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This whole thing
with Kody and Christine
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has just floored me.
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I'm trying really hard
not to cry.
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Are you angry with her?
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Are you struggling with her?
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It's not what
I would've expected
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from Christine
to just walk away.
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We need to kind of carry
the torch
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'cause he's been kind
of carrying it and he's tired.
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Life is heavy on him,
like he doesn't smile,
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he doesn't laugh.
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I don't recognize him.
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- How's it going?
- How are you?
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I really, really would like
to have an amiable divorce.
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You know, and be able
to talk to him about stuff.
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I'm not feeling
like I'm in a great place.
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So Gwendlyn's not gonna
be here for Christmas?
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Uh-uh.
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I was sick
during her birthday.
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And you were also out of it.
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She was...
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Was she thinking
that was funny, too?
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What are you gonna do?
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Like, you can either laugh
about things
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or cry about things.
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And if you can't look back
with a sense of humor,
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what a waste.
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Well, I'm not laughing.
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I'm not laughing here.
I'm not laughing.
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I haven't been laughing
with her leaving.
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I'm not married
to him anymore.
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It's so freaking awesome.
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I've really struggled.
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I've been pretty grouchy.
Very, very angry.
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So you're still, kind of,
angry and stuff?
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We were talking with Janelle
the other day.
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I literally lost my [bleep].
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I just survived a really,
really dark place.
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I understand that.
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You don't give
a [bleep] though.
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Look at you dismissing it.
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Okay.
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Would you ever have
any empathy for me?
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Can we just keep talking--
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When you're in pain,
I try to understand you.
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Kody.
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Janelle,
this is a really bad idea
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for you to walk off
on this one.
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Well, you... All you're doing
is yelling at me.
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Yeah. I've got anger issues.
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I don't wanna be here.
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I don't wanna be here
with her.
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I know that Kody's mad.
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I've known that Kody's been
mad for a long time.
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I mean, it's just obvious.
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He just...
He just is always mad.
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Christine herself,
her face doesn't bother me.
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It's what she's doing
with our children,
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talking behind my back
about the reason she left.
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Kody can get mad at me
about a lot of things.
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He can name-call me.
That's just fine.
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When he sits there
and he tells me to my face
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that I am pitting
his children against him.
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No, no. That is not true.
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I am their sounding board.
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They get to talk to me
about things
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that are hard and I listen.
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You get me in the wrong place
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and I'm just venom
and vitriol.
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So sometimes
you still hate me.
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It's okay.
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I don't want you to pretend,
there's no point in that.
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I think
it gives you satisfaction
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if I did hate you.
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- It doesn't.
- Are you sure?
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It's heartbreaking.
It's heartbreaking.
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I really think about him less
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than he thinks
I think about him.
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I don't really even think
about him that much.
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Oh, my gosh.
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I wish I was more
ambivalent but--
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You don't have to pretend.
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I don't want you to pretend,
there's no point in that.
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I drive by your house
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and I'm having these, like,
literally anxiety attacks.
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Coming back to Flagstaff
is hard.
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It's so hard.
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I think she's Machiavellian.
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She plays nice
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while stabbing you
in the back.
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The evil thoughts I had
about you.
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- Yeah, that's okay.
- You know, like,
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you know, but I...
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And I was just, like,
eh, you know?
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So is grief over me
leaving more than anything?
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- It's grief of, um--
- Just that it's over.
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Something's over.
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Hmm. Even more than that.
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It was bigger than that.
It was my big picture.
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It's like he's trying
to blame me
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for destroying his big picture
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but doesn't see
that his actions
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over the course of 10 years
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is what has demolished
his big picture.
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You can't just pick favorites.
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You can't just stay
at one person's house
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and expect to still have
a big picture
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of a big, huge,
happy, big family.
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We don't even
have relationships
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with most of the people
in that picture.
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My relationship
with Christine was bad,
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is bad because of me
and Christine,
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not because of Robyn.
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Well...
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I'm really sorry.
This was never my intention.
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She's trying to say
it's heartbreaking.
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She's acting like,
in every way possible,
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that her life is better
than it has ever been.
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I've thought about doing
breakup counseling with you,
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like, hey, we're done.
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Let's get in a place
where we can be functional,
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'cause I don't wanna
sit here and--
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Post-breakup counseling?
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- Yes.
- What for?
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Well, maybe all I need
is grief counseling.
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Well, listen,
I gotta get in a place
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where I don't hate you.
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So I never speak bad
about you to my children.
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- Oh. That'd be great.
- That's my worry.
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If you need to have
some sort of, like,
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post-breakup counseling
with me,
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that's fine.
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The whole thing
is very heartbreaking
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and it's very sad.
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That's why I'm talking
about counseling.
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If we go through
something counseling.
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- Oh, sure.
- We get over it.
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We shake hands.
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We go,
"Hey, have a good life."
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I think counseling
would be good
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for Kody, some...
In one way or another.
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Kody's dealing
with a lot right now.
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I mean a lot.
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I sometimes wonder
how he's able
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to keep his head above water.
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I would do counseling
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with anybody in the family
that wanted to do it with me.
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I would do it with Christine.
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I'm open
to talking to someone.
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I feel like
we're gonna do this
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for the rest of our lives.
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You know,
be in each other's lives
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for the rest of our lives
still just 'cause, you know,
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we have kids together
and everything.
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Well, I'll ask Pat...
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if she's actually
practicing in Utah
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and we can set something up.
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- Sure.
- But I gotta ask a counselor
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if that's even a good idea.
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I feel like, yeah,
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I need to figure out
how to forgive her.
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That'd be a good idea.
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But am I ever gonna trust her?
Probably not.
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Kody's been bringing up
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going to counseling
and therapy for years.
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We're not going to do it.
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I'm just gonna
flat out tell you.
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We're just not going to.
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I think sometimes
Kody in his sort of,
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like, optimistic way
of looking at the world,
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his mental sunshine
kind of thing,
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that he sometimes will miss
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some of these red flags.
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Even when Christine
moved his stuff out,
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I really think he thought,
"We'll figure it out."
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For years, I cared.
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Whatever he needed.
Whatever he wanted.
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I wanted to be
the best wife ever.
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Even when it didn't matter
to him,
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I would have done anything
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he needed me to do.
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But I'm done.
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I'm done.
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I'm not going to do a thing
for him anymore.
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I just wanna eventually
be able to just be friends.
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It's more like
how do we move forward
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and be able to be
in each other's company
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and enjoy
each other's company.
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But I'd rather just come
from a sincere place
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of just being friends.
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I don't know if that's naive.
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I don't know either.
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There is no way for me
to enjoy her company.
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I don't understand
that she says that.
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I've seen Kody
over the last few years
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just get angrier and angrier.
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Like, I don't want
to sound like a jerk,
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but he's, like...
I've really...
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Just watching him and...
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seeing how he responds
to things,
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he just seems very angry.
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All right.
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Thank you
for meeting out with me.
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Well, okay.
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I don't even know
what to think
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about that conversation.
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Oh, my gosh.
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I'm just super grateful
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that I'm not married
to him anymore.
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Oh, my gosh.
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He's a lot.
He's just so intense.
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I'm gonna take off.
Thanks for lunch.
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- Well, see you...
- Okay. Thank you.
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I'll let you know next time
I come in town with True.
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All righty.
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It'll be like
in a couple weeks.
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- Sounds great.
- All right.
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- Thanks.
- Thank you. Thank you.
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One of the things
that is confusing for me
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is that I don't see
the deal-breakers
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between Kody and Christine,
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but I don't mean
to cast judgment,
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but I...
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And maybe it's just
my perception,
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but I don't see
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where either one of them
did something
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so heinous and horrible
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that it just had to end.
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And I can't seem
to kind of understand.
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I just want it to be done.
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I just wanted
to get away from her.
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It was just...
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I don't need any more of this.
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This was their first Thanksgiving
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in their new house
and I really wanted
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to be part of it.
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Janelle has decided
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that she'd rather hang out
with Christine.
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We're not working
like a family.
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We're acting like enemies.
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It's Thanksgiving...
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and I'm at Robyn's house
with Meri and the kids.
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I don't have my whole family
together again.
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This is the second
Thanksgiving in a row
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that we are not all together.
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Truely, Ysabel,
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and Paedon and I
are gonna go to Aspyn
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and Mitch's house
for Thanksgiving this year.
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They're lovely hosts.
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I'm super excited.
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They prepare wonderful food.
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- Such a Mom thing to say.
- I'm rubber and you're glue
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- whenever I think them--
- I didn't say that.
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- Everybody said it.
- You said that. You said that.
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I said it
because all of us said it.
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You used to say all the time.
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You'd be like,
and then, we would...
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Then you would insult us
and I'd say it back to you
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and you'd be like
"I already said it."
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Maddie and Caleb just bought
their first house.
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Like dating life,
I'd go, "Excuse me?"
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And you would go,
"Why, did you fart?"
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This was their first Thanksgiving
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in their new house
and I really wanted
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to be part of it.
267
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So that was an extra
fun bonus.
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Don't do that.
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You're tenderizing it.
270
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Okay. Look,
we're gonna rub some oil.
271
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- Okay?
- Rubadub-dub.
272
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Rub that oil on it.
273
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You don't wanna rub it?
