1 00:00:01,310 --> 00:00:02,275 Previously on Sister Wives... 2 00:00:04,689 --> 00:00:06,724 I don't care to talk to Robyn anymore. 3 00:00:06,724 --> 00:00:08,862 And I'm not speaking on behalf of the siblings, 4 00:00:08,862 --> 00:00:11,586 but this is what I think all the siblings think. 5 00:00:11,586 --> 00:00:15,517 That this is us going, "You know what, Robyn? Have him. 6 00:00:15,517 --> 00:00:18,275 All right, we don't need Dad anymore." 7 00:00:20,517 --> 00:00:23,896 This does not mean I'm leaving the family. 8 00:00:23,896 --> 00:00:28,827 It really is purely just a business thing. 9 00:00:28,827 --> 00:00:30,551 Okay. Good on you, Meri. 10 00:00:30,551 --> 00:00:33,000 It actually has no effect on me. 11 00:00:36,275 --> 00:00:38,896 - Cheers. - Happy ex... 12 00:00:38,896 --> 00:00:42,275 - Ex anniversary. - Whoo! 13 00:00:42,275 --> 00:00:44,862 I'm a big fan of divorce, I'm just saying. 14 00:00:44,862 --> 00:00:48,448 If people are thinking about it, I say go for it. 15 00:00:48,448 --> 00:00:50,620 Do it. You're already miserable. 16 00:01:21,413 --> 00:01:24,724 Christine and I were talking, and we decided we would do an Easter celebration. 17 00:01:24,724 --> 00:01:26,137 We're gonna dye some eggs 18 00:01:26,137 --> 00:01:29,206 and maybe do a little bit of an Easter egg hunt. 19 00:01:29,206 --> 00:01:30,379 It will be fun. 20 00:01:33,310 --> 00:01:34,827 Robyn and I aren't really celebrating Easter. 21 00:01:34,827 --> 00:01:36,931 We're actually celebrating Resurrection Sunday 22 00:01:36,931 --> 00:01:38,551 on Easter Sunday. 23 00:01:38,551 --> 00:01:39,793 Okay. 24 00:01:39,793 --> 00:01:43,241 But, yeah, things that are going on in the family are... 25 00:01:43,241 --> 00:01:45,206 You know, we see some family, 26 00:01:45,206 --> 00:01:47,310 we don't see other family. 27 00:01:47,310 --> 00:01:50,206 There's kinda been a line in the sand with the family, 28 00:01:50,206 --> 00:01:53,137 and some people are crossing over and some people aren't. 29 00:01:59,965 --> 00:02:05,137 We haven't celebrated Easter since the kids were really, really young. 30 00:02:05,137 --> 00:02:09,000 Kody decided a while... Years and years and years ago 31 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,862 that Easter was just too pagan for him. 32 00:02:11,862 --> 00:02:13,413 So, when we put our family together, 33 00:02:13,413 --> 00:02:15,379 we started out with the whole Easter thing. 34 00:02:15,379 --> 00:02:17,379 And then as I got exposure to more people 35 00:02:17,379 --> 00:02:19,000 and more people who had interpretation 36 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,448 of the scripture and stuff like that, 37 00:02:20,448 --> 00:02:22,862 we started going, "Wait a second. We shouldn't be celebrating Easter. 38 00:02:22,862 --> 00:02:24,896 We should be celebrating Passover." 39 00:02:24,896 --> 00:02:26,896 We were going through kind of a transition 40 00:02:26,896 --> 00:02:28,896 almost the entire time about Easter. 41 00:02:28,896 --> 00:02:32,275 Listen, there's no specific polygamist dogmas or rules 42 00:02:32,275 --> 00:02:35,310 about how to celebrate Easter or Christmas, for that matter. 43 00:02:35,310 --> 00:02:40,379 You know, I think everybody does try to keep it Christ-centered. 44 00:02:40,379 --> 00:02:44,586 As a family, we were always evolving with our religious traditions. 45 00:02:44,586 --> 00:02:46,689 We were always trying to figure out what was the most... 46 00:02:47,896 --> 00:02:49,896 holy way to celebrate things. 47 00:02:49,896 --> 00:02:54,793 In the end, I just really personally felt like I was more in line with God 48 00:02:54,793 --> 00:02:56,689 if I was just celebrating Passover 49 00:02:56,689 --> 00:03:01,517 and recognizing and celebrating the resurrection. 50 00:03:01,517 --> 00:03:04,586 So we all agreed that we wouldn't celebrate Easter anymore. 51 00:03:04,586 --> 00:03:05,758 I was sad. 52 00:03:05,758 --> 00:03:08,034 I had a really hard time with giving up Easter. 53 00:03:08,034 --> 00:03:13,172 When I was growing up, we didn't celebrate Easter, we didn't celebrate Passover. 54 00:03:13,172 --> 00:03:15,551 We really just didn't do anything. 55 00:03:15,551 --> 00:03:20,482 It wasn't really abnormal for me to get rid of Easter. 56 00:03:24,793 --> 00:03:26,724 When Robyn came into the family, 57 00:03:26,724 --> 00:03:27,586 all of a sudden, she's like, 58 00:03:27,586 --> 00:03:29,206 "Well, my kids celebrate Easter, 59 00:03:29,206 --> 00:03:31,206 so I'll just go to my mom's house and celebrate." 60 00:03:31,206 --> 00:03:33,758 And, of course, Kody didn't want her to leave. 61 00:03:36,517 --> 00:03:42,344 We sort of did this hybrid Easter, Passover thing. 62 00:03:42,344 --> 00:03:43,724 But that was the compromise 63 00:03:43,724 --> 00:03:45,965 when we mashed the two traditions together. 64 00:03:45,965 --> 00:03:48,827 But she had, certainly, a lot of leverage, 65 00:03:48,827 --> 00:03:50,827 and there were a lot of changes. 66 00:03:50,827 --> 00:03:53,034 And there were things that got better, definitely, 67 00:03:53,034 --> 00:03:54,862 when Robyn came into the family, yeah. 68 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,758 In all reality, when a new wife comes into a family, 69 00:03:59,758 --> 00:04:00,931 there will be changes 70 00:04:00,931 --> 00:04:04,000 because that new wife is now a part of the family. 71 00:04:04,620 --> 00:04:07,379 But I don't know why, 72 00:04:07,379 --> 00:04:10,137 you know, why it was different. 73 00:04:10,137 --> 00:04:12,172 Maybe it was just new ideas. I don't know. 74 00:04:12,172 --> 00:04:14,275 New thought processes. I'm not sure. 75 00:04:14,275 --> 00:04:18,068 Maybe she had more leverage just because Kody was so in love with her. 76 00:04:18,068 --> 00:04:19,448 I don't know. 77 00:04:19,448 --> 00:04:25,137 I'm putting in little bit of money and candy in each of the eggs. 78 00:04:25,137 --> 00:04:27,655 And we're celebrating Easter. 79 00:04:27,655 --> 00:04:32,241 And I feel like it's an act of rebellion and defiance. 80 00:04:32,241 --> 00:04:34,206 But honestly, it's just an act 81 00:04:34,206 --> 00:04:37,586 out of creating just different traditions. 82 00:04:37,586 --> 00:04:40,275 Part of the reason I'm celebrating Easter is because Kody said no. 83 00:04:40,275 --> 00:04:44,172 Everything that I really wanted, 84 00:04:44,172 --> 00:04:45,793 I'm bringing back into my life. 85 00:04:45,793 --> 00:04:48,448 And I decided I was gonna celebrate Easter from now on. 86 00:04:52,413 --> 00:04:57,344 - Sister. - Sister! 87 00:04:57,344 --> 00:05:00,034 The last time Christine and I were together with the kids, 88 00:05:00,034 --> 00:05:01,034 we were at Garrison's house, 89 00:05:01,034 --> 00:05:03,655 and we had a really tough conversation. 90 00:05:03,655 --> 00:05:07,655 It's nice to be here today celebrating Easter, 91 00:05:07,655 --> 00:05:10,344 doing all these really fun, easy things. 92 00:05:20,379 --> 00:05:22,586 The thing is, is Janelle's also getting into it. 93 00:05:22,586 --> 00:05:23,862 And I'm gonna tell you 94 00:05:23,862 --> 00:05:26,896 Janelle was actually "team Easter is pagan." 95 00:05:26,896 --> 00:05:28,931 She was fine with not doing Easter a million years ago. 96 00:05:28,931 --> 00:05:30,586 But no, she's here. 97 00:05:30,586 --> 00:05:32,827 She's dyeing eyes, she's getting into it. 98 00:05:32,827 --> 00:05:35,862 Oh, yeah, it's a pretty magical holiday. 99 00:05:35,862 --> 00:05:38,000 If you can help... You all can help yourself. 100 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,034 - I'm gonna just cut the cake. - It looks so beautiful. 101 00:05:41,034 --> 00:05:42,517 Mom, literally, Aspyn's trying... 102 00:05:42,517 --> 00:05:45,206 Last time I talked to Janelle, um, 103 00:05:45,206 --> 00:05:49,241 she's not ready to end it with Kody. 104 00:05:49,931 --> 00:05:52,344 And so I don't know. 105 00:05:52,344 --> 00:05:54,413 I don't know where it stands with Kody and Janelle. 