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[narrator]
Previously on Sister Wives...
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I don't care
to talk to Robyn anymore.
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And I'm not speaking
on behalf of the siblings,
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but this is what I think
all the siblings think.
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That this is us going,
"You know what, Robyn?
Have him.
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All right, we don't need
Dad anymore."
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This does not mean
I'm leaving the family.
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It really is purely
just a business thing.
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[Kody] Okay.
Good on you, Meri.
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It actually has
no effect on me.
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- Cheers.
- Happy ex...
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- Ex anniversary.
- [woman] Whoo!
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I'm a big fan of divorce,
I'm just saying. [laughing]
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If people are thinking
about it, I say go for it.
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Do it.
You're already miserable.
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[theme music playing]
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Christine and I were talking,
and we decided we would do
an Easter celebration.
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We're gonna dye some eggs
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and maybe do a little bit
of an Easter egg hunt.
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It will be fun.
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[Kody] Robyn and I aren't
really celebrating Easter.
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We're actually celebrating
Resurrection Sunday
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on Easter Sunday. [chuckles]
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Okay.
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But, yeah, things that are
going on in the family are...
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You know,
we see some family,
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we don't see other family.
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There's kinda been
a line in the sand
with the family,
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and some people
are crossing over
and some people aren't.
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We haven't celebrated Easter
since the kids were
really, really young.
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Kody decided a while...
Years and years and years ago
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that Easter was
just too pagan for him.
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So, when we put
our family together,
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we started out
with the whole Easter thing.
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And then as I got exposure
to more people
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and more people
who had interpretation
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of the scripture
and stuff like that,
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we started going,
"Wait a second. We shouldn't
be celebrating Easter.
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We should
be celebrating Passover."
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We were going through
kind of a transition
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almost the entire time
about Easter.
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Listen, there's no specific
polygamist dogmas or rules
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about how to celebrate Easter
or Christmas, for that matter.
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You know, I think
everybody does try
to keep it Christ-centered.
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As a family, we were
always evolving with
our religious traditions.
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We were always
trying to figure out
what was the most...
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holy way to celebrate things.
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In the end, I just really
personally felt like I was
more in line with God
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if I was just
celebrating Passover
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and recognizing
and celebrating
the resurrection.
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So we all agreed that
we wouldn't celebrate
Easter anymore.
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I was sad.
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I had a really hard time
with giving up Easter.
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When I was growing up,
we didn't celebrate Easter,
we didn't celebrate Passover.
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We really just
didn't do anything.
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It wasn't really
abnormal for me
to get rid of Easter.
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[Janelle] When Robyn
came into the family,
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all of a sudden, she's like,
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"Well, my kids
celebrate Easter,
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so I'll just go
to my mom's house
and celebrate."
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And, of course,
Kody didn't want her to leave.
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We sort of did this hybrid
Easter, Passover thing.
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But that was the compromise
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when we mashed
the two traditions together.
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But she had, certainly,
a lot of leverage,
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and there were
a lot of changes.
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And there were things
that got better, definitely,
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when Robyn came
into the family, yeah.
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[Robyn] In all reality,
when a new wife
comes into a family,
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there will be changes
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because that new wife
is now a part of the family.
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But I don't know why,
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you know,
why it was different.
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Maybe it was just new ideas.
I don't know.
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New thought processes.
I'm not sure.
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Maybe she had more leverage
just because Kody was
so in love with her.
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I don't know.
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I'm putting in little bit
of money and candy
in each of the eggs.
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And we're celebrating Easter.
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And I feel like it's an act
of rebellion and defiance.
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But honestly,
it's just an act
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out of creating
just different traditions.
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Part of the reason
I'm celebrating Easter
is because Kody said no.
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Everything that
I really wanted,
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I'm bringing back
into my life.
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And I decided I was
gonna celebrate Easter
from now on.
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- [woman 1] Sister.
- [woman 2] Sister!
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[Janelle] The last time
Christine and I were
together with the kids,
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we were at Garrison's house,
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and we had a really
tough conversation.
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It's nice to be here today
celebrating Easter,
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doing all these
really fun, easy things.
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[overlapping conversation]
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[Christine] The thing is,
is Janelle's also getting
into it.
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And I'm gonna tell you
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Janelle was actually
"team Easter is pagan."
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She was fine
with not doing Easter
a million years ago.
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But no, she's here.
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She's dyeing eyes,
she's getting into it.
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[clicks tongue] Oh, yeah,
it's a pretty magical holiday.
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If you can help...
You all can help yourself.
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- I'm gonna just cut the cake.
- It looks so beautiful.
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[woman] Mom,
literally, Aspyn's trying...
[indistinct]
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[Christine] Last time
I talked to Janelle, um,
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she's not ready
to end it with Kody.
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And so I don't know.
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I don't know where it stands
with Kody and Janelle.
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[woman 1]
This is delicious, sister.
Thank you.
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- It is really good.
- [woman 2] Yes, sister,
thank you.
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[Kody] We can fix things,
we can heal things,
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we can get
some of our family
back together.
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Most of it
back together maybe.
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But right now, because of
where everybody's at,
where I'm at,
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I have a life with Robyn
and her children.
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And right now,
that's really...
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I'm okay with that,
even though I hope
we can fix things
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and move things
to a different place.
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[woman 1] That is so cute.
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- [woman 2] Hi.
- [woman 1] We try... Uh, like,
we make 'em just stay still.
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- Oh.
- [both laugh]
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[Janelle] We need
to have traditions
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that carry this part
of the family forward.
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We need to continue traditions
or re-establish traditions
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that have meaning
for her children and mine
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so that there's an identity.
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- Good stuff.
- Let's do Easter stuff.
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Yeah, let's clean up.
Everybody, help clean up
the table a bit.
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[Kody] An identity
without their dad,
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this is exactly what Christine
and Janelle's plan is,
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to separate me
from my children
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so they can have
them all to themselves.
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[Christine] Everybody gets
five colored eggs
and five boiled eggs.
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- And--
- [Mitch] By "colored,"
she means plastic.
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Look, I think it's really fun
to have the traditions,
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regardless of how old you are.
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You know, come on,
let's be real.
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[woman 1] Yup.
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[woman 2] Okay, let everyone
find easy ones, please.
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Wait, Truely,
did you get all yours?
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[laughing] Oh, no.
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[Christine] Mitch is not
giving clues away, Aspyn.
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- [woman 2] And I picked
the mint for you.
- [woman 1] She doesn't
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like grass.
Another one.
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It is the money,
let's be honest with you.
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The reason why they're all
down with this is because
there's money in the eggs.
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[indistinct conversation]
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- Oh, my God!
- Whoa!
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- [woman 1] Whoo!
- [woman 2] Bravo!
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[overlapping conversation]
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[woman 3]
We're gonna keep him.
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Doesn't he have
a unicycle, too?
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[Christine]
When we moved to Flagstaff,
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things became
very, very difficult.
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Family gatherings were hard.
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There was just
so much tension in the air.
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So for this,
there's no tension.
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We're just, um, glad
to be around each other
and with each other.
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And it feels like
a real holiday
should feel like,
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rather than having
tension in the air.
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[Robyn] Every single time
I start thinking about
planning for a holiday,
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I go through
this process of mourning.
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It literally hurts my heart
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when I think about the fact
that we're not doing
these things together.
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[Meri] This year, for Easter,
like, I...
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It was just
a regular Sunday for me.
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I just stayed home and...
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Kody and Robyn didn't
invite me over for anything.
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I wasn't gonna
invite myself over.
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And I was happy
just being at my house,
doing my thing.
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[woman] Putting money
in 'em was, like, yeah,
the best...
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You didn't have
to buy any toy.
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[Janelle] Wow.
All fives and tens.
