1 00:00:01,172 --> 00:00:02,724 [narrator] Previously on Sister Wives... 2 00:00:02,724 --> 00:00:04,206 This whole thing with Kody and Christine 3 00:00:04,206 --> 00:00:06,275 has just floored me. 4 00:00:06,275 --> 00:00:08,724 I'm trying really hard not to cry. 5 00:00:08,724 --> 00:00:09,896 Are you angry with her? 6 00:00:09,896 --> 00:00:11,379 Are you struggling with her? 7 00:00:12,103 --> 00:00:13,620 It's not what I would've expected 8 00:00:13,620 --> 00:00:16,413 from Christine to just walk away. 9 00:00:16,413 --> 00:00:19,482 We need to kind of carry the torch 10 00:00:19,482 --> 00:00:23,482 'cause he's been kind of carrying it and he's tired. 11 00:00:23,482 --> 00:00:27,068 Life is heavy on him, like he doesn't smile, 12 00:00:27,068 --> 00:00:28,275 he doesn't laugh. 13 00:00:28,275 --> 00:00:30,758 I don't recognize him. 14 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,344 - [Kody] How's it going? - [Christine] How are you? 15 00:00:37,724 --> 00:00:40,620 I really, really would like to have an amiable divorce. 16 00:00:40,620 --> 00:00:42,620 You know, and be able to talk to him about stuff. 17 00:00:42,620 --> 00:00:46,275 I'm not feeling like I'm in a great place. 18 00:00:46,275 --> 00:00:48,275 So Gwendlyn's not gonna be here for Christmas? 19 00:00:48,275 --> 00:00:49,310 Uh-uh. 20 00:00:49,310 --> 00:00:51,068 I was sick during her birthday. 21 00:00:51,068 --> 00:00:52,275 And you were also out of it. 22 00:00:52,275 --> 00:00:53,206 She was... 23 00:00:53,206 --> 00:00:55,000 Was she thinking that was funny, too? 24 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:55,896 What are you gonna do? 25 00:00:55,896 --> 00:00:57,379 Like, you can either laugh about things 26 00:00:57,379 --> 00:00:58,448 or cry about things. 27 00:00:58,448 --> 00:01:00,379 And if you can't look back with a sense of humor, 28 00:01:00,379 --> 00:01:01,379 what a waste. 29 00:01:03,275 --> 00:01:04,586 Well, I'm not laughing. 30 00:01:04,586 --> 00:01:06,310 I'm not laughing here. I'm not laughing. 31 00:01:06,310 --> 00:01:08,206 I haven't been laughing with her leaving. 32 00:01:08,206 --> 00:01:10,517 I'm not married to him anymore. 33 00:01:10,517 --> 00:01:11,896 It's so freaking awesome. 34 00:01:11,896 --> 00:01:15,068 [dramatic music playing] 35 00:01:30,724 --> 00:01:33,793 [dramatic music playing] 36 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,206 I've really struggled. 37 00:01:44,206 --> 00:01:47,000 I've been pretty grouchy. Very, very angry. 38 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,620 So you're still, kind of, angry and stuff? 39 00:01:49,620 --> 00:01:53,275 [dramatic music playing] 40 00:01:53,275 --> 00:01:54,620 We were talking with Janelle the other day. 41 00:01:54,620 --> 00:01:57,793 I literally lost my [bleep]. 42 00:01:58,896 --> 00:02:00,689 I just survived a really, really dark place. 43 00:02:00,689 --> 00:02:01,724 I understand that. 44 00:02:01,724 --> 00:02:03,206 You don't give a [bleep] though. 45 00:02:03,206 --> 00:02:05,275 Look at you dismissing it. 46 00:02:05,275 --> 00:02:06,172 Okay. 47 00:02:06,172 --> 00:02:07,103 Would you ever have any empathy for me? 48 00:02:07,103 --> 00:02:08,275 [woman] Can we just keep talking-- 49 00:02:08,275 --> 00:02:09,620 [Kody] When you're in pain, I try to understand you. 50 00:02:09,620 --> 00:02:10,586 [woman] Kody. 51 00:02:10,586 --> 00:02:12,103 [Kody] Janelle, this is a really bad idea 52 00:02:12,103 --> 00:02:13,689 for you to walk off on this one. 53 00:02:13,689 --> 00:02:17,068 Well, you... All you're doing is yelling at me. 54 00:02:18,275 --> 00:02:20,241 Yeah. I've got anger issues. 55 00:02:23,896 --> 00:02:25,103 I don't wanna be here. 56 00:02:25,103 --> 00:02:26,689 I don't wanna be here with her. 57 00:02:27,896 --> 00:02:29,103 [Christine] I know that Kody's mad. 58 00:02:29,103 --> 00:02:32,034 I've known that Kody's been mad for a long time. 59 00:02:34,896 --> 00:02:36,172 I mean, it's just obvious. 60 00:02:36,172 --> 00:02:39,068 He just... He just is always mad. 61 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,724 [dramatic music playing] 62 00:02:41,724 --> 00:02:45,689 Christine herself, her face doesn't bother me. 63 00:02:45,689 --> 00:02:49,517 It's what she's doing with our children, 64 00:02:49,517 --> 00:02:53,000 talking behind my back about the reason she left. 65 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,793 Kody can get mad at me about a lot of things. 66 00:02:54,793 --> 00:02:57,793 He can name-call me. That's just fine. 67 00:02:57,793 --> 00:03:00,620 When he sits there and he tells me to my face 68 00:03:00,620 --> 00:03:02,793 that I am pitting his children against him. 69 00:03:02,793 --> 00:03:04,275 No, no. That is not true. 70 00:03:04,275 --> 00:03:06,517 I am their sounding board. 71 00:03:06,517 --> 00:03:08,793 They get to talk to me about things 72 00:03:08,793 --> 00:03:11,482 that are hard and I listen. 73 00:03:13,620 --> 00:03:14,896 You get me in the wrong place 74 00:03:14,896 --> 00:03:16,620 and I'm just venom and vitriol. 75 00:03:16,620 --> 00:03:18,896 So sometimes you still hate me. 76 00:03:18,896 --> 00:03:20,551 It's okay. 77 00:03:22,689 --> 00:03:25,103 I don't want you to pretend, there's no point in that. 78 00:03:25,103 --> 00:03:26,793 I think it gives you satisfaction 79 00:03:26,793 --> 00:03:27,896 if I did hate you. 80 00:03:27,896 --> 00:03:29,000 - It doesn't. - Are you sure? 81 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,517 It's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking. 82 00:03:31,517 --> 00:03:33,068 I really think about him less 83 00:03:33,068 --> 00:03:35,000 than he thinks I think about him. 84 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,586 I don't really even think about him that much. 85 00:03:38,724 --> 00:03:40,379 Oh, my gosh. 86 00:03:41,310 --> 00:03:43,379 I wish I was more ambivalent but-- 87 00:03:43,379 --> 00:03:44,793 You don't have to pretend. 88 00:03:44,793 --> 00:03:47,000 I don't want you to pretend, there's no point in that. 89 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,517 I drive by your house 90 00:03:48,517 --> 00:03:51,448 and I'm having these, like, literally anxiety attacks. 91 00:03:52,172 --> 00:03:55,103 Coming back to Flagstaff is hard. 92 00:03:55,103 --> 00:03:57,068 It's so hard. 93 00:03:58,275 --> 00:04:00,310 I think she's Machiavellian. 94 00:04:00,310 --> 00:04:01,482 She plays nice 95 00:04:01,482 --> 00:04:03,000 while stabbing you in the back. 96 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,000 The evil thoughts I had about you. 97 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,896 - Yeah, that's okay. - You know, like, 98 00:04:07,896 --> 00:04:09,482 you know, but I... 99 00:04:09,482 --> 00:04:11,172 And I was just, like, eh, you know? 100 00:04:11,172 --> 00:04:13,275 So is grief over me leaving more than anything? 101 00:04:13,275 --> 00:04:15,517 - It's grief of, um-- - Just that it's over. 102 00:04:15,517 --> 00:04:16,724 Something's over. 103 00:04:16,724 --> 00:04:18,000 Hmm. Even more than that. 104 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,344 It was bigger than that. It was my big picture. 105 00:04:22,586 --> 00:04:24,000 It's like he's trying to blame me 106 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,000 for destroying his big picture 107 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,482 but doesn't see that his actions 108 00:04:27,482 --> 00:04:29,379 over the course of 10 years 109 00:04:29,379 --> 00:04:33,620 is what has demolished his big picture. 110 00:04:33,620 --> 00:04:35,103 You can't just pick favorites. 111 00:04:35,103 --> 00:04:36,620 You can't just stay at one person's house 112 00:04:36,620 --> 00:04:38,724 and expect to still have a big picture 113 00:04:38,724 --> 00:04:41,482 of a big, huge, happy, big family. 114 00:04:41,482 --> 00:04:43,000 We don't even have relationships 115 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,689 with most of the people in that picture. 116 00:04:44,689 --> 00:04:48,206 My relationship with Christine was bad, 117 00:04:48,206 --> 00:04:51,413 is bad because of me and Christine, 118 00:04:51,413 --> 00:04:53,172 not because of Robyn. 119 00:04:53,172 --> 00:04:54,379 Well... 120 00:04:54,379 --> 00:04:57,172 [Christine] I'm really sorry. This was never my intention. 121 00:04:58,172 --> 00:05:00,620 She's trying to say it's heartbreaking. 122 00:05:00,620 --> 00:05:05,310 She's acting like, in every way possible, 123 00:05:05,310 --> 00:05:09,517 that her life is better than it has ever been. 124 00:05:09,517 --> 00:05:12,206 I've thought about doing breakup counseling with you, 125 00:05:12,206 --> 00:05:13,586 like, hey, we're done. 126 00:05:13,586 --> 00:05:17,000 Let's get in a place where we can be functional, 127 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,000 'cause I don't wanna sit here and-- 128 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,275 Post-breakup counseling? 129 00:05:19,275 --> 00:05:20,793 - Yes. - What for? 130 00:05:20,793 --> 00:05:22,482 Well, maybe all I need is grief counseling. 131 00:05:22,482 --> 00:05:23,896 Well, listen, I gotta get in a place 132 00:05:23,896 --> 00:05:24,896 where I don't hate you. 133 00:05:24,896 --> 00:05:27,103 So I never speak bad about you to my children. 134 00:05:27,103 --> 00:05:29,482 - Oh. That'd be great. - That's my worry. 