Previously on Sister Wives...
I don't care to talk to Robyn anymore.
And I'm not speaking on behalf of the siblings,
but this is what I think all the siblings think.
That this is us going, "You know what, Robyn? Have him.
All right, we don't need Dad anymore."
This does not mean I'm leaving the family.
It really is purely just a business thing.
Okay. Good on you, Meri.
It actually has no effect on me.
- Cheers. - Happy ex...
- Ex anniversary. - Whoo!
I'm a big fan of divorce, I'm just saying.
If people are thinking about it, I say go for it.
Do it. You're already miserable.
Christine and I were talking, and we decided we would do an Easter celebration.
We're gonna dye some eggs
and maybe do a little bit of an Easter egg hunt.
It will be fun.
Robyn and I aren't really celebrating Easter.
We're actually celebrating Resurrection Sunday
on Easter Sunday.
Okay.
But, yeah, things that are going on in the family are...
You know, we see some family,
we don't see other family.
There's kinda been a line in the sand with the family,
and some people are crossing over and some people aren't.
We haven't celebrated Easter since the kids were really, really young.
Kody decided a while... Years and years and years ago
that Easter was just too pagan for him.
So, when we put our family together,
we started out with the whole Easter thing.
And then as I got exposure to more people
and more people who had interpretation
of the scripture and stuff like that,
we started going, "Wait a second. We shouldn't be celebrating Easter.
We should be celebrating Passover."
We were going through kind of a transition
almost the entire time about Easter.
Listen, there's no specific polygamist dogmas or rules
about how to celebrate Easter or Christmas, for that matter.
You know, I think everybody does try to keep it Christ-centered.
As a family, we were always evolving with our religious traditions.
We were always trying to figure out what was the most...
holy way to celebrate things.
In the end, I just really personally felt like I was more in line with God
if I was just celebrating Passover
and recognizing and celebrating the resurrection.
So we all agreed that we wouldn't celebrate Easter anymore.
I was sad.
I had a really hard time with giving up Easter.
When I was growing up, we didn't celebrate Easter, we didn't celebrate Passover.
We really just didn't do anything.
It wasn't really abnormal for me to get rid of Easter.
When Robyn came into the family,
all of a sudden, she's like,
"Well, my kids celebrate Easter,
so I'll just go to my mom's house and celebrate."
And, of course, Kody didn't want her to leave.
We sort of did this hybrid Easter, Passover thing.
But that was the compromise
when we mashed the two traditions together.
But she had, certainly, a lot of leverage,
and there were a lot of changes.
And there were things that got better, definitely,
when Robyn came into the family, yeah.
In all reality, when a new wife comes into a family,
there will be changes
because that new wife is now a part of the family.
But I don't know why,
you know, why it was different.
Maybe it was just new ideas. I don't know.
New thought processes. I'm not sure.
Maybe she had more leverage just because Kody was so in love with her.
I don't know.
I'm putting in little bit of money and candy in each of the eggs.
And we're celebrating Easter.
And I feel like it's an act of rebellion and defiance.
But honestly, it's just an act
out of creating just different traditions.
Part of the reason I'm celebrating Easter is because Kody said no.
Everything that I really wanted,
I'm bringing back into my life.
And I decided I was gonna celebrate Easter from now on.
- Sister. - Sister!
The last time Christine and I were together with the kids,
we were at Garrison's house,
and we had a really tough conversation.
It's nice to be here today celebrating Easter,
doing all these really fun, easy things.
The thing is, is Janelle's also getting into it.
And I'm gonna tell you
Janelle was actually "team Easter is pagan."
She was fine with not doing Easter a million years ago.
But no, she's here.
She's dyeing eyes, she's getting into it.
Oh, yeah, it's a pretty magical holiday.
If you can help... You all can help yourself.
- I'm gonna just cut the cake. - It looks so beautiful.
Mom, literally, Aspyn's trying...
Last time I talked to Janelle, um,
she's not ready to end it with Kody.
And so I don't know.