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It's definitely
a different holiday,
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but I'm not really
missing Kody.
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I'm not missing
Robyn and Meri.
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Um, I'm finding
a lot of peace.
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Maybe the most peace
I've felt in a long time
at this holiday.
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[indistinct conversation]
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In recent years,
there has been a lot of,
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uh, dare I say, drama.
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[Kody] I don't know
what to do with a marriage
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that's supposed
to be eternal
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but doesn't have any fire.
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He just went through
one divorce.
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Is he concerned
about another one?
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[Meri] Oh, my goodness.
We're in Parowan, Utah.
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We cleaned out
this space here. See.
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It's kind of amazing.
We did a lot of stuff.
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It's all over
at the storage unit.
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So we're out
in the carriage house
at the B and B.
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This is the space
that I'm gonna be doing
my remodel.
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I'm so excited!
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I'm so excited. Okay.
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So, the other day...
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Hi, I'm Meri,
this is just Jenn.
[chuckles] Sorry.
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So, Jenn is my best friend.
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She and I have
known each other
for, like, ten years.
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- Um--
- Do you think
that a phone call
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is more important this this?
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Excuse me.
I'm talking to our contractor.
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Oh, hey, contractor.
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Are you for real?
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[both laughing]
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It's just
a really good relationship.
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She's very supportive
in everything I do,
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very defensive of me.
It's just good.
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So, basically,
what we're doing in here
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is making a cute little
clothing boutique.
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- [Jenn] It's gonna be--
- To sell my clothes.
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It's gonna be just like...
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This is the point of me
moving my business up here.
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So that I can have
Jenn help me.
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Once this carriage house
remodel is finished,
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I'm gonna be moving
all my clothes
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for my online
boutique up here.
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And then I will be here
a little bit more often.
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So we thought,
"Well, we're just gonna
make it really cute out here."
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So I'm excited.
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Okay. So you said flooring.
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- Oh, flooring.
- Baseboards.
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Doesn't that
automatically go
with flooring?
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I'm excited
about the baseboards.
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There have been times
throughout the years
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that I've had
a good relationship like this,
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that I have with Jenn,
with different members
of my family.
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I've had that
with Christine before.
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I've had it with Robyn.
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Like, we've been
very, very close.
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Although it's a little bit
more serious.
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Everything is, like, just
very serious in our family
and very...
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Like, what is happening with
the different relationships,
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who likes who,
who wants to get rid of who.
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I don't allow myself
to just, really, let loose
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and just have a lot of fun
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because I don't
have that trust.
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You know, Jenn and I
have that trust
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with each other
that we can do that.
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Like, I don't have that
with other members
of my family.
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[Kody] I feel like Meri
and I've had a reasonably
amiable relationship.
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It's distant.
I don't see her very often.
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I don't know what to do
with a marriage
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that's supposed to be eternal
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but doesn't have any fire.
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If Meri just sticks around
long enough
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and we get through
what's going on
with Christine,
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and even, you know,
Kody and Janelle figure out
whatever they're gonna do,
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and he can get through
all of his anger
249
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and his emotions
about everything,
250
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that they will have
a chance to work it out.
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Also, Jenn's husband
washed my car today.
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It is so pretty.
253
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He keeps complaining
about all the bugs
that are on the front of it.
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And I'm like,
"Dude, don't you know
that I drive lots of miles
255
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and there's lots of bugs?"
256
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- And never wash your car.
- I do sometimes.
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Her husband
is awesome with me.
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He's very supportive
of our relationship.
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Um, and he does things for me,
like, washes my car.
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And, like, he does,
like, these little things
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that a guy normally
would do for his wife.
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And he does it for his wife,
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and, by default, he does it
for her best friend, too.
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It's kind of cool.
Don't go weird.
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He and I have
a very platonic relationship.
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[laughs]
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I felt really good
about this decision.
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The idea of not having
to travel quite so much
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and being able
to really stay on top
of both businesses
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a little bit more is...
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Like, it makes me happy.
272
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Like, this is a good
decision for me.
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In recent years,
there has been a lot of,
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uh, dare I say, drama
in our family.
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You know what I mean?
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I have a really good life.
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I have a lot
of things going on,
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and I have a lot
of things on my plate.
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[Robyn]
I'm always torn between
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just looking at her
and saying...
281
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[voice quivering]
"Go find your happiness..."
282
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and saying, "Please,
figure it out with us here."
283
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[Meri] And it's only
five hours away.
284
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And I'm there
half of the time anyway.
285
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When I told Robyn about it,
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she's been very supportive
of, like, "Don't leave.
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[laughs] Stick around.
Let's do this thing
together," you know?
288
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And I am, too.
Like, that's exactly
where I am with it.
289
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When I told Kody,
he reacted exactly like
I thought that he would.
290
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I don't want you to think
that I'm walking away,
291
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because sorry,
I still have hope.
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[Kody] I'm fine with Meri
moving her business
to Parowan.
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I don't think she's got
a fulfilling life
here in Flagstaff.
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I really was hoping
that he would react
a little bit more
295
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with, like, you know,
the realization, I guess,
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that I'm gonna be
physically further away.
297
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It's gonna be harder
to figure out...
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healing a relationship,
healing a marriage.
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And that's what
I wanna do here.
300
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You know, like,
he just went through
one divorce.
301
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Is he concerned
about another one?
302
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- [Ariella] Meri!
- Hi.
303
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It's important to Meri
to have a relationship
with my kids.
304
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I'd rather be up in Utah
with you guys.
305
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- It's way better in Utah.
- [Janelle chuckling]
306
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Look, I don't anticipate
ever spending a holiday
with Kody probably again.
307
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[Kody] My whole life
seems to center around
mine and Robyn's household.
308
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She was in the way up
for a second.
309
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Robyn is still saying,
"Fix that relationship
with Meri,
310
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and fix that relationship
with your kids,
311
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and fix that relationship
with Janelle."
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And I'm like, "Well, listen,
when I'm around them,
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its... There's no flicker,
there's no flame.
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I don't know what to do here."
315
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So it's been weird.
Because I'm married
to the love of my life.
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I've got these
other situations
317
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at different levels
of discord,
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and it's hard to reconcile.
319
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And we just got
all this angst in our lives.
320
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Janelle and I...
321
00:17:20,758 --> 00:17:22,655
Listen, she doesn't
wanna reconcile.
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So we see each other
once in a while.
323
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We talk on the phone...
324
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once in a while.
325
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I do believe
we could reconcile.
326
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I do believe that
it would require
Christine and Janelle
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to sort of...
328
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Like, "Ah, it's been nice
hanging out a lot."
329
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I just... Christine has
so much influence
over Janelle.
330
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I just... Uh, I just
think it's pathetic.
331
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So I don't wanna
say anything to Janelle
332
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because I'm afraid
Christine will find out
about it
333
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and the kids will
find out about it.
334
00:17:52,241 --> 00:17:54,206
It's like I just don't
wanna talk about me.
335
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[Christine] It's been a while
since we had Easter
at my house.
336
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And I'm excited
to go to Flagstaff
and have...
337
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Like, host a dinner.
338
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So I'm so excited to get
a little short-term rental
339
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and make dinner for everybody
and cook.
340
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It's been a bit.
341
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I think it's Gabe and Garrison
couldn't come to Easter,
342
00:18:17,793 --> 00:18:20,517
uh, so we're gonna
see them, too.
343
00:18:20,517 --> 00:18:21,586
[Gabriel] I was
just downstairs.
344
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- [woman] Oh, God,
I gotta pick up--
- Savannah!
345
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[Janelle] You know, I always
enjoy when we have a minute
to have a meal together
346
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'cause it feels
a little bit more...
347
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Like everything's okay.
348
00:18:31,068 --> 00:18:34,482
Everything's...