135 00:05:29,482 --> 00:05:31,379 If you need to have some sort of, like, 136 00:05:31,379 --> 00:05:34,586 post-breakup counseling with me, 137 00:05:34,586 --> 00:05:36,344 that's fine. 138 00:05:37,310 --> 00:05:38,724 The whole thing is very heartbreaking 139 00:05:38,724 --> 00:05:39,620 and it's very sad. 140 00:05:39,620 --> 00:05:40,896 That's why I'm talking about counseling. 141 00:05:40,896 --> 00:05:41,896 If we go through something counseling. 142 00:05:41,896 --> 00:05:43,724 - Oh, sure. - We get over it. 143 00:05:43,724 --> 00:05:44,724 We shake hands. 144 00:05:44,724 --> 00:05:46,275 We go, "Hey, have a good life." 145 00:05:46,275 --> 00:05:47,793 I think counseling would be good 146 00:05:47,793 --> 00:05:50,482 for Kody, some... In one way or another. 147 00:05:50,482 --> 00:05:53,275 Kody's dealing with a lot right now. 148 00:05:53,275 --> 00:05:54,896 I mean a lot. 149 00:05:54,896 --> 00:05:57,068 I sometimes wonder how he's able 150 00:05:57,068 --> 00:05:58,482 to keep his head above water. 151 00:05:59,103 --> 00:06:01,793 I would do counseling 152 00:06:01,793 --> 00:06:05,482 with anybody in the family that wanted to do it with me. 153 00:06:05,482 --> 00:06:07,689 I would do it with Christine. 154 00:06:07,689 --> 00:06:08,896 I'm open to talking to someone. 155 00:06:08,896 --> 00:06:10,620 I feel like we're gonna do this 156 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:11,620 for the rest of our lives. 157 00:06:11,620 --> 00:06:12,793 You know, be in each other's lives 158 00:06:12,793 --> 00:06:14,482 for the rest of our lives still just 'cause, you know, 159 00:06:14,482 --> 00:06:16,068 we have kids together and everything. 160 00:06:23,206 --> 00:06:25,241 Well, I'll ask Pat... 161 00:06:26,310 --> 00:06:28,724 if she's actually practicing in Utah 162 00:06:28,724 --> 00:06:29,896 and we can set something up. 163 00:06:29,896 --> 00:06:31,896 - Sure. - But I gotta ask a counselor 164 00:06:31,896 --> 00:06:34,310 - if that's even a good idea. - [laughs] 165 00:06:34,310 --> 00:06:35,310 I feel like, yeah, 166 00:06:35,310 --> 00:06:36,793 I need to figure out how to forgive her. 167 00:06:36,793 --> 00:06:38,103 That'd be a good idea. 168 00:06:38,103 --> 00:06:41,172 But am I ever gonna trust her? Probably not. 169 00:06:42,379 --> 00:06:43,620 Kody's been bringing up 170 00:06:43,620 --> 00:06:46,068 going to counseling and therapy for years. 171 00:06:46,068 --> 00:06:49,172 [dramatic music playing] 172 00:06:50,482 --> 00:06:51,413 [Christine] We're not going to do it. 173 00:06:51,413 --> 00:06:52,517 I'm just gonna flat out tell you. 174 00:06:52,517 --> 00:06:53,689 We're just not going to. 175 00:06:57,517 --> 00:07:00,620 [Robyn] I think sometimes Kody in his sort of, 176 00:07:00,620 --> 00:07:03,482 like, optimistic way of looking at the world, 177 00:07:03,482 --> 00:07:06,413 his mental sunshine kind of thing, 178 00:07:06,413 --> 00:07:08,896 that he sometimes will miss 179 00:07:08,896 --> 00:07:11,724 some of these red flags. 180 00:07:11,724 --> 00:07:13,724 Even when Christine moved his stuff out, 181 00:07:13,724 --> 00:07:16,482 I really think he thought, "We'll figure it out." 182 00:07:18,275 --> 00:07:20,275 [Christine] For years, I cared. 183 00:07:20,275 --> 00:07:22,000 For years, I cared. 184 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,482 Whatever he needed. Whatever he wanted. 185 00:07:24,482 --> 00:07:27,344 I wanted to be the best wife ever. 186 00:07:28,620 --> 00:07:31,068 Even when it didn't matter to him, 187 00:07:31,068 --> 00:07:34,068 I would have done anything 188 00:07:34,068 --> 00:07:36,344 he needed me to do. 189 00:07:37,379 --> 00:07:38,965 But I'm done. 190 00:07:39,275 --> 00:07:40,517 I'm done. 191 00:07:40,517 --> 00:07:43,172 I'm not going to do a thing for him anymore. 192 00:07:43,172 --> 00:07:47,241 I just wanna eventually be able to just be friends. 193 00:07:49,206 --> 00:07:51,413 It's more like how do we move forward 194 00:07:51,413 --> 00:07:53,724 and be able to be in each other's company 195 00:07:53,724 --> 00:07:56,206 and enjoy each other's company. 196 00:07:56,206 --> 00:07:58,896 But I'd rather just come from a sincere place 197 00:07:58,896 --> 00:08:01,172 of just being friends. 198 00:08:02,379 --> 00:08:04,068 I don't know if that's naive. 199 00:08:07,310 --> 00:08:08,758 I don't know either. 200 00:08:13,793 --> 00:08:17,482 There is no way for me to enjoy her company. 201 00:08:17,482 --> 00:08:20,448 I don't understand that she says that. 202 00:08:21,724 --> 00:08:24,310 I've seen Kody over the last few years 203 00:08:24,310 --> 00:08:26,344 just get angrier and angrier. 204 00:08:27,896 --> 00:08:30,586 Like, I don't want to sound like a jerk, 205 00:08:30,586 --> 00:08:33,000 but he's, like... I've really... 206 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,586 Just watching him and... 207 00:08:36,517 --> 00:08:38,620 seeing how he responds to things, 208 00:08:38,620 --> 00:08:41,241 he just seems very angry. 209 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,103 All right. 210 00:08:47,103 --> 00:08:48,275 [Christine] Thank you for meeting out with me. 211 00:08:48,275 --> 00:08:49,172 Well, okay. 212 00:08:53,896 --> 00:08:54,793 I don't even know what to think 213 00:08:54,793 --> 00:08:55,689 about that conversation. 214 00:08:55,689 --> 00:08:56,793 Oh, my gosh. 215 00:08:56,793 --> 00:08:58,689 I'm just super grateful 216 00:08:58,689 --> 00:09:00,586 that I'm not married to him anymore. 217 00:09:00,896 --> 00:09:02,275 Oh, my gosh. 218 00:09:02,275 --> 00:09:05,275 He's a lot. He's just so intense. 219 00:09:05,275 --> 00:09:06,896 I'm gonna take off. Thanks for lunch. 220 00:09:06,896 --> 00:09:08,172 - Well, see you... - Okay. Thank you. 221 00:09:08,172 --> 00:09:09,896 I'll let you know next time I come in town with True. 222 00:09:09,896 --> 00:09:10,689 All righty. 223 00:09:10,689 --> 00:09:11,689 It'll be like in a couple weeks. 224 00:09:11,689 --> 00:09:12,896 - Sounds great. - All right. 225 00:09:12,896 --> 00:09:14,551 - Thanks. - Thank you. Thank you. 226 00:09:22,068 --> 00:09:24,620 One of the things that is confusing for me 227 00:09:24,620 --> 00:09:26,620 is that I don't see the deal-breakers 228 00:09:26,620 --> 00:09:28,206 between Kody and Christine, 229 00:09:28,206 --> 00:09:31,000 but I don't mean to cast judgment, 230 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,896 but I... 231 00:09:32,896 --> 00:09:35,413 And maybe it's just my perception, 232 00:09:35,413 --> 00:09:37,758 but I don't see 233 00:09:38,896 --> 00:09:41,965 where either one of them did something 234 00:09:42,896 --> 00:09:45,103 so heinous and horrible 235 00:09:45,103 --> 00:09:47,517 that it just had to end. 236 00:09:47,517 --> 00:09:51,241 And I can't seem to kind of understand. 237 00:09:52,896 --> 00:09:55,965 [dramatic music playing] 238 00:10:03,517 --> 00:10:05,000 I just want it to be done. 239 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,965 I just wanted to get away from her. 240 00:10:07,275 --> 00:10:08,896 It was just... 241 00:10:08,896 --> 00:10:10,689 I don't need any more of this. 242 00:10:20,379 --> 00:10:21,896 This was their first Thanksgiving 243 00:10:21,896 --> 00:10:23,482 in their new house and I really wanted 244 00:10:23,482 --> 00:10:24,620 to be part of it. 245 00:10:24,620 --> 00:10:26,000 [Kody] Janelle has decided 246 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,689 that she'd rather hang out with Christine. 247 00:10:27,689 --> 00:10:29,482 We're not working like a family. 248 00:10:29,482 --> 00:10:31,172 We're acting like enemies. 249 00:10:45,689 --> 00:10:47,655 It's Thanksgiving... 250 00:10:49,586 --> 00:10:53,103 and I'm at Robyn's house with Meri and the kids. 251 00:10:53,103 --> 00:10:55,000 I don't have my whole family together again. 252 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,689 This is the second Thanksgiving in a row 253 00:10:57,689 --> 00:10:59,172 that we are not all together. 254 00:11:02,896 --> 00:11:04,689 Truely, Ysabel, 255 00:11:04,689 --> 00:11:06,310 and Paedon and I are gonna go to Aspyn 256 00:11:06,310 --> 00:11:08,793 and Mitch's house for Thanksgiving this year. 257 00:11:08,793 --> 00:11:09,965 They're lovely hosts. 258 00:11:09,965 --> 00:11:11,586 I'm super excited. 259 00:11:11,586 --> 00:11:14,137 They prepare wonderful food. 260 00:11:26,586 --> 00:11:28,793 - Such a Mom thing to say. - I'm rubber and you're glue 261 00:11:28,793 --> 00:11:30,896 - whenever I think them-- - I didn't say that. 262 00:11:30,896 --> 00:11:32,793 - Everybody said it. - You said that. You said that. 263 00:11:32,793 --> 00:11:34,379 I said it because all of us said it. 264 00:11:34,379 --> 00:11:35,310 You used to say all the time. 265 00:11:35,310 --> 00:11:37,103 You'd be like, and then, we would... 266 00:11:37,103 --> 00:11:39,068 Then you would insult us and I'd say it back to you 267 00:11:39,068 --> 00:11:40,793 and you'd be like "I already said it." 268 00:11:40,793 --> 00:11:43,413 Maddie and Caleb just bought their first house. 269 00:11:43,413 --> 00:11:45,896 Like dating life, I'd go, "Excuse me?" 270 00:11:45,896 --> 00:11:48,793 And you would go, "Why, did you fart?" 271 00:11:48,793 --> 00:11:50,103 This was their first Thanksgiving 272 00:11:50,103 --> 00:11:51,586 in their new house and I really wanted 273 00:11:51,586 --> 00:11:52,310 to be part of it. 274 00:11:52,310 --> 00:11:53,965 So that was an extra fun bonus. 