274
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Rub the oil
all over the breasts.
275
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Mmm.
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All over the skin
and the turkey. Okay?
277
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My little... My babies
that are there, Maddie, Caleb,
278
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the grand babies,
Hunter, Savannah, and Ysabel.
279
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It was really fun.
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Very different
than the Thanksgivings
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I've had for many, many years,
but it was fun.
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Okay.
It's kinda sticky, right?
283
00:12:24,896 --> 00:12:26,000
It's supposed to be sort of...
284
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It's supposed to be
sort of sticky?
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Today for Thanksgiving
we're going over
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to Aspyn and Mitch's house.
287
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We're not filming it
288
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because it's Mitch's
family's year,
289
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but Aspyn and Mitch said
that we could come over
290
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'cause there's just
a few of us.
291
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Janelle's making
my rolls this year
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for Thanksgiving
at Maddie's house.
293
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Best compliment ever, right?
294
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Okay.
295
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- Too much flour.
- What's gonna happen?
296
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Have they already
risen once?
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00:12:51,206 --> 00:12:52,413
No.
298
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The dough
is a little bit sticky,
299
00:12:54,482 --> 00:12:56,586
but you're supposed
to be able to handle it.
300
00:12:56,586 --> 00:12:58,206
So if you can't handle
the dough,
301
00:12:58,206 --> 00:13:00,068
you just need to add
a little bit more flour.
302
00:13:00,068 --> 00:13:01,896
- Okay.
- Oh, it's okay.
303
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It's okay.
304
00:13:02,689 --> 00:13:04,000
It was, like,
I almost couldn't--
305
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000
Okay. All right.
306
00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,689
So this will be okay.
All right, cool.
307
00:13:08,689 --> 00:13:10,000
You know,
it's just one more piece
308
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that makes this Thanksgiving
feel a little bit
309
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more family oriented
to have Christine.
310
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Even if it's for just
a little bit to reassure me
311
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that the rolls are okay.
312
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- We're serving our kids.
- Do you wanna get maybe--
313
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There was a piece
where I kept thinking,
314
00:13:23,965 --> 00:13:25,689
I'm really, really
enjoying myself here.
315
00:13:25,689 --> 00:13:28,793
Should I feel guilty
that I'm enjoying myself here?
316
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This represents
a really big break
317
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in our family tradition.
318
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I mean, I had all
these mixed thoughts going on,
319
00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:36,482
but I really was happy
to be here.
320
00:13:39,689 --> 00:13:41,586
It was a really great day.
321
00:13:41,586 --> 00:13:43,689
We were having a lot of fun.
322
00:13:43,689 --> 00:13:45,034
It was just...
323
00:13:45,482 --> 00:13:47,172
It was perfect really.
324
00:13:49,206 --> 00:13:50,206
Our family has been hurting
325
00:13:50,206 --> 00:13:51,482
for a long time.
326
00:13:51,482 --> 00:13:54,000
We've done our best to...
327
00:13:55,206 --> 00:13:58,000
be as okay as possible,
328
00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,689
but there's still hurt
feelings from 12 years ago.
329
00:14:01,689 --> 00:14:03,689
It's just everything's
been accumulating
330
00:14:03,689 --> 00:14:05,586
and accumulating for years.
331
00:14:05,586 --> 00:14:07,172
It's at a breaking point.
332
00:14:07,172 --> 00:14:10,413
Sorry, it's just
at a breaking point.
333
00:14:10,413 --> 00:14:13,103
The big shakeup
wasn't caused by Robyn.
334
00:14:13,103 --> 00:14:16,379
It was caused by the fallout
of going public.
335
00:14:16,379 --> 00:14:19,172
And that decision
was made by our family
336
00:14:19,172 --> 00:14:20,862
before we met Robyn.
337
00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,793
You know, I was set
to have the holidays
338
00:14:24,793 --> 00:14:28,000
with the family here
in Flagstaff.
339
00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,689
But there's this huge
looming problem.
340
00:14:30,689 --> 00:14:32,862
You know,
I basically told the kids
341
00:14:32,862 --> 00:14:34,689
what their dad
was requiring of them
342
00:14:34,689 --> 00:14:36,655
in order to come
to Thanksgiving.
343
00:14:37,482 --> 00:14:39,275
That's what I did.
I delivered the facts.
344
00:14:39,275 --> 00:14:43,068
I delivered what he said.
He needs to do something here.
345
00:14:44,103 --> 00:14:45,310
He's the head of the family.
346
00:14:45,310 --> 00:14:46,586
He wants to be the patriarch.
347
00:14:46,586 --> 00:14:47,965
This is part of that role.
348
00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,206
I made the mistake
349
00:14:51,206 --> 00:14:53,586
of not managing
my family properly
350
00:14:53,586 --> 00:14:55,275
and Christine has left.
351
00:14:55,275 --> 00:14:57,206
And Janelle has decided
352
00:14:57,206 --> 00:14:59,103
because we're not
in the greatest place
353
00:14:59,103 --> 00:15:00,896
that she'd rather hang out
with Christine.
354
00:15:00,896 --> 00:15:02,896
We're not working
like a family.
355
00:15:02,896 --> 00:15:04,448
We're not a family.
356
00:15:05,172 --> 00:15:07,137
We're acting like enemies.
357
00:15:10,206 --> 00:15:11,896
We're all separated.
358
00:15:11,896 --> 00:15:15,551
Except for Meri and Kody and I
are together with my kids.
359
00:15:16,689 --> 00:15:19,000
You know, my three older kids
when I told them
360
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,793
that we were gonna be separate
for Thanksgiving again,
361
00:15:22,793 --> 00:15:25,068
they dealt with feelings
of rejection.
362
00:15:25,068 --> 00:15:28,275
They've dealt with feelings
of hurt and heartbreak.
363
00:15:28,275 --> 00:15:31,172
The question was asked
why don't they care
364
00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,551
and I...
365
00:15:40,206 --> 00:15:43,344
They've dealt with that
heartbreak before.
366
00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,206
To just reminding them
367
00:15:46,206 --> 00:15:48,172
that it's not
necessarily personal,
368
00:15:50,275 --> 00:15:51,689
apologizing to them
369
00:15:51,689 --> 00:15:54,034
for the being innocent parties
in this,
370
00:15:55,586 --> 00:15:57,482
that they're getting hurt
by this.
371
00:15:59,103 --> 00:16:00,482
I wish we would've
gotten things
372
00:16:00,482 --> 00:16:02,172
straightened out before now.
373
00:16:03,068 --> 00:16:04,275
There's been a lot of offense,
374
00:16:04,275 --> 00:16:06,172
a lot of struggle,
a lot of heartache.
375
00:16:06,172 --> 00:16:07,344
Um...
376
00:16:09,482 --> 00:16:10,586
and I don't...
377
00:16:10,586 --> 00:16:12,379
I don't know
what to do about it.
378
00:16:13,103 --> 00:16:14,896
And I hope that
over the next month
379
00:16:14,896 --> 00:16:15,896
or over the next year,
380
00:16:15,896 --> 00:16:17,689
I can get these things
straightened out
381
00:16:17,689 --> 00:16:20,000
and just find peace
and love...
382
00:16:23,068 --> 00:16:24,586
with my family.
383
00:16:24,586 --> 00:16:26,551
Everything's changing.
384
00:16:27,482 --> 00:16:29,689
And I guess I'm at peace.
385
00:16:29,689 --> 00:16:31,793
I'm in a very peaceful mood.
386
00:16:31,793 --> 00:16:34,689
I'm surrounded by people
who are not offended by me
387
00:16:34,689 --> 00:16:35,965
right now.
388
00:16:37,793 --> 00:16:40,206
I'm just sad about it.
389
00:16:40,206 --> 00:16:44,689
I'm just sad about that
this is what our family
390
00:16:44,689 --> 00:16:46,793
has turned into.
391
00:16:46,793 --> 00:16:51,000
Our holidays are not
the big family function
392
00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000
that they used to be.
393
00:16:55,586 --> 00:16:57,068
It's just sad.
394
00:16:58,172 --> 00:17:01,862
More than anything,
I am grateful right now
395
00:17:01,862 --> 00:17:03,586
for where I'm at
396
00:17:03,586 --> 00:17:07,172
that I have love and devotion
397
00:17:07,172 --> 00:17:08,482
with a portion of my family
398
00:17:08,482 --> 00:17:10,965
and I hope that
I can get more of that
399
00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,758
from more of my family
as we move on.
400
00:17:17,862 --> 00:17:21,586
I just finally went
why am I trying here?
401
00:17:21,586 --> 00:17:23,103
Everybody was trying to deflect
402
00:17:23,103 --> 00:17:25,034
but it just kept spiraling.
403
00:17:25,965 --> 00:17:27,137
And it was done.
404
00:17:27,137 --> 00:17:29,103
With some of the things
that were said and expressed,
405
00:17:29,103 --> 00:17:31,068
I don't know
if we ever come back.
406
00:17:31,068 --> 00:17:32,413
I don't think
Robyn's ever lived
407
00:17:32,413 --> 00:17:35,172
a plural marriage honestly.
408
00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,379
We just had
Thanksgiving yesterday
409
00:17:46,379 --> 00:17:50,655
at Aspyn and Mitch's house
and it was lovely.