There's continuity.
349
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- You're welcome.
- This is really good.
350
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I'll soon be a proud member
of the clean plate club.
351
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I haven't had, like,
homemade lasagna
352
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- in a long time.
- Is there any more?
353
00:18:42,275 --> 00:18:44,551
- No. That is all of it.
- [Garrison] So true.
354
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I'm so sorry.
355
00:18:46,482 --> 00:18:48,206
I did not want leftovers.
356
00:18:48,206 --> 00:18:50,827
[Janelle] I thought
about Thanksgiving.
357
00:18:50,827 --> 00:18:52,413
- That's quite
a long time away...
- [Christine] That's okay.
358
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- You wanna up?
- ...but I thought
about Thanksgiving. Yeah.
359
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You guys will come
for Thanksgiving
to my house?
360
00:18:55,965 --> 00:18:57,724
- Yes.
- [Christine] Yay!
361
00:18:57,724 --> 00:18:58,931
- Cook it.
- I think so, right?
362
00:18:58,931 --> 00:19:00,793
I know Logan, um,
was thinking about
363
00:19:00,793 --> 00:19:03,413
- having us for the holidays.
- [Christine] Mm-hmm.
364
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So this year, you think
it might be the same
as far as Thanksgiving goes?
365
00:19:06,862 --> 00:19:07,965
As last year,
366
00:19:07,965 --> 00:19:09,896
all separate again?
367
00:19:09,896 --> 00:19:12,068
- Oh, you mean from
Kody and Robyn and Meri?
- Uh-huh.
368
00:19:12,068 --> 00:19:13,344
Yeah.
369
00:19:13,344 --> 00:19:15,896
It's July, but Christine and I
are talking about the holidays
370
00:19:15,896 --> 00:19:17,793
'cause are kids
are all over the place.
371
00:19:17,793 --> 00:19:19,206
There's a lot
of moving pieces.
372
00:19:19,206 --> 00:19:21,586
So we have to start
making a plan now.
373
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I'd rather be up in Utah
with you guys.
374
00:19:24,931 --> 00:19:26,655
- It's way better in Utah.
- [Janelle laughing]
375
00:19:26,655 --> 00:19:31,068
Look, I don't anticipate
ever spending a holiday
with Kody probably again.
376
00:19:31,068 --> 00:19:32,862
It'll depend on what
you guys wanna do.
377
00:19:32,862 --> 00:19:35,586
If you guys wanna stay
for Christmas, then we can.
378
00:19:35,586 --> 00:19:38,000
Why would we stay here
in Flagstaff for Christmas?
379
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,586
That'll be so boring.
380
00:19:40,586 --> 00:19:43,551
I think Garrison hurts.
Garrison hurts.
381
00:19:43,551 --> 00:19:45,551
Um, he used to have
a great relationship
with Kody.
382
00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:48,379
And Gabe had a great
relationship with Kody.
383
00:19:49,275 --> 00:19:52,862
It is so sad
what it's like now.
384
00:19:52,862 --> 00:19:55,931
Janelle became compliant
with Gabriel and Garrison,
385
00:19:55,931 --> 00:19:57,758
and this wrecked
our relationship.
386
00:19:57,758 --> 00:19:59,620
I did nothing
to Gabriel and Garrison
387
00:19:59,620 --> 00:20:01,103
but try to make
them accountable.
388
00:20:01,896 --> 00:20:03,241
And accountability
is something
389
00:20:03,241 --> 00:20:06,000
that Janelle and Christine
do not know anything about.
390
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,965
I was talking about
I could have my house
as common ground
391
00:20:08,965 --> 00:20:11,655
and everyone could come
and have peace there,
392
00:20:11,655 --> 00:20:14,241
but I don't think
that's gonna happen.
393
00:20:14,241 --> 00:20:16,482
Oh. You mean, like,
did you say that to Dad?
394
00:20:16,482 --> 00:20:18,206
I was thinking about it.
395
00:20:18,206 --> 00:20:19,931
I mentioned it to Dad
a while ago.
396
00:20:20,862 --> 00:20:22,655
But it was a no.
397
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:23,655
So...
398
00:20:26,827 --> 00:20:28,137
Here's the problem.
399
00:20:28,137 --> 00:20:29,827
Kody's very much like,
"I have a house,
they can come to me,"
400
00:20:29,827 --> 00:20:34,827
meaning Robyn's house,
and I just don't see that Kody
would ever take up that offer.
401
00:20:34,827 --> 00:20:39,413
Absolutely. I have a house.
They can come to my house.
402
00:20:39,413 --> 00:20:42,241
I got real loyalty here
at my home.
403
00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:44,103
You guy can come over here.
404
00:20:44,103 --> 00:20:46,793
I think it's okay.
I think we're gonna have
a great holiday season.
405
00:20:46,793 --> 00:20:49,275
- Yeah, I think so, too.
- [Janelle] I mean, gosh,
it's still a long time away.
406
00:20:49,275 --> 00:20:50,793
I mean, it is.
407
00:20:50,793 --> 00:20:52,724
I'm still trying to figure out
how I'm gonna do summer.
408
00:20:55,068 --> 00:20:56,586
[Janelle] I just don't foresee
that this family
409
00:20:56,586 --> 00:20:58,344
is ever gonna knit itself
back together again,
410
00:20:58,344 --> 00:21:01,344
and that's what would
be required to spend
the holidays together.
411
00:21:01,344 --> 00:21:04,586
But I think Thanksgiving,
I don't know what else
I'll be doing.
412
00:21:04,586 --> 00:21:06,241
- Don't you think
Thanksgiving would be fun?
- Thanksgiving sounds good.
413
00:21:06,241 --> 00:21:07,620
- Let's do it.
- [Janelle] Yeah.
414
00:21:12,413 --> 00:21:17,000
[Christine]
It's tough to sit here
and have everybody over,
415
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,275
knowing that it's not over
for everybody that's over,
416
00:21:19,275 --> 00:21:21,689
it's just Janelle
and her kids.
417
00:21:21,689 --> 00:21:25,931
And the last time
I saw Meri was at Ysabel's
graduation party.
418
00:21:25,931 --> 00:21:30,482
Last time I saw Robyn
was in Flagstaff that day
before I moved.
419
00:21:30,482 --> 00:21:37,068
You know, I haven't
seen Meri or Robyn
for about six months.
420
00:21:37,068 --> 00:21:39,586
Haven't run into them,
haven't seen them.
421
00:21:40,551 --> 00:21:41,862
Yeah.
422
00:21:56,862 --> 00:21:59,655
- [Ariella] Meri!
- [Meri] Hi!
423
00:21:59,655 --> 00:22:03,724
[Robyn] Meri and I, uh,
have been trying to get
together just to hang out.
424
00:22:03,724 --> 00:22:05,068
It's a nice spring day.
425
00:22:05,068 --> 00:22:07,344
Play and hang out
and spend some time together.
426
00:22:07,344 --> 00:22:08,758
You were waving for me?
427
00:22:08,758 --> 00:22:10,275
- Yeah.
- Well...
428
00:22:10,275 --> 00:22:14,137
Robyn's kids have always been
very excited to see me.
429
00:22:14,137 --> 00:22:16,172
I've got a really good
relationship with them.
430
00:22:16,172 --> 00:22:19,448
- I'm so happy that you came.
- Me, too.
431
00:22:19,448 --> 00:22:22,689
Your mom and I
promised that we would
figure out a time.
432
00:22:22,689 --> 00:22:23,724
They just love me.
433
00:22:23,724 --> 00:22:25,379
They just love unconditionally,
434
00:22:25,379 --> 00:22:29,379
and it's just really fun
to hang out with people
who feel like that about me.
435
00:22:30,137 --> 00:22:32,103
- Hi, Meri.