I don't know where it stands with Kody and Janelle.
This is delicious, sister. Thank you.
- It is really good. - Yes, sister, thank you.
We can fix things, we can heal things,
we can get some of our family back together.
Most of it back together maybe.
But right now, because of where everybody's at, where I'm at,
I have a life with Robyn and her children.
And right now, that's really...
I'm okay with that, even though I hope we can fix things
and move things to a different place.
That is so cute.
- Hi. - We try... Uh, like, we make 'em just stay still.
Oh.
We need to have traditions
that carry this part of the family forward.
We need to continue traditions or re-establish traditions
that have meaning for her children and mine
so that there's an identity.
- Good stuff. - Let's do Easter stuff.
Yeah, let's clean up. Everybody, help clean up the table a bit.
An identity without their dad,
this is exactly what Christine and Janelle's plan is,
to separate me from my children
so they can have them all to themselves.
Everybody gets five colored eggs and five boiled eggs.
- And-- - By "colored," she means plastic.
Look, I think it's really fun to have the traditions,
regardless of how old you are.
You know, come on, let's be real.
Yup.
Okay, let everyone find easy ones, please.
Wait, Truely, did you get all yours?
Oh, no.
Mitch is not giving clues away, Aspyn.
- And I picked the mint for you. - She doesn't
like grass. Another one.
It is the money, let's be honest with you.
The reason why they're all down with this is because there's money in the eggs.
- Oh, my God! - Whoa!
- Whoo! - Bravo!
We're gonna keep him.
Doesn't he have a unicycle, too?
When we moved to Flagstaff,
things became very, very difficult.
Family gatherings were hard.
There was just so much tension in the air.
So for this, there's no tension.
We're just, um, glad to be around each other and with each other.
And it feels like a real holiday should feel like,
rather than having tension in the air.
Every single time I start thinking about planning for a holiday,
I go through this process of mourning.
It literally hurts my heart
when I think about the fact that we're not doing these things together.
This year, for Easter, like, I...
It was just a regular Sunday for me.
I just stayed home and...
Kody and Robyn didn't invite me over for anything.
I wasn't gonna invite myself over.
And I was happy just being at my house, doing my thing.
Putting money in 'em was, like, yeah, the best...
You didn't have to buy any toy.
Wow. All fives and tens.
It's definitely a different holiday,
but I'm not really missing Kody.
I'm not missing Robyn and Meri.
Um, I'm finding a lot of peace.
Maybe the most peace I've felt in a long time at this holiday.
In recent years, there has been a lot of,
uh, dare I say, drama.
I don't know what to do with a marriage
that's supposed to be eternal
but doesn't have any fire.
He just went through one divorce.
Is he concerned about another one?
Oh, my goodness. We're in Parowan, Utah.
We cleaned out this space here. See.
It's kind of amazing. We did a lot of stuff.
It's all over at the storage unit.
So we're out in the carriage house at the B and B.
This is the space that I'm gonna be doing my remodel.
I'm so excited!
I'm so excited. Okay.
So, the other day...
Hi, I'm Meri, this is just Jenn. Sorry.
So, Jenn is my best friend.
She and I have known each other for, like, ten years.
- Um-- - Do you think that a phone call
is more important this this?
Excuse me. I'm talking to our contractor.
Oh, hey, contractor.
Are you for real?
It's just a really good relationship.
She's very supportive in everything I do,
very defensive of me. It's just good.
So, basically, what we're doing in here
is making a cute little clothing boutique.
- It's gonna be-- - To sell my clothes.
It's gonna be just like...
This is the point of me moving my business up here.
So that I can have Jenn help me.
Once this carriage house remodel is finished,
I'm gonna be moving all my clothes
for my online boutique up here.
And then I will be here a little bit more often.
So we thought, "Well, we're just gonna make it really cute out here."
So I'm excited.
Okay. So you said flooring.
- Oh, flooring. - Baseboards.
Doesn't that automatically go with flooring?
I'm excited about the baseboards.