275 00:11:56,862 --> 00:11:58,965 [indistinct chatting] 276 00:11:58,965 --> 00:12:00,275 [Madison] Don't do that. 277 00:12:00,275 --> 00:12:01,310 [Caleb] You're tenderizing it. 278 00:12:01,310 --> 00:12:02,689 [Madison] Okay. Look, we're gonna rub some oil. 279 00:12:02,689 --> 00:12:03,793 - Okay? - [Caleb] Rubadub-dub. 280 00:12:03,793 --> 00:12:04,482 [Madison] Rub that oil on it. 281 00:12:04,482 --> 00:12:05,482 [Caleb] You don't wanna rub it? 282 00:12:05,482 --> 00:12:07,000 [Madison] Rub the oil all over the breasts. 283 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,068 [Caleb] Mmm. 284 00:12:08,068 --> 00:12:10,000 [Madison] All over the skin and the turkey. Okay? 285 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,896 My little... My babies that are there, Maddie, Caleb, 286 00:12:12,896 --> 00:12:15,482 the grand babies, Hunter, Savannah, and Ysabel. 287 00:12:15,482 --> 00:12:17,103 It was really fun. 288 00:12:17,103 --> 00:12:19,275 Very different than the Thanksgivings 289 00:12:19,275 --> 00:12:22,137 I've had for many, many years, but it was fun. 290 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,896 Okay. It's kinda sticky, right? 291 00:12:24,896 --> 00:12:26,000 It's supposed to be sort of... 292 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,068 It's supposed to be sort of sticky? 293 00:12:28,068 --> 00:12:29,482 Today for Thanksgiving we're going over 294 00:12:29,482 --> 00:12:30,586 to Aspyn and Mitch's house. 295 00:12:30,586 --> 00:12:31,482 We're not filming it 296 00:12:31,482 --> 00:12:33,586 because it's Mitch's family's year, 297 00:12:33,586 --> 00:12:35,482 but Aspyn and Mitch said that we could come over 298 00:12:35,482 --> 00:12:37,241 'cause there's just a few of us. 299 00:12:39,310 --> 00:12:40,965 Janelle's making my rolls this year 300 00:12:40,965 --> 00:12:42,793 for Thanksgiving at Maddie's house. 301 00:12:42,793 --> 00:12:44,310 Best compliment ever, right? 302 00:12:44,310 --> 00:12:45,482 Okay. 303 00:12:45,482 --> 00:12:48,241 - [Christine] Too much flour. - What's gonna happen? 304 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,206 [Christine] Have they already risen once? 305 00:12:51,206 --> 00:12:52,413 No. 306 00:12:52,413 --> 00:12:54,482 The dough is a little bit sticky, 307 00:12:54,482 --> 00:12:56,586 but you're supposed to be able to handle it. 308 00:12:56,586 --> 00:12:58,206 So if you can't handle the dough, 309 00:12:58,206 --> 00:13:00,068 you just need to add a little bit more flour. 310 00:13:00,068 --> 00:13:01,896 - Okay. - [Christine] Oh, it's okay. 311 00:13:01,896 --> 00:13:02,689 It's okay. 312 00:13:02,689 --> 00:13:04,000 It was, like, I almost couldn't-- 313 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000 [Christine speaking indistinctly] 314 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Okay. All right. 315 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,689 So this will be okay. All right, cool. 316 00:13:08,689 --> 00:13:10,000 You know, it's just one more piece 317 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,206 that makes this Thanksgiving feel a little bit 318 00:13:12,206 --> 00:13:15,000 more family oriented to have Christine. 319 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,000 Even if it's for just a little bit to reassure me 320 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,758 that the rolls are okay. 321 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,965 - We're serving our kids. - Do you wanna get maybe-- 322 00:13:21,965 --> 00:13:23,965 There was a piece where I kept thinking, 323 00:13:23,965 --> 00:13:25,689 I'm really, really enjoying myself here. 324 00:13:25,689 --> 00:13:28,793 Should I feel guilty that I'm enjoying myself here? 325 00:13:28,793 --> 00:13:30,793 This represents a really big break 326 00:13:30,793 --> 00:13:32,000 in our family tradition. 327 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,310 I mean, I had all these mixed thoughts going on, 328 00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:36,482 but I really was happy to be here. 329 00:13:39,689 --> 00:13:41,586 It was a really great day. 330 00:13:41,586 --> 00:13:43,689 We were having a lot of fun. 331 00:13:43,689 --> 00:13:45,034 It was just... 332 00:13:45,482 --> 00:13:47,172 It was perfect really. 333 00:13:49,206 --> 00:13:50,206 [Christine] Our family has been hurting 334 00:13:50,206 --> 00:13:51,482 for a long time. 335 00:13:51,482 --> 00:13:54,000 We've done our best to... 336 00:13:55,206 --> 00:13:58,000 be as okay as possible, 337 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,689 but there's still hurt feelings from 12 years ago. 338 00:14:01,689 --> 00:14:03,689 It's just everything's been accumulating 339 00:14:03,689 --> 00:14:05,586 and accumulating for years. 340 00:14:05,586 --> 00:14:07,172 It's at a breaking point. 341 00:14:07,172 --> 00:14:10,413 Sorry, it's just at a breaking point. 342 00:14:10,413 --> 00:14:13,103 The big shakeup wasn't caused by Robyn. 343 00:14:13,103 --> 00:14:16,379 It was caused by the fallout of going public. 344 00:14:16,379 --> 00:14:19,172 And that decision was made by our family 345 00:14:19,172 --> 00:14:20,862 before we met Robyn. 346 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,793 [Janelle] You know, I was set to have the holidays 347 00:14:24,793 --> 00:14:28,000 with the family here in Flagstaff. 348 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,689 But there's this huge looming problem. 349 00:14:30,689 --> 00:14:32,862 You know, I basically told the kids 350 00:14:32,862 --> 00:14:34,689 what their dad was requiring of them 351 00:14:34,689 --> 00:14:36,655 in order to come to Thanksgiving. 352 00:14:37,482 --> 00:14:39,275 That's what I did. I delivered the facts. 353 00:14:39,275 --> 00:14:43,068 I delivered what he said. He needs to do something here. 354 00:14:44,103 --> 00:14:45,310 He's the head of the family. 355 00:14:45,310 --> 00:14:46,586 He wants to be the patriarch. 356 00:14:46,586 --> 00:14:47,965 This is part of that role. 357 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,206 I made the mistake 358 00:14:51,206 --> 00:14:53,586 of not managing my family properly 359 00:14:53,586 --> 00:14:55,275 and Christine has left. 360 00:14:55,275 --> 00:14:57,206 And Janelle has decided 361 00:14:57,206 --> 00:14:59,103 because we're not in the greatest place 362 00:14:59,103 --> 00:15:00,896 that she'd rather hang out with Christine. 363 00:15:00,896 --> 00:15:02,896 We're not working like a family. 364 00:15:02,896 --> 00:15:04,448 We're not a family. 365 00:15:05,172 --> 00:15:07,137 We're acting like enemies. 366 00:15:10,206 --> 00:15:11,896 [Robyn] We're all separated. 367 00:15:11,896 --> 00:15:15,551 Except for Meri and Kody and I are together with my kids. 368 00:15:16,689 --> 00:15:19,000 You know, my three older kids when I told them 369 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,793 that we were gonna be separate for Thanksgiving again, 370 00:15:22,793 --> 00:15:25,068 they dealt with feelings of rejection. 371 00:15:25,068 --> 00:15:28,275 They've dealt with feelings of hurt and heartbreak. 372 00:15:28,275 --> 00:15:31,172 The question was asked why don't they care 373 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,551 and I... 374 00:15:40,206 --> 00:15:43,344 They've dealt with that heartbreak before. 375 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,206 To just reminding them 376 00:15:46,206 --> 00:15:48,172 that it's not necessarily personal, 377 00:15:50,275 --> 00:15:51,689 apologizing to them 378 00:15:51,689 --> 00:15:54,034 for the being innocent parties in this, 379 00:15:55,586 --> 00:15:57,482 that they're getting hurt by this. 380 00:15:59,103 --> 00:16:00,482 I wish we would've gotten things 381 00:16:00,482 --> 00:16:02,172 straightened out before now. 382 00:16:03,068 --> 00:16:04,275 There's been a lot of offense, 383 00:16:04,275 --> 00:16:06,172 a lot of struggle, a lot of heartache. 384 00:16:06,172 --> 00:16:07,344 Um... 385 00:16:09,482 --> 00:16:10,586 and I don't... 386 00:16:10,586 --> 00:16:12,379 I don't know what to do about it. 387 00:16:13,103 --> 00:16:14,896 And I hope that over the next month 388 00:16:14,896 --> 00:16:15,896 or over the next year, 389 00:16:15,896 --> 00:16:17,689 I can get these things straightened out 390 00:16:17,689 --> 00:16:20,000 and just find peace and love... 391 00:16:23,068 --> 00:16:24,586 with my family. 392 00:16:24,586 --> 00:16:26,551 Everything's changing. 393 00:16:27,482 --> 00:16:29,689 And I guess I'm at peace. 394 00:16:29,689 --> 00:16:31,793 I'm in a very peaceful mood. 395 00:16:31,793 --> 00:16:34,689 I'm surrounded by people who are not offended by me 396 00:16:34,689 --> 00:16:35,965 right now. 397 00:16:37,793 --> 00:16:40,206 I'm just sad about it. 398 00:16:40,206 --> 00:16:44,689 I'm just sad about that this is what our family 399 00:16:44,689 --> 00:16:46,793 has turned into. 400 00:16:46,793 --> 00:16:51,000 Our holidays are not the big family function 401 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000 that they used to be. 402 00:16:55,586 --> 00:16:57,068 It's just sad. 403 00:16:58,172 --> 00:17:01,862 More than anything, I am grateful right now 404 00:17:01,862 --> 00:17:03,586 for where I'm at 405 00:17:03,586 --> 00:17:07,172 that I have love and devotion 406 00:17:07,172 --> 00:17:08,482 with a portion of my family 407 00:17:08,482 --> 00:17:10,965 and I hope that I can get more of that 408 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,758 from more of my family as we move on. 409 00:17:17,862 --> 00:17:21,586 I just finally went why am I trying here? 410 00:17:21,586 --> 00:17:23,103 [Janelle] Everybody was trying to deflect 411 00:17:23,103 --> 00:17:25,034 but it just kept spiraling. 