410
00:17:50,655 --> 00:17:54,689
So last year
was more impactful for me
411
00:17:54,689 --> 00:17:56,034
when we did
Thanksgiving separate
412
00:17:56,034 --> 00:17:57,586
because I was choosing
to just leave
413
00:17:57,586 --> 00:17:59,482
even though I'm still living
in Flagstaff.
414
00:17:59,482 --> 00:18:02,689
But this year is probably
more impactful for Janelle
415
00:18:02,689 --> 00:18:04,586
because I think things...
416
00:18:04,586 --> 00:18:06,862
Well, things are just more
strained between her and Kody
417
00:18:06,862 --> 00:18:08,379
and everybody in Flagstaff
418
00:18:08,379 --> 00:18:10,103
but this year, like...
419
00:18:11,448 --> 00:18:12,551
we're just easygoing.
420
00:18:15,482 --> 00:18:17,379
Paedon came into town
for Thanksgiving
421
00:18:17,379 --> 00:18:19,896
and his favorite meal
is mock tapioca pudding,
422
00:18:19,896 --> 00:18:21,586
so we're going
to make that together.
423
00:18:21,586 --> 00:18:23,586
I'm gonna make him
make it with me.
424
00:18:23,586 --> 00:18:24,862
So separating an egg,
425
00:18:24,862 --> 00:18:26,034
you just carefully
break it in half.
426
00:18:26,034 --> 00:18:27,965
You don't wanna get
any of the yolk
427
00:18:27,965 --> 00:18:30,034
in with the white,
otherwise it won't mix.
428
00:18:30,034 --> 00:18:31,655
Mock tapioca pudding
was a recipe
429
00:18:31,655 --> 00:18:34,172
that I believe
my grandmother gave my mom
430
00:18:34,172 --> 00:18:37,551
and it became a comfort food
for all of us kids.
431
00:18:38,379 --> 00:18:41,172
So I do have to...
How are you...
432
00:18:41,172 --> 00:18:44,275
How are you feeling
about me living here and stuff
433
00:18:44,275 --> 00:18:45,793
and about divorce
and everything?
434
00:18:45,793 --> 00:18:47,103
Mom, I'm so happy
you live here.
435
00:18:47,103 --> 00:18:49,689
No, I love it.
Paedon, you're so happy here.
436
00:18:49,689 --> 00:18:51,379
I never moved to Flagstaff.
437
00:18:51,379 --> 00:18:53,103
I actually moved
to St. George.
438
00:18:53,103 --> 00:18:54,379
I started working
in St. George
439
00:18:54,379 --> 00:18:55,793
and then I joined
the military.
440
00:18:55,793 --> 00:18:58,275
I believe
I was at basic training
441
00:18:58,275 --> 00:19:01,275
when everybody moved
to Flagstaff.
442
00:19:01,275 --> 00:19:03,862
Paedon's my only son,
like, biologically
443
00:19:03,862 --> 00:19:05,103
and he's right smack dab
444
00:19:05,103 --> 00:19:06,689
in the middle
of all these girls.
445
00:19:06,689 --> 00:19:09,689
Um, and he's actually doing
really well in life right now.
446
00:19:09,689 --> 00:19:11,896
He lives in St. George, Utah.
It's about four hours away.
447
00:19:11,896 --> 00:19:13,965
There's always a lot
to catch up on.
448
00:19:13,965 --> 00:19:16,103
There's a lot...
Always a lot to talk about.
449
00:19:16,103 --> 00:19:17,034
And he's a talker.
450
00:19:17,034 --> 00:19:19,103
He just loves to sit
and have conversations.
451
00:19:23,586 --> 00:19:26,965
So, yeah, it was just,
it was time to leave
452
00:19:26,965 --> 00:19:30,000
and it was only, like... Yeah.
453
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,275
And I told him
I couldn't be, yeah,
454
00:19:31,275 --> 00:19:33,172
and, like,
I just wanna be friends.
455
00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:34,172
I just wanna be friends
with you.
456
00:19:34,172 --> 00:19:36,034
I think we're better friends
than anything else
457
00:19:36,034 --> 00:19:37,482
and I just wanna be friends.
458
00:19:37,482 --> 00:19:39,862
And his relationship
with you kids,
459
00:19:39,862 --> 00:19:42,379
I always hope it gets better.
460
00:19:42,379 --> 00:19:43,965
Like, what do you think
about that?
461
00:19:48,103 --> 00:19:50,000
Sorry. I didn't... Yeah.
462
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,275
- It's--
- I know.
463
00:19:51,275 --> 00:19:52,758
No, Mom, it's okay.
464
00:19:52,758 --> 00:19:55,275
And it's meant a lot to me
to hear Mom open about this.
465
00:19:55,275 --> 00:19:57,586
Not just talk about it,
but talk with me about it
466
00:19:57,586 --> 00:20:00,172
knowing that she trusts me
with this information.
467
00:20:00,172 --> 00:20:01,862
So Dad's had COVID now.
468
00:20:01,862 --> 00:20:04,275
Robyn's had COVID.
They've all had COVID now.
469
00:20:04,275 --> 00:20:05,965
They got very, very,
very sick,
470
00:20:05,965 --> 00:20:07,103
sicker than most people get.
So--
471
00:20:07,103 --> 00:20:08,965
It's because their
immune systems are terrible.
472
00:20:08,965 --> 00:20:10,689
- Stop it.
- Okay. Okay.
473
00:20:10,689 --> 00:20:12,103
All right. Stop it.
474
00:20:12,103 --> 00:20:15,103
His sarcasm is not helping
his anger.
475
00:20:15,103 --> 00:20:17,034
He's just been sarcastic
476
00:20:17,034 --> 00:20:18,448
and I don't want him
to be rude.
477
00:20:18,448 --> 00:20:20,586
Him just saying, yeah,
and they lived,
478
00:20:20,586 --> 00:20:21,551
that's not fair.
479
00:20:21,551 --> 00:20:23,965
Dad didn't really like
what I was choosing
480
00:20:23,965 --> 00:20:26,275
but I had...
481
00:20:26,275 --> 00:20:29,827
I make the choices
that I make because I--
482
00:20:30,758 --> 00:20:33,103
My mom's kids
and Janelle's kids
483
00:20:33,103 --> 00:20:34,758
have chosen a side.
484
00:20:34,758 --> 00:20:37,034
To the best of my knowledge,
all of us chose my mom.
485
00:20:37,034 --> 00:20:41,172
Okay. Dad and choosing
Robyn's family for Christmas
486
00:20:41,172 --> 00:20:44,034
because we want to do
a Zoom call.
487
00:20:44,034 --> 00:20:47,103
That whole thing
got blown up
out of perspective completely,
488
00:20:47,103 --> 00:20:49,344
and I'm hoping that
that one can get fixed.
489
00:20:51,103 --> 00:20:52,896
A few weeks ago,
Logan texted
490
00:20:52,896 --> 00:20:54,862
a group chat of the siblings
491
00:20:54,862 --> 00:20:57,103
that he wants to do
a sibling gift exchange.
492
00:20:57,103 --> 00:20:58,448
And somebody said, okay,
493
00:20:58,448 --> 00:21:00,103
let's tell all the parents
about this.
494
00:21:00,103 --> 00:21:02,482
And Robyn gets involved
in the conversation
495
00:21:02,482 --> 00:21:04,241
and says
let's do a video chat.
496
00:21:05,172 --> 00:21:06,172
It's hard for the kids
497
00:21:06,172 --> 00:21:08,551
to just jump on a call
at the drop of a hat.
498
00:21:08,551 --> 00:21:09,689
They're not opposed to it.
499
00:21:09,689 --> 00:21:11,172
They just wanna
have it scheduled.
500
00:21:11,172 --> 00:21:12,379
They were amiable.
501
00:21:12,379 --> 00:21:13,758
They just didn't see
502
00:21:13,758 --> 00:21:15,448
how they could
make it really work.
503
00:21:15,448 --> 00:21:19,758
I was pushing
for the video chat
504
00:21:19,758 --> 00:21:21,482
for the sake of the kids.
505
00:21:21,482 --> 00:21:23,482
When I was getting
all this pushback,
506
00:21:23,482 --> 00:21:25,275
I just finally went,
507
00:21:25,275 --> 00:21:27,379
"Why am I trying here?"
508
00:21:27,379 --> 00:21:29,862
And I was like,
"Fine, I'm out."
509
00:21:29,862 --> 00:21:32,000
You know,
this is an effort in futility.
510
00:21:34,586 --> 00:21:35,862
So we're even at one point,
511
00:21:35,862 --> 00:21:37,275
she said my kids
don't even remember
512
00:21:37,275 --> 00:21:38,758
who their siblings are.
513
00:21:38,758 --> 00:21:40,482
And Hunter was like,
one video call
514
00:21:40,482 --> 00:21:42,103
is not gonna help that.
515
00:21:44,103 --> 00:21:46,275
And it got blown out
of proportion
516
00:21:46,275 --> 00:21:50,000
that they didn't
wanna hang out
517
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,034
and then suddenly
no one wanted to hang out
518
00:21:52,034 --> 00:21:53,103
and then
all of these hurt feelings
519
00:21:53,103 --> 00:21:55,482
about when Robyn first came
into the family
520
00:21:55,482 --> 00:21:59,448
and came out
and, it's like oh, my gosh.
