE FEEL SO MUCH PEACE ABOUT IT, 'CAUSE WE -- 135 00:05:07,689 --> 00:05:10,551 [ LAUGHS ] WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT TO DO, 136 00:05:10,551 --> 00:05:13,758 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN SO BUSY IN CHICAGO, 137 00:05:13,758 --> 00:05:14,862 AND WE'VE BEEN MISSING YOU GUYS. 138 00:05:14,862 --> 00:05:16,517 WE'VE BEEN MISSING UTAH. 139 00:05:16,517 --> 00:05:17,586 WE'VE BEEN MISSING -- 140 00:05:17,586 --> 00:05:18,758 AND WE HAVE SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES. 141 00:05:18,758 --> 00:05:20,275 WE'VE BEEN MISSING GRANDMA. 142 00:05:20,275 --> 00:05:23,517 SO, YOU GUYS ARE MOVING BACK 'CAUSE YOU MISS PEOPLE? 143 00:05:23,517 --> 00:05:25,275 -IT'S PEOPLE, MOSTLY? -YEAH. 144 00:05:25,275 --> 00:05:26,344 I BROUGHT IT UP TO AUDREY. 145 00:05:26,344 --> 00:05:28,034 I MEAN, SHE'S BEEN KIND OF STRUGGLING 146 00:05:28,034 --> 00:05:31,586 WITH BEING THERE FOR A BIT, 147 00:05:31,586 --> 00:05:34,655 AND I BROUGHT IT UP TO HER A FEW WEEKS AGO. 148 00:05:34,655 --> 00:05:36,862 I MEAN, I COULD SEE THAT IT WAS HARD FOR AUDREY 149 00:05:36,862 --> 00:05:38,586 TO LIVE IN CHICAGO. 150 00:05:38,586 --> 00:05:39,965 I COULD TELL IT WAS HARD FOR HER. 151 00:05:39,965 --> 00:05:41,275 I MEAN, I... [ SIGHS ] 152 00:05:41,275 --> 00:05:44,310 I THINK WHAT REALLY GOT ME WAS OVER CHRISTMAS. 153 00:05:44,310 --> 00:05:46,862 I WAS JUST LIKE, "I HAVEN'T BEEN WITH MY FAMILY 154 00:05:46,862 --> 00:05:48,137 FOR TWO CHRISTMASES." 155 00:05:48,137 --> 00:05:50,034 AND THEN I REALIZED, "OH, I HAVEN'T SEEN MY SIBLINGS 156 00:05:50,034 --> 00:05:51,896 FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR." 157 00:05:51,896 --> 00:05:52,862 IT'S LIKE, "WE NEED TO BE AROUND THEM" -- 158 00:05:52,862 --> 00:05:54,068 AND ESPECIALLY THESE TWO. 159 00:05:54,068 --> 00:05:55,551 LIKE, I MEAN, COME ON. 160 00:05:55,551 --> 00:05:56,931 IT'S TRUE. IT'S TRUE. 161 00:05:56,931 --> 00:06:00,689 MARIAH'S GOT A REALLY COOL BOND WITH ALL OF HER SIBLINGS. 162 00:06:00,689 --> 00:06:02,551 [ CHILDREN BABBLING ] 163 00:06:02,551 --> 00:06:05,482 MARIAH'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS EMBRACED 164 00:06:05,482 --> 00:06:09,620 ALL OF THE KIDS WITH EXTREME ENTHUSIASM. 165 00:06:09,620 --> 00:06:13,000 LIKE, SHE LOVES ALL OF HER SIBLINGS -- LOVES THEM -- 166 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,758 AND MAKES ALL OF THEM FEEL SPECIAL, 167 00:06:14,758 --> 00:06:17,482 AND THEY ALL KNOW THEY ARE LOVED BY MARIAH. 168 00:06:17,482 --> 00:06:19,413 ♪ 169 00:06:19,413 --> 00:06:22,586 Meri: I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE COMMON IN PLURAL FAMILIES 170 00:06:22,586 --> 00:06:24,241 THAT YOU HAVE THE OLDER SIBLINGS 171 00:06:24,241 --> 00:06:26,896 WHO, YOU KNOW, MOVE OUT OF THE HOUSE 172 00:06:26,896 --> 00:06:30,310 AND GO ON WITH THEIR LIVES 173 00:06:30,310 --> 00:06:33,068 WHILE THE YOUNGER KIDS ARE STILL GROWING UP, 174 00:06:33,068 --> 00:06:36,379 AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MARIAH IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. 175 00:06:36,379 --> 00:06:38,413 ♪ 176 00:06:38,413 --> 00:06:40,000 Christine: I'M ONE OF THE OLDER KIDS IN MY FAMILY, 177 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,724 AND WHEN I MOVED OUT, THE KIDS WERE YOUNGER. 178 00:06:43,724 --> 00:06:47,793 LIKE, MY SIBLINGS FROM MY OTHER MOM WERE WAY YOUNGER. 179 00:06:47,793 --> 00:06:49,344 I HAVE A SIBLING FROM MY OTHER MOM 180 00:06:49,344 --> 00:06:51,482 THAT'S ASPYN'S AGE, FOR GOODNESS SAKES. 181 00:06:51,482 --> 00:06:54,448 I DON'T KNOW MY YOUNGER SIBLINGS AS WELL 182 00:06:54,448 --> 00:06:56,000 UNTIL WE MOVED OUT, 183 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,793 AND EVEN NOW, I DON'T KNOW THEM THAT WELL. 184 00:06:58,793 --> 00:07:00,103 ♪ 185 00:07:00,103 --> 00:07:02,689 I WISH I WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD 186 00:07:02,689 --> 00:07:05,344 HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO MAINTAIN A RELATIONSHIP 187 00:07:05,344 --> 00:07:08,206 WITH MY YOUNGER SIBLINGS AFTER I MOVED OUT. 188 00:07:08,206 --> 00:07:09,482 ♪ 189 00:07:09,482 --> 00:07:11,517 Meri: I KNOW FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE, 190 00:07:11,517 --> 00:07:16,206 I GOT MARRIED, AND I MOVED OUT, 191 00:07:16,206 --> 00:07:20,482 AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD MY YOUNGEST SISTER, DEBRA, 192 00:07:20,482 --> 00:07:25,275 WHO WAS LIKE TWO-AND-A-HALF WHEN I GOT MARRIED. 193 00:07:25,275 --> 00:07:27,586 AND SHE WAS FROM MY MOM, YOU KNOW -- 194 00:07:27,586 --> 00:07:30,655 NOT TO MENTION ALL MY OTHER SIBLINGS 195 00:07:30,655 --> 00:07:32,758 THAT WERE NOT FROM MY MOM. 196 00:07:32,758 --> 00:07:33,758 [ LAUGHS ] YOU KNOW? 197 00:07:33,758 --> 00:07:37,103 AND I DIDN'T HAVE, REALLY, 198 00:07:37,103 --> 00:07:39,206 A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM... 199 00:07:39,206 --> 00:07:40,586 ♪ 200 00:07:40,586 --> 00:07:42,655 ...UNTIL THEY GOT OLDER. 201 00:07:42,655 --> 00:07:45,517 SO THE FACT THAT SHE REALLY, REALLY WANTS TO BE CLOSER 202 00:07:45,517 --> 00:07:48,000 SO THAT SHE CAN HAVE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS 203 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,000 WITH THE YOUNGER KIDS, I THINK, IS AWESOME. 204 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,482 I LIVED IN UTAH FROM WHEN I WAS SIX UNTIL WHEN WE LEFT, 205 00:07:55,482 --> 00:07:57,068 AND SO, THAT BIG CHANGE OF -- 206 00:07:57,068 --> 00:07:59,931 LIKE, THAT WAS A BIG MOVE FOR ME, EMOTIONALLY. 207 00:07:59,931 --> 00:08:03,896 AND I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS IN CHICAGO, 208 00:08:03,896 --> 00:08:05,517 AND MY SIBLING -- 209 00:08:05,517 --> 00:08:07,931 A COUPLE OF MY SIBLINGS ARE STILL IN SALT LAKE. 210 00:08:07,931 --> 00:08:10,551 ♪ 211 00:08:10,551 --> 00:08:12,172 I'VE BEEN REALLY STRUGGLING IN CHICAGO. 212 00:08:12,172 --> 00:08:14,655 A LOT OF IT IS, LIKE, FOR MENTAL HEALTH REASONS. 213 00:08:14,655 --> 00:08:16,482 I'VE BEEN WORKING FROM HOME, 214 00:08:16,482 --> 00:08:19,068 AND SO, I HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO GO OUT 215 00:08:19,068 --> 00:08:21,655 AND MEET A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE AND HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS. 216 00:08:21,655 --> 00:08:24,724 AND SO, I FEEL VERY ISOLATED OUT IN CHICAGO 217 00:08:24,724 --> 00:08:26,206 BECAUSE ALL OF MY FRIENDS 218 00:08:26,206 --> 00:08:29,758 AND EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW ARE IN SALT LAKE. 219 00:08:29,758 --> 00:08:31,103 'CAUSE CHICAGO'S BEEN WONDERFUL, 220 00:08:31,103 --> 00:08:33,034 AND IT'S AN ABSOLUTELY GREAT CITY. 221 00:08:33,034 --> 00:08:35,724 IT'S JUST NOT THE PLACE FOR ME WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW. 222 00:08:35,724 --> 00:08:37,034 OUR FRIEND BASE IS THERE, 223 00:08:37,034 --> 00:08:38,793 AND JUST SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES THERE. 224 00:08:38,793 --> 00:08:40,172 WE HAVE A REALLY BIG NETWORK THERE. 225 00:08:40,172 --> 00:08:42,103 SO, ALL AROUND, IT JUST MAKES. 226 00:08:42,103 --> 00:08:43,482 HOST OF REASONS, 227 00:08:43,482 --> 00:08:47,172 AND THE TIMING WORKED OUT TO BE, YOU KNOW, 228 00:08:47,172 --> 00:08:48,172 IN A FEW MONTHS. 229 00:08:48,172 --> 00:08:49,172 EEE! YAY! 230 00:08:49,172 --> 00:08:50,689 -YAY! -WHOO-HOO! 231 00:08:50,689 --> 00:08:51,689 [ LAUGHTER, CHEERING ] 232 00:08:51,689 --> 00:08:53,000 SO, NOW WE CAN HANG OUT. 233 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,241 KODY'S GONNA BE VERY EXCITED. 234 00:08:55,241 --> 00:09:00,275 HE'S GONNA BE GLAD THAT SHE'S NOT QUITE SO FAR AWAY. 235 00:09:00,275 --> 00:09:02,551 HE LIKES HIS KIDS AROUND. 236 00:09:02,551 --> 00:09:06,620 HIS BIG THING -- HIS WHOLE LIFE... 237 00:09:06,620 --> 00:09:08,103 IS HIS KIDS. 238 00:09:08,103 --> 00:09:12,103 THAT IS WHO HIS LIFE FOCUSES. 