106 00:05:55,551 --> 00:05:57,068 This is delicious, sister. Thank you. 107 00:05:57,068 --> 00:05:58,965 - It is really good. - Yes, sister, thank you. 108 00:05:58,965 --> 00:06:00,931 We can fix things, we can heal things, 109 00:06:00,931 --> 00:06:03,931 we can get some of our family back together. 110 00:06:03,931 --> 00:06:05,655 Most of it back together maybe. 111 00:06:07,931 --> 00:06:12,034 But right now, because of where everybody's at, where I'm at, 112 00:06:12,034 --> 00:06:15,068 I have a life with Robyn and her children. 113 00:06:15,068 --> 00:06:17,310 And right now, that's really... 114 00:06:19,482 --> 00:06:24,068 I'm okay with that, even though I hope we can fix things 115 00:06:24,068 --> 00:06:25,482 and move things to a different place. 116 00:06:25,482 --> 00:06:27,758 That is so cute. 117 00:06:27,758 --> 00:06:31,275 - Hi. - We try... Uh, like, we make 'em just stay still. 118 00:06:31,275 --> 00:06:32,655 Oh. 119 00:06:33,586 --> 00:06:35,103 We need to have traditions 120 00:06:35,103 --> 00:06:37,413 that carry this part of the family forward. 121 00:06:37,413 --> 00:06:41,586 We need to continue traditions or re-establish traditions 122 00:06:41,586 --> 00:06:44,586 that have meaning for her children and mine 123 00:06:44,586 --> 00:06:46,103 so that there's an identity. 124 00:06:47,517 --> 00:06:50,068 - Good stuff. - Let's do Easter stuff. 125 00:06:50,068 --> 00:06:52,931 Yeah, let's clean up. Everybody, help clean up the table a bit. 126 00:06:52,931 --> 00:06:54,896 An identity without their dad, 127 00:06:54,896 --> 00:06:57,965 this is exactly what Christine and Janelle's plan is, 128 00:06:57,965 --> 00:06:59,310 to separate me from my children 129 00:06:59,310 --> 00:07:01,172 so they can have them all to themselves. 130 00:07:01,172 --> 00:07:07,206 Everybody gets five colored eggs and five boiled eggs. 131 00:07:07,206 --> 00:07:09,724 - And-- - By "colored," she means plastic. 132 00:07:09,724 --> 00:07:11,724 Look, I think it's really fun to have the traditions, 133 00:07:11,724 --> 00:07:13,620 regardless of how old you are. 134 00:07:13,620 --> 00:07:14,965 You know, come on, let's be real. 135 00:07:14,965 --> 00:07:16,586 Yup. 136 00:07:16,586 --> 00:07:19,448 Okay, let everyone find easy ones, please. 137 00:07:19,448 --> 00:07:21,275 Wait, Truely, did you get all yours? 138 00:07:21,275 --> 00:07:23,655 Oh, no. 139 00:07:24,724 --> 00:07:27,310 Mitch is not giving clues away, Aspyn. 140 00:07:29,862 --> 00:07:31,275 - And I picked the mint for you. - She doesn't 141 00:07:31,275 --> 00:07:32,689 like grass. Another one. 142 00:07:34,586 --> 00:07:36,413 It is the money, let's be honest with you. 143 00:07:36,413 --> 00:07:40,793 The reason why they're all down with this is because there's money in the eggs. 144 00:07:48,379 --> 00:07:51,413 - Oh, my God! - Whoa! 145 00:07:51,413 --> 00:07:52,931 - Whoo! - Bravo! 146 00:07:55,034 --> 00:07:56,034 We're gonna keep him. 147 00:07:56,034 --> 00:07:57,517 Doesn't he have a unicycle, too? 148 00:07:57,517 --> 00:07:59,620 When we moved to Flagstaff, 149 00:07:59,620 --> 00:08:02,172 things became very, very difficult. 150 00:08:02,172 --> 00:08:03,137 Family gatherings were hard. 151 00:08:03,137 --> 00:08:05,344 There was just so much tension in the air. 152 00:08:05,344 --> 00:08:08,620 So for this, there's no tension. 153 00:08:08,620 --> 00:08:12,379 We're just, um, glad to be around each other and with each other. 154 00:08:12,379 --> 00:08:16,034 And it feels like a real holiday should feel like, 155 00:08:16,034 --> 00:08:18,103 rather than having tension in the air. 156 00:08:26,137 --> 00:08:30,517 Every single time I start thinking about planning for a holiday, 157 00:08:30,517 --> 00:08:34,931 I go through this process of mourning. 158 00:08:38,172 --> 00:08:41,000 It literally hurts my heart 159 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,413 when I think about the fact that we're not doing these things together. 160 00:08:48,517 --> 00:08:49,965 This year, for Easter, like, I... 161 00:08:49,965 --> 00:08:51,965 It was just a regular Sunday for me. 162 00:08:51,965 --> 00:08:53,655 I just stayed home and... 163 00:08:53,655 --> 00:08:57,068 Kody and Robyn didn't invite me over for anything. 164 00:08:57,068 --> 00:08:59,103 I wasn't gonna invite myself over. 165 00:08:59,103 --> 00:09:03,310 And I was happy just being at my house, doing my thing. 166 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,758 Putting money in 'em was, like, yeah, the best... 167 00:09:07,758 --> 00:09:09,413 You didn't have to buy any toy. 168 00:09:09,413 --> 00:09:12,275 Wow. All fives and tens. 169 00:09:12,275 --> 00:09:14,862 It's definitely a different holiday, 170 00:09:14,862 --> 00:09:19,137 but I'm not really missing Kody. 171 00:09:19,137 --> 00:09:21,689 I'm not missing Robyn and Meri. 172 00:09:21,689 --> 00:09:24,206 Um, I'm finding a lot of peace. 173 00:09:24,206 --> 00:09:28,689 Maybe the most peace I've felt in a long time at this holiday. 174 00:09:33,172 --> 00:09:36,137 In recent years, there has been a lot of, 175 00:09:36,137 --> 00:09:38,827 uh, dare I say, drama. 176 00:09:38,827 --> 00:09:40,724 I don't know what to do with a marriage 177 00:09:40,724 --> 00:09:42,344 that's supposed to be eternal 178 00:09:42,344 --> 00:09:44,241 but doesn't have any fire. 179 00:09:44,241 --> 00:09:47,103 He just went through one divorce. 180 00:09:47,103 --> 00:09:50,137 Is he concerned about another one? 181 00:10:00,793 --> 00:10:03,793 Oh, my goodness. We're in Parowan, Utah. 182 00:10:03,793 --> 00:10:07,034 We cleaned out this space here. See. 183 00:10:10,620 --> 00:10:12,965 It's kind of amazing. We did a lot of stuff. 184 00:10:12,965 --> 00:10:14,758 It's all over at the storage unit. 185 00:10:14,758 --> 00:10:18,241 So we're out in the carriage house at the B and B. 186 00:10:18,241 --> 00:10:21,448 This is the space that I'm gonna be doing my remodel. 187 00:10:26,137 --> 00:10:27,551 I'm so excited! 188 00:10:27,551 --> 00:10:29,000 I'm so excited. Okay. 189 00:10:29,827 --> 00:10:31,310 So, the other day... 190 00:10:31,310 --> 00:10:34,482 Hi, I'm Meri, this is just Jenn. Sorry. 191 00:10:34,482 --> 00:10:36,000 So, Jenn is my best friend. 192 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,172 She and I have known each other for, like, ten years. 193 00:10:40,172 --> 00:10:41,344 - Um-- - Do you think that a phone call 194 00:10:41,344 --> 00:10:42,724 is more important this this? 195 00:10:42,724 --> 00:10:45,655 Excuse me. I'm talking to our contractor. 196 00:10:45,655 --> 00:10:47,655 Oh, hey, contractor. 197 00:10:47,655 --> 00:10:48,758 Are you for real? 198 00:10:54,896 --> 00:10:57,172 It's just a really good relationship. 199 00:10:57,172 --> 00:11:00,034 She's very supportive in everything I do, 200 00:11:00,034 --> 00:11:02,793 very defensive of me. It's just good. 201 00:11:02,793 --> 00:11:04,379 So, basically, what we're doing in here 202 00:11:04,379 --> 00:11:08,793 is making a cute little clothing boutique. 203 00:11:08,793 --> 00:11:10,724 - It's gonna be-- - To sell my clothes. 204 00:11:10,724 --> 00:11:12,137 It's gonna be just like... 205 00:11:12,137 --> 00:11:15,793 This is the point of me moving my business up here. 206 00:11:17,310 --> 00:11:21,758 So that I can have Jenn help me. 207 00:11:21,758 --> 00:11:23,827 Once this carriage house remodel is finished, 208 00:11:23,827 --> 00:11:26,206 I'm gonna be moving all my clothes 209 00:11:26,206 --> 00:11:29,103 for my online boutique up here. 210 00:11:29,103 --> 00:11:32,344 And then I will be here a little bit more often. 211 00:11:32,344 --> 00:11:34,586 So we thought, "Well, we're just gonna make it really cute out here." 212 00:11:34,586 --> 00:11:36,586 So I'm excited. 213 00:11:36,586 --> 00:11:38,310 Okay. So you said flooring. 214 00:11:38,310 --> 00:11:40,310 - Oh, flooring. - Baseboards. 215 00:11:41,379 --> 00:11:43,482 Doesn't that automatically go with flooring? 216 00:11:43,482 --> 00:11:45,068 I'm excited about the baseboards. 217 00:11:45,068 --> 00:11:47,689 There have been times throughout the years 218 00:11:47,689 --> 00:11:50,896 that I've had a good relationship like this, 219 00:11:50,896 --> 00:11:54,586 that I have with Jenn, with different members of my family. 