412 00:17:25,965 --> 00:17:27,137 And it was done. 413 00:17:27,137 --> 00:17:29,103 With some of the things that were said and expressed, 414 00:17:29,103 --> 00:17:31,068 I don't know if we ever come back. 415 00:17:31,068 --> 00:17:32,413 I don't think Robyn's ever lived 416 00:17:32,413 --> 00:17:35,172 a plural marriage honestly. 417 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,379 We just had Thanksgiving yesterday 418 00:17:46,379 --> 00:17:50,655 at Aspyn and Mitch's house and it was lovely. 419 00:17:50,655 --> 00:17:54,689 So last year was more impactful for me 420 00:17:54,689 --> 00:17:56,034 when we did Thanksgiving separate 421 00:17:56,034 --> 00:17:57,586 because I was choosing to just leave 422 00:17:57,586 --> 00:17:59,482 even though I'm still living in Flagstaff. 423 00:17:59,482 --> 00:18:02,689 But this year is probably more impactful for Janelle 424 00:18:02,689 --> 00:18:04,586 because I think things... 425 00:18:04,586 --> 00:18:06,862 Well, things are just more strained between her and Kody 426 00:18:06,862 --> 00:18:08,379 and everybody in Flagstaff 427 00:18:08,379 --> 00:18:10,103 but this year, like... 428 00:18:11,448 --> 00:18:12,551 we're just easygoing. 429 00:18:15,482 --> 00:18:17,379 Paedon came into town for Thanksgiving 430 00:18:17,379 --> 00:18:19,896 and his favorite meal is mock tapioca pudding, 431 00:18:19,896 --> 00:18:21,586 so we're going to make that together. 432 00:18:21,586 --> 00:18:23,586 I'm gonna make him make it with me. 433 00:18:23,586 --> 00:18:24,862 So separating an egg, 434 00:18:24,862 --> 00:18:26,034 you just carefully break it in half. 435 00:18:26,034 --> 00:18:27,965 You don't wanna get any of the yolk 436 00:18:27,965 --> 00:18:30,034 in with the white, otherwise it won't mix. 437 00:18:30,034 --> 00:18:31,655 Mock tapioca pudding was a recipe 438 00:18:31,655 --> 00:18:34,172 that I believe my grandmother gave my mom 439 00:18:34,172 --> 00:18:37,551 and it became a comfort food for all of us kids. 440 00:18:38,379 --> 00:18:41,172 So I do have to... How are you... 441 00:18:41,172 --> 00:18:44,275 How are you feeling about me living here and stuff 442 00:18:44,275 --> 00:18:45,793 and about divorce and everything? 443 00:18:45,793 --> 00:18:47,103 Mom, I'm so happy you live here. 444 00:18:47,103 --> 00:18:49,689 No, I love it. Paedon, you're so happy here. 445 00:18:49,689 --> 00:18:51,379 I never moved to Flagstaff. 446 00:18:51,379 --> 00:18:53,103 I actually moved to St. George. 447 00:18:53,103 --> 00:18:54,379 I started working in St. George 448 00:18:54,379 --> 00:18:55,793 and then I joined the military. 449 00:18:55,793 --> 00:18:58,275 I believe I was at basic training 450 00:18:58,275 --> 00:19:01,275 when everybody moved to Flagstaff. 451 00:19:01,275 --> 00:19:03,862 Paedon's my only son, like, biologically 452 00:19:03,862 --> 00:19:05,103 and he's right smack dab 453 00:19:05,103 --> 00:19:06,689 in the middle of all these girls. 454 00:19:06,689 --> 00:19:09,689 Um, and he's actually doing really well in life right now. 455 00:19:09,689 --> 00:19:11,896 He lives in St. George, Utah. It's about four hours away. 456 00:19:11,896 --> 00:19:13,965 There's always a lot to catch up on. 457 00:19:13,965 --> 00:19:16,103 There's a lot... Always a lot to talk about. 458 00:19:16,103 --> 00:19:17,034 And he's a talker. 459 00:19:17,034 --> 00:19:19,103 He just loves to sit and have conversations. 460 00:19:23,586 --> 00:19:26,965 So, yeah, it was just, it was time to leave 461 00:19:26,965 --> 00:19:30,000 and it was only, like... Yeah. 462 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,275 And I told him I couldn't be, yeah, 463 00:19:31,275 --> 00:19:33,172 and, like, I just wanna be friends. 464 00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:34,172 I just wanna be friends with you. 465 00:19:34,172 --> 00:19:36,034 I think we're better friends than anything else 466 00:19:36,034 --> 00:19:37,482 and I just wanna be friends. 467 00:19:37,482 --> 00:19:39,862 And his relationship with you kids, 468 00:19:39,862 --> 00:19:42,379 I always hope it gets better. 469 00:19:42,379 --> 00:19:43,965 Like, what do you think about that? 470 00:19:48,103 --> 00:19:50,000 Sorry. I didn't... Yeah. 471 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,275 - It's-- - I know. 472 00:19:51,275 --> 00:19:52,758 No, Mom, it's okay. 473 00:19:52,758 --> 00:19:55,275 And it's meant a lot to me to hear Mom open about this. 474 00:19:55,275 --> 00:19:57,586 Not just talk about it, but talk with me about it 475 00:19:57,586 --> 00:20:00,172 knowing that she trusts me with this information. 476 00:20:00,172 --> 00:20:01,862 [Christine] So Dad's had COVID now. 477 00:20:01,862 --> 00:20:04,275 Robyn's had COVID. They've all had COVID now. 478 00:20:04,275 --> 00:20:05,965 They got very, very, very sick, 479 00:20:05,965 --> 00:20:07,103 sicker than most people get. So-- 480 00:20:07,103 --> 00:20:08,965 It's because their immune systems are terrible. 481 00:20:08,965 --> 00:20:10,689 - [Christine] Stop it. - Okay. Okay. 482 00:20:10,689 --> 00:20:12,103 All right. Stop it. 483 00:20:12,103 --> 00:20:15,103 His sarcasm is not helping his anger. 484 00:20:15,103 --> 00:20:17,034 He's just been sarcastic 485 00:20:17,034 --> 00:20:18,448 and I don't want him to be rude. 486 00:20:18,448 --> 00:20:20,586 Him just saying, yeah, and they lived, 487 00:20:20,586 --> 00:20:21,551 that's not fair. 488 00:20:21,551 --> 00:20:23,965 Dad didn't really like what I was choosing 489 00:20:23,965 --> 00:20:26,275 but I had... 490 00:20:26,275 --> 00:20:29,827 I make the choices that I make because I-- 491 00:20:30,758 --> 00:20:33,103 My mom's kids and Janelle's kids 492 00:20:33,103 --> 00:20:34,758 have chosen a side. 493 00:20:34,758 --> 00:20:37,034 To the best of my knowledge, all of us chose my mom. 494 00:20:37,034 --> 00:20:41,172 Okay. Dad and choosing Robyn's family for Christmas 495 00:20:41,172 --> 00:20:44,034 because we want to do a Zoom call. 496 00:20:44,034 --> 00:20:47,103 That whole thing got blown up out of perspective completely, 497 00:20:47,103 --> 00:20:49,344 and I'm hoping that that one can get fixed. 498 00:20:51,103 --> 00:20:52,896 [Paedon] A few weeks ago, Logan texted 499 00:20:52,896 --> 00:20:54,862 a group chat of the siblings 500 00:20:54,862 --> 00:20:57,103 that he wants to do a sibling gift exchange. 501 00:20:57,103 --> 00:20:58,448 And somebody said, okay, 502 00:20:58,448 --> 00:21:00,103 let's tell all the parents about this. 503 00:21:00,103 --> 00:21:02,482 And Robyn gets involved in the conversation 504 00:21:02,482 --> 00:21:04,241 and says let's do a video chat. 505 00:21:05,172 --> 00:21:06,172 [Janelle] It's hard for the kids 506 00:21:06,172 --> 00:21:08,551 to just jump on a call at the drop of a hat. 507 00:21:08,551 --> 00:21:09,689 They're not opposed to it. 508 00:21:09,689 --> 00:21:11,172 They just wanna have it scheduled. 509 00:21:11,172 --> 00:21:12,379 They were amiable. 510 00:21:12,379 --> 00:21:13,758 They just didn't see 511 00:21:13,758 --> 00:21:15,448 how they could make it really work. 512 00:21:15,448 --> 00:21:19,758 I was pushing for the video chat 513 00:21:19,758 --> 00:21:21,482 for the sake of the kids. 514 00:21:21,482 --> 00:21:23,482 When I was getting all this pushback, 515 00:21:23,482 --> 00:21:25,275 I just finally went, 516 00:21:25,275 --> 00:21:27,379 "Why am I trying here?" 517 00:21:27,379 --> 00:21:29,862 And I was like, "Fine, I'm out." 518 00:21:29,862 --> 00:21:32,000 You know, this is an effort in futility. 519 00:21:34,586 --> 00:21:35,862 [Christine] So we're even at one point, 520 00:21:35,862 --> 00:21:37,275 she said my kids don't even remember 521 00:21:37,275 --> 00:21:38,758 who their siblings are. 522 00:21:38,758 --> 00:21:40,482 And Hunter was like, one video call 523 00:21:40,482 --> 00:21:42,103 is not gonna help that. 524 00:21:44,103 --> 00:21:46,275 And it got blown out of proportion 525 00:21:46,275 --> 00:21:50,000 that they didn't wanna hang out 526 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,034 and then suddenly no one wanted to hang out 527 00:21:52,034 --> 00:21:53,103 and then all of these hurt feelings 528 00:21:53,103 --> 00:21:55,482 about when Robyn first came into the family 529 00:21:55,482 --> 00:21:59,448 and came out and, it's like oh, my gosh. 530 00:21:59,448 --> 00:22:01,448 Then it just turned into this whole big, 531 00:22:01,448 --> 00:22:05,034 like, kind of squabble 532 00:22:05,034 --> 00:22:07,482 between my kids 533 00:22:07,482 --> 00:22:10,586 and a bunch of the other kids. 534 00:22:10,586 --> 00:22:14,655 It really just got blown out of proportion I think. 535 00:22:17,655 --> 00:22:20,275 Everyone's emotions just ran super high. 536 00:22:20,275 --> 00:22:21,965 Gwendlyn tried to lighten it all up 537 00:22:21,965 --> 00:22:23,793 and that went really bad. 538 00:22:23,793 --> 00:22:25,482 Everybody was trying to deflect 539 00:22:25,482 --> 00:22:27,241 but it just kept spiraling. 540 00:22:28,172 --> 00:22:29,379 And it was done. 541 00:22:29,379 --> 00:22:31,275 With some of the things that were said and expressed, 542 00:22:31,275 --> 00:22:33,896 I don't know if we ever come back from it. 543 00:22:33,896 --> 00:22:35,896 [Kody] So when this text thread was going on, 544 00:22:35,896 --> 00:22:37,172 I was just ignoring it. 545 00:22:37,172 --> 00:22:39,275 I wasn't gonna pick sides one way or the other. 