There have been times throughout the years
that I've had a good relationship like this,
that I have with Jenn, with different members of my family.
I've had that with Christine before.
I've had it with Robyn.
Like, we've been very, very close.
Although it's a little bit more serious.
Everything is, like, just very serious in our family and very...
Like, what is happening with the different relationships,
who likes who, who wants to get rid of who.
I don't allow myself to just, really, let loose
and just have a lot of fun
because I don't have that trust.
You know, Jenn and I have that trust
with each other that we can do that.
Like, I don't have that with other members of my family.
I feel like Meri and I've had a reasonably amiable relationship.
It's distant. I don't see her very often.
I don't know what to do with a marriage
that's supposed to be eternal
but doesn't have any fire.
If Meri just sticks around long enough
and we get through what's going on with Christine,
and even, you know, Kody and Janelle figure out whatever they're gonna do,
and he can get through all of his anger
and his emotions about everything,
that they will have a chance to work it out.
Also, Jenn's husband washed my car today.
It is so pretty.
He keeps complaining about all the bugs that are on the front of it.
And I'm like, "Dude, don't you know that I drive lots of miles
and there's lots of bugs?"
- And never wash your car. - I do sometimes.
Her husband is awesome with me.
He's very supportive of our relationship.
Um, and he does things for me, like, washes my car.
And, like, he does, like, these little things
that a guy normally would do for his wife.
And he does it for his wife,
and, by default, he does it for her best friend, too.
It's kind of cool. Don't go weird.
He and I have a very platonic relationship.
I felt really good about this decision.
The idea of not having to travel quite so much
and being able to really stay on top of both businesses
a little bit more is...
Like, it makes me happy.
Like, this is a good decision for me.
In recent years, there has been a lot of,
uh, dare I say, drama in our family.
You know what I mean?
I have a really good life.
I have a lot of things going on,
and I have a lot of things on my plate.
I'm always torn between
just looking at her and saying...
"Go find your happiness..."
and saying, "Please, figure it out with us here."
And it's only five hours away.
And I'm there half of the time anyway.
When I told Robyn about it,
she's been very supportive of, like, "Don't leave.
Stick around. Let's do this thing together," you know?
And I am, too. Like, that's exactly where I am with it.
When I told Kody, he reacted exactly like I thought that he would.
I don't want you to think that I'm walking away,
because sorry, I still have hope.
I'm fine with Meri moving her business to Parowan.
I don't think she's got a fulfilling life here in Flagstaff.
I really was hoping that he would react a little bit more
with, like, you know, the realization, I guess,
that I'm gonna be physically further away.
It's gonna be harder to figure out...
healing a relationship, healing a marriage.
And that's what I wanna do here.
You know, like, he just went through one divorce.
Is he concerned about another one?
- Meri! - Hi.
It's important to Meri to have a relationship with my kids.
I'd rather be up in Utah with you guys.
It's way better in Utah.
Look, I don't anticipate ever spending a holiday with Kody probably again.
My whole life seems to center around mine and Robyn's household.
She was in the way up for a second.
Robyn is still saying, "Fix that relationship with Meri,
and fix that relationship with your kids,
and fix that relationship with Janelle."
And I'm like, "Well, listen, when I'm around them,
its... There's no flicker, there's no flame.
I don't know what to do here."
So it's been weird. Because I'm married to the love of my life.
I've got these other situations
at different levels of discord,
and it's hard to reconcile.
And we just got all this angst in our lives.
Janelle and I...
Listen, she doesn't wanna reconcile.
So we see each other once in a while.
We talk on the phone...
once in a while.
I do believe we could reconcile.
I do believe that it would require Christine and Janelle
to sort of...
Like, "Ah, it's been nice hanging out a lot."
I just... Christine has so much influence over Janelle.
I just... Uh, I just think it's pathetic.
So I don't wanna say anything to Janelle
because I'm afraid Christine will find out about it
and the kids will find out about it.
It's like I just don't wanna talk about me.
It's been a while since we had Easter at my house.