239 00:09:12,103 --> 00:09:13,241 [ INDISTINCT CHATTER ] 240 00:09:13,241 --> 00:09:14,275 Mariah: WELL, LET'S DO IT. WHAT THE HECK. 241 00:09:14,275 --> 00:09:15,448 Woman: ALL RIGHT--GROUP HUG! 242 00:09:15,448 --> 00:09:16,862 COME ON, KIDS, GROUP HUG! 243 00:09:16,862 --> 00:09:18,275 I LIKE THIS. 244 00:09:18,275 --> 00:09:19,379 ♪ 245 00:09:19,379 --> 00:09:23,275 Meri: I LOVE THAT THEY HAD THAT EXPERIENCE 246 00:09:23,275 --> 00:09:25,310 OF LIVING IN CHICAGO, 247 00:09:25,310 --> 00:09:29,241 AND IT'S JUST A FUN AND DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE. 248 00:09:29,241 --> 00:09:32,241 YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I EVER WAS ABLE TO DO. 249 00:09:32,241 --> 00:09:36,965 ♪ 250 00:09:36,965 --> 00:09:38,551 I CAME FROM A DIFFERENT CULTURE 251 00:09:38,551 --> 00:09:41,793 THAN WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO CREATE FOR OUR KIDS. 252 00:09:41,793 --> 00:09:43,758 YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS LIKE 253 00:09:43,758 --> 00:09:45,620 THE POLYGAMOUS CULTURE... [ LAUGHS ] 254 00:09:45,620 --> 00:09:50,310 ...THE CULTURE I GREW UP IN WAS... 255 00:09:50,310 --> 00:09:53,482 "YOU NEED TO GET MARRIED WHEN YOU'RE YOUNG, 256 00:09:53,482 --> 00:09:56,000 AND YOU NEED TO HAVE KIDS, 257 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,586 AND YOU NEED TO BE QUIET ABOUT WHO YOU ARE, 258 00:09:58,586 --> 00:10:02,137 AND YOU NEED TO JUST STAY IN THIS LITTLE BOX." 259 00:10:02,137 --> 00:10:05,103 AND WE'VE TRIED TO CREATE, 260 00:10:05,103 --> 00:10:08,517 "YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO" 261 00:10:08,517 --> 00:10:10,482 FOR OUR KIDS, YOU KNOW? 262 00:10:10,482 --> 00:10:12,896 AND SHE'S DOING IT. 263 00:10:12,896 --> 00:10:14,344 Christine: SO, THIS MEANS THIS CHRISTMAS, 264 00:10:14,344 --> 00:10:16,275 YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE HERE AGAIN! 265 00:10:16,275 --> 00:10:17,275 Mariah: YEAH. YES! 266 00:10:17,275 --> 00:10:18,896 AND THANKSGIVING, MAYBE, TOO! 267 00:10:18,896 --> 00:10:19,931 THEY'RE JUST A GOOD COUPLE. 268 00:10:19,931 --> 00:10:21,413 THEY COMMUNICATE WELL WITH EACH OTHER. 269 00:10:21,413 --> 00:10:23,586 BUT THIS IS, TOO -- IS IT SHOWS ME 270 00:10:23,586 --> 00:10:25,034 HOW THEY'RE IN SYNC WITH EACH OTHER 271 00:10:25,034 --> 00:10:26,172 AND COMMUNICATING WITH EACH OTHER 272 00:10:26,172 --> 00:10:27,655 AND WORKING WITH EACH OTHER. 273 00:10:27,655 --> 00:10:30,413 AND EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, CHICAGO MAY HAVE BEEN BETTER 274 00:10:30,413 --> 00:10:32,172 FOR ONE OF THEM THAN THE OTHER, 275 00:10:32,172 --> 00:10:33,551 THEY'RE JUST WILLING TO GIVE AND TAKE 276 00:10:33,551 --> 00:10:36,068 AND MAKE IT A TRUE PARTNERSHIP. 277 00:10:36,068 --> 00:10:37,413 I MEAN, IN MY MIND, 278 00:10:37,413 --> 00:10:39,965 I THINK MARIAH LIKED IT A LOT MORE THAN AUDREY DID, 279 00:10:39,965 --> 00:10:42,931 BUT THEY WERE STILL WILLING TO DO WHATEVER WAS NECESSARY 280 00:10:42,931 --> 00:10:45,448 TO MAKE IT SO THEY WOULD BOTH BE HAPPY, 281 00:10:45,448 --> 00:10:48,241 AND IT'S JUST AN INCREDIBLE MOVE FOR A COUPLE TO MAKE. 282 00:10:48,241 --> 00:10:50,896 THAT'S THE BEST PART OF THEM MOVING TO SALT LAKE, 283 00:10:50,896 --> 00:10:52,758 IS IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE DOING TOGETHER, 284 00:10:52,758 --> 00:10:55,000 AND THEY'RE JUST -- 285 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,034 THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN HELP THE OTHER PERSON 286 00:10:58,034 --> 00:11:01,689 BE HAPPIER AND LIVE THEIR BEST LIFE IN SALT LAKE. 287 00:11:01,689 --> 00:11:04,034 I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD MOVE TO SALT LAKE NEXT, 288 00:11:04,034 --> 00:11:06,137 OUT OF THE KIDS. 289 00:11:06,137 --> 00:11:07,344 MAYBE... 290 00:11:07,344 --> 00:11:08,931 PSHH, US. 291 00:11:08,931 --> 00:11:10,482 NOPE, JUST NOTHING. 292 00:11:10,482 --> 00:11:11,931 [ LAUGHS ] 293 00:11:11,931 --> 00:11:15,034 ♪ 294 00:11:15,034 --> 00:11:18,103 SO, WHEN ARE WE GONNA START BUILDING, THEN? 295 00:11:18,103 --> 00:11:20,172 I THINK NOW IS THE TIME FOR US TO MAKE A PLAN 296 00:11:20,172 --> 00:11:21,793 ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A COYOTE PASS. 297 00:11:21,793 --> 00:11:22,793 IT'S TIME. 298 00:11:22,793 --> 00:11:23,931 Kody: HONESTLY, I'M WORN OUT 299 00:11:23,931 --> 00:11:26,103 AND DISCOURAGED ABOUT BUILDING. 300 00:11:26,103 --> 00:11:27,862 I JUST DON'T EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT 301 00:11:27,862 --> 00:11:29,413 OR TALK ABOUT A PLAN. 302 00:11:29,413 --> 00:11:30,413 LET'S TAKE A BREATHER. 303 00:11:32,758 --> 00:11:41,724 ♪ 304 00:11:41,724 --> 00:11:43,965 I'M HAVING ALL THE ADULTS OVER TODAY. 305 00:11:43,965 --> 00:11:46,137 MY HOUSE IN LAS VEGAS -- 306 00:11:46,137 --> 00:11:48,103 I JUST HAVE SOME NEWS TO TELL THEM. 307 00:11:49,206 --> 00:11:51,172 IT'S NOT A BOMB DROP. IT'S NOT BAD. 308 00:11:51,172 --> 00:11:52,517 IT'S GOOD. 309 00:11:52,517 --> 00:11:53,586 IT'S GOOD NEWS. 310 00:11:53,586 --> 00:11:56,724 IT'S GREAT NEWS THAT I'M DROPPING. 311 00:11:56,724 --> 00:11:57,931 ♪ 312 00:11:57,931 --> 00:11:59,862 Robyn: OH, MY GOODNESS. 313 00:11:59,862 --> 00:12:02,586 WE WERE CALLED OVER FOR ANOTHER FAMILY MEETING. 314 00:12:02,586 --> 00:12:06,689 THIS HAPPENS ON OCCASION, AND I JUST NEVER KNOW 315 00:12:06,689 --> 00:12:09,379 WHAT THE CONVERSATION IS GONNA BE. 316 00:12:09,379 --> 00:12:10,586 YOU JUST NEVER KNOW. 317 00:12:10,586 --> 00:12:13,482 WHENEVER WE GET TOGETHER, IT COULD BE ANYTHING. 318 00:12:13,482 --> 00:12:16,344 ♪ 319 00:12:16,344 --> 00:12:17,931 OKAY, I HAVE THE BEST NEWS. 320 00:12:17,931 --> 00:12:20,724 I GOT AN OFFER ON MY HOUSE IN VEGAS. 321 00:12:20,724 --> 00:12:23,103 Robyn: OH, MY GOSH![ LAUGHING ] 322 00:12:23,103 --> 00:12:24,034 HALLELUJAH! 323 00:12:24,034 --> 00:12:25,241 I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE 324 00:12:25,241 --> 00:12:27,827 WHY CHRISTINE'S HOUSE TOOK SO LONG TO SELL. 325 00:12:27,827 --> 00:12:28,965 Christine: IT WAS THE FIRST ONE ON THE MARKET, 326 00:12:28,965 --> 00:12:30,482 AND NOW IT'S THE LAST ONE TO SELL. 327 00:12:30,482 --> 00:12:32,793 THAT'S CALLED IRONY, AND IT SUCKS. 328 00:12:32,793 --> 00:12:34,310 OH, MY GOSH! 329 00:12:34,310 --> 00:12:36,965 I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA TELL US YOU WERE PREGNANT. 330 00:12:36,965 --> 00:12:38,551 OH, NO, THE WOMB IS CLOSED. 331 00:12:38,551 --> 00:12:39,586 Kody: DID YOU REALLY THINK THAT? 332 00:12:39,586 --> 00:12:41,103 NO, SHE DIDN'T. 333 00:12:41,103 --> 00:12:42,586 -SHE'S JOKING. -JUST CHECKING. 334 00:12:42,586 --> 00:12:45,689 THE WOMB IS CLOSED FOR BUSINESS. 335 00:12:45,689 --> 00:12:48,379 Janelle: THIS IS SUCH A THROWBACK, 'CAUSE YEARS AND YEARS AGO, 336 00:12:48,379 --> 00:12:49,551 WHENEVER WE HAD THESE, LIKE -- 337 00:12:49,551 --> 00:12:51,620 I GOTTA TELL YOU SOMETHING. I HAVE NEWS." 338 00:12:51,620 --> 00:12:52,827 IT WAS ALWAYS, 339 00:12:52,827 --> 00:12:54,344 "WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER BABY." 340 00:12:54,344 --> 00:12:56,000 ♪ 341 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,034 FOR MANY -- FOR, LIKE, DECADES, 342 00:12:58,034 --> 00:13:00,172 IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS KIND OF OUR THING, 343 00:13:00,172 --> 00:13:02,379 SO I GUESS WE CAN'T LET GO OF THAT HABIT. 344 00:13:02,379 --> 00:13:04,517 ♪ 345 00:13:04,517 --> 00:13:05,896 YOU KNOW, MADDIE SAID A LONG TIME AGO, 346 00:13:05,896 --> 00:13:08,172 "KODY'S SOUL MATE IS HIS CHILDREN." 347 00:13:08,172 --> 00:13:10,344 SO, THAT IDEA OF HAVING MORE CHILDREN 348 00:13:10,344 --> 00:13:12,724 IS GONNA ALWAYS BE APPEALING TO KODY. 349 00:13:12,724 --> 00:13:15,241 Woman: I DON'T THINK SHE WANTS ANYMORE LOVING. 350 00:13:15,241 --> 00:13:17,310 Christine: I DON'T THINK KODY WILL EVER BE DONE HAVING CHILDREN, 351 00:13:17,310 --> 00:13:18,413 AND EVERY TIME HE'S LIKE... 352 00:13:18,413 --> 00:13:19,413 [ Goofy voice ] "I DON'T KNOW, 353 00:13:19,413 --> 00:13:20,758 I MIGHT HAVE MORE KIDS." 354 00:13:20,758 --> 00:13:23,068 [ Normal voice ] I'M LIKE, "OH MY GOSH, NOT FROM ME!" 355 00:13:23,068 --> 00:13:24,931 YES, CHECK. 356 00:13:24,931 --> 00:13:27,793 GO TO ANOTHER WIFE, BECAUSE, NOPE. 357 00:13:27,793 --> 00:13:28,965 MY WOMB IS CLOSED. 358 00:13:28,965 --> 00:13:30,000 YEAH, I CAN'T BELIEVE... 359 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,482 [ LAUGHS ] YEP. 360 00:13:31,482 --> 00:13:33,275 I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE ACCEPTING THE OFFER? 361 00:13:33,275 --> 00:13:35,586 I ACCEPTED IT WITHIN A COUPLE OF MINUTES. 362 00:13:35,586 --> 00:13:37,275 IT'S A LOT LESS THAN I WANT. 363 00:13:37,275 --> 00:13:39,965 A LOT LESS. LIKE, A LOT LESS. 364 00:13:39,965 --> 00:13:41,275 BUT IT'S CASH, 365 00:13:41,275 --> 00:13:43,965 AND THEY WANT IT IN A WEEK, AND THEY WILL -- 366 00:13:43,965 --> 00:13:46,448 WELL, AND THEY'LL TAKE IT AS-IS, WHICH IS HUGE. 367 00:13:46,448 --> 00:13:47,965 I THINK WE TOOK A HIT -- 368 00:13:47,965 --> 00:13:51,586 ALL OF EVERY HOUSE WAS, LIKE, WAY LESS THAN WE THOUGHT. 369 00:13:51,586 --> 00:13:52,827 Meri: HERE'S THE THING, THOUGH -- 370 00:13:52,827 --> 00:13:55,448 THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT HAVING IT... 371 00:13:55,448 --> 00:13:56,586 -DONE. -DONE. 372 00:13:56,586 --> 00:13:59,206 IT'S TIME TO FINALLY SAY GOODBYE TO VEGAS. 