521
00:21:59,448 --> 00:22:01,448
Then it just turned
into this whole big,
522
00:22:01,448 --> 00:22:05,034
like, kind of squabble
523
00:22:05,034 --> 00:22:07,482
between my kids
524
00:22:07,482 --> 00:22:10,586
and a bunch of the other kids.
525
00:22:10,586 --> 00:22:14,655
It really just got blown out
of proportion I think.
526
00:22:17,655 --> 00:22:20,275
Everyone's
emotions just ran super high.
527
00:22:20,275 --> 00:22:21,965
Gwendlyn tried
to lighten it all up
528
00:22:21,965 --> 00:22:23,793
and that went really bad.
529
00:22:23,793 --> 00:22:25,482
Everybody was trying
to deflect
530
00:22:25,482 --> 00:22:27,241
but it just kept spiraling.
531
00:22:28,172 --> 00:22:29,379
And it was done.
532
00:22:29,379 --> 00:22:31,275
With some of the things
that were said and expressed,
533
00:22:31,275 --> 00:22:33,896
I don't know
if we ever come back from it.
534
00:22:33,896 --> 00:22:35,896
So when this
text thread was going on,
535
00:22:35,896 --> 00:22:37,172
I was just ignoring it.
536
00:22:37,172 --> 00:22:39,275
I wasn't gonna pick sides
one way or the other.
537
00:22:39,275 --> 00:22:40,965
Janelle and Christine's kids
have already chosen
538
00:22:40,965 --> 00:22:42,103
Janelle and Christine.
539
00:22:42,103 --> 00:22:44,172
I always wanted
to have the family
540
00:22:44,172 --> 00:22:45,517
have Christmas together.
541
00:22:46,758 --> 00:22:48,758
It was a horrible day.
542
00:22:50,862 --> 00:22:53,241
I think Robyn jumped
to conclusions too fast.
543
00:22:54,551 --> 00:22:56,275
It's just another example
544
00:22:56,275 --> 00:22:59,586
of them not wanting
to be a family with us.
545
00:22:59,586 --> 00:23:01,758
It's been like this
from the beginning.
546
00:23:04,034 --> 00:23:06,482
By the time the whole thing
was over with,
547
00:23:06,482 --> 00:23:09,448
my older kids Dayton,
Aurora, and Breanna,
548
00:23:09,448 --> 00:23:10,862
did not feel comfortable
549
00:23:10,862 --> 00:23:13,103
being involved
in the gift exchange anymore.
550
00:23:13,103 --> 00:23:14,551
My children came away saying,
551
00:23:14,551 --> 00:23:16,034
"Look,
what the heck happened?"
552
00:23:16,034 --> 00:23:17,896
When we first went public,
553
00:23:17,896 --> 00:23:19,172
the purpose of going public
554
00:23:19,172 --> 00:23:22,103
was to say polygamy works.
555
00:23:22,103 --> 00:23:24,344
I don't think it works
in my family anymore.
556
00:23:25,586 --> 00:23:28,586
My kids and I think
it's heartbreaking and stupid
557
00:23:28,586 --> 00:23:30,827
because we don't understand.
558
00:23:34,379 --> 00:23:38,758
And here it is just another
reaffirmation of everything,
559
00:23:38,758 --> 00:23:41,758
all the messages we're getting
560
00:23:41,758 --> 00:23:45,344
that we're the outsiders
and we're on the other side.
561
00:23:46,379 --> 00:23:47,689
We're not.
562
00:23:47,689 --> 00:23:48,758
We refuse to be.
563
00:23:48,758 --> 00:23:50,793
We don't know what else to do.
564
00:23:50,793 --> 00:23:54,172
I know that you kids
have really struggled
565
00:23:54,172 --> 00:23:55,103
with his choices.
566
00:23:55,103 --> 00:23:56,448
It's very frustrating.
567
00:23:56,448 --> 00:23:57,379
I know.
568
00:23:57,379 --> 00:23:58,482
I'm trying to, like, make it
569
00:23:58,482 --> 00:24:00,551
so he can have a relationship
with his dad.
570
00:24:01,482 --> 00:24:03,758
But his dad has picked sides.
571
00:24:03,758 --> 00:24:06,103
His dad is doing Christmas
with Robyn and her kids
572
00:24:06,103 --> 00:24:07,103
and Meri.
573
00:24:07,103 --> 00:24:08,965
But he's picked sides.
574
00:24:08,965 --> 00:24:10,379
In front of Paedon,
I'm gonna say I think
575
00:24:10,379 --> 00:24:11,275
we can work all this out.
576
00:24:11,275 --> 00:24:13,034
I think everything's
going to be fine.
577
00:24:13,034 --> 00:24:14,275
Is it going to be?
578
00:24:14,275 --> 00:24:15,241
No.
579
00:24:21,034 --> 00:24:21,862
Yeah.
580
00:24:22,448 --> 00:24:23,517
Yeah.
581
00:24:31,103 --> 00:24:32,586
Yeah, good.
582
00:24:32,586 --> 00:24:33,551
Good.
583
00:24:33,551 --> 00:24:36,172
It's really important
for wives and mothers
584
00:24:36,172 --> 00:24:40,172
to help those relationships
585
00:24:40,172 --> 00:24:42,275
that the dad has
with his children
586
00:24:42,275 --> 00:24:44,862
because he's not there
all the time.
587
00:24:44,862 --> 00:24:47,758
It is my responsibility
to be a mom
588
00:24:47,758 --> 00:24:50,034
and to be a mother
and it's my favorite thing
589
00:24:50,034 --> 00:24:52,000
that I do in this life.
590
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,793
It's his responsibility
591
00:24:53,793 --> 00:24:55,793
to create a good relationship
with his children
592
00:24:55,793 --> 00:24:57,758
and it always has been.
593
00:24:57,758 --> 00:25:00,103
You have an amazing friend
594
00:25:00,103 --> 00:25:01,344
and...
595
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:03,896
it's not like where you are.
596
00:25:03,896 --> 00:25:05,482
Thank you.
597
00:25:05,482 --> 00:25:07,103
I love it.
598
00:25:07,103 --> 00:25:11,655
Once again, I feel like
our family is just dividing.
599
00:25:11,655 --> 00:25:15,172
I think we're looking at
a permanent separation.
600
00:25:15,172 --> 00:25:16,275
All right. Thank you.
601
00:25:16,275 --> 00:25:17,448
Hey, when are you
moving up here
602
00:25:17,448 --> 00:25:18,275
since we're up here now?
603
00:25:18,275 --> 00:25:19,275
- A while.
- Yeah?
604
00:25:19,275 --> 00:25:20,034
It'll be... It'll be a minute.
605
00:25:20,034 --> 00:25:21,172
I know you have
your commitments.
606
00:25:21,172 --> 00:25:22,379
- It's fine.
- Yeah, a few commitments.
607
00:25:22,379 --> 00:25:23,448
It's always nice to see you.
608
00:25:26,862 --> 00:25:28,275
I don't think
Robyn's ever lived
609
00:25:28,275 --> 00:25:30,758
plural marriage honestly.
610
00:25:31,586 --> 00:25:32,793
Because as soon as...
611
00:25:32,793 --> 00:25:33,965
as soon as she came
to the family,
612
00:25:33,965 --> 00:25:36,103
even before
they got married...
613
00:25:36,103 --> 00:25:37,689
I just don't wanna
go down that route.
614
00:25:37,689 --> 00:25:42,103
It just doesn't help
with anything.
615
00:25:42,103 --> 00:25:43,965
I left Kody
616
00:25:43,965 --> 00:25:46,172
because I could see
he had favorites.
617
00:25:46,172 --> 00:25:49,862
Well, when you have a wife
that's a favorite,
618
00:25:49,862 --> 00:25:51,586
your other kids are gonna see
619
00:25:51,586 --> 00:25:53,758
and they're gonna have
a hard time with that.
620
00:25:53,758 --> 00:25:55,965
It doesn't mean that they
don't accept her
621
00:25:55,965 --> 00:25:58,482
but they don't accept as much
as Kody did then I guess.
622
00:25:58,482 --> 00:26:00,344
Just... God.
623
00:26:04,379 --> 00:26:06,275
You're gonna go in
and get your ears pierced.
624
00:26:06,275 --> 00:26:07,586
How are you feeling right now?
625
00:26:07,586 --> 00:26:10,172
I'm feeling very anxious.
626
00:26:10,172 --> 00:26:11,793
I kind of have
a confession to make,
627
00:26:11,793 --> 00:26:13,034
is, I went
and got my ear pierced
628
00:26:13,034 --> 00:26:14,551
when I was a sophomore
in high school.
629
00:26:14,896 --> 00:26:15,931
What?
630
00:26:25,137 --> 00:26:26,793
We're fumbling
through the holidays.
631
00:26:26,793 --> 00:26:28,275
And it's been really sad
632
00:26:28,275 --> 00:26:30,448
because we didn't all gather
for Thanksgiving.
633
00:26:30,448 --> 00:26:31,793
It seems like
634
00:26:31,793 --> 00:26:35,000
there's this lack of
real desire to get together.