220 00:12:00,448 --> 00:12:03,206 I've had that with Christine before. 221 00:12:03,206 --> 00:12:04,965 I've had it with Robyn. 222 00:12:04,965 --> 00:12:06,586 Like, we've been very, very close. 223 00:12:06,586 --> 00:12:08,482 Although it's a little bit more serious. 224 00:12:10,793 --> 00:12:14,068 Everything is, like, just very serious in our family and very... 225 00:12:14,068 --> 00:12:16,862 Like, what is happening with the different relationships, 226 00:12:16,862 --> 00:12:19,241 who likes who, who wants to get rid of who. 227 00:12:24,241 --> 00:12:28,827 I don't allow myself to just, really, let loose 228 00:12:28,827 --> 00:12:30,724 and just have a lot of fun 229 00:12:30,724 --> 00:12:32,827 because I don't have that trust. 230 00:12:32,827 --> 00:12:35,000 You know, Jenn and I have that trust 231 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,551 with each other that we can do that. 232 00:12:36,551 --> 00:12:39,896 Like, I don't have that with other members of my family. 233 00:12:41,586 --> 00:12:45,482 I feel like Meri and I've had a reasonably amiable relationship. 234 00:12:45,482 --> 00:12:48,931 It's distant. I don't see her very often. 235 00:12:48,931 --> 00:12:50,827 I don't know what to do with a marriage 236 00:12:50,827 --> 00:12:52,551 that's supposed to be eternal 237 00:12:52,551 --> 00:12:54,103 but doesn't have any fire. 238 00:12:55,862 --> 00:13:00,758 If Meri just sticks around long enough 239 00:13:00,758 --> 00:13:04,689 and we get through what's going on with Christine, 240 00:13:04,689 --> 00:13:09,206 and even, you know, Kody and Janelle figure out whatever they're gonna do, 241 00:13:09,206 --> 00:13:10,827 and he can get through all of his anger 242 00:13:10,827 --> 00:13:13,172 and his emotions about everything, 243 00:13:13,172 --> 00:13:15,551 that they will have a chance to work it out. 244 00:13:15,551 --> 00:13:19,620 Also, Jenn's husband washed my car today. 245 00:13:19,620 --> 00:13:21,103 It is so pretty. 246 00:13:21,103 --> 00:13:24,379 He keeps complaining about all the bugs that are on the front of it. 247 00:13:24,379 --> 00:13:28,000 And I'm like, "Dude, don't you know that I drive lots of miles 248 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,241 and there's lots of bugs?" 249 00:13:29,241 --> 00:13:32,586 - And never wash your car. - I do sometimes. 250 00:13:32,586 --> 00:13:34,931 Her husband is awesome with me. 251 00:13:34,931 --> 00:13:38,275 He's very supportive of our relationship. 252 00:13:38,275 --> 00:13:42,379 Um, and he does things for me, like, washes my car. 253 00:13:42,379 --> 00:13:45,000 And, like, he does, like, these little things 254 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,758 that a guy normally would do for his wife. 255 00:13:47,758 --> 00:13:50,206 And he does it for his wife, 256 00:13:50,206 --> 00:13:53,068 and, by default, he does it for her best friend, too. 257 00:13:53,068 --> 00:13:55,758 It's kind of cool. Don't go weird. 258 00:13:55,758 --> 00:14:00,068 He and I have a very platonic relationship. 259 00:14:07,103 --> 00:14:09,620 I felt really good about this decision. 260 00:14:09,620 --> 00:14:12,551 The idea of not having to travel quite so much 261 00:14:12,551 --> 00:14:16,034 and being able to really stay on top of both businesses 262 00:14:16,034 --> 00:14:17,793 a little bit more is... 263 00:14:17,793 --> 00:14:19,172 Like, it makes me happy. 264 00:14:19,172 --> 00:14:22,172 Like, this is a good decision for me. 265 00:14:22,172 --> 00:14:25,310 In recent years, there has been a lot of, 266 00:14:25,310 --> 00:14:29,172 uh, dare I say, drama in our family. 267 00:14:29,172 --> 00:14:30,034 You know what I mean? 268 00:14:31,137 --> 00:14:32,551 I have a really good life. 269 00:14:33,793 --> 00:14:35,448 I have a lot of things going on, 270 00:14:35,448 --> 00:14:37,206 and I have a lot of things on my plate. 271 00:14:38,344 --> 00:14:40,862 I'm always torn between 272 00:14:40,862 --> 00:14:43,551 just looking at her and saying... 273 00:14:45,724 --> 00:14:47,482 "Go find your happiness..." 274 00:14:48,931 --> 00:14:51,379 and saying, "Please, figure it out with us here." 275 00:14:53,068 --> 00:14:55,379 And it's only five hours away. 276 00:14:55,379 --> 00:14:57,931 And I'm there half of the time anyway. 277 00:14:57,931 --> 00:15:00,482 When I told Robyn about it, 278 00:15:00,482 --> 00:15:04,862 she's been very supportive of, like, "Don't leave. 279 00:15:04,862 --> 00:15:08,068 Stick around. Let's do this thing together," you know? 280 00:15:08,068 --> 00:15:12,793 And I am, too. Like, that's exactly where I am with it. 281 00:15:12,793 --> 00:15:19,241 When I told Kody, he reacted exactly like I thought that he would. 282 00:15:19,241 --> 00:15:22,965 I don't want you to think that I'm walking away, 283 00:15:22,965 --> 00:15:25,137 because sorry, I still have hope. 284 00:15:26,896 --> 00:15:28,896 I'm fine with Meri moving her business to Parowan. 285 00:15:28,896 --> 00:15:34,034 I don't think she's got a fulfilling life here in Flagstaff. 286 00:15:34,034 --> 00:15:38,379 I really was hoping that he would react a little bit more 287 00:15:38,379 --> 00:15:42,482 with, like, you know, the realization, I guess, 288 00:15:42,482 --> 00:15:46,965 that I'm gonna be physically further away. 289 00:15:46,965 --> 00:15:48,965 It's gonna be harder to figure out... 290 00:15:50,275 --> 00:15:53,137 healing a relationship, healing a marriage. 291 00:15:53,137 --> 00:15:55,137 And that's what I wanna do here. 292 00:15:55,137 --> 00:15:57,793 You know, like, he just went through one divorce. 293 00:15:58,931 --> 00:16:01,758 Is he concerned about another one? 294 00:16:07,551 --> 00:16:10,137 - Meri! - Hi. 295 00:16:10,137 --> 00:16:13,000 It's important to Meri to have a relationship with my kids. 296 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,965 I'd rather be up in Utah with you guys. 297 00:16:14,965 --> 00:16:17,482 It's way better in Utah. 298 00:16:17,482 --> 00:16:21,758 Look, I don't anticipate ever spending a holiday with Kody probably again. 299 00:16:34,206 --> 00:16:38,586 My whole life seems to center around mine and Robyn's household. 300 00:16:38,586 --> 00:16:40,068 She was in the way up for a second. 301 00:16:42,172 --> 00:16:44,793 Robyn is still saying, "Fix that relationship with Meri, 302 00:16:44,793 --> 00:16:46,724 and fix that relationship with your kids, 303 00:16:46,724 --> 00:16:49,000 and fix that relationship with Janelle." 304 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,689 And I'm like, "Well, listen, when I'm around them, 305 00:16:52,689 --> 00:16:55,931 its... There's no flicker, there's no flame. 306 00:16:55,931 --> 00:16:58,344 I don't know what to do here." 307 00:16:58,344 --> 00:17:02,103 So it's been weird. Because I'm married to the love of my life. 308 00:17:02,103 --> 00:17:03,586 I've got these other situations 309 00:17:03,586 --> 00:17:08,482 at different levels of discord, 310 00:17:08,482 --> 00:17:12,137 and it's hard to reconcile. 311 00:17:12,137 --> 00:17:15,068 And we just got all this angst in our lives. 312 00:17:18,103 --> 00:17:19,379 Janelle and I... 313 00:17:20,758 --> 00:17:22,655 Listen, she doesn't wanna reconcile. 314 00:17:22,655 --> 00:17:24,793 So we see each other once in a while. 315 00:17:24,793 --> 00:17:26,068 We talk on the phone... 316 00:17:27,206 --> 00:17:28,862 once in a while. 317 00:17:28,862 --> 00:17:30,724 I do believe we could reconcile. 318 00:17:30,724 --> 00:17:35,724 I do believe that it would require Christine and Janelle 319 00:17:35,724 --> 00:17:36,931 to sort of... 320 00:17:36,931 --> 00:17:40,448 Like, "Ah, it's been nice hanging out a lot." 321 00:17:40,448 --> 00:17:43,862 I just... Christine has so much influence over Janelle. 322 00:17:43,862 --> 00:17:46,310 I just... Uh, I just think it's pathetic. 323 00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:49,034 So I don't wanna say anything to Janelle 324 00:17:49,034 --> 00:17:50,758 because I'm afraid Christine will find out about it 325 00:17:50,758 --> 00:17:52,241 and the kids will find out about it. 326 00:17:52,241 --> 00:17:54,206 It's like I just don't wanna talk about me. 327 00:17:59,310 --> 00:18:03,034 It's been a while since we had Easter at my house. 