373 00:14:01,103 --> 00:14:03,862 Robyn: I MISS MY HOUSE IN VEGAS LIKE CRAZY, 374 00:14:03,862 --> 00:14:06,517 SO I'M WAITING TILL THIS FEELS MORE LIKE HOME. 375 00:14:06,517 --> 00:14:08,379 I DON'T FEEL QUITE SETTLED. 376 00:14:09,896 --> 00:14:12,413 NO MATTER WHAT HOME YOU LEAVE BEHIND, 377 00:14:12,413 --> 00:14:15,344 THERE IS ALWAYS AN EMOTIONAL CONNECTION TO A HOME. 378 00:14:15,344 --> 00:14:18,275 THE HARDEST WAS ACTUALLY... 379 00:14:18,275 --> 00:14:20,344 THE LEHI HOUSE IN LEHI, UTAH, 380 00:14:20,344 --> 00:14:24,137 WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL LIVED TOGETHER. 381 00:14:24,137 --> 00:14:26,034 [ INDISTINCT CHATTER ] 382 00:14:26,034 --> 00:14:28,689 MY FIRST TRIP BACK TO UTAH AFTER WE HAD MOVED TO LAS VEGAS 383 00:14:28,689 --> 00:14:30,241 WAS VERY EMOTIONAL. 384 00:14:30,241 --> 00:14:33,482 IT WAS -- IT WAS VERY HARD. 385 00:14:33,482 --> 00:14:35,413 WE WERE GOING BACK, BASICALLY, 386 00:14:35,413 --> 00:14:37,586 TO TAKE OUR DOG DRAKE BACK TO HIS HOME -- 387 00:14:37,586 --> 00:14:39,379 BACK TO WHERE HE HAD SPENT MOST OF HIS LIFE -- 388 00:14:39,379 --> 00:14:41,724 BECAUSE HE WASN'T WELL, AND WE WERE PRETTY SURE 389 00:14:41,724 --> 00:14:43,275 WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO PUT HIM DOWN. 390 00:14:43,275 --> 00:14:44,965 [ SNIFFLES, WHIMPERS ] 391 00:14:44,965 --> 00:14:45,965 Meri: DO YOU NEED A SECOND? 392 00:14:45,965 --> 00:14:48,172 DO YOU NEED A HUG OR SOMETHING? 393 00:14:48,172 --> 00:14:52,862 Kody: SO, WE TOOK HIM BACK TO OUR HOME AND LEHI, UTAH... 394 00:14:52,862 --> 00:14:54,931 [ HUFFS ] 395 00:14:54,931 --> 00:14:57,000 [ EXHALES SHARPLY ] OH, GEEZ. 396 00:15:03,689 --> 00:15:05,000 [ EXHALES SHARPLY ] 397 00:15:07,689 --> 00:15:09,655 AND WE PUT HIM TO SLEEP. 398 00:15:09,655 --> 00:15:10,758 [ CLEARS THROAT ] 399 00:15:12,827 --> 00:15:14,310 [ Whispering ] I'M SORRY, GIRLS. 400 00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:16,137 [ SIGHS ] 401 00:15:18,793 --> 00:15:21,724 [ Voice breaking ] IT WAS THE FIRST TIME... 402 00:15:21,724 --> 00:15:24,689 ...THAN I REALLY EVER OWNED THE EMOTIONS 403 00:15:24,689 --> 00:15:28,724 OF THE STRUGGLE WE HAD LEAVING LEHI. 404 00:15:30,758 --> 00:15:33,482 THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE FROM HOME TO HOME -- 405 00:15:33,482 --> 00:15:35,413 IT'S SO EMOTIONAL 406 00:15:35,413 --> 00:15:38,862 JUST TO THINK ABOUT ONE HOUSE TO THE NEXT TO THE NEXT. 407 00:15:38,862 --> 00:15:41,827 AND HERE WE ARE LIVING IN THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE IN FLAGSTAFF, 408 00:15:41,827 --> 00:15:44,241 BUT IT AIN'T HOME YET. 409 00:15:44,241 --> 00:15:46,586 ♪ 410 00:15:46,586 --> 00:15:51,482 SOMETHING ABOUT GETTING TO FLAGSTAFF... 411 00:15:51,482 --> 00:15:55,448 TIRED ME OUT SPECIFIC TO... 412 00:15:55,448 --> 00:15:57,275 MARITAL RELATIONSHIPS AND WIVES. 413 00:15:57,275 --> 00:15:59,379 WE'RE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE 414 00:15:59,379 --> 00:16:02,448 ABOUT HOW OUR FAMILY SHOULD EXIST 415 00:16:02,448 --> 00:16:04,310 AND HOW WE SHOULD BEHAVE WITH EACH OTHER. 416 00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:07,000 WE'RE NOT THE FAMILY WE USED TO BE. 417 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,551 Christine: SO, I HAVEN'T TOLD THE KIDS YET 'CAUSE -- 418 00:16:08,551 --> 00:16:12,965 AND THEIR NEXT QUESTION IS GOING TO BE... 419 00:16:12,965 --> 00:16:15,379 "SO, WHEN ARE WE GONNA START BUILDING, THEN?" 420 00:16:15,379 --> 00:16:18,034 ♪ 421 00:16:18,034 --> 00:16:19,068 WHAT CAN I TELL THE KIDS? 422 00:16:19,068 --> 00:16:21,034 LIKE, CAN WE MAKE A PLAN HERE? 423 00:16:21,034 --> 00:16:24,275 NOW THAT MY HOUSE IS SOLD, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. 424 00:16:24,275 --> 00:16:25,551 ♪ 425 00:16:25,551 --> 00:16:28,620 Meri: I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT WE ALL STILL WANT TO 426 00:16:28,620 --> 00:16:32,931 GET OUT AT THE PROPERTY, BUT I ALSO SEE, YOU KNOW, 427 00:16:32,931 --> 00:16:36,275 WHERE THE EMOTIONAL HEALTH IS OF THE FAMILY, 428 00:16:36,275 --> 00:16:38,310 AND IT'S... 429 00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:41,034 IT'S NOT THE BEST RIGHT NOW. 430 00:16:41,034 --> 00:16:43,172 ♪ 431 00:16:43,172 --> 00:16:45,586 TRUELY WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT IT THIS MORNING, 432 00:16:45,586 --> 00:16:47,758 AND SHE'S LIKE, "I'M EXCITED. 433 00:16:47,758 --> 00:16:50,000 AS SOON AS WE SELL THE HOUSE IN LAS VEGAS, 434 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,620 THEN WE CAN START BUILDING." 435 00:16:51,620 --> 00:16:53,310 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS SAID, IS, 436 00:16:53,310 --> 00:16:54,793 WE FIRST OF ALL NEED TO SELL, 437 00:16:54,793 --> 00:16:56,241 AND THEN WE CAN BUILD. 438 00:16:56,241 --> 00:16:59,241 IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S THE LOGICAL QUESTION TO ASK NEXT. 439 00:16:59,241 --> 00:17:00,586 WHAT ARE WE THINKING WITH THE PROPERTY, 440 00:17:00,586 --> 00:17:02,448 AND WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO NEXT? 441 00:17:06,448 --> 00:17:08,000 Kody: JUST A LITTLE DISCOURAGED. 442 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,137 THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, AND FRANKLY, I DON'T. 443 00:17:11,137 --> 00:17:12,448 I WANT TO AVOID IT. 444 00:17:12,448 --> 00:17:14,551 ♪ 445 00:17:14,551 --> 00:17:16,655 I THINK NOW IS THE TIME FOR US TO MAKE A PLAN 446 00:17:16,655 --> 00:17:18,137 ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AT COYOTE PASS. 447 00:17:18,137 --> 00:17:20,103 IT'S TIME. 448 00:17:20,103 --> 00:17:23,206 Janelle: I THINK CHRISTINE, ROBYN, MERI, AND I ARE ALL LIKE, 449 00:17:23,206 --> 00:17:25,172 "OKAY, LET'S GO. LET'S GET THE SURVEYOR. 450 00:17:25,172 --> 00:17:26,620 LET'S GET OUT THERE." 451 00:17:26,620 --> 00:17:28,965 AND I THINK KODY RUNS AROUND WITH THIS THOUSAND YARD STARE. 452 00:17:28,965 --> 00:17:30,586 HE'S SPREAD SO THIN. 453 00:17:30,586 --> 00:17:31,862 HE HAS SO MUCH RESPONSIBILITY, 454 00:17:31,862 --> 00:17:33,310 SO MUCH ON HIS PLATE. 455 00:17:34,655 --> 00:17:36,103 HE'S JUST REACTING, AT THIS POINT, 456 00:17:36,103 --> 00:17:37,586 INSTEAD OF PLANNING. 457 00:17:39,379 --> 00:17:40,344 JUST 'CAUSE THE HOUSES ARE SOLD 458 00:17:40,344 --> 00:17:42,482 DOESN'T MEAN WE'VE GOT MONEY. 459 00:17:42,482 --> 00:17:44,103 I KNOW WE'RE NOT READY TO BUILD, BUT -- 460 00:17:44,103 --> 00:17:46,344 WE'RE JUST NOT -- I DON'T KNOW. 461 00:17:46,344 --> 00:17:51,068 KODY IS REALLY GOOD AT THE STARTING PART OF AN IDEA. 462 00:17:51,068 --> 00:17:53,068 PUTS SO MUCH ENERGY INTO THAT 463 00:17:53,068 --> 00:17:55,379 THAT SOMETIMES, HE STARTS GETTING 464 00:17:55,379 --> 00:17:58,241 A LITTLE BIT EXHAUSTED TOWARDS THE END OF IT. 465 00:17:58,241 --> 00:18:00,241 THE EXECUTION, THOUGH, IS SOMETIMES A LITTLE -- 466 00:18:00,241 --> 00:18:02,862 A LITTLE BIT WHERE HE GETS LOST. 467 00:18:02,862 --> 00:18:05,689 ♪ 468 00:18:05,689 --> 00:18:07,344 I CAN BE A FINISHER, YES -- 469 00:18:07,344 --> 00:18:08,586 I DO FINISH -- 470 00:18:08,586 --> 00:18:11,275 BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS I START, 471 00:18:11,275 --> 00:18:13,827 AND THERE'S JUST NEVER THE TIME TO MAKE IT, 472 00:18:13,827 --> 00:18:15,172 TO FINISH IT OUT. 473 00:18:16,965 --> 00:18:18,965 I'M REALLY GOOD AT STARTING PROJECTS. 474 00:18:18,965 --> 00:18:20,206 NOT SO GOOD AT FINISHING, 475 00:18:20,206 --> 00:18:23,068 BECAUSE THEN IT LOSES ITS INTERESTING FACTOR. 476 00:18:23,068 --> 00:18:25,000 Janelle: I DEFINITELY DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF A VISIONARY. 477 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,344 I'M THE WORKER BEE WHO MAKES SOMETHING HAPPEN. 478 00:18:28,344 --> 00:18:31,413 Meri: ONCE THE IDEA IS KIND OF FORMULATED, 479 00:18:31,413 --> 00:18:33,931 I'M LIKE, "OKAY, LET'S GO FOR IT." 480 00:18:33,931 --> 00:18:35,206 Robyn: I THINK I'M A FINISHER. 481 00:18:35,206 --> 00:18:37,275 SO IT'S PROBABLY GOOD THAT I WAS FOURTH WIFE, 482 00:18:37,275 --> 00:18:40,586 'CAUSE I FINISH. [ LAUGHS ] 483 00:18:40,586 --> 00:18:41,793 ♪ 484 00:18:41,793 --> 00:18:43,620 BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW EXACTLY -- 485 00:18:43,620 --> 00:18:44,793 IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT, LIKE, 486 00:18:44,793 --> 00:18:47,758 WHERE THE LOTS ARE GOING TO BE, 487 00:18:47,758 --> 00:18:50,793 AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO THE DISCUSSION 488 00:18:50,793 --> 00:18:53,896 OF, LIKE, WHO'S GONNA GO WHERE, AND THEN -- 489 00:18:53,896 --> 00:18:55,413 WHAT KIND OF HOUSE WE'RE GONNA BUILD. 490 00:18:55,413 --> 00:18:56,931 WE COULD START THINKING ABOUT WHAT KIND OF HOUSES 491 00:18:56,931 --> 00:18:59,448 WE'RE GONNA BUILD, AND THAT KIND OF THING. 