And I'm excited to go to Flagstaff and have...
Like, host a dinner.
So I'm so excited to get a little short-term rental
and make dinner for everybody and cook.
It's been a bit.
I think it's Gabe and Garrison couldn't come to Easter,
uh, so we're gonna see them, too.
I was just downstairs.
- Oh, God, I gotta pick up-- - Savannah!
You know, I always enjoy when we have a minute to have a meal together
'cause it feels a little bit more...
Like everything's okay.
Everything's... There's continuity.
- You're welcome. - This is really good.
I'll soon be a proud member of the clean plate club.
I haven't had, like, homemade lasagna
- in a long time. - Is there any more?
- No. That is all of it. - So true.
I'm so sorry.
I did not want leftovers.
I thought about Thanksgiving.
- That's quite a long time away... - That's okay.
- You wanna up? - ...but I thought about Thanksgiving. Yeah.
You guys will come for Thanksgiving to my house?
- Yes. - Yay!
- Cook it. - I think so, right?
I know Logan, um, was thinking about
- having us for the holidays. - Mm-hmm.
So this year, you think it might be the same as far as Thanksgiving goes?
As last year,
all separate again?
- Oh, you mean from Kody and Robyn and Meri? - Uh-huh.
Yeah.
It's July, but Christine and I are talking about the holidays
'cause are kids are all over the place.
There's a lot of moving pieces.
So we have to start making a plan now.
I'd rather be up in Utah with you guys.
It's way better in Utah.
Look, I don't anticipate ever spending a holiday with Kody probably again.
It'll depend on what you guys wanna do.
If you guys wanna stay for Christmas, then we can.
Why would we stay here in Flagstaff for Christmas?
That'll be so boring.
I think Garrison hurts. Garrison hurts.
Um, he used to have a great relationship with Kody.
And Gabe had a great relationship with Kody.
It is so sad what it's like now.
Janelle became compliant with Gabriel and Garrison,
and this wrecked our relationship.
I did nothing to Gabriel and Garrison
but try to make them accountable.
And accountability is something
that Janelle and Christine do not know anything about.
I was talking about I could have my house as common ground
and everyone could come and have peace there,
but I don't think that's gonna happen.
Oh. You mean, like, did you say that to Dad?
I was thinking about it.
I mentioned it to Dad a while ago.
But it was a no.
So...
Here's the problem.
Kody's very much like, "I have a house, they can come to me,"
meaning Robyn's house, and I just don't see that Kody would ever take up that offer.
Absolutely. I have a house. They can come to my house.
I got real loyalty here at my home.
You guy can come over here.
I think it's okay. I think we're gonna have a great holiday season.
- Yeah, I think so, too. - I mean, gosh, it's still a long time away.
I mean, it is.
I'm still trying to figure out how I'm gonna do summer.
I just don't foresee that this family
is ever gonna knit itself back together again,
and that's what would be required to spend the holidays together.
But I think Thanksgiving, I don't know what else I'll be doing.
- Don't you think Thanksgiving would be fun? - Thanksgiving sounds good.
- Let's do it. - Yeah.
It's tough to sit here and have everybody over,
knowing that it's not over for everybody that's over,
it's just Janelle and her kids.
And the last time I saw Meri was at Ysabel's graduation party.
Last time I saw Robyn was in Flagstaff that day before I moved.
You know, I haven't seen Meri or Robyn for about six months.
Haven't run into them, haven't seen them.
Yeah.
- Meri! - Hi!
Meri and I, uh, have been trying to get together just to hang out.
It's a nice spring day.
Play and hang out and spend some time together.
You were waving for me?
- Yeah. - Well...
Robyn's kids have always been very excited to see me.
I've got a really good relationship with them.
- I'm so happy that you came. - Me, too.
Your mom and I promised that we would figure out a time.
They just love me.
They just love unconditionally,
and it's just really fun to hang out with people who feel like that about me.
- Hi, Meri. - Hi.
It's important to Meri to have a relationship with my kids.