328 00:18:03,034 --> 00:18:06,620 And I'm excited to go to Flagstaff and have... 329 00:18:06,620 --> 00:18:07,758 Like, host a dinner. 330 00:18:07,758 --> 00:18:10,689 So I'm so excited to get a little short-term rental 331 00:18:10,689 --> 00:18:13,000 and make dinner for everybody and cook. 332 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,896 It's been a bit. 333 00:18:14,896 --> 00:18:17,793 I think it's Gabe and Garrison couldn't come to Easter, 334 00:18:17,793 --> 00:18:20,517 uh, so we're gonna see them, too. 335 00:18:20,517 --> 00:18:21,586 I was just downstairs. 336 00:18:21,586 --> 00:18:23,793 - Oh, God, I gotta pick up-- - Savannah! 337 00:18:23,793 --> 00:18:27,344 You know, I always enjoy when we have a minute to have a meal together 338 00:18:27,344 --> 00:18:29,000 'cause it feels a little bit more... 339 00:18:29,793 --> 00:18:31,068 Like everything's okay. 340 00:18:31,068 --> 00:18:34,482 Everything's... There's continuity. 341 00:18:34,482 --> 00:18:35,655 - You're welcome. - This is really good. 342 00:18:35,655 --> 00:18:38,655 I'll soon be a proud member of the clean plate club. 343 00:18:38,655 --> 00:18:40,275 I haven't had, like, homemade lasagna 344 00:18:40,275 --> 00:18:42,275 - in a long time. - Is there any more? 345 00:18:42,275 --> 00:18:44,551 - No. That is all of it. - So true. 346 00:18:44,551 --> 00:18:45,551 I'm so sorry. 347 00:18:46,482 --> 00:18:48,206 I did not want leftovers. 348 00:18:48,206 --> 00:18:50,827 I thought about Thanksgiving. 349 00:18:50,827 --> 00:18:52,413 - That's quite a long time away... - That's okay. 350 00:18:52,413 --> 00:18:54,448 - You wanna up? - ...but I thought about Thanksgiving. Yeah. 351 00:18:54,448 --> 00:18:55,965 You guys will come for Thanksgiving to my house? 352 00:18:55,965 --> 00:18:57,724 - Yes. - Yay! 353 00:18:57,724 --> 00:18:58,931 - Cook it. - I think so, right? 354 00:18:58,931 --> 00:19:00,793 I know Logan, um, was thinking about 355 00:19:00,793 --> 00:19:03,413 - having us for the holidays. - Mm-hmm. 356 00:19:03,413 --> 00:19:06,241 So this year, you think it might be the same as far as Thanksgiving goes? 357 00:19:06,862 --> 00:19:07,965 As last year, 358 00:19:07,965 --> 00:19:09,896 all separate again? 359 00:19:09,896 --> 00:19:12,068 - Oh, you mean from Kody and Robyn and Meri? - Uh-huh. 360 00:19:12,068 --> 00:19:13,344 Yeah. 361 00:19:13,344 --> 00:19:15,896 It's July, but Christine and I are talking about the holidays 362 00:19:15,896 --> 00:19:17,793 'cause are kids are all over the place. 363 00:19:17,793 --> 00:19:19,206 There's a lot of moving pieces. 364 00:19:19,206 --> 00:19:21,586 So we have to start making a plan now. 365 00:19:21,586 --> 00:19:24,931 I'd rather be up in Utah with you guys. 366 00:19:24,931 --> 00:19:26,655 It's way better in Utah. 367 00:19:26,655 --> 00:19:31,068 Look, I don't anticipate ever spending a holiday with Kody probably again. 368 00:19:31,068 --> 00:19:32,862 It'll depend on what you guys wanna do. 369 00:19:32,862 --> 00:19:35,586 If you guys wanna stay for Christmas, then we can. 370 00:19:35,586 --> 00:19:38,000 Why would we stay here in Flagstaff for Christmas? 371 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,586 That'll be so boring. 372 00:19:40,586 --> 00:19:43,551 I think Garrison hurts. Garrison hurts. 373 00:19:43,551 --> 00:19:45,551 Um, he used to have a great relationship with Kody. 374 00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:48,379 And Gabe had a great relationship with Kody. 375 00:19:49,275 --> 00:19:52,862 It is so sad what it's like now. 376 00:19:52,862 --> 00:19:55,931 Janelle became compliant with Gabriel and Garrison, 377 00:19:55,931 --> 00:19:57,758 and this wrecked our relationship. 378 00:19:57,758 --> 00:19:59,620 I did nothing to Gabriel and Garrison 379 00:19:59,620 --> 00:20:01,103 but try to make them accountable. 380 00:20:01,896 --> 00:20:03,241 And accountability is something 381 00:20:03,241 --> 00:20:06,000 that Janelle and Christine do not know anything about. 382 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,965 I was talking about I could have my house as common ground 383 00:20:08,965 --> 00:20:11,655 and everyone could come and have peace there, 384 00:20:11,655 --> 00:20:14,241 but I don't think that's gonna happen. 385 00:20:14,241 --> 00:20:16,482 Oh. You mean, like, did you say that to Dad? 386 00:20:16,482 --> 00:20:18,206 I was thinking about it. 387 00:20:18,206 --> 00:20:19,931 I mentioned it to Dad a while ago. 388 00:20:20,862 --> 00:20:22,655 But it was a no. 389 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:23,655 So... 390 00:20:26,827 --> 00:20:28,137 Here's the problem. 391 00:20:28,137 --> 00:20:29,827 Kody's very much like, "I have a house, they can come to me," 392 00:20:29,827 --> 00:20:34,827 meaning Robyn's house, and I just don't see that Kody would ever take up that offer. 393 00:20:34,827 --> 00:20:39,413 Absolutely. I have a house. They can come to my house. 394 00:20:39,413 --> 00:20:42,241 I got real loyalty here at my home. 395 00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:44,103 You guy can come over here. 396 00:20:44,103 --> 00:20:46,793 I think it's okay. I think we're gonna have a great holiday season. 397 00:20:46,793 --> 00:20:49,275 - Yeah, I think so, too. - I mean, gosh, it's still a long time away. 398 00:20:49,275 --> 00:20:50,793 I mean, it is. 399 00:20:50,793 --> 00:20:52,724 I'm still trying to figure out how I'm gonna do summer. 400 00:20:55,068 --> 00:20:56,586 I just don't foresee that this family 401 00:20:56,586 --> 00:20:58,344 is ever gonna knit itself back together again, 402 00:20:58,344 --> 00:21:01,344 and that's what would be required to spend the holidays together. 403 00:21:01,344 --> 00:21:04,586 But I think Thanksgiving, I don't know what else I'll be doing. 404 00:21:04,586 --> 00:21:06,241 - Don't you think Thanksgiving would be fun? - Thanksgiving sounds good. 405 00:21:06,241 --> 00:21:07,620 - Let's do it. - Yeah. 406 00:21:12,413 --> 00:21:17,000 It's tough to sit here and have everybody over, 407 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,275 knowing that it's not over for everybody that's over, 408 00:21:19,275 --> 00:21:21,689 it's just Janelle and her kids. 409 00:21:21,689 --> 00:21:25,931 And the last time I saw Meri was at Ysabel's graduation party. 410 00:21:25,931 --> 00:21:30,482 Last time I saw Robyn was in Flagstaff that day before I moved. 411 00:21:30,482 --> 00:21:37,068 You know, I haven't seen Meri or Robyn for about six months. 412 00:21:37,068 --> 00:21:39,586 Haven't run into them, haven't seen them. 413 00:21:40,551 --> 00:21:41,862 Yeah. 414 00:21:56,862 --> 00:21:59,655 - Meri! - Hi! 415 00:21:59,655 --> 00:22:03,724 Meri and I, uh, have been trying to get together just to hang out. 416 00:22:03,724 --> 00:22:05,068 It's a nice spring day. 417 00:22:05,068 --> 00:22:07,344 Play and hang out and spend some time together. 418 00:22:07,344 --> 00:22:08,758 You were waving for me? 419 00:22:08,758 --> 00:22:10,275 - Yeah. - Well... 420 00:22:10,275 --> 00:22:14,137 Robyn's kids have always been very excited to see me. 421 00:22:14,137 --> 00:22:16,172 I've got a really good relationship with them. 422 00:22:16,172 --> 00:22:19,448 - I'm so happy that you came. - Me, too. 423 00:22:19,448 --> 00:22:22,689 Your mom and I promised that we would figure out a time. 424 00:22:22,689 --> 00:22:23,724 They just love me. 425 00:22:23,724 --> 00:22:25,379 They just love unconditionally, 426 00:22:25,379 --> 00:22:29,379 and it's just really fun to hang out with people who feel like that about me. 427 00:22:30,137 --> 00:22:32,103 - Hi, Meri. - Hi. 428 00:22:32,103 --> 00:22:34,931 It's important to Meri to have a relationship with my kids. 429 00:22:35,758 --> 00:22:39,034 Yay! We're here! 430 00:22:39,034 --> 00:22:42,551 And the older kids have a lot of love and respect for her 431 00:22:42,551 --> 00:22:45,586 because of the whole thing where she gave up her legal marriage 432 00:22:45,586 --> 00:22:46,655 so they could get adopted. 