492 00:18:59,448 --> 00:19:02,068 EVERYBODY'S GONNA WANT THE SAME FLIPPING PROPERTY, 493 00:19:02,068 --> 00:19:03,931 AND IT CHANGES. 494 00:19:03,931 --> 00:19:05,724 EVERYBODY WANTED TREES BEFORE. 495 00:19:05,724 --> 00:19:07,793 NOW NOBODY WANTS TREES. 496 00:19:07,793 --> 00:19:09,241 I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT ANY MORE. 497 00:19:09,241 --> 00:19:10,586 NOW I'M MAD. 498 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,137 AND WE GOT INTO A SQUABBLE LAST SPRING 499 00:19:15,137 --> 00:19:18,517 BECAUSE IT TURNED OUT THAT THERE WAS A BUNCH OF CONFUSION. 500 00:19:18,517 --> 00:19:21,724 ♪ 501 00:19:21,724 --> 00:19:23,655 Robyn: HE TOLD ME THAT THAT WAS WHAT WAS LEFT. 502 00:19:23,655 --> 00:19:27,172 Meri: NO, THAT'S NOT AT ALL THE CONVERSATION, ROBYN. 503 00:19:27,172 --> 00:19:28,965 -ARE YOU MAD AT ME? -NOT YOU. 504 00:19:28,965 --> 00:19:31,068 -OKAY. -DON'T BE MAD AT ME. 505 00:19:31,068 --> 00:19:33,758 I GOT IN TROUBLE FOR BEING THE ONE 506 00:19:33,758 --> 00:19:35,896 THAT MANIPULATED EVERYBODY INTO PLACES THAT -- 507 00:19:35,896 --> 00:19:37,517 I DID NOT DO THAT. 508 00:19:37,517 --> 00:19:39,241 THAT MADE ME LOOK LIKE AN [BLEEP] 509 00:19:39,241 --> 00:19:40,379 AND AN IDIOT. 510 00:19:40,379 --> 00:19:42,413 I DON'T NEED TO GO OUT THERE AND DO ALL THIS. 511 00:19:42,413 --> 00:19:43,517 IF WE GET THE SEVEN LOTS 512 00:19:43,517 --> 00:19:45,724 AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THREE RENTALS, 513 00:19:45,724 --> 00:19:49,344 I WOULD LOVE TO BUILD SEVEN HOMES ALL AT ONCE. 514 00:19:49,344 --> 00:19:51,206 THERE IS MUCH TO CONSIDER HERE. 515 00:19:51,206 --> 00:19:53,517 WE BOUGHT THOSE TWO EXTRA PIECES, BASICALLY, 516 00:19:53,517 --> 00:19:55,965 TO BUILD HOMES ON TO RENT 517 00:19:55,965 --> 00:19:57,655 OR TO GIVE TO OUR CHILDREN. 518 00:19:57,655 --> 00:20:00,413 HERE'S KODY LIKE, "I'M GONNA BE A REAL ESTATE TYCOON." 519 00:20:00,413 --> 00:20:02,206 AND WE'RE LIKE, "HEY, WE NEED HOUSES FIRST. 520 00:20:02,206 --> 00:20:03,275 HOW ABOUT THAT?" 521 00:20:03,275 --> 00:20:05,275 "LET'S BUILD A WHOLE SUBDIVISION." 522 00:20:05,275 --> 00:20:07,965 ♪ 523 00:20:07,965 --> 00:20:13,655 I THINK LET'S JUST GET STARTED ON ONE, EVEN. 524 00:20:13,655 --> 00:20:15,206 ME TALKING BIG PICTURE -- 525 00:20:15,206 --> 00:20:17,482 LIKE, "LET'S DO SEVEN HOMES AT ONCE" AND ALL THAT -- 526 00:20:17,482 --> 00:20:19,275 THAT'S JUST ME STALLING, 527 00:20:19,275 --> 00:20:22,724 BECAUSE I'D REALLY LOVE TO JUST PUT 'EM ALL OFF 528 00:20:22,724 --> 00:20:25,448 AND JUST ENJOY MY PEACE FOR A LITTLE WHILE. 529 00:20:25,448 --> 00:20:26,620 I KNOW THOSE GUYS -- 530 00:20:26,620 --> 00:20:30,724 THOSE DEVELOPERS -- ARE MAKING A HUGE PROFIT. 531 00:20:30,724 --> 00:20:32,793 RIGHT NOW, PHENOMENAL PROFIT. 532 00:20:32,793 --> 00:20:34,310 I'M SPECULATING. 533 00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:35,862 ACTUALLY, I'M STALLING. 534 00:20:35,862 --> 00:20:38,172 [ LAUGHS ] 535 00:20:38,172 --> 00:20:39,310 Janelle: SO, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. 536 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:40,482 WE CAN KEEP MOVING FORWARD. 537 00:20:40,482 --> 00:20:42,448 I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. 538 00:20:42,448 --> 00:20:45,137 [ LAUGHS ] I MEAN, MORE COMPLICATED 539 00:20:45,137 --> 00:20:48,586 THAN JUST, "HEY I DECIDED WE'RE MOVING FORWARD." 540 00:20:48,586 --> 00:20:49,724 Christine: I'M REALLY, REALLY ENJOYING HERE 541 00:20:49,724 --> 00:20:52,517 THAT JANELLE IS ON MY SIDE HERE. 542 00:20:52,517 --> 00:20:54,724 BUT IT'S REALLY NOT MAKING A DIFFERENCE, IS IT? 543 00:20:54,724 --> 00:20:57,241 I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH -- 544 00:20:57,241 --> 00:21:00,000 THERE'S STUFF WE CAN DO, IT SOUNDS LIKE. 545 00:21:01,068 --> 00:21:02,379 MAYBE. 546 00:21:02,379 --> 00:21:04,034 OKAY. 547 00:21:04,034 --> 00:21:05,448 WE ALL KNOW THAT THE ONLY WAY 548 00:21:05,448 --> 00:21:06,896 THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE FORWARD 549 00:21:06,896 --> 00:21:08,413 IS IF KODY STARTS IT. 550 00:21:08,413 --> 00:21:11,517 IT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE FOR ONE OF US TO LEAD. 551 00:21:11,517 --> 00:21:12,862 NOT GETTING REAL FIRM COMMITMENTS, 552 00:21:12,862 --> 00:21:13,896 BUT THAT'S OKAY. 553 00:21:13,896 --> 00:21:14,896 [ LAUGHTER ] 554 00:21:14,896 --> 00:21:16,206 JUST MAYBES. 555 00:21:16,206 --> 00:21:17,793 I DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO DO IT. 556 00:21:17,793 --> 00:21:18,827 I DON'T KNOW WHY PAYING 557 00:21:18,827 --> 00:21:20,310 A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY FOR INFORMATION 558 00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:23,344 AND HELPING US START TO GET OUR PLANNING HATS ON 559 00:21:23,344 --> 00:21:24,827 IS A PROBLEM. 560 00:21:24,827 --> 00:21:26,103 YOU KNOW WHAT, LADIES? 561 00:21:26,103 --> 00:21:27,413 YOU GUYS -- 562 00:21:27,413 --> 00:21:29,758 MAYBE WHAT I NEED TO DO IS JUST TURN IT OVER THEM. 563 00:21:29,758 --> 00:21:31,379 YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS GO DETERMINE 564 00:21:31,379 --> 00:21:32,655 WHERE YOU WANT TO LIVE. 565 00:21:32,655 --> 00:21:33,965 YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY GO BETTER. 566 00:21:33,965 --> 00:21:37,068 MAYBE THE DRAMA PROBLEM IN OUR LIVES IS ME. 567 00:21:37,068 --> 00:21:39,724 RIGHT NOW, EVERYBODY'S IN A HOUSE. 568 00:21:39,724 --> 00:21:41,724 WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE ON THESE THINGS, 569 00:21:41,724 --> 00:21:45,206 BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO MOVE ON THEM. 570 00:21:45,206 --> 00:21:47,137 OKAY. 571 00:21:47,137 --> 00:21:49,310 THAT'S DEPRESSING. 572 00:21:49,310 --> 00:21:50,344 SORRY. 573 00:21:50,344 --> 00:21:51,310 THAT'S DEPRESSING, KIND OF. 574 00:21:51,310 --> 00:21:52,482 LIKE... 575 00:21:52,482 --> 00:21:54,482 I AM A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH KODY RIGHT NOW. 576 00:21:54,482 --> 00:21:56,517 COME ON. WE HAVE TO PLUG ON. 577 00:21:56,517 --> 00:21:59,000 WE HAVE TO KEEP CHUGGING ON AND MAKING THIS HAPPEN. 578 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,068 Christine: I JUST THINK, SUBCONSCIOUSLY, 579 00:22:00,068 --> 00:22:01,655 HE'S NOT INTERESTED ANYMORE, 580 00:22:01,655 --> 00:22:05,517 AND HE'S JUST FINE WITH US LIVING SEPARATELY, I GUESS. 581 00:22:05,517 --> 00:22:07,034 I THINK THAT WE JUST -- 582 00:22:07,034 --> 00:22:08,344 I MEAN, IT'S SEPTEMBER NOW. 583 00:22:08,344 --> 00:22:09,655 WE JUST LET IT GO 584 00:22:09,655 --> 00:22:12,034 AND NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS. 585 00:22:12,034 --> 00:22:15,758 I KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ON THE PROPERTY, 586 00:22:15,758 --> 00:22:19,068 IT'S CREATING SOME ISSUES IN OUR FAMILY STRUCTURE, 587 00:22:19,068 --> 00:22:22,551 OUR FAMILY CULTURE, SOME OF OUR RELATIONSHIPS, 588 00:22:22,551 --> 00:22:25,344 AND THAT'S MAKING ME REALLY NERVOUS, TOO. 589 00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:32,068 ♪ 590 00:22:32,068 --> 00:22:34,103 YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND, I JUST WENT THROUGH 591 00:22:34,103 --> 00:22:37,206 ONE OF THE WORST FIGHTS I'VE EVER HAD WITH A WOMAN, 592 00:22:37,206 --> 00:22:40,034 AND THAT'S GETTING INTO THAT HOUSE 593 00:22:40,034 --> 00:22:42,931 THAT ROBYN JUST THOUGHT WE SHOULDN'T BE BUYING. 594 00:22:42,931 --> 00:22:44,827 THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN HARD, 595 00:22:44,827 --> 00:22:48,379 AND I'M STACKING THAT ONTO THE BLOW-UP 596 00:22:48,379 --> 00:22:50,724 OUT AT COYOTE PASS. 597 00:22:52,206 --> 00:22:54,068 I'M SO DISCOURAGED 598 00:22:54,068 --> 00:22:56,724 ABOUT WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT WITH THE PROPERTY 599 00:22:56,724 --> 00:22:59,965 THAT THERE'S DAYS I WISH I COULD JUST SELL IT. 600 00:22:59,965 --> 00:23:02,724 ♪ 601 00:23:02,724 --> 00:23:04,758 Christine: IF I FEEL LIKE HE'S NOT STAYING AT MY HOUSE ENOUGH, 602 00:23:04,758 --> 00:23:07,068 IT CAUSES ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS. 603 00:23:07,068 --> 00:23:10,448 ROBYN SAYS WE HAD A DEFINITE MISUNDERSTANDING, 604 00:23:10,448 --> 00:23:12,758 SO MAYBE IT'S A GOOD IDEA IF I STRAIGHTEN IT OUT. 605 00:23:12,758 --> 00:23:15,448 I JUST KNOW THAT FAMILIES GO AS LEADERSHIP DOES, 606 00:23:15,448 --> 00:23:17,206 AND I JUST, FRANKLY, DON'T GIVE A [BLEEP] ANYMORE. 607 00:23:19,551 --> 00:23:28,172 ♪ 608 00:23:28,172 --> 00:23:30,137 Meri: ROBYN HAS ASKED ME 609 00:23:30,137 --> 00:23:32,448 TO COME OUT TO THE PROPERTY. 610 00:23:32,448 --> 00:23:34,689 IT SOUNDS LIKE KODY AND ROBYN AND I 611 00:23:34,689 --> 00:23:37,275 ARE GONNA BE HAVING A LITTLE CHAT. 612 00:23:37,275 --> 00:23:39,793 NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHAT IT'S ABOUT. 