546 00:22:39,275 --> 00:22:40,965 Janelle and Christine's kids have already chosen 547 00:22:40,965 --> 00:22:42,103 Janelle and Christine. 548 00:22:42,103 --> 00:22:44,172 I always wanted to have the family 549 00:22:44,172 --> 00:22:45,517 have Christmas together. 550 00:22:46,758 --> 00:22:48,758 It was a horrible day. 551 00:22:50,862 --> 00:22:53,241 I think Robyn jumped to conclusions too fast. 552 00:22:54,551 --> 00:22:56,275 It's just another example 553 00:22:56,275 --> 00:22:59,586 of them not wanting to be a family with us. 554 00:22:59,586 --> 00:23:01,758 It's been like this from the beginning. 555 00:23:04,034 --> 00:23:06,482 By the time the whole thing was over with, 556 00:23:06,482 --> 00:23:09,448 my older kids Dayton, Aurora, and Breanna, 557 00:23:09,448 --> 00:23:10,862 did not feel comfortable 558 00:23:10,862 --> 00:23:13,103 being involved in the gift exchange anymore. 559 00:23:13,103 --> 00:23:14,551 My children came away saying, 560 00:23:14,551 --> 00:23:16,034 "Look, what the heck happened?" 561 00:23:16,034 --> 00:23:17,896 When we first went public, 562 00:23:17,896 --> 00:23:19,172 the purpose of going public 563 00:23:19,172 --> 00:23:22,103 was to say polygamy works. 564 00:23:22,103 --> 00:23:24,344 I don't think it works in my family anymore. 565 00:23:25,586 --> 00:23:28,586 My kids and I think it's heartbreaking and stupid 566 00:23:28,586 --> 00:23:30,827 because we don't understand. 567 00:23:34,379 --> 00:23:38,758 And here it is just another reaffirmation of everything, 568 00:23:38,758 --> 00:23:41,758 all the messages we're getting 569 00:23:41,758 --> 00:23:45,344 that we're the outsiders and we're on the other side. 570 00:23:46,379 --> 00:23:47,689 We're not. 571 00:23:47,689 --> 00:23:48,758 We refuse to be. 572 00:23:48,758 --> 00:23:50,793 We don't know what else to do. 573 00:23:50,793 --> 00:23:54,172 I know that you kids have really struggled 574 00:23:54,172 --> 00:23:55,103 with his choices. 575 00:23:55,103 --> 00:23:56,448 It's very frustrating. 576 00:23:56,448 --> 00:23:57,379 [Christine] I know. 577 00:23:57,379 --> 00:23:58,482 I'm trying to, like, make it 578 00:23:58,482 --> 00:24:00,551 so he can have a relationship with his dad. 579 00:24:01,482 --> 00:24:03,758 But his dad has picked sides. 580 00:24:03,758 --> 00:24:06,103 His dad is doing Christmas with Robyn and her kids 581 00:24:06,103 --> 00:24:07,103 and Meri. 582 00:24:07,103 --> 00:24:08,965 But he's picked sides. 583 00:24:08,965 --> 00:24:10,379 In front of Paedon, I'm gonna say I think 584 00:24:10,379 --> 00:24:11,275 we can work all this out. 585 00:24:11,275 --> 00:24:13,034 I think everything's going to be fine. 586 00:24:13,034 --> 00:24:14,275 Is it going to be? 587 00:24:14,275 --> 00:24:15,241 No. 588 00:24:21,034 --> 00:24:21,862 Yeah. 589 00:24:22,448 --> 00:24:23,517 Yeah. 590 00:24:31,103 --> 00:24:32,586 Yeah, good. 591 00:24:32,586 --> 00:24:33,551 Good. 592 00:24:33,551 --> 00:24:36,172 It's really important for wives and mothers 593 00:24:36,172 --> 00:24:40,172 to help those relationships 594 00:24:40,172 --> 00:24:42,275 that the dad has with his children 595 00:24:42,275 --> 00:24:44,862 because he's not there all the time. 596 00:24:44,862 --> 00:24:47,758 It is my responsibility to be a mom 597 00:24:47,758 --> 00:24:50,034 and to be a mother and it's my favorite thing 598 00:24:50,034 --> 00:24:52,000 that I do in this life. 599 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,793 It's his responsibility 600 00:24:53,793 --> 00:24:55,793 to create a good relationship with his children 601 00:24:55,793 --> 00:24:57,758 and it always has been. 602 00:24:57,758 --> 00:25:00,103 You have an amazing friend 603 00:25:00,103 --> 00:25:01,344 and... 604 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:03,896 it's not like where you are. 605 00:25:03,896 --> 00:25:05,482 Thank you. 606 00:25:05,482 --> 00:25:07,103 I love it. 607 00:25:07,103 --> 00:25:11,655 Once again, I feel like our family is just dividing. 608 00:25:11,655 --> 00:25:15,172 I think we're looking at a permanent separation. 609 00:25:15,172 --> 00:25:16,275 All right. Thank you. 610 00:25:16,275 --> 00:25:17,448 Hey, when are you moving up here 611 00:25:17,448 --> 00:25:18,275 since we're up here now? 612 00:25:18,275 --> 00:25:19,275 - A while. - Yeah? 613 00:25:19,275 --> 00:25:20,034 It'll be... It'll be a minute. 614 00:25:20,034 --> 00:25:21,172 I know you have your commitments. 615 00:25:21,172 --> 00:25:22,379 - It's fine. - Yeah, a few commitments. 616 00:25:22,379 --> 00:25:23,448 It's always nice to see you. 617 00:25:26,862 --> 00:25:28,275 I don't think Robyn's ever lived 618 00:25:28,275 --> 00:25:30,758 plural marriage honestly. 619 00:25:31,586 --> 00:25:32,793 Because as soon as... 620 00:25:32,793 --> 00:25:33,965 as soon as she came to the family, 621 00:25:33,965 --> 00:25:36,103 even before they got married... 622 00:25:36,103 --> 00:25:37,689 I just don't wanna go down that route. 623 00:25:37,689 --> 00:25:42,103 It just doesn't help with anything. 624 00:25:42,103 --> 00:25:43,965 I left Kody 625 00:25:43,965 --> 00:25:46,172 because I could see he had favorites. 626 00:25:46,172 --> 00:25:49,862 Well, when you have a wife that's a favorite, 627 00:25:49,862 --> 00:25:51,586 your other kids are gonna see 628 00:25:51,586 --> 00:25:53,758 and they're gonna have a hard time with that. 629 00:25:53,758 --> 00:25:55,965 It doesn't mean that they don't accept her 630 00:25:55,965 --> 00:25:58,482 but they don't accept as much as Kody did then I guess. 631 00:25:58,482 --> 00:26:00,344 Just... God. 632 00:26:04,379 --> 00:26:06,275 [Robyn] You're gonna go in and get your ears pierced. 633 00:26:06,275 --> 00:26:07,586 How are you feeling right now? 634 00:26:07,586 --> 00:26:10,172 I'm feeling very anxious. 635 00:26:10,172 --> 00:26:11,793 I kind of have a confession to make, 636 00:26:11,793 --> 00:26:13,034 is, I went and got my ear pierced 637 00:26:13,034 --> 00:26:14,551 when I was a sophomore in high school. 638 00:26:14,896 --> 00:26:15,931 What? 639 00:26:25,137 --> 00:26:26,793 [Kody] We're fumbling through the holidays. 640 00:26:26,793 --> 00:26:28,275 And it's been really sad 641 00:26:28,275 --> 00:26:30,448 because we didn't all gather for Thanksgiving. 642 00:26:30,448 --> 00:26:31,793 It seems like 643 00:26:31,793 --> 00:26:35,000 there's this lack of real desire to get together. 644 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,068 But right now, I'm excited 645 00:26:36,068 --> 00:26:37,655 about my experience with Aurora 646 00:26:37,655 --> 00:26:39,793 and I'm looking forward to that. 647 00:26:39,793 --> 00:26:41,793 - [Robyn] Aurora, you're gonna go in... - [Aurora] Yes. 648 00:26:41,793 --> 00:26:43,000 and get your pierced. 649 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,275 How are you feeling right now? 650 00:26:44,275 --> 00:26:47,000 I'm feeling very anxious, 651 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,379 butterflies in my stomach but I'm very excited. 652 00:26:50,379 --> 00:26:53,241 I used to have an unfavorable opinion about ear piercing. 653 00:26:53,241 --> 00:26:55,379 The original paradigm that we were coming from 654 00:26:55,379 --> 00:26:57,068 and our family agreement was 655 00:26:57,068 --> 00:26:58,448 that we wouldn't have piercings. 656 00:27:02,793 --> 00:27:05,655 When I first married Meri, she didn't have pierced ears. 657 00:27:06,379 --> 00:27:08,896 And her mother and I chatted about it 658 00:27:08,896 --> 00:27:10,172 and Meri's mom was like... 659 00:27:10,172 --> 00:27:14,000 Grandma Bonnie, was like piercing ears is against, 660 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,344 you know, the gospel, 661 00:27:15,344 --> 00:27:16,448 the word of the gospel, like, 662 00:27:16,448 --> 00:27:17,689 you're not supposed to pierce ears. 663 00:27:17,689 --> 00:27:20,068 I know that in the church that I grew up in, 664 00:27:20,068 --> 00:27:23,000 that was, like, a big thing. 665 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,344 You just don't pierce your ears. 666 00:27:24,344 --> 00:27:26,689 If God had wanted holes in your ears, 667 00:27:26,689 --> 00:27:28,862 He would've put them there Himself, 668 00:27:29,379 --> 00:27:30,448 you know? 669 00:27:33,275 --> 00:27:34,793 Jill's coming into the family, hey, 670 00:27:34,793 --> 00:27:36,793 you know, we're not gonna have pierced ears 671 00:27:36,793 --> 00:27:39,241 because our church leaders don't like it, you know. 672 00:27:40,896 --> 00:27:42,793 [Janelle] I even took my earrings out 673 00:27:42,793 --> 00:27:44,275 and I know it seems like a silly thing 674 00:27:44,275 --> 00:27:46,620 but you know what, when you're trying to live... 675 00:27:47,448 --> 00:27:49,896 righteously and have a faith 676 00:27:49,896 --> 00:27:52,275 and you wanna embrace your faith, 677 00:27:52,275 --> 00:27:54,275 there are little things like that. 678 00:27:54,275 --> 00:27:56,793 When I met Christine, she had two piercings 679 00:27:56,793 --> 00:28:00,068 and I'm kind of weird about... 680 00:28:00,068 --> 00:28:01,689 Squeamish about piercings in a way, 681 00:28:01,689 --> 00:28:04,275 so, like, two piercings was like, oh, too much. 682 00:28:04,275 --> 00:28:06,068 He told me how he hated earrings 683 00:28:06,068 --> 00:28:07,793 and I had two on each ear, 684 00:28:07,793 --> 00:28:10,655 so I stopped wearing earrings forever ago. 685 00:28:10,655 --> 00:28:12,379 [upbeat music playing] 686 00:28:12,379 --> 00:28:13,655 I wanna do my family right, 687 00:28:13,655 --> 00:28:15,068 you know, we're gonna "play by the rules" 688 00:28:15,068 --> 00:28:15,896 type of thing. 