- [Meri] Hi.
436
00:22:32,103 --> 00:22:34,931
It's important to Meri
to have a relationship
with my kids.
437
00:22:35,758 --> 00:22:39,034
Yay! We're here!
438
00:22:39,034 --> 00:22:42,551
And the older kids
have a lot of love
and respect for her
439
00:22:42,551 --> 00:22:45,586
because of the whole thing
where she gave up
her legal marriage
440
00:22:45,586 --> 00:22:46,655
so they could get adopted.
441
00:22:46,655 --> 00:22:48,034
That was a big deal to them.
442
00:22:48,034 --> 00:22:49,827
[Ariella] Do you
have the dogs?
443
00:22:49,827 --> 00:22:52,137
- [Meri] I don't.
- [Ariella groans]
444
00:22:52,137 --> 00:22:54,000
Ari is six and Solomon is ten.
445
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,620
Ari is definitely
more like Kody,
she's just a lot of fun.
446
00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:01,517
Solomon is more like me,
he's kind of quieter.
447
00:23:01,517 --> 00:23:03,241
He's more of an introvert.
448
00:23:03,241 --> 00:23:07,137
- Hold on tight!
- [Ariella screaming]
449
00:23:07,137 --> 00:23:10,275
- [Meri] Is that fun?
- [Ariella] I'm having fun!
450
00:23:10,275 --> 00:23:12,034
- [Solomon] Can I
have a turn, Mom?
- [Robyn] Yeah, in a minute.
451
00:23:14,517 --> 00:23:17,103
[Meri] Even though Kody and I
don't have the relationship
452
00:23:17,103 --> 00:23:19,586
that I want with him
right now, I still have this.
453
00:23:19,586 --> 00:23:23,620
You know, so I'm not, like,
gonna just walk away
454
00:23:23,620 --> 00:23:27,482
from this type
of experience, you know,
455
00:23:27,482 --> 00:23:29,758
because that is still
very important to me.
456
00:23:29,758 --> 00:23:31,551
- [Meri] One more time.
- [Solomon and Meri] Whoa!
457
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:36,551
[Christine] Yeah,
it wasn't a romantic date
with your husband.
458
00:23:36,551 --> 00:23:37,310
No.
459
00:23:38,241 --> 00:23:39,310
It wasn't like
I was really there
460
00:23:39,310 --> 00:23:40,310
with my husband or something.
461
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:41,724
And then he dropped you off
and he went home.
462
00:23:41,724 --> 00:23:43,034
Yep.
463
00:23:43,034 --> 00:23:44,137
And I haven't heard from him,
464
00:23:44,137 --> 00:23:46,103
I guess it's been
almost two weeks.
465
00:23:46,103 --> 00:23:48,034
Call like it is
and get out of Flagstaff.
466
00:23:48,034 --> 00:23:50,034
Sorry, I just...
This is just sad.
467
00:23:58,517 --> 00:23:59,931
[Christine] Okay, have fun.
I love you.
468
00:23:59,931 --> 00:24:02,655
- [kid 1] All right,
I love you too.
- Don't cause problems!
469
00:24:02,655 --> 00:24:04,448
[kid 2] We shouldn't
cause problems?
470
00:24:04,448 --> 00:24:07,275
Christine and I always like
to kind of have a conversation
away from the kids
471
00:24:07,275 --> 00:24:08,586
whenever she's in town.
472
00:24:08,586 --> 00:24:09,931
[Janelle chuckles]
473
00:24:09,931 --> 00:24:11,103
[Christine]
This place is cool.
474
00:24:11,103 --> 00:24:12,827
- Four levels,
it's kind of awesome.
- [Janelle] Yeah.
475
00:24:12,827 --> 00:24:14,758
[Christine] I'm gonna
just talk with her alone.
476
00:24:14,758 --> 00:24:17,344
I just wanna make
sure she's okay.
I just want her happy.
477
00:24:18,379 --> 00:24:20,586
If I overstep
and ask too much,
478
00:24:20,586 --> 00:24:23,206
Janelle will shut down
and the conversation
will be over.
479
00:24:23,206 --> 00:24:26,724
I don't wanna do that
'cause I'm very curious.
480
00:24:26,724 --> 00:24:28,000
We've been here
for about a week.
481
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,862
We had a lot
of other things going on.
482
00:24:29,862 --> 00:24:31,655
So we just opted
to stay here for a week.
483
00:24:31,655 --> 00:24:32,586
Did Kody come over at all?
484
00:24:34,172 --> 00:24:35,689
No.
485
00:24:35,689 --> 00:24:37,206
When you lived
out there on the property,
486
00:24:37,206 --> 00:24:39,655
did you see him more
than you see him now?
I mean, for sure?
487
00:24:39,655 --> 00:24:43,620
Um, he came over kind of
on his normal schedule.
488
00:24:43,620 --> 00:24:46,793
But, you know, he never came
till 7:00. 6:30, 7:00.
489
00:24:46,793 --> 00:24:48,689
And then he would always
have to leave in the morning
490
00:24:48,689 --> 00:24:50,586
to help get Sol and Ari
ready for school.
491
00:24:53,413 --> 00:24:57,000
I'm gonna say
I don't remember a time ever
492
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:02,068
where Kody left Robyn's house
to come over to my house
493
00:25:02,068 --> 00:25:04,758
to help get my kids
off to school.
494
00:25:04,758 --> 00:25:07,862
I just think it's disgusting
you would leave
one wife's home
495
00:25:07,862 --> 00:25:11,379
to go help
the other wife's kids
get ready for school.
496
00:25:11,379 --> 00:25:15,724
What... Can't she help
get her kids ready for school
when he's not there
497
00:25:15,724 --> 00:25:20,103
so he can spend more time
with the wife where he's at?
498
00:25:20,103 --> 00:25:23,517
[indistinct] Logan was getting
my kids ready to go out
the door to school.
499
00:25:23,517 --> 00:25:26,620
I don't know where Kody was.
500
00:25:26,620 --> 00:25:29,965
I was actually taking
Ariella and Solomon
to school because I liked it.
501
00:25:29,965 --> 00:25:34,517
We were just working so hard
to make ends meet before.
502
00:25:34,517 --> 00:25:37,310
And now that I have
a chance to do this
with Solomon and Ari,
503
00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:41,344
it's like this second chance.
504
00:25:41,344 --> 00:25:44,379
But Robyn
never asked me to do it.
505
00:25:44,379 --> 00:25:48,344
I'd be like, "Well, I think
it's gonna create problems."
506
00:25:48,344 --> 00:25:49,620
When I would
bring it up to him,
507
00:25:49,620 --> 00:25:52,689
he was just like,
"Stop it, like, this is
what I wanna do."
508
00:25:52,689 --> 00:25:55,068
I'm trying of being blamed
for the bad sister wife.
509
00:25:55,068 --> 00:25:59,000
A bad sister wife is someone
who just monopolizes
the husband
510
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,241
so he has no time
for anybody else.
511
00:26:01,241 --> 00:26:05,448
A bad sister wife
takes her kids away
from her husband.
512
00:26:05,448 --> 00:26:07,413
And that's exactly
what Christine has done.
513
00:26:08,448 --> 00:26:09,793
Robyn's not guilty of that.
514
00:26:10,965 --> 00:26:13,655
Robyn's just loyal
and Christine just wasn't.
515
00:26:17,068 --> 00:26:19,068
I'm struggling a little bit
'cause I don't miss him.
516
00:26:19,068 --> 00:26:21,206
But your birthday was fine?
You guys stayed amiable--
517
00:26:21,206 --> 00:26:23,724
[Janelle] Yeah, it was great.
It was a really fun evening.
Totally fun.
