1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,620 [narrator] Previously onSister Wives. 2 00:00:02,655 --> 00:00:04,965 -[chuckles] Hi. How's it going, sweetheart? -[Savanah] Good. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,172 [Janelle] Kody wants to come over and see the new apartment 4 00:00:07,206 --> 00:00:08,551 that I've moved into. 5 00:00:08,586 --> 00:00:11,724 I mean, we could build a house if you wanted. 6 00:00:11,758 --> 00:00:13,413 I don't understand this "we" thing. 7 00:00:15,103 --> 00:00:16,689 [Kody] I'm looking at this apartment and I'm like, 8 00:00:16,724 --> 00:00:19,000 it's really obvious to me I'm never gonna live in it. 9 00:00:19,034 --> 00:00:21,103 I'm not even welcome here, I don't think. 10 00:00:21,137 --> 00:00:22,206 Let's see if you can blow it out. 11 00:00:22,241 --> 00:00:23,827 -Oh! -[woman 1] Wow! 12 00:00:23,862 --> 00:00:25,551 [Kody] My goal from the beginning was 13 00:00:25,586 --> 00:00:27,620 that my family would be under one roof. 14 00:00:27,655 --> 00:00:29,241 I think every kid needs a dad. 15 00:00:29,275 --> 00:00:31,034 Before we have cake, should we do presents, 16 00:00:31,068 --> 00:00:32,067 -and then have cake? -Good. 17 00:00:32,103 --> 00:00:34,551 [Robyn] It's very, very painful. 18 00:00:34,586 --> 00:00:36,586 It does not make sense to us, 'cause we're like, 19 00:00:36,620 --> 00:00:37,896 "We're a family, what the heck?" 20 00:00:39,758 --> 00:00:41,931 I called him, I'm like, "Hey." And he's like, "Hey." 21 00:00:41,965 --> 00:00:43,241 And I said, "Happy anniversary." 22 00:00:43,275 --> 00:00:45,896 And he's like, "But we're not married..." 23 00:00:45,931 --> 00:00:47,793 And he paused, and then he goes, 24 00:00:47,827 --> 00:00:50,172 "But we're not living as a married couple." 25 00:00:53,448 --> 00:00:55,758 We really haven't had 26 00:00:55,793 --> 00:00:58,862 any sort of marriage for, like, eight years. 27 00:00:58,896 --> 00:01:01,206 Screw him. He's not worth it. 28 00:01:26,862 --> 00:01:30,379 Mykelti's pregnant, and we're having a big gender reveal party today. 29 00:01:30,413 --> 00:01:33,862 So, we're getting everybody on the videochat. 30 00:01:33,896 --> 00:01:36,172 -Hi! -[chuckles] 31 00:01:36,206 --> 00:01:38,241 [Christine] I'm really honestly interested to see 32 00:01:38,275 --> 00:01:40,275 how the kids are 33 00:01:40,310 --> 00:01:41,793 with Kody and Robyn on the call. 34 00:01:41,827 --> 00:01:43,758 I don't care if they're on the call. 35 00:01:43,793 --> 00:01:46,551 But I know that there's a lot of friction between some of the kids. 36 00:01:46,586 --> 00:01:48,758 -How are you feeling, sis? -[woman 2 laughing] Gosh. 37 00:01:48,793 --> 00:01:51,033 I'm well. Pregnancy sucks. 38 00:01:51,068 --> 00:01:53,378 -Yeah. -But honestly, I'm fine. 39 00:01:53,413 --> 00:01:56,344 I was nervous that, like, Gabe and Garrison won't even show up. 40 00:01:57,344 --> 00:01:59,344 Wait, you can see everyone. 41 00:01:59,378 --> 00:02:00,896 Maddie is jumping on. 42 00:02:02,310 --> 00:02:03,827 [no audio] 43 00:02:03,862 --> 00:02:06,655 Um, Logan and Aspyn are running a little late, 44 00:02:06,689 --> 00:02:08,000 but they're gonna be here soon. 45 00:02:09,310 --> 00:02:11,241 Um, it's fun to see everybody. 46 00:02:13,931 --> 00:02:15,965 [woman 3] Say hi... [indistinct] 47 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,103 [Janelle] I'm hoping that we can all get on, 48 00:02:18,137 --> 00:02:20,586 and just be cordial and be adults 49 00:02:20,620 --> 00:02:22,034 and be grownup about this, 50 00:02:22,068 --> 00:02:24,586 and enjoy this process with Tony and Mykelti, 51 00:02:24,620 --> 00:02:25,896 and then go our separate ways. 52 00:02:25,931 --> 00:02:28,517 See Grandpa, and Grandma, 53 00:02:28,551 --> 00:02:31,172 and Ysabel, and Hunter, 54 00:02:31,206 --> 00:02:33,275 and Grandma, and Savanah, 55 00:02:33,310 --> 00:02:37,379 and Gabe, there's Maddie. Say, "Hi!" 56 00:02:37,413 --> 00:02:39,000 [Janelle] You know, even though our last interaction 57 00:02:39,034 --> 00:02:41,137 was on a text thread, 58 00:02:41,172 --> 00:02:43,413 we weren't looking each other in the eye. 59 00:02:43,448 --> 00:02:45,965 We didn't have something that, where we were rallying around, 60 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,310 like Tony and Mykelti, so I think this is a very different situation. 61 00:02:50,827 --> 00:02:52,344 [Kody] Well, I'm pretty nervous. 62 00:02:52,379 --> 00:02:55,344 Um, I'm, it just, I haven't had 63 00:02:55,379 --> 00:02:58,689 a really positive experience with some of my children. 64 00:02:58,724 --> 00:03:02,172 I'm just going in, um, 65 00:03:02,206 --> 00:03:05,965 like this is about Tony, Mykelti, and babies, you know? 66 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,551 [overlapping chatter] 67 00:03:07,586 --> 00:03:11,517 [Robyn] I'm hoping that them seeing Kody and I, 68 00:03:11,551 --> 00:03:14,689 and our smiles and, like, our encouragement, 69 00:03:14,724 --> 00:03:18,103 will help them to realize that I'm not the bad guy. 70 00:03:18,137 --> 00:03:20,965 [Aurora] I wanted to speak up on behalf of my mom 71 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,275 and all the efforts that she's made and, 72 00:03:23,310 --> 00:03:27,206 like, no matter what anyone 73 00:03:27,241 --> 00:03:29,931 believes or feels, 74 00:03:29,965 --> 00:03:33,793 the truth is that she's been one of the biggest, if not the biggest, 75 00:03:33,827 --> 00:03:38,482 cheerleader for, like, good, healthy relationships and correspondence 76 00:03:38,517 --> 00:03:42,137 between Dad and the kids, and Dad and the other wives. 77 00:03:42,172 --> 00:03:44,275 -[overlapping chatter] -We get see everyone. They're fine. 78 00:03:44,310 --> 00:03:46,275 Oh, sorry, rude. We should mute ourselves. 79 00:03:46,310 --> 00:03:48,724 We're doing bad at this... [no audio] 80 00:03:48,758 --> 00:03:51,310 -[woman 4] One for each? -One for each because 81 00:03:51,344 --> 00:03:53,517 we're not cool enough to have one kid 82 00:03:53,551 --> 00:03:56,000 -for our 12 canons. -[woman 5] Oh. 83 00:03:56,034 --> 00:03:58,724 [Janelle] I think it's great that Robyn and Kody are on this call. 84 00:03:58,758 --> 00:04:02,103 They are a couple. I don't have a problem with seeing them as a couple, 85 00:04:02,137 --> 00:04:04,482 them participating in family stuff as a couple. 86 00:04:04,517 --> 00:04:06,620 It's just what it is. 87 00:04:06,655 --> 00:04:08,620 What gender you guys think the twins are? 88 00:04:08,655 --> 00:04:10,448 I think it's a girl and a boy. 89 00:04:10,482 --> 00:04:13,275 One and one. One and one. 90 00:04:13,310 --> 00:04:15,103 -[man 1] One and two. -One girl one boy. 91 00:04:15,137 --> 00:04:16,586 I like one and one. 92 00:04:16,620 --> 00:04:20,000 -[Mykelti] One girl one boy? -Caleb said one girl one boy, too. 93 00:04:20,034 --> 00:04:22,137 I was really happy that, you know, 94 00:04:22,172 --> 00:04:24,379 even though there's, like, strife and struggle, they are still like, 95 00:04:24,413 --> 00:04:25,965 "Well, this is still a family. 96 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,275 Um, we can still try to be a family." 97 00:04:27,310 --> 00:04:29,172 Which is ultimately always what I've wanted, 98 00:04:29,206 --> 00:04:30,689 is that even through this separation, 99 00:04:30,724 --> 00:04:33,482 that my family is still a family, just different. 100 00:04:33,517 --> 00:04:35,655 Yeah, I think it says something that 101 00:04:35,689 --> 00:04:38,310 they're willing to get together for 102 00:04:38,344 --> 00:04:40,620 big life stuff. 103 00:04:40,655 --> 00:04:42,482 Tells you that there's still something there, 104 00:04:42,517 --> 00:04:44,000 which is nice to see. 105 00:04:44,034 --> 00:04:47,310 -Okay, one, two-- -Should we all count together? 106 00:04:47,344 --> 00:04:50,275 -Yeah, together. One, two, three. -[man 2] One... 107 00:04:50,310 --> 00:04:54,482 -Three. Hah! -[all cheering, laughing] 108 00:04:54,517 --> 00:04:56,448 I saw two blue. 109 00:04:56,482 --> 00:04:57,586 Two blue. 110 00:04:57,620 --> 00:04:59,172 -[woman 6] Yeah. -Two for blue. 111 00:04:59,206 --> 00:05:02,758 [happily] Yeah, two boys. Two boys. 112 00:05:02,793 --> 00:05:05,827 -Congratulations, that's amazing. -Yeah! 113 00:05:05,862 --> 00:05:08,551 Ah, two boys! 114 00:05:08,586 --> 00:05:10,586 I'm just as excited as I would be 115 00:05:10,620 --> 00:05:12,655 if they were a pair of girls. 