613 00:23:39,793 --> 00:23:41,965 Robyn: HI, THANKS FOR COMING OUT HERE WITH ME. 614 00:23:41,965 --> 00:23:43,517 HEY, HOW'S IT GOING? 615 00:23:43,517 --> 00:23:44,689 GOOD. 616 00:23:44,689 --> 00:23:47,758 LAST YEAR, THE FIVE OF US HAD COME OUT. 617 00:23:47,758 --> 00:23:50,413 THERE WAS DEFINITELY SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS. 618 00:23:50,413 --> 00:23:54,413 I WAS TOLD BEFORE YOU GET WHAT'S LEFT. 619 00:23:54,413 --> 00:23:57,206 NOW I'M JUST GONNA TAKE THAT SIDE OVER THERE. 620 00:23:57,206 --> 00:23:58,206 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S LEFT? 621 00:23:58,206 --> 00:23:59,206 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S LEFT. 622 00:23:59,206 --> 00:24:00,862 I DIDN'T SAY IT LIKE THAT. 623 00:24:00,862 --> 00:24:02,000 YOU DID. 624 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,137 I WISH THAT I HAD BEEN 625 00:24:03,137 --> 00:24:05,379 IN A BETTER PLACE EMOTIONALLY THAT DAY 626 00:24:05,379 --> 00:24:08,103 SO I COULD HAVE, LIKE, HELPED KIND OF DIFFUSE IT 627 00:24:08,103 --> 00:24:09,241 AND UNWIND IT. 628 00:24:09,241 --> 00:24:11,482 IT WAS JUST KIND OF A BIG MESS. 629 00:24:11,482 --> 00:24:15,241 I HAD BENT OVER BACKWARDS FOR MERI 630 00:24:15,241 --> 00:24:19,034 TO KEEP MERI HAPPY ABOUT OUR LOCATION, 631 00:24:19,034 --> 00:24:22,137 ABOUT HER LOCATION, AND ABOUT GETTING THERE. 632 00:24:22,137 --> 00:24:24,137 Meri: WELL, THIS IS FABULOUS. I'LL SEE YOU GUYS. 633 00:24:24,137 --> 00:24:26,689 I NEED TO GO FIND A RENTAL, TOO. 634 00:24:26,689 --> 00:24:28,068 [ SIGHS ] 635 00:24:28,068 --> 00:24:29,413 I REALLY JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE 636 00:24:29,413 --> 00:24:30,965 ROBYN AND I WERE HAVING A FIGHT. 637 00:24:30,965 --> 00:24:34,000 HONESTLY, I WAS MAD AT KODY THAT DAY. 638 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,482 -Kody: HEY, MERI. -HI. 639 00:24:36,655 --> 00:24:40,586 I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA 640 00:24:40,586 --> 00:24:44,344 FOR US TO COME OUT HERE AND HAVE A CONVERSATION 641 00:24:44,344 --> 00:24:46,103 AND, LIKE, DO IT TOGETHER, 642 00:24:46,103 --> 00:24:50,517 AND, LIKE, SEE WHAT WE COULD GET UNRAVELED 643 00:24:50,517 --> 00:24:52,103 WITH THE CONVERSATION THAT HAD. 644 00:24:52,103 --> 00:24:55,448 ROBYN SAYS WE HAD A DEFINITE MISUNDERSTANDING, 645 00:24:55,448 --> 00:24:58,896 SO MAYBE IT'S A GOOD IDEA IF I STRAIGHTEN IT OUT. 646 00:24:58,896 --> 00:25:00,689 Robyn: BEING HERE WITH MERI AND KODY 647 00:25:00,689 --> 00:25:03,034 AND SORT OF TALKING WITH THEM 648 00:25:03,034 --> 00:25:05,344 KIND OF ABOUT RELATIONSHIP STUFF -- 649 00:25:05,344 --> 00:25:06,310 EVEN THEIR RELATIONSHIP -- 650 00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:08,241 IS SOMETHING I'VE DONE BEFORE. 651 00:25:08,241 --> 00:25:10,758 Kody: ROBYN IS ACTUALLY THE FAMILY PEACEMAKER, 652 00:25:10,758 --> 00:25:12,931 AND THERE'S A TENDENCY FOR THE WIVES -- 653 00:25:12,931 --> 00:25:14,517 IF THEY'VE GOT A COMPLAINT ABOUT ME -- 654 00:25:14,517 --> 00:25:16,206 TO GO DIRECTLY TO ROBYN. 655 00:25:16,206 --> 00:25:17,965 IN MY MIND, AND I KNOW IN MERI'S MIND, 656 00:25:17,965 --> 00:25:19,413 THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T COME OUT HERE -- 657 00:25:19,413 --> 00:25:21,379 THE FIVE OF US TOGETHER -- 658 00:25:21,379 --> 00:25:24,655 AND COMMUNICATE WAS, I FEEL LIKE, 659 00:25:24,655 --> 00:25:26,206 REALLY STRESSFUL AND HARD 660 00:25:26,206 --> 00:25:28,689 AND A MAJOR BREAK IN OUR CULTURE 661 00:25:28,689 --> 00:25:29,931 AND THE WAY WE DO THINGS, 662 00:25:29,931 --> 00:25:32,206 AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM. 663 00:25:32,206 --> 00:25:34,965 IT'S KIND OF BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A BREAK IN OUR CULTURE. 664 00:25:34,965 --> 00:25:39,689 ♪ 665 00:25:39,689 --> 00:25:42,965 I BELIEVE THAT SORT OF AS -- 666 00:25:42,965 --> 00:25:44,620 THE GROUP OF US, THE FIVE OF US, 667 00:25:44,620 --> 00:25:47,379 WE HAVE TROUBLE COMMUNICATING. 668 00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:50,931 Kody: WE'RE NOT GATHERING THE SAME WAY WE USED TO. 669 00:25:50,931 --> 00:25:53,275 Christine: I DON'T SEE MY SISTER-WIVES VERY OFTEN. 670 00:25:53,275 --> 00:25:54,896 WE DO THINGS SEPARATE NOW. 671 00:25:54,896 --> 00:25:57,482 WE REALLY ARE LIVING SEPARATE. 672 00:25:57,482 --> 00:25:59,758 Janelle: IT'S PROBABLY ONLY A COUPLE TIMES A MONTH 673 00:25:59,758 --> 00:26:01,689 THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY TOGETHER. 674 00:26:03,206 --> 00:26:04,931 THERE'S TIMES WHEN I SIT THERE AND I GO, 675 00:26:04,931 --> 00:26:07,517 "I HAVE NOT SEEN KODY FOR A LONG TIME." 676 00:26:07,517 --> 00:26:09,965 IT'S BEEN WAY TOO LONG, AND I FEEL LIKE 677 00:26:09,965 --> 00:26:14,724 MAYBE HE'S SPENDING EXTRA TIME SOMEWHERE ELSE. 678 00:26:14,724 --> 00:26:17,448 IF I FEEL LIKE HE'S NOT STAYING AT MY HOUSE ENOUGH -- 679 00:26:17,448 --> 00:26:20,931 IF I BRING IT UP TO HIM, IT CAUSES ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS. 680 00:26:20,931 --> 00:26:24,965 SO I TRY NOT TO THINK ABOUT IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 681 00:26:24,965 --> 00:26:26,965 WE'RE NOT HAVING FAMILY MEETINGS, 682 00:26:26,965 --> 00:26:29,275 SO WE DON'T SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS. 683 00:26:29,275 --> 00:26:31,000 AND SO, I COME OUT HERE WITH A WIFE WHO SAYS, 684 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,517 "HEY, I WANT TO SEE THE PROPERTY." 685 00:26:32,517 --> 00:26:34,655 AND WE TALK ABOUT WHERE HOUSES WOULD GO. 686 00:26:34,655 --> 00:26:35,793 I EVEN DID THAT WITH MERI. 687 00:26:35,793 --> 00:26:38,275 BEING SO FAR AWAY FROM MY WHOLE FAMILY -- 688 00:26:38,275 --> 00:26:39,275 FROM THE REST OF THE FAMILY -- 689 00:26:39,275 --> 00:26:41,965 ACTUALLY FEELS STRANGE. 690 00:26:41,965 --> 00:26:44,137 Christine: TO PUT IT NICELY AS POSSIBLE, 691 00:26:44,137 --> 00:26:47,275 IT'S LESS COMPLICATED TO LIVE SEPARATE, 692 00:26:47,275 --> 00:26:49,241 AND I DON'T FEEL GUILTY THAT WE'RE DOING THINGS 693 00:26:49,241 --> 00:26:51,206 ALL THE TIME WITHOUT EVERYBODY. 694 00:26:51,206 --> 00:26:52,931 ♪ 695 00:26:52,931 --> 00:26:54,896 WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE ARE A FAMILY. 696 00:26:54,896 --> 00:26:57,655 WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE FUNCTIONING AS A FAMILY. 697 00:26:57,655 --> 00:27:00,413 SO THERE'S THIS UNSETTLING SENSE 698 00:27:00,413 --> 00:27:03,724 THAT THEY'RE -- NOT EVERYTHING'S RIGHT. 699 00:27:03,724 --> 00:27:08,275 THE PROBLEM HERE WITH THE FIVE OF US... 700 00:27:08,275 --> 00:27:11,344 IS THE FIVE OF US. 701 00:27:12,379 --> 00:27:14,689 WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT 702 00:27:14,689 --> 00:27:17,000 HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE THE FIVE OF US. 703 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000 BUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST -- 704 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,448 IT'S VERY DISCOURAGING. 705 00:27:23,862 --> 00:27:25,862 SO, YES, WE HAD A MISUNDERSTANDING, 706 00:27:25,862 --> 00:27:27,896 AND YES, IT WAS MY FAULT. 707 00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:31,103 I'M TIRED OF TRYING TO ORGANIZE THIS PROPERTY. 708 00:27:31,103 --> 00:27:33,793 I JUST KNOW THAT FAMILIES GO AS LEADERSHIP DOES, 709 00:27:33,793 --> 00:27:36,241 AND I JUST, FRANKLY, DON'T GIVE A [BLEEP] ANYMORE. 710 00:27:36,241 --> 00:27:37,655 HERE, LET'S GO OVER THERE, 711 00:27:37,655 --> 00:27:39,344 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO KIND OF SEE 712 00:27:39,344 --> 00:27:41,275 WHAT'S GOING ON A LITTLE BIT. 713 00:27:41,275 --> 00:27:44,034 HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE I'M DOING A DANCE CONSTANTLY. 714 00:27:44,034 --> 00:27:46,448 I HAVE TO DANCE MORE FOR SOME PEOPLE THAN OTHERS. 715 00:27:46,448 --> 00:27:49,551 SO, YOU SEE THOSE PIPES COMING OUT RIGHT THERE? 716 00:27:49,551 --> 00:27:54,379 I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TOTALLY LOST ANY DESIRE TO GATHER MY FAMILY. 717 00:27:54,379 --> 00:27:58,206 IT'S SO MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO DEAL WITH ONE WIFE 718 00:27:58,206 --> 00:28:00,551 AND HER CHILDREN AT A TIME. 719 00:28:00,551 --> 00:28:04,413 MY BEST GUESS IS THAT THAT IS OUR PROPERTY EDGE. 720 00:28:04,413 --> 00:28:06,793 WHATEVER IT IS -- WHATEVER OUR DYSFUNCTION IS -- 721 00:28:06,793 --> 00:28:08,344 I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, 722 00:28:08,344 --> 00:28:10,793 BUT IT MAKES ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. 