518
00:26:23,724 --> 00:26:26,034
- Oh, good. 'Cause he can
be fun. He really can be.
- [Janelle] Yeah. Yeah,
519
00:26:26,034 --> 00:26:27,413
and it was easy.
520
00:26:27,413 --> 00:26:29,965
But it was like
being out with my friend.
Do you know what I mean?
521
00:26:29,965 --> 00:26:32,517
[Christine] Yeah,
it wasn't a romantic date
with your husband.
522
00:26:32,517 --> 00:26:34,172
No.
523
00:26:34,172 --> 00:26:36,206
It wasn't like I was really
there with my husband
or something.
524
00:26:36,206 --> 00:26:38,965
- And then he dropped you off
and he went home.
- Yep.
525
00:26:38,965 --> 00:26:41,172
And I haven't heard from him,
I guess it's almost been
two weeks.
526
00:26:43,724 --> 00:26:45,655
After Kody and I
finished dinner
527
00:26:45,655 --> 00:26:48,310
and we drove back home
and he dropped me off
at my apartment,
528
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:49,620
I didn't want him to come in.
529
00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:52,517
And I was really happy
to just be like,
"Hey, see you",
530
00:26:52,517 --> 00:26:56,827
as he drove away
to Robyn's house,
and I went into my apartment.
531
00:26:56,827 --> 00:27:01,310
The more I hear her,
the more I'm just
so sad for her,
532
00:27:01,310 --> 00:27:02,448
to be honest with you.
533
00:27:02,448 --> 00:27:05,482
She's my friend.
She's my friend.
534
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:07,862
And I wanna see her happy,
535
00:27:07,862 --> 00:27:13,517
not living this life
where her husband
takes her out for her birthday
536
00:27:13,517 --> 00:27:18,137
and then drops her off at home
and goes to his wife.
537
00:27:18,137 --> 00:27:21,241
And then he hasn't talked
to her for two weeks.
538
00:27:22,862 --> 00:27:24,724
Call like it is
and get out of Flagstaff.
539
00:27:24,724 --> 00:27:26,620
Sorry, I just...
This is just sad.
540
00:27:28,206 --> 00:27:29,793
I'm sitting here
with Christine
541
00:27:29,793 --> 00:27:31,620
and it feels like
everything I'm saying,
542
00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:33,965
she's like, "Oh, poor you.
Poor you."
543
00:27:33,965 --> 00:27:35,310
Or she's kinda giving
that impression,
544
00:27:35,310 --> 00:27:37,068
I'm like, "No, no. I'm fine."
545
00:27:37,068 --> 00:27:40,172
We are not reconciling,
I'm not hoping
he's coming around,
546
00:27:40,172 --> 00:27:42,689
I'm not gonna settle
for less than I deserve.
547
00:27:42,689 --> 00:27:45,137
And it's just wild to me
that I keep getting this vibe
548
00:27:45,137 --> 00:27:48,172
from Christine that,
"Oh, you deserve more."
549
00:27:48,172 --> 00:27:50,620
I'm like,
"Yes, of course, I do,
and I'm taking it for myself.
550
00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:52,206
I'm doing more."
551
00:27:52,206 --> 00:27:58,241
Remember forever ago,
I talked about doing
family vacations all together?
552
00:27:58,241 --> 00:28:00,413
- I think something like that--
- Like a reunion.
A family reunion.
553
00:28:00,413 --> 00:28:02,793
Yeah. I mean, maybe,
someday something like
that would be great.
554
00:28:02,793 --> 00:28:05,103
I could do that
with everybody,
with Robyn and Meri, too.
555
00:28:05,103 --> 00:28:06,896
- Yeah, yeah.
- I could do a family reunion--
556
00:28:06,896 --> 00:28:09,034
I guess I just don't
wanna go spend
a holiday or something.
557
00:28:09,034 --> 00:28:10,827
But I would do a family
reunion once a year
if they wanted to.
558
00:28:10,827 --> 00:28:12,551
[Janelle] Yes, okay.
So I need to amend
what I said.
559
00:28:12,551 --> 00:28:14,724
It's not that I don't ever
wanna see 'em together
or see 'em again...
560
00:28:14,724 --> 00:28:17,379
- Right.
- ...but it's just that I don't
really have any desire
561
00:28:17,379 --> 00:28:20,103
to go seek them out.
562
00:28:20,103 --> 00:28:24,724
Yeah, I think I would be
open to doing some sort
of family reunion thing.
563
00:28:24,724 --> 00:28:28,413
I don't think it would be
too incredibly awkward.
564
00:28:28,413 --> 00:28:31,448
I would do
a family reunion again
just to get the kids together.
565
00:28:31,448 --> 00:28:32,896
Absolutely.
566
00:28:32,896 --> 00:28:36,551
I wouldn't have
great conversations
with Meri or Robyn or Kody.
567
00:28:36,551 --> 00:28:38,758
I feel like
doing something like that
568
00:28:38,758 --> 00:28:41,206
when things aren't resolved
and worked through,
569
00:28:41,206 --> 00:28:43,448
it's just asking
for trouble and fights.
570
00:28:43,448 --> 00:28:47,482
After the trash-talking
that Christine has done on me,
571
00:28:47,482 --> 00:28:51,517
I would never want to do
a family reunion with her
at this point.
572
00:28:51,517 --> 00:28:53,068
I mean, I really don't...
573
00:28:53,068 --> 00:28:56,965
I don't really care
if I interact with Robyn
and Meri from here forward.
574
00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:11,379
So, Aurora's talking to a boy.
575
00:29:11,379 --> 00:29:13,448
[Meri] Whoo-hoo! What are you
talking to him about?
576
00:29:13,448 --> 00:29:14,482
- [Meri and Robyn laughing]
- Um...
577
00:29:15,896 --> 00:29:18,275
[Robyn] Aurora
is 20 years old.
578
00:29:18,275 --> 00:29:23,793
She's just visiting,
that's all, with a guy.
579
00:29:25,827 --> 00:29:28,137
No serious dating,
just, like, talking
580
00:29:28,137 --> 00:29:35,275
and, you know, kind of seeing
each other here and there,
and, um, yeah.
581
00:29:35,275 --> 00:29:37,689
And he seems like a nice guy.
I'm okay with him.
582
00:29:37,689 --> 00:29:39,758
I just have to put on
the intimidation face.
583
00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:44,137
- We've been talking
about movies.
- Sci-Fi Movies?
584
00:29:44,137 --> 00:29:46,827
- [Robyn clears throat]
- Yes, space.
585
00:29:46,827 --> 00:29:48,413
So all you do is talk?
586
00:29:50,517 --> 00:29:52,000
Sorry, should we stop
talking about this? [laughs]
587
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,482
[Meri] No, I don't mind
talking about it.
588
00:29:54,482 --> 00:29:58,241
- [all laughing]
- [Robyn] I mean Aurora.
589
00:29:58,241 --> 00:30:00,620
I'm sure you don't mind.
590
00:30:00,620 --> 00:30:02,000
Tell me all the things.
591
00:30:03,586 --> 00:30:05,344
I don't mind. This is fun.
592
00:30:05,344 --> 00:30:07,172
This is a good
conversation for me.
593
00:30:07,172 --> 00:30:11,310
I'm not quite sure
how Aurora's feeling about it,
but I'm enjoying it.
594
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:14,172
He is from a different state
and he came here to college.
595
00:30:14,172 --> 00:30:15,724
So you met him at college?
596
00:30:15,724 --> 00:30:17,068
- Yes.
- [Meri] Got it.
597
00:30:17,068 --> 00:30:18,448
I have met this boy.
598
00:30:19,551 --> 00:30:21,241
He seems like a nice kid.
599
00:30:21,241 --> 00:30:23,034
- That's funny.
- [Robyn] Hey, sis.