Yay! We're here!
And the older kids have a lot of love and respect for her
because of the whole thing where she gave up her legal marriage
so they could get adopted.
That was a big deal to them.
Do you have the dogs?
I don't.
Ari is six and Solomon is ten.
Ari is definitely more like Kody, she's just a lot of fun.
Solomon is more like me, he's kind of quieter.
He's more of an introvert.
Hold on tight!
- Is that fun? - I'm having fun!
- Can I have a turn, Mom? - Yeah, in a minute.
Even though Kody and I don't have the relationship
that I want with him right now, I still have this.
You know, so I'm not, like, gonna just walk away
from this type of experience, you know,
because that is still very important to me.
- One more time. - Whoa!
Yeah, it wasn't a romantic date with your husband.
No.
It wasn't like I was really there
with my husband or something.
And then he dropped you off and he went home.
Yep.
And I haven't heard from him,
I guess it's been almost two weeks.
Call like it is and get out of Flagstaff.
Sorry, I just... This is just sad.
Okay, have fun. I love you.
- All right, I love you too. - Don't cause problems!
We shouldn't cause problems?
Christine and I always like to kind of have a conversation away from the kids
whenever she's in town.
This place is cool.
- Four levels, it's kind of awesome. - Yeah.
I'm gonna just talk with her alone.
I just wanna make sure she's okay. I just want her happy.
If I overstep and ask too much,
Janelle will shut down and the conversation will be over.
I don't wanna do that 'cause I'm very curious.
We've been here for about a week.
We had a lot of other things going on.
So we just opted to stay here for a week.
Did Kody come over at all?
No.
When you lived out there on the property,
did you see him more than you see him now? I mean, for sure?
Um, he came over kind of on his normal schedule.
But, you know, he never came till 7:00. 6:30, 7:00.
And then he would always have to leave in the morning
to help get Sol and Ari ready for school.
I'm gonna say I don't remember a time ever
where Kody left Robyn's house to come over to my house
to help get my kids off to school.
I just think it's disgusting you would leave one wife's home
to go help the other wife's kids get ready for school.
What... Can't she help get her kids ready for school when he's not there
so he can spend more time with the wife where he's at?
Logan was getting my kids ready to go out the door to school.
I don't know where Kody was.
I was actually taking Ariella and Solomon to school because I liked it.
We were just working so hard to make ends meet before.
And now that I have a chance to do this with Solomon and Ari,
it's like this second chance.
But Robyn never asked me to do it.
I'd be like, "Well, I think it's gonna create problems."
When I would bring it up to him,
he was just like, "Stop it, like, this is what I wanna do."
I'm trying of being blamed for the bad sister wife.
A bad sister wife is someone who just monopolizes the husband
so he has no time for anybody else.
A bad sister wife takes her kids away from her husband.
And that's exactly what Christine has done.
Robyn's not guilty of that.
Robyn's just loyal and Christine just wasn't.
I'm struggling a little bit 'cause I don't miss him.
But your birthday was fine? You guys stayed amiable--
Yeah, it was great. It was a really fun evening. Totally fun.
- Oh, good. 'Cause he can be fun. He really can be. - Yeah. Yeah,
and it was easy.
But it was like being out with my friend. Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, it wasn't a romantic date with your husband.
No.
It wasn't like I was really there with my husband or something.
- And then he dropped you off and he went home. - Yep.
And I haven't heard from him, I guess it's almost been two weeks.
After Kody and I finished dinner
and we drove back home and he dropped me off at my apartment,
I didn't want him to come in.
And I was really happy to just be like, "Hey, see you",
as he drove away to Robyn's house, and I went into my apartment.
The more I hear her, the more I'm just so sad for her,
to be honest with you.
She's my friend. She's my friend.
And I wanna see her happy,
not living this life where her husband takes her out for her birthday
and then drops her off at home and goes to his wife.
And then he hasn't talked to her for two weeks.
Call like it is and get out of Flagstaff.
Sorry, I just... This is just sad.
