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[narrator]
Previously on Sister Wives...
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This whole thing
with Kody and Christine
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has just floored me.
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I'm trying really hard
not to cry.
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Are you angry with her?
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Are you struggling with her?
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It's not what
I would've expected
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from Christine
to just walk away.
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We need to kind of carry
the torch
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'cause he's been kind
of carrying it and he's tired.
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Life is heavy on him,
like he doesn't smile,
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he doesn't laugh.
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I don't recognize him.
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- [Kody] How's it going?
- [Christine] How are you?
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I really, really would like
to have an amiable divorce.
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You know, and be able
to talk to him about stuff.
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I'm not feeling
like I'm in a great place.
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So Gwendlyn's not gonna
be here for Christmas?
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Uh-uh.
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I was sick
during her birthday.
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And you were also out of it.
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She was...
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Was she thinking
that was funny, too?
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What are you gonna do?
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Like, you can either laugh
about things
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or cry about things.
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And if you can't look back
with a sense of humor,
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what a waste.
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Well, I'm not laughing.
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I'm not laughing here.
I'm not laughing.
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I haven't been laughing
with her leaving.
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I'm not married
to him anymore.
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It's so freaking awesome.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[dramatic music playing]
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I've really struggled.
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I've been pretty grouchy.
Very, very angry.
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So you're still, kind of,
angry and stuff?
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[dramatic music playing]
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We were talking with Janelle
the other day.
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I literally lost my [bleep].
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I just survived a really,
really dark place.
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I understand that.
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You don't give
a [bleep] though.
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Look at you dismissing it.
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Okay.
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Would you ever have
any empathy for me?
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[woman]
Can we just keep talking--
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[Kody] When you're in pain,
I try to understand you.
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[woman] Kody.
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[Kody] Janelle,
this is a really bad idea
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for you to walk off
on this one.
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Well, you... All you're doing
is yelling at me.
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Yeah. I've got anger issues.
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I don't wanna be here.
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I don't wanna be here
with her.
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[Christine]
I know that Kody's mad.
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I've known that Kody's
been mad for a long time.
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I mean, it's just obvious.
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He just...
He just is always mad.
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[dramatic music playing]
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Christine herself,
her face doesn't bother me.
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It's what she's doing
with our children,
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talking behind my back
about the reason she left.
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Kody can get mad at me
about a lot of things.
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He can name-call me.
That's just fine.
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When he sits there
and he tells me to my face
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that I am pitting
his children against him.
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No, no. That is not true.
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I am their sounding board.
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They get to talk to me
about things
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that are hard and I listen.
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You get me in the wrong place
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and I'm just venom
and vitriol.
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So sometimes
you still hate me.
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It's okay.
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I don't want you to pretend,
there's no point in that.
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I think
it gives you satisfaction
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if I did hate you.
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- It doesn't.
- Are you sure?
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It's heartbreaking.
It's heartbreaking.
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I really think about him less
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than he thinks
I think about him.
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I don't really even think
about him that much.
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Oh, my gosh.
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I wish I was more
ambivalent but--
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You don't have to pretend.
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I don't want you to pretend,
there's no point in that.
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I drive by your house
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and I'm having these, like,
literally anxiety attacks.
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Coming back to Flagstaff
is hard.
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It's so hard.
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I think she's Machiavellian.
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She plays nice
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while stabbing you
in the back.
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The evil thoughts I had
about you.
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- Yeah, that's okay.
- You know, like,
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you know, but I...
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And I was just, like,
eh, you know?
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So is grief over me
leaving more than anything?
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- It's grief of, um--
- Just that it's over.
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Something's over.
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Hmm. Even more than that.
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It was bigger than that.
It was my big picture.
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It's like he's trying
to blame me
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for destroying his big picture
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but doesn't see
that his actions
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over the course of 10 years
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is what has demolished
his big picture.
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You can't just pick favorites.
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You can't just stay
at one person's house
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and expect to still have
a big picture
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of a big, huge,
happy, big family.
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We don't even
have relationships
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with most of the people
in that picture.
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My relationship
with Christine was bad,
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is bad because of me
and Christine,
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not because of Robyn.
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Well...
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[Christine] I'm really sorry.
This was never my intention.
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She's trying to say
it's heartbreaking.
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She's acting like,
in every way possible,
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that her life is better
than it has ever been.
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I've thought about doing
breakup counseling with you,
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like, hey, we're done.
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Let's get in a place
where we can be functional,
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'cause I don't wanna
sit here and--
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Post-breakup counseling?
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- Yes.
- What for?
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Well, maybe all I need
is grief counseling.
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Well, listen,
I gotta get in a place
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where I don't hate you.
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So I never speak bad
about you to my children.
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- Oh. That'd be great.
- That's my worry.
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If you need to have
some sort of, like,
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post-breakup counseling
with me,
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that's fine.
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The whole thing
is very heartbreaking
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and it's very sad.
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That's why I'm talking
about counseling.
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If we go through
something counseling.
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- Oh, sure.
- We get over it.
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We shake hands.
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We go,
"Hey, have a good life."
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I think counseling
would be good
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for Kody, some...
In one way or another.
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Kody's dealing
with a lot right now.
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I mean a lot.
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I sometimes wonder
how he's able
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to keep his head above water.
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I would do counseling
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with anybody in the family
that wanted to do it with me.
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I would do it with Christine.
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I'm open
to talking to someone.
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I feel like
we're gonna do this
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for the rest of our lives.
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You know,
be in each other's lives
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for the rest of our lives
still just 'cause, you know,
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we have kids together
and everything.
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Well, I'll ask Pat...
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if she's actually
practicing in Utah
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and we can set something up.
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- Sure.
- But I gotta ask a counselor
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- if that's even a good idea.
- [laughs]
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I feel like, yeah,
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I need to figure out
how to forgive her.
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That'd be a good idea.
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But am I ever gonna trust her?
Probably not.
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Kody's been bringing up
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going to counseling
and therapy for years.
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[Christine]
We're not going to do it.
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I'm just gonna
flat out tell you.
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We're just not going to.
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[Robyn] I think sometimes
Kody in his sort of,
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like, optimistic way
of looking at the world,
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his mental sunshine
kind of thing,
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that he sometimes will miss
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some of these red flags.
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Even when Christine
moved his stuff out,
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I really think he thought,
"We'll figure it out."
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[Christine]
For years, I cared.
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For years, I cared.
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Whatever he needed.
Whatever he wanted.
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I wanted to be
the best wife ever.
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Even when it didn't matter
to him,
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I would have done anything
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he needed me to do.
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But I'm done.
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I'm done.
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I'm not going to do a thing
for him anymore.
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I just wanna eventually
be able to just be friends.
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It's more like
how do we move forward
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and be able to be
in each other's company
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and enjoy
each other's company.
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But I'd rather just come
from a sincere place
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of just being friends.
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I don't know if that's naive.
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I don't know either.
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There is no way for me
to enjoy her company.
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I don't understand
that she says that.
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I've seen Kody
over the last few years
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just get angrier and angrier.
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Like, I don't want
to sound like a jerk,
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but he's, like...
I've really...
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Just watching him and...
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seeing how he responds
to things,
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he just seems very angry.
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All right.
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[Christine] Thank you
for meeting out with me.
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Well, okay.
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I don't even know
what to think
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about that conversation.
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Oh, my gosh.
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I'm just super grateful
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that I'm not married
to him anymore.
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Oh, my gosh.
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He's a lot.
He's just so intense.
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I'm gonna take off.
Thanks for lunch.
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- Well, see you...
- Okay. Thank you.
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I'll let you know next time
I come in town with True.
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All righty.
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It'll be like
in a couple weeks.
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- Sounds great.
- All right.
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- Thanks.
- Thank you. Thank you.
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One of the things
that is confusing for me
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is that I don't see
the deal-breakers
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between Kody and Christine,
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but I don't mean
to cast judgment,
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but I...
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And maybe it's just
my perception,
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but I don't see
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where either one of them
did something
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so heinous and horrible
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that it just had to end.
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And I can't seem
to kind of understand.
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[dramatic music playing]
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I just want it to be done.
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I just wanted
to get away from her.
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It was just...
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I don't need any more of this.
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This was their first Thanksgiving
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in their new house
and I really wanted
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to be part of it.
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[Kody] Janelle has decided
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that she'd rather hang out
with Christine.
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We're not working
like a family.
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We're acting like enemies.
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It's Thanksgiving...
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and I'm at Robyn's house
with Meri and the kids.
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I don't have my whole family
together again.
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This is the second
Thanksgiving in a row
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that we are not all together.
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Truely, Ysabel,
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and Paedon and I
are gonna go to Aspyn
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and Mitch's house
for Thanksgiving this year.
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They're lovely hosts.
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I'm super excited.
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They prepare wonderful food.
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- Such a Mom thing to say.
- I'm rubber and you're glue
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- whenever I think them--
- I didn't say that.
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- Everybody said it.
- You said that. You said that.
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I said it
because all of us said it.
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You used to say all the time.
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You'd be like,
and then, we would...
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Then you would insult us
and I'd say it back to you
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and you'd be like
"I already said it."
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Maddie and Caleb just bought
their first house.
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Like dating life,
I'd go, "Excuse me?"
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And you would go,
"Why, did you fart?"