600
00:30:23,034 --> 00:30:26,379
I'm just glad I have makeup on
so you guys can't really
see me blush too bad.
601
00:30:26,379 --> 00:30:29,655
[laughs] It's fine.
602
00:30:29,655 --> 00:30:34,758
She's a good girl
and she's got kind of
old-fashioned values.
603
00:30:34,758 --> 00:30:37,586
You know, as her parent,
I like that. [laughs]
604
00:30:37,586 --> 00:30:40,862
I was married by the time
I was your age. [laughs]
605
00:30:40,862 --> 00:30:43,068
- [Aurora] Yeah.
- I know. I tell the kids that.
606
00:30:43,068 --> 00:30:46,344
Sometimes I'm like,
"Hey, this is... At your age,
I was married.
607
00:30:46,344 --> 00:30:50,034
- Your age, I was having
you know, first baby."
- [Meri] Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
608
00:30:50,034 --> 00:30:51,931
- And they're like... [gasping]
- [Meri] Yeah.
609
00:30:51,931 --> 00:30:54,103
Yep, I was married
when I was 19.
610
00:30:57,586 --> 00:30:59,689
I had been 19
for three months
611
00:30:59,689 --> 00:31:02,586
and he had been 22
for three months.
612
00:31:02,586 --> 00:31:04,413
We were babies.
613
00:31:04,413 --> 00:31:05,896
- How old are you?
- Twenty.
614
00:31:05,896 --> 00:31:06,827
Yeah.
615
00:31:06,827 --> 00:31:07,724
[Robyn] Yeah,
I didn't have one then.
616
00:31:07,724 --> 00:31:10,000
I had been married
for a year. [laughs]
617
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,896
I wonder now if this
really bothers Kody,
to be honest with you.
618
00:31:13,896 --> 00:31:18,517
But I used to say very often
that I never regretted
marrying him,
619
00:31:18,517 --> 00:31:24,931
I regretted not taking
more time to get to know
who I was.
620
00:31:31,137 --> 00:31:36,275
We were married
six months almost to the day
from the time that we met.
621
00:31:38,241 --> 00:31:42,689
So now, looking at Aurora,
and I'm like, "You barely
are a grown-up.
622
00:31:42,689 --> 00:31:45,586
You know, you're in college
and you're doing
all the college things."
623
00:31:45,586 --> 00:31:46,931
Which I never did.
624
00:31:46,931 --> 00:31:49,896
It's so young,
when you think about it,
considering our kids.
625
00:31:49,896 --> 00:31:52,068
- Like--
- Way too young.
626
00:31:52,068 --> 00:31:54,241
- Please go on.
- [Aurora] I don't really
want to right now.
627
00:31:54,241 --> 00:31:55,689
Yeah, you got
other things to do.
628
00:31:55,689 --> 00:31:56,896
I'm good with flirting.
629
00:31:56,896 --> 00:31:58,931
- [Meri] Yeah,
do you want me--
- Not much more.
630
00:31:58,931 --> 00:32:00,172
[Meri] I'll bring it out.
631
00:32:00,172 --> 00:32:02,413
- I mean, flirting is fun, too.
- [Robyn] Yeah.
632
00:32:02,413 --> 00:32:06,241
Yes, flirting is fun. [laughs]
633
00:32:06,241 --> 00:32:08,862
Kody used to always talk
about me being a flirt.
634
00:32:08,862 --> 00:32:10,517
Like...
635
00:32:10,517 --> 00:32:13,758
And I'm just like, "Well,
can't help but be what I am."
636
00:32:13,758 --> 00:32:16,344
You know? I have
no problem flirting.
637
00:32:16,344 --> 00:32:19,137
Flirting is safe
and it's just having fun.
638
00:32:24,793 --> 00:32:26,931
[Janelle] I need
something different.
639
00:32:26,931 --> 00:32:28,517
I need more of a companion.
640
00:32:28,517 --> 00:32:30,379
Yeah, you do.
641
00:32:30,379 --> 00:32:32,827
Does she really wanna be
married to Robyn's husband?
642
00:32:32,827 --> 00:32:35,827
If I cared,
it would bother me,
but I don't care.
643
00:32:35,827 --> 00:32:36,896
They can have each other.
644
00:32:47,241 --> 00:32:48,482
- [Meri] So, Robyn.
- [Robyn] What's up?
645
00:32:48,482 --> 00:32:49,482
[Meri] I have news.
646
00:32:49,482 --> 00:32:50,586
[Robyn] Uh-oh.
647
00:32:51,482 --> 00:32:52,862
Good news or bad news?
648
00:32:52,862 --> 00:32:54,862
- I've signed a contract.
- With?
649
00:32:55,965 --> 00:32:57,137
This house.
650
00:32:58,482 --> 00:32:59,965
- With this house?
- Yeah.
651
00:32:59,965 --> 00:33:02,103
- This house or another house?
- Yeah. This house.
652
00:33:02,103 --> 00:33:03,517
- You're staying here?
- [chuckles] I'm staying here.
653
00:33:03,517 --> 00:33:04,517
- Really?
- Yeah.
654
00:33:04,517 --> 00:33:06,551
- That's probably
good though, huh?
- Yeah.
655
00:33:06,551 --> 00:33:07,862
That means you're...
656
00:33:07,862 --> 00:33:10,620
I don't have to worry
about you moving
further away and...
657
00:33:10,620 --> 00:33:14,275
- You like your landlord and--
- [Meri] Yeah. No, he's good.
658
00:33:14,275 --> 00:33:19,000
Meri moving her business
to Parowan, it definitely
stresses me out.
659
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,000
But I'm also trying to just
trust what she's saying
660
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:30,000
and, like, you know,
she said she's still here,
she's not going anywhere.
661
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,827
Um, she just needs
her business there,
662
00:33:31,827 --> 00:33:35,241
so I'm just, like,
letting that sink in.
663
00:33:38,068 --> 00:33:40,620
She's got little involvement
with me, Robyn
and with the kids.
664
00:33:41,862 --> 00:33:45,206
And so, I've got no problem
with her moving there,
665
00:33:45,206 --> 00:33:47,862
and she keeps reassuring me
this is not her moving on,
666
00:33:47,862 --> 00:33:50,517
but I keep thinking
she should move on.
667
00:33:50,517 --> 00:33:54,103
I'm still working
on the B and B.
668
00:33:54,103 --> 00:33:55,620
- I'm going up there
next week.
- [Robyn] Yeah.
669
00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:58,793
I see a carriage, right?
It's a carriage house?
670
00:33:58,793 --> 00:34:00,275
It's a carriage house.
671
00:34:00,275 --> 00:34:03,344
Okay. I always say
stable house or something,
and it's not a stable.
672
00:34:03,344 --> 00:34:04,586
- No, it's a carriage house.
- Carriage house.
673
00:34:04,586 --> 00:34:05,655
- I don't know
why I say stable.
- Yep.
674
00:34:05,655 --> 00:34:07,241
- It does not even make sense.
- It's fine.
675
00:34:11,689 --> 00:34:14,034
[Robyn] It was nice
to get to visit with Meri.
676
00:34:14,034 --> 00:34:19,275
I'm glad Aurora came.
We were just kind of having
a nice, like, lazy afternoon.
677
00:34:19,275 --> 00:34:22,103
And, you know, Meri
always likes to see the kids,
678
00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:25,241
and it was good to kinda
just catch up a little bit
and hang out.
679
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,344
[Meri] Any of these
family experiences
that I can have,
680
00:34:33,344 --> 00:34:34,551
like, I will take.
681
00:34:34,551 --> 00:34:37,137
This is what I signed up for.
682
00:34:41,413 --> 00:34:44,275
[Christine] So, I thought
that sister wives like Meri,
Janelle, Robyn and I
683
00:34:44,275 --> 00:34:46,724
would always be
just sister wives.