689 00:28:15,896 --> 00:28:17,379 And then Robyn comes to the family 690 00:28:17,379 --> 00:28:18,551 and Robyn's got piercings 691 00:28:18,551 --> 00:28:20,241 and her dad took her to get 'em. 692 00:28:23,482 --> 00:28:26,172 [Robyn] He told me that his other wives 693 00:28:26,172 --> 00:28:28,379 had given up their earrings. 694 00:28:28,379 --> 00:28:30,000 And it was right around Christmas 695 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,586 and I found out what a grump he was through Christmas, 696 00:28:32,586 --> 00:28:34,586 and he hated the commercialism 697 00:28:34,586 --> 00:28:35,689 surrounding Christmas. 698 00:28:35,689 --> 00:28:37,793 And it was always like this pressure 699 00:28:37,793 --> 00:28:40,448 to make sure that everybody got something special. 700 00:28:40,448 --> 00:28:42,344 And so I made him a deal. 701 00:28:42,344 --> 00:28:44,448 I will take out my earrings 702 00:28:44,448 --> 00:28:46,689 and I'll never wear them again 703 00:28:46,689 --> 00:28:49,482 if you'll be happy and jolly, 704 00:28:49,482 --> 00:28:53,137 you know, it's from Thanksgiving until New Year's. 705 00:28:53,137 --> 00:28:55,068 My attitude gradually changed about it. 706 00:28:55,068 --> 00:28:56,896 Robyn started the... 707 00:28:56,896 --> 00:28:58,344 My sister wives' closet 708 00:28:58,344 --> 00:28:59,655 and I went, "Hey, this whole earring thing 709 00:28:59,655 --> 00:29:00,793 has gotten stupid." 710 00:29:00,793 --> 00:29:03,551 So I'm okay with, you know, 711 00:29:03,551 --> 00:29:05,379 like I don't want a whole bunch of piercings, 712 00:29:05,379 --> 00:29:06,689 but with piercings. 713 00:29:06,689 --> 00:29:07,689 Kody got over it 714 00:29:07,689 --> 00:29:09,655 'cause I mean, I'm obviously wearing them. 715 00:29:09,655 --> 00:29:12,482 I don't know what changed for him. 716 00:29:12,482 --> 00:29:14,241 I just decided I really liked them 717 00:29:14,241 --> 00:29:15,517 and I was gonna put them back in. 718 00:29:16,482 --> 00:29:18,275 And I was over 18, 719 00:29:18,275 --> 00:29:20,000 so I wasn't breaking any rules. 720 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,137 And, you know, Kody didn't really care, 721 00:29:22,137 --> 00:29:23,689 but he... We still kind of felt 722 00:29:23,689 --> 00:29:25,551 like we needed to enforce the same rules 723 00:29:25,551 --> 00:29:27,275 for the older kids as we did the younger kids 724 00:29:27,275 --> 00:29:28,689 so we kind of held to the 18. 725 00:29:28,689 --> 00:29:31,275 I still don't have pierced ears. 726 00:29:31,275 --> 00:29:33,793 That is purely just because of my skin, 727 00:29:33,793 --> 00:29:35,000 I'm allergic to all medals, 728 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,068 so I'm just not gonna mess with it. 729 00:29:37,068 --> 00:29:39,275 This will be the first time 730 00:29:39,275 --> 00:29:41,896 I've ever gone with one of my daughters 731 00:29:41,896 --> 00:29:43,137 to get their ears pierced. 732 00:29:43,137 --> 00:29:44,586 For some reason it never occurred to me 733 00:29:44,586 --> 00:29:45,896 that my mom wanted to pierce... 734 00:29:45,896 --> 00:29:47,241 Get my ears pierced. 735 00:29:47,241 --> 00:29:49,793 I allowed myself to think about it for myself. 736 00:29:49,793 --> 00:29:51,655 And then me and Dad started talking about it 737 00:29:51,655 --> 00:29:54,137 and had this big huge conversation about it, 738 00:29:54,137 --> 00:29:56,068 and so now we are here. 739 00:29:56,655 --> 00:29:58,137 [Robyn] Woo-hoo. 740 00:29:58,137 --> 00:30:01,241 She was completely bought into what I was saying 741 00:30:01,241 --> 00:30:02,551 and she thought about it a lot 742 00:30:02,551 --> 00:30:03,896 and discussed it with me and her mom 743 00:30:03,896 --> 00:30:05,517 and said, "I wanna do it." 744 00:30:06,448 --> 00:30:07,896 It's kind of the benchmark 745 00:30:07,896 --> 00:30:10,896 'cause Aurora wasn't going to pierce her ears 746 00:30:10,896 --> 00:30:12,551 out of respect for me. 747 00:30:12,551 --> 00:30:15,793 And I didn't want my daughters having their ears pierced. 748 00:30:15,793 --> 00:30:19,241 And my value or my perspective on that 749 00:30:19,241 --> 00:30:20,689 has changed completely. 750 00:30:20,689 --> 00:30:23,689 And so now I'm going with Aurora, 751 00:30:23,689 --> 00:30:24,896 kind of like a... 752 00:30:24,896 --> 00:30:26,448 Sort of a... 753 00:30:26,448 --> 00:30:28,655 An experience, a daddy-daughter experience, 754 00:30:28,655 --> 00:30:31,620 and we're gonna go get her ears pierced. 755 00:30:32,275 --> 00:30:34,379 Because of the COVID restrictions, 756 00:30:34,379 --> 00:30:36,000 Robyn and I both can't go. 757 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,241 They'll only allow me to... 758 00:30:37,241 --> 00:30:39,448 Or one of us to go, and Aurora picked me. 759 00:30:39,448 --> 00:30:41,551 And to be honest with you, maybe Robyn 760 00:30:41,551 --> 00:30:43,000 might have promoted this a little bit 761 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,793 because she has this real great memory 762 00:30:44,793 --> 00:30:46,172 of her and her dad 763 00:30:46,172 --> 00:30:47,793 going and getting her ears pierced. 764 00:30:47,793 --> 00:30:48,793 You're getting nervous. 765 00:30:48,793 --> 00:30:49,896 I could tell you're all almost like shaky. 766 00:30:49,896 --> 00:30:50,896 I am very nervous. 767 00:30:50,896 --> 00:30:51,793 All right. Well, let's go do it. 768 00:30:51,793 --> 00:30:53,172 But I am all right with needles, 769 00:30:53,172 --> 00:30:54,551 so I think I'll be okay. 770 00:30:54,551 --> 00:30:55,551 It won't... It won't take long. 771 00:30:55,551 --> 00:30:56,896 - Let's go. - Okay. 772 00:30:56,896 --> 00:30:58,793 [Kody] I'll be honest, I don't know 773 00:30:58,793 --> 00:31:00,551 when all my older daughters, 774 00:31:00,551 --> 00:31:02,000 when they got their ears pierced. 775 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,448 I don't know if they did it, 776 00:31:03,448 --> 00:31:04,655 you know, while they're still home. 777 00:31:04,655 --> 00:31:06,172 I don't... I don't actually remember. 778 00:31:06,172 --> 00:31:08,068 I think all of our children, 779 00:31:08,068 --> 00:31:10,275 all of our girls waited until they were 18 780 00:31:10,275 --> 00:31:11,482 to pierce their ears. 781 00:31:11,482 --> 00:31:13,000 [mellow music playing] 782 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,275 Kody had me on a video call, 783 00:31:15,275 --> 00:31:17,758 so I got to watch her grimace. 784 00:31:22,275 --> 00:31:25,655 I've had a deep appreciation for how much 785 00:31:25,655 --> 00:31:28,275 Aurora has respected my authority as the father 786 00:31:28,275 --> 00:31:29,551 and the head of our home. 787 00:31:32,379 --> 00:31:35,034 I just appreciate the respect she's given me on that level. 788 00:31:35,448 --> 00:31:36,655 [Robyn] Wow. 789 00:31:37,172 --> 00:31:38,965 [laughs] Let me see. 790 00:31:39,448 --> 00:31:40,448 Wow. 791 00:31:40,448 --> 00:31:42,137 That is so cool. 792 00:31:44,068 --> 00:31:47,793 It was just really cute and fun and it was... 793 00:31:47,793 --> 00:31:50,551 And Kody being so sweet and positive about it, 794 00:31:50,551 --> 00:31:52,793 it would've been so fun to have him 795 00:31:52,793 --> 00:31:55,172 have this experience with each of his girls. 796 00:31:55,172 --> 00:31:56,793 I kind of have a confession to make, 797 00:31:56,793 --> 00:31:58,068 is, I went and got my ear pierced 798 00:31:58,068 --> 00:31:59,172 when I was a sophomore in high school. 799 00:31:59,172 --> 00:32:00,896 [laughs] What? 800 00:32:00,896 --> 00:32:01,896 You did? 801 00:32:01,896 --> 00:32:03,068 Now you cut. 802 00:32:04,448 --> 00:32:05,344 What? 803 00:32:06,793 --> 00:32:08,965 You little hypocrite. 804 00:32:10,586 --> 00:32:11,896 [Kody] So, yeah, I got my ear pierced 805 00:32:11,896 --> 00:32:13,448 when I was a sophomore in high school. 806 00:32:14,793 --> 00:32:16,793 Yeah. I knew Kody had a pierced ear. 807 00:32:16,793 --> 00:32:17,793 Like he was so... 808 00:32:17,793 --> 00:32:19,793 Like, he wanted to be the rock star. 809 00:32:19,793 --> 00:32:20,793 Kody was in this small town 810 00:32:20,793 --> 00:32:22,344 and he wanted to be the big town guy 811 00:32:22,344 --> 00:32:24,793 and I think he just was like... 812 00:32:24,793 --> 00:32:26,379 He was trying to be that guy. 813 00:32:26,379 --> 00:32:28,137 I remember Kody telling me 814 00:32:28,137 --> 00:32:29,689 that he got one of his ears pierced 815 00:32:29,689 --> 00:32:30,482 when he was in high school. 816 00:32:30,482 --> 00:32:32,172 I feel like I could be wrong, 817 00:32:32,172 --> 00:32:34,137 but I feel like it was like kind of a dare. 818 00:32:34,137 --> 00:32:37,000 My sister and I are at a jewelry store 819 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,793 in a shopping mall 820 00:32:38,793 --> 00:32:41,586 and we're with one of her girlfriends or something. 821 00:32:41,586 --> 00:32:42,896 I'm like, "Dare me to do it." 822 00:32:42,896 --> 00:32:44,448 And my sister doesn't even say anything. 823 00:32:44,448 --> 00:32:45,482 And then I do it and I'm like, 824 00:32:45,482 --> 00:32:48,068 "Well, you dared me," you know? [laughs] 825 00:32:48,068 --> 00:32:49,551 Got it on Saturday night. 