635
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,068
But right now, I'm excited
636
00:26:36,068 --> 00:26:37,655
about my experience
with Aurora
637
00:26:37,655 --> 00:26:39,793
and I'm looking forward
to that.
638
00:26:39,793 --> 00:26:41,793
- Aurora,
you're gonna go in...
- Yes.
639
00:26:41,793 --> 00:26:43,000
and get your pierced.
640
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,275
How are you feeling right now?
641
00:26:44,275 --> 00:26:47,000
I'm feeling very anxious,
642
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,379
butterflies in my stomach
but I'm very excited.
643
00:26:50,379 --> 00:26:53,241
I used to have an unfavorable
opinion about ear piercing.
644
00:26:53,241 --> 00:26:55,379
The original paradigm
that we were coming from
645
00:26:55,379 --> 00:26:57,068
and our family agreement was
646
00:26:57,068 --> 00:26:58,448
that we wouldn't
have piercings.
647
00:27:02,793 --> 00:27:05,655
When I first married Meri,
she didn't have pierced ears.
648
00:27:06,379 --> 00:27:08,896
And her mother and I
chatted about it
649
00:27:08,896 --> 00:27:10,172
and Meri's mom was like...
650
00:27:10,172 --> 00:27:14,000
Grandma Bonnie, was like
piercing ears is against,
651
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,344
you know, the gospel,
652
00:27:15,344 --> 00:27:16,448
the word of the gospel, like,
653
00:27:16,448 --> 00:27:17,689
you're not supposed to
pierce ears.
654
00:27:17,689 --> 00:27:20,068
I know that in the church
that I grew up in,
655
00:27:20,068 --> 00:27:23,000
that was, like, a big thing.
656
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,344
You just don't
pierce your ears.
657
00:27:24,344 --> 00:27:26,689
If God had wanted holes
in your ears,
658
00:27:26,689 --> 00:27:28,862
He would've put them
there Himself,
659
00:27:29,379 --> 00:27:30,448
you know?
660
00:27:33,275 --> 00:27:34,793
Jill's coming
into the family, hey,
661
00:27:34,793 --> 00:27:36,793
you know, we're not
gonna have pierced ears
662
00:27:36,793 --> 00:27:39,241
because our church leaders
don't like it, you know.
663
00:27:40,896 --> 00:27:42,793
I even took
my earrings out
664
00:27:42,793 --> 00:27:44,275
and I know it seems
like a silly thing
665
00:27:44,275 --> 00:27:46,620
but you know what,
when you're trying to live...
666
00:27:47,448 --> 00:27:49,896
righteously and have a faith
667
00:27:49,896 --> 00:27:52,275
and you wanna
embrace your faith,
668
00:27:52,275 --> 00:27:54,275
there are little
things like that.
669
00:27:54,275 --> 00:27:56,793
When I met Christine,
she had two piercings
670
00:27:56,793 --> 00:28:00,068
and I'm kind of weird about...
671
00:28:00,068 --> 00:28:01,689
Squeamish about piercings
in a way,
672
00:28:01,689 --> 00:28:04,275
so, like, two piercings
was like, oh, too much.
673
00:28:04,275 --> 00:28:06,068
He told me
how he hated earrings
674
00:28:06,068 --> 00:28:07,793
and I had two on each ear,
675
00:28:07,793 --> 00:28:10,655
so I stopped wearing earrings
forever ago.
676
00:28:12,379 --> 00:28:13,655
I wanna do my family right,
677
00:28:13,655 --> 00:28:15,068
you know, we're gonna
"play by the rules"
678
00:28:15,068 --> 00:28:15,896
type of thing.
679
00:28:15,896 --> 00:28:17,379
And then Robyn
comes to the family
680
00:28:17,379 --> 00:28:18,551
and Robyn's got piercings
681
00:28:18,551 --> 00:28:20,241
and her dad
took her to get 'em.
682
00:28:23,482 --> 00:28:26,172
He told me
that his other wives
683
00:28:26,172 --> 00:28:28,379
had given up their earrings.
684
00:28:28,379 --> 00:28:30,000
And it was
right around Christmas
685
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,586
and I found out what a grump
he was through Christmas,
686
00:28:32,586 --> 00:28:34,586
and he hated
the commercialism
687
00:28:34,586 --> 00:28:35,689
surrounding Christmas.
688
00:28:35,689 --> 00:28:37,793
And it was always
like this pressure
689
00:28:37,793 --> 00:28:40,448
to make sure that everybody
got something special.
690
00:28:40,448 --> 00:28:42,344
And so I made him a deal.
691
00:28:42,344 --> 00:28:44,448
I will take out my earrings
692
00:28:44,448 --> 00:28:46,689
and I'll never
wear them again
693
00:28:46,689 --> 00:28:49,482
if you'll be happy and jolly,
694
00:28:49,482 --> 00:28:53,137
you know, it's from
Thanksgiving until New Year's.
695
00:28:53,137 --> 00:28:55,068
My attitude
gradually changed about it.
696
00:28:55,068 --> 00:28:56,896
Robyn started the...
697
00:28:56,896 --> 00:28:58,344
My sister wives' closet
698
00:28:58,344 --> 00:28:59,655
and I went, "Hey,
this whole earring thing
699
00:28:59,655 --> 00:29:00,793
has gotten stupid."
700
00:29:00,793 --> 00:29:03,551
So I'm okay with, you know,
701
00:29:03,551 --> 00:29:05,379
like I don't want
a whole bunch of piercings,
702
00:29:05,379 --> 00:29:06,689
but with piercings.
703
00:29:06,689 --> 00:29:07,689
Kody got over it
704
00:29:07,689 --> 00:29:09,655
'cause I mean,
I'm obviously wearing them.
705
00:29:09,655 --> 00:29:12,482
I don't know
what changed for him.
706
00:29:12,482 --> 00:29:14,241
I just decided
I really liked them
707
00:29:14,241 --> 00:29:15,517
and I was gonna
put them back in.
708
00:29:16,482 --> 00:29:18,275
And I was over 18,
709
00:29:18,275 --> 00:29:20,000
so I wasn't
breaking any rules.
710
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,137
And, you know,
Kody didn't really care,
711
00:29:22,137 --> 00:29:23,689
but he...
We still kind of felt
712
00:29:23,689 --> 00:29:25,551
like we needed to enforce
the same rules
713
00:29:25,551 --> 00:29:27,275
for the older kids
as we did the younger kids
714
00:29:27,275 --> 00:29:28,689
so we kind of held to the 18.
715
00:29:28,689 --> 00:29:31,275
I still don't have
pierced ears.
716
00:29:31,275 --> 00:29:33,793
That is purely
just because of my skin,
717
00:29:33,793 --> 00:29:35,000
I'm allergic to all medals,
718
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,068
so I'm just not
gonna mess with it.
719
00:29:37,068 --> 00:29:39,275
This will be the first time
720
00:29:39,275 --> 00:29:41,896
I've ever gone
with one of my daughters
721
00:29:41,896 --> 00:29:43,137
to get their ears pierced.
722
00:29:43,137 --> 00:29:44,586
For some reason
it never occurred to me
723
00:29:44,586 --> 00:29:45,896
that my mom
wanted to pierce...
724
00:29:45,896 --> 00:29:47,241
Get my ears pierced.
725
00:29:47,241 --> 00:29:49,793
I allowed myself to think
about it for myself.
726
00:29:49,793 --> 00:29:51,655
And then me and Dad
started talking about it
727
00:29:51,655 --> 00:29:54,137
and had this big huge
conversation about it,
728
00:29:54,137 --> 00:29:56,068
and so now we are here.
729
00:29:56,655 --> 00:29:58,137
Woo-hoo.
730
00:29:58,137 --> 00:30:01,241
She was completely bought into
what I was saying
731
00:30:01,241 --> 00:30:02,551
and she thought about it a lot
732
00:30:02,551 --> 00:30:03,896
and discussed it with me
and her mom
733
00:30:03,896 --> 00:30:05,517
and said, "I wanna do it."
734
00:30:06,448 --> 00:30:07,896
It's kind of the benchmark
735
00:30:07,896 --> 00:30:10,896
'cause Aurora wasn't going to
pierce her ears
736
00:30:10,896 --> 00:30:12,551
out of respect for me.
737
00:30:12,551 --> 00:30:15,793
And I didn't want my daughters
having their ears pierced.
738
00:30:15,793 --> 00:30:19,241
And my value
or my perspective on that
739
00:30:19,241 --> 00:30:20,689
has changed completely.
740
00:30:20,689 --> 00:30:23,689
And so now
I'm going with Aurora,
741
00:30:23,689 --> 00:30:24,896
kind of like a...
742
00:30:24,896 --> 00:30:26,448
Sort of a...
743
00:30:26,448 --> 00:30:28,655
An experience,
a daddy-daughter experience,
744
00:30:28,655 --> 00:30:31,620
and we're gonna go
get her ears pierced.
745
00:30:32,275 --> 00:30:34,379
Because of
the COVID restrictions,
746
00:30:34,379 --> 00:30:36,000
Robyn and I both can't go.
747
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,241
They'll only allow me to...
748
00:30:37,241 --> 00:30:39,448
Or one of us to go,
and Aurora picked me.