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This was their first Thanksgiving
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in their new house
and I really wanted
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to be part of it.
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So that was an extra
fun bonus.
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[indistinct chatting]
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[Madison] Don't do that.
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[Caleb] You're tenderizing it.
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[Madison] Okay. Look,
we're gonna rub some oil.
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- Okay?
- [Caleb] Rubadub-dub.
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[Madison] Rub that oil on it.
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[Caleb]
You don't wanna rub it?
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[Madison] Rub the oil
all over the breasts.
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[Caleb] Mmm.
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[Madison] All over the skin
and the turkey. Okay?
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My little... My babies
that are there, Maddie, Caleb,
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the grand babies,
Hunter, Savannah, and Ysabel.
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It was really fun.
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Very different
than the Thanksgivings
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I've had for many, many years,
but it was fun.
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Okay.
It's kinda sticky, right?
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It's supposed to be sort of...
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It's supposed to be
sort of sticky?
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Today for Thanksgiving
we're going over
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to Aspyn and Mitch's house.
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We're not filming it
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because it's Mitch's
family's year,
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but Aspyn and Mitch said
that we could come over
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'cause there's just
a few of us.
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Janelle's making
my rolls this year
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for Thanksgiving
at Maddie's house.
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Best compliment ever, right?
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Okay.
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- [Christine] Too much flour.
- What's gonna happen?
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[Christine] Have they already
risen once?
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No.
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The dough
is a little bit sticky,
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but you're supposed
to be able to handle it.
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So if you can't handle
the dough,
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you just need to add
a little bit more flour.
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- Okay.
- [Christine] Oh, it's okay.
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It's okay.
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It was, like,
I almost couldn't--
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[Christine
speaking indistinctly]
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Okay. All right.
315
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So this will be okay.
All right, cool.
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You know,
it's just one more piece
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that makes this Thanksgiving
feel a little bit
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more family oriented
to have Christine.
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Even if it's for just
a little bit to reassure me
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that the rolls are okay.
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- We're serving our kids.
- Do you wanna get maybe--
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There was a piece
where I kept thinking,
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I'm really, really
enjoying myself here.
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Should I feel guilty
that I'm enjoying myself here?
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This represents
a really big break
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in our family tradition.
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I mean, I had all
these mixed thoughts going on,
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but I really was happy
to be here.
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It was a really great day.
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We were having a lot of fun.
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It was just...
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It was perfect really.
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[Christine]
Our family has been hurting
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for a long time.
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We've done our best to...
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be as okay as possible,
337
00:13:58,034 --> 00:14:01,827
but there's still hurt
feelings from 12 years ago.
338
00:14:01,827 --> 00:14:03,724
It's just everything's
been accumulating
339
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and accumulating for years.
340
00:14:05,620 --> 00:14:07,310
It's at a breaking point.
341
00:14:07,310 --> 00:14:10,551
Sorry, it's just
at a breaking point.
342
00:14:10,551 --> 00:14:13,241
The big shakeup
wasn't caused by Robyn.
343
00:14:13,241 --> 00:14:16,517
It was caused by the fallout
of going public.
344
00:14:16,517 --> 00:14:19,275
And that decision
was made by our family
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before we met Robyn.
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00:14:22,137 --> 00:14:24,896
[Janelle] You know, I was set
to have the holidays
347
00:14:24,896 --> 00:14:28,068
with the family here
in Flagstaff.
348
00:14:28,068 --> 00:14:30,862
But there's this huge
looming problem.
349
00:14:30,862 --> 00:14:32,931
You know,
I basically told the kids
350
00:14:32,931 --> 00:14:34,758
what their dad
was requiring of them
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in order to come
to Thanksgiving.
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00:14:37,655 --> 00:14:39,413
That's what I did.
I delivered the facts.
353
00:14:39,413 --> 00:14:43,034
I delivered what he said.
He needs to do something here.
354
00:14:44,241 --> 00:14:45,448
He's the head of the family.
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He wants to be the patriarch.
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This is part of that role.
357
00:14:50,137 --> 00:14:51,379
I made the mistake
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of not managing
my family properly
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00:14:53,689 --> 00:14:55,379
and Christine has left.
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And Janelle has decided
361
00:14:57,310 --> 00:14:59,206
because we're not
in the greatest place
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00:14:59,206 --> 00:15:01,000
that she'd rather hang out
with Christine.
363
00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,931
We're not working
like a family.
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00:15:02,931 --> 00:15:04,413
We're not a family.
365
00:15:05,310 --> 00:15:07,103
We're acting like enemies.
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00:15:10,344 --> 00:15:12,034
[Robyn] We're all separated.
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00:15:12,034 --> 00:15:15,482
Except for Meri and Kody and I
are together with my kids.
368
00:15:16,862 --> 00:15:19,103
You know, my three older kids
when I told them
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00:15:19,103 --> 00:15:22,931
that we were gonna be separate
for Thanksgiving again,
370
00:15:22,931 --> 00:15:25,172
they dealt with feelings
of rejection.
371
00:15:25,172 --> 00:15:28,413
They've dealt with feelings
of hurt and heartbreak.
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00:15:28,413 --> 00:15:31,172
The question was asked
why don't they care
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00:15:32,103 --> 00:15:34,482
and I...
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00:15:40,413 --> 00:15:43,310
They've dealt with that
heartbreak before.
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00:15:45,068 --> 00:15:46,379
To just reminding them
376
00:15:46,379 --> 00:15:48,137
that it's not
necessarily personal,
377
00:15:50,413 --> 00:15:51,793
apologizing to them
378
00:15:51,793 --> 00:15:54,000
for the being innocent parties
in this,
379
00:15:55,689 --> 00:15:57,379
that they're getting hurt
by this.
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00:15:59,241 --> 00:16:00,482
I wish we would've
gotten things
381
00:16:00,482 --> 00:16:02,172
straightened out before now.
382
00:16:03,206 --> 00:16:04,413
There's been a lot of offense,
383
00:16:04,413 --> 00:16:06,241
a lot of struggle,
a lot of heartache.
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00:16:06,241 --> 00:16:07,310
Um...
385
00:16:09,551 --> 00:16:10,689
and I don't...
386
00:16:10,689 --> 00:16:12,379
I don't know
what to do about it.
387
00:16:13,310 --> 00:16:14,931
And I hope that
over the next month
388
00:16:14,931 --> 00:16:15,931
or over the next year,
389
00:16:15,931 --> 00:16:17,793
I can get these things
straightened out
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00:16:17,793 --> 00:16:19,965
and just find peace
and love...
391
00:16:23,206 --> 00:16:24,689
with my family.
392
00:16:24,689 --> 00:16:26,551
Everything's changing.
393
00:16:27,586 --> 00:16:29,758
And I guess I'm at peace.
394
00:16:29,758 --> 00:16:31,931
I'm in a very peaceful mood.
395
00:16:31,931 --> 00:16:34,793
I'm surrounded by people
who are not offended by me
396
00:16:34,793 --> 00:16:35,896
right now.
397
00:16:37,896 --> 00:16:40,379
I'm just sad about it.
398
00:16:40,379 --> 00:16:44,758
I'm just sad about that
this is what our family
399
00:16:44,758 --> 00:16:46,931
has turned into.
400
00:16:46,931 --> 00:16:51,137
Our holidays are not
the big family function
401
00:16:51,137 --> 00:16:52,965
that they used to be.
402
00:16:55,655 --> 00:16:57,000
It's just sad.
403
00:16:58,275 --> 00:17:01,896
More than anything,
I am grateful right now
404
00:17:01,896 --> 00:17:03,655
for where I'm at
405
00:17:03,655 --> 00:17:07,275
that I have love and devotion
406
00:17:07,275 --> 00:17:08,620
with a portion of my family
407
00:17:08,620 --> 00:17:10,931
and I hope that
I can get more of that
408
00:17:12,172 --> 00:17:15,724
from more of my family
as we move on.
409
00:17:17,965 --> 00:17:21,758
I just finally went
why am I trying here?
410
00:17:21,758 --> 00:17:23,275
[Janelle] Everybody
was trying to deflect
411
00:17:23,275 --> 00:17:25,000
but it just kept spiraling.
412
00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,172
And it was done.
413
00:17:27,172 --> 00:17:29,275
With some of the things
that were said and expressed,
414
00:17:29,275 --> 00:17:31,172
I don't know
if we ever come back.
415
00:17:31,172 --> 00:17:32,517
I don't think
Robyn's ever lived
416
00:17:32,517 --> 00:17:35,172
a plural marriage honestly.
417
00:17:45,137 --> 00:17:46,517
We just had
Thanksgiving yesterday
418
00:17:46,517 --> 00:17:50,724
at Aspyn and Mitch's house
and it was lovely.
419
00:17:50,724 --> 00:17:54,724
So last year
was more impactful for me
420
00:17:54,724 --> 00:17:56,103
when we did
Thanksgiving separate
421
00:17:56,103 --> 00:17:57,655
because I was choosing
to just leave
422
00:17:57,655 --> 00:17:59,551
even though I'm still living
in Flagstaff.
423
00:17:59,551 --> 00:18:02,758
But this year is probably
more impactful for Janelle
424
00:18:02,758 --> 00:18:04,689
because I think things...