826 00:32:49,551 --> 00:32:51,655 I did my best to hide it. 827 00:32:51,655 --> 00:32:53,172 Monday, I wore it to school, 828 00:32:53,172 --> 00:32:55,137 I had my heyday, took it out, 829 00:32:55,137 --> 00:32:56,862 made my mom cry. 830 00:32:58,551 --> 00:32:59,793 I had a lot of fun 831 00:32:59,793 --> 00:33:01,896 going with Aurora and getting her ears pierced. 832 00:33:01,896 --> 00:33:04,344 It'll be a memory locked in forever, 833 00:33:04,344 --> 00:33:06,586 just like the memory of when I got my ear pierced 834 00:33:06,586 --> 00:33:09,448 and I'm glad I don't have a pierced ear anymore. 835 00:33:10,689 --> 00:33:13,275 [mellow music playing] 836 00:33:13,275 --> 00:33:14,896 I don't know what the future is 837 00:33:14,896 --> 00:33:15,896 for Kody and I. 838 00:33:15,896 --> 00:33:20,241 He's getting... angrier and angrier 839 00:33:20,241 --> 00:33:21,689 and he's getting sharper and sharper, 840 00:33:21,689 --> 00:33:23,689 and more black and white with me. 841 00:33:23,689 --> 00:33:25,344 Gosh. I mean, her and Kody, 842 00:33:25,344 --> 00:33:27,344 I didn't think they were that bad. 843 00:33:36,482 --> 00:33:39,586 [Christine] I go to Flagstaff every 10 to 14 days. 844 00:33:39,586 --> 00:33:41,689 It's just business related and then it's really nice 845 00:33:41,689 --> 00:33:43,896 'cause then I can see Janelle, and Savanah, 846 00:33:43,896 --> 00:33:45,586 and Gwendlyn, Gabe and the boys and stuff, 847 00:33:45,586 --> 00:33:48,137 and it's awesome to see everybody. 848 00:33:48,137 --> 00:33:49,586 - Hey. - [Janelle] Oh, hey. 849 00:33:49,586 --> 00:33:52,137 So I just had to order this new Christmas tree 850 00:33:52,137 --> 00:33:53,034 'cause, well, the... 851 00:33:53,034 --> 00:33:55,034 Mine is way too big for this apartment. 852 00:33:55,034 --> 00:33:56,241 - You got a tree. - Yes. 853 00:33:56,241 --> 00:33:57,379 - Is it pre-lit and everything? - Yes. 854 00:33:57,379 --> 00:33:58,793 - [gasps] - 'Cause I've decided life... 855 00:33:58,793 --> 00:34:00,000 - Oh, my gosh. - is too short 856 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,137 to wrap your own lights. 857 00:34:01,137 --> 00:34:02,137 I adore Janelle. 858 00:34:02,137 --> 00:34:04,793 I'm so glad that I have a friendship with her. 859 00:34:04,793 --> 00:34:07,448 Janelle and I got closer and closer... 860 00:34:08,586 --> 00:34:11,206 really a lot since we moved to Flagstaff. 861 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,482 And with me leaving, 862 00:34:13,482 --> 00:34:15,103 she's just been so supportive. 863 00:34:15,103 --> 00:34:17,482 I've been there for her like she has been for me 864 00:34:17,482 --> 00:34:19,793 'cause she's been extremely 865 00:34:19,793 --> 00:34:21,034 supportive of me leaving. 866 00:34:21,034 --> 00:34:22,482 - It was fun. - So you had a fun Thanksgiving? 867 00:34:22,482 --> 00:34:23,586 - Yeah, it was fun. - And Ysabel, 868 00:34:23,586 --> 00:34:24,482 how's Ysabel doing? 869 00:34:24,482 --> 00:34:25,482 - Good. - Is she okay? 870 00:34:25,482 --> 00:34:26,586 - Yeah. She is. - Okay, good. 871 00:34:26,586 --> 00:34:28,586 She calls me like she misses me so bad sometimes-- 872 00:34:28,586 --> 00:34:31,137 I think she's... I think she's struggling 873 00:34:31,137 --> 00:34:32,689 that first semester in college. 874 00:34:32,689 --> 00:34:34,793 Even Logan who lived in Las Vegas 875 00:34:34,793 --> 00:34:36,482 was like, "I'm gonna drop out and come home, Mom." 876 00:34:36,482 --> 00:34:39,689 They all have that that first semester. 877 00:34:39,689 --> 00:34:40,793 There's some discussion about-- 878 00:34:40,793 --> 00:34:41,896 Are you talking about next year 879 00:34:41,896 --> 00:34:42,758 going to Maddie's again? 880 00:34:42,758 --> 00:34:43,793 See, I don't know. 881 00:34:45,379 --> 00:34:47,344 I know everything's really separate right now, 882 00:34:47,344 --> 00:34:49,241 but it can't stay that way, 883 00:34:49,241 --> 00:34:50,965 - right? - Yeah, I don't know. 884 00:34:50,965 --> 00:34:52,551 - Really? - I have no idea. 885 00:34:55,586 --> 00:34:56,758 Like, I just don't even know. 886 00:34:58,689 --> 00:35:01,103 So I just am taking it day by day. 887 00:35:02,379 --> 00:35:06,034 It's really just about, I need respect. 888 00:35:08,241 --> 00:35:09,482 Like Kody saying this? 889 00:35:09,482 --> 00:35:10,896 Yeah. 890 00:35:10,896 --> 00:35:13,034 You know, Kody always was a really engaged father. 891 00:35:13,034 --> 00:35:16,172 It's one of the things I admired the most about him. 892 00:35:17,103 --> 00:35:19,000 When COVID happened, 893 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,793 the relationships with my children, 894 00:35:20,793 --> 00:35:24,172 my boys especially really broke down. 895 00:35:24,172 --> 00:35:26,000 And I think that kind of opened the door 896 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,344 for some of the older complaints 897 00:35:27,344 --> 00:35:29,344 to start coming up again. 898 00:35:29,344 --> 00:35:31,172 I'm sort of stuck in the middle. 899 00:35:33,482 --> 00:35:36,965 My boys feel like there's been a definite favoritism 900 00:35:36,965 --> 00:35:40,034 and preference on time and energy 901 00:35:40,034 --> 00:35:42,034 poured into the different households. 902 00:35:43,689 --> 00:35:45,379 [Kody] I'm really frustrated when people are talking 903 00:35:45,379 --> 00:35:47,137 like this happened the past 25 years. 904 00:35:47,137 --> 00:35:49,379 I've always wanted a relationship with my kids. 905 00:35:49,379 --> 00:35:51,241 As they grow older, these relationships, 906 00:35:51,241 --> 00:35:52,586 they go both ways. 907 00:35:52,586 --> 00:35:54,758 During COVID, things shifted. 908 00:35:54,758 --> 00:35:56,344 I made it empirically clear 909 00:35:56,344 --> 00:35:58,172 that I did not need the boys to apologize. 910 00:35:58,172 --> 00:36:01,586 I just need to communicate with them and talk 911 00:36:01,586 --> 00:36:03,379 and sort of clear the air of all these rumors 912 00:36:03,379 --> 00:36:04,379 going on in the family. 913 00:36:04,379 --> 00:36:06,689 I look at Kody and I think, 914 00:36:06,689 --> 00:36:09,862 "Come on, can you just have a little bit of compassion?" 915 00:36:09,862 --> 00:36:12,827 You know, don't draw such a hard line. 916 00:36:14,379 --> 00:36:15,965 So I'm not optimistic. 917 00:36:18,172 --> 00:36:19,482 Everything's still separate then. 918 00:36:19,482 --> 00:36:20,379 Mmm-hmm. 919 00:36:20,379 --> 00:36:21,586 And I think everyone... The kids 920 00:36:21,586 --> 00:36:22,965 are just kind of tired of pretending 921 00:36:22,965 --> 00:36:24,586 that everything's okay. 922 00:36:24,586 --> 00:36:26,034 I don't think it's one-sided. 923 00:36:26,034 --> 00:36:27,689 - It's not one-sided. - There's no one bad guy here. 924 00:36:27,689 --> 00:36:29,344 - Nope. No. - I just think this maybe 925 00:36:29,344 --> 00:36:30,862 goes back to when we blended families. 926 00:36:30,862 --> 00:36:32,793 We somehow missed something. 927 00:36:32,793 --> 00:36:34,482 Blending a family is hard work 928 00:36:34,482 --> 00:36:36,379 and here we are, we have a plural family 929 00:36:36,379 --> 00:36:37,689 so it's even harder 930 00:36:37,689 --> 00:36:39,206 'cause of all the different dynamics. 931 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,551 My children remember a lot of hurts. 932 00:36:45,482 --> 00:36:47,482 I know that they tried very hard 933 00:36:47,482 --> 00:36:48,896 to integrate everybody, 934 00:36:48,896 --> 00:36:51,551 but maybe there were always cracks. 935 00:36:59,275 --> 00:37:01,172 Now it's all blown apart. 936 00:37:03,275 --> 00:37:05,689 [Robyn] When a new wife joins the family, 937 00:37:05,689 --> 00:37:09,275 you go through this process of adjusting. 938 00:37:09,275 --> 00:37:11,034 There were some people that were willing 939 00:37:11,034 --> 00:37:13,482 to make the adjustments and were welcoming 940 00:37:13,482 --> 00:37:15,965 and then there was a lot that weren't. 941 00:37:16,793 --> 00:37:18,344 [Kody] When Robyn came in, the family, 942 00:37:18,344 --> 00:37:20,172 the only people who welcomed her warmly 943 00:37:20,172 --> 00:37:22,034 was just me and Meri. 944 00:37:22,034 --> 00:37:23,793 Mykelti has been talking a lot 945 00:37:23,793 --> 00:37:26,103 to Robyn's kids and Robyn 946 00:37:26,103 --> 00:37:29,034 and they've just expressed a lot of frustration 947 00:37:29,034 --> 00:37:31,344 over when the family's blended, how they felt. 948 00:37:31,344 --> 00:37:34,413 It's all really unfortunately more messy than I thought. 949 00:37:35,034 --> 00:37:36,551 And it is really sad. 950 00:37:37,896 --> 00:37:39,379 There's gotta be some sort of a joke 951 00:37:39,379 --> 00:37:40,482 about how many sister wives 952 00:37:40,482 --> 00:37:41,689 - Yeah. - does it take to assemble a tree. 953 00:37:41,689 --> 00:37:43,172 Could you see how there's that little notch? 954 00:37:43,172 --> 00:37:45,241 - Yeah. - And there's a little thing. 955 00:37:45,241 --> 00:37:46,103 - [Christine] Ready? - [Janelle] Okay. 956 00:37:46,103 --> 00:37:46,965 Watch this magic. 957 00:37:48,034 --> 00:37:50,482 Oh. [laughs] 958 00:37:50,482 --> 00:37:51,689 Here we go. Okay. 959 00:37:51,689 --> 00:37:53,000 - All right. - So it's harder to line up than you think. 960 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:53,689 It's... It is. 961 00:37:53,689 --> 00:37:54,586 - Let's cut this off now. - Okay. 962 00:37:54,586 --> 00:37:55,586 - Where's your... - Here. 963 00:37:55,586 --> 00:37:56,896 It's very, very small. 964 00:37:56,896 --> 00:37:59,103 It's just a cute little tree. 965 00:37:59,103 --> 00:38:01,241 So let's see if the couch fits. 966 00:38:01,241 --> 00:38:02,482 - Sure. - [indistinct chatter] 967 00:38:02,482 --> 00:38:04,241 [Janelle] Christmas trees are a fun thing. 