I'm sitting here with Christine
and it feels like everything I'm saying,
she's like, "Oh, poor you. Poor you."
Or she's kinda giving that impression,
I'm like, "No, no. I'm fine."
We are not reconciling, I'm not hoping he's coming around,
I'm not gonna settle for less than I deserve.
And it's just wild to me that I keep getting this vibe
from Christine that, "Oh, you deserve more."
I'm like, "Yes, of course, I do, and I'm taking it for myself.
I'm doing more."
Remember forever ago, I talked about doing family vacations all together?
- I think something like that-- - Like a reunion. A family reunion.
Yeah. I mean, maybe, someday something like that would be great.
I could do that with everybody, with Robyn and Meri, too.
- Yeah, yeah. - I could do a family reunion--
I guess I just don't wanna go spend a holiday or something.
But I would do a family reunion once a year if they wanted to.
Yes, okay. So I need to amend what I said.
It's not that I don't ever wanna see 'em together or see 'em again...
- Right. - ...but it's just that I don't really have any desire
to go seek them out.
Yeah, I think I would be open to doing some sort of family reunion thing.
I don't think it would be too incredibly awkward.
I would do a family reunion again just to get the kids together.
Absolutely.
I wouldn't have great conversations with Meri or Robyn or Kody.
I feel like doing something like that
when things aren't resolved and worked through,
it's just asking for trouble and fights.
After the trash-talking that Christine has done on me,
I would never want to do a family reunion with her at this point.
I mean, I really don't...
I don't really care if I interact with Robyn and Meri from here forward.
So, Aurora's talking to a boy.
Whoo-hoo! What are you talking to him about?
Um...
Aurora is 20 years old.
She's just visiting, that's all, with a guy.
No serious dating, just, like, talking
and, you know, kind of seeing each other here and there, and, um, yeah.
And he seems like a nice guy. I'm okay with him.
I just have to put on the intimidation face.
- We've been talking about movies. - Sci-Fi Movies?
Yes, space.
So all you do is talk?
Sorry, should we stop talking about this?
No, I don't mind talking about it.
I mean Aurora.
I'm sure you don't mind.
Tell me all the things.
I don't mind. This is fun.
This is a good conversation for me.
I'm not quite sure how Aurora's feeling about it, but I'm enjoying it.
He is from a different state and he came here to college.
So you met him at college?
- Yes. - Got it.
I have met this boy.
He seems like a nice kid.
- That's funny. - Hey, sis.
I'm just glad I have makeup on so you guys can't really see me blush too bad.
It's fine.
She's a good girl and she's got kind of old-fashioned values.
You know, as her parent, I like that.
I was married by the time I was your age.
- Yeah. - I know. I tell the kids that.
Sometimes I'm like, "Hey, this is... At your age, I was married.
- Your age, I was having you know, first baby." - Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
- And they're like... - Yeah.
Yep, I was married when I was 19.
I had been 19 for three months
and he had been 22 for three months.
We were babies.
- How old are you? - Twenty.
Yeah.
Yeah, I didn't have one then.
I had been married for a year.
I wonder now if this really bothers Kody, to be honest with you.
But I used to say very often that I never regretted marrying him,
I regretted not taking more time to get to know who I was.
We were married six months almost to the day from the time that we met.
So now, looking at Aurora, and I'm like, "You barely are a grown-up.
You know, you're in college and you're doing all the college things."
Which I never did.
It's so young, when you think about it, considering our kids.
- Like-- - Way too young.
- Please go on. - I don't really want to right now.
Yeah, you got other things to do.
I'm good with flirting.
- Yeah, do you want me-- - Not much more.
I'll bring it out.
- I mean, flirting is fun, too. - Yeah.
Yes, flirting is fun.
Kody used to always talk about me being a flirt.
Like...
And I'm just like, "Well, can't help but be what I am."
You know? I have no problem flirting.
Flirting is safe and it's just having fun.
I need something different.
I need more of a companion.
Yeah, you do.