425
00:18:04,689 --> 00:18:06,931
Well, things are just more
strained between her and Kody
426
00:18:06,931 --> 00:18:08,448
and everybody in Flagstaff
427
00:18:08,448 --> 00:18:10,068
but this year, like...
428
00:18:11,517 --> 00:18:12,517
we're just easygoing.
429
00:18:15,620 --> 00:18:17,448
Paedon came into town
for Thanksgiving
430
00:18:17,448 --> 00:18:20,000
and his favorite meal
is mock tapioca pudding,
431
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,655
so we're going
to make that together.
432
00:18:21,655 --> 00:18:23,620
I'm gonna make him
make it with me.
433
00:18:23,620 --> 00:18:24,896
So separating an egg,
434
00:18:24,896 --> 00:18:26,137
you just carefully
break it in half.
435
00:18:26,137 --> 00:18:28,034
You don't wanna get
any of the yolk
436
00:18:28,034 --> 00:18:30,172
in with the white,
otherwise it won't mix.
437
00:18:30,172 --> 00:18:31,758
Mock tapioca pudding
was a recipe
438
00:18:31,758 --> 00:18:34,344
that I believe
my grandmother gave my mom
439
00:18:34,344 --> 00:18:37,517
and it became a comfort food
for all of us kids.
440
00:18:38,551 --> 00:18:41,344
So I do have to...
How are you...
441
00:18:41,344 --> 00:18:44,413
How are you feeling
about me living here and stuff
442
00:18:44,413 --> 00:18:45,896
and about divorce
and everything?
443
00:18:45,896 --> 00:18:47,241
Mom, I'm so happy
you live here.
444
00:18:47,241 --> 00:18:49,758
No, I love it.
Paedon, you're so happy here.
445
00:18:49,758 --> 00:18:51,517
I never moved to Flagstaff.
446
00:18:51,517 --> 00:18:53,241
I actually moved
to St. George.
447
00:18:53,241 --> 00:18:54,413
I started working
in St. George
448
00:18:54,413 --> 00:18:55,827
and then I joined
the military.
449
00:18:55,827 --> 00:18:58,344
I believe
I was at basic training
450
00:18:58,344 --> 00:19:01,448
when everybody moved
to Flagstaff.
451
00:19:01,448 --> 00:19:03,931
Paedon's my only son,
like, biologically
452
00:19:03,931 --> 00:19:05,206
and he's right smack dab
453
00:19:05,206 --> 00:19:06,793
in the middle
of all these girls.
454
00:19:06,793 --> 00:19:09,827
Um, and he's actually doing
really well in life right now.
455
00:19:09,827 --> 00:19:12,000
He lives in St. George, Utah.
It's about four hours away.
456
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,068
There's always a lot
to catch up on.
457
00:19:14,068 --> 00:19:16,172
There's a lot...
Always a lot to talk about.
458
00:19:16,172 --> 00:19:17,172
And he's a talker.
459
00:19:17,172 --> 00:19:19,034
He just loves to sit
and have conversations.
460
00:19:23,758 --> 00:19:27,000
So, yeah, it was just,
it was time to leave
461
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,103
and it was only, like... Yeah.
462
00:19:30,103 --> 00:19:31,413
And I told him
I couldn't be, yeah,
463
00:19:31,413 --> 00:19:33,310
and, like,
I just wanna be friends.
464
00:19:33,310 --> 00:19:34,344
I just wanna be friends
with you.
465
00:19:34,344 --> 00:19:36,137
I think we're better friends
than anything else
466
00:19:36,137 --> 00:19:37,586
and I just wanna be friends.
467
00:19:37,586 --> 00:19:39,896
And his relationship
with you kids,
468
00:19:39,896 --> 00:19:42,517
I always hope it gets better.
469
00:19:42,517 --> 00:19:43,931
Like, what do you think
about that?
470
00:19:48,206 --> 00:19:50,068
Sorry. I didn't... Yeah.
471
00:19:50,068 --> 00:19:51,379
- It's--
- I know.
472
00:19:51,379 --> 00:19:52,896
No, Mom, it's okay.
473
00:19:52,896 --> 00:19:55,413
And it's meant a lot to me
to hear Mom open about this.
474
00:19:55,413 --> 00:19:57,689
Not just talk about it,
but talk with me about it
475
00:19:57,689 --> 00:20:00,344
knowing that she trusts me
with this information.
476
00:20:00,344 --> 00:20:01,965
[Christine]
So Dad's had COVID now.
477
00:20:01,965 --> 00:20:04,379
Robyn's had COVID.
They've all had COVID now.
478
00:20:04,379 --> 00:20:06,034
They got very, very,
very sick,
479
00:20:06,034 --> 00:20:07,241
sicker than most people get.
So--
480
00:20:07,241 --> 00:20:09,068
It's because their
immune systems are terrible.
481
00:20:09,068 --> 00:20:10,724
- [Christine] Stop it.
- Okay. Okay.
482
00:20:10,724 --> 00:20:12,206
All right. Stop it.
483
00:20:12,206 --> 00:20:15,206
His sarcasm is not helping
his anger.
484
00:20:15,206 --> 00:20:17,172
He's just been sarcastic
485
00:20:17,172 --> 00:20:18,551
and I don't want him
to be rude.
486
00:20:18,551 --> 00:20:20,620
Him just saying, yeah,
and they lived,
487
00:20:20,620 --> 00:20:21,620
that's not fair.
488
00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:24,034
Dad didn't really like
what I was choosing
489
00:20:24,034 --> 00:20:26,379
but I had...
490
00:20:26,379 --> 00:20:29,758
I make the choices
that I make because I--
491
00:20:30,862 --> 00:20:33,206
My mom's kids
and Janelle's kids
492
00:20:33,206 --> 00:20:34,896
have chosen a side.
493
00:20:34,896 --> 00:20:37,172
To the best of my knowledge,
all of us chose my mom.
494
00:20:37,172 --> 00:20:41,310
Okay. Dad and choosing
Robyn's family for Christmas
495
00:20:41,310 --> 00:20:44,206
because we want to do
a Zoom call.
496
00:20:44,206 --> 00:20:47,241
That whole thing
got blown up
out of perspective completely,
497
00:20:47,241 --> 00:20:49,344
and I'm hoping that
that one can get fixed.
498
00:20:51,241 --> 00:20:53,000
[Paedon] A few weeks ago,
Logan texted
499
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,931
a group chat of the siblings
500
00:20:54,931 --> 00:20:57,137
that he wants to do
a sibling gift exchange.
501
00:20:57,137 --> 00:20:58,517
And somebody said, okay,
502
00:20:58,517 --> 00:21:00,068
let's tell all the parents
about this.
503
00:21:00,068 --> 00:21:02,620
And Robyn gets involved
in the conversation
504
00:21:02,620 --> 00:21:04,206
and says
let's do a video chat.
505
00:21:05,275 --> 00:21:06,310
[Janelle]
It's hard for the kids
506
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:08,586
to just jump on a call
at the drop of a hat.
507
00:21:08,586 --> 00:21:09,758
They're not opposed to it.
508
00:21:09,758 --> 00:21:11,241
They just wanna
have it scheduled.
509
00:21:11,241 --> 00:21:12,448
They were amiable.
510
00:21:12,448 --> 00:21:13,827
They just didn't see
511
00:21:13,827 --> 00:21:15,551
how they could
make it really work.
512
00:21:15,551 --> 00:21:19,793
I was pushing
for the video chat
513
00:21:19,793 --> 00:21:21,586
for the sake of the kids.
514
00:21:21,586 --> 00:21:23,517
When I was getting
all this pushback,
515
00:21:23,517 --> 00:21:25,413
I just finally went,
516
00:21:25,413 --> 00:21:27,482
"Why am I trying here?"
517
00:21:27,482 --> 00:21:29,965
And I was like,
"Fine, I'm out."
518
00:21:29,965 --> 00:21:32,000
You know,
this is an effort in futility.
519
00:21:34,758 --> 00:21:35,965
[Christine]
So we're even at one point,
520
00:21:35,965 --> 00:21:37,344
she said my kids
don't even remember
521
00:21:37,344 --> 00:21:38,862
who their siblings are.
522
00:21:38,862 --> 00:21:40,551
And Hunter was like,
one video call
523
00:21:40,551 --> 00:21:42,068
is not gonna help that.
524
00:21:44,275 --> 00:21:46,379
And it got blown out
of proportion
525
00:21:46,379 --> 00:21:50,068
that they didn't
wanna hang out
526
00:21:50,068 --> 00:21:52,137
and then suddenly
no one wanted to hang out
527
00:21:52,137 --> 00:21:53,241
and then
all of these hurt feelings
528
00:21:53,241 --> 00:21:55,551
about when Robyn first came
into the family
529
00:21:55,551 --> 00:21:59,482
and came out
and, it's like oh, my gosh.
530
00:21:59,482 --> 00:22:01,482
Then it just turned
into this whole big,
531
00:22:01,482 --> 00:22:05,137
like, kind of squabble
532
00:22:05,137 --> 00:22:07,586
between my kids
533
00:22:07,586 --> 00:22:10,724
and a bunch of the other kids.
534
00:22:10,724 --> 00:22:14,586
It really just got blown out
of proportion I think.
535
00:22:17,793 --> 00:22:20,448
Everyone's
emotions just ran super high.