116 00:05:12,689 --> 00:05:15,931 -That's awesome! -I see a...[indistinct] 117 00:05:15,965 --> 00:05:18,931 [all laughing] 118 00:05:18,965 --> 00:05:22,275 [Kody] So, this whole videochat was very bittersweet. 119 00:05:23,241 --> 00:05:24,482 Mostly sweet. 120 00:05:24,517 --> 00:05:27,172 But I started out being 121 00:05:27,206 --> 00:05:29,862 almost in a state of paranoia with anxiety 122 00:05:29,896 --> 00:05:33,275 over the contempt that has been thrown my direction. 123 00:05:33,310 --> 00:05:34,862 Two boys. Ooh. 124 00:05:34,896 --> 00:05:36,896 [indistinct] ...so they're not identical, 125 00:05:36,931 --> 00:05:38,586 so we don't have to worry about them. 126 00:05:38,620 --> 00:05:40,310 About mixing them up. 127 00:05:40,344 --> 00:05:44,551 It would be absolutely amazing and a dream 128 00:05:44,586 --> 00:05:48,068 if my family could completely reconcile, 129 00:05:48,103 --> 00:05:50,379 and all of us could go back to being 130 00:05:50,413 --> 00:05:52,758 one unified family. 131 00:05:54,068 --> 00:05:56,275 I think that they all need each other, ultimately. 132 00:05:56,310 --> 00:05:58,724 I think that all my siblings need each other. 133 00:05:58,758 --> 00:06:01,137 I think that Robyn's kids need Janelle's kids, 134 00:06:01,172 --> 00:06:03,586 and my mom's kids, and Meri's kids. 135 00:06:03,620 --> 00:06:05,793 We all need each other. 136 00:06:05,827 --> 00:06:08,517 I think that ultimately we all need our moms, too, 137 00:06:08,551 --> 00:06:10,551 as hard as it is, we all need our moms. 138 00:06:10,586 --> 00:06:13,862 She goes, "My cousin, Avalon." 139 00:06:13,896 --> 00:06:16,275 -[overlapping chatter] -Aw.[laughs] 140 00:06:16,310 --> 00:06:20,379 -[indistinct] -That's my cousin, Avalon. 141 00:06:20,413 --> 00:06:21,689 [Janelle] I mean, Kody really doesn't have 142 00:06:21,724 --> 00:06:23,827 much contact with many of these people 143 00:06:23,862 --> 00:06:25,689 in these boxes. 144 00:06:33,034 --> 00:06:36,137 Here's the thing, Tony and Mykelti love and Robyn, 145 00:06:36,172 --> 00:06:37,448 and we know that. 146 00:06:37,482 --> 00:06:39,103 We have a good relationship with them. 147 00:06:39,896 --> 00:06:41,586 And that made it all okay. 148 00:06:41,620 --> 00:06:43,655 I mean, I'm hoping that eventually we get to the point 149 00:06:43,689 --> 00:06:45,793 where we will all be able to get together in person. 150 00:06:45,827 --> 00:06:47,758 -[muah] -Bye! 151 00:06:47,793 --> 00:06:49,586 -Bye, y'all.[laughs] -Bye guys. 152 00:06:49,620 --> 00:06:51,379 -Bye. -[man 3] Ciao! 153 00:06:51,413 --> 00:06:55,448 [Christine] I'm not interested in getting back together again for something yet. 154 00:06:55,482 --> 00:06:57,586 All I'm going to be is cordial. 155 00:06:57,620 --> 00:07:00,793 I would love to say I'm going to be more, but I'm not. 156 00:07:00,827 --> 00:07:03,482 And I'm not interested in that either. 157 00:07:03,517 --> 00:07:06,689 [in baby voice] Bye...[indistinct]. Love you. 158 00:07:06,724 --> 00:07:09,551 -[no audio] -Bye, guys. Love you. 159 00:07:09,586 --> 00:07:12,620 [Kody] Someday, our family civil war may end. 160 00:07:12,655 --> 00:07:15,793 And then that contempt, you know, we can deal with it. 161 00:07:15,827 --> 00:07:18,655 And Robyn and I are gonna be like this. 162 00:07:18,689 --> 00:07:20,758 You're not gonna separate us. 163 00:07:20,793 --> 00:07:24,689 They want their dad, but they don't want Robyn. 164 00:07:24,724 --> 00:07:26,344 That's not gonna work. 165 00:07:26,379 --> 00:07:28,103 Robyn and I are gonna be like this, 166 00:07:28,137 --> 00:07:29,724 and we're gonna work this out. 167 00:07:29,758 --> 00:07:33,103 And that's just the relationship we're gonna be in. 168 00:07:41,758 --> 00:07:44,620 Yeah, I don't know where Meri was. 169 00:07:44,655 --> 00:07:46,517 I thought Meri and Mykelti were good. 170 00:07:46,551 --> 00:07:50,758 Our older kids choose who they want to have relationships with. 171 00:07:50,793 --> 00:07:52,793 She's not comfortable with everybody in the family. 172 00:07:53,655 --> 00:07:55,620 She won't be on any other 173 00:07:55,655 --> 00:07:57,379 things for Mykelti and her children. 174 00:08:00,827 --> 00:08:04,793 I have been travelling all weekend. 175 00:08:09,034 --> 00:08:10,206 So, I'm here in Parowan. 176 00:08:10,241 --> 00:08:13,310 We're working on remodeling this carriage house. 177 00:08:13,344 --> 00:08:16,896 It's gonna be my shop, my boutique space 178 00:08:16,931 --> 00:08:18,586 for my clothing business. 179 00:08:18,620 --> 00:08:20,689 Even though I do this business mostly online, 180 00:08:20,724 --> 00:08:22,965 there's gonna be the potential, eventually, 181 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,793 to bring people in and do shopping 182 00:08:25,827 --> 00:08:27,793 actually here in my space. 183 00:08:29,172 --> 00:08:32,620 I just wanted to stop here and check on some things, 184 00:08:32,655 --> 00:08:35,620 and then obviously check on 185 00:08:35,655 --> 00:08:40,551 the current status of the carriage house. 186 00:08:41,172 --> 00:08:42,793 Here I go. 187 00:08:42,827 --> 00:08:44,482 What is happening? 188 00:08:47,068 --> 00:08:49,793 I guess they have to punch some holes in the walls. 189 00:08:49,827 --> 00:08:51,241 Things are happenin'. 190 00:08:52,034 --> 00:08:53,689 Slowly but surely. 191 00:08:55,827 --> 00:08:58,896 So, a few months ago, Kody and I had our anniversary. 192 00:08:58,931 --> 00:09:01,827 It was our 32nd anniversary, and we were out on a drive, 193 00:09:01,862 --> 00:09:05,103 and he basically at that point told me 194 00:09:05,137 --> 00:09:09,931 that our relationship was not gonna ever heal. 195 00:09:09,965 --> 00:09:13,034 He actually said to me, 196 00:09:13,068 --> 00:09:16,241 "I have no desire, Meri, 197 00:09:16,275 --> 00:09:19,241 to have a relationship with you." 198 00:09:20,379 --> 00:09:21,965 This puts it on me now. 199 00:09:25,172 --> 00:09:26,793 When Kody and I got married, 200 00:09:26,827 --> 00:09:28,896 we made a promise to each other. 201 00:09:28,931 --> 00:09:32,931 God was involved, it was a very spiritual thing. 202 00:09:32,965 --> 00:09:36,586 Our plans were to be married for eternity. 203 00:09:39,896 --> 00:09:43,413 How much is this eternal covenant 204 00:09:44,689 --> 00:09:46,448 worth to me? 205 00:09:46,482 --> 00:09:49,862 But then I also think, "But really, has he already broken the covenant, 206 00:09:49,896 --> 00:09:51,655 so what covenant is there?" 207 00:09:51,689 --> 00:09:53,448 Change is good. 208 00:09:55,275 --> 00:09:57,172 Changing up, leveling up. 209 00:09:58,206 --> 00:10:00,413 Doing some amazing things 210 00:10:00,448 --> 00:10:04,413 in my life and businesses. 211 00:10:04,448 --> 00:10:06,620 I'm still just trying to figure out what to do. 212 00:10:06,655 --> 00:10:07,793 What now? 213 00:10:09,689 --> 00:10:11,448 This is just kind of a start to it. 214 00:10:11,482 --> 00:10:15,586 Just kind of able to see, like, this physical, 215 00:10:15,620 --> 00:10:17,724 physical changes happening. 216 00:10:17,758 --> 00:10:20,137 It's kind of cool. I'm excited. 217 00:10:21,413 --> 00:10:24,724 To be eternally bound to somebody who doesn't want me, 218 00:10:27,413 --> 00:10:28,724 it's a lot to consider. 219 00:10:32,965 --> 00:10:35,068 I'm not interested in casual hookups. 220 00:10:35,103 --> 00:10:36,965 I don't really, I don't wanna do that. 221 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,896 I guess I'm just not in much of a hurry. 222 00:10:38,931 --> 00:10:40,551 I like the idea of being in a romantic, 223 00:10:40,586 --> 00:10:42,241 loving relationship a lot. 224 00:10:42,275 --> 00:10:44,793 I'm not gonna be hanging out where lots of single men are, 225 00:10:44,827 --> 00:10:46,172 whatever, you know? 226 00:10:46,206 --> 00:10:48,103 Definitely sure as hell not doing that online dating thing. 227 00:10:48,137 --> 00:10:51,206 I don't get the whole swiping thing. I don't get that. 228 00:10:58,793 --> 00:11:02,275 Ysabel has to go back home to North Carolina. 229 00:11:02,310 --> 00:11:04,965 I am not happy. This is not a good situation. 230 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,586 No, it has been nice having her. 231 00:11:06,620 --> 00:11:09,827 It's been really, really nice having Ysabel for the summer. 