433 00:22:46,655 --> 00:22:48,034 That was a big deal to them. 434 00:22:48,034 --> 00:22:49,827 Do you have the dogs? 435 00:22:49,827 --> 00:22:52,137 I don't. 436 00:22:52,137 --> 00:22:54,000 Ari is six and Solomon is ten. 437 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,620 Ari is definitely more like Kody, she's just a lot of fun. 438 00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:01,517 Solomon is more like me, he's kind of quieter. 439 00:23:01,517 --> 00:23:03,241 He's more of an introvert. 440 00:23:03,241 --> 00:23:07,137 Hold on tight! 441 00:23:07,137 --> 00:23:10,275 - Is that fun? - I'm having fun! 442 00:23:10,275 --> 00:23:12,034 - Can I have a turn, Mom? - Yeah, in a minute. 443 00:23:14,517 --> 00:23:17,103 Even though Kody and I don't have the relationship 444 00:23:17,103 --> 00:23:19,586 that I want with him right now, I still have this. 445 00:23:19,586 --> 00:23:23,620 You know, so I'm not, like, gonna just walk away 446 00:23:23,620 --> 00:23:27,482 from this type of experience, you know, 447 00:23:27,482 --> 00:23:29,758 because that is still very important to me. 448 00:23:29,758 --> 00:23:31,551 - One more time. - Whoa! 449 00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:36,551 Yeah, it wasn't a romantic date with your husband. 450 00:23:36,551 --> 00:23:37,310 No. 451 00:23:38,241 --> 00:23:39,310 It wasn't like I was really there 452 00:23:39,310 --> 00:23:40,310 with my husband or something. 453 00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:41,724 And then he dropped you off and he went home. 454 00:23:41,724 --> 00:23:43,034 Yep. 455 00:23:43,034 --> 00:23:44,137 And I haven't heard from him, 456 00:23:44,137 --> 00:23:46,103 I guess it's been almost two weeks. 457 00:23:46,103 --> 00:23:48,034 Call like it is and get out of Flagstaff. 458 00:23:48,034 --> 00:23:50,034 Sorry, I just... This is just sad. 459 00:23:58,517 --> 00:23:59,931 Okay, have fun. I love you. 460 00:23:59,931 --> 00:24:02,655 - All right, I love you too. - Don't cause problems! 461 00:24:02,655 --> 00:24:04,448 We shouldn't cause problems? 462 00:24:04,448 --> 00:24:07,275 Christine and I always like to kind of have a conversation away from the kids 463 00:24:07,275 --> 00:24:08,586 whenever she's in town. 464 00:24:09,931 --> 00:24:11,103 This place is cool. 465 00:24:11,103 --> 00:24:12,827 - Four levels, it's kind of awesome. - Yeah. 466 00:24:12,827 --> 00:24:14,758 I'm gonna just talk with her alone. 467 00:24:14,758 --> 00:24:17,344 I just wanna make sure she's okay. I just want her happy. 468 00:24:18,379 --> 00:24:20,586 If I overstep and ask too much, 469 00:24:20,586 --> 00:24:23,206 Janelle will shut down and the conversation will be over. 470 00:24:23,206 --> 00:24:26,724 I don't wanna do that 'cause I'm very curious. 471 00:24:26,724 --> 00:24:28,000 We've been here for about a week. 472 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,862 We had a lot of other things going on. 473 00:24:29,862 --> 00:24:31,655 So we just opted to stay here for a week. 474 00:24:31,655 --> 00:24:32,586 Did Kody come over at all? 475 00:24:34,172 --> 00:24:35,689 No. 476 00:24:35,689 --> 00:24:37,206 When you lived out there on the property, 477 00:24:37,206 --> 00:24:39,655 did you see him more than you see him now? I mean, for sure? 478 00:24:39,655 --> 00:24:43,620 Um, he came over kind of on his normal schedule. 479 00:24:43,620 --> 00:24:46,793 But, you know, he never came till 7:00. 6:30, 7:00. 480 00:24:46,793 --> 00:24:48,689 And then he would always have to leave in the morning 481 00:24:48,689 --> 00:24:50,586 to help get Sol and Ari ready for school. 482 00:24:53,413 --> 00:24:57,000 I'm gonna say I don't remember a time ever 483 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:02,068 where Kody left Robyn's house to come over to my house 484 00:25:02,068 --> 00:25:04,758 to help get my kids off to school. 485 00:25:04,758 --> 00:25:07,862 I just think it's disgusting you would leave one wife's home 486 00:25:07,862 --> 00:25:11,379 to go help the other wife's kids get ready for school. 487 00:25:11,379 --> 00:25:15,724 What... Can't she help get her kids ready for school when he's not there 488 00:25:15,724 --> 00:25:20,103 so he can spend more time with the wife where he's at? 489 00:25:20,103 --> 00:25:23,517 Logan was getting my kids ready to go out the door to school. 490 00:25:23,517 --> 00:25:26,620 I don't know where Kody was. 491 00:25:26,620 --> 00:25:29,965 I was actually taking Ariella and Solomon to school because I liked it. 492 00:25:29,965 --> 00:25:34,517 We were just working so hard to make ends meet before. 493 00:25:34,517 --> 00:25:37,310 And now that I have a chance to do this with Solomon and Ari, 494 00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:41,344 it's like this second chance. 495 00:25:41,344 --> 00:25:44,379 But Robyn never asked me to do it. 496 00:25:44,379 --> 00:25:48,344 I'd be like, "Well, I think it's gonna create problems." 497 00:25:48,344 --> 00:25:49,620 When I would bring it up to him, 498 00:25:49,620 --> 00:25:52,689 he was just like, "Stop it, like, this is what I wanna do." 499 00:25:52,689 --> 00:25:55,068 I'm trying of being blamed for the bad sister wife. 500 00:25:55,068 --> 00:25:59,000 A bad sister wife is someone who just monopolizes the husband 501 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,241 so he has no time for anybody else. 502 00:26:01,241 --> 00:26:05,448 A bad sister wife takes her kids away from her husband. 503 00:26:05,448 --> 00:26:07,413 And that's exactly what Christine has done. 504 00:26:08,448 --> 00:26:09,793 Robyn's not guilty of that. 505 00:26:10,965 --> 00:26:13,655 Robyn's just loyal and Christine just wasn't. 506 00:26:17,068 --> 00:26:19,068 I'm struggling a little bit 'cause I don't miss him. 507 00:26:19,068 --> 00:26:21,206 But your birthday was fine? You guys stayed amiable-- 508 00:26:21,206 --> 00:26:23,724 Yeah, it was great. It was a really fun evening. Totally fun. 509 00:26:23,724 --> 00:26:26,034 - Oh, good. 'Cause he can be fun. He really can be. - Yeah. Yeah, 510 00:26:26,034 --> 00:26:27,413 and it was easy. 511 00:26:27,413 --> 00:26:29,965 But it was like being out with my friend. Do you know what I mean? 512 00:26:29,965 --> 00:26:32,517 Yeah, it wasn't a romantic date with your husband. 513 00:26:32,517 --> 00:26:34,172 No. 514 00:26:34,172 --> 00:26:36,206 It wasn't like I was really there with my husband or something. 515 00:26:36,206 --> 00:26:38,965 - And then he dropped you off and he went home. - Yep. 516 00:26:38,965 --> 00:26:41,172 And I haven't heard from him, I guess it's almost been two weeks. 517 00:26:43,724 --> 00:26:45,655 After Kody and I finished dinner 518 00:26:45,655 --> 00:26:48,310 and we drove back home and he dropped me off at my apartment, 519 00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:49,620 I didn't want him to come in. 520 00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:52,517 And I was really happy to just be like, "Hey, see you", 521 00:26:52,517 --> 00:26:56,827 as he drove away to Robyn's house, and I went into my apartment. 522 00:26:56,827 --> 00:27:01,310 The more I hear her, the more I'm just so sad for her, 523 00:27:01,310 --> 00:27:02,448 to be honest with you. 524 00:27:02,448 --> 00:27:05,482 She's my friend. She's my friend. 525 00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:07,862 And I wanna see her happy, 526 00:27:07,862 --> 00:27:13,517 not living this life where her husband takes her out for her birthday 527 00:27:13,517 --> 00:27:18,137 and then drops her off at home and goes to his wife. 528 00:27:18,137 --> 00:27:21,241 And then he hasn't talked to her for two weeks. 529 00:27:22,862 --> 00:27:24,724 Call like it is and get out of Flagstaff. 