723 00:28:10,793 --> 00:28:13,724 SO I DON'T EVEN REALLY CARE TO GET TOGETHER ANYMORE. 724 00:28:13,724 --> 00:28:16,172 SO WE HAVE CLEAR UP INTO HERE. 725 00:28:16,172 --> 00:28:18,517 BUT IT'S AT THIS ANGLE, MERI. 726 00:28:18,517 --> 00:28:20,068 OH. IT'S SLIGHTLY -- 727 00:28:20,068 --> 00:28:23,413 SO, LET'S GO UP HERE JUST ANOTHER TEN FEET. 728 00:28:23,413 --> 00:28:24,620 Robyn: I HAVE NO IDEA 729 00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:26,482 WHEN WE'RE GONNA BE OUT IN THIS PROPERTY. 730 00:28:26,482 --> 00:28:28,965 I TRY REALLY HARD NOT TO THINK ABOUT THAT PART OF IT. 731 00:28:28,965 --> 00:28:31,275 IT'S SO -- SORT OF DEPRESSING. 732 00:28:31,275 --> 00:28:34,413 I THINK, WHERE THE LOGS ARE THERE, 733 00:28:34,413 --> 00:28:36,482 IS THE BEST PLACE FOR A HOUSE, 734 00:28:36,482 --> 00:28:38,275 BUT, UM... 735 00:28:39,551 --> 00:28:40,724 NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE IN THE TREES, 736 00:28:40,724 --> 00:28:42,655 SO, YOU KNOW. 737 00:28:42,655 --> 00:28:44,448 THE WAY WE'RE LIVING APART HERE IN FLAGSTAFF 738 00:28:44,448 --> 00:28:47,344 ISN'T MY PERSONAL IDEAL FOR PLURAL MARRIAGE. 739 00:28:47,344 --> 00:28:49,896 WITH THIS ONE FAMILY, BIG PICTURE -- 740 00:28:49,896 --> 00:28:51,965 FOR YEARS, THEY SUPPORTED IT. 741 00:28:51,965 --> 00:28:54,586 DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE REALLY INTO IT NOW. 742 00:28:54,586 --> 00:28:56,896 Meri: ALL RIGHT, YOU GUYS. 743 00:28:56,896 --> 00:29:01,000 I'D LIKE TO WELCOME Y'ALL BACK TO WHERE IT ALL BEGAN. 744 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,448 [ LAUGHS ] 745 00:29:03,862 --> 00:29:05,724 Kody: WE'VE COME HERE TO FIND FORGIVENESS. 746 00:29:05,724 --> 00:29:07,724 LET'S ALL KISS AND MAKE UP RIGHT HERE. 747 00:29:07,724 --> 00:29:09,206 NOT ALL TOGETHER, PLEASE, ROB. 748 00:29:09,206 --> 00:29:11,482 -THAT WOULD BE WEIRD. -IS THAT TOO WEIRD? 749 00:29:11,482 --> 00:29:13,517 I LOVE MERI -- 750 00:29:13,517 --> 00:29:15,517 NOT SEXUALLY, BUT I LOVE MERI, 751 00:29:15,517 --> 00:29:19,034 AND I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM GIVING HER A KISS ON THE CHEEK. 752 00:29:19,034 --> 00:29:21,482 FOR ME, IT'S BECAUSE I LOVE HER, 753 00:29:21,482 --> 00:29:23,310 BECAUSE SHE'S MY SISTER-WIFE, 754 00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:24,724 BECAUSE SHE'S MY FRIEND. 755 00:29:24,724 --> 00:29:30,241 ♪ 756 00:29:30,241 --> 00:29:32,586 KODY AND MERI DON'T NEED MORE 757 00:29:32,586 --> 00:29:34,448 KIND OF, LIKE, MISUNDERSTANDINGS 758 00:29:34,448 --> 00:29:37,241 OR EVEN ISSUES IN THEIR RELATIONSHIP. 759 00:29:37,241 --> 00:29:39,758 THEY'RE ALREADY STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW. 760 00:29:39,758 --> 00:29:41,137 ♪ 761 00:29:41,137 --> 00:29:44,482 Meri: WE ENDED UP GOING BACK TO LAS VEGAS 762 00:29:44,482 --> 00:29:46,275 TO SEE OUR THERAPIST, NANCY, 763 00:29:46,275 --> 00:29:49,344 AND JUST KIND OF, LIKE, WORK THROUGH OUR RELATIONSHIP. 764 00:29:49,344 --> 00:29:52,275 ♪ 765 00:29:52,275 --> 00:29:54,931 Kody: WHEN WE WERE AT NANCY'S, I KIND OF LIT IT OFF. 766 00:29:54,931 --> 00:29:59,379 WE ARE FAMILY, BUT WE'RE NOT ACTING MARRIED. 767 00:29:59,379 --> 00:30:01,551 MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MERI IS, AT BEST, 768 00:30:01,551 --> 00:30:05,517 JUST DISTANT AND AMICABLE. 769 00:30:05,517 --> 00:30:08,793 LIKE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HE AND I IS GONE. 770 00:30:08,793 --> 00:30:10,724 IT'S DEAD. IT'S OVER. 771 00:30:10,724 --> 00:30:13,137 YOU KNOW, I COULD BUCK UP, 772 00:30:13,137 --> 00:30:15,137 PUT MY BACKPACK ON, AND GO FOR A RUN -- 773 00:30:15,137 --> 00:30:16,137 BE TOUGH ABOUT IT -- 774 00:30:16,137 --> 00:30:17,689 BUT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN IT. 775 00:30:17,689 --> 00:30:19,724 FOR ALL MY MARRIAGE WITH MERI, 776 00:30:19,724 --> 00:30:23,517 I'VE FELT LIKE SHE UNLOADS HER EMOTIONS 777 00:30:23,517 --> 00:30:26,379 INTO A BURDEN THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO CARRY. 778 00:30:26,379 --> 00:30:27,965 I'M NOT CARRYING THIS BURDEN 779 00:30:27,965 --> 00:30:30,965 'CAUSE THERE'S NO REASON THAT I SHOULD. 780 00:30:30,965 --> 00:30:33,551 ♪ 781 00:30:33,551 --> 00:30:35,379 [ BIRDS CHIRPING ] 782 00:30:35,379 --> 00:30:40,862 ♪ 783 00:30:40,862 --> 00:30:43,689 I HAVEN'T PUT RELATIONSHIP EFFORT INTO THAT RELATIONSHIP 784 00:30:43,689 --> 00:30:46,931 SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE... 785 00:30:46,931 --> 00:30:49,517 I HAVE THREE OTHER RELATIONSHIPS 786 00:30:49,517 --> 00:30:52,172 THAT ARE REWARDING AND WHOLESOME 787 00:30:52,172 --> 00:30:54,586 AND WITH CHILDREN THAT NEED ME, 788 00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:56,137 NEED TO SEE ME. 789 00:30:56,137 --> 00:30:58,344 [ INDISTINCT CHATTER ] 790 00:30:58,344 --> 00:31:02,206 ♪ 791 00:31:02,206 --> 00:31:04,620 Meri: I'M REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT PUSHING KODY 792 00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:07,344 BECAUSE I DON'T WANT HIM TO FEEL LIKE 793 00:31:07,344 --> 00:31:10,896 I'M BEING DEMANDING OR PUSHY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, 794 00:31:10,896 --> 00:31:14,862 SO I FEEL LIKE I'VE MADE IT KNOWN TO HIM ENOUGH, 795 00:31:14,862 --> 00:31:17,344 YOU KNOW, WHERE I WANT THE RELATIONSHIP TO GO 796 00:31:17,344 --> 00:31:20,862 AS FAR AS EVEN, LIKE, JUST MOVING FORWARD 797 00:31:20,862 --> 00:31:22,724 AND JUST STARTING TO FIGURE THINGS OUT. 798 00:31:22,724 --> 00:31:26,241 IT'S BEST TO, LIKE, LEAVE THE BALL IN HIS COURT. 799 00:31:26,241 --> 00:31:28,965 ♪ 800 00:31:28,965 --> 00:31:32,172 NEITHER OF US SEE REAL VALUE IN THE RELATIONSHIP, 801 00:31:32,172 --> 00:31:35,482 'CAUSE IF MERI AND I REALLY WANTED TO BE TOGETHER, WE WOULD. 802 00:31:35,482 --> 00:31:38,724 ♪ 803 00:31:38,724 --> 00:31:41,103 I WAS TRYING TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR. 804 00:31:41,103 --> 00:31:43,000 I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GIVE EVERYBODY 805 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,689 WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, MERI. 806 00:31:44,689 --> 00:31:47,206 HE WAS TRYING TO GIVE ME WHAT HE THOUGHT THAT I WANTED, 807 00:31:47,206 --> 00:31:49,103 BUT I NEVER SAID I WANTED IT. 808 00:31:49,103 --> 00:31:50,413 I HONESTLY -- THERE ARE TIMES 809 00:31:50,413 --> 00:31:53,724 I JUST WANT TO SELL THE F-- STINKING PLACE 810 00:31:53,724 --> 00:31:55,275 'CAUSE I'M SICK OF THIS GAME. 811 00:31:57,965 --> 00:32:07,172 ♪ 812 00:32:07,172 --> 00:32:08,448 Kody: I HONESTLY -- THERE ARE TIMES 813 00:32:08,448 --> 00:32:11,862 I JUST WANT TO SELL THE F-- STINKING PLACE 814 00:32:11,862 --> 00:32:13,103 'CAUSE I'M SICK OF THIS GAME, 815 00:32:13,103 --> 00:32:16,758 AND I THINK MY WIVES ARE SORT OF SUSPICIOUS 816 00:32:16,758 --> 00:32:18,068 THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT, 817 00:32:18,068 --> 00:32:20,344 AND IT'S CAUSING THEM TO START GOING, 818 00:32:20,344 --> 00:32:23,241 "HEY, WAIT A SECOND. WE CAN STILL GET TOGETHER. 819 00:32:23,241 --> 00:32:25,310 WE CAN STILL BE A FAMILY." 820 00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:26,965 "AND I'M LIKE, WELL, SURE YOU CAN. 821 00:32:26,965 --> 00:32:28,068 YOU WORK IT OUT. 822 00:32:28,068 --> 00:32:29,310 I'M SICK AND TIRED 823 00:32:29,310 --> 00:32:31,448 OF TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK WITH YOU GUYS." 824 00:32:31,448 --> 00:32:36,310 ♪ 825 00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:38,206 Robyn: I WISH THAT WE COULD BE BETTER 826 00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:41,275 ABOUT HOW WE COMMUNICATE. 827 00:32:41,275 --> 00:32:43,517 WHAT WENT WRONG WAS, 828 00:32:43,517 --> 00:32:45,034 THERE WASN'T ENOUGH COMMUNICATION 829 00:32:45,034 --> 00:32:46,551 BETWEEN MERI AND KODY. 830 00:32:46,551 --> 00:32:48,310 Kody: THE REASON I PUT HER HERE 831 00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:50,344 WAS BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY SPOT ON THIS PROPERTY 832 00:32:50,344 --> 00:32:51,448 THAT WE CAN BE... 833 00:32:51,448 --> 00:32:53,517 Meri: OKAY, HOLD ON....OUT OF THE TREES. 834 00:32:53,517 --> 00:32:55,862 FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, 835 00:32:55,862 --> 00:32:57,965 YOU JUST SAID YOU PUT ME HERE. 836 00:32:57,965 --> 00:33:01,689 IS THAT AN ADMISSION THAT I DIDN'T CHOOSE? 837 00:33:01,689 --> 00:33:03,586 I BASED THIS ON YOU 838 00:33:03,586 --> 00:33:04,758 NOT WANTING TO BE IN THE TREES. 839 00:33:04,758 --> 00:33:07,517 'CAUSE I NEVER SAID I WANTED TO BE THERE. 