232 00:11:12,344 --> 00:11:13,931 [woman 7 speaks indistinctly] ...do you like lobster? 233 00:11:13,965 --> 00:11:16,965 Uh, I have begun to like lobsters. 234 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,275 [woman 7] Oh, really? Awesome. 235 00:11:18,310 --> 00:11:20,137 [Christine] So, we're having complete surf and turf. 236 00:11:20,172 --> 00:11:23,172 Steak, lobster, and crab legs. 237 00:11:23,206 --> 00:11:25,448 Like, we're just going all out for Ysabel. 238 00:11:25,482 --> 00:11:28,448 -It says I need to stick it under the shell. -[Avalon fussing] 239 00:11:28,482 --> 00:11:32,000 Hi! Oh, I do love to hug you. Hi! 240 00:11:32,034 --> 00:11:33,689 Hi! Oh, you wanna... [indistinct] 241 00:11:33,724 --> 00:11:36,034 [overlapping chatter] 242 00:11:36,068 --> 00:11:38,724 [Christine] Avalon's adorable. She's adorable. 243 00:11:38,758 --> 00:11:40,448 She's actually getting busier. 244 00:11:41,827 --> 00:11:44,551 A nice thing about Ysabel coming this summer 245 00:11:44,586 --> 00:11:46,689 is our life is completely different 246 00:11:46,724 --> 00:11:48,103 than when she left us. 247 00:11:48,137 --> 00:11:50,931 And now she gets to see us settled. 248 00:11:50,965 --> 00:11:53,206 It's home, and we're home. 249 00:11:53,241 --> 00:11:55,724 And she likes that. She likes how it feels when we're home. 250 00:12:08,655 --> 00:12:09,931 [woman 8 chuckles] 251 00:12:18,551 --> 00:12:20,517 I would love it if Ysabel moved back here. 252 00:12:20,551 --> 00:12:21,689 Are you kidding me? 253 00:12:21,724 --> 00:12:23,172 She needs to do what she's going to do. 254 00:12:23,206 --> 00:12:25,758 She needs to figure this out. It is her life. 255 00:12:28,517 --> 00:12:31,275 Tony's always asking me about my dating life. Always. 256 00:12:31,310 --> 00:12:34,896 And so, of course, naturally, Ysabel's farewell dinner 257 00:12:34,931 --> 00:12:37,862 turns into about my dating life. It's ridiculous. 258 00:12:42,103 --> 00:12:43,862 I never dated anybody. 259 00:12:43,896 --> 00:12:45,931 Kody was the first boy I kissed, 260 00:12:45,965 --> 00:12:47,655 and it was after we were married. 261 00:12:47,689 --> 00:12:48,896 Yup, it's true. 262 00:13:03,241 --> 00:13:05,586 -[Mykelti] Aspyn and I... [indistinct] -But wait, wait. Okay, okay. 263 00:13:05,620 --> 00:13:06,896 Wait just a minute. What? 264 00:13:29,862 --> 00:13:31,793 [overlapping chatter] 265 00:13:33,620 --> 00:13:35,586 [all laughing] 266 00:13:35,620 --> 00:13:38,310 [indistinct chatter] 267 00:13:38,344 --> 00:13:41,862 Oh, my gosh. Is this really the conversation we're having? 268 00:13:41,896 --> 00:13:43,931 I'm not interested in casual hookups. 269 00:13:43,965 --> 00:13:45,758 I don't really, I don't wanna do that. 270 00:13:57,517 --> 00:13:58,724 See what's what. 271 00:14:00,965 --> 00:14:01,896 You know... 272 00:14:04,724 --> 00:14:06,586 This is Ysabel's farewell dinner, 273 00:14:06,620 --> 00:14:08,655 why are we talking about me dating? 274 00:14:08,689 --> 00:14:10,724 Why am I continuing with this conversation. 275 00:14:10,758 --> 00:14:12,137 They're ridiculous. 276 00:14:24,965 --> 00:14:26,206 -[Tony] Mmm-hmm. -[Christine] I haven't. 277 00:14:28,758 --> 00:14:31,862 It is frightening. I'm entering the dating world at 50. 278 00:14:31,896 --> 00:14:33,379 Everyone comes with a past, 279 00:14:33,413 --> 00:14:36,827 everyone comes with a history, and mine's really complicated. 280 00:14:41,034 --> 00:14:42,689 I just wanna move on with my life 281 00:14:42,724 --> 00:14:44,068 and forget about the past, 282 00:14:44,103 --> 00:14:45,827 and just everything, and all the hurts, 283 00:14:45,862 --> 00:14:47,310 and all the pain, and all the frustration. 284 00:14:47,344 --> 00:14:50,172 It's like, "Look, we're just all different people now." 285 00:14:54,172 --> 00:14:56,068 I'll just continue being, you know, with Janelle. 286 00:14:56,103 --> 00:14:57,827 I love it, I'm just saying. 287 00:15:00,206 --> 00:15:05,551 [Janelle] Kody and Robyn are kind of really wrapped up in raising their kids. 288 00:15:05,586 --> 00:15:08,103 Meri is spending a lot more time at the B&B. 289 00:15:08,137 --> 00:15:09,482 My kids are all great, 290 00:15:09,517 --> 00:15:10,965 and so I have an opportunity to go 291 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,448 do this road trip with Christine, so I'm gonna go. 292 00:15:16,896 --> 00:15:19,206 We've been invited to go up to Christine's brother's house 293 00:15:19,241 --> 00:15:22,896 and drive some ATVs, which I've never done before. 294 00:15:22,931 --> 00:15:26,137 And it'll be just a really great chance to hang out with Christine 295 00:15:26,172 --> 00:15:28,517 and, uh, get to know her family a little more. 296 00:15:33,034 --> 00:15:35,689 [Christine] I want to ask you about a comment that Robyn made. 297 00:15:35,724 --> 00:15:37,758 Robyn was like, 298 00:15:37,793 --> 00:15:42,517 talked about how if I was still, like, usually in the church, 299 00:15:43,724 --> 00:15:45,068 you have to get, like, 300 00:15:45,103 --> 00:15:48,275 -the approval and stuff of, and... -Yeah. 301 00:15:48,310 --> 00:15:50,862 -Which is true, if... -But we all know I'm not part 302 00:15:50,896 --> 00:15:52,896 -of that church, right? -[Janelle] If you're in the church. Right. So... 303 00:15:52,931 --> 00:15:55,344 Am I the only one that's not in the church in the adults? 304 00:15:55,379 --> 00:15:58,241 If we were still part of our church, 305 00:15:58,275 --> 00:16:01,620 we would have had to go through some, like, 306 00:16:01,655 --> 00:16:03,724 counselling and things like that, like, 307 00:16:03,758 --> 00:16:06,965 the head of the church has to agree 308 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,137 to let you get, like, spiritually divorced. 309 00:16:10,172 --> 00:16:13,206 There's no ecclesiastical authority that I believe in 310 00:16:13,241 --> 00:16:15,862 that would sever my relationship with Kody, 311 00:16:15,896 --> 00:16:17,689 and sever my marriage with Kody. 312 00:16:17,724 --> 00:16:19,724 -Aren't all the adults not in the church? -I don't, 313 00:16:19,758 --> 00:16:21,517 I don't, I mean, I haven't been to church 314 00:16:21,551 --> 00:16:23,275 with anybody in a long, long time. 315 00:16:23,310 --> 00:16:25,413 And all I can think is that she was just, 316 00:16:25,448 --> 00:16:27,655 like, it was like deer in the headlight, maybe? 317 00:16:27,689 --> 00:16:30,379 And, like, she was like, reacting from... 318 00:16:30,413 --> 00:16:33,586 -I don't know. -Well, she was thinking it invalidated her marriage 319 00:16:33,620 --> 00:16:35,655 if I could just leave when I wanted to. 320 00:16:35,689 --> 00:16:38,448 In our faith, our spiritual marriages mean more 321 00:16:38,482 --> 00:16:39,965 almost than the legal marriages. 322 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,344 Well, they do mean more. 323 00:16:41,379 --> 00:16:45,137 And they are not something you can just easily decide to not do. 324 00:16:45,172 --> 00:16:47,103 No, there has to be something 325 00:16:47,137 --> 00:16:49,758 that keeps, puts teeth 326 00:16:49,793 --> 00:16:52,931 in these agreements that we make. 327 00:16:52,965 --> 00:16:55,310 So, do they, and does it invalidate you? 328 00:16:55,344 --> 00:16:58,206 -That I just left? -No, 'cause I mean... No. 329 00:16:58,241 --> 00:16:59,827 -[indistinct] -I don't, and I don't know, 330 00:16:59,862 --> 00:17:02,689 like, I've had to really think about this, 'cause I'm like, 331 00:17:02,724 --> 00:17:05,000 you know, obviously, my marriage is not good. 332 00:17:06,896 --> 00:17:09,000 I don't think I really even am married anymore. 333 00:17:09,034 --> 00:17:10,792 Kody and I really haven't had the official conversation, 334 00:17:10,827 --> 00:17:12,103 but I haven't seen him in, like, 335 00:17:12,137 --> 00:17:14,344 he hasn't been in my house in, like, 10 months or something. 336 00:17:14,378 --> 00:17:16,103 -That doesn't sound like you're married. -[Janelle] And... 337 00:17:16,137 --> 00:17:17,413 -No. -I'm just saying. 338 00:17:17,448 --> 00:17:19,827 [Christine] This is one of those delicate balances where 339 00:17:19,862 --> 00:17:21,862 I've never wanted to sway her to leave Kody, 340 00:17:21,896 --> 00:17:24,205 even though it was the best decision that I made. 341 00:17:26,034 --> 00:17:27,448 [Kody] I spent most my life 342 00:17:27,482 --> 00:17:31,827 trying to constantly fit square pegs into round holes. 