536
00:22:20,448 --> 00:22:22,000
Gwendlyn tried
to lighten it all up
537
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,896
and that went really bad.
538
00:22:23,896 --> 00:22:25,551
Everybody was trying
to deflect
539
00:22:25,551 --> 00:22:27,241
but it just kept spiraling.
540
00:22:28,275 --> 00:22:29,448
And it was done.
541
00:22:29,448 --> 00:22:31,448
With some of the things
that were said and expressed,
542
00:22:31,448 --> 00:22:34,000
I don't know
if we ever come back from it.
543
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,965
[Kody] So when this
text thread was going on,
544
00:22:35,965 --> 00:22:37,310
I was just ignoring it.
545
00:22:37,310 --> 00:22:39,379
I wasn't gonna pick sides
one way or the other.
546
00:22:39,379 --> 00:22:41,034
Janelle and Christine's kids
have already chosen
547
00:22:41,034 --> 00:22:42,206
Janelle and Christine.
548
00:22:42,206 --> 00:22:44,275
I always wanted
to have the family
549
00:22:44,275 --> 00:22:45,448
have Christmas together.
550
00:22:46,862 --> 00:22:48,689
It was a horrible day.
551
00:22:50,965 --> 00:22:53,206
I think Robyn jumped
to conclusions too fast.
552
00:22:54,586 --> 00:22:56,379
It's just another example
553
00:22:56,379 --> 00:22:59,620
of them not wanting
to be a family with us.
554
00:22:59,620 --> 00:23:01,689
It's been like this
from the beginning.
555
00:23:04,172 --> 00:23:06,586
By the time the whole thing
was over with,
556
00:23:06,586 --> 00:23:09,482
my older kids Dayton,
Aurora, and Breanna,
557
00:23:09,482 --> 00:23:10,965
did not feel comfortable
558
00:23:10,965 --> 00:23:13,172
being involved
in the gift exchange anymore.
559
00:23:13,172 --> 00:23:14,620
My children came away saying,
560
00:23:14,620 --> 00:23:16,103
"Look,
what the heck happened?"
561
00:23:16,103 --> 00:23:17,965
When we first went public,
562
00:23:17,965 --> 00:23:19,275
the purpose of going public
563
00:23:19,275 --> 00:23:22,241
was to say polygamy works.
564
00:23:22,241 --> 00:23:24,275
I don't think it works
in my family anymore.
565
00:23:25,758 --> 00:23:28,655
My kids and I think
it's heartbreaking and stupid
566
00:23:28,655 --> 00:23:30,758
because we don't understand.
567
00:23:34,517 --> 00:23:38,827
And here it is just another
reaffirmation of everything,
568
00:23:38,827 --> 00:23:41,862
all the messages we're getting
569
00:23:41,862 --> 00:23:45,310
that we're the outsiders
and we're on the other side.
570
00:23:46,448 --> 00:23:47,724
We're not.
571
00:23:47,724 --> 00:23:48,827
We refuse to be.
572
00:23:48,827 --> 00:23:50,896
We don't know what else to do.
573
00:23:50,896 --> 00:23:54,172
I know that you kids
have really struggled
574
00:23:54,172 --> 00:23:55,137
with his choices.
575
00:23:55,137 --> 00:23:56,448
It's very frustrating.
576
00:23:56,448 --> 00:23:57,413
[Christine] I know.
577
00:23:57,413 --> 00:23:58,551
I'm trying to, like, make it
578
00:23:58,551 --> 00:24:00,482
so he can have a relationship
with his dad.
579
00:24:01,620 --> 00:24:03,896
But his dad has picked sides.
580
00:24:03,896 --> 00:24:06,172
His dad is doing Christmas
with Robyn and her kids
581
00:24:06,172 --> 00:24:07,206
and Meri.
582
00:24:07,206 --> 00:24:09,034
But he's picked sides.
583
00:24:09,034 --> 00:24:10,448
In front of Paedon,
I'm gonna say I think
584
00:24:10,448 --> 00:24:11,413
we can work all this out.
585
00:24:11,413 --> 00:24:13,103
I think everything's
going to be fine.
586
00:24:13,103 --> 00:24:14,379
Is it going to be?
587
00:24:14,379 --> 00:24:15,206
No.
588
00:24:21,172 --> 00:24:21,827
Yeah.
589
00:24:22,517 --> 00:24:23,448
Yeah.
590
00:24:31,206 --> 00:24:32,620
Yeah, good.
591
00:24:32,620 --> 00:24:33,655
Good.
592
00:24:33,655 --> 00:24:36,310
It's really important
for wives and mothers
593
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:40,275
to help those relationships
594
00:24:40,275 --> 00:24:42,413
that the dad has
with his children
595
00:24:42,413 --> 00:24:44,931
because he's not there
all the time.
596
00:24:44,931 --> 00:24:47,862
It is my responsibility
to be a mom
597
00:24:47,862 --> 00:24:50,103
and to be a mother
and it's my favorite thing
598
00:24:50,103 --> 00:24:52,068
that I do in this life.
599
00:24:52,068 --> 00:24:53,896
It's his responsibility
600
00:24:53,896 --> 00:24:55,793
to create a good relationship
with his children
601
00:24:55,793 --> 00:24:57,758
and it always has been.
602
00:24:57,758 --> 00:25:00,103
You have an amazing friend
603
00:25:00,103 --> 00:25:01,310
and...
604
00:25:03,103 --> 00:25:03,965
it's not like where you are.
605
00:25:03,965 --> 00:25:05,517
Thank you.
606
00:25:05,517 --> 00:25:07,241
I love it.
607
00:25:07,241 --> 00:25:11,758
Once again, I feel like
our family is just dividing.
608
00:25:11,758 --> 00:25:15,275
I think we're looking at
a permanent separation.
609
00:25:15,275 --> 00:25:16,448
All right. Thank you.
610
00:25:16,448 --> 00:25:17,482
Hey, when are you
moving up here
611
00:25:17,482 --> 00:25:18,379
since we're up here now?
612
00:25:18,379 --> 00:25:19,344
- A while.
- Yeah?
613
00:25:19,344 --> 00:25:20,137
It'll be... It'll be a minute.
614
00:25:20,137 --> 00:25:21,241
I know you have
your commitments.
615
00:25:21,241 --> 00:25:22,448
- It's fine.
- Yeah, a few commitments.
616
00:25:22,448 --> 00:25:23,413
It's always nice to see you.
617
00:25:26,965 --> 00:25:28,413
I don't think
Robyn's ever lived
618
00:25:28,413 --> 00:25:30,689
plural marriage honestly.
619
00:25:31,655 --> 00:25:32,896
Because as soon as...
620
00:25:32,896 --> 00:25:34,034
as soon as she came
to the family,
621
00:25:34,034 --> 00:25:36,241
even before
they got married...
622
00:25:36,241 --> 00:25:37,758
I just don't wanna
go down that route.
623
00:25:37,758 --> 00:25:42,206
It just doesn't help
with anything.
624
00:25:42,206 --> 00:25:44,034
I left Kody
625
00:25:44,034 --> 00:25:46,344
because I could see
he had favorites.
626
00:25:46,344 --> 00:25:49,931
Well, when you have a wife
that's a favorite,
627
00:25:49,931 --> 00:25:51,724
your other kids are gonna see
628
00:25:51,724 --> 00:25:53,827
and they're gonna have
a hard time with that.
629
00:25:53,827 --> 00:25:55,965
It doesn't mean that they
don't accept her
630
00:25:55,965 --> 00:25:58,448
but they don't accept as much
as Kody did then I guess.
631
00:25:58,448 --> 00:26:00,310
Just... God.
632
00:26:04,517 --> 00:26:06,413
[Robyn] You're gonna go in
and get your ears pierced.
633
00:26:06,413 --> 00:26:07,655
How are you feeling right now?
634
00:26:07,655 --> 00:26:10,275
I'm feeling very anxious.
635
00:26:10,275 --> 00:26:11,896
I kind of have
a confession to make,
636
00:26:11,896 --> 00:26:13,137
is, I went
and got my ear pierced
637
00:26:13,137 --> 00:26:14,517
when I was a sophomore
in high school.
638
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:15,896
What?
639
00:26:25,275 --> 00:26:26,896
[Kody] We're fumbling
through the holidays.
640
00:26:26,896 --> 00:26:28,448
And it's been really sad
641
00:26:28,448 --> 00:26:30,517
because we didn't all gather
for Thanksgiving.
642
00:26:30,517 --> 00:26:31,965
It seems like
643
00:26:31,965 --> 00:26:35,034
there's this lack of
real desire to get together.
644
00:26:35,034 --> 00:26:36,206
But right now, I'm excited
645
00:26:36,206 --> 00:26:37,724
about my experience
with Aurora
646
00:26:37,724 --> 00:26:39,965
and I'm looking forward
to that.
647
00:26:39,965 --> 00:26:41,896
- [Robyn] Aurora,
you're gonna go in...
- [Aurora] Yes.
648
00:26:41,896 --> 00:26:43,068
and get your pierced.
649
00:26:43,068 --> 00:26:44,379
How are you feeling right now?
650
00:26:44,379 --> 00:26:47,068
I'm feeling very anxious,
651
00:26:47,068 --> 00:26:50,482
butterflies in my stomach
but I'm very excited.