530 00:27:24,724 --> 00:27:26,620 Sorry, I just... This is just sad. 531 00:27:28,206 --> 00:27:29,793 I'm sitting here with Christine 532 00:27:29,793 --> 00:27:31,620 and it feels like everything I'm saying, 533 00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:33,965 she's like, "Oh, poor you. Poor you." 534 00:27:33,965 --> 00:27:35,310 Or she's kinda giving that impression, 535 00:27:35,310 --> 00:27:37,068 I'm like, "No, no. I'm fine." 536 00:27:37,068 --> 00:27:40,172 We are not reconciling, I'm not hoping he's coming around, 537 00:27:40,172 --> 00:27:42,689 I'm not gonna settle for less than I deserve. 538 00:27:42,689 --> 00:27:45,137 And it's just wild to me that I keep getting this vibe 539 00:27:45,137 --> 00:27:48,172 from Christine that, "Oh, you deserve more." 540 00:27:48,172 --> 00:27:50,620 I'm like, "Yes, of course, I do, and I'm taking it for myself. 541 00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:52,206 I'm doing more." 542 00:27:52,206 --> 00:27:58,241 Remember forever ago, I talked about doing family vacations all together? 543 00:27:58,241 --> 00:28:00,413 - I think something like that-- - Like a reunion. A family reunion. 544 00:28:00,413 --> 00:28:02,793 Yeah. I mean, maybe, someday something like that would be great. 545 00:28:02,793 --> 00:28:05,103 I could do that with everybody, with Robyn and Meri, too. 546 00:28:05,103 --> 00:28:06,896 - Yeah, yeah. - I could do a family reunion-- 547 00:28:06,896 --> 00:28:09,034 I guess I just don't wanna go spend a holiday or something. 548 00:28:09,034 --> 00:28:10,827 But I would do a family reunion once a year if they wanted to. 549 00:28:10,827 --> 00:28:12,551 Yes, okay. So I need to amend what I said. 550 00:28:12,551 --> 00:28:14,724 It's not that I don't ever wanna see 'em together or see 'em again... 551 00:28:14,724 --> 00:28:17,379 - Right. - ...but it's just that I don't really have any desire 552 00:28:17,379 --> 00:28:20,103 to go seek them out. 553 00:28:20,103 --> 00:28:24,724 Yeah, I think I would be open to doing some sort of family reunion thing. 554 00:28:24,724 --> 00:28:28,413 I don't think it would be too incredibly awkward. 555 00:28:28,413 --> 00:28:31,448 I would do a family reunion again just to get the kids together. 556 00:28:31,448 --> 00:28:32,896 Absolutely. 557 00:28:32,896 --> 00:28:36,551 I wouldn't have great conversations with Meri or Robyn or Kody. 558 00:28:36,551 --> 00:28:38,758 I feel like doing something like that 559 00:28:38,758 --> 00:28:41,206 when things aren't resolved and worked through, 560 00:28:41,206 --> 00:28:43,448 it's just asking for trouble and fights. 561 00:28:43,448 --> 00:28:47,482 After the trash-talking that Christine has done on me, 562 00:28:47,482 --> 00:28:51,517 I would never want to do a family reunion with her at this point. 563 00:28:51,517 --> 00:28:53,068 I mean, I really don't... 564 00:28:53,068 --> 00:28:56,965 I don't really care if I interact with Robyn and Meri from here forward. 565 00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:11,379 So, Aurora's talking to a boy. 566 00:29:11,379 --> 00:29:13,448 Whoo-hoo! What are you talking to him about? 567 00:29:13,448 --> 00:29:14,482 Um... 568 00:29:15,896 --> 00:29:18,275 Aurora is 20 years old. 569 00:29:18,275 --> 00:29:23,793 She's just visiting, that's all, with a guy. 570 00:29:25,827 --> 00:29:28,137 No serious dating, just, like, talking 571 00:29:28,137 --> 00:29:35,275 and, you know, kind of seeing each other here and there, and, um, yeah. 572 00:29:35,275 --> 00:29:37,689 And he seems like a nice guy. I'm okay with him. 573 00:29:37,689 --> 00:29:39,758 I just have to put on the intimidation face. 574 00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:44,137 - We've been talking about movies. - Sci-Fi Movies? 575 00:29:44,137 --> 00:29:46,827 Yes, space. 576 00:29:46,827 --> 00:29:48,413 So all you do is talk? 577 00:29:50,517 --> 00:29:52,000 Sorry, should we stop talking about this? 578 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,482 No, I don't mind talking about it. 579 00:29:54,482 --> 00:29:58,241 I mean Aurora. 580 00:29:58,241 --> 00:30:00,620 I'm sure you don't mind. 581 00:30:00,620 --> 00:30:02,000 Tell me all the things. 582 00:30:03,586 --> 00:30:05,344 I don't mind. This is fun. 583 00:30:05,344 --> 00:30:07,172 This is a good conversation for me. 584 00:30:07,172 --> 00:30:11,310 I'm not quite sure how Aurora's feeling about it, but I'm enjoying it. 585 00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:14,172 He is from a different state and he came here to college. 586 00:30:14,172 --> 00:30:15,724 So you met him at college? 587 00:30:15,724 --> 00:30:17,068 - Yes. - Got it. 588 00:30:17,068 --> 00:30:18,448 I have met this boy. 589 00:30:19,551 --> 00:30:21,241 He seems like a nice kid. 590 00:30:21,241 --> 00:30:23,034 - That's funny. - Hey, sis. 591 00:30:23,034 --> 00:30:26,379 I'm just glad I have makeup on so you guys can't really see me blush too bad. 592 00:30:26,379 --> 00:30:29,655 It's fine. 593 00:30:29,655 --> 00:30:34,758 She's a good girl and she's got kind of old-fashioned values. 594 00:30:34,758 --> 00:30:37,586 You know, as her parent, I like that. 595 00:30:37,586 --> 00:30:40,862 I was married by the time I was your age. 596 00:30:40,862 --> 00:30:43,068 - Yeah. - I know. I tell the kids that. 597 00:30:43,068 --> 00:30:46,344 Sometimes I'm like, "Hey, this is... At your age, I was married. 598 00:30:46,344 --> 00:30:50,034 - Your age, I was having you know, first baby." - Uh-huh. Uh-huh. 599 00:30:50,034 --> 00:30:51,931 - And they're like... - Yeah. 600 00:30:51,931 --> 00:30:54,103 Yep, I was married when I was 19. 601 00:30:57,586 --> 00:30:59,689 I had been 19 for three months 602 00:30:59,689 --> 00:31:02,586 and he had been 22 for three months. 603 00:31:02,586 --> 00:31:04,413 We were babies. 604 00:31:04,413 --> 00:31:05,896 - How old are you? - Twenty. 605 00:31:05,896 --> 00:31:06,827 Yeah. 606 00:31:06,827 --> 00:31:07,724 Yeah, I didn't have one then. 607 00:31:07,724 --> 00:31:10,000 I had been married for a year. 608 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,896 I wonder now if this really bothers Kody, to be honest with you. 609 00:31:13,896 --> 00:31:18,517 But I used to say very often that I never regretted marrying him, 610 00:31:18,517 --> 00:31:24,931 I regretted not taking more time to get to know who I was. 611 00:31:31,137 --> 00:31:36,275 We were married six months almost to the day from the time that we met. 612 00:31:38,241 --> 00:31:42,689 So now, looking at Aurora, and I'm like, "You barely are a grown-up. 613 00:31:42,689 --> 00:31:45,586 You know, you're in college and you're doing all the college things." 614 00:31:45,586 --> 00:31:46,931 Which I never did. 615 00:31:46,931 --> 00:31:49,896 It's so young, when you think about it, considering our kids. 616 00:31:49,896 --> 00:31:52,068 - Like-- - Way too young. 617 00:31:52,068 --> 00:31:54,241 - Please go on. - I don't really want to right now. 618 00:31:54,241 --> 00:31:55,689 Yeah, you got other things to do. 619 00:31:55,689 --> 00:31:56,896 I'm good with flirting. 620 00:31:56,896 --> 00:31:58,931 - Yeah, do you want me-- - Not much more. 621 00:31:58,931 --> 00:32:00,172 I'll bring it out. 622 00:32:00,172 --> 00:32:02,413 - I mean, flirting is fun, too. - Yeah. 623 00:32:02,413 --> 00:32:06,241 Yes, flirting is fun. 624 00:32:06,241 --> 00:32:08,862 Kody used to always talk about me being a flirt. 625 00:32:08,862 --> 00:32:10,517 Like... 626 00:32:10,517 --> 00:32:13,758 And I'm just like, "Well, can't help but be what I am." 627 00:32:13,758 --> 00:32:16,344 You know? I have no problem flirting. 628 00:32:16,344 --> 00:32:19,137 Flirting is safe and it's just having fun. 629 00:32:24,793 --> 00:32:26,931 I need something different. 630 00:32:26,931 --> 00:32:28,517 I need more of a companion. 631 00:32:28,517 --> 00:32:30,379 Yeah, you do. 632 00:32:30,379 --> 00:32:32,827 Does she really wanna be married to Robyn's husband? 633 00:32:32,827 --> 00:32:35,827 If I cared, it would bother me, but I don't care. 634 00:32:35,827 --> 00:32:36,896 They can have each other. 635 00:32:47,241 --> 00:32:48,482 - So, Robyn. - What's up? 636 00:32:48,482 --> 00:32:49,482 I have news. 637 00:32:49,482 --> 00:32:50,586 Uh-oh. 638 00:32:51,482 --> 00:32:52,862 Good news or bad news? 639 00:32:52,862 --> 00:32:54,862 - I've signed a contract. - With? 640 00:32:55,965 --> 00:32:57,137 This house. 