343 00:17:31,862 --> 00:17:33,172 Feel that movement? 344 00:17:33,206 --> 00:17:35,034 [Brian] We did measure the length of this, right? 345 00:17:35,068 --> 00:17:36,103 [Kody] No, we didn't. 346 00:17:36,137 --> 00:17:37,413 I force things to fit, 347 00:17:37,448 --> 00:17:39,275 rather than going, "Is this a fit?" 348 00:17:51,793 --> 00:17:53,965 [Kody] My life has changed a lot. 349 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,620 And it's interesting because 350 00:17:55,655 --> 00:17:58,275 I don't really feel like a polygamist anymore. 351 00:17:58,310 --> 00:18:02,344 Uh, it's been 10 months since I've been to Janelle's house. 352 00:18:02,379 --> 00:18:04,344 I don't even know what's going on 353 00:18:04,379 --> 00:18:06,413 hardly half the time with Meri's life. 354 00:18:06,448 --> 00:18:09,379 Now I've got all this time that Robyn and I, 355 00:18:09,413 --> 00:18:12,413 we've got sort of this special life together. 356 00:18:15,206 --> 00:18:17,344 I mean, it's been challenging one way, but you know what? 357 00:18:17,379 --> 00:18:19,275 I do have some time to spend with my friend. 358 00:18:19,310 --> 00:18:22,241 So, Brian's been in town for business. 359 00:18:22,275 --> 00:18:25,068 And him and I have got some business we're gonna wrap up today. 360 00:18:25,103 --> 00:18:28,379 Um, so we can figure out which hitch we think 361 00:18:28,413 --> 00:18:31,344 -is gonna be best here. -[Brian] Yeah, let's measure it. 362 00:18:31,379 --> 00:18:34,137 I was the one that married Brian to his wife, Judith. 363 00:18:34,172 --> 00:18:36,034 I performed their wedding ceremony. 364 00:18:36,068 --> 00:18:38,931 And that was actually a special experience. 365 00:18:38,965 --> 00:18:40,103 And now, I'm thinking this one, 366 00:18:40,137 --> 00:18:42,586 'cause the weight is gonna pull you down to the level. 367 00:18:42,620 --> 00:18:45,620 And Brian's got a little car lot in Oklahoma. 368 00:18:45,655 --> 00:18:48,000 So, I sold him these three vehicles. 369 00:18:48,034 --> 00:18:51,413 He bought the pickup, and he bought my sports car. 370 00:18:51,448 --> 00:18:53,344 And he bought this little car that I'd been just 371 00:18:53,379 --> 00:18:54,655 farming around the kids, you know? 372 00:18:54,689 --> 00:18:57,103 I got a trailer, we're gonna haul that car in it, 373 00:18:57,137 --> 00:18:59,448 and then this pickup truck is gonna pull 'em both. 374 00:18:59,482 --> 00:19:00,931 [Brian] We shoulda put some lubrication 375 00:19:00,965 --> 00:19:02,586 -on that jack. -[Kody] I think it's on. [laughs] 376 00:19:02,620 --> 00:19:03,896 [creaking] 377 00:19:03,931 --> 00:19:05,724 [Brian] Kody does not need a project, 378 00:19:05,758 --> 00:19:07,206 and he does not need to rebuild a car. 379 00:19:07,241 --> 00:19:08,862 You know, I said, "You got kids, you got wives, 380 00:19:08,896 --> 00:19:10,758 you got houses you're building, you're doing stuff. 381 00:19:10,793 --> 00:19:12,689 You don't need to rebuild this car." 382 00:19:12,724 --> 00:19:16,000 Best case scenario, Brian and I change the hitch, 383 00:19:16,034 --> 00:19:17,724 we get the trailer back on, 384 00:19:17,758 --> 00:19:20,034 we get the car in the trailer, 385 00:19:20,068 --> 00:19:21,620 load it, lock down, 386 00:19:21,655 --> 00:19:23,275 and the truck will pull it. 387 00:19:23,310 --> 00:19:25,827 Worst case scenario, Brian drives the truck 388 00:19:25,862 --> 00:19:28,137 and comes back another time for the sports car. [laughs] 389 00:19:29,310 --> 00:19:31,344 [Brian] Let's not forget we gotta change that ball. 390 00:19:31,379 --> 00:19:34,482 -[both laughing] -The ball, yes. 391 00:19:34,517 --> 00:19:35,793 [Brian] When we get... 392 00:19:35,827 --> 00:19:37,206 I'm a little nervous. 393 00:19:38,482 --> 00:19:40,344 Now that Brian and I have the trailer fixed, 394 00:19:40,379 --> 00:19:42,172 and it's hooked up to the truck, 395 00:19:42,206 --> 00:19:44,000 we're gonna driver her from Coyote Pass 396 00:19:44,034 --> 00:19:45,620 over to Robyn's house, 397 00:19:45,655 --> 00:19:48,620 where we will load the car up into the trailer. 398 00:19:48,655 --> 00:19:51,103 [fake crying] It'll be so sad to see my car go. 399 00:19:54,862 --> 00:19:58,172 When you're going through a hard experience, 400 00:19:58,206 --> 00:20:03,103 the presence of other men who respect and love you, 401 00:20:03,137 --> 00:20:07,620 um, help endure that experience. 402 00:20:07,655 --> 00:20:11,620 It also takes the focus off of everything going on 403 00:20:11,655 --> 00:20:13,482 with the family, those struggles, 404 00:20:13,517 --> 00:20:17,172 when him and I are focused on accomplishing something. 405 00:20:18,965 --> 00:20:21,206 It's a help to move me 406 00:20:21,241 --> 00:20:24,827 away from what is hard about my life in other ways. 407 00:20:24,862 --> 00:20:27,655 This car has been part of my life for so long. 408 00:20:27,689 --> 00:20:30,275 I feel like we might both end up crying over this car. 409 00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:33,137 -For different reasons. -For different reasons. 410 00:20:33,172 --> 00:20:36,827 Car's 2002, it's... it's, uh, it's 20 years old. 411 00:20:36,862 --> 00:20:38,103 Now, it's a classic. 412 00:20:38,137 --> 00:20:41,206 The white sports car was definitely Kody's baby. 413 00:20:43,482 --> 00:20:47,379 [Kody] I remember driving with Gwendlyn through Yellowstone park in it. 414 00:20:47,413 --> 00:20:49,448 You know, Janelle and I'd go camping in it. 415 00:20:49,482 --> 00:20:51,241 [Janelle] You know, I can remember that Kody was so excited 416 00:20:51,275 --> 00:20:53,448 because he got a sports car and it had a back seat... 417 00:20:53,482 --> 00:20:55,827 Wasn't much of a back seat. 418 00:20:55,862 --> 00:21:01,241 Ysabel was the last person out of the kids to drive the white sports car. 419 00:21:01,275 --> 00:21:06,241 Her driving in the sports car was, like, my favorite. 420 00:21:06,275 --> 00:21:09,517 [Kody] Robyn and I fell in love in this car. 421 00:21:09,551 --> 00:21:14,000 I got my answer about Kody in the white sports car, too. 422 00:21:14,551 --> 00:21:16,241 I felt God talking to me. 423 00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:19,482 There's a lot of fun stuff that happened in that white sports car. 424 00:21:19,517 --> 00:21:20,931 I... I went... I... 425 00:21:20,965 --> 00:21:23,758 This is the car I was driving when I went... first went public... 426 00:21:23,793 --> 00:21:25,137 -Yeah. -...with the polygamy thing. 427 00:21:25,172 --> 00:21:27,310 -Yeah, in Utah. -[chuckles] Yeah. 428 00:21:27,344 --> 00:21:30,275 I like marriage, uh, 429 00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:31,758 and I'm a repeat offender. 430 00:21:31,793 --> 00:21:35,103 I admitted to the world, basically, that I was a polygamist 431 00:21:35,137 --> 00:21:36,965 when I was driving that car. 432 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,551 Ah, yeah, there we go. 433 00:21:42,103 --> 00:21:44,068 All right, we're going low. 434 00:21:45,793 --> 00:21:48,000 [Brian] Okay, go to the right a little. 435 00:21:48,034 --> 00:21:50,241 -Okay... Okay, how much room do you have? -[Kody] Are we clear now? 436 00:21:50,275 --> 00:21:52,551 -I got an inch. I got two. -I got an inch. 437 00:21:52,586 --> 00:21:53,896 Okay, right there. Whoa, whoa. 438 00:21:55,344 --> 00:21:58,862 We're gonna get in. All you need is a quarter inch. 439 00:21:58,896 --> 00:22:00,793 Keep coming. 440 00:22:00,827 --> 00:22:04,379 As long as it doesn't touch the car, we're fine. 441 00:22:04,413 --> 00:22:05,896 Oh, yeah, you're good. You're good on my side. 442 00:22:05,931 --> 00:22:07,379 You got a little extra room if you need it. 443 00:22:07,413 --> 00:22:10,172 I don't know how much room I'm getting here as I go in. 444 00:22:10,206 --> 00:22:11,896 Oh, wait. Woo-hoo. 445 00:22:11,931 --> 00:22:13,620 'Cause all of a sudden we're wondering, 446 00:22:13,655 --> 00:22:14,827 do we have enough room? 447 00:22:14,862 --> 00:22:16,413 Feel that movement? 448 00:22:16,448 --> 00:22:19,655 -[Brian] We did measure the length of this, right? -[Kody] No, we didn't. 449 00:22:19,689 --> 00:22:21,793 We measured it side to side but we didn't 450 00:22:21,827 --> 00:22:24,551 measure it from front to back, we don't know. 451 00:22:24,586 --> 00:22:26,413 [Brian] Keep coming, keep coming. 452 00:22:26,448 --> 00:22:27,862 Six inches, keep coming. 