652
00:26:50,482 --> 00:26:53,241
I used to have an unfavorable
opinion about ear piercing.
653
00:26:53,241 --> 00:26:55,379
The original paradigm
that we were coming from
654
00:26:55,379 --> 00:26:57,103
and our family agreement was
655
00:26:57,103 --> 00:26:58,344
that we wouldn't
have piercings.
656
00:27:02,965 --> 00:27:05,620
When I first married Meri,
she didn't have pierced ears.
657
00:27:06,517 --> 00:27:08,965
And her mother and I
chatted about it
658
00:27:08,965 --> 00:27:10,275
and Meri's mom was like...
659
00:27:10,275 --> 00:27:14,034
Grandma Bonnie, was like
piercing ears is against,
660
00:27:14,034 --> 00:27:15,413
you know, the gospel,
661
00:27:15,413 --> 00:27:16,586
the word of the gospel, like,
662
00:27:16,586 --> 00:27:17,862
you're not supposed to
pierce ears.
663
00:27:17,862 --> 00:27:20,137
I know that in the church
that I grew up in,
664
00:27:20,137 --> 00:27:23,068
that was, like, a big thing.
665
00:27:23,068 --> 00:27:24,448
You just don't
pierce your ears.
666
00:27:24,448 --> 00:27:26,793
If God had wanted holes
in your ears,
667
00:27:26,793 --> 00:27:28,793
He would've put them
there Himself,
668
00:27:29,413 --> 00:27:30,379
you know?
669
00:27:33,448 --> 00:27:34,931
Jill's coming
into the family, hey,
670
00:27:34,931 --> 00:27:36,896
you know, we're not
gonna have pierced ears
671
00:27:36,896 --> 00:27:39,172
because our church leaders
don't like it, you know.
672
00:27:41,068 --> 00:27:42,896
[Janelle] I even took
my earrings out
673
00:27:42,896 --> 00:27:44,448
and I know it seems
like a silly thing
674
00:27:44,448 --> 00:27:46,586
but you know what,
when you're trying to live...
675
00:27:47,586 --> 00:27:50,000
righteously and have a faith
676
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,344
and you wanna
embrace your faith,
677
00:27:52,344 --> 00:27:54,310
there are little
things like that.
678
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:56,793
When I met Christine,
she had two piercings
679
00:27:56,793 --> 00:28:00,034
and I'm kind of weird about...
680
00:28:00,034 --> 00:28:01,862
Squeamish about piercings
in a way,
681
00:28:01,862 --> 00:28:04,413
so, like, two piercings
was like, oh, too much.
682
00:28:04,413 --> 00:28:06,172
He told me
how he hated earrings
683
00:28:06,172 --> 00:28:07,896
and I had two on each ear,
684
00:28:07,896 --> 00:28:10,724
so I stopped wearing earrings
forever ago.
685
00:28:10,724 --> 00:28:12,482
[upbeat music playing]
686
00:28:12,482 --> 00:28:13,793
I wanna do my family right,
687
00:28:13,793 --> 00:28:15,172
you know, we're gonna
"play by the rules"
688
00:28:15,172 --> 00:28:16,000
type of thing.
689
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,482
And then Robyn
comes to the family
690
00:28:17,482 --> 00:28:18,689
and Robyn's got piercings
691
00:28:18,689 --> 00:28:20,172
and her dad
took her to get 'em.
692
00:28:23,655 --> 00:28:26,275
[Robyn] He told me
that his other wives
693
00:28:26,275 --> 00:28:28,482
had given up their earrings.
694
00:28:28,482 --> 00:28:30,137
And it was
right around Christmas
695
00:28:30,137 --> 00:28:32,758
and I found out what a grump
he was through Christmas,
696
00:28:32,758 --> 00:28:34,655
and he hated
the commercialism
697
00:28:34,655 --> 00:28:35,827
surrounding Christmas.
698
00:28:35,827 --> 00:28:37,931
And it was always
like this pressure
699
00:28:37,931 --> 00:28:40,551
to make sure that everybody
got something special.
700
00:28:40,551 --> 00:28:42,448
And so I made him a deal.
701
00:28:42,448 --> 00:28:44,586
I will take out my earrings
702
00:28:44,586 --> 00:28:46,793
and I'll never
wear them again
703
00:28:46,793 --> 00:28:49,620
if you'll be happy and jolly,
704
00:28:49,620 --> 00:28:53,172
you know, it's from
Thanksgiving until New Year's.
705
00:28:53,172 --> 00:28:55,103
My attitude
gradually changed about it.
706
00:28:55,103 --> 00:28:56,931
Robyn started the...
707
00:28:56,931 --> 00:28:58,344
My sister wives' closet
708
00:28:58,344 --> 00:28:59,655
and I went, "Hey,
this whole earring thing
709
00:28:59,655 --> 00:29:00,862
has gotten stupid."
710
00:29:00,862 --> 00:29:03,689
So I'm okay with, you know,
711
00:29:03,689 --> 00:29:05,448
like I don't want
a whole bunch of piercings,
712
00:29:05,448 --> 00:29:06,793
but with piercings.
713
00:29:06,793 --> 00:29:07,862
Kody got over it
714
00:29:07,862 --> 00:29:09,758
'cause I mean,
I'm obviously wearing them.
715
00:29:09,758 --> 00:29:12,620
I don't know
what changed for him.
716
00:29:12,620 --> 00:29:14,310
I just decided
I really liked them
717
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:15,482
and I was gonna
put them back in.
718
00:29:16,586 --> 00:29:18,379
And I was over 18,
719
00:29:18,379 --> 00:29:20,034
so I wasn't
breaking any rules.
720
00:29:20,034 --> 00:29:22,241
And, you know,
Kody didn't really care,
721
00:29:22,241 --> 00:29:23,827
but he...
We still kind of felt
722
00:29:23,827 --> 00:29:25,689
like we needed to enforce
the same rules
723
00:29:25,689 --> 00:29:27,344
for the older kids
as we did the younger kids
724
00:29:27,344 --> 00:29:28,827
so we kind of held to the 18.
725
00:29:28,827 --> 00:29:31,379
I still don't have
pierced ears.
726
00:29:31,379 --> 00:29:33,827
That is purely
just because of my skin,
727
00:29:33,827 --> 00:29:35,137
I'm allergic to all medals,
728
00:29:35,137 --> 00:29:37,172
so I'm just not
gonna mess with it.
729
00:29:37,172 --> 00:29:39,379
This will be the first time
730
00:29:39,379 --> 00:29:41,965
I've ever gone
with one of my daughters
731
00:29:41,965 --> 00:29:43,241
to get their ears pierced.
732
00:29:43,241 --> 00:29:44,724
For some reason
it never occurred to me
733
00:29:44,724 --> 00:29:45,931
that my mom
wanted to pierce...
734
00:29:45,931 --> 00:29:47,344
Get my ears pierced.
735
00:29:47,344 --> 00:29:49,896
I allowed myself to think
about it for myself.
736
00:29:49,896 --> 00:29:51,758
And then me and Dad
started talking about it
737
00:29:51,758 --> 00:29:54,206
and had this big huge
conversation about it,
738
00:29:54,206 --> 00:29:56,000
and so now we are here.
739
00:29:56,724 --> 00:29:58,206
[Robyn] Woo-hoo.
740
00:29:58,206 --> 00:30:01,310
She was completely bought into
what I was saying
741
00:30:01,310 --> 00:30:02,655
and she thought about it a lot
742
00:30:02,655 --> 00:30:03,931
and discussed it with me
and her mom
743
00:30:03,931 --> 00:30:05,448
and said, "I wanna do it."
744
00:30:06,586 --> 00:30:08,034
It's kind of the benchmark
745
00:30:08,034 --> 00:30:10,965
'cause Aurora wasn't going to
pierce her ears
746
00:30:10,965 --> 00:30:12,689
out of respect for me.
747
00:30:12,689 --> 00:30:15,862
And I didn't want my daughters
having their ears pierced.
748
00:30:15,862 --> 00:30:19,310
And my value
or my perspective on that
749
00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:20,793
has changed completely.
750
00:30:20,793 --> 00:30:23,793
And so now
I'm going with Aurora,
751
00:30:23,793 --> 00:30:24,931
kind of like a...
752
00:30:24,931 --> 00:30:26,586
Sort of a...
753
00:30:26,586 --> 00:30:28,793
An experience,
a daddy-daughter experience,
754
00:30:28,793 --> 00:30:31,586
and we're gonna go
get her ears pierced.
755
00:30:32,448 --> 00:30:34,482
Because of
the COVID restrictions,
756
00:30:34,482 --> 00:30:36,034
Robyn and I both can't go.
757
00:30:36,034 --> 00:30:37,344
They'll only allow me to...
758
00:30:37,344 --> 00:30:39,586
Or one of us to go,
and Aurora picked me.
759
00:30:39,586 --> 00:30:41,655
And to be honest with you,
maybe Robyn
760
00:30:41,655 --> 00:30:43,137
might have promoted this
a little bit
761
00:30:43,137 --> 00:30:44,896
because she has
this real great memory
762
00:30:44,896 --> 00:30:46,275
of her and her dad
763
00:30:46,275 --> 00:30:47,862
going and getting
her ears pierced.
764
00:30:47,862 --> 00:30:48,896
You're getting nervous.