749
00:30:39,448 --> 00:30:41,551
And to be honest with you,
maybe Robyn
750
00:30:41,551 --> 00:30:43,000
might have promoted this
a little bit
751
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,793
because she has
this real great memory
752
00:30:44,793 --> 00:30:46,172
of her and her dad
753
00:30:46,172 --> 00:30:47,793
going and getting
her ears pierced.
754
00:30:47,793 --> 00:30:48,793
You're getting nervous.
755
00:30:48,793 --> 00:30:49,896
I could tell
you're all almost like shaky.
756
00:30:49,896 --> 00:30:50,896
I am very nervous.
757
00:30:50,896 --> 00:30:51,793
All right.
Well, let's go do it.
758
00:30:51,793 --> 00:30:53,172
But I am all right
with needles,
759
00:30:53,172 --> 00:30:54,551
so I think I'll be okay.
760
00:30:54,551 --> 00:30:55,551
It won't...
It won't take long.
761
00:30:55,551 --> 00:30:56,896
- Let's go.
- Okay.
762
00:30:56,896 --> 00:30:58,793
I'll be honest, I don't know
763
00:30:58,793 --> 00:31:00,551
when all my older daughters,
764
00:31:00,551 --> 00:31:02,000
when they got
their ears pierced.
765
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,448
I don't know if they did it,
766
00:31:03,448 --> 00:31:04,655
you know,
while they're still home.
767
00:31:04,655 --> 00:31:06,172
I don't... I don't
actually remember.
768
00:31:06,172 --> 00:31:08,068
I think all of our children,
769
00:31:08,068 --> 00:31:10,275
all of our girls
waited until they were 18
770
00:31:10,275 --> 00:31:11,482
to pierce their ears.
771
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,275
Kody had me on a video call,
772
00:31:15,275 --> 00:31:17,758
so I got to watch her grimace.
773
00:31:22,275 --> 00:31:25,655
I've had a deep appreciation
for how much
774
00:31:25,655 --> 00:31:28,275
Aurora has respected
my authority as the father
775
00:31:28,275 --> 00:31:29,551
and the head of our home.
776
00:31:32,379 --> 00:31:35,034
I just appreciate the respect
she's given me on that level.
777
00:31:35,448 --> 00:31:36,655
Wow.
778
00:31:37,172 --> 00:31:38,965
Let me see.
779
00:31:39,448 --> 00:31:40,448
Wow.
780
00:31:40,448 --> 00:31:42,137
That is so cool.
781
00:31:44,068 --> 00:31:47,793
It was just really cute
and fun and it was...
782
00:31:47,793 --> 00:31:50,551
And Kody being so sweet
and positive about it,
783
00:31:50,551 --> 00:31:52,793
it would've been so fun
to have him
784
00:31:52,793 --> 00:31:55,172
have this experience
with each of his girls.
785
00:31:55,172 --> 00:31:56,793
I kind of have
a confession to make,
786
00:31:56,793 --> 00:31:58,068
is, I went
and got my ear pierced
787
00:31:58,068 --> 00:31:59,172
when I was a sophomore
in high school.
788
00:31:59,172 --> 00:32:00,896
What?
789
00:32:00,896 --> 00:32:01,896
You did?
790
00:32:01,896 --> 00:32:03,068
Now you cut.
791
00:32:04,448 --> 00:32:05,344
What?
792
00:32:06,793 --> 00:32:08,965
You little hypocrite.
793
00:32:10,586 --> 00:32:11,896
So, yeah,
I got my ear pierced
794
00:32:11,896 --> 00:32:13,448
when I was a sophomore
in high school.
795
00:32:14,793 --> 00:32:16,793
Yeah. I knew Kody
had a pierced ear.
796
00:32:16,793 --> 00:32:17,793
Like he was so...
797
00:32:17,793 --> 00:32:19,793
Like, he wanted
to be the rock star.
798
00:32:19,793 --> 00:32:20,793
Kody was in this small town
799
00:32:20,793 --> 00:32:22,344
and he wanted to be
the big town guy
800
00:32:22,344 --> 00:32:24,793
and I think
he just was like...
801
00:32:24,793 --> 00:32:26,379
He was trying to be that guy.
802
00:32:26,379 --> 00:32:28,137
I remember Kody telling me
803
00:32:28,137 --> 00:32:29,689
that he got one
of his ears pierced
804
00:32:29,689 --> 00:32:30,482
when he was in high school.
805
00:32:30,482 --> 00:32:32,172
I feel like I could be wrong,
806
00:32:32,172 --> 00:32:34,137
but I feel like it was like
kind of a dare.
807
00:32:34,137 --> 00:32:37,000
My sister and I
are at a jewelry store
808
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,793
in a shopping mall
809
00:32:38,793 --> 00:32:41,586
and we're with one of her
girlfriends or something.
810
00:32:41,586 --> 00:32:42,896
I'm like, "Dare me to do it."
811
00:32:42,896 --> 00:32:44,448
And my sister
doesn't even say anything.
812
00:32:44,448 --> 00:32:45,482
And then I do it and I'm like,
813
00:32:45,482 --> 00:32:48,068
"Well, you dared me,"
you know?
814
00:32:48,068 --> 00:32:49,551
Got it on Saturday night.
815
00:32:49,551 --> 00:32:51,655
I did my best to hide it.
816
00:32:51,655 --> 00:32:53,172
Monday, I wore it to school,
817
00:32:53,172 --> 00:32:55,137
I had my heyday, took it out,
818
00:32:55,137 --> 00:32:56,862
made my mom cry.
819
00:32:58,551 --> 00:32:59,793
I had a lot of fun
820
00:32:59,793 --> 00:33:01,896
going with Aurora
and getting her ears pierced.
821
00:33:01,896 --> 00:33:04,344
It'll be a memory
locked in forever,
822
00:33:04,344 --> 00:33:06,586
just like the memory
of when I got my ear pierced
823
00:33:06,586 --> 00:33:09,448
and I'm glad I don't have
a pierced ear anymore.
824
00:33:13,275 --> 00:33:14,896
I don't know
what the future is
825
00:33:14,896 --> 00:33:15,896
for Kody and I.
826
00:33:15,896 --> 00:33:20,241
He's getting...
angrier and angrier
827
00:33:20,241 --> 00:33:21,689
and he's getting
sharper and sharper,
828
00:33:21,689 --> 00:33:23,689
and more black and white
with me.
829
00:33:23,689 --> 00:33:25,344
Gosh. I mean, her and Kody,
830
00:33:25,344 --> 00:33:27,344
I didn't think
they were that bad.
831
00:33:36,482 --> 00:33:39,586
I go to Flagstaff
every 10 to 14 days.
832
00:33:39,586 --> 00:33:41,689
It's just business related
and then it's really nice
833
00:33:41,689 --> 00:33:43,896
'cause then I can see
Janelle, and Savanah,
834
00:33:43,896 --> 00:33:45,586
and Gwendlyn, Gabe
and the boys and stuff,
835
00:33:45,586 --> 00:33:48,137
and it's awesome
to see everybody.
836
00:33:48,137 --> 00:33:49,586
- Hey.
- Oh, hey.
837
00:33:49,586 --> 00:33:52,137
So I just had to order
this new Christmas tree
838
00:33:52,137 --> 00:33:53,034
'cause, well, the...
839
00:33:53,034 --> 00:33:55,034
Mine is way too big
for this apartment.
840
00:33:55,034 --> 00:33:56,241
- You got a tree.
- Yes.
841
00:33:56,241 --> 00:33:57,379
- Is it pre-lit and everything?
- Yes.
842
00:33:57,379 --> 00:33:58,793
'Cause I've decided life...
843
00:33:58,793 --> 00:34:00,000
- Oh, my gosh.
- is too short
844
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,137
to wrap your own lights.
845
00:34:01,137 --> 00:34:02,137
I adore Janelle.
846
00:34:02,137 --> 00:34:04,793
I'm so glad that I have
a friendship with her.
847
00:34:04,793 --> 00:34:07,448
Janelle and I
got closer and closer...
848
00:34:08,586 --> 00:34:11,206
really a lot
since we moved to Flagstaff.
849
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,482
And with me leaving,
850
00:34:13,482 --> 00:34:15,103
she's just been so supportive.
851
00:34:15,103 --> 00:34:17,482
I've been there for her
like she has been for me
852
00:34:17,482 --> 00:34:19,793
'cause she's been extremely
853
00:34:19,793 --> 00:34:21,034
supportive of me leaving.
854
00:34:21,034 --> 00:34:22,482
- It was fun.
- So you had
a fun Thanksgiving?
855
00:34:22,482 --> 00:34:23,586
- Yeah, it was fun.
- And Ysabel,
856
00:34:23,586 --> 00:34:24,482
how's Ysabel doing?
857
00:34:24,482 --> 00:34:25,482
- Good.
- Is she okay?
858
00:34:25,482 --> 00:34:26,586
- Yeah. She is.
- Okay, good.
859
00:34:26,586 --> 00:34:28,586
She calls me like
she misses me
so bad sometimes--
860
00:34:28,586 --> 00:34:31,137
I think she's...
I think she's struggling
861
00:34:31,137 --> 00:34:32,689
that first semester
in college.