453 00:22:27,896 --> 00:22:29,655 -[Kody] Whoa, you sure? -[Brian] Keep coming. 454 00:22:29,689 --> 00:22:31,965 -[Kody] You sure my... I'm not against it? -[Brian] You're not. 455 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,482 I'm still just being optimistic that we're even gonna fit. 456 00:22:35,862 --> 00:22:37,482 [Brian] Stop. 457 00:22:37,517 --> 00:22:39,310 -[Kody] Check and see if we're good? -We're touching. 458 00:22:39,344 --> 00:22:41,068 And I don't know what's happening. 459 00:22:41,103 --> 00:22:42,482 [Brian] It's gonna get dark for a second. 460 00:22:44,931 --> 00:22:47,034 [Kody] Here's pray... Here's praying. 461 00:22:50,862 --> 00:22:52,862 Oh, my gosh! 462 00:22:52,896 --> 00:22:56,448 This is gonna be, like, two inches that is not going to go our way. 463 00:22:56,482 --> 00:22:59,206 [Kody] What if I pressure on to the other side? What do you think? 464 00:22:59,241 --> 00:23:01,310 [Brian] Feel like you could go through the front of the trailer. 465 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,137 Oh, boy. We're all the way to the front 466 00:23:08,172 --> 00:23:11,551 and I just don't see how it's gonna be safe to 467 00:23:11,586 --> 00:23:13,896 just strap the door tight. 468 00:23:13,931 --> 00:23:16,655 I mean, we need three more inches. 469 00:23:16,689 --> 00:23:18,310 -[Brian] I knew we should've measured that. -Yeah, yeah... 470 00:23:18,344 --> 00:23:19,586 -[Brian] The second I said it... -I wasn't even thinking. 471 00:23:19,620 --> 00:23:20,965 -...I knew we were screwed. -I wasn't even thinking. 472 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,241 I thought, this has gotta be a 12-foot car, 473 00:23:23,275 --> 00:23:25,241 not a 14-foot car. 474 00:23:25,275 --> 00:23:27,931 We got, uh... uh... 475 00:23:27,965 --> 00:23:29,965 There's nothing to be done here. 476 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,000 -[Brian] Straight, straight, straight. -[Kody] Gosh. [chuckles] 477 00:23:33,034 --> 00:23:35,827 I've spent most of my life as this polygamist 478 00:23:35,862 --> 00:23:39,448 trying to constantly fit, um, 479 00:23:39,482 --> 00:23:41,896 square pegs into round holes. 480 00:23:41,931 --> 00:23:44,379 There's just no way to squeeze, it's too much. 481 00:23:44,413 --> 00:23:48,137 I... I feel good. It's like the adventures of Kody and Brian, man. 482 00:23:48,172 --> 00:23:50,482 -[Brian] Yeah. -It's kind of... This is nuts. 483 00:23:50,517 --> 00:23:53,827 I force things to fit rather than going, "Is this a fit?" 484 00:23:53,862 --> 00:23:56,275 -I thought she had jacked up the bumper... -No. 485 00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:58,206 ...and I thought, "Well, let's just take the bumper off." 486 00:23:58,241 --> 00:24:00,724 -But that's not gonna do it. -No. 487 00:24:00,758 --> 00:24:02,172 -Okay. Shoot. -Next... next trip. 488 00:24:02,206 --> 00:24:03,448 Next trip, man. 489 00:24:03,482 --> 00:24:06,275 I've had to learn through my experiences in plural marriage 490 00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:09,793 that the square peg is not a good idea to f... 491 00:24:09,827 --> 00:24:11,620 pound into the round hole. 492 00:24:14,448 --> 00:24:17,827 Oh, there's no doubt that I probably flirted with Janelle a little bit. 493 00:24:17,862 --> 00:24:19,896 [Janelle] You know, he would always kind of joke, 494 00:24:19,931 --> 00:24:21,862 "Oh, why don't you come be in our family?" 495 00:24:21,896 --> 00:24:24,000 I just remember talking to her a lot. 496 00:24:24,517 --> 00:24:25,448 Was that flirting? 497 00:24:32,206 --> 00:24:37,172 [Janelle] I don't consider myself married. I consider myself, definitely separate. 498 00:24:37,206 --> 00:24:39,586 Divorced, separated, I don't know. 499 00:24:39,620 --> 00:24:41,586 I feel like, over the past ten months 500 00:24:41,620 --> 00:24:46,103 Janelle has really made it difficult for me to feel like I'm married to her anymore. 501 00:24:46,137 --> 00:24:49,448 It's just... she's just constantly gone, I don't think we can reconcile. 502 00:24:50,034 --> 00:24:51,448 Um, and... 503 00:24:52,758 --> 00:24:54,586 I don't disagree with her but 504 00:24:54,620 --> 00:24:57,689 I sometimes feel like, "Are we just giving up too easy?" 505 00:24:57,724 --> 00:25:01,103 I really just don't know how I would define my marriage to Janelle. 506 00:25:01,137 --> 00:25:02,827 I had such a strong 507 00:25:02,862 --> 00:25:04,896 -spiritual-- -So, he hasn't even been at your house in ten months. 508 00:25:04,931 --> 00:25:07,103 Well, I mean, he's come over to, like... 509 00:25:07,137 --> 00:25:09,275 He came and saw the new place. 510 00:25:09,310 --> 00:25:11,482 Since school started I haven't heard from him. 511 00:25:11,517 --> 00:25:14,724 Savanah hasn't heard from him in, like, I don't know, a month. 512 00:25:14,758 --> 00:25:16,655 I haven't been in Janelle's house in ten months. 513 00:25:16,689 --> 00:25:19,620 But it doesn't mean that I haven't been around. 514 00:25:19,655 --> 00:25:23,344 I have a very busy life. I love going to bed at night and reading my book 515 00:25:23,379 --> 00:25:26,551 and turning out the light when I want to turn it out and 516 00:25:26,586 --> 00:25:29,172 the dogs are on the bed with me 'cause he never could stand that. 517 00:25:29,206 --> 00:25:32,137 Like, I mean, just... I get to do my thing, you know. 518 00:25:32,172 --> 00:25:36,586 I like being single. I love being single. I love it. 519 00:25:36,620 --> 00:25:39,620 First of all, I'm not interested in dating, at all. 520 00:25:39,655 --> 00:25:41,241 I'm not even interested, I'm not looking. 521 00:25:41,275 --> 00:25:43,551 I don't even look at guys or men. 522 00:25:43,586 --> 00:25:46,034 Like, I just... it's just... it's just [exclaims] 523 00:25:46,068 --> 00:25:49,068 I just don't... I don't... It's too much work. I don't wanna do that. 524 00:25:51,275 --> 00:25:52,896 I'm not looking. I'm not gonna be hanging out 525 00:25:52,931 --> 00:25:55,379 where lots of single men are or whatever, you know. 526 00:25:55,413 --> 00:25:58,103 Definitely, sure as hell not doing that online dating thing. I don't... 527 00:25:59,793 --> 00:26:02,551 get that whole swiping thing, I don't get that. 528 00:26:02,586 --> 00:26:05,068 And so, I'm like, you know if I were in a place 529 00:26:05,103 --> 00:26:08,413 where I really wanted to find somebody again, I'd probably have to give it more thought. 530 00:26:10,965 --> 00:26:14,965 For me, I don't wanna break my covenant without knowing God's completely cool with it. 531 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,137 I don't know. Don't know how that happens but 532 00:26:18,172 --> 00:26:20,551 I'm waiting till I know. 533 00:26:20,586 --> 00:26:22,827 -So, I don't know but... -That's absolutely frustrating. 534 00:26:22,862 --> 00:26:25,275 -I'm sorry. -...for me, like, I had such a spiritual witness 535 00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:26,896 -to marry Kody. Like, I knew... -Yes! 536 00:26:26,931 --> 00:26:28,482 -...I should marry him. I knew it... -Yes. 537 00:26:28,517 --> 00:26:30,206 ...I knew it without a doubt. 538 00:26:30,241 --> 00:26:34,551 I was friends with Meri's family before, um, she even met Kody. 539 00:26:34,586 --> 00:26:38,137 She wanted me to come meet her new boyfriend, 540 00:26:38,172 --> 00:26:40,724 so I was there and he walked in the room and it was, like, 541 00:26:40,758 --> 00:26:44,620 I remembered. It was like when you see somebody that you haven't seen for a long time. 542 00:26:44,655 --> 00:26:48,172 There was all that emotional, like, "Oh, there you are." You know, that feeling. 543 00:26:48,206 --> 00:26:50,379 And I had that feeling the minute I saw him walk in the room. 544 00:27:02,689 --> 00:27:04,379 You know, he would always kind of joke, 545 00:27:04,413 --> 00:27:06,827 "Oh, why don't you come be in our family?" 546 00:27:06,862 --> 00:27:10,827 Oh, there's no doubt that I probably flirted with Janelle a little bit. 547 00:27:10,862 --> 00:27:13,482 I just remember talking to her a lot. 548 00:27:13,517 --> 00:27:14,793 Was that flirting? 549 00:27:14,827 --> 00:27:17,517 Well, if we were both smiling at each other, it must've been. 550 00:27:22,103 --> 00:27:25,413 As I started to do a lot of my own study 551 00:27:25,448 --> 00:27:27,655 and I was embracing the faith, 552 00:27:27,689 --> 00:27:30,517 I asked him, I said, "Look, I think I'm supposed to be in your family." 