765
00:30:48,896 --> 00:30:49,965
I could tell
you're all almost like shaky.
766
00:30:49,965 --> 00:30:50,965
I am very nervous.
767
00:30:50,965 --> 00:30:51,862
All right.
Well, let's go do it.
768
00:30:51,862 --> 00:30:53,172
But I am all right
with needles,
769
00:30:53,172 --> 00:30:54,620
so I think I'll be okay.
770
00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:55,551
It won't...
It won't take long.
771
00:30:55,551 --> 00:30:56,931
- Let's go.
- Okay.
772
00:30:56,931 --> 00:30:58,793
[Kody]
I'll be honest, I don't know
773
00:30:58,793 --> 00:31:00,655
when all my older daughters,
774
00:31:00,655 --> 00:31:02,068
when they got
their ears pierced.
775
00:31:02,068 --> 00:31:03,517
I don't know if they did it,
776
00:31:03,517 --> 00:31:04,758
you know,
while they're still home.
777
00:31:04,758 --> 00:31:06,275
I don't... I don't
actually remember.
778
00:31:06,275 --> 00:31:08,172
I think all of our children,
779
00:31:08,172 --> 00:31:10,379
all of our girls
waited until they were 18
780
00:31:10,379 --> 00:31:11,551
to pierce their ears.
781
00:31:11,551 --> 00:31:13,103
[mellow music playing]
782
00:31:13,103 --> 00:31:15,344
Kody had me on a video call,
783
00:31:15,344 --> 00:31:17,724
so I got to watch her grimace.
784
00:31:22,448 --> 00:31:25,758
I've had a deep appreciation
for how much
785
00:31:25,758 --> 00:31:28,379
Aurora has respected
my authority as the father
786
00:31:28,379 --> 00:31:29,344
and the head of our home.
787
00:31:32,517 --> 00:31:35,000
I just appreciate the respect
she's given me on that level.
788
00:31:35,551 --> 00:31:36,620
[Robyn] Wow.
789
00:31:37,275 --> 00:31:38,931
[laughs] Let me see.
790
00:31:39,551 --> 00:31:40,482
Wow.
791
00:31:40,482 --> 00:31:42,068
That is so cool.
792
00:31:44,241 --> 00:31:47,896
It was just really cute
and fun and it was...
793
00:31:47,896 --> 00:31:50,689
And Kody being so sweet
and positive about it,
794
00:31:50,689 --> 00:31:52,827
it would've been so fun
to have him
795
00:31:52,827 --> 00:31:55,206
have this experience
with each of his girls.
796
00:31:55,206 --> 00:31:56,862
I kind of have
a confession to make,
797
00:31:56,862 --> 00:31:58,137
is, I went
and got my ear pierced
798
00:31:58,137 --> 00:31:59,206
when I was a sophomore
in high school.
799
00:31:59,206 --> 00:32:00,965
[laughs] What?
800
00:32:00,965 --> 00:32:01,965
You did?
801
00:32:01,965 --> 00:32:03,034
Now you cut.
802
00:32:04,517 --> 00:32:05,310
What?
803
00:32:06,862 --> 00:32:08,931
You little hypocrite.
804
00:32:10,724 --> 00:32:11,965
[Kody] So, yeah,
I got my ear pierced
805
00:32:11,965 --> 00:32:13,379
when I was a sophomore
in high school.
806
00:32:14,931 --> 00:32:16,896
Yeah. I knew Kody
had a pierced ear.
807
00:32:16,896 --> 00:32:17,931
Like he was so...
808
00:32:17,931 --> 00:32:19,862
Like, he wanted
to be the rock star.
809
00:32:19,862 --> 00:32:20,931
Kody was in this small town
810
00:32:20,931 --> 00:32:22,482
and he wanted to be
the big town guy
811
00:32:22,482 --> 00:32:24,931
and I think
he just was like...
812
00:32:24,931 --> 00:32:26,482
He was trying to be that guy.
813
00:32:26,482 --> 00:32:28,241
I remember Kody telling me
814
00:32:28,241 --> 00:32:29,793
that he got one
of his ears pierced
815
00:32:29,793 --> 00:32:30,586
when he was in high school.
816
00:32:30,586 --> 00:32:32,275
I feel like I could be wrong,
817
00:32:32,275 --> 00:32:34,241
but I feel like it was like
kind of a dare.
818
00:32:34,241 --> 00:32:37,034
My sister and I
are at a jewelry store
819
00:32:37,034 --> 00:32:38,862
in a shopping mall
820
00:32:38,862 --> 00:32:41,655
and we're with one of her
girlfriends or something.
821
00:32:41,655 --> 00:32:43,034
I'm like, "Dare me to do it."
822
00:32:43,034 --> 00:32:44,551
And my sister
doesn't even say anything.
823
00:32:44,551 --> 00:32:45,620
And then I do it and I'm like,
824
00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:48,172
"Well, you dared me,"
you know? [laughs]
825
00:32:48,172 --> 00:32:49,655
Got it on Saturday night.
826
00:32:49,655 --> 00:32:51,689
I did my best to hide it.
827
00:32:51,689 --> 00:32:53,172
Monday, I wore it to school,
828
00:32:53,172 --> 00:32:55,137
I had my heyday, took it out,
829
00:32:55,137 --> 00:32:56,758
made my mom cry.
830
00:32:58,551 --> 00:32:59,931
I had a lot of fun
831
00:32:59,931 --> 00:33:02,000
going with Aurora
and getting her ears pierced.
832
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,448
It'll be a memory
locked in forever,
833
00:33:04,448 --> 00:33:06,724
just like the memory
of when I got my ear pierced
834
00:33:06,724 --> 00:33:09,413
and I'm glad I don't have
a pierced ear anymore.
835
00:33:10,827 --> 00:33:13,379
[mellow music playing]
836
00:33:13,379 --> 00:33:14,965
I don't know
what the future is
837
00:33:14,965 --> 00:33:16,000
for Kody and I.
838
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,344
He's getting...
angrier and angrier
839
00:33:20,344 --> 00:33:21,793
and he's getting
sharper and sharper,
840
00:33:21,793 --> 00:33:23,758
and more black and white
with me.
841
00:33:23,758 --> 00:33:25,448
Gosh. I mean, her and Kody,
842
00:33:25,448 --> 00:33:27,310
I didn't think
they were that bad.
843
00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:39,689
[Christine] I go to Flagstaff
every 10 to 14 days.
844
00:33:39,689 --> 00:33:41,793
It's just business related
and then it's really nice
845
00:33:41,793 --> 00:33:44,000
'cause then I can see
Janelle, and Savanah,
846
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,689
and Gwendlyn, Gabe
and the boys and stuff,
847
00:33:45,689 --> 00:33:48,206
and it's awesome
to see everybody.
848
00:33:48,206 --> 00:33:49,689
- Hey.
- [Janelle] Oh, hey.
849
00:33:49,689 --> 00:33:52,172
So I just had to order
this new Christmas tree
850
00:33:52,172 --> 00:33:53,103
'cause, well, the...
851
00:33:53,103 --> 00:33:55,103
Mine is way too big
for this apartment.
852
00:33:55,103 --> 00:33:56,310
- You got a tree.
- Yes.
853
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:57,448
- Is it pre-lit and everything?
- Yes.
854
00:33:57,448 --> 00:33:58,793
- [gasps]
- 'Cause I've decided life...
855
00:33:58,793 --> 00:33:59,965
- Oh, my gosh.
- is too short
856
00:33:59,965 --> 00:34:01,241
to wrap your own lights.
857
00:34:01,241 --> 00:34:02,275
I adore Janelle.
858
00:34:02,275 --> 00:34:04,862
I'm so glad that I have
a friendship with her.
859
00:34:04,862 --> 00:34:07,413
Janelle and I
got closer and closer...
860
00:34:08,724 --> 00:34:11,172
really a lot
since we moved to Flagstaff.
861
00:34:12,068 --> 00:34:13,586
And with me leaving,
862
00:34:13,586 --> 00:34:15,172
she's just been so supportive.
863
00:34:15,172 --> 00:34:17,586
I've been there for her
like she has been for me
864
00:34:17,586 --> 00:34:19,862
'cause she's been extremely
865
00:34:19,862 --> 00:34:21,172
supportive of me leaving.
866
00:34:21,172 --> 00:34:22,655
- It was fun.
- So you had
a fun Thanksgiving?
867
00:34:22,655 --> 00:34:23,620
- Yeah, it was fun.
- And Ysabel,
868
00:34:23,620 --> 00:34:24,586
how's Ysabel doing?
869
00:34:24,586 --> 00:34:25,620
- Good.
- Is she okay?
870
00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:26,793
- Yeah. She is.
- Okay, good.
871
00:34:26,793 --> 00:34:28,724
She calls me like
she misses me
so bad sometimes--
872
00:34:28,724 --> 00:34:31,241
I think she's...
I think she's struggling
873
00:34:31,241 --> 00:34:32,758
that first semester
in college.
874
00:34:32,758 --> 00:34:34,896
Even Logan
who lived in Las Vegas
875
00:34:34,896 --> 00:34:36,620
was like, "I'm gonna drop out
and come home, Mom."
876
00:34:36,620 --> 00:34:39,758
They all have that
that first semester.