862
00:34:32,689 --> 00:34:34,793
Even Logan
who lived in Las Vegas
863
00:34:34,793 --> 00:34:36,482
was like, "I'm gonna drop out
and come home, Mom."
864
00:34:36,482 --> 00:34:39,689
They all have that
that first semester.
865
00:34:39,689 --> 00:34:40,793
There's some discussion
about--
866
00:34:40,793 --> 00:34:41,896
Are you talking about
next year
867
00:34:41,896 --> 00:34:42,758
going to Maddie's again?
868
00:34:42,758 --> 00:34:43,793
See, I don't know.
869
00:34:45,379 --> 00:34:47,344
I know everything's
really separate right now,
870
00:34:47,344 --> 00:34:49,241
but it can't stay that way,
871
00:34:49,241 --> 00:34:50,965
- right?
- Yeah, I don't know.
872
00:34:50,965 --> 00:34:52,551
- Really?
- I have no idea.
873
00:34:55,586 --> 00:34:56,758
Like, I just don't even know.
874
00:34:58,689 --> 00:35:01,103
So I just am
taking it day by day.
875
00:35:02,379 --> 00:35:06,034
It's really just about,
I need respect.
876
00:35:08,241 --> 00:35:09,482
Like Kody saying this?
877
00:35:09,482 --> 00:35:10,896
Yeah.
878
00:35:10,896 --> 00:35:13,034
You know, Kody always was
a really engaged father.
879
00:35:13,034 --> 00:35:16,172
It's one of the things
I admired the most about him.
880
00:35:17,103 --> 00:35:19,000
When COVID happened,
881
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,793
the relationships
with my children,
882
00:35:20,793 --> 00:35:24,172
my boys especially
really broke down.
883
00:35:24,172 --> 00:35:26,000
And I think that kind of
opened the door
884
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,344
for some
of the older complaints
885
00:35:27,344 --> 00:35:29,344
to start coming up again.
886
00:35:29,344 --> 00:35:31,172
I'm sort of
stuck in the middle.
887
00:35:33,482 --> 00:35:36,965
My boys feel like there's
been a definite favoritism
888
00:35:36,965 --> 00:35:40,034
and preference
on time and energy
889
00:35:40,034 --> 00:35:42,034
poured into
the different households.
890
00:35:43,689 --> 00:35:45,379
I'm really frustrated
when people are talking
891
00:35:45,379 --> 00:35:47,137
like this happened
the past 25 years.
892
00:35:47,137 --> 00:35:49,379
I've always wanted
a relationship with my kids.
893
00:35:49,379 --> 00:35:51,241
As they grow older,
these relationships,
894
00:35:51,241 --> 00:35:52,586
they go both ways.
895
00:35:52,586 --> 00:35:54,758
During COVID, things shifted.
896
00:35:54,758 --> 00:35:56,344
I made it empirically clear
897
00:35:56,344 --> 00:35:58,172
that I did not need
the boys to apologize.
898
00:35:58,172 --> 00:36:01,586
I just need to communicate
with them and talk
899
00:36:01,586 --> 00:36:03,379
and sort of clear the air
of all these rumors
900
00:36:03,379 --> 00:36:04,379
going on in the family.
901
00:36:04,379 --> 00:36:06,689
I look at Kody and I think,
902
00:36:06,689 --> 00:36:09,862
"Come on, can you just have
a little bit of compassion?"
903
00:36:09,862 --> 00:36:12,827
You know, don't draw
such a hard line.
904
00:36:14,379 --> 00:36:15,965
So I'm not optimistic.
905
00:36:18,172 --> 00:36:19,482
Everything's still
separate then.
906
00:36:19,482 --> 00:36:20,379
Mmm-hmm.
907
00:36:20,379 --> 00:36:21,586
And I think everyone...
The kids
908
00:36:21,586 --> 00:36:22,965
are just kind of tired
of pretending
909
00:36:22,965 --> 00:36:24,586
that everything's okay.
910
00:36:24,586 --> 00:36:26,034
I don't think it's one-sided.
911
00:36:26,034 --> 00:36:27,689
- It's not one-sided.
- There's no one bad guy here.
912
00:36:27,689 --> 00:36:29,344
- Nope. No.
- I just think this maybe
913
00:36:29,344 --> 00:36:30,862
goes back to
when we blended families.
914
00:36:30,862 --> 00:36:32,793
We somehow missed something.
915
00:36:32,793 --> 00:36:34,482
Blending a family is hard work
916
00:36:34,482 --> 00:36:36,379
and here we are,
we have a plural family
917
00:36:36,379 --> 00:36:37,689
so it's even harder
918
00:36:37,689 --> 00:36:39,206
'cause of all
the different dynamics.
919
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,551
My children remember
a lot of hurts.
920
00:36:45,482 --> 00:36:47,482
I know that
they tried very hard
921
00:36:47,482 --> 00:36:48,896
to integrate everybody,
922
00:36:48,896 --> 00:36:51,551
but maybe there were
always cracks.
923
00:36:59,275 --> 00:37:01,172
Now it's all blown apart.
924
00:37:03,275 --> 00:37:05,689
When a new wife
joins the family,
925
00:37:05,689 --> 00:37:09,275
you go through this process
of adjusting.
926
00:37:09,275 --> 00:37:11,034
There were some people
that were willing
927
00:37:11,034 --> 00:37:13,482
to make the adjustments
and were welcoming
928
00:37:13,482 --> 00:37:15,965
and then there was a lot
that weren't.
929
00:37:16,793 --> 00:37:18,344
When Robyn came in,
the family,
930
00:37:18,344 --> 00:37:20,172
the only people
who welcomed her warmly
931
00:37:20,172 --> 00:37:22,034
was just me and Meri.
932
00:37:22,034 --> 00:37:23,793
Mykelti has been talking a lot
933
00:37:23,793 --> 00:37:26,103
to Robyn's kids and Robyn
934
00:37:26,103 --> 00:37:29,034
and they've just expressed
a lot of frustration
935
00:37:29,034 --> 00:37:31,344
over when the family's
blended, how they felt.
936
00:37:31,344 --> 00:37:34,413
It's all really unfortunately
more messy than I thought.
937
00:37:35,034 --> 00:37:36,551
And it is really sad.
938
00:37:37,896 --> 00:37:39,379
There's gotta be
some sort of a joke
939
00:37:39,379 --> 00:37:40,482
about how many sister wives
940
00:37:40,482 --> 00:37:41,689
- Yeah.
- does it take
to assemble a tree.
941
00:37:41,689 --> 00:37:43,172
Could you see how
there's that little notch?
942
00:37:43,172 --> 00:37:45,241
- Yeah.
- And there's a little thing.
943
00:37:45,241 --> 00:37:46,103
- Ready?
- Okay.
944
00:37:46,103 --> 00:37:46,965
Watch this magic.
945
00:37:48,034 --> 00:37:50,482
Oh.
946
00:37:50,482 --> 00:37:51,689
Here we go. Okay.
947
00:37:51,689 --> 00:37:53,000
- All right.
- So it's harder to line up
than you think.
948
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:53,689
It's... It is.
949
00:37:53,689 --> 00:37:54,586
- Let's cut this off now.
- Okay.
950
00:37:54,586 --> 00:37:55,586
- Where's your...
- Here.
951
00:37:55,586 --> 00:37:56,896
It's very, very small.
952
00:37:56,896 --> 00:37:59,103
It's just a cute little tree.
953
00:37:59,103 --> 00:38:01,241
So let's see
if the couch fits.
954
00:38:01,241 --> 00:38:02,482
Sure.
955
00:38:02,482 --> 00:38:04,241
Christmas trees
are a fun thing.
956
00:38:04,241 --> 00:38:05,379
They're a happy thing
957
00:38:05,379 --> 00:38:07,034
and I get to change the color.
958
00:38:07,034 --> 00:38:08,793
Technology is a amazing thing.
959
00:38:08,793 --> 00:38:10,379
The tree is great there.
I love it.
960
00:38:10,379 --> 00:38:11,586
And the dog beds can be--
961
00:38:11,586 --> 00:38:13,241
The dog beds are there
and they're cozy.
962
00:38:13,241 --> 00:38:14,965
- I don't know where
the dog beds usually go.
- Yeah.
963
00:38:14,965 --> 00:38:17,896
I don't either, but 'cause
they usually sleep on the...
964
00:38:17,896 --> 00:38:20,896
They sit on the couch
unless Kody's here.
965
00:38:20,896 --> 00:38:23,241
We have kind of different
rules when Kody's here.
966
00:38:23,241 --> 00:38:25,793
The dogs aren't
on the couches.
967
00:38:25,793 --> 00:38:27,793
When Kody wasn't over,
968
00:38:27,793 --> 00:38:29,137
oh, we play,
969
00:38:29,137 --> 00:38:30,241
we play like crazy.
970
00:38:30,241 --> 00:38:31,344
We'd have popcorn for dinner
971
00:38:31,344 --> 00:38:33,172
sometimes for goodness sakes.
972
00:38:33,172 --> 00:38:34,586
There's so many things
we always do different
973
00:38:34,586 --> 00:38:37,379
when Kody wasn't around
versus when he was there.
974
00:38:37,379 --> 00:38:38,758
It was really funny.
975
00:38:38,758 --> 00:38:40,482
We go to bed later
when he's not there.