553 00:27:31,758 --> 00:27:34,482 And he said, "Okay, let's pray about it." 554 00:27:40,206 --> 00:27:43,379 There was no doubt in my mind that's who I was supposed to be married to. 555 00:27:44,551 --> 00:27:46,862 Oh, yeah. I definitely knew I should marry Kody. 556 00:27:46,896 --> 00:27:50,034 It was a strong spiritual witness, um, 557 00:27:50,068 --> 00:27:53,551 and, yeah, it was... no regrets. 558 00:27:53,586 --> 00:27:57,000 And then, when it was time to leave, it was also time to leave. 559 00:27:57,034 --> 00:28:00,103 And I just knew without a doubt, also, that it was time to go. 560 00:28:04,379 --> 00:28:07,344 I know that I didn't make a mistake in marrying him. 561 00:28:13,758 --> 00:28:15,448 I would do it all over again. 562 00:28:18,413 --> 00:28:20,931 I didn't think these kinds of things had an expiration date but 563 00:28:20,965 --> 00:28:23,896 it appears that our relationship might have had an expiration date. 564 00:28:31,413 --> 00:28:34,655 So, you still have a testimony that you are going to live plural marriage 565 00:28:34,689 --> 00:28:36,137 and that's where you want to be. 566 00:28:36,172 --> 00:28:37,758 I am open to it. 567 00:28:37,793 --> 00:28:40,344 -Okay. -Whether I live it again or not, I don't know... 568 00:28:40,379 --> 00:28:44,344 -Okay. -...'cause, but I'm open to it but I see no venue for it. 569 00:28:44,379 --> 00:28:46,931 I... I mean, where am I gonna go, I can't... I... 570 00:28:46,965 --> 00:28:48,655 -There's nothing. Yeah. -...You know what I mean? So... 571 00:28:49,379 --> 00:28:51,034 -Wow. -...So, I don't know. 572 00:28:51,068 --> 00:28:53,689 Would you welcome a marriage again, right now 573 00:28:53,724 --> 00:28:55,689 -or just be done? Okay. -No. 574 00:28:55,724 --> 00:28:58,034 'Cause last time we talked, like, when we were at that rental, 575 00:28:58,068 --> 00:28:59,758 -the rental house in Flag... -Yeah, no, yeah. 576 00:28:59,793 --> 00:29:01,103 No, I'm not at all interested 577 00:29:01,137 --> 00:29:03,655 -in reconciling with him at all. -[Christine] Okay, okay. 578 00:29:03,689 --> 00:29:05,862 Feel like Janelle is full-on talking about leaving Kody at this point. 579 00:29:05,896 --> 00:29:07,206 This is full-on leaving. 580 00:29:07,241 --> 00:29:09,620 We used to have this magical four days 581 00:29:09,655 --> 00:29:11,896 -of feasting for Thanksgiving. -Yes, I know and 582 00:29:11,931 --> 00:29:14,379 -when Robyn came a lot of those traditions changed. -They changed. 583 00:29:14,413 --> 00:29:17,137 -Well, we stopped doing our Friday night dinners. -Mmm-hmm. 584 00:29:17,172 --> 00:29:19,275 Every single Saturday we were doing things 585 00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:22,827 and Robyn came in the family and it stopped. It all stopped. 586 00:29:22,862 --> 00:29:26,068 She was a separate entity from us and... 587 00:29:26,103 --> 00:29:28,931 and Kody ended up being there quite a bit. 588 00:29:28,965 --> 00:29:31,068 Robyn always supported our family traditions 589 00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:35,551 because that was part of the negotiation that we made when we got married. 590 00:29:35,586 --> 00:29:38,068 In fact, she actually enhanced our traditions. 591 00:29:38,103 --> 00:29:42,931 For me, I think that they just found each other. I think he found a soulmate. 592 00:29:42,965 --> 00:29:44,827 I think, and you probably feel differently 593 00:29:44,862 --> 00:29:48,206 which is completely fine, it doesn't work with plural marriage, at all. 594 00:29:48,241 --> 00:29:50,965 But it just seemed to me that that's what it felt like, 595 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,068 was that he found his soulmate and that's who he wanted to be with and 596 00:29:54,103 --> 00:29:56,793 she didn't really wanna do stuff together, 597 00:29:56,827 --> 00:29:58,000 I don't know. 598 00:29:59,172 --> 00:30:02,931 I think Kody's very happy to be, uh, Robyn's husband. 599 00:30:07,275 --> 00:30:09,448 One of the things a plural husband is supposed to do 600 00:30:09,482 --> 00:30:11,931 is he needs to grow beyond himself. 601 00:30:11,965 --> 00:30:16,413 I think for a long time he really tried, he really tried hard. 602 00:30:20,793 --> 00:30:24,103 Somewhere along the line he found somebody who 603 00:30:24,137 --> 00:30:26,517 was alike, like, thought like him, 604 00:30:26,551 --> 00:30:29,413 like, was more like him. Like, kind of, his... 605 00:30:29,448 --> 00:30:31,344 It was easy to be with her. 606 00:30:31,379 --> 00:30:34,413 He should've continued to grow beyond that, 607 00:30:34,448 --> 00:30:36,862 to be able to meet the needs of all the other women. 608 00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:47,724 I really think, for some reason, their relationship 609 00:30:47,758 --> 00:30:49,620 seems to be really great for him. 610 00:30:49,655 --> 00:30:53,137 Like, that's kind of, he seems to be really wanting to focus there more. 611 00:30:53,172 --> 00:30:56,413 That's great. That's fine with me. It is, because 612 00:30:56,448 --> 00:31:01,482 I... I... I know I don't want him to come back. 613 00:31:01,517 --> 00:31:04,206 But, so, I'm not making any decisions now. 614 00:31:04,241 --> 00:31:06,068 -You do. -I still have family. 615 00:31:06,103 --> 00:31:08,724 -[Christine] Yes, yes. -I don't have a husband, I guess. 616 00:31:10,275 --> 00:31:12,482 I have an amazing relationship with Janelle. 617 00:31:12,931 --> 00:31:14,482 It's fantastic. 618 00:31:14,517 --> 00:31:17,758 And if... if we didn't figure things out 619 00:31:17,793 --> 00:31:20,896 and become friends and 620 00:31:20,931 --> 00:31:23,275 been together like we have, 621 00:31:23,310 --> 00:31:25,379 um, leaving would look a lot different. 622 00:31:30,206 --> 00:31:34,137 Janelle made an obvious, definite choice to support me. 623 00:31:34,172 --> 00:31:36,068 I remember crying when we were all talking 624 00:31:36,103 --> 00:31:38,793 and she's like, "What am I gonna do about my kids and stuff?" 625 00:31:38,827 --> 00:31:42,896 When I first told everybody I was gonna leave she was heartbroken. 626 00:31:42,931 --> 00:31:46,241 But she still was supportive and she still was amazing 627 00:31:46,275 --> 00:31:49,586 and decided to still wanna do things with me 628 00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:52,724 and raise our kids together and be a unit together. 629 00:31:52,758 --> 00:31:56,965 Honestly, at the core, the people that I would be devastated the most to lose 630 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,689 are... are you and your kids. 631 00:31:58,724 --> 00:32:01,689 Yeah, I don't miss Kody, I don't really miss Robyn. 632 00:32:01,724 --> 00:32:04,586 I don't... I haven't talked to Meri in almost a year. 633 00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:07,586 Like, I haven't talked to her since before Thanksgiving last year. 634 00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:10,965 I mean, Janelle and I, the reason why she can be my sister wife 635 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,034 is because we're the only part of our plural family that survived. 636 00:32:14,068 --> 00:32:16,206 Kody and Robyn are living in monogamy. 637 00:32:16,241 --> 00:32:18,103 Th... they just are. 638 00:32:18,137 --> 00:32:21,689 And Meri's not part of the equation with their family. 639 00:32:26,482 --> 00:32:29,655 I still have this core family unit in my mind. 640 00:32:29,689 --> 00:32:32,275 This is what this is. Christine's kids, my kids, 641 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:34,172 the way they're so connected, 642 00:32:34,206 --> 00:32:36,896 I still feel like there's a core family unit here. 643 00:32:38,275 --> 00:32:40,172 Like, we really truly are... 644 00:32:41,344 --> 00:32:42,310 sister wives. 645 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,379 [Janelle] I have this little nagging fear in the back of my head 646 00:32:50,413 --> 00:32:52,379 that I'm going into a weekend full of 647 00:32:52,413 --> 00:32:54,275 having to defend my choices. 648 00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:58,068 If I could do anything I would be out there, like, knocking on the door, saying, 649 00:32:58,103 --> 00:33:00,034 "Get yourself financially independent!" 