877
00:34:39,758 --> 00:34:40,827
There's some discussion
about--
878
00:34:40,827 --> 00:34:41,931
Are you talking about
next year
879
00:34:41,931 --> 00:34:42,793
going to Maddie's again?
880
00:34:42,793 --> 00:34:43,655
See, I don't know.
881
00:34:45,551 --> 00:34:47,413
I know everything's
really separate right now,
882
00:34:47,413 --> 00:34:49,310
but it can't stay that way,
883
00:34:49,310 --> 00:34:50,931
- right?
- Yeah, I don't know.
884
00:34:50,931 --> 00:34:52,413
- Really?
- I have no idea.
885
00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:56,655
Like, I just don't even know.
886
00:34:58,793 --> 00:35:01,034
So I just am
taking it day by day.
887
00:35:02,551 --> 00:35:06,000
It's really just about,
I need respect.
888
00:35:08,379 --> 00:35:09,517
Like Kody saying this?
889
00:35:09,517 --> 00:35:10,965
Yeah.
890
00:35:10,965 --> 00:35:13,172
You know, Kody always was
a really engaged father.
891
00:35:13,172 --> 00:35:16,103
It's one of the things
I admired the most about him.
892
00:35:17,206 --> 00:35:19,034
When COVID happened,
893
00:35:19,034 --> 00:35:20,862
the relationships
with my children,
894
00:35:20,862 --> 00:35:24,310
my boys especially
really broke down.
895
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:26,068
And I think that kind of
opened the door
896
00:35:26,068 --> 00:35:27,413
for some
of the older complaints
897
00:35:27,413 --> 00:35:29,448
to start coming up again.
898
00:35:29,448 --> 00:35:31,103
I'm sort of
stuck in the middle.
899
00:35:33,655 --> 00:35:37,034
My boys feel like there's
been a definite favoritism
900
00:35:37,034 --> 00:35:40,206
and preference
on time and energy
901
00:35:40,206 --> 00:35:42,000
poured into
the different households.
902
00:35:43,827 --> 00:35:45,586
[Kody] I'm really frustrated
when people are talking
903
00:35:45,586 --> 00:35:47,275
like this happened
the past 25 years.
904
00:35:47,275 --> 00:35:49,482
I've always wanted
a relationship with my kids.
905
00:35:49,482 --> 00:35:51,310
As they grow older,
these relationships,
906
00:35:51,310 --> 00:35:52,620
they go both ways.
907
00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:54,724
During COVID, things shifted.
908
00:35:54,724 --> 00:35:56,379
I made it empirically clear
909
00:35:56,379 --> 00:35:58,241
that I did not need
the boys to apologize.
910
00:35:58,241 --> 00:36:01,724
I just need to communicate
with them and talk
911
00:36:01,724 --> 00:36:03,448
and sort of clear the air
of all these rumors
912
00:36:03,448 --> 00:36:04,448
going on in the family.
913
00:36:04,448 --> 00:36:06,793
I look at Kody and I think,
914
00:36:06,793 --> 00:36:09,896
"Come on, can you just have
a little bit of compassion?"
915
00:36:09,896 --> 00:36:12,758
You know, don't draw
such a hard line.
916
00:36:14,482 --> 00:36:15,896
So I'm not optimistic.
917
00:36:18,344 --> 00:36:19,517
Everything's still
separate then.
918
00:36:19,517 --> 00:36:20,482
Mmm-hmm.
919
00:36:20,482 --> 00:36:21,689
And I think everyone...
The kids
920
00:36:21,689 --> 00:36:23,000
are just kind of tired
of pretending
921
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,689
that everything's okay.
922
00:36:24,689 --> 00:36:26,137
I don't think it's one-sided.
923
00:36:26,137 --> 00:36:27,758
- It's not one-sided.
- There's no one bad guy here.
924
00:36:27,758 --> 00:36:29,413
- Nope. No.
- I just think this maybe
925
00:36:29,413 --> 00:36:30,896
goes back to
when we blended families.
926
00:36:30,896 --> 00:36:32,827
We somehow missed something.
927
00:36:32,827 --> 00:36:34,620
Blending a family is hard work
928
00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:36,448
and here we are,
we have a plural family
929
00:36:36,448 --> 00:36:37,793
so it's even harder
930
00:36:37,793 --> 00:36:39,137
'cause of all
the different dynamics.
931
00:36:42,137 --> 00:36:44,517
My children remember
a lot of hurts.
932
00:36:45,655 --> 00:36:47,517
I know that
they tried very hard
933
00:36:47,517 --> 00:36:48,931
to integrate everybody,
934
00:36:48,931 --> 00:36:51,448
but maybe there were
always cracks.
935
00:36:59,344 --> 00:37:01,103
Now it's all blown apart.
936
00:37:03,448 --> 00:37:05,827
[Robyn] When a new wife
joins the family,
937
00:37:05,827 --> 00:37:09,413
you go through this process
of adjusting.
938
00:37:09,413 --> 00:37:11,137
There were some people
that were willing
939
00:37:11,137 --> 00:37:13,655
to make the adjustments
and were welcoming
940
00:37:13,655 --> 00:37:15,896
and then there was a lot
that weren't.
941
00:37:16,931 --> 00:37:18,448
[Kody] When Robyn came in,
the family,
942
00:37:18,448 --> 00:37:20,310
the only people
who welcomed her warmly
943
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:22,137
was just me and Meri.
944
00:37:22,137 --> 00:37:23,862
Mykelti has been talking a lot
945
00:37:23,862 --> 00:37:26,206
to Robyn's kids and Robyn
946
00:37:26,206 --> 00:37:29,137
and they've just expressed
a lot of frustration
947
00:37:29,137 --> 00:37:31,448
over when the family's
blended, how they felt.
948
00:37:31,448 --> 00:37:34,344
It's all really unfortunately
more messy than I thought.
949
00:37:35,137 --> 00:37:36,551
And it is really sad.
950
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,517
There's gotta be
some sort of a joke
951
00:37:39,517 --> 00:37:40,620
about how many sister wives
952
00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:41,793
- Yeah.
- does it take
to assemble a tree.
953
00:37:41,793 --> 00:37:43,310
Could you see how
there's that little notch?
954
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:45,344
- Yeah.
- And there's a little thing.
955
00:37:45,344 --> 00:37:46,172
- [Christine] Ready?
- [Janelle] Okay.
956
00:37:46,172 --> 00:37:46,931
Watch this magic.
957
00:37:48,103 --> 00:37:50,448
Oh. [laughs]
958
00:37:50,448 --> 00:37:51,724
Here we go. Okay.
959
00:37:51,724 --> 00:37:52,965
- All right.
- So it's harder to line up
than you think.
960
00:37:52,965 --> 00:37:53,689
It's... It is.
961
00:37:53,689 --> 00:37:54,586
- Let's cut this off now.
- Okay.
962
00:37:54,586 --> 00:37:55,620
- Where's your...
- Here.
963
00:37:55,620 --> 00:37:56,862
It's very, very small.
964
00:37:56,862 --> 00:37:59,137
It's just a cute little tree.
965
00:37:59,137 --> 00:38:01,344
So let's see
if the couch fits.
966
00:38:01,344 --> 00:38:02,655
- Sure.
- [indistinct chatter]
967
00:38:02,655 --> 00:38:04,379
[Janelle] Christmas trees
are a fun thing.
968
00:38:04,379 --> 00:38:05,482
They're a happy thing
969
00:38:05,482 --> 00:38:07,137
and I get to change the color.
970
00:38:07,137 --> 00:38:08,896
Technology is a amazing thing.
971
00:38:08,896 --> 00:38:10,482
The tree is great there.
I love it.
972
00:38:10,482 --> 00:38:11,689
And the dog beds can be--
973
00:38:11,689 --> 00:38:13,344
The dog beds are there
and they're cozy.
974
00:38:13,344 --> 00:38:15,068
- I don't know where
the dog beds usually go.
- [Janelle] Yeah.
975
00:38:15,068 --> 00:38:17,965
I don't either, but 'cause
they usually sleep on the...
976
00:38:17,965 --> 00:38:21,000
They sit on the couch
unless Kody's here.
977
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,379
We have kind of different
rules when Kody's here.
978
00:38:23,379 --> 00:38:25,827
The dogs aren't
on the couches.
979
00:38:25,827 --> 00:38:27,827
When Kody wasn't over,
980
00:38:27,827 --> 00:38:29,241
oh, we play,
981
00:38:29,241 --> 00:38:30,344
we play like crazy.
982
00:38:30,344 --> 00:38:31,413
We'd have popcorn for dinner
983
00:38:31,413 --> 00:38:33,310
sometimes for goodness sakes.
984
00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:34,689
There's so many things
we always do different
985
00:38:34,689 --> 00:38:37,448
when Kody wasn't around
versus when he was there.
986
00:38:37,448 --> 00:38:38,827
It was really funny.
987
00:38:38,827 --> 00:38:40,551
We go to bed later
when he's not there.
988
00:38:40,551 --> 00:38:42,275
[laughs]
989
00:38:42,275 --> 00:38:44,931
It's kind of a fun
perk of polygamy.
990
00:38:44,931 --> 00:38:46,862
It was like either
just the two of us
991
00:38:46,862 --> 00:38:47,862
or the three of us.