968 00:38:04,241 --> 00:38:05,379 They're a happy thing 969 00:38:05,379 --> 00:38:07,034 and I get to change the color. 970 00:38:07,034 --> 00:38:08,793 Technology is a amazing thing. 971 00:38:08,793 --> 00:38:10,379 The tree is great there. I love it. 972 00:38:10,379 --> 00:38:11,586 And the dog beds can be-- 973 00:38:11,586 --> 00:38:13,241 The dog beds are there and they're cozy. 974 00:38:13,241 --> 00:38:14,965 - I don't know where the dog beds usually go. - [Janelle] Yeah. 975 00:38:14,965 --> 00:38:17,896 I don't either, but 'cause they usually sleep on the... 976 00:38:17,896 --> 00:38:20,896 They sit on the couch unless Kody's here. 977 00:38:20,896 --> 00:38:23,241 We have kind of different rules when Kody's here. 978 00:38:23,241 --> 00:38:25,793 The dogs aren't on the couches. 979 00:38:25,793 --> 00:38:27,793 When Kody wasn't over, 980 00:38:27,793 --> 00:38:29,137 oh, we play, 981 00:38:29,137 --> 00:38:30,241 we play like crazy. 982 00:38:30,241 --> 00:38:31,344 We'd have popcorn for dinner 983 00:38:31,344 --> 00:38:33,172 sometimes for goodness sakes. 984 00:38:33,172 --> 00:38:34,586 There's so many things we always do different 985 00:38:34,586 --> 00:38:37,379 when Kody wasn't around versus when he was there. 986 00:38:37,379 --> 00:38:38,758 It was really funny. 987 00:38:38,758 --> 00:38:40,482 We go to bed later when he's not there. 988 00:38:40,482 --> 00:38:42,172 [laughs] 989 00:38:42,172 --> 00:38:44,862 It's kind of a fun perk of polygamy. 990 00:38:44,862 --> 00:38:46,793 It was like either just the two of us 991 00:38:46,793 --> 00:38:47,793 or the three of us. 992 00:38:47,793 --> 00:38:49,172 We would just go to a movie 993 00:38:49,172 --> 00:38:50,586 or go to dinner or something, 994 00:38:50,586 --> 00:38:53,586 you know, just make it pretty simple and basic. 995 00:38:53,586 --> 00:38:54,586 I do wanna ask, and I don't know 996 00:38:54,586 --> 00:38:56,172 if it's too personal or anything like that, 997 00:38:56,172 --> 00:38:57,448 but... 998 00:38:59,034 --> 00:39:00,137 you and Kody are fine then? 999 00:39:00,137 --> 00:39:01,034 You and Kody are good 1000 00:39:01,034 --> 00:39:02,034 as far as your relationship goes 'cause-- 1001 00:39:02,034 --> 00:39:04,241 No, we're... We have to... 1002 00:39:04,241 --> 00:39:06,000 I think what's happened is the kids, 1003 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,000 like when everybody moved out, 1004 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,586 I think it was just kind of one of those things 1005 00:39:09,586 --> 00:39:10,689 where all of a sudden, we're like, 1006 00:39:10,689 --> 00:39:12,482 oh, I don't know. 1007 00:39:12,482 --> 00:39:14,413 How do we do this, just the two of us? 1008 00:39:15,034 --> 00:39:16,137 I don't know what to do. 1009 00:39:16,137 --> 00:39:18,379 We're both sort of like, okay, did we... 1010 00:39:18,379 --> 00:39:20,275 Do we keep working for this? Do we... 1011 00:39:20,275 --> 00:39:22,793 What... Keep working with this, what do you mean? 1012 00:39:22,793 --> 00:39:25,034 Like, I don't know. Like, I mean, I don't know. 1013 00:39:25,034 --> 00:39:26,482 He seems so set 1014 00:39:26,482 --> 00:39:28,689 about the kids respecting him 1015 00:39:28,689 --> 00:39:31,034 and my kids are like, "What?" 1016 00:39:31,034 --> 00:39:33,000 I'm not gonna sit here and try to put together 1017 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,896 this relationship post children leaving 1018 00:39:35,896 --> 00:39:37,379 when there's not a whole lot in common. 1019 00:39:37,379 --> 00:39:39,793 I don't even know who this guy is anymore. 1020 00:39:39,793 --> 00:39:42,379 Like I just don't see that it's really worth the work. 1021 00:39:42,379 --> 00:39:43,551 Everybody's angry. 1022 00:39:44,172 --> 00:39:46,000 Everybody's angry, right? 1023 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,379 Even in troubled times, 1024 00:39:47,379 --> 00:39:49,172 we still were able to get together and put distance... 1025 00:39:49,172 --> 00:39:50,793 Like differences aside and we're putting aside-- 1026 00:39:50,793 --> 00:39:53,137 And now they're on this big... They're beating this big drum. 1027 00:39:53,137 --> 00:39:54,793 We can no longer sweep it under the rug. 1028 00:39:54,793 --> 00:39:56,000 I'm like, okay. 1029 00:39:56,689 --> 00:39:58,034 Now that Robyn and Kody and the kids 1030 00:39:58,034 --> 00:39:59,379 have all had COVID, 1031 00:39:59,379 --> 00:40:01,379 and there's no longer this need to separate 1032 00:40:01,379 --> 00:40:02,896 for fear of the disease. 1033 00:40:02,896 --> 00:40:05,413 We can't get together until we sort this all out. 1034 00:40:06,103 --> 00:40:08,000 Now, that's their new drum. 1035 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,034 It's the new excuse to keep everybody apart. 1036 00:40:11,034 --> 00:40:12,793 So there's a lot of moving pieces 1037 00:40:12,793 --> 00:40:14,379 and there's a lot. 1038 00:40:14,379 --> 00:40:16,862 And I'm worried that we're not gonna do the work 1039 00:40:16,862 --> 00:40:18,275 because everybody's so angry. 1040 00:40:18,275 --> 00:40:21,379 - Kody is so angry about this. - Yeah. 1041 00:40:21,379 --> 00:40:25,586 He's getting... angrier and angrier 1042 00:40:25,586 --> 00:40:27,034 and he is getting sharper and sharper 1043 00:40:27,034 --> 00:40:29,241 and more black and white with me 1044 00:40:29,241 --> 00:40:31,137 about these kids need to respect me. 1045 00:40:31,137 --> 00:40:32,793 Ew, really? 1046 00:40:32,793 --> 00:40:34,034 It was just getting harder. 1047 00:40:34,034 --> 00:40:36,275 It's just... It's just getting so hard, 1048 00:40:36,275 --> 00:40:38,379 like it's getting really complicated. 1049 00:40:38,379 --> 00:40:40,482 - Ah, Janelle. - So I don't know. 1050 00:40:40,482 --> 00:40:42,482 Like, I mean we're not... We're not getting divorced. 1051 00:40:42,482 --> 00:40:43,379 We're not walking away. 1052 00:40:43,379 --> 00:40:45,448 But it's like I don't know what to do. 1053 00:40:46,896 --> 00:40:48,413 So I don't know. 1054 00:40:50,241 --> 00:40:51,448 I'm so sorry. 1055 00:40:53,482 --> 00:40:54,793 You know, it's interesting 1056 00:40:54,793 --> 00:40:56,758 'cause there is a lot of... 1057 00:40:57,896 --> 00:41:01,137 unsettledness in the rest of my life. 1058 00:41:01,137 --> 00:41:03,862 But, you know, with my children and with Christine, 1059 00:41:03,862 --> 00:41:05,896 it seems to all be kind of normal. 1060 00:41:05,896 --> 00:41:08,482 It's like... It's like stable. 1061 00:41:08,482 --> 00:41:09,793 It's how it always was. 1062 00:41:09,793 --> 00:41:11,551 - We'll see you later. - All right. See ya. 1063 00:41:13,379 --> 00:41:15,103 [Christine] It's heavy. It feels really, really heavy. 1064 00:41:15,103 --> 00:41:16,551 It's super great to see her. 1065 00:41:18,862 --> 00:41:21,689 And her and Kody, I didn't think they were that bad. 1066 00:41:21,689 --> 00:41:23,000 Gosh, 1067 00:41:23,689 --> 00:41:25,275 things are pretty rough right now. 1068 00:41:25,275 --> 00:41:27,482 [somber music playing] 1069 00:41:27,482 --> 00:41:29,034 With Kody at odds with my children 1070 00:41:29,034 --> 00:41:31,482 and Kody and I at odds in our relationship, 1071 00:41:31,482 --> 00:41:32,965 really kind of gave me a time 1072 00:41:32,965 --> 00:41:34,758 to kind of reflect on what I needed 1073 00:41:34,758 --> 00:41:36,862 in my relationship going forward with Kody. 1074 00:41:36,862 --> 00:41:39,034 Kody and I weren't in that great a place 1075 00:41:39,034 --> 00:41:41,034 going into this situation. 1076 00:41:41,034 --> 00:41:43,103 And I don't know what the future is 1077 00:41:43,103 --> 00:41:46,000 for Kody and I really going forward. 1078 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,758 Can it be saved? I have no idea. 1079 00:41:53,034 --> 00:41:55,103 [narrator] Next time on Sister Wives... 1080 00:41:55,103 --> 00:41:56,793 You have cheated me 1081 00:41:56,793 --> 00:41:58,586 out of my contact with my family. 1082 00:41:58,586 --> 00:42:00,137 Kody, in the very beginning, I kept-- 1083 00:42:00,137 --> 00:42:02,344 No, no. No, you make this excuse forever. 1084 00:42:02,344 --> 00:42:04,344 - But I've-- - Shut your [bleep] mouth 1085 00:42:04,344 --> 00:42:05,689 and let me talk to you for a minute. 1086 00:42:05,689 --> 00:42:07,275 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 1087 00:42:07,275 --> 00:42:08,689 You won't... You keep cutting me off. 1088 00:42:08,689 --> 00:42:09,793 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 1089 00:42:09,793 --> 00:42:11,379 I don't expect you 1090 00:42:11,379 --> 00:42:14,586 to try and help us co-parent the kids. 1091 00:42:14,586 --> 00:42:16,241 Don't you dare point your finger at me. 1092 00:42:16,241 --> 00:42:19,172 I've been here day long, 1093 00:42:19,172 --> 00:42:22,379 in and out for all these years without your support. 1094 00:42:22,379 --> 00:42:25,379 - No. You stay and talk. - No, I'm done listening to you. 1095 00:42:25,379 --> 00:42:27,000 You stay and talk. 1096 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,034 No, I'm not going to 1097 00:42:29,034 --> 00:42:30,689 because you're not listening. 1098 00:42:30,689 --> 00:42:31,689 You're not listening to me. 1099 00:42:31,689 --> 00:42:33,034 And I'm not going to. 1100 00:42:33,034 --> 00:42:34,103 - [Janelle] Okay. So we're done? - Goodbye. 1101 00:42:34,103 --> 00:42:35,758 [bleep] you. 1102 00:42:36,172 --> 00:42:37,379 [door slams]