650 00:33:00,068 --> 00:33:01,344 'Cause then you have choices. 651 00:33:01,379 --> 00:33:02,931 Do you know what she's talking about here? 652 00:33:02,965 --> 00:33:04,517 And what she's hinting at here? 653 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,103 So, we're here visiting Levi and Steve. 654 00:33:12,137 --> 00:33:15,965 Steve is my little brother from my... my mom. 655 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,137 But when my mom left my dad 656 00:33:18,172 --> 00:33:22,068 he actually moved in with my dad and my other mom. 657 00:33:22,103 --> 00:33:25,310 And then Levi is my little brother from my other mom, 658 00:33:25,344 --> 00:33:28,482 so, basically, Steve, from my mom 659 00:33:28,517 --> 00:33:32,793 and Levi from my other mom really grew up as full siblings, honestly. 660 00:33:32,827 --> 00:33:35,448 All right, so let me, uh, pull these out real quick 661 00:33:35,482 --> 00:33:37,827 and I'll kinda show you guys how they work out [indistinct] 662 00:33:37,862 --> 00:33:39,724 Oh, yeah, baby, are you excited to know? 663 00:33:39,758 --> 00:33:43,068 I am, but I'm also, like, I don't know, 664 00:33:43,103 --> 00:33:44,551 like, butterflies a little bit. 665 00:33:44,586 --> 00:33:47,379 One of the biggest reasons I wanted Janelle to come up here to Idaho 666 00:33:47,413 --> 00:33:50,068 is because I wanted her to drive her own ATV. 667 00:33:53,758 --> 00:33:56,379 Janelle's actually leaving me behind in the dust. 668 00:33:56,413 --> 00:33:59,689 She is doing super great and now she's just going. 669 00:33:59,724 --> 00:34:01,655 It's good to see this side of her. 670 00:34:01,689 --> 00:34:05,310 I'm just so proud of her for taking control and 671 00:34:05,344 --> 00:34:08,931 taking charge but having fun, and going for it. 672 00:34:08,965 --> 00:34:11,034 So, I just wish that for her. 673 00:34:11,068 --> 00:34:15,137 Taking charge of her life and having some fun and just going for it. 674 00:34:15,172 --> 00:34:18,655 You know, I've never driven an ATV all by myself and this was so much fun. 675 00:34:18,688 --> 00:34:20,551 It was really good reason to come up here 676 00:34:20,585 --> 00:34:22,516 and just hang out with Christine's brothers. 677 00:34:22,551 --> 00:34:23,931 I'm so glad we came. 678 00:34:23,965 --> 00:34:25,688 That was actually... 679 00:34:25,724 --> 00:34:27,862 That was actually so much fun. 680 00:34:27,896 --> 00:34:31,688 I've been worried that, um, 681 00:34:31,724 --> 00:34:34,034 especially, with Christine's feelings about plural marriage 682 00:34:34,068 --> 00:34:38,275 I've been worried that I'm going into a situation where they're not gonna be 683 00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:41,757 super friendly about the idea of... of plural marriage. 684 00:34:41,793 --> 00:34:42,931 Hi. Steve. 685 00:34:42,965 --> 00:34:44,275 I don't think so, 686 00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:46,379 but I have this little nagging fear in the back of my head 687 00:34:46,413 --> 00:34:48,379 that I'm going into a weekend full of 688 00:34:48,413 --> 00:34:50,688 having to defend my choices. 689 00:34:50,724 --> 00:34:53,965 Yeah, it's so cool that, uh... Yeah, it's so cool to see you again. 690 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,275 It's been, uh, awesome that you and Chris have been able to 691 00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:57,793 -hang out so much. -[Janelle] Yeah. Yeah. 692 00:34:57,827 --> 00:34:59,413 We actually are having a lot of fun. 693 00:34:59,448 --> 00:35:01,344 [Christine] Janelle and I will always, like, do stuff together. 694 00:35:01,379 --> 00:35:03,448 Like, we... like, we really feel like... 695 00:35:03,482 --> 00:35:05,655 I feel like we just raised our kids together so much, 696 00:35:05,689 --> 00:35:08,172 so, we're... we're always just gonna do stuff together. 697 00:35:08,206 --> 00:35:10,896 [Janelle] So, okay, so, tell me, um, 698 00:35:10,931 --> 00:35:13,275 did you... did you guys live in one house? 699 00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:16,689 Yeah, Dad had our mom downstairs and then 700 00:35:16,724 --> 00:35:18,724 -Levi's mom upstairs. -Upstairs. 701 00:35:18,758 --> 00:35:21,413 -That was the final when they lived together. -Now, now, that 702 00:35:21,448 --> 00:35:23,620 only worked... That did not work well for a long time. 703 00:35:23,655 --> 00:35:25,310 Do you remember it not working? 704 00:35:25,344 --> 00:35:28,448 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there was, there was a couple of times where they were, like, 705 00:35:28,482 --> 00:35:31,517 just furious and, like, yelling at each other and stuff. 706 00:35:31,551 --> 00:35:34,448 My dad married my other mom when I was five, 707 00:35:34,482 --> 00:35:36,931 and I lived in polygamy my whole entire life 708 00:35:36,965 --> 00:35:39,241 and loved the idea of living in polygamy. 709 00:35:39,275 --> 00:35:42,517 I remember how bad I wanted to have sister wives. 710 00:35:42,551 --> 00:35:47,448 When I was 17 I was, like, "Yes, that's exactly what I wanna do." 711 00:35:47,482 --> 00:35:50,000 I wanted to be a third wife at 17 712 00:35:50,034 --> 00:35:53,137 and I... I really, honestly loved our community. 713 00:35:53,172 --> 00:35:54,827 I loved our church. 714 00:35:54,862 --> 00:35:57,931 I loved... I had a great childhood. All of it was great. 715 00:35:57,965 --> 00:36:00,793 Seeing that firsthand growing up, I mean, it was, like, 716 00:36:00,827 --> 00:36:03,482 there were some times where you could, I mean, you could just feel the tension 717 00:36:03,517 --> 00:36:05,206 in the room. 718 00:36:05,241 --> 00:36:06,758 -[Janelle] We get it. -I mean, it was like you could cut the tension with a knife 719 00:36:06,793 --> 00:36:09,379 growing up. I mean, you know, we were just young kids and it was, like, 720 00:36:09,413 --> 00:36:12,517 you have this atmosphere in the house where you're just, like, 721 00:36:12,551 --> 00:36:15,241 -"Holy smokes," like, "Who's gonna blow up today?" -[Janelle] Yeah, yeah. 722 00:36:15,275 --> 00:36:18,344 To me, I didn't even notice the tension. I just thought they were fine. 723 00:36:18,379 --> 00:36:21,103 It was a lot of people in that house 724 00:36:21,137 --> 00:36:26,206 and I remember it being a party and having so much fun. 725 00:36:26,241 --> 00:36:29,586 And I also remember being a moody teenager and slamming a lot of doors. 726 00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:31,344 [laughs] 727 00:36:34,206 --> 00:36:37,896 So, Janelle and I, we lived together in a little trailer 728 00:36:37,931 --> 00:36:40,896 and then, we also lived together, again, several times. 729 00:36:40,931 --> 00:36:42,344 -We lived in the same home. -[Janelle] In small spaces. 730 00:36:42,379 --> 00:36:43,931 For years we were in the same home. 731 00:36:43,965 --> 00:36:47,517 [Steve] Exactly, it's like, everybody just needs a little bit of space. 732 00:36:47,551 --> 00:36:51,517 In the very beginning all four of us lived in a three-bedroom mobile home. 733 00:36:54,551 --> 00:36:57,068 We were so idealistic, we thought we could 734 00:36:57,103 --> 00:36:59,000 do this, like, utopia family. 735 00:36:59,034 --> 00:37:00,724 Like, we thought we could make it all work. 736 00:37:05,172 --> 00:37:07,448 There was nothing but just this little thin paper wall 737 00:37:07,482 --> 00:37:10,137 so, I mean, there was a lot of things that just created conflict. 738 00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:14,344 [Christine] One little tiny kitchen, 739 00:37:14,379 --> 00:37:16,931 and it's a trailer with tissue paper walls. 740 00:37:19,344 --> 00:37:21,068 Just... no. 741 00:37:23,344 --> 00:37:26,827 It was not a good time. It was a very miserable time. 742 00:37:26,862 --> 00:37:28,827 Try to make it abundantly clear, I've had, uh, 743 00:37:28,862 --> 00:37:31,517 as little to do with polygamy as possible. 744 00:37:31,551 --> 00:37:33,034 I try to be respectful. 745 00:37:33,068 --> 00:37:36,620 It's just about everybody trying to find their path in life. It's, like, 746 00:37:36,655 --> 00:37:39,034 you know, we're all just on this adventure together. 