684
00:34:46,724 --> 00:34:49,448
But it just
wasn't sustainable.
685
00:34:49,448 --> 00:34:52,586
[Janelle] Robyn and I just,
we could work together
very well as a team
686
00:34:52,586 --> 00:34:56,827
for what the family needed,
but we never had very much
of a one-on-one relationship.
687
00:34:56,827 --> 00:34:59,551
And Meri and I struggled
so hard for so many years,
688
00:34:59,551 --> 00:35:02,793
I just don't have any desire
to keep putting in that effort
689
00:35:02,793 --> 00:35:06,827
to somebody who's so,
personality-wise,
so different from me.
690
00:35:06,827 --> 00:35:09,206
Everything was great
till the last year or so,
691
00:35:09,206 --> 00:35:12,517
and then I began to realize
I started changing.
692
00:35:12,517 --> 00:35:16,620
I realized I need something
different from a relationship.
693
00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:21,068
And it just doesn't seem
to fit the parameters anymore
of what we had.
694
00:35:21,068 --> 00:35:23,137
I keep thinking
that there should be
more drama,
695
00:35:23,137 --> 00:35:26,000
but I'm just kinda like,
"I'm ready to do
something different."
696
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,206
See, I didn't see him
as being heartbroken
when I left either.
697
00:35:29,206 --> 00:35:30,379
Yeah.
698
00:35:30,379 --> 00:35:32,620
I mean, I thought
he was just angry
some of the time,
699
00:35:32,620 --> 00:35:34,068
but didn't seem like
he was heartbroken.
700
00:35:34,068 --> 00:35:37,551
See, ours is very amiable.
It's very amiable.
701
00:35:38,793 --> 00:35:41,448
How can the amiable?
I saw the fight!
702
00:35:42,068 --> 00:35:43,275
Sorry!
703
00:35:43,275 --> 00:35:44,620
- [Kody] No, you make
this excuse forever.
- Listen to me.
704
00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:46,000
But I've--
705
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,965
Shut your [bleep] mouth
and let me talk to you
for a minute.
706
00:35:47,965 --> 00:35:49,137
No, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no...
707
00:35:49,137 --> 00:35:51,586
- You stay and talk.
- [Kody] I'm done
listening to you.
708
00:35:51,586 --> 00:35:53,206
- Okay, so we're done?
- [Kody] Goodbye.
709
00:35:53,206 --> 00:35:54,310
[bleep] you.
710
00:35:54,758 --> 00:35:55,413
[slams door]
711
00:35:56,827 --> 00:35:58,172
Kody and I did have a fight.
712
00:35:58,172 --> 00:36:01,000
It was the end
of our relationship,
our marriage, effectively.
713
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,931
I have to be amiable
and functional,
714
00:36:02,931 --> 00:36:05,724
and we work on that level
when we need to.
715
00:36:06,965 --> 00:36:10,724
I'm more at peace
when he's not around, so...
716
00:36:11,310 --> 00:36:13,034
- Right now?
- Yeah.
717
00:36:13,034 --> 00:36:15,172
I need something different.
718
00:36:15,172 --> 00:36:18,068
- I need more of a companion.
- [Christine] Yeah, you do.
719
00:36:18,068 --> 00:36:20,896
But you have to know,
I would consider
a plural marriage again.
720
00:36:20,896 --> 00:36:23,275
Like, I really... I like it.
I like plural marriage.
721
00:36:26,275 --> 00:36:28,241
Listen, I've been jealous
about so many things
in my life,
722
00:36:28,241 --> 00:36:33,068
but there's just no need
to get pre-jealous about
Janelle's next relationship.
723
00:36:33,068 --> 00:36:34,827
So that's...
724
00:36:34,827 --> 00:36:36,862
I wouldn't think
about that naturally.
725
00:36:36,862 --> 00:36:40,068
It's hard to hear coming
from my perspective,
726
00:36:40,068 --> 00:36:42,689
but I wouldn't live
polygamy again.
727
00:36:42,689 --> 00:36:44,379
What do you like about it?
728
00:36:44,379 --> 00:36:46,482
- [Janelle] I like
my independence--
- Wait, you would consider...
729
00:36:48,241 --> 00:36:49,827
I would consider
plural marriage again.
730
00:36:51,241 --> 00:36:53,241
- You really would?
- [Janelle] Yeah.
731
00:36:53,241 --> 00:36:56,344
- Do you still believe
in the faith part of it?
- [Janelle] I do. Yeah, I do.
732
00:36:57,655 --> 00:36:59,586
So just because
this relationship
hasn't worked out,
733
00:36:59,586 --> 00:37:00,931
that's how most marriages are.
734
00:37:00,931 --> 00:37:02,482
You would live
in a plural family again?
735
00:37:02,482 --> 00:37:04,310
[Janelle] Yeah, I would.
736
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:05,862
But look, it'd have to be
one of those things.
737
00:37:05,862 --> 00:37:08,241
Like, when I saw Kody,
there was definitely
a spiritual...
738
00:37:08,241 --> 00:37:09,724
Like, "Oh, my gosh,
you know this guy."
739
00:37:09,724 --> 00:37:10,896
- Right?
- [Christine] Right.
740
00:37:10,896 --> 00:37:13,482
So if something
like that happened,
sure. Sure.
741
00:37:17,586 --> 00:37:19,310
If a guy had other wives
and I married him,
742
00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:20,724
and we happened
to be soulmates...
743
00:37:22,931 --> 00:37:24,379
No.
744
00:37:24,379 --> 00:37:27,000
The amount of heartbreak
that those other wives
are going to go through,
745
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,862
I would never wanna
put anybody through that.
746
00:37:30,862 --> 00:37:34,103
Does he know
where you're at mentally?
Like, you don't care--
747
00:37:34,103 --> 00:37:37,206
I tell him and I talk to him,
but I don't think he...
748
00:37:37,206 --> 00:37:39,068
I don't think he's tracking.
Like, he's just not--
749
00:37:39,068 --> 00:37:41,724
I think he's just
a monogamist now.
750
00:37:41,724 --> 00:37:44,344
- Yeah.
- [Christine] He's just
a monogamist now.
751
00:37:44,344 --> 00:37:45,862
Yeah.
752
00:37:45,862 --> 00:37:49,965
This is the first time
Janelle's agreed with me
that Kody lives monogamy.
753
00:37:49,965 --> 00:37:53,034
I mean, it really feels like
he's slipped into the role
of monogamy,
754
00:37:53,034 --> 00:37:55,241
and I think maybe
he did it a while ago
755
00:37:55,241 --> 00:37:57,896
and was just trying
to maintain
his responsibilities
756
00:37:57,896 --> 00:37:59,310
with his plural family.
757
00:37:59,310 --> 00:38:02,379
If I cared,
it would bother me,
but I don't care.
758
00:38:03,758 --> 00:38:04,758
I really don't.
759
00:38:06,206 --> 00:38:07,172
They can have each other.
760
00:38:09,827 --> 00:38:12,517
Would you go, like, stay
in a marriage with him
if things changed?
761
00:38:12,517 --> 00:38:14,379
- Yeah, I would.
- Oh, okay.
762
00:38:14,379 --> 00:38:18,965
If he could really, like,
fully engage with me
as a marriage partner again.
763
00:38:18,965 --> 00:38:20,068
Okay.
764
00:38:20,068 --> 00:38:22,310
Um, like, we've been friends
with benefits for years,
765
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:28,517
and I think I was ready...
I'm ready now for something
a little bit more...
766
00:38:28,517 --> 00:38:31,000
If he were to give me
what I needed
in a relationship,
767
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,275
I would stay.