992
00:38:47,862 --> 00:38:49,206
We would just go to a movie
993
00:38:49,206 --> 00:38:50,586
or go to dinner or something,
994
00:38:50,586 --> 00:38:53,586
you know, just make it
pretty simple and basic.
995
00:38:53,586 --> 00:38:54,620
I do wanna ask,
and I don't know
996
00:38:54,620 --> 00:38:56,206
if it's too personal
or anything like that,
997
00:38:56,206 --> 00:38:57,344
but...
998
00:38:59,103 --> 00:39:00,137
you and Kody are fine then?
999
00:39:00,137 --> 00:39:01,137
You and Kody are good
1000
00:39:01,137 --> 00:39:02,137
as far as your
relationship goes 'cause--
1001
00:39:02,137 --> 00:39:04,379
No, we're... We have to...
1002
00:39:04,379 --> 00:39:06,034
I think what's happened
is the kids,
1003
00:39:06,034 --> 00:39:08,068
like when everybody moved out,
1004
00:39:08,068 --> 00:39:09,724
I think it was just kind of
one of those things
1005
00:39:09,724 --> 00:39:10,724
where all of a sudden,
we're like,
1006
00:39:10,724 --> 00:39:12,586
oh, I don't know.
1007
00:39:12,586 --> 00:39:14,344
How do we do this,
just the two of us?
1008
00:39:15,103 --> 00:39:16,275
I don't know what to do.
1009
00:39:16,275 --> 00:39:18,448
We're both sort of like,
okay, did we...
1010
00:39:18,448 --> 00:39:20,413
Do we keep working for this?
Do we...
1011
00:39:20,413 --> 00:39:22,896
What... Keep working
with this, what do you mean?
1012
00:39:22,896 --> 00:39:25,103
Like, I don't know.
Like, I mean, I don't know.
1013
00:39:25,103 --> 00:39:26,586
He seems so set
1014
00:39:26,586 --> 00:39:28,724
about the kids respecting him
1015
00:39:28,724 --> 00:39:31,172
and my kids are like, "What?"
1016
00:39:31,172 --> 00:39:33,068
I'm not gonna sit here
and try to put together
1017
00:39:33,068 --> 00:39:35,965
this relationship
post children leaving
1018
00:39:35,965 --> 00:39:37,517
when there's not
a whole lot in common.
1019
00:39:37,517 --> 00:39:39,896
I don't even know
who this guy is anymore.
1020
00:39:39,896 --> 00:39:42,448
Like I just don't see that
it's really worth the work.
1021
00:39:42,448 --> 00:39:43,551
Everybody's angry.
1022
00:39:44,275 --> 00:39:46,034
Everybody's angry, right?
1023
00:39:46,034 --> 00:39:47,517
Even in troubled times,
1024
00:39:47,517 --> 00:39:49,275
we still were able to get
together and put distance...
1025
00:39:49,275 --> 00:39:50,931
Like differences aside
and we're putting aside--
1026
00:39:50,931 --> 00:39:53,241
And now they're on this big...
They're beating this big drum.
1027
00:39:53,241 --> 00:39:54,827
We can no longer
sweep it under the rug.
1028
00:39:54,827 --> 00:39:55,965
I'm like, okay.
1029
00:39:56,827 --> 00:39:58,103
Now that Robyn and Kody
and the kids
1030
00:39:58,103 --> 00:39:59,482
have all had COVID,
1031
00:39:59,482 --> 00:40:01,448
and there's no longer
this need to separate
1032
00:40:01,448 --> 00:40:03,034
for fear of the disease.
1033
00:40:03,034 --> 00:40:05,344
We can't get together
until we sort this all out.
1034
00:40:06,206 --> 00:40:08,034
Now, that's their new drum.
1035
00:40:08,034 --> 00:40:11,103
It's the new excuse
to keep everybody apart.
1036
00:40:11,103 --> 00:40:12,862
So there's a lot
of moving pieces
1037
00:40:12,862 --> 00:40:14,551
and there's a lot.
1038
00:40:14,551 --> 00:40:16,896
And I'm worried that
we're not gonna do the work
1039
00:40:16,896 --> 00:40:18,413
because everybody's so angry.
1040
00:40:18,413 --> 00:40:21,482
- Kody is so angry about this.
- Yeah.
1041
00:40:21,482 --> 00:40:25,689
He's getting...
angrier and angrier
1042
00:40:25,689 --> 00:40:27,172
and he is getting
sharper and sharper
1043
00:40:27,172 --> 00:40:29,344
and more black and white
with me
1044
00:40:29,344 --> 00:40:31,241
about these kids
need to respect me.
1045
00:40:31,241 --> 00:40:32,862
Ew, really?
1046
00:40:32,862 --> 00:40:34,172
It was just getting harder.
1047
00:40:34,172 --> 00:40:36,413
It's just...
It's just getting so hard,
1048
00:40:36,413 --> 00:40:38,448
like it's getting
really complicated.
1049
00:40:38,448 --> 00:40:40,586
- Ah, Janelle.
- So I don't know.
1050
00:40:40,586 --> 00:40:42,517
Like, I mean we're not...
We're not getting divorced.
1051
00:40:42,517 --> 00:40:43,517
We're not walking away.
1052
00:40:43,517 --> 00:40:45,448
But it's like I don't know
what to do.
1053
00:40:46,965 --> 00:40:48,275
So I don't know.
1054
00:40:50,275 --> 00:40:51,344
I'm so sorry.
1055
00:40:53,551 --> 00:40:54,793
You know, it's interesting
1056
00:40:54,793 --> 00:40:56,655
'cause there is a lot of...
1057
00:40:57,965 --> 00:41:01,275
unsettledness
in the rest of my life.
1058
00:41:01,275 --> 00:41:03,931
But, you know, with my
children and with Christine,
1059
00:41:03,931 --> 00:41:05,931
it seems to all be
kind of normal.
1060
00:41:05,931 --> 00:41:08,586
It's like... It's like stable.
1061
00:41:08,586 --> 00:41:09,896
It's how it always was.
1062
00:41:09,896 --> 00:41:11,517
- We'll see you later.
- All right. See ya.
1063
00:41:13,551 --> 00:41:15,206
[Christine] It's heavy.
It feels really,
really heavy.
1064
00:41:15,206 --> 00:41:16,551
It's super great to see her.
1065
00:41:18,965 --> 00:41:21,724
And her and Kody, I didn't
think they were that bad.
1066
00:41:21,724 --> 00:41:22,965
Gosh,
1067
00:41:23,827 --> 00:41:25,379
things are pretty rough
right now.
1068
00:41:25,379 --> 00:41:27,620
[somber music playing]
1069
00:41:27,620 --> 00:41:29,172
With Kody at odds
with my children
1070
00:41:29,172 --> 00:41:31,586
and Kody and I
at odds in our relationship,
1071
00:41:31,586 --> 00:41:33,000
really kind of gave me a time
1072
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,827
to kind of reflect
on what I needed
1073
00:41:34,827 --> 00:41:36,931
in my relationship
going forward with Kody.
1074
00:41:36,931 --> 00:41:39,103
Kody and I weren't
in that great a place
1075
00:41:39,103 --> 00:41:41,137
going into this situation.
1076
00:41:41,137 --> 00:41:43,206
And I don't know
what the future is
1077
00:41:43,206 --> 00:41:46,103
for Kody and I
really going forward.
1078
00:41:46,103 --> 00:41:47,689
Can it be saved?
I have no idea.
1079
00:41:53,137 --> 00:41:55,137
[narrator] Next time
on Sister Wives...
1080
00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:56,793
You have cheated me
1081
00:41:56,793 --> 00:41:58,655
out of my contact
with my family.
1082
00:41:58,655 --> 00:42:00,172
Kody, in the very beginning,
I kept--
1083
00:42:00,172 --> 00:42:02,413
No, no. No,
you make this excuse forever.
1084
00:42:02,413 --> 00:42:04,448
- But I've--
- Shut your [bleep] mouth
1085
00:42:04,448 --> 00:42:05,793
and let me talk to you
for a minute.
1086
00:42:05,793 --> 00:42:07,379
No, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no.
1087
00:42:07,379 --> 00:42:08,758
You won't...
You keep cutting me off.
1088
00:42:08,758 --> 00:42:09,827
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
1089
00:42:09,827 --> 00:42:11,517
I don't expect you
1090
00:42:11,517 --> 00:42:14,655
to try and help us
co-parent the kids.
1091
00:42:14,655 --> 00:42:16,310
Don't you dare
point your finger at me.
1092
00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:19,310
I've been here day long,
1093
00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:22,551
in and out for all these years
without your support.
1094
00:42:22,551 --> 00:42:25,482
- No. You stay and talk.
- No, I'm done
listening to you.
1095
00:42:25,482 --> 00:42:27,068
You stay and talk.
1096
00:42:27,068 --> 00:42:29,137
No, I'm not going to
1097
00:42:29,137 --> 00:42:30,724
because you're not listening.
1098
00:42:30,724 --> 00:42:31,724
You're not listening to me.
1099
00:42:31,724 --> 00:42:33,137
And I'm not going to.
1100
00:42:33,137 --> 00:42:34,172
- [Janelle]
Okay. So we're done?
- Goodbye.
1101
00:42:34,172 --> 00:42:35,724
[bleep] you.
1102
00:42:36,310 --> 00:42:37,448
[door slams]