747 00:37:39,068 --> 00:37:40,862 [Levi] By and large, it's like for me, no, 748 00:37:40,896 --> 00:37:43,379 I mean, it's... it's hard enough man and woman 749 00:37:43,413 --> 00:37:45,275 layering that on, as you guys are experienced, 750 00:37:45,310 --> 00:37:47,689 -I think this makes it even that much more difficult. -Yeah. 751 00:37:47,724 --> 00:37:49,310 [Christine] So, when you met Levi 752 00:37:49,344 --> 00:37:51,758 you were still thinking of kind of, maybe, sort of, 753 00:37:51,793 --> 00:37:53,310 possibly living in polygamy. 754 00:37:53,344 --> 00:37:54,724 Uh, I... I... I would-- 755 00:37:54,758 --> 00:37:56,620 -[Christine] Okay, okay. -No, no, no, no. 756 00:37:56,655 --> 00:37:58,413 [Christine] I was just... 757 00:37:58,448 --> 00:38:00,793 Oh! Okay. 758 00:38:00,827 --> 00:38:02,862 If he was, I had no idea. 759 00:38:02,896 --> 00:38:04,310 Okay, okay. 760 00:38:04,344 --> 00:38:06,241 He didn't tell me for about a year. 761 00:38:06,275 --> 00:38:08,344 And so, when I finally dropped the bomb, like, 762 00:38:08,379 --> 00:38:10,586 nine months later when she really liked me 763 00:38:10,620 --> 00:38:13,172 -it was devastating for her. -[Christine laughs] 764 00:38:13,206 --> 00:38:15,551 -It was? -Well, I was... 765 00:38:15,586 --> 00:38:18,793 I was scared he was gonna ask me to be one of. 766 00:38:18,827 --> 00:38:20,241 -Oh, no. -[Levi speaks indistinctly] 767 00:38:20,275 --> 00:38:23,517 -No, yeah. -I didn't know. Yeah, he... I didn't know he wasn't... 768 00:38:23,551 --> 00:38:26,310 planning on practicing polygamy at the time. 769 00:38:26,344 --> 00:38:30,344 [Steve] I think, from a lot of people's perspectives polygamy's done so much harm, 770 00:38:30,379 --> 00:38:34,448 so, I understand, now, like, why it was made illegal 771 00:38:34,482 --> 00:38:36,896 'cause they're trying to, you know, protect girls... 772 00:38:36,931 --> 00:38:38,000 -[Janelle] Right. Right. -...protect the women and 773 00:38:38,034 --> 00:38:39,517 that's definitely a good thing. 774 00:38:39,551 --> 00:38:43,103 Yeah, at the same time, I mean, we're in a whole new day and age where, 775 00:38:43,137 --> 00:38:45,655 you know, people need to be able to be open and 776 00:38:45,689 --> 00:38:47,517 be who they wanna be and 777 00:38:47,551 --> 00:38:49,586 you know, we need to recognize, 778 00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:51,310 you know, people for who they are. 779 00:38:51,344 --> 00:38:53,137 I think, and this will never happen 780 00:38:53,172 --> 00:38:55,344 but all you gotta do is give those women a legal marriage 781 00:38:55,379 --> 00:38:57,482 and then the husband can't... 'cause he'll... 782 00:38:57,517 --> 00:39:01,896 'Cause they can take and... they can divorce 'em and take part of his assets and... 783 00:39:01,931 --> 00:39:03,379 Yeah, there we go, right. 784 00:39:03,413 --> 00:39:04,931 -Yeah, exactly. -[Janelle] Like, honestly, 785 00:39:04,965 --> 00:39:07,655 if they were all legally married to him he'd really have to toe the line. 786 00:39:09,241 --> 00:39:11,827 In theory, a man can just ghost a wife. 787 00:39:11,862 --> 00:39:14,827 He can just stop coming over, he can stop 788 00:39:14,862 --> 00:39:17,413 paying any kind of support towards her household. 789 00:39:17,448 --> 00:39:19,413 He's no... he's not legally obligated 790 00:39:19,448 --> 00:39:21,482 and she can make no legal claim on him. 791 00:39:21,517 --> 00:39:23,896 She should have a claim on him, financially. 792 00:39:23,931 --> 00:39:26,241 They've been married. They've had children together. 793 00:39:26,275 --> 00:39:30,068 Maybe there's child support. Maybe there's alimony. Maybe there's... I don't know. 794 00:39:30,103 --> 00:39:33,655 I feel like it would be healthier all the way around if the women, 795 00:39:33,689 --> 00:39:36,206 and the men felt like they had options. 796 00:39:36,241 --> 00:39:37,758 It'd be a little harder to divorce, 797 00:39:37,793 --> 00:39:40,896 so, coming from what I've just had to deal with just leaving Kody, 798 00:39:40,931 --> 00:39:45,379 um, I can see that it would be awesome 799 00:39:45,413 --> 00:39:46,827 -to have the legal marriage... -[Janelle] It's never gonna happen. 800 00:39:46,862 --> 00:39:50,000 ...'cause then you are protected. You're 100% right. 801 00:39:50,034 --> 00:39:51,655 Do you know what she's talking about here? 802 00:39:51,689 --> 00:39:53,931 And what she's hinting at here? 803 00:39:53,965 --> 00:39:57,310 Basically, what Janelle is saying is 804 00:39:57,344 --> 00:39:59,793 if I would've had a legal marriage with Kody 805 00:39:59,827 --> 00:40:03,655 and if she would've had a legal marriage with Kody, and Meri too, 806 00:40:03,689 --> 00:40:06,379 that when it came down to leave 807 00:40:06,413 --> 00:40:08,655 it'd be also illegal divorce. 808 00:40:08,689 --> 00:40:11,896 Which would mean it would be a 50-50 split 809 00:40:11,931 --> 00:40:13,689 of everything. 810 00:40:13,724 --> 00:40:16,344 I'm sitting here because my finances are also 811 00:40:16,379 --> 00:40:18,827 mish-mashed right now with everybody's. 812 00:40:18,862 --> 00:40:20,689 That I'm, like, 813 00:40:20,724 --> 00:40:24,862 I... I'm having to fight hard to get my, 814 00:40:24,896 --> 00:40:26,448 my estate separated. 815 00:40:28,344 --> 00:40:30,241 I really feel strongly 816 00:40:30,275 --> 00:40:33,000 that women should all be empowered in plural marriage... 817 00:40:36,586 --> 00:40:39,482 with financial choices, with financial power, 818 00:40:39,517 --> 00:40:41,206 with claim on their husband's estates, 819 00:40:41,241 --> 00:40:44,965 because I think that would level the playing field like [whooshes] 820 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,241 So, if we were all legally married the courts would divide the assets 821 00:40:48,275 --> 00:40:50,068 based on the relationships. 822 00:40:52,896 --> 00:40:56,517 [Kody] My whole goal was to always have the wives each have their own assets. 823 00:40:56,551 --> 00:40:58,827 Janelle and Meri and Robyn and I 824 00:40:58,862 --> 00:41:02,103 each own 25% of Coyote Pass. 825 00:41:02,137 --> 00:41:04,620 Christine was able to sell her house and leave 826 00:41:04,655 --> 00:41:07,034 and start over again and do something different. 827 00:41:07,068 --> 00:41:10,275 And I have no idea if I'm even gonna get anything. 828 00:41:12,310 --> 00:41:14,586 [Meri] Janelle's name is on two of those pieces of property, 829 00:41:14,620 --> 00:41:15,793 mine is on one. 830 00:41:15,827 --> 00:41:18,517 And neither of us 831 00:41:18,551 --> 00:41:21,724 own that piece of property outright. 832 00:41:21,758 --> 00:41:25,448 Even with the conflict that we have in the family right now, 833 00:41:25,482 --> 00:41:29,068 I still believe that it's gonna be divided up 834 00:41:29,103 --> 00:41:31,689 equally and fairly between the four of us. 835 00:41:31,724 --> 00:41:35,482 If I could do anything I would be out there, like, knocking on the door, saying, 836 00:41:35,517 --> 00:41:37,448 "Get yourself financially independent!" 837 00:41:37,482 --> 00:41:39,793 'Cause then you have choices. 838 00:41:39,827 --> 00:41:42,379 And that's not something that a lot of women, 839 00:41:42,413 --> 00:41:46,034 for some reason, culturally, they don't... think about. 840 00:41:46,068 --> 00:41:48,689 One of the reasons she's still with Kody 841 00:41:48,724 --> 00:41:51,344 is because of this. 'Cause she has nothing in her name. 842 00:41:52,896 --> 00:41:54,862 [narrator] Next time on Sister Wives... 843 00:41:54,896 --> 00:41:57,034 [Kody] Our whole lives are being unwound. 844 00:41:57,068 --> 00:41:59,827 Nothing's like it was. Everything has changed. 845 00:41:59,862 --> 00:42:02,793 You know, we were raised in a culture where marriage is forever, right? 846 00:42:02,827 --> 00:42:05,206 Like, I'm still spiritually married to Kody. 847 00:42:05,241 --> 00:42:08,551 Like, I don't know how to get a divorce that way. 848 00:42:08,586 --> 00:42:12,586 According to our religion, sister wives are supposed to advocate for each other. 849 00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:15,517 I'm not gonna apologize for what I need to do. 850 00:42:15,551 --> 00:42:18,827 You want something that we can't have together. 851 00:42:18,862 --> 00:42:20,551 [sobs] 852 00:42:20,586 --> 00:42:24,482 Robyn came into our family, specifically, to live plural marriage. 853 00:42:24,517 --> 00:42:28,758 [sobbing] I wanted to sit on a porch 854 00:42:28,793 --> 00:42:31,103 with my sister wives. 855 00:42:31,137 --> 00:42:34,482 This appears to be the end of our plural marriage.