768
00:38:32,275 --> 00:38:37,620
He's not gonna stop
being Robyn's husband
to be Janelle's.
769
00:38:37,620 --> 00:38:39,758
She has an amazing husband.
770
00:38:40,724 --> 00:38:42,379
From right where
you're looking in,
771
00:38:42,379 --> 00:38:46,413
it's everything that I ever
wanted in a husband.
772
00:38:46,413 --> 00:38:50,000
Is what Robyn...
[retches]
773
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Can't even say that
'cause I'm so disgusted
by Kody's behavior.
774
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,896
Just disgusted,
disappointed, appalled.
775
00:38:58,931 --> 00:39:00,137
[groans]
776
00:39:00,137 --> 00:39:03,724
I don't understand
why Janelle can't be
married with me.
777
00:39:03,724 --> 00:39:07,241
'Cause she was married to me
when I was married to Meri.
778
00:39:07,241 --> 00:39:10,586
And she was married to me
when I was married
to Christine.
779
00:39:10,586 --> 00:39:13,551
And she was married to me
while I was married to Robyn.
780
00:39:13,551 --> 00:39:15,103
Why not now?
781
00:39:15,103 --> 00:39:17,758
But so my point is,
I think plural marriage works
782
00:39:17,758 --> 00:39:23,965
if everybody's really trying
to make it work.
783
00:39:23,965 --> 00:39:26,241
I'm gonna encourage you
to live plural marriage
again, then.
784
00:39:26,241 --> 00:39:29,275
I'm really at a loss
because my faith would say
785
00:39:29,275 --> 00:39:33,862
I can't just easily
be released or walk away
786
00:39:33,862 --> 00:39:35,827
'cause our marriages
are so sacred to us, right?
787
00:39:36,827 --> 00:39:39,965
I can't remarry
until I'm released.
788
00:39:39,965 --> 00:39:42,655
That's the idea.
That I'm released
from my covenants.
789
00:39:42,655 --> 00:39:45,172
But I'm no longer even part
of that religious...
790
00:39:47,103 --> 00:39:48,103
community.
791
00:39:48,103 --> 00:39:51,137
There's nobody that I can
go to and say, "Hey...
792
00:39:51,137 --> 00:39:53,724
can I be released
so I can get married again?"
793
00:39:53,724 --> 00:39:56,586
You have to go through
all of these steps
to get a release.
794
00:39:56,586 --> 00:39:57,689
And then you're not even
fully released
795
00:39:57,689 --> 00:40:00,103
until you have sex
with the next guy. [laughing]
796
00:40:02,620 --> 00:40:05,620
It's not true.
Sorry. I can't even...
797
00:40:06,931 --> 00:40:10,310
Usually, our church
would say your divorce.
798
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:12,068
You'd have to go
ask for a divorce.
799
00:40:12,068 --> 00:40:14,068
You know, technically,
until Christine is physical
800
00:40:14,068 --> 00:40:16,000
with another man,
she's not divorced.
801
00:40:19,068 --> 00:40:21,655
[laughing]
It's not true. Sorry.
802
00:40:22,655 --> 00:40:25,103
I've never heard
that in my life!
803
00:40:25,103 --> 00:40:28,344
Sorry. [clears throat]
It's fine.
804
00:40:28,344 --> 00:40:30,931
There's a lot of steps
you do have to follow.
805
00:40:30,931 --> 00:40:32,517
Not everything, though.
806
00:40:32,517 --> 00:40:36,172
Like, I keep saying, "Okay,
God, is this what I'm facing?
807
00:40:36,172 --> 00:40:38,275
For years? I mean,
what's the deal here?"
808
00:40:38,275 --> 00:40:41,551
But I... So far,
I'm happy and I'm content.
809
00:40:41,551 --> 00:40:45,586
But nothing else
seems to be happening,
so I'm just saying put.
810
00:40:45,586 --> 00:40:47,241
But content.
And that's all it is.
811
00:40:47,241 --> 00:40:48,793
- That's good, then.
Okay, good.
- [Janelle] Yeah. Yeah, so--
812
00:40:48,793 --> 00:40:50,206
Good.
813
00:40:50,206 --> 00:40:51,896
- [Janelle] This tea was good.
- [Christine]
It's a spice blend.
814
00:40:51,896 --> 00:40:53,137
Yeah, I like this spice tea.
815
00:40:53,137 --> 00:40:54,275
[Christine] It's hyper spice.
816
00:40:55,586 --> 00:40:57,620
Kody's not gonna change.
817
00:40:57,620 --> 00:41:00,379
Does she really wanna be
married to Robyn's husband?
818
00:41:00,379 --> 00:41:02,482
Because that's what
it's going to be.
819
00:41:02,482 --> 00:41:04,344
She deserves to have
someone who loves her,
820
00:41:04,344 --> 00:41:05,344
who's not going to have...
821
00:41:06,827 --> 00:41:08,620
What did she say? "Benefits?
822
00:41:08,620 --> 00:41:10,103
Friends with
benefits", something?
823
00:41:10,103 --> 00:41:11,275
That's not a marriage.
824
00:41:12,206 --> 00:41:14,413
He'll just continue
to give her scraps.
825
00:41:16,172 --> 00:41:18,000
[Janelle] I just think
Kody is who he is.
826
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,206
I think he's maybe
been this guy for a few years
827
00:41:20,206 --> 00:41:24,758
and he was just kind of
waiting for everybody to fall
off or get away or go away
828
00:41:24,758 --> 00:41:26,344
or for everything
to break down,
829
00:41:26,344 --> 00:41:30,551
unless it couldn't be lived
in the way he wanted
everything to be lived.
830
00:41:30,551 --> 00:41:33,517
He's not pining in any way
for the family that he's lost
831
00:41:33,517 --> 00:41:35,206
except for when
his ego is involved
832
00:41:35,206 --> 00:41:36,931
and it makes him look bad
833
00:41:36,931 --> 00:41:39,000
that his family
is no longer intact.
834
00:41:42,965 --> 00:41:46,793
Based on this conversation,
I would say she has not had
that defining moment
835
00:41:46,793 --> 00:41:48,724
where she knows
that it's over.
836
00:41:48,724 --> 00:41:50,965
She'll know when she's there.
837
00:41:53,103 --> 00:41:55,206
[Kody] Next time
on Sister Wives...
838
00:41:57,068 --> 00:41:58,655
- [Ysabel] Are you serious?
- Mom knows. Yeah.
839
00:41:58,655 --> 00:42:01,137
- Yeah. I'm pregnant.
- [Ysabel speaking
indistinctly]
840
00:42:01,137 --> 00:42:03,275
Thank you. Do you guys
wanna see the sonogram?
841
00:42:03,275 --> 00:42:05,206
- Oh, my gosh! Yes! Yes!
- Ultrasound?
842
00:42:05,206 --> 00:42:07,206
There is one other
major surprise
843
00:42:07,206 --> 00:42:09,068
that I haven't
told anyone yet.
844
00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:11,379
So what does the bottom
picture look like?
845
00:42:11,379 --> 00:42:13,034
That's not the bottom,
that's the top.
846
00:42:13,965 --> 00:42:15,000
- What?
- [gasps]
847
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:15,965
I mean, yeah.
848
00:42:15,965 --> 00:42:17,862
- What?
- Oh, my God!
849
00:42:19,172 --> 00:42:23,551
I was absolutely,
A, stressed out
and B, taken aback.
850
00:42:23,551 --> 00:42:25,310
It was mind-blowing.
851
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:28,448
[Kody] All together,
take a seat,
and we're gonna eat.
852
00:42:28,448 --> 00:42:32,344
There's a lot of pain
from divorce,
and the separation of family.
853
00:42:32,344 --> 00:42:37,034
And as a result,
there's just what seems
to be a mild strain.