840 00:33:07,517 --> 00:33:09,172 OKAY, BUT THAT WAS BASED -- 841 00:33:09,172 --> 00:33:11,517 I NEED TO SAY THAT. 842 00:33:11,517 --> 00:33:13,241 -OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. -I NEVER SAID -- 843 00:33:13,241 --> 00:33:15,413 IN FACT, I DON'T WANT THAT PROPERTY. 844 00:33:15,413 --> 00:33:18,448 HE TOLD HER THAT I WANTED THE OTHER PROPERTY? 845 00:33:18,448 --> 00:33:20,000 ARE YOU ADMITTING, THEN, 846 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,068 THAT I NEVER SAID I WANTED THAT? 847 00:33:23,068 --> 00:33:24,724 THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY BY THE ROAD 848 00:33:24,724 --> 00:33:26,379 WAS NEVER A DISCUSSION. 849 00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:28,620 THIS IS WHY THIS HAPPENED -- 850 00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:30,379 BECAUSE EVERY TIME -- OH, MY GOSH. 851 00:33:30,379 --> 00:33:31,620 Kody: I JUST DIDN'T EXPLAIN. 852 00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:32,655 I'M SORRY. 853 00:33:32,655 --> 00:33:33,620 YOU KEPT SAYING, "BUILD IT" -- 854 00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:34,862 RIGHT THERE. 855 00:33:34,862 --> 00:33:36,862 YES, AND I WAS LIKE, "I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT THAT." 856 00:33:36,862 --> 00:33:39,620 AND SO, MY WHOLE TIME WHEN I WAS OUT HERE WITH YOU, 857 00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:41,206 I'M, LIKE, LOOKING AROUND. 858 00:33:41,206 --> 00:33:44,172 MAYBE I COULD HAVE, LIKE, A DECK 859 00:33:44,172 --> 00:33:46,793 THAT WOULD GO OFF ONTO THE POND, 860 00:33:46,793 --> 00:33:47,862 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT -- 861 00:33:47,862 --> 00:33:49,724 AND DO IT RIGHT THERE IN THAT OPEN SPOT, 862 00:33:49,724 --> 00:33:51,241 KIND OF IN THAT CORNER. 863 00:33:51,241 --> 00:33:52,586 THERE WAS A MAJOR FACTOR 864 00:33:52,586 --> 00:33:55,137 THAT I DON'T WANT TO ACTUALLY BRING UP HERE 865 00:33:55,137 --> 00:33:58,517 WITH MERI AND ROBYN... 866 00:33:58,517 --> 00:34:00,206 WHERE THERE WAS A CONCERN 867 00:34:00,206 --> 00:34:03,724 ABOUT MERI HAVING A HOUSE ON THE POND LOT. 868 00:34:03,724 --> 00:34:06,655 ♪ 869 00:34:06,655 --> 00:34:10,034 MERI DOES KNOW HOW SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY FEEL. 870 00:34:10,034 --> 00:34:11,586 THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN 871 00:34:11,586 --> 00:34:13,931 AND WILL ALWAYS BE A QUESTION -- 872 00:34:13,931 --> 00:34:17,655 WHETHER THE FAMILY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE POND 873 00:34:17,655 --> 00:34:20,586 IF MERI HAS THE TITLE 874 00:34:20,586 --> 00:34:22,551 TO THE PROPERTY WITH THE POND. 875 00:34:22,551 --> 00:34:23,551 DON'T WANNA BE IN THE TREES. 876 00:34:23,551 --> 00:34:24,620 -HOLD ON. -NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 877 00:34:24,620 --> 00:34:25,931 WE'VE GOT MORE PROPERTIES, SO JUST -- 878 00:34:25,931 --> 00:34:29,413 I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST REALIZING SOMETHING, KODY. 879 00:34:29,413 --> 00:34:30,482 WHEN SHE SAID, 880 00:34:30,482 --> 00:34:31,827 "I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE TREES," 881 00:34:31,827 --> 00:34:35,206 IS THAT WHY YOU IMMEDIATELY PUT HER SOMEWHERE ELSE? 882 00:34:35,206 --> 00:34:36,931 I JUST PUT HER WHERE WE WOULDN'T BE IN THE TREES. 883 00:34:36,931 --> 00:34:38,896 I KNOW, BECAUSE YOU KNEW -- 884 00:34:38,896 --> 00:34:42,310 YOU KNEW THAT THE ONLY PLACE TO BUILD 885 00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:43,620 WAS IN THE TREES ON THIS LOT. 886 00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:46,068 SO, AUTOMATICALLY, YOU PUT HER SOMEWHERE ELSE 887 00:34:46,068 --> 00:34:47,068 BECAUSE OF THAT? 888 00:34:47,068 --> 00:34:48,068 YEAH. 889 00:34:48,068 --> 00:34:51,344 ♪ 890 00:34:51,344 --> 00:34:52,517 BUT SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT. 891 00:34:52,517 --> 00:34:53,793 'CAUSE SHE DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN THE TREES. 892 00:34:53,793 --> 00:34:56,551 SO, WHEN SHE SAID, "I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE TREES," 893 00:34:56,551 --> 00:34:58,344 SHE WAS THINKING, "WHY CAN'T I BUILD 894 00:34:58,344 --> 00:34:59,758 ON ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS?" 895 00:34:59,758 --> 00:35:01,172 YEAH, I'M SITTING HERE 896 00:35:01,172 --> 00:35:03,000 TRYING TO GET MY HEAD WRAPPED AROUND IT. 897 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,068 YOU NEVER CAME BACK TO ME AND SAID, "WELL, INSTEAD, 898 00:35:06,068 --> 00:35:08,413 I'M THINKING I'LL PUT YOU UP THERE." 899 00:35:11,413 --> 00:35:14,862 WELL, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE TREES, 900 00:35:14,862 --> 00:35:17,137 BUT I DIDN'T SAY I WANTED TO BE UP BY THE ROAD. 901 00:35:17,137 --> 00:35:18,965 THAT'S WHAT'S SO FRUSTRATING TO ME. 902 00:35:18,965 --> 00:35:21,137 I NEVER SAID THAT, BUT IN HIS MIND, HE'S LIKE, 903 00:35:21,137 --> 00:35:22,482 "WELL, I'D BETTER MAKE MERI HAPPY 904 00:35:22,482 --> 00:35:23,896 AND PUT HER UP THERE. 905 00:35:23,896 --> 00:35:26,206 I GIVE HER WHAT SHE WANTS 906 00:35:26,206 --> 00:35:29,724 AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE ROBYN" -- 907 00:35:29,724 --> 00:35:32,034 WHAT WAS IT HE SAID? "THE TABLE SCRAPS." 908 00:35:32,034 --> 00:35:34,000 BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. 909 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,172 THIS ISN'T MY FAULT. 910 00:35:38,275 --> 00:35:39,413 I'M SORRY. 911 00:35:39,413 --> 00:35:40,862 I'M NOT TRYING TO PUSH ANY BUTTONS HERE. 912 00:35:40,862 --> 00:35:42,103 Robyn: THIS IS A HUGE MISUNDERSTANDING. 913 00:35:42,103 --> 00:35:44,275 THAT'S NOT WHY I WAS UPSET! 914 00:35:44,275 --> 00:35:47,862 I'M REALLY WILLING TO SORT IT OUT. 915 00:35:47,862 --> 00:35:49,448 I'M REALLY WILLING TO SORT IT OUT. 916 00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:51,793 ♪ 917 00:35:51,793 --> 00:35:55,034 I'M SITTING HERE JUST DUMBFOUNDED -- STILL. 918 00:35:55,034 --> 00:35:58,034 ♪ 919 00:35:58,034 --> 00:36:01,793 I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS SO HARD TO FIGURE OUT. 920 00:36:01,793 --> 00:36:04,206 I WAS TRYING TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR. 921 00:36:04,206 --> 00:36:06,034 I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GIVE EVERYBODY 922 00:36:06,034 --> 00:36:07,689 WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, MERI. 923 00:36:07,689 --> 00:36:10,137 Meri: I GET WHAT HE WAS DOING. 924 00:36:10,137 --> 00:36:13,862 HE WAS TRYING TO GIVE ME WHAT HE THOUGHT THAT I WANTED... 925 00:36:13,862 --> 00:36:15,586 BUT I NEVER SAID I WANTED IT. 926 00:36:15,586 --> 00:36:16,827 I LIKE THE TREES. 927 00:36:16,827 --> 00:36:18,793 I LOVE THE TREES, AND I TRIED SAYING THAT TO YOU 928 00:36:18,793 --> 00:36:20,896 WHEN WE GOT -- WHEN WE WENT OVER 929 00:36:20,896 --> 00:36:22,275 TO CHRISTINE'S LATER. 930 00:36:22,275 --> 00:36:25,275 BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO BE SO DEEP IN THE TREES 931 00:36:25,275 --> 00:36:27,103 THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY SUNLIGHT. 932 00:36:28,896 --> 00:36:30,689 SO, AT THIS POINT, 933 00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:32,068 I HAVE NO IDEA -- 934 00:36:32,068 --> 00:36:35,793 IF I WERE TO HAVE FIRST CHOICE OF THIS PROPERTY, 935 00:36:35,793 --> 00:36:38,206 I'M NOT SURE THAT I KNOW WHERE IT WOULD BE. 936 00:36:38,206 --> 00:36:41,586 I LOVE THE TREES. 937 00:36:41,586 --> 00:36:45,068 I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO HAVE A HOUSE IN THE TREES. 938 00:36:45,068 --> 00:36:47,241 ♪ 939 00:36:47,241 --> 00:36:49,724 OH, HOLY [BLEEP]. 940 00:36:49,724 --> 00:36:52,137 OKAY, WELL, I'M JUST SITTING HERE. 941 00:36:52,137 --> 00:36:54,172 LET'S ALL WAIT FOR FOR MERI TO DECIDE. 942 00:36:54,172 --> 00:37:05,551 ♪ 943 00:37:05,551 --> 00:37:07,965 ALL I'M SAYING IS, I DON'T KNOW. 944 00:37:07,965 --> 00:37:10,931 ♪ 945 00:37:10,931 --> 00:37:15,068 KODY AND MERI'S RELATIONSHIP IS REALLY SAD. 946 00:37:15,068 --> 00:37:16,068 THIS IS WEIRD. 947 00:37:16,068 --> 00:37:17,103 Robyn: [ LAUGHING ] NO, IT'S NOT. 948 00:37:17,103 --> 00:37:19,068 KODY SHOULD BE IN THE CENTER. 949 00:37:19,068 --> 00:37:22,137 ROBYN BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF MERI AND I 950 00:37:22,137 --> 00:37:25,137 ACTUALLY MAKES MERI AND I SAFER WITH EACH OTHER. 951 00:37:25,137 --> 00:37:26,655 IT'S FUNCTIONAL. 952 00:37:29,310 --> 00:37:34,310 ♪ 953 00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:35,758 THE REASON WHY I WANT US TO COME OUT HERE 954 00:37:35,758 --> 00:37:38,172 IS BECAUSE I WANT US TO DO THIS. 955 00:37:38,172 --> 00:37:39,965 WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS TODAY. 