Does she really wanna be married to Robyn's husband?
If I cared, it would bother me, but I don't care.
They can have each other.
- So, Robyn. - What's up?
I have news.
Uh-oh.
Good news or bad news?
- I've signed a contract. - With?
This house.
- With this house? - Yeah.
- This house or another house? - Yeah. This house.
- You're staying here? - I'm staying here.
- Really? - Yeah.
- That's probably good though, huh? - Yeah.
That means you're...
I don't have to worry about you moving further away and...
- You like your landlord and-- - Yeah. No, he's good.
Meri moving her business to Parowan, it definitely stresses me out.
But I'm also trying to just trust what she's saying
and, like, you know, she said she's still here, she's not going anywhere.
Um, she just needs her business there,
so I'm just, like, letting that sink in.
She's got little involvement with me, Robyn and with the kids.
And so, I've got no problem with her moving there,
and she keeps reassuring me this is not her moving on,
but I keep thinking she should move on.
I'm still working on the B and B.
- I'm going up there next week. - Yeah.
I see a carriage, right? It's a carriage house?
It's a carriage house.
Okay. I always say stable house or something, and it's not a stable.
- No, it's a carriage house. - Carriage house.
- I don't know why I say stable. - Yep.
- It does not even make sense. - It's fine.
It was nice to get to visit with Meri.
I'm glad Aurora came. We were just kind of having a nice, like, lazy afternoon.
And, you know, Meri always likes to see the kids,
and it was good to kinda just catch up a little bit and hang out.
Any of these family experiences that I can have,
like, I will take.
This is what I signed up for.
So, I thought that sister wives like Meri, Janelle, Robyn and I
would always be just sister wives.
But it just wasn't sustainable.
Robyn and I just, we could work together very well as a team
for what the family needed, but we never had very much of a one-on-one relationship.
And Meri and I struggled so hard for so many years,
I just don't have any desire to keep putting in that effort
to somebody who's so, personality-wise, so different from me.
Everything was great till the last year or so,
and then I began to realize I started changing.
I realized I need something different from a relationship.
And it just doesn't seem to fit the parameters anymore of what we had.
I keep thinking that there should be more drama,
but I'm just kinda like, "I'm ready to do something different."
See, I didn't see him as being heartbroken when I left either.
Yeah.
I mean, I thought he was just angry some of the time,
but didn't seem like he was heartbroken.
See, ours is very amiable. It's very amiable.
How can the amiable? I saw the fight!
Sorry!
- No, you make this excuse forever. - Listen to me.
But I've--
Shut your [bleep] mouth and let me talk to you for a minute.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no...
- You stay and talk. - I'm done listening to you.
- Okay, so we're done? - Goodbye.
you.
Kody and I did have a fight.
It was the end of our relationship, our marriage, effectively.
I have to be amiable and functional,
and we work on that level when we need to.
I'm more at peace when he's not around, so...
- Right now? - Yeah.
I need something different.
- I need more of a companion. - Yeah, you do.
But you have to know, I would consider a plural marriage again.
Like, I really... I like it. I like plural marriage.
Listen, I've been jealous about so many things in my life,
but there's just no need to get pre-jealous about Janelle's next relationship.
So that's...
I wouldn't think about that naturally.
It's hard to hear coming from my perspective,
but I wouldn't live polygamy again.
What do you like about it?
- I like my independence-- - Wait, you would consider...
I would consider plural marriage again.
- You really would? - Yeah.
- Do you still believe in the faith part of it? - I do. Yeah, I do.
So just because this relationship hasn't worked out,
that's how most marriages are.
You would live in a plural family again?
Yeah, I would.
But look, it'd have to be one of those things.
Like, when I saw Kody, there was definitely a spiritual...
Like, "Oh, my gosh, you know this guy."
- Right? - Right.
So if something like that happened, sure. Sure.
If a guy had other wives and I married him,
and we happened to be soulmates...
No.
The amount of heartbreak that those other wives are going to go through,
I would never wanna put anybody through that.