976
00:38:42,172 --> 00:38:44,862
It's kind of a fun
perk of polygamy.
977
00:38:44,862 --> 00:38:46,793
It was like either
just the two of us
978
00:38:46,793 --> 00:38:47,793
or the three of us.
979
00:38:47,793 --> 00:38:49,172
We would just go to a movie
980
00:38:49,172 --> 00:38:50,586
or go to dinner or something,
981
00:38:50,586 --> 00:38:53,586
you know, just make it
pretty simple and basic.
982
00:38:53,586 --> 00:38:54,586
I do wanna ask,
and I don't know
983
00:38:54,586 --> 00:38:56,172
if it's too personal
or anything like that,
984
00:38:56,172 --> 00:38:57,448
but...
985
00:38:59,034 --> 00:39:00,137
you and Kody are fine then?
986
00:39:00,137 --> 00:39:01,034
You and Kody are good
987
00:39:01,034 --> 00:39:02,034
as far as your
relationship goes 'cause--
988
00:39:02,034 --> 00:39:04,241
No, we're... We have to...
989
00:39:04,241 --> 00:39:06,000
I think what's happened
is the kids,
990
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,000
like when everybody moved out,
991
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,586
I think it was just kind of
one of those things
992
00:39:09,586 --> 00:39:10,689
where all of a sudden,
we're like,
993
00:39:10,689 --> 00:39:12,482
oh, I don't know.
994
00:39:12,482 --> 00:39:14,413
How do we do this,
just the two of us?
995
00:39:15,034 --> 00:39:16,137
I don't know what to do.
996
00:39:16,137 --> 00:39:18,379
We're both sort of like,
okay, did we...
997
00:39:18,379 --> 00:39:20,275
Do we keep working for this?
Do we...
998
00:39:20,275 --> 00:39:22,793
What... Keep working
with this, what do you mean?
999
00:39:22,793 --> 00:39:25,034
Like, I don't know.
Like, I mean, I don't know.
1000
00:39:25,034 --> 00:39:26,482
He seems so set
1001
00:39:26,482 --> 00:39:28,689
about the kids respecting him
1002
00:39:28,689 --> 00:39:31,034
and my kids are like, "What?"
1003
00:39:31,034 --> 00:39:33,000
I'm not gonna sit here
and try to put together
1004
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,896
this relationship
post children leaving
1005
00:39:35,896 --> 00:39:37,379
when there's not
a whole lot in common.
1006
00:39:37,379 --> 00:39:39,793
I don't even know
who this guy is anymore.
1007
00:39:39,793 --> 00:39:42,379
Like I just don't see that
it's really worth the work.
1008
00:39:42,379 --> 00:39:43,551
Everybody's angry.
1009
00:39:44,172 --> 00:39:46,000
Everybody's angry, right?
1010
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,379
Even in troubled times,
1011
00:39:47,379 --> 00:39:49,172
we still were able to get
together and put distance...
1012
00:39:49,172 --> 00:39:50,793
Like differences aside
and we're putting aside--
1013
00:39:50,793 --> 00:39:53,137
And now they're on this big...
They're beating this big drum.
1014
00:39:53,137 --> 00:39:54,793
We can no longer
sweep it under the rug.
1015
00:39:54,793 --> 00:39:56,000
I'm like, okay.
1016
00:39:56,689 --> 00:39:58,034
Now that Robyn and Kody
and the kids
1017
00:39:58,034 --> 00:39:59,379
have all had COVID,
1018
00:39:59,379 --> 00:40:01,379
and there's no longer
this need to separate
1019
00:40:01,379 --> 00:40:02,896
for fear of the disease.
1020
00:40:02,896 --> 00:40:05,413
We can't get together
until we sort this all out.
1021
00:40:06,103 --> 00:40:08,000
Now, that's their new drum.
1022
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,034
It's the new excuse
to keep everybody apart.
1023
00:40:11,034 --> 00:40:12,793
So there's a lot
of moving pieces
1024
00:40:12,793 --> 00:40:14,379
and there's a lot.
1025
00:40:14,379 --> 00:40:16,862
And I'm worried that
we're not gonna do the work
1026
00:40:16,862 --> 00:40:18,275
because everybody's so angry.
1027
00:40:18,275 --> 00:40:21,379
- Kody is so angry about this.
- Yeah.
1028
00:40:21,379 --> 00:40:25,586
He's getting...
angrier and angrier
1029
00:40:25,586 --> 00:40:27,034
and he is getting
sharper and sharper
1030
00:40:27,034 --> 00:40:29,241
and more black and white
with me
1031
00:40:29,241 --> 00:40:31,137
about these kids
need to respect me.
1032
00:40:31,137 --> 00:40:32,793
Ew, really?
1033
00:40:32,793 --> 00:40:34,034
It was just getting harder.
1034
00:40:34,034 --> 00:40:36,275
It's just...
It's just getting so hard,
1035
00:40:36,275 --> 00:40:38,379
like it's getting
really complicated.
1036
00:40:38,379 --> 00:40:40,482
- Ah, Janelle.
- So I don't know.
1037
00:40:40,482 --> 00:40:42,482
Like, I mean we're not...
We're not getting divorced.
1038
00:40:42,482 --> 00:40:43,379
We're not walking away.
1039
00:40:43,379 --> 00:40:45,448
But it's like I don't know
what to do.
1040
00:40:46,896 --> 00:40:48,413
So I don't know.
1041
00:40:50,241 --> 00:40:51,448
I'm so sorry.
1042
00:40:53,482 --> 00:40:54,793
You know, it's interesting
1043
00:40:54,793 --> 00:40:56,758
'cause there is a lot of...
1044
00:40:57,896 --> 00:41:01,137
unsettledness
in the rest of my life.
1045
00:41:01,137 --> 00:41:03,862
But, you know, with my
children and with Christine,
1046
00:41:03,862 --> 00:41:05,896
it seems to all be
kind of normal.
1047
00:41:05,896 --> 00:41:08,482
It's like... It's like stable.
1048
00:41:08,482 --> 00:41:09,793
It's how it always was.
1049
00:41:09,793 --> 00:41:11,551
- We'll see you later.
- All right. See ya.
1050
00:41:13,379 --> 00:41:15,103
It's heavy.
It feels really,
really heavy.
1051
00:41:15,103 --> 00:41:16,551
It's super great to see her.
1052
00:41:18,862 --> 00:41:21,689
And her and Kody, I didn't
think they were that bad.
1053
00:41:21,689 --> 00:41:23,000
Gosh,
1054
00:41:23,689 --> 00:41:25,275
things are pretty rough
right now.
1055
00:41:27,482 --> 00:41:29,034
With Kody at odds
with my children
1056
00:41:29,034 --> 00:41:31,482
and Kody and I
at odds in our relationship,
1057
00:41:31,482 --> 00:41:32,965
really kind of gave me a time
1058
00:41:32,965 --> 00:41:34,758
to kind of reflect
on what I needed
1059
00:41:34,758 --> 00:41:36,862
in my relationship
going forward with Kody.
1060
00:41:36,862 --> 00:41:39,034
Kody and I weren't
in that great a place
1061
00:41:39,034 --> 00:41:41,034
going into this situation.
1062
00:41:41,034 --> 00:41:43,103
And I don't know
what the future is
1063
00:41:43,103 --> 00:41:46,000
for Kody and I
really going forward.
1064
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,758
Can it be saved?
I have no idea.
1065
00:41:53,034 --> 00:41:55,103
Next time
on Sister Wives...
1066
00:41:55,103 --> 00:41:56,793
You have cheated me
1067
00:41:56,793 --> 00:41:58,586
out of my contact
with my family.
1068
00:41:58,586 --> 00:42:00,137
Kody, in the very beginning,
I kept--
1069
00:42:00,137 --> 00:42:02,344
No, no. No,
you make this excuse forever.
1070
00:42:02,344 --> 00:42:04,344
- But I've--
- Shut your [bleep] mouth
1071
00:42:04,344 --> 00:42:05,689
and let me talk to you
for a minute.
1072
00:42:05,689 --> 00:42:07,275
No, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no.
1073
00:42:07,275 --> 00:42:08,689
You won't...
You keep cutting me off.
1074
00:42:08,689 --> 00:42:09,793
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
1075
00:42:09,793 --> 00:42:11,379
I don't expect you
1076
00:42:11,379 --> 00:42:14,586
to try and help us
co-parent the kids.
1077
00:42:14,586 --> 00:42:16,241
Don't you dare
point your finger at me.
1078
00:42:16,241 --> 00:42:19,172
I've been here day long,
1079
00:42:19,172 --> 00:42:22,379
in and out for all these years
without your support.
1080
00:42:22,379 --> 00:42:25,379
- No. You stay and talk.
- No, I'm done
listening to you.
1081
00:42:25,379 --> 00:42:27,000
You stay and talk.
1082
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,034
No, I'm not going to
1083
00:42:29,034 --> 00:42:30,689
because you're not listening.
1084
00:42:30,689 --> 00:42:31,689
You're not listening to me.
1085
00:42:31,689 --> 00:42:33,034
And I'm not going to.
1086
00:42:33,034 --> 00:42:34,103
Okay. So we're done?
- Goodbye.
1087
00:42:34,103 --> 00:42:35,758
you.