956 00:37:39,965 --> 00:37:43,275 THIS IS JUST TO GET US OUT HERE TO TALK. 957 00:37:43,275 --> 00:37:44,551 THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I SEE 958 00:37:44,551 --> 00:37:49,000 AS, LIKE, REALLY, TRULY PROBLEMATIC -- 959 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,206 THAT WE DIDN'T GET TOGETHER, THE FIVE OF US, 960 00:37:51,206 --> 00:37:53,137 AND TALK ABOUT THIS AND FIGURE IT OUT. 961 00:37:54,379 --> 00:37:57,068 ROBYN HAS AN ASSUMPTION ABOUT OUR CULTURE 962 00:37:57,068 --> 00:37:59,379 THAT WE ALL WORK THESE THINGS OUT. 963 00:37:59,379 --> 00:38:00,965 THAT'S NOT TRUE. 964 00:38:00,965 --> 00:38:04,241 ♪ 965 00:38:04,241 --> 00:38:08,448 THEY'RE NEGOTIATING WITH EACH OTHER THROUGH ME. 966 00:38:08,448 --> 00:38:10,310 NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN IN THIS FAMILY, 967 00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:12,965 I TAKE THE BLAME FOR ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON. 968 00:38:12,965 --> 00:38:17,758 ♪ 969 00:38:17,758 --> 00:38:20,137 WHEN YOU HAVE A MONOGAMOUS COUPLE, 970 00:38:20,137 --> 00:38:22,000 IT'S -- I -- 971 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,827 I VISUALIZE IT AS A COMPLETE YIN-YANG DECISION. 972 00:38:25,827 --> 00:38:28,689 THE HUSBAND AND WIFE MAKE DECISIONS TOGETHER. 973 00:38:28,689 --> 00:38:31,655 WELL, IN PLURAL MARRIAGE, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN THAT. 974 00:38:31,655 --> 00:38:34,275 I WAS OUT OF TURN BECAUSE I WAS ANGRY, 975 00:38:34,275 --> 00:38:37,034 BECAUSE I FELT LIKE I WAS GIVING -- 976 00:38:37,034 --> 00:38:38,689 LIKE I WAS GIVING YOU WHAT YOU WANTED, 977 00:38:38,689 --> 00:38:39,724 AND THEN YOU DIDN'T WANT IT. 978 00:38:39,724 --> 00:38:40,896 AND I GAVE YOU WHAT YOU WANTED, 979 00:38:40,896 --> 00:38:42,586 AND YOU DIDN'T WANT IT. 980 00:38:42,586 --> 00:38:44,655 THAT'S THAT'S HOW I PERCEIVED IT, 981 00:38:44,655 --> 00:38:47,172 AND I APOLOGIZE. 982 00:38:52,275 --> 00:38:53,827 WHATEVER. 983 00:38:53,827 --> 00:38:55,068 I'M JUST ACQUIESCING HERE. 984 00:38:55,068 --> 00:38:56,241 THIS IS RIDICULOUS, 985 00:38:56,241 --> 00:38:59,862 BECAUSE IT'S REALLY, REALLY, REALLY SIMPLE. 986 00:38:59,862 --> 00:39:02,137 I JUST WANTED TO GET US GOOD. 987 00:39:02,137 --> 00:39:04,793 ARE WE ALL GOOD WITH EACH OTHER? 988 00:39:09,758 --> 00:39:11,000 I'M GOOD. 989 00:39:12,379 --> 00:39:13,896 I'M FINE. 990 00:39:13,896 --> 00:39:16,310 LAST COUPLE OF YEARS -- YEAR AND A HALF, I GUESS -- 991 00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:18,275 HERE IN FLAGSTAFF -- 992 00:39:18,275 --> 00:39:19,793 I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED. 993 00:39:19,793 --> 00:39:22,586 THE FAMILY IS JUST IN A WEIRD PLACE. 994 00:39:22,586 --> 00:39:23,620 ALL RIGHT. 995 00:39:23,620 --> 00:39:25,241 -LET'S GO HOME. -LET'S GO HOME. 996 00:39:25,241 --> 00:39:26,482 WE FEEL GOOD. 997 00:39:26,482 --> 00:39:28,482 DO WE FEEL BETTER? 998 00:39:28,482 --> 00:39:30,413 I REALLY LIKE THIS AREA. 999 00:39:30,413 --> 00:39:32,137 YEAH. 1000 00:39:32,137 --> 00:39:34,206 IT'S VERY, VERY PEACEFUL OVER HERE. 1001 00:39:34,206 --> 00:39:35,310 YEAH. 1002 00:39:35,310 --> 00:39:37,448 HONESTLY, I JUST DON'T THINK MY WIVES 1003 00:39:37,448 --> 00:39:39,896 REALLY WANT TO BE TOGETHER THAT MUCH, 1004 00:39:39,896 --> 00:39:42,793 BECAUSE IF THEY DID, THEY WOULD. 1005 00:39:42,793 --> 00:39:46,241 I THINK THEY ARE ENJOYING IT... 1006 00:39:46,241 --> 00:39:49,172 THIS SORT OF INDEPENDENCE FROM EACH OTHER. 1007 00:39:49,172 --> 00:39:52,241 "DOING MY THING, LIVING IN MY HOUSE, 1008 00:39:52,241 --> 00:39:53,724 HANGING OUT WITH MY KIDS. 1009 00:39:53,724 --> 00:39:56,413 OH, AND I GET MY HUSBAND ONCE IN A WHILE." 1010 00:39:56,413 --> 00:39:57,551 Robyn: HERE, LET'S HOLD HANDS, 1011 00:39:57,551 --> 00:39:59,379 'CAUSE THE LAST TIME WE WALKED DOWN THIS, 1012 00:39:59,379 --> 00:40:00,413 WE WERE UPSET. 1013 00:40:00,413 --> 00:40:01,620 Meri: WE WERE MAD AT EACH OTHER. 1014 00:40:01,620 --> 00:40:03,827 HERE, YOU HOLD HER HAND, TOO, KODY, 1015 00:40:03,827 --> 00:40:05,482 'CAUSE YOU WERE UPSET, TOO. 1016 00:40:05,482 --> 00:40:07,586 THERE WE GO. 1017 00:40:07,586 --> 00:40:10,758 I MEAN, KODY AND MERI'S RELATIONSHIP IS -- 1018 00:40:10,758 --> 00:40:13,931 IT'S REALLY SAD 1019 00:40:13,931 --> 00:40:16,482 AND HARD TO SEE, 1020 00:40:16,482 --> 00:40:19,068 AND I LOVE THEM BOTH. 1021 00:40:19,068 --> 00:40:22,000 I'LL DO WHAT I CAN TO HELP THEM. 1022 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,827 THEIR RELATIONSHIP REALLY DOES HAVE AN EFFECT 1023 00:40:24,827 --> 00:40:26,551 ON THE REST OF THE FAMILY. 1024 00:40:26,551 --> 00:40:27,586 Meri: THIS IS WEIRD. 1025 00:40:27,586 --> 00:40:28,655 [ LAUGHING ] NO, IT'S NOT. 1026 00:40:28,655 --> 00:40:30,586 KODY SHOULD BE IN THE CENTER. 1027 00:40:30,586 --> 00:40:31,896 -NO. -NO? 1028 00:40:31,896 --> 00:40:34,103 NO, WE'RE GOOD.[ LAUGHING ] 1029 00:40:34,103 --> 00:40:36,793 Kody: ROBYN BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF MERI AND I 1030 00:40:36,793 --> 00:40:40,275 ACTUALLY MAKES MERI AND I SAFER WITH EACH OTHER. 1031 00:40:40,275 --> 00:40:43,689 AS WEIRD AS IT MIGHT SEEM, IT'S FUNCTIONAL. 1032 00:40:43,689 --> 00:40:46,206 ♪ 1033 00:40:46,206 --> 00:40:47,965 Meri: THIS DOES NOT BOTHER ME AT ALL -- 1034 00:40:47,965 --> 00:40:49,482 THAT ROBYN IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS -- 1035 00:40:49,482 --> 00:40:51,517 BECAUSE ROBYN IS PART OF THIS. 1036 00:40:51,517 --> 00:40:54,413 ♪ 1037 00:40:54,413 --> 00:40:56,896 Robyn: THE MONOGAMOUS CULTURE TEACHES 1038 00:40:56,896 --> 00:40:59,620 THAT WOMEN ARE SUPPOSED TO COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER. 1039 00:40:59,620 --> 00:41:02,241 IN A POLYGAMOUS CULTURE, 1040 00:41:02,241 --> 00:41:05,000 IF YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT, THE IDEA IS, 1041 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,241 IS THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING ONE ANOTHER. 1042 00:41:08,241 --> 00:41:09,517 IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE WORLD, 1043 00:41:09,517 --> 00:41:11,275 AND IF EVERYBODY WAS LIVING PLURAL MARRIAGE 1044 00:41:11,275 --> 00:41:12,862 AND THAT WAS THE CULTURE, 1045 00:41:12,862 --> 00:41:14,896 WHAT WOULD WOMEN BE LIKE WITH EACH OTHER? 1046 00:41:16,068 --> 00:41:18,344 WHAT WOULD THEY BE LIKE IF THAT WAS THE NORM? 1047 00:41:18,344 --> 00:41:20,620 ♪ 1048 00:41:20,620 --> 00:41:22,172 -Kody: YOU GOOD? -Meri: YEAH. 1049 00:41:22,172 --> 00:41:24,241 ♪ 1050 00:41:24,241 --> 00:41:25,931 ALL RIGHT, WE'LL SEE YOU LATER. 1051 00:41:25,931 --> 00:41:27,931 Robyn: SOMETHING VERY, VERY SPECIAL, 1052 00:41:27,931 --> 00:41:30,551 WHEN YOU CAN LOOK AT YOUR SISTER-WIFE 1053 00:41:30,551 --> 00:41:33,413 AND KNOW SHE'S GOT YOUR BEST INTERESTS AT HER HEART 1054 00:41:33,413 --> 00:41:36,379 AND SHE'S ROOTING FOR YOUR RELATIONSHIP. 1055 00:41:36,379 --> 00:41:42,724 ♪ 1056 00:41:42,724 --> 00:41:45,206 IT'S GOT TO BE THE PUREST KIND OF LOVE. 1057 00:41:45,206 --> 00:41:52,965 ♪ 1058 00:41:52,965 --> 00:41:55,068 NEXT TIME, ON "SISTER WIVES"... 1059 00:41:55,068 --> 00:41:56,758 Meri: WE HAVE COME UP TO SALT LAKE CITY 1060 00:41:56,758 --> 00:41:59,068 TO LOOK AT SOME WEDDING VENUE OPTIONS 1061 00:41:59,068 --> 00:42:00,172 WITH MARIAH AND AUDREY, 1062 00:42:00,172 --> 00:42:02,137 YOU GUYS COULD WALK DOWN DOWN AN AISLE 1063 00:42:02,137 --> 00:42:03,655 THAT ISN'T A STRAIGHT LINE. 1064 00:42:03,655 --> 00:42:04,620 [ LAUGHTER ] Woman: THAT'S TRUE. 1065 00:42:04,620 --> 00:42:05,896 Mariah: HEEEEY! 1066 00:42:05,896 --> 00:42:07,034 Woman: YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH. 1067 00:42:07,034 --> 00:42:10,448 [ ALL SHOUTING, CHEERING ] 1068 00:42:10,448 --> 00:42:12,000 THAT JUST, LIKE -- 1069 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,379 IT GOT ME IN THE FEELS, YOU KNOW? 1070 00:42:13,379 --> 00:42:15,758 YEAH, WE'RE NOT STRAIGHT. [ LAUGHS ] 1071 00:42:15,758 --> 00:42:20,862 SO, I THINK THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TOGETHER. 1072 00:42:20,862 --> 00:42:22,655 -WE ACTUALLY DON'T. -OH, GOSH. 1073 00:42:22,655 --> 00:42:24,103 IF I'M IN A ROUGH SPOT WITH KODY, 1074 00:42:24,103 --> 00:42:26,620 IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO CONTRIBUTE 1075 00:42:26,620 --> 00:42:28,310 TO A SISTER-WIFE RELATIONSHIP. 1076 00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:30,620 Robyn: IF YOU KNOW THAT SHE'S ACTUALLY TRYING 1077 00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:32,827 TO SABOTAGE YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH KODY, 1078 00:42:32,827 --> 00:42:34,137 YOU CAN'T TRUST HER. 1079 00:42:34,137 --> 00:42:36,448 HOW ARE YOU FRIENDS WITH SOMEONE YOU CAN'T TRUST?