Does he know where you're at mentally? Like, you don't care--
I tell him and I talk to him, but I don't think he...
I don't think he's tracking. Like, he's just not--
I think he's just a monogamist now.
- Yeah. - He's just a monogamist now.
Yeah.
This is the first time Janelle's agreed with me that Kody lives monogamy.
I mean, it really feels like he's slipped into the role of monogamy,
and I think maybe he did it a while ago
and was just trying to maintain his responsibilities
with his plural family.
If I cared, it would bother me, but I don't care.
I really don't.
They can have each other.
Would you go, like, stay in a marriage with him if things changed?
- Yeah, I would. - Oh, okay.
If he could really, like, fully engage with me as a marriage partner again.
Okay.
Um, like, we've been friends with benefits for years,
and I think I was ready... I'm ready now for something a little bit more...
If he were to give me what I needed in a relationship,
I would stay.
He's not gonna stop being Robyn's husband to be Janelle's.
She has an amazing husband.
From right where you're looking in,
it's everything that I ever wanted in a husband.
Is what Robyn...
Can't even say that 'cause I'm so disgusted by Kody's behavior.
Just disgusted, disappointed, appalled.
I don't understand why Janelle can't be married with me.
'Cause she was married to me when I was married to Meri.
And she was married to me when I was married to Christine.
And she was married to me while I was married to Robyn.
Why not now?
But so my point is, I think plural marriage works
if everybody's really trying to make it work.
I'm gonna encourage you to live plural marriage again, then.
I'm really at a loss because my faith would say
I can't just easily be released or walk away
'cause our marriages are so sacred to us, right?
I can't remarry until I'm released.
That's the idea. That I'm released from my covenants.
But I'm no longer even part of that religious...
community.
There's nobody that I can go to and say, "Hey...
can I be released so I can get married again?"
You have to go through all of these steps to get a release.
And then you're not even fully released
until you have sex with the next guy.
It's not true. Sorry. I can't even...
Usually, our church would say your divorce.
You'd have to go ask for a divorce.
You know, technically, until Christine is physical
with another man, she's not divorced.
It's not true. Sorry.
I've never heard that in my life!
Sorry. It's fine.
There's a lot of steps you do have to follow.
Not everything, though.
Like, I keep saying, "Okay, God, is this what I'm facing?
For years? I mean, what's the deal here?"
But I... So far, I'm happy and I'm content.
But nothing else seems to be happening, so I'm just saying put.
But content. And that's all it is.
- That's good, then. Okay, good. - Yeah. Yeah, so--
Good.
This tea was good. It's a spice blend.
Yeah, I like this spice tea.
It's hyper spice.
Kody's not gonna change.
Does she really wanna be married to Robyn's husband?
Because that's what it's going to be.
She deserves to have someone who loves her,
who's not going to have...
What did she say? "Benefits?
Friends with benefits", something?
That's not a marriage.
He'll just continue to give her scraps.
I just think Kody is who he is.
I think he's maybe been this guy for a few years
and he was just kind of waiting for everybody to fall off or get away or go away
or for everything to break down,
unless it couldn't be lived in the way he wanted everything to be lived.
He's not pining in any way for the family that he's lost
except for when his ego is involved
and it makes him look bad
that his family is no longer intact.
Based on this conversation, I would say she has not had that defining moment
where she knows that it's over.
She'll know when she's there.
Next time on Sister Wives...
- Are you serious? - Mom knows. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm pregnant.
Thank you. Do you guys wanna see the sonogram?
- Oh, my gosh! Yes! Yes! - Ultrasound?
There is one other major surprise
that I haven't told anyone yet.
So what does the bottom picture look like?
That's not the bottom, that's the top.
What?
I mean, yeah.
- What? - Oh, my God!
I was absolutely, A, stressed out and B, taken aback.
It was mind-blowing.
All together, take a seat, and we're gonna eat.
There's a lot of pain from divorce, and the separation of family.
And as a result, there's just what seems to be a mild strain.