641 00:32:58,482 --> 00:32:59,965 - With this house? - Yeah. 642 00:32:59,965 --> 00:33:02,103 - This house or another house? - Yeah. This house. 643 00:33:02,103 --> 00:33:03,517 - You're staying here? - I'm staying here. 644 00:33:03,517 --> 00:33:04,517 - Really? - Yeah. 645 00:33:04,517 --> 00:33:06,551 - That's probably good though, huh? - Yeah. 646 00:33:06,551 --> 00:33:07,862 That means you're... 647 00:33:07,862 --> 00:33:10,620 I don't have to worry about you moving further away and... 648 00:33:10,620 --> 00:33:14,275 - You like your landlord and-- - Yeah. No, he's good. 649 00:33:14,275 --> 00:33:19,000 Meri moving her business to Parowan, it definitely stresses me out. 650 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,000 But I'm also trying to just trust what she's saying 651 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:30,000 and, like, you know, she said she's still here, she's not going anywhere. 652 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,827 Um, she just needs her business there, 653 00:33:31,827 --> 00:33:35,241 so I'm just, like, letting that sink in. 654 00:33:38,068 --> 00:33:40,620 She's got little involvement with me, Robyn and with the kids. 655 00:33:41,862 --> 00:33:45,206 And so, I've got no problem with her moving there, 656 00:33:45,206 --> 00:33:47,862 and she keeps reassuring me this is not her moving on, 657 00:33:47,862 --> 00:33:50,517 but I keep thinking she should move on. 658 00:33:50,517 --> 00:33:54,103 I'm still working on the B and B. 659 00:33:54,103 --> 00:33:55,620 - I'm going up there next week. - Yeah. 660 00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:58,793 I see a carriage, right? It's a carriage house? 661 00:33:58,793 --> 00:34:00,275 It's a carriage house. 662 00:34:00,275 --> 00:34:03,344 Okay. I always say stable house or something, and it's not a stable. 663 00:34:03,344 --> 00:34:04,586 - No, it's a carriage house. - Carriage house. 664 00:34:04,586 --> 00:34:05,655 - I don't know why I say stable. - Yep. 665 00:34:05,655 --> 00:34:07,241 - It does not even make sense. - It's fine. 666 00:34:11,689 --> 00:34:14,034 It was nice to get to visit with Meri. 667 00:34:14,034 --> 00:34:19,275 I'm glad Aurora came. We were just kind of having a nice, like, lazy afternoon. 668 00:34:19,275 --> 00:34:22,103 And, you know, Meri always likes to see the kids, 669 00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:25,241 and it was good to kinda just catch up a little bit and hang out. 670 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,344 Any of these family experiences that I can have, 671 00:34:33,344 --> 00:34:34,551 like, I will take. 672 00:34:34,551 --> 00:34:37,137 This is what I signed up for. 673 00:34:41,413 --> 00:34:44,275 So, I thought that sister wives like Meri, Janelle, Robyn and I 674 00:34:44,275 --> 00:34:46,724 would always be just sister wives. 675 00:34:46,724 --> 00:34:49,448 But it just wasn't sustainable. 676 00:34:49,448 --> 00:34:52,586 Robyn and I just, we could work together very well as a team 677 00:34:52,586 --> 00:34:56,827 for what the family needed, but we never had very much of a one-on-one relationship. 678 00:34:56,827 --> 00:34:59,551 And Meri and I struggled so hard for so many years, 679 00:34:59,551 --> 00:35:02,793 I just don't have any desire to keep putting in that effort 680 00:35:02,793 --> 00:35:06,827 to somebody who's so, personality-wise, so different from me. 681 00:35:06,827 --> 00:35:09,206 Everything was great till the last year or so, 682 00:35:09,206 --> 00:35:12,517 and then I began to realize I started changing. 683 00:35:12,517 --> 00:35:16,620 I realized I need something different from a relationship. 684 00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:21,068 And it just doesn't seem to fit the parameters anymore of what we had. 685 00:35:21,068 --> 00:35:23,137 I keep thinking that there should be more drama, 686 00:35:23,137 --> 00:35:26,000 but I'm just kinda like, "I'm ready to do something different." 687 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,206 See, I didn't see him as being heartbroken when I left either. 688 00:35:29,206 --> 00:35:30,379 Yeah. 689 00:35:30,379 --> 00:35:32,620 I mean, I thought he was just angry some of the time, 690 00:35:32,620 --> 00:35:34,068 but didn't seem like he was heartbroken. 691 00:35:34,068 --> 00:35:37,551 See, ours is very amiable. It's very amiable. 692 00:35:38,793 --> 00:35:41,448 How can the amiable? I saw the fight! 693 00:35:42,068 --> 00:35:43,275 Sorry! 694 00:35:43,275 --> 00:35:44,620 - No, you make this excuse forever. - Listen to me. 695 00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:46,000 But I've-- 696 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,965 Shut your [bleep] mouth and let me talk to you for a minute. 697 00:35:47,965 --> 00:35:49,137 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no... 698 00:35:49,137 --> 00:35:51,586 - You stay and talk. - I'm done listening to you. 699 00:35:51,586 --> 00:35:53,206 - Okay, so we're done? - Goodbye. 700 00:35:53,206 --> 00:35:54,310 you. 701 00:35:56,827 --> 00:35:58,172 Kody and I did have a fight. 702 00:35:58,172 --> 00:36:01,000 It was the end of our relationship, our marriage, effectively. 703 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,931 I have to be amiable and functional, 704 00:36:02,931 --> 00:36:05,724 and we work on that level when we need to. 705 00:36:06,965 --> 00:36:10,724 I'm more at peace when he's not around, so... 706 00:36:11,310 --> 00:36:13,034 - Right now? - Yeah. 707 00:36:13,034 --> 00:36:15,172 I need something different. 708 00:36:15,172 --> 00:36:18,068 - I need more of a companion. - Yeah, you do. 709 00:36:18,068 --> 00:36:20,896 But you have to know, I would consider a plural marriage again. 710 00:36:20,896 --> 00:36:23,275 Like, I really... I like it. I like plural marriage. 711 00:36:26,275 --> 00:36:28,241 Listen, I've been jealous about so many things in my life, 712 00:36:28,241 --> 00:36:33,068 but there's just no need to get pre-jealous about Janelle's next relationship. 713 00:36:33,068 --> 00:36:34,827 So that's... 714 00:36:34,827 --> 00:36:36,862 I wouldn't think about that naturally. 715 00:36:36,862 --> 00:36:40,068 It's hard to hear coming from my perspective, 716 00:36:40,068 --> 00:36:42,689 but I wouldn't live polygamy again. 717 00:36:42,689 --> 00:36:44,379 What do you like about it? 718 00:36:44,379 --> 00:36:46,482 - I like my independence-- - Wait, you would consider... 719 00:36:48,241 --> 00:36:49,827 I would consider plural marriage again. 720 00:36:51,241 --> 00:36:53,241 - You really would? - Yeah. 721 00:36:53,241 --> 00:36:56,344 - Do you still believe in the faith part of it? - I do. Yeah, I do. 722 00:36:57,655 --> 00:36:59,586 So just because this relationship hasn't worked out, 723 00:36:59,586 --> 00:37:00,931 that's how most marriages are. 724 00:37:00,931 --> 00:37:02,482 You would live in a plural family again? 725 00:37:02,482 --> 00:37:04,310 Yeah, I would. 726 00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:05,862 But look, it'd have to be one of those things. 727 00:37:05,862 --> 00:37:08,241 Like, when I saw Kody, there was definitely a spiritual... 728 00:37:08,241 --> 00:37:09,724 Like, "Oh, my gosh, you know this guy." 729 00:37:09,724 --> 00:37:10,896 - Right? - Right. 730 00:37:10,896 --> 00:37:13,482 So if something like that happened, sure. Sure. 731 00:37:17,586 --> 00:37:19,310 If a guy had other wives and I married him, 732 00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:20,724 and we happened to be soulmates... 733 00:37:22,931 --> 00:37:24,379 No. 734 00:37:24,379 --> 00:37:27,000 The amount of heartbreak that those other wives are going to go through, 735 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,862 I would never wanna put anybody through that. 736 00:37:30,862 --> 00:37:34,103 Does he know where you're at mentally? Like, you don't care-- 737 00:37:34,103 --> 00:37:37,206 I tell him and I talk to him, but I don't think he... 738 00:37:37,206 --> 00:37:39,068 I don't think he's tracking. Like, he's just not-- 739 00:37:39,068 --> 00:37:41,724 I think he's just a monogamist now. 740 00:37:41,724 --> 00:37:44,344 - Yeah. - He's just a monogamist now. 741 00:37:44,344 --> 00:37:45,862 Yeah. 742 00:37:45,862 --> 00:37:49,965 This is the first time Janelle's agreed with me that Kody lives monogamy. 743 00:37:49,965 --> 00:37:53,034 I mean, it really feels like he's slipped into the role of monogamy, 744 00:37:53,034 --> 00:37:55,241 and I think maybe he did it a while ago 745 00:37:55,241 --> 00:37:57,896 and was just trying to maintain his responsibilities 746 00:37:57,896 --> 00:37:59,310 with his plural family. 747 00:37:59,310 --> 00:38:02,379 If I cared, it would bother me, but I don't care. 748 00:38:03,758 --> 00:38:04,758 I really don't. 749 00:38:06,206 --> 00:38:07,172 They can have each other. 750 00:38:09,827 --> 00:38:12,517 Would you go, like, stay in a marriage with him if things changed? 751 00:38:12,517 --> 00:38:14,379 - Yeah, I would. - Oh, okay. 752 00:38:14,379 --> 00:38:18,965 If he could really, like, fully engage with me as a marriage partner again. 753 00:38:18,965 --> 00:38:20,068 Okay. 754 00:38:20,068 --> 00:38:22,310 Um, like, we've been friends with benefits for years, 755 00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:28,517 and I think I was ready... I'm ready now for something a little bit more... 756 00:38:28,517 --> 00:38:31,000 If he were to give me what I needed in a relationship, 757 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,275 I would stay. 758 00:38:32,275 --> 00:38:37,620 He's not gonna stop being Robyn's husband to be Janelle's. 759 00:38:37,620 --> 00:38:39,758 She has an amazing husband. 760 00:38:40,724 --> 00:38:42,379 From right where you're looking in, 761 00:38:42,379 --> 00:38:46,413 it's everything that I ever wanted in a husband. 762 00:38:46,413 --> 00:38:50,000 Is what Robyn... 763 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,000 Can't even say that 'cause I'm so disgusted by Kody's behavior. 764 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,896 Just disgusted, disappointed, appalled. 765 00:39:00,137 --> 00:39:03,724 I don't understand why Janelle can't be married with me. 766 00:39:03,724 --> 00:39:07,241 'Cause she was married to me when I was married to Meri. 767 00:39:07,241 --> 00:39:10,586 And she was married to me when I was married to Christine. 768 00:39:10,586 --> 00:39:13,551 And she was married to me while I was married to Robyn. 769 00:39:13,551 --> 00:39:15,103 Why not now? 770 00:39:15,103 --> 00:39:17,758 But so my point is, I think plural marriage works 771 00:39:17,758 --> 00:39:23,965 if everybody's really trying to make it work. 772 00:39:23,965 --> 00:39:26,241 I'm gonna encourage you to live plural marriage again, then. 773 00:39:26,241 --> 00:39:29,275 I'm really at a loss because my faith would say 774 00:39:29,275 --> 00:39:33,862 I can't just easily be released or walk away 775 00:39:33,862 --> 00:39:35,827 'cause our marriages are so sacred to us, right? 776 00:39:36,827 --> 00:39:39,965 I can't remarry until I'm released. 777 00:39:39,965 --> 00:39:42,655 That's the idea. That I'm released from my covenants. 778 00:39:42,655 --> 00:39:45,172 But I'm no longer even part of that religious... 779 00:39:47,103 --> 00:39:48,103 community. 780 00:39:48,103 --> 00:39:51,137 There's nobody that I can go to and say, "Hey... 781 00:39:51,137 --> 00:39:53,724 can I be released so I can get married again?" 782 00:39:53,724 --> 00:39:56,586 You have to go through all of these steps to get a release. 783 00:39:56,586 --> 00:39:57,689 And then you're not even fully released 784 00:39:57,689 --> 00:40:00,103 until you have sex with the next guy. 785 00:40:02,620 --> 00:40:05,620 It's not true. Sorry. I can't even... 786 00:40:06,931 --> 00:40:10,310 Usually, our church would say your divorce. 787 00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:12,068 You'd have to go ask for a divorce. 788 00:40:12,068 --> 00:40:14,068 You know, technically, until Christine is physical 789 00:40:14,068 --> 00:40:16,000 with another man, she's not divorced. 790 00:40:19,068 --> 00:40:21,655 It's not true. Sorry. 791 00:40:22,655 --> 00:40:25,103 I've never heard that in my life! 792 00:40:25,103 --> 00:40:28,344 Sorry. It's fine. 793 00:40:28,344 --> 00:40:30,931 There's a lot of steps you do have to follow. 794 00:40:30,931 --> 00:40:32,517 Not everything, though. 795 00:40:32,517 --> 00:40:36,172 Like, I keep saying, "Okay, God, is this what I'm facing? 796 00:40:36,172 --> 00:40:38,275 For years? I mean, what's the deal here?" 797 00:40:38,275 --> 00:40:41,551 But I... So far, I'm happy and I'm content. 798 00:40:41,551 --> 00:40:45,586 But nothing else seems to be happening, so I'm just saying put. 799 00:40:45,586 --> 00:40:47,241 But content. And that's all it is. 800 00:40:47,241 --> 00:40:48,793 - That's good, then. Okay, good. - Yeah. Yeah, so-- 801 00:40:48,793 --> 00:40:50,206 Good. 802 00:40:50,206 --> 00:40:51,896 This tea was good. It's a spice blend. 803 00:40:51,896 --> 00:40:53,137 Yeah, I like this spice tea. 804 00:40:53,137 --> 00:40:54,275 It's hyper spice. 805 00:40:55,586 --> 00:40:57,620 Kody's not gonna change. 806 00:40:57,620 --> 00:41:00,379 Does she really wanna be married to Robyn's husband? 807 00:41:00,379 --> 00:41:02,482 Because that's what it's going to be. 808 00:41:02,482 --> 00:41:04,344 She deserves to have someone who loves her, 809 00:41:04,344 --> 00:41:05,344 who's not going to have... 810 00:41:06,827 --> 00:41:08,620 What did she say? "Benefits? 811 00:41:08,620 --> 00:41:10,103 Friends with benefits", something? 812 00:41:10,103 --> 00:41:11,275 That's not a marriage. 813 00:41:12,206 --> 00:41:14,413 He'll just continue to give her scraps. 814 00:41:16,172 --> 00:41:18,000 I just think Kody is who he is. 815 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,206 I think he's maybe been this guy for a few years 816 00:41:20,206 --> 00:41:24,758 and he was just kind of waiting for everybody to fall off or get away or go away 817 00:41:24,758 --> 00:41:26,344 or for everything to break down, 818 00:41:26,344 --> 00:41:30,551 unless it couldn't be lived in the way he wanted everything to be lived. 819 00:41:30,551 --> 00:41:33,517 He's not pining in any way for the family that he's lost 820 00:41:33,517 --> 00:41:35,206 except for when his ego is involved 821 00:41:35,206 --> 00:41:36,931 and it makes him look bad 822 00:41:36,931 --> 00:41:39,000 that his family is no longer intact. 823 00:41:42,965 --> 00:41:46,793 Based on this conversation, I would say she has not had that defining moment 824 00:41:46,793 --> 00:41:48,724 where she knows that it's over. 825 00:41:48,724 --> 00:41:50,965 She'll know when she's there. 826 00:41:53,103 --> 00:41:55,206 Next time on Sister Wives... 827 00:41:57,068 --> 00:41:58,655 - Are you serious? - Mom knows. Yeah. 828 00:41:58,655 --> 00:42:01,137 Yeah. I'm pregnant. 829 00:42:01,137 --> 00:42:03,275 Thank you. Do you guys wanna see the sonogram? 830 00:42:03,275 --> 00:42:05,206 - Oh, my gosh! Yes! Yes! - Ultrasound? 831 00:42:05,206 --> 00:42:07,206 There is one other major surprise 832 00:42:07,206 --> 00:42:09,068 that I haven't told anyone yet. 833 00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:11,379 So what does the bottom picture look like? 834 00:42:11,379 --> 00:42:13,034 That's not the bottom, that's the top. 835 00:42:13,965 --> 00:42:15,000 What? 836 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:15,965 I mean, yeah. 837 00:42:15,965 --> 00:42:17,862 - What? - Oh, my God! 838 00:42:19,172 --> 00:42:23,551 I was absolutely, A, stressed out and B, taken aback. 839 00:42:23,551 --> 00:42:25,310 It was mind-blowing. 840 00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:28,448 All together, take a seat, and we're gonna eat. 841 00:42:28,448 --> 00:42:32,344 There's a lot of pain from divorce, and the separation of family. 842 00:42:32,344 --> 00:42:37,034 And as a result, there's just what seems to be a mild strain.